// #eevblog — 2021-05-17
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00:27:42 <hsn> yes
00:28:53 <rust_collector> haha, you would think so
00:51:37 <hsn> no
00:54:41 <rust_collector> no, but yes
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01:32:05 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon!
01:32:58 <Ysjoelfir> My fellow collevtor... from the guy I will get the scopemobil from... he also has a KARU510. You think I should get that as well? https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/rhode-schwarz-karu-510/1736950555-168-4449
01:32:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
01:48:43 <rust_collector> you never know when you need one of those....
01:49:55 <Ysjoelfir> problem is.. I wouldn't know for what I would use that. I love the style of those old R&S stuff though
01:50:08 <rust_collector> not that I looked up specs, but the inside of that looks amazing
01:50:49 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.amplifier.cd/Test_Equipment/other/Karu.htm yeah, I love the old gear.
01:50:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Karu 510 Rohde & Schwarz C-Meßgerät
01:51:33 <rust_collector> worst case, you can convert it to a radio...
01:53:13 <Ysjoelfir> I could never do that :D I would feel bad sloughtering such a fine piece of history
01:53:35 <rust_collector> sure, but it looks like it has enough of the parts inside, to do that
01:53:52 <Ysjoelfir> that is vertainly true
01:54:11 <Ysjoelfir> *certainly
01:55:25 <rust_collector> and because I searched for the r&s thing... I get this: https://www.lilleliis.com/product/crochet-teddy-bear-november-2/
01:55:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - StackPath
01:56:11 <Ysjoelfir> errrrm.
01:56:17 <Ysjoelfir> that looks kinda creepy
01:56:27 <Ysjoelfir> but also kind of cute
01:57:47 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.lilleliis.com/product/simple-easter-bunny/ awww. that looks cute
01:57:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - StackPath
01:57:58 <rust_collector> kid #2 is making carrot cake
01:58:17 <Ysjoelfir> nice!
01:58:20 <rust_collector> very pokemon
02:04:20 <rust_collector> maybe we should get lemon interested in model trains. that is also a very expensive and not very useful hobby
02:09:59 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/ly4D3Nf.png
02:10:28 <steve30> lol
02:10:53 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, that is very true. lets try that.
02:10:58 <Ysjoelfir> also: lol :D
02:17:46 * rust_collector going outside, to see if he can find the old coal grill
02:18:11 <rust_collector> because i think we have one
02:36:43 * Ysjoelfir doners instead
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02:41:42 <Watcher> Hello
02:41:44 <EEVBot> Hello, Watcher!
03:03:47 <Ysjoelfir> https://odysee.com/@TimTruth:b/Magneticvaxinjectionsitecompilation-1:b
03:03:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - NEW Compilation Of Magnets Sticking To Vaccinated People's Arms: #MagnetChallenge + Covid19 Vaccine
03:04:01 <Ysjoelfir> I am not sure what I think about that
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03:08:53 <Watcher> from 0:30 to 1:00 they rotate the magnet form + to - that is not possible to stick on the arm that way
03:10:55 <Watcher> and the girl from 1:50 put it on 2 different places when it sticks
03:11:32 <Watcher> and the gape between the places is bigger then by the previous poeple
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03:23:40 <Ysjoelfir> jep. that its total bullshit I knew before. I meant that I wonder why people spread such shit
03:29:00 <Watcher> i also don't now it. there is here on the public television a program that runs now a couple of weeks and i give that sort of poeple a voice (i a good sense) to explain there though without making a concloisin. i also not now exatcly how to think about this all.
03:35:33 <Watcher> for the one side i don't get why the orginial persons that came with the story spread it. (I can think from a person like Alex Jones just for the money.) and from the other side i think it is good that there is a small amount of this sort of poeplto spread misinformation to let the other people (mostly sciensitists and journalists) to by more alert
03:35:33 <Watcher> to think critical and not think that every thing is the truth. but the al lot of this sort poeple are not the best educated poeple (wat i can see on tv) so it can be dangerous for this can of poeple. so i don't now how to think about this
03:42:46 <Ysjoelfir> I think the low education part is crucial here
03:43:57 <Watcher> Ysjoelfir: you can test if it is possible to pick a random chips out of your drawer and a magnet from your fridge and check if it will stick and hang on it. if it is not possible to stick on that large of a chip ( i thinmk a asic) then how would it be possible to to this in a mach smaller form factor
03:46:11 <Ysjoelfir> Exactly that
03:46:32 <Watcher> and will it stick on your asic?
03:47:00 <Ysjoelfir> you know, I have a chip in my hand. its not magnetic at all. I had to try to proove to my father in law, who showed me this nonsense video, that we don't get injected any micro robots
03:47:32 <Ysjoelfir> I even used a pretty big neodidlium magnet. nothing. didn't even feel the thing move
03:47:52 <DHess_US> Bah, no COVID vaccinations available, as usual.
03:48:20 <Ysjoelfir> I am registered for one, but haven't even got an appointment, DHess_US.. so the same here in germanistan as well
03:51:00 <DHess_US> Ysjoelfir, we have jumped the shark, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFNHZ8POkqA
03:51:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: DeBlasio moans while eating burger to bribe New Yorkers to get vaccine.
03:51:21 <Ysjoelfir> o.o
03:54:11 <Watcher> and one of the 2 article a read after you sending the video. write about MRI scans. so that will prove also that there will no magnetic particles in the vaccine. than will no one be able to get a MRI scan.
03:55:27 <Ysjoelfir> exactly. its just so stupid, I can't realy get how anybody that has some basic understanding of.... anything actually, can believe that
03:55:34 <rust_collector> that should save so much money
03:56:02 <Watcher> but i don't now how they 'faked' it
03:56:21 <DHess_US> In the US it has to do with government institutions being caught lying to the population, like Fauci's statement about masks not being needed at the start of the epidemic here.
03:56:48 <DHess_US> So there is a widespread general distrust in government, backed up by history.
03:57:43 <Watcher> and the same theory's are copied here with the names from or government poeple
03:57:49 <DHess_US> Do I need to link the Fauci lying thing? He had a good reason, but then he disavowed it.
03:58:13 * electrohead bops in
03:58:43 <Watcher> yes DHess_US
03:59:10 <Ysjoelfir> DHess_US, no, I know which one you mean. but imho its a difference to be sceptical in general, which is totally fine, and believing that bill gates is the head of a worldwide conspiracy, having developed nanorobots that are injected by all countries to take over the world
04:05:35 <DHess_US> Watcher, sec, youtube hid or removed the video
04:06:17 <Watcher> DHess_US: i do not understead your message
04:06:58 <DHess_US> This article covers what he did, https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/faucis-noble-lies-catch-up-to-him
04:06:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - ERROR: The request could not be satisfied
04:07:10 <DHess_US> "Fauci acknowledged that he knowingly misled the public because the experts “were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply.” "
04:07:46 <DHess_US> Which is a fancy way to understate, "Lied to 350 million citizens."
04:08:43 <DHess_US> Video where he admits it to congress, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqex07kJhzU
04:08:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Fauci gets upset with GOP lawmaker's question about masks
04:09:39 <DHess_US> I contrast what he did and how he handled it to Oliver North standing before Congress and owning up to exactly what he did.
04:11:17 <Watcher> i have favorite it will read i later
04:13:01 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/1308gj6
04:13:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - prnt.sc | 520: Web server is returning an unknown error
04:15:29 <electrohead> https://www.engineering.columbia.edu/press-releases/shepard-injectable-chips-monitor-body-processes
04:15:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Tiny, Wireless, Injectable Chips Use Ultrasound to Monitor Body Processes | Columbia Engineering
04:30:37 <Watcher> bye bye
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04:35:16 <rust_collector> baj baj
04:37:36 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir did you see more than a little bit into this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjktqhr_SYc
04:37:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Candied Walnuts - You Suck at Cooking (episode 83)
04:42:29 <rust_collector> and I thought I remembered that macaroni expands a bit when you cook it
04:43:28 * electrohead expands rust_collector
04:49:41 * rust_collector takes up a lot of space
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05:52:22 <Ysjoelfir> heh, thats a nice one :P
05:52:55 <rust_collector> and with a snack!
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06:30:44 <Lemon> I want to get those, as I only have jumper cables (makes a mess once you have 20-30 on the breadboard) https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B08PF2W1RF/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A2VVJH0GDTQGH8&psc=1
06:30:45 <EEVBot> [Title] -
06:30:58 <Lemon> this type is usualy fine ?
06:32:14 <Ysjoelfir> I love those. makes a neaterbreadboarding: http://pditest.pdi.engineering/img/references/nice-breadboard.jpg
06:32:56 <Lemon> ok perfect ! thats a nice breadboard you got there, I also thought about buying/making something similar
06:34:03 <Ysjoelfir> the twin industries breadboards are the OEM version of the freakishly expensive 3M breadboards. uppr quality imho
06:34:30 <Lemon> lemme check
06:35:06 <Lemon> because I have like 1-2 that are super nice (fathers stuff) but the one I bought are horrible, super stiff
06:35:16 <Lemon> I thought they need breakin but no
06:36:03 <Lemon> you bought them on a particular website or directly from manufacturer ?
06:36:50 <Ysjoelfir> digikey
06:39:03 <Lemon> hmmm theres no custom fees with digikey ?
06:39:26 <Ysjoelfir> oh sure there is
06:39:45 <Ysjoelfir> but they calculate it for you and you pay up front
06:40:44 <Lemon> hmm ok good then
06:40:56 <Lemon> because here you pay 25 euros just for "papers" as they say
06:41:05 <Lemon> even if you have 10 cents of tax to pay
06:41:42 <rust_collector> https://no.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Twin-Industries/TW-E41-1060?qs=TqtMe0HCz7fLytKTc4yikw%3D%3D
06:41:52 <rust_collector> not a horrible price for that
06:42:56 <rust_collector> the plain ones, not on a plate is not bad at all
06:43:36 <Lemon> yes I will buy one I think, im tired of mine
06:43:42 <Lemon> and those stupid jumper wires
06:43:46 <Lemon> lets find it on digikey
06:44:15 <Lemon> https://www.digikey.fr/product-detail/fr/twin-industries/TW-E41-T2/438-1140-ND/5119058
06:44:25 <Lemon> seems to be what Ysjoelfir got, with that terminal, perfect
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06:45:18 <Ysjoelfir> the idea of lemon buying more stuff killed the bot, electrohead
06:46:39 <Lemon> lol yes
06:46:46 <Lemon> im going all in this month
06:46:51 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon
06:46:56 <Ampera> hullo
06:47:07 <Lemon> im tired of shitty stuff I have to deal with, I have some hobby cash and I want to use it
06:47:12 <Lemon> hellu
06:47:48 <Ampera> how are you doing Lemon
06:48:01 <Lemon> alrighty, and you ?
06:48:35 <rust_collector> Lemon Is buying stuff... you know how this works
06:49:06 <Ampera> tired
06:49:08 <Ampera> hot
06:49:31 <Lemon> price is without taxes on digikey I think ?
06:49:36 <Lemon> you get the surprise at the end
06:49:51 <rust_collector> sure.
06:49:55 <Ysjoelfir> yep
06:50:04 <Lemon> but they say the duty pre paid stuff is only for enterprises
06:50:09 <Lemon> that got a valid tva number
06:50:18 <rust_collector> be an enterprise
06:50:22 <Ysjoelfir> I don't have any
06:50:28 <Lemon> hmmmm
06:50:40 <Ysjoelfir> (as its not neccessary in germanistan)
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06:50:49 <rust_collector> well, just buy the damn thing, you need one of those
06:50:53 <Ysjoelfir> ((as long as you stay under a certain amount per year))
06:51:39 <Lemon> hmmmmmm
06:51:48 <Lemon> I just want to be sure to avoid those 25 euros
06:51:49 <rust_collector> have you started writing stuff in lisp, Ysjoelfir?
06:51:51 <Lemon> that would be dumb
06:51:59 <Ysjoelfir> no, why?
06:52:19 <rust_collector> all the ((())()) things
06:53:15 <rust_collector> looks like lisp to me...
06:53:59 <Ysjoelfir> is that so? :D then.. no. I don't. :P
06:54:52 <rust_collector> CL-USER> (defun hello ()
06:54:52 <rust_collector> (format t "Hello, World!~%"))
06:55:06 <rust_collector> you know... nerdy stuff
06:56:02 <Ysjoelfir> ew, nerds
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06:57:28 <rust_collector> this is maybe a better example CL-USER> (+ 5.3 (- 3 2) (* 2 2))
06:57:29 <rust_collector> 10.3
06:58:10 <electrohead> bot is back up
06:58:27 <electrohead> EEVBot: give handjob to Ampera
06:58:27 * EEVBot furiously jerks Ampera off until their bush catches fire
06:58:33 <electrohead> >.>
06:58:49 <Lemon> ok I need to spend 12 euros more to avoid the 18 euros shipping lol
06:59:02 <rust_collector> buy 2
06:59:02 * Ampera takes away electrohead's programming privileges
06:59:08 <Ysjoelfir> that looks nasty, rusty :D
06:59:11 <Ysjoelfir> lol electrohead
06:59:36 <electrohead> lmfao
06:59:40 <Lemon> one will be fine, another pack of jumpers is 5 euros, 12 euros left
07:00:23 <rust_collector> a mini power thing, for the breadboard?
07:00:50 <Lemon> well I will use my lab supplies for that
07:00:55 <Lemon> I could get somec omponents
07:01:04 <rust_collector> nah, who needs that...
07:02:15 <rust_collector> maybe you need a pll thing, and some timing thing-stuffs?
07:02:47 <rust_collector> so you can make a clock, and divide and multiply and....stuff
07:03:29 <Lemon> oof I really know nothing in that area
07:03:42 <rust_collector> that could be the point, I guess
07:06:02 <steve30> eevbot help
07:06:44 <steve30> eevbot fart
07:06:44 * EEVBot unleashes the demons upon everyone
07:06:58 * Ysjoelfir dies instantly
07:07:54 <Lemon> how is sparkfun as a brand for wire ?
07:08:06 <Lemon> I need a few spool of wire, mine are running out
07:08:17 <Lemon> even the box of salvaged wire is runinng out lol
07:09:30 <Lemon> https://www.digikey.fr/product-detail/fr/sparkfun-electronics/PRT-11375/1568-1358-ND/5956252
07:09:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - Site Connectivity Issues
07:10:35 <steve30> i'm guessing its just bog standard wire, probably nothing special
07:10:56 <Ysjoelfir> most certainly.
07:11:18 <Ysjoelfir> I had the impression that sparkfun labeled stuff tends to be most of the time just more expensive than its neccessary
07:11:19 <rust_collector> as long as it is not "special" it will be ok
07:11:47 <rust_collector> me too. they do just relabel stuff, I think, so...
07:11:53 <steve30> You pay more for extra fun
07:12:01 <Lemon> well its the cheapest
07:12:04 <Lemon> here, at least
07:14:14 <coppice> hook up wire? is this for casual bondage dates?
07:23:09 <electrohead> sounds like it lol
07:36:05 <Lemon> anyone got experience with those cheapo SOIC test clips ? https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001274868370.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.49cb758fr60tMs&algo_pvid=null&algo_expid=null&btsid=0b0a187b16212008989984791e7ee0&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
07:36:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Pince de Test de programmeur SOP8 SOP16 SOP SOIC 8 SOIC 16 SOIC8 SOIC16 SOIC8 DIP16 DIP 8 broches DIP 16 broches IC pince de Test sans câble | AliExpress
07:36:08 <Lemon> or similar stuff
07:36:35 <Lemon> I saw a kit from big brands but price was saddening me, so I looked up on my favourite cheapo website
07:36:53 <Lemon> and well for a buck or two, im will to take those, it can be handy (like for that freaking adc board)
07:37:17 <rust_collector> hmm, I need one of those...
07:37:53 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
07:38:58 <Lemon> cheapo ones look fine
07:44:07 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32951465926.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.63886fd64ySpbd&algo_pvid=0e48d297-fd2d-40d5-8267-624014c92733&algo_expid=0e48d297-fd2d-40d5-8267-624014c92733-3&btsid=0b0a187b16212013467344828e7ee0&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
07:44:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Micro pince à puce IC, 10 broches de test, puce IC, SOP/SOIC/TSOP/TSOP/SSOP/PLCC/QFP/TQFP/LQFP/SMD, prise adaptateur | AliExpress
07:44:10 <Lemon> this is also quite nice
07:49:47 <Lemon> im just concerned about the metal tip
07:50:01 <Lemon> it would be better if it was in plastic (less sturdy but insulated)
07:59:54 <MrMobodies> I have a question I never asked before
08:00:07 <MrMobodies> does anyone hear audio all the time that they heard before
08:00:23 <MrMobodies> the last thing heard
08:00:41 <MrMobodies> be it someone's voice on television/ radio and music
08:02:20 <rust_collector> uhm, I am not sure I get what you mean?
08:03:17 <MrMobodies> if someone plays plays a tune or talks, I remember it and it would go in circles
08:03:55 <MrMobodies> I might not know what they mean as I don't often understand words
08:04:12 <MrMobodies> I would remember the voice, and instruments and other details
08:04:54 <MrMobodies> it's like listing to audio but
08:04:58 <MrMobodies> nothing playing
08:05:12 <MrMobodies> like I am imagining it a little
08:05:25 <rust_collector> so, you keep looping the last thing you heard?
08:05:27 <MrMobodies> and parts would go around and around and
08:05:29 <MrMobodies> yes
08:05:38 <MrMobodies> always had that
08:05:39 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 all
08:05:44 <MrMobodies> oh night
08:06:05 <rust_collector> hmm, not sure. I guess I can get a song stuck in my head, but not very often.
08:06:12 <rust_collector> night
08:06:39 <rust_collector> I guess that makes me hear it, even if there is no sound
08:07:10 <MrMobodies> I found this and been going for a week
08:07:32 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpDX5HvC45s
08:07:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Come Back and Stay
08:07:45 <MrMobodies> I don't remember the words, just the sounds of the voice
08:07:48 <MrMobodies> and instruments
08:08:26 <rust_collector> oh, well, you could hear worse things than that, lol
08:08:52 <MrMobodies> reminds me of a garden near a church with a spire, with no grass but bright orange tiles,
08:08:59 <MrMobodies> on a cloudy evening
08:09:25 <MrMobodies> I wonder if there is a name for this looping of audio
08:09:43 <rust_collector> probably
08:09:51 <rust_collector> they like putting names on things
08:10:03 <MrMobodies> audio that ain't there but is kind of visualised
08:10:51 <rust_collector> I guess it stayed for good this time
08:11:06 <MrMobodies> aaah
08:11:08 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echoic_memory
08:11:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Echoic memory - Wikipedia
08:12:37 <rust_collector> that is interesting
08:12:48 <MrMobodies> aaah another one which seems to match
08:12:49 <MrMobodies> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music-related_memory
08:12:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Music-related memory - Wikipedia
08:13:25 <T3sl4> https://imgur.com/gallery/BVDRzMv steve30 Halcyon
08:13:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - It's just so fluffy - Album on Imgur
08:13:29 <MrMobodies> maybe they are kind of related
08:13:38 <MrMobodies> with the other name
08:14:01 <MrMobodies> that looked a bit like a floor mat to me at first
08:14:36 <MrMobodies> and it looking so comfortable like it is having the time of it's life.
08:14:39 <steve30> meow
08:21:11 <hsn> Do not meow me mister
08:21:50 <MrMobodies> I brought a N281g Aspire for about £30 delivered, put in a 1tb Seagate 7200 rpm drive and it uses 14w of power
08:22:02 <MrMobodies> it is for someone who has high electricity bills
08:22:37 <MrMobodies> I have Acer 3600 which is similar but older that I was about give them but that uses about 35w and it gets very hot
08:22:55 <MrMobodies> I have noticed that file transfer don't take up any cpu time on it
08:23:10 <MrMobodies> this N281g it takes a lot up
08:23:30 <MrMobodies> N281g - Realtek 3600 - Nvidia
08:23:48 <MrMobodies> it seems the Nvidia does the offloading a lot better despite it being 3 years older
08:24:14 <MrMobodies> not very very pleased about that
08:24:26 <MrMobodies> but it does do over 100 megabytes a second
08:24:46 <MrMobodies> but offloading seems crap on the Realtek
08:25:54 <MrMobodies> oh it also came with Windows 10 2gb (increased to 4gb) with a WD blue, which took 10 minutes to bootup
08:26:05 <MrMobodies> not having that crap on it for what it is going to be doing
08:26:29 <MrMobodies> just going to use to monitor stuff and a bit of storage
08:26:57 <MrMobodies> Hopefully he can't refuse at 14w an hour
08:27:27 <MrMobodies> his photocopier that he has to leave in all the time probably won't make a difference
08:28:13 <MrMobodies> anyone in here from Britain who has an Economy 24/7 tariff with their electric provider?
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08:58:41 * electrohead waves and offers beer
09:25:28 <Halcyon> Morninnnng
09:27:28 <steve30> hi
09:28:37 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
09:43:00 * Halcyon flips T3sl4 the bushtit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGVeLonL2SM
09:43:05 * steve30 has toast
09:43:13 <Halcyon> I had a ham and cheese croissant
09:43:16 * T3sl4 stares at Halcyon's tit
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09:53:24 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
10:04:40 <Halcyon> Brrr it's cold
10:07:18 <rust_collector> weather guy says it is not?
10:07:38 <rust_collector> I guess that is down in the city, but...
10:08:51 <rust_collector> you should go visit hsn. internet says it is 30 there
10:09:02 <Halcyon> Aw I miss 30
10:10:01 <rust_collector> up here, it is just cold enough that I am thinking about finding a pair of socks
10:10:44 <rust_collector> hmm, otoh, the wife came home today. she has been up north, and they could not drive, so had to get on a plane, because of snow
10:21:38 <Halcyon> My wrist hurts :(
10:21:54 <rust_collector> not going to comment on that
10:22:23 <Halcyon> Har har, it's my other wrist
10:22:32 <rust_collector> kinky
10:23:00 * electrohead rubs on Halcyon
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10:24:02 <Halcyon> :)
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10:35:05 <electrohead> sup n stuff?
10:35:09 * electrohead offers beer
10:35:32 <rust_collector> I think noodles, maybe
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10:57:30 <electrohead> T3sl4: https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/41951/500527/
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10:57:36 <electrohead> once again, drinking this
10:57:38 <electrohead> <3
10:57:53 <T3sl4> :)
10:57:54 <electrohead> Halcyon: how is the 'roo jerkey, compared to beef jerky?
10:58:06 <electrohead> T3sl4: can you get this stuff out your way?
10:58:11 <electrohead> if not, I'll have to send you some
10:59:48 <T3sl4> hmm, well their wholesalers list doesn't go over here
11:03:18 <T3sl4> strange, i don't seem to be finding any good way to look up who stocks/taps it
11:06:59 <T3sl4> actually, that is rather strange, $grocerystore doesn't have their liquor section online apparently
11:07:11 <T3sl4> i wonder if there's a legal reason for that??
11:23:28 <Halcyon> Sorry I was out
11:23:40 <Halcyon> Ummm... I prefer the roo, it's got a nicer flavour
11:25:44 <Halcyon> Also electrohead your's and T3sl4's beef jerky just arrived :D
11:25:58 <T3sl4> yey
11:26:11 <Halcyon> Just got to wait for the chilli sauces and roo jerky
11:26:14 <electrohead> :D
11:26:47 <electrohead> and I know exactly where the input/display panel is, for dave to tear down
11:26:49 <electrohead> :)
11:26:59 <electrohead> so I'll be sending you some stuff, soon
11:27:09 <Halcyon> YAY
11:27:35 <Halcyon> But yeh, roo jerky is much lower in fat and high in protein so healthy :P
11:27:51 <Halcyon> It is tougher than beef though, but I really like it.
11:28:40 <T3sl4> Halcyon loves jerking me for high protein content
11:28:46 <Halcyon> Hahaha
11:28:49 <T3sl4> or, he will once the package arrives i guess
11:29:07 <Halcyon> I just want my meat in and around your mouth T3sl4
11:29:09 <Halcyon> It's been long enough
11:29:19 <T3sl4> i'll lick your sauce
11:29:32 <Halcyon> I hope so
11:30:27 <electrohead> lol
11:30:28 <Halcyon> Also, T3sl4 and Ysjoelfir, since you guys like cooking: https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/slow-cooker-honey-mustard-chicken-recipe/9okkjv9g?r=dinner&h=Dinner
11:30:37 <Halcyon> I made that last night. Highly recommended!! It was very tasty
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11:30:54 <Halcyon> I used just normal chicken thighs however since I couldn't be bothered with cutlets
11:30:56 <T3sl4> mmm, chicken thighs
11:31:04 <T3sl4> ew, skinless?
11:31:12 <Halcyon> And I also added just a little bit of chilli flakes and served it with steamed rice
11:31:50 <Halcyon> I guess you could leave the skin on? I took it off and really gave the chicken a nice char
11:32:35 <T3sl4> but yeah, sounds good
11:32:36 <Halcyon> I also went with a full cup of chicken stock. I found it needed just a little bit more liquid.
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12:04:30 <Halcyon> T3sl4444444... entertain meeeee
12:04:32 <Halcyon> I'm bored
12:06:41 * T3sl4 does something mystifying
12:07:58 <DHess_US> Wow, I am mystified.
12:08:18 <DHess_US> What was the thing with the giraffe?
12:08:19 <T3sl4> good luck getting off this island, mwahaha
12:11:17 <Halcyon> Heh
12:11:21 <Halcyon> Speaking of islands
12:11:26 <Halcyon> I want to live on Myst island
12:11:29 <Halcyon> For reals
12:12:01 <T3sl4> triangles aren't so nutritious
12:12:08 <DHess_US> I hate when I start projects like this kit subwoofer, and I complete basically everything, and then realize that I still have just as much more work to do because I am going to make improvements.
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12:13:01 <T3sl4> ...has no one constructed much of Myst by now? maybe it's not so popular anymore, though those kinds of things are easier to make these days (3d printing etc?)
12:13:19 <Halcyon> *shrug*
12:13:34 <Halcyon> I just remember thinking as a kid, I'd love to live on the island from the game
12:13:36 <Halcyon> Still do
12:13:37 <DHess_US> I found something I would actually use a 3D printer for.
12:13:42 <Halcyon> It has nice scenery and buildings
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12:14:54 <T3sl4> i see VR hits, but nothing about physical
12:15:26 <Halcyon> If I had millions and millions of dollars, I'd build Myst
12:15:34 <Halcyon> You can buy islands here for fairly cheap
12:15:37 <DHess_US> After I watched this video, I had a dream about designing the best cross section for a 3D printed beam, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEf6ARdVC64
12:15:38 <T3sl4> ah, https://www.reddit.com/r/myst/comments/euphvh/has_anyone_built_a_real_life_11_scale_myst_island/
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12:17:19 <T3sl4> DHess_US: hmm, at a glance, mostly hollow sections with wire reinforcement (tensioned? i didn't see)
12:18:00 <DHess_US> T3sl4, the best strength to weight for a beam is well known but the triangular shape is not aerodynamic.
12:18:29 <DHess_US> And you can't just print a tube with bulkheads because the printers do not do overhang well.
12:18:59 <DHess_US> Or if you use bulkheads, the bulkhead part has to be the first part printed against the bed.
12:19:12 <T3sl4> triangular, you mean trusses?
12:19:37 <DHess_US> No, but what I came up with was the truss version of a tube.
12:20:08 <T3sl4> or if you print it flat i suppose the bulkheads could be vertical while the skin/flange/whatever is on the bed, or supported
12:20:24 <T3sl4> so, macronanotube?
12:22:03 <DHess_US> This is the strongest shape, https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcReH4nme8XRbV46wfwEHtgjDmV2uC0LuDJ4sA&usqp=CAU
12:22:16 <DHess_US> But it narrows at the ends.
12:22:52 <T3sl4> narrows, as in to a mounting point, for specific loading (axial or bending)?
12:23:25 <DHess_US> Narrows because maximum strength isn't required at the ends so material can be saved.
12:23:34 <DHess_US> Failure is in buckling toward the center.
12:23:40 <T3sl4> so, axial loading then. yeah
12:23:47 <DHess_US> So material is removed from the ends and placed toward the center.
12:24:17 <DHess_US> Nobody bothers to do that usually because it is more complicated, but in an aircraft, it could matter.
12:24:30 <T3sl4> as opposed to torsion, which would be... well, maybe it's not uniform still, but the ends wouldn't be too much smaller else they'd be too flexible
12:24:46 <DHess_US> For torsion you would use a different shape
12:24:52 <T3sl4> or a cantilever which needs a rigid mount for the same reason, and you end up with gussets or something for the mount
12:25:11 <T3sl4> anyway, i think i've seen tube reinforced with a hexagonal space frame inside it or something like that?
12:25:15 <DHess_US> Or use that shape in a truss with a design for torsion.
12:25:40 <DHess_US> A little like that but the 3d printer can't make every side of the hexagon.
12:25:53 <T3sl4> between that, and some kind of webbing to increase stiffness of the skin itself, like the honeycomb aerospace likes to use, or the milled pockets they use on rocket cylinders
12:26:16 <DHess_US> So instead, print concentric tubes, and then have a truss printed at 45 degrees between them.
12:26:31 <T3sl4> ah, in/circum-scribed
12:26:56 <DHess_US> It's like you took a slice of a standard truss, and then rotated it around an axis.
12:27:09 <DHess_US> It isn't the best shape, but it is 3D printable.
12:28:20 <T3sl4> hm, i'm not seeing it. what slice, what rotation axis?
12:28:27 <DHess_US> Of course the 3D printer can print wing sections with bulkheads as they show in that video.
12:28:46 <DHess_US> slice lengthwise at any angle, and you see the cross section of a truss.
12:29:38 <DHess_US> The center is conveniently hollow.
12:30:58 <DHess_US> I was thinking of it as a lightweight aerodynamic strut for maybe a tiltrotor design, but the idea could work for wing sections also.
12:31:16 <T3sl4> sliced between two main lengthwise rods, you just get the cross section of any old triangular truss
12:31:38 <T3sl4> off angle, you get some of one rod, and some dots (faced off diagonals), i guess that's not what you mean
12:31:50 <DHess_US> Slice from end to end with any rotation, and the slice is a truss.
12:31:51 <T3sl4> or off both axis and angle, just the elliptical ends of the diagonals
12:32:41 <DHess_US> It looks like three concentric straws, but the middle one is ribbed and the ribs connect alternately with the outer and inner straws.
12:33:06 <T3sl4> hrm, more like, corrugated cardboard of helical revolution?
12:33:08 <DHess_US> Can't print it flat tough. :(
12:33:13 <DHess_US> yes
12:33:19 <T3sl4> oh
12:33:27 <T3sl4> the cross sections are pairs of trusses then
12:33:50 <DHess_US> Like if you took corrugated cardboard and folded it into a tube with the corrugations at right angles to the axis.
12:34:20 <DHess_US> Could also do it lengthwise which would be easier to print. I'm not sure which is better.
12:34:23 <T3sl4> except for sections outside the inner circle/ellipse, where it'll have some back and forth pattern i think
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12:34:49 <T3sl4> oh, or not helical i suppose too, although, would that be stiffer in torsion if so?
12:35:01 <DHess_US> Hmm, lengthwise would be weaker in torsion though.
12:35:11 <T3sl4> so a tradeoff can be made, that's useful
12:35:38 <T3sl4> although maybe you'd want to keep symmetry because there'd be some interconversion between the two modes, could have weird dynamics
12:35:42 <DHess_US> Anyway, it was just an idea I had after watching that video.
12:36:03 <T3sl4> and when you say unprintable you mean filament, right?
12:36:46 <DHess_US> No, these are printable, and yes.
12:37:03 <DHess_US> The point was to come up with a cross section which has no overhang more than 45 degrees.
12:37:39 <T3sl4> overhang?
12:37:42 <DHess_US> If you print a bulkhead, then there can only be one per part and it has to be printed against the bed.
12:37:59 <DHess_US> The printheads don't work well printing into air with nothing under them.
12:38:05 <T3sl4> oh right overhang for printing
12:39:59 <T3sl4> how about some kind of truncated archimedean spiral transitioning into a bulkhead?
12:40:12 <T3sl4> or just filling in a taper of support material i suppose
12:40:33 <T3sl4> still wasteful of weight, but maybe a compromise given print limitations
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12:54:40 <DHess_US> T3sl4, waste of material.
12:55:04 <DHess_US> The real question is how to keep a doubled walled tube from failing in buckling.
12:55:43 <DHess_US> Failure in buckling is related to length, which means it is also related to unsupported length.
12:55:57 <DHess_US> Which is why bulkheads work.
12:57:33 <DHess_US> Usually in mechanical engineering though the limit is stiffness and not strength. Once something is stiff enough, it will be strong enough.
12:58:07 <DHess_US> It is just that thin walled tubes love to fail in buckling.
12:59:44 <DHess_US> Anyway, got my subwoofer enclosure all glued together and ready to mount the speaker and port, but I'm going to cut some stiffeners to run along the inside corners.
13:05:44 <T3sl4> now there's a place you don't need to worry about weight
13:20:03 <coppice> just mount some big Cerwin Vega drive units in a wall
13:22:53 <DHess_US> Your whole house becomes the speaker! You move into the garage!
13:22:58 <DHess_US> Obscure?
13:23:27 <coppice> I think its more common to do it the other way around
13:27:37 <coppice> The are quite a few in wall sub-woofers available. I wonder how many the sell?
13:29:06 <DHess_US> Subwoofer in a wall seems like a very bad idea.
13:29:09 <DHess_US> No way to isolatedit.
13:29:14 <DHess_US> https://youtu.be/8oiEMeJpAaU?t=145
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13:30:23 <coppice> That's the whole point. You avoid back pressure on the cone
13:33:55 <DHess_US> That is what base reflex is for. Tune the port length to delay the rear sound by 360 degrees to add it to the front, which also lowers the impedance on the speaker so it does not more as far.
13:35:59 <coppice> A whole cycle delay at 20Hz is a heck of a port length
13:37:01 <coppice> things like bass reflex are a fudge, with some serious limitations
13:37:06 <DHess_US> There are tricks. Fill the enclosure with fiberglass or dacron or the fill of your choice to lower the speed of sound making the enclosure effectively larger.
13:37:49 <coppice> those things slow the sound, but also apply back pressure to the speaker, giving it that sock in cone sound
13:37:51 <DHess_US> Sure, it is a compromise, but when tuned correctly, the lower excursion of the base driver lowers intermodulation distortion.
13:38:40 <DHess_US> I won't be tuning mine until the day after tomorrow I think. I'll report the results.
13:39:01 <DHess_US> It won't be 20 Hz of course.
13:39:08 <coppice> How big a subwoofer are you making?
13:39:18 <DHess_US> And I wonder if it will be in tuning range at all, but I will see.
13:39:29 <DHess_US> It is small, only like 5 inch.
13:39:55 <coppice> If you can't reproduce the 13Hz from the lowest note of a cathedral organ, why bother? :)
13:40:23 <DHess_US> That is what Dr. Herman Horn would say. Did you listen to that link?
13:40:34 <DHess_US> I had forgotten how funny that is.
13:45:55 <DHess_US> sorry, 6.5 inch
13:46:39 <DHess_US> 35.7Hz resonant frequency
13:46:51 <coppice> I've known two people who build huge horn speakers into their (rather large) homes, using a huge underfloor space to load the horns
13:48:14 <DHess_US> Sealed cutoff is 80Hz, vented cutoff is 42Hz.
13:49:02 <DHess_US> The only difference in the design I'm making is that I'm tuning the port length after assembly by measurement.
13:50:02 <DHess_US> Otherwise you just have to guess.
13:50:53 <DHess_US> You can calculate it of course, but the calculations depend on other measurements.
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13:53:12 <Halcyon> That was a good nap
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14:17:56 <MrMobodies> Hello
14:18:50 <Halcyon> Hey MrMobodies
14:18:53 <MrMobodies> I want to run some tests later on with my sound card, and I need some listeners
14:18:58 <Halcyon> Sure
14:19:29 <MrMobodies> I got the streaming to work with Videolan
14:19:38 <MrMobodies> and I'll port forward it later
14:20:17 <MrMobodies> and the listner to identify how well they hear the background instruments with an equalizer and the Sound retrieval system
14:20:44 <Halcyon> Alrighty
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14:20:56 <MrMobodies> and if they want a particular tune I'll play it as long as it is in stereo
14:21:08 <MrMobodies> apparently mono cancels out the effect
14:21:29 <MrMobodies> Aanyway I got to go bed
14:21:33 <MrMobodies> did my washing for two weeks
14:21:46 <MrMobodies> no tissue this time so it went smoothly
14:21:48 <MrMobodies> night
14:21:50 <Halcyon> Hahah
14:21:51 <Halcyon> Night
14:25:07 <Halcyon> T3sl4...
14:25:18 <Halcyon> Are you a fan of chocolatey things?
14:25:22 <T3sl4> yes
14:25:27 <Halcyon> Okies
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14:54:35 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/ErpdIOJ.jpg
14:55:36 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBiafd3pdqo
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15:00:24 <electrohead> awe, that's cute
15:00:35 <electrohead> T3sl4: lol
15:01:31 <T3sl4> Halcyon, aww
15:01:53 <Halcyon> That roo-la is cute
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16:59:14 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
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17:00:24 <steve30> meow
17:01:00 <Halcyon> Moo
17:01:38 <steve30> I'm going back to bed
17:04:47 <Halcyon> Goodnight Steve
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17:57:08 <K> hello snails
17:57:18 <Ysjoelfir> morning dangernoodle
18:03:16 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
18:03:26 <Halcyon> Hello K, alfbaz
18:03:30 <Ysjoelfir> hey hulk
18:03:37 * Halcyon flexes
18:05:50 <Lemon> so I just woke up, and already spent money
18:05:55 <Lemon> its getting worse friends
18:06:04 <Halcyon> Were you ebaying in bed Lemon?
18:06:29 <Lemon> lol almost ! a guy answered me for a fluke 8800a on the french website, for 40 euros
18:06:38 <Halcyon> Is that good?
18:06:45 <Lemon> I know those meters got a nice reputation, I thought they were 4.5 digits but no, 5.5 in fact !
18:06:55 <Lemon> yeah I think, 45 delivered, its in great shape
18:07:01 <Halcyon> Sounds good to me
18:07:07 <Lemon> lets hope he will actually accept it because you know, frenchies and internet...
18:07:21 <Halcyon> I got a steam burn on the inside of my bicep :(
18:07:23 <Lemon> they say they accept paiement via the website, to tell you "I want only cheques"
18:07:31 <Lemon> awwww how so ??
18:07:50 <Halcyon> I stupidly reached over a boiling kettle
18:08:10 <Lemon> ha shit ! is it a big one ?
18:08:19 <Halcyon> Big enough. Bloody hurt
18:08:36 <Lemon> im sending you all my love !
18:08:53 <Halcyon> It melted the first layer of skin
18:09:26 <K> eew
18:10:14 <Halcyon> Yep, so once I picked that off, I ran it under cold water and now I have a non-stick pad taped to me
18:10:26 <Halcyon> The pain has dulled to a "sting"
18:10:46 <T3sl4> ouchies
18:10:57 <Lemon> yes I perfectly see, its annoying ;/
18:11:25 <T3sl4> maybe you should save that chocolate for yourself, you'll need it the next few days?
18:11:50 <Halcyon> Meh I'll be fine
18:11:54 <Halcyon> I'm Tonka tough
18:12:11 <Halcyon> It's just on the soft inner part so its more painful than usual
18:13:43 <T3sl4> alrighty then
18:13:50 * T3sl4 punches Halcyon in the same shoulder
18:13:52 <T3sl4> :P
18:14:01 <Halcyon> And if I die tomorrow, you can raid my store room
18:14:24 <T3sl4> pfft, it's not like you'll have any porn i want
18:14:35 <Halcyon> You don't know that :P
18:21:09 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4 tends to get his porn from sickjunk.com, not sure if you have any of that stuff, Halcyon :P
18:21:22 * T3sl4 writes this down
18:21:34 <Ysjoelfir> is that even a real website? I just made that up xD
18:21:49 <Ysjoelfir> oh. it is.
18:21:53 <Ysjoelfir> and it is indeed a porn website
18:21:55 <Ysjoelfir> lol
18:22:02 <K> haha
18:22:23 <K> im not opening that
18:22:26 <Ysjoelfir> "Exploding Vomit Blow Jobs: Video" erm..... ok. Have fun.
18:22:33 <T3sl4> hello crouton
18:22:45 <Halcyon> My porn is pretty gay
18:22:49 <Halcyon> In every sense of the word
18:22:53 <Ysjoelfir> who could have guessed :D
18:25:38 <K> we are all very surprised
18:25:52 <Halcyon> K is not used to all this queer-ness
18:25:52 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir every combinaition of words like those is a working porn website xd
18:26:31 <Ysjoelfir> Thats why I made it up that way, I assumed it would be a perfect title for a strange porn website.
18:26:46 <Ysjoelfir> but that it actually IS exactly that.... erm yes.
18:29:27 <Lemon> yep :>
18:29:44 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir in a few hopefully, I'll have the confirmation that I bought a fluke 8800a !
18:30:14 <Lemon> because its still possible the guy give me the good ol "I only accept paiement in person, and pickup" while it says he accept online paiement + delivery
18:30:29 <Lemon> I didn't know those meters were 5.5 digits
18:30:51 <Ysjoelfir> cool, I always thought those had weird switches. (was it the 8800? I think so)
18:31:28 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, they were flukes pendant to the early HP 5.5 digit thingies... number... erm.... lemme check mine
18:32:15 <Lemon> piano switches !
18:32:23 <Lemon> 40 euros, and 5 for delivery
18:32:34 <Lemon> its in pretty good shape and fully working according to the guy
18:32:40 <Ysjoelfir> 3466a
18:33:10 <Lemon> arent those 4.5 digits ?
18:33:13 <Ysjoelfir> piano, is that how they call that? I would call them pest doctor mask switches. if I remember the right thing, let me google that
18:33:28 <Lemon> hahaha that also works XD
18:33:38 <Lemon> shit, now I will see that, thanks
18:33:43 <Ysjoelfir> yeah this one is. I was refering to the year/series, not the specific model
18:33:44 <Lemon> "plague masks"
18:33:58 <Lemon> they are beautiful, lets be honest (the HP)
18:34:17 <Lemon> today I will get the systron donner, and try to figure out the big DC offset
18:34:21 <Lemon> I dont get it, really
18:34:34 <Lemon> maybe it was a human error
18:35:04 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, they are nice. but the best thing I like about them is the battery. a benchtop meter that can be carried around is somehow nice imho
18:35:23 <Ysjoelfir> my systron donner has a DC offset as well. when you fixed yours, continue with mine, will you?
18:35:27 <Lemon> if its a standard battery yeah
18:35:38 <Lemon> ho yes ? how big it is ?
18:40:14 <Ysjoelfir> Its a more or less standard. its a D cell sized lead battery. you can still get those for not that much money, afaik 20€ each, you need two.
18:40:16 <Ysjoelfir> no idea, I bought it, got it, never switched it on yet. but it has the perfect heigth so that my scope doesn't tip over standing only with one feet on the keithley.
18:41:08 <Lemon> never switched it on ???
18:41:13 <Lemon> do it, just
18:41:14 <Lemon> DO IT
18:41:20 <Lemon> im getting mine right now
18:41:32 <Ysjoelfir> can't right now, I'm occupied.
18:41:51 <Lemon> mr donner never waits !
18:43:07 <Ysjoelfir> which model is yours?
18:43:08 <K> donger
18:43:08 <Lemon> so it was said by the seller, that there is a DC offset ?
18:43:14 <Ysjoelfir> yep
18:43:16 <Lemon> give me a sec, im getting it
18:43:23 <Lemon> maybe its a human error, on both
18:43:31 <Lemon> or the same component failing
18:43:43 <Lemon> its a 7205
18:44:42 <Ysjoelfir> 7224
18:45:07 <Ysjoelfir> so probably same series
18:46:16 <Lemon> that would be really weird to have two different models with the same dc offset
18:46:24 <Lemon> there surely is something overlooked
18:49:56 <Lemon> what a beautiful display
18:52:00 <Ysjoelfir> it has a panaplex, hasn't it?
18:52:21 <Lemon> yeah
18:52:42 <Ysjoelfir> they are sexy, but fragile
18:54:25 <Ysjoelfir> sad somehow that you can't find much about the systron donner things.
18:55:45 <Lemon> yes thats true
18:55:53 <Lemon> ok lets check the offset again
18:57:25 <Lemon> 1.009943 on hp
18:57:32 <Lemon> 1.00976 on systron
18:58:23 <Lemon> and if I recall right I already tried to adjust it
18:58:28 <Lemon> and it was the maximum I could do
19:11:05 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1977348428.html
19:11:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
19:11:09 <Lemon> and heres the fluke, btw
19:11:09 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCRwQikQbxs
19:11:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Red Parrot Brings Girlfriend Over To Meet The Woman He Visits Every Day | The Dodo Wild Hearts
19:11:11 <Halcyon> Birbs
19:15:44 <Lemon> ayeee a little package
19:15:47 <Lemon> lets seeee
19:15:55 <Halcyon> What did you order Lemon ?
19:16:04 <Lemon> many things XD
19:16:14 <Lemon> I think its components, opamps or something like it
19:16:57 <Lemon> opamps and cheapo vref !
19:17:15 <Lemon> it non antistatic bags, ofc
19:17:19 <Lemon> because who cares
19:19:03 <Lemon> yday night I bought some goodies on amazon
19:19:50 <Lemon> a knipex long needlenose plier, a fiskhars cutter, a knipex plastic tweezer and a flat metal ruler
19:19:54 <Lemon> nothing fancy
19:25:10 <Lemon> theres still a few tools from knipex that I want, but it adds up quickly
19:27:48 <Lemon> also, im very tempted to bid on that https://www.ebay.fr/itm/324617968469?ViewItem=&item=324617968469
19:27:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Vintage Lot De 20 Pinces Crocodile Metal Cuivre Mueller N° 60 Et 80 Collection | eBay
19:28:07 <Lemon> so I could make some nice leads with proper crocos
19:29:02 <Lemon> those little shit cost 5 euros new, no way im paying that
19:47:13 <T3sl4> mmm, eye(glasses) bleach
19:47:13 <steve30> food is cooking
19:47:13 <steve30> maybe i should try and go out for a walk in the sunshine
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19:47:13 <steve30> Halcyon, Crime Scene Investigation were out in the village.
20:09:28 <Ampera> good morning
20:10:14 <Lemon> hello Ampera, whats cracking !
20:10:27 <Ampera> just woke up
20:47:45 <Ysjoelfir> lol, ralfys reaaction to bigclives experiment with Jaegermeister is so nice xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z755QiS8tNs
20:47:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: ralfy review 875 Extras - Jagermeister dismantled by bigclivedotcom (my review)
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21:28:12 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/Tablette-d%C3%A9criture-LCD-num%C3%A9rique-Ewriter/dp/B071J4PW4C/ref=psdc_2908498031_t1_B08J7FXWPF
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21:28:29 <Lemon> on those type of tablets, is there some models where you can actually erase some parts, not all at once ?
21:28:50 <Lemon> if not, not a big deal I'll live with it
21:33:17 <Lemon> I keep seeing those in videos and it seems perfect to take notes
21:34:39 <Ysjoelfir> thats cute :D and actually a cool idea. try that and tell me if it works out.
21:34:42 <Ysjoelfir> could save a lot of paper
21:37:06 <K> i think i've seen some where you could actually save the written stuff
21:37:14 <Lemon> yeah for that price, I looked at a few videos it looks to work super nicely
21:37:32 <Lemon> but you cant erase something, only all at once
21:37:45 <Lemon> not a huge deal after all, its exactly like a piece of paper
21:38:08 <Lemon> I found one at 7.93 euros, for that price... I'll tell you on wednesday :>
21:39:37 <Lemon> I need to find a used kindle or alike, to put books/manuals in pdf
21:40:11 <Lemon> its not convenient to read them on a computer screen, and sometimes I want to read them (books mostly) far from my computer
21:40:22 <Lemon> but I dont want to buy a new one, im sure I could snatch one at 30-40 euros
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22:36:41 <rust_collector> morningszh
22:38:30 <Ampera> good mornski
22:39:20 <rust_collector> yes! it is a great day here. I wake up around 2, no one is home, I make noodles
22:39:40 <Ampera> I just had noodles
22:40:00 <rust_collector> 17th of may is noodle day
22:49:37 <K> you're a noodle.
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22:51:23 <Ysjoelfir> you're a dangernoodle, K!
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22:53:42 <K> much danger yes
22:54:53 <Ampera> I like snakes
22:55:06 <Ampera> some of them hug people to death <3
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23:02:22 <T3sl4> "now kiss" https://i.imgur.com/M7Hc78J.gif
23:06:29 <K> dongernoodle
23:06:56 <T3sl4> wangerdoodle
23:07:13 <K> donger-wanger
23:09:49 <K> anyone has experience with milling pcbs ?
23:10:18 <K> argument "but it chinese fabs are so cheap" is not accepted
23:11:09 <rust_collector> not me, but I can not see how it would be any different to milling anything else. just figure out how to keep the pcb flat
23:11:28 <K> dont need to
23:11:45 <K> from what i understand you can do height mapping fairly effective
23:12:19 <rust_collector> sure, if you want to make it complicated, and measure the non-flatness of every pcb you make
23:12:23 <K> the fiber dust problem can kinda be sidestepped by using some oil
23:12:42 <K> internets say that it also helps with tool life
23:13:12 <K> i do not need to make 20 of same
23:13:26 <rust_collector> yeah, fiberglass is abrasive
23:13:52 <K> so i do not see probing each piece of stock a huge issue
23:13:58 <K> yeah
23:14:12 <K> the toolbits themselves are tricky part
23:14:28 <K> regular tiny fluted mills are no go
23:14:46 <K> most use v bits, 30 deg / 0.1/0.2 tip
23:15:02 <K> but then there are those fancy looking and expensive spiralish things
23:15:03 <rust_collector> right, you want a half-cone shaped thing, probably.
23:15:19 <K> those go 20 eur a pop
23:15:29 <K> but i am a bit sceptical about their life expectancy
23:15:36 <rust_collector> what fancy spiral?
23:16:33 <K> https://www.precisebits.com/products/carbidebits/scoreengrave.asp
23:16:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - V-tip engraving and carving, PCB Trace Isolation
23:16:36 <K> something like this
23:16:52 <rust_collector> just use a d-bit. they are easy to make, and if they don't last long, you can regrind them easily enough
23:18:05 <K> for bigger areas that could work yea
23:18:44 <rust_collector> make them pointy, almost like a non-spiral version of the screwy one you linked
23:25:01 <K> well, im yet to order the router
23:26:14 <K> i contemplated "black marker + pointy bit in spingy mount of 3d-printer + etching" , but i still will need to cut the pcb to the size and maybe do some holes
23:28:00 <K> and doing it wit ha hacksaw of some other barbaric method does not spark joy to me
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23:35:49 <rust_collector> sure, just mill the thing. I still see fastening the board to the mill as the thing you have to figure out
23:39:38 <K> im thinging about milling/drilling/taping sort of jigboard out of stock of aluminim plate
23:39:45 <K> on my manual mill that is
23:40:09 <K> double sided tape and other such methods also seem obscene
23:40:26 <K> esp if i would want to make a double sided job
23:41:12 <rust_collector> so, something like little strap clamps?
23:41:34 <K> i was thingking more like with tight fitting pins
23:42:02 <K> you clamp stock down, drill holes for pins, then place stock on pins and proceed
23:42:28 <K> some light clamping might be necessary too
23:43:03 <rust_collector> uuh, ok
23:43:18 <K> yes, overengeneering is my virtue
23:46:41 <rust_collector> I am sure you will figure something out.
23:55:58 <K> i better
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