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13:39 <Kuschelpony> good day back again
15:54 <rust_collector> re-morning
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16:53 <newbie> Good day all
19:31 <newbie> I have a temp/humidity sensor in a SIP package with 1.27mm spacing like the own shown here labeled A : https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/uploads/articles/sensor_4_700_x.jpg
20:00 <newbie> is there a socket that such a component can be inserted into instead of soldering to the pins?
22:46 <rust_collector> will this work for you? https://no.mouser.com/datasheet/2/181/M50-303-1100763.pdf
23:29 <rust_collector> or this: https://no.mouser.com/datasheet/2/181/M50-313-1101520.pdf
23:34 <K> is the sensor expensive?
23:45 <K> i would just solder it to regular pin header pins
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25:41 <newbie> it is $10 however when subjected to heat there is a rehydration process that the datasheet indicates. I could follow the rehydration process after soldering however I was wondering if there is a method to connect it without subjecting it to heat...
26:04 <newbie> thank you rust_collector... yes I was looking at something such as headers like the ones you linked
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26:27 <newbie> I was also looking at this one: https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/mill-max-manufacturing-corp/851-13-004-10-003000/8286180
27:11 <rust_collector> but does the sensor have round pins?
27:20 <newbie> however I am not sure if those sockets are meant for the pins of this component are they are flat... I am questioning if it will make good contact and hold over time
28:04 <newbie> no, this is the sensor here: https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/honeywell-sensing-and-productivity-solutions/HIH7120-021-001/4440794
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30:20 <newbie> yea.. the link I provided for the socket wouldn't make sense. Do you think the sockets you linked would hold it in place? or something like this: https://www.digikey.ca/en/products/detail/sullins-connector-solutions/LPPB041NFFN-RC/1786362
31:32 <rust_collector> that looks about right to me? I guess you could put a little blob of sticky stuff to keep it in place, if needed?
31:41 <K> maybe you can just bend them legs a bit?
31:53 <newbie> bend them?
32:00 <K> to fit into 2.54 socket
32:04 <newbie> oh...
32:20 <newbie> maybe.. they look fragile to me...
32:31 <rust_collector> well, there are 0.050" sockets out there, so...
33:08 <newbie> I am not familar with SMD components. Is this component normally meant to be soldered flat like an smd?
33:30 <rust_collector> I think it said thru hole?
34:17 <newbie> yea.. just wasn't sure if it really is classified as thru hole... I never worked with this pitch before
34:25 <newbie> on a through hole component
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35:19 <newbie> I will look further into the socket and some kind of adhesive...
35:58 <rust_collector> will it vibrate a lot?
39:36 <newbie> no it shouldn't... I plan to put the sensor into an enclosure such as this
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40:13 <newbie> https://www.ebay.com/itm/173940209491
40:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - Protective Cover SHT10/SHT20 Soil Temperature Humidity Moisture Sensor Shell | eBay
40:15 <rust_collector> well, then just stick it in, and use some "glue" if it ever fall out?
40:33 <rust_collector> heh, that is neat
41:08 <newbie> my local store carries a longer version like this: https://www.samtec.com/products/sms-130-01-g-s
41:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - SMS-130-01-G-S - Through-Hole Micro Socket, 0.050" x 0.100" Pitch | Samtec
41:16 <newbie> so maybe I will just get this and cut it down to size
41:44 <newbie> are these kinds of sockets meant for flat rectangular type legs such as the ones on my component?
42:16 <newbie> what I look at 2.54 (?) pin headers, the pins appear to be much thicker...
42:20 <newbie> when I*
42:54 <K> pin header sockets are different from ic sockets
43:17 <rust_collector> well, it does show flat contacts on 2 sides of the hole, so... I guess it should work, if the legs are thick enough
44:34 <newbie> this kind of micro socket: https://www.samtec.com/products/sms-130-01-g-s -- is this classified as a female header socket or ic socket?
44:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - SMS-130-01-G-S - Through-Hole Micro Socket, 0.050" x 0.100" Pitch | Samtec
46:30 <K> hmm, looks like pin header socket
46:39 <K> otoh
46:51 <newbie> so is there like an "ic socket" that is meant for this kind of sensor?
48:05 <rust_collector> hsn should know, as he works with stuff, and sits on the internet all day....
48:21 <K> hm, problem is those legs do not look like standart ic legs
49:27 <newbie> maybe I should be looking at something like this? : https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/0012145-21-pin-type-1-25mm_60532437898.html
49:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - 0012145 21 Pin Type 1.25mm Pitch Ic Socket Connector Zf Fpc Connector - Buy 1.25mm Pitch,12 Pin Cable Connector,Zif Connector Product on Alibaba.com
49:54 <K> that is 1.25
50:20 <rust_collector> yes, but he said "something like"
50:45 <rust_collector> well, measure the legs of your sensor?
52:40 <newbie> according to the datasheet they are 5mm long, 1.27mm apart, 0.41mm in width, and 0.203mm thickness
53:14 <rust_collector> pretty thin...
55:20 <K> does the application note say anything about mounting ?
56:16 <newbie> from what I can tell, data sheet shows a landing pattern which I think for soldering pads
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07:04 <K> whuh
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09:38 <K> then i have a suspicion that there are no dedicated sockets for this elements
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23:39 <newbie> K > It looks that way, I will either have to solder or hack something together
24:19 <newbie> that closest thing I could find were for flat ribbon connectors
25:12 <K> is it for a production or just some prototyping?
25:55 <K> id just solder it to something
26:38 <K> hold it by the leg in metal tweezer to somewhat limit heat going into the part
27:36 <newbie> it will eventually be used at my workplace
28:11 <K> hm, then maybe it is worth tryin out some of sockets
28:50 <K> it would suck to have hand solder 100 of those
29:45 <newbie> oh no.. it will just be a few units
30:29 <newbie> I can follow the rehydration process and create a microenvironment with the appropriate RH... just thought maybe there was a socket and I could be creative..
30:46 <hsn> Lelo
31:37 <K> wouldnt rehydration be good for calbiration anyway?
33:47 <newbie> in my limited emails with Honeywell they indicated the device is already calibrated and there is no need for user calibration. though I am still planning on testing two microenvironments of 75% RH and 33% RH
36:55 <newbie> something like these might work ... but I'll need to see how easily I can get them:
36:55 <newbie> http://www.yamaichi.co.jp/en/products/tabid/149/catid/24/Default.aspx
37:31 <rust_collector> easy, you just have to buy 3000 of them
37:39 <hsn> What's wrong with soldering again?
38:51 <rust_collector> it heats the thing
39:06 <newbie> lol
39:10 <hsn> And destroys it?
39:16 <newbie> yea.. the data sheet mentions:
40:14 <newbie> Exposure to elevated temperatures, such as those
40:15 <newbie> experienced during solder reflow, may dry out the sensing
40:15 <newbie> element. It is recommended that the sensor be allowed time
40:15 <newbie> to rehydrate after soldering or other high temperature/dry
40:15 <newbie> exposures.
40:15 <newbie> • Exposure to these conditions will not permanently damage the
40:15 <newbie> sensor. It will generally return to its factory-calibrated value after
40:15 <newbie> rehydration.
40:59 <newbie> I was just trying to avoid heating it.. but its not an issue if such a socket is not readily available
41:21 <Kuschelpony> hmm, just thinking:
41:32 <Kuschelpony> do they mean hand-soldering at al?
41:33 <newbie> If rehydration is not performed, the sensor may read a slight
41:33 <newbie> offset that slowly disappears over time as the sensor becomes
41:33 <newbie> exposed to ambient conditions. Conversely, extended
41:33 <newbie> exposure to condensing and high humidity environments
41:33 <newbie> (>90 %RH) may cause a revisable shift in readings which will
41:33 <newbie> generally return to normal after the sensor has been allowed to
41:33 <newbie> dry off.
42:01 <newbie> at first I was thinking it was just reflow oven but they do mention "...or other high temperature/dry
42:02 <newbie> exposures."
42:44 <Kuschelpony> i meant, perhaps when hand-soldering the wires while the sensor body sdoes not very heat up, the shift might be low enough to be tolerable, wheil rehydrating might only be needed when doing reflo soldering where the whole thing gets hot
42:57 <Kuschelpony> perhaps for more than some seconds?
42:59 <hsn> But if its through hole and fast solder i dont think its gonna affect
43:06 <newbie> I was looking at the following: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/projects/how-to-check-and-calibrate-a-humidity-sensor/
43:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Please Wait... | Cloudflare
43:15 <Kuschelpony> but i have to admit, i am too lazy to order a few and compare
43:55 <newbie> under "Sensor Evaluation Procedure" it shows that the HIH6030 didn't perform that great compared to the others. If you look at the breakout board they used:
44:12 <newbie> https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/uploads/articles/sensor_4_700_x.jpg --- it looks like they hand soldered component "D"
44:33 <newbie> and I am making the assumption that perhaps they did not perform the rehydration procedure and that is why it didn't perform that well
45:54 <newbie> HIH6030 had a RMSE of 8.796 compared to the HIH821 (not sure if the soldered it) of a RMSE 0.920
47:50 <newbie> anyhow.. no worries... I'll solder it and rehydrate to be on the safe side if I can't find a socket easily
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06:26 <newbie> Thank you all! have a great day.
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15:01 <Ysjoelfir> re
22:53 <rust_collector> rererererereereeeeee
23:42 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrxL6eQGvQM
23:43 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: OREO OREOREO MEME
24:50 <Ysjoelfir> though I like that more https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoxR73i2aik
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25:35 <Ysjoelfir> and now in real life version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnFC5DQ7pJE
25:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Oreo....O And Reo [[Syera Nurul]]
25:42 <Ysjoelfir> and now I stop being annoying xD
27:03 <K> a noying
27:03 <rust_collector> not really. what did you end up with on your trolley?
27:08 <K> yea
27:10 <rust_collector> one noying
27:12 <K> pics or it didnt happen
27:28 <Ysjoelfir> its still in the cars trunk. I'll cary it up tomorrow
28:08 <K> :|
28:17 <K> "i'll do it tomorrow"
28:33 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, the annoying landlordladybitch is here, she would probably comment and I want to avoid that
34:07 <rust_collector> so, did you get to look at the rest of mr uncles collection of stuff
34:53 <Ysjoelfir> there was not much more, just some old model trains. My dad and my uncle would have loved that, but I am not so into model trains anymore.
47:23 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, you might like the guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeSobDOujyM
47:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Old school threading on my vintage Karger lathe
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23:37 Nick: Ysjoelfir_ is now known as Ysjoelfir
23:49 * steve30 meows at Ysjoelfir 
25:21 * Ysjoelfir pets the steve
44:39 <steve30> *purr*
46:09 <electrohead> o/
03:03 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. head
03:36 <Ysjoelfir> K, rust_collector, I just carried the scopemobil upstairs. now I only need to fetch me a 500 series scope to mount that on there. I should probably get one of my nice 502A from the attic.
10:07 <rust_collector> yes, you probably should
12:09 <Ysjoelfir> Und I did
13:41 <Ysjoelfir> Though I ojnly grabbed the shitty 502A, not the nice one. The nice one was way deeper in there, would have taken me three days to dig that out.
14:25 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15UDARWiKjAN_uQhxF_B1pknkSsmaeedQ?usp=sharing
14:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Tektronix Scopemobil 202-1 - Google Drive
15:27 <Lemon> haaa you got the scopemobil !
15:30 <Lemon> how is it ? :>
15:38 <rust_collector> I wonder if that is the same case they used for my old welder
15:58 <Lemon> el famoso 502A
16:18 <Ysjoelfir> it rolls and swivels super nice. but needs a bit of cleaning
16:35 <Ysjoelfir> makes moving around a tek scope so freakin' much easyer...
16:50 <Lemon> thats so nice, I need to find some similar things when I'll re-build my lab in my flat
17:16 <Ysjoelfir> and you need a 502A than
17:28 <rust_collector> is the handle for the tilt?
17:29 <Lemon> ho ! one day I told you I want a safety switch to turn off everything, in case of a fuckup (or because I like those switches, lets be honest)
17:34 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1982097975.htm?ac=2404136686
17:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
17:47 <Lemon> what do you think on that one ? telemecanique is quite a nice brand if im right
18:05 <rust_collector> Lemon... didn't I tell you to buy that one several long time ago?
18:10 <rust_collector> it is
18:15 <rust_collector> a real brand
18:27 <Lemon> yes but there was a bug that couldnt let me take my relay next to my house
18:29 <Lemon> now I can :>
18:39 <Lemon> but yes ok I take it
18:44 <Lemon> its already in a box, which is nice
18:55 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, the long handle on the front is for moving it around and also for adjusting the tilt, to allow the tilting motion you have to pull that T shaped plunger behind the handle
18:58 <rust_collector> make sure it has a switch inside, and not just a button in a case
19:07 <rust_collector> right
19:13 <Lemon> no way, I cant take the relay...
19:19 <Lemon> wtf with that website it lasted one day
20:01 <Lemon> I dont want to pay 8 euros of shipping for a 5 euros item
20:06 <Lemon> 4 was okish
21:44 <Lemon> well guess I'll wait
21:59 <Lemon> I always take pick-up relays to pay cheaper
22:15 <Lemon> thats always 4-5 euros saved, which adds up quickly on small things like that
23:21 <rust_collector> yeah, who cares about safety items anyway
23:28 <rust_collector> especially the cheap ones
23:43 <Lemon> well I really want it but its annoying to pay 4-5 eur more just because of a bug
24:10 <rust_collector> the funny thing, is that your safety switch is the only thing that will catch fire and short out in your entire lab
24:31 <Lemon> why would it ? :>
24:45 <rust_collector> just because it is a safety device
25:09 <rust_collector> the more dodgy crap you get into, the safer you are
25:44 <Lemon> heh
26:19 <Lemon> anyway
26:37 <Lemon> I won that lot of mueller crocos, I need to find some nice silicone wire and banana plugs
26:46 <Lemon> so I can finally have proper leads, and not pay 20 euros for them
26:59 <rust_collector> eh, that 50kg pile of leads?
27:19 <rust_collector> no, ok
27:51 <Lemon> nah its only banana to banana
27:55 <Lemon> I asked the guy
28:04 <Lemon> I already have enough of those
28:09 <Lemon> he dont want to send it anyway
29:27 <Lemon> for the wire I guess on ebay its not too hard to get it, but its not easy to find nice bananas
29:46 <Lemon> I dont need ultra low emf blabla ones, I dont care, but decent ones that will last
30:16 <electrohead> how goes it and stuff?
30:19 * electrohead beers Ysjoelfir
30:30 <Ysjoelfir> woah! more!
30:57 <Lemon> hellohello
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31:05 <rust_collector> with tones of dark roasted coffee and chocolate, with a hint of smoke
31:28 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, I lemoned a bit and got a nice Tektronix Scopemobil!
32:09 <rust_collector> next time, get a scoopmobile, those are also nice and retro
32:30 <Ysjoelfir> lol
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41:32 * electrohead beers Ysjoelfir more
41:35 <electrohead> lol
42:08 <electrohead> so we aren't as strict about the mask policy at the store, here, mainly because we're sick and tired of the ignorant people and their threats
42:27 <electrohead> we've had enough
43:56 <Ysjoelfir> :O
44:36 <electrohead> some dude almost got physical with me, recently
44:46 <electrohead> and then my boss got screamed at by some old dude
44:52 <Ysjoelfir> oO
44:52 <electrohead> ..
45:02 <hsn> for what electrohead ..
45:07 <electrohead> "I'm american, can't tell me what to do!"
45:11 <electrohead> hsn: all over a mask
45:43 <hsn> pour vodka on their face .. and tell them how face mask would protect them
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48:31 <rust_collector> meh, throw them in the wood chipper.
50:32 <electrohead> lol
53:29 <hsn> rust_collector, and then pour vodka inside wood chipper ?
53:49 <rust_collector> no, you send the vodka to me.
54:43 <hsn> EEVBot, give vodka to rust_collector
54:43 * EEVBot hands vodka to rust_collector
54:47 <hsn> EEVBot, help
54:57 <rust_collector> good eevbot
55:07 <Lemon> I really have trouble selecting a wire diameter for test leads, with mm2 and awg (as mine are all in awg) I came up with 14 awg, sounds good ?
55:16 <Lemon> not too thin, but not too thick either for bench use
55:22 <Lemon> Its not for insane currents
55:32 <hsn> lemon
55:38 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 14awg to mm
55:39 <Ysjoelfir> don't use such nonsense units, Lemon :D
55:41 <rust_collector> get some different ones?
55:42 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 14 awg to mm
55:47 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 14 awg to mm2
55:48 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is Invalid mm2
55:53 <rust_collector> lol
56:14 <Ysjoelfir> roughlt 2mm^2
56:18 <Lemon> yes I know, but as I said on the few wires were its marked, its in awg xd
56:31 <Lemon> so I have a hard time representing me how it would be
56:33 <Lemon> even in mm2
56:40 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 1 m to cm
56:41 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is 100.0 cm
56:45 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 1 awg to cm
56:46 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is 0.734813983217575 cm
56:49 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 1 awg to mm
56:49 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is 7.3481398321757485 mm
56:56 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 24 awg to mm
56:56 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is 0.5105592270625724 mm
57:00 <hsn> yeah that
57:05 <hsn> EEVBot, convert 14 awg to mm
57:05 <EEVBot> hsn: The result is 1.6277266337915048 mm
57:49 <Lemon> "cross conductor section area mm2" 2.5mm for 14 awg
57:50 <hsn> Lemon, i just remember that 24awg ---> 0.5mm2 ... 18awg ----> 1mm2 ..
58:16 <hsn> roughly <^
59:02 <hsn> mm not mm2 ^ sry
59:53 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/324617968469
59:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Vintage Lot De 20 Pinces Crocodile Metal Cuivre Mueller N° 60 Et 80 Collection | eBay
00:01 <Lemon> can you see this ? thats what I bought
00:10 <Lemon> I want to use the bigger ones
00:11 <rust_collector> Les enchères sur cet objet sont terminées.
00:17 <Lemon> but its hard to decide which size
00:28 <Lemon> https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/NQcAAOSw-lpgddLq/s-l1600.jpg
00:54 <rust_collector> why?
01:30 <Lemon> well I dont have the dimensions of those clips
01:45 <rust_collector> they are not spandex, so you will need several sizes anyway
01:58 <Lemon> and idk which wire will be fine for my use, not too thin, not too thick etc
02:25 <rust_collector> you need all of them
12:23 <Lemon> I think 14awg for bigger ones, and maybe 22 for the small copper ones
12:43 <Lemon> those little shit cost 5-6 euros a piece new, so im happy, 8 euros delivered for 20 is good
12:52 <Lemon> little pure copper ones are even more expensive and harder to get
13:33 <Lemon> maybe I should do interconnects with the small ones, croc to croc instead of banana to croc
17:16 <Ampera> muahahaha I am in a store and am not wearing a mask
17:23 <Ampera> everyone else is wearing a mask :P
18:15 <Ysjoelfir> why?
20:25 <rust_collector> probably trying to be extra american
22:31 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, why what
22:50 <Ysjoelfir> y u no wear piece of cloth in face, lan?
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37:40 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, not required for fully vaccinated people anymore
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41:40 <Ysjoelfir> cool. we will need that anyways. because "solidarity" and "equality". at the same time we say that vaccinated people are free to do stuff that is prohibited for not vaccinated ones. so much for solidarity and equality
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49:36 <rust_collector> who cares, as long as there is cake
51:10 <Ysjoelfir> I don't realy care anymore as I get vaccinated soon, but I don't think its fair at all
52:09 <rust_collector> I don't really care, because I don't really care. but cake is goood. i have no idea about vaccine things. I guess it will happen some day
52:38 <Ysjoelfir> also, I wonder... if one would connect a vintage, lets say 30s to 60s, microphone to a modern machine.... would it still sound that..... "special" as you hear in old TV tapes? or is it just the tape itself that makes it sound so bad and the mics were not much worse than modern ones?
52:43 <Ysjoelfir> yes, cake is indeed good! I take four.
53:02 <rust_collector> some mics have a different sound
53:44 <rust_collector> I don't think they were always bad, so what we hear is probably just a bad old recording
54:38 <Ysjoelfir> hmmm... I thought so.
55:01 <Ysjoelfir> would love to know how one of the neumann tube mics sound nowadays
56:44 <rust_collector> an old one?
57:00 <rust_collector> if you want a new one, I am sure Lemon can find one
57:12 <Ysjoelfir> an old one. :P
57:33 <Lemon> I think its a bit of both, mic and the tape
57:41 <Lemon> maybe mostly the mic
58:15 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon!
58:18 <rust_collector> i think they do have a special sound, but I do not think they were bad
58:23 <Lemon> yes !
58:25 <Ysjoelfir> organize me a Neumann CMV3 or a Telefunken ELA M301/1
58:32 <rust_collector> Lemon cake
59:38 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/183438992230?hash=item2ab5d0e366:g:wtAAAOSw1hJb4AK-
59:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - TELEFUNKEN/Neumann cmv3 Bottle Mic with Neumann m5 maagsapresistente | eBay
59:41 <Lemon> looks expensive !
00:33 <rust_collector> meh, you only say that because of the price
02:16 <Ysjoelfir> well.... thats to expensive, which is why I want you to find me a cheap one
02:24 <Ysjoelfir> like... 200$ is ok for me
02:38 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KaO2MP-9I4
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02:56 <Ysjoelfir> o.o
08:37 <Lemon> hmmm I found this, to make an adapter which basically let me turn on/off a power supply output https://www.ebay.fr/itm/253752891315?hash=item3b14d9d7b3:g:PKcAAOSw4apbSq9-
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08:51 <Lemon> I could put a switch between the two, insulate it and make it solid somehow, and bam
08:54 <Lemon> its not too big, rigid
09:00 <Ysjoelfir> thats not the microphone I want, Lemon! you need to try harder than that
09:01 <Lemon> what do you think Ysjoelfir ?
09:07 <Lemon> yeah well xd
09:12 <Lemon> I did check a few pages of ebay
09:22 <Lemon> even connectors are over your budget im afraid
17:19 <Lemon> I thought about a piece of 4mm tube, to hold them, and in between fit a switch of some sort
17:35 <rust_collector> you are just being more negative then EEVBot right now
17:41 <Lemon> that would be a cheap and effective way to have a way to turn off/on the output
27:50 <MrMobodies> Hello
27:58 <MrMobodies> I have a 240v large fan
28:11 <MrMobodies> seized up
28:53 <MrMobodies> when I turn the the fan blades enough times it becomes loose
29:03 <MrMobodies> and when I power it up it spins right up fine
29:17 <MrMobodies> I can turn it off for a couple of minutes and it'd be fine spinning back up
29:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/269/893/661.jpg
29:35 <MrMobodies> but when it is left for like ten minutes it becomes stiff and unable to spin
29:45 <MrMobodies> what do you think?
29:54 <MrMobodies> does it need re-oiling?
30:33 <rust_collector> at least a cleaning. then you have to see if it has bearings, or bushings, and if any of them are still there
31:17 <MrMobodies> that mean's I'll have to dismantle the whole thing
31:40 <MrMobodies> but before I do I want to buy stuff so it doesn't sit on my table
31:44 <MrMobodies> for a long time
32:11 <MrMobodies> shall I look oil for high voltage motors?
32:49 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301653612755?epid=529727408
32:52 <EEVBot> [Title] - 3-In-ONE ELECTRIC MOTOR OIL 3-In-1, 3 oz Drip Bottle | eBay
32:56 <MrMobodies> i can't seem to find any in England
33:02 <MrMobodies> I see other oils and stuff
34:31 <MrMobodies> I see multipurpose oil but nothing about electronic motors
35:04 <MrMobodies> I have two in the garage, a Silicone one that is toxic to aquatic life for long periods, which is a nono
35:34 <MrMobodies> and another one that is highly combustable
36:47 <MrMobodies> I am paranoid and I see this
36:49 <MrMobodies> Can you lubricate an electric motor?
36:49 <MrMobodies> Don't over lubricate your bearings. Over lubrication can cause the grease or oil to get into the winding
36:53 <rust_collector> no, use normal oil, or whatever, because you are lubing a bearing, not a motor
36:54 <MrMobodies> that's what I am afraid of
37:00 <MrMobodies> aaah
37:06 <MrMobodies> so I don't just spray it in there
37:16 <MrMobodies> I dismantle the motor and apply it to the back
37:19 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you make me want to start a mic collection
37:22 <MrMobodies> where the bearings are
37:29 <rust_collector> just a tiny drop on each bearing
37:49 <MrMobodies> okay find out how many bearings and 1 drop each
37:50 <Ysjoelfir> cool, Ampera :) We could make a colaboration, your mics with my scopes!
38:20 <MrMobodies> now after I apply the drops do I spin it by hand or leave it in there for a while?
38:29 <MrMobodies> or put i back?
38:40 <rust_collector> just spin it a bit. or see if it works
38:53 <MrMobodies> okay I'll arrange a day and I can use any oil
38:55 <MrMobodies> that's nice
39:02 <MrMobodies> thank you very much
39:36 <MrMobodies> I know what I need to do now, what to expect and paranoia gone
39:37 <rust_collector> pretty much. you have the 3in1 oil, or sewing machine oil, or pretty much anything, really
39:46 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/321348855763?hash=item4ad1e267d3:g:G3wAAMXQNo5TbIRi I like that style, as pins are on the sides it would be perfect
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40:52 <MrMobodies> ptse stuff https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224364048309?epid=1741021351
40:53 <rust_collector> MrMobodies it could be just worn out, it is not easy to say, from up here
40:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - 3-in-one 100ml 3-in-1 Multi-Purpose Oil Spray PTFE EASY TO USE SPRAY PTFE 100ml! | eBay
41:03 <MrMobodies> I'd like to give it a go
41:03 <Lemon> its hard to tell but it seems theres at least 5mm between pins
41:19 <MrMobodies> joke "until I see the wheels fall off"
41:39 <rust_collector> sure, you can use spray, if you want
41:44 <MrMobodies> it'd be interesting to open it up and see what's wrong with it
42:02 <MrMobodies> I'll look around the droplets though
42:10 <MrMobodies> I know 1 drop per bearing
42:19 <MrMobodies> thanks to you
42:46 <rust_collector> it could be jammed up from hair and stuff, or, the bearings can be worn away, or the fan itself can have moved on the shaft, and is rubbing on something
43:21 <MrMobodies> I'll see when I take it apart and take some pictures
43:28 <MrMobodies> I used it since 2015 as my bed fan
43:44 <MrMobodies> it use to be used for drying plaster at a building company before that
44:52 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pro-Breeze-Chrome-Speeds-Adjustable/dp/B07BR31FWK/
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45:04 <MrMobodies> they've gone in price, I remembere they were like £30 - £40
46:13 <MrMobodies> I have another but this one is now in my workshop and it would be good to get working if I can before the Summer
46:24 <MrMobodies> very handy to drown out the noise in my other house
47:29 <MrMobodies> well the other noises I was trying to drown out were just unpleasant than the noise of the fan itself
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39:22 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
39:34 <steve30> hi
50:05 <Ysjoelfir> wth.... looks like dave was bored A LOT this night?
50:20 * Ysjoelfir looks up to that Tweedle flood
52:38 <steve30> yup
55:27 * T3sl4 teas Ysjoelfir
56:13 <Ysjoelfir> uuuuuh, yes please!
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20:24 <Ysjoelfir> omfg, sarge became tekken! electrohead, what happened?
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30:13 <electrohead> I was changing up a few things
30:32 <electrohead> this and one other IRC network I had to revert some realnames and such
32:19 * T3sl4 noogies electrohead
36:59 <electrohead> hey T3sl4
39:03 * T3sl4 munches some hummus with carrot sticks
39:27 * electrohead snags some
39:53 * steve30 nibbles chocolate
55:59 * Ysjoelfir is waiting for T3sl4 's tea to arrive here
57:02 <T3sl4> i sent it yesterday, are you sure?
00:00 <Ysjoelfir> yes
00:39 <Ysjoelfir> oh well, I think I have to make my own than
02:20 * steve30 puts the heating on
08:10 * Ysjoelfir puts a cat on his lap inside his bedroll instead of using the heater
15:00 * Ysjoelfir considers adding some amaretto to his tea.
15:09 * Ysjoelfir thinks it is to early in the day for that
15:23 <steve30> amaretto sounds nice :p
15:31 <Ysjoelfir> it is
16:09 <steve30> i like amaretto, but alcohol doesn't do me any good
16:36 <Ysjoelfir> oh, why not? also, I would only put a bit in there, for the taste.
18:36 <steve30> much as i like alcohol, its bad for humans
19:13 <Ysjoelfir> that is true. I think its bad for almost everything
20:08 <Ysjoelfir> also I personally don't like it that much at all, I just enjoy the taste of various beverages from time to time. the alcohole taste itself is more ofputting to me than enjoyable.
20:36 <Ysjoelfir> which is probably why I love the cheap amaretto the most. the more expensive stuff has less of the sweet almond taste, but more of the alcohol taste
21:28 <steve30> i'm looking forward to my beer being ready.
21:40 <steve30> its probably about ready now, but its better the older it is
22:06 <Ysjoelfir> how did you make it? and did electrohead approve of it?
22:56 <steve30> I buy a kit which contains cans of wort and sachets of yeast
23:06 <T3sl4> it would be kind of nice to enjoy a nice strong stout more than one or two in a night, or to enjoy a whisky or whatever while still, yknow, actively enjoying it
23:49 <Ysjoelfir> yep
24:00 <Ysjoelfir> steve30, that sounds easy enough? :D
25:13 <steve30> it is relatively easy to make from kits. You just need to make sure everything is sterile and have patience while it brews
27:43 <Ysjoelfir> sounds doable.
28:03 <Ysjoelfir> though I always remember the horrors of my DIY wine project...
34:03 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, speaking of beverages.... https://www.upwork.com/jobs/Electronic-Engineer-who-able-create-timer-and-blueprint_~01aff6db433178a59d/
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35:26 <T3sl4> oh dear
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38:19 <Ysjoelfir> who wouldn't immediately propose for that?
40:43 <K> hello baguettes
40:54 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Breadroll
41:10 <T3sl4> hey krouton
41:46 <K> scopemobile is adequate.
43:03 <Ysjoelfir> oh, did you see the link?
43:25 <K> you mentioned, so i did pgup
43:45 <Ysjoelfir> :O
49:48 * T3sl4 pig ups Ysjoelfir
50:13 * Ysjoelfir just has a nice breadroll with pigs belly
50:59 <T3sl4> nonono!
51:01 <T3sl4> those are pig downs!
51:08 <Ysjoelfir> oh
51:19 <T3sl4> except when they roll over on their back but other than that
51:32 <Ysjoelfir> I should get some pork shoulder roast than
51:43 <T3sl4> or canadian bacon
51:54 <T3sl4> or loin
52:14 <Ysjoelfir> those are unobtainium things in germany :P
52:50 * steve30 feels like crap
54:23 * Ysjoelfir hugs the steve to make him feel better
54:59 * Ysjoelfir als offers his cat to cuddle, which makes him always feel better
55:22 <T3sl4> KITTY!
56:53 * steve30 collapses into kitty's paws
02:03 <Ysjoelfir> Walter would probably look at you with a "wtf hooman, y you touch me? but eh, its ok, you can stay for a few minutes"-face
17:01 <Lemon> morning frens
18:56 <steve30> according to irc, it was 3am when i had food, so i guess it would be reasonable to put something else on in the near future
20:17 <T3sl4> but it's only 3am now!
20:26 * T3sl4 hugs Lemon
22:02 <Lemon> :>
22:35 * steve30 wonders what food to have
22:45 <K> rhubarb
22:52 <K> ruhbarb?
23:09 <T3sl4> you'll rhu the day
26:37 <steve30> maybe i'll have chicken kiev#
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27:10 <T3sl4> how about curry kiev
27:51 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon!
27:59 <Ysjoelfir> I lemon'ed again :(
28:10 <Lemon> ha shit !
28:14 <Lemon> what you lemoned on ?
28:39 <Ysjoelfir> it has systron donner written on it
28:46 <Ysjoelfir> and the number 7003
29:00 <Ysjoelfir> looks pretty fancy if you ask me. https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/systron-donner-model-7003/1727554316-168-2152
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29:05 <Ysjoelfir> like, shitty, but fancy
30:12 <Lemon> whaaaaaaaa 20 euros ???
30:18 <Lemon> thats a steal !
30:31 <Lemon> it indeed looks fancy pantsy
30:53 <Ysjoelfir> well... its just some random.... 2000 count probably desktop multimeter.
31:02 <Ysjoelfir> but I love orange and that thing just looks..... somehow cool.
32:27 <Ysjoelfir> to bad that you just can't find shit about systron donner. I don't realy know why there is so little information about their stuff on the net
32:47 <Ysjoelfir> I probably should digitize my manual of my donner and upload that to some datasheet collections
34:47 <Lemon> yes I agree its super hard to find anything
35:04 <Lemon> and even 2000 counts, its useful when you need another dmm to measure something !
35:12 <Lemon> thats why I like having many dmms around
35:25 <Lemon> im a bit sad for the plague doctor dmm...
35:30 <Lemon> guy didnt want to send it, ofc
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44:44 <Lemon> shit, my probemaster order is shipped via USPS...
45:06 <Lemon> I took the slowest shipping method, usually I dont pay customs
45:14 <Lemon> but with usps you can be sure it will be the case :(
46:10 <K> lemon are you shipping them from usa ?
46:30 <Lemon> yes, sadly the kit I wanted wasnt avalaible on european websites
46:31 <K> > https://www.welectron.com/Probe-Master_1
46:33 <K> ah.
46:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Probe Master
46:37 <Lemon> yep
46:45 <Lemon> they dont have the retractable version
47:02 <Lemon> price wise, even with 37 usd of shipping it was the same or even a tad cheaper
47:16 <Lemon> well with USPS you dont have fees everytime so I'll just pray
47:33 <Lemon> I asked them to undervalue the order but they didnt answer, I guess they didnt want to, I can understand
47:52 <Lemon> the thing is, in france you pay a fee just for the guy to move his ass and open a case
48:07 <Lemon> and its around 20-25 euros, without the TVA itself
48:47 <Lemon> well, it is just some probes, so with some luck I'll be fine
49:15 <K> huh
51:37 <Lemon> but yeah I wouldnt be surprised to have 40-45 euros to pay
52:52 <K> dunno if it applies to the whole eu, but here we will need to pay VAT for everything from non-eu (was from 22eur), and customs for everything over 150 eur (was if over 22eur)
53:05 <K> starting from 1st of july
54:27 <Lemon> hmmm well its been a long time for me, so we will see
54:54 <Lemon> usually for small things under 4lbs theres nothing to pay
54:58 <Lemon> and its the case it seems
57:43 <Lemon> I already paid a lot for those probes, well, its relative because I took a lot of accessories
57:59 <Lemon> master set + micro spring loaded ones, it adds up quickly
58:08 <Lemon> I think it was 119 euros with shipping
58:39 <Halcyon> Hey guys
59:23 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon! I found a thing for you. seems to be frenchistanian, at least it has strange writings on it.
59:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay.de/itm/294183534577?mkevt=1&mkpid=0&emsid=e11021.m43.l1120&mkcid=7&ch=osgood&euid=079fa27af2e5457897bb90240bb72cc0&bu=43530944716&ut=RU&exe=98459&ext=232178&logid=nqt%3DAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAABAgAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAABAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAEA**%26nqc%3DAAAAAAAAAAAACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAABAgAAIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAAAABAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAEA**%26mdbreftime%3D1621500406203%26es%
59:27 <Ysjoelfir> 3D77%26ec%3D1&osub=-1~1&crd=20210520014929&segname=11021&sojTags=ch%3Dch%2Cbu%3Dbu%2Cut%3Dut%2Cnqt%3Dnqt%2Cnqc%3Dnqc%2Cmdbreftime%3Dmdbreftime%2Ces%3Des%2Cec%3Dec%2Cexe%3Dexe%2Cext%3Dext%2Cexe%3Dexe%2Cext%3Dext%2Cosub%3Dosub%2Ccrd%3Dcrd%2Csegname%3Dsegname%2Cchnl%3Dmkcid
59:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - ENERTEC SCHLUMBERGER 7060 MULTIMETER 6.1/2d # M888 | eBay
59:32 <Ysjoelfir> also, hi Halcyon
59:41 <Halcyon> :D
00:00 <Lemon> a solartron !
00:07 <Lemon> a beauty :>
00:12 <Ysjoelfir> (wtf is this ebay link...... https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/55264257/aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaaaaaa.jpg )
00:34 <T3sl4> morn Halcyon
00:43 <Ysjoelfir> and yes, I like Schlumbergers as well, lemon :)
01:03 <Lemon> buttons are a bit weird, but its a nice device I'd def add to the stack :P
01:17 <Ysjoelfir> go on, its all yours :)
02:02 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4
02:11 <Lemon> well sadly I dont have 200 euros x)
03:55 <K> uh oh
07:15 <K> too bad it does not say which variation it is
07:39 <Lemon> its a G, according to my pro eyes
07:44 <Lemon> you can see a small sticker at the back
07:45 <K> > https://www.davmar.org/Spec/Solartron7060-spec.pdf
07:49 <K> ah
07:56 <Lemon> it doesnt have an insane accuracy heh
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08:10 <Lemon> 26 ppm 24h
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11:53 * steve30 has chicken kiev
12:21 <steve30> also, i've put the heating on
13:23 <Halcyon> Aww I want kiev
14:16 * Ysjoelfir prefers chicken sankt petersburg
14:33 <Halcyon> What is that?
14:43 <Ysjoelfir> no idea
14:54 <Ysjoelfir> but its not in Kiev, but in Sankt Petersburg
15:11 <Halcyon> Hahah
15:13 <Halcyon> You dag
15:19 <Ysjoelfir> :P
18:36 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, just paid the Systron Donner. Curious how it us when I receive it. I somehow suspect that it just has one of those good old ICL76whatdoiknow ICs in there.
18:58 <Lemon> or big a dc offset !
18:59 <Lemon> xd
19:05 <Ysjoelfir> lol
19:07 <Lemon> I wish I knew where is it from
19:22 <Lemon> and mine its impossible to correct it, im at the maximum
19:29 <Lemon> I want to know where is it from, really
19:33 <Ysjoelfir> do you have a circuit diagram?
19:40 <Lemon> hehhh I think
20:03 <Ysjoelfir> then you should be able to trace it
20:03 <Lemon> yes
20:17 <Lemon> oof
20:23 <Ysjoelfir> can you scan that? I wonder how different it is to mine.
20:24 <Lemon> I can barely blink leds
21:00 <Ysjoelfir> thats not a problem, you just have to understand what is happening there. no need to "create" something (which is imho a bit harder than just understanding what is happening)
21:38 <Lemon> well I did take a look, but I have no clue, really
21:41 <Lemon> im uploading it :>
21:49 <Lemon> its a nice device, Id like to use it
21:55 <Lemon> but the offset is too big for me to trust it
22:04 <Lemon> I already need to recalibrate my topward supply
22:08 <Lemon> because I trusted it at first
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33:20 <Ysjoelfir> there is one thing I hate about my Tek 502A
34:32 <Ysjoelfir> And no, it was not me who did that. https://drive.google.com/file/d/15vN0FpNX5aePLZb3Sgg_06dB2E3wn3tI/view?usp=sharing
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37:08 <Lemon> ayeeeee
37:13 <Lemon> gotta fix this !
38:01 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. Need to find a IEC socket that fits that gaping hole and connect it right. or maybe make an adapter plate that covers the hole and fits a socket
38:36 <Lemon> https://easyupload.io/wce3dn
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38:49 <Lemon> heres the manual, for the donner
40:34 <Ysjoelfir> oh, does yours have nixie displays?
41:42 <Lemon> no, regular panaplex
42:25 <Ysjoelfir> ah yes, I found it. was irritated by the text on page.. 70 iirc
45:02 <Ysjoelfir> ok, they seem to be fundamentally different. to bad
45:08 * Ysjoelfir offers warm rain in exchange for warm sunshine
47:13 <Halcyon> You have fabric out?
47:13 <Halcyon> Hey Watcher
47:13 <Halcyon> Long time no speak
47:35 <Ysjoelfir> compare your (page 77) block diagram to my block diagram https://drive.google.com/file/d/16UCJzshsL1fB7LD5R3PYkOyuzW_rVHIs/view?usp=sharing
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48:45 <Watcher> yea my laptop is by the repairmen the past 2 weeks now i use some old project pc.
49:01 <Watcher> i hope that i get a call next week
50:09 <K> blasphemy
50:15 <K> (tek scope)
50:17 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
50:19 <Ysjoelfir> oh
50:22 <Ysjoelfir> yes as well!
51:23 <Lemon> ha yes
51:26 <Lemon> it does look different
55:47 <rust_collector> mornings
55:54 <Ysjoelfir> mornings rusty
55:56 <Lemon> hello rusty
56:17 <K> krussstehh
56:21 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir btw you should get one of those magic tablet thingie I bought, its really good ! you cant erase small parts, only all at once, but it works super well for the price :>
57:01 <rust_collector> wth are you talking about Lemon ?
57:35 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B07CYZRS12/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
57:36 <EEVBot> [Title] -
57:37 <Lemon> this thingie
57:50 <Lemon> its really surprising, it really feels like a piece of paper lol
58:06 <Lemon> its not a broad line, it depends on the pressure etc
58:10 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, thought about that a few times already, for taking quick notes that aren't critical
59:51 <Lemon> yeah there was a promo on mine at 7 euros, hard to beat
59:56 <Lemon> it even comes with two batteries lol
00:41 <Ysjoelfir> i did not expect that to need batteries
01:39 <rust_collector> I guess they will last for some time in that
01:40 <Lemon> it uses a 2016
01:48 <Lemon> yes I think so
01:51 <Lemon> surely years
02:08 <Lemon> it only uses it when you erase the screen, I guess it gives an impulsion
02:52 <Ysjoelfir> ah, like a degaussing basically
03:51 <Lemon> its quite interesting
03:58 <Lemon> I never thought it'd be that precise
04:07 <Lemon> my mother want one, as expected lol
04:23 <rust_collector> did you measure it? do you get many zeros?
07:00 <Lemon> every possible zeroes
07:04 <Lemon> +1
07:08 <rust_collector> woohoo!
07:20 <rust_collector> then I support getting one for your mom
07:54 <rust_collector> she probably needs one with all the features.
09:28 <Lemon> waddup peeps
09:45 <Lemon> yeah like the same as me lol
09:50 <Lemon> another subject
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10:09 <rust_collector> no no, we will talk a bit about your mom
10:11 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon!
10:11 <Lemon> im curious, if I can make a cheapo version of a lm399 based ref with a lt1001, but with those cheap zener I bought and cheapo opamps
10:18 <Ysjoelfir> I found fascinating devices for your pleasure
10:20 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
10:23 <Lemon> :OO
10:26 <Lemon> tl418 ? I forgot
10:30 <Lemon> you bought some aswell
10:33 <rust_collector> 431
10:39 <Lemon> yes
10:48 * T3sl4 candies Lemon
10:48 <rust_collector> well, I guess you can get something similar
10:49 <Lemon> im curious, what is possible to achieve
10:50 <Lemon> I also wanted to ask your opinion about a device :>
10:58 <Halcyon> Mmmm candied froots
11:02 <Lemon> I have some good yageo resistors to go with it
11:10 <rust_collector> is the 399 very expensive?
11:13 <Lemon> nothing fancy but they are nice, 25ppm/C 0.1%
11:25 <T3sl4> you're a candied fruit
11:26 <Lemon> hmmm compared to those yes, like 10 euros a pop ?
11:32 <Halcyon> Aww :)
11:34 <rust_collector> ok
11:35 <Halcyon> Affection :P
11:47 Quit: modrobert ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
11:54 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/2x-nordmende-elektronischer-schalter-es-3309/1730385763-168-4506
11:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
12:10 <T3sl4> 431 is noisy, like 100uV noisy
12:18 <T3sl4> what would be the point?
12:25 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, IF you find out what that is (DONT GOOGLE IT!) I get those and you get one. :P
12:28 <steve30> eevbot seems to like error pages
12:29 <EEVBot> steve30: nega-tory, ghost rider!
12:31 * Ampera sneezes at Halcyon 
12:36 <Ysjoelfir> I agree, steve
13:01 <Lemon> to see how accurate it can be, how stable :>
13:03 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera :)
13:09 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
13:09 <Lemon> hello Ampera !
13:20 <Halcyon> I'm going OK. How are you?
13:21 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
13:27 <Ampera> Hi Lemon how are you doing
13:32 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm alright, just woke up
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13:34 <Ampera> and I also have a question
13:37 <Halcyon> Oh?
13:38 <Lemon> im ok thanks :>
13:49 <Lemon> wow thats a really good question !
13:54 <steve30> i'm tired
13:57 <Ampera> do you happen to have, or know anyone who has, a load of 8GB DDR3 RDIMMs hanging around?
14:07 <Lemon> it looks like something to calibrate a scope, maybe
14:15 <Halcyon> I might have, I'd have to check, but I can't right now. Can I get back to you?
14:17 <Ampera> I kinda want to give my server more memory, but ebay's prices are insane
14:19 <Ampera> sure
14:22 <Halcyon> Otherwise I can ask a guy at work
14:27 <Lemon> but I see frequencies only up to 50Khz on it
14:29 <Ysjoelfir> scope is the right direction, but not for calibration
14:31 <Lemon> which isnt high
14:34 <Ysjoelfir> I have some RDIMM, but I am not sure if its DDR3
14:43 <Ysjoelfir> let me check
14:50 <Ampera> I'm sure someone in this world is sitting on piles of the stuff, so I just need to figure out who :P
14:58 <Ampera> I need at least 16 sticks though
15:03 <Lemon> some sort of amplifier ?
15:27 <Ysjoelfir> those are pretty useless things nowadays for that exact reason (bandwidth). well, and because most scopes have that integrated anyways.
15:39 <Ysjoelfir> nope, though they probably have an amplifier built into it
15:44 <Lemon> I just have regular ddr3 sticks, some kingston gaming shit
16:25 * steve30 collapses on Halcyon 
16:39 <Halcyon> You lump :P
16:49 <rust_collector> *sploingff*
16:50 * Ampera pets the steve30 
16:57 * Ampera pets the rust_collector 
17:04 <Lemon> hmmmm
17:08 * rust_collector is a pet
17:28 <Lemon> is it written V/cm ?
17:35 <Lemon> on top of a rotary encoder
17:44 <Ysjoelfir> yep
17:54 <Lemon> funny, I asked my mother for fun and she said its to calibrate scopes :>
18:08 <Lemon> V/cm ok
18:11 <Lemon> never head of that
18:46 <Lemon> is it to generate a square wave, to calibrate probes ?
18:52 <Ysjoelfir> nope
19:04 <Lemon> damn, could've been !
19:30 <Ysjoelfir> and zou have certainly seen V per cm. but you probably took that for granted and never thought about it
20:15 <Ysjoelfir> nowadays one would say "volts per div", as modern scopes arenät necessarily divided into centimeter graticules anymore.
20:44 <Lemon> if I want to make something that outputs lets say 5v, with an input of 3 to 4.2v (a battery), can I do that with a lm317 and an opamp ?
20:55 <Lemon> I want it to stay at 5v no matter what
21:09 <rust_collector> no
21:43 <Lemon> thats what I was thinking ok !
21:51 <Lemon> what do I need for that ?
22:06 <rust_collector> the 317 will just regulate "down" it can not boost anything
22:39 <Lemon> is it a time base ? like those plug-in modules in old tek mainframes ?
22:54 <Ysjoelfir> nope....-ish
23:02 <Lemon> xd hmmmmmmmrmrmmfmmgmgg
23:06 <Lemon> ok lets say its over the output then
23:13 <Lemon> I tried a little circuit with the 317
23:14 <Lemon> you said its integrated to scopes nowadays (80's scopes too ?)
23:22 <Lemon> like my 2245a
23:30 <Lemon> but if I move the input by a few mv, output also change
23:32 <Ysjoelfir> that one certainly has it.
23:46 <hsn> Hey guys. . quick question .. about these 2.54mm pitch board to board connectors ..
23:52 <rust_collector> how much input and output did you have there?
24:06 * Ampera starts a bonfire in the middle of the channel floor
24:09 <Lemon> a triggering thingie ? man thats hard !
24:17 <Lemon> my knowledge of old scopes is close to none
24:19 <hsn> They come somtimes with long pins .. can i buy the black plastic thingy and place it on the long pins?
24:20 <rust_collector> Ampera you are not on freenode now
25:13 <Ampera> you're right
25:17 * Ampera charges admission for the fire
25:19 <Lemon> ho I forgot but it was with my lab supply, so 0-10V in input, and I tried to have less in the output but it doesnt matter
25:29 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, only the plascit thingy? i never saw that
25:51 <Lemon> I want something that will output a set voltage, and wont change if the input drops a bit (still over the output, ofc)
25:54 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: then how do u control the height of the board for example
25:55 <rust_collector> you need I think 2-3 volts more than the output, to make sure
25:58 <Lemon> like two batteries, for 5v output
26:06 <Lemon> yeah I also tried
26:21 <Ysjoelfir> the ones I got for that purpose already came with two thingies
26:27 <hsn> I mean .. u have skme wierd height bcz of some components .. u need to stack these two boards ..
26:33 <Lemon> if I have 8v input, and I want 5v input
26:42 <Lemon> if it drops to 7.5 I still want 5v, not 4.5
26:54 <Lemon> its an example, as you said it might need more difference
27:02 <Lemon> damn thats really hard
27:08 <Lemon> im running out of ideas
27:11 <hsn> So these two plastic thingies .. one of them is movable .. or its hard to move it?
27:24 <Ysjoelfir> want me to solve, Lemon`?
27:26 <Lemon> it looks like something you'd plug with a old scope that lacks what is nowadays built in them
27:29 <Ysjoelfir> its movable hsn
27:39 <Ysjoelfir> exactlz that Lemon. but what is it?
27:55 <rust_collector> I think it should work on 7.5 at least with little load.
27:56 <Lemon> well you have a time base, andddddd
28:00 <Lemon> I forgot the name
28:02 <Lemon> im sure its that
28:39 <Lemon> but will it keep the 5v output no matter the input variation ?
28:42 <Lemon> that is my main question
28:56 <Lemon> because I tried with a bigger offset (5-6v over the output) and it wasnt the case
29:02 <Lemon> I surely did something wrong
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29:18 <rust_collector> if it looks at the output, and adjusts according to that, I guess it would
29:29 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, nope. should I solve?^^
29:36 <Lemon> yeah go on x)
29:36 <rust_collector> or it could be a crappy 317. who knows?
29:43 <Ysjoelfir> its a thingemabob!
30:00 <Ysjoelfir> it adds a second input to a single channel scope
30:26 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, lemon was to slow to look at his phone I guess. I have a BOX that says its 32 sticks of hynix DDR3 RDimm, but in there is sadly only 24 Sticks of DDR2 FBDImm and 4x Hynix RDimm DDR3 4GB. sorry
30:38 <Lemon> hmmmm interesting ! but hmm
30:52 <Lemon> how does it works, like you see a second trace on your mono channel scope ?
30:59 <Ampera> No problem, thanks for checking
31:02 <Ysjoelfir> its a chopper amplifier.
31:10 <Lemon> or is it one/the other, not both at the same time ?
31:24 <Lemon> ha yes sorry, its in silent mode
31:40 <Ysjoelfir> its both at the same time, but "a bit of trace 1, a bit of trace 2, a bit of 1, a bit of 2,....."
31:42 * Ampera screams at Lemon in silent mode
31:56 <Lemon> hooo ok I see !
32:00 * Halcyon punches Ampera in the box
32:07 <Lemon> quite interesting :> strangely enough, it doesnt look "too" old
32:13 <Lemon> even if its prolly 50+ y/o, right ?
32:21 <Ysjoelfir> it basically jumps between the two signals, so you get a trace like -_-_-_-_
32:31 * Ampera give Halcyon a bagel with LOX
32:54 <Halcyon> Tangy
33:06 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: what r these double black plastic things called
33:24 <hsn> I cant easily find them .. like with keyword
33:33 <Ysjoelfir> well, you had single channel scopes for a long time, even in the late 90s my dad bought.... build a new single channel scope
33:55 <Ysjoelfir> hsn.. erm.... good question, I rarely use them and I have a few on stock
34:11 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
34:13 <Ampera> how is your bird
34:23 <Halcyon> Stupid cat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdMCW7O_qo
34:24 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Stray Cat Hopped Into Man's Van and Sneezed On Him
35:03 <hsn> Thanks Ysjoelfir
35:09 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
35:30 <Lemon> ok ! interesting :>
35:46 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir ho btw, have you done anything with betty's remotes that mamalala gave us ?
35:47 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://youtu.be/9z9s0lXYnac?t=73
35:48 <Lemon> thingemabob, interesting too xD
35:52 <Lemon> I dug one recently, they look neat
36:06 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, but don't confuse that one with a thingemaboob
36:21 <rust_collector> bettys remotes sounds dirty
36:22 <Halcyon> Hehe I love Mr. Max
36:30 Quit: Stiff ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
36:38 <Ampera> his existential pain and screaming is music to my ears
36:45 <Lemon> rust_colletor he called the custom firmware "betty boop" lol
36:48 <Lemon> no worries :>
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37:01 <Lemon> so, now let me show you the device im looking at !
37:05 Quit: AvE ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
37:09 <Lemon> it's ofc something I have no use of, but shit, I kinda want it
37:18 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/294160428320?hash=item447d53ed20:g:CUoAAOSwqKBgY4vR
37:20 <EEVBot> [Title] - BS407 Precision Micro Ohmmeter | Aim-TTi | eBay
37:56 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, I tried a bit, but I didn't turn out with anything usefull. I gave them away to various people who wanted to give it a try as well.
37:57 <Lemon> lowest range, 2mR, with 1uR of resolution, is given for 0.1% + 0.4% fs
37:58 <Halcyon> I had to go outside to see how cold it was
38:04 <Lemon> rust_collector https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41qHXYCd%2BjL._AC_.jpg
38:10 <Halcyon> Weather says it "feels like -6.2 degrees"
38:12 <Ysjoelfir> thats cute
38:16 <Halcyon> It's not wrong
38:17 <Lemon> and I think thurbly thandar makes good things, right ?
38:20 <Lemon> ok I see ! yes I dont know what to use them for, anyway
38:26 <Halcyon> Actual temp is 2.1 C
38:46 <Lemon> yeah Halcyon its damn cold here too
38:49 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, that shounds beautiful, send some over. I exchange that for this shitty "to cold for a shirt, to warm for a pullover" shit
38:54 <rust_collector> heh.
39:04 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, TTI makes decent stuff, yes
39:04 <Halcyon> I hate winter
39:24 <Ysjoelfir> though one thing I would do with this one the moment I get it is replace this LCD with something nice. that looks awfull
39:25 <Lemon> its still being sold new at 800-900 euros
39:35 <Lemon> yeah lol thats true
39:42 <Lemon> I want to do that on my keithley 175
39:54 <Ysjoelfir> my TTI PSU has such a nice seven segment LED display
40:04 <Lemon> long story short, the guy offered me 190 euros for it, so 210 shipped
40:14 <Lemon> its brand new, with every accessories etc
40:24 <rust_collector> remote curtains, and cat flap
41:05 <Ysjoelfir> speaking of PSUs... I have another interesting thing to show you
41:06 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/solatron-labornetzteil-type-as-1164-industrie-2x30v-1a/1751387608-168-4896
41:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
41:07 * T3sl4 boops Ampera on the snoot
41:23 <Lemon> yeah saw it, on the thingiething page
41:38 <Lemon> lovely thing :>
41:41 <Lemon> so many knobs !
42:01 * Ampera poops on T3sl4's snoot
42:07 <T3sl4> \o/
42:10 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. I assume it has pretty nice pots, as they completely rely on them for the voltage.
42:29 <Ysjoelfir> "usually" you had at least a way to switch the ampmeters to tell you the voltage, but nope, not on this one
42:40 <Lemon> heh
42:49 <Lemon> one day I will invest in things like this https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/tektronix-laborwagen-osziwagen-type-202-1/1766691512-168-4449?simcid=153c7a48-01e0-4187-9a11-7bf052f08a79
42:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
42:59 <Lemon> and make myself a proper lab
43:14 <Lemon> im tired of having everything stacked, some are hard to reach
43:16 <Ysjoelfir> hands off, thats mine
43:17 <Ampera> What is the mask situation like in your state, T3sl4?
43:23 <Lemon> haha
43:24 <Ysjoelfir> I already requested that scopemobil
43:29 <Lemon> really ? :P
43:32 <Ysjoelfir> yep
43:34 <T3sl4> follows CDC
43:38 <Lemon> no worries, im too far x)
43:41 <Lemon> really nice :P
43:44 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/Dremel-stationnaire-serre-joint-porte-outil-26152500JA/dp/B000QG79ZW/ref=pd_di_tdp_2/258-0739255-0076462?pd_rd_w=2ryXV&pf_rd_p=a50b11b9-1cc1-46aa-9814-5300541c59a9&pf_rd_r=ECFRXVPQ0ATBK6CA6PW3&pd_rd_r=01fe68dd-db9e-4e77-8fdf-85e363a149e4&pd_rd_wg=y2Wmq&pd_rd_i=B000QG79ZW&psc=1
43:45 <Ysjoelfir> gonna pick it up in the next days I hope
43:46 <Ampera> neat
43:58 <Lemon> im tempted to get something like that, im tired of shitty "helping hands" I have
44:00 <Lemon> hahaha superb, its a nice deal !
44:05 <T3sl4> got groceries yesterday, was about half masks
44:08 <Lemon> with that old tek logo, sex on a stick !
44:09 <Lemon> I got like 3 or 4 models and all are crap, not stable enough
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44:33 <Lemon> anybody got experience with simimlar products ?
44:45 <rust_collector> yep
44:52 <Ampera> When I went yesterday most people still had masks
44:56 <Ampera> (in a small-ish walmart)
45:02 <Ampera> 4-5 people I noticed went without
45:06 <Lemon> also, between two devices, one 4.5 digits ( 19.999 full scale) and other 3.5 (1.999)
45:24 <Lemon> if one is given at 0.05%, and other at 0.5%
45:26 <T3sl4> thats good
45:35 <Lemon> it means they are as accurate, right ?
45:50 <Lemon> I will use it mostly to hold pcb's
45:51 <Lemon> I mean, one got more resolution
45:56 <Lemon> but if I want to measure 10uR
45:58 <Ampera> Some places also still require masks, or have particularly unclear signage that means I wore a mask anyways because it wasn't wrong no matter what
46:02 <Lemon> both will have the same accuracy ?
46:25 <T3sl4> you can always wear a mask
46:27 <Ampera> it was strangely exciting not wearing a mask in Walmart. I hadn't done that in over a year.
46:34 <Ampera> I don't know why people keep saying that
46:43 <Ampera> like as if suddenly wearing a mask has become illegal
46:54 <Ampera> people (though far less) did that before COVID
47:11 <T3sl4> because there's an entire subculture of this country that insists it is illegal within their social sphere?
47:22 <Ampera> if you say so
48:03 <T3sl4> there's an awful lot of obvious things that, in the last five years, we discovered are anything but for granted among about 40% of the population
48:12 <Ampera> Conspiracy theories are fun until people are serious about them.
48:49 <T3sl4> it's too easy to forget they have real consequences
48:52 <rust_collector> conspiracy theories do not really exist
48:57 <Ysjoelfir> no. one has an accuracy of .5 and one of .05%? :)
49:01 <T3sl4> that's why it's a theory
49:10 <T3sl4> as soon as it becomes real they don't care, there's no secret mystery there
49:22 <Lemon> but, 0.05% of 19.999 is 10uR, right ?
49:27 <Ampera> Oh sure, everyone thinks their own conspiracies have merit to them, but when it involves alienating almost half the nation, I'll pass.
49:30 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP3s0E0tXrk
49:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Mice plague worsens in New South Wales
49:32 <Halcyon> Stupid mice
49:37 <T3sl4> politicians doing a pedo club in a pizzeria basement? count them in
49:44 <Ysjoelfir> roughly, yes
49:46 <T3sl4> actual politicians documented diddling kids? yawn
49:54 <Lemon> and 0.5% of 1.999 is also 10uR ?
50:10 <steve30> I was watching some Qanon people talk about Q stuff to some policemen the other week. I felt sorry for the policemen :).
50:17 <Ampera> That's on both sides of the argument.
50:19 <Ysjoelfir> yes
50:21 <T3sl4> Ampera, is that another dig at me and my opionions?
50:24 <Lemon> so technicallllyyyyyy
50:26 <Lemon> qanon people ?
50:29 <steve30> aww
50:30 <Lemon> what are those
50:33 <Halcyon> I love this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgvm3sxPa6E
50:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Fancy Pants Stew
50:36 <steve30> you need more cats :p
50:38 <Lemon> both will have the same accuracy while measuring 10uR ?
50:47 * T3sl4 sticks one under Halcyon's shirt
50:47 <Ampera> Politicians don't get punished because they diddled or abused anyone. They get caught because they become unpopular.
50:48 <T3sl4> Lemon: our right wing fringe party
50:49 <Lemon> the same error, that is
50:52 <Ampera> Cuomo is a great example of that
50:58 <Halcyon> Scratchy
50:59 <Lemon> I see
51:00 <T3sl4> true dat
51:06 <Ampera> nobody in the state cares that he touched or abused anyone, they just don't like him anymore.
51:09 <Ysjoelfir> no :D both will have the same variation of +- 10uR at full scale
51:27 <Lemon> hmmmmmm
51:43 <steve30> Lemon, I casually refer to it as the Donald Trump Fan Club. But they beleive those paedophillia things that T3sl4 just mentioned.
51:47 <Ampera> Lemon, not really. It's an internet meme people took seriously. They're like antifa, people love to decry them as being more than they actually are.
51:55 <Ampera> Dipshits are dipshits, affiliations aren't required.
52:10 <T3sl4> ah yes, "both sides"
52:22 <Lemon> so if I want to measure 10uR
52:26 <T3sl4> "antifa is literally fascists"
52:36 <Lemon> how to calculate the -+ error ?
52:42 <Lemon> I mean, possible readout
52:48 <Lemon> I have an unpopular opinion about antifa's amongst my friends
52:51 <Ampera> Antifa is an amorphous collective. They have no defined structure, leadership, or ideals.
53:02 <T3sl4> dyk i'm antifa?
53:04 <Ampera> The same is true for qanon.
53:08 <T3sl4> i don't like fascists
53:12 <T3sl4> ergo i'm antifa
53:24 <T3sl4> it's not really anything more special than that
53:32 <Ysjoelfir> 10uR +- 10uR*0.5 or 0.05%
53:35 <T3sl4> how you wish to express that anti-ness is up to you
53:54 <Ampera> That's the funny thing about terms like antifa, people define it in their own terms, and then get pissed when other people treat it as greater or less than how they define it.
54:06 <Lemon> for me, violence against violence isnt an answer, call me too gentle maybe, but I met a few antifa, they were dressed the same as skinheads, and wants to "destroy skinheads" and ok, I can understand that fighting skinheads is with a good will, but that fixes nothing, in the end thats being like them
54:12 <steve30> Halcyon, do you have Qs over in Australia? Despite the fact that Trump has no jurisdiction here, its actually become quite popular in Europe
54:15 <T3sl4> Ampera: not quite. qanon has cult personalities and followings, it's more structured, as authoritarians are wont to do
54:18 <Ampera> It gets really fun when people try to prescribe terms with actual historical context to people as a descriptor.
54:21 <Lemon> so at the end, it doesnt really matter which one you chose, as there is that 10uR error on top of your measurement ?
54:23 <Halcyon> Do we have what?
54:28 <Lemon> one will be better for relative measurements
55:14 <T3sl4> the root of the qanon thing specifically, is some guy posting anonymously on 4chan, nostrodamus style gibberish, and yes people actually read into that shit and twist it further into whatever conspiracy theories they want
55:20 <Lemon> heh you know what, its not reasonnable anyway
55:23 <T3sl4> it's very organic and distributed at that level
55:28 * T3sl4 sips a tea
55:35 <Lemon> theres probably things that will serve me more than a micro-ohmmeter
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55:50 <T3sl4> so, to explain better: qanon is a conspiracy theory following of a 4chan poster
55:57 <Ampera> If you've known 4chan for any amount of time, you know people there are very good at playing global scale pranks that get really serious really fast
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56:31 <Halcyon> Yeh I have no idea what you guys are talking about
56:38 <Ampera> Halcyon, lucky
57:05 <T3sl4> the same group that finds interest in that, also has strong interests in antivax, pedo conspiracy (mind, the fake kind, they very specifically do not care about real conspiracies), and nationalist, christian and white supremacy topics
57:10 <Lemon> im highly tempted by a long needlenose plier, I have a knipex one but not as thin as I want it to be
57:22 <Lemon> and sometimes I really regret not having one
57:24 <T3sl4> so, it's a big messy right wing collection of wonk
57:24 <Ampera> aka everyone I don't like
57:56 <T3sl4> the politicians see this mess, and pick up on threads of it to lead people around. trump doesn't give a shit about any of the things he says, he just knows that people respond to it
58:05 <Ampera> It's one of the great failings of the internet of a whole, the inability to adequately judge scale, and the tendency to insert one's own biases where possible
58:08 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B002UU3R7Q/ref=ewc_pr_img_3?smid=A1X6FK5RDHNB96&psc=1
58:08 <T3sl4> a few well chosen words of crazy, and he's got a national following
58:10 <EEVBot> [Title] -
58:11 <Lemon> this one tempt me
58:11 * rust_collector is going to do greenhouse stuff. have funners
58:29 <T3sl4> be careful around the mandrake o/
58:34 <Lemon> it looks perfect for when you want to unplug those tiny ass cables from a device
58:35 * T3sl4 pinches Lemon's nose
58:42 <Lemon> heh
58:45 <Lemon> :(
58:51 <steve30> Halcyon, https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/QAnon
58:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - QAnon - RationalWiki
59:34 <Lemon> im tired of shitty tools, so this month as I got some hobby cash, I decided to get some proper ones
59:43 <T3sl4> so, you get personalities, cult leaders, whatever, real people, picking up and shaping those narratives that bubble up among the subculture, and taking and representing themselves as it
59:47 <Ampera> The thing is these people have always existed. The internet as it operates today allows people to drastically misjudge their size and impact.
59:52 <Lemon> that knipex stripper I found on lbc is heaven
59:59 <T3sl4> ^
00:12 <Lemon> you need to adjust it right, but you can easily strip wrapping wire with it, no problem
00:22 <T3sl4> before 5 years ago, i figured that population was more like 2-10%, mostly sociopaths
00:39 <T3sl4> turns out it's more like 40%, and the defining characteristic is they're authoritarian
00:51 <Ampera> What I am not fond of is simply picking a number, and then dehumanizing those people
01:04 <Halcyon> I'm sure we have some nutbags here that follow that crap, but it's certainly not significant
01:07 <Ampera> It's distinctively authoritarian and discriminatory tactics.
01:14 <Ampera> Halcyon, because it's not that significant here either.
01:20 <Halcyon> Hell, we even have soverign citizens here, but in very few numbers
01:32 <Ampera> It, just like qanon, is a conspiracy in its own right.
01:40 <T3sl4> (i'm not just using words here, there are questionnaires which give startlingly good test results for these traits -- for sociological polling that means >50% accuracy)
02:03 <T3sl4> Ampera: please stop with the "dehumanizing tactics" bullshit
02:13 <Ampera> No, I don't think I will.
03:56 <T3sl4> you care an awful lot about dehumanization for being a creature that is barely human as is
04:12 <T3sl4> you type yourself as depressed, queer, etc., yet you don't find that dehumanizing
04:17 <T3sl4> or maybe you do, and that's why you do it, i don't know
04:47 <Ampera> So you're saying gay people with depression aren't human?
04:58 <Ampera> Never knew you were such a homophobe.
05:15 <Halcyon> T3sl4? A homophobe? He's the gayest straight guy I know.
05:18 <K> whoa whoa
05:24 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's funny how that works.
05:28 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, I thought I was that? :(
05:38 <Ampera> It's almost a trope the greatest homophobes are often gay themselves.
05:52 <Halcyon> Nah, Ysjoelfir, you don't respond to my advances :P
05:57 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, no you're a homophone, you're pretty monotone
06:01 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir anyway
06:20 <Halcyon> I reckon T3sl4 and a bottle of vodka will induce interesting results :P
06:26 <Ysjoelfir> argh, three times mentioned in a row, go away you people, thats to much atention for me!
06:32 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir!
06:35 * Halcyon licks Ysjoelfir 
06:40 <T3sl4> oh dear
06:42 <Ampera> Halcyon, political uncles and hard liquor often go well together.
06:48 <T3sl4> you'll send Ysjoelfir over the edge
07:01 <Lemon> all I can say
07:14 <steve30> Halcyon, on the subject of gayness, i'm intending to go to some gay pride events this year
07:18 <Lemon> is I cant wait to get my fluke 27/FM and my probemaster kits :>
07:27 <Ampera> haha probemaster
07:28 <Halcyon> Yeh but steve30, you're gay :P
07:34 <T3sl4> that sounds like a gay old time
07:36 <Ampera> Halcyon, is the probemaster general at this point
07:42 <Halcyon> I was actually having this discussion with a straight guy at work today...
07:44 * T3sl4 shows Halcyon a gaytime
08:04 <Halcyon> When I was at school and in my teens/early 20's... being gay was like being part of the exclusive "cool group"
08:13 <Halcyon> Now, no one gives a fuck and I'm like everyone else
08:17 <Ampera> good
08:27 <Halcyon> I liked being special
08:29 <Halcyon> It felt good
08:33 <Ampera> don't worry, you still are
08:34 <Ampera> just not for being gay
08:38 <Halcyon> :P
08:48 <Halcyon> Says the person who sneezes on people as a greeting
08:54 <Ampera> That's the one thing that makes me the most nervous about trying to be who I am, people treating me different
08:54 <T3sl4> stupid cat
08:56 <Halcyon> I'm pretty sure that's called "Downs Syndrome"
09:22 <Ampera> and I think that's why I don't like things like pride events. The point is to express differences
09:29 <Halcyon> Ampera, I was the opposite, I embraced being different. My fear was growing up like everyone else and being grey
09:50 <Halcyon> I word my nickname of "nerd" as school as a badge and my friends stuck up for me in that respect.
09:54 <Halcyon> *wore
09:58 <Halcyon> *at
10:07 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
10:13 <Ampera> There's a difference between being unique and being outcast.
10:21 <Halcyon> I was both
10:33 <Halcyon> I was the kid in primary school that had his own video camera
10:42 <Halcyon> I was the kid in high school that brought a laptop to school
10:52 <Ampera> Indeed, it is a matter of perspective, but in school you're forced to be there
10:58 <Ampera> that isn't the case in the real world pretty much anywhere
11:01 <Halcyon> Only up until Year 10
11:20 <Ampera> If all I happened to be was gay, I would have no problems though.
11:33 <Ampera> Simply because I do not believe homosexuality to be anything special
11:46 <Halcyon> I still do
11:59 <Ampera> The concept occurred to me when I was very young, and I never thought it to be any different than a heterosexual relationship
11:59 <Halcyon> But it depends on which way you look at it, some hate it, many love it
12:26 <Ampera> I neither hate nor love homosexuality in the same way I neither hate or love being German
12:29 <Ampera> it's just a thing
12:54 <Halcyon> *shrug*
13:06 <Halcyon> I just do my thing
13:07 <Ampera> For me, however, and as you know, it's much more than being gay
13:07 <K> defective!
13:14 <Ampera> which is why I think I don't really care much
13:22 <Halcyon> You shouldn't care Ampera
13:24 <Ampera> because I have a far greater problem to deal with
13:44 <Halcyon> What makes your minority more special than mine?
13:49 <Ampera> Nothing
14:01 <Halcyon> Well quit your bitching then
14:08 <Ampera> It's not about being in a minority
14:11 <Ampera> everyone is in a minority
14:37 <Halcyon> Depends which way you look at it
14:47 <Halcyon> People with higher than average intelligence is a minority
15:11 <K> stop calling ppl names!
15:30 * Halcyon pokes K
15:41 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's hard to quantify that, especially as average != median
15:59 <Halcyon> Surely K you can associate with some of this? You would live in one of the most homophobic places in the world?
16:06 <K> do i?
16:13 <Ampera> There are people with a poor upbringing and a poor education who are some of the smartest people to ever live out of sheer necessity.
16:19 <Ampera> He does?
16:21 <Halcyon> Isn't it frowned upon in relgion etc...
16:25 <Halcyon> Religion
16:29 <K> o_O
16:37 <Ampera> afaik the baltic states are pretty chill
16:55 <Halcyon> Oh wait, I'm thinking of hsn
16:57 <Halcyon> All these letters :P
17:12 <Halcyon> Disregard
17:25 <Ampera> Are you calling K a homophone?
17:32 <Ampera> yes I did just make that joke twice
17:33 <Halcyon> No, I'm calling him pretty
17:35 <T3sl4> no, that's a Quay
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18:58 <steve30> Halcyon, did australia have any gay prides last year?
18:59 <Halcyon> Ew, he is old
19:13 <Halcyon> steve30, yeh we had Mardi Gras in Sydney and Melbourne
19:14 <T3sl4> he also has 20 billion dollars more than you :P
19:18 <Halcyon> I think Perth do their own thing as well?
19:37 <Halcyon> I still wouldn't sleep with him for the money
19:52 <steve30> They were all cancelled here
19:53 <Halcyon> Well... not on an on-going basis anyway
19:56 * BillGates sobs
20:15 <Halcyon> steve30, COVID was never really a thing here
20:29 <Ampera> Halcyon, you will never know the pain!
20:31 <Halcyon> In the last 6 months or so, everything is back on as normal, including concerts, sports games etc...
20:33 <Ampera> reeeeeeee
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20:51 <T3sl4> must be nice having a working government
21:09 <Ampera> don't worry, their government doesn't work either
21:16 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWQM-njnWAg
21:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade 2021
21:24 <Ampera> the paradox of government is the best ones are designed to break
21:27 <Halcyon> Although they did have it in a statium this year instead of closing down roads
22:02 <Ampera> The bad ones are the ones who cater to one specific preference and viewpoint.
22:35 <T3sl4> Ampera: too bad that's an american meme, and not actually true in general
22:53 <steve30> Lesbians on motorbikes, how stereotypical
23:03 <Halcyon> Dykes on Bikes :P
23:07 <T3sl4> a strong gov i.e. that strongly represents the people, not just special/monied interests in it, works
23:16 <Ampera> It's a preference of system. What is best is subjective. The Nazi's loved their government, it worked really well for them.
23:44 <rust_collector> pom pom pom....bom bom bom hmm hmmm hmmmm
23:50 <Halcyon> Here is my peoples: https://youtu.be/XWQM-njnWAg?t=1844
23:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Parade 2021
24:00 <Ampera> The illusion there is governments which simply represent a single viewpoint seem to represent the people
24:09 <Ampera> because, by nature, people are inclined to think they are always right
24:19 <T3sl4> worked well by killing millions of their citizens, millions more of ex-citizens, and wasting billions in rampant gov corruption and big-corp kickbacks? if you say so
25:17 <Ampera> Yet, for the people to which it catered, it brought the best Germany had seen in ages, and from that perspective, worked brilliantly.
25:30 <T3sl4> it's actually a great counter to the "muh economy!" arguments. yes, their economy was booming in 1941 or so. look how well it turned out for some of their people, and the entirety of the country 4 years later
25:30 <BillGates> Godwin's Law.
26:04 <T3sl4> hah, godwin's law
26:38 <T3sl4> it works alright in ordinary times, but it hasn't been very useful the last 5 years on account of /actual fascists/ attempting to gain power
27:03 <T3sl4> kinda just turned it around and godwins-lawed the whole country
27:47 <steve30> I see a group of New South Wales Police Force people...
28:08 <Ampera> steve30, did Halcyon leave his webcam on during a work orgy again?
28:30 <steve30> yes
28:47 <Ampera> send me the footage please
28:48 <T3sl4> "may i see it?" - chalmers
29:08 <Ampera> can confirm, here in albany we call them steamed hams
29:51 <Halcyon> Mmm ham
29:54 <Ampera> BillGates, how's the divorce going btw
30:42 <BillGates> She's taking half.
30:43 <steve30> "Please help us stay Covid Safe"
31:00 <Ampera> You know what they say about the kids
31:03 <Ampera> split them right down the middle
31:12 <Ampera> you keep one half, I keep the other
31:44 <Ampera> Was reading the interwebs earlier and I found that apparently NY in the 90's ran a 6 phase transmission line
31:57 <Ampera> I don't know the details, but apparently over long distances it was more efficient than 3 phase
32:25 <Ampera> I'm not entirely sure how that works, I wonder if that's like our 1:2 split phase system domestically, but applied to 3 phase systems
32:37 <Ampera> it looks like that's what it is
32:39 <T3sl4> doesn't really mean anything, if you have almost any angle between two lines, you get all the rest
32:58 <T3sl4> running several lines in parallel, or maybe they're different branches on the same pole for convenience idk, is common tho
33:47 <BillGates> I miss my friend Jeffery.
34:01 <Ampera> No it was a double circuit 3 phase system converted to 6 phase
34:11 <Ampera> so presumably the other circuit was inverted 180deg
34:19 <Ampera> or phase shifted or whatever you'd call it
34:44 <Ampera> holy shit is my firefox fucking dying
34:55 <Ampera> I need to start tinkering with it, or start looking into pale moon
34:58 <Ampera> because this shit is fucked
35:13 <T3sl4> the only time a phase shift is used, is at point of load, where you might use a wye-delta transformer to get a free 30 deg phase shift, and FWB them all to get lower ripple DC output ("12 pulse rectifier")
35:16 <BillGates> You should use Edge.
35:35 <T3sl4> i love chromed edges
35:52 <Ampera> I've considered it, but at that rate I might as well start modding my own chromium
36:43 <Lemon> I asked earlier if it works well, but is somebody owning this exact model ? https://www.amazon.fr/Dremel-stationnaire-serre-joint-porte-outil-26152500JA/dp/B000QG79ZW/ref=pd_di_tdp_2/258-0739255-0076462?pd_rd_w=2ryXV&pf_rd_p=a50b11b9-1cc1-46aa-9814-5300541c59a9&pf_rd_r=ECFRXVPQ0ATBK6CA6PW3&pd_rd_r=01fe68dd-db9e-4e77-8fdf-85e363a149e4&pd_rd_wg=y2Wmq&pd_rd_i=B000QG79ZW&psc=1
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36:58 <Lemon> it looks really perfect for pcbs
37:11 <Ampera> alright, so I'm correct on both fronts
37:17 <Ampera> it's both a phase shift and a phase inversion
37:30 <T3sl4> phase inversion is trivial, just hook it up backwards :P
37:33 <Ampera> an inversion just implies a 180 degree shift for a sine wave
38:03 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm going to go lay in bed.
38:08 <Halcyon> One more day of work *sigh*
38:09 <Ampera> but anyways what I was talking about was an experimental line NY did in the 90's that was 93kv over 6 distinct phases
38:12 <T3sl4> Lemon: i don't have one, but it looks like something flimsy enough that doing any real work with it would be annoying or futile, but for PCBs it would be okay
38:19 <Ampera> instead of 115Kv over two sets of three
38:31 <Lemon> ha yes not for something heavy, or requiring clamping force
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38:42 <Lemon> its just to hold light things like a pcb to work on it
38:47 * Ampera tucks Halcyon in
38:51 <Halcyon> Aww :)
39:15 <T3sl4> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphase_system#Higher_phase_order
39:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Polyphase system - Wikipedia
39:28 <steve30> i should go for a shower
39:40 * T3sl4 gives Halcyon his bottle
39:47 * BillGates kisses Halcyon on the forehead.
39:52 <Halcyon> \o/
39:57 <Halcyon> All of the loves
39:59 <Halcyon> Night all
40:00 <T3sl4> that's a bottle of red, not of warm milk
40:11 <Ampera> yes that is where I read it, T3sl4
40:15 <Ampera> literally where I read it
40:42 <Ampera> looks like they have a writeup
40:55 <T3sl4> ah, so not anything electrical, just a mitigation for existing infrastructure
41:31 <Ampera> mitigation?
41:38 <Halcyon> Pa rum pum pum pum
41:46 <Ampera> and what do you mean not anything electrical
41:49 <T3sl4> mitigating voltage limits imposed by space limits
42:11 <T3sl4> it's not like you're putting more VAs through for the same volts, amps and number of conductors
42:16 <T3sl4> or not much more i don't think
42:38 <T3sl4> the duty factor might be a bit better, i forget and i'd have to check
43:31 <Lemon> I ordered it, we'll see tommorow
43:46 <Lemon> I forgot how nice getting shit on amazon was :>
43:49 <T3sl4> yey
44:10 <Lemon> I like the fact you can open it quite widely compared to other models, and it clamps on the desk
44:22 <Lemon> I think models with a weight at the bottom will still move
45:26 <T3sl4> the panavise i've used, has a suction cup
45:44 <T3sl4> similar size vise, somewhat different construction but still flimsy like rods and pressed metal parts, and the distinguishing feature, a swivel mount base
46:14 <T3sl4> ofc that inevitably means it holds a grip for 10 sec then falls off and is frustrating again :P
46:34 <Lemon> yes I read a lot of bad things about suction cups
46:42 <Lemon> a good ol desk clamp is fine I thikn
46:45 <T3sl4> or you suction it down to the ESD mat on your bench, to even less value :P
46:54 <Lemon> I still need an esd mat :>
47:00 <T3sl4> so yeah, clamp can be better
47:32 <T3sl4> other downside though is you're working at the edge of the bench, arms unsupported, also up in the air a bit since the thing's tall
48:17 <T3sl4> so can help if you have another table nearby to rest on, or put the thing in the corner between two tables or a bent table, or get some boxes to extend the table and lean on or something?
48:33 <Ysjoelfir> eh T3sl4, you remember that "we need someone to integrate a power meter into our thing" job on upwork?
48:45 <Lemon> ha for me its fine, I will use it on a plate that acts like a drawer in my bench (hard to explain)
48:48 <T3sl4> ?
48:55 <Lemon> so I can support my arms
49:00 <Ysjoelfir> you shared that one a few days ago
49:13 <T3sl4> what about it
49:20 <Ysjoelfir> got that one.
49:31 <T3sl4> oh neat
49:36 <T3sl4> as in signed?
49:40 <Ysjoelfir> yeah
49:47 <T3sl4> as long as the slide is heavy enough not to move around, or itself has stops/clamps/something
49:54 <T3sl4> \o/
50:01 <T3sl4> and that's not hard to arrange even if not built in
50:13 <Ysjoelfir> I offered 60 per hour, which is roughly twice the guy had in his description.
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50:41 <Lemon> yeah I will figure it out !
50:50 <Lemon> this month I decided to get tools im missing
50:58 <Lemon> as I sold my gtx 1080, I have some cash to play with
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51:12 <Lemon> new probes, a handheld dmm, various pliers, cables... etc
51:30 <T3sl4> still pretty low, but interesting
51:55 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. and upwork takes 12€ from that as well
52:01 <T3sl4> yep
52:14 <Ysjoelfir> so I'm down to 48. but eh, have to get some references, don't you?
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55:56 * T3sl4 gives Ysjoelfir some C-flavored *'s
56:06 <Ysjoelfir> lol
56:21 <T3sl4> no wait those are dereferences take these first --> &&&&&&&
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56:32 <Ysjoelfir> XD
00:57 <Halcyon> This would be if T3sl4 made a cooking channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSqIx_gDMA
00:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: French Toast - You Suck at Cooking (episode 116)
03:13 <T3sl4> hmm, my antigrav isn't quite up to task
04:09 <steve30> I just had cheese on toast
05:19 <Halcyon> Yummy
05:32 <Halcyon> I haven't had bread and melted cheese for ages
06:58 <T3sl4> how about cheese and melted bread
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08:21 <Halcyon> Same but different
18:41 <Ysjoelfir> I have spinach with potato mush and sausage
19:54 <Lemon> wurst !
20:01 <Ysjoelfir> yes
20:13 <Lemon> with an umlaut
20:16 <Lemon> umlaout
20:21 <Lemon> yes
21:17 <steve30> I wonder if the crime scene investigators have finished up the road yet
22:02 <Ysjoelfir> go for a walk with your camera and check? :D
27:39 <steve30> Well, it looked like the police photographer was packing up as i was walking past, and numerous pedestrians were climbing over the police tape, so I'm guessing they were nearly done.
30:00 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, probably
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59:34 <electrohead> o/
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09:37 * Ampera hugs and kisses electrohead 
11:12 * electrohead greets Ampera a little bit more properly
11:20 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
11:36 <electrohead> fucking shit.
11:39 <electrohead> you?
11:45 <electrohead> err, like *
12:01 <Ysjoelfir> what not? fucking shit or like a star?
12:05 <Ysjoelfir> *now
12:31 <Ampera> awake
12:33 <Ampera> slightly
12:42 <Ampera> was up all damn night working on getting my Xen setup working
13:15 <Ampera> everything's in place, but there's some sort of problem with a xen service that's supposed to communicate with the client
13:47 <Ampera> it's causing FreeBSD to hang down the line during kernel boot, and Debian takes five minutes to time out
14:06 <electrohead> sounds like it needs a hammer
15:27 <Ampera> oh don't get all hammer time with me, grandpa
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17:20 <TheDude> hey
18:11 <Ampera> what's up dudebro
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27:15 <jaymax> (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
27:39 <jaymax> Oh no, why is nothing being done?
27:45 <rust_collector> nice diy bench project
28:11 <jaymax> Thanks, kaomoji made it for me.
28:27 <rust_collector> very ikea
28:52 <jaymax> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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37:45 <T3sl4> jaymax: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
56:25 <MrMobodies> I'd thought I'd take a look at firefox again
56:34 <MrMobodies> the one I did a lot of work too last year
58:55 <MrMobodies> but when I see certain things like this page
58:56 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/swfHIBA.jpg
59:00 <MrMobodies> I get put off
59:11 <MrMobodies> and the blue outlining of things
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