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42:50 <Ysjoelfir> shit
43:02 <Ampera> fuck
43:18 <Ysjoelfir> I notice how I start to get vaccination.... symptom things. damn I feel like crap :D
43:28 <Ampera> pfizer?
43:29 <Kuschelpony> oh
43:38 <Ysjoelfir> just five hours after they injected the nanobots. those things are effective!
43:43 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, no, I#m modern
43:55 <Ampera> my first shot of pfizer was just a sore arm
44:11 <Ampera> it was actually quite inflamed for a few days, the morning after the shot I woke up and my hand was actually tight
44:19 <Ampera> the second shot, I had massive stomach pains all day
44:34 <Ysjoelfir> my arm is pretty annoying, but I have the feeling like my head is exploding as well and I feel very very cold
44:44 <Ampera> it was definitely in the top 5 worst sicknesses I've ever had
44:52 <Ampera> but, it also only lasted a single day
45:37 <Kuschelpony> ouch, my best wishes to get betetr
45:44 <Ysjoelfir> thanks Kuschelpony
46:09 <Kuschelpony> m first vaccination went without any troubles
46:26 <Kuschelpony> perhaps the one day per year i had luck
46:32 <Kuschelpony> hope you get betetr soon again
52:21 <steve30000000> i got a letter inviting me to have a covid jab
52:35 Nick: steve30000000 is now known as steve30
52:54 <Ysjoelfir> nice
01:14 <electrohead> got my second shot yesterday, I felt a bit queezy (sp?) a few hours after it, for maybe 3 hours max
01:23 <electrohead> now I'm good to go, just my arm is a tiny bit sore, that's all
02:04 * Ampera injects electrohead with liquid bread
03:01 <Ysjoelfir> I want a beer as well!
03:54 <electrohead> :P
03:57 <electrohead> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LADv8JYZncg
03:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Riding A Pallet Down A Tram Track
17:38 <steve30> According to the leaflet, if you have the vaccine, it will significantly reduce the chances of you getting ill, therefore you MUST continue to wear a mask and practise social distancing.
20:23 <DHess_US> It is stupid from a practical perspective. Nobody is going to go around verifying that people who aren't wearing masks has been vaccinated.
20:51 <Kuschelpony> exactly right DHess
20:55 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, the same is written in our leaflets. "it pretects you to 95% from infections, so please continue to use all sorts of annoying rules". But I see why, but.... meh. its annoying
21:03 <DHess_US> And now it creates a new "virtue signal", encouraging people to stop using their masks when they should not.
21:28 <DHess_US> Either we have reached herd immunity or we have not. Pick one.
21:52 <Kuschelpony> uhm... i see this not so binary
22:00 <Kuschelpony> there is lots of shades in between
22:02 <DHess_US> We know the effectiveness of the vaccine, we know how many people have had it, and we know the R0 of Covid very well.
22:11 <Ampera> Masks have almost always been honor system (at least here)
22:27 <DHess_US> Here they have been mandatory in buildings.
22:27 <Ampera> Not much has changed, it's just that the honor system we have now works differently for different people
22:36 <Ampera> Mandatory under penalty of nothing, here.
22:54 <steve30> I haven't worn one once and am yet to be arrested for it.
23:05 <Ampera> the worst that can happen is being ejected from the building, and anyone can do that regardless
23:22 <DHess_US> They would have had a riot here if they mandated masks on individuals. So what they did is threatened businesses with being shut down if they did not require customers to wear masks.
23:48 <DHess_US> And since there is not right to a business license, that worked.
24:17 <DHess_US> If you didn't wear a mask, the business would ask you to leave, and if you didn't, then you would be arrested for criminal trespassing.
24:46 <DHess_US> I'm not sure how they handled public transport.
24:51 <steve30> An ebay item is listed as Buy it now for £40. I submitted an offer of £35. The My eBay page says my offer is "49.62".
25:31 <steve30> Where the hell did they get £49.62 from?
26:52 <DHess_US> VAT? Shipping?
27:04 <DHess_US> Brexit fee?
27:38 <steve30> nope
28:00 <DHess_US> Being a Limey fee?
28:04 <steve30> If I press view offer details it say the £35 which i submitted. £49.62 is just on the my ebay page.
28:25 <DHess_US> Ebay is sneaky like that.
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30:01 <Watcher> yeah
31:05 * steve30 needs coffee
31:21 <DHess_US> I'm looking at these connectors, and the pin headers are 0.1" per pin, so they can be stacked adjacent, but the connector housings are 0.1" + 0.02", so they cannot. WTF????
31:22 <DHess_US> https://www.te.com/usa-en/product-1375820-5.html
32:17 <DHess_US> Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!
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39:28 <Ysjoelfir> steve30, I had the same the last days. offered 25€, my ebay page showed an offer of 30.62€, I was also like "wtf?"
39:59 <steve30> glad i'm not the only one
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51:53 <Kuschelpony> DHess, to comment on https://www.eevblog.com/forum/renewable-energy/laptop-brick-running-off-dc-300v/
52:39 <Kuschelpony> most PFC works fine on DC input voltage as most of them are still "dumb" chips that just multiply the momentary input voltage with the feedback signal, to emulate an pure ohmic input
53:05 <Kuschelpony> but recently there are chips getting "smarter" and for example actively trying to create a sinewave
53:45 <Kuschelpony> i remember from somewhere experiences that such chips can do very weird thinghs on DC, like drawing an 1/sin shaped current
54:32 <Kuschelpony> when they mistake fluctuations on the DC line for the expected AC ripple
02:15 <DHess_US> Why not comment in the forum thread? Anyway, that is my observation as well.
02:26 <DHess_US> It is the "smart" PFC controllers which have problems with DC.
14:26 <Ysjoelfir> https://static.klopfers-web.de/pictures/20210327222911_0.jpg I think who realy wants to have AIDS he would prefer to get that from unprotected sex rather than eating a durian.
14:55 <Kuschelpony> well i am not registered on the forum, have still not set up an email account for that
17:50 <coppice> I don't think its too rare for power supplies with PFC to blow up with DC
19:25 <Kuschelpony> i do not yet know of one that blows up, but stories about them doing very weird things
20:13 <coppice> I saw a few prototypes that blew up with the EU created the PFC craze a few years ago
20:19 <Kuschelpony> have done quite a few experiments in something 10 to 15 years ago about running stuff on DC myself, but more recently i know only about what others have tried
20:29 <Kuschelpony> oh ok
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22:10 <Kuschelpony> and well, i do know good reasons why devices should have PFC, have also seen installations on threephase (thats quite common here in germany to spread loads on three phases down to the actual power sockets)
22:27 <Kuschelpony> where the neutral line burned away as it couldnt handle the third harmonics summing up
23:48 <Ysjoelfir> that would never happen, Kuschelpony! [sarcasm, and actually something one of my professors said to me when I was talking about harmonics in university]
24:25 <Kuschelpony> perhaps your professors were still iving in the world of linear loads...
24:39 <DHess_US> The odd part is that PFC power supplies should also be able to handle modified sine inverters without problems.
24:42 <Ysjoelfir> most of them were certainly old enough
25:34 <Kuschelpony> well, these are still somewhat close to a sinewave, just with veeery flat tops and steep zero crossings :)
26:02 <DHess_US> Not even as clean as clipped sine.
26:09 <Kuschelpony> i know...
26:53 <DHess_US> I haven't bought a modified sine inverter in a long time. All of my current UPSes are sine wave output online units.
26:59 <Kuschelpony> 25 years ago, when i was differently crazy then i am today :) i had also built myself such an inverter for the years when i still had friends to go on camping tours
27:15 <DHess_US> Built a modified sine inverter?
27:51 <DHess_US> I have a very old Triplite saturable inverter, but it puts at a square wave instead of modified sine so only suitable for resistive loads really.
27:57 <Kuschelpony> yep, SG3525, feeding 2N3055 as switching transistotrs and then into an huge 6V battery charger transformer run backwards
29:28 <coppice> "2N3055 as switching transistors" is amusing
29:57 <Kuschelpony> well, i was young and reading books of the 70s to learn stuff
30:22 <Ysjoelfir> 14 years ago I build a switching lab PSU with 2N3055 and SG3525. what a terrible design :D
30:35 <Ysjoelfir> sounds like you read the same books as I did
30:50 <Kuschelpony> the 2N3055 was the only big low voltage power transistor i found in junk, and my 1978 databook from SGS-Ates the bible for knowing a few switchmode ICs
31:07 <DHess_US> Nothing wrong with 2N3055s at line frequencies.
32:01 <Kuschelpony> oh no problem
32:37 <coppice> 50Hz may be OK, but 60Hz is stretching it
33:03 <Kuschelpony> my oldest book go back to the 60s when they also mentioned saturating oscialtors and driving inverters from them, Siemens-Halbleiter-Schaltbeispiele
34:25 <Kuschelpony> or somewhere there was a TV audio amplifier, to make it compatible with tube voltages and replace the ECL86 they used an line output transistor (i thnk it was the BU205 for its relatively wide SOA before the BU208 was totally optimised for switching) and ran that transistor at something 250V 30mA in class A with output transformer
34:53 <Kuschelpony> but i never tried that myself, there were already the A210k available (GDR copy of the TBA810)
36:00 <Kuschelpony> i feel like an old fart
38:56 <rust_collector> you old fire apparatus repair technician....
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57:44 <Nothing\> oh man
58:38 <Nothing\> they found a mass grave of 215 kids behind an old residential school. Which were schools where indian children were taken to from their families to white wash their history and force them to westernize and give up their heritage and become catholic by force
58:40 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
58:45 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera 
58:47 <Nothing\> hey man
58:57 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
59:04 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright i guess
59:14 <Nothing\> got jock itch, so that's always fun
59:31 <Ampera> I am in public, indoors without a mask on
59:37 <Ampera> like a rebel
59:40 <Nothing\> nice
59:44 <Nothing\> got your shots?
59:50 <Nothing\> or laws change?
59:55 <Ampera> have had for a week or more
00:00 <Nothing\> nice
00:12 <Nothing\> i had the chance to get mine last week, but i refused at the last minute
00:38 <Nothing\> cuz the way the government's doing it is they make you wait 4 months between shots, not the 3 weeks the manufacturers recommend
01:11 <Nothing\> and the manufacturers are saying waiting 4 months will reduce the efficacy so i'd rather wait and get it done right than do it now and let the government pad their numbers
01:33 <Nothing\> cuz all they're doing is giving more people their first shot so they can say they've vaccinated more people
01:56 <Ampera> yes you've told me
02:11 <Nothing\> frankly i think a population of 1 million fully vaccinated people is worth more than 2 million partially vaccinated people
02:48 <Nothing\> oh yeah, and russia's trying to go to war with us (canada)
03:03 <Nothing\> they're claiming border disputes in our arctcic regions now lol
03:29 <Nothing\> they're claiming basically the entire north pole
03:50 <Nothing\> and i think a big chunk of the northwest passage, since that's what this is all about
04:13 <Watcher> the north pole is not that big less than a sqaure meter or so
04:24 <Nothing\> it's melting, so shipping through there is feasible for the first time in maritime history and the ruskies want in on those tariffs
04:28 <Watcher> but the pole cirkel is a lot bigger
04:47 <Nothing\> Watcher, well i meant the big chunk of ice known as the north polec
04:49 <Nothing\> pole
05:06 <Watcher> ok now it is clear
05:11 <Nothing\> but yeah, it makes you wonder how they distinguish the borders, if at all
05:25 <Nothing\> cuz that ice is always going to be in a state of flux
06:20 <Nothing\> the one thing i remember from ernest shackleton's crew getting stranded was how far they drifted on the ice fields when they were stuck out there
06:38 <Nothing\> pretty much halfway across the southern ocean
07:04 <Nothing\> that whole story is an amazing one
07:16 <rust_collector> if I don't remember wrong, they planted a flag on the north pole, at the bottom of the sea
08:41 <Nothing\> yeah i was just thinking about how they have subs that literally go under the north pole
08:55 <Nothing\> and then can break through the ice on top to surface
08:57 <rust_collector> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6927395.stm
09:21 <Nothing\> that's pretty cool
09:45 <Nothing\> one thing i didn't realize about antarctica is not only is it a desert, but it's a mountain range, too
09:55 <Nothing\> has an elevation of over 10,000 feet
11:10 <Nothing\> i wonder which is greater
11:22 <Nothing\> the depth of the water at the north pole or the height of the land at the south
11:46 <Nothing\> 5,450m deep at the north
12:06 <Nothing\> so it seems the north wins, but i'm gonna double check cuz 10k feet is a rough figure off the top of my head
12:18 <rust_collector> 48xx m
12:34 <Nothing\> no shit?
12:48 <rust_collector> 16050ft
12:58 <Nothing\> you'd need breathing equipment at that altitude if you weren't acclimatized
13:09 <Nothing\> you'd get pulmonary edema
13:11 <rust_collector> 4892m
13:25 <Nothing\> anything above 12,000 is death without acclimatizing for a couple of weeks
13:45 <Nothing\> but you go straight up and your lungs fill up with fluid for reasons they don't yet understand
13:49 <rust_collector> it is nice and cool there too
14:13 <Nothing\> my guess is with the less pressure, there's less air pressure holding fluids inside the epithelial layer of your lungs
14:26 <Nothing\> so it just sorta leaks out cuz there's not as much pressure
14:29 <Nothing\> that too
14:30 <Watcher> rust_collector that is every where at 48xx meter
14:46 <Nothing\> the cold air would make any moisure evaporate out of solution easily
14:58 <Nothing\> you ever hear about that crystal cave in mexico?
15:12 <rust_collector> Watcher not to that degree, I would say
15:14 <Nothing\> that place is insane as far as inhospitable environs are concerned
15:53 <Watcher> not that then you need to climb higher at other places
16:01 <Nothing\> just look at this place
16:03 <Nothing\> https://www.beautifulworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Cave-of-the-crystals.jpg
16:11 <Nothing\> it's like the inside of an alien planet from a video game
17:15 <Nothing\> but it's something like 50 or 60c down there with 100% humidity, so with your lungs being the coolest surface, water condenses inside your lungs and your drown from the inside out within minutes while being mildly cooke alive
18:20 <Ysjoelfir> where is that?
18:25 <Ysjoelfir> looks nice
18:40 <Nothing\> naica caves in mexico
18:48 <Nothing\> it is really nice, there are some great photos of it
19:07 <Nothing\> and info about the geology and environment is interesting too of course
19:45 <Nothing\> apparently we have some of the oldest rocks in the world not too far from where i am
19:54 <Nothing\> i've always wanted to go check it out
20:26 <Watcher> −30 °C (−20 °F) at base camp
20:37 <Watcher> of the highest mount antarica
20:58 <Nothing\> just over 4 billion years old is the figure i could find
21:02 <Nothing\> for the rocks here
21:13 <DHess_US> I'd settle for climbing the highest mountains in the US.
21:16 <Nothing\> i think that's second to that one place in western australia
21:23 <DHess_US> Can walk up many of them.
21:47 <Nothing\> apparently that mountain for paramount pictures' logo isn't actually a real mountain
21:53 <rust_collector> the highest mountain here, you can get up with a sturdy wheelchair
21:55 <DHess_US> Granted, a long walk for some of them.
22:04 <Nothing\> i was trying to figure out what such a picturesque mountain would be
22:11 <Watcher> sun it will by -33C
22:13 <Nothing\> but it's just based on some mountain in the andes
22:16 <Watcher> on the top
22:21 <Watcher> https://www.mountain-forecast.com/peaks/Vinson-Massif/forecasts/4897
22:40 <Nothing\> yeah you should read some of the stories of early explorers of the antarctic
22:46 <Nothing\> those guys were true badasses
22:46 <DHess_US> Except Mt. Washington. Fuck that place.
23:00 <Nothing\> yeah but isn't mt washington a volcano
23:13 <Nothing\> with a bit of luck it'll go st helens and blow 1.5km off its top
23:29 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Washington
23:32 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
23:39 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 <3
23:43 <Nothing\> heya buddy
23:45 <Nothing\> how ya doing?
23:52 <rust_collector> well, Ysjoelfir lives in a volcano... that does not really mean much
23:52 <DHess_US> Nothing\, most of them are dormant volcanos. I've visited most or all of those, but never walked to the top.
24:40 <Nothing\> DHess_US, dormant doesn't necessarily mean dead though. I always used to think dormant meant it wouldn't erupt anymore, but that's what extinct means. Dormant just means it hasn't erupted in a really long time.
24:54 <DHess_US> Nothing\, that is why I didn't say "extinct"
24:58 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i've never even seen a proper mountain in my time
25:15 <Nothing\> i mean, there's a mountain here, but it's more of an escarpment than a mountain
25:19 <T3sl4> i've been on the "mountain" in WI
25:28 <Nothing\> which is a horizontal cliff that's been carved into the ground
25:31 <T3sl4> the pimple on the plain that's not even 1000' above it ;)
25:41 <Nothing\> the niagara escarpment, in this case
25:54 <DHess_US> I'm pretty high up here in Missouri, which isn't saying much, but if the water rises to me, the Arch will be completely submerged.
25:56 <Nothing\> which as the name implies, is the cliff that the niagara falls go over
26:41 <Nothing\> but it's so huge, it goes from niagara, north up almost to toronto, then further north to tobermory on the shore of lake huron, across the lake and into wisconsin
26:49 <Nothing\> it's absolutely humongous
27:06 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i've never been higher than 500 meters
27:38 <Nothing\> actually i'm sure i was up fairly high when we drove to florida when i was a kid cuz we drove through the smokey mountains and tennessee and all that
27:57 <DHess_US> St. Louis is at about 450 feet. I'm at like 850 feet. The highest point in Missouri is 1800 feet.
28:03 <Nothing\> plus there are passenger planes, but that doesn't count
28:09 <Nothing\> lol DHess_US
28:17 <Nothing\> i have a friend in Missouri
28:20 <Nothing\> lives in ballwin
28:23 <rust_collector> you were in the smokey mountains and got high... sounds right
28:26 <Nothing\> not sure where that is exactly
28:34 <DHess_US> Nothing\, I lived in areas of California surrounded by mountains. I've vistited and seen all of the west coast Sierra-Nevada mountains.
28:47 <DHess_US> Ballwin is down the street from me.
29:02 <DHess_US> hehe, smokey mountains. I bet I know how it got that name.
29:04 <Nothing\> DHess_US, heh even though i'm in canada, i'm almost as far south as you were there
29:22 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i always assumed it was because the cloud formations around it looked like smoke
29:24 <Nothing\> :P
29:42 <DHess_US> The "purple mountains majesty" is natural smog from turpentine from evergreen trees.
29:47 <T3sl4> ^
29:54 <Nothing\> it's weird, even though we're nowhere near any earthquake faults, we still get earthquakes here on a relatively regular basis
30:06 <Nothing\> >5.0 about ever 5-10 years
30:11 <DHess_US> I lived through many earthquakes in California.
30:30 <Nothing\> i've only ever felt 2 that were around a mid 5.0
30:38 <Nothing\> but they were pretty far
30:50 <Nothing\> being near toronto, i felt one that was actually in virginia
31:03 <Nothing\> which is apparently down to the hard nature of the ground in the area
31:47 <Nothing\> and then there's another fault line in quebec near the st lawrence river where there was a 5.5 or something year or so after that
32:11 <T3sl4> there's little ones here occasionally, they go quite far due to the rigid bedrock ye
32:17 <Nothing\> it was a weird feeling, it just felt like i was all wobbly inside. Like my insides were made of jello.
32:26 <T3sl4> though i haven't noticed any in a long time, i think this apartment doesn't shake as much or something
32:28 <Nothing\> Not at all what I expected it to feel like.
33:01 <Nothing\> T3sl4, i know in some places like arkansas they don't have any faults, but they still get 3s and 4s on the richter scale from fracking
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33:27 <Nothing\> heh yeah i usually don't feel the shaking, but the one in quebec woke me up
33:43 <Nothing\> and the one in virginia was weird cuz i was on irc and was like "weird, i just felt something wobbly"
34:02 <Nothing\> and a bunch of other people in like nyc, virginia, etc were saying the same thing
34:30 <T3sl4> the one that i really remember, it was close to the resonant frequency of my chair, i thought it was just my leg shaking, but nah the monitor wobbled a bit too
34:46 <Nothing\> you shake your leg too, huh?
35:07 <Nothing\> i shake mine almost constantly. a nice result is my leg muscles are solid
35:33 <Nothing\> i measured it at around 4hz, so 4hz at about 8 hours a day works out to a lot of calf raises
36:14 <Nothing\> i hate it cuz people assume it means i'm anxious about something. And while anxiety does make it worse, that's not the cause of it. I'll be damned if I know what causes it
36:35 <Nothing\> psychomotoagitation
36:44 <Nothing\> psychomotor agitation
37:11 <Nothing\> i've had doctors accuse me of being high on meth or speed becasue of it :/
37:37 <electrohead> https://github.com/blinkinlabs/jtag_hat
37:39 <coppice> Nothing\: when you say the antarctic explorers were baddasses, you do realise badass doesn't mean self haters don't you?
37:52 <Nothing\> coppice, do what now?
37:58 <electrohead> gah, bot timed out
38:10 <Nothing\> coppice, i was just talking about the inhuman exploits they had to endure
38:18 <coppice> Nothing\: most of those guys had a serious death wish
38:19 <Nothing\> and how more often than not, they returned alive
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38:32 <Nothing\> coppice, some ere just out for work
38:34 Mode: (by ChanOP) +v EEVBot
38:46 <Nothing\> like the ones who responded to shackleton's ad in the paper
38:52 <Nothing\> how did it go...
39:09 <coppice> and a lot didn't return alive
39:22 <Nothing\> Men wanted for hazardous journey. Low wages, bitter cold, long hours of complete darkness. Safe return doubtful. Honour and recognition in event of success.1
39:45 <Nothing\> he had something like 5,000 replies to that
40:00 <Nothing\> coppice, yeah that's true
40:18 <coppice> a minor downturn in the job market will get you 5000 replies to any job advert
40:28 <Nothing\> i remember how dumbstruck i was where i read the end of the erebus/terror account when i found out they all returned safe
40:46 <Nothing\> wait, was it the erebus and terror that were on the transantarctic expedition?
41:34 <Nothing\> that's right
41:37 <Nothing\> it was the endurance
41:51 <Nothing\> erebus and terror were the ones trying to cross the northwest passage, weren't they
42:15 <Nothing\> coppice, heh good point
45:23 <DHess_US> There was a good TV series on it.
58:40 <Nothing\> man, i got that streaming service, nebula the other day
58:48 <Nothing\> what sorry excuse for a streaming service
59:02 <Nothing\> as far as i could tell, about 90% of it was just stuff from youtube
59:35 <Nothing\> the rest was just completely uninteresting stuff. Like stuff about what it's like to be trans and that
00:04 <Nothing\> i have nothing against trans people. But I don't really care what it's like to be one.
02:31 <Nothing\> wish i could figure out how how upload code to my 65c816 devboard. I got the drivers for the FIFO interface going. But no program to use the actual interface. So I dunno.
02:51 <Nothing\> Got some more documentation to look through, apparently.
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08:03 * Ampera throws a cinnamon roll at Nothing\
09:14 * Nothing\ catches the cinnamon roll like a frisbee
09:55 <rust_collector> then what? did you put it in a drawer?
10:04 <Nothing\> then i ate it
10:13 <rust_collector> aww
10:38 <Nothing\> i watched a video about a guy who ate literally tons of inanimate objects throughout his life
10:46 <Nothing\> including an entire cessna
11:37 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/DBi5XJ0.jpeg
11:43 <DHess_US> Obligatory
12:42 <Nothing\> if my cat was a cumquat i'd be sad
14:44 <DHess_US> I ... have nothing.
16:13 <DHess_US> I hate when I order a pile of parts, and then on further reflection change the design so I need different parts.
16:38 <Nothing\> i am a shape
16:56 <Nothing\> they should have a name for the shape of a person
17:03 <Nothing\> both in 2d and 3d
17:43 <Nothing\> just a basic gender neutral human shape. Like what you'd see on a rest room sign or something.
18:24 <DHess_US> round is a shape
19:57 <Nothing\> i like the fluid dynamics of a really heavy round body falling into a liquid from a high altitude
20:03 <Nothing\> and it makes a cool noise
20:12 <Nothing\> ker-PLUNK
20:33 <rust_collector> like, if the moon fell down in the sea?
21:11 <Nothing\> that's a bit too much
21:33 <rust_collector> should sound pretty interesting
21:37 <Nothing\> preferably one in which you and the planet survives
22:56 <rust_collector> you might...
25:31 <DHess_US> <rust_collector> like, if the moon fell down in the sea?
25:35 <DHess_US> I've read that story.
25:52 <rust_collector> sounds japanese
26:21 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_Goes_Away
26:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - The Magic Goes Away - Wikipedia
27:51 <DHess_US> Sorcerers plot to use the magic of the last god to summon the moon. They chose ... poorly.
30:39 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i wish to count grapes at you on top of a pile of old cat food commercials in front of poor ophaned african children
30:57 <rust_collector> ok
31:10 <DHess_US> count grapes at you?
31:17 <Nothing\> you heard me
31:23 <rust_collector> I dunno, but if he wants to...
31:26 <DHess_US> Do I know you?
31:41 <Nothing\> DHess_US, i'm you
31:54 <DHess_US> I've never encountered you before in my life.
32:08 <DHess_US> You are a stranger to me.
33:57 <Nothing\> once i knew this kid who needed a blood transfusion, but he didn't like blood. So they gave him apple juice. And in the fall, he changed colors and fell out of a tree and died.
46:18 <Kuschelpony> wow, not just speakers but an piece of artistic furniture https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/lautsprecher-boxen-isophon
46:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
46:37 <Ysjoelfir> erroooooooooor
46:44 <Ysjoelfir> try again, isophon sounds intriguing
47:54 <Kuschelpony> does this work? https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/lautsprecher-boxen-isophon/1761510729-172-1514
47:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
48:17 <Kuschelpony> hmm
48:27 <Ysjoelfir> yes
48:32 <Ysjoelfir> uh, that looks fascinating!
48:45 <Ysjoelfir> woah, I want those!
49:44 <Kuschelpony> 75€
49:52 <Kuschelpony> BUY!
49:58 <Ysjoelfir> yep. and pretty close to where my family is.
50:05 <Ysjoelfir> well... I don#'t have 75€
50:11 <Kuschelpony> oops
50:37 <Kuschelpony> then a few eeks later when you have, i think they will not disappear too fast
51:01 <Kuschelpony> im currently primarily browsing around scope CRTs but also looking at othger nice stuff
51:17 <Kuschelpony> at least i already have my DIY speakers, the winter project
51:35 <Ysjoelfir> the Arbeitsamt noticed that I told them 2 months ago how much my freelancing brought me in terms of money between dezember and march. now they recalculated and decided that, instead of 1250€ I get 600 this month.
52:03 <Kuschelpony> oops :(
52:14 <Ysjoelfir> I always browse for tek scopes when I go to bed. and I also already have nice speakers... so... probably not an option anyways. but they look SO cool!
57:12 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i never catched the virus of tek scopes
57:22 <Kuschelpony> beeing much more the creative tinkerer
03:43 <Ysjoelfir> I basically just want to grab one of each tube type, restore it and keep it alive. If I ever move to a house with a big barn or whatever I want to build like a mini museum for vintage metrology, with a focus on the teks
04:27 <Kuschelpony> hihi
04:43 <Kuschelpony> do you know "Matt" from the 2Wellenkino" ?
05:09 <Ysjoelfir> yep. not in person, but I know exactly who you talk about.
05:34 <Kuschelpony> i had already met him in person, but lost contact a while ago
05:46 <Kuschelpony> for the others who dont know: https://wellenkino.de/
05:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - wellenkino.de 
06:13 <Ysjoelfir> oh realy? how is he in person? IIRC he is deaf, isn't he?
07:55 <Kuschelpony> yes he is almost deaf but it was possible with pen and paper
08:08 <Kuschelpony> nice person in writing but i generally have troubles to understand someone
10:29 <Ysjoelfir> nice :) I got that impression as well when reading his posts
34:35 <hsn> https://www.upwork.com/ab/find-work/high-chance/details/~01bbfad28fee2772b3
34:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Access to this page has been denied.
34:40 <hsn> good project
34:43 <hsn> tasty
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47:58 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely, perfect
09:06 <rust_collector> hm hm hmmm. it is weekend!
09:15 <Ysjoelfir> yep.
09:17 <hsn> its a weekendend
09:19 <hsn> for me
09:50 <rust_collector> well, me too. I have to go do stuff some time soon
42:27 <Ysjoelfir> ew, stuff
42:30 <Ysjoelfir> sounds productive
42:46 <rust_collector> myeah
47:27 <rust_collector> I don't really get what I have to do with it, but mominlaw is moving her patio, and has a guy with a small wheel loader coming tomorrow. so... uhm, I don't get why I have to be there. and I will try to get the boat engine into the boat tomorrow, so we can plop it on the water
48:20 <Ysjoelfir> I assume she wants someone she trusts around to observe the person with the wheelloader?
49:18 <rust_collector> I assume it is just to annoy me. what am I supposed to do if mr loader panics and just runs thru all the trailers?
50:31 <Ysjoelfir> doesn't she like you, as her best son in law she ever had?
50:41 <rust_collector> yep
50:43 <Ysjoelfir> and... maybe she expects you to jump in front of the trailer guy
50:49 <Ysjoelfir> erm
50:51 <Ysjoelfir> the loader guy
51:08 <rust_collector> if I have to go there very often, I might
51:30 <Ysjoelfir> lol
52:03 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds roughly like what I would want to do when I have to go to mrs. spouses parents
58:06 <rust_collector> we get along pretty well, but I just do not like driving for 2.5 hours, to not really get anything done
58:24 <Ysjoelfir> thats quite a trip indeed o.o
58:35 <rust_collector> well, that is both ways
58:45 <Ysjoelfir> ah. then its ok-ish
58:53 <Ysjoelfir> but still anoying for doing basically nothing
58:54 <rust_collector> but still, that is time I could waste myself
59:08 <Ysjoelfir> ^
01:44 <rust_collector> the wife does not go camping much now... i should list the trailer on airbnb
03:01 <Ysjoelfir> That could work for some extra bucke, I would do that.
08:46 <rust_collector> well, i guess someone is weird enough to pay to sit up there and watch the trees, and rotten old trailers. people are weird
11:34 <rust_collector> hmm, I wonder where this little wall wart comes from. it is a tiny little 48v one
11:54 <rust_collector> do modern-ish phones use anything 48v?
12:39 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think so. I hade a halfway modern 42V one once that came from a printer.
12:53 <Ysjoelfir> 48V sounds to me like phantom power?
13:17 <rust_collector> wth does it say here...
14:49 <rust_collector> well, it says globtek inc. and energy verified
15:03 <rust_collector> 0.375A
15:57 <Ysjoelfir> I meant phantom power like from a microphone or other audio stuff
16:12 <rust_collector> yeah, I have no idea.
16:29 <rust_collector> why would that be here.....
20:47 <Ysjoelfir> maybe you found it and thought "eeeh, might be usefull!"?
20:58 <rust_collector> maybe
21:15 <rust_collector> https://en.globtek.com/model/ict-ite-power-supply/wall-plug-in/gt-41080-18vv-x-x-q/a0O30000007P7Z0EAK
21:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - GT-41080-18VV-X.X-Q Wall Plug-in ICT/ITE Power Supply Datasheet | GlobTek
21:43 <Ysjoelfir> that looks indeed usefull
21:56 <rust_collector> very very interesting, they have loads to text and stuff there
51:10 <rust_collector> I ordered some keyboard stickers. I wonder if they will stick
51:51 <Ysjoelfir> do you want to turn a normal keyboard into a norwegian one? at least it seemed like they are kinda rare.
52:15 <rust_collector> I have problems finding anything else here.
52:28 <Ysjoelfir> oh. so you want the reverse version.
52:34 <rust_collector> yep
53:31 <Ysjoelfir> just swap the keycaps with someone who needs norwegian ones, that'll be fine
54:43 <rust_collector> yeah, because everyone needs that. I have been looking for normal keyboards, but I am not going to buy a "good" one.
55:01 <rust_collector> I am on my "new" one now, which I found in the dumpster at work
55:38 <rust_collector> it is crrrap, but works ok, and it is pretty small, so I have half a keyboard more space on the desk now
55:54 <Ysjoelfir> I don't realy like small keyboards
55:57 <Ysjoelfir> but
56:16 <Ysjoelfir> if you like those... I have a nice vintage one that I could ad to the "for rusty" boy
56:20 <Ysjoelfir> box
56:29 <Ysjoelfir> with european layout
56:47 <rust_collector> this one is pretty much laptop sized. it is not tiny, but it does not have the number keys, and that on the side.
57:05 <rust_collector> hmm, I am wondering about that for rusty boy
57:19 <rust_collector> poor guy
57:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol
57:53 <rust_collector> time to buy more zipties then
58:34 <Ysjoelfir> mine are getting brittle, I should get new ones as well
59:02 <rust_collector> the wurth ones are pretty good
00:01 <hsn> https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSJm3V3Wx/
00:04 <Ysjoelfir> mine are chinesium by "el cheapo"
00:42 <rust_collector> I have those indoors. they tend to disappear, so why bother with the good ones there
00:59 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
01:33 <rust_collector> the gamer kids like cable management now and then.
01:50 <hsn> Which kid is gamer
01:52 <Ysjoelfir> lol hsn :D
02:02 <rust_collector> #1 and #2
02:05 <Ysjoelfir> I think nr. 1 and 2
02:13 <Ysjoelfir> hah, I know things! :D
02:13 <hsn> What they play
02:22 <rust_collector> computer stuff
02:32 <hsn> Ask them they play lol
02:35 <hsn> ?
02:44 <hsn> League of legeneds
03:21 <hsn> If they dont tell them they are lame
03:25 <hsn> :D
03:31 <Ysjoelfir> lol
03:48 <rust_collector> meh. I am not going to say anything about that
04:02 <hsn> About their laminess ? Why
04:23 <hsn> Why dont u
04:27 <hsn> Because .... ?
04:43 <rust_collector> because they are downstairs, and I am not, lol
05:09 <hsn> They live down and u live up?
05:11 <Ysjoelfir> write a note, bind it onto a cat and send it down :D
05:21 <rust_collector> yes
05:25 <hsn> So when house falls .. u fall on them?
05:41 <hsn> U smart
05:43 <rust_collector> nah, grandpa made this house, it is not going anywhere
05:59 <rust_collector> it has twice of everything
06:01 <hsn> Nice thing
06:19 <hsn> Does it have twice door in each room ?
06:36 <rust_collector> well, except the stairs on the back side. that is still falling apart
06:52 <hsn> Why no fix ?
07:15 <hsn> Ur wife can handle unfixed stuff ?
07:19 <rust_collector> because Ysjoelfir and the klan only came once, and who else would use them?
07:21 <hsn> Or like my wife ?
07:54 <rust_collector> right now, there is a stack of pallets blocking it anyway, so....
08:06 <hsn> She has been telling me to fix lights on her miror since three years now ... Its getting annoying to tell her every time yes i will do
08:48 <rust_collector> find a post-it note, and write "yes, I will fix the lights" on it, and put it on the mirror
10:32 <hsn> It needs soldering
10:51 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ApLQNUaGPMBWBwwX7
10:54 <rust_collector> oh, fun
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11:34 <rust_collector> nice german cable
11:57 <hsn> I tried to solder it .. it doesn't hold .. got annoyed and left it for months
11:58 <rust_collector> but yes, that looks like too much work
12:26 <hsn> XD
13:08 <hsn> I just unleached the electric tape from light switches of master bedroom
13:19 <hsn> They were poping the breaker
13:45 <hsn> Turns out the wires are melted and touching
14:13 <rust_collector> that will at least make the switch last longer
15:42 <hsn> Hmmm
16:19 <hsn> So what should i do now .. rewire the whole thing?
16:50 <rust_collector> yes, or take the front off the switch, and just plaster over it?
17:09 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/q7pfrUjC6MJdM3FW8
17:23 <hsn> The wire that comes to the light
17:42 <hsn> Its sorta short and melted from summer sun heat i guesd
17:45 <hsn> Guess
17:50 <rust_collector> humm
17:58 <hsn> Because plastics are breaking
18:15 <hsn> Wires insulator, bulb holders .. etc
19:11 <hsn> So i just cut that thing so it doesnt pop the breaker
19:38 <Ysjoelfir> those are nice lamps
19:53 <hsn> The middle one?
20:12 <Ysjoelfir> all 3
20:25 <Ampera> good morning fishes
20:31 <hsn> Thanks
20:32 <Ampera> how are you feeling Ysjoelfir
20:43 <hsn> Good fish morning
20:57 <hsn> What happened? Ysjoelfir ..
21:20 <rust_collector> he was injected with wifi or something
21:27 <Ysjoelfir> I am.... very tired and will probably go to bed. hsn, nothing, I jost gut 5G reception and Bill Gates Nanorobots today
22:02 <Ampera> my 5G is loud and clear
22:16 <Ampera> and I got to go out to eat and shopping at Aldi without wearing a mask today
22:17 <Ampera> which was nice
23:12 <Ysjoelfir> I am jealour ampera. oh btw rusty, today I replaced the distributor from the volvo with the one I refurbished. you remember that we found out that roughly 10 hundreds play should be ok?
23:16 <rust_collector> oh gawd, it is story time with clive today
23:26 <rust_collector> oh, yes
23:56 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: get well ..
24:21 <rust_collector> so, when do you get it towed away?
24:23 <Ysjoelfir> the old one was probably "a bit" worn out. it has roughly 300 hundreds axial play and 50 hundreds radial.
24:23 <hsn> Did u install antiviruses ?
24:32 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, yes.
24:33 <hsn> ^ vacinated
24:58 <rust_collector> ok, I guess it deserves being retired then
25:30 <Ysjoelfir> I agree
25:49 <rust_collector> chunky clive is watching cake farts video, and explains what is going on, lol
26:14 <Ysjoelfir> dammit, I need to watch the replay tomorrow, I am just way to tired to watch it now
31:06 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I go to bed now. have a good night you all
31:18 <rust_collector> me too, have fun
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15:10 <Halcyon> Mew
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38:57 <electrohead> o/
39:01 <electrohead> home.
39:04 <Halcyon> YAY
39:07 * electrohead pokes Halcyon's hardware
39:08 <electrohead> :p
39:40 <Halcyon> \o/
55:42 <Halcyon> I might do steak and chips for dinner tonight
59:40 * electrohead teleports over for Halcyon's steak
00:19 <Halcyon> I'm going to try something different. Steak is something that I struggle to get all juicy and tender
02:07 * T3sl4 whistles at Halcyon
02:46 <Halcyon> :D
03:39 <T3sl4> i've noticed since i reduced my meat consumption, i'm more prone to overcooking it
03:56 <T3sl4> veg generally take longer to cook vs a thin steak, say
04:08 <Halcyon> It's not through overcooking, I like mine medium rare, it's just no matter what I do it seems to toughen up
04:24 <Halcyon> So I'm going to tenderise it for a few hours with bicarbonate of soda.
05:17 * T3sl4 sprays Halcyon with raw pineapple juice
05:35 <Halcyon> That would probably work too
05:49 <T3sl4> don't taze me bro[melain]
13:20 * Ampera kisses Halcyon
20:08 <Halcyon> YAY!
20:19 <Halcyon> What is your cat in the bunny cage?
21:02 <Halcyon> *Why
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14:52 <Ampera> Halcyon, because they're friends, a concept you're incapable of understanding
39:53 <damian> hehehe
39:58 <damian> no one likes Halcyon
49:15 <Nothing\> hrm
49:23 <Nothing\> what game or games should i look into
50:58 <Nothing\> i was thinking of subnautica, it looks neat
51:31 <Nothing\> i've played it a bit before but rememember i could never find what it wanted me to
11:17 <DogWomble> age of empries 2 :P
19:53 <gnif> My top pics: Subnautica, Battlefield 4, ARK, PUBG (with friends), Assetto Corsa, C&C3 Kanes Wrath, Starcraft 2.
20:18 <gnif> oh, and Prey
21:25 <gnif> The HALO series on PC is great too if you have not yet played them
43:45 <Halcyon> Hey gnif
43:56 <Halcyon> Ampera: What do you know about friends?
45:49 <gnif> hey Halcyon :)
46:24 <Halcyon> What's doing?
46:35 <gnif> working on Looking Glass :)
47:06 <Halcyon> Nice nice
47:20 <gnif> been adding/improving the clipboard code, making the application more productive to work with
47:51 <gnif> can now C&P huge images/payloads into/out of the VM :)
48:15 <gnif> how about you?
48:35 <Halcyon> Not a huge amount, I should be studying but can't be bothered
48:49 <Halcyon> So having a wine instead :P
49:00 <gnif> the weather is just not conducive to doing anything "work"
49:06 <Halcyon> Agreed
49:48 <gnif> you been tracking Freenode's fall from grace?
50:04 <Halcyon> I have not.
50:09 <Halcyon> What's the summary?
51:55 <gnif> dodgy deal allowed a Korean (Andrew Lee) to buy "freenode Ltd" back in 2017, but was stated as staying hands off... About a week ago now he got involved and tried to take over the network. All the original fn staff left and formed Libera.Chat. Since then Mr Lee has done a ton of dodgy stuff such as hijacking channels like #gentoo-*, etc.
52:20 <Halcyon> Oh wow
52:23 <Halcyon> What a shitfight
52:34 <Halcyon> So he is single-handedly destroying the network
52:38 <gnif> yeah, they seven seized #lookingglass
52:42 <gnif> *even
52:48 <gnif> pretty much
52:54 <gnif> see: https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
52:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - isfreenodedeadyet
53:10 <Halcyon> So I'm guessing a lot of these organisations using FN for IRC are jumping ship to alternate networks>?
53:22 <gnif> yup, all the large orgs already have
53:38 <gnif> ubuntu, archlinux, debian, mediawiki, gentoo
54:10 <gnif> more information here if you want the full story: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
54:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - freenode-faq.md · GitHub
55:52 <gnif> Libera.Chat was formed by the original staff that left, owned by a NPO holding company to prevent this from occurring again.
57:00 <DHess_US> They are having quite a fight.
57:29 <Halcyon> I wonder what triggered this guy to just start being a complete tool?
57:37 <DHess_US> freenode is taking over channels that advertise that they are moving, and banning people who mention it.
59:26 <gnif> in some cases even channels that are just discussing the move
59:47 <Halcyon> Wow
00:06 <gnif> https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html
00:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Gentoo Freenode channels have been hijacked â Gentoo Linux
02:24 <gnif> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27300842
02:25 <EEVBot> [Title] - Freenode now autokills users who say 'rasengan' in any channel Sigyn is present | Hacker News
02:40 <Halcyon> What is rasengan ?
03:02 <gnif> Andrew Lee's handle
03:15 <Halcyon> Ah
03:47 <gnif> note, not a ban, a kill. Permanent removal of the user from the entire network
03:51 <Halcyon> Presumably he "owns" all the servers too? Or are they run by volunteers?
04:00 <gnif> they were run by voulnteers
04:10 <gnif> but they don't have the funds to fight him legally
04:12 <Halcyon> So a lot of them were pulled offline I'm assuming
04:24 <gnif> those details were not shared
05:35 <gnif> quasseldroid had their channel hijacked too
05:46 <gnif> so they added this to the application:
05:46 <gnif> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2YSI9FWUAASBKU?format=jpg&name=large
06:38 <Halcyon> Is this an IRC client?
06:42 <gnif> yup
06:47 <Halcyon> Ouch :P
06:52 <Halcyon> I hope others follow suit
08:42 <gnif> ditto
14:05 <steve30> hi
15:35 * steve30 needs coffee
15:56 <DHess_US> DM502 repaired, https://ibb.co/xz31PNp
15:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - DM502-Repaired — ImgBB
21:49 * steve30 meows at Halcyon 
22:26 * gnif yells at Halcyon for letting the damn cat back in again
22:53 <steve30> I have SVHS video to edit later
25:09 <Halcyon> Stupid cat
25:21 <DHess_US> Is there any other kind of cat?
25:29 <Halcyon> I have an SVHS deck which I need to work out why the jog control all of a sudden stopped working
25:37 <Halcyon> DHess_US, no. All cats are stupid.
25:41 <DHess_US> Maybe it got tired of running.
25:49 <steve30> Cats are clever :)
25:55 <DHess_US> ba-da-dum
25:57 <Halcyon> Cats are calculating assholes
26:10 * steve30 curls up on the Super VHS deck
26:33 <Halcyon> It's a proper professional deck too
26:46 <gnif> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Y-A4Ahkto
26:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: I Don't Wanna Be Touched - Meredith Bull FULL SONG OUT NOW
27:08 <steve30> i don't have any svhs decks. Just a camcorder.
27:14 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
27:41 <Halcyon> She did a good job with that one
29:40 <Halcyon> Birds are so much better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifszJcOCxt8
29:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Magpies Greeting Song
30:43 <gnif> we used to have a magpie family like that too until one year a baby got stuck in one of our apple tree nets
30:51 <Halcyon> Awww no
30:56 <gnif> I freed it but they never came back
31:03 <Halcyon> Clever birds
32:41 <steve30> i caught the sun yesterday
33:06 <Halcyon> Is that why it's cold and shitty here today?
33:13 <steve30> yes
33:22 <Halcyon> It was a crap solar day today
33:37 * steve30 made 10kWh yesterday
33:50 <DHess_US> Maybe you should release the sun so we don't all freeze to death.
34:19 <Halcyon> I only did 18.4 yesterday and 13.3 today
34:33 <Halcyon> Didn't even charge the battery fully
05:36 <steve30> I need some new jeans
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50:27 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
51:38 <Kuschelpony> Moin
03:23 <Kuschelpony> hmm, trying to understand how i can add footprints or libraries to Kicad, espically a multiwatt-15 package
04:23 <Ysjoelfir> I never tried kicad yet
05:21 <Kuschelpony> i was well familiar with older versions that were default in older Ubuntu distros, but now trying to restart how it has changed over the years
05:39 <Ysjoelfir> I see
05:45 <Kuschelpony> using it since past ten years
06:22 <Ysjoelfir> lol.... that article name is so nice.... https://www.amazon.de/Dichtungsband-selbstklebend-Wasserdicht-Wandleuchte-Fugenfüller/dp/B07CXTR5BF/
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07:32 <Kuschelpony> i think i do most of the pcb work with paper and pen in the garden, unless my pollewn allergy hits too bad
08:23 <Ysjoelfir> paper.. I have heard of that ancient tech
11:42 <Kuschelpony> amazing, the latest 2020 revision of the TDA7294 datasheet from ST is back again as clear informative as the oldest ones were, while in recent editions there had been lots of information ommited
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46:52 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
52:40 <Ysjoelfir> hi Halcyon
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01:54 <Ysjoelfir> I was playing games and wondered why my character didn't move
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27:34 <Lemon> hi frends
32:30 <Lemon> I need help
33:03 <Kuschelpony> how can we help you?
34:33 <Lemon> I think im unreasonnable
34:59 <Lemon> at first, it was only stuff that measures volts, amps, resistance
35:09 <Lemon> now a luxmeter, and yesterday...
35:20 <Kuschelpony> yes?
35:23 <Lemon> a ph meter, redox, and temp meter
35:30 <Lemon> :(
36:18 <Lemon> im really tempted to get it, lol
36:40 <Lemon> mostly because its a really expensive device (3-350 euros, and 100-150 for the probe) that the guy sell for 40
36:54 <Lemon> and im curious on how good my tap water is
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38:15 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1990867983.htm?ac=206978287
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40:20 <Lemon> im really curious about those devices
40:25 <Lemon> how it works, etc
40:34 <Kuschelpony> ok
41:36 <Lemon> any experience with those ? :>
43:00 <Kuschelpony> partially
43:23 <Kuschelpony> i have serviced ph meters at work but dont see them useful at home (for the few occasions the paper strips do well9
43:59 <Kuschelpony> my main middlesized cheap DMM does volts and ohms and frequency, the current rrange has been intentionally disused
44:14 <Kuschelpony> my second multimeter was a zero cost junk one that i selvaged
44:31 <Kuschelpony> use it with an box of external shunts for current measurements
45:00 <Lemon> I really wonder how they measure PH ! heh I see, you are the opposite of me I guess :P
45:01 <Kuschelpony> i do have aon lend an thermocouple thermomenter that is very useful, should buy an own one one day, but dont have that money flowing availbale
45:12 <Lemon> you get shit done with the least possible of gear
45:13 <Kuschelpony> explanation of pg follows soon
45:24 <Kuschelpony> yep i am creati9ve
45:35 <Lemon> I have tons of gear and yet I dont do a lot
45:44 <Lemon> but im more passionned about gear itself
45:50 <Lemon> finding super nice deals, etc
45:56 <Kuschelpony> what i do not yet have but would love to is a luxmeter, have an photodiode based improvisation but do not very trust the color foil to match close to the eye sensitivity
46:08 <Lemon> hoooo I got one !
46:11 <Kuschelpony> i have a measurement microphone high on my list of wishes for speaker development
46:12 <Lemon> I bought one a few days ago
46:34 <Kuschelpony> i do have a few old scopes, mostly resurrcted junk
46:35 <Lemon> its supposed to be quite a high end one, from the brand LMT
46:46 <Kuschelpony> the philips one can even be used mobile on 24V accumulator
47:05 <Lemon> hehe nice :>
47:19 <Kuschelpony> also i have a few dedicated bench things, like function generator, or an assortment of panel meters for specific purposes
47:54 <Kuschelpony> fopr the ph meter:
48:27 <Kuschelpony> in chemistry everywhere two conductive things meet you have voltage differences
48:54 <Kuschelpony> this also includes solutions where ions are present in different concentration
49:27 <Kuschelpony> for common ions you get a voltage of about 58mV per decade of concentration difference, so for every ph grade as well
50:23 <Kuschelpony> now all you need is an electrode pair, where opne electrode is engineered to have a constant potential relative to aqua solutions, if i remember right thats based on potassium chloride and other stuff
50:44 <Kuschelpony> and one electrode that has hydrogen ions in buffered concentration
50:57 <Kuschelpony> which develops the voltage relative to the ph of your solution
51:41 <Kuschelpony> the latetr electrode has a superthing glass wall that is already somewhat conductive in the megaohms range, so you need an amplifier that has giga or tera ohms input resistance to not modify this voltage
52:03 <Kuschelpony> and for convenience all is built into a single evelope that i calles ph electrode
11:49 <Halcyon> Hey guys
12:53 <steve30> hi
15:46 * steve30 ponders alcohol
16:23 <Halcyon> What sort?
16:31 <steve30> beer
16:36 <steve30> (i don't have anything else)
16:54 <Halcyon> Wait, it's not even lunch time there yet!
16:59 <Halcyon> Breakfast beer?
17:06 <steve30> well, i'm hungry
17:59 <steve30> and feel like crap, so i need food and alcohol
18:09 <Halcyon> What's the matter?
19:07 <steve30> i've just felt like sh*t for the last few weeks
19:15 <Halcyon> :(
19:20 * Ysjoelfir FEELS CRAP AS WELL, SO SHOULD GET SOME ALCOHOL AS WELL :d
19:23 <steve30> i wasn't too bad yesterday; i managed to go out in the sunshine
19:28 * Ysjoelfir rips out that capslock key
20:00 <Kuschelpony> oh, you make the same keyboard accidents as i do, should i worry?
26:49 <Halcyon> I might go have an early night
30:32 <Lemon> excuse me Kuschelpony, my dear mother did the "go get gas so we can finish to cook the chicken" when everything closes in 5 minutes
31:02 <Halcyon> As in LPG?
31:42 <Lemon> lotoo paw gold ? the expensive dap ? :P
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32:30 <Halcyon> Their website mentions lpg
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32:43 <Ysjoelfir> erm....
32:44 <Halcyon> Website
32:46 <Halcyon> Directions
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32:58 <Kuschelpony> i wonder anyway if i shoul write such textwalls at all, if people want to read that
33:00 <Halcyon> Directions
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33:10 <Ysjoelfir> lol
33:10 <Halcyon> Liquiefied petroleum gas
33:12 <Halcyon> I copied and pasted the wrong thing
33:14 <Halcyon> As opposed to natural gas?
33:16 <Halcyon> Hehehe
33:18 <Halcyon> :P
33:19 <Ysjoelfir> aaaargh
33:30 <Halcyon> Did that bite you in the ass Ysjoelfir ?
33:37 <Ysjoelfir> a bit :P
33:43 <Halcyon> Good, the system works
34:42 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, guess where the guy that sold me the luxmeter worked !
35:35 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno?
35:52 <Lemon> your favourite brand !
36:17 <Ysjoelfir> Gossen!
36:39 <Lemon> noooo, Philips !
36:47 * Ysjoelfir pukes all over Lemon
36:56 <Lemon> haha :P
37:11 <Lemon> and I also learnt this little device got calibrated 4 years ago, and barely used
37:30 <Lemon> battery was all corroded btw, so I cut wires, and powered it from a lab supply
37:34 <Lemon> worked fine !
37:45 <Lemon> now I have to find a way for it to work via mains
42:20 <Lemon> im waiting on LMT to give me a schematic :>
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50:12 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
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52:01 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
52:31 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
52:47 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK, how are you? Sleep OK?
53:10 <Ampera> I slept for about 12 hours or more
53:18 <Halcyon> Oh that's good
53:36 <Ampera> good to see your hatred of small animals is yet unyielding
53:40 <damian> hi
54:00 <Ampera> good morning, damian
54:00 <Halcyon> Hey Damo
54:03 <Ampera> how are you doing
54:31 <damian> i'm doing alright, just sat down finally
54:35 <damian> what's happening chaps
54:44 <Halcyon> Need to pee? That's about all
54:46 <Ampera> I just woke up
54:55 <Ampera> I also just peed
55:36 <damian> hey, i just peed
55:40 <damian> i'm one up on both yo asses
55:50 <Ampera> wha
55:51 <Halcyon> Finnnne I'll go pee, then I can be part of the cool group
56:02 <Ampera> you ain't one up me upside down guy
56:15 <Ampera> I am the master pisser in this conversatino
57:24 <Halcyon> There we go
57:27 <damian> no, you are upside down!
57:33 <Ampera> how was your piss, Halcyon?
57:42 <damian> have you peed yet? because we have
57:46 <Halcyon> I wonder if peeing provides a low enough resistance to ground to dissipate built up static charge on a body?
57:49 <damian> we are superior
57:59 <Halcyon> It was lovely. Thanks for asking
58:03 <Ampera> damian, you talking to me?
58:07 <damian> yeh bitch
58:09 <damian> you wanna fight
58:13 <Ampera> you need to learn how to read ya fat cunt
58:19 <damian> oh you said you just peed
58:22 <damian> my bad
58:23 <damian> don't fight
58:27 <damian> i don't want to get hurt
58:29 <Ampera> too late, already mad bro
58:56 <Halcyon> Just tweak his man boobs Ampera
59:04 <damian> yes
59:05 <damian> do that
59:10 * damian wiggles eyebrows
59:10 <Halcyon> Hahaha
59:11 <Halcyon> Oh gawd
59:14 <Ampera> my first punch will be in the mail, be there in a week or two
01:02 * Halcyon nibbles on a Tim Tam
01:18 <damian> nom nom
01:23 <damian> i want a tim tam
01:32 <Halcyon> I tried the mango ones the other day for the first time
02:31 <Ampera> y'all need jesus
02:35 <damian> no tenx
02:38 <Ampera> now /those/ are delicious
02:40 <Halcyon> What's a Jesus?
02:40 <damian> choc or double choc only for me
02:51 <Ampera> Halcyon, a delicious chocolate pre-packaged cake we have
03:00 <Halcyon> Link
03:05 <Ampera> link?
03:10 <Halcyon> Show me
03:14 <Ampera> oh, no they're a local thing, they don't have a website
03:26 <Halcyon> Send me one then
03:34 <Ampera> it'd be rotten by the time it got there
03:34 <damian> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/JesusChocolate.jpg
03:53 <Halcyon> Well fuck ya then
04:04 <Ampera> alright, just be gentle
04:11 * Halcyon uses spit
05:12 <Ampera> there's worse things you could use. A search warrant, for example
05:33 <Halcyon> Courts generally don't issue warrants for sex
05:38 <Halcyon> I could ask I suppose?
05:41 <Ampera> hahaha
05:52 <Ampera> reminds me of our work permit system in New York
06:06 <Ampera> if you're under 18, you need an official permit given by the school in order to work a job
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09:00 <damian> wat
09:08 <damian> what if you don't go to school
09:18 <Ampera> you need a permit anyways
09:31 <Ampera> I got one, though never used it. You go to a school, and ask for it.
09:40 <Ampera> it's literally just a piece of paper
09:49 <Ampera> they don't even cut it square, they just write some stuff on it and there you go
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10:13 <Ampera> it even looks carbon copied, just to remind you that technology in the local schools hasn't advanced past the 1980's
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12:48 <Halcyon> Hm that was weird
13:05 <Ampera> did you feel your first heteroerotic emotion?
13:08 <damian> https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/no8oou/im_not_even_sorry/
13:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
13:10 <damian> oh man
13:19 <Halcyon> Nah the dock for my laptop wigged out
13:27 <Ampera> Lenovo quality
13:37 <damian> ur dick?
13:50 <Halcyon> Probably should check to see if there are firmware updates
14:15 <damian> if you have the lenovo software installed .. it'll tell you
14:20 <damian> it'll tell you constantly, all the time
14:23 <Halcyon> I use Linux, so I don't
14:28 <damian> ahhhh
14:32 <damian> of course, you're too cool for Windows
14:36 <Ampera> ^
14:41 <Halcyon> Everyone is too cool for Windows
14:43 <Ampera> if you just used windows, you wouldn't have these problems
14:43 <Halcyon> Windows blows
14:51 <Halcyon> No, I'd have other problems
14:57 <damian> it feels like Lenovo are releasing firmware updates for their laptops and docks every second day at the moment
15:00 <Halcyon> And by now I will have thrown my laptop across the room
15:06 <Ampera> I hate Lenovo
15:08 <Ampera> their laptops suck ass
15:09 <Halcyon> Good, that's the way it should be damian
15:22 <Halcyon> I hate manufacturers that release crap and then never update shit
15:36 <Halcyon> Ampera: I have a Thinkpad, it is honestly the best machine I've ever used.
15:45 <damian> i agree, but have a release schedule unless it's a 0day bug
15:56 <Ampera> updates won't fix a laptop with all its screws fallen out, cracks in the deck, and a general look like it's about to snap in half
15:58 <Ampera> after a year of use
16:01 <damian> and if you have that many exploits in your software, eek
16:03 <Halcyon> Meh, I like that they leave it up the end users
16:13 <Halcyon> I say, release shit when it's ready to be released.
16:22 <Halcyon> Your update cycle doesn't have to sync with theirs
16:51 <damian> can you control Lenovo firmware updates centrally?!
16:54 <Halcyon> Ampera, I've had my laptop for about a year and it looks almost new
17:05 <Halcyon> No idea
17:05 <Ampera> yeah, that's because you paid out the nose for it
17:10 <Halcyon> Yep
17:19 <Halcyon> You get what you pay for (except if you buy Apple)
17:21 <Ampera> if you don't, they sell you hot garbage, and doesn't make me want to pay out the nose for a company who conditionally makes usable hardware
17:33 <Halcyon> Most consumer laptops are hot garbage
17:36 <Halcyon> That's nothing new
17:37 <Ampera> I paid almost a thousand bucks for a laptop without a GPU
17:52 <Ampera> I have laptops that cost less almost 20 years ago that have held up better
17:56 <Ampera> including one from Apple
17:58 <Halcyon> Yep
18:03 <Halcyon> Those days are gone
18:12 <damian> what laptop is yours ampera?
18:12 <Halcyon> Lonnnnng gone
18:25 <damian> damn i find it so hard to read text here now i'm used to discord haha
18:27 <Ampera> damian, one of their 360 degree hinge ones, I think it's an ideapad flex
18:33 <Ampera> discord is ass
18:34 <damian> ah yeah
18:47 <Ampera> it's just very stupid things they fucked up with it
18:56 <Ampera> the laptop is hollow and flexes like nuts
18:59 <Ampera> the plastic is thin and cheap
19:08 <Ampera> and the screws are tiny and don't have any loctite on them, so they just fall out
19:17 <Halcyon> Yep
19:23 <Ampera> the thing has left the side of my bed maybe a dozen times in its entire life
19:24 <Halcyon> That's consumer grade electronics for ya
19:27 <Ampera> Lenovo's just a shit company
19:34 <damian> i have never really liked Lenovo, i had an old laptop of theirs years ago that the battery died like 13 months after purchase and they wouldn't honor anything. HP, even battery dies after 13 months, they'll replace the sucker
19:39 <Ampera> I've got tons of "consumer grade" gear that didn't need to cost a million dollars
19:43 <Halcyon> Hahah you think Lenovo is shit? Wait until you tried the others
19:56 <Halcyon> Even the enterprise stuff that Dell pump out is pure garbage
19:58 <damian> but i only use HPE
20:09 <Ampera> I have. Surface Pro 3 I had is coming on 10 years old, and is in near perfect condition, and I bought it used
20:16 <Ampera> for a few hundred bucks too
20:30 <Halcyon> You cannot compare consumer Lenovo with their enterprise gear
20:34 <Halcyon> Completely different ballpark
20:45 <Ampera> but why would I buy their enterprise stuff if they fuck me over with their consumer gear
20:54 <damian> wat
20:59 <Halcyon> Because, apples and oranges
21:02 <damian> because consumer grade stuff is .... consumer grade
21:12 <Halcyon> Completely different product lines, factories, quality
21:13 <Ampera> it's like going to a diner everyone says is good, getting food poisoning off the eggs, and then being told, oh yeah, the eggs are lethal, but you should have been trying their hundred dollar steaks
21:16 <damian> if you want things to last, don't buy substandard gear
21:28 <Halcyon> No, you buy consumer gear, expect consumer quality
21:30 <damian> not really
21:34 <Ampera> damian, but I have consumer grade hardware that doesn't disintegrate
21:40 <damian> it's like going to mcdonalds and expecting it to be a five star restaurant
21:52 <Ampera> y'all are rich cunts you know that?
21:59 <damian> doubtful!
22:08 <Halcyon> *shrug* Most of mine was claimed back in tax
22:14 <Ampera> the solution to everything isn't just to give companies that make the worst garbage more money
22:24 <damian> all of my home gear is consumer grade, but i've worked with enterprise for over a decade
22:38 <Halcyon> But you can't tarnish a brand overall because their low end gear is crap
22:47 <damian> yuh
22:47 <Ampera> I also have enterprise grade IBM servers that are as old as my consumer grade laptops that barely work anymore
22:54 <Halcyon> The same can be said for HP, Dell, Microsoft, Apple etc...
22:58 <Kuschelpony> hmm
23:02 <Ampera> a thousand dollar laptop should not be considered low end and year end disposable
23:09 <damian> yeah. i love HP to death, but i would never buy or recommend anyone buy a consumer grade laptop from them
23:15 <Halcyon> $1000 for a laptop is entry-level
23:26 <Ampera> They make actually disposable chromebooks for far less than that
23:41 <Ampera> and it's easy for you to say, Halcyon, you spend stupid amounts of money on everything from coffee machines to drapes :P
23:43 <Kuschelpony> let me make a comment of someone who got burnt some times for buying crap for premium prices with industrial-like quality advertisements
23:44 <Halcyon> I bought a Thinkpad because I want it to last me at leat 5-7 years
23:46 <Ampera> some people here need to actually afford other things
23:50 <Halcyon> I need it to perform and be reliable
24:02 <Ampera> I have an iBook G4 from 2003 that I'm still using
24:12 <Halcyon> Cool
24:16 <damian> $800 for a decent consumer laptop .. cool. spend $1500 and get a probook, you won't regret it, and it'll live with you for years
24:17 <Kuschelpony> i think a lot more people would buy good stuff for good money if they would have a independ rating whats "good"
24:28 <Halcyon> I'm just saying, you can't compare a company's consumer product to their commercial ones
24:30 <Ampera> It's definitively a consumer laptop, made out of plastic, and it's in perfectly good condition
24:41 <Ampera> I can and I will.
24:55 <Halcyon> Oh well *shrug*
24:57 <Ampera> Lenovo is trash
24:59 <damian> i thought you'd have learnt by now that trying to change Amperas mind on anything is futile, Halcyon :P
25:08 <Ampera> Halcyon is the same fucking way
25:13 <Ampera> it only matters who agrees with him
25:13 <damian> lol
25:21 <damian> this is why you love each other so much
25:26 <Halcyon> Except I have a laptop that doesn't fall apart sitting on my bedside table :P
25:31 <Ampera> he was insistent that all Asians are incompetent drivers and incapable of the mental bandwidth needed to even comprehend driving the other ay
25:34 <Halcyon> I also have 20+ years in the IT industry to back me up
25:36 <damian> now ASUS
25:41 <damian> their consumer grade stuff i stand by!
25:41 <Ampera> like a massive racist, and he was cemented in the ground that he wasn't
25:44 <Halcyon> Ampera, incorrect
25:53 <damian> i have an ASUS laptop i purchased in 2009 that is still sitting next to me going strong
26:05 <Ampera> That's what you said, I'll pull logs if I have to
26:19 <Halcyon> That's NOT what I said, and I ever said that's not what I said
26:23 <Halcyon> I didn't say ALL... you did
26:31 <Ampera> sorry, the vast majority
26:40 <Halcyon> Even after pointing out your error, you still misquote me
26:43 <Ampera> taking one extreme and jumping to the other
26:44 <Halcyon> I said "generally"
26:54 <Ampera> generally is the same as majority
27:20 <Ampera> and it's still just as discriminatory
27:46 <Ampera> if I said something like that and any employer here knew that I did, I would be fired the next day
28:28 <Ampera> but the argument isn't about asians, it's about that you are as equally immovable as I am
28:29 <Halcyon> Well, I disagree
28:34 <Ampera> I know you do
28:34 <Halcyon> But you can have you opinion
28:49 <Ampera> because the point here is that you are incapable of conceiving of opinions besides your own
28:55 <Halcyon> Incorrect
29:05 <Ampera> I think you just proved my point in one word
29:06 <Halcyon> In fact I am actually quite flexible in my thinking.
29:08 <damian> get a room you two
29:09 <damian> sheesh
29:24 <Ampera> so you think
29:26 <damian> 20+ years in the IT industry?
29:31 <damian> how the hell old are you, old man
29:31 <Halcyon> damian, yep
29:38 <Halcyon> I started when I was 14
29:42 <Ampera> He's ancient
29:46 <Halcyon> Worked for an ISP out of a garage :P
29:47 <damian> blasphemy
29:51 <Ampera> and he likes making people feel bad by being old
30:02 <Ampera> for him, just because he's old, it means he's de-facto right
30:07 <Halcyon> No, I like making people feel bad by being smarter than they are :P
30:13 <damian> Canberra, capital of the country, has child labour active in it
30:21 <Ampera> you're as smart as an average Australian, Halcyon
30:34 <Halcyon> Oh helllll no
30:39 <Ampera> hahaha
30:55 <damian> https://media.tenor.com/images/9da4150cc7eb3e2c64f6ed72ac9ce756/tenor.png
30:56 <Halcyon> I haven't got to where I am by being "average"
30:57 <Ampera> Legal age to work in NY is 14
31:09 <damian> yeah, but you need a note from your damn school!
31:11 <Halcyon> damian, 14 yrs 9 mths is the legal working age
31:17 <damian> yeah i know :P
31:17 <Halcyon> At least when I started
31:19 <Ampera> damian, it's a will give, not a may give
31:20 <damian> i was just making a joke..
31:23 <Halcyon> I actually "worked" when I was 13
32:44 <Halcyon> But yeh, after owning this Thinkpad for almost a year, would I buy another one? Absolutely.
32:49 <Halcyon> It's been amazing
33:21 <Ampera> It's hilariously low spec
33:40 <damian> what model do you have?
33:43 <Halcyon> It actually beats the pants off our $13k HP workstations at work
33:49 <damian> i havne't used any current model lenovos, but i wouldn't go to them
33:50 <Halcyon> P1 Gen 2
34:12 <damian> ugh, it's still black
34:24 <Ampera> I swear, are all Australians just racists or something?
34:28 <Ampera> you're almost as bad as the Canadians
34:32 <damian> a hell of a lot, yeah Ampera
34:39 <damian> it's frustrating as anything, and really upsetting
34:50 <Ampera> most people in most of the US aren't racist
34:57 <Ampera> yet we have some of the biggest fires because of it
35:08 <Halcyon> 32 GB RAM, Intel i7-9750H, Nvidia Quadro T2000
35:08 <damian> i feel like that's because you have blinders on
35:14 <damian> are you white?
35:25 <Ampera> I'm not playing identity politics with you
35:27 <Halcyon> Dual 1TB NVMe SSDs
35:39 <Halcyon> Not the highest spec, but pretty awesome
35:46 <damian> it's not politics, but if there's a huge issue with the things that there are over there, it has to be for a reason
36:02 <Ampera> Most of it is locational and financial.
36:14 <Ampera> Cities around here are designed to keep poor people poor, and rich people rich
36:19 <Ampera> social class is all but enforced
36:39 <Halcyon> The vast majority of Australians aren't racist at all. No one really gives a shit where you're from or what's between your legs
36:42 <Ampera> in most places, it's not specifically about race, Elvis grew up in the ghetto, but it ends up being
37:02 <Ampera> damian, what was that you said about blinders on?
37:07 <Halcyon> It's what makes it quite a nice place to live. People just go about their business.
37:10 <Ampera> the racist says nobody's racist :P
37:22 <Halcyon> I'm not racist either
37:33 <damian> .....
37:35 <Ampera> You don't believe Asians are generally smart enough to operate a motor vehicle
37:37 <Ampera> that's pretty racist
37:42 <Halcyon> That's not what I said
37:48 <damian> you're literally saying the same thing about America?@##$%!#@?$%%$#^T%
37:51 <Ampera> I'll pull logs
37:51 <damian> what the actual hell hahahaha
37:58 <Halcyon> Pull all you like Ampera
37:59 <damian> god you two are frustrating
38:01 <Halcyon> That's not what I said
38:03 <damian> i remember why i don't come in here :P
38:24 <Halcyon> damian, yeh some American
38:28 <Halcyon> s don't seem to get it :P
38:37 <Ampera> There are racist people in the US, but people enjoy saying it's a lot more than it actually is, because it gets them political pity points.
38:47 <Halcyon> *shrug*
38:53 <Halcyon> Why can't people just get along
38:54 <Ampera> We've had a level of fire and brimstone race problems that would make you fucking terrified
38:56 <Halcyon> It's not that fucking hard
39:07 <Ampera> because people like you refuse to see Asians as equals
39:16 <Halcyon> Why put words in my mouth?
39:23 <Ampera> I'm not, I can pull logs
39:25 <Halcyon> That's not the way I see it at all
39:35 <Ampera> describe your viewpoint then
39:39 <Halcyon> That's twice you've said it
39:47 <Halcyon> And yet, you just misquote and make wrong assumptions
39:58 <Ampera> I'm not misquoting shit
40:04 <Halcyon> You absolutely are
40:05 <Ampera> I'm pulling logs right now
40:15 <Halcyon> To suit your agenda
40:28 <Halcyon> You're pulling something...
41:46 <Halcyon> Anyway I am not getting into political arguments as it just ends up pissing you off
41:51 <Halcyon> I really don't give a shit
42:09 <Ampera> I'm finding my logs
42:19 <Ampera> it's about 500,000 lines, give me a minute
42:31 <Halcyon> OK? Cool, knock yourself out. It won't prove what you think it will.
42:43 <Halcyon> You enjoy that
42:51 <Halcyon> damian you massive slut
42:53 <Ampera> May 25 21:54:46 <Halcyon>	It's like saying Asian or Indian drivers are generally awful behind the wheel of a car
43:00 <Ampera> May 25 21:55:08 <Halcyon>	If something is true, how can it be racist?
43:05 <Halcyon> Yep
43:14 <damian> i'll give you something that's hard
43:15 <damian> ;) ;)
43:15 <Halcyon> Guilty for pointing out the truth
43:20 <Ampera> May 25 21:56:33 <Halcyon>	Not just one or two, but about 80% of them
43:34 <Halcyon> To be fair 80% is a number I pulled out of my ass
43:41 <Halcyon> It could be 90% for all I know
43:43 <Ampera> May 25 22:02:31 <Halcyon>	Either they are incapable of thinking outside the box and adapting to conditions, that their driver education is minimal or they just don't care?
43:49 <Halcyon> Yep
43:56 <Halcyon> And... ?
43:58 <Ampera> May 25 22:03:27 <Ampera>	where they come from doesn't mean they're incapable of thinking like you or I do
44:04 <Ampera> May 25 22:03:30 <Halcyon>	Ampera: It absolutely does
44:10 <Halcyon> Poor driver education is racist because.... ?
44:35 <Ampera> you said right there, Asians are incapable of thinking the way you or I do
44:40 <Halcyon> Incorrect
44:44 <Ampera> I have it in the logs
44:46 <Ampera> right here
44:59 <Halcyon> The way you are taught and how you grow up has a lot to do with it
45:20 <Ampera> culture doesn't restrict an individual from merit though
45:28 <Halcyon> If you are never taught to think objectively or think for yourself... how the hell do you think people learn to do that later in life?
45:36 <Halcyon> Culture absolutely does
45:57 <Halcyon> That's not to say ALL who gre up that way will end up thinking that way for life
46:01 <Ampera> you're proving my point right in front of me
46:01 <Halcyon> Some people don't
46:02 <Ampera> it's hilarious
46:11 <Halcyon> It's not really. It is what it is?
46:22 <Halcyon> If that makes you "right" then have at it. I really don't care.
46:38 <Ampera> That's what sad, you can't even comprehend what you say is 60's Jim Crow levels of thinking
46:49 <Halcyon> Says you
46:56 <Halcyon> Forgive me if I once again disagree
47:07 <Ampera> You can't sneeze here without people reminding you about the nation's racist history.
47:28 <Ampera> If there is any topic more ingrained into people's minds, it'd only be how to breathe
47:29 <Halcyon> What nation doesn't have a racist history? You're now clutching at straws
47:40 <Halcyon> That has nothing to do with me as an individual
48:17 <Ampera> The point is how some of the most terrible, racist people in the world have thought is cemented into everyone's minds. People know it.
48:38 <Halcyon> I don't care what people in the past think. It's not how I think.
49:15 <Ampera> It's protagonist syndrome, everyone always believes they are the hero in their story.
49:22 <Halcyon> I'm no hero
49:23 <Halcyon> I'm me
49:39 <Ampera> How conveniently humble
49:50 <Halcyon> That's me in a nutshell
49:59 <Halcyon> I don't pretend to be something I'm not
50:07 <Halcyon> But I also call a spade, a spade
50:13 <Ampera> haha, you're describing yourself as humble when you find it convenient
50:22 <Ampera> so what, egotistical all other times?
50:33 <Halcyon> Nope, once again, I disagree
50:38 <Halcyon> That can be your opinion if you like
50:42 <Ampera> Of course, because it's convenient.
50:50 <Halcyon> Sure, let's go with that ;-)
51:23 <Halcyon> Oh yay, haircut tomorrow :D
51:39 <Ampera> Grow your mustache out, so they can give you the charlie chaplin special.
51:52 <Halcyon> I don't have a mustache ?
52:06 <Ampera> That's why I said to grow one
52:13 <Halcyon> I hate facial hair
52:14 <Ampera> unless you forgot how facial hair works :P
52:20 <Halcyon> I shave every day
52:58 * Halcyon spanks damian 
53:02 <damian> quit it
53:07 <Halcyon> Why? You love it
53:12 <damian> fine, keep going
53:14 <Ampera> https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/05/30/0018259/guess-who-opposes-federal-funding-for-broadband-internet-services-run-by-city-governments?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
53:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Guess Who Opposes Federal Funding for Broadband Internet Services Run by City Governments? - Slashdot
53:15 <Halcyon> Bahaha
53:16 <Halcyon> filth
53:17 <Halcyon> :P
53:41 <Ampera> I'm worried public internet is a lord and savior people are afraid to ever question
53:47 <Ampera> it most certainly comes with its own disadvantages
53:57 <Halcyon> And I thought the NBN was bad
54:12 <Ampera> The US is very locational with our internet quality
54:12 <damian> i weep at what NBN could have been :'(
54:23 <Ampera> I have probably the best residential internet in the US
54:25 <Halcyon> damian, it's slowly becoming what it should have been
54:35 <damian> yeah, slowly
54:35 <Halcyon> But at least we're guaranteed 25 Mbps down as a minimum
54:41 <damian> 2020/2021 has really opened it up so much better
54:42 <Ampera> holy fucking shit am I about to throw firefox out a window
54:57 <damian> and aussie broadband, holy damn, i love them for what they have done
55:06 <damian> they're playing NBN for fools so hard right now, i love it
55:16 <Halcyon> Sammmme
55:21 <Ampera> It's almost designed to be slightly annoying in every possible way
55:30 <Halcyon> Ampera: User error
55:34 <Ampera> videos need extra encouragement to start playing, websites will just stall occasionally
55:45 <damian> i absolutely love love love that NBN put in place some extra bandwidth for things, and aussie broadband just passed it onto users for free (anyone on 100mbit could get 250mbit for the same price for six months)
55:55 <Ampera> Halcyon, are you using Firefox?
56:11 <damian> and then NBN released their 'if you are 250mbit+ (i think?) you can apply for fttp upgrade'
56:21 <Halcyon> Ampera yes
56:22 <damian> and all 100mbit users @ aussie broadband apply, because they now have free 250mbit
56:25 <Halcyon> Mostly, and Opera
56:29 <Ampera> how long do you keep it open at a time
56:33 <Halcyon> 24/7
56:48 <Ampera> why do I always get the oddball problems
56:53 <Ampera> it's the QA curse
57:00 <Ampera> I only get the irritating problems to figure out
57:29 <Halcyon> I currently have 44 tabs open
58:00 <Ampera> For me, search boxes, different websites will take a few seconds to work, videos will load aimlessly until you press buttons until it works
58:18 <Halcyon> Can't say I have noticed that
58:22 <Ampera> oh, and if something like a video game is running in the background, the GL compositor takes a shit
58:31 <Halcyon> The only thing I notice is sometimes a Youtube tab will use 100% CPU
58:34 <Halcyon> But that's about it
58:35 <Ampera> Chromium being unaffected by all of these
59:05 <Ampera> I noticed it especially on Wikipedia, usually after running firefox for a while, where the search bar would take a few seconds to activate
59:12 <damian> time to upgrade your computer, get a lenovo
59:30 <Ampera> I have one of the most powerful desktop CPUs in the world
59:44 <damian> have you checked the loading time to see what's causing the lag?
59:51 <damian> but is it in a lenovo?
59:54 <Halcyon> Maybe that's your problem? You bought an AMD :P
00:02 <damian> hahah
00:17 <Ampera> Halcyon, you bought an incel
00:35 <Halcyon> Yeh and it farken works :P
00:46 <Ampera> weren't you just complaining about the dock flicking out?
00:58 <Halcyon> Probably because I haven't updated it since I bought it
01:09 <Halcyon> Also Linux tells me there are like 600 updates to do :P
01:11 <Halcyon> Later problem
01:14 <damian> haha
01:30 <Ampera> Didn't you also have continual unending problems dealing with Linux you kept asking me for help with, before getting frustrated like a child before you hopped to another distro?
01:39 <Halcyon> Yes, Nvidia drivers
01:41 <Halcyon> They fucking suck
01:46 <Ampera> I have no problem with them
01:47 <damian> everyone should be running Windows on an Intel Mac
01:51 <damian> then there would be no issues ever
01:56 <Halcyon> Wash your mouth out damian
01:58 <Ampera> Maybe that's your problem? You bought a Lenovo
01:59 <damian> hahaha
02:02 <damian> hey, i like Windows
02:04 <damian> and i like Mac hardware
02:13 <Halcyon> I like Mac hardware, when it works
02:15 <Ampera> I'm debating buying one of the new macbook pros
02:21 <damian> i would never personally purchase it unless work was paying for it (how i got my macbook..)
02:28 <Ampera> Halcyon, you're the definition of user error
02:34 <Halcyon> *shrug*
02:36 <damian> i do like the speed of the new macbook pros
02:44 <Ampera> Actually the M1 macs are surprisingly cheap
02:46 <damian> apples work with arm is going places
02:47 <Ampera> you can get an air for a thousand bucks
02:48 <Halcyon> I want to be able to upgrade shit
02:58 <Halcyon> I like how just about everything is socketed in my laptop
03:05 <damian> socketed?
03:09 <damian> oh, gotcha, upgrades
03:12 <Halcyon> Yes
03:13 <Ampera> No matter what you do, you're gonna have a slow as shit Intel CPU
03:16 <damian> yeah. that's the worst thing about mac, my god
03:23 <Halcyon> My CPU is awesome
03:26 <Ampera> not really
03:29 <damian> a year ago i purchased a macbook for work ... and i got a 128gb ssd, 'cause the user shouldn't have needed more
03:30 <Halcyon> It really is
03:37 <Ampera> no, it's nothing special
03:43 <Halcyon> Not these days
03:44 <damian> now they have changed roles and need 500gb, but nooooooo .. cant upgrade disk in that model
03:50 <Ampera> and you only bought it a year ago :P
03:53 <Halcyon> But most shit doesn't need the latest Xeon
03:57 <Ampera> and it's already obsolete
03:58 <Halcyon> Yes, welcome to computers
04:00 <Ampera> Xeons are way behind the times
04:04 <Halcyon> They are obsolete the moment you walk out the door
04:14 <Ampera> My CPU is about a year old and still one of the fastest CPUs a mere mortal can afford
04:18 <damian> it's not obselete, it's just not fit for purpose. it's going to another user who only needs 128gb
04:39 <damian> my macbook that's five years old is 128gb .. and i have zero issues with that. i do movie editing and everything on it as well without drama or disk filling up
04:46 <damian> nfi how this guy fills up his disk every second week
04:53 <Ampera> porn
05:00 <Halcyon> To be fair, 128GB is fuck all
05:16 <Ampera> Besides my Steam library on my desktop, I use nowhere near that on most of my systems
05:26 <Ampera> the benefit of having a strong network and servers
05:35 <damian> yeah, it is only a little amount
05:43 <damian> but when all apps are remote / web, not needed
05:52 <Halcyon> True
06:00 <Ampera> Well what's nice about the M1 Macs is they have thunderbolt, so you can get a fast as it can be NVMe SSD plugged into it
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06:14 <Ampera> which is a bit of a cheap-out solution, but more than can be said for most laptops
06:20 <Halcyon> The downside about the M1 macs is that Apple made them
06:27 <damian> yeah, that's cool .. but an external disk isn't fit for enterprise
06:34 <Halcyon> I'll wait to see what they cheaped out on or what stupid design decisions they made
06:35 <Ampera> Halcyon, says the guy with the "you just need to keep paying more" Lenovo
06:38 <damian> lol Halcyon
06:49 <Halcyon> My Lenovo cost less than an Apple
07:06 <damian> but the M1 would kick the lenovos ass in performance, to be fair
07:16 <Halcyon> It's also much newer
07:17 <Ampera> I'm excited for the M1X/M2
07:29 <Ampera> I have a feeling that's really gonna make some PC's cry
07:34 <damian> if you spent the same on a current model lenovo, M1 would still kick its ass
07:51 <Ampera> Apple's CPUs are and have always been black magic
07:57 <damian> i wouldn't say so Ampera, only because PC people are PC people and Mac people are Mac people .. for the main part
08:00 <Ampera> at least now they're in a computer, instead of a feature phone
08:09 <damian> no one really cares what the other is doing, except to say 'mine is better'
08:12 <Ampera> I'm a broad spectrum Unix person
08:14 <damian> no one goes 'oh no, theirs is better'
08:30 <Ampera> the OS, with the exception of Windows, is fairly flexible, because most of the stuff I use on a daily basis is quite portable
08:36 <Halcyon> Ampera: Apple have used Intel up until now
08:43 <Halcyon> How is that "black magic" ?
08:47 <damian> lol
08:53 <damian> he's racist
08:54 <damian> leave him alone
08:57 <Ampera> because that's not an Apple CPU
08:58 <Halcyon> Ahh
09:33 <Halcyon> And if the M1 struggles with the thermal issues prior macbooks have, then they can be as fast as they like... until they throttle
09:38 <Halcyon> Then it becomes irrelevant
09:45 <Ampera> No, they're actually shockingly cool
09:54 <Ampera> iirc they're on a 5mn node, way beyond anything anyone else has
10:07 <Ampera> The battery life is also unheard of too, iirc
10:10 <damian> yeah, the M1's are pretty cool Halcyon
10:16 <damian> have you had a look into them at all?
10:24 <damian> they're legit going to change the way computers work i think
10:24 <Ampera> Nah, it'd just make him feel bad he bought a Lenovo
10:25 <Halcyon> A little
10:35 <Halcyon> We'll get some at work soon enough so I can have a play
10:54 <Halcyon> Not at all Ampera, they still run Mac OS :P
11:01 <Halcyon> So I'm leaps and bounds ahead already
11:13 <damian> the fact that Apple have managed to take an ARM chip and make it do everything an x86 can do is a game changer
11:24 <Ampera> It's close enough to BSD I can just ignore Quartz for the most part and use all of my X software
11:26 <damian> quicker processing, cooler temperatures, more compatibility
11:43 <Halcyon> Yeh absolutely
11:45 <Ampera> It did the Itanium trick of having optimizations for x86 emulation
11:51 <Halcyon> It will be interesting to see what ARM develop next
11:58 <Ampera> ARM didn't develop any of this
12:02 <damian> it won't be long before Microsoft pull their head up to speed and integrate Windows
12:06 <Ampera> They're far far behind
12:23 <damian> i mean, they did really well with Windows 10 being able to run on pretty much everything, but it doesn't process the same
12:23 <Ampera> I'm amazed at how fast a mostly working Linux environment landed on the M1
12:48 <Halcyon> The problem is damian, almost no one wants Windows 10
12:52 <Halcyon> They are forced to use it
12:57 <Ampera> most people don't care
13:03 <Halcyon> Oh people care
13:06 <Ampera> yes, you
13:11 <Halcyon> I hear constant bitching at work
13:14 <Lemon> I have a question, what kind of HV probe technician use to verify high voltage poles ? I know its 110kv in france
13:48 <Ampera> Lemon, and I thought playing around with mains 240V was interesting, you're already working with transmission level power
14:02 <Lemon> haha nono im just curious :P
14:06 <Lemon> im already afraid of mains !
14:23 <Ampera> 110kV curious is an awesome type of curous
14:25 <Ampera> er, curious
14:35 <Ampera> just don't become a fried Lemon, those aren't as cute and tasty
14:52 <Lemon> yeah and not as funny too
15:23 <Lemon> I kinda want to get a HV probe to use on my scope's crt for example
15:34 <Lemon> so I have that ability, if I need to troubleshoot anything in that range
15:51 <Lemon> I've read good reviews on the pintech one, at 66 euros, which is decently priced
17:52 <Ampera> Lemon, did you ever see the subpanel I put together for my servers?
18:05 <Lemon> no ! show me show me
18:34 <Ampera> one sec
20:19 <Ampera> Lemon, on discord
20:51 <Lemon> hoooo thats very clean !
21:02 <Ampera> it's all 240V too
21:24 <Ampera> two 15A circuits. The box is connects to a 240V 50A outlet
21:55 <Ampera> the outlets are special 240V 15A ones too, different from our normal 120V outlets
23:21 <Halcyon> What happened to: <Ampera> discord is ass
23:22 <Halcyon> ?
23:31 <damian> yeah
23:33 <damian> AMPERA
23:36 <Ampera> you use things you don't like because other people use them
23:36 <damian> what happened to THAT
23:37 <Ampera> like Windows
23:51 <Halcyon> Ew, Windows
23:55 <Halcyon> *hiss*
23:56 <Ampera> unless you've converted your work machines into Linux already
24:07 <Halcyon> I have no control over my work machines
24:08 <damian> os[Unknown Windows NT Kernel OS (10.0 - 19041)]
24:10 <damian> bahahah
24:13 <damian> poor moo.dll
24:13 <Ampera> but glad to see you people care so much about what I use
24:18 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
24:19 <Ampera> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: ArchLinux • CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 16-Core Processor (2.20GHz) • Memory: 61.3 GiB Total (38.3 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.3 TB / 1.9 TB (561.1 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation TU116 [GeForce GTX 1660 Ti] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Starship/Matisse PCIe Dummy Host Bridge • Uptime: 1w 1d 23h 56m 41s
24:25 <Ampera> I can flex too
25:18 <Lemon> nice cpu :>
25:25 <Ampera> ty
26:14 <Halcyon> Too bad it's an AMD :P
26:23 <Halcyon> At least it keeps you toasty warm
26:30 <Ampera> Not really, it's probably cooler than your CPU
26:34 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/154314921345?hash=item23ede2d581:g:NJYAAOSwu1dgGAfk
26:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sondes Logique LP-1 LOGIC PROBE GLOBAL SPECIALTIES | eBay
26:40 <Lemon> im curious about this probe
26:41 <Halcyon> I don't actually know...
26:47 <Lemon> ive seen a few videos, and it looks quite useful
26:52 <Lemon> for quick checks
26:58 <Ampera> Yours is still 14nm tech
27:16 <Ampera> when not stressed, mine is quite cool and efficient
27:18 <Halcyon> Yeh and it works awesomely
27:36 <Ampera> whereas Intel crap is doing that Pentium D thing again where you're just cranking up the clocks right until it catches fire
27:36 <damian> pshht
27:39 <damian> but what do you need it for
27:45 <Halcyon> 53 degrees C
27:46 <damian> don't you do most of your work on your 1990's machines
27:51 <damian> cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz, 3401MHz, 4% Load]
27:53 <Halcyon> Mind you I am also watching Youtubes
27:54 <damian> this does me fine
27:54 <Ampera> compiling, now get off my lawn
28:07 <damian> pshhhttt, i compile on mine
28:12 <damian> it took me three weeks to compile Windows XP
28:19 <Ampera> mine can compile chromium in an hour
28:20 <Halcyon> Now 47
29:32 <damian> why do you need to compile chromium
29:34 <damian> just download Edge
29:35 <Ampera> temp is currently 40c
29:39 <Ampera> Edge is chromium
29:40 <Halcyon> Edge?
29:43 <damian> exactly
29:44 <damian> :P
29:55 <Ampera> and because it had a hardware accelerated decoding patch applied
30:09 <damian> pssht, extensions
30:22 <damian> i have a hardware acceleration extension that only has seventeen viruses
30:36 <Ampera> That's low for the average Windows machine
30:37 <Halcyon> That's because you use Windows :P
31:02 <damian> lol
31:08 <Halcyon> Also nom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh4JyH29M2s
31:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Breakfast Sandwich: Bacon Tomato Melt - You Suck at Cooking (episode 118)
31:23 <damian> honestly, i've been using Edge lately because i have to for some work applications .. and i'm not hating it
31:34 <Ampera> because it's just chromium
31:36 <damian> i would move to it completely if i could be assed pressing the import button from Chrome
31:38 <Lemon> hmm they state that the maximum bandwith of that logic probe is 10Mhz, but I have a hard time to realize if its enough or not for most stuff I might learn on
31:52 <damian> although.. Chrome just put in that handy arrow with all your tabs on it
31:54 <Ampera> I'm trying to de-google, so Firefox is what I'm using right now
31:56 <Ampera> and boy does it suck
31:57 <damian> i wonder how long before Edge gets it
32:07 <Halcyon> I want bacon now
32:16 <Ampera> though, being able to scroll through tabs is nice, whereas chromium just packs it tighter and tighter
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39:17 <damian> why are you degoogling?
39:41 <damian> maybe you need to compile again so you get the feature
39:44 <Ampera> because having a single company controlling almost every aspect of my life from email to phone to money is not a great thing
39:52 <damian> oh
39:57 <damian> move to Microsoft for email
39:58 <damian> job done
40:04 <damian> ;)
40:04 <Ampera> I'm actually working on my own email server
40:06 <Halcyon> In Australia, humans control our lives
40:10 <damian> lol
40:28 <damian> i used to run my own mail server, but i just couldn't be bothered with the upkeep anymore. i know that's not an issue for you though
41:01 <damian> i started out with Dovecot.. ran that for years locally, then in a vps, then i moved to a local microsoft exchange, now on office 365
41:03 <Halcyon> I don't think I've run a mail server since about 2007
41:20 <damian> yeah, it's been about six or seven years for me, not TOO long
41:26 <Ampera> dovecot isn't a mailserver
42:05 <damian> i'm slowly moving away from hosting anything myself.. just don't have time to get things back up if they break, really
42:12 <Halcyon> "Dovecot is an open-source IMAP and POP3 server for Unix-like operating systems" ?
42:17 <Halcyon> I've never heard of it
42:24 <Ampera> it's a mailbox server, one of the most popular around
42:28 <Ampera> I'm currently using it
42:36 <damian> what's the difference?
42:49 <Ampera> you can't send email with a mailbox server
42:54 <Ampera> (traditionally anyways)
43:03 <Ampera> you need a mailserver like postfix
43:06 <damian> ah yeah
43:43 <Halcyon> I treat email like my phone. I don't have the time or desire to faff around with infrastructure
43:52 <Ampera> you run your own PBX though
44:03 <Halcyon> I'd rather just pay a small fee for someone else to do it for me, at least I know it's secure and redundant
44:04 <Halcyon> I do
44:08 <Halcyon> But I don't *need* to
44:13 <Ampera> ....
44:17 <Ampera> but you do
44:22 <Halcyon> Why?
44:23 <Ampera> therefore you have desire to faff around with infrastructure...
44:35 <Ampera> no, I mean you do still have PBX
44:39 <Halcyon> Yes
44:40 <Ampera> so you obviously have the time and desire
44:51 <Halcyon> That's more of an experiment, I don't use it every day
48:15 <damian> wat
48:17 <damian> you run a pbx?
48:21 <Halcyon> Yeh
48:23 <damian> like .. a legit phone pbx?
48:30 <Halcyon> FreePBX/Asterisk
48:33 <damian> what for
48:38 <Halcyon> My business
48:38 <Ampera> I do too, an analog one at that
48:45 <Halcyon> But most people just use email these days
48:46 <Ampera> well analog/digital
48:53 <damian> ahh
48:57 <damian> i thought it was just for personal
49:07 <Halcyon> Nah I don't use "landline" for personal
49:19 <Ampera> for me it's largely an experiment, and way to switch one FXO into three FXSes
49:28 <damian> yeah, that's what i was wondering
49:31 <damian> does anyone under 60?
49:43 <Ampera> telephones are essential for life here
49:43 <electrohead> o/
49:46 <Ampera> everyone uses them
49:51 <damian> landline?
49:51 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
49:54 <Ampera> any
50:00 <damian> yeah, but we're talking specifically landline
50:08 <damian> phones are definitely essential here, but not landline
50:14 <damian> if we didn't have mobile/cell .. it would be chaos
50:14 <Halcyon> I don't think any of my mates have a landline phone
50:17 <Ampera> no landlines are not essential
50:29 <Ampera> and we haven't had a true landline for over a decade
50:34 <Ampera> but we've had VoIP since
50:37 <steve30> I wonder what hold music Halcyon has now
50:38 <damian> one of our store managers doesn't have a mobile/cell, his phone/internet went down a while ago and he had to go to the store next door and use their phone to call us lol
50:39 * electrohead face hugs Ampera
50:43 * electrohead gropes Halcyon
50:46 <Halcyon> steve30, I haven't touched it for ages
50:48 <Halcyon> YAY!
50:50 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead
50:58 <damian> ohhhh
51:03 <damian> is Halcyon the one that runs the Rick Roll Hotline?
51:11 <steve30> I always thought your hold music sounded like the kind of music you get in porn.
51:12 <Halcyon> That's the one :P
51:16 <Ampera> We have traditional phones still active in our house, but they are VoIP
51:28 <Ampera> I used them all the time up until 2020, when I got my first (true) cellphone
51:31 <damian> i consider voip to be landline
51:40 <Ampera> then I was landline only until last year
51:41 <electrohead> I have my hold music on my PBX set to slayer "raining blood"
51:43 <electrohead> :D
51:52 <Halcyon> It's the only landline you'll get these days damian
52:03 <damian> i feel like that was a dig, but i didnt get it
52:03 <damian> :(
52:05 <Halcyon> I don't know of anywhere that still uses analog POTS lines?
52:07 <steve30> We have a POTS line. My VoIP number auto redirects to the POTS number if it can't reach my server.
52:26 <Halcyon> MAYBE some really remote town with an old switch?
52:27 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/806990186311057428/20210204_155036.jpg
52:28 <Halcyon> I dunno?
52:30 <Ampera> picture of my desk phone
52:33 <Ampera> ignore the caffeine
52:38 <damian> haha, that's cool
52:50 <damian> for a while there my desk phone at my old job was a red rotary phone
52:53 <Ampera> My PBX is currently inactive, because the system it was in is very unstable
53:07 <Ampera> but before we turned it off a few weeks ago, it worked fine
53:20 <Ampera> my ATA card sadly does not have a high enough REN to ring it though
53:24 * steve30 finds his hold music entertaining
53:25 <Ampera> and REN boosters are stupid expensive
53:26 <electrohead> a lot of people still have POTS lines in my hometown and area
53:41 <Ampera> Verizon ripped out all of our twisted pair and replaced it with FttP
53:52 <Ampera> that way nobody could sell DSL through their lines :P
54:07 <electrohead> heh, it's opposite here
54:13 <electrohead> fuck verizon, that's all I'm saying
54:24 <Ampera> Verizon is the best ISP I've heard of
54:31 <Ampera> which is sad considering they're not much better than the rest
54:36 <damian> you haven't heard of Aussie Broadband!
54:48 <Ampera> but we have all our own equipment, and a 940/880 link
55:05 <Ampera> a sticky DHCP IPv4 with no CGNAT
01:41 * Halcyon strokes his static IPv4 address
01:50 <Halcyon> That costs exactl $0
01:52 <Halcyon> :P
01:54 * damian strokes Halcyon's..
01:54 <damian> wait
02:08 <Halcyon> Pfft, as if
02:17 <damian> i have a sticky ip .. but it hasn't changed in the year i've had it
02:40 <Halcyon> ABB's business plans are about the same, if not cheaper than the residential plans, but you get a free static IPv4 address
02:49 <Halcyon> Plus extended support hours and some other bits
02:49 * Ampera strokes his static IPv6 /48
03:02 <damian> pshsht ipv6
03:10 <damian> anyone can do that
03:15 <Halcyon> I have 2 IPv6 blocks sitting there doing nothing
03:19 <Ampera> losers
03:20 <damian> i have an ipv6 range around somewhere
03:23 * steve30 has a /48
03:32 <Ampera> yeah but I actually use it
03:35 <damian> i cant even remember who i get it with
03:36 <damian> hmm
03:41 <damian> can abb route ipv6?
03:47 <Halcyon> Yep
03:51 <damian> i used to do it on exetel but never looked into it for abb
03:51 <Halcyon> Have done for long time
04:30 <Halcyon> Most ISP support it, it's just hardly anyone uses it
04:35 <Halcyon> There isn't really a need (yet)
04:35 <damian> yeah
04:53 <damian> i was very surprised when i noticed that domestic telstra connections were all ipv6 enabled
04:54 <Halcyon> CGNAT suits the vast majority of consumers
04:59 <steve30> I rely on ipv6 for VoIP
05:00 <damian> and that was a good five years ago
05:15 <Halcyon> Telstra run IPv6 on cellular
05:20 <Halcyon> On top of CGNAT IPv4
05:25 <Halcyon> Not sure about the others
06:04 <coppice> steve30: you may use it for VoIP, but you don't rely on it. You could use IPV4
06:06 <Halcyon> Unless you're on an enterprise plan, you get public IPv4 on cell
07:08 <steve30> coppice, the VoIP setup is all Ipv6. If the IPv6 connectivity is lost, I get no VoIP. I *could* reconfigure it to use just v4, but then I'd have to deal with NAT.
07:12 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/841749387507531815/20210511_144823.jpg
07:35 <Halcyon> Meeeeeeat
07:38 <Halcyon> Nom
07:42 <Ampera> do you work tomorrow?
07:50 <Halcyon> Nope
08:01 <Halcyon> Also, this seems really fucking odd: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnc5PQTrC30
08:02 <Ampera> nice, memorial day weekends all around
08:14 <Ampera> what's odd about it
08:22 <coppice> steve30: NAT is trivial these days. It used to be a real PITA, but not now
09:10 <steve30> well, i couldn't make it work reliably
10:05 <Halcyon> I mean it looks pretty cool, but why
10:30 <coppice> steve30: what a STUNning failure
10:36 <Ampera> I wouldn't expect you to understand or care for art, Halcyon
10:40 <steve30> hehe
10:43 <Ampera> you need to have a soul and emotions for that
10:43 <Halcyon> I don't mind art
10:49 <Ampera> my point exactly
11:03 <Halcyon> ?
12:41 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zjwcs7Clnk
12:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Cat Breaks in to Dragon's Tank to Get Warm As Dragon Stare
12:43 <Halcyon> Bahahaha
15:29 <electrohead> lol
17:09 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyuL5biOQ94 This guy is a wizard
17:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Paradise - Coldplay (Fingerstyle Guitar)
18:12 * Halcyon fingerstyle's Ampera
18:32 <Ampera> sorry, people of above average intelligence only
18:50 <damian> thank you
18:51 <Halcyon> Oh then you're out... I'll have to find someone else
19:13 <Ampera> Don't worry, Halcyon, there's plenty of dumb people who would be happy to have you in this world
19:33 <Halcyon> Aussie dumb or American dumb? I'm not sure I could handle the latter.
19:44 <Ampera> Yeah that might be a bit smart for you.
19:49 <Ampera> We'll go with Aussie dumb
19:57 <Halcyon> On the contrary, I only have so much patience
21:01 <Ampera> Those who are less intelligent usually don't have much.
21:11 <Halcyon> Yes I know
21:22 <Halcyon> :P
22:18 <Ampera> Halcyon, this video might be more your speed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzLIUgnKY40
22:19 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: future gen. consels wii2 ps4 xbox720?
23:15 <Halcyon> You know me, I don't do games
23:22 <Halcyon> They are beneth me :P
23:34 <Halcyon> *beneath
23:49 <Ampera> somehow you can't even get the joke
23:50 <Ampera> impressive
24:01 <Halcyon> You'd have to make a joke first
24:05 <electrohead> LOL
24:06 <electrohead> burn.
24:27 <Halcyon> :P
24:28 <Ampera> Why would I have to, you're making them for me.
24:39 <Halcyon> You're the one who's American
24:43 <Halcyon> (No offence electrohead)
25:04 <Ampera> Cries of jealousy from a country which is just now getting the internet :P
25:22 <electrohead> and if I had the chance to move to aussie-land, I would
25:24 <Halcyon> You and I both know there is no jealousy here
25:24 <electrohead> :p
25:35 <Ampera> By no means on my end.
25:40 <Ampera> and I think I'd rather die than live in Australia
25:42 <Ampera> no joke
25:50 <damian> we would rather die than have you here
25:52 <damian> so it's fine
26:07 <Ampera> My visit is most definitely still in the works then.
26:12 <Halcyon> No, I suppose when you've grown up with crap wages, no healthcare, horrible roads, terrible law enforcement, corrupt governments etc... you wouldn't know any better would you? :P
26:18 <damian> i'm curious to know why you wouldn't live here though
26:33 <coppice> with >50% of all wildlife in .au carrying poisons I figure I'm not welcome there
26:52 <Halcyon> coppice, almost no one dies because of animals
26:53 <damian> the wildlife factor is only a factor if you live outside of the metro areas
27:05 <Halcyon> Even outside metro, it's not a thing
27:05 <Ampera> My wages have been fine, I have healthcare, the roads are horrible, I'm talking to the greatest example of Australia's terrible law enforcement, and your government is about as corrupt as ours
27:10 <Halcyon> I saw a snake once... that's it
27:14 <coppice> electrohead: if you really want to live in .au, what is stopping you?
27:26 <damian> GRR
27:29 <damian> https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/advisor/2015/06/26/deadliest-australian-animals/#:~:text=Kangaroos%3A%2018%20deaths.,Bees%3A%2016%20deaths.
27:30 <Halcyon> coppice: Rona
27:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
27:35 <damian> Kangaroos - 18 deaths a year
27:40 <damian> oh, this isn't a year
27:44 <Halcyon> Hehehehe
27:55 <Halcyon> Mmmm tasty meats
28:29 <damian> i don't really know politics at all, so i could be completely wrong .. but i don't think our government is as corrupt as yours
28:36 <coppice> if the bastards can't poison you, they just beat you up
28:39 <Ampera> you are completely wrong
28:42 <Ampera> all governments are corrupt
28:46 <damian> yours makes zero effort in trying to hide that they are on the side of big business, taking money in pocket
28:51 <damian> ours are just dickheads
28:54 <Halcyon> Oh Ampera, you poor thing
28:58 <Halcyon> Exactly damian
29:09 <damian> and i mean ... you HAVE healthcare, sure, but how much do you pay for it?
29:13 <Ampera> nothing
29:14 <electrohead> coppice: because of many things, main one would be I have a job offer, here where I live
29:15 <damian> through work?
29:19 <Halcyon> But some are not, we actually have it quite good, even with our current government
29:21 <Ampera> nope
29:22 <electrohead> plus, it'll take some money to get there
29:24 <damian> how do you get it?
29:30 <Ampera> on someone else's plan :P
29:31 <Halcyon> I just wish they'd roll out fibre quicker than they have been
29:38 <damian> haha, that doesn't count
29:45 <damian> is there an age expiry on it?
29:54 <Ampera> nope
29:56 <damian> i mean, it definitely counts .. that you have healthcare, but it doesn't count in comparison
29:56 <Halcyon> Well then, I honestly can't think of anything else I need?
30:10 <Halcyon> My taxes have been fairly low for a while, I do OK with money
30:11 <damian> gun laws, another reason in favour of australia
30:16 <Halcyon> \o/
30:21 <damian> tax thresholds, another reason in favour of australia
30:23 <Halcyon> Pew pew
30:42 <Ampera> tax thresholds?
30:47 <Ampera> you mean income based tax brackets?
30:48 <Halcyon> They could fuck off the luxury car tax but *shrug*
30:59 <damian> yeah. again, it might not directly affect you i guess, but it's better!
31:15 <coppice> Halcyon: there is suddenly a surge of grandiose fibre rollout plans in the UK, probably driven by the lockdowns. I wonder if they will actually go anywhere
31:15 <Ampera> but we have tax brackets...
31:25 <Ampera> and guns are quite hard to get in my state
31:28 <damian> you don't have a tax free threshold for low income earners
31:32 <Ampera> yes we do
31:36 <damian> since when?!
31:38 <Ampera> always
31:42 <Halcyon> coppice: I think this whole COVID thing has really highlighted world-wide the need for fast, reliable data
31:45 <damian> maybe it is different state to state?
31:50 <Ampera> nope, this is federal tax
32:02 <Ampera> many states also don't even have income tax
32:03 <damian> because i've talked to a few people who get taxed regardless of income
32:10 <damian> oh oh oh
32:11 <damian> TIPPING
32:14 <Halcyon> Regardless of tax brackets... we have deductions against income tax
32:21 <damian> you don't need to tip! it's so great. that's one of the worst things with america
32:26 <coppice> Halcyon: once everyone goes back to work they'll forget about it again
32:33 <Ampera> By law, tipped workers are supposed to be paid minimum wage if they have not made up their salary in tips
32:36 <Halcyon> Whilst I might earn say $120k in a year, I can usually wipe about $20k of that in deductions
32:39 <damian> i mean, i only went to *wealthy* places, but the food was so much more expensive .. then they expected to be tipped on top of it
32:50 <Ampera> Tipping is, however, dumb.
33:03 <Ampera> that being said, Australia ain't exactly cheap
33:09 <Ampera> particularly your housing
33:20 <coppice> is tipping in a steak house what they call cow tipping?
33:30 <Ampera> You're not New Zealand bad, but you're far worse than us
33:35 <damian> yeah, housing isn't cheap, but again it depends on where you are
33:38 <Halcyon> And adding tax at the checkout
33:41 <Halcyon> I don't get that
33:58 <Ampera> It's up to the business. Included tax is allowed, and occasionally practiced here
34:00 <damian> my brother just purchased a 1000sqm property with a four bedroom house for $50k about an hour from the city
34:06 <Ampera> the reason businesses do it is so they can advertise lower prices
34:12 <damian> in my area, that's at least 700k
34:14 <Halcyon> No matter where you go, the shelf price is the price you pay
34:17 <Ampera> 50k?
34:17 <Halcyon> There are no exceptions
34:19 <Ampera> now that is impressive
34:24 <Ampera> who were the people selling it trying to spite :P
34:43 <damian> haha no one, it's just the area. it's a country town .. and it's in one of the smaller states
34:54 <damian> when it's not a booming location, things are cheep cheep
34:57 <Halcyon> Granted Sydney is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live
35:01 <Ampera> I mean, you can also get perfectly decent houses in places where if you walk outside you will die
35:05 <Halcyon> But you get what you pay for (kind of)
35:15 <Halcyon> I don't really like the city life, which is why I live in the bush
35:16 <Ampera> or places so far away from society you have to drive an hour both ways to get food
35:23 <damian> comparison. my first house was $400k for 250sqm 3bedroom. my second house was $690k for 200sqm 3bedroom
35:36 <damian> one around 15mins from the city centre, one about 45mins
35:53 <Ampera> My house is (I have no idea the sq ft.) four bedroom, three stories plus basement, and was bought for 80k
35:55 <damian> even if you lived in civic, you still wouldn't live in a city Halcyon.... :P
36:10 <Halcyon> Hah true
36:22 <damian> how long ago was it purchased?
36:30 <Halcyon> I can't stand Canberra drivers though
36:34 <Ampera> 10 years, reappraised last year at 120k
36:42 <damian> yeah that's rpetty good
36:44 <damian> what area are you?
36:51 <Ampera> Capitol Region, NY
37:00 <Ampera> state capitol is a short drive from me
37:07 <electrohead> time to get going to work
37:12 <electrohead> I'll be around later on, I think
37:13 <electrohead> o/
37:36 <Halcyon> Laters
38:00 <damian> ah yeah, not a bad area
38:02 <damian> how old is the house?
38:08 <Ampera> 100 years
38:13 <damian> dayummmmmmmmmmm son
38:19 <Ampera> normal for the area
38:25 <Ampera> most houses are 80-120 years old here
38:29 <damian> this house is 20 years old .. and that's about 20 years too old for my liking haha
38:41 <Ampera> lol, that's picky if I ever heard it
38:59 <Ampera> built in the 70's or 80's is considered new here
39:02 <Halcyon> I like new things
39:07 <Halcyon> My house is about 5 years old
39:21 <Ampera> and tiny
39:41 <damian> yeah, our last house we built and were in there for five years .. this house was built in 2000 and we moved in last year
39:41 <Ampera> and has no basement
39:47 <damian> and this is so olldddd
39:50 <Halcyon> My house alone is over 300 sq.M
39:59 <damian> to be fair though, it was built old .. like the style of the house was made to look old
40:03 <Halcyon> The land is 2200 sq.m
40:06 <damian> and i dont like it
40:25 <Ampera> 1930 sq ft
40:30 <Ampera> so about twice that
40:51 <Ampera> you do have more land than us, the lot is 3941 sq ft
41:01 <Ampera> but we live in suburbs, that's just how it is
45:42 <Halcyon> I love the movie The 'Burbs
45:46 <Halcyon> One of my favourites
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