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00:04 <rust_collector> yes!
03:00 Quit: EEVBot ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
03:18 <rust_collector> lalallalaaaa, party time!
08:50 <electrohead> o/
10:55 <rust_collector> oh crap
27:30 <T3sl4> you gotta fight, for your right, to paaaaaaaartay
27:39 <T3sl4> *marx breakdancing*
28:40 <rust_collector> those crazy germans...
29:00 <electrohead> lmfao
29:09 * electrohead throws sushi at everyone
29:49 * Ysjoelfir peels off that algae stuff and eats whats left
31:16 * rust_collector wraps his sushi in smelly trout, and puts it behind the fridge
32:23 <electrohead> :p
34:23 <rust_collector> ok, so today we have this thing: https://ibb.co/qFc7NJC
34:45 <rust_collector> that exists. I hope it was very very cheap
36:37 <electrohead> what is it?
36:59 <rust_collector> the thing for a hid headlight thing thing
38:12 <rust_collector> I mean, it is the thing you wire up between the door handle, and the door bell button
39:00 <electrohead> ahh
39:23 <T3sl4> it'll work for either
40:43 <rust_collector> I think I have 5 of these. 2 pairs, and this one. but none of them are exactly the same, lol
52:27 <T3sl4> DHess_US: https://i.imgur.com/tDm1VXE.jpg
53:19 <DHess_US> See, that is why I avoid Oaklahoma.
54:03 <coppice> T3sl4: It doesn't include the obligatory "no weirdos"
57:26 <coppice> T3sl4: this seems like a perfectly normal thing for HK. There are large buildings designed specifically to allow dragons to have a good view of the sea
58:50 <T3sl4> it's not a problem civil engineers would be required to handle, in a land locked city far from mountains
58:55 <T3sl4> so i can understand his concern
02:40 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
23:17 <Ampera> ZNC going down for a bit as I move servers, nobody say anything mean about me or Lemon while we're gone
23:26 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in
23:27 Quit: Ampera ([email protected]) Quit: Like a fart in an elevator, my transgressions are soon forgotten
23:39 <Ysjoelfir> gnihihi, finally those fucktards are gone!
23:40 <rust_collector> lemon is
23:47 <rust_collector> uh
25:27 <rust_collector> you know
26:42 <Ysjoelfir> yes. exactly that
27:13 <rust_collector> this would be a nice day to take a nap...
34:10 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: good riddance, that rust guy sure is an assh
34:13 <T3sl4> oh, hi rust_collector
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35:13 <Ampera> And we're back.
35:37 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera tentacularly
35:40 <Ampera> Only thing left to move is my weechat client
36:50 <T3sl4> why not move it to console
36:57 <T3sl4> wiichat port
37:22 <Ampera> because genesis does what nintendon't
38:44 <Ampera> hahahahaha
38:59 <coppice> weechat sounds like piss taking
39:00 <T3sl4> did anyone write linux for saturn? seems like it would be powerful enough, but fuck if i know how to deal with the asymmetrical processors
39:26 <Ampera> the server channel thing (root channel or whatever) created a 4.8GB log in my .weechat/logs folder
39:45 <coppice> T3sl4: would it need Saturnian language support, or something?
39:53 <T3sl4> tho saturn doesn't have much for networking, right? so, dreamcast would be the next best, and i think that's a thing already
40:25 <T3sl4> coppice: if it does eunuch odes, it's fine
40:45 <T3sl4> Ampera: so it was weeing in the corner, makes sense
41:20 <Ampera> I think I've also managed something almost impossible
41:29 <Ampera> I've managed to remember how to do a tar command without looking it up
41:46 <T3sl4> wat
44:33 <electrohead> tar xvf <filename>
44:44 <electrohead> tar cvf tar.tar <files>
44:53 <Ampera> aye
44:59 <Ampera> well I've been doing xvfp
45:01 <Ampera> but close enough
45:04 <electrohead> lol
52:14 <electrohead> ahh, p is for preserving permissions
52:23 <electrohead> yeah maybe I should start using that, too
55:52 * T3sl4 preserves electrohead's persimmons
56:29 * electrohead fixes T3sl4's fingers
56:47 * T3sl4 perseveres electrohead's permissions
56:56 <electrohead> lol
56:57 <electrohead> goof :p
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06:05 <Ampera> Lots of work seems to have been put into weechat-android as of recent
06:09 <Ampera> lots of new features
06:30 <Ampera> and with that, everything has been moved off my server
06:38 <Ampera> *old server
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08:53 <electrohead> I only use the weechat relay on my android phone
12:30 <Ampera> that's the main reason I run weechat
12:39 <Ampera> it's also in a screen available on a public facing ssh so I can connect in that way
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42:55 <rust_collector> damn these gaming things... now they want me to try to put an ooold amd in a slightly less old computer, to see if it is better or worse
43:52 <rust_collector> I thought the amd bulldozer was sort of meh, even when it was new
45:10 <Ampera> yeah all of AMD FX was basically worthless
45:13 <Ampera> even when new
47:11 <rust_collector> well, I have told her she will have to get something newer, if she wants to do modern things... we will see
51:29 <Ampera> yeah, like a cyrix CPU
51:31 <Ampera> or something
54:30 <rust_collector> nah, this will be a motherboard upgrade. Oh well, I don't know a thing about modern confusers, so... blaah
55:01 <Ampera> just whatever you do, when you install the L2 cache chips onto the motherboard, make sure they're real ones
55:14 <Ampera> always consult your manual about how you need to jumper your CPU
55:30 <rust_collector> yes, I remember that part, lol
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12:17 <DHess_US> https://ibb.co/swfzWpY https://ibb.co/KDW56mk
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16:50 <Kuschelpony> hmmm
17:09 <Kuschelpony> <insert jokes with an veterinarian measuring bodyy temperatures here>
18:56 <DHess_US> The stick is hooked to the sliding part of the port so I can adjust the port length for tuning without taking everything apart.
21:07 <Kuschelpony> hihi, i know that thing
22:18 <Watcher> bye
22:44 <Kuschelpony> so far my tuning method was just to stack tube pieces outside, and messing with duct tape to seal
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24:26 <Kuschelpony> i have not yet searched for more background about the tuning variations, but can still say out of memory that your tuning of the vent to make the series resonance the middle of the paralell resonance is right for one specific box size to speaker eqzuvalent volume ratio, but there are much more to choose
29:08 <T3sl4> oh hey, so the vent width corresponds to coupling factor or something like that, yea? maybe it's too big then
33:41 <Kuschelpony> not exactly
34:19 <Kuschelpony> more that the tuning frequency of the vent has specific relations to the unvented resonance frequency, but depending on the Q of the unvented box various ratios might give best results
34:55 <Kuschelpony> but the math goes past my understandeing, with something like the filter types of butterworth and so have their poles spaced
35:08 <T3sl4> but the resonances aren't the vent, it's the cone and box, innit?
35:21 <T3sl4> you can't really fix that unless you put the vent somehow behind the cone
35:40 <T3sl4> which, i guess you kinda could, with a closely cut backing plate or something?
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36:10 <Kuschelpony> ehm there are two resonances
36:25 <Kuschelpony> the one is between cone spring and box volume without vent
36:33 <Kuschelpony> thats the only to care for a closed box
36:34 <DHess_US> Looks like I can't shorten the vent enough to properly tune, which means I put too much stuffing in the box so the box looks too big.
36:45 <Kuschelpony> usually the box volume is set that this has a Q of 0,7
36:55 <DHess_US> Adding stuffing lowers the speed of sound, making the box seem larger.
36:58 <Kuschelpony> thats for a closed one
37:16 <DHess_US> Stuffing still affects the box volume in an ported enclosure.
37:29 <Kuschelpony> when you add a vent, the major resonance is now between the box and the inductivity of the vent, while the speaker stiffness and mass form theother resonance
37:30 <DHess_US> If the speed of sound is lower, then the box is larger.
37:53 <DHess_US> Right, but resonance also depends on the speed of sound, and adding stuffing changes that.
38:13 <DHess_US> I think I need to take some of the stuffing out to make it less dense.
38:25 <Kuschelpony> mmh, thats complicated Dhess, what you say is totally right for the middle and higher resonance modes, but as far as i know not happening at subwoofer frequencied, perhaps even the stuffing makes the volume smaller as it displaces air
38:47 <Kuschelpony> well and i remember the Elektor patent of the "Steam Box" in about 1971
40:37 <DHess_US> It is easy enough to remove some stuffing and measure again.
40:55 <Kuschelpony> yes, do please tell, im curious
43:04 <Kuschelpony> my last ported box was a bandpass subwoofer where i had an surprising good match of an 16cm bass driver, but made the vent too long so it has a huge resonance around 45Hz
43:34 <Kuschelpony> still have not tried to equalize that out, which might improve the overall efficiency
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44:07 <Kuschelpony> too much non-electronic projects that i headed into to fill the social empty months
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45:32 <steve30> I fixed my glasses with some heatshrink
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50:00 <Kuschelpony> hihi, steve you have the same creativity as i have :)
50:11 <DHess_US> Made a huge difference
57:34 <Lord_of_nothing> Servus @Kuschelpony
57:40 <Lord_of_nothing> Wie gehts?
57:42 <Kuschelpony> yes thanks
57:49 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgPInsxbnWE
57:59 <Lord_of_nothing> Alles fit?
58:01 <Kuschelpony> mmh, sleepless night for social issues that do not fit into this channel
58:19 <Lord_of_nothing> DA braucht jemand koks und nutten *gg*.
59:45 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg5EtiGyKpQ
00:36 <Kuschelpony> nein, hat andere Gründe
00:40 <Kuschelpony> und was soll ich mit Frauen?
00:54 <Lord_of_nothing> worauf du auch immer lust hast
02:06 <Lord_of_nothing> Du ich bin da wie die leute aus den blauen party bus. Situationsillastisch
02:16 <Lord_of_nothing> Situationsellastisch
02:28 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
02:36 <Kuschelpony> Gesellschaft mit Menschen die für andere Lebensweisen und spezielle interessen offen ist, im Gegensatz zu priavten Events die sich in tiefem schweigen vor mir verstecken
02:52 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO4exik1hxY
02:57 <Kuschelpony> bac kto electronic topics
03:13 <Kuschelpony> Dhess, in which direction, lower or higher tuning?
03:35 <Lord_of_nothing> Hoe to build a proximity mine?
04:53 <DHess_US> Kuschelpony, it was closer with the port at minimum length, but either the speaker and enclosure volume do not match, or I am doing this wrong.
05:29 <T3sl4> DHess_US: at low enough frequency, the stuffing doesn't have any effect; it's like a lossy capacitor, the change in value is frequency dependent
06:01 <Kuschelpony> dhess, yes the box volume has to be choosen right before
06:20 <DHess_US> It should have been.
06:21 <Kuschelpony> i think it must be for a Qtc around .5
06:58 <DHess_US> There was a major effect on the higher resonate peak so the peaks were much closer in amplitude without the stuffing.
07:35 <DHess_US> But I still can't get the port length short enough. I'm going to have to think about this.
08:45 <T3sl4> what's it do with no port?
08:51 <T3sl4> just the hole i mean :P
10:04 <DHess_US> It is pretty sensitive to the environment. I just having it sitting in my lap so that might explain it.
10:33 <T3sl4> lennyface
11:17 <Kuschelpony> oh thereis no "just the hole", you have to take at least the thickness of the wooden wall where he hole is :)
11:40 <Kuschelpony> plus some effects of the sideway air movement that add some invisible length
12:14 <T3sl4> well yeah ;)
12:29 <Lord_of_nothing> Aja Ich habe am Samstag meine Platten abgeholt.
12:36 <Lord_of_nothing> Bist du deppert damit kannst ned laufen
15:04 <Lord_of_nothing> jö heute spielts sissi in 3sat.
16:05 <Kuschelpony> i can not exactly remember but the end correction for the bassrefelx port was perhaps the same formula as the length correction for a cylinder coil with its end effects
16:41 <Kuschelpony> if i remember right, it was to add 45% of the diameter as the invisible length
20:12 <T3sl4> sounds reasonable
23:49 <rust_collector> old amd cpu stuck at 1.7ghz makes confuser slow(er), it seems
24:35 <Lord_of_nothing> well maybe you ride with a Locomotive who run with Win95...
26:04 <rust_collector> I never take public transport, I just hate anything green
26:45 <Lord_of_nothing> haha you sould ride in a german diesel train...
27:10 <Lord_of_nothing> its far from be green. The same when the Power come from Nuclear Powerplants...
27:25 <rust_collector> hoho, why should I, when we have american 2 stroke diesels from the 1950s here
29:05 <Kuschelpony> i miss a certain diesel train line that was replaced in 2020
29:30 <Kuschelpony> you really felt the power when the locomotive pulled the train out of the station and at the same time up a ramp
30:02 <Lord_of_nothing> haha I miss when an Aircraft take off. THATS impressive.
30:08 <Kuschelpony> other diesels for the flat local lines with the short trains (Schienenbus) were totally boring
30:17 <Lord_of_nothing> Expecially when the Pilot want show what is possible...
30:48 <Kuschelpony> i had on one occassion felt what possible when a recent electric train does accelerate...
30:59 <Lord_of_nothing> Someone know I want make my own Benzin - Electric Scooter.
31:18 <Kuschelpony> a short local train and up to the 4 Megawatt thats possible
31:47 <Kuschelpony> was a special situation where they had to clear a segment as soon as possible after other issues
32:18 <rust_collector> the new electric "trains" we have here, does accelerate very hard, but they are just oversized trams, and behave like it too. bouncing along.
33:00 <Kuschelpony> well usually they stay below something maybe 20% of whats possible
33:43 <Kuschelpony> on the other side, i do experience quite often harder stops, like "oopsie there should have been a train station"
33:56 <rust_collector> I like the way the old heavy trains just float along. the new ones feel like they forgot to put springs in them
34:31 <rust_collector> which I would not doubt, lol
35:18 <Ysjoelfir> "forgot"
35:27 <rust_collector> well
35:33 <rust_collector> something like that
36:06 <Ysjoelfir> "Oy jack, do we realy need those springi things?" - "yes boss, those are pretty esential for the comfprt of the passengers." - "comfort? wth, put that out of there!"
36:20 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, they probably cost a few grand?
36:32 <rust_collector> they are not cheap, no
36:50 <Kuschelpony> hmm the local trains "here" do "float" well and comfortable, but every generation gets louder again inside
37:22 <Kuschelpony> like the ET1440 now, where you hear in the whole train loud and clear the PWM whine of the motors
41:23 <Ysjoelfir> wth.... did I miss something? do I sit on a stash of platinum, or why are those getting so freakishly expensive?
41:25 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay.de/itm/294188646037?hash=item447f027e95:g:LMwAAOSwqH9ew87k
41:54 <rust_collector> old geeks...
42:14 <Ysjoelfir> but I am a young geek
42:17 <rust_collector> I thought the one I found was pretty reasonable-ish
42:39 <rust_collector> 1300nok but that was a 56x
42:55 <rust_collector> square screen
44:01 <rust_collector> but if you get some one size larger, you can sell parts, and live in the cases
44:02 <Ysjoelfir> it depends. the 560 series are somewhat more rare, so between 100 and 200 is reasonable imho. the 550 are probably the most expensive ones, but the 540 series shouldn't be above 120-ish, at least I have seen them around like everywhere
44:07 <Ysjoelfir> lol
44:33 <rust_collector> I wonder if that one is still for sale
46:27 <rust_collector> nope, that one is gone
47:24 <rust_collector> But, there is this thing... I wonder if lemon needs one: https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=213773517
48:02 <Ysjoelfir> heh, nice :P probably, that would be a nice thing for le mon
48:35 <rust_collector> it looks complicated enough to keep him busy for a little bit
49:48 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: there is optimal time to buy these things as the transition from instrument to junk, and just before they start gaining antique/museum piece status
53:09 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir did you bin that old radio yet? I wonder how they did the "backlight" thing in those
53:37 <coppice> Ysjoelfir: the blue case of that one is a little tatty, but the interior looks like it has been through a major restoration
54:50 <Ysjoelfir> coppice, yeah, sadly the 500 series are getting pretty expensive in general. reason for that is probably because of some of the tubes as well, some models have some pretty rare and expensive ones in there. Like a pair of E55L.
55:11 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, nope its actually pretty high on my "to do soon" list :)
55:29 <rust_collector> ok
55:47 <Ysjoelfir> I would not bin that :D I like it a lot.
56:02 <rust_collector> they just keep popping up for sale, and the light looks too even to be just 2-3 bulbs
56:32 <rust_collector> so I have been wondering how they did that, lol
56:55 <coppice> nice even backlighting is not exactly rocket surgery
57:37 <rust_collector> good, so that is reserved for boomboxes, I guesssss?
58:13 <Ysjoelfir> I think I will fix that one soon and take a few pics for you
59:05 <rust_collector> oh good, then I don't have to look in peoples dumpsters, to find out
01:47 <Lemon> whattt
01:51 <Lemon> a 20Ghz scope ??
02:14 <rust_collector> well, you know, it is "vintage" ish
02:27 <rust_collector> you can not expecct much more from that time
02:51 <Lemon> thats quite impressive !
03:01 <Lemon> I mean, 1988 thats quite recent in the grand scheme of things lol
03:08 <rust_collector> eeh, ok
03:20 <coppice> developed specifically support the development of fibre communications
03:26 <rust_collector> say hi to your mom, the dinosaur
03:36 <Lemon> how much is 9k kr ?
03:38 <Ysjoelfir> speaking of stuff made from platinum... wtf? https://www.ebay.de/itm/264843190668?hash=item3da9e2618c:g:PMEAAOSwHM9fJ8r9#
03:39 <Lemon> just for reference
03:51 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure it is pertty special purpose, and probably awkward to use
03:54 <Ysjoelfir> 900€
04:06 <Ysjoelfir> 10NOK is roughly 1 euro
04:18 <rust_collector> 881.44 euro
04:45 <Lemon> thats quite cheap
05:01 <Lemon> I keep thinking that my 500Mhz scope is quite overkill for me lol
05:11 <rust_collector> well, it is there, if you fancy a road trip...
05:12 <Lemon> but at least, its nice to visualize 100Mhz signals
05:32 <Lemon> from what I understand its always good to have multiple time the bandwith of what you want to look at
05:56 <Lemon> like for probes, im eyeing a 1Ghz fet probe for it, its not that expensive, but in a couple months not now
06:07 <Lemon> now I want a nice book, and start it
06:13 <Lemon> art of electronics or something ?
06:19 <Lemon> somebody told me about it
06:24 <Lemon> or if you know a better one
06:35 <Lemon> I want to start from zero, now that I have tons of gear
06:42 <rust_collector> jeebus in the desert is a pretty good story
09:31 <Lemon> but with that 20Ghz scope
09:45 <Lemon> I dont fully understand, but it seems different than a regular digital scope
10:03 <coppice> its not a regular 20GHz scope
10:03 <Lemon> can you measure regular low bandwith signals with it ?
10:07 <Lemon> or they will look weird
10:16 <rust_collector> it is probably a pain in all your parts to use, I dunno?
11:14 <Lemon> ho im just curious, because 20Ghz for that price... there must be a catch, there is a catch, for sure
11:20 <Lemon> but what exactly, im interested to know
11:33 <coppice> Its not a real time scope
13:15 <Lemon> yeah I saw that, but is that a big issue ?
13:21 <Lemon> seems it averages
13:42 <coppice> depends how repetitive your signal is
13:54 <rust_collector> looking at a 20ghz anything seems pretty much like a waste of eyes
15:51 <rust_collector> Lemon get this, and see if it is something you are into reading: https://mek.oszk.hu/02500/02540/index.phtml#
16:17 <rust_collector> https://mek.oszk.hu/07300/07377/index.phtml#
18:47 <Lemon> thanks rusty im taking a look
19:03 <rust_collector> good luck
20:07 <Lemon> oof yes ofc I cant translate it with my version of word
20:20 <rust_collector> 5.5?
20:24 <rust_collector> 5.0?
24:40 <Lemon> heeeh I closed it wait
25:20 <Lemon> hmm got it in pdf but I cant translate it either
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25:29 <rust_collector> it was not what I was looking for, but... maybe I will find it some day
27:28 <Lemon> ok I will ask on the forum about the ths710a, a guy said he managed to get the sampling rate of the 730, and turn it into a 720p
27:41 <Lemon> so basically, get 100Mhz, 1Gs/s, and power/harmonic analysis tool
27:46 <Lord_of_nothing> @rust_collector jó estét
27:56 <Lemon> that would be dope af as the kids says
28:15 <Lord_of_nothing> Hogy vagy?
28:24 <rust_collector> hmmm? morning to you too
29:15 <Lord_of_nothing> Most tanulok magyarul.
29:43 <rust_collector> cool, have fun with that.
30:15 <Lord_of_nothing> haha the good think when we are permit to travel is just need to drive ~60min to speak with a lot of natives
30:19 <rust_collector> I think it is an interesting place, so knowing a bit of the language could mean a great vacation for you some time
30:48 <rust_collector> I am allowed to travel....
30:54 <rust_collector> NA NA!
31:17 <Lord_of_nothing> lol I will buy some camo cloth soon and will cross the green boarder
32:58 <rust_collector> well, that is one way to do it. the other way, is to buy a large hot pink van, and wear hi-vis, and just go thru the border, and act like you are allowed to
33:15 <Lemon> I think the instrument I really want the most, but that is wayyyy outside of my budget (and most people's I think) is a keithley 2450
33:33 <rust_collector> that, and a tuba
34:45 <Lemon> or any SMU, tbh
38:33 <Lord_of_nothing> Herr Kuschel?
38:35 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjUikme5AtA
39:05 <Kuschelpony> nmo i do not download and watch any youtube video, that would steal my time
39:19 <Kuschelpony> betetr to read through forum in TEXT
40:34 <Lemon> heh rust_collector I bought two aneng products yday !
41:08 <rust_collector> oh no! RUN RUN, next thing will be an uni-trend
41:13 <Lemon> a little 3 euros battery tester (for AA, 9V batteries, etc) that I will probably give to my mother so she can test her batteries
41:38 <Lemon> and a 9 euros phase tester, it looks quite decent for what its supposed to do, I will use it at my flat as I suspect some funny things happenning there
41:59 <Lemon> ho and a 11 euros voltalert fluke pen too ! lol
42:04 <Lemon> I always wanted on of those, mostly for fun
42:19 <rust_collector> where is the fun in that?
42:22 <rust_collector> psssssht
42:29 <Ysjoelfir> lemon
42:35 <Lemon> yes
42:45 <Ysjoelfir> when do you finally get the one and only instrument you will ever need?
42:58 <Lemon> the 502a ? xd
43:02 <rust_collector> brains are expensive, Ysjoelfir
43:14 <Lemon> I have 2 brains
43:23 <Lemon> an analog and a digital one
43:25 <Ysjoelfir> exact. a 502A
43:36 <rust_collector> if you sell them, you can get a house with scope parts inside
43:47 <Lemon> heh I mean, I almost bought a 466 with the dm44 module for 40 euros, but it was already sold :(
43:52 <Lemon> quite a bargain if you ask me
43:59 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DmF6gutafk
46:29 <Ysjoelfir> thats a strange language
46:41 <rust_collector> uhm, you could say that
47:01 <Ysjoelfir> but that looks pretty nice
47:22 <Ysjoelfir> and it has mayonnez in it!
49:25 <rust_collector> i wonder how much rpm those salad spinners can take...
49:44 <Ysjoelfir> i tried very hard to kill ours quite some times. didn't succeed
50:20 <rust_collector> couple it to a grinder? if you give it 12k on the handle, something has to happen?
50:21 <Kuschelpony> DHess_US, i think i have found a good paper for you
50:23 <Kuschelpony> http://mariobon.com/Storia/pdf/1930_Bell_Bass_Reflex_Enclosure_Design.pdf
50:35 <Ysjoelfir> Nah, where is the challenge in that?
50:55 <Ysjoelfir> I like the vinnaigrette she does there.
52:07 <rust_collector> well, you have to fix it, and make it work at that speed, then you have to upgrade your power source...then rebuild it better, then the government will give you a pension and house far from people, if you agree to not tell
52:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol
53:00 <rust_collector> a rocket powered salad spinner.... yum yum
53:54 <Lemon> is kyoritsu a good brand ?
54:16 <Ysjoelfir> yep
54:30 <Lemon> I saw dis https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1986979794.htm?ac=206978287
55:14 <rust_collector> butt damnit lemon, I told you to get one of those a week or two ago.....
55:40 <Lemon> lol rusty please, im waiting for good occasions !
55:55 <Lemon> and well now that I have the big ac/dc clamp and the small ac one
56:05 <Lemon> ok its more convenient etc
56:18 <rust_collector> you can put the clamp in your nostrils, and you will always have it where you need it
57:08 <Lemon> looks to be a cheap model tho
57:14 <Lemon> https://www.fixami.fr/kyoritsu-kewtech-kt200-pince-numerique-ac-dc-600v-kt2000001a.html#googleshopping
57:24 <rust_collector> yeah, I think those are sold in 200 brands
58:36 <rust_collector> but they are super handy for car stuff, and such, because you can hang it by the clamp, and probe around, without it dropping down between the turbo and something else that is glowing dull red
59:03 <Lemon> thats true yeah
59:16 <Lemon> I thought about grabbing one if I find a really good bargain
00:02 <Lemon> yeah this one is a cheap
00:04 <Lemon> cheapo
00:10 <Lemon> not a real kyoritsu
00:49 <Lemon> doesnt do DCI anyway
00:55 <Lemon> so not the best for car use
02:26 <Kuschelpony> http://www.mh-audio.nl/Calculators/impedancecurve.html
02:28 <Lemon> the big one I have will be nice for it, surely not as handy as a all-in-one
02:35 <Lemon> but it got two ranges, 200 and 2ka
02:48 <Kuschelpony> interesting, i did not knowed how well the serial resonance dip is useful for leak testing
07:55 <rust_collector> hmm, the wifes iron gets up to 200 degrees
13:55 <Lemon> lick it !
15:24 <rust_collector> talking about weird language... this is the same, but she sounds much more drunk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB3RNBiwk48
20:36 <Kuschelpony> oh here they show a drastic effect of chaning damping material
20:38 <Kuschelpony> http://troelsgravesen.dk/vent_tuning.htm
22:06 <Kuschelpony> same box, same vent, just different fill http://troelsgravesen.dk/vent_tuning_files/vent_tuning_9_results_no_and_heavy_damp.gif
22:15 <Kuschelpony> really different peak heights
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34:24 <Lemon> thats weird, most esd mats I find for sale dont have any connections to ground
35:02 <Lemon> I thought about getting one, for when I'll move my lab to my flat
35:09 <Lemon> as I'll get a bigger space to work
35:26 <Lemon> why not get one of those for peace of mind
36:06 <rust_collector> piece of mind was nice. maiden england
39:37 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005002443253254.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.2deb6720Fu6gYh&algo_pvid=53158ba3-672d-4357-acf8-0ded758f5784&algo_expid=53158ba3-672d-4357-acf8-0ded758f5784-38&btsid=0b0a555f16218017626481426eedf4&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
39:47 <Lemon> this one looks to be better than others
40:13 <rust_collector> that does not really say much
41:21 <rust_collector> but yes, they are very handy things
47:29 <rust_collector> and i really like those tfxtdol clamp socket things.
49:23 <MrMobodies> Just discovered somed stuff on Firefox in youtube, one about:config name has been changed which is that fullscreen dialogue alert
49:47 <MrMobodies> and another annoying this is fading when entering and exiting fullscreen
49:49 <MrMobodies> full-screen-api.transition-duration.enter 0
49:49 <MrMobodies> full-screen-api.transition-duration.leave 0
49:50 <MrMobodies> full-screen-api.warning.delay	0	
49:50 <MrMobodies> full-screen-api.warning.timeout 0
50:00 <MrMobodies> much better now setting them to 0
50:13 <MrMobodies> and it is instant, no fade needed to appease me
50:57 <MrMobodies> it transitions, in fact faster than Chrome that stuff not needed more of a hinderance
51:29 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
52:03 <rust_collector> Lemon https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001555635473.html?pvid=b646e89e-84cb-4d92-868e-f90eeacb9183&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.14452.226710.0,pvid:b646e89e-84cb-4d92-868e-f90eeacb9183,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2352_668%23888%233325%235_4452%230%23226710%230_4452%233474%2316498%23915_4452%234862%2324463%2358_4452%233098%239599%23688_4452%235108%2323442%23445_4452%233564%2316062%23147_668%232846%238113%
52:03 <rust_collector> 998_668%235811%2327177%2328_668%232717%237563%23595_668%231000022185%231000066058%230_668%233422%2315392%23366_23416%230%23213724%230_23416%234721%2321967%23493_23416%234722%2321972%2310&fromDetail https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001646896265.html?pvid=d9566917-7164-423e-b044-8f8f034e63ec&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:d9566917-7164-423e-b044-8f8f034e63ec,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%239
52:05 <rust_collector> 68%230%23131923%2395_668%23888%233325%235_668%23888%233325%235_668%232846%238113%231998_668%235811%2327177%2328_668%232717%237563%23595_668%231000022185%231000066058%230_668%233468%2315612%23386_668%232846%238113%231998_668%235811%2327177%2328_668%232717%237563%23595_668%233164%239976%23400_668%233468%2315612%23386
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54:11 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir https://yemek.com/tarif/sirkeli-tuzlu-kurabiye/
58:53 <MrMobodies> that looks thick that tape
58:57 <MrMobodies> the clear one
59:08 <rust_collector> yes, it does
59:31 <rust_collector> I guess that can be useful some times
59:36 <Ampera> Pulling apart and reassembling my old server reminds me of just how sketchy it is
59:37 <MrMobodies> what are those black things on tht cake?
59:39 <MrMobodies> seeds?
59:46 <rust_collector> yes
00:08 <MrMobodies> I thought'd might have been a bit of chocolate flakes at first
00:12 <Ampera> this box could do with a better board and PSU
00:30 <rust_collector> I am sure chocolate would work well on those
00:31 <MrMobodies> is that the old IBM one with the 3.2GHz?
00:39 <MrMobodies> and 2mb of cache
00:58 <MrMobodies> oops dual 3.2Ghz 2mb cache
00:58 <Ampera> no
01:08 <Ampera> this is my X5650 box
01:23 <Ampera> what, up until this weekend, ran my website and ZNC
01:29 <Ampera> and a few other bits
01:30 <MrMobodies> ooh that's the single hp one
01:34 <Ampera> yeah
01:38 <MrMobodies> I nearly forgot about that
01:40 <Ampera> the board sucks ass
01:57 <Ampera> the 24 pin connector is nonstandard so I had to hack it together
02:04 <DHess_US> <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay.de/itm/294188646037?hash=item447f027e95:g:LMwAAOSwqH9ew87k
02:06 <DHess_US> I have one of those.
02:17 <Ampera> the front panel connector is whatever
02:19 <MrMobodies> I think I had something like that n the G5
02:28 <MrMobodies> the mini sas cage
02:38 <MrMobodies> that had wide connectos to the p400
03:05 <Ampera> and because it's supposed to be for an HP Z400 workstation, it requires F1 to be pressed when it boots because of BIOS errors about missing headers
03:10 <DHess_US> <Lemon> a 20Ghz scope ??
03:19 <DHess_US> Fasted scope in my house is only 14 GHz. :(
03:22 <Ampera> with, as I recall, no setting to disable that in tge BIOS
03:25 <DHess_US> Fastest
03:36 <DHess_US> <Kuschelpony> DHess_US, i think i have found a good paper for you
03:37 <DHess_US> <Kuschelpony> http://mariobon.com/Storia/pdf/1930_Bell_Bass_Reflex_Enclosure_Design.pdf
03:39 <MrMobodies> I remembered it some HP motherboards doing that with unsupported cpu's
03:51 <MrMobodies> even though the chipset supports it
03:53 <DHess_US> Thanks, I 'll check that out. I got it tuned but am not completely satified with the peaking.
05:04 <MrMobodies> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/br0AAOSwtLRcy~V5/s-l1600.jpg
05:10 <MrMobodies> looks like a good workstation board
05:37 <MrMobodies> My gigabytes p4 had 6 memory slots
05:40 <MrMobodies> not often I find that
05:57 <MrMobodies> I think that a 8PENXP I think
07:03 <MrMobodies> wow, the G6 I have only has a few 8x pci slot whereas that board has a 16x
07:43 <MrMobodies> and the cpu holes look good, I don't see any tracers near the board
08:14 <DHess_US> I ended up with the cheapest dual PCIe x 8 board I could find that supports ECC, Asus PRIME X570-PRO
08:14 <MrMobodies> where they can get crushed between the heatsink bolts
08:58 <Lemon> DHess_US only 14Ghz :> I consider my tds 540 overkill already ! but I wouldnt spit on one of those bigbois :>
09:21 <DHess_US> Lemon, it isn't what you think since 14 GHz is sampling oscilloscope territory.
09:44 <Lemon> yeah I know, its a different kind of beast but still
09:47 <Lemon> quite impressive !
09:53 <DHess_US> Sampling oscilloscopes are pretty specialized. They are not very useful for general purpose applications.
10:06 <Lemon> I did read a bit about those earlier
10:37 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon
10:51 <Lemon> frouich
10:53 <Ampera> how are you, citrus guy?
10:54 <MrMobodies> https://i1.wp.com/www.thestreamingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Asus-prime-x570-pro-Photos-10.jpg
10:54 <Lemon> how you doing ? :>
10:58 <MrMobodies> that' looks good too
11:02 <Lemon> shit, too slow !
11:05 <Lemon> im ok and you ? :P
11:08 <MrMobodies> I see it has a mechanism already installed for the fan
11:12 <Ampera> you guys almost won the ESC yesterday
11:19 <Lemon> yeeeee lol
11:19 <MrMobodies> and an overkill of caps and regulators and metal
11:19 <DHess_US> I've made good use of it though. https://ibb.co/gDx3hC0
11:27 <Ampera> alright, I switched the ZNC over to the new server
11:28 <Lemon> well, it was boring, lets be honest
11:35 <Lemon> (our singer)
11:36 <Ampera> the french song?
11:37 <MrMobodies> https://www.vortez.net/articles_file/43673_asus_prime_x570-pro_cpu.jpg
11:39 <Lemon> yeah
11:46 <Ampera> she looked nice, but it's not a looks competition
11:47 <Lemon> super generic boring stuff, as always
11:58 <Ampera> germany's wasn't great either
12:00 <Lemon> yeah she's cute, a copy of edith piaf
12:18 <Ampera> but we only got 3 points
12:55 <DHess_US> MrMobodies, since it was intended for overclocking, it is overkill on the CPU regulators but I'm only running my at 65 watts.
12:58 <Lemon> yeah ho well
13:04 <Lemon> lets not talk about england lol
13:10 <Ampera> haha
13:11 <DHess_US> I would have preferred something which didn't need a chipset fan
13:15 <Lemon> new record I think
13:22 <Ampera> nah, they're the best
13:24 <Ampera> at losing
13:49 <Ampera> Italy's was good, but I think my favorite was Ukraine's
14:25 <Lemon> I didnt watch all of it but my mother liked ukraine too
16:25 <Lemon> hmmm I was looking at logic analyzer, as I kinda want to fiddle with those and learn a bit
16:41 <Lemon> the dslogic plus seems to be the thing to get for a good bang/buck ratio
16:56 <Lemon> looking at salae stuff (I guess dslogic is a clone ?)
17:17 <Lemon> what justify the bigass price difference ? specs looks mostly the same, is it because of RD and software ?
17:26 <Lemon> ofc a clone is cheap I get that
17:31 <Lemon> but if I needed to buy one
17:42 <Lemon> what a salea would offer me over a dslogic plus ?
17:50 <Lemon> saleae
17:53 <Lemon> aeaea
21:51 Quit: Guest69 ([email protected]) Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…
24:25 <Ampera> æææ
24:34 <Ampera> œæœæ
24:34 <rust_collector> ÅÅÅ?
24:42 <Ampera> ßßß
25:08 <Ampera> how are you rusty?
25:13 <rust_collector> be careful, the lemon has all the ě and stuff
25:19 <rust_collector> i am super-awesome
25:26 <Ampera> that sucks
25:30 <Lemon> well Im using a qwerty nowadays
25:33 <Lemon> so no lol
25:34 <rust_collector> I still weigh the same
25:49 <Ampera> no asquirty?
26:18 <rust_collector> which is weird. that tells me how little I do at work, because I have been sitting here for a month
26:41 <Lemon> no azertyuiop
27:07 * T3sl4 asquirts Ampera with chocolate syrup
27:30 <rust_collector> åqpwoeiruty is the best layout, imo
31:47 <Ampera> T3sl4, no squirting unless you intend to marry please
32:15 * T3sl4 insistently squirts some more
44:31 <DHess_US> Before subwoofer, https://youtu.be/8oiEMeJpAaU?t=428
44:36 <DHess_US> After subwoofer, https://youtu.be/8oiEMeJpAaU?t=447
49:57 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjUikme5AtA
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52:59 <Reg7805> hello everbody
53:57 <Reg7805> hello everybody!!!
58:19 <DHess_US> Lord_of_nothing, pretty thumpy now.
06:55 * T3sl4 hugs Reg7805 like an electrolytic capacitor
10:08 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575356058818838539/846146834426363984/20210523_180139.jpg
10:46 <Halcyon> Looks like one of those servers you find in abandoned buildings but have been left running for many years
10:51 <Ampera> haha
10:53 <Ampera> hi Halcyon
10:57 <Halcyon> Herro
10:59 <Ampera> how are you
11:06 <Ampera> are you working today?
11:09 <Halcyon> I have a cold :(
11:15 <Ampera> good
11:15 <Halcyon> No, I'm off until Thursday
11:20 <Ampera> so you can keep me company
11:24 <Halcyon> Yep
13:32 <Halcyon> Ill be back shortly, got to take my car up the road to get serviced
13:41 <Ampera> everything there except a gigabit switch is on 240v
13:59 <Ampera> have fun
16:45 <Lemon> heh those dslogic looks really neat from what I read
18:07 * Halcyon coughs at Ampera
18:12 <Ampera> aww
18:20 <Ampera> I love your covid
18:37 <Halcyon> I thought you would
18:39 <Halcyon> Back soon
19:21 <Ampera> <3
21:08 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon with a Lemon
23:22 <Halcyon> Back
23:55 * Halcyon throws limes back at T3sl4 
24:20 * T3sl4 takes the limes and rums with them
25:30 <Ampera> that was quick
26:11 <Ampera> yeah that top server (used to be my old one, will be refactored into my storage server) is just a bucket of sketch
26:22 <Ampera> I have 6 drives on that backplane on a single molex branch
26:25 <Ampera> and not a particularly beefy one
26:31 <Ampera> oh well, it hasn't caught fire yet
26:40 <Ampera> and I have SATA power to molex in the mail
27:53 <DHess_US> I always buy power supplies based on the number of drive connectors.
28:16 <Ampera> This server was from a time when I couldn't afford anything besides what I had
28:46 <Ampera> and because the 24 pin on that board is proprietary, and I hacked the connector together on that thing, unless I hack another, the PSU goes with the board
28:57 <Ampera> new board and new PSU is definitely in the wish list
29:16 <Ampera> I actually have two X5650's so maybe I can find a dual socket 1366 board
29:24 <Ampera> would be good for extra RAM capacity
32:04 <MrMobodies> the raid controller
32:06 <MrMobodies> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575356058818838539/846146834426363984/20210523_180139.jpg
32:22 <MrMobodies> is that a zero raid?
32:25 <MrMobodies> oops controller
32:31 <Ampera> zero controller?
32:41 <MrMobodies> aah nevermind too large
33:00 <MrMobodies> some boards had a scsi controller on
33:04 <MrMobodies> and they made the raid optionak
33:17 <MrMobodies> so they had these pci plug in cards with the raid processor on it
33:20 <MrMobodies> known as zero raid
33:25 <MrMobodies> where they'd be on the sam ebus
33:30 <Ampera> https://www.ebay.com/itm/182739023209
33:33 <MrMobodies> 1024mb sounds to large
33:38 <Ampera> that's the controller I bought
33:39 <MrMobodies> they had like 64 to 128mb
33:48 <Ampera> (for less than what that listing is asking)
33:58 <MrMobodies> aaah I think you showed me that one
34:01 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4W0Pa6805lY
34:02 <Ampera> yeah I paid 60 bucks for pretty much that one
34:06 <MrMobodies> and it had a battery not a cap
34:18 <Ampera> no mine has a cap
34:35 <MrMobodies> oh
34:41 <DHess_US> Ampera, on a lot of my old power supplies, some of which are still in use, I cut the molex connectors off and spliced in three for every one. I got the extras from other dead power supplies.
35:03 <DHess_US> Soldered splices are much more reliable than molex splitters.
35:09 <Ampera> I was very tempted to hack the SATA connectors off and solder on some old molex branches
35:21 <Ampera> but I'd rather use adapters personally
35:29 * Halcyon adapts Ampera
35:35 <MrMobodies> benefits are the caps could be replaced wiht the same type
35:46 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cof8v8u3I5M
35:48 <MrMobodies> I have a few controllers I couldn't even get the batteries for them anymore
36:05 <Ampera> I basically won't be using the batteries, because afaik, the RAM cache is unusable in HBA mode
36:06 <Halcyon> Hehe cute birb
36:11 <Ampera> I have it plugged in because why not
36:34 <MrMobodies> human like parrot
36:53 <steve30> hi Halcyon
37:04 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
37:23 <MrMobodies> that's good a hba/jbod mode
37:40 <Ampera> I bought it to be an HBA
37:41 <MrMobodies> for single drives
37:51 <Ampera> ebay didn't have HBA only cards for 60 bucks with 16 SAS lanes
38:20 <DHess_US> I've seen them sometimes
38:35 <DHess_US> At least the ones I link, but I've only bought the SATA ones.
38:45 <Ampera> I'm sure some exist, but that one was there, and at a price I was willing to pay
38:51 <MrMobodies> 16 sas lines
38:56 <DHess_US> The biggest card I have has 12 SATA
38:59 <Ampera> I would prefer it have SFF 8087 connectors instead of the mini SAS ones, but whatever
39:06 <DHess_US> Yea
39:43 <MrMobodies> I do have something that can handle 64 drives but it ain't sas
39:45 <MrMobodies> it's scsi
39:47 <Ampera> that case I bought has five 4 port SAS backplanes in it that run off SFF 8087
39:56 <Ampera> so I have to use special cables to hook them up that are mildly expensive
40:18 <Ampera> well if I had expanders, this controller could handle probably hundreds of SAS drives
40:49 <Ampera> the plan is to run four of the backplanes off SAS and one of them off the onboard SATA if I ever get to filling up that many bays
42:36 <Halcyon> I feel like comfort food today
42:38 <MrMobodies> hundreds of drives
42:39 <Halcyon> I'm all sooky
42:51 <MrMobodies> and i see a cooling requirement on it (maybe it heats up under load)
42:53 <Ampera> Halcyon, oh god I bought pizza last night when I really shouldn't have
43:09 <Ampera> Yeah that server case should be fine, it has pretty chonky fans
43:19 <Halcyon> Pizza's alright
43:32 <Halcyon> I might make T3sl4's mac and cheese later
43:44 <Ampera> yeah but I've actually been picking up weight recently, and I need to stop eating so much
44:02 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/eUQm6wg.jpg
44:12 <Ampera> aye, I saw that, MrMobodies
44:23 <Halcyon> Interesting
44:25 <Ampera> it has decent airflow
45:21 <MrMobodies> quite impressive one controller so tiny can do so many drives
45:26 <MrMobodies> in the hundreds
45:29 <MrMobodies> compared to this thing
45:39 <MrMobodies> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/0526uoabBwuRxCVUAHNi9eADo6uHzCmMut81XxGhjvtqy7A2oUClNRORKVCjvJfyKlhrDHfwgUa8r389wMnWy4QK6rsR9KSedw
45:55 <MrMobodies> that can only do the max for 60 drives or so 15 per channel
46:13 <MrMobodies> I have a couple of those, I had to disconnect the battery
46:24 <MrMobodies> I found out they were causing havoc
46:28 <MrMobodies> due to the low voltage
46:31 <Halcyon> I have to sit at home all day today, getting my electricity meter replaced
46:40 <MrMobodies> it has a battery on the center and one under the sdram memory
46:41 <Halcyon> They said anytime between 0800-1700 which is helpful
47:21 <rust_collector> so 18
47:36 <Halcyon> Oh they would have finished for the day by then
47:49 <MrMobodies> Ampera, so you case can do 20 drives?
48:20 <Ampera> yep
48:57 <MrMobodies> what I call plenty of freedom to plugin whatever drive you want
49:21 <MrMobodies> and they'd still be plenty of breathing space
50:08 <MrMobodies> do they come with caddies or drives screw in?
50:20 <Ampera> hot swap caddies
51:34 * T3sl4 hot swaps Ampera some cuddles
51:37 <MrMobodies> aaah
51:39 <MrMobodies> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575356058818838539/846146834426363984/20210523_180139.jpg
51:46 * Ampera pulls in and out of T3sl4 
51:47 <MrMobodies> that's that one at the bottom of the picture
51:51 <T3sl4> oh my
52:02 <MrMobodies> second one up I mean
52:21 <MrMobodies> how much that cost?
52:48 <MrMobodies> usb ports on it too
52:50 <Ampera> 250USD
52:53 <Ampera> shipped
53:01 <MrMobodies> not bad with all the caddies included
53:02 <Ampera> though my dad then found it on another site for 200 bucks and bought one :/
54:05 <MrMobodies> it's good your family are into that stuff
54:27 <MrMobodies> it is rare for people around me to be interested
54:42 <MrMobodies> I have to argue to get things
54:47 <MrMobodies> because they don't understand
55:05 <MrMobodies> I get moaned at when things turn up
55:19 <Halcyon> YAY the electrician is here. That means I don't have to sit around all day! Weeee
55:28 <MrMobodies> electrician?
55:58 <MrMobodies> something wrong with your cables/appliance?
56:03 <Halcyon> Yeh I am getting a smart meter installed in the meter box
56:06 <rust_collector> elekchicken if you like
56:16 <Halcyon> So the government can spy on me and give me the 5G radiations
56:53 <MrMobodies> Ampera? is that a basement?
56:59 <Ampera> Yes.
57:07 <Halcyon> It's his bedroom
57:09 <MrMobodies> Lucky, contain all the noise
57:11 <Halcyon> He is only allowed out at night
57:26 <Ampera> The town curfew is because of me.
57:26 <MrMobodies> I have live with noise it in my workshop
57:34 <Ampera> Not to prevent me from going out, to prevent others from running into me
57:44 <Halcyon> Heheh
58:14 <MrMobodies> that's not your toy tractor is it?
58:20 <MrMobodies> near the monitor
58:42 <Ampera> No I'm just holding it for a friend.
58:49 <MrMobodies> oh
58:51 <Ampera> yes it's minew
59:02 <MrMobodies> remote control
59:09 <Ampera> this is the shelf where all the outdoor toys we had as kids were left to die
59:21 <Ampera> no it's just a plastic tractor
59:39 <Halcyon> It's like Pripyat down there
59:47 <Ampera> It helps reminds me of where I've been and how little I've advanced
59:54 <Ampera> Halcyon, you're just bitter because you don't have a cellar
00:01 <Halcyon> A little
00:23 <Halcyon> I actually thought about building one when I built the house, but to dig out solid sandstone would have cost a lot.
00:25 <MrMobodies> celler turning into a datacenter
00:27 <Ampera> All of this gear is on 240V, via outlets I wired up myself specifically for this
00:48 <Ampera> build myself an entire subpanel that plugs into a 240V 50A outlet
00:51 <MrMobodies> wonderful wiring it up yourself
00:55 <Ampera> then feeds two 240V 15A circuits
01:24 <Ampera> should be able to pull 6000W no problem between the two circuits
01:28 <MrMobodies> 30a power thats plenty
02:06 <Ampera> our 240V outlets are really cool too, because they don't have neutral pins (well some do, the ones the servers are plugged into don't)
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02:46 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/840681498255425536/20210508_153533.jpg
02:52 <Ampera> outlets before I wired them up
02:53 <MrMobodies> any air conditioning down there?
02:56 <Ampera> nope
03:02 <Halcyon> 30 amps is plenty. My main socket in my server room is only 20 amps or something like that
03:27 <Halcyon> The only reason I got it was because my UPS uses the bigger IEC plug with the larger ground pin
03:27 <Ampera> I was originally gonna do 45A because why not, I had a 50A circuit, but I ended up using that breaker slot for a surge breaker
03:34 <MrMobodies> in this village I only got 60a compared to 100a from my old house
03:56 <Ampera> Our house has 200A service, though I have no clue if that's measured @ 240V or @ 120V
04:00 <Ampera> I think it's @ 240V
04:27 <MrMobodies> no dimming or brownouts at 200a cabling
04:33 <MrMobodies> when something comes on
04:40 <Ampera> haha
04:45 <MrMobodies> I am in the countryside one of the downsides
04:51 <Ampera> the servers will actually dim the basement lights when they turn on or jump to high load
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06:30 <DHess_US> Ampera, I take surface mount duplex boxes like that, connect two or three together, and then add a cord to make an heavy outlet strip.
06:59 <DHess_US> It is measured at 240 VAC
07:13 <MrMobodies> the more equipment and switches the more nicer that basement is going to look
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07:21 <DHess_US> 200 amp 240 volt service has been the most common in the US for decades now.
07:29 <Ampera> makes sense
07:39 <Ampera> since there's two 100A dual pole breakers down there
07:44 <DHess_US> It is only recently that newer houses have 400 amp service or something because of electric vehicle charging.
08:07 <Ampera> Actually this 50A circuit I'm using right now would be great for EV charging if it's ever desired
08:29 <Ampera> only problem is we don't have a garage, only a carport, so it'd have to be a waterproof installation
08:40 <DHess_US> 200 amp service is a little light to run an electric stove, oven, AC, dryer, and electric vehicle charging at the same time.
08:47 <MrMobodies> is that basement waterproof from flooding?
08:49 <Ampera> we don't have an electric stove
09:07 <Ampera> MrMobodies, yes by merit of a sump and the fact that we live on a hill
09:27 <Ampera> if the flood gets high enough to reach the servers, we have much more to worry about than the servers
09:28 <MrMobodies> nothing better than being up a hill
09:50 <Ampera> it'd mean probably much of the NY capitol region is underwater
10:12 <DHess_US> I had my server in the basement under the stairs, and the stairs collapsed on it last year.
10:25 <DHess_US> The stairs collapsed while I was on them. :(
10:26 <Ampera> these are actually under the stairs, and I was actually thinking about you
10:42 <Ampera> these are out of the path of the stairs, so if the stairs did collapse, then it wouldn't hit the servers
10:46 <DHess_US> Server stayed up.
10:51 <Ampera> nice
10:57 <DHess_US> Stairs fell on the server and the server held them up.
11:10 <Ampera> hahaha
11:38 <DHess_US> Luckily I had a ladder in the basement so I was able to get out.
11:59 <Ampera> would be nice to have a basement with two exists, my great grandmother's house was like that
12:04 <Ampera> had stairs from the inside and to the outside
12:10 <Ampera> *exits
12:25 <DHess_US> Some places around here (St. Louis) have basements with two access points like you describe.
12:41 <DHess_US> Tornado country here.
13:19 <MrMobodies> do you have wiring access/trays in the walls so you can easily run cables?
13:29 <Ampera> hahahahahaha
13:35 <DHess_US> Oddly enough ...
13:57 <Ampera> A. what walls B. this house has all of its wiring nailed to the beams in the basement
13:59 <DHess_US> I have hooks in the joists along the walls of the basement to hold ethernet cable.
14:08 <MrMobodies> in England, customers do the decorations when they move in, when they have problem they call me around when it is too late
14:21 <Ampera> when I installed all of this, I just ziptied the cables (power and data) to the existing wiring
14:43 <MrMobodies> so you pulled it back forward to get the rest through
15:04 <Ampera> no I just ran it with the amount of slack in the right places I wanted, and just zip tied it tightly
15:21 <Ampera> cable management was not planned nor thought too hard about
15:34 <MrMobodies> I was a little lucky when I moved in this house
15:44 <MrMobodies> there was plenty of space between the gripper rods
15:57 <Ampera> If I ever were to rewire up an entire house, I'd love to install empty conduit in all the walls that would allow me to run cabling into each room
15:58 <MrMobodies> to run 3 cables per side to reach the lounge
16:28 <Ampera> because it'd be one thing if I install CAT6 or OM3, but there may come a day when, just like telephone and coax, those aren't useful anymore
16:39 <Ampera> so if I could pull it all out, and push whatever I want back through, that'd be great
17:06 <steve30> Halcyon, is the electrician cute?
17:12 <MrMobodies> My sister is moving into a house soon, a small house
17:17 <Ampera> knowing Halcyon's luck, it's a she
17:22 <steve30> lol
17:23 <MrMobodies> I told her 3 cables upstairs for her working remotely
17:29 <MrMobodies> the buiding told her a lot of bullshit
17:47 <MrMobodies> the wifi will be so powerful it'd be better than th ecables themselves
18:07 <MrMobodies> couldn't believe what she was told
18:14 <steve30> lol
18:37 <MrMobodies> I said to her, whhen they are problems the next point of call is the builder who made that wild claim
18:46 <Halcyon> steve30, no, he is not attractive at all
18:49 <MrMobodies> get someone out to wire out from the outside and then we talk
19:01 <Halcyon> Ampera: Who are you kidding? Women can't be electricians :P
19:13 <MrMobodies> I know of a women electrician
19:17 <MrMobodies> but she had bipolar
19:20 <MrMobodies> and did a lot of wiered things
19:22 <Halcyon> I was kidding MrMobodies :P
19:25 <MrMobodies> and she wanted to be a man
19:38 <Ampera> MrMobodies, that couldn't have been funnier if it was a joke
19:39 <MrMobodies> she smoked and was rough
19:56 <MrMobodies> well she brought in this lighter one day and it had those leds in it
20:03 <MrMobodies> it had this moving image of somethings bum
20:14 <MrMobodies> where it shines this red laser on the wall
20:19 <MrMobodies> and had a right go at me
20:33 <MrMobodies> she wanted to get rid of me but th emanager told her that's not an option
20:41 <Ampera> them bipolar dykes, eh?
20:42 <MrMobodies> she walked out for 6 weeks and put it down to her bipolar
20:50 <MrMobodies> but she was nice in the end
21:02 <MrMobodies> but a little dodgy attimes
21:30 <MrMobodies> her mum dies but I didn't know at the time
21:48 <MrMobodies> so maybe that triggered it
22:14 <MrMobodies> it was a contruction business and she was doing the tests
22:35 <MrMobodies> they used Pearson Vue for their testing facilities
22:58 <MrMobodies> but that was back 10 years ago
23:20 <MrMobodies> they wouldn't let me get up a ladder to run cables in the warehouse
23:35 <MrMobodies> health and safety so some plumber who worked there offered to do it
23:45 <MrMobodies> if I brough him stuff at the local pub
23:55 <MrMobodies> the ladder collapse and they had to hold it up
24:08 <MrMobodies> it was the warehouse doors
24:15 <MrMobodies> after that he didn't want the beer
24:30 <MrMobodies> the building was falling apart
26:47 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/ISBwuou.jpg
27:11 <MrMobodies> if that was me on a ladder and nobody was around I could have been dead
27:30 <steve30> maybe i should try and go to tesco today, since i didn't go yesterday
27:52 <MrMobodies> the bricks fell out, the ladder was missing feet cover and it cause the ladder to collapse
28:07 <MrMobodies> tescos?
28:32 <MrMobodies> what other supermarkets are around your place?
29:15 <steve30> tesco is in the town centre. We do have a morrisons not too far away but tesco is more convenient
30:25 <MrMobodies> oh
30:34 <MrMobodies> that place I wired up
30:36 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/xjcsTnH
30:43 <MrMobodies> I had build a cupboard
30:46 <MrMobodies> there was nothing in there
30:53 <MrMobodies> and they were very stingy with wood
31:13 <MrMobodies> I wanted pine but they insisted the chipboard stuff
31:37 <MrMobodies> and it took them 2 months to approve a box of cat5e cable
32:10 <MrMobodies> wasn't ideal though it got hot
32:34 <MrMobodies> Steve30 how far is a Waitrose from you?
32:35 <Halcyon> YAY my meter it all done. I have all the government spy radiation now
32:41 <Halcyon> *is
33:09 <steve30> waitrose is 11 miles away in Sheffield. I often go to sheffield for M&S, but everything i typically get at waitrose i can get locally at tesco.
33:15 <MrMobodies> I believe my connection (outgoing) is being monitored bu the GHCQ for terrorism
33:19 <Halcyon> M&S is fancy isn't it?
33:30 <MrMobodies> my waitrose delivery charge is £40
33:39 <MrMobodies> ooh M&s food hall
34:10 <steve30> I tend to consider M&S stuff relatively normal, although some people see it as fancy
34:36 <Halcyon> Maybe you're just fancy yourself Steve
34:43 <MrMobodies> last time i had a sandwich, it was prawn in brown bred
34:49 <MrMobodies> and not many chemicals
34:58 <MrMobodies> I don't know about now though
34:58 <Halcyon> Food shouldn't have chemicals
35:18 <MrMobodies> I should take my phone in the local shop and show you
35:28 <MrMobodies> take pictures and see how they put them in with pride
35:46 <steve30> I don't buy sandwiches
35:47 <MrMobodies> I don't cakes because of that
36:09 <MrMobodies> I remembered in February went in Sainsbury's i think
36:28 <MrMobodies> one chocolate cake, underneath of the box filled with so many ingredients
36:30 <MrMobodies> e numbers
36:38 <MrMobodies> reconsituted stuff
36:38 <steve30> I haven't been to Tesco since january
36:46 <MrMobodies> legal document it was like trying to make sense
37:03 <MrMobodies> my favourite thing before tea
37:10 <MrMobodies> is pickled onions from waitrose
37:21 <MrMobodies> it seems to make the tea taste light to me
37:28 <Ampera> food is 100% chemicals
37:31 <Ampera> by definition
37:37 <MrMobodies> aaah
38:11 <MrMobodies> e numbers and reconstituted stuff, processed food is the word.
38:32 <Halcyon> Not all E and C numbers are chemicals though
38:39 <Halcyon> A lot of it is natural stuffs
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39:16 <Ampera> what
39:28 <Ampera> all natural things are chemicals
39:39 <Halcyon> Yes if you want to look at it at a basic level sure
39:49 <Halcyon> We're talking about actual sythentic stuff made by humans
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39:55 <Ampera> often the same chemicals considered artificial in a different context
39:56 <Halcyon> Those "chemicals"
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40:06 <Ampera> I mean almost all cultivated plants are synthetic too
40:22 <Halcyon> Organic and synthetic are two different things
40:39 <Ampera> and?
40:48 <Ampera> organic foods are usually genetically modified
41:07 <Ampera> and, at least here, can still have been grown with pesticides
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41:16 <Halcyon> GM is another category again
41:30 <Halcyon> Organic and genetically modified are mutually exclusive
41:38 <Ampera> no
41:42 <Halcyon> We're talking about "shit in food" that doesn't belong in food
41:56 <Ampera> almost all cultivated plants have been genetically modified by humans
42:06 <Halcyon> I'm not saying they haven't
42:13 <Halcyon> But they are two different things
43:13 <Ampera> they are, but are not mutually exclusive
43:14 <T3sl4> stychnine doesn't belong in food
43:21 <T3sl4> but it's 100% natural and non GMO
43:27 <Ampera> ^
43:33 <Halcyon> e.g.: Something like Tartrazine which isn't naturally occuring, compared to a dye like riboflavin
43:45 <Ampera> what's wrong with it
44:07 <Halcyon> Well some people are sensitive to it
44:24 <Halcyon> To me azo dyes belong in CD-Rs, not my food
44:46 <Ampera> A lot of people claim sensitivity to a lot of things
44:53 * steve30 offers the channel some dihydrogen monoxide
45:00 <Ampera> however, even if there is a natural allergy to a substance, that can simply be fixed by avoiding that substance
45:06 <Ampera> that doesn't mean, by definition, it is unhealthy
45:16 <Halcyon> I am pretty relaxed with what I eat, but I always choose a more natural option as opposed to foods filled with crap
45:17 <T3sl4> Ampera: hard to avoid if literally everyone uses it
46:02 <Ampera> T3sl4, if everyone uses it, it sounds like most people probably aren't allergic to it, but yes, allergies suck for those who have them
46:09 <Ampera> dairy is in almost everything
46:11 <Halcyon> Well there are also links between synthetic food additives and some types of cancers
46:13 <Ampera> nuts are in a lot of things
46:17 <T3sl4> peanuts, wheat
46:27 <Ampera> Halcyon, known to the state of california to cause cancer?
46:35 <T3sl4> Halcyon: most of the synthetic things we use, either pass harmlessly like anything else indigestible, or are absorbed and metabolized into something similarly harmless
46:37 <Halcyon> I don't care about California
46:51 <Ampera> Synthetic is also a very mushy term
46:51 <Halcyon> Maybe so
47:03 * T3sl4 synthesizes Ampera
47:03 <Halcyon> But I personally avoid them whenever I can, which isn't hard to do
47:05 <Ampera> Table salt is technically synthetic, as it's industrially processed from a different form
47:08 <Halcyon> You just have to read packaging
47:19 <Halcyon> I don't use table salt
47:23 <Halcyon> I use salt salt
48:02 <Halcyon> I don't want my salt to contain anything other than NaCl
48:26 <Ampera> that's what table salt is, Halcyon
48:34 <T3sl4> how would you know? it's a mixture of inorganic chemicals
48:43 <Halcyon> They usually mix it with other stuff, sometimes iodine
48:47 <T3sl4> if there's fish shit in it, you ought to be more concerned than relieved
48:52 <Halcyon> Other times, agents so it doesn't clump
49:06 <Ampera> Iodine is an essential nutrient
49:09 <Ampera> (iirc)
49:28 <Halcyon> I not iodine deficient, we get enough in our diet through food.
49:32 <Ampera> if you use kosher salt, afaik, it is pure NaCl, but is still synthetically produced
49:35 <Halcyon> Same as salt, I rarely add extra
49:39 <T3sl4> well yeah, that's because iodized salt is standard :P
49:48 <T3sl4> fluoridated things too, for teeth health
50:09 * Halcyon has a nibble at T3sl4 
50:25 <MrMobodies> I only like salt with my chips
50:42 * T3sl4 fluoro-communizes Halcyon
50:44 <MrMobodies> when it is added with scrambled eggs or fish pie it seems to ruin the taste for ne
51:03 <Halcyon> I prefer actual flavour to just salty things
51:15 <Halcyon> I use chilli as a replacement to salt in most things
51:17 <MrMobodies> my mum insist it enhances the flavour but I find it does the opposite
51:26 <MrMobodies> chilli in tuna
51:34 <Halcyon> Mmmmm
51:35 <MrMobodies> is something I like and sweetcorn too
51:50 <T3sl4> everyone has their own salt preference, safer to undersalt a dish and allow the diner to adjust upward
51:52 <MrMobodies> with a few wet onions in the bread with the tuna cold
51:59 <Halcyon> Exactly T3sl4
52:22 <Halcyon> I mostly only use salt for boiling pasta or potatos, I want some of that salt to get into the food
52:31 <MrMobodies> joke: some people have their salt(y) preferences with Louise Rossman.
52:42 <MrMobodies> on their botched repairs they send him
53:12 <Ampera> This is besides the point though. The point is that "artificial" does not mean unhealthy
53:20 <MrMobodies> a video he did on people sending him macbooks they tried to repair and they were nice to him
53:21 <Ampera> and fear of "chemicals" is akin to fear of 5G
53:26 <T3sl4> MrMobodies: i've been watching people play FTL (game), it's full of punishing randomness, a fine salt mine
54:04 <Ampera> it amazes me people still play FTL
54:24 <MrMobodies> https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/212680/ss_708e385bd461625790763fb8ddad537d278ad15c.1920x1080.jpg
54:26 <MrMobodies> interesting
54:40 <MrMobodies> I like the colour combinations
54:47 <Halcyon> That's a really generic statement
55:03 <Ampera> that's sort of my point
55:05 <Halcyon> There are a number of food additives that should be avoided or consumed with caution
55:11 <Halcyon> No amount of 5G will cause harm
55:29 <Ampera> apparently iodine is one of those?
55:39 <Halcyon> I never said that
55:56 <Halcyon> I said that I don't consume added iodine because I don't need it
55:57 <MrMobodies> silly question: could it cause harm on an industrial unit if someone power levels turned right up and they were near to it for long periods of time?
56:15 <Ampera> MrMobodies, depending on the power output
56:27 <MrMobodies> okay
56:56 <T3sl4> what kind of industrial unit, power of what kind?
57:03 <MrMobodies> if they are going on street lamps nothing really to worry about I suppose
57:05 <T3sl4> an industrial xray unit, can't say i'd recommend it :P
57:14 <MrMobodies> one that transmits long distance
57:19 <T3sl4> a... power supply or something, don't care
57:22 <Ampera> even high power non ionizing EM can cause injury
57:28 <MrMobodies> I am not sure myself on the permissable power levels of 5g though
57:33 <Ampera> but it's a matter of energy
57:57 <T3sl4> basically any radiation below visible light in energy, has only thermal effects on the body
58:30 <T3sl4> the intensities required to cause physiological harm are difficult to produce inside machines, let alone outside them, or in a room
58:31 <Ampera> T3sl4, did you see the Tom Scott video about how one of the first uses for the microwave oven was to humanely heat hamsters?
58:37 <T3sl4> yes
58:46 <Ampera> that was quite neat
59:16 <T3sl4> e.g. fields >1T inside transformers, in larger spaces you need superconducting magnets, and even then MRIs are just fine to be in, not that i'd recommend it for extended periods just because that'd be weird
59:47 <Ampera> well that's magnetism, not electromagnetism, right?
00:07 <T3sl4> it's electromagnetism if you move. ever tried taking an aluminum block into one?
00:25 <Ampera> I've never been inside an MRI
01:14 <DHess_US> <MrMobodies> https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/apps/212680/ss_708e385bd461625790763fb8ddad537d278ad15c.1920x1080.jpg
01:22 <DHess_US> What game is that? I looks like Sundog.
01:41 <T3sl4> FTL: Faster Than Light
01:52 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SunDog:_Frozen_Legacy
01:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - SunDog: Frozen Legacy - Wikipedia
01:59 <T3sl4> you may or may not've noticed me bragging about plays before :P
02:05 <steve30> I made Comment of the Week!
02:06 <steve30> https://odysee.com/@ThriftyAV:0/comment12:a
02:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Odysee Comment of the Week! 16 May 2021 through 22 May 2021
03:56 <DHess_US> Lol, I have that game but never played it.
04:13 <DHess_US> Bought it because it reminded me of Sundog, but never played.
05:03 <T3sl4> heh, i suppose it could, given the decades difference in graphics and game mechanics
05:43 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://youtu.be/liDjr439-fY?t=50
05:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Lenz's Law Demonstration in 1.5 Tesla MRI.mp4
06:27 <MrMobodies> back
06:36 <Ampera> neat
06:47 <MrMobodies> oh same link
07:04 <MrMobodies> I am not sure I search for
07:09 <MrMobodies> ftl
07:14 <MrMobodies> and that game up
07:47 <MrMobodies> wow that thing moving
07:49 <MrMobodies> like that
07:53 <MrMobodies> or influenced
08:12 <MrMobodies> aah magnetic field
08:16 <MrMobodies> with the aluminium
08:24 <MrMobodies> didn't read it correctly
08:39 <MrMobodies> no audio though
11:17 <MrMobodies> oh also here is a British "Plain Egg Sandwich" I found somewhere
11:24 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/WQlHYCJ.jpg
12:31 <DHess_US> Christ, I've gone blind.
12:49 <Ampera> hahaha
13:48 <MrMobodies> An agent in there treated it to all sort of things including presveratives and e numbers.
13:56 <T3sl4> it has lecithin oh no Halcyon's gonna go blind reading all that!
14:40 <Ampera> He's already blind. I know, he's seen pictures of me and not gone running
15:00 <T3sl4> true. he easily masturbates enough too
15:46 <MrMobodies> Dhess_US why have you gone blind?
15:52 <MrMobodies> temporary blindness?
16:00 <DHess_US> <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/WQlHYCJ.jpg
16:07 <MrMobodies> oh that
16:27 <Halcyon> :p
16:27 <MrMobodies> I suppose with enough those it could make someone go blind.
16:54 <MrMobodies> as I said it sometimes reminds me of reading a legal document when that is four times larger ont he cakes
17:08 <MrMobodies> let see if I can find that one on line I saw
17:54 <DHess_US> Obligatory, https://clip.cafe/highlander-1986/ive-gone-blind/
17:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - "Christ, I've gone blind!" - Highlander quote
19:44 <T3sl4> and speaking of legal documents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8xhdL8BPvU
19:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Battle of SHARKS!
20:01 <MrMobodies> https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/cadbury-swiss-gateau-340g
20:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sainsbury's online Grocery Shopping and Fresh Food Delivery
20:05 <Halcyon> Mmmm automated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA_Gdui7sug
20:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: How It's Actually Made - Pre-Packaged Sandwiches
20:12 <MrMobodies> https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/product/large-seriously-chocolate-cake-128kg-serves-20-
20:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sainsbury's online Grocery Shopping and Fresh Food Delivery
20:30 <MrMobodies> I am pretty sure I have seen more on the package
20:38 <Halcyon> "Miscellaneous salad" Yes, I want that flavour
21:16 <MrMobodies> battling with the newspapers
21:37 <MrMobodies> think my chicken has finished cooking
22:01 * Halcyon nibbles on MrMobodies's leg
23:00 <Jens> Re: How It's Actually Made --> For a moment there I wasn't sure if it was serious or not.
23:06 * Ampera suckles on Halcyon's peg
23:14 <Ampera> hrm, tastes like ginger beer
23:16 <Halcyon> It took me a few minutes to realise it was dubbed
26:37 <Jens> I've had some shit jobs, but sandwich packer at a conveyor line looks worse than any of them.
27:16 <Ampera> sometimes I think working in human waste might be a fun occupation
27:37 <Jens> I heard those dudes make bank.
27:48 <Ampera> no surprise there
28:09 <Ampera> it'd also be cool to be one of the guys who comes by with the scraper and peels people's guts up off the freeway when they crash
28:56 <Jens> Yes, I've seen those incidents on 4chan. I'm sure it's not traumatising at all.
30:20 <T3sl4> working in Ampera doesn't sound like a lot of fun
30:36 <Ampera> I've never really been on 4chan
30:49 <Ampera> I can only handle so much blunt force stupidity in a single day, and this channel takes up most of it
32:22 <T3sl4> it's like being surrounded by Amperas, but most of them don't even know computer stuff or anything else technical
32:42 <Halcyon> I'm going to have a shower
32:53 <steve30> I went on one of our new tram routes a couple of years ago. The announcements on there sounded like they were done by the same person who narates the english version of How Its Made.
33:05 <Ampera> maybe it was
33:23 <T3sl4> How Its Made
33:25 <T3sl4> Maybe It Was
34:24 <steve30> I wouldn't be surprised. I also went on another route and the voice on that was clearly the same person who does the jobcentre's telephones.
39:03 <steve30> As for how its made though, I prefer the hot canadian swimmer guy :p
42:24 <MrMobodies> I remember 4chan
42:26 <MrMobodies> 2005
42:49 <MrMobodies> the owner was asking for donations to buy these Dell servers to run in house, I think
42:55 <MrMobodies> and there was criticism over it
43:02 <MrMobodies> and they did this cartoon
43:24 <MrMobodies> only visited a couple of times and forgfot about it
43:44 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/fWVwZ5W.jpg
43:53 <MrMobodies> I enjoyed it but forgot to read the package
44:10 <MrMobodies> the chicken camr from Aldi, I'll look later
44:28 <MrMobodies> the long things are extra long fish fingers from Birds eye
46:08 <MrMobodies> oh nothing
46:09 <MrMobodies> https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.4chan.org/
46:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Wayback Machine
46:15 <MrMobodies> not on archive anymore
47:14 <Jens> Bit tricky to archive 4chan like that, due to it stupidly short retention.
49:57 <MrMobodies> there was a flash player cartoon with a whiny frog in it
50:25 <MrMobodies> criticising the website and why should moot be donated $2000 to buy some servers
50:45 <MrMobodies> I think it was done as a joke for a bit of amusement
51:45 <MrMobodies> found it
57:26 <MrMobodies> canm#t get it to convert
57:37 <MrMobodies> it plays in Media classic player, but not vlan only audio
57:46 <MrMobodies> and the online converters do the same
17:21 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
17:51 <Ampera> and like a fart in the wind, he's gone
17:58 <Ampera> and where he was, reeks
55:44 <MrMobodies> I found a way of converting it
55:46 <MrMobodies> https://youtu.be/2Gajv9z15pQ
55:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 4 chan
56:04 <MrMobodies> Sharex has a built in screen recording with audio too
56:28 <MrMobodies> oh and it wasn't a frog who was complaining
02:08 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/Ic4pnqk.jpg
02:37 <MrMobodies> I didn't know some flash player stuff differ
02:43 <MrMobodies> but it is a bit old though
03:04 <MrMobodies> would not convert properly with any online converter
09:26 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
09:47 <Ampera> <3
10:01 <Ampera> how are you Halcyon
10:08 <Halcyon> I'm OK, how are you?
10:20 <Ampera> sleepy
10:35 <Halcyon> Then be asleep
11:35 <MrMobodies> unfortunately I don't think it be practical to install kde plasma on this phone
11:37 <MrMobodies> https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Sony_Xperia_XA2_(sony-pioneer)
11:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sony Xperia XA2 (sony-pioneer) - postmarketOS
11:56 <MrMobodies> wifi don't work and don't know how it will affect the battery
12:19 <Halcyon> A have a Motorola Xoom tablet that I should probably look at doing something with
12:31 <MrMobodies> and the Nokia model ta1100 isn't eveb listeds
12:31 <Halcyon> It's running Android 4 which basically doesn't work with much anymore
12:52 <MrMobodies> I have that marshallow one on my J5
13:01 <MrMobodies> able to stop the animations
13:14 <MrMobodies> that's the reason I want to do it
13:38 <MrMobodies> use the tweaking to put a stop to that UI nonsense
13:49 <MrMobodies> when I tap I don't want a shadow to appear
14:14 <MrMobodies> when I open a menu or diaogue I don't want the rest of the screen to dim darkly
14:42 <MrMobodies> it hurts my eyes, cuts me off the content (I might be looking stuff or notes in the background) and irritates me
14:58 <MrMobodies> yesterday I using the pub wifi, it was in the way so I moved the notes around a bit
15:20 <MrMobodies> I took the key down on the phone notes
15:37 <MrMobodies> if the background was dimmed so like the sony I wouldn't be able to read it
18:21 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/GJ8XiDC
18:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Sony XA2 Android 9 DIMMING - Album on Imgur
18:25 <MrMobodies> that's what I mean
20:00 <MrMobodies> comparison to the Samsung J5
20:06 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/yQsU7nV.jpg
20:25 <MrMobodies> what do you think of that dimming?
20:56 <Halcyon> That's a bit annoying
24:25 <Halcyon> That looks delicious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Z6mtWvXM4
24:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Spicy Pasta Recipe | Spicy Macaroni | Spicy Mac & Cheese | Hot & Spicy Pasta | Masala Pasta
27:30 <T3sl4> did you make my mac yet?
27:34 <Halcyon> Not yet
27:59 <MrMobodies> t first I thought thry were prawns
28:10 <MrMobodies> the pasta inb the sauce
29:00 <Halcyon> Prawns would go alright in there too
29:43 <T3sl4> hmm, cream and tomato paste sauce, that'll be quite rich
32:13 <Halcyon> I'd add more chilly though
32:15 <Halcyon> chilli
35:23 <MrMobodies> there's one thing I like it is a Samba addon
35:34 <MrMobodies> I had to unroot the Samsung J5 for it to work
35:39 <MrMobodies> whatever it is called
35:41 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/Pqoy60w
35:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - Samsung J5 with Samba - Album on Imgur
35:58 <MrMobodies> I can just take photos and copy them directly
36:06 <MrMobodies> and get anything I want
36:27 <MrMobodies> I want to get that working on the Sony but only after I find a solution with the animations
36:39 <MrMobodies> do you use something like that?
36:46 <MrMobodies> to get the pictures?
37:44 <MrMobodies> very handy for taking pictures of parcels and no messing about.
38:35 <MrMobodies> Android version 6.0.1
40:29 <MrMobodies> there are glitches though, for the menus the left and right button needs to be pressed but it also triggers the mode where all the opened stuff shows
41:23 <MrMobodies> and it says it's not running when it is
44:23 <MrMobodies> found it, last release 2014
44:26 <MrMobodies> https://apkpure.com/samba-filesharing-for-android/com.funkyfresh.samba
44:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Please Wait... | Cloudflare
47:04 <MrMobodies> I don't like pasta but I am thinking of giving it another go
47:05 <MrMobodies> https://youtu.be/X-Z6mtWvXM4
47:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Spicy Pasta Recipe | Spicy Macaroni | Spicy Mac & Cheese | Hot & Spicy Pasta | Masala Pasta
47:14 <MrMobodies> oops https://youtu.be/X-Z6mtWvXM4?t=9
47:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Spicy Pasta Recipe | Spicy Macaroni | Spicy Mac & Cheese | Hot & Spicy Pasta | Masala Pasta
47:19 <MrMobodies> after seeing that
47:49 <MrMobodies> when it last prepared it had nothing on it but to dip into red tasteless sauce that made me sick
52:26 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooz-JipavMU
52:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: LARGEST RC AIRBUS A380 SECOND FLIGHT
52:32 <Halcyon> That is so friggin cool
54:25 <Halcyon> That would be an expensive toy
56:58 <steve30> Interesting dating profile:
57:03 <steve30> "Interested in embedded systems programming such as avr;arm;dspic;c;c++Interested in dating hot &emotional gay."
03:21 <Halcyon> Sounds like AI
03:33 <Halcyon> "I want to date a gay"
05:24 <steve30> Makes more sense than "I want to date a lesbian"
17:13 <steve30> On a related note I've had a chat with someone local on recon.com who might be "do-able"
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41:15 <Halcyon> Pics?
41:16 <Halcyon> :P
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42:06 <Halcyon> Heya alfbaz
42:30 * alfbaz hugs Halcyon
43:04 <alfbaz> this night shift shit is killing me
45:26 <Halcyon> Yeh it's horrible
45:30 <Halcyon> What do you do again?
45:42 <alfbaz> ...and like an idiot I said yes to an overtime shift so have to go again tonight
45:48 <Halcyon> Gross
45:52 <alfbaz> leco in the mines
45:57 <Halcyon> Ahhh
46:02 <Halcyon> At least the pay would be good
46:10 <steve30> Right, I should pop out to Tesco. Then I'm going to have food when I get back. I might even open a beer :)
46:24 <alfbaz> mmmm beer
46:53 <alfbaz> Halcyon I do weekend nightshift so yeah good coin
47:19 <Halcyon> I'm having a wine Steve
47:23 <Halcyon> Helps my throat
49:53 <alfbaz> if it wasn't for the moola i'd be oughta there in a heartbeat, it's such a brain dead job filled with brain dead ppl
51:20 <alfbaz> if you're not up on the latest footy scores you wont be having any conversations :P
52:33 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Big dumpster beast with an itty bitty motherboard https://t.co/d2QazsTvjw
54:31 <Halcyon> Sounds like me alfbaz
54:48 <Halcyon> Sports is one of those things that could drop off the face of the earth tomorrow and I wouldn't bat an eyelid
55:01 <alfbaz> likewise
56:14 <alfbaz> nothing annoys me more than sitting to watch an hour long news boradcast with 5mins of news and 55mins of sports
56:39 <Halcyon> I have to turn off the radio if sports comes on. I can't stand it
57:23 <Halcyon> But yeh the night shifts are a killer. I couldn't do them anymore.
57:27 <Halcyon> 4 years of that was enough for me
57:46 <alfbaz> what doing?
57:59 <Halcyon> When I worked in general duties policing
58:05 <Halcyon> That was about 10 years ago now
58:42 <alfbaz> would of been interesting at times I imagine, if not terrifying
59:07 <Halcyon> I had fun. I can't say there was ever a time I was afraid.
59:22 <Halcyon> But yeh the shifts sucked. I felt like a zombie for 2-3 days afterwards
59:45 <Halcyon> Granted you got 4-6 days off to recover, but half of that was trying to adjust sleeping patterns.
00:18 <alfbaz> yeah that sleep deficate thing is certainly real. Until you pay it bacj you are stuffed
00:41 <Halcyon> Well they say you never pay it back. You can't "catch up" as such
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01:37 <alfbaz> I read up on it heaps when I fist did it, it has some real and tangible health issues
01:55 <Halcyon> Oh yeh, long term night shifts can take years off your life
02:11 <Halcyon> It's much worse if you constantly swap between days and nights
04:03 <alfbaz> ooh ahh, up until recently I was doin W/E N/S and comming in for an OT shift on tuesday D/S, so i'd finish monday morning and have to get up at 4am tuesday morning. That was the whole week fucked
04:15 <Halcyon> Yuck
04:32 <Halcyon> Do you fly in/out from home or are you local to work?
05:52 <alfbaz> nearly all the guys at work have done that shit at some time or another, fortunately there are plenty of mines in the illawarra. at the moment it's a half hour drive each way
06:07 <Halcyon> Can't ask for better than that
06:19 <Halcyon> Takes me typically 1 hr 15 mins to get to work (each way)
07:12 <alfbaz> Is that a cruising 1.5hr along a freeway or traffic galore?
07:28 <Halcyon> The first half is freeway, then it's usually traffic
07:40 <Halcyon> Sometimes it flows, other times it doesn't.
08:20 <alfbaz> that'd suck. my commute is all freeway, not one single trafic light, there or back :P
10:59 <Halcyon> Yeh, at least I love well away from the city. It makes it worth while
12:46 <alfbaz> The missus would kill me if I love'd away from home :P
13:01 <Halcyon> *live
13:12 <Halcyon> Forgive me, I have a cold and my brain is broke
13:21 <alfbaz> lol
13:22 <Halcyon> Haven't slept well the last few nights
14:09 <Halcyon> Meanwhile I'm on-hold to Energy Australia... just got my smart meter installed today so going to switch over to a time-of-use tariff
15:47 <alfbaz> I was dead againts smart meters but given what you've said regarding selg pwr generation you'd almost have to be nut not to go time-of-use
15:56 <Halcyon> It makes sense (for me)
16:42 <Halcyon> I can do a full battery charge overnight at 14.64c/kWh
17:13 <Halcyon> I'm finding especially at this time of year with cloud/rain and short days, I don't get a full charge off solar
17:30 <alfbaz> I wonder, could it be charged off of the off-peak meter?
17:41 <Halcyon> You can charge it off anything
18:32 <Halcyon> It's a feature of the battery, it's off by default but you can specify what time(s) it is allowed to charge off the grid and to what percentage
20:30 <Halcyon> So because it's nice and cool in the middle of the night, I set it to charge between 0100-0500 to 100% then it doesn't start discharging again until 0700 (when the shoulder period kicks in)
25:11 <alfbaz> When I said off-peak I meant the second meter in your box. It traditionally powered the hot water heater at night and was turned on by the power company during the least demand
25:32 <Halcyon> Oh right, like a controlled load?
25:36 <Halcyon> I don't have that here
25:46 <alfbaz> they sent some sp[ecial ripple down the line to turn on the off peak meter
26:28 <alfbaz> I gues the time of use meter would be exactly the same anyway
26:34 <Halcyon> Yeh that's controlled load. I don't have that. My hot water is on-demand gas.
26:48 <Halcyon> I guess? I don't know what the prices are for CL
27:11 <Halcyon> Time of use just goes in blocks... so from the quote I got...
28:21 <Halcyon> Peak 1300 to 1959
28:21 <Halcyon> 39.69 cents/kWh
28:21 <Halcyon> Off-Peak 2200 to 0659
28:21 <Halcyon> 19.53 cents/kWh
28:21 <Halcyon> Shoulder 0700 to 1259
28:22 <Halcyon> 30.74 cents/kWh
28:24 <Halcyon> Shoulder 2000 to 2159
28:26 <Halcyon> 30.74 cents/kWh
28:30 <Halcyon> Then weekends is all off-peak
28:56 <Halcyon> But the meter itself gets time/date from the cellular network (or an NTP) as I can see the correct seconds ticking over on the meter itself
29:19 <Halcyon> (Those are without discount obviously)
30:26 <alfbaz> weekend all off-peak? That sounds strange
30:48 <Halcyon> That's what it says 24 hours on weekends is charged at off-peak rates
31:05 <alfbaz> how good is that!?!
31:12 <Halcyon> I guess because there is a more smooth demand curve? Not people getting home and pumping the aircon
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32:16 <alfbaz> I'm guessing you would be monitoring big loads in your house, how big a load is the aircon?
32:42 <Halcyon> My A/C is 3-phase so it pulls something like 6-7 kW heating
32:47 <Halcyon> Not sure about cooling
33:29 <alfbaz> 3 phase, I'm so jealous right now :P
33:50 <Halcyon> I didn't have a choice. A single phase system would have been way too small for the house
33:56 <Halcyon> (This is ducted btw)
34:33 <Halcyon> You'd have 3-phase in the street, it's just a matter of running it to your switchboard
34:44 <Halcyon> They did that by default for me as part of the build
34:44 <alfbaz> ducted, sweet! we were quoted north of 10G for ducted so cheaped it out
34:58 <Halcyon> Yeh sounds about right
37:02 <alfbaz> I can work around the lack of 3 phase mostly the problem I have is trying to test fault find 3 phase gear if I take on a job at home
37:55 <Halcyon> Surely an electician qualified to work on the distribution side of things can run 3 phases to your house?
38:50 <Halcyon> Especially if it's pole to house
38:55 <alfbaz> last I looked it was going to cost around 3 grand to get it connected, that was 10 years ago
39:08 <Halcyon> Seems a bit rich
39:30 <alfbaz> I'm sure who ever owns the poles would want their own people to connect it
40:10 <Kuschelpony> hmm, just throwing in an idea: a rotary phase converter that takes single phase and creates threephase
40:45 <Kuschelpony> in the most basic form its an old motor plus run capacitors, running idle and acting as a kind of phase-shifting autotransformer
40:54 <alfbaz> what like a single phase motor driving a 3 phase genny?
41:27 <alfbaz> I posted to quick
41:39 <alfbaz> is that a thing you can buy?
42:00 <Kuschelpony> either to buy or to DIY
42:06 <Halcyon> alfbaz, I don't know how it works but I know there are third party people who can do the work, they just have to have some other level of certification above a normal electrician.
42:16 <Kuschelpony> and not two seperated machines but just one single that does both tasks in one
42:34 * alfbaz starts googling
42:35 <Halcyon> For example, the guy who installed the meter today wasn't from Endeavour Energy, he was some other company
43:06 <Kuschelpony> its just a bit more complicated if you need wye connection rather than delta
43:52 <Halcyon> That's going beyond my level of understanding Kuschelpony
43:55 <Halcyon> *shrug*
44:03 <alfbaz> I wonder wye
44:09 <Kuschelpony> hmm, shoiuld i try to explain?
44:19 <Halcyon> Sure, I am always keen to learn
44:28 <alfbaz> I'd be up for it
44:39 <Halcyon> alfbaz, that sounds like a T3sl4 joke :P
44:53 <Kuschelpony> so basically think about you have a three phase motor and lets assume the coil voltages are equal to your mains voltage
45:18 <Kuschelpony> you connect the first motor coil directly to line and neutral of your mains
45:51 <Kuschelpony> you connect the next "earlier" motor coil through a run capacitor to the line
46:35 <Kuschelpony> if the capacitor is sized well (that depends on experimentation but for 230V a good rule of thumb is 70µF per kw) the phase shift gets somewhat close to -120°
47:07 <Kuschelpony> you connect the third coil through another capacitor to the second coil in the same way, so the phase shifts add up
47:43 <Kuschelpony> now this is somewhat far from a stable and balanced threephase wye, but it will certainly start and run the motor
48:57 <Kuschelpony> when the motor is up to speed its acting as a generator as well
49:03 <Halcyon> But in terms of residential power (like what I have)... the three phases are essentially completely independant circuits?
49:13 <Halcyon> So my A/C is the only thing that uses all three phases
49:23 <Halcyon> Everything else is split "evenly" across all three
49:24 <Kuschelpony> i answeert this nexct when i am finished with the converter
49:37 <Kuschelpony> when the motor is up to speed its acting as a generator as well
50:38 <Kuschelpony> so it takes the magnetization from the coil which has a higher voltage, rotates its phase with its mechanical rotation, and adds current to the other two phases to improve their derivation from the capacitors
51:20 <Kuschelpony> so in the end, if your motor is sized to something at least double of your load, it acts reasonably well as a source of threephase voltage
51:34 <Kuschelpony> in resident power:
52:08 <Kuschelpony> your supply in the streets is a 4-wire circuit, which means three independ phases (with 120° relative to ech) that are referenced to a common ground
52:23 <Kuschelpony> depending on your contract you either get only one phase or all three
52:39 <Kuschelpony> most loads use just one phase and are attempted to be evenly distributed
53:03 <Kuschelpony> bigger loads, or these which want a simple robust motor connect all three phases and use the rotating field made by them
53:05 <Kuschelpony> ok--
53:24 <Kuschelpony> i hope i did explain it halfway understandable, please ask where not
53:43 <Halcyon> So I understand the three phases in my street are more or less evenly distributed among the houses, but even at my meter box, the three phases are distributed among my various circuits.
54:12 <Halcyon> One day a possum crawled up and took out one of the three phases in the street. I still had lights and some power, but other circuit breakers were dead.
54:31 <Kuschelpony> yes all right so
55:55 <alfbaz> Thank you so much Kuschelpony with regard to the 3 phase motor driven by a combination of single phase and capacitors...
56:33 <Kuschelpony> i might make a schematic later, still in the breakfast phase here
56:36 <alfbaz> where would you take your output from, between the coils and the caps?
57:00 <Kuschelpony> in paralell to the three coils, with the neutral at the wye point where they join
57:29 <alfbaz> so the motor is to be wye connected?
58:28 <Halcyon> Recently I've been watching videos on syncroscopes, the old light bulb type. They are fascinating.
58:43 <Halcyon> Especially when they are bringing large loads (like a whole power plant) online
58:43 <Kuschelpony> yes
58:49 <Kuschelpony> and yes as well
59:28 <Kuschelpony> oh you should be really careful to watch the syncronousope, even if someone is skileld you might feel the building jump when switching in
59:55 <Halcyon> They say close the breaker somewhere around the 10-11 o'clock position?
59:55 <Kuschelpony> trying to remember the museum waterwheel power plant, somewhere in thuringa that i visited
00:40 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i would watch for "1 minute" before 12, but maybe their machines have specific timing considerations
00:57 <Halcyon> I'd imagine closing it at the wrong time leads to an almost short circuit and very loud/expensive things happen?
01:21 <Kuschelpony> shoertcircuit no, could be doubly as worse...
01:40 <Halcyon> So let's just say you closed a breaker at 6 o'clock
01:50 <Kuschelpony> when you connect in antiphase you get the double bang of just a short circuit as you have the double voltage
01:54 <Halcyon> The bigger load would eventually bring the smaller one into sync, but it wouldn't happen gracefully.
02:41 <Kuschelpony> lets say... there are enough photos on the web where the mechanical structure of the building has taken part of the synchronization process to rotate the phase
02:51 <Halcyon> Gees
02:51 <alfbaz> I use to do just that on the ships, bring a 2nd alternator on line, manually switch it in using the lights or the synchroscope needle then start shedding load from one to the other
04:00 <alfbaz> the alternators where rated around 1.2MW
04:43 <alfbaz> on the later ships you could do it in auto but where was the fun in that :P
04:49 <Kuschelpony> <insrt a rant of my drawing pens failing here>
05:23 * alfbaz hands Kuschelpony a pencil
05:41 <Halcyon> A mechnical pencil?
06:12 <alfbaz> ... and a sharpener :P
08:36 <Halcyon> Why do you need a sharpener with a mechanical pencil?
08:54 <alfbaz> I like doing things the hard way :P
09:07 <Halcyon> I'd love to see you sharper that lead
09:30 <Halcyon> Also, I found my new favourite cooking channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cseza8K0I
09:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 쉬운재료로 에그 부리또 만들기 :: 계란요리 :: Egg Burrito :: Breakfast Recipe
09:33 <Halcyon> That looks amazing
09:38 <Halcyon> So simple too
10:07 <Halcyon> The jalapenos are a nice touch
10:21 <alfbaz> ooh rotary phase converters aren't cheap!
10:49 * alfbaz looks at the missus and wonders what's for tea
11:15 <Halcyon> You don't cook alfbaz ?
11:17 <alfbaz> Halcyon is making me hungry... again!
11:22 <Halcyon> Sorry
11:26 <Halcyon> I just love cooking
11:33 <Halcyon> It's relaxation for me
12:36 <alfbaz> lol, not much although the other day I made a mad dish inspired by one of your links... dagerous territory the missus said I shgould cook more
12:49 <Halcyon> Oh? What did you make?
13:22 <alfbaz> That roast chicken dish by the guy with the tats
13:37 <Halcyon> Oh Nat. He does really good simple videos
13:52 <alfbaz> very entertaining
13:54 <Halcyon> I'd love to meet him one day, he lives in Sydney somewhere
14:23 <Kuschelpony> bnhttp://pics44.de/img/i/2/o/1kqglzzq.jpg
14:27 <alfbaz> There's something so familiar about him. I can't quite pin point it
14:31 <Kuschelpony> http://pics44.de/img/i/2/o/1kqglzzq.jpg
14:39 <Halcyon> How did the chicken turn out?
14:54 <Halcyon> Even on graph paper, how fancy :P
15:18 <Kuschelpony> well, lets say i do have blocks of paper all around my house and in my backpack, as "idea collectors"
15:26 <Kuschelpony> just the pen colelction should get more mainteance
15:28 <alfbaz> Kuschelpony, lol google fixed it for you
15:39 <Kuschelpony> hmm?
17:12 <alfbaz> never mind, my brain fart
17:58 <alfbaz> nice. I could get my hands on a 3 phase motor and some caps and do some experimenting
18:12 <Kuschelpony> anyway, thats a threephase wye connected Phasenspaltermaschine
18:26 <Kuschelpony> or as you call it in english rotary phase converter
19:16 <Kuschelpony> yes, just look that the motor is considerably oversized related to your load, as it will have to do a double duty i nthis circuit
19:32 <Kuschelpony> as in taking in one phase and outputting two others
20:15 <Kuschelpony> if your mains voltage is 230V try to get a motor with also 230V voil voltage (as has been previous already in wye connection)
21:36 <alfbaz> Thanks heaps Kuschelpny, certainly something I'll look into. Just one question looking at that schematic would the line volatge output be sqr root 3 * incoming mains voltage?
21:43 <Kuschelpony> oh and that crap piece of drawing is freeware, just use it where you want
21:51 <Kuschelpony> no
22:03 <alfbaz> Kuschelpony cad
22:13 <Kuschelpony> the line out voltage would be the same as the line in voltage so 230V in 3* 230V out
22:41 <Kuschelpony> but between phases you get 230V*sqrt(3)=400V also
22:56 <alfbaz> to be clear 230V in then between L1 and L2 230V also?
23:01 <Kuschelpony> no
23:11 <Kuschelpony> 230V between L and N at the input
23:21 <Halcyon> alfbaz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlOywSJnPOU
23:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 바삭바삭 참치멜트 토스트 만들기 :: 핵꿀맛! 참치 샌드위치 :: 상상 그이상의 맛 :: Tuna Melt Sandwich :: Luch Box
23:23 <alfbaz> ahh ok that's what I thought
23:24 <Kuschelpony> 230V between L1 and N, L2 and N and L3 and N output
23:40 <Halcyon> I am very fond of toasted sammiches, I will definitely try this
23:44 <Kuschelpony> 400V between L1 and L2, L2 and L3, L3 and L1 output
24:03 <alfbaz> Well that's exactly what I want!
24:11 <Kuschelpony> thats why i explicitly refer to the wye circuit
24:33 <alfbaz> The problem with inverter is you get 3 phase but 230V between phases
24:36 <Kuschelpony> the delta seems to be more known but has no N at the output and requires to rewire machinery
24:54 <Kuschelpony> hmm, im not sure what you refer with "inverter" ?
25:51 <Kuschelpony> hmm maybe a variable frequency drive? thats the same as a delta rotary
25:56 <alfbaz> you know those variable speed drives that take in 230V mains, rectify to DC and then create 3 pahse output
26:00 <Kuschelpony> yes
26:36 <Kuschelpony> thats the same as a delta rotary converter, i explicitly mentioned the less well known wye rotary, as this one gives full threephase output (but needs more fiddling with capacitor values)
27:28 <alfbaz> Shame I'm not at my old job, I wpould have lots of access to large high voltage caps
27:56 <Kuschelpony> oh, plain motor run caps do just perfectly
28:08 <Kuschelpony> avoid the motor start caps, they could overheat and explode
28:43 <alfbaz> That's good news, they're relatively cheap
28:52 <Kuschelpony> yeah, while i als ohave some nice toys at my current job, most gear is in my personal collection in my basement, but ehm... there are reasons i dont want to make photos :)
29:08 <alfbaz> lol
30:25 <Halcyon> I'm curious now Kuschelpony
30:29 <Halcyon> What are the reasons :P
30:43 <Kuschelpony> perhaps the same you dont post photos of your basement :)
30:49 <alfbaz> where I work now you are not allowed to take home anything, even if it's waiting to be taken away to the dump
31:12 <alfbaz> yeah guys we all know gimps are camera shy :P
31:20 <Kuschelpony> mmh, thats gernerally the same in germany, i have an lucky exception
32:09 <Kuschelpony> here it is commonly the thing that thigns are not "waste" but "resources" that are already sold to recycling companies
32:33 <alfbaz> yes smaller employers here are much more tolerant when it comes to how the deal with waste
35:48 <Kuschelpony> but electronics became very boring over the years for me, so i do non langer make the awesome projects, just small neccesities and to practise to not let my skills rust
36:28 <Kuschelpony> maybe i finish my TDA7294 diff amp layout today, when the rain outaside does not stop
36:46 <alfbaz> Electronic projects at home are the only thing keeping my brain active as work is no longer a challenge
37:11 <Kuschelpony> mmh yeah, right so
38:00 <Kuschelpony> its just that other parts of my life have turned out to be also at least as well as important or even more
38:33 <alfbaz> diff amp? so not its intended hifi application?
38:43 <Kuschelpony> so whats more missing in my life are other more creative activities and personal experiences
39:18 <Kuschelpony> close to Hi-Fi but with the input configured as differential
40:13 <Kuschelpony> im a big friend of XLr connections where signal reference is entirely independ of a solid shieldground
41:26 <alfbaz> ahh, ok
41:31 <Kuschelpony> and this specific board is primarily for a new speaker test box, where signal in and out is from a PC
42:07 <alfbaz> what pcb layout program do you use?
42:10 <Kuschelpony> so good reasons to have independ signal references, while a full faraday cage shield with mesh ground
42:18 <Kuschelpony> historic versions of KiCAD
42:39 <alfbaz> historic?
42:47 <Kuschelpony> i have not yet updated to the current ones, still use an slightly dated Xubuntu install
43:35 <Kuschelpony> from i think about 2015, thats the last version that was marked as "stable" and until recently standard in linux distributions that care for stability rather than for experimental "night builds"
44:06 <Kuschelpony> the recent new stable is already available
47:32 <Kuschelpony> but well... as said above i feel electronic to be not more the number one priority in my life, there is other stuff more interesting that i would spend my money and time now
47:42 <Kuschelpony> like https://d.furaffinity.net/art/firestormsix/1592030500/1592030500.firestormsix_granite_002.jpg
51:20 <alfbaz> That is certainly a deviation from electronics :P But I agree, recent events in my life have caused me to look elsewhere for creative endeavours
52:04 <Kuschelpony> btw: its also the reason for my name (literal for cuddly pony)
52:53 <Kuschelpony> i still keep my brain active with lots of electronics, physics and some part of math ideas, its just non longer my main interest
53:57 <alfbaz> yes there are other parts of our brain that need outlet no just the academic part
57:44 <alfbaz> nice chatting guys, I'm off have to help with dinner
57:56 <Kuschelpony> im not sure if i have an academic part, more like a intense interest in technical issues in the gerneral way, and self-teached and developed most concepts to really understand them
58:05 <Kuschelpony> ok, good dinner
59:32 <alfbaz> thanks, good night
59:55 <Kuschelpony> its just ararting the day here :)
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31:15 <steve30> hi
32:23 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
32:32 <Halcyon> How is your beer?
32:43 <steve30> nice :)
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33:07 <Halcyon> I've had a few wines but I am all stuffed up from my cold :(
33:54 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
34:05 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir \o/
34:35 <Ysjoelfir> hey Halcyon
34:42 * Ysjoelfir is annoyed by nordvpn
34:51 <Halcyon> Why is that?
36:59 <Ysjoelfir> first, the app starts SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW as hell, takes like five minutes to start and asks me to log into my account every time, which it doesn't manage to do correctly, so I have to kill the app and restart it a second time, and NOW it starts
37:23 <Halcyon> Doesn't sound ideal
37:52 <Ysjoelfir> also, it somehow kills my network connection (at least for opera and my mails), despite windows indicating that there is network over my 10GB NIC
37:58 <Ysjoelfir> erm
38:02 <Ysjoelfir> before it is loaded up
38:27 <Halcyon> I've noticed Windows 10 has trouble with prioritising network connections/metrics
38:30 <Ysjoelfir> it has a "kill switch" function that kills the network connection when no VPN is present, but I disabled that, so.....
39:02 <Halcyon> For example, there is a known issue where if you have a wired adapter, it assumes priority on that over any wireless (incl. cellular) connections
39:18 <Halcyon> The problem is, when it can't find internet, it doesn't fail over properly.
39:34 * steve30 hisses at the Windows
39:35 <Ysjoelfir> yep, it definitely has. I had to uninstall the drivers for my 1GB NIC that wasn't even active, so that it reliably connects to the 10G
40:23 <Halcyon> We have an issue at work. A lot of our laptops have built-in SIM cards, but as soon as you go to connect it to anything else, internet dies
40:43 <Ysjoelfir> "nice"
40:54 <Halcyon> You literally have to go into the registry and add a key to prevent it
41:07 <Halcyon> Whereas before, you can just set up metrics for each adapter
41:58 <Ysjoelfir> I was very satisfied with win10 for a long time now, but somehow I get the impression that they use the updates to just add more and more bugs
42:22 <Halcyon> I gave up with Windows 10 about 4-5 years ago
42:27 <Halcyon> It pains me
42:54 <steve30> I have a Windows 10 VM and seem to get the claws out each time I boot it up. *hiss*
43:45 <Ysjoelfir> what do you use instead, Halcyon?
43:46 <Halcyon> I'm convinced retards were responsible for the development of Windows 10
43:54 * Ysjoelfir pets the steve30 to make it relax
44:04 <Halcyon> It's almost like they had meetings to decide how they could fuck-over their end users
44:09 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Linux
44:23 <Halcyon> And on machines I absolutely have to use Windows (which is rare), Windows 7
44:31 * steve30 fires penguins at Ysjoelfir 
45:01 <Halcyon> I could put up with Windows ME or Windows Vista. Windows 10 is far worse.
48:20 <Ysjoelfir> you penguin afficionados
48:30 <Ysjoelfir> I just never get used to linux in any way
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51:22 <Halcyon> I was the same
51:29 <Halcyon> I resisted for many years
51:41 <Halcyon> But Windows 10 forced me to learn Linux and I have never looked back
52:52 <Ysjoelfir> you know, I am pretty satisfied with win10, it works great most of the time. but as I said, recently I have the impression that it gets worse with each update.
53:14 <Halcyon> I'll admit, it's a bit of a learning curve and the transition wasn't completely without its problems, but it is far better than the crap I have to put up with at work.
55:07 <Kuschelpony> i wonder about when Windows365 comes...
55:28 <Halcyon> If it's anything like Office 365... *shudder*
56:09 <steve30> i started with linux back in 2004
56:46 <Kuschelpony> i did it in 2006
56:58 <steve30> i went linux full time though in 2010
57:43 <Kuschelpony> for me it was simple, the old NT i used was getting old, and XP already past some personal limits
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04:23 <Ysjoelfir> maybe, just maybe, when I put in my new HDDs (I still wait for a recommendation, Halcyon ;P ) I install a dual boot thing. that should be doable, right? like, have win10 already installed and add a linux and that grub thing to chose?
05:25 <Halcyon> GRUB is old isn't it?
05:28 <steve30> yes, most linuxes will install a bootloader for you and automatically detect the windows
05:33 <Halcyon> I never bothered with dual boot
05:49 <Halcyon> I just ran and old Windows box/VM in Linux
05:51 <Ysjoelfir> well I have to, I use this PC for work and afaik there is no Altium linux edition :P
05:58 * steve30 is using EXTLINUX bootloader atm
06:03 <Halcyon> Does it run under Wine?
06:17 <Ysjoelfir> no idea. wanna try?
06:29 <Halcyon> Alternatively, if you install a Windows VM under VirtualBox, you can run applications in "Window-less mode"
06:37 <Halcyon> i.e., they appear to be running natively, but they aren't
06:43 <Halcyon> Yeh, I can try it out for you
07:17 <Ysjoelfir> also, does "Grub is old" mean "grub is dead"? that would be a shame, as I could annoy mrs. spouse, whose surname is VERY close to that (just add another b), every time I start the PC :D
07:54 <Halcyon> electrohead or Ampera would be best to advise you on that
07:58 <Ysjoelfir> there should be a trial of altium somewhere. let me see
08:06 <Halcyon> But from memory they don't use GRUB anymore? I could be wrong
09:21 <steve30> i used GRUB but when i swtiched to slackware I switched to LILO
09:21 <K> hello pattypansquashes
09:27 <Halcyon> Also, what recommendation do you need from me?
09:35 <steve30> Now I have an NVMe drive which LILO doesn't support I switched to EXTLINUX
09:41 <Halcyon> Hello fairy bread
10:09 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D I just need a recommendation for a cheap, not shitty 2.5" HDD, 1-2TB
10:25 <Halcyon> SSD?
10:32 <Ysjoelfir> I think I finally decided to give up on the NAS, as rebuilding it is not worth my time
10:37 <Ysjoelfir> nope, HDD
10:46 * steve30 only has 3.5" HDDs
10:58 <Halcyon> I'm a huge fan of Hitachi/WD Ultrastar's for NASs
11:17 <Ysjoelfir> it won't be used in a NAS anymore. let me elaborate, one sec
11:55 <Halcyon> Then any 7200 RPM drive that doesn't use SMR recording
12:42 <steve30> i got a seagate ironwolf as they don't do SMR
15:51 <Ysjoelfir> right now I have the old shitty slow NAS setup based on some single core celeron thing and that fakeRAID controller, as I found out thanks to.... someone here. I always wanted to have the NAS to have a way of streaming media to TVs and have it accessible to all PCs... but... we never stream anything to the TV and the huge amount of PCs in this flat would be.... 1. And soon a second one for the lab, but that one is not critical at all. so a
15:51 <Ysjoelfir> NAs isn't realy needed. Instead I can plug an external HDD to my router and have a mini network storage IF i need to share some stuff, but I probably won't. I also have my bouncers running on the NAS, but that can be done on a RasPI and Mr. Head wants to help me with that. so now I need to somehow bring those 12 HDDs in that old server to a usefull storage in my PC and still have a backup solution. My plan was now to just replace my 4x 500GB
15:51 <Ysjoelfir> 2.5" HDDs in that nice hot swap tray with four bigger ones. use one for my work stuff, another one for my games, and use the remaining two as storage. Add an external HDD for backups and I should be fine for what I do and can stop worrying about that old thing going up in flames anytime soon
16:04 <Ysjoelfir> uh, thats a long one. I hope it came through in one piece :D
16:09 <Ysjoelfir> also, whats smr?
16:12 * Ysjoelfir reads that up
16:52 <Halcyon> Back in 10
17:36 <steve30> shingled magnetic recording
17:46 <K> hot shingles in your area
18:46 <steve30> basically the magnetic tracks overlap each other, and it has to read and re-write the tracks in order to acheive that, and when the disk is nearly full it will be ridiculously slow because as it constantly has to re-write the data to acheive the shingling.
19:13 <steve30> CMR is the normal method where the tracks are just written in concentric rings
20:42 <Ysjoelfir> ew, why would you want to do such a thing?
21:02 <steve30> to fit more on one platter = cheaper
23:23 <Ysjoelfir> pfff..... well ok, maybe for highest data amounts without having to have good speed... but that reads like a potential error point there, if the magnetic tracks overlap I assume it could be prone to "miswriting"?
23:58 <steve30> I don;t know. It sounds dodgy but I guess it works reliably.
24:58 <Kuschelpony> perhaps its like HD-DVD where lots of error correction were takev even as normal operation?
25:27 <Kuschelpony> anyway thanks to you that i just learned one more thing to avoid
26:06 <DHess_US> SMR overlaps groups of tracks for higher data density, but a write to any group means that they all have to be read and then written to make the update.
27:01 <DHess_US> So it can be very very slow during some write operations.
27:18 <Kuschelpony> sounds like the logic is getting in similar territory like flash memory block erase
27:38 <DHess_US> It is a little like that as far as performance goes.
27:44 <steve30> I was going to get a barracuda but they do SMR so I went with the Ironwolf instead
29:00 <DHess_US> You definitely want to avoid SMR for a typical RAID setup, although some NAS systems do support it.
29:53 <DHess_US> And I've read about a lot of tears from people who were using RAIDZ with SMR.
32:03 <Ysjoelfir> ewwww, I just read a german article about that. looks like its basically everywhere nowadays and finding PMR HDDs is a bit tricky as they don't name it
35:10 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, WD have a list
35:43 <Halcyon> https://blog.westerndigital.com/wd-red-nas-drives/
35:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - On WD Red NAS Drives - Western Digital Corporate Blog
36:25 <Halcyon> Also: https://nascompares.com/answer/list-of-wd-cmr-and-smr-hard-drives-hdd/
36:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - List of WD CMR and SMR hard drives (HDD) – NAS Compares
36:37 <Lemon> hi hi
37:55 <Halcyon> Hey evergreen
38:52 <Halcyon> Otherwise stick with Hitachi branded drives
38:54 <Ysjoelfir> off.... I somehow already guessed that the cheaper ones are all shit in that regard :D damn
38:55 <Halcyon> They never used SMR
47:48 <Kuschelpony> fascinating: i just read that physicists have already managed to scope a infrared photon
48:30 <K> oh no
48:34 <K> not the infrared
48:46 <Kuschelpony> to be exactly they used a kind of sampling where they repeated electron-photon interactions at increased time delays, and collected the electron deflection angles
49:11 <Kuschelpony> and that in super precise super tiny time delay increments
49:44 <Kuschelpony> oh it was infrared, or i would not be so fascinated
49:50 <Kuschelpony> phys.org
50:40 <Kuschelpony> argh, trying to deep link
25:17 <Lemon> hmmm I keep looking at the difference between saleae devices and dslogic plus, or other "clones" if I can say
25:35 <Lemon> there seem to be no reasons to buy the saleae, looking at the huge price difference
27:20 <DHess_US> Ysjoelfir, yea, Seagate and Western Digital sneakily tried to hide which of their drives use SMR.
27:40 <DHess_US> <Halcyon> Otherwise stick with Hitachi branded drives
27:44 <DHess_US> That is what I have been doing.
28:12 <Halcyon> My advice is probably getting a bit old now since WD own Hitachi's hard disk department
28:20 <Halcyon> But as far as I know they haven't messed with them
28:40 <Lartza> HGST name is not used anymore but I think you can still find Ultrastar etc product lines
28:47 <Halcyon> Ultrastar are still the high-end drive models
29:02 <Lartza> Oh hmm wikipedia is wrong about HGST name not being used at least in my local stores
29:24 <Halcyon> You'll still see WD/HGST for a while
29:30 <DHess_US> WD was required to sell the HGST assets to Toshiba.
29:33 <Halcyon> Particularly in OEM branded drives
29:55 <Halcyon> Oh right
29:58 <Halcyon> *shrug*
30:36 <Lartza> Huh no the deal doesn't look to have gone quite like that
30:46 <Lartza> Also HGST is the store name but product picture is Western Digital
30:47 <DHess_US> Toshiba has been rebranding the HGST drives as their own but they are the same drives if you are buying new.
31:21 <Lartza> Huh
31:27 <Halcyon> If you're after good quality drives, just look at what Dell/HP/IBM/Supermicro/iXsystems etc... use
31:30 <Halcyon> And do the same
31:31 <Lartza> If they never were Western Digital why are they marketed Western Digital
32:15 <Lartza> Seems confusing
32:17 <DHess_US> Western Digital bought HGST, but as part of the deal, they were required to sell off the disk division, which ultimately went to Toshiba.
32:31 <DHess_US> It was an anti-trust issue.
32:32 <Halcyon> AFAIK WD still own the "Ultrastar" brand
32:35 <Halcyon> https://www.westerndigital.com/products/data-center-platforms/ultrastar-dc-hc300-series-hdd
32:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Ultrastar DC HC300 Series | Western Digital
32:50 <DHess_US> That could be, but Toshiba is now making HGST drives.
33:05 <Halcyon> There could be a transition phase, I don't know
33:14 <K> Lemon: saleae device has analog inputs on all channels
33:19 <Lartza> Transition phase for eight years?
33:26 <Halcyon> *shrug*
33:42 <Halcyon> Maybe they sold the technology but kept the branding
33:45 <Halcyon> I have no idea
33:46 <Lemon> yeah ? must be only certain models no ? because I saw that a few got only digital outputs
33:49 <Halcyon> I didn't know about the Toshiba deal
33:59 <Lemon> I think the dslogic plus got a couple analog ones but not all
34:02 <Lartza> Wikipedia says "Toshiba receiving assets for the production of 3.5-inch hard drives"
34:10 <K> very old ones did not have
34:11 <Lartza> Which is vague
34:25 <Halcyon> Well, assets are one thing
34:33 <DHess_US> "As part of the deal, Western Digital agreed to trade assets with Toshiba, with Toshiba receiving assets for the production of 3.5-inch hard drives (1, 2 and 3-platter drives produced in Shenzhen, China), in exchange for a Toshiba factory in Thailand for producing 2.5-inch drives (which had been inactive since the 2011 floods)."
34:37 <Halcyon> Naming rights, completely different
36:08 <DHess_US> <Halcyon> If you're after good quality drives, just look at what Dell/HP/IBM/Supermicro/iXsystems etc... use
36:48 <DHess_US> You have to be careful doing that. They often have custom firmware which is not always compatible with common SATA controllers.
36:57 <Halcyon> Perhaps
37:26 <Halcyon> But I know with iXsystems, from memory you can't just buy a barebones server without drives. They won't sell it to you.
37:38 <Halcyon> They sell it with drives they know work well.
37:51 <Halcyon> And I don't think they do any firmware tinkering, there is no need to
39:13 <Halcyon> Which makes sense from a support perspective
43:29 <DHess_US> I have some HGSTs which identify as HP that won't work on my Areca controllers, while all of my other HGSTs are fine.
43:54 <DHess_US> They work, but generate lots of correctable errors making them useless.
44:07 <Halcyon> Can't say I've ever used HP drives
44:21 <Halcyon> (Except in HP servers)
44:55 <Halcyon> Anyways, I'm going to go lay down, try and get on top of this cold
44:59 <Halcyon> Talk to you guys tomorrow.
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03:17 <Lemon> anybody owning the ksger heat gun station ?
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19:09 <Ampera> good morning people
19:11 <Ampera> and lemons
29:28 <Lemon> hi fren :>
31:14 <Ampera> how are you doing Lemon?
31:27 <Lemon> ho im ok, a bit tired ! and you ?
31:52 <Ampera> a bit tired
34:20 * T3sl4 hugs a Lemon
34:31 <Lemon> <3
35:33 <Lemon> hmmmm
35:50 <Lemon> im close to have really everything I need to begin some serious electronic learning
36:42 <Lemon> I miss a hot air station, a logic analyzer (I'd love to learn more with those thingies) and maybe one of those adonstar microscopes, they are decently cheap and quite nice, my sight is sadly going bad and im getting headaches looking at small stuff
36:52 <Lemon> sad to say that at 28 but well
39:08 <Lemon> im reading lots of good things on this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001298687309.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.49473c00FK9aOA&mp=1
39:09 <EEVBot> [Title] - KSGER 700W STM32 OLED SMD Rework Station Desoldering Station Mobile Soldeirng Repair Tools Kit Input 200 260V|Electric Soldering Irons| - AliExpress
39:13 <Lemon> and this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000333112843.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.49473c00FK9aOA&mp=1
39:15 <EEVBot> [Title] - Andonstar Hot Digital Microscope for Soldering AD206 1080P Soldering Microscope for Phone Watch Repairing SMD/SMT Black & White|Microscopes| - AliExpress
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44:20 <Lemon> and heres the LA im eyeing https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/33023055743.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.3a70408cy0NfFh&algo_pvid=552be976-1800-416d-b8e2-ae8189b5c9a0&algo_expid=552be976-1800-416d-b8e2-ae8189b5c9a0-4&btsid=2100bdde16218529338414614eba21&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_,searchweb201603_
44:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - DSLogic Plus – analyseur logique 5 fois, saleae16, largeur de bande jusqu'à 2019 M, d'échantillonnage de 16 canaux, Assistant de débogage, 400 + | AliExpress
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08:25 <rust_collector> Lemon why do you want that? bad things bad things
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09:27 <K> what bad things
10:11 <rust_collector> lemon stuff
11:09 <K> which one of those is baaaad?
11:42 <rust_collector> the last one is baaaadest, but the first is baaaad enough
16:50 <K> from what i know dslogic is quite well regarded
17:01 <rust_collector> yep
17:04 <T3sl4> lemon breaaaad
17:22 <Ysjoelfir> lemon bread? that sounds delicious!
18:30 <rust_collector> I am not sure, it sounds nice, but also pretty horrible at the same time
21:44 <K> lemon breast
29:10 <T3sl4> lemon pepper chicken is a pretty good combination
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