// #eevblog — 2021-05-22
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00:03:28 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - NEW EEVblog Video! EEVblog 1395 - Onkyo Repair SUCCESS https://t.co/fZaLRtMJUs
00:26:20 <Lemon> just got the ac/dc clamp
00:26:31 <Lemon> looks quite nice, pretty heavy
00:27:02 <rust_collector> they are filled with radium sand, so they woudl be
00:31:21 <Lemon> perfect
00:31:42 <Lemon> so from what I understand, those hall effect clamps are used on voltage ranges ?
00:31:53 <Lemon> if I measure a direct current I put it on DC
00:32:16 <rust_collector> i believe they are dc always, not sure?
00:33:04 <Lemon> this one says AC/DC
00:33:12 <rust_collector> output?
00:33:17 <rust_collector> or signal?
00:33:18 <Lemon> so I guess if I measure alternating current I use ACV ?
00:33:23 <Lemon> heh good question
00:33:26 <Lemon> signal I guess
00:33:40 <rust_collector> I meant both as the same, but...
00:33:48 <rust_collector> try it and see
00:34:02 <rust_collector> but I guess it is always dc
00:35:05 <Lemon> can I damage anything ?
00:35:19 <rust_collector> by measuring voltage? no
00:35:50 <rust_collector> worst case, you get weird readings
00:36:27 <Lemon> hmmm what could I test it on quickly
00:36:31 <Lemon> heh you know what
00:36:36 <Lemon> I will setup something properly later
00:36:39 <Lemon> right now theres the grandmother
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00:51:57 <Seng> I have a LiPo 18650, which measures 200mV. It has gotten a little wet. Is it possible to get a decent charge back on it or should I just get rid of it?
00:52:54 <T3sl4> below 3V is questionable
00:53:39 <Ampera> I have a D cell which measures 115kV, is this normal
00:54:06 <rust_collector> 115 kibivolt?
00:54:13 <Ampera> oh sorry
00:54:19 <Ampera> 115 KiV
00:55:08 <rust_collector> yes, normal, if you put it in the right place
00:55:10 <Ampera> wouldn't that then make a kibielectronvolt a KieV?
00:55:38 <T3sl4> yes
00:56:06 <Ampera> Then, if you were to measure the mass of a chicken using said unit, wouldn't that make it a chicken KieV?
00:56:20 * Ampera forwards said chicken KieV to steve30
00:56:32 <rust_collector> I get this weird urge to call my power company and confuse them a lot
00:56:53 <Ampera> that sounds fun
00:56:55 <T3sl4> no, that would be KieV/c^2
00:57:47 <Seng> Tanks Ampera, you wanker! :))
00:58:02 <Ampera> I have never masturbated in my life I swear
00:58:03 <Seng> Thanks to T3sl4 for a real answer :P
00:58:08 <Ampera> please don't tell the pastor
00:58:09 <rust_collector> Ampera is not from NZ
00:58:32 <Ampera> not unless the state has been renamed New Zork and I haven't been told
00:58:34 <rust_collector> I think
00:58:50 <Ampera> anyways, I think I'm going to go to work or something
00:58:52 <rust_collector> well, it is what people use, so start calling it that
00:58:55 <Ampera> have a nice life, or afterlife
00:58:57 <Ampera> or prelife
00:59:29 <rust_collector> have fun Ampera... are you going to the other machine, next to this one now?
01:00:30 <rust_collector> Seng I think that cell is probably done. if you have a properly rated pie dish, I guess you could try charging it very slowly, and see what happens?
01:03:16 <rust_collector> but I would not trust it in something you don't keep an eye on
01:07:15 <hsn> Hey T3sl4 is comparator phase reversal a perminant damage or it resets when power restart of the board
01:07:48 <T3sl4> i mean, some parts might be that bad, idk
01:07:50 <rust_collector> hsn it is not perminant
01:07:58 <T3sl4> regular ones like 393, it's just dependent on input levels
01:08:22 <hsn> Ok so generally its just error latch
01:10:06 <Kuschelpony> hsn, not even a error latch
01:10:31 <hsn> Just an error
01:10:35 <Kuschelpony> its just a momentary change of the outpout voltage and the IC itself immediately returns to normal operation after the input is in valid range again
01:10:49 <hsn> Okkk
01:11:00 <Kuschelpony> but there can be issues with the external circuit that then forms a latching action
01:11:42 <hsn> Yeah that can be true .. ok thanks all
01:12:04 <Kuschelpony> not to confuse this with the real "Latchup" that is an entirely other thing potentially ending in destruction
01:12:17 <Kuschelpony> no problem, i am happy if i can help others
01:13:57 * T3sl4 gives Kuschelpony a carrot
01:16:00 <Kuschelpony> i think by far the most widely knon example of phase reversal is the TL071 when the inputs are going to less than about 3V above the negative supply, then the output goes hard to the positive
01:16:25 <Kuschelpony> and endless people wonder why it doesnt work in their single supply circuit
01:16:59 <Kuschelpony> on the other side, it works perfectly with the inputs at the positive supply rail
01:17:24 <Kuschelpony> thats very useful when you want to build a current source with PNP or P-channel mosfet
01:18:48 <T3sl4> tho the outside doesn't saturate all the way to either rail
01:18:58 <T3sl4> give or take a pullup, that's not usually a problem
01:21:20 <Kuschelpony> yep right
01:22:27 <Kuschelpony> at least when i did this the VGSTh was enough to have no concerns
01:24:52 <T3sl4> yup
01:27:43 <Kuschelpony> but thats just a specific lucky conciodence and not generalized as you correctly said
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03:43:45 <DHess_US> Tracking down why one of my DM502 multimeters quit. I assumed it was the three aluminum electrolytic capacitors in the power supply, but nope.
03:44:09 <DHess_US> So I check the voltages, and the -12 volt rail is missing. Ah! Shorted tantalum! Nope. WTF?
03:44:37 <DHess_US> The bridge rectifier for the -12 volt supply was completely open. HTF does that happen?
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03:45:54 <DHess_US> Well, half of it was completely open, and pulling it caused the other half to go open.
03:47:05 <rust_collector> heh
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04:36:48 <Seng> Did you "accidently" drop your DMM to the floor doing some frustrating issue fixing ?
04:38:34 <Seng> I have a solar cell with a 2.5M resistor across the positive and negative terminals. The solar cell(s)output 1.2V.
04:38:40 <T3sl4> DHess_US: thermal cycling? *shrug*
04:38:45 <Seng> What does the restistor do good?
04:39:42 <T3sl4> Seng: it does good at sinking half a microamp
04:40:59 <Seng> Wouldn't I rather want that half microamp in my circuit? It's a kind of solar garden lamp.
04:41:39 <Seng> So it charges a battery and lights some LEDs :)
04:42:15 <T3sl4> beats me
04:43:29 <Seng> That's makes me feel a little better!
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05:20:38 <Seng> Yay. Third lamp I cracked open have a top notch 18650 battery!
05:21:03 <Lord_of_nothing> Servus!
05:21:07 <Lord_of_nothing> Herr Kuschel?
05:21:35 <Lord_of_nothing> @Kuschelpony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0wiO5wtEj4
05:21:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Permanent geil
05:22:02 <Seng> We had 4 garden lamps, none of them light up anymore. But hey, free solar panels and batteries I guess :D
05:22:27 <Kuschelpony> should i wantch that video and whats happening there?
05:23:15 <Lord_of_nothing> sure
05:23:26 <DHess_US> <T3sl4> DHess_US: thermal cycling? *shrug*
05:23:28 <Seng> I'm not sure Christian Nominator is up my alley (:
05:23:33 <DHess_US> 1 amp bridge, low current application.
05:23:57 <DHess_US> Thinking about it now, I think I'm going to replace all of the bridges.
05:24:07 <rust_collector> just do it
05:24:41 <DHess_US> I have two of these meters, and maybe another somewhere.
05:24:56 <DHess_US> Guess I should go check.
05:26:10 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY9X9KX7698
05:26:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Jive Connie
05:26:47 <Lord_of_nothing> @Kuschelpony Wie gehts dir heute?
05:28:30 <Kuschelpony> Hmm, ich würde gerne etwas aus meinem leben erzählen, aber seit Monaten passiert da nichts aufregendes
05:28:53 <Lord_of_nothing> Wie ist dein aktueller Gemütsstatus?
05:29:41 <Lord_of_nothing> Wenn Ich glück habe kommt am Montag mein neuer Roller.
05:29:43 <Kuschelpony> soo, watched the video and never agaoin, sorry thats just hurting my brain
05:29:59 <Kuschelpony> Lordofnoithing: ich fühle mich vor allem leer weil nichts passiert
05:30:10 <Lord_of_nothing> Yey dann kann Ich mit 50 durch Wien rauschen.
05:30:13 <Kuschelpony> ok and sorry for the locasl chat, i go back to english for everyone
05:30:19 <Kuschelpony> hihi
05:30:23 <Kuschelpony> so you are from vienna?
05:30:45 <Lord_of_nothing> Wenns mich aufhalten muss Ich mich drauf raus reden das mit der Massenträgheit und den Grünen Berg *gg*.
05:30:49 <Lord_of_nothing> Sure
05:30:54 <DHess_US> 2 x DM502, 2 x DM501, and 1 x DM501A, and I might have another somewhere. 1 x DM502 and the DM501A are broken ATM.
05:31:21 <Kuschelpony> i have plans to visit vienna for a very special holiday event in fall or winter
05:31:37 <DHess_US> None of them are anything special, but sometimes it is very handy to have 4 multimeters in front of you.
05:31:50 <Lord_of_nothing> Wennst magst kann Ich dir eine VIP Tour geben.
05:32:22 <Lord_of_nothing> Weit weg von allen Touri abzocken.
05:32:36 <Kuschelpony> Hihi, aber ich habe schon was sehr spezifisches vor, aber prinzipiell bin ich imemr interresiert
05:32:43 <Kuschelpony> oh noch mehr interresiert :)
05:32:46 <Lord_of_nothing> Wasn?
05:32:55 <Lord_of_nothing> Es gibt nix das Ich ned schon mal gehört habe.
05:33:11 <Kuschelpony> uhm... wir kennen uns noch bei weitem nicht genug um ins Detail zu gehen... sagen wir ein sehr spezielles Touristikangebot
05:33:14 <Lord_of_nothing> Willst paar Gras Stecklinge kaufen? Ja das ist 100% legal bei uns.
05:33:18 <Lord_of_nothing> Puff?
05:33:22 <Kuschelpony> nein und nein
05:33:28 <Kuschelpony> ist hier kein Disklussionsthema
05:33:44 <Lord_of_nothing> Schlimmer als ein Puff besuch kann es ned mehr werden.
05:34:20 <Kuschelpony> :)
05:34:28 <Kuschelpony> nicht schlimm, ehr sehr speziell
05:34:29 <Lord_of_nothing> eventuell den blüml vor die türe scheissen?
05:34:43 <Kuschelpony> und ein Puff interresiert mich nciht, wenn dan nehr ein SM-Club :)
05:35:01 <Kuschelpony> ich möchte jetzt nicht ins Detail gehen, vielelicht in einem halbem jahr
05:35:03 <Lord_of_nothing> Ist ja auch vollkommen ok.
05:35:27 <Lord_of_nothing> Solange du damit glücklich bist habe Ich kein problem damit.
05:35:35 <Kuschelpony> hihi :)
05:35:53 <Lord_of_nothing> Ich habe bekannte die behaupten Schwul zu sein was Ich da manchmal so höre...
05:36:59 <Kuschelpony> Schnurr
05:37:20 <Kuschelpony> aber ich glaueb ich möchte den Chat hier ehr für professionelle technische Themen benutzen
05:37:33 <Kuschelpony> sorry to the non-german speaking people again
05:38:28 <Lord_of_nothing> ok wie viel V + AM benutzt am am besten für ein Anal Plug?
05:38:46 <Lord_of_nothing> Damit hat sich schon ein bekannter Youtuber gespielt also ist es total ok darüber zu reden.
05:40:34 <Kuschelpony> ach, das erschreckt mich absolut nicht....
05:43:31 <Kuschelpony> Gegenfrage: was willst du für eine Wirkung erzielen, dann kann ich dir gute Werte geben :)
05:43:51 <Lord_of_nothing> Lass mich die Latex Handschuhe anziehen und einen Praxis test machen.
05:44:03 <Lord_of_nothing> For all Dutch Friends: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dn7FtPVvoA
05:44:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Zanger Rinus - Met Romana Op De Scooter Original HD
05:47:12 <Lord_of_nothing> Aja Ich habe ein paar Handschellen fallst dich ned benehmen kannst bei der Tour.
05:49:48 <Kuschelpony> es reicht die Zügel zu nehmen
05:50:18 <Lord_of_nothing> Ich gebe lieber meinen Roller die Sporen.
05:50:39 <Lord_of_nothing> Mal sehen was er bei meinen gewicht so schafft
05:55:35 <Lord_of_nothing> Woher kommst du eigentlich?
05:56:48 <Kuschelpony> Hinterland von Nürnberg, aber gelegentlich mal zu Besuch in Innsbruck
05:57:50 <Ysjoelfir> Moinsen! Wasn das hier fuer ne Germanistenveranstaltung? :P
05:59:22 <Lord_of_nothing> Sry Ich bin aus der Ostmark.
06:00:05 <Kuschelpony> I am not sure, just trying to balance between the english channel, and someone who seems to be recently a fan of me or something like this
06:00:24 <K> welp, latvia just won canada in hockey
06:00:27 <K> 2:-
06:00:30 <K> 2:0
06:01:08 <Lord_of_nothing> A country I want visit someday.
06:01:13 <K> im sure stranger things have happened
06:01:21 <K> im sure canada is nice, yea
06:01:40 <Lord_of_nothing> well i talk about latvia
06:01:49 <Ysjoelfir> We actually consider visiting latvia for our vacation this year. though we don't know yet, corona, bla, blubb
06:02:12 <Lord_of_nothing> I want visit triest with my new scooter
06:02:39 <Lord_of_nothing> not drive the hole way just going by train
06:02:48 <Ysjoelfir> where is the fun in that?
06:02:50 <Lord_of_nothing> and in triest use them
06:03:12 <Lord_of_nothing> well drive arround in triest and from there going home by train and a night bus
06:03:28 <Ysjoelfir> why not drive the whole way? :P
06:05:20 <Lord_of_nothing> sure... with 25kmh?
06:08:51 <Ysjoelfir> you know... there is/was a yearly meeting in Suhl for fans of the Simson motorcycles. there were many that drove there eg. with the Simson SL1 :D
06:10:17 <Lord_of_nothing> Goole say its just a 28h ride...
06:11:44 <Ysjoelfir> perfect
06:11:52 <Lord_of_nothing> from 200m hight to 990m
06:12:17 <Ysjoelfir> roughly twice what we needed when driving to rust_collector -land
06:12:19 <Lord_of_nothing> down to 477m
06:12:58 <Lord_of_nothing> up on the niext hill on 977m
06:13:42 <Lord_of_nothing> just behind the boarder the next big one with 822m
06:13:51 <Lord_of_nothing> from there its going down to sea level
06:14:01 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DO0XyS8Ko
06:14:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sandu Ciorba - Pe cimpoi
06:15:14 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scUanSmuBqw
06:15:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: TURBOBIER - King of Simmering (OFFIZIELLES VIDEO)
06:16:43 <Ysjoelfir> exact
06:19:59 <Lord_of_nothing> yey tomorrow i can pick up my body armor
06:21:23 <Ysjoelfir> in 7 days I can pick up my 5g nanobots! :D
06:22:03 <Lord_of_nothing> Feb. 20 2021
06:22:13 <Lord_of_nothing> ordert and now i can pick them up.
06:22:20 <Lord_of_nothing> the fucking german custom want money to
06:23:20 * steve30 coffees
06:26:15 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uksD9MOEvg
06:26:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Kozmix - Kozmix A Házban
06:27:55 * electrohead waves
06:28:05 <Ysjoelfir> mornings steve and head
06:30:07 <steve30> well, i didn't sleep very long
06:35:53 <electrohead> afternoon/evenings
06:36:57 * Ampera hugs electrohead
06:36:59 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
06:37:40 <Lord_of_nothing> Servus!
06:37:43 <Lord_of_nothing> 🇦🇹
06:37:49 <Ampera> I am IRCing via france at the moment in order to download the eurovision songcontest
06:37:50 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing, banned
06:39:06 * electrohead counter hugs Ampera
06:39:09 <electrohead> I'm alright, you?
06:39:20 <Ampera> latent
06:39:28 <Ampera> VPN latency going between 100-900ms
06:40:10 <Ampera> where's TheDude, so I can tell him Slovenia was shit in the ESC this year
06:45:02 <Lord_of_nothing> omg i almost cry
06:45:13 <Lord_of_nothing> that song remember my when i was a child: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YxTa1AUqps
06:45:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Scooter - The Logical Song (Official Video)
06:45:18 <Kuschelpony> Lord_of_nothing, which kind of body armor if i may ask?
06:45:56 <Lord_of_nothing> @Ampera if you would ask me nicely i would allow you to download the tv record but you dont want to
06:46:15 <Lord_of_nothing> Herr Kuschel: https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1511474973.html
06:46:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - MILITECH Ebene 4 Kugelsichere Platte SIC Keramik & PE Stand Alone Ballistic Panel NIJ IV Verbund Rüstung Zwei Stücke Widerstehen AP M2|nij iv|nij 4nij level iv - AliExpress
06:46:30 <Lord_of_nothing> Ich würde darunter aber eine Soft Ballistik anziehen
06:47:07 <Ampera> Lord_of_nothing, already downloaded both semifinals
06:47:15 <Ampera> and I prefer the youtube versions since it doesn't have the commentary
06:47:57 <Kuschelpony> hmm, not yet something i felt a need for
06:48:20 <Lord_of_nothing> Dazu deutsche Wertarbeit: https://www.zentauron.de/de/taktische-ausruestung-westen-schutzwesten/2792-schutzweste-thor.html
06:48:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Schutzweste Thor für Ballistische Einlagen online bestellen
06:48:28 <Kuschelpony> perhaps a steel fullbody armor suit would make more fun in other cisrcumstances
06:48:38 <Lord_of_nothing> the austrian version dont have any during the songs
06:49:29 <Lord_of_nothing> normally you "just" need soft for the upper body and ceramic plates for front and back
06:49:57 <Kuschelpony> perhaps we have very different use cases...
06:50:28 <Lord_of_nothing> The NIJ IV are theoretically banned for non mil use since the fall under the war good pararaph
06:51:02 <Lord_of_nothing> hmm when some stupid idot fire with an AK74 somewhere you currently be?
06:51:05 <Lord_of_nothing> thats my usecase
06:51:47 <Lord_of_nothing> sadly my gov ignore when some stuid idiot try to buy ammo for there ak47
06:52:05 <Lord_of_nothing> I also order a helmet
06:52:40 <Lord_of_nothing> this is the full set i have at home: https://www.zentauron.de/modules/gallerique/img/s/454.jpg
06:57:25 <Lord_of_nothing> Hopefully i dont need that...
07:01:30 <Lord_of_nothing> so geil:
07:01:31 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kp51XLL0x0M
07:06:36 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE70PHlgrlo
07:06:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Johnny Däpp - Lorenz Büffel - Official
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07:07:28 <Lord_of_nothing> hmm something with my internet today...
07:12:22 <Lord_of_nothing> lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUR8mWK0Pzk
07:12:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Adi Hetz 88 [Extended Version] | NEO MAGAZIN ROYALE mit Jan Böhmermann - ZDFneo
07:20:30 <hsn> Yuuuumy
07:20:40 <hsn> Black fungus
07:20:44 <hsn> Nom nom
07:20:57 <rust_collector> add soy sauce, and chilli.
07:21:38 <hsn> https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Rhino-Orbito-Cerebral-Mucormycosis-%3A-A-Case-Report-Mangoudi-Bourlidou/4d0482a24d0d7ffcb4ad7effbaf321f042921281
07:21:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - [PDF] Rhino-Orbito-Cerebral Mucormycosis : A Case Report and Review of the Literature | Semantic Scholar
07:22:45 <hsn> https://www.livemint.com/science/health/black-fungus-cases-in-covid-patients-are-rising-says-aiims-chief-warns-against-misuse-of-steroids-11621074258631.html
07:22:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - 'Black fungus' cases in Covid patients are rising, says AIIMS chief, warns against misuse of steroids
07:22:48 <rust_collector> see? I am sure they did not try soy sauce and chilli on that
07:23:12 <hsn> Its india u dont think they do chilli on all
07:23:13 <hsn> ?
07:23:36 <rust_collector> maybe they are immune, so they need anti-chilli
07:25:47 <hsn> The fungus are immune to chilli?
07:26:16 <rust_collector> probably?
07:29:47 <hsn> Occasionally
07:31:00 <rust_collector> well, I finished the neighbor kids pedal tractor trailer. I think it will be popular.
07:35:06 <Ysjoelfir> pics?
07:36:43 <MrMobodies> Hello
07:37:00 <MrMobodies> I am looking at this nokia phone given to me, it is a nokia one
07:37:13 <MrMobodies> and I have sony I am not using at the moment due to the same thing
07:37:57 <MrMobodies> can anyone tell me what this is?
07:38:03 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/s7EQf7r.jpg
07:38:26 <MrMobodies> it did on the Samsung J5 but when I turned animations it stopped doing it except for the build Chrome
07:39:47 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir no, i didn't really do anything. maybe tomorrow
07:40:25 <Ysjoelfir> aww, I am so curious :D But I think I can wait until tomorrow
07:41:31 <MrMobodies> actually sorry tha was the one with google
07:41:41 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/IU2Y3qd.jpg
07:41:46 <MrMobodies> oh
07:43:22 <rust_collector> eeh, I have no idea
07:47:03 <MrMobodies> that sort of thing really makes me loose my temper when I am trying to work
07:47:15 <MrMobodies> it is almost of there person who put that there thought of it as a toy
07:47:46 <MrMobodies> imagime if you are trying to work and I am covering up your vision
07:47:54 <MrMobodies> doing all these things in front
07:47:59 <MrMobodies> would that annoy you?
07:48:08 <MrMobodies> I think of as interference
07:48:24 <rust_collector> nah, being a driver, I am used to that
07:48:36 <MrMobodies> I see that is a joke
07:48:43 <MrMobodies> you are paying attention to the road
07:48:46 <rust_collector> well, to some degree
07:48:50 <MrMobodies> but drivers get in the way and other stuff
07:49:20 <rust_collector> yeah, and modern cars, or trucks wants to keep you from seeing things, and stuff
07:51:43 <MrMobodies> I was looking at firefox 88 and ESR 78
07:52:37 <rust_collector> I don't even know what number my burning cat browser has
07:52:42 <MrMobodies> look at the white spaces in the config
07:52:46 <MrMobodies> their new config
07:52:51 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/jvRTzZ2.jpg
07:53:20 <MrMobodies> and you get this annoying message everytime with no checkbox like the previous one
07:53:28 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/WjaysVQ.jpg
07:53:48 <MrMobodies> I go in there all the time well, the chrome://flags
07:54:08 <MrMobodies> oh and also when I went ot leabe feedback
07:54:33 <MrMobodies> if it is not COVID related I am not surprised
07:54:34 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/lLXuSks.jpg
07:55:22 <MrMobodies> some of the improvements, like the toggle button seems okay but putting in white spaces and make the fonts larger where I have scroll more is like two steps back
07:55:46 <MrMobodies> and their 404 error page that does have 404 on it offends me
07:56:17 <MrMobodies> on the other hand, well I can't blame them, they are volunateers
07:56:35 <MrMobodies> I think who make it
07:56:56 <MrMobodies> but I got the skin and menu looking a bit better to my standards
07:57:36 <MrMobodies> and like Vivaldi, no suggestions (google does history) and if I make a mistake in the url it doesn't do a search
07:58:33 <MrMobodies> I don't think the NokiaOne given to me has enough space for Arch linux, I don't see a sdcard slot in there
07:58:46 <MrMobodies> but the sony might
07:59:58 <rust_collector> I know a guy who put.... was it alpine? on a sony. I think it was
08:02:16 <MrMobodies> that's nice I'll take a look
08:02:17 <MrMobodies> oh dear
08:02:24 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/x84QM4V.jpg
08:02:30 <MrMobodies> that's why it was given to me
08:02:44 <MrMobodies> the person who owned it lost the tray and shoved a sim in the there
08:02:52 <MrMobodies> and wondered why it wouldn't work
08:03:00 <rust_collector> aaahahaa, perfect
08:03:20 <MrMobodies> she said she did it to another phone when she left it out confused
08:03:27 <MrMobodies> but through them in the bin
08:05:20 <MrMobodies> what I could do
08:05:21 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/113594510304
08:05:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Nokia 7.1 2018 Ta - 1100 Dual Sim + Memory Card Tray Holder (Black) | eBay
08:05:28 <MrMobodies> order one, but a bit glue on it
08:05:37 <MrMobodies> and see if I can get it out that way
08:06:12 <rust_collector> uhm, you don't need the original tray to glue the card...
08:06:19 <rust_collector> but yes, get that
08:06:46 <MrMobodies> I suppose I could cut in half seeing it is ontop
08:06:47 <rust_collector> is this one of the glued together phones?
08:07:11 <MrMobodies> no just one given to me
08:07:23 <MrMobodies> that is no longer wanted due to them sticking a sim in there
08:07:26 <MrMobodies> I couldn't get it out
08:07:43 <rust_collector> yes, but is it glued shut? ie can you not take the phone apart?
08:07:56 <MrMobodies> but if the microsd is onto then cutting the tray might fit
08:08:52 <rust_collector> find some plastic sheet stuff, and see how much space you have in there
08:12:28 <rust_collector> and I think sim cards are styrene, so maybe try ice cream tub material, and model kit glue? it will "weld" it self to the card, and probably not everything else in there?
08:13:18 <MrMobodies> I tried a credit card but too thick
08:13:34 <MrMobodies> I managed to get it near half way with this tiny 1ml drill bit
08:13:38 <MrMobodies> then that snapped
08:13:40 <MrMobodies> and it fell back in
08:13:56 <MrMobodies> I can get stuff ontop but it just slides out
08:14:11 <MrMobodies> model kit glue that's an idea i;ll thry that
08:14:23 <MrMobodies> but I think I damaged some of the pins
08:14:26 <MrMobodies> in the process
08:14:42 <rust_collector> if you can line up a plastic piece on the end of the sim, I guess it should be able to wiggle out of there
08:15:04 <MrMobodies> I'll give it another go when the tray gets here
08:15:11 <MrMobodies> I ordered two incase i break one
08:15:24 <MrMobodies> I am going wait for the Sony to charge up
08:15:35 <MrMobodies> and see if I can get rid of the crap os on there
08:15:43 <MrMobodies> that one is worse
08:15:57 <MrMobodies> it puts overlays on things
08:16:21 <MrMobodies> they seem worth a lot of money but they mean nothing to me when they are like that
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10:58:18 <Halcyon> I should put pants on, it's cold
10:58:50 <steve30> its cold outside here
10:58:53 <steve30> i've had the heating on
10:59:13 <DHess_US> Was going to try and put this to use, but it is surprisingly difficult to find a USB audio interface with 2 line inputs, https://www.roomeqwizard.com/index.html#
10:59:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - REW - Room EQ Wizard Room Acoustics Software
11:00:02 * steve30 is bored
11:01:59 <Halcyon> I need to go shopping. I'm out of dishwashing powder
11:02:03 <Halcyon> But I can't be bothered
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11:08:54 <steve30> i've done some braising steak. I'll have that later on this morning i think
11:20:32 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
11:40:54 <Ampera> I think I might just have to throw in the towel with Xen
11:41:12 <Ampera> everything works beautifully, but disk I/O on FreeBSD is unusably slow
11:41:46 <Ampera> starting to think it's just FreeBSD having a bug in the Xen paravirt shit that's causing it, one which will probably never get fixed
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12:30:37 * Halcyon gropes Ampera
12:30:47 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
12:30:49 <Halcyon> :D
12:30:49 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
12:30:57 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK. Tired. I didn't sleep well
12:31:02 <Ampera> good
12:31:06 <Halcyon> Fuck you too
12:31:07 <Ampera> I like you tired and miserable
12:31:11 <MrMobodies> I just woke up just now
12:31:25 <Ampera> I'm tired too
12:31:28 <Ampera> might go to bed soon
12:31:34 <MrMobodies> after eating some ice cream I started seeing weired things and fell asleep
12:31:36 <Halcyon> It's midday here, not bed time
12:32:22 <MrMobodies> Just reading above I had issue with slow drive performance a couple of months ago
12:32:35 <MrMobodies> and it turned out to be the stripe size I set the raid
12:33:36 <MrMobodies> I had one small SSD for (onboard sata) for the vm stuff and raid for the virtual machine storage
12:34:12 <MrMobodies> so I experimented with the stripe size and noticed the performance can vary
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12:34:39 <MrMobodies> I'll see if I can find t
12:34:52 <Ampera> No, because the performance is only with the VM
12:34:55 <Ampera> the host has no problems
12:37:32 <steve30> i haven't slept well either
12:37:38 * Halcyon curls up with Steve
12:38:38 <steve30> :)
12:39:29 <MrMobodies> aah so it only does it Xen
12:39:35 <MrMobodies> that's a shame
12:40:01 <MrMobodies> I mean the virtual machine in Xen
12:41:20 <MrMobodies> I think it was a mistake eating that chocolate ice cream
12:41:31 <MrMobodies> I had quarter of a small tub
12:41:35 <MrMobodies> and had a sugar rush
12:42:02 <MrMobodies> I can I will have a couple of pickled onions and some tea
12:45:46 <Ampera> Aye, I had three massive bowls of cereal
12:46:02 <Ampera> whenever I decide to eat cereal I always end up taking it too far
12:48:18 <Halcyon> Are you cereal Ampera?
12:48:19 <Halcyon> :P
12:49:50 <Ampera> Halcyon, you thicker than a bowl of oatmeal
12:50:20 <steve30> perhaps i should go to bed
12:50:27 <Ampera> Halcyon, you should watch the Eurovision Song Context, it's a gay ol' time
12:50:37 <Halcyon> Ampera, electrohead just showed me a photo of his new bedsheets. You would love them.
12:50:47 <Ampera> er wha
12:50:52 <Halcyon> Ampera, I've been gay for a long time.... no shit sherlock
12:51:15 <Ampera> you heard it here first, folks, Halcyon admitting he's old
12:51:42 <Halcyon> Mid 30's is not old you dizzy queen
12:51:43 <electrohead> Ampera: I sent you a picture. Enjoy \o/
12:51:46 <Halcyon> Secondly, I came out when I was 14
12:51:57 <Ampera> sent me one where
12:52:17 <Ampera> buh
12:52:20 <Ampera> you people and your signal
12:52:20 <steve30> I seem to be getting older
12:52:29 <Halcyon> Ampera: Normal people use phones
12:52:29 <electrohead> to your number you have registered with signal app
12:52:42 <Halcyon> If you don't like it, why not install the Linux application?
12:52:49 <Ampera> Halcyon, my phone doesn't work with signal
12:52:59 <Ampera> it only works with 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 0, and the hook
12:53:11 <Halcyon> Also, I use Signal because calls are free and Whatsapp sucks
12:53:34 <Ampera> yeah, but you can't pulse dial into signal
12:53:50 <Halcyon> No, no you can't
12:54:05 <Halcyon> Although if you want to play with your PBX... I should probably get mine working again and I can install the application on my phone
12:54:23 <Ampera> my PBX is currently disabled because the machine it's in is too unstable
12:54:24 * steve30 pets his asterisk
12:54:41 <Ampera> it is in is
12:54:46 <Ampera> I love it when that happens in english
12:55:03 <MrMobodies> too unstable?
12:55:21 <MrMobodies> is it heat or anything power related?
12:55:30 <Halcyon> User error :P
12:55:32 <Ampera> for a variety of reasons, it keeps falling into scenarios where either a red alarm will happen on one of the lines, or the machine just crashes
12:55:35 <Ampera> all of the above
12:55:45 <Ampera> the wiring is absolute shit
12:55:54 <Halcyon> Mark Rober is so hot
12:56:12 <Ampera> can you stop being straight for one damn second, Halcyon. Please, be gay for once.
12:56:21 <Halcyon> :P
12:56:30 <Halcyon> Are you ever not a cunt Ampera?
12:56:44 <Ampera> only when I leave
12:56:51 <MrMobodies> enjoying a lovelly cup of tea
12:56:52 <Halcyon> Love you
12:56:57 <Ampera> das rite
12:57:02 <Ampera> what sort, MrMobodies
12:57:16 <Ampera> I need to drink more tea, I just tend to be too lazy to get off my ass and go make it
12:57:17 <MrMobodies> It is clipper organic decaffeinated
12:57:55 <Ampera> I have a bunch of different teas, with fruit flavors, earl grey mixes, green tea things
12:58:03 <Ampera> I think I must have a dozen different varieties of tea
12:58:15 <MrMobodies> https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/clipper-organic-decaf-everyday-tea-x80-tea-bags-250g
12:58:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sainsbury's online Grocery Shopping and Fresh Food Delivery
12:58:20 <steve30> "In August 2020, during a video filming sharks in the Bahamas, Rober revealed that he tested positive for COVID-19, delaying production of his video."
12:58:29 <MrMobodies> I do like another one called Lapsung
12:58:36 <steve30> mmm, infectious
12:58:45 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm popping next door for drinks and lunch
12:58:53 <Halcyon> Back later lovely people... and Ampera
12:58:59 <Ampera> have fun Halcyon, don't catch cholera
12:59:01 <Ampera> or do
12:59:03 <Ampera> I don't really care
12:59:10 * Halcyon coughs the COVID at Ampera
12:59:14 <MrMobodies> https://www.twinings.co.uk/tea/black-tea/lapsang-souchong-50-tea-bags
12:59:15 <Ampera> vaccinated
12:59:15 <EEVBot> [Title] -
12:59:21 <MrMobodies> they don't always have in the supermarketrsw
12:59:29 <Ampera> MrMobodies, all of my tea is stash brand
12:59:30 <Halcyon> It's the special kind that is immune to 5G vaccination
12:59:33 <MrMobodies> spicy smokey stuff
12:59:33 <Ampera> er, most of it
12:59:38 <MrMobodies> ooh
12:59:39 <Ampera> I have a few varieties that aren't
12:59:56 <Ampera> I think I wrote down what I had somewhere, let me look for it
13:00:09 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.sg/Stash-Fruity-Herbal-Assortment-Variety/dp/B005Q8BIK2
13:00:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Stash Tea, Fruity Herbal Tea Six Flavor Assortment, 116 Count Tea Bags in Foil (Pack of 6 boxes of 18-20 bags each) Variety of Herbal Tisane: Amazon.sg: Grocery & Gourmet Food
13:00:18 <MrMobodies> wow that's twinings use to look like in the 1990's
13:00:33 <MrMobodies> and they had many fruity spicy teas where the Lapsung was one of them
13:01:49 <MrMobodies> intensive flour, I don't get that much but thats the feedback
13:02:34 <MrMobodies> Ampera, what's your next voice of virtual machine?
13:02:46 <Ampera> choice?
13:02:51 <Ampera> of hypervisor?
13:02:57 <MrMobodies> yes
13:03:04 <MrMobodies> oops wrong words I choose attimes
13:03:31 <Ampera> I'm trying a few more things with Xen, might put out a forum post, but if I have to abandon it, I'll either try bhyve, or ditch FreeBSD for Linux and use KVM
13:05:13 <MrMobodies> I have that bhyve somewhere
13:05:18 <MrMobodies> oop *seen
13:05:55 <Ampera> Peach black tea, ginger peach green tea and matcha, pomegranate raspberry green tea and matcha, mango passionfruit herbal, earl grey, and double bergamot earl grey
13:06:01 <Ampera> is the set of stash teas I have
13:06:03 <Ampera> also orange spice
13:06:34 <MrMobodies> https://omnios.org/info/bhyve oh not the same one I was thinking off
13:06:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - bhyve Hypervisor
13:06:49 <MrMobodies> orange spice sounds nice
13:07:06 <Ampera> it's decent, it's cinnamon and orange mostly
13:07:10 <MrMobodies> you seem to have more choice than I do in he local shops
13:07:23 <MrMobodies> they seem to sell pretty much the same things from different brands
13:08:01 <Ampera> The local Ocean State Job Lot (hard to explain, basically an outlet store, but for more than one brand) has a lot of choice
13:08:03 <MrMobodies> I'll see if I can order some online
13:08:21 <Ampera> If you ever want me to send you some tea that I might be able to find locally, just let me know
13:08:35 <Ampera> in the event it's too expensive for a company to ship it to you
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13:09:20 <Nothing\> hola
13:09:29 <Ampera> fuck you Nothing\
13:09:32 <Ampera> and I was just about to go to bed
13:09:37 <Ampera> now I have to stay and talk with you >:D
13:09:47 <Nothing\> lol don't you hate it when that happens?
13:10:01 <Ampera> don't worry, I don't have a soul
13:10:01 <Nothing\> you can go to bed though. Don't gotta stay up on my account.
13:10:11 <Ampera> don't tell me what to do, you're not my mom
13:10:19 <Nothing\> I'm just in here to kill like 10-15 minutes while I make a hungry man
13:10:30 <Nothing\> umm umm
13:10:32 <Ampera> I used to have those every so often, now I really just don't like them
13:10:45 <Ampera> there's fuck all to them and they taste like absolutely nothing
13:10:45 <Nothing\> play pachinko in a safe and responsible manner!
13:10:57 * Nothing\ shrugs
13:11:11 <Ampera> play dick pachinko, competitively, whoever can jizz down someone's chest and reach their crotch wins
13:11:23 <Nothing\> yeah i don't like a lot of them but these are good
13:11:48 <Ampera> Nothing\, did you get vaccinated yet?
13:11:55 <Nothing\> fried chicken, gravy, cheese, mashed potatoes
13:12:07 <Nothing\> not yet, i'm scheduled for tuesday apparently
13:12:12 <Ampera> nice
13:12:20 <Ampera> I'm fully vaccinated as of wednesday
13:12:27 <Nothing\> i found out there's an exception cuz i'm diabetic again
13:12:43 <Nothing\> otherwise i'd have to wait cuz it's only 65+ right now
13:13:02 <MrMobodies> no vaccination for me yet but I don't want take them if I don't have to
13:13:10 <MrMobodies> I am bit paranoid something could happen
13:13:29 <Ampera> you'd have better luck slipping, falling and cracking your head open on the pavement
13:13:38 <Nothing\> yeah i was thinking i'd rather wait until the government gives the second dose within the 3 weeks recommended
13:14:03 <Ampera> anyways, I am really gonna go to bed now
13:14:04 <Ampera> good night
13:14:12 * DogWomble tucks Ampera in
13:14:18 <MrMobodies> oh night
13:14:19 <Nothing\> where ours is doing 4 months. Probably so they can appear to have vaccinated more people if they get more people their first dose
13:14:27 <MrMobodies> I was watching this when I fell asleep
13:14:27 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkKyqk1YQ60
13:14:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: EEVblog 1395 - Onkyo Repair SUCCESS
13:14:35 <Nothing\> Ampera, night dude. Have a good one.
13:14:38 <MrMobodies> joke, Dave Jones can do some really good bed time stories
13:14:51 <Nothing\> hey i have an onkyo amp here
13:14:59 <Nothing\> I was gonna take it apart
13:15:16 <MrMobodies> same issue with the vacuum tube?
13:15:37 <Nothing\> nope, i just have no use for it
13:15:49 <MrMobodies> 10 years I could not read or unstable schematics too well or the symbols
13:16:04 <MrMobodies> thanks to Dave Jones and this place, I can understand them a bit
13:16:14 <MrMobodies> and it's quite simple
13:16:29 <MrMobodies> *oops unstable I mean understand
13:16:44 <Nothing\> yeah actually when i came into electronics 4 years ago or so i had absolutely no problem reading circuit diagrams thanks to bigclive and dave
13:16:48 <MrMobodies> I was told by local college, people don't need to understand them anymore
13:17:20 <MrMobodies> and that we don't repair tv's which was the college did in the 80's they just throw them away and buy new ones
13:17:36 <MrMobodies> Bullshit, I am still using my 2006 HP LP2065 monotirs
13:17:37 <Nothing\> and screwing around in paul falstad's circuit simulator, circuitmod
13:17:44 <MrMobodies> and I'd want to repair them if they break
13:17:50 <MrMobodies> oooh lovely
13:17:54 <MrMobodies> my favourite
13:18:08 <MrMobodies> and it seems it is still being maintained
13:18:11 <Nothing\> oh i know, it's been one of the best tools for me learning
13:18:15 <Nothing\> yup
13:18:30 <Nothing\> https://lushprojects.com/circuitjs/circuitjs.html
13:18:31 <EEVBot> [Title] -
13:18:48 <Nothing\> many more parts and examples
13:19:03 <Nothing\> like they have realistic op amps
13:19:31 <MrMobodies> Is that your website?
13:19:37 <Nothing\> i wish
13:19:40 <MrMobodies> I remembered your showing me some things
13:19:43 <MrMobodies> oh
13:20:12 <MrMobodies> fullscreen
13:20:18 <MrMobodies> https://falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html
13:20:19 <EEVBot> [Title] -
13:20:27 <Nothing\> no, i have no website. Just YouTube.
13:20:35 <MrMobodies> it also works well on my phone but very hard to pinch zoom
13:20:47 <Nothing\> yeah i found that too.
13:20:52 <MrMobodies> ohh I have something for you
13:21:07 <MrMobodies> I don't understand how to implement logic if the controller is not present
13:21:12 <MrMobodies> or make something equivalent
13:22:14 <Nothing\> you can make various logic output generators or custom sequence etc
13:22:23 <MrMobodies> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/bought-some-old-speakers-from-ebay-heres-what-i-found-inside/
13:22:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bought some old speakers from ebay - here's what I found inside - Page 1
13:22:30 <Nothing\> or you can do it real time with switches
13:22:44 <Nothing\> okay time for hungry man
13:22:47 <Nothing\> brb
13:22:58 <MrMobodies> now I slipped the circuit board and traced the diagram see next page
13:23:13 <MrMobodies> https://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html?ctz=CQAgjCAMB0l3BWKswDZ0A4BMYDMAWfAdiIE59UFcQtIQl9qEBTAWjDACgAbEV01CAF9hWfHToQJPPqnwhxdDHUVRwayJwDus+atZyQuBFijbdRkyEPHTmgMbX5t8GFMuJseFK8+4XRw53KzQ6D2R4SD8oiKjOACcaDAwjUyxk8HS1MHgEpJS3FPSi8WzcnUNDZSczCvlqhuk6oUFq4U1m0JBqro6asEJuyUG+w0KhzJS+8ZnB8emsgfkl8BHzGdRh5c3ayZbV+Xb1xbcD1ztjlJ7B6oWUscHDPuLUmkgU3AudWhT8IvfwDtngCuiteuZqqoxCo4LsXlDSqo+uxBFgi
13:23:14 <MrMobodies> KYUeBSF8jKgrp8FGhugS+tdDoIVn1hCthEcdLTWnQ6QoCRg-gpYWypuZDD9zm9uTogpZTMK+c8Mi4uh5zC8XPDYRKClksAgKVlnmq9qrUei4Vq0RiiYbduNqVknjz5HyxkDOI5MWBsXwiZTYv5YtEAi6KYNMe13TEYB7g3EdP7BJj2ciiez+IJo+Z4woUsnmY6-Q95MisxYdbsDNatcn88jRMXRKU7vyzYJq1U6JahVlGhNSUoOzVRvJKs4LgA3GoEvkktSlagSZAIcwE3CQPv8voE4VjU5L0WnVlNV5x2OC-KvT5hHFHw+0M7riYExPNgqnGYaq38npr2Xj+eHj-dvbs+bmX9ZL+zp9EBRoUsBb5hB+cpfrKkrQRk0JwvB1qSlYwIfGkAKJkAA
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13:24:36 <MrMobodies> I don' know how to implement something similar to that F 4013BPC in the tracers above
13:27:11 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/Nd253ZY.jpg
14:29:18 <MrMobodies> I have a question if anybody knows
14:29:24 <MrMobodies> I forgot something
14:29:46 <MrMobodies> what is the wildcard name in dos for the current folder?
14:48:12 <MrMobodies> I think I misunderstand again, it is path variable.
14:48:14 <MrMobodies> silly me
14:48:15 <MrMobodies> https://ss64.com/nt/syntax-variables.html
14:48:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Windows Environment Variables - Windows CMD - SS64.com
14:48:20 <MrMobodies> %cd%
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17:58:20 <Lemon> me happy, I tried my new ac/dc clamp, works fine :> and its decently sensible, when I move by 100ma on my load I see a 0.1mv increase/decrease
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20:08:44 <Ysjoelfir> weee
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20:08:56 <T3sl4> \o/
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20:35:03 <hsn> Ysjoelfir,
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20:44:04 <Ysjoelfir> hsn
20:44:27 <hsn> whats with this w/m/? thing in germany :D
20:44:43 <hsn> they have "dick pussy" cocktail thingy
20:44:52 <hsn> divers
20:44:53 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/nxYpBpPnyaedn5tw7
20:46:22 <hsn> m / w / a ============= m /w / d =============== m /w / gn ============= m/w/i ========= m/w/x
20:46:27 <hsn> too many confusion
20:47:27 <Ysjoelfir> yep. we feel the urge to have a category for everything here. at first it was straight, lesbian/gay and transexual. now we have LGBTQASFHAWFOIHJAWIFPAWJPFO+ or something like that, to just make sure that no special sexuality feels left out because of political correctness. which is, at first glance, not the worst idea. but it turns out that, combined with this gender equality thing, naming everything by every possible way ends up in even
20:47:28 <Ysjoelfir> longer, more complicated sentences that nobody understands anymore, which resulted in many things being written with (m/w/whatever) at the end, to indicate that realy everyone is meant.
20:47:57 <hsn> someone has to rework on the catagories
20:48:00 <Ysjoelfir> you know, like before, when we didn't do any of this things but basically everyone knew that everyone was meant.
20:48:03 <Ysjoelfir> yep
20:48:28 <Ysjoelfir> but that won't happen, because people will get upset A LOT
20:49:04 <hsn> u cannot unupset everyone ..
20:49:13 <hsn> there is always someone who is grimpy
20:49:19 <Ysjoelfir> tell that our political correctnes warriors
20:49:20 <hsn> grumpy ?
20:49:32 <hsn> u need some of us
20:49:37 <hsn> dectators <3
20:49:38 <hsn> lol
20:50:18 <hsn> it should be H instead of w/m/x
20:50:23 <hsn> H = human
20:50:55 <hsn> because it doesnt make sense to put every catagory while u have 1 catagory that union them all ..
20:52:12 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D I personally prefer the old way, where everythign had its gender and it was good that way. you know, for that preference I was often called out already, like "oh, now immagine eg. a mayor would have been female all the time, being called... eg "mayorine". now a man becomes mayor and we just stay with "mr. Mayorine".".. to which I always respond with: if it would have been that way, then I would be fine with it. stop bothering me?
20:52:29 <Ysjoelfir> exactly, I would love for that to be just Human :D that would be a great solution
20:53:44 <hsn> so Halcyon isnt here anymore ? he rarly joins
20:54:13 <hsn> i wanted to ask him for his opinion about some incident in here
20:55:24 <Ysjoelfir> afaik he is a bit occupied. probably Ampera can say more bout it?
20:55:32 <Ampera> wha
20:55:35 <Ampera> oh god
20:55:46 <Ampera> are you people trying to make sense of reality again?
20:56:00 <Ysjoelfir> yes. but hsn was actually only asking where Halcyon is :D
20:56:34 <hsn> Ampera, imagine reality
20:56:47 <Ampera> oh
20:56:58 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera
20:57:03 <Ampera> he's usually up during the morning and evening over there
20:57:19 <hsn> EEVBot, time Halcyon
20:57:20 <EEVBot> It is currently 2021/05/22 20:57:19 where Halcyon resides.
20:57:21 <Ampera> it's currently 9PM where he lives, so he could be out partying or sucking dick or something else
20:57:45 <hsn> he is cocking :D ?
20:57:48 <hsn> cooking
20:57:55 <T3sl4> you're jealous your dick isn't getting sucked
20:58:12 <hsn> me or ampera or both together ? T3sl4 ^
20:58:25 <Ampera> I do not want my dick sucked
20:58:25 <Ampera> ever
20:58:28 <Ampera> get out of my house
20:58:38 <T3sl4> with a leech i mean
20:58:45 <hsn> Ampera, T3sl4 can create u vacuum dick sucker
20:59:06 * DogWomble peers in
20:59:06 <Ampera> I could probably make one too, the point is I do not want one
20:59:18 * Ampera launches an adorable bunny at DogWomble
20:59:22 <hsn> valves that opens ur dick to pressure / vacuum chambers
20:59:27 <hsn> u set the speed
20:59:47 <DogWomble> awwww cute widdle bunny wabbit
20:59:49 <hsn> and PWM
21:00:03 <T3sl4> pulse girth modulation
21:00:31 * Ysjoelfir wabbits DogWomble
21:00:32 <hsn> T3sl4, one feature that u need to work on .. is it should detect the sperm and open the vacuum chamber for it .. not the pressure
21:00:43 <hsn> unless u like u sperm to go back to dick ..
21:00:59 <T3sl4> you're putting an awful lot of thought into this hsn
21:01:00 <DogWomble> Ysjoelfir, duck season!
21:01:26 <hsn> T3sl4, u noticed ? it looks like i did my research on it allready
21:01:28 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
21:02:42 * T3sl4 gives Ysjoelfir a Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog
21:03:41 * Ysjoelfir trades that one for one of Tír na nÓg
21:07:48 * T3sl4 puts it down beside Yggdrasil to frolic
21:07:55 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
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21:18:55 <T3sl4> Halcyon: fren hold a birb https://gfycat.com/sentimentallittlechevrotain-dog-gently-holds-bird-on-their-paw
21:18:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - WATCH: This Adorable Dog Offered Their Paw And Gently Held Their Owner's Pet ...... | Gfycat
21:22:26 <hsn> whats the liquid these repair shop put on brushes to clean boards .. just alcohol ?
21:25:00 <T3sl4> ethanol, propanol or acetone most likely
21:25:06 <T3sl4> or a blend with other things aka rosin remover
21:25:43 <hsn> isopropyl / ethanol / propanol .. should i feel ashamed for not knowing all these ?
21:26:08 <Ysjoelfir> its alcohol that you can't/shouldn't drink.
21:26:11 <hsn> https://manamamedical.com/products/isopropyl-alcohol-99-9
21:26:13 <EEVBot> [Title] -
21:26:15 <hsn> fck this :)
21:27:27 <T3sl4> ethanol being the one that you shouldn't, the others being can't ;)
21:27:44 <T3sl4> do doo do do do
21:27:51 <hsn> T3sl4, for me .. i shouldnt all of alcohols
21:27:52 <hsn> :D
21:27:57 <T3sl4> seems weird seeing a medical company of such a name
21:27:58 <Ysjoelfir> well... you CAN drink IPA.... but you definitely should not do that :D
21:28:29 <T3sl4> IPA is metabolized to acetone which evaporates...it's surprisingly nontoxic, but not particularly intoxicating, or pleasantly so
21:29:22 <Ysjoelfir> one thing you definitely should never do (i tried...) is using IPA as burning alcohol
21:29:27 <hsn> if u drink it what happens ? ur body water converts to sand ?
21:29:40 <Ysjoelfir> the fumes make you very dizzy
21:29:58 <T3sl4> really? IPA burns just fine, but you oughta use the 90+%
21:31:41 <Ysjoelfir> yep, it does burn perfect. I have used it in my alcohol lamps, but I noticed that, after a while of using those in a closed room, I got very dizzy. I came to the conclusion that it must be the IPA, as I never had any problems when I used them with Spiritus (ethanol afaik)
21:31:59 <T3sl4> hm
21:32:24 <T3sl4> only other thing i could think is if it's making CO, which shouldn't be if it's burning perfect
21:33:11 <Ysjoelfir> well, it burns with a blue flame. so it should be close to perfect. but the same does the ethanol, which did not result in those problems.
21:33:20 <hsn> so whhich one should be used to clean PCB .. IPA , ethanol , propanol ? any doesnt matter ?
21:33:33 <Ysjoelfir> MAYBE they added some stuff to the IPA that results in this effect, I dunno, but its 99.9%.... so.... meh
21:33:38 <hsn> i mean i heared even ipa should be 90%+ so it doesnt corrode stuff
21:33:40 <Ysjoelfir> I just don't burn it anymore^^
21:34:00 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, try heptane :P
21:34:17 <Ysjoelfir> but yes, every of those work fine as long as they are a very high percentage
21:34:52 <hsn> too many names are confusing Ysjoelfir
21:35:39 <hsn> and these brushes can be tooth brush or special for ESD ?
21:35:45 <T3sl4> heptanes mmm good for your liver
21:36:21 <T3sl4> there's probably enough water in those solvents that it's not an ESD hazard
21:36:48 <Ysjoelfir> I still miss Tri.
21:37:27 <hsn> T3sl4, what will the water do .. dissipate the esd energy into many pins ?
21:37:37 <hsn> of an ic ?
21:39:17 <T3sl4> you seem to be misunderstanding where esd comes from in context of a brush and PCB
21:40:17 <hsn> if the brush was on table not on pcb it self .. then ur first touch .. ?
21:40:45 <T3sl4> the brush isn't metal bristles
21:41:23 <hsn> does esd charge only get into metal objects ?
21:42:25 <T3sl4> uh because they conduct? better question how do they get into insulators!
21:42:31 <hsn> i mean .. i set on my sofa .. i get up .. im charged .. im not metal my sofa isnt metal ? im not safe right ?
21:42:58 <T3sl4> well, you're metal for purposes of ESD, but your clothes aren't
21:43:48 <hsn> ermmm
21:44:12 <hsn> so u saying insulators are esd safe?
21:45:03 <T3sl4> they can be
21:46:11 <hsn> so the brush with non metal bristles can have triboelectric charge from table .. no ?
21:46:57 <hsn> but u say ::: it wont do much esd energy discharge because its insulator ?
21:47:41 <DHess_US> If the voltage is high enough, then insulators become conductors.
21:48:09 <T3sl4> if you sit there stroking the table with a brush, you deserve whatever ESD damage you get :D
21:48:36 <T3sl4> also if it's on a ESD mat, everything is moderately grounded, a moot point, especially for metal handle brushes, tweezers etc
21:49:52 <hsn> stroking table with brush = putting brush on table ?
21:50:01 <hsn> exuse my lack of english
21:51:13 <hsn> there was a video of guy putting acrylic charged insulator on esd mat and it doesnt get grounded
21:51:23 <hsn> let me find it
21:51:44 <T3sl4> putting it down and picking it up isn't making a lot of triboelectricity dude
21:53:42 <hsn> fair enough .. if u have esd mat
21:54:21 <hsn> but just care .. if u have brush from "outside esd mat area" .. put it first on esd mat .. then take it off again .. ?
21:56:21 <hsn> T3sl4, this video scared me https://youtu.be/sFqedlvMm6k?t=411
21:56:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Funny video on ESD
21:58:06 <T3sl4> well yeah
21:58:27 <T3sl4> you charge an insulator, you discharge it before use
21:58:58 <hsn> how do u discharge it with esd mat if it is insulator ?
21:59:16 <hsn> https://youtu.be/da4LZ9pPHbQ?t=63
21:59:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: ESD CONTROL: Conductors & Non-Conductors
21:59:19 <hsn> ^ here
21:59:29 <T3sl4> rub it with a conductive mat?
21:59:38 <hsn> he put the acrylic into esd mat .. doesnt discahrge
21:59:53 <hsn> T3sl4, hmmm ok .. make sense .. ^
22:00:44 <T3sl4> if you got something pathologically charged and just wiping it down doesn't clear it, maybe consider not bringing it into the work area?
22:03:23 <DHess_US> <hsn> how do u discharge it with esd mat if it is insulator ?
22:03:45 <DHess_US> You don't. Under those conditions, ESD is suppressed using ionization.
22:04:19 <DHess_US> That is also why adding extra Teflon surfaces when insulation is needed can make things worse.
22:05:03 <hsn> DHess_US, <ionization> thats the rubber material between "back of esd mat which is conductive grounded" and top part ?
22:06:23 <DHess_US> That that only keeps the ESD mat surface and metal objects which can discharge through it from charging to ESD levels.
22:06:37 <DHess_US> For insulators which become charged, you need something like this, https://www.amazon.com/YUCHENGTECH-Powerful-Ionizing-Benchtop-Elimination/dp/B07Q4H41VW
22:06:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
22:06:54 <DHess_US> http://desco.descoindustries.com/ionization/Ionizers.htm
22:06:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - Desco - ESD Control Ionizer - Neutralize Electrostatic Discharge
22:07:27 <DHess_US> Laminar flow benches often have them built in.
22:08:15 <hsn> these are not good for breathing right ?
22:09:04 <DHess_US> https://www.amazon.com/Static-Eliminator/s?k=Static+Eliminator
22:09:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sorry! Something went wrong!
22:09:13 <DHess_US> hsn, they don't generate ozone.
22:09:31 <hsn> ah
22:09:32 <DHess_US> Or at least not much.
22:10:09 <DHess_US> They release electrons and positive ions which recombine after a while.
22:10:21 <DHess_US> But the total charge released is neutral.
22:10:46 <DHess_US> The result is that they "short out" charge on insulators removing it.
22:11:43 <hsn> i see ..
22:39:19 <rust_collector> lalala mooor-ning
22:40:11 <T3sl4> lo rusticles
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