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38:11 * Ysjoelfir pokes Lemon again
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41:56 * T3sl4 pokes Ysjoelfir with a sausage
42:50 <Ysjoelfir> thats floppy
47:57 <Ampera> that means he's not interested in you
52:19 <Ampera> you know it's a boring day at work when you're reading the wikipedia page on buckets
55:30 <Ysjoelfir> you surely learned a lot?
57:18 <Ampera> about buckets?
57:18 <Ampera> yes
57:21 <Ampera> leather, metal, wood
57:27 <T3sl4> you learned...buckets, you might say
57:34 <Ampera> before then I was reading about barrels, which led me to buckets
59:56 <T3sl4> ooh, barrels
00:01 <T3sl4> barrels are nice, you can stuff a person inside one
00:06 <K> one man's barel is another man's bucket
00:32 <T3sl4> or even several monkeys
00:44 <Ysjoelfir> That reminds me of the day where I was searching for meringue on wiki and ended up at stick grenade
01:08 <Ampera> T3sl4, or even a monkey
01:12 <Ampera> or multiple monkies
01:35 * T3sl4 DOOM2 MAP23s Ampera
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02:58 <T3sl4> steve30: https://imgur.com/gallery/paZJsoP
02:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - STOP SLURPING WHEN YOU EAT - Album on Imgur
05:27 <K> monkeks
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45:46 <flyback> https://www.taswegian.com/NBTV/forum/
45:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - Narrow-Bandwidth Television Association • Index page
53:26 <Kuschelpony> aah more people into mechanical tv :)
53:50 <Ampera> I enjoy SS and low bandwidth TV
54:05 <Ampera> just don't have the will to spend money into toying with it at the moment
54:38 <Kuschelpony> nice hobby, for a while i also tried it but became disinterested as there was no receivalble transmissions on shortwave
54:58 <Kuschelpony> the most interesting thing was 405alive
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20:17 <Reg7805> hello everyone
20:29 <Kuschelpony> Hello 5V
20:59 <Reg7805> how yous doing?
21:14 <Ysjoelfir> hey µA7805
21:22 <Ampera> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/vulnerability-in-vmware-product-has-severity-rating-of-9-8-out-of-10/
21:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Vulnerability in VMware product has severity rating of 9.8 out of 10 | Ars Technica
21:36 <Ampera> Fun day for anyone who deals with vSphere
21:55 <Reg7805> i work with proxmox
22:16 <Ysjoelfir> whoops Ampera :D
22:20 <Reg7805> 9.8 vulnerability
22:23 <Reg7805> wow
22:30 <Ampera> My servers run on bhyve, my desktop VMs are QEMU/KVM
23:06 <Ampera> the number is just a number, it's apparently RCE possible by any arbitrary person to a public facing web interface, to a degree that would allow complete control of the management interface and all VMs on it
24:19 <Ysjoelfir> ctrl + a, del
24:22 <Reg7805> that is bad, but you wouldnt want to have public facing interface anyway
25:03 <Reg7805> im bussy degoogleing my life
25:49 <Reg7805> delete everything manual
26:06 <Ampera> The intent of the interface, as I understand it, is for it to be public facing
26:34 <Ampera> I'm not at the datacenter/office is not a great excuse for not being able to fix a big problem, thus remote access over the web
26:49 <Ampera> which is fine so long as you have QA not done by monkeys
27:33 <Ampera> I'm not highly familiar with vCenter, I've only used it a few times, so implementations may be different, including another layer in front of the web panel
28:35 <Ampera> My management is done over secure shell, and for my servers, I have no graphical management for VMs, so whoever wants to cause harm has to figure out FreeBSD and bhyve, after breaking into ssh
29:49 <Reg7805> im sure you use ssh keygen, which make it imposible some one to get from the outside
30:15 <Ampera> that's a strange way to say private key auth
30:31 <Ampera> which does not make it impossible to get in from the outside, that defeats the purpose of ssh :P
31:18 <Reg7805> well of curse, you now what i mean
31:58 <Ampera> I do?
32:30 <Reg7805> well just menat that some without ssh private key is not getting in
32:49 <Ampera> what makes you sure about that?
33:59 <Reg7805> as long there is no other vunrabilities and supercomputer
34:25 <Ampera> what makes you sure about that?
35:41 <Reg7805> just reseach i have done
36:07 <Reg7805> im not saying im write
36:19 <Ampera> are you saying you're read?
37:01 <Reg7805> yes, sorry for bad english
37:11 <Ampera> you're welcome
38:31 <Reg7805> do you know where to get banking apps apks without googleplay store?
39:04 <Reg7805> without usisng apk mirror websites
39:29 <Ampera> banking?
40:19 <Reg7805> hsbc
40:48 <Ampera> only workaround is to own an iPhone and get it off the Apple app store
42:29 <Reg7805> sad to see that apps are dependent app stores like google play
43:24 <Reg7805> i think i just have minimal install of google crap on phone
44:57 <Reg7805> what do you think?
45:48 <Ampera> of?
48:45 <Reg7805> of usisng minimal install of google requiements
50:39 <Ampera> While I have been trying to de-google, I don't hardline it
50:53 <Ampera> I work in mobile QA, so I need to use google services no matter what
51:31 <Ampera> and phones are so closed to the point some are barely computers anymore, that I feel there's basically nothing you can do besides just not using phones
53:53 <Reg7805> well, im trying my best de-google and building my own rom for my phone,
54:32 <Reg7805> but seems to be i will be using little bit, which is okey i think
55:23 <Reg7805> and my language and writing skills are terrible
55:52 <Reg7805> i dont make anyy sense when typing online
03:03 <Lord_of_nothing_> hey everyone
05:43 <Lord_of_nothing_> Test
07:37 <Ysjoelfir> works
20:30 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder, has someone seen a... comparison list of communication protocolls/methods for inter-MCU communication? like... I dunno, SPI, UART, PCIe, CAN, whatnot, in terms of max speed, ease of implementation and so on?
23:35 <DHess_US> wikipedia has a list of speeds
23:45 <Ysjoelfir> do you have a link?
24:00 <Ysjoelfir> i looked for it, but didn't find such a list before
24:18 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_interface_bit_rates
24:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - List of interface bit rates - Wikipedia
24:27 <Ysjoelfir> perfect, thanks
24:40 <DHess_US> UART is the easiest
24:53 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, but probably a bit slow for what I want to do
25:23 <DHess_US> There is no real limit but available devices top out at about 1 Mb/s
25:41 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
27:38 <Ysjoelfir> I want to transfer ADC values with 10MS/s of 4 ADCs to a main controller, probably an FPGA or an ARM, so UART is probably not in the game ;)
28:12 <DHess_US> transfer from what?
28:40 <Ysjoelfir> from the ADCs.
28:41 <DHess_US> The ADCs will have their own interface and you will be stuck with that.
28:50 <DHess_US> ADCs don't use UART anymore.
29:28 <DHess_US> Usually they will use some sort of synchronous interface similar to SPI, but there is a more modern replacement for exactly that application.
30:27 <Ysjoelfir> I know. I will add a second ARM/MCU/FPGA/Whatnot for every group of two ADCs, which will than communicate with the main chip. and I wonder what interface between those I should choose.
34:44 <Lord_of_nothing_> test test test
34:51 <Ysjoelfir> still works
35:47 <Kuschelpony> yes i see all
43:56 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: how far away is the main chip? 10M x (say) 16 bits x 2 is starting to get a bit high for common simple techniques, like cranking up an SPI, unless things are very close together
45:05 <Ysjoelfir> roughly 250 meters. :) no, I would say... if I do the layout good maybe like 10 centimeters.
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46:22 <Ysjoelfir_> meh! stupid disconnect. if that didn;t come through coppice:
46:23 <Ysjoelfir_> roughly 250 meters. :) no, I would say... if I do the layout good maybe like 10 centimeters.
48:30 <DHess_US> 10 centimeters at 10 MHz is trivial. It is trivial even at 100 MHz.
48:59 <coppice> if its all on one well laid out board, with a decent ground plane, just crank up an SPI
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49:13 <DHess_US> Or QSPI
49:29 <DHess_US> But they have a standard for that sort of thing.
49:29 <Ysjoelfir> no, it will be on 2 boards. so there will be some sort of connector in between those
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49:47 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i remember tube VHF tuners that did 200Mhz without a PCB at all, just careful placed wires
50:04 <Ysjoelfir> I remember those as well :)
50:50 <Kuschelpony> at UHF then everything got more complicated as they used stripline resonators, but VHF was till almost notmal wired
51:02 <Kuschelpony> maybe one day i start restorasting the Grundig
51:16 <coppice> UHF TV tuners used to be built without a PCB
51:32 <coppice> we used to build stuff to run at 2.4GHz without a PCB
56:39 <Kuschelpony> thats past what i had in my service technican hands
57:11 <Kuschelpony> just television stuff, and admiring what our grandfathers had for clever tricks and deep calculations to make it work so well
06:11 <DHess_US> https://www.eetimes.com/how-to-interface-fpgas-to-microcontrollers/
06:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - How to interface FPGAs to microcontrollers | EE Times
21:27 <T3sl4> UHF+ point-to-point construction is plumbing, not soldering
21:44 <T3sl4> i mean, that still uses soldering, but electrical assembly that is
23:50 <Kuschelpony> right
24:10 <Kuschelpony> and today we use striplines
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10:10 <Lord_of_nothing_> How does everyone here feel?
11:58 <DHess_US> Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.
13:04 <T3sl4> hmmm
13:08 <T3sl4> with my hands, generally.
40:44 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, same here. its the good ol' grabbers
52:40 * T3sl4 grabbers Ysjoelfir grabbingly
53:05 <Ysjoelfir> :O
17:27 <coppice> DHess_US: Driven before you? No. Make them walk behind
27:56 <T3sl4> coppice: then the lazy salt-pillars always fall behind
29:53 <coppice> coppice: does that happen a Lot?
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32:31 <alfbaz> hi
37:49 * T3sl4 noogies alfbaz
43:20 <alfbaz> hey T3sl4
51:22 <DHess_US> America! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuks5kAPV1A&t=20s
51:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 3000 Hp Diesel Truck Engine Blows Up on Dyno
51:31 <DHess_US> https://jalopnik.com/pistons-rain-from-the-sky-after-cummins-dodge-ram-explo-1846973432
51:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - Pistons Rain From The Sky After Cummins Ram Explodes On A Dyno
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06:06 <T3sl4> that's a fair amount of pressure
10:32 <DHess_US> Lol, thought it was thundering outside. It was wind noise from a vblog I was watching through my subwoofer.
12:18 <T3sl4> subwoofers are generally not very transparent
14:04 <DHess_US> My old one would have thunking noises, but this one is really really good.
14:33 <DHess_US> Critical dampening for the win!
15:21 <DHess_US> Since when tuned properly the distortion is lower, it doesn't sound "boomy" from intermodulation distortion.
15:57 <T3sl4> helps
16:23 <DHess_US> I know that is the style most people like, but I hate it. I would much rather the woofer rattle the windows without sounding loud.
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27:07 <arch> what's an inexpensive 1 cell lipo/ion charge IC that is switched mode?
27:21 <arch> need something that can charge at 2A or higher
31:48 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/nlg4m8/this_beer_i_had_in_berlin_says_no_beer_for_nazis/ nice
31:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
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36:36 <alfbaz> arch, what do you call inexpensive? I've used an LT3650 before with great success, it's progamable to 2A but costs 7 bucks
36:39 <alfbaz> us
36:41 <alfbaz> US
37:13 <Ampera> US
37:15 <Ampera> us
37:15 <arch> yeaaa, by inexpensive i mean $3 or lower lol
37:35 <arch> U.S.
37:40 <Ampera> Uncle Sam
37:47 <arch> U.U
37:50 <arch> UwU
37:52 <Ampera> OwO
38:16 <arch> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/152/407/523.jpg
38:19 <alfbaz> T3sl4, the label says kein, I though no in German wa nein
38:24 <alfbaz> *was
38:38 <arch> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rrD3jp34BFg/hqdefault.jpg
38:49 <Ampera> arch, you have no authority here, I will UwU until I fucking puke
39:33 <T3sl4> owo what's this? *nuzzles arch*
39:44 <electrohead> o/
40:10 <Ampera> FreeBSD has ditched freenode
40:26 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
40:32 <T3sl4> alfbaz: i saw that in the comments, "kein" more like "none" i guess
40:33 <Ampera> how are you doing electroned?
41:00 <T3sl4> is that two syllables or three
41:01 * Ampera mobius strips for T3sl4 
41:11 <electrohead> I'm alright, exhausted as hell from work, today
41:13 <electrohead> you?
41:17 <T3sl4> ohh, an endless show
41:25 <Ampera> T3sl4, with a twist at every end
41:31 * T3sl4 beers electrohead, stat
41:47 <Ampera> electrohead, doing some casual reading of postfix and dovecot documentation
41:50 <Ampera> deciding how I want to do things
41:59 <electrohead> I have a hazy wonder sitting right in front of me, T3sl4 :)
42:03 <electrohead> Ampera: fun fun
42:11 * alfbaz massages electrohead's worn wrists
42:19 <Ampera> lots of auth methods, but I think I'd like plaintext over TLS mixed with client certs
42:38 <Ampera> just need to figure out how to implement that in both situations
42:58 <electrohead> alfbaz: my wrists? lol, we had six pallets of stock come in today, and was only me and my boss
43:12 <electrohead> plus I had to start the software config for the new POS
43:14 <electrohead> yay.
43:39 <Ampera> I need to find a good email client to use, however.
43:44 <electrohead> mutt?
43:50 <electrohead> i love it for the simplicity
43:51 <Ampera> preferably a graphical one
43:58 <Ampera> and if I were to go with a TUI option I'd go alpine
44:04 <electrohead> thunderbird?
44:11 <electrohead> if that's the right one, I'm thinking about
44:13 <Ampera> was just about to say thunderbird is the big reeking ape of the world
44:18 <Ampera> but I've tried it and honestly hate it
44:21 <Ampera> it looks like shit
44:21 <electrohead> lol
44:35 <Ampera> has the overly soft, cushy rounded GTK look that's just irritating
44:44 <Ampera> GNUMail and Sylpheed are on my mind at the moment
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47:11 <Ampera> GNUMail would be ideal because, you know, windowmaker, but I don't know what its featureset it like
49:08 <electrohead> I haven't heard of it until now :p
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53:12 <newbie> Hello all
53:49 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) EOF from client
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54:07 <Ampera> who is all?
54:10 <Ampera> there's nobody named all here
54:16 <Ampera> and I've never seen someone by that name here either
54:20 <Ampera> you must have the wrong channel
54:22 <newbie> lol
55:35 <newbie> would it be possible to remove the electret microphone from the following module and connect a direct line level audio signal to it? : https://www.ebay.com/itm/254195982835
55:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - arduino KY-038 Voice switch corridor module sound sensor detector A19 | eBay
58:39 <newbie> or will that damage the module?
59:17 <electrohead> technically you could, just make sure you limit the voltage(s) (if need be)
59:35 <Halcyon> Morninnnng
59:48 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
59:51 * electrohead gropes Halcyon and runs
00:01 * T3sl4 grapes electrohead 
00:15 * electrohead has gripes about T3sl4
01:36 <Halcyon> I feel all the love
01:46 <Halcyon> Where's Ampera, he's usually here to spit at me
01:52 <Ampera> fucker
01:58 <Ampera> specifically of the mother variety
02:00 <Ampera> how are you doing, Halcyon
02:01 <Halcyon> There he is :P
02:19 <electrohead> lol
02:23 <Halcyon> I'm doing good. Woke up this morning and could actually breathe for a change.
03:10 <Ampera> I'm presently scouting out a good email client
03:15 <Ampera> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claws_Mail
03:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Claws Mail - Wikipedia
03:17 <Ampera> This looks nice
03:38 <alfbaz> good morning Halcyon
03:56 <newbie> electrohead I found the following circuit which uses a voltage divider as follows: https://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/29564/circuit-to-convert-line-level-to-mic-level
03:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - impedance - Circuit to Convert Line Level to Mic Level - Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange
04:19 <newbie> how are the particular resistors values selected? and can one simply measure the resistance of the electret microphone with a multimeter?
04:27 <Halcyon> Hey alfbaz
04:33 <DHess_US> newbie, I have done exactly that for driving microphone inputs on transmitters. It works fine.
04:52 <Ampera> It looks like a fork of Sylpheed, which I very much like, but wish had a couple more features
04:54 <DHess_US> newbie, no, the resistors are selected to achieve the proper attenuation.
04:55 <Halcyon> Ampera: I'm torn between a mail client and the Google web client
05:01 <Ampera> it's also a news reader if I ever wish to pick up usenet again
05:24 <Ampera> checked it out real quick, and it seems to support TLS client certs, which is how I intend to primarily secure my email server
05:57 <electrohead> newbie: looking at the schematic for that board - https://i.stack.imgur.com/wJid2.png - you should have no problem with doing that
06:10 <Ampera> just need to find a client for Android at some point, and them implement my email setup
07:07 <Ampera> Halcyon, want to do a call?
07:24 <Halcyon> Yeh I'm just getting ready to go out, I'll call you in 5
07:28 <Ampera> alright
08:33 <newbie> Thanks electrohead and DHess_US -- I plan to remove the mic and take the audio output directly from this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/310795359575 and input it to the sound detector so I can monitor the off air broadcast of a particular frequency to monitor if the station broadcasts dead air
08:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - TEA5767 FM Stereo Radio Module for Arduino 76-108MHZ With Free Cable Antenna | eBay
09:05 <alfbaz> We had a lunar eclipse here last night
09:52 <electrohead> heh, I have a few of those in a bin, somewhere
10:24 <electrohead> also have a few of the KY-038's as well, somewhere
10:27 <alfbaz> lol, we had ours for desert
11:57 <newbie> its funny I stocked up on all sorts of modules I never needed at the time thinking that they may be useful for future projects and it just happens that the ones I need I've never ordered
12:05 * alfbaz slaps his forhead when he realises he wasn't been spoke too
17:09 <newbie> is there any common recommended 3G or 4G module with breakout board that has tx/rx outputs and is commonly used? The ones I see are based on the SIM7000A or SIM7000E
17:53 * T3sl4 puts alfbaz in a bin (the looney kind)
23:41 * alfbaz feels strangely at home in his new bin
23:50 * electrohead films alfbaz in his new bin
23:58 <electrohead> now the experiments can begin.
24:06 * electrohead breaks out the nipple clamps
24:07 <alfbaz> were's my lotion
24:28 * electrohead tosses alfbaz an 'h' before giving him lotion
25:16 <alfbaz> Hay any of you watched Ragnanarok the Norwegian series?
25:30 <alfbaz> 2nd season is comming out :D
26:02 <alfbaz> That's Ragnarok
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29:31 <rc_tennis> and mornings again
32:25 * T3sl4 sips rc's cola
37:17 <electrohead> it's storming like a bitch, here
37:18 <electrohead> :/
37:28 <electrohead> hoping my power doesn't go out >.<
38:19 <rc_tennis> aaaa nice
39:03 <electrohead> https://www.lofifuture.com/gbs8100-diy-video-synth-project
39:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
40:49 <rc_tennis> that is weird
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46:57 <DHess_US> newbie, there is one caveat with that circuit; it is very sensitive to ground noise.
47:22 <DHess_US> To fix that, place the shunt resistance at the microphone input rather than the source.
48:10 <DHess_US> If you have like a 3.5mm or 1/4" jack input, put the shunt resistor, or both resistors, inside the plug housing.
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53:59 <newbie> DHess_US -- thank you. I was also considering a module based on this one: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12642
54:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - SparkFun Sound Detector - SEN-12642 - SparkFun Electronics
55:14 <newbie> DHess_US what will the shunt resistor do to the noise?
56:32 <DHess_US> The point is that if any current flows through the ground connection, then it makes a voltage across the ground wire from the audio output to the mic input.
56:57 <DHess_US> If the shunt resistor is at the audio output, then this ground noise is in series with the mic input.
57:14 <DHess_US> If the shunt resistor is moved to the microphone input, then it subtracts that noise.
59:55 <newbie> so if I remove the microphone, and replace it with the previous circuit : https://i.stack.imgur.com/CZzHz.gif -- to accept a line level input -- I also need to add an additional resistor as well?
04:02 <DHess_US> No, it needs the two resistors as shown. But place the shunt resistor *at* the microphone jack.
05:01 <newbie> I was going to put those two resistors at the microphone jack after I remove the mic ...
06:42 <newbie> I am not sure where the shunt resistor would go ...
07:35 <DHess_US> The shunt resistor is the resistor in parallel with the microphone input.
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12:55 <newbie> maybe its the diagram that I linked which is worded incorrectly. It says "line in" and "mic out" whereas the way I see it it would be "line out" (coming from the FM module) to "mic in" (going to the sound detector module).
13:59 <newbie> wouldn't R2 in this case be considered the shunt resistor? It would be in parallel to the microphone input
19:29 <DHess_US> yes
21:44 <newbie> so in this case no other resistors are needed other than R1 and R2? at the microphone input?
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24:06 <Halcyon> Back
25:20 <electrohead> Front
25:37 <Halcyon> :D
25:52 <Halcyon> T3sl4's package is all packed, just got to do yours now
26:56 <electrohead> sounds sexy, lol
28:03 <Halcyon> Hehe :P
28:08 <Halcyon> Yours has more meat
28:13 * T3sl4 notices bulge
28:16 <T3sl4> erm, package*
28:22 <T3sl4> erm, in two months ish*
28:55 <electrohead> lol
29:04 Mode: (by electrohead) -o electrohead
29:27 <T3sl4> Halcyon: i made my cheezy mac again
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36:42 <Halcyon> I did yours the other day with a very chilli spank
37:07 <Halcyon> 2 months T3sl4 ?
37:26 <T3sl4> ah
37:40 <T3sl4> or a few days, idunno how fast you're sending it :P
37:52 <Halcyon> I think most packages arrive inside 1 week
38:03 <Halcyon> I probably won't get to post it until the weekend
39:03 <steve30> hi
39:57 <Halcyon> Heya Steve
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43:01 * steve30 watches teardown thursday
43:12 <Halcyon> Oooh there's a new one?
43:34 <steve30> BlackMagic ATEM Mini Extreme ISO TEARDOWN
44:07 <steve30> I usually mention what day it is as I kinda miss the consistency of the old mailbag monday & teardown tuesday :)
59:23 <Halcyon> I love Blackmagic gear
59:31 <Halcyon> It's really nice, I've used quite a bit of it in the past
02:54 * steve30 has a canon camcorder in pieces on his desk
03:03 <Halcyon> What are you doing with it?
03:03 <steve30> i've got to try and figure out how to get it back together
03:32 <steve30> i replaced the tape drive
04:12 <T3sl4> whoof... https://i.imgur.com/5SRhe45.jpg
04:33 <Halcyon> Mmmmm corndog
10:17 <DHess_US> <newbie> so in this case no other resistors are needed other than R1 and R2? at the microphone input?
10:18 <DHess_US> correct
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03:36 <rust_collector> hoi first Ampera1
05:49 <alfbaz> no, Ampera0 wis the first with trailing blanking :P
07:28 <rust_collector> oh
10:37 <rust_collector> how is the shed doing?
10:50 <rust_collector> or ex-garage, or what it was
21:02 * Halcyon prods alfbaz 
22:33 <alfbaz> oh yeah, still plastering :c
23:03 <alfbaz> There's another thing I'm not very good at :P
24:26 <alfbaz> Watching a guy on youtube do a whole room whilst explain stuff, not a drop on him or his hands
24:52 <alfbaz> I do a single corner and I've got the shit in places I didn't know existed
26:49 <alfbaz> Halcyon, I don't know if you remember me telling you I was doing an overtime shift last Monday but I drove to work and here's the guy I was covering. What are you doing here, I asked
27:33 <alfbaz> It's next Monday night... daoop there's an hour of my life I'll never get back
28:24 <rust_collector> eeh, that was pretty close
29:08 <Halcyon> Oops
29:41 <rust_collector> at least you got there on a monday
30:23 * steve30 coffees
30:27 <alfbaz> It was a night shift so I was miserable the whole day. That'l teach me
30:42 <alfbaz> steve30, yes please
34:28 <rust_collector> these mornings really suck.
35:42 <steve30> i need to go and do grandma's garden this morning since i didn't go yesterday due to the rain
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38:18 <Halcyon> It's coming along nicely.
40:32 <alfbaz> 520 bucks for 4 600x1200 led panel lights !!!
40:41 <Halcyon> Is that good?
58:11 <alfbaz> I think it's a bit rich
05:19 <alfbaz> 6600 lumens per light so 4 of them in 4x4m space should help my shit eyes
38:08 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOvpIK_kSA
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10:40 <Lemon> hi peeps
11:10 <rust_collector> hello person
21:09 <rust_collector> Lemon did you use... was it an agilent program for your gpib things?
21:34 <Lemon> sort off yes, the keysight IO suite
21:48 <Lemon> and pyvisa
22:17 <rust_collector> oh, ok. have you tried sigrok for that?
23:26 <Lemon> nope never, someone told me about but I never tried
26:54 <rust_collector> right. I remember trying it for some device, not gpib, but I can not remember what it was. but people seems to use it for all kinds of stuff
27:07 <Lord_of_nothing_> I feel so sleepy
29:23 <Lemon> seems sigrok is mostly for logic analyzers no ?
31:27 <rust_collector> I see it supports at least some bench meters, scopes and so on. i am not sure how well it supports all the things...
31:32 <rust_collector> https://sigrok.org/wiki/Category:Device
31:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Category:Device - sigrok
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32:27 <rust_collector> whoops, hello mr operator
35:41 * Erhard grumbles
42:07 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
42:34 <rust_collector> all the mornings
42:41 <Ysjoelfir> yez!
59:28 <K> hello pipes
00:07 <rust_collector> |
00:28 <Ysjoelfir> ¦
03:14 * steve30 hisses at some pesky flat flexes
06:12 <Lemon> hi !
06:55 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
22:09 <Lemon> hmmm so I read about isolation transformers for USB, and some people said it might be good to use with a logic analyzer, to reduce noise and protect it
22:23 <Ysjoelfir> that is true
22:39 <Lemon> but I find many different types of isolators
22:49 <Lemon> with different prices, ofc
23:24 <Lemon> how much cost a usb 3.0 isolator ? if you have any idea
25:35 <Lemon> or I guess, I could also use a big one directly plugged to mains, with my computer plugged on it
28:01 <rust_collector> I guess that would do the protection part, but maybe not the noise reduction part?
28:20 <K> proper usb3.0 isolatir is expensive
28:37 <Lemon> yes rusty thats also what I thought
28:49 <Lemon> and yeah K looking at those prices, I'd rather save for a big mains one
28:56 <Lemon> and protect all my devices at once
29:06 <Lemon> but it wont reduce the noise, usb wise
29:29 <K> hm what do you mean "noise usb wise"?
30:17 <rust_collector> but... i guess you would be looking at digital signals, so I think noise is not as problematic as on analog things, unless you have some BIG noises.
30:19 <Lemon> well those usb isolators tend to reduce noise, coming from usb, when you use for example a logic analyzer on your computer
30:31 <Lemon> thats also true yes
30:41 <Lemon> its mostly for protection
31:04 <rust_collector> I would say that is the most important part
31:53 <Lemon> yeah I dont want to blow my toys
33:00 <Ysjoelfir> its more like... protecting your computer
33:37 <Lemon> yeah I count it as a big toy too :>
34:06 <Lemon> well the dslogic I bought is protected to a certain extent
35:16 <Lemon> I mean, I will use the LA with low voltage stuff
35:46 <Lemon> yesterday, looking at a few videos about logic analyzers, a guy was using a logic probe
35:53 <Lemon> its quite a cool thing
36:54 <K> i would not stress the isolation part
37:47 <Lemon> well a guy said, with a usb hub (that is powered via its own power supply) might already be good
37:56 <Lemon> as it will fry before the computer, if anything happens
38:04 <Lemon> and thats what im using
38:48 <K> yes, that should be sufficient
39:09 <K> and it is not like you are going to do high voltage
39:16 <K> i wouldn't
39:33 <Lemon> yes t rue
39:37 <Ysjoelfir> there is not that much high voltage logic around, is it?
39:51 <Lemon> I guess later I will save for a big mains isolation transformer, for my scopes, and other thingies
39:58 <Lemon> but yes the LA will be fine without as you said
40:26 <rust_collector> as long as it is not some low voltage signal in some device with ground at 200v.
40:46 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
41:01 <Lemon> nah I guess I'll use it mainly on stuff powered via usb, or via my supplies
41:05 <Lemon> should be fine right ?
41:09 <rust_collector> yep
41:11 <Ysjoelfir> yez
41:29 <Lemon> good good
41:44 <Lemon> I bought the dslogic plus and 2x10 clips yesterday
42:00 <Lemon> because everybody is saying that the provided clips are trash, and they certainly look like trash
42:21 <Lemon> they are super big so not really good to probe smaller ics, and I dont want to buy expensive soic clips
42:25 <rust_collector> I think you would figure out that the thing you are working on is "special" and needs research.. so you will be ok
42:35 <Lemon> 3m or pomona sell them, 15-30 euros a piece, no thanks
43:18 <Lemon> yeah I will take great care, as always
43:44 <Lemon> also, the guy with the philips analog meter is pushing me, he offered me a nice price of 40 euros delivered, with 2 probes
44:35 <rust_collector> hmmm? analog philips? a multimeter?
45:36 <rust_collector> or whatever you call analog meters
45:36 <Lemon> https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/philips_electronic_va_meter_pm_2504.html
45:38 <Lemon> this one
46:46 <Ysjoelfir> thats a philips, so meh :P
47:35 <rust_collector> delivered... well... that is not bad. otoh, if philips is bad.... that is a different thing. it is a very meter looking meter
48:36 <Lemon> well from what I saw on various forums, its a nice meter, I wanted a bench one for when I need to adjust stuff or look at variations, its always useful, the ones I have need to be used flat which isnt practical
48:51 <Lemon> and its a FET meter, so 10Mohm input impedance, which is nice
50:23 <Lemon> it can be powered via 6x1.5v batteries or a 9v dc adapter, that I'll need to make
50:31 <rust_collector> yeah, analog meters are sort of nice that way. I tend to use the shitty power supply as a voltmeter, for changing voltages.
50:59 <Lemon> its practical yeah
51:21 <Lemon> this one got tons of ranges, which is also nice, and can read DCI/ACI
51:26 <Lemon> most of mine only do ACI
51:47 <rust_collector> I wonder about that ref 1v thing on the back. is that to "zero" it to 1v, like the test thing on scopes, or do you hook up an external reference?
52:26 <Lemon> yeah I just saw that, im also curious
54:17 <Lemon> im always scared about delivery, as those things are fragile
54:29 <Lemon> its better with inputs shorted but still
54:36 <Lemon> shame theres no binding posts on that one tho
54:59 <rust_collector> it has some serious ones on the back
56:02 <Lemon> yeah it got a 31.6 amp range
56:37 <rust_collector> just to find a nice even number
03:18 <Lemon> and that 1V input is to calibrate it, you short it with the ohm one, and adjust it on the 1V range
03:20 <Lemon> strange
05:40 <Ysjoelfir> *to adjust it
05:55 <Ysjoelfir> remember, adjusting != calibrating :D
06:07 <Lemon> yesyes sorry, they said calibrating on the manual lol
06:30 <Ysjoelfir> see, I knew philips engineers are idiots :P
07:51 <Lemon> heh maybe maybe, well tbh tons of brands use "calibrating" instead of adjusting, even good ones x)
08:16 <rust_collector> I think I agree with philips and le-mon. imo calibrating needs adjusting, if it is not what it should be
09:21 <Lemon> yeah calibrating makes more sense, adjusting should be a synonym
09:29 <Lemon> and if you want a check, well, then call it a check :>
09:38 <rust_collector> maybe i should start saying that I calibrate the valves on engines I put together. Nono, I did not adjust them, I just measured all of them, and put it on paper
09:59 <Ysjoelfir> thats not wrong, rusty. but it is technically not the same. and I would turn your sentence around: You can calibrate without adjusting. but you can't adjust something without having it calibrated before.
10:14 <rust_collector> sure
10:44 <K> you can adjust and fuck it up even more
10:50 <rust_collector> but... some things are useless if they are "calibrated"
11:16 <K> imma just turn this lefty a bit, itll make everything more better
11:17 <Ysjoelfir> and that procedure you just described is actually pretty common in metrology :) often its enough to know the calibration of a device, you don't NEED to adjust them. but yes, in many (most?) other fields its just of no use.
12:00 <rust_collector> right. I have nothing against weird values, but yeah....
12:22 <rust_collector> well, not much
12:29 <Lemon> https://www.ianjohnston.com/index.php/onlineshop/handheld-precision-digital-voltage-source-2-mini-detail its a neat device
12:32 <EEVBot> [Title] - Electronics : Handheld Precision Digital Voltage Source - PDVS2mini 20bit
13:42 <rust_collector> uhmmm
14:00 <Ysjoelfir> cute
14:02 <Ysjoelfir> but expensive
14:30 <Lemon> well thats also what I thought
14:39 <Lemon> but after all, it got a superb accuracy
15:16 <Ysjoelfir> does it?
15:34 <Lemon> 0.0005%
15:41 <Lemon> well, typical at 10V
15:47 <Lemon> lets say 10ppm
16:02 <Ysjoelfir> thats not bad
16:26 <Lemon> adjusted with a 3458a, and it got tested by various voltnuts on the forum
16:42 <Ysjoelfir> I always wondered...
16:54 <Ysjoelfir> how do voltnuts taste?
17:21 <K> expensive
17:28 <Ysjoelfir> I assumed so
17:58 <Lemon> yes, and unsatisfying lol
18:07 <Lemon> you always need to add digits
18:51 <Lemon> so, what do you think of logic probes ?
18:58 <Lemon> it looks to be a neat tool to have
19:06 <Lemon> no need to get a dmm, or a LA for simple checks
19:18 <Ysjoelfir> its a nice DIY project
19:35 <Lemon> thats true yes ! I saw many tutorials
19:47 <rust_collector> logic probe....
24:35 <rust_collector> I think I like the idea, but I do not do digital things
24:48 <K> no digits here boss
25:42 <Lemon> a package, weeee
27:02 <Lemon> ha, thats some micro grabbers
27:04 <rust_collector> I got something from china today.
28:28 <Lemon> they look nice, but I did the right thing by buying the other type
28:33 <Lemon> what you got ?
29:35 <rust_collector> a yellow envelope it says "resistances"
30:06 <rust_collector> I am almost sure it is some of the 431 thingies
30:27 <Lemon> ha neat !
30:34 <Lemon> they are quite good for what they are, I was surprised
31:30 <rust_collector> I am sure they are awesome per dollar, for my kind of no-precision stuff.
32:04 <rust_collector> you know, I can get by with a meter with no zeros behind the .
32:25 <Lemon> well im more and more going this way too
32:30 <rust_collector> but that is hard to find, so I usually get one or two
32:32 <Lemon> im quite happy with myu 3.5 digit fluke :>
32:48 <Lemon> but those tl431 are quite accurate
32:52 <Lemon> stable I mean
33:28 <rust_collector> I would think they are pretty good.
33:51 <Lemon> you should try to make a precision current/voltage source with those for fun
34:03 <Lemon> I will do it too
35:08 <Ysjoelfir> didn't you want to do that with the LM399?
35:08 <Lemon> and I think I will def get a digital microscope, because shit its so hard to probe those mini ics
35:16 <Lemon> yes also :>
35:29 <Lemon> but I think its funny to see how accurate you can get it, with cheap things
37:40 <rust_collector> I like to see how shit your stuff can be, and still work. but I guess, calling it a precision reference might be a bit much? can we call it a "pretty ok" reference?
39:15 <Lemon> hehhh I mean, you can get it stable down to 50uv while its set at 5v, thats quite decent imo
40:14 <Lemon> heh I manage to grab a pin of the ADS1256 wiht those mini grabbers, but they are still a tad big
40:24 <Lemon> but I need a magnifier for that job lol
40:39 <Lemon> they arent really practical
40:56 <Lemon> the ones I bought with the LA are as small but you can use them with your thumbs
41:10 <Lemon> the one I have right now are straight, so its not easy, but you can fit more I guess
42:32 <Lemon> I really want some silicone dupont jumpers tho
45:40 <rust_collector> get some silicon jumpers. that is more special
52:22 <Halcyon> What have you broken steve30 ?
52:22 <steve30> nothing... yet
52:22 <K> do you have a short list?
52:22 <steve30> i need to go and do grandma's garden, but its raining
52:22 <Halcyon> Doesn't sound ideal to be gardening in the rain
52:22 <K> indeed
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> I found this yesterday. So nice to listen to in the background while doing something you have to concentrate by
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWH8CYNFuzo
52:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Musik zu Lernen, Studieren, Konzentrieren ♫ Entspannungsmusik
52:22 <Halcyon> The scenery is nice too
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> isn't it?
52:22 <K> i'd fall asleep
52:22 <Halcyon> Although it's a loop as the sun doesn't change over 3 hours
52:22 <K> something with changing scenery is train rides from drivers cabin
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> Is it Halcyon? Well ok, I have it in the background, so I don't realy notice^^
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> K - Well, sometimes I would, too. But that depends on the mood. You know what music I like :D
52:22 <Halcyon> :)
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52:22 <Ysjoelfir> wth
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> Tesla died!
52:22 <Halcyon> He might actually be sleeping for a change
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52:22 <Ysjoelfir> aha!
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> no, he doesn't sleep.
52:22 <K> that was just aletrness check
52:22 <K> (for us)
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> probably xD
52:22 <Halcyon> Heh
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> god damn it... Walter, the cat, is once again sleeping behind me. and he is salivating as fuck, as he always does. he just lifted his head and dripped right into my bumcrack -.- god thats such a disgusting feeling
52:22 <Halcyon> ROFL
52:22 <Halcyon> That was wayyyy more descriptive than it needed to be
52:22 <K> eeew
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> I can take a photo for you, halcyon, for an even more in depth (haha) experience
52:22 <K> that is payback for the farting you did the other day
52:22 <Halcyon> I'll pass, thanks :P
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, probably K :D
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52:22 <Halcyon> I yeh I forgot that was tonigh
52:22 <Halcyon> t
52:22 <Halcyon> https://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/in/australia/sydney
52:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Eclipses visible in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia - May 26, 2021 Lunar Eclipse
52:22 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaCROdt5Hi0
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54:45 <K> pinecone or bust!
01:02 <Lemon> hello frens
01:10 <Lemon> USA parcel is here, weeeeeeeee
02:15 <rust_collector> wooo?
03:13 <Lemon> probemasterrrrr
03:30 <rust_collector> eew
04:09 <Lemon> well at that point I thought about buying a cheapo dupont crimping tool and make them myself, as its impossible to find
04:20 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Laws of gravity still confirmed. The #LunarEclipse has started. https://t.co/txuSiZ9jiZ
05:04 <Lemon> and the luxmeter is ready for pickup too :>
05:33 <rust_collector> oof, more stuff to do
05:43 <K> oh no, not the stuff.
06:02 <rust_collector> stuff sucks, if you have to do it
07:53 <rust_collector> hmmm. that is an option. but as they are tiny wires, is it really that important? you can get pretty soft non-silicone wires.
08:39 <Lemon> well it annoys me to have them all stiff and tangled when you use a lot to connect a board, on the breadboard I will use those jumpers that stay flat from now
08:46 <Lemon> but it would be nice to have a couple nice jumpers
08:54 <Lemon> woah its really super nice quality
09:07 <rust_collector> the stuff?
09:22 <Lemon> the good stuff yes
09:50 <rust_collector> i thought we told you to buy that a long time ago... why did you wait so long?
10:41 <Lemon> well it took about 15 days rusty :>
11:11 <Lemon> and good thing, I didnt have any custom fees !
11:24 <Lemon> you remember what does it means ?
11:32 <rust_collector> I had some cheap ones, that was very floppy flappy, but I think that was mostly because there was almost no wire inside, lol
11:34 <rust_collector> yeah, kebab!
11:42 <K> yeah like 5 strands
11:51 <K> copper clad alu
11:59 <Lemon> hmmm not exactly
11:59 <K> makes me anger.
12:15 <rust_collector> you weird mr
12:27 <rust_collector> kebab is good...
12:27 <Lemon> yeah I will see what I do
12:33 <Lemon> also, heres the microscope I was looking at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYa_biBjJ1E
12:34 <Lemon> ho I got a lead forming thingie, I forgot I bought one aswell lol
12:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Andonstar AD206 Digital Microscope Review
12:36 <Lemon> yeah true
12:41 <Lemon> im surprised of what you can get for the price tbh
12:53 <Lemon> I thought something like that would cost 2-300 euros if not more
13:08 <rust_collector> K I doubt it had 5, lol
14:49 <rust_collector> I think most of the negative comments I have seen about the cheaper microscopes, is that they have too much delay.
15:14 <Lemon> I tried the tl431 yday btw !
15:41 <K> yup
15:52 <Lemon> this one seems pretty fine
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17:08 <Lemon> hmmm the dslogic is already out and I forgot to tell the seller to undervalue it
17:14 <rust_collector> I guess, if you want to use it for soldering, or placing something very tiny, it is more of an issue, but if you just want to see the text on some micro-tiny thing, it is fine. I have not seen that one, so, maybe it is fine
17:16 <Lemon> I hope he did, or that I wont take fees
17:30 <Ampera> good morning Lemon and rusty
17:41 <Lemon> morning morning whats cracking
17:53 <rust_collector> awesome Amperanesstime
18:11 <K> Amperass.
18:30 <Ampera> I had a particularly strange dream, in which I wanted a puppy to choke to death
18:40 <K> huh
18:41 <Ampera> don't know what that was about, I quite like puppies and do not wish them to die
18:59 <K> maybe it was evil puppy
19:19 <Ampera> no it was a very nice golden retriever puppy
19:51 <rust_collector> maybe you wanted to dip it in acid, and extract the gold
20:09 * Ampera dips rust_collector and collects the rust
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20:42 <Ampera> client certs, SASL, just using the password field in IRC, it shouldn't be that hard
20:52 <K> u wot
20:56 <Ampera> nothing
20:59 <rust_collector> Lemon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xszta-LXjY
20:59 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Andonstar Digital Microscope AD207 Review
21:23 <Lemon> yeah I saw this one too
21:33 <K> :|
21:45 <Lemon> its the more expensive version
22:04 <rust_collector> ok, is it much more?
22:24 <Ampera> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2U1n2WXEAEcT66.jpg:large
22:36 <Ampera> every growing boy needs three round meals a day
22:57 <rust_collector> protein blasted!
23:09 <Lemon> hmm like 25-30 euros more
23:09 <Ampera> blast me daddy
23:37 <jaymax> :grimacing:
23:51 <Lemon> but idk if it does something else than the other
23:54 <Lemon> they look quite identical
24:20 * Ampera feeds a cartridge into K's mouth, hits whichever one of his fingers are for play
24:33 <rust_collector> it is probably more or less the same, but they can have different sensors or something
25:14 <K> what kind of cartridge?
26:58 <Ampera> my savings account has made 3.30 USD YTD
27:02 <Ampera> I feel rich now
27:18 <Lemon> wow ampera enough with the flex, please !
27:32 * Ampera flexes Lemon into a nice cup of tea
27:35 <Ampera> mmm, lemon tea
27:54 <jaymax> What is that after accounting for hyperinflation?
28:14 <Ampera> approximately 20 BTC
28:21 <jaymax> Bet
28:26 <Ampera> a tape cassette cartridge system
28:44 <K> ok
30:18 <jaymax> Based on the CAD/USD exchange rate channges in the past year, I'd suspect US$2.50. But even then, the Canadian econonomy has got big problems too.
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30:37 <jaymax> econonononononomy even
33:10 <Ampera> ecohnomy
34:38 <jaymax> eco-boost
37:02 <Ampera> my motherboard and the coolers for it are coming in today
37:14 <Ampera> 2 day shipping off some random ebay items through the postal service
37:25 <Ampera> yet the power supply I bought is gonna be here Tuesday off Newegg
41:44 <Ysjoelfir> wait a sec, Ampera
41:50 <Ysjoelfir> your savings create money?
42:06 <Ampera> barely
42:09 <Ysjoelfir> here in europe we have to pay money for the bank to use our money.
42:12 <Ampera> lol
42:13 <Ysjoelfir> at least in germany
42:17 <Ampera> here we have interest in your favor
42:31 <Ampera> usually a few cents a year, or maybe a dollar if you have a lot of money in the account
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42:59 <Ampera> long in the ago day, or so I am told, you actually got a lot of money from savings, but I've never experienced such a thing
43:21 <Ysjoelfir> we have exactly 0.00%. and if you have over (between 10 to 100k, depending on the bank) on your account you have to pay a "s torage fee"
44:10 <Ampera> lol
44:23 <Ampera> you don't even pay fees to borrow money on credit cards here, if you pay it back within the month
44:44 <rust_collector> same here
44:45 <Ampera> in fact, you get more money in rewards from spending it through a credit card than you get from money sitting in a savings account
45:18 <Ampera> I've probably earned about 300 bucks through credit card rewards so far
45:31 <Ampera> and in terms of rewards, my card is considered good, but not stellar
45:54 <rust_collector> i don't even have one
46:24 <Ysjoelfir> i think the only credit card that gives you any rewards here in germany is the amazon credit card
46:29 <Ampera> it used to be credit cards were also more secure here, as the protections you have against fraud were much better, but I don't think that is the case anymore
46:46 <Ampera> that being said, while we might have these splendors, we still have no free means to transfer money besides checks
46:50 <Ysjoelfir> all others are either expensive to own or... well, free but more or less limited to a few hundred bucks, maybe 1000
47:04 <Ampera> and initiating an ACH transfer is a pain in the ass if you don't know how to do it
47:23 <Ampera> reminds me, I need to ask my bank to increase my credit limit
47:39 <Ampera> here, so long as there is no regular fee, the more credit cards you have the better
47:59 <Ampera> they are one of the simplest and easiest forms of credit information, and having several accounts makes you seem more trustworthy to lenders
48:25 <K> new eggs.
48:29 <Ysjoelfir> lol
49:05 <Ampera> what's even funnier is your credit score is calculated, in part, through what percentage of your available credit you are using
49:30 <Ampera> so I have a credit limit on a single card under 2k, and if I take out half of that (which can be just a regular large expense) my FICO8 can drop off by like 50 points
50:37 <Ysjoelfir> and over here we have the Schufa. as soon as you get a credit somewhere you get that information added at the schufa register, which some people can request to look into, eg. landlords. the schufa gives you a score. paying your debts lets the score go up, having even a single thing you missed to pay, like, your employer send your money to late and the credit card bill couldn't get paid, you get a very negative point in the schufa register.
50:38 <Ysjoelfir> which can result in you not getting a flat or a credit....
52:03 <Ampera> savings, they're great :P
52:19 <Ampera> as far as I concerned, outside of special deals, credit cards are not to be used for borrowing money
52:35 <Ampera> because the interest rates for credit card debt is hilariously high
52:55 <jaymax> Cash advances are an immediate penalty here anyway.
53:04 <Ampera> oh that's here too
53:07 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://i.imgur.com/ZC5JHSH.gif
53:12 <Ampera> cash advances are about as bad as you can get for expenses from a card
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53:27 <Ampera> no u
53:30 <jaymax> So I guess you mean purchases exclusively when "borrowing money"
53:35 <Ampera> basically, unless you need 750 bucks now and your checking and savings are drawn, or you'll die, there's no reason to do a cash advance
53:51 <Ampera> of course
53:53 <K> kek https://m1racles.com/
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53:59 <Ampera> anything you do on a credit card is borrowing money
54:04 <Ampera> that's the point
54:37 <jaymax> Well, almost - you could overpay your bill so there's never a balance due.
55:07 <Ampera> I have never done that
55:47 <jaymax> That's usually reserved for people fearful that the credit card company will start charging interest on the second day.
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57:01 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/tiOhAAw.mp4
57:24 <jaymax> I have recently recommended a family member to get a credit card since that person was doing everyone off a single debit card - which is all sorts of problems.
57:54 <Ampera> *clears throat*
57:56 <Ampera> tiddy
58:06 <jaymax> That person was resistant to it because of poor past experience with interest accrual.
58:40 <K> where titty?
59:05 <Ampera> look down
59:10 <jaymax> Ultimately went with a second debit card - which now I need to insist on making purchases on the one that can be "burned" if necessary.
59:50 <T3sl4> oh dear, ambulance just pulled up to the neighbors
59:55 <T3sl4> an old guy lives there i think
00:01 <K> huh
00:02 <Ampera> maybe he's just going to work
00:35 <Ampera> what's amusing is whenever anyone dials 911 here for almost any reason, the first thing to pull up is a fire engine
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00:45 <Ampera> purely because they're the closest and fastest responders
02:40 <T3sl4> understandable, and they have paramedic training
02:58 <T3sl4> the hospital is actually like 6 blocks down so it's a pretty good place to have a heart attack, i suppose
03:00 <Ampera> and if it's a criminal issue, they have the big fucking truck
03:25 <Ampera> yeah we have a hospital right down the street too. We used to live literally down the street from it, which was fun for noise reasons
03:27 <T3sl4> and burly strong men and women to drive it
03:55 <Ampera> and big sharp objects in the back to remind the potential offenders about the merits of death
04:34 <T3sl4> and to make fires question their life choices
06:48 <T3sl4> K: oh no, my ELO scores!
06:57 <coppice> The best place for a heart attack is about 20cm below your neck
07:22 <Ampera> what if you're laying down
09:21 <T3sl4> axis aligned
10:58 <T3sl4> *bwoop**weeeeooooeeeeeooo* and off they go
16:42 <Ampera> hahahaha, I thought I was playing an album from the italian winners of the eurovision song contest this year
16:53 <Ampera> I'm always amused by what different expenses are categorized as on my credit card statement
17:00 <Ampera> then all of a sudden they started singing in french, which was when I realized youtube music was just playing random songs
17:05 <Ampera> my order from digikey was categorized as "home repair"
17:10 <Ampera> and I literally didn't notice it wasn't the same people
18:17 <rust_collector> well, they are not too far away
18:28 <K> ELO ?
18:51 <rust_collector> wait, did italy win?
19:48 <Ampera> yes
19:55 <Ampera> for once an actually decent song too
20:38 <Ampera> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mL6Cmkg2_A
20:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Måneskin - Zitti E Buoni - Italy 🇮🇹 - Official Music Video - Eurovision 2021
20:41 <rust_collector> ok... they are probably immigrants
20:46 <Ampera> hahahaha
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33:11 <T3sl4> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
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34:41 <coppice> Its the Electric Light Orchestra, of course
36:06 <K> ah.
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38:14 <rust_collector> I am not sure why, but they make me think of ghost
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45:57 <Ampera> ^
47:07 <rust_collector> maybe because of that italian guy
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49:49 <electrohead> o/
50:09 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
50:11 <Ampera> how are you electroted?
50:12 <rust_collector> o-
55:29 <Lemon> Ampera if mine was categorizing my purchases it would be mainly "random shit" lol
55:58 <rust_collector> e-waste
56:26 <Lemon> ye xd
56:42 <Lemon> I was quite surprised with those tl431
56:45 <Lemon> they are really stable
57:21 <Lemon> I was setting one at 2.6V and it was changing by 10-20uV, which is probably due to resistors
58:09 * T3sl4 hugs Lemon
58:25 <Ampera> that's improper, T3sl4!
58:27 * Ampera squeezes Lemon 
58:33 <Lemon> :O
58:35 * T3sl4 fondles Ampera
58:56 <Ampera> you really put the fond in fondle, T3sl4
59:05 <Ampera> and, strangely enough, the fond in fondue...
59:11 <T3sl4> and the fond in fondant
02:59 <Lemon> as I didnt eat custom fees for the probemaster set or the fluke, it means I can get a logic analyzer !
03:05 <Lemon> well, within the budget, ofc lol
03:23 <Lemon> ive been reading a lot, and I think the dslogic plus is the logical choice
03:26 <K> which one are you getting?
03:40 <K> makes sense
03:46 <K> what were other contenders?
03:54 <Lemon> im still debatting with myself as I dont know much, but it seems to offer the best ratio price/performance/support etc
04:04 <Lemon> well theres those kingst ones
04:08 <Lemon> but not a lot of infos
04:16 <Lemon> saleae but wayyyy too expensive
04:31 <Lemon> analog discovery thingies, also too expensive
04:36 <Lemon> and it was missing a few things, I forgot what
05:09 <Lemon> couple others, but they either lacked software support or they lacked memory, sample rate... etc
05:17 <Lemon> so the dslogic plus seems to be the best option
05:37 <K> i would also get one cheap ass 8 channel one
05:40 <Lemon> 75-80 euros sounds nice, 20 euros for better clips
05:55 <K> fx2la based
05:56 <Lemon> I think I have one, well my father had one
06:00 <K> ah.
06:00 <Lemon> so its probably laying around
06:14 <K> that p/p is hard to beat tbh
06:24 <rust_collector> 8 small channels for $3 is pretty ok
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06:38 <Lemon> yeah thats true
06:54 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001425094696.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.1.47797eb6Ts25h2&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.33416.213724.0&scm_id=1007.33416.213724.0&scm-url=1007.33416.213724.0&pvid=83705df7-74c7-40a9-b78e-f3d7ab5a40f2&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.33416.213724.0,pvid:83705df7-74c7-40a9-b78e-f3d7ab5a40f2,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2336_668%23888%233325%2310_23416%230%23213724%
06:54 <Lemon> 34721%2321967%23575_23416%234722%2321970%231_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%231000022185%231000066059%230_668%233422%2315392%23608_4452%230%23226710%230_4452%233474%2316498%23600_4452%234862%2324463%23534_4452%233098%239599%23447_4452%235106%2323440%23715_4452%233564%2316062%23714
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07:04 <K> buckets!
07:12 <Lemon> here are the clips I wanted to get, they are much thinier than the ones given in the package
07:19 <Lemon> which is a good thing
07:46 <Lemon> ez hook stuff or better ones are out of the budget
08:10 <K> dunno which ones came with my saleae, but those are good
08:49 <Lemon> ez hooks I think
08:58 <Lemon> regular micro grabbers but of good quality
09:17 <Lemon> I got two that came in the probemaster set, they are nice but a tad too thick for the thiniest ics from what people say
09:29 <Lemon> and the equivalent of the cheapo I linked cost 15 euros a piece lol
10:04 <Lemon> im mega happy about the probemaster sets
10:17 <Lemon> it was a decent amount of money, but I got stuff for my money
10:32 <rust_collector> it is ok, it will last for weeks
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11:48 <Lemon> well, for 120 euros it better last for decades
11:58 <Lemon> but im sure it will, I take care of my stuff and it looks sturdy
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35:44 <Lemon> K btw which LA do you have ?
35:52 <Lemon> saleae, another one ?
35:56 <Lemon> or just the saleae
38:14 <K> i have a tiny 8ch fx2la based one
38:25 <K> and then saleae pro 16
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39:44 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir do you need a thing like this? https://ibb.co/FVRz6YQ
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40:05 <rust_collector> or anyone else, lol
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41:04 <rust_collector> awww
41:21 <rust_collector> and we had all that fun
42:00 <T3sl4> wheeeeeeee
42:12 <K> it is a bnc to what?
42:23 <K> looks like something has sheered off
42:38 * Ampera serves split net soup as a consolation price
42:40 <Ampera> er, prize
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43:34 <rust_collector> I think it is the antenna on cb radios connector, whatever that is called
44:08 <rust_collector> but it is like that, pretty sure it is not sheared off
44:37 <K> hm, have not seen any connectors like that
44:42 * T3sl4 serves Ampera a consolation prince
44:53 <Lemon> 98 euros for a dslogic plus, and 20 of those nice little hooks
44:54 <T3sl4> it's a stack of pancakes, bitch
44:58 <Lemon> that seems acceptable
45:00 * Ampera serves T3sl4, watches as the ball bounces and then falls out of the court
45:12 <T3sl4> :)
45:21 <Lemon> im tired of not understanding some arduino code I use for ADCs or other things like this
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45:29 <Lemon> I want to see by myself how it works
45:48 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/n3Qc7Hq
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46:03 <Lemon> and I expected to pay 40-50 in custom fees for the fluke, and probemaster set...
46:08 <Lemon> so all in all, thats great
46:23 <K> nop, looks cmopletely foreign to me
47:08 <rust_collector> that is probably correct. who would produse these things there?
47:25 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/therewasanattempt/comments/nlaq3m/to_feed_the_bird/
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48:15 <Ysjoelfir> weeeee
48:16 <rust_collector> that connector has a 6 pin din sort of connector on the middle, and a 3.5mm stereo plug on the end
48:39 * Ysjoelfir has Brie from that strange country where they pretend to not understand english
48:42 <K> haha
48:46 <rust_collector> and that adapter on this end... I have no idea what it comes from
50:13 <T3sl4> mmm, cheeze
50:24 <Ysjoelfir> yez!
50:32 <Lemon> hmmm the dslogic plus is at 149 usd on the website but can be found at 80 euros on aliexpress
50:43 <Lemon> it seems to be a genuine one, but I wonder why theres such a difference
50:50 <Ysjoelfir> oi! there is one from that strange country!
51:14 <rust_collector> BURN HIM!!!!
51:23 * Ysjoelfir ignites Lemon
51:37 <K> he is a witch?
51:40 <Lemon> le strange quoi ??
51:56 <rust_collector> yes, he is a witch
52:08 <Ysjoelfir> yes K! See, he is doing his magic there, saying some kind of magic formula!
52:16 <K> huh
52:22 <K> i guess better safe than sorry
52:29 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
52:35 <rust_collector> floats like a duck
53:13 <Lemon> you can't ignite lemons !
53:23 <Lemon> thats ethically wrong
53:26 <rust_collector> yes you can!
53:35 * Ysjoelfir cuts Lemon in half and puts soda on it
53:38 <T3sl4> it seems Ysjoelfir has surrendered to the monkey within, and is eating all the cheese
53:47 <Lemon> nooooooo
54:09 <T3sl4> no cutting! only squeezing!
54:54 * Ysjoelfir squeezes hot glue onto lemon and puts the two pieces back together
55:07 <Lemon> ok, all good
55:35 <Ysjoelfir> in other words.... my systronical Thunder has arrived!
56:27 <Lemon> haaaa neat !
56:30 <Lemon> you like it ?
56:33 <Ysjoelfir> its cute
56:37 <Lemon> how big is the dc offset ? XD
56:47 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno.
57:00 <Lemon> check it, im super curious if it have it
57:04 <Ysjoelfir> can't
57:11 <Lemon> and if you can also measure the one on your other, not today, when you can
57:31 <Lemon> I received my fluke 27/FM yday, and today the probemaster set !
57:39 <Lemon> you didnt lie, its super nice quality, im mega happy !
58:41 <Ysjoelfir> nah, I can't fire it up as it has some shite mains plug I have never seen.
58:55 <Ysjoelfir> and the other one I can't check the offset since the panaplex is fuckered
59:58 <Ysjoelfir> but damn that frenchistonian brie is good.
00:01 <Lemon> awww crap
00:09 <Lemon> heh yes its good :>
00:14 <Lemon> not my favourite but its great
00:26 <Lemon> do you have any experience with logic analyzers ?
01:12 <Ysjoelfir> not that many. I have a totally legit saleaeaea or however you spell that
01:19 <Ysjoelfir> wh9ich i used... once
01:47 <Ysjoelfir> but I will probably need it soon way more
02:28 <Lemon> ha neat !
02:37 <K> saleaeaeaeeee!
02:37 <rust_collector> i think I will spell it saleæ
02:53 <Lemon> I want one to learn about decoding, and understand adcs, and various thingies a bit more
02:55 <Ysjoelfir> I agree with rustys spekking
02:58 <Ysjoelfir> spelling
03:13 <Lemon> when I take arduino code or simply look at datasheet it makes no sense to me
03:24 <Lemon> so with a LA I could visualize it, and learn it
03:41 <Ysjoelfir> you should get a good old stand alone logic analyzer
03:43 <Lemon> and its a cool thing to have ! I will probably get a dslogic plus, it got good specs and its not super expensive
03:47 <Ysjoelfir> I always wanted one of those.
03:58 <Lemon> yeah a TLA7XX or a 1670G :>
04:02 <K> dunno, for arduinos usb ones make more sense
04:06 <Lemon> issue is flying leads, they cost a shitton
04:24 <Lemon> but sadly most of those dont have much memory
04:29 <Lemon> from what I understand it limits them
04:34 <rust_collector> anything flying is expensive
04:37 <K> they used one very nice looking in curios marc videos
04:39 <Lemon> but its good for older stuff, as it got 3243243 channels
04:46 <Lemon> a 1670G !
04:53 <Lemon> it seems to be an industry standard
05:26 <K> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDYNsstDh3s
05:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: HP 9825 Repair Part 3: HP Logic Analyzer to the Rescue
05:28 <Ysjoelfir> K - absolutely right. I just like the old ones, but they have no real place today anymor. though I would want one when I start programming my power analyzer, as those old ones are pretty good at decoding GPIB
06:09 <Lemon> yeah for older things they are kings
06:31 <Lemon> I prefer to start with that dslogic, its decently cheap, doesnt take space, and it got a well documented software
06:45 <Lemon> for 100 euros I get it along with 20 better clips
06:51 <rust_collector> did you order it yet?
06:54 <Lemon> because the ones included are shit, according to many people
06:59 <Lemon> im about to do it yeah
07:07 <rust_collector> good, get it done
07:16 <Ysjoelfir> why not go with the saleæ?
07:16 <Lemon> lol why you always push me rusty :P
07:25 <Ysjoelfir> its 7.82 from banggood
07:26 <rust_collector> he is too cheap
07:39 <K> when building deubbing your own stuff it is often more convenient to just use pin header here and there
07:44 <Lemon> because it cost a shitton Ysjoelfir, if I want the one equivalent to the dslogic its like 6-7 times the price
07:47 <K> debubber!
08:03 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.banggood.com/de/USB-Logic-Analyzer-24M-8CH-Microcontroller-ARM-FPGA-Debug-Tool-p-1177821.html is it, lemon?
08:04 <Lemon> K thats true yeah I ordered a few clamps, SOIC 8/16 for example
08:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - Usb logic analyzer 24m 8ch microcontroller arm fpga debug tool Sale - Banggood.com
08:16 <Lemon> ha but thats not a saleae !
08:25 <Ysjoelfir> lol K :D I should add "debubbing" into my wordings
08:28 <Lemon> thats el cheapo :>
08:35 <Lemon> certainly super good price.perf tho
08:37 <K> it is adequate
08:48 <rust_collector> yes, it is cheap, and does the same as a very old saleæ
08:53 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, is it not? but that works with the saleaaeaeaeae software, so it "has to be genuine", right?
09:00 <rust_collector> can use the same software too
09:21 <Lemon> well no its not a saleae :P but it does work with the software, or sigrok I guess
09:27 <Ysjoelfir> though I agree, IF I would have the money I would go for the genuine one to support the manufacturer. but I am poor...
09:35 <K> but be aware, that newer cheap 8-channel LA's use different version of fx2la chip and are not compatible with saleae software
09:44 <rust_collector> it works fine in sigrok
09:44 <K> work just fine with pulseview/sigrok though
09:48 <Ysjoelfir> good thing that I have an old one^^
10:08 <Lemon> I prefer to spend a bit more and get a more capable one, because I dislike buying something cheap, play with it, realize I need more, buy another one etc
10:29 <Lemon> and I stopped smoking, so I can allow myself to get it :>
10:34 <rust_collector> sure, but you don't need one, so you might as well get a cheap one
10:40 <K> i buy 1st one cheap, and then decide if i need top of the line
10:48 <Lemon> well technically I dont need anything in my lab
10:53 <Lemon> its more a "want" thing
10:56 <rust_collector> good plan
11:13 <Lemon> well lets say that if I need more than the dslogic plus, I will know it I guess
11:30 <Lemon> but 16 channels is already small from what I saw, so 8 might be really hard for some stuff
11:38 <Lemon> I remember my father cursing a lot on the 8 channel cheapo he had
11:46 <Lemon> but you are right, its enough to learn
11:54 <Ysjoelfir> you can get the cheap one with 16 channels, or even two of those!
12:00 <rust_collector> well, stop making things so complicated?
12:26 <Lemon> my plan was to get the dslogic plus, and if I discover myself a new passion inside the passion, I'll get a better one later :>
12:46 <rust_collector> yes yes, go order it...
14:17 <Lemon> you are harsh with me rusty :(
14:37 <rust_collector> no, I am just tired of hearing about that thing already
15:05 <rust_collector> go have your nap, so you can think and order before 5
15:07 <Lemon> well, I feel you are tired of hearing about me, more than that thing
15:40 <rust_collector> well... when did anyone tell the story of lemon?
16:47 <electrohead> o/
16:51 <Lemon> when I say that I want to get something, its not necessarly because I "need" it, as im not owning a compagny making money, needing that tool to work better, its more about myself creating a need because I like to add capabilities to my lab, and I appreciate to have new tools to play/learn with
17:00 <Lemon> ofc I could get a cheap one, learn with it, do things blabla
17:09 <Lemon> or I could buy a high end one and not use it at 1%
18:06 <rust_collector> right, did you order?
18:19 <Lemon> well I'll just quit talking, understood
19:30 <rust_collector> nah, keep talking. you can just have one of the mods ban me slightly again, so I can not annoy you
20:32 <Ysjoelfir> naah. we won't ban you. why should we? :)
20:44 <rust_collector> eh, why not?
21:09 <Ysjoelfir> because we like you?
21:15 <rust_collector> arrrgh
21:29 <Ysjoelfir> oh ok, I start hating you now, if you prefer :P
21:45 <rust_collector> oh good, I almost ignited
25:23 * electrohead squeezes Lemon
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39:50 <electrohead> Ampera: I'm alright, just took my cat to the vet to get her teeth cleaned
40:00 <Ampera> never done that with my cats
40:44 <electrohead> my cat refuses to eat dry cat food, and she has build-up on her back teeth
40:51 * Ysjoelfir pokes Lemon
41:01 <Ampera> I'm presently trying to figure out how the hell dovecot and postfix work together
41:22 <electrohead> lol
41:28 <electrohead> I haven't played with them much, yet
47:38 <Ampera> I'm mostly jumping around the docs, reading how it's all supposed to fit together, and the different sort of auth and security mechanisms
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