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28:06 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUh4Z2li1UM
28:07 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Homemade Bacon | Basics with Babish
41:15 * T3sl4 soaks Ampera in salt and nitrites
41:37 * Ampera plants T3sl4 in the ground
41:54 * Ampera waters T3sl4 with Brawndo
08:22 Join: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
08:49 <Ampera> Good evening, Kuschelpony
10:36 <K> ponneh
10:49 <Kuschelpony> Hello Ampera, how is (or was) your day?
11:11 <Ampera> It's before midday here, and it's going alright so far
11:19 <Ampera> I get my second pfizer dose in a few hours
11:30 <Kuschelpony> oh great!
11:46 <Kuschelpony> im still waiting for the first one but probably in not distant future
11:59 <Ampera> Is Germany finally getting their shit into gear?
14:34 <Kuschelpony> i prefer to answer this after i know it better...
14:49 <Kuschelpony> myself i got re-priotisised
14:50 <K> from what i understand, europe did not have vaccines, that why no gear
15:07 <K> i.e astra zeneca fisaco
15:12 <K> fififisisfisjdfi
15:13 <K> fiasco
15:32 <Ampera> They should have been able to make tons of pfizer like we did though
15:36 <Kuschelpony> they slowly change the priotisazion to something where people who have important jobs and/or need to be around and meet other people are non longer in the 4th group
15:51 <Ampera> the story I heard is the EU was given the job of buying the vaccines for everyone, and tried to lowball everyone
16:19 <Ampera> so the vaccine companies went to places that spent more, like the US, which is starting to have weimar-tier spending problems
16:40 <K> prolly has some truth to it
16:40 <Kuschelpony> ampera, they just adapted these mantras of lean production, just in time, and such, so they ordered only little vaccination doses and planned to oder further again and again
17:13 <Kuschelpony> the usa just made one big order ang got priority by the manufacturers
17:18 <Ampera> Worked great for eMachines, not so much for people I guess
17:53 <Kuschelpony> yup
19:51 <Ampera> The news is spelling doom and gloom for our vaccination campaigns, saying we're all stalling at 50-60% of the adult pop with a shot
20:39 <Kuschelpony> hmm, no idea
20:56 <Ampera> Everyone says it's antivaxxers, but I think it's like the old saying of don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to laziness/incompetence
21:08 <Ampera> I think most people can't be fucked
22:07 <Ampera> I think a lot of people have valid concerns, and it shows in how many medical professionals (they say) are turning them down
23:58 <Kuschelpony> i have no idea if anti-vaxxers are so widespread or just so mobile and vocal to be seen everywhere
24:27 <T3sl4> i was a bit taken aback by how few people were at the vax clinic when i went, dunno what their attendance has been like since then but there was like half a dozen people there at the time, and the city is like 30k pop
24:27 <Kuschelpony> in the people i know, there are zero of them anywhere, we all either wait for the vaccination oir desperately wait
25:17 <T3sl4> it's a good chance that antivax in this country is the same 40% of the population that thinks nazis are people too
25:26 <Ampera> I know they exist, but I don't know how many people there are, and ultimately it's hard to tell, because it's a personal view, not necessarily a demographic
26:01 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/542853460157136896/730134494752800839/D9sOvAXWwAAN7Jt.png
27:35 <Ampera> Isn't generalizing and then dehumanizing your enemy Step 1 and 2 in the extremist politics handbook?
28:18 <rust_collector> eeh, I think it is polytics in general
29:02 <T3sl4> Ampera: actually it's quite easy to tell, it's by and large the 40% right wing authoritarians
29:17 <Kuschelpony> weird, i am currently browsing more around Ebay Kleinanzeigen and it looks like some things are generally sold secondhand and worn for similar prices like new, trying to pass them as collectibles
29:37 <T3sl4> if you're reading that as bait i'm sorry to hear that
29:54 <Kuschelpony> hmm?
29:57 <K> Kuschelpony maybe some money laundering?
30:04 <T3sl4> Ampera ^
30:10 <Ampera> Do you live near the water? Take a stroll by the coastline and see if fish start launching themselves at you
30:28 <K> fisches!
30:37 <T3sl4> hello carps
30:41 <T3sl4> karps? damn
31:06 <Kuschelpony> i think its just a different cultural circle, where things like a suit can drastically increase in value if it has been worn at some event and perhaps got the right kind of dirt or personal signature, compared to just somethign useful as work overall
31:16 <Ampera> Then give me some, because fresh fish sounds pretty good right now
31:46 <Ampera> Kuschelpony, ebay pricing can be really weird. New things can sell for more there than on Amazon
32:02 <Ampera> sometimes even used things, like gigabit switches, cost way more on ebay and are way sketchier, than a name brand switch off Amazon
32:09 <T3sl4> true story, i was walking along the bluffs here the other day, didn't see any fish, but saw a few million mayflies either sunning/hydrating themselves on the sand, or mostly drying out and dying like the stupid mayflies they are
32:26 <rust_collector> It looks like everything is a bit more on ebay now, then it usually has been... not sure, but it looks like it, to me
33:10 <Kuschelpony> thats Ebay Kleinanzeigen, in germany they have this classifieds part split off of main ebay, the latter beeing basically a shop like amazon
33:22 <Kuschelpony> i have not yet signed up but it looks not that interesting
34:15 <rust_collector> oh, yes. that thing. I have seen that.
34:26 <rust_collector> I just think ebay, lol
34:31 <T3sl4> the thing for seeing. the seeing thing.
51:43 <K> the seaing thing.
51:54 <K> what does the fish do?
51:58 <K> the fish seas!
52:08 <T3sl4> kiss my bass
52:09 <K> makes prefect sense.
57:51 <T3sl4> neat https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/n548zp/this_sorbet_comes_in_fruit_rinds_for_cups/
57:59 <eevBot> [Title] - This sorbet comes in fruit rinds for cups. : mildlyinteresting
00:06 <Lemon> rust_collector yes im here
00:18 <Lemon> sorry I napped then the guy for solar installation came
00:38 <Lemon> it makes me sad to know that my mother gonna pay like 3-4 times what it would cost to build it myself
00:44 <Lemon> but sadly in france its not possible
00:50 <Lemon> not legal, no insurrance etc
00:53 <Lemon> so she doesnt want to
01:42 <T3sl4> yike
02:32 <Lemon> 1.2k euros per kwh of battery for example
02:39 <Lemon> thats a lot
02:59 <Lemon> solar pannel I forgot the price, they are german built etc so great but expensive too
03:45 <T3sl4> can't say i'd be the most comfortable sitting my own hand assembled battery in a dusty corner for years at a time, tbh
04:52 <Lemon> well not necessarly the shadiest thing ever, but some good lifepo4 batteries, a "high-endish" bms, same for the inverter etc and bam
05:00 <Lemon> in a metal cabinet, closed
05:08 <Ampera> For me it'd depend on what one means by hand assembled battery
05:11 <Lemon> I wouldnt do that with salvaged batteries like some lol
05:21 <Lemon> and yeah I wouldnt assamble it with 18650 either
05:31 <Lemon> only big lifepo4 with screwed on tabs
05:45 <Ampera> though lead acid batteries are still fairly easy to put together, and don't go /as/ explosively wrong as lithium tech, so long as you keep into account hydrogen discharge
05:50 <T3sl4> yeah, doing it with commercial parts, less sketch
06:06 <T3sl4> batteries that big aren't cheap either tho
06:16 <Ampera> Why you'd use lithium batteries for a home supply, I don't know
06:27 <Ampera> They're getting cheaper, but they aren't lead acid cheap
06:36 <K> less space?
06:39 <rust_collector> oh, overcharged lead acid does hurt your face, if there is a spark somewhere. I don't think lithium would be much worse
07:19 <Ampera> K, lead acid batteries are big, but they aren't take up your entire house big
07:28 <Ampera> the energy densities you can get with them can still be quite impressive
07:46 <rust_collector> nah, they are just heavy, which is why it makes sense in a house
07:52 <Ampera> Hydrogen discharge might be the one reason I wouldn't want those in my house unventilated
08:14 <Lemon> lifepo4 cant catch fire/explode
08:17 <Lemon> thats also why I'd use that
08:19 <T3sl4> lead acid isn't very dense, you'll fill your garage with them
08:22 <Ampera> of course it can
08:28 <Ampera> it's just not as good at it as liion/lipo tech
08:44 <Lemon> I think it just smokes
08:56 <Lemon> but wont burst in flames like lipos
09:05 <Ampera> Anything with a high stored energy density can cause a fire, even if it's just from shorting out
09:09 <rust_collector> lifepo is not bad.
09:26 <T3sl4> there's also the nano titanate whatever thing it is, newer, supposed to be more reliable, more about fast charge rate tho, and still pretty expensive
09:31 <Ampera> Liion tech is bad because the electrolyte used is highly flammable, bordering on explosive
09:59 <Ampera> I know lead acid tech isn't as dense as liion, but I can't imagine them being so bad that you'd have to fill a room to get a few kwh
10:05 <rust_collector> but I still don't think I would bother with fancy batteries, unless you have a huge system
10:38 <Lemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzt9RZ0FQyM
10:38 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Dangerous vs. Safe batteries, Explosion and fire test!
10:45 <Lemon> thats the most that will happen
10:59 <Lemon> but lead acid batteries are no fun if it is caught in a fire
11:09 <T3sl4> hm, what is it anyway, a car battery is 12V and about 50Ah, so 600Wh? then a stack of four is 2.4kWh
11:31 <T3sl4> though you need to double that cuz car batts aren't deep cycle
11:31 <Ampera> https://www.homedepot.com/p/308914703
11:48 <Ampera> As an example, this is 100Ah (halve that because going below about half will kill it)
11:52 <Lemon> in a house I'd take the safest
11:54 <rust_collector> fire is not the big problem with them, they just melt, most of the time, unless they are charged or discharged pretty hard
11:59 <Lemon> anything besides that it would depend
12:30 <Lemon> but lets be honest, with a bms, fuses, and some maintenance, AND the extra security of lifepo4 batteries
12:31 <Ampera> They're not tiny, but that's 600Wh, keep a shelf of them and you can get maybe a dozen kwh of charge
12:33 <Lemon> you're pretty safe
13:58 <Lemon> anyway
14:02 <Lemon> rusty you wanted to say something ?
14:05 <Lemon> I saw you tagged me earlier
14:24 <Ampera> afaik SLA's also tend to be less aggressive with hydrogen discharge (though they still do that)
14:42 <rust_collector> well, I always want to say something, but I think it is safer to keep quiet some times
14:43 <Ampera> Might be something you'd want to put in an outside cabinet with weatherproofed ventilation
14:56 <Ampera> rust_collector, that's one of the best lessons anyone can learn
14:57 <T3sl4> i forget if AGM/SLA/gel cell ever have catalysts, or they're just sneakily vented to atmosphere
14:59 <Ampera> learn when to shut up
15:35 <Ampera> I imagine it varies, and is hopefully listed on a spec/safety sheet somewhere
16:28 <rust_collector> T3sl4 they can have a sort of expansion chamber, and some also has a bung you can put a hose on, so it depends, as usual
17:38 <rust_collector> so, Lemon what did I want to say?
17:48 <T3sl4> the last SLA i had, i cracked open the cover and it has rubber nipples over the cells, they burp as they outgas, fairly safeish
17:55 <Lemon> "you bought that stripper tool yet ?"
17:57 <Lemon> :P
18:02 <rust_collector> oh, ok,
18:13 <rust_collector> well?
18:19 <Lemon> im looking around of things I need and yeah I think I will take the 60 euros model
18:30 <Lemon> decently priced, good reviews, you can adjust lengh/depth
18:33 <Lemon> thats what I wanted
18:35 <rust_collector> but you need the crimping ones too
18:47 <Lemon> yeah im looking around for it but 90 is a lot for that
18:53 <Lemon> as I wont use it as much as the stripper one
19:01 <rust_collector> sure, but it will last forever
19:06 <Lemon> I dont mind spending a lot on good tools but only if I use them a lot
19:09 <Lemon> yeah for sure
19:21 <Lemon> I found it for 55 delivered second hand
19:26 <Lemon> but I still dont know, we'll see
19:49 <Lemon> I remember Ysjoelfir told me about Kontakt brand, for cleaning various test gear things
19:55 <Lemon> like jacks, or various contacts
20:07 <Ampera> T3sl4, yeah but if you have an entire cabinet of them inside a house with little airflow, right next to a lot of potential energy
20:18 <Ampera> it'd be at the very least my primary concern
20:50 <rust_collector> just put them outside... just don't discharge them too much when it is super cold
20:54 <T3sl4> hydrogen diffuses quickly, it's fine in a vented cabinet
21:04 <T3sl4> a sealed cabinet would be playing yourself
21:37 * Ampera plays with T3sl4's self
22:37 <T3sl4> don't toucha the amp!
23:45 <T3sl4> ( http://www.douglas-self.com/ampins/ampins.htm )
23:46 <eevBot> [Title] - The Amplifier Institute.
24:37 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir did you stop playing with the site?
25:06 <T3sl4> Halcyon: don't snack on the neutronium, no matter how delicious it looks https://i.redd.it/xvge7jr9g9x61.png
38:09 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, I stopped for the moment, but I added quite some stuff alreadz.
38:25 <rust_collector> ok
38:54 <Ysjoelfir> and I was switching the kezboard lazout between english and german constantly, which results in quite some nice y and z mishaps.
39:43 <Ysjoelfir> in other words, the index, contact and )english= references (main) sites should be working.
41:59 * T3sl4 hugs Zsjoelfir
42:26 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, it's the german layout a superset of the english one?
42:29 <Ampera> why not just use the german one
42:39 <Ampera> *it's -> isn't
43:10 Join: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) to #EEVblog
43:14 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy
43:15 <Ampera> oh fuck he's back
43:27 * Ampera threatens Nothing\ with a syringe
43:36 <Nothing\> oooh a syringe
43:38 <Nothing\> what's in it?
43:42 <Ampera> pfizer vax
44:15 <Nothing\> heh i've decided even if i COULD get vaccinated, which I can't because of age restrictions, i'm going to wait until the government gets their asses together
44:48 <Nothing\> cuz right now instead of the 21 day recommended wait between doses, canada's making people wait 4 months so they can give first doses to more people. Probably to pad their numbers of vaccinated people.
45:01 <Nothing\> amdist the vaccine shortage we're having
45:36 <Nothing\> hey Ampera, did you ever watch archer or arrested development?
45:40 <Ysjoelfir> -me hugs T3sl4 back :P
45:43 <Ysjoelfir> aaaargh
45:45 <Nothing\> i think i may have asked you this already, or maybe someone else
45:47 <Nothing\> heya Ysjoelfir
45:48 <Ampera> Would be great if cannucks could come down and get vaccinated here
45:50 <Ampera> we got tons
45:50 <Nothing\> how goes it
46:02 <Ampera> Nothing\, no, never heard of them
46:04 <Nothing\> Ampera, actually you guys just gave us 1.5 million vaccines
46:05 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, Iäm not quite sure I get what zou meant :D
46:24 <T3sl4> shrug, we've just been touting "doses"
46:29 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh that's a shame, they're both top notch shows
46:32 <Nothing\> hey T3sl4
46:36 * T3sl4 doses Nothing\ with 1000ccs of hugs, stat
46:42 <Lemon> hello Ysjoelfir ! kontakt 60 and 61 were the one you once told me to get, right ? :>
46:44 * Nothing\ tackle hugs T3sl4 
46:48 <Nothing\> hey melon
46:49 <Ysjoelfir> yes
46:55 <Lemon> aight thanks buddy !
47:05 <Lemon> hi Nothing\ :>
47:06 <Nothing\> or should i call you le mon
47:13 <Lemon> xd le mon !
47:14 <Lemon> perfectr
47:15 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, Шчат И меан ис, шчы донжт ыоу усе тче Герман лаыоут инстеад оф тче Енглисч оне.
47:49 <T3sl4> no es lemon, limon es fuente
47:54 <Ampera> 24 hours of le mons
48:02 <Lemon> hooo Ysjoelfir I totally forgot but I think I saw one on your bench, you have a knipex stripper, right ?
48:20 <Lemon> im not sure
48:49 <Ysjoelfir> which one? I have many knipex stuff
49:00 <Ampera> the knipex thing that's taking its clothes off
49:01 <Nothing\> schat y myean ees shchi donsht ieyoo yoose tche german daioyoot eenstyead of tche yengleesch onye
49:10 <Nothing\> that's what you said transliterated, Ampera
49:21 <Lemon> well I looked around, and I thought about investing in this particular model https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B000R895YM/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1
49:22 <eevBot> [Title] -
49:24 <Nothing\> there's no russian way to say the sound "th"
49:33 <Lemon> maybe you have a similar one, or know about it ?
49:37 <Nothing\> actually a lot of languages don't have a "th" sound
49:39 <Ampera> Nothing\, you do know that I read russian cyrillics, and I did not intend that to be understandable
50:00 <Nothing\> that's why with a lot of accents people will pronounce "th" sounds as "t"
50:08 <Ampera> I typed straight into a russian layout keyboard (russian student layout actually) what I'd have typed in english
50:12 <Nothing\> Ampera, oh yeah, but i take any chance i can get to practice reading cyrillic
50:12 <T3sl4> :-Þ
50:20 <Ysjoelfir> ah yes, I have that one. it works great.
50:33 * Ampera breaks T3sl4's nose off, punches his thorn
50:35 <Nothing\> i actually found a russian/english dictionary here, but some of the translations are suspect
50:47 <Lemon> yeah ? you can adjust depth/lengh, which is what I want !
50:54 <Ysjoelfir> yep
51:00 <Nothing\> like the one translation claimed to say "you are a nice one to be sure" but translated into something like "you good"
51:01 <Lemon> I keep doing it with a lighter, so maybe its time to invest
51:09 <rust_collector> Ok, I should stop pinging your test site, maybe
51:09 <Ysjoelfir> you know what I hate?
51:12 <Nothing\> it was literally only 2 words of russian
51:16 <Lemon> ok so if you have it and like it, it makes me want it even more :>
51:17 <Lemon> no ?
51:35 <Ysjoelfir> now that I opened that link from frenchistan, my amazon is switched automatically to that stupid language again :P
51:41 <Nothing\> but the single word translations seem pretty on the ball
51:43 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, nah, have fun if you want :D
51:47 <Ampera> Нотхинг, йоу аре а преттй фарт смеллер.
51:53 <Lemon> ha yeah ? damn weird I keep openning links of other countries and it doesnt do that oO
51:55 <Nothing\> Ysjoelfir, i had that problem with uhh. what was was that site.
52:12 <rust_collector> --- pditest.pdi.engineering ping statistics ---
52:12 <rust_collector> 4125 packets transmitted, 429 received, 89.6% packet loss
52:20 <Lemon> about IPA, im thinking that a bottle of 1L isnt a great idea
52:31 <Lemon> or maybe that + a small empty bottle to refill ?
52:38 <Lemon> how you guys do ?
52:46 <Ampera> Lemon, depends on if you mean the beer or the isopropanol
52:47 <Nothing\> notkeeng ?oy are a prettee fart smeller
52:59 <Ysjoelfir> erm..... thats strange rust_collector :D thats not that many packets and still that much loss? I should tell my hoster.
53:03 <Lemon> isopropyl alc yes :>
53:04 <Ampera> that's not the transliteration of х
53:13 <Nothing\> or notcheeng, that K sound doesn't transliterate well into english
53:23 <Lemon> 1L doesnt seem too easy to use
53:27 <Ampera> in fact that was pretty inaccurate
53:35 <Lemon> maybe I can get a 100ml flexible bottle or something
53:36 <Nothing\> also Ampera the letter й is meant to augment the sound of other sounds
53:40 <Lemon> and refill it
53:42 <Ampera> no it's not
53:47 <Ampera> it's a letter in its own right
53:48 <Nothing\> so like oй is oy
53:56 <Nothing\> it is a letter yes
54:18 <Nothing\> but it's silent on its own, it's used to augment sounds, like hard sign and soft sign
54:30 <Ampera> I'd be willing to bet it's not
54:47 <Nothing\> Ampera, truthufully i've heard both
54:58 <Nothing\> that it makes its own sound and that it augments sounds
55:24 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_I
55:25 <eevBot> [Title] - Short I - Wikipedia
55:37 <Nothing\> but instead of й i usually just use the letter и
55:38 <Ampera> Well all letters in most alphabets augment the sounds of letters next to them
55:55 <Nothing\> not all, but a lot. This is true.
56:02 <Nothing\> anyways, i have some sweet potato fries to devour
56:02 <Ampera> however it's specifically the yuh sound
56:03 <Nothing\> brb
56:15 <Nothing\> ahh okay
56:16 <Ampera> ciao, I'll be heading to my vaccine appointment soon
56:30 <Nothing\> see i heard that, but in my russian dictionary, it says it's silent and only augments sounds
56:33 <Nothing\> which was confusing
56:42 <Nothing\> obviously this dictionary has some questionable content
56:56 <Nothing\> btw you want a link to a good russian tutorial?
57:03 <Ampera> no
57:05 <Nothing\> it's the one i've been going back to every so often for years
57:08 <Nothing\> fair enough
57:15 <Nothing\> alright, off to the yam sticks!
57:16 <Nothing\> bbiab
57:19 <Ampera> I rarely learn well through tutorials
57:52 <Nothing\> i learn best by watching then doing, but i've been getting better with watching then doing
58:01 <Nothing\> then retention is attained through constant practice
58:33 <Ampera> I learn through putting pieces together myself, and then practicing what I've constructed
15:23 <Nothing\> that makes sense
15:36 <Nothing\> so Ampera, did I tell you I bought a new single board computer?
17:30 <Nothing\> https://wdc65xx.com/Single-Board-Computers/w65c816sxb/
17:31 <eevBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
18:10 <Nothing\> uses a variant of the same CPU as the SNES and some variation of the Apple ][ that I can never remembre
18:13 <Nothing\> se? maybe
18:32 <Nothing\> but best of all, it has an emulation mode where it can emulato a 6502
18:40 <Nothing\> so I get the best of both worlds-
19:22 <Nothing\> it even comes with a monitor and its own IDE proprietary to WDC
19:42 Join: TheDude ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
19:47 <Nothing\> i didn't realize though after exchange and shipping, it came to over $100
19:54 <Nothing\> which is a far cry from a $2 arduino
20:16 <Nothing\> but i got it more for education than anything. I hope one day to write my own programs for the NES or SNES
20:51 <Nothing\> plus I found out that the 65c02 I bought is basically useless without the supporting chipset.
21:05 <T3sl4> bet it can't run far cry
21:34 <Nothing\> it doesn't even have a XGA adaper
21:43 <Nothing\> or any video adapter
22:01 <Nothing\> i guess you could rig one up, but all graphics processing would be done through the cpu
22:30 <Nothing\> but with all of the perihperal port options, you could probably rig up some sort of video output
22:36 <Nothing\> interface
23:27 <T3sl4> those things aren't usually fast enough to bit bang any kind of useful video, you'll need a CRTC or other interface
23:45 <Nothing\> this is just the thing I've been looking for though. I started learning 6502 ASM through Skilldrick's Easy6502 tutorial. But once I found out it doesn't support interrupts I became disillusioned and gave up on it.
24:12 <Nothing\> T3sl4, well, the CMOS version is quite a bit faster than the NMOS version
24:19 <Nothing\> lemme see what speeds it's got here
24:53 <Nothing\> up to a blazing 14mhz
25:15 <T3sl4> how many cycles/instruction average?
25:22 <T3sl4> (MIPS/MHz)
25:45 <Nothing\> is this an actual video i can work out, or do i have to go trhough the instruction list and give an estimate?
25:57 <Nothing\> video/metric
26:30 <T3sl4> idunno, what's the spread?
27:00 <Nothing\> well i can't seem to loo it up on google
27:04 <T3sl4> like, offhand i recall Z80 is mostly 4 cyc/inst with some 3's and others 7, 8 ,11, 12, that sort of thing
27:09 <Nothing\> lemme peruse the instruction set and see
27:14 <T3sl4> so, it's close to 0.2 MIPS/MHz
28:49 <Nothing\> hrm i couldn't tell you, but i'd imagine it'd be close to the 6502
28:56 <Nothing\> it's basically just a 16 bit 6502-
31:04 <Nothing\> oh okay i found a chart on wiki that compares MIPS of various chips and systems from the days of yore
31:20 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second#Timeline_of_instructions_per_second
31:21 <eevBot> [Title] - Instructions per second - Wikipedia
31:43 <Nothing\> 0.145 for the z80
31:55 <T3sl4> i recall seeing errors on that page, dunno if it's been updated lately
32:06 <Nothing\> 0.43 for the 6502
32:12 <Nothing\> but those are nmos versions
32:37 <T3sl4> oh here we go, p24 https://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/documentation/w65c816s.pdf
32:38 <eevBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
32:45 <Nothing\> ah beauty
32:46 <T3sl4> from a link from your link
32:58 <Nothing\> i've been making my way through that datasheet slowly but haven't gotten too far into it yet
34:32 <Nothing\> i basically downoladed every datasheet for every chip on the SBC i bought and the SBC itself, and got a pdf of a programming manual for the 65c816 which was $40 on amazon, but free as a pdf from some site
34:33 <T3sl4> 2-8 with an average around 4 or so, plus some change for various conditions
35:23 <Nothing\> one of these days i'll read thorugh them. But I have a terrible habit of falling asleep within minutes of starting to read.
35:26 <Nothing\> it really sucks.
35:29 <T3sl4> and 8MHz, so let's say 2 MIPS if you code the inner loop carefully. could feed a shift register ala atari 2600, but good luck bit banging any kind of video via ports alone
36:31 <Nothing\> well it's got VIA, PIA and ACIA
36:37 <Nothing\> plus something called XBUS
36:58 <Nothing\> plus usb
37:24 <Nothing\> but i think that's maainly for uploading programs and power supply
38:09 <Nothing\> heh
38:26 <Nothing\> WDC even sells FPGAs ande FPGA devboards for a fair price
38:34 <Nothing\> like < $100
38:38 <T3sl4> heh, there's more transistors in the USB interface (PIO? UART?) than the rest of the board
39:46 <Nothing\> well, here's the short datasheet on the actual board I got: https://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/documentation/W65C816SXB.pdf
39:47 <eevBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
39:58 <Nothing\> gives a basic rundown of what's included on it
40:08 <Nothing\> and various features
40:41 <Nothing\> hackaday had a lot o positive things to say about these computers
41:14 <Nothing\> USB FIFO, that's what it uses
42:52 <Nothing\> it's a lot smaller than i expected. From the pics, I woulda figured it was gonna be 20cm x 20cm but it's only half that size
43:51 <T3sl4> 20cm is about twice what i had guessed
44:11 <Nothing\> mechanical drawings say 10cm x 10cm
44:24 <Nothing\> so, probably about the size of a pi if it were square
44:51 <Nothing\> hahaha
45:23 <Nothing\> the core from that rocket that took china's core to their new space station to orbit is fall out of control and risks landing in a populated area
45:49 <Nothing\> they said as far south as new zealand, or as far north as ontario or upstate new york.
46:09 <Nothing\> that'd be cool, if he got hit with chinese space debris
46:18 <Nothing\> he=w
46:19 <Nothing\> e
46:59 <Nothing\> ah fuck i've gotta go to the dentist in an hour
47:04 <Nothing\> i should probably start getting ready
47:18 <Nothing\> got about my 15th root canal and a filling
47:19 <Nothing\> yay
47:35 <Nothing\> anyways, take care you yourself T3sl4. It's been nice talking.
47:40 <T3sl4> enjoy
47:43 <Nothing\> Cheers, bro. =)
47:51 <Nothing\> oh, i will
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15:22 <electrohead> o/
15:33 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. ex beer
17:45 <electrohead> not mr. ex beer quite yet
17:48 <electrohead> :p
18:17 <rust_collector> soon to be beer bear
18:39 <rust_collector> a bare beer bear
23:22 <Ampera> Just got my second shot
26:23 <T3sl4> i'm not throwing away my shot
27:43 * Ampera throws whey at T3sl4
28:13 * T3sl4 doesn't throw precious Schott labware at Ampera
30:04 * Ampera riddles T3sl4 with microcracks and uneven stress patterns
30:42 * T3sl4 anneals Ampera at 350F for 2 hours
30:53 <rust_collector> instantly
32:42 * Ampera cryogenically quenches T3sl4, and then knocks him on the table, shattering him into a million peices
32:53 * Ampera heats the peices and serves them with rice
33:12 * T3sl4 sprinkles potassium benzoate on the rice
34:20 * Ampera ignites the rice, and watches it rocket to the sky, whistling as it goes
37:11 <rust_collector> *WheEeEeEeeeee*
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03:07 <Lemon> hmmm the more I read, and the more I think its not necessary to use lugs for cables I want to make
03:21 <Lemon> actually some national labs are using wires, they just cut them when the tip is damaged
03:37 <Lemon> so its not worth it for me to spend a lot on lugs/crimping tool
04:14 <Lemon> I prefer to spend that money on something that will be more useful
04:52 <rust_collector> YOU said you would use them all the time, for all kinds of wires, from 0.00000000000000,1 to a million³ ²
06:00 <Lemon> stripping tool yes
06:08 <Lemon> not the crimping tool :>
06:16 <Lemon> hence why I dont want to spend too much on it
06:26 <Lemon> and in fact its not really necessary for now
06:52 <Lemon> I will get some nice copper/silver plated, shielded ptfe cable, it seems to be the best for what I want
07:01 <rust_collector> blah blah blah. you have looked at them now, and you will buy them sooner or later. just get it done
07:09 <Lemon> ofc 0.1ppm wont matter for me, but you know, its always nice to have
07:12 <Lemon> nahhh xD
07:18 <Lemon> stripping one yeah I want and will buy it
07:30 <Lemon> but 90 euros for a tool that I will use 1 hour, nah
07:49 <Lemon> im always weighting price/usefulness
07:53 <Lemon> before buying anything
07:55 <rust_collector> you can crimp a LOT of wires in an hour
08:06 <Lemon> heh yes but do I need them ?
08:28 <Lemon> instead I'll take some IPA, and kontakt 60-61 as Ysjoelfir said, I don't have any
09:04 <rust_collector> good idea
10:14 <Lemon> that little pcb holder seems nice too
10:20 <Lemon> im tired of the shitty ones I have
11:05 <Ysjoelfir> you should ask electrohead for some IPA
12:55 <Lemon> all good, amazon got me covered :>
13:13 <Lemon> I wonder the difference of a multi-stranded wire vs a single core one for voltage/resistance measurements
13:19 <Ysjoelfir> but his IPA probably tastes better. a lot better.
14:24 <Lemon> but I quited IPA a few years ago... terrible addiction
17:10 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/222280078120?hash=item33c0ecd328:g:jc8AAOSwRgJXhaVQ
17:11 <eevBot> [Title] - PTFE Twisted 26AWG Precision blindé plaqué argent signal fil de câble 3 m | eBay
17:26 <Lemon> this kind of wire looks perfect for voltage measurement, and maybe 2 wire resistance too
18:59 <Lemon> thats true when you think about it, even the best low emf banana/spade/lug wont be as good as a direct connection, as you still need to wait for thermal equilibrium
19:17 <Lemon> which is good for the price aswell, no need to spend on them
20:14 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/sdJiGtV.jpg
20:32 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/262521918004?hash=item3d1f869234:g:wM0AAOSw0kNXhadx also this type, I don't know which one is the best
20:33 <eevBot> [Title] - NEW OLD STOCK M17/S5.RG160 PTFE Silver blindé câble de signal fil 3 m | eBay
20:37 <Lemon> I read that twisted wire is preferable
21:46 <rust_collector> oh, silver or silver... hmmm
22:36 <rust_collector> twisted sister twisted sister
22:45 <rust_collector> twisted or stranded?
23:10 <Lemon> good question !
23:38 <rust_collector> you know you need all of them, right?
23:56 <Lemon> ive seen a soviet electrometer, guy said they are nowadays rare because lots of them were salvaged for precious metals, they contain about 12g of gold, same of silver, some palladium/platinum and sapphire insulators
24:00 <Lemon> nahhhh
24:57 <Lemon> why you always do this to me rusty :(
25:04 <rust_collector> yeeeessss. flexible or not, high frequency, or not? much current? maybe not? perhaps you need some better insulated stuff, for high voltage?
25:18 * electrohead offers many IPA's
26:04 <rust_collector> will you have signals going thru the wires? maybe they need to be twisted? or shielded, or... not?
26:31 <Lemon> I want test leads for voltage, resistance measurements, thats it :>
26:43 <rust_collector> we will see about that...
26:58 <rust_collector> ok, just buy some wire
27:06 <Lemon> so from what I read, ptfe insulation is nice, a single metal is best to avoid thermal emf, twisted is best for whatever reason, and here we go
27:24 <Lemon> I might get some mueller croco clips, for other purposes, the clips I have are utter shit
27:38 <Lemon> theres a lot scattered around the room as I throw them in anger all the time
27:42 <rust_collector> yeah, you can send those up here
27:57 <Lemon> well I doubt I'll throw them far enough but I can try
30:22 <rust_collector> I only work with the worst quality things
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32:30 <Lemon> ho trust me you'd hate those aswell
32:34 <Lemon> they simply dont clamp
32:44 <rust_collector> sure.
32:50 <Lemon> on pic they looked nice, I knew they were cheapass stuff but I thought they would at least crip
32:52 <rust_collector> I hate well
32:54 <Lemon> but no they are really horrible
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55:14 <rust_collector> ok, as we are messing with web things, I updated my profile on the forum. first thing I found...
16:12 <rust_collector> Lemon... don't you need one of these: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/buysellwanted/fs-(eu)-pearson-current-monitor-model-411/
16:15 <eevBot> [Title] - FS (EU): PEARSON CURRENT MONITOR MODEL 411 - Page 1
16:52 <Lemon> hehhh not really no
16:57 <Lemon> damn 200 euros
17:05 <Lemon> what is so expensive about those ?
17:20 <rust_collector> probably just that it is not crap?
18:51 <Lemon> sure, but 200 euros for a used thingie like this is a lot, and I wonder what is it made of
19:09 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BG7TBL-GPSDO-10MHz-lab-standard-10MHz-distribution-amplifier/303978587834
19:10 <rust_collector> ok
19:11 <eevBot> [Title] - BG7TBL GPSDO 10MHz lab standard & 10MHz distribution amplifier | eBay
24:03 <Lemon> I have this one
24:17 <Lemon> also the gpsdo and the fa-1 frequency meter
24:18 <rust_collector> but not very many?
24:30 <Lemon> heh thats enough :>
24:35 <Lemon> I like them, works nice
24:52 <Lemon> Im still tempted by a rubidium gpsdo but well cant have everything
25:04 <rust_collector> sure you can
26:08 <rust_collector> haha, gpib things.... pfffftttt
37:07 * electrohead turns rust_collector into a GPIB thing
37:45 * T3sl4 sticks a needle in GPIB_collector, watches it pfffftttt away aimlessly like a balloon
38:30 <rust_collector> i wonder if lemon would use that cockr---current transformer, and get some measurable output thru it
42:57 <T3sl4> it's a nice item, if a bit pricey
46:52 <rust_collector> yes, it looks pretty comfortable
01:11 <electrohead> a customer just came in, looking rough.. mentioned to me that he saw his wife with another man today
01:13 <electrohead> :/
04:47 <T3sl4> did you direct him to your strongest bourbon?
04:56 <rust_collector> yes... people.....
09:50 <coppice> yeah, the bourbon that really takes the biscuit
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10:39 <electrohead> we don't carry hard liquor, just beer
10:50 <electrohead> that's a different license we would have to pay for, in order to serve that
11:42 <rust_collector> and you don't get robbed all the time either?
13:03 <T3sl4> oh right
30:13 <electrohead> nope
30:15 <electrohead> lol
31:15 <rust_collector> when you get your new job, you will be robbed in less than a month. and you only have a big stash of windows xp recovery cds
32:21 <rust_collector> it just has to be like that. but it is ok, pretend you do not like it, but "give up" and give them the cds, so you don't have to carry them out in the dumpster
33:51 <electrohead> hahaha
33:57 <electrohead> https://old.reddit.com/r/WinStupidPrizes/comments/n3px4k/todays_prize_is_penetration/
33:58 <eevBot> [Title] - Too Many Requests
35:16 <rust_collector> mmhmm mmhmmmm
35:23 <rust_collector> yeees yeeees
36:10 <rust_collector> think how simple it would be, if people could just hook their stuff up to a million volts
42:06 <electrohead> a zapped anus
42:08 <electrohead> heh
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00:43 <alfbaz> morning
00:49 <alfbaz> goos
00:53 <alfbaz> good
02:35 <T3sl4> oh cool, this guy's still making videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1G4JFuLlO8
02:36 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: rumination | combatting repetitive thoughts [cc]
03:05 <T3sl4> if anyone finds that helpful :)
03:37 <rust_collector> yes... ok..... good night
14:00 <alfbaz> sleep tight
14:29 * alfbaz thanks T2sl4 for an interesting link
14:44 <alfbaz> argh T3sl4
18:06 * T3sl4 alfbaz++
22:40 <electrohead> T3sl4#
24:48 * T3sl4 sings off-key
28:23 <electrohead> lol
28:33 <electrohead> eevBot: give beer to T3sl4
28:33 * eevBot gets T3sl4 annihilated
28:56 <T3sl4> :P
30:59 <electrohead> I picked up a four pack of Dragon's Milk yesterday :D
34:35 <T3sl4> excellent choice
41:10 <electrohead> so good <3
41:37 <electrohead> I may summon a user in this very channel, to help with eevBot development, if he wishes
41:48 * electrohead pokes jaymax
46:21 <alfbaz> how hard would it be to hook it up to one of the many online assistants such as alexi, siri or google
52:57 <electrohead> hook what up?
53:05 <T3sl4> your nipples
53:12 * T3sl4 brandishes a car battery
00:05 <electrohead> lmfao
11:37 <alfbaz> current conducting nipples aside I mean redirect text meant for the bot to one of the online assistants and have the response redirected here
12:20 <electrohead> ahh
12:40 <electrohead> that would be a bigger project I would have to tackle :P
13:25 <alfbaz> copyright 2021 alfbax
13:34 <electrohead> lol
13:40 <alfbaz> jeez I cant even spell my own name
14:29 <alfbaz> what language is the bot written in?
14:58 <electrohead> eevBot: about
14:58 <eevBot> I am eevBot v1.0, made in python, with love. Hear me roar.
16:31 * alfbaz strangle python with his bare hands only to realise he has missed a % 20 and is been eaten by the python arse first :P
16:46 <electrohead> lol
21:18 <alfbaz> tried a bit of it for a cura 3d slicing program plugin. I'm still having nightmares over the ordeal
27:16 <alfbaz> There is presently a preponderance of precipitation pouring from the sky
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02:32 * hsn sends T3sl4's coordinates payload to chineese failed rocket
03:50 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://imgur.com/gallery/BluAq3a
03:51 <eevBot> [Title] - Bird professor FTW - Album on Imgur
08:50 * T3sl4 sends hsn a payload of one ceramic chip capacitor
14:33 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @mikelectricstuf: Just when you thought people had run out of ways to con audiophools out of money. "..we’ve isolated key factors that a…
40:12 <alfbaz> hmmm seems like the problem I'm having with my server closing down my ssh connection whilst on irc program and then the program remaining logged in can be solved with the linux screen command :)
53:39 <alfbaz> brb
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58:01 <flyback> audiophools
58:02 <flyback> hahaha
58:12 <flyback> I have a friend who got sucked into that shit
58:22 <flyback> I can't beat it out of his head with a sledgehammer
59:00 <flyback> then on the flip side I have a friend who bought a nice mini tube amp for his pc
59:03 <flyback> that I understand
00:14 <flyback> there's some logic to a tube amp having a different sound profile than say a all solid state one even if today they are pretty close
00:27 <flyback> but $5000 ether cards for better sound? wtf?
01:12 <flyback> not card
01:13 <flyback> cable
06:48 <flyback> im sure somewhere there are $5000 audio cables worth paying for
07:07 <flyback> such as ones rated for 500 semi truck run overs for concert organizations
07:15 <flyback> otherwise blah
23:57 * electrohead blah's flyback
38:15 <alfbaz> so this screen command seems way cool
39:52 <alfbaz> I wonder if I can "attach" to a screen twice so I can see the same one on 2 differnet machines
45:24 <alfbaz> well look at that you can. I'm typing on one pc and can see it on the other in real time, beauty!
47:10 <alfbaz> All you penguins are probably looking at me saying, Look the monkey learned how to use a rock as a hammer :P
55:12 <T3sl4> ape strong
55:53 <alfbaz> look out he's tying the rock to a stick :o
56:52 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEiK9StSfQ
56:53 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Simpsons - He's Got A Board With A Nail In It
56:56 <alfbaz> sorry but I've never been so excited by something so 70's
57:09 <alfbaz> LOL love that ep
57:50 <T3sl4> such a classic
05:56 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Phone systems are a dumpster staple https://t.co/jo5ZTR33qV
09:59 <alfbaz> LMAO, I just showed the missus this screen stuff. She slapped me on the back of the head and told me to go mow the lawn
10:14 <alfbaz> :(
52:07 <electrohead> lmfao
53:06 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
53:07 * T3sl4 beers on the back of the electrohead 
53:16 <T3sl4> evenin Ampera
53:36 * Ampera falls asleep on top of T3sl4 
53:39 * electrohead gets hugged and beered
53:47 <T3sl4> aww
54:14 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
54:17 <Ampera> how are you doing T3sl4
54:38 <T3sl4> i'm watching a vid and sipping a beverage
55:22 <electrohead> I'm playing on my xbox and sipping a beverage
55:31 <Ampera> you weirdos and your beverages
56:38 * electrohead tosses a dragon's milk at Ampera
56:46 <Ampera> no thank you
56:54 * Ampera tosses a water at electrohead 
58:53 <T3sl4> hydrohomie
02:41 <electrohead> lol
02:42 <electrohead> :p
18:01 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: https://i.redd.it/bwubxriwtww61.png
50:59 <electrohead> o/
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06:44 <Lemon> hi !
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11:30 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
11:55 <Ysjoelfir> lol T3sl4 :D
23:25 <Lemon> morning :>
33:12 <K> hello aardvarks
38:49 <Lemon> hmmm I thought the unstability of my adc board was due to the arduino powering it so I tried with a lab supply instead
38:54 <Lemon> doesnt seem to change a lot
39:27 <Lemon> its weird because it jumps randomly but not like its noise, lets say 3 times in a row I have the good reading, to 10ppm stability
39:45 <Lemon> and bam one reading totally wrong by 100+ppm, then back to the good ones for 6-7 times in a row etc
55:39 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - If your parts are tilted after soldering, get your ruler out. If it's under 1/4 the height, no worries says NASA, s… https://t.co/wEKyKMLyF9
12:09 <Lemon> ho, got a 450 euros offer for my 1080
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35:09 <Lemon> hmmm im scared of selling my gpu on ebay now
35:22 <Ysjoelfir> why
35:24 <Lemon> I thought "what if the guy say it doesnt work and ask for a refund"
35:34 <Lemon> ebay protect the buyer and not the seller
35:39 <Lemon> in 99.9% of the cases
35:46 <Ysjoelfir> thats correct
35:58 <Lemon> I got an offer at 450 right now
36:13 <Lemon> the guy got only 3 evaluations, but that means nothing as a buyer
36:20 <Lemon> I don't know what to do :/
41:43 <Lemon> if nobody bid on my listing, I can cancel it for free ?
43:19 <alfbaz> 450 euros? I know they have kept up a good price second hand but that much, or is it due to the gfx card shortage?
43:43 <Lemon> shortage yes
43:49 <alfbaz> ah ok
43:50 <Lemon> thats mostly why im selling it
43:55 <Lemon> too good to be passed
44:04 <Lemon> but shit if the guy pull a trick I'd be sad
44:08 <Lemon> and now im scared of that
49:32 <Halcyon> Hey guys
50:08 <Lemon> yo !
50:22 <Halcyon> Sup Lemon?
50:32 <Lemon> hehhh I have a dilema !
50:35 <Halcyon> Oh?
50:41 <Lemon> as you maybe know im selling my gtx 1080 on ebay
50:59 <Lemon> one guy just made me an offer at 450 euros, which is perfect (400 after taxes, double of what I paid 2 years ago)
51:05 <Lemon> but im scared of scams
51:11 <Lemon> as ebay protects the buyer
51:18 <Halcyon> Understandable
51:27 <Lemon> I asked the guy what he will do with it, he just answered me "I will use it for mining"
51:33 <Lemon> what do you think
51:39 <Halcyon> Well your dispute will be with Paypal more than likely, rather then ebay
51:39 <Lemon> its hard to say
51:50 <Lemon> yeah but how to prove anything ? :/
51:55 <Lemon> even videos arent working
52:10 <Halcyon> All you need to do is read the "Seller protection" policy and do what it says
52:28 <Lemon> yeah basically nothing
52:30 <Lemon> thats the issue
52:34 <Halcyon> Usually shipping receipt showing tracking number is enough, but for high value items, I photograph the box (inside and out)
52:55 <Lemon> im afraid he'll say "its dead" and send back a dead one
53:27 <Halcyon> Photograph the card itself, along with any serial numbers
53:39 <Halcyon> That way if it is "dead" and the card that comes back is different, you'll know
55:10 <Lemon> yeah I will do that
55:19 <Lemon> the guy got only 3 eval, all positive
55:23 <Lemon> but thats hard to say anyway
55:28 <Halcyon> Yeo
55:29 <Halcyon> Yep
58:24 <Lemon> im talking with the guy to see a bit what kind he is
58:33 <Lemon> thats unusual for me to sell on ebay
58:40 <Lemon> he said he got a 1060 and a 2060 in a mining rig
58:48 <Lemon> that sounds weird but those days people are buying everything
01:41 <Halcyon> Just be careful, as a buyer, I'd be put off a seller asking me questions.
01:50 <Lemon> yeah I know I know
02:01 <Lemon> not an issue if I lose this one
02:12 <Lemon> lots of people are following the deal
02:28 <Halcyon> Is it on auction or buy it now?
02:59 <Lemon> buy it now with make an offer
03:22 <Halcyon> Why not send to auction, obviously a lot of people are interested, particularly with the price of RAM etc... going crazy
03:26 <Halcyon> Get top dollar for it
05:30 <Lemon> ho well from what I saw they tend to sell easier on buy it now
06:20 <Lemon> what do you think
06:26 <Lemon> I took a picture of the serial number
06:36 <Lemon> idk if it appears on gpu z tho, I could try it
06:50 <Lemon> theres the device id, but id if its written on the card
09:17 <Lemon> heh while I was talking with him, I asked him if he can show me his mining rig, as im really interested by it (which is false but whatever)
09:28 <Lemon> as you said, it would also put me off
09:55 <Lemon> but I thought it would be a nice technique to see if he actually got a mining rig, or if he's just trying to scam me
11:38 <Lemon> idk I have a bad feeling about this guy
12:21 <Halcyon> Hey, even if he is trying to scam you, as long as you follow policy, you won't lose any money
12:49 <Halcyon> But, I would send it to auction. You'll get more legitimate bidders that way.
15:01 <Lemon> well looking at how many horror stories there is on ebay, idk about that :/
15:21 <Lemon> I want to avoid auctions because of bots, and looking at prices they tend to go low
15:29 <Halcyon> *shrug* As I said, it's very low risk if you just do what's required of you for seller protection
16:29 <Lemon> I want to believe that, but look on the net, man its like buyer wins 99% of the time...
16:36 <Lemon> im really scared, thats a lot of money for me
16:47 <Lemon> and that guy is answering me weirdly
16:50 <Lemon> haaaaaaaa
16:54 <Lemon> get me out of there !
24:43 <steve30> hi
25:40 <Halcyon> Lemon, I don't agree with that at all
26:02 <Halcyon> Don't believe what you read on the internet. Chances are, those sellers never read the policy, didn't comply with it, that's their fault.
26:11 <Halcyon> I've had someone try to scam me, Paypal sided with me
26:28 <Lemon> ok, I want to believe you
26:35 <Lemon> so I will show you my deal
26:39 <Lemon> can you please tell me if its fine ?
26:46 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/284282568282
26:47 <eevBot> [Title] - NVIDIA PNY GeForce GTX 1080 8 Go Carte Graphique Mining/Gaming GPU | eBay
26:58 <Lemon> on a picture we can see the serial number, by zooming in its readable
27:10 <Lemon> so as you said, if he send me back something without it or wrong one I can at least prove it ?
27:21 <Halcyon> Mmmm BARELY readable
27:37 <Halcyon> Absolutely
27:56 <Halcyon> Amend the ad, include a close up photo of the label
29:07 <Lemon> shit I think I can't add pictures
29:12 <Halcyon> In any case, you don't have to accept returns
29:48 <Halcyon> If he claims faulty, put it back on him. Tell him it was working when it was sent, he must have done something or it was damaged in transit. Offer him to pay for postal insurance, if he declines, well that's on him.
30:24 * steve30 snuggles up to Halcyon 
30:31 <Lemon> well its barely readable but still readable I think
30:33 <Lemon> hmmm
30:34 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
30:41 <Lemon> what do you mean ? to ask him to send it back basically ?
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30:48 <Halcyon> I would say that isn't readable, or at least, open to interpretation
30:50 <Lemon> and yes I will send it with a signature when he gets i
30:53 <Halcyon> No not at all
30:57 <Halcyon> Refuse to accept returns
31:01 <Lemon> arf but I can't add a picture now :/
31:07 <Lemon> yeah I refused them
31:08 <Halcyon> Has the listing closed?
31:08 <Ysjoelfir> steve, could you please convince me to go outside and mode a bit? I have the feeling that those months of not doing anything is slowly degrading my health
31:16 <Ysjoelfir> *move
31:19 <Lemon> no it isnt, still open
31:22 <Halcyon> Can you amend the listing text to include serial?
31:25 <Lemon> I can modify paiement options
31:27 <Halcyon> That's weird you can't add photos.
31:28 <Lemon> hmm lets see
31:40 * steve30 puts Ysjoelfir outside
31:50 <Lemon> no I cant
31:55 <Lemon> I can only modify paiement preferences
32:01 <Halcyon> Very strange
32:02 <Lemon> ha wait !
32:13 <Lemon> ha no
32:15 <Lemon> I cant
32:38 <Halcyon> I've never not been able to add photos or change a listing before
32:45 <Halcyon> You could "end" it and start over?
33:11 <Halcyon> But you can only do so much, offer postal insurance against damage, document/photograph everything, ask for tracking/signature on delivery
33:13 <Halcyon> Not much else you can do
34:05 <Lemon> yeah well
35:14 <Halcyon> See: https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-seller-protection
35:14 <eevBot> [Title] - Page Not Found - PayPal
35:23 <Halcyon> It says:
35:24 <Halcyon> At the very least, your documentation must include:
35:24 <Halcyon> The date the item was sent; and
35:24 <Halcyon> An official acceptance by the shipper, such as a postmark or online status. (Status that shows the item was delivered is also acceptable.)
35:24 <Halcyon> It must also include either:
35:25 <Halcyon> The recipient’s delivery address, showing at least the state, city and postcode (or international equivalent); or
35:28 <Halcyon> A receipt from Australia Post showing at least the recipient’s suburb, city or postcode (or international equivalent).
35:31 <Halcyon> Examples of proof of shipping include:
35:33 <Halcyon> A copy of the shipping receipt or shipping label that includes the delivery address, or
35:35 <Halcyon> For Australia Post eParcel customers, a copy of the consignment information page which shows the delivery address and the online tracking code that can be used to confirm delivery, or
35:38 <Halcyon> A shipping code PayPal can use online to view the shipping status and delivery address. You can get this from TNT, DHL, FedEx, Skippy Post and other carriers, or
35:41 <Halcyon> A receipt issued by the carrier, signed by the recipient acknowledging delivery.
35:48 <Halcyon> Obviously this is AU policy, you should read the one applicable to you
36:10 <Lemon> yeah its the same
42:35 <Lemon> you know what, I have somebody that want to buy it locally
42:38 <Lemon> I prefer this solution
42:43 <Halcyon> Even better
42:47 <Lemon> yeah fuck ebay
42:50 <Lemon> I take down the listing
42:53 <Lemon> im too scared of it
43:06 * Halcyon gives Lemon a squeeze
43:13 <Lemon> thanks, I needed it :>
52:05 <steve30> i should install Windows XP on my newly-SSD'd thinkpad
52:15 <Halcyon> :D
52:18 <Halcyon> Yessum
52:36 <Halcyon> Don't forget to install SSD tools so you can run TRIM commands etc...
52:47 <Halcyon> AFAIK, Windows XP doesn't support those natively
54:03 <Lemon> guy accepts via paypal, for the price I was offered on ebay
54:05 <Lemon> so all good
54:10 <Lemon> I will take pictures etc
54:19 <Lemon> im trusting paypal more than ebay
54:29 <Halcyon> If it's a private arrangement outside of ebay, I don't know if seller protections apply?
54:30 <Lemon> from what I read, ebay opens the dispute
54:33 <Halcyon> Youll have to check
54:48 <Lemon> I think it protects mostly the seller
55:01 <Lemon> I never had any issues that way
55:05 <Lemon> lets hope I wont have any !
55:17 <Halcyon> And seller protection also doesn't apply if you personally deliver the item
55:22 <Halcyon> It must be via post/courier
56:09 <Lemon> it will be yeah
56:14 <Lemon> by local post, with signature
56:24 <Halcyon> Cool cool
04:25 <steve30> I'm intrigued as to why our current post lady doesn't wear the royal mail uniform.
07:11 <Halcyon> Maybe she is a contractor?
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14:28 <steve30> kill the bill part 2 is done
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33:35 <Lemon> on paypal it says im eliigible for seller protection
33:40 <Lemon> the guy seems alright
33:48 <Lemon> I took pictures, including serial number
34:00 <Lemon> its well packed, the electronic load box is absolutely perfect lol
34:13 <Lemon> and I will send it against signature
49:45 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
50:19 * Ampera throws up all over the channel floor
52:32 <K> how is today, Ampera ?
52:39 <K> wrt to pfizer
52:57 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
56:52 <Halcyon> T3sl4,
57:06 <Halcyon> Or Ampera
57:28 <Halcyon> Why do they shorten Ounces to oz. when there is no "Z" in it?
58:31 <steve30> maybe because its pronounced like ow-n-sez
58:40 <Ampera> that'd be my first guess
58:54 <Ampera> but it could also have a latin origin like lb
59:31 <Halcyon> Fair enoughzzzz
59:57 <Ampera> apparently it came from the italian word fornerly spelled onza
00:21 <Ampera> I feel like shit
00:27 <Halcyon> You look like shit
00:39 <Ampera> this is a much worse reaction to the vax than last time
00:51 <Ampera> I can feel the 5G antennas boring into my skull
00:54 <Halcyon> Just relax and accept the 5G
00:59 <Halcyon> It just changes your DNA a little
01:03 <K> STOP RESISTING!
01:08 <Halcyon> Exactly K
01:21 <Ampera> if it could flip my Y chromosome while it's at it, that'd be appreciated
01:33 <Halcyon> Sure, why not. Call it a "feature"
02:01 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, we have 2 cases in my state, both are known to each other and the premier is going crazy
02:02 * steve30 passes Ampera some coronaviruses to play with
02:22 <Halcyon> Masks are back on again etc... for the weekend
02:27 * Ampera plays with them like jacks
02:37 <Ampera> oh no, not masks
02:38 <steve30> 2?! However will we cope?
02:45 <Halcyon> Yes. 2.
02:46 <Ampera> what ever will you do
02:48 <Halcyon> Husband and wife
02:59 <Halcyon> Not sure where they caught it from. I think that's the unknown.
03:33 * steve30 meows innocently
03:34 <Ampera> I wonder if they'll post the footage of their state mandated incineration
03:54 * Ampera pets the steve30, tries not to throw up on him
04:07 * Ampera throws up on Halcyon instead
04:28 <Halcyon> Meh. As long as it's not poop, I can deal with bodily fluids.
04:30 <Ampera> if you were a bird, that'd have been a sign of affection
04:57 <Ampera> what I mean to say, is I'd prefer it if you were a chick
05:09 <Halcyon> So you didn't have to be a lesbian?
05:15 <K> well, the concerning thing is that it is not known where thay got it from
05:17 <Halcyon> And shop at Home Depot?
05:24 <Ampera> er wha
05:36 <Halcyon> I dunno? Apparently lesbians like hardware stores
06:09 <Ampera> but why would I otherwise have to be a lesbian
06:27 <K> to be different?
06:29 <steve30> Halcyon, do you use the LBRY programme or odysee.com?
06:29 <Halcyon> Because don't you want to be female?
06:31 <K> i dunno :/
06:44 <Halcyon> I have LBRY on my phone, odysee.com on my PC
07:10 <Ampera> I didn't know it was possible to be more confused than I already am
07:21 <Ampera> but you managed to make it happen
07:23 <Halcyon> Wait until you become sexually active :P
07:36 <Halcyon> I didn't know what the hell I was doing
07:55 <Ampera> yeah, like that'd ever happen
08:14 <Halcyon> :P
08:17 <Ampera> It'd be a cold day in hell that someone is fucked up enough to actually love me, nevermind fuck me
08:26 <Ampera> and I otherwise have better things to spend my money on
08:32 <Halcyon> Welllllll....
08:54 <Halcyon> If you weren't American, I'd like you a hell of a lot more :P
09:05 <Ampera> If you weren't Australian I'd like you
09:13 <Halcyon> Oh please, you love me
09:20 <Ampera> [citation needed]
09:28 <Ampera> there's a difference between true love and stockholm syndrome
09:36 <Halcyon> Hahahahaha
09:39 <Halcyon> I hate you :P
09:50 <Ampera> see? old dogs can learn new tricks!
10:02 <Halcyon> You calling me old?!
10:22 <Ampera> I'd settle for the more polite term of "legacy hardware"
10:28 <Halcyon> Mmmm'
10:32 <Halcyon> I'll accept that
10:43 <Halcyon> Legacy can still be cool
10:48 <Ampera> though, at your age, it's most likely to be legacy software
11:01 <Halcyon> That's where you don't know me at all :P
11:13 <Ampera> No, but it's funny either way.
11:21 <Halcyon> True
11:39 <Ampera> my IEC cables and grounding bar should be in today
11:51 <Halcyon> I guess since you are "new technology", you don't last anywhere near as long as you should and people just toss you aside?
12:08 <Ampera> I wish people tossed me aside, that'd mean they bothered to pick me up in the first place
12:25 <Ampera> I'm more like a cheap knockoff someone looks at, laughs at for a moment, and then quickly discards
12:47 <Halcyon> Like the Airphone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUT39op2Pp8
12:48 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Airphone 4 Review (Fake iPhone 4)
12:58 <Ampera> that's a blast from the past
13:03 <Halcyon> 'tis
13:25 <Ampera> back when you'd be happy with 360p on youtube so long as the quality didn't dip and turn the audio into dictaphone mode
13:41 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
13:43 <Halcyon> I love the analogy
13:49 <Ampera> anal
13:51 <Ampera> <3
14:36 <Halcyon> How would you know?
15:00 <Ampera> you don't have to taste food to think it'll be good
15:33 <Halcyon> You don't?
15:48 <Halcyon> Well I guess, thinking and knowing are different
16:14 <Ampera> all I want is for my body to stop having its own mini french revolution paired with the spanish inquisition
16:43 <Halcyon> Anyway, tell me about your toys you're getting
16:43 <Ampera> I didn't sleep at all last night
16:49 <Halcyon> Oh no :( Why?
16:55 <Ampera> side effects
17:11 <Ampera> thought that was made obvious by the, I want to throw my guts up so bad right now, comments
17:37 <Ampera> anyways, I should be getting half a dozen NEMA 6-15P to IEC C13 cables
18:00 <Ampera> and my subpanel needs a separate grounding bar to adhere to code, can't be bound like a main panel
18:02 <Ampera> and it didn't come with one
18:56 <Halcyon> Right, that's what you were saying the other day
19:04 <Halcyon> Can that just be a conductor?
19:47 <Ampera> to my knowledge, not according to code, it must be a sort of screw busbar thing, screwed into the metal case
20:02 <Halcyon> Not just a mere wire/cable
20:11 <Ampera> well how are you going to connect circuits to that
20:35 <Halcyon> Same way your home wiring connects to the street?
20:39 <Halcyon> Screw terminals and such
20:52 <Ampera> as I said, it's a bar of screw terminals
20:54 <Ampera> to bind it all together
21:02 <Halcyon> You're a bar of screw terminals
21:13 <Ampera> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00002NB4P
21:14 <eevBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
21:15 <Ampera> this sorta thing
21:25 <Halcyon> Yeh I get it
24:16 <K> "Square D"
24:19 <K> (giggle)
24:28 <Halcyon> ?
24:42 <Ampera> Square D is the brand of all the breaker gear I have
24:54 <Ampera> the box, the breakers, and everything else ended up being Square D
24:57 <Halcyon> Are... are you making a dick joke K ?
25:01 <K> yes
25:12 <K> you old slowpoke
25:14 <Halcyon> Tjat'
25:15 <Ampera> he's trying to do the humor equivalent of shoving a square peg into a round hole
25:17 <Halcyon> That's unlike you
25:18 <Halcyon> :P
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26:08 <Ampera> It is so tempting to load myself up with meds and sleep this shit off straight on till tomorrow
26:13 <Halcyon> I think we have corrupted you slightly K :P
26:23 <Halcyon> Do that Ampera
26:26 <Ampera> but I'm not sure how that'd affect the effectiveness of the vaccine
26:32 <Halcyon> Meh
26:34 <Ampera> so I'm going to try to hold out as long as I can
27:07 <Reg7805> hello everbody, how is everybody doing?
27:15 <Halcyon> They would have told you if there were any medications that you shouldnt take
27:20 <Ampera> absolutely horrible
27:24 <Halcyon> Heya Reg7805, not bad, you?
27:33 <Ampera> true, but the problem is even they probably don't know the whole story
27:34 <Reg7805> good Halcyon
27:45 <Reg7805> whatsup Ampera
27:51 <Ampera> it's sci-fi medicine that's been rushed out the door faster than a wretching dog on a carpet
27:56 * Ampera pukes up
27:59 <Ampera> that's up
28:06 <Halcyon> It's not unlike any other flu vaccine
28:12 <Halcyon> Which they design every year
28:17 <Ampera> of course it is
28:22 <Halcyon> How so?
28:25 <Ampera> it's completely novel vaccine technology never deployed at scale before
28:34 <Ampera> it's an mRNA vaccine instead of a deactivated virus vaccine
28:47 <Halcyon> Eh, Potato Potato
28:51 <Halcyon> Does the same thing in the end
28:56 <Ampera> that is also not true
29:09 <Halcyon> Inducing an immune response? How is it not true?
29:17 <Ampera> they have entirely different methods of operation, and for that reason, have rather different effects
29:18 <Reg7805> new tech, still not fully understood and dont know what the future effects of vaccine
29:26 <Halcyon> No, I get that
29:31 <Ampera> It's inducing an immune respone, but how it's induced is completely different
29:40 <Halcyon> But at the end of the day, they are all designed to produce the same antibodies
29:47 <Ampera> that is also not true
29:57 <Halcyon> Of course it's true
30:04 <Halcyon> It's about protein binding
30:06 <Ampera> the mRNA vaccines are designed to create the outer protein spikes of the coronavirus, and train the body to attack that
30:29 <Ampera> traditional vaccines usually use modified forms of (I think either cold or flu) viruses
30:45 <Ampera> grown and cultured in eggs, deactivated, and shoved in a needle
31:07 <Halcyon> Yep
31:23 <Ampera> From what I'm aware of, mRNA vaccines are uncannily effective compared to their traditional counterparts
31:37 <Halcyon> They are better yes
31:42 <Halcyon> (Generally speaking)
32:16 <Ampera> the point is, they are different, and do different things, and in medicine, minor differences can cause quite different effects
32:27 <Ampera> er, *different -> drastic
32:28 <Halcyon> Their end goal is the same
32:43 <Halcyon> And they target the same strains (currently)
32:45 <Ampera> well, ultimately, so is the original end goal of aspirin and paracetamol
32:52 <Halcyon> Kind of
32:52 <Ampera> yet they are massively different medications
32:56 <Halcyon> They do different thigns
33:07 <Ampera> or even aspirin and ibuprofen, which is a closer comparison
33:15 <Ampera> they have very different side effects and impacts on the body
33:20 <Halcyon> True, but it also depends on your illness
33:39 <Ampera> my illness?
33:58 <Halcyon> If you're having a heart attack, I wouldn't be reaching for ibuprofen or paracetemol.
34:53 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm tired and my brain is broken. I'm off to bed
34:59 <Halcyon> I hope you feel better tomorrow Ampera
35:01 <Ampera> wha?
35:11 <Ampera> isn't aspirin specifically the medicine to take for a heart attack?
35:22 <Halcyon> In the absence of anything else, it absolutely is
35:23 <Ampera> I've never heard ibuprofen having an effect, and definitely not paracetamol
35:30 <Ampera> but moreso than ibuprofen
35:32 <Halcyon> It's a blood thinner and prevents clotting
35:44 <Ampera> ibuprofen?
35:50 <Halcyon> Aspirin
35:54 <Halcyon> Chew on a few of those
36:00 <Halcyon> You might actually live
36:38 <Ampera> but you just said ibuprofen for a heart attack
36:40 <Ampera> which isn't true at all
36:52 <Ampera> wikipedia as a source, it's saying it increases the risk of heart attack when used
37:07 <Halcyon> No, I said I wouldn't be reaching for ibuprofen or paracetamol
37:15 <Halcyon> Oh gawd, Wikipedia. Hahaha
37:37 <Halcyon> There is a reason why some people actually carry Aspirin on their person as a first-aid measure.
38:01 <Halcyon> In the absence of a defribrillator, it's actually quite effective.
38:10 <Ampera> oh
38:13 <Ampera> sorry, I misread that
38:21 <Ampera> I'm propped up in bed with a laptop is why
38:30 <Ampera> and the fucking sun in my eyes
38:37 <Halcyon> Speaking of bed...
38:43 <Halcyon> I'll be on my phone if you want me
46:39 <Ysjoelfir> re
46:48 * Ysjoelfir hugs steve30
56:37 * steve30 pets Ysjoelfir 
00:52 <MrMobodies> hello
01:28 <MrMobodies> I got a Surface RT, given to me and managed to partiallly "jailbreak" it
01:40 <MrMobodies> to run some usefull stuff
01:47 <K> the jail part or the break part?
01:48 <Ysjoelfir> hello MrMobodies
01:49 <eevBot> Hello, Ysjoelfir!
02:01 <MrMobodies> it is just x86node
02:08 <steve30> That's interesting. I told Handbrake to make a video with a bitrate of 3Mbps and it made a video of 6Mbps
02:49 <MrMobodies> by the time I got it they put the final nail in the secure boot so unisgined things won't work
02:57 <Ysjoelfir> steve30, thanks for putting me outside. I enjoyed walking and going around, identifying plants. :P sadly my headache is still there, but the nausea and whatnot is gone
02:58 <MrMobodies> I am missing classicshell and irfanvew
03:15 * steve30 passes Ysjoelfir the paracetamol
03:27 <steve30> Usually coffee also helps for headaches, but Ysjoelfir might not approve of that
03:39 <Ysjoelfir> I already took some, thanks :) and I have a big cup of black tea :P
03:46 <MrMobodies> the emulator can't seem to run many things but I surprised to see it run Winamp perfetly well
04:46 <MrMobodies> oh and the enery saving auto screen dimming thing had stopped
04:53 <MrMobodies> when I disabled the Tegra 4 driver
05:12 <MrMobodies> no more dimming, great
05:48 <MrMobodies> there is tearing attimes but I don't mind, only going to be used for basic and remote stuff
06:00 <MrMobodies> pleased to see someone port and sign Puttytel to work
07:01 <MrMobodies> camera quit working but the Desptech endoscope camera seems to work okay
11:05 <MrMobodies> unfortunately the brightness can't be adjusted with the basic display driver
11:19 <MrMobodies> I brought a breakusb usb thing some years ago and it wouldn't fit
11:25 <MrMobodies> with the charger plug
11:28 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/YdnBTHQ.jpg
11:44 <MrMobodies> so last night I melted it then it fit
11:51 <MrMobodies> with the soldering iron
12:48 <MrMobodies> the only nice thing I like about it is the screen and that is it
15:33 <MrMobodies> anybody ever brog
15:45 <MrMobodies> anybody every brought or given one of those Surface RT?
16:34 <MrMobodies> I was thinking i should have sold it years ago when it was given to me than keep it as a paper weight.
17:45 <steve30> "Your Slogan Here". What an excellent slogan that is :)
18:24 <K> never seen surface rt
18:45 <K> does it youtube?
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23:17 * steve30 knows sod all about tablet computers
24:04 <MrMobodies> it is an Arm varient with Windows 8 that is locked down
24:28 <MrMobodies> A company I worked for brought a couple and I told them it was a bad idea
24:50 <MrMobodies> but they still brought them and gave one of them to me a couple of years later
25:26 <MrMobodies> they used the office package on there but it lacked visual basic and I think some formula stuff
25:56 <MrMobodies> I remembered when I just had a look at it 2017
26:05 <MrMobodies> when I got it a couple of months after
26:29 <MrMobodies> and I put it away as I lost temper with it
27:19 <MrMobodies> there was the dynamic brightness which I turned off but didn't know at the time the other dimming thing was to do with to with the Tegra 4 display driver
27:39 <MrMobodies> to save power, where Intel had a setting this one didn't
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39:03 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/K2hcFRi.png
40:54 <K> huh
41:08 <K> is that winamp emulated or native?
41:22 <MrMobodies> it looks like it is emulated
41:38 <MrMobodies> and components look like they have been ported from
47:06 <MrMobodies> ReactOS
51:41 <Ysjoelfir> steve30, I took something with me on my trip outside that you might enjoy.
52:42 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/12ClD6vM5TwhzNHlX-iS6qc5kYqqSXvfN/view?usp=sharing
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54:28 <K> nice
55:06 * Ysjoelfir likes old cameras
56:57 <steve30> cool
57:04 <steve30> don't think i've seen one of those before
57:53 <steve30> So, I put a video on youtube the other week and I seem to have completely misplaced the original source footage :/
58:18 <Ysjoelfir> Its an east german company. Welta. I have 2 more from them, a Weltix and a Trio. The Trio is a 120 size film camera and I made some adapters for that thing to work with standard 35mm :) Makes pretty cool pics.
58:49 <steve30> I've never used 120. I'm a 35mm person myself
59:20 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OmdfSyi1okLF6dckh9bbu0SaMnK7uJNQ/view?usp=sharing I just love to use 35mm film in 120 cameras. seeing the sprocket holes gives a pretty cool effect
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59:49 <Ysjoelfir> That one I took inside, obviously without a flash, on Kodak APX100
00:30 <steve30> cool
00:33 <steve30> How did you scan it?
02:08 <Ysjoelfir> Or that one on some random 30 year old film that should have been used up by 1992 xD It shows the Kanonmuseum Møvik in southern norway. realy cool effect, works perfectly for that old war ruin. https://drive.google.com/file/d/15ZfNzYcdqvYeemP0SQWuB2-i4VS41sBt/view?usp=sharing
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03:26 <Ysjoelfir> I don't scan them. I tried with various scanners, but the results were... meh. I instead use the caddy from one of the scanners, put that over a realy bright 5€ spotlight from the hardware store and photograph it with my Pentax K30 with realy low ISO and a 50mm F1.7 set to F8 or F16
05:51 <K> i have a rollei sl66
05:55 <K> it is very nice
06:22 <Ysjoelfir> I love the rolleis. but they are sooooooo expensive, way above my level
07:32 <Ysjoelfir> I always wanted one, especially since I learnt that my programming lady, which we tend to go out to take photos with from time to time, also has one. damn, I was so jealous xD
09:32 <steve30> I still have some film in my EOS 30 from a couple of years ago
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09:52 <Ysjoelfir> well, you should go out and use it? :)
10:15 <steve30> I haven't thought to as I've mostly been doing video this last year or two
10:52 <Ysjoelfir> I had some Maco TS Eagle in that Welta camera today, has been sitting for quite some time. I am very curious to see how the pics turn out, never used that material before
13:47 <steve30> I meant to buy some new chemicals last year as I have a couple of films that need developing, but I never got round to it. Maybe this year...
14:36 <Ysjoelfir> did you ever try developing it in coffee or tea? at least in germany developing in a mixture called "Caffenol" is pretty common. I do that myself, it works great (the pics I showed were made that way)
20:19 <steve30> never tried that, I normally use Ilford or Kodak chemicals
20:57 <Ysjoelfir> give it a try some day :) you only need to stock the fixative than, which keeps way longer afaik than the developer.
31:26 <electrohead> o/
32:14 <steve30> LBRY is really crap at dealing with thumbnails
34:04 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. soon to be ex beer \o
34:13 * Ysjoelfir has never played with lbrrrrry
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37:05 <electrohead> hey :P
37:32 <Ysjoelfir> mr. STBEB, I have to admit that I am a bit jealous
40:57 <electrohead> STBEB?
41:03 <Ysjoelfir> Also, does someone know how to adjust tilting doors? my balcony door beside my desk is leaking air... thats annoying and cold
41:07 <electrohead> and why jealous?
41:13 <Ysjoelfir> Soon To Be Ex Beer
41:17 <electrohead> Oh, lol
41:49 <electrohead> I literally just woke up, I'm still booting, guh
42:11 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: perhaps weather stripping?
42:13 <Ysjoelfir> lol, thats fine. And jealous: because I have been looking for a new job for over a zear now, and everzone around me seems to "just" have to snip their finger and boom, new job :P
42:55 <steve30> So, today we are having local elections, which have been delayed by a year, and the news is asking "Can I take a selfie at a polling station?".
43:30 <electrohead> lol - well, I've technically have been looking for a while now, just went in spurts in terms of looking and filling out applications
43:49 <electrohead> we could probably say, I have been looking for well over two years now?
49:52 <Ysjoelfir> hm
49:57 <Ysjoelfir> that makes me a bit less jealous
50:03 <Ysjoelfir> also steve, well, are you_
50:06 <Ysjoelfir> ?
51:47 <steve30> Not sure, i couldn't be bothered to read the article
52:38 <steve30> But Kill the Bill Part 2 featuring my uncle Richard's extinction rebellion samba band and their skeleton is uploaded:
52:39 <steve30> https://odysee.com/@steve30:3/kill_the_bill_sheffield_may_2021_part_2:c
52:40 <eevBot> [Title] - Part 2: Sheffield Kill the Bill & International Workers Day - 1st May 2021
55:45 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - How new energy research headlines work: https://t.co/LcqjrUWFQH
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56:11 <Ysjoelfir> nice that you can protest at all :D over here it slowly gets... interesting, doing protests.
57:21 <Ysjoelfir> awww, I can't like it without being an oddyssist :(
59:13 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - And sometimes they turn into TED talks, and the "inventor" isn't a scientist: https://t.co/qfZyPqoJcM
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