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00:04 <Ampera> do you have hair?
00:10 <rust_collector> not much
00:15 <Ampera> nice
00:17 <Ampera> I have a lot
00:28 <rust_collector> well, I have enough, but not so much on my head
01:03 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir http://tank-photographs.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/stridsvagn-strv-m21-29-swedish-LKII-tank.html
01:04 <eevBot> [Title] - Stridsvagn Strv m/21-29 LKII Surviving Swedish Tank
01:19 <Ysjoelfir> heh, yes, that thing^^
01:32 <rust_collector> a hot rodded german shoe
02:01 <rust_collector> it looks pretty useless
02:07 <Ysjoelfir> it is
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03:06 <Ysjoelfir> it is huge (compared to the other tanks in that class), freakishly slow, the gun turns slow like its been driven by a handcrank, and the stuff it shoots have the effect of throwing rubber bouncy balls at a tree
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08:18 <rust_collector> talking about bouncing balls and hair
08:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol
08:57 <rust_collector> can you find the fm/31?
09:52 <Ysjoelfir> in the game?
10:01 <rust_collector> yes
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10:17 <Ysjoelfir> no, the next one up the line is the m/41
10:37 <rust_collector> 43?
11:05 <Ysjoelfir> erm... I haven't looked beyond that one yet
12:32 <Ysjoelfir> and I just closed the game, because I lost the.. like.... 20th time in a row and don't want to play right now anymore :D
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29:45 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rObG3GddYGk someone had to think a lot to make that
29:46 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Philips crazy Ski Slope Cassette Deck
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54:28 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/SjZhAF8.gif
54:33 * electrohead yawns
54:36 <electrohead> o/
55:55 * rust_collector puts on his anti-rub pants
56:15 <electrohead> now it's a party
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02:58 <T3sl4> hrm, so you can't rub one out anymore?
04:31 <rust_collector> I can, because it is my pants. but it slices off thin bits of whoever tries to rub against them
07:22 <electrohead> lol
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11:46 <T3sl4> hm, there was a movie about that, i think
21:43 <electrohead> a porn movie?
24:09 <T3sl4> i was thinking, erm, something about mary? the one with the famous zipper scene
49:48 <flyback> that movie is gross
49:50 <flyback> seriously
50:23 <flyback> should have never been made
50:33 <flyback> ben what's his face is better actor than that
50:42 <flyback> he's great in night at the museum series
50:48 <flyback> so was robin williams ;/
51:02 <flyback> his last film before he killed himself afaik
51:48 <flyback> I dunno if you could really call is a sucide
51:52 <flyback> I am not sure God would either
51:55 <flyback> he had dementia
53:15 <electrohead> the worse version, too
53:28 <electrohead> soo, I made a friend on ebay
54:22 <electrohead> T3sl4: that seller of the RF relays informed me that he has the proper 28 VDC supplies for those, and since I'm buying a fuck ton more relays from him, I said the hell with it, and ordering a bunch of the power supplies
54:50 <T3sl4> :P
55:05 <T3sl4> 28V is popular for RF amps, isn't it?
55:23 <T3sl4> like, including commercial amps that are modular with a fuckton in parallel to make up whatever broadcast output
57:10 <flyback> dd-wrt web site is down
57:11 <flyback> hmm
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57:34 <Nothing\> well that was possibly the most disappointing experience of my life
58:00 <Nothing\> you guys ever actually try out this Nebula streaming service that YouTube influencers are always going on about?
58:24 <Nothing\> it's probably the worst streaming platform i've ever come across. And considering I almost never watch Netflix, that's saying a lot.
58:38 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
58:42 <Nothing\> it seems like about 90% of the content is just videos straight off of YouTube
58:48 <Nothing\> heya T3sl4!
58:52 * Nothing\ tackle hugs T3sl4 
58:55 <T3sl4> :)
58:56 <Nothing\> how ya been, buddy?
59:00 <T3sl4> good you?
59:20 <Nothing\> i've been good. Got out for my first walk in probably about a year the other day lol
59:29 <Nothing\> it was a nice boost for morale
59:59 <T3sl4> i had a good walk the other day
00:31 <Nothing\> it's hard to find a reason to get out cuz there aren't any good places to walk around here
01:04 <Nothing\> when I lived in Kitchener/Waterloo (home of the HQ of Blackberry) they had so many trails and green spaces
01:23 <Nothing\> you could literally walk across the city without ever going along a road or street
01:28 <Nothing\> just trails all the way
01:44 <Nothing\> here they only have a hand full of trails that run right along busy roads
01:52 <Nothing\> at least in my immediate area
01:59 <T3sl4> i live right by the trail that runs pretty much all the way up and down the coast, it's pretty nice
02:12 <Nothing\> and the other trails require you to walk several km before you come to any place you can get off of it
02:21 <Nothing\> ah that's awesome man
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03:19 <Nothing\> I used to live on the shore of Lake Huron and I always loved walking along the coast. I was only 2 blocks from this great lookout point and down the street from the Marina. It was further north in an area called cottage country, so it was very scenic and full of wilderness
03:40 <Nothing\> I used to love sitting out on the lookout and watch storms come in over the water
04:03 <Nothing\> or one night I was lucky enough to catch the auroras over the lake, cuz there's no light pollution to drown them out over that way.
04:32 <Nothing\> wasn't very strong. There was no colour to them and they just looked pretty much like fast moving smoke, or clouds. But it was still a really cool experience.
04:46 <T3sl4> it was so windy on my last walk, i was actually getting a little grit in my eyes/teeth, sand was blowing up from the bluffs
05:17 <T3sl4> land is something like 50ft up from the water, and it's eroding terribly hence the steep bluffs
05:35 <Nothing\> where abouts do you live again? It was just windy as hell here yesterday, so I wonder if that was the same weather system.
05:44 <T3sl4> probs
05:49 <T3sl4> milwaukee area
06:13 <Nothing\> ah yeah I'm basically just across the lake from you, sorta between Toronto and Detroit
07:06 <Nothing\> basically the most southern point in Canada. Or close to it. I guess the most southerly point would be Windsor, which borders Detroit
07:32 <Nothing\> I actually checked on Google Earth the other day, we're almost as far south as the northern border of California.
07:51 <T3sl4> pretty much straight across from me, yea
08:09 <Nothing\> Yeah, you guys get all the good storms
08:21 <Nothing\> they always dissipate over the cooler air over the great lakes
08:56 <Nothing\> We still get some doozies though. Even some tornados from time to time.
09:29 <Nothing\> I've heard some sources say we're actually in the northern tip of tornado alley, but looking at maps, that doesn't seem to be the case. Although we're not far off.
09:37 <T3sl4> beats me, we dont get lake effect over here :P
10:34 <Nothing\> actually it's just the snow that we get lake effect from. Storms just die over the lakes, but snow intensifies.
10:50 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
11:18 <Nothing\> the place I lived on Lake Huron was actually on the junction of 2 separate snowbelts. So we'd get snow drifts the size of houses and multiple feet of snow each year
11:21 <Nothing\> heya Ampera!
11:27 * Nothing\ tackle hugs Ampera 
11:34 <Nothing\> how've you been?
11:37 * Ampera attack-hugs Nothing\ 
11:39 <Ampera> I've been alright
11:46 <Nothing\> that's good to hear
11:47 * T3sl4 gives Ampera some fancy crackers and an extended pinky finger
12:09 * Ampera gives T3sl4 cheese from the moon
12:15 <T3sl4> \o/
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12:21 <Ampera> how have you been doing Nothing\
12:43 <Nothing\> the extended pinky always makes me think of that movie where Hulk Hogan has to be a baby sitter to a couple of shitty kids and he's having a tea party with the little girl and she tells him to put his pinky up
12:54 <Nothing\> i dunno why. Advertising brainwashing probably.
13:38 <Nothing\> I used to watch a lot of the same VHSs over and over again and of course I'd end up watching the same trailers each time so trailers for a lot of old movies are pretty much etched into my subconscious
14:28 <Nothing\> that reminds me, I've been watching that old show, Dinosaurs. You know, with the Jim Henson non-muppet puppets.
14:44 * T3sl4 pans Nothing\ on the head while saying a familiar quip
14:52 <Nothing\> it's a lot better than I remember. And more adult themed. Plus there are a ton of famous people who were on there that I didn't realize
15:58 <Nothing\> Jessica Walter (archer's mom and Lucille on arrested development), Jason Alexander (George on Seinfeld), Michael Dorn, Sally Struthers, Christopher Meloni who was on Oz and had a few other bit parts in other shows. I think he was on a crime show, too.
16:16 <Nothing\> but like, in the one episode they had a character named Sexual Harris
16:22 * Ampera sneezes
16:32 * Ampera sneezes again, for good measure
16:32 <Nothing\> who obviously sexually harasses a female employee
16:46 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah, I always wondered why sneezes come in pairs.
17:05 <Nothing\> Actually funny thing, one odd side effect of being on methadone is that I don't sneeze anymore.
17:17 <T3sl4> i used to do triples for the most part, but now i just do one or two. go figure
17:37 <Nothing\> unless it's been a while since I've had any. Then I'll sneeze like 8 or 9 times in a row. And by that time it stops feeling good and just gets painful.
17:51 <Nothing\> T3sl4, you ever hear of these people who sneeze when they look into bright lights?
18:03 <T3sl4> i always call that photosynthesneeze
18:13 <Nothing\> I always thought that was so weird. I didn't even know it was a thing until I was in my teens and read about it somewhere.
18:16 <Nothing\> haha
18:22 <Nothing\> I'm stealing that one.
18:30 <Nothing\> we're gonna make that a real word
19:11 <Nothing\> hey Ampera, what did you think of Terraria?
19:26 <Ampera> I believe I told you before I didn't like it
19:38 <Nothing\> Yeah, I think you did.
19:55 <Nothing\> in the last major update, they made this mode where it's basically like a cheating mode.
20:14 <Ampera> I thought they stopped updating that game
20:39 <Nothing\> you can control the weather, time of day, enemy spawn rate and difficulty, and you can "research" items by collecting a certain number, which allows you to duplicate the item endlessly
20:46 <Nothing\> nah, it's still alive and well
21:08 <Ampera> It always seemed quite boring and limited to me
21:25 <Ampera> whenever I played it, I got sick of it quickly and just went and played minecraft
21:28 <Nothing\> But I remember when it first came out, I used to wait months for the next major update. I was always so excited for them. And then one day they just stopped updating it and there wasn't anything new for over a year.
21:41 <Nothing\> Heh, I'm the same way with minecraft
21:53 <Nothing\> I'm just not creative enough to appreciate Minecraft
22:01 <Ampera> I only play Minecraft occasionally, but I usually stick to older versions
22:02 <Ampera> often with mods
22:17 <Nothing\> then I'll make a nice little home base and be afraid to go exploring cuz I knew as soon as I did, I'd get lost and never see my home base again.
22:50 <Nothing\> I have it on my switch. Which actually has a thing for downloading mods. But you need to have access to the Nintendo Online shit, which costs something like $10 a month
22:56 <Nothing\> so, screw that.
23:01 <Ampera> It's not the same game
23:10 <Nothing\> It never is on the Switch.
23:17 <Ampera> no I mean it's literally not the same game
23:23 <Ampera> there are two, mutually exclusive versions of minecraft
23:27 <Nothing\> They always leave stuff out or dumb it down, or neglect to add updates.
23:31 <Ampera> the one for phones and consoles, and the original one
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23:36 <Nothing\> Oh, speaking of games.
23:40 * Ampera fires the coffee hose at steve30 
23:48 <steve30> yum
23:53 <Nothing\> Apparently Blizzard's making a reboot of Diablo II
24:04 <Nothing\> heya steve30. How's it hangin'?
24:17 <Ampera> people get really excited about everything Blizzard, none of their stuff has ever interested me
24:28 <Ampera> I've recently been playing some of the Sam & Max gams
24:30 <Ampera> er, games
24:36 <Nothing\> I've always been a fan of Diablo and the NORMAL warcraft games
24:43 <Nothing\> but WoW never interested me
24:46 <Ampera> I really love the writing and the characters, but either I'm just impatient, or the puzzles are just unreasonably obtuse
24:52 <Nothing\> I tried it once or twice and I just couldn't get into it.
24:54 * electrohead waves
24:58 * Ampera attack-hugs electrohead 
24:59 <Nothing\> Hey electrohead
25:04 <Nothing\> how's it going, man?
25:04 <electrohead> hey guys
25:14 <Nothing\> call me crazy, but I've never been a fan of online gaming.
25:25 <Nothing\> I play games to get away from society. Not to interact with it more.
25:26 <electrohead> it's going! just got some dishes done, now going to make some food
25:30 <electrohead> sausage and duck eggs, lol
25:30 <Ampera> I like online gaming, it just depends on the game
25:38 <Ampera> FPSers, Minecraft
25:46 <Nothing\> And frankly I used to like local multiplayer games more. Like Goldeneye on the N64
26:08 <Ampera> I absolutely can't play FPSers with a gamepad
26:09 <Nothing\> Ampera, speaking of FPSs, I finally decided to legit buy Doom Eternal.
26:12 <Ampera> I get irritated fast
26:23 <Nothing\> It's a damn fine game. Especially compared to the one that came before it
26:28 <Nothing\> I think in 2016 or so.
26:31 <Ampera> I might get it when I have a less potato graphics card
26:35 <Ampera> I have Doom 4
26:35 <Nothing\> It seems more true to the original concept
26:47 <Ampera> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
26:51 <Nothing\> I don't think I ever played Doom 4
26:57 <Ampera> Doom 4 was running around killing stuff looking for the way through
26:58 <Nothing\> What graphics card have you got?
27:08 <Ampera> 1660Ti
27:14 <Nothing\> that's the same one I have
27:21 <Nothing\> it plays Doom Eternal pretty well
27:24 <Ampera> Nothing\, Doom 4 == Doom 2016
27:28 <Nothing\> ah okay
27:29 <Ampera> just with a more reasonable numbering scheme
27:32 <Nothing\> that's what I was thinking
27:47 <Nothing\> yeah I just don't like the way it interrupts the flow of the game when you can't find your way.
28:03 <Ampera> That's intrinsic to the Doom concept
28:03 <Nothing\> Especially with Doom 2016 cuz everything looks the damn same
28:27 <Ampera> all of the original levels were insanely mazelike, and especially some of the ones in Doom 2 are just irritating to traverse
28:31 <Nothing\> I guess Doom 2 had some of that, you're right.
28:41 <Ampera> Doom 2016 is really linear and straightforward in comparison
28:44 <Nothing\> I mostly used no clipping in Doom 2 so it wasn't as much of an issue for me lol
28:45 <Ampera> more akin to Half-Life
28:47 <Nothing\> idclip
28:49 <Nothing\> iddqd
28:52 <Nothing\> idkfa
28:54 <Nothing\> etc
28:57 <Ampera> I've never cheated in doom
29:14 <Nothing\> Oh you know what's weird
29:18 <Ampera> you
29:20 <Nothing\> they're selling Doom 64 on Steam
29:25 <T3sl4> 90s games in general were mostly mazelike, doom no exception
29:26 <Ampera> how is that weird
29:42 <Nothing\> cuz why not just sell the regular PC version of Doom instead of the N64 port?
29:48 <Ampera> because they're not the same game
29:52 <T3sl4> d64 was... extracted? RE'd? not sure, but it's been playable on gzdoom for a long time
29:55 <Ampera> Doom 64 wasn't a port, it was an entirely different game
30:02 <Nothing\> oh, I always thought it was the same
30:10 <Ampera> no, it's not even playable on the doom engine
30:16 <Nothing\> boo
30:18 <Ampera> it's an entirely different concept
30:19 <Nothing\> that's no fun
30:26 <Ampera> it's more similar to quake, but with the tones of doom
30:29 <Nothing\> half the fun of the original engine was the .WADs
30:40 <Ampera> well it's a console game
30:44 <Ampera> you're not gonna be modding it anyways
30:50 <Nothing\> yeah, exactly
30:53 <Ampera> I mean I guess today you might, but who cares
31:09 <Ampera> I've never played it, but as far as I know it's quite highly regarded
31:14 <Nothing\> Yeah, there are tons of hacks of roms. But usually they're for NES or SNES
31:21 <Ampera> wha?
31:23 <T3sl4> Ampera: as far as i know it's a port of the engine
31:25 <Ampera> romhacks exist for all platforms
31:34 <Nothing\> oh i'm not saying the don't exist
31:37 <Nothing\> they're just not as common
31:45 <Ampera> T3sl4, as far as I know, it's a normal 3D accelerated engine
31:52 <T3sl4> so is glboom
31:53 <steve30> Nothing\, I've just got back from a Kill the Bill protest. I've now got 3 hours of video tape to import and edit into as shorter time as possible.
32:14 <T3sl4> "doom engine" basically means it's based on a 2d bsp structure
32:17 <steve30> There were quite a few speeches but I can probably cut those down as they were mostly pro-communism which I don't agree with.
32:19 <Nothing\> steve30, what bill were they trying to kill?
32:40 <Ampera> didn't quake use BSP?
32:46 <Ampera> the point being, it's not the doom engine, it's its own thing
32:48 <T3sl4> in 3d yes
32:56 <Nothing\> Quake was a great game
33:14 <Nothing\> I remember getting endless fun out of the ShareWare version cuz you could play through the entire first episode
33:27 <Nothing\> Ah shareware
33:31 <Nothing\> whatever happened to that?
34:17 <Ampera> Idk, it does look like a 2D sector based game in the pictures
34:21 <Ampera> I was quite sure it wasn't though
34:24 <Nothing\> lol I remember when I learned what ShareWare was cuz I bought this Poker Game from a computer shop that said it was ShareWare. Not sure why a store was selling ShareWare, but I found out pretty quickly what that meant.
35:23 <T3sl4> https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Doom64_EX
35:24 <eevBot> [Title] - Doom64 EX | Doom Wiki | Fandom
35:31 <Ampera> looks like it is a mod of the doom engine
35:32 <Ampera> huh
35:49 <steve30> Nothing\, our new Policing, Crimes, Sentancing and Courts Bill.
35:56 <steve30> See https://odysee.com/@steve30:3/kill_the_bill_sheffield_april_2021:0 for the video from the other week
35:57 <eevBot> [Title] - Kill The Bill - Sheffield - 17th April 2021
36:07 <Ampera> Heavily modified, reminds me of SRB2
36:24 <Nothing\> I'm not sure I agree with defunding or demilitarizing the police
36:28 <Ampera> That and Ion Fury are insane examples of what can be done with BSP engines gone nuts
37:09 <T3sl4> ion fury is a 2D portal engine
37:22 <Ampera> I thought the build engine was BSP
37:25 <Nothing\> The way I see it, militarization means they get more effective body armour, APCs, stuff like that to keep them safe. What they need to focus on is when it's appropriate to actually use that stuff. And not using it for the sake of intimidation.
37:35 <T3sl4> nah, that's why it can change geometry in real time
37:54 <Nothing\> And defunding just leads to less training, which means more incidents like what happened to what's his face the other week.
37:55 <T3sl4> doom has to be compiled (bsp node build) which is slow and nonlinear, so basically impossible to make dynamic environments
38:09 <Nothing\> Where that cop "mistook" her gun for a taser.
38:11 <Ampera> ah right
38:47 <T3sl4> Nothing\: defunding is poorly named alas; the point is to reduce the number of cops on the street, while making the remaining force better trained; and putting that money into social services that work for the community, not against it
38:50 <Nothing\> Although from what she said and her reaction to the shooting in the body cam footage, it seemed like she legitimately mistook her gun for a taser
39:39 <Nothing\> T3sl4, ah see when I hear defunding I think police get less money and hence less resources, usually starting with things that are easy to cut from the budget like extensive or specialized training
39:51 <Nothing\> But I guess it could go either way.
40:16 <Nothing\> I think if anything, they need MORE training.
40:20 <T3sl4> a lot of that "specialized training" is bad anyway, teaching us-vs-them and reinforcing the violent escalation that they've been doing
40:23 <Nothing\> more accountability
40:28 <T3sl4> but again, that's why it's also reform
40:33 <Nothing\> and a reform to the internal affairs investigation process
41:06 <Nothing\> actually, we're going through a similar reform with our military right now, in regards to how they investigate complaints.
41:38 <T3sl4> AFAIK, the RCMP has a similar level of infamy to our average police, if that's any help
41:49 <Nothing\> apparently our military is rife with sexual misconduct, up to the highest levels. And the only means female members of the military have for filing complaints is through a military run organization.
41:57 <T3sl4> but i probably don't know as much about them as i should to make such an inference
42:15 <Nothing\> So if you're abused by a high ranking official, there's basically nothing you can do cuz they essentially run the people you're complaining to.
42:16 <T3sl4> well yeah, military has always been like that, we're just hearing about it finally
42:35 <Nothing\> Yeah, they're taking it really seriously here.
43:06 <Nothing\> a high ranking female official just quit because of constant sexual abuse from one of her superiors who flat out told her he "owns" the people she would have to complain to
43:15 <Nothing\> so she just outright quit to make a statement
43:24 <Nothing\> her rank was... lemme see now
44:02 <Nothing\> She was a Major
44:13 <Nothing\> and the guy was a chief general
44:23 <Nothing\> she claims he actually fathered 2 of her kids. It was that bad.
44:59 <Nothing\> But meanwhile I'm thinking, why not get a paternity test? That would put the argument to rest. Unless he really has got something to hide. In which case he would obviously not consent to it.
46:22 <Nothing\> But the whole thing's been a pretty big deal in our media. It really opened the public's eyes to how prevalent such abuse is and how high up it goes in terms of the ranks of the people doing it.
46:46 <Nothing\> And just how useless reporting it is.
46:56 <Nothing\> If anything, the people who report it get reprimanded.
51:52 <Nothing\> anyways, on another note. I bought a WDC65C02 the other day. The CMOS version of the 6502.
52:18 <Nothing\> It's the first chip I bought from somewhere other than Amazon or Aliexpress. Got it from Mouser. And I'm thrilled with the packaging job they did.
52:53 <Nothing\> It even came in its own little box with whatever that black foam is. Some sort of conductive carbon foam? I dunno.
52:55 <T3sl4> yes, you'll be getting that in foam in a baggie
53:04 <T3sl4> oh, or a box, that too
53:09 <Nothing\> that too, it was in a static bag
53:20 <Nothing\> and shiped via UPS so it arrived in like 3 days from Texas.
53:38 <Nothing\> Which I don't get, cuz they have a facility right in Kitchener, like 30 mins from me. I guess they didn't have any there.
53:51 <Nothing\> Makes me wonder if they have a brick and mortar store there.
54:31 <Nothing\> I've still yet to find a brick and mortar electronics shop. Except this surplus store here that sells passives at a ridiculous markup.
54:37 <steve30> This weeks video will feature my Uncle's Extinction rebellion samba band
55:08 <Nothing\> lol they've got a Raspberry Pi 2 for $60
56:24 <Nothing\> But I got the 65c02 cuz Ben Eater posted some videos on making some projects with one.
56:40 <Nothing\> I'm assuming he's working up to a full computer.
57:11 <Nothing\> Man, that guy's channel is a treasure trove of computer science education goodness.
57:22 <T3sl4> i kinda did that back in 2008 or so, with a z80
57:25 <Nothing\> He's the reason I bought the majority of the chips I have.
57:32 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Z80_Timer2.jpg
57:47 <Nothing\> T3sl4, I have a few Z80's but all I ever did with them was make some blinken lights.
57:50 <T3sl4> used a NVRAM instead of ROM, and programming with parallel port
58:14 <Nothing\> basically pull all of the data lines low and have it execute a NOP every cycle, and connect some LEDs to the program counter
58:15 <Nothing\> lol
58:35 <T3sl4> i mean, you can do all the things you can do witha 6502 and much more, you're just not going to be dropping in the exact code he's using, or precisely the same bus wiring
58:37 <Nothing\> got the idea from a Julian Ilett video
59:23 <Nothing\> T3sl4, I was always under the impression the 6502 was more versatile because it has the whole zero page to use as basically one giant register to make up for how few actual registers it has
59:32 <Nothing\> among other reasons which are beyond my understanding
59:55 <Nothing\> higher clock speed maybe? or less cycles per instructions? I dunno
00:05 <T3sl4> 6502 is slower i think?
00:13 <Nothing\> Yeah I was just thinking that
00:24 <T3sl4> tho not by much, all those old CPUs are such a drag
00:25 <Nothing\> i've gotta check now to be sure, cuz this is gonna bug me otherwise
00:39 <Nothing\> yeah, it seems like clock speed wasn't a huge deal back then
00:57 <T3sl4> i have a 6809 that i could play with some day, but meh, so much wiring to use, a new instruction set to learn, and the whopping power of 1 MIPS
01:08 <Nothing\> it was more about how many bits it could handle, thanks to the bit wars
01:09 <T3sl4> which the datasheet has the nerve to call "fast"
01:17 <Nothing\> although that was really more a 90's thing
01:29 <Nothing\> with the consoles
02:27 <Nothing\> lol and atari claiming the jaguar was 64 bit cuz it had 2 32 bit cpus. Which made it notoriously difficult to program. Most programmers just stuck to the one CPU, which is why most of the games look no better than something on the SNES or Genesis
02:54 <T3sl4> sega saturn was even worse in that way
04:01 <Nothing\> hrm wikipedia says the 6502 ran at 2.5, 4, 6, 8 and 10mhz
04:10 <Nothing\> and the CMOS variant runs up to 20mhz
04:28 <Nothing\> i think it was mostly at 4mhz in most of the systems I'm aware of, though.
04:53 <Nothing\> And it says the Z80 was 1 or 3mhz
05:37 <T3sl4> Z80s ran at all sorts
05:47 <T3sl4> i have NMOS ones that do like 2-5MHz, 4 nominal
06:07 <Nothing\> It makes me wonder though. If you had a really heavy duty water cooling set up, could you get the z80 to run at like 6mhz or something a lot faster than it's meant to? Or would there be some intrinsic factor that would limit the clock speed it would operate properly at?
06:25 <Nothing\> or really running any older CPU like that at a much higher speed than it's meant to
07:18 <Nothing\> heh yeah i've got a couple of NMOS 6502s, but I'm pretty sure one or both of them is counterfeit
07:30 <T3sl4> not much. RC time constants of internal nodes, or chains thereof
07:38 <Nothing\> the one just says MOS 6502 on it. With a stylized logo for the MOS bit
07:43 <T3sl4> chains, because dynamic logic is used a lot in there
07:45 <Nothing\> no date code or any other markings
08:02 <Nothing\> the other one has a date code, but a different logo for the stylized MOS bit
08:07 <T3sl4> higher voltage gets slightly lower on resistance, but not a whole lot
08:19 <T3sl4> those break down around 7-9V or something, so there's not much headroom to try
08:34 <T3sl4> and also being dynamic, they can't be underclocked much at all
08:36 <Nothing\> ah yeah, I guess the capacitance of the gates on the FETs would limit the speed at some point, wouldn't it
08:46 <Nothing\> especially in the registers
08:47 <T3sl4> the CMOS ones might do better, in both respects
08:51 <T3sl4> obviously CMOS goes to DC
09:25 <Nothing\> I would think CMOS would be slower since P channel FETs seem to have higher gate capacitance
09:41 <Nothing\> or at least, greater propagation delay
09:49 <T3sl4> well, active is better than passive
09:55 <Nothing\> or maybe i'm mixing them up with PNP BJTs
10:14 <T3sl4> unless your NMOS are so damn good that you can just crank the shit outta them (like GaAs NMOS)
10:48 <Nothing\> actually that reminds me. I wanna make a small bit of CMOS or NMOS SRAM from discrete MOSFETs
11:04 <Nothing\> seems like it's nothing more than a bunch of fancy SR latches
11:10 <Nothing\> and some multiplexing
11:35 <T3sl4> ya
11:48 <T3sl4> be careful doing it CMOS, discrete FETs draw a lot of current
12:08 <T3sl4> BSS84/2N7002 are probably the go-to, and they'll draw an equivalent shoot-thru resistance around 10 ohms
12:26 <T3sl4> running VDD <= 2Vgs(th) helps there
12:34 <Nothing\> heh, back when I first got into electronics a few years ago, I used to try to simulate various logic ICs using discrete BJTs because I hadn't yet figured out where to buy ICs from
13:07 <Nothing\> so I'd spend like an hour just trying to make a half adder, only to find it didn't even work and spend another hour trying to debug the damn thing.
13:37 <Nothing\> or trying to make master slave latches
14:07 <Nothing\> T3sl4, well, i've got BS250s for my PMOS and 2N7000 for my NMOS
14:19 <T3sl4> same thing i think
14:21 <Nothing\> or I have some other weird one for PMOS... lemme see what it is
14:52 <Nothing\> ZVP2106A
15:16 <Nothing\> they're in some weird, non to-92 package
15:55 <T3sl4> i forget what that is, but its the little metal bit on top?
16:05 <Nothing\> but they seem to be more closely matched to the 2N7000 in terms of the threshold voltage
16:31 <Nothing\> What? A to-92?
16:38 <Nothing\> Or the ZVP2106A?
17:21 <Nothing\> it doesn't even give the package type in the datasheet, it just says "TO-92 Compatible"
17:39 <Nothing\> but it's like a TO-92, but with more rounded edges, and backwards.
23:33 <T3sl4> oh right, that's just zetex/ferranti's old "e-line" thingy
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37:46 <Hsn> https://youtu.be/tmNtwqf9wkY
37:47 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Paying 10x The Amount For Things On Craigslist..
37:57 <Hsn> lol he spanks the bike at 2:40
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43:08 <rust_collector> so, Hsn is in the pervy corner of the internet again....
43:38 <Hsn> well some are furry type .. u cant have bike type ?
43:39 <Hsn> :D
44:23 <rust_collector> sure, I think they are called bikers?
46:26 <Hsn> sexual attractive to bikes ?
46:38 <Hsn> attracted
49:34 <rust_collector> you can go to any biker bar, and ask...
49:59 <Hsn> hrmm
50:04 <Hsn> i dont bar
50:19 <rust_collector> then you will never know
51:02 <Hsn> its ok .. i dont mind going back to past and not knowing about furries as well
51:03 <Hsn> :)
51:24 <Hsn> im living the shock u know ? like a child who just discovered how humans produce other humans
51:39 <Ysjoelfir> so.... it is Lørdag! You know what that means, right?
52:05 <rust_collector> yes. COFFEE!
52:43 <Ampera> So a cable I bought from the homeless despot just came in: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575356058818838539/838125117430956042/20210501_144951.jpg
52:51 <Ampera> just that cable came in that massive box
52:54 <Ampera> free shipping
52:57 <Hsn> lordag?
53:03 <Hsn> https://youtu.be/Vihgxpm0Ql0?t=161
53:09 <rust_collector> lørdag!
53:26 <Hsn> saturn day ?
53:28 <Ysjoelfir> hsn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NYGi0cOF6E
53:47 <rust_collector> Ampera I have had a box about half that sixe, with a mouse pad in it, lol
54:14 <Ampera> I bought a breaker panel from them for 20 bucks, and they shipped it separately for free
54:17 <rust_collector> Hsn it is the day we lauge, so it is bath-day
54:24 <Hsn> too much dance for a pizza Ysjoelfir
54:53 <Ysjoelfir> you think so?
54:55 <Ysjoelfir> then wait.
55:28 <Ysjoelfir> rusty probably knows what I'm showing you now, right?
55:43 <rust_collector> I probably can not forget
55:48 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uilDiHh0mg
55:49 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Grandiosa Full Pakke
56:04 <Lemon> hmmm I wonder something : those isolation testers that can measure giga/tera ohms, they use a high voltage to do so, but when you calibrate them, do they use the same voltage ? it means you need resistors that can at least support this voltage if thats the case
57:46 <Ysjoelfir> I still want to convince mrs. spouse to allow me to dance the full pakke song on our wedding :D
58:57 <rust_collector> you know... some times, you just have to do it, and ask if you are still married, when you are done
59:25 <Hsn> https://youtu.be/Vihgxpm0Ql0?t=405 < i swear this guy's reaction is so funny
59:25 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Buying Strangers Cars, Then Giving Back The Car
59:56 <Hsn> Ysjoelfir, sexy pizza ?
00:19 <Hsn> it looks like orgy piza
04:49 <rust_collector> pizza is pretty nice
04:53 <Ysjoelfir> indeed.
04:59 <Ampera> I had pizza last night
05:02 <Ampera> still have some leftover
05:14 <Hsn> pizza are great yes but not for my boobs ..
05:15 <Ysjoelfir> That would be a Fredagspizza.
05:20 <Ysjoelfir> lol
05:36 <rust_collector> I wonder if she regrets being in that... because she is known as pizza girl...still
07:02 <Ysjoelfir> is she? :D lol. well. :D
15:54 <Hsn> wat?
23:59 <Ysjoelfir> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenny_Skavlan
24:00 <eevBot> [Title] - Jenny Skavlan - Wikipedia
41:36 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/s1XsgZQ.jpg
41:52 <Ysjoelfir> lol
41:55 <Lemon> hmmm I realized that when I turn off my thermometer, it uses 31ma, when it uses 40 when working
41:55 <flyback> ugh
42:01 <Lemon> I think it just turns off the lcd
42:02 <flyback> mom's ups fizzed out
42:21 <flyback> just the battery though, I had another semi worn out one that at least gives blink protection for now
42:27 * Ysjoelfir downs flyback's mom
42:29 <rust_collector> harrrrr harr harr.
42:41 <flyback> that ups is like 15 yrs old and keeps going
43:01 <flyback> really simple dumb as a post one (does have a mcu though)
43:25 <flyback> it's hard to know if paying $$ extra for known brands of seal lead acid is worth it anymore
43:53 <flyback> im done with ever using sla with f1 terminals and using a f1 to f2 adaptor
43:56 <flyback> a) they never fit
43:59 <flyback> b) they get loose
44:12 <flyback> my one ups threw a spazc ause of one so going to have to order a battery for it
45:06 <flyback> it works fine in the big ups on my one data recovry box cause it's a giant battery bay with lots of cleance but any small ups those adsptors are canucked
45:25 <rust_collector> heh, bike battery and ring terminals and a bolt, would probably be ok?
45:29 <flyback> and fuck my arm hurts from my first covid shot
47:39 <Lemon> yeah Id put lifpo batteries in it
48:45 <flyback> yeah use lithium for mobile stuff
48:52 <flyback> lead is stil fine for non mobile stuff
49:15 <flyback> if you use ion lithium cells
49:16 <flyback> DON'T
49:17 <flyback> FUCKING
49:18 <flyback> MAKE
49:19 <flyback> YOUR
49:19 <flyback> OWN
49:20 <flyback> CHARGER
49:24 <flyback> K THX BYE
49:28 <rust_collector> bye
49:30 * Ampera grabs the anti-spam hammer
49:51 <flyback> Ampera, I don't care, this is important
49:53 <Ampera> making your own charging circuity is fun
49:54 <Ampera> nah
50:19 <flyback> too many people get big heads and think "oh I can make a charge if it catches fire, I will just stomp it out or water it"
50:20 <Ampera> It's amusing, not important.
50:27 <flyback> and they don't get how fucked up a lithium fire is
50:35 <Ampera> lithium fires are really cool
50:46 <flyback> mabye outside they are cool
51:20 <rust_collector> I used to be slightly worried about lithium batteries as well. but then I learned to not poke nails thry them, and it has been fine
51:27 <Ampera> ^
51:35 <flyback> now if you use lifepo, then making your own charger will ony result in you possibly destroying a lot of expenwife batteries
51:37 <Ampera> only photonic induction is allowed to do that
51:37 <flyback> :)
51:46 <Ampera> expenwife
51:48 <Ampera> expendable wife
51:50 <Ampera> cool
51:56 <flyback> expendable
52:02 <flyback> autocorrect sucks
52:17 <Ampera> how does that autocorrect to expenwife
52:21 <flyback> no clue
52:39 <flyback> anyways
52:40 <rust_collector> well, flyback I am prety sure there are plenty of people around, who are more than capable of designing a charger...
53:05 <flyback> rust_collector, I guess
53:14 <Ampera> yeah, they're not exactly complicated cars
53:37 <flyback> man
53:44 <flyback> the $50 I spend on dupoint cables
53:51 <flyback> was just proven worth it :)
54:09 <Ampera> I just spent 30 bucks on a 6 foot power cable
54:17 <flyback> they stay on tight
54:24 <flyback> unlike al the cheap chinease junk cables
54:32 <flyback> also ch340g are worthless never again
54:36 <flyback> sticking to cp2104's
55:31 <Ampera> You should really get a LiFe(PO4)
55:40 <flyback> heh
55:43 <flyback> BMC
55:45 <flyback> err
55:46 <flyback> BMCC
55:58 * flyback hurls a canadian at Ampera 
56:18 <Ampera> that's alright, they have cheap healthcare
56:51 <rust_collector> where do you find the irish players?
57:41 <Ampera> irishland
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16:28 <Lemon> as long as you respect lipos theres no issues
16:47 <Lemon> the ones on my ebike I built are in two "anti-fire" idk the name bags
17:05 <Lemon> I have a wattmeter next to the speedometer, so I can monitor them
17:08 <rust_collector> oh, you can find issues with anything, if you look for them
17:08 <Lemon> theres fuses and shit
17:19 <Lemon> yeah ofc as you said, just dont poke them
17:54 <rust_collector> otoh, I have to agree with the guy that lead works fine for that sort of thing
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49:01 <Halcyon> Morning all
49:06 <rust_collector> HEY!
49:11 <Ysjoelfir> HO!
49:21 <rust_collector> let's go!
50:01 <rust_collector> theyre forming in a straight line...
50:07 <rust_collector> lalalalalalaaalaaa
52:07 * Ampera attack-hugs Halcyon 
52:13 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
52:52 * electrohead rubs on Halcyon
52:59 <electrohead> sorry I missed your call last night
53:04 * Ampera sneeze-hugs electrohead 
53:07 * rust_collector growls at electrohead 
53:15 * electrohead loves the attention
53:18 <electrohead> lol
55:04 <rust_collector> I am annoyed by rush on the radio...
55:53 <rust_collector> it reminds me of when they made smurf versions of almost any popular song
56:24 <Halcyon> :D
56:35 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
57:01 <Halcyon> Oh guys, whoever has operator access here, just keep a lookout for trouble in the near future... from memory that's Ysjoelfir, electrohead, Ampera, T3sl4
57:17 <T3sl4> oh no
57:18 <Ampera> and steve30
57:20 <T3sl4> is Halcyon spamming us?
57:22 <Halcyon> Blueskull has been permenantly banned from the forum and has sent threatening emails.
57:23 <Ampera> also sounds like fun
57:24 <Ysjoelfir> are you expecting trouble?
57:27 <Ampera> ooo
57:31 <Ampera> nice
57:31 <Ysjoelfir> oh
57:31 <Halcyon> He is very, very upset
57:37 <Ampera> cool
57:41 <T3sl4> i don't know that he's bothered irc before
57:53 <steve30> i don't think i've seen him here before
57:57 <Halcyon> Maybe if his employer of goverment found out he was posting on a "Western forum", he will loose many social points?
57:59 <rust_collector> bluescull, is that the chinaman?
58:03 <Halcyon> Yessum
58:07 <T3sl4> what was the juicy last event? there were a few china digs i saw recently but didn't see the banfodder
58:19 <Ysjoelfir> I can understand that he is upset, what has happened this time again? :D
58:24 <Halcyon> T3sl4, I think you're right, but I've seen his emails and they seem to be coming from a place of desperation.
58:36 <Halcyon> He has also started threatening to post child abuse material (again)
58:48 <TheDude> wtf
58:49 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: he's a CCP fanboi
58:55 <TheDude> also hi
59:00 <Ysjoelfir> I know
59:00 * T3sl4 hugs TheDude
59:05 <Ampera> oh god is he?
59:08 <TheDude> what did he get banned for? his abhorrent schematic diagrams?
59:08 <Halcyon> T3sl4, it wasn't one particular thing. Dave basically had enough of him starting bullshit anti-west, pro-China threads.
59:21 <Halcyon> He has been warned many times to quit it and failed to do so.
59:41 <T3sl4> 19 strikes i guess is enough?
59:49 <Halcyon> TheDude, don't you know, he is working for a contractor for the Chinese Army :P
59:56 <Halcyon> You must fear him and his crappy diagrams
00:09 <Halcyon> Exactly T3sl4
00:36 <steve30> I encountered a load of communists again today :/
00:43 <Halcyon> But yeh, just in case he does decide to come here, I'm giving you guys the heads up. He will likely use a VPN because of the great firewall of China.
00:47 <Ampera> that sucks, steve30
00:59 <steve30> I also got an anti-5g leaflet which I'm going to have to post on the forum for people to laugh at :D
01:12 <rust_collector> yes please
01:13 <Halcyon> Ooooh yes please Steve :P
01:17 <Ampera> 5G is great, ever since the shot, I can hear thoughts so clearly now
01:18 <Halcyon> Put it under dodgy technology :P
01:19 <electrohead> Halcyon: thanks for the heads up.
01:37 <Ysjoelfir> did he realy START so many anti west threads? I have only seen one so far, but I assume many were deleted probably? just to tell, this results in an appearance of him being constantly in some state of being observed and every "little" thing being used against him. might not be the impression dave wants to give :)
01:39 <Halcyon> Me too Ampera, my 5G is coming in loud and clear
01:48 <TheDude> lol
01:55 <steve30> Teaser: 6.6Hz causes suicide
02:00 <steve30> (yes, Hz)
02:01 <TheDude> I found a video fitting for this opportunity
02:04 <TheDude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHsGO8a8WOE
02:05 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Civil CCP Discussions
02:09 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, a lot of his stuff is in the deleted posts section. But it's also his responses
02:22 <Halcyon> It's basically along the lines of "The west better watch out" and "China is strong"
02:38 <TheDude> tl;dw the author of the video is a god-tier troll that riles up some chinese gamers
02:45 <Ampera> I wonder what the inside of his colon smells like
02:45 <Ysjoelfir> sure, the responses I see. thats what I mean.
02:48 <Ampera> cause he's pretty far up there
03:27 <steve30> On the subject of China, I saw lots of chinese people wearing masks today.
03:38 <TheDude> how dare they!
03:54 <rust_collector> well, they always do, in some areas there, so I guess... why not?
04:07 <Halcyon> steve30, aren't you guys supposed to be wearing masks?
04:17 <coppice> steve30: they do that
04:28 <rust_collector> sure, but it is not a law, so they can not
04:45 <steve30> Halcyon, There is no requirement to outside. Of course they are entitled to dress however they please though.
05:53 <T3sl4> Ampera: i would gladly show you what mine smells like
06:24 <Halcyon> Ah right
06:30 <Halcyon> Yeh well if they think it's trendy, who cares?
06:36 <Ampera> I'm trying to think of a stronger word for "No"
08:21 <T3sl4> "negative yes"
11:19 <steve30> Halcyon, I recorded today's kill the bill protest on my police tapes :)
11:26 <steve30> This one will be in HD
11:40 <T3sl4> you've got a yellow-and-black logo for that, right?
12:27 <Halcyon> Oh neat
12:51 <Halcyon> Can you put the original "The Bill" theme song in there too? Hahaha
13:08 <steve30> i wanted to do that with the last one, but didn't
13:12 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pxOIEMODQg
13:14 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Bill - Full Theme Tune HQ
13:36 <Halcyon> Although that one sounds like a MIDI file
13:57 <steve30> do you watch The Bill?
14:01 <Halcyon> I used to quite a bit
14:02 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeMr9FhUC3U
14:03 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Flamethrower.
14:56 <T3sl4> nice, new Ahoy
15:24 <Halcyon> That guy kind of sounds like Matt from techmoan putting on a "radio voice"
15:26 <steve30> I used to watch the bill regularly but got bored of it by about 2008
15:34 <Halcyon> Yeh I didn't like the newer stuff
17:20 <steve30> BTW, I donated Dave an LBC during his live LBRY video the other day. My first donation in several years of watching :)
17:23 <T3sl4> Halcyon: yeah, if he had a gaming-history bent he'd fit right in
23:51 <steve30> I think I'll go to bed
24:06 * Ampera tucks steve30 in
24:51 <Halcyon> Night Steve... BRB...
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29:13 * Ampera sneezes
29:20 <Ampera> I'm allergic to handsomeness
29:20 <Ampera> get out
29:32 <rust_collector> sorry...
29:41 <Ampera> no, not you, you're acceptably ugly
29:55 * T3sl4 strikes a pose
29:58 <rust_collector> ah, good good. I have been working on it for decades
30:05 <Halcyon> He means me guys :P
30:51 <rust_collector> well, i saw a pic, but I only saw a halloween dress, and lots of gloop in your hair
31:48 <Halcyon> Halloween?
32:16 <rust_collector> I am only guessing. I am not too familiar with your different weird things down there
32:27 <Halcyon> Heh
33:09 <Ampera> Australia is different. They sort of have Halloween, but instead of going door to door and getting candy, you go door to door and start fights
33:21 <Ampera> the bag you bring is for the teeth you knock out
33:28 <Ampera> whoever gets the most teeth wins
33:33 <rust_collector> they are irish?
33:45 <Ampera> no, the irish would have gotten drunk first
33:53 <Halcyon> Some people do the door to door candy thing, but most people don't
34:07 <Halcyon> I usually go out for the evening so I don't have to deal with it
34:07 <rust_collector> I thought that was a default state for the irish?
34:44 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=m_npTC0Rvgg&list=OLAK5uy_lsvdSQOVibXSfKJfjfO6xJCjPNrf6JQlM
34:45 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Space Song
34:59 <Ampera> I've been listening to this album recently, and it's really good
35:03 <Ampera> this is a really nice group
35:28 <rust_collector> not available, it says
35:51 <Ampera> git murican, then
35:58 <rust_collector> is it beach house?
36:03 <Ampera> it is
36:29 <T3sl4> that is nice
37:21 <rust_collector> yeah, I sense some quality there. but it is just a bit noisy for my taste
58:02 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfncpL_6tnA
58:03 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Moderat Likvidation - Moderat Likvidation (EP 1983)
58:15 <rust_collector> not my style either
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12:05 <rust_collector> heh, I like this comment: The trouble with Russian boiler suits is the problem of what to do with all the little ones inside
24:24 <steve30> sleep was unsucessful
31:17 <rust_collector> bad bed!
33:34 <rust_collector> gawd! wife is playing "90's dance hits"
34:05 <rust_collector> I sent her to carl cox, so that is a bit better, and the dogs wonder wth is going on
06:12 <coppice> rust_collector: they offer a comprehensive set of boiler suits to suit all sizes of boiler
09:14 <Hsn> Halcyon: so u ban blueskull just because his skull is blue ?
10:43 <rust_collector> no, it is because his brain is red, and he says blue
11:34 <coppice> its OK banning him, as long as you also ban all the anti-Chinese race baiters he reacts to
12:23 <rust_collector> I do get mixed feelings about the "china" things....
12:53 <rust_collector> it does go both ways
20:38 <coppice> steve30: try sleeping enough times, and its eventually so successful you don't wake up
20:54 <rust_collector> coppice are you Ampera ?
20:57 <steve30> hehe
21:22 <Ampera> he wishes he wasn't me
21:39 <rust_collector> good try
21:48 <Ampera> if you say so
22:02 <Ampera> I already have a split personality, I don't need it split further
22:24 <rust_collector> only one of them is
41:14 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @TubeTimeUS: found on a circuit board from some late '80s computer. looks like someone didn't like IBM 😂 https://t.co/pVDtEn4rJI
04:44 <T3sl4> ^
04:48 <T3sl4> anyone can count to one https://twitter.com/TubeTimeUS/status/1388628302873591810
04:59 <T3sl4> (for those that didn't see the bot)
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26:14 <electrohead> that's funny, heh
31:44 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @LiesNStartupPR: Lies, Damn Lies, and Startup PR: Quite the 18 Months https://t.co/cSobP3vXp5
33:07 <Halcyon> I bought a new pot plant for the laundry :P
33:21 <Halcyon> Hsn, no, he was banned because he's a fuckwit that can't do as he is told
36:56 * Halcyon punches Ampera in the box
37:46 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
37:57 <Halcyon> \o/
38:01 <Halcyon> Looooove meeeee
38:13 <Ampera> funny thing, I just so happened to check my phone
38:28 <Ampera> I was sleeping only a minute ago
38:36 <Halcyon> OK... ?
38:49 <Ampera> sufjtrus7sigkrjeus7s
38:57 <Halcyon> Yes
38:58 <Halcyon> I agree
39:10 <Ampera> I thought you would
42:59 <Halcyon> https://odysee.com/@bigclivedotcom:0d/sunset-light-projector-teardown:6
43:00 <eevBot> [Title] - Sunset light projector teardown
43:02 <Halcyon> That's a pretty colour
44:22 <Ampera> so is the color of the average kidney or liver
44:23 <coppice> Halcyon: there's some real racist scum in the eevblog forum, but you ban someone who gets pissed off by that
45:25 <Halcyon> coppice, I agree. However we believe in freedom of speech. He was banned because no matter what he posts, he's doing it to stir others up (and vice versa)
45:42 <Halcyon> He was told to stop, so many times before
45:54 <Halcyon> Plus the constant political posts
46:05 <Halcyon> If someone wants to be a cock and say racist things, that's on them.
47:19 <coppice> Halcyon: all the anti-Chinese posts are also political. ban them all or ban none, otherwise you are no better than Susan Wojcicki. You'll be giving yourself a free speech award next
47:30 <Halcyon> There's a fine line between letting people say what they want and over-moderation. You can see an example of where it has turned to shit over on whirlpool.net.au
47:35 <Halcyon> It's a horrible forum
47:56 <coppice> whirlpool was always a mess
48:01 <Halcyon> I don't want an award. I just want less work moderating that forum
48:24 <Halcyon> At the end of the day, he was told to pull his head in, he didn't, that's why he was banned
48:44 <Halcyon> Then there were other things like direct threats to Dave which just crossed over the line
53:10 <Ampera> Awards are cool, but only when the most important authority, one's own self, decides to recognize you.
53:21 <Ampera> Otherwise it's just sad
57:46 <Halcyon> https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/doctor-dies-after-publicly-declaring-covid19-vaccine-unnecessary/news-story/159b8f221291511c6b164e7290b40e4e
57:50 <eevBot> [Title] - COVID-19 vaccine: Kenyan doctor Stephen Karanja dies after publicly declaring vax ‘unnecessary’
58:03 <Halcyon> Hah
59:29 <coppice> I remember when VAX declared DEC unnecessary
59:58 <Halcyon> Heh
00:02 <Halcyon> Old fart :P
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01:49 <steve30> hi
25:25 <Lemon> hi peeps
26:05 * Ampera squeezes Lemon
26:14 <steve30> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/funny-anti-5g-leaflet/msg3561393/#msg3561393
26:17 <eevBot> [Title] - Funny Anti 5G Leaflet - Page 1
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10:56 <Jens> Oh for gods sake. Ebay is just as retarded as paypal. Can't write their support without logging in. So it's impossible to contact them about not being able to log in.
11:40 <Jens> I hate the internet.
20:29 <Ysjoelfir> morniiiiiiings! \o/
21:55 <Jens> Morning, Ysjoelfir.
22:52 <Lemon> morning :>
25:26 <Lemon> I remembered that I had 3 salvaged precision wirewound resistors coming from a defective ohm module from the fluke 8502a, im measuring them with the 3456a in 4 wire mode
25:31 <Lemon> and damn, they are rock stable
25:56 <Lemon> well I have just 6 digits of resolution as its an upper scale but the LSD barely moves
26:04 <Lemon> and its not in a closed box
26:32 <Lemon> too bad they got weird values
27:01 <Lemon> hmmm something is weird
27:11 <Lemon> I dont touch anything and suddently, everything goes weird
27:14 <Lemon> reading goes crazy
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57:04 <rust_collector> mornynks
57:43 <Lemon> hi rusty
57:50 <rust_collector> hey-oo
58:16 <Lemon> something weird is happening : im measuring a precision resistor with the 3456a, nothing fancy, and logging it to excel. But at one moment, reading go full crazy, on all digits, not the last 1-2
58:29 <Lemon> I tried to see if its my phone, but it barely changes anything
58:37 <Lemon> I thought about my gpsdo, so I turned it off to see
58:49 <Lemon> its not a connection issue, it would either work or not
58:55 <Lemon> and I tried shaking it, no issue
05:44 <Lemon> hmm it did it again without the gpsdo/phone nearby
05:47 <Lemon> I really dont get it
08:49 <rust_collector> and if you disconnect the wires and reconnect... what happens?
17:32 <Lemon> it works for a moment and do it again
17:39 <Lemon> right now im measuring my decade box, it seems fine
17:48 <Lemon> maybe thats the resistor itself, but thats a weird behavior
18:05 <Lemon> kelvin clips are rather new, and of pretty good quality
18:16 <Lemon> and its either an open line or a good measurement
18:25 <Lemon> if you dont touch them theres no reasons for this to happen
18:55 <Lemon> I will try with the fluke in a few
20:26 <Kuschelpony> hmm, really weird
20:45 <Lemon> im gonna eat and let it log
20:45 <rust_collector> yes, that seems weird, for a resistor
20:49 <Lemon> see you in a few
21:46 <Kuschelpony> just one silly question: did you use 4-wire connections down to the actual resistor wire? if not i could imagine an intermittent wire break somewhere in between plus a partial short between voltage and current lines
42:32 <rust_collector> Kuschelpony did you make the power supply thing yet? iIrc, it was an lm317 and 431, and not very much more
45:03 <Kuschelpony> i had something made up but got distracted with other projects
45:41 <rust_collector> ok.
45:47 <Kuschelpony> at least i got to measure recently an #52 toroid for audio purposes and reached a Q of almost 100
45:56 <Lemon> yes I was using kelvin clips
46:03 <Lemon> im doing it with my decade box, no problem
46:15 <Lemon> those resistors came from a defective ohm module, maybe they were the culprit
46:33 <Lemon> internal wounds maybe dilates with current over time
46:52 <Lemon> im really proud of that decade box
47:01 <Lemon> I kinda want to build another one for capacitance
47:11 <Lemon> guess I'll do it once I'll have my lcr meter
47:53 <rust_collector> yeees, it is time to order that....
48:09 <Lemon> I need money first :>
48:15 <Kuschelpony> hmm, ok then its really weird what happens in the resistor
48:36 <Kuschelpony> a capacitor multi-decade box is also on my list of wishes
48:37 <Lemon> yeah
48:45 <Lemon> build one !
48:53 <Lemon> get some polystyrene caps and bam
49:11 <Lemon> or maybe I'll make a single decade with silver mica caps, they are quite big
49:15 <Lemon> but im sure they are super stable
49:24 <Lemon> I have some SSG-1/2
49:43 <Lemon> I learnt that NIST certifies inductances with a max accuracy of 0.02%
50:22 <Kuschelpony> i have probably enough Polypropylene caps but not yet enough rotation switches
50:46 <rust_collector> is this a big resistor? can it handle some current?
50:46 <Kuschelpony> (would love to have a mechanical linkage that i could turn all values through with one knob
50:56 <Lemon> I did mine with silver plated thumbwheel switches
51:17 <Lemon> well physically its big, idk the rating tho its not written on it
51:19 <Kuschelpony> for me the goal is not precision, but more like tuning of filters and such to be selectable
51:20 <rust_collector> Lemon did his with extra radioactive switches. very neat
51:30 <Lemon> :>
51:45 <Lemon> I used mundorf lead to solder them, with a pair of pliers as a heatsink
51:54 <Lemon> values didnt move a lot
52:10 <Lemon> resistors are vishays/yageo 0.1%, and 1% for 10/100M dales
52:23 <Lemon> 25 ppm/C if I remember right
52:30 <Lemon> which is mooooore than enough for a tinkering thingie
52:53 <Lemon> residual resistance of the 9 decades set to 0 is under 0.4R, which is quite neat compared to IET boxes
53:22 <rust_collector> I wonder, if it is physically big, it can probably handle 0.1A, so maybe try that, and see if it does anything over some time, as it heats up?
53:24 <Kuschelpony> nicenice
53:56 <Lemon> well I'd need 200V for that, as its a 2k one
54:17 <Lemon> I have two others from the same module, I'll test them
54:27 <Lemon> I will also test the "defective" one with the fluke
54:37 <Kuschelpony> hmm and check also for thermovoltages, not only for absolute drift
54:48 <Lemon> you mean ppm/V ?
55:19 <Lemon> well I doubt I can change current/voltage with the 3456a or 8502a
55:22 <Lemon> so im limited by that
55:30 <Lemon> and the 8502a doesnt have a program to log it, yet
55:40 <rust_collector> well, just test it at 0.2A then, and just hook it up to 220v.
55:46 <rust_collector> nah, but yes
55:50 <Lemon> yeah no thanks lol
55:58 <Lemon> heh I'll test on the fluke
56:04 <Lemon> if its the same behavior we fixed
56:13 <Lemon> but I guess its coming from the resistor, as my decade box works fine
56:17 <Lemon> in the exact same conditions
56:29 <Lemon> but it will be hard to see, the fluke is behind me
56:40 <Lemon> and I cant log it, something isnt working
56:47 <rust_collector> so you have to set up a camera, and wifi, and...
56:59 <Lemon> yeye lol
57:06 <Lemon> im quite happy of the little usb fixture for the PA
57:11 <Lemon> it already gave me valuable infos
57:19 <Lemon> like the power switch on my diy thermometer is a lie
57:34 <Lemon> idk what I did, shit obviously
57:36 <rust_collector> yes, that was weird
57:46 <Lemon> its turning of the screen/led only it seems
57:57 <Lemon> as current drops from 40ma to 25ma
57:58 <rust_collector> abut at least you know the screen is pretty efficient
58:06 <Lemon> yeah
58:13 <Lemon> I like that little thing
58:17 <Lemon> I need to modify it a bit
58:39 <Lemon> but it will be hard, I built it a way that any mod will force me to redo everything
58:45 <Lemon> everything is hotglued
59:31 <rust_collector> is there anything that can not take a bath in alcohol?
00:33 <rust_collector> and... meh, it does work, doesn't it?
00:49 <Lemon> yeah it works
00:54 <Lemon> so I wont touch it for now
01:07 <Lemon> besides software, I want it to output a ascii string in a .txt
01:16 <Lemon> so I can log it along other instruments
01:35 <Lemon> right now its using a vb.net program I made, it works nicely but you cant add another instrument
01:56 <Lemon> I also want to put resin or something on the other sensor, that is on a cable
02:08 <Lemon> so I can put it in an instrument or whatever, without risking shorting something on the little board
02:21 <Lemon> but idk what I can use that wont affect the chip itself
09:31 <steve30> I think my Sony camcorders need their head cleaned
09:35 <rust_collector> hmm, that was a tiny little chip, wasn't it?
09:47 <rust_collector> steve30 I think so too
10:12 <Lemon> ok same behavior just happenned again
10:14 <Lemon> wtf seriously
10:25 <rust_collector> on the fruke?
11:38 <Lemon> still the hp, with decade box
11:49 <Lemon> it worked perfectly for one hour, and suddenly it crapped its pants
11:55 <rust_collector> oh, that can not be good
11:58 <Lemon> and now last digit is moving a lot
13:55 <Lemon> maybe its the gpib liaison ? and evne that I doubt it
14:09 <Lemon> I measured my voltage ref over night for like 10 hours straight without a single issue
16:57 <Lemon> I really dont get it
17:04 <Lemon> I will research on that
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33:39 <Lemon> I think its due to gpib
34:13 <Lemon> I was testing 2 wire mode, and on the excel file I used to log it it was on 4 wire, meter didnt liked and showed values close to what happenned earlier
34:24 <Lemon> so I guess it fails at one moment for something
34:37 <Lemon> I mean, if it manages to measure it correctly for a set amount of time, and randomly fails
34:41 <Lemon> it can come only from that
36:09 <Lemon> one time it failed after 15 minutes, one time after 1h
36:23 <Lemon> so yeah im pretty sure it comes from the gpib liaison, maybe windows is fucking with me, no idea
36:28 <Lemon> I highly doubt its the meter
37:44 <Guest69> what meter?
37:57 <Lemon> hp 3456a
38:58 <Lemon> mah baby
39:07 <Lemon> but I equally like the fluke 8502a
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47:18 <rust_collector> french meters. they are longer than other meters
58:31 * Ampera sneezes hard
58:46 <rust_collector> *BOOM!*
59:58 <Ampera> nitro snotcerin
00:23 <rust_collector> it happens....
01:05 <Ampera> thanks for being so understanding
01:39 <rust_collector> I don't have anything against random explosions now and then. it keeps things interesting
01:59 <Ampera> true that
04:12 <rust_collector> well, i guess that was most of the interesting things that happened today, lol
04:40 <Ampera> your weekends must be more interesting than mine then
05:20 <rust_collector> oh yes, they are great. sundays are the worst day. completely useless
05:57 <rust_collector> but, as my neighbors seems to be outside making noises today, I am thinking I should too
06:09 <Ampera> that sounds fun
06:33 <Ampera> we have a postage stamp instead of a yard, so I don't have much to make noise with
06:34 <rust_collector> mmhf, well, not really. but it is something
07:52 <rust_collector> I think I will finish putting wheels on my welder, and a mount for the bottle. at least that will be useful later
09:52 <rust_collector> Dad was here, and gave me a pretty nice shirt. but, as usual, it is the wrong size. I think they changed the sizes...
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31:51 * electrohead yawns, waves, and stuff
32:20 * rust_collector lubes up his toes
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36:10 * Ampera barrels into electrohead, tackling him to the ground with a full-force hug
36:39 * electrohead shits all over Ampera
36:47 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
36:56 <electrohead> shitty, literally >.<
37:02 <Ampera> oh shit
37:10 <electrohead> my stomach is still screaming at me, from the first shot
37:10 <Ampera> I just spent over 60 bucks on IEC cables
37:19 <Ampera> oh you just got your first shot?
37:20 <Ampera> which one
37:23 <electrohead> moderna
37:26 <electrohead> got it on friday
37:37 <Ampera> My dad got his second shot on Friday
37:46 <Ampera> he said he was busted all day yesterday, but that he's fine now
37:54 <Ampera> his was pfizer
37:59 <Ampera> my second pfizer shot is on May 5th
41:01 <electrohead> dude I'm afraid to eat
41:42 <Ampera> cool
41:44 <rust_collector> get some cheap indian takeaway. it will hurt no matter what, so it would feel like normal
41:55 <Ampera> That is excellent advice, rust_collector
42:31 <rust_collector> thank you, I do have a lot of experience in the field of eating things I should not
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