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26:53 <rust_collector> that looks good, but I think I have to not read it, because I seem to have a very limited brain, and I do not want it to go out of ancient linear mode, lol
28:59 <Kuschelpony> hihi
29:11 <Kuschelpony> well i do read it in a special mixed mode
30:03 <Kuschelpony> its at the same time enjoying to learn more from someone who has written exceptionally well and clear, but also in a kind of i want to stuff my brain and forget these months like other people would go to a bar and drink alcohol
30:28 <Kuschelpony> its just that i dont want to kill my brain with alcohol but instead fill it with more knowledge
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32:24 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=af1I2yoNOP8
32:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Ficki das Pony by Kurt Razelli
33:24 <rust_collector> electrohead !! wth is the bot doing?
34:06 <electrohead> what?
34:49 <rust_collector> I get notifications for stuff no one posted? which is ok, but I could at least get a link?
38:40 <electrohead> oh oh, I see what you're saying
38:47 <electrohead> how many users do you have on your ignore list?
38:50 <electrohead> lol
39:10 <rust_collector> 62?
39:46 <rust_collector> arrgh, ok, where is that list...
40:39 <rust_collector> heh, that was a pretty random list. interesting
41:20 <electrohead> hahaha
42:48 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_xIwUz39ek
42:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: PMG Kolektiv - 80ti | official video
43:36 <Lord_of_nothing> Herr Kuschel?
45:17 <Kuschelpony> yes?
46:13 <electrohead> lol
51:07 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRTQ1iK8fAY
51:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: TURBOBIER - Arbeitslos (OFFIZIELLES VIDEO)
51:23 <Lord_of_nothing> Wennst mal etwas traditionelles aus unseren Land suchst.
51:30 <Lord_of_nothing> Wie gehts dir?
54:27 <Kuschelpony> uff, ich möchte nichts ins Detail gehen, da glaube ich rutschei ch gerade massiv in eine persönliche Krise wo schon vor dem C die Wurzeln waren aberdie letzten Monate mir den Rest des Antriebs genommen haben
55:00 <Kuschelpony> nothing to discuss here
55:45 <Kuschelpony> im just trying to be helpful for people who have questions and get a tiny bit of satisfaction for beeing not completely useless and unwanted
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11:17 <electrohead> Kuschelpony: that's nice of you :)
11:53 <Kuschelpony> its my view of the world
12:23 <Kuschelpony> perhaps not exactly the thing of Karma or how these are called, but a kind of i weant to give all i can in the hope i could also get some help with my issues
14:03 <electrohead> yeah I'm the same way, unless someone is a complete asshole to me, then I feel different
16:00 <Kuschelpony> the problem is that the majority of people too easily label someone as "not worth spending any more energy" or "creepy"
17:41 <Kuschelpony> i had used the analogy elsewhere in another IRC recently, where i feel like i am a colorful butterfly that disturbs the social expectations of a place that is supposed to be in smooth shades of mute colors
46:18 <Lord_of_nothing> ja das c thema geht mir auch am arsch
47:43 <Kuschelpony> es hat mir nur die letzten 5% gekillt, der Rest mangelte schon vorher
47:54 <Lord_of_nothing> ich darf nur nach slowenien mit einen test
48:07 <Kuschelpony> warte auf impfung...
48:42 <Lord_of_nothing> omg du wirst doch nicht etwas spriten lassen das die sich letztes jahr aus den arsch gezogen haben?
48:58 <Kuschelpony> ich warte jeden Tag darauf daß ic hes endlich kann
49:08 <Lord_of_nothing> das ist krank
50:03 <Kuschelpony> das ist deine meinung die ich nicht angreifen will, ich sage nur daß meine persönliche Entscheidung 99,99% dahin geht daß ich das Vertrauen habe daß der impfstoff bei weitem sicherer ist als alles was mir sonst passieren könnte
50:17 <Kuschelpony> sorry for these who dont understand german language:
50:34 <Lord_of_nothing> da kann man gleich selbst mord begehen da spart man sich das leiden
50:56 <Kuschelpony> i wanted to say that i respect any opinion related to the vaccination, but my personal opinion is 99,99% sure that the risks of the vaccination are far lower than wahts possible without
52:01 <Lord_of_nothing> with a caccine who is just 1year before out of the lab and its the first mass test...
52:30 <Lord_of_nothing> and the dont know if it make you imune
52:47 <rust_collector> as long as it does not make you ill, that is ok
52:58 <Lord_of_nothing> well that is what nobody know
53:32 <Lord_of_nothing> so would you drink a fluid who not help in anthikn and potentially can kill you?
54:09 <rust_collector> no, but I would one that probably would help, even if something bad could happen
55:09 <Lord_of_nothing> probably is a good therm
55:16 <Kuschelpony> as said i leave you to your opinion and dont fight it
55:41 <Lord_of_nothing> when someone will do a very stupid think i want try to prevent it
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03:53 <Ysjoelfir> Ich waere froh, wenn ich endlich mal nen Termin bekommen wuerde...
05:10 <Ysjoelfir> also rust_collector, T3sl4 and I think Kuschelpony were also commenting on the coffee mill before? We (Mr. Gworg and I) took our time to disassemble and clean the thing. It already looks pretty nice. And I think I will keep the original paint, it still is mostly in decent shape.
05:44 <rust_collector> ok, good, it is only original once
05:44 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/jsoOai.jpg
06:56 <rust_collector> yeah. worst case, you could always make it pretty later. but that looks usable
07:41 <Ysjoelfir> I agree, rusty. So, now I only need 3 new bearings and probably turn a new.... push thingy that dictates the grinding level. basically a mushroom shaped thing from steel, in the picture above the two motor housing parts, pretty much inthe middle of the pic. it is a good bit worn out
08:19 <Kuschelpony> hmm i missed the coffe mill but i also have to leave for an hour now, when i am back please ask again unanswered questions
08:58 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
09:07 <Ysjoelfir> enjoy your... ok, bye :D
09:42 <electrohead> EEVBot: give coffee to Ysjoelfir
09:42 <rust_collector> ok. you fix! thinking about the "stickers" How would it work, to use one of those handheld scanners, that you slide across a document? That should work on cylinders too, and give you a good base image on the confuser?
09:43 * EEVBot hooks Ysjoelfir up to a coffee IV
13:14 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... that could indeed be worth a try, rusty.
13:16 <rust_collector> ok, now he stopped completely...
13:59 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead: Thanks, but I hate coffee xD though... I could need some energy right now. I am awake now for.... erm.... 35:30h
15:16 <rust_collector> I have some 18650s you can insert, if you want?
16:11 <rust_collector> they might be small, but they say they have a lot of energy
17:15 <rust_collector> otoh, you would have to stay awake for a week before they got there... that could be a problem
19:53 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: I know you do, that's why I said that :p
23:36 <Ysjoelfir> maybe rusty, yes :P also, thanks mr head :P
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31:45 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, do you have experiences with china bearings? I tend to get a few extra when I need stuff like that so that I have it on hand the next time.. but thats only feasible if I go for the 8€ for 10 bearings from china, instead of the 5€ for one bearing from germanistan
32:54 <rust_collector> well, as usual, it is not the china that is the problem, it is what sort of chinesium they are made out of. and you never know....
33:25 <rust_collector> some are great, some are incredible, and some are not really bearings at all
33:31 <Ysjoelfir> lol
33:58 <Ysjoelfir> well, can't be worse than having three bearings with each having at least 10 locking positions, right?
33:59 <rust_collector> be glad you can get proper bearing for just 5
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34:23 <Ysjoelfir> well... I am talking about 629ZZ, not some giant ones
34:57 <rust_collector> still. bearings are not cheap up here. unless you buy them by the pallet
35:17 <Ysjoelfir> ok? is it that bad?
35:24 <rust_collector> yep, it is
35:31 <Ysjoelfir> hm.
36:18 <rust_collector> but... otoh, in the case of that grrrrinder.... that is 3 bearings, and then it will probably work until the insulation falls out, or 50 more years...
36:50 <Ysjoelfir> actually.. it is 3 bearings, one bushing and 2 sliding felt pad thingies
37:27 <rust_collector> well... then just buy some chinese chewing gum based lump-bearings
38:38 <Ysjoelfir> xD
38:45 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and I found several datecodes
39:05 <Ysjoelfir> latest one was may 1954
39:05 <rust_collector> On one side, I don't think they will run for long periods, so they will probably not overheat any time soon. it is just that you never know what you get, before you get them, and buying 2 sets, just to wreck one, to check if they have actual metal in them...
39:12 <rust_collector> nice
40:05 <rust_collector> I guess it deserves a cleaning and a few bearings
40:08 <Ysjoelfir> nah, it will run barely at all. I won't use it much I think, its more of a novelty and a nice fun project.
40:26 <Ysjoelfir> right? I think I will go with good quality ones, just because it deserves it
40:49 <rust_collector> how are the brushes and commutator looking?
41:12 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and I need a puller to get them off from the shaft. I only have biger ones for pulleys.
41:32 <Ysjoelfir> broshes are pretty much done, I try to find replacements. commutators are still fine
42:15 <rust_collector> can you get by with angle grinder brushes, and just filing them to fit, maybe?
45:46 <rust_collector> you should leave a note inside that thing, replaced bearings after 70 years, and made a thingie, name and date. That could be fun to find in some decades, if it still exists
46:05 <Lemon> hey freunds
46:14 <Lemon> I just thought about something that could greatly help me
46:14 <rust_collector> hey you....person
46:28 <Lemon> what is the "best" (in a sense, educatively speaking) electronic simulator ?
46:34 <Lemon> I have LTspice but its not too easy to use
46:41 <rust_collector> breadboard?
47:28 <Ysjoelfir> that could work, rusty. those broshes are not big, so I can probably make something fit :) Also, I just love the note Idea, will definitely do that!
47:48 <Lemon> yeah well the thing is, it would help me to play with things I dont have physically :>
47:49 <rust_collector> I think any of the computer ones have a pretty steep learning curve?
48:00 <Lemon> I remember seeing one where you could see current flowing etc
48:02 <Lemon> it was super nice
48:16 <rust_collector> I think ltspice will do that
48:43 <Lemon> I mean it was dynamic on screen
48:47 <rust_collector> yes
48:51 <Lemon> and overall it felt super easy
49:02 <Lemon> I have ltspice 7
49:43 <Lemon> ha maybe it was everycircuit
49:47 <Lemon> ok I will eat and see
49:49 <Lemon> brb guys
50:23 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRcyHuyb1V0&list=PLT84nve2j1g_wgGcm0Bv3K4RSl2Jdjsey
50:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: LTSpice Tutorial - EP1 Getting started
51:08 <Ysjoelfir> is FAG a good bearing company?
51:13 <rust_collector> yes
51:35 <rust_collector> fag, skf, that american one...
51:55 <Ysjoelfir> good. than I take 2 faggots and one SKF (which was the only one I knew before being good :P )
52:50 <rust_collector> why can't I remember the american one...
53:20 <rust_collector> timken
53:32 <rust_collector> uhm... nsk should be good
54:44 <rust_collector> eeeh, there is a german one too schaeff...something
55:30 * Ysjoelfir tries to remember those names :D
55:43 <rust_collector> schaeffler
55:55 <rust_collector> probably not the cheapest
56:35 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder... is there any downsides to using a.... "shielded"? bearing over an open one in that application? I could immagine having some metal preventing coffee dust from entering the balls path can't be the worst idea?
57:18 <rust_collector> shielded will be fine, but don't use a rubber sealed one, as the motor will spin too fast, and melt the seal
57:19 <Ysjoelfir> like, that kind https://www.ebay.de/itm/133465813046?hash=item1f132eb036:g:rtkAAOSwjTBfDsWa
57:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - ** 1x SKF - Rillenkugellager 629-2Z/C3 ....... 9x26x8mm ....... **NEU** | eBay
58:10 <rust_collector> yes, z or zz will be fine, but stay away from rs or 2rs, on fast things. but they will be fine on lower speed things
58:28 <Ysjoelfir> ok :)
01:15 <rust_collector> ok, that is all I know about bearings, that I remember right now. I have not had much to do with them in many years
01:33 <Ysjoelfir> you just prefer to use a bushing.
02:00 <rust_collector> nah, jsut stuff it full of grease, and you dont't need bearings
02:35 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
04:14 <rust_collector> hmm, talking about thingies... I took apart the egr valve on the pug yesterday...
04:32 <Ysjoelfir> I did not now your dogs had valves
04:41 <DHess_US> https://www.rouming.cz/upload/Vysrat_s_elektrodebilama.jpg
05:17 <rust_collector> and it has a screw drive, so it turns about a quarter turn... and uses an electric motor, and some hall sensor to figure out how open it is...
05:36 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds way more complicated than it needs to be
06:53 <rust_collector> but the magnet wheel is on the screw axle, and there is a clockspring, between that, and the lid... it need half a turn of preload, and the motor connects to the screw with a "fork"
07:07 <rust_collector> that was interesting to put back together
07:11 <Ysjoelfir> ew oO
07:19 <Ysjoelfir> I can immagine that beind much much fun
08:16 <rust_collector> but, the best part, is that the magnet wheel needs to be pushed further onto the axle than you can press the motor down...or it will rub on stuff, and bind...
08:33 <rust_collector> I wonder how they assemble these in the factory
09:12 <Ysjoelfir> uuuuuuh..... magic?
09:22 <rust_collector> that could work, I guess
11:14 <rust_collector> I will try that next time, thanks
11:23 <Ysjoelfir> youre welcome
34:34 <Lemon> ok seems I was using ltspice the wrong way
34:36 <Lemon> thanks rusty
41:48 <rust_collector> I have no idea, lol. but I think that guy seems to have an idea about how to use it
42:46 <rust_collector> Oooh, I put a new battery in my big meter, very fancy to not have the battery warning all the time
44:16 <rust_collector> so, if that is 30 videos of 15 minutes or so... I guess lemon is busy today
44:32 <Lemon> well im trying to find a ref102 model
44:54 <rust_collector> do you have a ref 102?
45:13 <Lemon> not at hand no
45:21 <Lemon> but I want to redo the example, just to test it
45:24 <Lemon> and see how it works
45:29 <Lemon> to see if I understood
46:41 <hsn> oui
46:58 <hsn> Ampera,
47:06 <hsn> do u get github of EEVBot ?
48:02 <Ampera> what
49:42 <rust_collector> hsn ^
49:50 <rust_collector> wake up!
49:59 <hsn> yes up wake i am
50:09 <hsn> Ampera, do u have github link of EEVBot ?
50:29 <Ampera> no
50:36 <Ampera> it's not on github
50:42 <hsn> pornhub ?
51:00 <hsn> eevhub ?
51:37 <Ampera> why are you like this
52:08 <rust_collector> I think he is like the rest of us, he was born, then he kept living
52:08 <hsn> u see .. god created lots of colors .. and .. lots of wierd ppl ..
52:10 <hsn> etc etc
52:45 <hsn> yes .. they kept me breathing o2
53:25 <hsn> EEVBot, kill ampera
53:26 <EEVBot> hsn: nega-tory, ghost rider!
53:43 <rust_collector> but if you want to see the bot files, maybe you shoudl ask the guy who has anything to do with it?
54:46 <rust_collector> I think I will see how that tip120 will work in hmmhmm blarrblah mmmnmhmmmmmmm
55:30 <hsn> rust_collector, i saw earlier ampera discussing with electrohead about it .. i think electrohead was open to the contribution idea and i ask ampera if he got it .. hrmm
55:44 <rust_collector> yes, stop that
55:55 <hsn> stop what
55:59 <rust_collector> that
56:05 <hsn> that, stop!
56:09 <rust_collector> thinking
56:15 <rust_collector> it is eeew
56:26 <hsn> who said im thinking.. :D
56:35 <hsn> i said ? .. well .. its a lie ..
56:44 <hsn> me never thinks
56:49 <rust_collector> oh, ok then
57:24 <hsn> i ve 1061$ in my account
57:27 <electrohead> o/
57:28 <hsn> should i worry ?
57:31 <rust_collector> yes
57:39 <hsn> who knows when is my next salary
57:44 <rust_collector> it has a meaning, probably
57:44 <hsn> ola electrola
57:53 <electrohead> by tomorrow, the source code will be on github
57:58 <electrohead> err, tomorrow at the latest
58:13 <electrohead> today is my first sunday off in almost three months, so I'm mainly relaxing today
58:20 <hsn> r u injecting some code to hack us ^(._.)^
58:23 <electrohead> but, I'll probably just get it done, then
58:29 <electrohead> I can if you want me to :P
58:30 <rust_collector> upload it to pornhub, as an image
58:31 <electrohead> lol
58:41 <hsn> rust_collector, not bad idea .. not bad
58:52 <hsn> EEVBot, tea rust_collector
58:52 <EEVBot> hsn: nega-tory, ghost rider!
58:56 <hsn> EEVBot, help
58:59 <rust_collector> good bot
59:08 <electrohead> EEVBot: give tea to hsn
59:08 * EEVBot tea-bags hsn
59:12 <electrohead> lmfao
59:35 <hsn> EEVBot, slap him self and plays noughty .. (pornhub)
59:35 * EEVBot viciously slaps him with an enormous smelly trout
59:42 <hsn> there u go .. take the picture ^
59:49 <hsn> no
00:47 <rust_collector> you know how this goes...
00:50 <rust_collector> https://bit.ly/3bcf4WG
00:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bitly
00:55 <hsn> EEVBot, slap his_ass_and_moans_powered_by_pornhub
00:55 * EEVBot viciously slaps his_ass_and_moans_powered_by_pornhub with an enormous smelly trout
01:13 <hsn> yes .. that .. take screenshot
01:27 <hsn> rust_collector, stop tea bagging
01:41 <rust_collector> nah, it is a nice pic
02:23 <Lemon> hmmm I remembered that I still have my fathers tek th710a, I rarely use it because I have bench stuff and it got no battery
02:31 <Lemon> but if I can find a battery its a super nice thing
02:36 <rust_collector> https://bit.ly/2RBE4jo
02:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bitly
02:42 <Lemon> its the lower model but still nice
04:51 <hsn> electrohead, do u see what rusty doing ?
05:15 <hsn> he is doing bitly things to hide titles
05:16 <hsn> :D
10:27 <electrohead> I do :D
10:36 <electrohead> I shall do something special just for that
10:39 <electrohead> ;P
10:50 <electrohead> so ok, let me eat really quick, then I'll work on uploading the source to github
10:51 <electrohead> \o/
10:59 <electrohead> I'll just get 'er done.
20:18 <Lemon> hmm where can I find a lmt317 in ltspice ?
20:27 <Lemon> I cant find "regulators" or something similar
20:59 <rust_collector> try lm, and not lmt?
21:14 <Lemon> yeah well seems theres no search bar
21:35 <Lemon> ha wait yes there is
21:38 <Lemon> but no lm317
22:52 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure I have seen it in there somewhere
25:45 <electrohead> maybe try just 317?
27:01 <Lemon> I tried yeah
28:05 <Lemon> thats weird, as its supposed to be a common thing
28:15 <hsn> Lemon,
28:35 <T3sl4> they use all their LT equivalents if possible
28:39 <T3sl4> free advertising, y'know
29:15 <hsn> i think u download it
30:22 <Lemon> ok then what is the equivalent name ?
30:26 <Lemon> its really confusing me
31:06 <T3sl4> lt317 innit?
33:14 <Lemon> well theres a lm3308
33:17 <Lemon> lm308
33:41 <Lemon> nah its an opamp
35:21 <hsn> am trying to include TI lm317 pspice .. i always forgot how to .. :D
35:38 <T3sl4> my ancient copy of ltspice has LT317A under PowerProducts
38:13 <hsn> https://www.ieee.li/pdf/viewgraphs/ltspice_creating_a_schematic_symbol.pdf
38:31 <hsn> it has out_0 out_1
38:33 <hsn> idk why
38:45 <hsn> and also .. its LM317 Unencrypted PSpice Transient Model
38:48 <hsn> https://www.ti.com/product/LM317#design-development
38:49 <EEVBot> [Title] - LM317 data sheet, product information and support | TI.com
38:56 <hsn> idk what is "transient model" ...
39:17 <T3sl4> transient is the analysis you'll most likely be using??
40:05 <hsn> doesnt it work with ac analysis ?
40:12 <hsn> or dc sweep ?
40:43 <hsn> rnt both of these ^ multiple points of transients ?
41:19 <T3sl4> tran starts with dc op
41:31 <T3sl4> i think anything that runs in tran will ac too
41:37 <T3sl4> the opposite may not be true
41:55 <hsn> huh ?
42:11 <hsn> did u ever see "ac analysis model" for example ?
42:17 <T3sl4> ya
42:20 <T3sl4> coilcraft has em
42:47 <hsn> EEVBot, convert em to pixel
42:52 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 1 em to pixel
42:52 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is Invalid pixel
43:09 <hsn> no
43:21 <T3sl4> EEVBot: convert 72 pt to inch
43:21 <EEVBot> T3sl4: The result is Invalid inch
43:27 <T3sl4> EEVBot: convert 72 point to inch
43:28 <EEVBot> T3sl4: The result is Invalid inch
43:31 <T3sl4> EEVBot: convert 72 points to inchs
43:32 <EEVBot> T3sl4: The result is Invalid inchs
43:37 <T3sl4> *shrug*
43:58 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 1 T3sl4 to hsn
43:59 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is Invalid hsn
44:08 <hsn> 1/0 ^ T_T
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50:44 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.com/itm/324181108286?mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&siteid=0&campid=5338727021&customid=&toolid=10001&mkevt=1
50:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Agilent HP 6625A 4 Variable DC Outputs PS Programmable Tested Excellent Cosmetic | eBay
50:47 <Lemon> 116 usd...
50:53 <Lemon> its literally nothing
51:01 <Lemon> if only shipping wasnt a problem :(
53:59 <hsn> i've no idea why TI spice has (2 outputs)
54:02 <hsn> but lemon it works
55:17 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/xBdscy.jpg
55:22 <hsn> i shorted the outputs :D
56:45 <hsn> Lemon the rich guy .. can u please send me 300x "literly nothing"s to my paypal ?
56:53 <T3sl4> well... read the readme...
56:58 <Lemon> rich guy ? xd pls
57:21 <Lemon> I want lots of things but its only the word want, sadly :>
57:38 <Lemon> I recently flipped my gtx 1080 so I have money for a new toy, but shipping kill delas...
57:44 <Lemon> at 116 usd I'd buy two
58:06 <Lemon> im a bit sad to see all those nice cheap things in the us
58:18 <hsn> T3sl4, where is the read me
59:55 <T3sl4> in the download?
00:00 <T3sl4> or just look in the lib it's plain text
00:18 <hsn> i saw the lib plain text
00:29 <hsn> not so much info ..
00:34 <hsn> and didnt find read me thingy
01:04 <T3sl4> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
01:24 <hsn> wait
01:25 <hsn> T3sl4,
01:29 <hsn> .SUBCKT LM317_TRANS IN ADJ OUT_0 OUT_1
01:40 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315713347368648705/841026664884469760/image00000027.jpg
01:48 <T3sl4> yeah no the comments immediately before that
01:50 <hsn> there is only one "OUT_1" in the file
01:55 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
01:59 * Ysjoelfir steals Ampera's cat
02:02 <hsn> T3sl4, yeah there is no comments about it
02:05 * T3sl4 pets Ampera
02:22 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, it's not my cat
02:24 <hsn> but .. if there is only one "OUT_1" .. it means its Not connected right ?
02:37 <Ysjoelfir> damn
03:39 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/cAvRe7.jpg << out_0 is there ..
03:48 <hsn> but out_1 is .. hmm .. idk what its doing
05:44 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, https://youtu.be/Ov2hdWNpTKY
05:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Cat Song, Funny cats present: " Meow Meow Song " by SINGING CATS
06:13 <T3sl4> ew, behavioral source
06:40 <hsn> what u mean
06:44 <hsn> mean u what
06:45 <T3sl4> dividing by a difference of voltages too
06:57 <T3sl4> oh, not to mention the if()
06:59 <T3sl4> fuck me
07:10 <T3sl4> the E_U1_ABM's
08:03 <hsn> what r u talking about .. the subskt ?
09:04 <T3sl4> and the COMPHYS is if-based too? ugh
10:06 <hsn> At ComPhys Lab, we develop computer models of language behaviour to investigate the juncture of grammatical competence
10:14 <hsn> u think i understand hah ?
10:27 <Ysjoelfir> awwwwwwwwwww xD
10:38 <hsn> i cant even find the if condition .
11:03 <hsn> IF(V(U1_UVLO_OK)> 0.6, {VREF}, 0)
11:13 <hsn> nice :D
11:24 <hsn> it works no ? :D
11:30 <T3sl4> no idea what TTRN is, a global param i guess
11:32 <hsn> not for ur type of simulations .. :D
11:51 <hsn> .PARAM psrr=7.9432e-4 uvlo=0 ilim=2.2 pole=15k rinp=1e7 zero=100e6 rout=0.4m
11:52 <hsn> + ttrn=1e-4 vref=1.25 uhys=0 drop=.5
11:58 <hsn> ttrn=1e-4 ?
13:16 <hsn> so ee-4 is 0.018
13:46 <T3sl4> oh yeah, they put the params at the end
13:57 <T3sl4> i misread that as a PARAMS: to a model
14:27 <hsn> anyway .. if u say they are bad .. and making joke about them .. which i feel the case
14:52 <hsn> then i trust my self that vout_1 is not connected .. they probably bring it from another model and didnt remove it .. lazy ppl
16:07 <T3sl4> i wonder if they require as many model pins as symbol pins, so they put in dummys
17:24 <T3sl4> hsn: you can't take the derivative of if()
17:33 <T3sl4> yet spice uses derivatives to solve for the next timestep
17:38 <T3sl4> it's a bastard function
18:47 <hsn> T3sl4, the derivative is of if() is : (current if() + previous if()) / 2
19:07 <hsn> easy .. piece of cake ... gimme nobel prize
19:16 * T3sl4 reduces hsn's timestep towards 0
19:30 * hsn disappears while screaming
21:05 <hsn> the ugly thing about reading this stuff: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/359697/rf-via-fences-stitching-spacing
21:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - RF Via fences/stitching spacing - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange
21:23 <hsn> is that .. i understand nothing from them .. but somehow i refuse to close the tab for more than 1 month
22:01 <hsn> my mind thinks that i will research about it and learn .. but it just stays there until firefox crashes or somthing
22:22 <rust_collector> I wonder why I think gimp is so tricky. Maybe it just is?
22:31 <T3sl4> it's gimped
22:32 <electrohead> I almost forgot I had a github account I created in the past, just had to reset the password, and voila, I'm back in business
22:46 <electrohead> gimp is nice :)
22:57 <T3sl4> electrohead: i'll let you pass if you answer me these questions three
22:58 <hsn> who is viola electrohead .. girlfriend ?
23:24 <rust_collector> it is his stuffed sex-rabbit
23:30 <T3sl4> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/voil%C3%A0
23:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - voilà - Wiktionary
23:38 <hsn> rust_collector, gimp is not photoshop but its free
23:48 <rust_collector> I noticed that
23:59 <hsn> T3sl4, my wife name is close to that
24:08 <electrohead> gimp works just fine for me, always have
24:22 <T3sl4> and i bet you play her like a viola too
24:27 <T3sl4> electrohead: draw a circle
24:36 <rust_collector> I am sure it works great, it is just that I don't know how to do anything there
25:21 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/114724183262?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3D59ed88b982964b4e858a6a2917e47e46%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D114625196230%26itm%3D114724183262%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseUnbiasedWeb%26brand%3DUnbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851 what do you think of this kind of packs guys ?
25:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Divers Composants électroniques et pièces | eBay
25:29 <hsn> T3sl4, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/transcoded/8/87/En-us-voil%C3%A0.ogg/En-us-voil%C3%A0.ogg.mp3
25:31 <Lemon> to build some stock
25:46 <rust_collector> Lemon https://bitly.com/
25:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - URL Shortener - Short URLs & Custom Free Link Shortener | Bitly
26:34 * Ysjoelfir wonders what melon needs Divers for
26:43 <Lemon> :>
26:53 <Lemon> thats some pack of NOS components, lots of various thingies
26:56 * Ysjoelfir sings holy diver
27:02 <Lemon> I figured it could be better than chinese stuff
28:16 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir been down too long in the midnight tea
28:21 <hsn> rust_collector, https://is.gd/
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28:27 <rust_collector> welllll. if you happen to need some of those old switches, and caps
29:37 <hsn> rust_collector, try shorting bit.ly inside is.gd
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31:11 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRmFwTO5ofk
31:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Bathory - Nordland I (Full Album)
34:04 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir can you tell me the kind of fuse I need for the PA fixture I want to build ? a 250v 16a one ?
36:06 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/174751084522?hash=item28aff9efea:g:qFoAAOSwMKxfRl2R
36:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - lot 5X Porte fusible à vis 5x20 pour fusibles verre 5 x 20mm 250v 10A - NEUF | eBay
36:09 <Lemon> I wanted to use this
39:16 <Ysjoelfir> the mak?
41:40 <Lemon> yeah
42:28 <Lemon> 5 by 20mm looks super small for mains
43:34 <Kuschelpony> these small fuses are usually rated to break upto 250V AC but only limited shortcircuit currents
43:53 <Kuschelpony> if you have serious shortcircuit currents look for these in ceramic tubes
43:57 <rust_collector> I guess sand filled ones would be ok-er?
44:20 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/143836263716?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3D2ef832045f564d94ac07d0bb4ef11910%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D143939429776%26itm%3D143836263716%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseUnbiasedWeb%26brand%3D-+Sans+marque%2FG%E9n%E9rique+-&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851
44:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fusible en Céramique - 5x20mm - Fusion Rapide - 250V | eBay
44:22 <Lemon> like those ?
44:38 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i have not seen sand filled glass fuses the past decades, only sand filled ceramic ones
45:07 <Kuschelpony> thats the ones which are safe unless you put them directly at the mains distribution panel
46:02 <Lemon> its to be used with a power analyzer fixture, that goes between appliance and outlet
48:27 <Kuschelpony> im not sure... in that place i would already consider a circuit breaker that is conventiently reset
48:48 <Kuschelpony> something like an ABB S201 10A or 16A can be had already for about 5€
49:27 <Lemon> ha well, it will never fit
50:43 <Kuschelpony> sorry
51:18 <rust_collector> just build the thing bigger?
51:40 <Lemon> well I want to fit it in a old CPL thingie
51:47 <Lemon> which would be perfectly sized
51:54 <Lemon> and on top of that theres already male/female outlet
52:30 <Kuschelpony> i think i betetr stop here before giving too unhelpful opinions
53:59 <Lemon> and I mean, appliance is protected, and mains too
54:07 <Lemon> but I lack knowledge in that area
00:13 <rust_collector> Kuschelpony it is fine, you give us suggestions that are helpful. and at least I like having you around here.
02:22 <Lemon> hmm I found a 8a 250v here
02:33 <Lemon> and holders
17:32 <Lemon> technicallly with this fuse
17:43 <Lemon> I can have an appliance running up to 2kw ?
18:53 <Kuschelpony> if it has no significant inrush and an power factor of 1 then yes
18:59 <Kuschelpony> better you say 2kVA
19:25 <Lemon> ok !
19:34 <Lemon> so for example, I guess I couildnt connect a microwave oven
19:38 <Lemon> it probably use more, no ?
19:43 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3XFBwIEez4
19:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Home Office # 117 feat. @Rin99er
24:40 <Kuschelpony> maybe yes... they ran the transformer badly into saturation that it draws lots of magnetization curtrent upto the limit of a 10 or even 16a fuse
25:14 * Ysjoelfir humms
26:56 <rust_collector> hummus
26:59 <rust_collector> ?
27:11 <Ysjoelfir> uuuh, nice. I like that stuff
28:17 <rust_collector> ok, I am not sure if I have tried that
28:33 <Lemon> so Ysjoelfir, what do you think I should use ? those 5 by 20mm ceramic fuses are ok ? :>
29:57 <rust_collector> uhm, ok, so... I had this idea, then I tried something, but... I don't know.
30:01 <rust_collector> https://snipboard.io/bop3GN.jpg
30:27 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/tv/COiZVJ8gAxi/
30:40 <Lemon> oooff
30:47 <Ysjoelfir> for that use case... probably yes, Lemon
30:47 <hsn> Idk about this story of palastine these days ..
31:00 <hsn> But the first guy logic is funny in above video
31:06 <Lemon> so I should take at high amp rated fuse I guess ?
31:14 <Lemon> if I want to monitor a microwave oven, or a boiler
31:19 <hsn> If i dont steal it someone else will steal it ... So i steal it .. lol
31:22 <Lemon> 8 amp isnt enough I guess
32:15 <rust_collector> I think few microwaves are over 1000W, the water heater, or a kettle is probably worse
33:11 <Lemon> yeah ok so maybe a 250v 12 or 16a
33:24 <rust_collector> hsn it has been a while since you saw that guy with the sunglasses?
33:40 <hsn> rust_collector: who sunglasses guy
33:41 <hsn> Is
34:01 <rust_collector> the one in my link up above yours.
34:16 <rust_collector> https://snipboard.io/bop3GN.jpg
34:26 <hsn> Hoh i didnt knew
34:46 <hsn> And now i understand what u was doing with gimp
34:53 <hsn> Lol
35:08 <hsn> I opened it .. and thought its original image u r posting
35:09 <rust_collector> It was worth those 14 hours
35:18 <hsn> Yeah
35:23 <hsn> Totally
35:33 <Lemon> hmm I know in france we have 16 and 32a outlets
35:35 <hsn> He is sun glasses tea bagging
35:36 <Lemon> but idk about mine
35:49 <hsn> Lemon: its 16a i think
35:50 <Lemon> iff I put, lets say a 20a fuse, and plug it in a 16a outlet
36:13 <Lemon> lets say theres a problem, the fuse wont melt, so the circuit board or whatever is it called in english will break, right ?
36:28 <Kuschelpony> approximately right
36:33 <hsn> If its installed correctly yes
36:42 <Lemon> ok
36:47 <Kuschelpony> but you cant be sure which is faster, or that both switch off
36:52 <hsn> The idea is to prevent fire in wires and outlets i guess .. right?
37:00 <Kuschelpony> right!
37:11 <Lemon> I know the electrical installation is fine, as its my father who did it (electronic engeneer) but for my own fixture, I'll have to build it correctly
37:19 <electrohead> anyone in here use ssh keys with github, and know how to push changes?
37:31 <Lemon> so I should put a fuse rated less than the outlet ?
37:36 <hsn> The mcb trips faster with different catagories .. i think
37:38 <Kuschelpony> so outlet and wires should be safe from the distrubutuion board fuse, appliances that are built for much lower currents should have their own small fuse
37:55 <Lemon> yes theres also the fuse in the appliance itself
38:10 <Kuschelpony> if you want to have your local fuse to reliably blow faster you shoul have a rating of 10a or less
38:21 <Kuschelpony> if the main breaker is 16a
38:58 <Lemon> hmmm ok
39:16 <Lemon> I just want to be sure I can measure any appliances, like a microwave, a boiler, a tv... etc
39:25 <Lemon> on hand I have a 8a 250v fuse
39:37 <Lemon> but I can order a bigger one
40:13 <Kuschelpony> i would say you start with that one and see if it goes well with most appliances
40:25 <hsn> https://studyelectrical.com/2014/07/miniature-circuit-breakers-mcb-types-characteristic-curves.html
40:26 <hsn> Look at the table
40:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - MCB (Miniature Circuit Breakers) - Types, Working and Trip Curves
40:27 <Kuschelpony> its at least on the safe side
41:03 <Kuschelpony> i do know the tables of the european types like B C and K halfway in brain
41:40 <hsn> So which one slowest Kuschelpony
42:06 <Kuschelpony> depends on what you mean with "slow"
42:09 <Lemon> ok I see thanks
42:10 <electrohead> oh, shit, ok I got it, nevermind :D
42:33 <hsn> electrohead: woah didnt see that
42:35 <Lemon> about clearance in my little fixture, because stuff will be tight inside
42:42 <Kuschelpony> i think you mean which is least likely to trip on a short peak and thats the K type, but not because its been timely slow but because its designed for the highest peak rating
42:44 <Lemon> its not too important, as its "low" voltage ?
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43:25 <hsn> Kuschelpony: and fastest is z?
43:31 <Kuschelpony> second is C for about 5 to 8 times peak current and most sensitive is B with 3 to 5 times peak current
43:54 <Kuschelpony> all are the same kind of fast for short peaks, they differ on how high a peak is allowed
44:15 <Kuschelpony> z is special for control circuits where you have not much overcurrent available from the power supply
44:32 <Kuschelpony> not very different is a but thats even less coommon
45:09 <hsn> Kuschelpony: i had dc fuse for one design i had .. a PTC. . i thought it protect my npn transistors outputs
45:20 <Kuschelpony> if you have a dead short all of them will trip together when connected in series, none faster, but if you have a peak current of lets say 10 times then only B and C wil ltrip for going above their ratings while K stays
45:39 <Kuschelpony> ah a PTC is purely thermal so you can say fast or slow very right
46:01 <hsn> The bjt thing blows in few very short time .. and that thing never worked
46:29 <Kuschelpony> hmm, if i can afford i keep transistors just so oversized that an fast fuse can protect them, also makes cooling easier
47:12 <hsn> Kuschelpony: it was 14 output ..
47:48 <Kuschelpony> ok... a bit bigger...
47:50 <hsn> And i need ~100mA .. they can handle 500mA .. each .. ic was
48:05 <hsn> Ulnq2003
48:26 <Kuschelpony> hmm
48:34 <T3sl4> when halcyon comes back: https://i.imgur.com/vCA64RE.jpg
48:40 <Kuschelpony> i calculate tomorrow more, should have sleeping since two hours
48:51 <hsn> But a short circuit kills them before the ptc starts to think to start heating
48:51 * T3sl4 gives Kuschelpony a carrot
49:18 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, when Halcyon comes back he has to explain this to me first https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hk8A1ICdvA5K-QPk40taGsAmKl8CLKWL/view?usp=sharing
49:26 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
49:29 * hsn gives Ysjoelfir a kurwat
49:48 <T3sl4> good question
50:01 <T3sl4> oh no, the carrot knocked them offline
50:45 <hsn> Kurwat = kraut?
51:14 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: u ve somthing kurwaty on ur website right?
51:34 <rust_collector> he is not really polish
52:28 <Ysjoelfir> that is pretty much corect, yes
52:29 <Ysjoelfir> I think
52:33 <hsn> What's this "cdn ampera project" i see in lots of websites link
52:48 <Ampera> what
52:53 <rust_collector> click it and see?
53:03 <hsn> https://amp-reddit-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.reddit.com
53:08 <rust_collector> they are trying to clone an Ampera in canada
53:11 <hsn> Cdn.ampproject
53:42 <Ampera> why are you like this
53:45 <hsn> https://www.monsterinsights.com/docs/why-am-i-seeing-a-lot-of-amp-traffic-from-cdn-ampproject-org/
54:11 <hsn> There are lots of Ampera projects out there
54:27 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: https://i.imgur.com/ZFw5bGj.png
55:04 <Ysjoelfir> kurwa!
55:15 <Ysjoelfir> cyka blyat!
59:44 <Lemon> so for the mak fixture Ysjoelfir, is clearance between connectors a big issue ?
59:50 <Lemon> because it will be quite the tight fit !
00:25 <rust_collector> stick something in between?
01:17 <Lemon> well I will use heatshrink and hotglue to secure everything, maybe a piece of plastic or something is enough ?
01:27 <rust_collector> maybe
01:37 <Lemon> air by itself is a good insulator no, 1.5-3kv per cm if im right ?
01:43 <Lemon> I think I saw that somewhere
01:50 <T3sl4> mm innit?
03:10 <coppice_> Lemon: air is a very variable insulator. dry air is 3kV per mm, but damp air can be pretty bad
03:49 <Lemon> ok ! well anyway air is as a bonus insulator here Im not counting on it
03:59 <Lemon> I guess there will be around 1cm between each contacts
04:06 <Lemon> but they will be insulated by whatever
04:12 <Lemon> hot glue insulate well ? im curious
04:47 <T3sl4> i guess
07:21 <Lemon> rhode and schwarz sells a similar fixture Im building
07:28 <Lemon> for the cheap sum of 260 euros
07:38 <rust_collector> that is not so bad?
08:50 <Lemon> dude thats two outlets, 4 shrouded connectors, and a fuse in a box
09:49 <rust_collector> so? that is not a bad price for a new one of those. I am almost sure it is also filled with hot glue
11:04 <Lemon> well no need as its dimensioned right, but common how much does it cost to build for them, 20 bucks ? 10 ?
11:08 <Lemon> thats a hugeass markup
11:29 <T3sl4> i mean, i can't build something like that at much of a profit
11:38 <rust_collector> they also have to do testing, and write papers, so someone can actually use them
11:51 <Lemon> yeah but you arent a big firm, having nice prices in bulk components
12:06 <Lemon> pfff idk about that tbh, its not a super complicated device
12:17 <Lemon> ofc there is some research
12:22 <Lemon> but surely not months of developpemen
12:27 <Lemon> t
12:35 <Lemon> up to 100 euros why not yeah
12:39 <Lemon> but 260 for that ? jeez
12:48 <rust_collector> if you want to use it in a large company, you can just forget using a shoe box with an outlet and some stuff. it has to be certified
13:45 <Lemon> yeah I know that
14:02 <Lemon> but still, theres lot of certified stuff thats way more complicated that surely cost less
14:41 <T3sl4> made in huge qty yes
14:49 <rust_collector> have you tried to buy rs stickers?
15:05 <Lemon> rs stickers ?
15:10 <rust_collector> r&s
15:21 <Lemon> nope, I have nothing rs
15:21 <T3sl4> a big co making hundreds of something still isn't much cost savings
15:26 <Lemon> heres an example https://fr.rs-online.com/web/p/oscilloscopes/2005279/?cm_mmc=FR-PLA-DS3A-_-google-_-PLA_FR_FR_Test_%26_Mesure_Whoop-_-(FR:Whoop!)+Oscilloscopes-_-2005279&matchtype=&aud-830986524469:pla-303080419854&gclid=CjwKCAjwkN6EBhBNEiwADVfya3Wrq3jCc0EAJWsH0pHSQ3ilpNt1s2mziaMzLK_apTFAMZs5mphayRoCCwgQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
15:31 <Lemon> for two of those boxes you have this
15:33 <T3sl4> 100k's of something, sure
16:02 <Lemon> I know its a quantity/making ratio
16:07 <Lemon> but im sure they sell a lot of those boxes
16:10 <Lemon> and even then
16:32 <Lemon> how much cost a good shrouded connector for us, customers, 10-15 euros each ?
16:38 <Lemon> for them its what, 1, 2 euros ?
16:43 <Lemon> then the type f plug
16:48 <Lemon> then a fuse with a holder
16:52 <Lemon> the box, the design, etc
17:03 <Lemon> paying people that took maybe what, a week or two to design it
17:15 <Lemon> I dont know but when I see a nice scope at 500 euros
17:24 <Lemon> 260 euros for that little thing seems insanely expensive
18:57 <rust_collector> you can probably get 4 for 1000
19:09 <Lemon> I hope lol
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23:40 <Ampera> ew, GPL
24:09 <electrohead> can't fucking please everyone
24:17 <rust_collector> hmm, ok, go on
24:24 * electrohead pleases Ampera
24:26 <electrohead> lol
24:33 <Ampera> I doubt it
24:36 <electrohead> :P
24:36 <rust_collector> that is one. it will do
24:55 <electrohead> what's wrong with GPL, though?
25:02 * electrohead grabs the popcorn
25:17 <Ampera> I tend to prefer permissive licenses.
25:18 <Ampera> That's all
25:37 <T3sl4> and vice versa
26:12 <T3sl4> (can't please everyone fucking)
26:21 <electrohead> lmfao
26:32 <electrohead> example of a permissive license?
26:32 <Ampera> can't everyone please fuck?
26:37 <Ampera> BSD
26:45 <electrohead> we'd all like to fuck, lol
27:05 <T3sl4> EEVBot: give fuck to electrohead
27:05 <electrohead> and, more importantly, what's the difference between GPL and BSD?
27:05 * EEVBot hands fuck to electrohead
27:29 <Ampera> GPL is a massive license that is insanely hard to understand, the BSD licenses are simple enough anyone can understand it
27:43 <electrohead> well that explains a lot, lol
27:55 <Ampera> when I license my code I prefer to know exactly what the terms of the license are, and GPL is beyond my feeble comprehension
28:11 <T3sl4> or you could just
28:13 <T3sl4> y'know
28:15 <Ampera> permissive licenses also make it so most people don't have to worry about 99% of what they do with my code
28:16 <T3sl4> not be ignorant
28:39 <electrohead> I honestly don't care if some uses the code, just a mention back would be nice, that's it
28:44 <electrohead> and, that's all I care about, really
28:59 <Ampera> With the GPL, all derivatives /must/ be licensed like
28:59 <electrohead> I guess I should have just did the IDGAF license or something, heh
29:00 <Ampera> er, alike
29:23 * T3sl4 copies electrohead left
29:24 <Ampera> there's a bunch of other terms of what can or cannot be done with the software, binary/code
29:37 * electrohead tosses T3sl4 a guiness
29:55 <electrohead> alright, so y'all think I should change it to BSD, then?
30:07 <rust_collector> nope
30:11 <T3sl4> no
30:18 <Ampera> It's hard to say, because you are also using components license LGPL, and I'm not sure how those operate
30:21 <Ampera> but it's your code
30:23 <Ampera> do what you want
30:26 <T3sl4> use the license that suits you best
31:35 <electrohead> that's the thing, though - I honestly just don't give a shit about licensing, let alone understand why there are so many different licenses, etc etc
31:51 <electrohead> then again, if I don't put some sort of license there, then people will do fuck all with the code
32:06 <Ampera> it's a debate that probably predates software in general
32:06 * electrohead runs away, jerks off, and hides in a bush
32:19 <rust_collector> sticky bush
32:34 <Ampera> There's mostly opinions, and a lot of assholes trying to force people to think like they do
32:53 <electrohead> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
33:05 <T3sl4> assholes like Ampera
33:06 <electrohead> love that, btw, thanks Ampera lol
33:42 <Ampera> The principle of copyleft is noble, in that is ensures free software is and always will be free, but I make the argument that freedom through restrictions is self defeating.
34:18 * electrohead shoots himself in the face with a super soaker
34:55 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/Qh1wGiv.gif
35:07 <electrohead> LOL, I'm saving that
35:10 <electrohead> thanks, man
36:00 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/lpXvOYm.gif
38:29 <hsn> https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/chinese-scientists-discussed-weaponising-coronavirus-in-2015-report-2438321
38:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - Chinese Scientists Discussed Weaponising Coronavirus In 2015: Report
38:49 <electrohead> `op
38:59 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o electrohead
38:59 <rust_collector> OP!!!!
39:25 <rust_collector> I think we have to ban hsn
39:34 <EEVBot> Licenses are gay
39:34 <hsn> Me?
39:44 <hsn> I didnt do it
39:44 <rust_collector> let me vote
40:06 <rust_collector> exactly, why didn't you do it?
41:09 Mode: (by electrohead) -o electrohead
41:17 <EEVBot> Licenses are gay.
41:40 <electrohead> sorry, just testing something right fast
42:17 <electrohead> cool, everything works nice
43:24 <electrohead> EEVBot: help
43:34 <hsn> electrohead: or mit license
43:41 <rust_collector> HALP! HALP!
43:52 <hsn> Mit is used alot i think
43:53 <electrohead> rust_collector: ?
44:01 <hsn> rust_collector: u drunk today?
44:03 <hsn> XD
44:04 <electrohead> yeah that's right, I forgot about that one
44:05 <rust_collector> I thought I was bot
44:16 <electrohead> EEVBot: slap rust_collector
44:16 * EEVBot viciously slaps rust_collector with an enormous smelly trout
44:22 <hsn> rust_collector: hand electrohead beer
44:28 <rust_collector> eew!
45:02 * rust_collector throws nasty beer from new zealand on electrohead 
46:02 <electrohead> I actually just tried a "New Zealand IPA" last night
46:13 <electrohead> made here in the states
46:21 <electrohead> I didn't taste anything special, though
46:25 <rust_collector> uh-huh
47:07 <rust_collector> I used to chat a bit with a guy from NZ, who worked for some brewery or something
18:33 <Lemon> hmmm a guy on ebay sells some fluke 27/FM for 50-60 euros delivered depending on state
18:43 <Lemon> those were quite nice if I remember right, for military
18:48 <Lemon> true rms, 0.1% accuracy
18:59 <Lemon> and it got shrouded connectors, to go with my ac clamp
19:37 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/233966814281?hash=item3679824449:g:8f0AAOSwRYJgdq9M
19:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fluke 27 / Fm Multimètre #41 | eBay
19:40 <Lemon> I quite like it
20:36 <Lemon> they look sturdy
20:43 <rust_collector> heh, they are
22:25 <Lemon> I will look for the model in the best condition
22:29 <Lemon> if you want to help me :>
22:32 <Lemon> he got tons
23:00 <rust_collector> will it go to a million zeros?
23:17 <rust_collector> I mean, will it measure everything you want it to?
23:49 <Lemon> ho yes pretty much, AC/DCI, AC/DCU, continuity, true rms as a bonus, shrouded connectors for that clamp etc
24:08 <Lemon> and 0.1% is perfect for 3.5 digits, it means its as accurate as it can display stuff
24:53 <rust_collector> ac and dc to a level you need? does it measure 0.0000micro-millis?
25:14 <rust_collector> it is probably a great meter, for more electrician style things
25:17 <Lemon> I think it got a uA scale which is fine
25:20 <Lemon> well thats what I want
25:35 <Lemon> I need minimum a good mA range, to use the clamp at 1-5amp range
25:42 <Lemon> so if it goes lower/higher as a bonus thts nicec
25:54 <Lemon> it will be for the times when I cant measure something at my bench, basically
26:08 <Lemon> so I want something reliable, sturdy with a decent accuracy for what it is
26:18 <Lemon> and if you want digits btw https://www.ebay.fr/itm/233724111848?hash=item366b0aebe8:g:9UAAAOSw7vRfbJna
26:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - WAVETEK Datron Fluke 4805 Multimètre Calibrateur avec option 90 | eBay
26:21 <Lemon> he got all the digits
27:12 <rust_collector> oooh, look at this thing: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/224188202106
27:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Graseby Optronics S370 Optometer Mètre #2 | eBay
27:13 <Ampera> I got iLO's remote console working on my server
27:14 <Ampera> neat
27:39 Quit: mikjaer ([email protected]) Connection closed
27:54 <electrohead> screenshot/picture?
27:56 <Lemon> nice ampera, do all the things now !
28:02 <Lemon> rust_collector what is dis
28:19 <rust_collector> Lemon i AM NOT FRENCH!!!
28:38 <Lemon> its written in english
28:44 <Lemon> just turn .fr in .com
28:46 <rust_collector> sssh
29:10 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/233397280092
29:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - RHODE & SCHWARZ réflexion compteur Pan 392.4017.04 #2 | eBay
29:21 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/12ql3hd
29:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - prnt.sc | 520: Web server is returning an unknown error
29:26 <rust_collector> so much thing
30:00 <Ampera> works pretty well
30:10 <Lemon> thats some obscure stuff
31:06 <electrohead> Ampera: lol, I thought there was going to be more to see
31:11 <electrohead> still though, nice :)
31:14 <Ampera> like what
31:23 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/324570538922?hash=item4b91e963aa:g:v5wAAOSwqYFgdq9S this one looks to be the best in his inventory
31:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fluke 27/FM Multimeter #35 | eBay
31:34 <Lemon> I found one at 50 something but without the stand
31:39 <Lemon> and I feel I'll regret not having it
31:58 <electrohead> not sure :p
32:07 <rust_collector> I never use the stand for anything
32:15 <Lemon> yeah ?
32:24 <Lemon> I miss it on the little fluke 101
32:32 <Lemon> but its round
32:35 <Lemon> well, rounded edges
32:39 <Lemon> so it doesnt fit on things
33:14 <Lemon> 56 to 63 euros, not a big difference anyway
34:54 <rust_collector> not bad, for a 35 year old meter
35:22 <Lemon> yeah
35:34 <Lemon> they were pretty high end back then
35:38 <Lemon> and imo hold up quite well
35:53 <Lemon> if you want something made as well as this with those functions/accuracy
35:58 <Lemon> im sure its gonna be expensive
36:08 <rust_collector> that guy has a lot of weird stuff
36:42 <Lemon> yeah
39:39 <rust_collector> do you need a fiberoptic power meter?
39:56 <Lemon> not yet I guess
40:01 <rust_collector> it looks very handy, and ooh so cheap
41:35 <rust_collector> I like this box: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/232405408998
41:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - HP/Agilent 6235 A Triple Output DC Power Supply | eBay
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44:06 <steve30> EEVBot quote
44:07 <EEVBot> Half a bee's dick.
44:07 Quit: modrobert ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
44:33 <rust_collector> squeak squeak squeak
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45:57 <Lemon> continuity tester looks quite fast
50:51 <Lemon> im quite impressed by that meter
50:54 <Lemon> it looks beefy
51:07 <Lemon> and it looks watertight, not proof but resistant
51:20 <Lemon> as theres orings for the battery compartment for example
51:21 <rust_collector> yes, it says so in the specs
51:27 <Lemon> you can access the two big fuses
51:32 <Lemon> I think im sold
51:45 <Lemon> hold function is nice too
51:49 <hsn> electrohead, r u here?
51:57 <Lemon> its not a "press hold to get a reading" when you are probing something
52:00 <electrohead> Yes
52:09 <rust_collector> why?
52:09 <Lemon> you press hold once, you probe something, then it reads and keeps it
52:11 <Lemon> thats perfect
52:37 <rust_collector> yes, we are so happy you are here electrohead
52:47 <rust_collector> rub rub, squeak squeak
52:48 <electrohead> why? lol
52:53 <rust_collector> I dunno?
53:28 <rust_collector> it must be your positive...somethingsomething, balhblah
53:40 <Lemon> 3200 counts is nice too
53:47 <Lemon> and bargraph
53:52 <Lemon> it really had a ton of features for its time
54:07 <rust_collector> Lemon did you plan to say anything to electrohead, or do you just try to keep him awake?
54:25 <Lemon> I can say hello :>
54:35 <rust_collector> DEAL!
55:05 * electrohead is confused
55:18 <Ysjoelfir> mr head! \o/
55:22 * Ysjoelfir hugs electrohead
55:24 <rust_collector> Lemon say hello to electrohead
55:54 * electrohead gets hugged
56:03 <electrohead> I'm still confused, though, lol
56:08 * electrohead hugs Ysjoelfir
56:25 <rust_collector> embrace the confusion
56:33 <rust_collector> this is the time of not knowing
56:46 <rust_collector> we are all together in this wonderful
57:08 <rust_collector> I mean that as a thing on its own, a wonderful
57:25 <hsn> electrohead, im trying to run the bot on some testing channel
57:53 <rust_collector> did you log in to ti first?
58:50 <hsn> twitter ?
59:17 <hsn> well i commented some of twitter code to get it off .. just to run the irc
59:30 <rust_collector> it was a yes or no question. do what you want, see if you get banned or not
59:38 <electrohead> ok, first of all there are the twitter credentials you need, and then the IRC nick and password
00:10 <electrohead> second, what network are you trying it on?
00:27 <hsn> ** CTCP - incognito.or.us.austnet.org - TIME
00:27 <hsn> ** CTCP - AustNet-Def - VERSION
00:34 <hsn> it shows me this in python console
00:47 <rust_collector> #rental.excavator un abovenet
00:56 <electrohead> what nick did you change it to?
01:02 <hsn> yes
01:12 <electrohead> yes?
01:14 <electrohead> what nick did you change it to?
01:16 <rust_collector> it is a very small excavator, with an amiga, running irc
01:18 <hsn> irc_server = "irc.austnet.org"
01:18 <hsn> irc_port = 6667
01:19 <hsn> irc_channel = "#eevblog101test"
01:19 <hsn> irc_nick = "EEVBot-0hsn"
01:19 <hsn> irc_usrname = "EEVBot-0hsn"
01:19 <hsn> irc_ircname = "EEVBot-0hsn"
01:29 <electrohead> !paste
01:30 <EEVBot> Paste services: http://ix.io/ - http://sprunge.us/ - https://www.pastebin.com/
01:50 <electrohead> please don't paste many lines of text at once
04:39 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir do you know someone who needs this: https://bit.ly/2R5ABtm
04:40 <EEVBot> Is your name rust_collector, or something?
04:50 <electrohead> LOL
04:53 <rust_collector> it is something
04:54 <electrohead> hahahahahaha
05:16 <electrohead> I added some code before, that if you paste a bit.ly URL, that's what it returns
05:16 <EEVBot> Is your name rust_collector, or something?
05:23 <electrohead> :p
05:37 <steve30> bit.ly hello
05:37 <EEVBot> Is your name rust_collector, or something?
05:43 <steve30> hehe
05:48 <electrohead> :P
05:57 * electrohead laughs and sips his beer
06:23 <hsn> bit.ly bot vibrates the rusty guy
06:23 <EEVBot> Is your name rust_collector, or something?
06:49 <Ysjoelfir> lol
07:25 <hsn> electrohead, evil laugh ..
07:41 <hsn> https://youtu.be/pVY1-v97Mic
07:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Evil Laugh
16:44 <rust_collector> hmmm
16:56 <rust_collector> bit.
17:41 <rust_collector> Lemon what is mb called in french, like flash drives and such. mo, I think?
17:55 <Lemon> yeah, octet = byte
18:01 <rust_collector> ah
18:30 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir so, do you know anyone who needs this? https://longurlmaker.com/go?id=6URLFwdURL004faraway012extensiveShortlinks11ShredURLRubyURL1espreadZoutelongated9181UlimitSnipURL497Fly2x7ablingering131remote1farZreachingtganglingFly295oUlimit184vad191TightURL001ShortenURLFwdURLdlankyYATUC4lankyGetShorty57d7bShrinkURL9GetShortystretchedRubyURL1aprolonged9aBeamZto60URLPieShredURLd0dURLcutSitelutions4aURLCutterprotractedspunZout307elo
18:30 <rust_collector> tedlnkZin167A2N10stretchingqSHurlFwdURLoNotLongi09MyURLstretchedenduring098152e0G8Lfabn0runningDecentURLlankyt06TinyLinkPiURLURLHawkelingeringlanky173high6stretchRedirxslengthenedlongish91flc154ShortenURL1Shrinkrm745418Fly20nkenduring2URLPiei465longishYATUCgreattowering0IsZgd0s09MyURLdprolonged4080sustainedf87dYepIt10dlengthenedremote43prolongedTightURLTinyURLTinyURL3A2N9e01greateMyURLf061sustained1RedirxShredURLv108elongatetoweri
18:31 <rust_collector> URLHawk6nTraceURLSimURL2stringy8LiteURLSitelutionsa1deep0lankylengthystretched00EzURLl201418dShortenURL0WapURLsloftyXilXZse10960GetShorty00x0v101dSHurlz0DigBig901yprotractedx1StartURLMinilien1prolonged3n11100q33n110SimURL1051BeamZtobhgreat0257f0faraway0187stringyDoiop0sustained878e100wSnipURLtowering88gbdb18c041Fly2rFly2Shorl4n4o07DecentURLf60f10a301URLa7kbn0Ne14ke9URLHawk01114lasting65URLHawk2farawayhighl46EasyURL2lingeringDecent
18:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - 301 Moved Permanently
18:35 <rust_collector> lengthened1distant0cstretching0dfaraway3URLZcoZukcb3elongate2vdrawnZout1spreadZoutxt3f070elongatec6kstretch6dd757protracted1fqz3enduring1U760TinyURL1lengthy30f7YATUCCanURLShrinkURL5farawayb019BeamZtosgreat0cUrlTeab1a9URLvideeprunning8stringyhigh4remoteclrTightURL1towering1remoteDwarfurl4TraceURLShorl8d8egangling3c0YATUC748sustainedgm87FwdURL003URLHawk05if0elongatedTraceURLShortURL9Doiop12enlarged0URlZie8nShorl8longish311expanded7a
18:40 <rust_collector> 0jgangling0dremotetowering6dhextensiveremotedistant71dLiteURL5A2Nv05spunZout5G8Le2b4SHurl11faraway510xNotLong6pfsustainedURLviybShrinkURL03elongatedFhURLrangy179lingering5d2URLcutlastinglingering80IsZgdfrangy5110ShortenURLx23stretched7d13998running5yMetamarkDecentURLNe15Shorl1gangling13asustainedShortURL1remote0410faraway1SHurlTinyURL701lingering6B65Xil00edShrtnd997912MyURL49dh4
18:47 <rust_collector> heh
18:49 <Ysjoelfir> rofl
18:50 <rust_collector> ok
18:52 <steve30> :)
18:57 <Ampera> I was just about to kick you
19:01 <Ampera> tempted to do it anyways
19:06 <Ampera> eh, too much effort
19:16 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think I know someone, no :D
19:27 <rust_collector> what a weird thing to see
19:31 <rust_collector> sell
19:37 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
19:44 <rust_collector> the rest is rf stuff and such
28:10 * steve30 watches mailbag
28:21 <electrohead> oh oh, I need to watch that, too
28:23 <electrohead> thanks
28:41 <rust_collector> sony 8mm data tapes... is that a thing anyone needs?
29:34 <Lemon> well I carefully looked at all his 27/fm and I think this one is the best https://www.ebay.fr/itm/324570538922
29:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fluke 27/FM Multimeter #35 | eBay
29:51 <Lemon> besides a war scar on the top of his head, he looks pretty new
30:41 <rust_collector> that was that. go buy it
31:01 <Lemon> yeah I'll just pray to not pay custom fees
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34:20 <Lemon> 66 euros in the end, delivered
34:24 <Lemon> heh thats nice I think
34:49 <Lemon> hope I wont pay 30-40 euros of customs, that'd suck
34:57 <Lemon> but at least its a nice, robust meter
35:08 <Lemon> accurate, that you can calibrate, with functions I want
37:55 <electrohead> my ass is going to lay down and watch mailbag, I'm taking a beer with
38:08 <rust_collector> have a good malebag
38:18 <Lemon> delete this
39:46 <hsn> EEVBot, jrny
41:34 <hsn> EEVBot, 0100001001100001011100110110010100110110001101000010000001101001011100110010000001101011011010010110111001100111
41:35 <EEVBot> hsn: nega-tory, ghost rider!
43:11 <rust_collector> not thinking that hsn-san
43:15 <hsn> b64enc Base64 is king
43:24 <hsn> EEVBot, b64enc Base64 is king
43:24 <EEVBot> Base64 encoded: QmFzZTY0IGlzIGtpbmc=
43:30 <hsn> EEVBot, b64enc is king
43:30 <EEVBot> Base64 encoded: aXMga2luZw==
43:44 <rust_collector> yeah, soon enough I will post screenshots in base64, as we used to
43:45 <hsn> rust_collector, im not sure what im doing :D
44:12 <hsn> rust_collector, type : eevbot jrny
44:25 <rust_collector> that is ok, no one does. but keep doing it
44:34 <rust_collector> EEVBot jrny
44:40 <hsn> see ?
44:45 <rust_collector> yeh
45:05 <hsn> now decode that thing ?
46:02 <rust_collector> right
46:35 <rust_collector> I thought you already had a different king?
46:47 <hsn> his majesty
48:17 <hsn> whats with palastine isreal again
48:26 <hsn> too much noise about it here
48:43 <rust_collector> eeh, well... it depends on how you see it
49:07 <hsn> well .. i mean how both are seeing it ?
50:13 <rust_collector> well, israel is building houses and taking over land that the palestinians say is theirs. and, the palestinians do not agree, I guess.
53:10 <rust_collector> it is a bit complicated
53:45 <hsn> So they are building houses or taking
54:30 <rust_collector> I think they are building a lot, but I don't know what the policy is this week
55:03 <Ampera> it's the current chapter in a story that goes back several thousand years
55:29 <Ampera> they say back then one guy took some other guy's rock, and then now they have all of this
55:56 <hsn> Ampera: its .. human stupidity
56:00 <rust_collector> yeah, it is a bit messy
56:51 <rust_collector> but you can go to saudi, and just build a city somewhere, and see what happens. just move a pile of people there
57:46 <hsn> The thing is that i dnt trust arab news .. well they basically will say their side of story which is "isreal is bad" .. but idk what the intro of this video is
57:53 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/tv/COmCcTHnEoS/
58:29 <hsn> I mean wtf the guy is stupid lol .. he shouldn't reply
59:50 <hsn> And anyways this palastine isreal story is waste of energy and time ... Fight until both of u die ... Just stop crying about it all the time
04:54 <rust_collector> in one way, I like the israelis. "the world" says, you have to fix this, and bring peace to blahblah, and they say, we can talk about it, and when they talk about it, they just say "nope"
06:17 <rust_collector> but I have to say that they should get it done one of these centuries. it is taking a bit of time
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23:03 <Halcyon> Mew
23:17 Quit: coppice_ ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
24:24 <Ysjoelfir> [22:49:18] <@Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, when Halcyon comes back he has to explain this to me first https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hk8A1ICdvA5K-QPk40taGsAmKl8CLKWL/view?usp=sharing
24:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
24:31 <Ysjoelfir> in other words, hi Halcyon :)
25:24 <rust_collector> helluuuuu
26:01 <DogWomble> looks like Constable Plod found the mummified remains of a cold case
27:31 <rust_collector> I think I have to share this picture again:
27:36 <rust_collector> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipO4POxjJsS6THz_7zLZt06PsZZpH7d1XiyyVSO1Hp0RkwRC9bNFiccMvlGSCJ1jFA/photo/AF1QipNK6988W3nHCSvNlAaE87gH8QY08oECbFRf3PnI?key=eUkxZXNWUzJxQXcyX0tjQm1hS3BPemx2Y1g5MDFB
27:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Google Photos
27:57 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
28:04 <rust_collector> I am not sure why I still have that open in a tab. it has been there for weeks now
28:06 <Ysjoelfir> so you still didn't steal that surface plate?
28:18 <rust_collector> no, did not go to france yet
28:57 <rust_collector> I guess I have to go visit the guy when I need something flat
29:12 <rust_collector> "can I borrow your toilet"
30:06 <Halcyon> What the hell Ysjoelfir ?
30:38 <Halcyon> Hehe also hi
30:40 <Halcyon> :P
30:42 <Ysjoelfir> yes. what the fuck happened there? XD
30:48 <Halcyon> No fucking idea
31:28 <rust_collector> they are just waiting for the fire department to come and saw his leg off
32:24 <rust_collector> you know, the car has insurance, that guy does not....
34:09 <Halcyon> Heh
39:24 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
40:03 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
40:05 <Halcyon> How are you?
40:11 <Ampera> annoyed
40:19 <Halcyon> Why annoyed?
40:27 <Ampera> modular connectors are fucking expensive and I bought two different sets and they're both fucking garbage
40:35 <rust_collector> it is jsut me, nothing to worry about
40:41 <Halcyon> What kind of modular connectors?
40:43 <Ampera> one bag the connectors fuck right off and miss the wires every single time
40:45 <Ampera> 8P8C
40:50 <Halcyon> Ah
41:13 <Ampera> the other bag the clearance is way too damn tight (meant for 5e and I'm using 6 with a plastic thing in the center) so you have to get it just right for it to even make contact
41:41 <Ampera> I have one good cable, and I have the big long one that's hopefully good
41:42 <Halcyon> The conductors for 6 should be the same as 5e off the top of my head
41:52 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 all
41:57 <Halcyon> Night Ysjoelfir
42:04 <Ampera> they are, but the 6 I've got has a big plastic core in the middle of the cable
42:07 <Ampera> like a cross shaped thing
42:14 <Halcyon> Yeh, you're cutting that off right?
42:15 <rust_collector> nighty night
42:24 <Ysjoelfir> btw, for the records: I have been awake for..... 45 hours now. fascinating. gn8
42:29 <Ampera> so it's just the right kinda stupid to where no matter how far down you cut it, it's just tall enough to fuck shit up
42:35 <Ampera> since the modular connectors are way too damn tight
42:43 <Halcyon> Very odd
42:53 <Ampera> I have to agree with coppice, these are the worst fucking connectors ever
43:11 <Ampera> I should have bought the push through type, so that way I can at least make the wires as long as I want and just cut them off
43:35 <Ampera> I think I spent like 30 bucks easy on all of these connectors and I only have 75 of them
43:42 <Ampera> I have no idea why they're so fucking expensive
44:54 <Halcyon> Beats me
45:00 <Halcyon> I didn't think they were that expensive
45:25 <Halcyon> I stopped making my own cables many years ago. I just buy pre-made
45:53 <Ampera> I could have sworn I looked on amazon and they were more expensive
45:55 <Ampera> but apparently not
47:04 <steve30> hi
47:27 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
48:02 <Ampera> bought some ones that aren't shit on Amazon, 50 pack for 16 bucks
48:08 <Ampera> and they're the push through type
48:18 <Ampera> might be here tomorrow
48:28 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/635631712113786890/840939818648993822/20210509_091329.jpg
49:23 <Halcyon> Very neat
49:41 <steve30> i was going to go out on the bike, but i'm not sure i can be bothered
50:17 <Ampera> what about hot and bothered
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52:15 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/vCA64RE.jpg
52:41 <Halcyon> Heheh
52:43 <Halcyon> Clever bird
54:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MKNTSzftCA
54:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: don’t fear the reaper
55:22 <Halcyon> The bird sings better than some singers
55:40 <Ampera> you mean most
55:47 <Halcyon> True
56:20 <Ampera> I need to get myself an electric guitar that doesn't suck ass one of these days
57:33 <alfbaz> hi all
57:43 <Ampera> nobody's named all here
57:44 <Ampera> you're crazy
57:45 <Halcyon> I should mow the lawn, but I can't be bothered
57:55 <alfbaz> Ampera, I rue the day I sold my floral GEM777
57:58 <Ampera> I thought you were gay, Halcyon
58:07 <Halcyon> ?
58:14 <Ampera> mowing people's lawns?
58:21 <Halcyon> You're weird
58:28 <Ampera> you knew this when you bought me
58:39 <Halcyon> Heheh well since I own you, you come mow my lawn
58:58 <Ampera> I'm busted out of warranty period, don't worry, I'll get right on that
59:14 <Ampera> your house will be mowed down right spiffy
59:30 <Ampera> How are you doing alfbaz?
59:43 <alfbaz> Good thanks Ampera
59:54 <alfbaz> and you?
00:29 <Ampera> Irritated/ing
01:08 <alfbaz> what's causing tjat, halcyon?
01:12 <alfbaz> :P
01:42 <Ampera> shitty modular connectors
02:22 <Ampera> you see these companies have a system. They sell you shitty modular connectors for way too fucking much, but just low enough to where you'd waste more time going back to the store dealing with returning the fucking things than they're worth
02:29 <Halcyon> Hm?
02:37 <Ampera> so you buy more shitty things, and the cycle repeats
02:45 <Halcyon> Don't buy shitty things
02:51 <Ampera> says the guy who bought me
03:04 <Halcyon> Meh, I keep you around for the laughs
03:07 <alfbaz> I tend to buy nice things and make them shitty
03:09 <Halcyon> You were cheap anyway :P
04:12 <Ampera> to quote that guy from FMJ, I am in a world of shit
06:25 <Halcyon> I should go pack the dishwasher
06:30 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/12qr3m3
06:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - prnt.sc | 520: Web server is returning an unknown error
06:31 <Ampera> hehehehehe
06:49 <Halcyon> Gees
06:56 <Halcyon> That uses more than my entire rack
07:04 <Ampera> do you know what it's doing, too?
07:14 <Halcyon> Keeping your basement warm?
07:25 <Ampera> that's about it
07:40 <Halcyon> I have a few old Dell PowerEdge servers which are probably just as bad
07:53 <Ampera> at idle?
08:10 <Halcyon> Probably, I haven't used them in many years, they are that old they still use SCSI drives
08:22 <Ampera> so do most servers...
08:30 <Halcyon> No, as in, not SAS
08:35 <Ampera> but SAS is SCSI
08:35 <Halcyon> Ultrawide SCSI
09:34 <Halcyon> An no one refers to SAS drives as "SCSI drives"
09:50 <Halcyon> Unless of course you're retarded, which you are
11:00 <Halcyon> Anyway back to power consumption, my entire house is drawing just under 1 kW at the moment
11:06 <Halcyon> And I have the washing machine on
11:21 <Halcyon> About 400-500 of that is my rack
11:27 <Ampera> I'm trying to run a stress test to see how much power I can get it to draw
11:41 <Halcyon> What are the PSU rated at? 1100 watts?
12:31 <Ampera> 1200W each
12:35 <Ampera> 4 supplies
13:08 <Ampera> and that PDU I built is made so it can max out each of them if it wants to
14:28 <Ampera> there we go, I'm compressing something on all cores to /dev/null
15:52 <Ampera> https://prnt.sc/12qrgo7 honestly I'm not that impressed
15:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - prnt.sc | 520: Web server is returning an unknown error
16:58 <Ampera> Yeah I can't get it to go over a kw
20:21 <Ampera> damn
20:25 <Ampera> my max was 982
31:30 <Halcyon> Probably not a bad thing :P
32:14 <Halcyon> Also, I'm assuming you can essentially halve the total capacity of all those PSUs since they are designed to be redundant
32:31 <Halcyon> 1 or 2 power supplies should be able to cop the full load
39:33 * Halcyon spanks Ampera
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41:54 <Halcyon> Welcome Taclair
42:09 * steve30 meows at Halcyon 
42:17 <Halcyon> Heya Steve :)
42:19 <Taclair> Good day
42:33 <Halcyon> It's a bit early in the morning for you isn't it Steve?
42:51 <steve30> nope
43:01 <Halcyon> It's almost 0300 ?
43:17 <Halcyon> Oh yay, my solar is producing 6 kW
43:25 <Halcyon> Not bad for shitty autumn
43:44 * steve30 produced about 9kWh yesterday
44:27 <Taclair> This is a bit new to me, and perhaps the forums would be a better place to start. But i figured i'd give this a go. Hope someone could bear with me for a few questions
44:29 <Halcyon> I did around the same, although it was partly cloudy and I used most of it
44:50 <Halcyon> On a bright autumn day, it's up around the 18-20 kWh
45:08 <Halcyon> Sure Taclair, always happy to have new members, especially on IRC
46:01 <Taclair> I'm starting to poke around with some electronics repair. One part because i want to make things last, which seems to be a challenge these days. The second part is due to interest.
46:15 <Taclair> I work in electrical/controls so i have some background on these things, but nothing electronics side
46:38 <Halcyon> I'll try to help out as best I can, but I'm not an EE, there are several here who are, but they might be asleep (since they are mostly from the US)
46:39 <Taclair> I have a
46:58 <Halcyon> But ask away anyway, someone might know
47:48 <alfbaz> I'm a sqrt(EE)
47:54 <Taclair> "patient" right now that needs some fixing. A small ethernet router. I don't want to be a bother in regards to troubleshooting it, but hoping to get some direction on where to start either educating myself & a few logic based thigns to work through
48:16 <Halcyon> What's wrong with it?
48:24 <Taclair> Fat fingered the enter key. should have read "I have a patient..."
49:32 <Taclair> When powered, the LED indicator on the power adapter goes out immediately. I spliced the cable apart and measured voltage on my meter. Plugged in it is providing 0VDC, unplugged to the router is 19VDC. Which is the rating
49:51 <Halcyon> Sounds like a short to me?
49:52 <Taclair> I had a second power adapter which i swapped in. same
50:11 <Taclair> Yes. I thought the same
50:18 <Halcyon> Did the router get damaged by lightning or anything?
50:21 <Taclair> I opened the router and inspected the board
50:25 <Taclair> nothing obvious
50:49 <Taclair> Not sure about lightning etc. Haven't had anything like that in sometime so i think not
50:59 <Taclair> Just coming out of winter around here
51:39 <Taclair> Probably go through the board further with a magnifing glass
51:45 <Taclair> I presume is the next step
52:17 <T3sl4> you might not see anything. the adapter probably doesn't deliver much power when it's shorted (does it make a ticking sound?)
52:33 <Halcyon> Well the issue is somewhere on the power input right? I guess start at the connector and work your way inward, measure and look for obvious shorts to start with?
52:47 <Taclair> No sound from the adapter.
52:59 <Halcyon> T3sl4 is one of our resident clever people
53:00 <T3sl4> i would guess cracked ceramic capacitor, or burned tantalum if they even used any, or shorted regulator(s)
54:00 <Taclair> Ok. There is a capacitor immediately after the power supply. 470uF. When i attempt to meter it out I get OL. I did check my meter-- rated to 1000uF
54:57 <Halcyon> As a noob, can you measure caps in-circuit T3sl4 ?
55:13 <T3sl4> not really
55:23 <Taclair> Ok, that answers that.
55:39 <T3sl4> more to the point, if it measures like 0.3 ohms or whatever, then that
56:16 <Halcyon> And that would be bad because... ?
56:17 <Taclair> Could you expand? I get 3.0 ohms across it
56:19 <Halcyon> (I'm learning too)
56:54 <Taclair> Also, as an aside. If there is a clearly written beginners book on troubleshooting this sort of stuff- i'd appreciate the recommendation
57:23 <Taclair> A few of the books i've looked into.. needed editing for clarity
57:29 <Halcyon> There's an idea T3sl4, become an author. "EE by Timmeh"
57:41 <T3sl4> uh, beats me, i haven't read that sort of stuff in decades :P
58:13 <T3sl4> Halcyon: there is an excellent series of EE books by /a/ Tim Williams (no relation) ;)
58:45 <Halcyon> Link?
58:46 <Halcyon> :P
59:30 <alfbaz> If you already have an electrical background an excellent starter book is Practical Electronics For Inventors by Paul Scherz and Simon Monk
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00:26 <alfbaz> Hell if you don't have an electrical background that book is excellent
00:41 <Taclair> TY alfbaz. Amazoned it
01:05 <Halcyon> Where you from Taclair if you don't mind me asking?
01:22 <Taclair> Alberta Canada
01:33 <Halcyon> Nice
02:20 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.amazon.com/Circuit-Designers-Companion-Tim-Williams/dp/0750663707 it sounds a little advanced for present topic though :P
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02:52 <Halcyon> Now next question T3sl4, did you actually write it?
03:06 <Halcyon> I couldn't tell by the winky face
03:13 <Taclair> @T3sl4 I will add it to my wishlist. Once I get to that level one day
03:45 <T3sl4> i did say "no relation" Halcyon
04:12 <Halcyon> Yes, followed by a wink. So I'm not sure if you were just playing with me or not :P
05:39 <alfbaz> This sounds like foreplay, hangon a minute lemme get my camera :P
05:51 <Halcyon> Hah
06:04 <Halcyon> I wish, T3sl4 is nothing more than a prick tease
06:12 <alfbaz> LMAO
06:21 <Halcyon> He gets the gays all tizzed up then runs away
07:20 * Ampera stabs Halcyon with a rusty icicle
07:28 * T3sl4 licks Ampera
07:45 * Ampera stabs T3sl4 with another, smarter, cuter, weirder T3sl4 
07:52 <T3sl4> \o/
07:55 <Halcyon> Hahah
08:05 <Halcyon> It's getting weird again :P
08:17 <T3sl4> well, according to Halcyon, nothing could be cuter, but i'll accept the other things i guess?
08:34 <Halcyon> I never said that
08:39 <Ampera> see
08:50 <Ampera> even Halcyon, practically your husband, thinks you're ugly
09:05 <Halcyon> Bitch please
09:17 <Ampera> you're welcome
09:18 <Halcyon> T3sl4 has to work much harder than that :P
09:37 <Ampera> so it's a breadwinner you want then...
09:46 <Halcyon> No. I am the breadwinner.
10:01 <Halcyon> T3sl4 just sits around in his undies, tinkering with stuff and scratching himself
10:10 <alfbaz> I won some bread once :
10:19 <Halcyon> You "won" bread?
10:21 <Ampera> alfbaz, that sounds like a most wonderful competition
10:23 <Halcyon> How did this occur?
10:26 <Ampera> bread is delicious
10:29 <T3sl4> wait, my webcam isn't on, Halcyon
10:30 <Ampera> good bread anyways
10:46 <alfbaz> it was a bread raffle
10:57 <Ampera> T3sl4, well the one he hid is technically not /your/ webcam
11:06 <T3sl4> ah, true
11:09 * T3sl4 waves
11:12 <Halcyon> Where does one find a bread raffle?
11:17 <Halcyon> I assume this was a bakery?
11:18 <alfbaz> T3sl4, don't worry my cam's been rolling for awhile
11:44 <Ampera> my webcam is the size of a quite large potato
12:00 <alfbaz> It might of been a bread raffle it might not have, I was too pissed to remember:P
12:00 <Halcyon> Oh speaking of delicious things, Ampera, I went out for dinner last night and had the most amazing duck liver parfait
12:13 <T3sl4> potatos have eyes, so that makes sense
12:14 <Ampera> aren't parfaits usually desert items?
12:23 <Ampera> T3sl4, so do the walls
12:28 <T3sl4> and hills
12:29 <Halcyon> It's more of a textural thing
12:32 <Taclair> @Halcyon you OUT for dinner? Envy.
12:42 <T3sl4> well he's not closeted for dinner
12:46 <Ampera> I was out for lunch earlier today
12:51 <Halcyon> What do you mean Taclair ?
13:00 <Ampera> Halcyon, I thought it was a sort of layered yogurt, fruit, granola thing
13:06 <Halcyon> Usually yes
13:10 <Taclair> No open restaurants in this part of the world. Take out only :/
13:18 <T3sl4> where dat
13:19 <Ampera> how on earth does one make that out of duck liver
13:21 <Halcyon> Unless I was just too smashed and remembered the menu wrong...
13:40 <Halcyon> https://kingsleyssydney.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/KIN-Menu-March2021-Web.pdf
13:55 <Halcyon> Nope it was "parfait". I guess you could just call it a pate, but that's not a fancy? I dunno
13:57 <T3sl4> Ampera: i'm reminded of an old ep of Iron Chef where one of them makes fish guts ice cream or something like that?
14:18 <Halcyon> I also had the rock oysters, mud crab and sirloin
14:36 * T3sl4 serves Halcyon Ampera's rocky mountain oysters
14:36 <Ampera> Halcyon, all the photos I get are from micromeal bullshit sites, so it's probably some high end stupid thing
14:49 <Ampera> I'd totally try a rocky mountain oyster
14:50 <Halcyon> It was. I treated myself
15:12 <Ampera> good food should not be served in small quantities
15:15 <Ampera> no exceptions
15:17 <Halcyon> We didn't walk out of there for less than $600, mind you that was with drinks... many many drinks
15:57 <Ampera> you see, people almost upset at me for buying a power drain of a server and not having big plans for it
16:03 <Ampera> then you go out and spend 600 bucks on a dinner
16:23 <Ampera> I could probably feed a hundred people for that price
16:28 <T3sl4> Ampera: ten good foods however
17:40 <Ampera> what the fuck
17:45 <Ampera> bone in ribeye for 125 bucks
18:03 <Halcyon> It's *very* good
18:17 <alfbaz> bought a burger a wanky burger joint the other week, bastards charged me 20 bucks for it and it was shit
18:20 <Ampera> current conversion that's 100 USD
18:34 <Halcyon> I sent you a photo, you could see the city, it was very pretty
18:46 <Ampera> I don't care how good that is, I can go fucking mental in a supermarket for 100 bucks
19:43 <Halcyon> As I said, I treated myself. It's a "sometimes" thing
19:46 <Ampera> looks like a still out of a poorly lit future distopian film
19:48 <alfbaz> LOL food prices are insane here at the moment 100 bucks will get you 1 maybe 2 bags of stuff from the supermarket
20:08 <Halcyon> It was night time and I took it on my phone
20:11 <Halcyon> What more do you want?
20:25 <Ampera> I think the most I ever spent on groceries in my life was 250 bucks (US)
20:38 <Ampera> and I think I went to two stores and completely filled my cart
20:51 <Halcyon> I'll fill your cart Ampera
21:00 <Ampera> yeah you would, fatass
21:18 <Halcyon> Pfft
21:22 <Halcyon> My ass is pert
21:24 <alfbaz> the sexual tension here is immense
21:36 <Ampera> alfbaz, nobody here has escaped puberty yet
21:41 <Halcyon> Impossible alfbaz, Ampera is asexual
21:48 <Ampera> a sexual what?
21:49 <Ampera> deviant?
22:02 <alfbaz> I thought it was inescapable
22:33 <alfbaz> %20 was missing between the 2
22:41 <Halcyon> Stupid clouds, fuck off
22:46 <Halcyon> I'm trying to solarise
23:08 <steve30> I'm just investigating train prices to go to York. Nice to see that there is a choice of /seventeen/ different prices for a 20 minute single journey.
23:20 * alfbaz sends Halcyon al the Illawarra clouds
23:25 <Halcyon> Why steve30 ?
23:30 <Halcyon> How does that make sense?
23:40 <steve30> Because England.
23:47 <Halcyon> Good luck alfbaz, I'm 800 metres ASL
23:55 <Halcyon> You'll crash them into the mountain
24:00 <Ampera> steve30, which one includes a handsome young bag handler to fellate you for the entire journey
24:22 <Halcyon> I actually don't know how our trains work, since I haven't paid for one in over 12 years
24:40 <steve30> Ampera, you probably have to book that as an extra :p
25:07 <Ampera> Halcyon's A/S/L? 64/never/chained to a lamppost outside a retirement home
25:13 <Halcyon> Looks like ours are based on kilometers, with a capped price
25:29 <Halcyon> 64? Get fucked :P
25:39 <Halcyon> You can halve that just about thank you
25:51 <Ampera> 48?
25:55 <Ampera> sorry my math isn't very good
26:03 <Halcyon> That's not the only thing
27:01 <Ampera> The joke here is, for those not paying attention, is that Halcyon fears his own quickly approaching obsolescence
27:26 <Halcyon> The trains, buses, ferry and light rail here are all capped at a maximum of $16.10/day or $50 per week on weekdays, or $8.05 per day on a weekend/public holiday, for unlimited travel
27:39 <T3sl4> Ampera is projecting again
27:40 <Ampera> haha that's cute
27:42 <Halcyon> Same card gets you on all of them,
28:11 <alfbaz> is tha one of them opal things?
28:15 <Halcyon> Yep
28:15 <Ampera> the only good thing about our trains is they are the coziest fucking places in the middle of a hard dick winter
28:35 <Halcyon> I like the sound of your winters Ampera
28:47 <Ampera> good, then come over here and help shovel our winters
28:57 <Halcyon> I will once you come mow my lawn
29:11 <Ampera> you get a cracked split plastic shovel, no gloves, and you need to get creative where to put the snow
29:22 <Halcyon> Oh I know just where to put it
29:25 <steve30> It was only a couple of years ago that I learnt there was a differnece between a Return ticket and a Day Return.
29:32 <Halcyon> Let's just say you'll have a very moist and cold bed :P
29:56 <Halcyon> Sounds redundant Steve
29:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, you're supposed to take your dentures out when you go to bed, otherwise that happens
30:12 <Halcyon> :P
30:34 <steve30> Halcyon, Day return is valid on one day only. 'Return' is valid to travel outwards within a few days and come back within a month.
31:01 <Halcyon> So what's the point of having the "day return" then, when the other thing essentially does the same thing?
31:41 <steve30> On some routes you can only get one or the other. I'm guessing on some routes you can get a choice of both at different prices, but I don't know.
32:57 <Halcyon> It just sounds overly complex and needless to me
34:03 <alfbaz> I'm taking this out to the shed. Last wall to gyprock and then its on to the ceiling. I'll take some pics and post my progress
34:21 <T3sl4> don't get gypped
34:26 <Halcyon> Are you heating/air conditioning your shed alfbaz ?
34:41 <alfbaz> yes eventually, air con
34:47 <Halcyon> Nice
34:50 <steve30> If I want a single to York at 9:04 I can buy an advance ticket for either £11, £12, £13, £14, £15 or £17.40. If I want to go at anytime today I can get an Anytime ticket for either £19.50, £21.60, or £27.20.
34:57 <Halcyon> Insulated walls I'm assuming?
35:34 <steve30> If I'm posh and want to travel at 9:04 I can get an advance 1st class ticker for £19, £20, £20.80, £22, £23, £25.20, or £28.50
35:41 <alfbaz> the whole shed is insulated with that thin air cell stuff, the office has additional pink bats
36:03 <steve30> Or if I'm rich and want the flexibility to go at any time I can get a 1st class anytime for £29, £31, £58, or £62.
36:55 <Halcyon> We don't have different "classes" of rail with the exeption of some interstate services and overnight journeys
37:20 <Halcyon> But they are private operators, seperate from the government rail network
37:44 <alfbaz> steve30, didn't I read a New York ticket? If so I'm confused with the pounds
37:55 <Halcyon> York (UK)
37:56 <steve30> Bigger trains have 1st class carriages. On occasion, the tickets for that are cheaper, because.... But usually they're more expensive
38:05 <alfbaz> ahh
38:06 <steve30> alfbaz, no, York in England.
38:35 <Halcyon> Anyway, train tickets aside, what's in York that you're going for Steve?
40:22 <steve30> BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE! If I want to catch the 11:10 train, there's a choice of 27 different prices! Yes! Twenty Seven!
42:11 <Halcyon> That's bullshit Steve
42:25 <steve30> https://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/timesandfares/DON/YRK/today/0715/dep#outwardJump
42:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Journey Planner - Trains Times and Fares - National Rail Enquiries
43:22 <Halcyon> What a mish mash
43:23 <steve30> pick a journey, then click "other tickets"
43:31 <steve30> to see the options
43:42 <steve30> don't forget to click the + buttons to view all prices
44:56 <steve30> Anyway, What's in York? The twink guy off recon.com :p
45:30 <Halcyon> Ooooh
45:31 <Halcyon> :P
46:03 <steve30> I see National rail enquiries are a bit more polite now and just say "thankyou for wearing a face covering"
46:22 <steve30> A while back they said something like "British transport police are issuing fines of up to £6000 to make your journey safer"
48:04 <Halcyon> Rude
48:43 <Halcyon> We've been told to exercise "compliance" as opposed to "enforcement"
01:58 <steve30> So you don't give people fines to make them safer?
04:16 <Halcyon> The point is, it less about the fines and more about getting people to do the right thing
04:27 <Halcyon> But if they carry on like Karen's, fuck em
19:04 <steve30> Is travelling to hook up with a cute twink an acceptable excuse for travelling? :p
19:18 <Halcyon> You can't travel Steve?
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22:42 <steve30> tbh I haven't got a clue what the law is at the moment. I gave up paying attention last year.
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43:14 <steve30> xhamster is wishing me a Happy Mother's Day
43:26 <Halcyon> Aww :)
45:27 <alfbaz> Better late than never!
50:58 <alfbaz> what is it with work benches? The minute you set one up, it's covered in crap!
51:07 <Halcyon> Hahaha
02:39 <steve30> i think i'll go to bed soon
02:55 <Halcyon> It's almost time to get up Steve!
03:16 <Halcyon> Is it still dark at your place? I assume so since it's very light here
03:19 <steve30> so get up then
03:29 <steve30> its getting light now
03:40 <Halcyon> Creepy, we are looking at the same sun :P
03:58 <Halcyon> Which is only pushing about 2-3 kW
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07:57 <steve30> My solar will be putting out 0W atm
08:29 <Halcyon> 3.8 kW
08:47 <Halcyon> But it's going to go behind tree/horizon within the next hour or two
08:51 <Halcyon> *trees
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41:52 <Halcyon> https://drivemehungry.com/spicy-szechuan-noodles-with-garlic-chili-oil/
41:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Spicy Szechuan Noodles with Garlic Chili Oil - Drive Me Hungry
41:56 <Halcyon> They look amazing
59:42 <alfbaz> good on you! now I'm looking at food recipies :P
03:12 <Halcyon> I really want noodles now
05:00 <alfbaz> just reminded me of a papadeli dish I like, might have for tea tonight
05:22 <alfbaz> https://www.goodchefbadchef.com.au/our-recipe/prawn-and-chorizo-pappardelle/
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05:47 <alfbaz> lol at eevbot
05:47 <Halcyon> Ohh yes
06:00 <Halcyon> Simple but delicious
06:15 <alfbaz> given my heart evenet the chorizo might make it forbiden for me :P
06:46 <Halcyon> Swap it out with ham
07:31 <alfbaz> there's a knob of butter, combined with the lemon zest, it's just deleicous. Made it before
08:02 <alfbaz> ham... the wog in me forbids it :P
08:45 <alfbaz> love my chorizo
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10:36 <Halcyon> What about pancetta?
10:36 <alfbaz> parents never got into it but as kids we'd go visit people that were, I'd grab a knife, sneak into their basements/garages and go sick on their hanging cured meats :P
11:03 <alfbaz> Mmm yes!
11:54 <alfbaz> Fuck, now I'm hungry and dinner is hours away
12:00 <Halcyon> Hehehe :P
12:37 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y12_YIKzDqA
12:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Lockdown Leftovers
12:38 <alfbaz> missus is out and there
13:14 <alfbaz> missus is out and there's an excellent bakery down the road... ruminates intensely
14:11 <alfbaz> that guy is hilarious
14:39 <Halcyon> He is amazing and actually a pretty good cook
15:04 <alfbaz> you'd never think it looking at him
15:22 <Halcyon> Part of the reason why I like him
15:26 <Halcyon> He is very no nonsense
17:38 <Halcyon> His roast chicken recipe is pretty good
19:29 <alfbaz> We eat chicken :P will try it out next time
19:36 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JxPepmStxw
19:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Made You Look Roast Chook
20:16 <alfbaz> book marked
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01:01 <Halcyon> Interesting colour
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01:18 <Halcyon> I mean... stupid cat
05:47 * T3sl4 meows at Halcyon
49:40 <Ysjoelfir> so... after sleeping for 2.5 hours now I continued with the coffee mill restauration. build a "damn that bucket is rusted from the inside, now how do I get that cleaned?"-jig. Highly professional of course. https://drive.google.com/file/d/14WJkS54iRF3COlxewHAJxxT2Jkt8rGlL/view?usp=sharing
49:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
49:55 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/14TELusgrvw6ilcS6K-cFOI-7qX04QeZN/view?usp=sharing
49:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
51:09 <rust_collector> oh , mr fancy can not tape bucket to car wheel, he makes pretend car inside
53:24 <Ysjoelfir> yes mr. sir
54:05 <rust_collector> you fill bucket with MSG and remove rust
54:35 <rust_collector> very good
55:18 <Ysjoelfir> 4mmx20 wood screws in that case. torx head.
55:56 <rust_collector> no msg... no flavour. so sad
58:00 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder how long I should let that rotate
58:37 <Ysjoelfir> its making annoying sounds and I am still tired as fuck and want to go back to sleep, but I had to let mrs spouse and mr. gworg outside, which is why I had to get up in the first place
59:39 <rust_collector> weeeellllll.... I would give it 15 minutes, just to see if anything happens at all
59:48 <rust_collector> it will, but...
01:16 <rust_collector> Once, I saw a guy trying something similar, but not on a grinder. he filled his box with sand, and started shaking it. that must have been a great workout.
01:34 <rust_collector> because he filled it full.
01:49 <rust_collector> that was great
04:48 <rust_collector> you should make cardboard figures, and run a system of ropes from that grinder, so it looks like people are moving around inside
07:33 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D like an old transmission system?
07:46 <Ysjoelfir> using nice long flat leather belts
08:26 <rust_collector> yeeees
09:52 <rust_collector> hmm, there has been a little knocking sound here all day.... and now I figured it out
10:25 <rust_collector> there was 2 magpies, pecking at an old rug outside
12:47 <Ysjoelfir> Hehe. So todays menu will be magpie?
13:39 <Ysjoelfir> So after having that thing running for like 10 minutes it did pretty good progress. I think I leave that doing its thing for half an hour now and then it should be splendid inside there
16:04 <rust_collector> nice
16:48 <Ysjoelfir> mkay
19:13 * Ysjoelfir wonders if anybody gets the reference
19:41 <rust_collector> I didn't get anything, because I feel like you should be feeling.
20:37 <Ysjoelfir> do you know the steve1989 mreinfo guy?
20:53 <rust_collector> the tray guy... yes
21:11 <Ysjoelfir> "lets put it up onto a tray. Nice! mkay."
21:13 <rust_collector> are you saying there was a hiss when you opened it
21:26 <Ysjoelfir> lol, no. just a puff os smoke :P
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24:27 <rust_collector> i wonder if I should find some kind of socket, or just solder wires to the old transistor. in one way, I guess soldering it would be better, until I burn it up, and have to replace it...
24:45 <Ysjoelfir> TO3?
24:50 <rust_collector> sort of yes
25:16 <rust_collector> the eastern version. probably the same size
26:17 <Ysjoelfir> I think so, yes. at least my T3sl4 Brand 2N3055 are compatible to western TO-3. I have to admit that one thing I absolutely love about TO-3 is, that there were sockets available for those. its just soooo convenient
26:39 <rust_collector> it would be.
27:18 <rust_collector> yeah, why not. it is not like I need many of them
28:34 <rust_collector> yes, it says it is the same.
37:40 <rust_collector> hmmm. the volvo/chevrolet/mercruiser part are ready to be picked up. maybe I will do that tomorrow
41:03 <rust_collector> it will be nice to get that thing out of half the garage. uhm, so I can start on the skoda engine, lol
42:59 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe :D
43:07 <K> hello seaguls
43:08 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
43:16 <rust_collector> hey K
43:38 <Ysjoelfir> Hello swashbuckler!
43:39 <Ysjoelfir> also, the results are in. https://drive.google.com/file/d/14iAI31v_iL6Bi2G-m-oQBXWi5svdsmmB/view?usp=sharing
43:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
44:04 <rust_collector> that is not terrible....
44:24 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder if I should somehow protect that now. its bone dry, so I don't tink its completelly neccessary?
45:41 <rust_collector> hmmm, but will it always be dry... and if you are going to do some more work on it, don't bother yet
47:42 <rust_collector> I was thinking about being a bit retro, and just coating it is "lead". it might not be pc these days...
49:07 <rust_collector> I guess it would go dull and grey at some time. but...
51:45 <DogWomble> <rust_collector> Once, I saw a guy trying something similar, but not on a grinder ... why did I read that as "but not on Grindr"
52:43 <rust_collector> well, that was correct too, so
52:59 <rust_collector> Maybe you have been watching too much bbc?
53:25 <Ysjoelfir> what is grindr?
53:36 <DogWomble> basically the gay version of tinder
53:41 <rust_collector> uhm, dating app, I guess
54:47 <Ysjoelfir> and rusty, no, it won't be dry forever obviously, but I think I leave it like it is for now. I still need to strip the chrome from the outside, "de-dent" it and add a new whatnot finish. while doing that this finish will be on the inside to, if I electroplate it with something, so maybe that will be enough
55:13 <rust_collector> yeah
55:44 <rust_collector> don't try to get all the dings out of it. unless you feel like making a new one
56:19 <Ysjoelfir> heh, I won't manage probably, there are some pretty "sharp" dents in there. not only like bowl shaped ones
56:31 <Ysjoelfir> I am pretty sure I won't be able to get those out
56:34 <rust_collector> well, I mean, you can try, but.. don't try too hard
56:53 <Ysjoelfir> I want it to tell some kind of story, so a few marks are fine for me
57:42 <Ysjoelfir> I just wonder how I would do that the best way. I haven't done that before, especially not on rounded stuff. I doubt I will get good results with a standard flat face hammer?
58:00 <rust_collector> it is just very easy to screw it up much worse than it is, with all the stretching.
00:11 <rust_collector> uhm, well, in my opinion, you should make a dolly, that fits inside, then use a more or less flat faced hammer on the outside. then carefully tap it in, going in circles around the dent. try to "roll" or "rub" the metal back into place, more than bashing it with a hammer
00:44 <rust_collector> just some heavy-ish piece with about the same curve as the inside
01:04 <rust_collector> that thing is pretty thin metal, isn't it?
01:11 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds easy enough to do
02:04 <rust_collector> is it 0.6mm or so metal? maybe even thinner?
02:56 <rust_collector> if ti is very thin, you might be able to use a wooden spoon, and just push it into shape
03:33 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, its pretty thin. I don't remember if you were there yesterday when I wrote it, I found several datecodes when disassembling it and it seems like its from 54. so right in the time of "damn, we don't have any material left but now after the war is over we need to get back in business!" :P
04:09 <Ysjoelfir> oooh, I see! nice idea. or make a wooden shape that goes smooth to some of the faces and use the method you described before
04:58 <rust_collector> as you are going to strip and coat it... you can maybe try to shrink a bit, on the bigger dings. just heat it in the middle, and it will shrink the stretched metal back into shape a bit more
05:15 <rust_collector> but be careful
06:09 <rust_collector> well, that, and the shape of it, makes it pretty strong, so they don't need all that much metal in it.
06:37 <rust_collector> for what it was going to be used for, i mean
06:57 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
07:20 <Ysjoelfir> or I go all in and do it the german way. like, drive it to perfection xD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFnIDeGHwUs
07:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Blechbearbeitung - Ausbeulen Teil 1
07:25 <Ysjoelfir> which I won't as I am not insane
07:31 <Ysjoelfir> at least not THAT insane
07:41 <rust_collector> well
07:47 <rust_collector> ehm
08:35 <rust_collector> so, there is a guy on youtube, called trevs blog. he has some pretty good videos about dents and shaping metal
09:57 <rust_collector> at least he explains things in a way even I get
10:50 <Ysjoelfir> nice, I should definitely watch that
11:28 <rust_collector> but be careful, you could end up watching youtube all week. it is strangely addictive
13:34 <Ysjoelfir> eeeeeh. I can kind of relate to that, yes :P
14:21 <Ysjoelfir> But before I watch anything, I should go to rest now, the noise from the bean bucket tumbling around is gone now and I managed already four times falling asleep sitting here at the pc while holding my glass.
14:48 <rust_collector> balance your glass on top of your head
14:56 <Ysjoelfir> no.
15:07 <rust_collector> awwww
15:11 <rust_collector> well, good night
15:28 <Ysjoelfir> be back soon :P
15:39 <rust_collector> see you around 12
15:52 <Ysjoelfir> 12 to 1 I think, yes
17:02 <Lemon> ahueahue
18:07 <rust_collector> tohuvabohu
22:09 <Lemon> tohubohu ?
22:16 <rust_collector> yes
22:17 <T3sl4> gehsunteit
22:18 <Lemon> heh didnt hear that in a long time
22:44 <Lemon> you know what is it ? :>
23:31 <rust_collector> mmhmm as usual, a mix of words
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24:50 <Lemon> its a word to describe the state of the word when god just created it
25:28 <rust_collector> no, it is put together from several words, which might have been used for that
25:58 <Lemon> ha and you where right in the orignal form there is "va" in between
26:43 <Lemon> Tohou va-vohou
27:05 <rust_collector> so! now what?
27:25 <Lemon> thats an hebrew word to describe what I said :>
27:37 <Lemon> tohubohu is the frenchised version
27:43 <rust_collector> okeh
27:55 <Lemon> thats a fun word
29:31 <rust_collector> I believe the words could have been used for other things also, not just for that. but whatever. That is the sort of things you get when you like oddball music
30:01 <Lemon> heh maybe I will ask a friend
34:08 <rust_collector> I don't think he would remember. it is a long time since the world was empty
45:47 <electrohead> yo.
48:20 <rust_collector> oh
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02:03 <Lemon> rust_collector can you go to israel and collect my fluke and bring it there tommorow max ?
02:09 <Lemon> I dont want to wait 1-2 weeks
02:24 <rust_collector> no, sorry, I am not allowed in there
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03:03 <rust_collector> but yeah, there are a lot of stuff there that I want, but that shipping is almost like from the us
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05:02 <Lemon> hmmm well it depends it seems, sometimes its decent like the fluke (free) sometimes its expensive but alrightish (50 euros for a 10kg item) or US like, when in fact its maybe 10kg like the 50 euro item
06:29 <rust_collector> it always depends. but in general... the stuff I would want from israel is heavy, and the stuff from the us is cheap but shipping. and most of the time, I only find deals on things that only run on 120v
07:42 <Lemon> ha yeah 120v stuff sucks
07:51 <Lemon> but yeah like the nice hp power supply I dream off for 116 usd
07:55 <Lemon> I'd buy 3 for that price
08:04 <Lemon> they sell up to 5-700 euros in europe
10:49 * electrohead offers coffee
11:09 * rust_collector coffes
11:57 <rust_collector> Lemon that guy had one little hp power thing I really did like. it was sort of small, and would fit nicely on my bench
12:21 <rust_collector> yeah, it did look like it had been in the sea, but...
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13:25 <Lemon> ha yeah but it had an issue I think
14:22 <rust_collector> I don't care, it was a nice compact 3 channel sane power one. it was if nothing else the model I would like
15:34 <Lemon> yeah they are nice
15:52 <Lemon> my topward is somewhat like that, with 2 outputs at 32v/2a, and one fixed 5v3a
16:18 <Lemon> I need to re-calibrate it because I did it with my systron donner dmm, and later realized it got a big offset
16:30 <Lemon> also, the second output got 0.3v at zero position
16:39 <Lemon> maybe it was removed and placed badly
17:51 <rust_collector> my crapbox power has a little capacitor on the output, and when you set it to 0v, without any load, it tends to "float" up a bit
18:31 <rust_collector> short the output, and it goes to 0, then in a bit, it will float up a little again
19:17 <rust_collector> I think I should maybe put a little resistor across it, just to make it "nice"
19:51 <electrohead> sounds like a reasonable idea
20:21 <rust_collector> or, I could just ignore it, and turn the thing off when I don't use it. that will also not show anything on the meter
21:19 <Lemon> hmm I see
21:25 <Lemon> on mine its definitively a mechanical issue
21:41 <Lemon> the other supply, the gossen konstanter is incredible
21:50 <Lemon> single output at 32v 2a but its so damn stable
22:22 <Lemon> if I set it at 1v, the 3456a will show maybe +-2 uV of movement over time
24:49 <Lemon> the topward on the other hand is not so stable
24:53 <Lemon> its not bad by any means
25:00 <Lemon> but it moves by 100ppm randomly
25:10 <Lemon> maybe filter caps are tired ?
26:14 <rust_collector> eeh, who knows how the rest would react to that...
26:18 <rust_collector> maybe
27:59 <rust_collector> heh, this thing is nowhere close to stable, lol. the pot in it is a bit weird too, so it could be part of it
31:47 <Lemon> well dont get me wrong its decently stable
32:00 <Lemon> like 5v, it will be stable down to 100uV
32:07 <Lemon> which isnt horrible
32:12 <Lemon> but im sure it could do much better
35:48 <rust_collector> crap, some leds are so incredibly bright. and the power things seems happy to run a led at 7.77v, at exactly that setting it is stable-ish
50:35 * electrohead wires rust_collector up to a LED strip
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54:30 <Lemon> achtung ! bicyclette !
55:25 <electrohead> nein! nein!
56:13 <Ysjoelfir> doch! doch!
57:31 <DogWomble> nein! nein! eighteen?
57:39 <rust_collector> AAARGGGGG mein leben! tuu tuu tuuuuu bip bip PEW PEW PEW!
58:05 <K> someone is getting excited
58:23 <electrohead> lol
58:25 <Lemon> lol best game
58:30 <Lemon> mein lebeennnn
58:57 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx1oMOa7sfk?
59:02 <Ysjoelfir> * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx1oMOa7sfk
59:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Es war einmal das Leben german Intro
59:23 <Ysjoelfir> all you people talking about leben. So there you have it.
00:16 <electrohead> wtf did I just watch? lol
00:29 <K> no.
00:31 <K> no.
00:34 <K> no.
01:07 <electrohead> Ja.
01:27 <Ysjoelfir> its an old german scientific childrens show, explaining how "living" works. in that intro you see mainly the blood stuff. well, and viruses and bacteria.
02:30 <K> and some titty
02:36 <electrohead> lol
02:42 <electrohead> animations make everything better :P
02:47 <rust_collector> sideboob!
03:23 <rust_collector> oh but damnit... I never learn
04:22 <rust_collector> I am trying to feel if this led gets warm, but I use my dead finger, so I don't... blaaah. well, it is hot, it is smoking slightly
05:03 <Ysjoelfir> argh xD
05:26 <Ysjoelfir> how did you manage to deaden your finger?
05:41 <rust_collector> It fell off, when I ran it thru the saw
06:00 <electrohead> fell off, or cut off? lol
06:07 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty effective.
06:13 <rust_collector> well, it was cut off, then fell
06:19 <Lemon> aye
06:34 <electrohead> whoops
06:48 <Lemon> im curious, your brain in those situations probably send lots of signals to your body to cover pain with adrenaline
07:02 <Lemon> was it super hurtful ? or you barely felt a thing atf irst ?
07:32 <rust_collector> nah, it was ok.
08:01 <Lemon> and they managed to sew it back correctly ?
08:20 <Lemon> a friend lost 4 fingers while fiddling with his motorbike, but he didnt realize at first as he had a glove
08:26 <Lemon> it was in winter
08:29 <rust_collector> yeah, pretty good.
08:30 <Ysjoelfir> I assume rusty would be looking at that, blood dribbling out, and he's like "meh, let me just quickly finish that cut. .... so, now where did that stupid thing go? *searches for finger in the sawdust*
08:45 <Lemon> lick it and glue it back
09:14 <Lemon> ho Ysjoelfir, I found the handheld meter I wanted yday ! a nice fluke 27/FM in pretty good condition for 66 euros delivered :>
09:31 <Ysjoelfir> so when will it arive?
09:38 <rust_collector> christmas
09:44 <Lemon> between the 18th and first june, according to ebay
09:54 <Lemon> it got lot of functions for his age !
09:59 <Lemon> and its true rms, please
10:07 <Lemon> 0.1% dc accuracy, 3200 counts :>
10:17 <Lemon> and well protected, it was the military issued version
12:15 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/324570538922 idk if you can see it
12:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fluke 27/FM Multimeter #35 | eBay
12:25 <Lemon> but besides a little war scar on the top, its in really good shape
12:52 <Lemon> it will be perfect to go with the ac clamp :>
13:19 * electrohead clamps Lemon's nipples
14:46 <Lemon> thats illegal !
16:14 <electrohead> :P
16:55 <rust_collector> And I still wonder what the thing about being beaten with jumper cables is about....
18:25 <Ysjoelfir> you should ask T3sl4 about that, he has experience in those regions
18:47 <electrohead> I searched online, there are many things I found
19:31 <rust_collector> yes, lots of things online
19:32 <Lemon> also they say 1k hours with a single 9V battery
19:35 <Lemon> its quite neat
22:54 <Lemon> I always tell people wanting a cheap dmm to look at old ones, rather than new chinese shit
23:16 <Lemon> in france theres lots of old metrix for 20-30 euros, those are well protected and somewhat serviceable
23:23 <Lemon> newer metrix stuff on other hand isnt good
23:32 <Lemon> its mostly rebranded chinese things
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50:02 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osTrIUT0zu0 I hate videos loke that. How to remove chrome from stuff. first, isolate part that needs removing. second, remove remaining paint with paint stripper. third, fuck, this is dangerous and toxic. just contact a local finishing shop and ask them to remove the chrome.
50:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: How To Strip Iron Heads Raw
50:16 <Ysjoelfir> head --> desk
50:41 <Ampera> good morning
50:44 <Ampera> weirdos
51:02 <Ysjoelfir> food morning
51:14 <Ysjoelfir> weirunix
51:56 <alfbaz> Hidi ho Ampera
52:22 <Ampera> hello alfbaz, how are you doing
52:28 <Lemon> helllo !
52:54 * electrohead waves and stuff
00:03 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
00:24 <alfbaz> Ampera, Good thanks numbing my brain watching big brother
00:47 <Ampera> there's numbing, and then there's horse tranquilizer
00:48 <electrohead> and big brother is watching you :P
01:54 <alfbaz> Shit you would never watch in a million years suddenly ends up before your eyes when you have a wife :c
02:06 <rust_collector> I thought it was ceiling cat
02:38 <Ampera> advise taken, remain alone forever
02:44 <Ampera> er, advice
02:48 <alfbaz> lol
03:35 <alfbaz> There was a stage where I was watching bold and the beautifull :s
03:39 * Ysjoelfir advertises a vise to Ampera
04:09 <Ampera> alfbaz, I'd rather eat soap
07:26 <alfbaz> Don't worry if you get married she'll make wash your mouth out with it :P
09:02 <Ysjoelfir> I am pretty happy that I made clear from the beginning that I hate watching TV. I am willing to play pretty much any game she wants so that she can watch it on the TV while I play, but I won't watch TV if I don't want to :D
09:20 <Ysjoelfir> And I mean, like, any at all. I asolutely hate watching TV stuff
09:47 <Ampera> I don't really watch TV myself
10:17 <Ampera> if I have nothing better to do, I'll turn on a baseball game or adult swim or something, but that's rarely the case
13:18 * electrohead offers his media collection
25:20 <K> meanwhile - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZzdYqBf8Mc
25:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Immigrant Song | Rubber Chicken Cover 【Chickensan】 🐔
25:36 <Ysjoelfir> erm....
26:58 <Ysjoelfir> that is....
27:11 <K> a very talented chicken!
27:11 <Ysjoelfir> erm.. somehow pretty coll but also frightening
27:24 <Ysjoelfir> I very much enjoy the cat in the background as well
28:15 <alfbaz> Well it's all about compromise for me, she puts up with me spending heaps of time in the lab, so if I venture out into the lounge I can't really make an arguement for a channel change
29:04 <Ysjoelfir> that otoh is a part I have to wrestle with her all the time. she doesn't like being alone, but is bored in the lab even though I tried to add all sorts of stuff for her enjoyment there
30:51 <rust_collector> that chicken sounds better than the smurf who sings for rush...
31:00 <Ysjoelfir> lol
31:30 <alfbaz> Yeah the new one I'm building is gonna have a recliner and a wall hung TV for her but I fear it defeats the purpose of getting my lab outa the house. It's extermely difficult to so any real work with constant interruptions
32:12 <Ysjoelfir> jep, I agree to that highly. sadlt much of my work is done on my workstation, which is in the living room. I sometimes consider adding a second PC to the lab for that purpose
32:30 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir I did not know she was into wrestling? sounds fun
32:52 <Ysjoelfir> oh we love wrestling. :)
33:12 <rust_collector> must be annoying when you are trying to do something, and BAM!
33:26 <Ysjoelfir> it is
33:42 <alfbaz> It use to take me 10 to 15 minutes to get into the 'zone' for complicated stuff. I'm older now and it takes me 30 to 40 minutes to get into it, one question or comment from her and its gone
34:42 <alfbaz> ... this is why I stay up 'till all hour of the morning but the brain isn't at its peak at this time
34:51 <Ysjoelfir> I am struggling with concentration problems for some years (but getting that (hopefully) fixed very soon), so I am also in that 30 to 40 minute zone and can relate
35:31 <rust_collector> noobs... I have been trying for 40+ years, and I still am nowhere near any zone
35:46 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder, rust_collector... do you think that electroplating stuff in a ultrasonic bath would add to the effectiveness or just destroy the surface finish?
35:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol
36:09 <rust_collector> uhm. I have no idea
36:27 <rust_collector> try it on some random piece?
37:14 <K> https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/sfj1950/11/1/11_1_20/_article
37:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - The Effect of Ultrasonic Waves on the Electroplating On the Bright Nickel Plating
37:41 <rust_collector> electroplating tends to work in a line of sight way, so I doubt it would help anything get into the joints and such. but as it uses charges to move the stuff onto the metal, I sort of doubt it would do anything ?
39:17 <rust_collector> that is interesting
42:45 <Ysjoelfir> Let me try to read that
42:58 <Ysjoelfir> argh, only the abstract is in english xD
43:06 <Ysjoelfir> so... now who can speak japanese?
43:20 <rust_collector> di-po ning
44:03 <K> nani?!!?!11111
45:34 <Ysjoelfir> heh, a friend of mine wanted to learn japanese. lets see
47:01 <Ysjoelfir> oof, even the english abstract is hard to read :D
47:20 <Ysjoelfir> "The cathodic current efficiency with the use of high frequency was slightly higher than the
47:20 <Ysjoelfir> efficiency with the use of low, but details of them were not clearly."
47:47 <rust_collector> it says it improved things a tiny bit
47:49 <Ysjoelfir> the efficiency was slightly higher than the efficiency with the use of low. Wutt?
48:15 <Ysjoelfir> oh I get it now
48:57 <Ysjoelfir> hmm... did I read that correct, that the plating is harder that way?
49:05 <rust_collector> yes
49:06 <Ysjoelfir> "The higher intensity brought out the larger hardness of the deposite in the range of considerablly high intensity side."
49:40 <rust_collector> I think it allowed higher currents, so the plating gets platinger?
50:16 <Ysjoelfir> oh, and combining stirring and ultrasonics gets even better results. interesting. I always wondered why in all those videos the people never bother to add a stirring pump
50:39 <rust_collector> but that was more of a surface finish thing, I believe?
51:21 <rust_collector> to avoid standing waves, which leaves lines in the finish?
52:20 <rust_collector> next test: can we chrome plate stuff in a blender?
52:50 <Ysjoelfir> lol
53:57 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy with that picture of hsn, I think I will use that as a background in any screenshots I make
59:16 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
59:55 <rust_collector> the hsn2teabagging one
00:00 <Ysjoelfir> aaah
00:31 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy with that. for being my first gimp face swap
04:44 <Ysjoelfir> heh. great. I was looking for nickel on ebay to make an electrplating solution. typed in: nickel. go to flat stock category. try to sort out useless results with the advanced search filters. category "material": I have the options to choose between stainless steel, stainless stainless steel, magnesium, not specified and "metal".
04:58 <Ysjoelfir> so... what kind of metal is metal?
05:21 <rust_collector> nickel?
05:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol, nope. that would be way to easy. the 20 results for "metal" in the category "material" were:
06:22 <rust_collector> metallica, black debbath
06:51 <Ysjoelfir> 5 results for.. erm... those things you have around keyholes. 2 results for nickel plated (at least something) adapters for some plugs. and 2 lamps. https://www.ebay.de/itm/143510708636?hash=item2169e7a19c:g:pYUAAOSwIz5cigFT
06:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Lampenlux Hängeleuchte Phonus nickel Metallschirm Lochblech E27 40W H:18cm Ø18 | eBay
07:07 <Ysjoelfir> no idea why that is shown in the flat stock category though
07:30 <rust_collector> how much do you think you need?
07:57 <Ysjoelfir> not much, 2 pieces with 10x10cm maybe, to make a plating solution and use as a sacrificial anode for plating?
09:52 <rust_collector> yeah, I guess those battery tab strips would be too small
12:30 <Ysjoelfir> well, for making the solution those would be pretty nice I think, but not as the sacrificial piece
15:34 <Ysjoelfir> wth, it seems nearly impossible to find a reasonable amount of thick-ish nickel plates in germany. is that stuff so useless that you just don't need it?
15:59 <rust_collector> pretty much
16:11 <Ysjoelfir> hrmpf
16:54 <Ysjoelfir> lol... found some on amazon.
24:32 <rust_collector> you can get stuff... https://www.ebay.com/itm/303992379713
24:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Nickel Plating Solution 250ml | eBay
24:52 <rust_collector> not sure how the math adds up there
25:04 <Ysjoelfir> that is pretty expensive. I found "the stuff", one liter of it, for 20 on amazon
25:36 <Ysjoelfir> which I recently started to pronounce like the word "amazing" is pronounced
25:41 <Ysjoelfir> because... reasons
25:58 <rust_collector> a-mason
26:11 <Ysjoelfir> yes
26:57 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder if a thick nickel plating would be suficient as a coating. its not exactly food grade afaik, but....
26:59 <rust_collector> hmm, it is raining. enough that my trailer is not leaky enough
27:07 <Ysjoelfir> lol
27:16 <Ysjoelfir> it should start raining here soon as well
29:21 <rust_collector> it is not as hard as chrome, but if you are using it for beans and spices....
30:09 <rust_collector> maybe you have to add a sticker, so people don't eat your funnel
30:13 <Ysjoelfir> yep. thats what I thought. because.. well, its only a decorative, rust preventing plating
30:15 <Ysjoelfir> lol
30:43 <Ysjoelfir> maybe I should clearcoat it after plating
30:59 <rust_collector> mmmnah, I doubt it
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08:24 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, you know the channel geoffrey croker?
08:39 <rust_collector> not sure? not by name
09:10 <Ysjoelfir> found an electroplating video from him and I like his style. I think you could probably enjoy the stuff he does as well.
09:16 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-PtnwtOR24
09:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Electroplating - Easy DIY Nickel, Copper, Zinc Plating
15:49 <rust_collector> those outlets with switches freak me out.
16:17 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
16:28 <rust_collector> I think I have to stay up here, where we don't even care about having a ground
19:07 <Ysjoelfir> I don't have a ground as well, but thats because that flat is old
19:21 <Ysjoelfir> and mrs. landlordladybitch doesn't care about changing safety relevant stuff
19:54 <rust_collector> stop licking the tap, while experimenting with microwave transformers?
20:31 <Ysjoelfir> I try to remember that.
20:39 <Ysjoelfir> but its ok when I do it with neon transformers, right?
20:43 <rust_collector> sure
26:25 <Ysjoelfir> good.
27:07 <rust_collector> only if it is italian
28:22 <Ysjoelfir> oh. then its probably bad.
28:46 <rust_collector> yes, only italian taps are good for that
29:31 <Ysjoelfir> what about those american ones that you can ignite the water from?
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35:23 <rust_collector> hmm, maybe they also have the same kind of seals, so that could work
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45:18 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8 that was what I was refering to
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48:08 <hsn> rust_collector: u teash bag
48:28 <rust_collector> hey hsn
48:38 <hsn> Hey hey hey
48:43 <rust_collector> *flowers rainbow unicorn*
48:49 * Ampera sneezes
48:53 * Ampera does it again
49:37 <hsn> Flowcorn rainers unibow
49:58 <hsn> Bless u armpera
50:04 <Ampera> armpera
50:11 * Ampera gets hsn in a headlock
50:33 * rust_collector lights hsns toes on fire
50:53 <hsn> Headlock?
51:28 <hsn> Chocking wrestling thingy
51:34 <K> hsnssss
51:39 <hsn> Kkk
51:45 <rust_collector> maybe it is similar to the chinese finger lock, just bigger?
52:16 <Ampera> can you unlock a chinese finger lock by fingering it?
53:15 <rust_collector> I have no idea, I am not chinese
53:31 <hsn> U think?
54:00 * Ampera tries to unlock hsn by fingering him
54:08 <Ampera> nothing on 1
54:11 <Ampera> click on 2
54:13 <Ampera> orgasm on 3
54:20 <Ampera> and we're open
55:32 <hsn> What r u saying .. u internet bully
55:57 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha
56:18 <Ampera> I'm saying what I've seen, and I've seen what I'm saying.
56:19 <Ysjoelfir> mr. Lockpickinglawmperya
56:59 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: he says orgasm .. which means he talking dirty
57:05 <rust_collector> he is starting your fisting lessons. good luck hsn
57:12 <Ysjoelfir> pretty much
57:41 <Ampera> I'm not talking clean
58:00 <hsn> rust_collector: im letting him bullying me on the internet .. i want to see where he is going with it ..
58:25 <hsn> In reality i ll slap so hard armpera xD
59:36 <rust_collector> without jumper cables?
59:48 <Ysjoelfir> no. with. from his dad
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