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02:39 <Ysjoelfir> 25Hz
03:08 <rust_collector> not bad
05:31 <rust_collector> I am not even sure if I can hear 25 any more...
05:43 <rust_collector> 33 seems like a good number
10:01 <K> you can feel 25
10:20 <K> if enough air is being moved
10:56 <rust_collector> yeah, I can feel someone kicking my ass too
11:24 <K> right in the feels, man
11:29 <rust_collector> yep
11:57 <rust_collector> good thing I have a pretty sturdy bumper back there
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37:33 <K> poneeee
38:20 <steve30> hi
39:35 <Kuschelpony> Hello
47:15 <Ampera> hullo
49:49 <Lemon> hi
50:12 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
50:55 <Lemon> ok lets try again that adc board
50:59 <Lemon> I want stable readings
51:17 <Lemon> somebody told me to put a cap in parallel with the resistor divider
52:34 <Lemon> but I dont fully understand where t put it
56:12 <steve30> Why do some "youtubers" have an obsession with you pressing the bell?
58:14 <Ysjoelfir> afaik thats because youtubes algorithm does not show your videos in the recommendations (or way less frequent) if you dont get belled
58:45 <Ampera> I have no bells pressed, and get recommendations just a shit as always
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58:57 <K> it is for uploaderes
58:58 <Ampera> it's dude, bro
00:12 <Dude> yo
00:22 <K> how does it dude?
00:32 <Ampera> yeah, how are you dudeing
00:37 <Dude> it does
01:25 <Dude> just got home from work
01:33 <Dude> the drive home was ass
01:44 <Dude> because it's raining today and people are driving weird
02:49 <Dude> but all in all, not that bad
03:01 <K> people are weird
03:07 <Dude> we're celebrating dad's birthday this sunday, so that should be nice
05:04 <K> nice
17:09 <Ampera> why do microsoft seem to always have the slowest download servers known to mankind
19:42 <K> why are you downloading something from ms servers?
19:49 <K> sus af
23:03 <Ysjoelfir> yes, indeed
23:09 <Ysjoelfir> we should throw Ampera into space
24:19 * Ampera snaps Ysjoelfir in half
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25:15 Nick: Ysjoelfir is now known as Ys
25:21 <Ys> Great Ampera
25:34 <K> now look what you've done.
25:35 <oelfir> we even lost a piece there
25:49 <Ampera> hrm
25:52 <Ampera> which one do I ban?
28:48 Quit: oelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Connection closed
28:55 Nick: Ys is now known as Ysjoelfir
29:05 <Ysjoelfir> that was somehow less funny than I immagined xD
30:10 <Ampera> the story of my life
34:47 <rust_collector> woohoo! I had fun
34:57 <rust_collector> I just thought I should rub that in
36:02 <K> in or out?
36:02 <rust_collector> I disabled the dpf on the wifemobile (which is not even there) and it still starts and seems to work
36:19 <rust_collector> in, like electrohead
37:59 <rust_collector> or apf for ysjoelfir and such people, or fap, for lemon like people. No wonder I get confused
40:27 <electrohead> wait, what?
40:29 <electrohead> lol
41:08 <rust_collector> yes you, mr I rub everyone
49:18 <K> mr rubber
15:26 * electrohead rubs K on rust_collector
15:42 <K> bad touching!
15:51 <rust_collector> ooh. that is a very strange feeling
20:01 <Ysjoelfir> nice rust_collector
20:02 <Ysjoelfir> :D
20:45 <rust_collector> yes, you should have some K too, it is not bad at all
21:17 * Ysjoelfir cuts a piece off of K
21:30 <K> bunch of savages
22:00 <Ysjoelfir> swashbuckler!
22:25 <rust_collector> what a nice precise slicing job you did, mr Ysjoelfir
22:59 <Ysjoelfir> I know, right?
23:33 <K> huh, i better go home before you break off something important
23:36 <K> cyas
23:45 <Ysjoelfir> nooooooooo!
23:54 * Ysjoelfir throws the rope at K
25:11 * electrohead lights the rope on fire
26:58 * rust_collector watches the the rope burn like a fuse, after K
27:54 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtFLioX7Dmo
27:55 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Analog Brothers - Analog Annihilator vs. Silver Surfer
29:12 <Ysjoelfir> hehe, I like that one
29:29 <rust_collector> heh, ok
30:06 <rust_collector> in that case, you can probably find some cypress hill, they also has some low notes now and then
35:00 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
36:13 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5meT63flnM
36:14 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Origin Unknown - Valley Of The Shadows ᴴᴰ
38:24 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPxXe8LCvI8
38:25 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Ol' Dirty Bastard - Raw Hide feat. Raekwon & Method Man (HD)
43:11 <Ysjoelfir> XD
43:54 <rust_collector> x d yourself.
44:09 <rust_collector> i am going to the store, we are getting hangry here
46:34 <Ysjoelfir> what are you getting?
02:19 * electrohead offers sushi
08:11 * Ysjoelfir peels all that algae stuff off the sushi, throws that away and enjoys the remaining parts
13:48 <electrohead> lol
13:50 <electrohead> https://www.ncsc.gov.uk/files/Advisory%20Further%20TTPs%20associated%20with%20SVR%20cyber%20actors.pdf
15:02 <Ampera> Cyber is a word I wish people would stop using
15:08 <rust_collector> I am getting ultra-fat cow juice, lasagna stuff, and... stuff
15:41 <Ampera> I also find it unendingly irritating when documents are formatted in multiple columns
15:56 <Ampera> maybe this document was intended to irritate whoever read it
16:20 <rust_collector> if most people skip reading it, they won't have to actually do anything
16:35 <Ampera> what's weirder is the rest of the document is formatted normally
16:39 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds very nice. we'll be having noodles with Gorgonzola sauce
16:40 <Ampera> so it's not even consistent
31:01 <Lemon> hmmm what kind of module could I use, to charge by usb a 2s4p 18650 pack ? I thought about using one of those 2s little bms, connect a module to it that take the 5v from usb and boost it to 8.7
31:18 <Lemon> is there something available on ebay ? I find a lot of them but for a single 18650
32:13 <Lemon> ha I found one I think
32:47 <Lemon> ha shit its not adjustable
33:15 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/202523477976?hash=item2f275707d8:g:M0kAAOSwRYNcBPdc
33:17 <eevBot> [Title] - USB Lithium Li-Ion Batterie 18650 Chargeur Module 3.7 V 4.2 V Boost Step Up 9 V 12 V | eBay
33:19 <Lemon> this would work right ?
36:47 <Lemon> or no, in fact that https://www.ebay.fr/itm/324436712008?hash=item4b89ef5a48:g:z~EAAOSwnRpf7Kw~
36:48 <eevBot> [Title] - Module alimentation MT3608 2-24V to 5-28V USB réglable 2A| step up boost Arduino | eBay
36:53 <Lemon> the bms should cut when needed
37:03 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/183863241537
37:05 <eevBot> [Title] - 2S 3A 7.4v 8.4V 18650 BMS PCM protection charge batterie li-ion 4071Z | eBay
37:07 <Lemon> heres the bms
44:01 <Lemon> I think I'll use a 2s lipo battery thats easier
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22:25 <rust_collector> weather guy says I have to be outside tomorrow...
22:29 <rust_collector> blaaaah
23:31 Quit: spyda ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
24:20 <Ysjoelfir> so tomorrow will be snow?
24:34 <rust_collector> I hope so
24:35 <Ysjoelfir> also, mrs. website maid said that she fixed some of the things we found.
24:44 <rust_collector> oh, nice
25:20 <Ysjoelfir> if you (and everyone who is interested) want to see of you find more errors - http://pditest.pdi.engineering
25:21 <eevBot> [Title] - PDI.Engineering - Home
26:18 <Lemon> why is it so hard to find silicone test leads with banana on ebay
26:22 <Lemon> and not fucking shrouded connectors
26:31 <Lemon> lemme see Ysjoelfir
28:50 <rust_collector> well, the phone stuff still needs work, I don't know if she looked at that yet. I still have half an issue with if you have a very small window, you can not move the page around to see all of it
30:12 <Ysjoelfir> oh realy? could you take a screenshot? it looks fine-ish at our phones. only issue there is, that the footer with the impressum is chopped off a bit, but we plan to replace the full text with a short text in the mobile view
30:52 <rust_collector> ok, that would probably do on a phone in vertical mode
31:34 <rust_collector> you know... the header does not want to go outside the screen, so the rest of the page stays down there somewhere
31:45 <Ysjoelfir> ah yes, its not optimized for horizontal mode.
32:25 <Ysjoelfir> I didn't try that, will add that to the to do list
32:46 <rust_collector> it does just about fit in normal mode
33:28 <Ysjoelfir> In normal mode I noticed that some pics are out to the side of the site, but I can fix that by limiting the pictures width
37:58 <Ysjoelfir> so... I have to ask carefully: Is that everything? :D
38:54 <rust_collector> that is all i have seen right now. I still need to schnappishot the firefox window
39:40 <Ysjoelfir> ok :) thanks
39:56 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/yFgTD0P.png
40:01 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, did you notice something?
40:06 <rust_collector> try to find the bottom of that page...
40:17 <Lemon> hmmm no I think its pretty nice :>
40:35 <rust_collector> yeah, it looks nice
41:59 <Lemon> about those clamps https://www.leboncoin.fr/equipements_industriels/1803062082.htm?ac=206978287
42:00 <eevBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
42:10 <Lemon> it says 250, 500 or 1ka max
42:15 <Ysjoelfir> aah, I see. that seems to happen when the vertical height is too small. should be resolved the same way the mobile horizontal view gets fixed
42:19 <Lemon> but can I measure for example 2 amps ?
42:39 <Ysjoelfir> sure
42:57 <rust_collector> 0 to 5, it says
43:09 <rust_collector> if I knoe frenchish
43:34 <Lemon> but maybe those arent really accurate
43:39 <Lemon> or it mostly depends on the meter ?
43:40 <rust_collector> which I don't
43:57 <Lemon> it got 3 ranges rust_colllector
44:07 <Lemon> and its for the 5 amp range from what I understand
44:11 <Lemon> but im unsure
44:13 <rust_collector> i don't believe you should look for too many zeros on those?
44:19 <Lemon> ho no no
44:27 <Lemon> but I mean, if its accurate to at least 100ma
44:47 <Lemon> if its +- 2-3 amps its of no use to me
44:50 <Ysjoelfir> thats pretty corect what rusty says. its basically the same thing as the one I brought with me as a gift when we visited you :)
45:26 <Lemon> so basically, I need a 5 amp range on my meter ?
45:35 <Lemon> how does it work exactly ?
45:45 <Ysjoelfir> its a transformer
45:56 <Ysjoelfir> to make it easy
46:17 <Lemon> ho yes but I meant, on what range etc
46:25 <Lemon> what is the exact ratio, on what range I can use it
47:42 <rust_collector> 10k to 15k volt range dcc
47:53 <Lemon> hmmmmm
48:19 <rust_collector> no.
49:03 <Ysjoelfir> the ratio is written on the thing
49:09 <Ysjoelfir> 1000/500/250 to 5
49:24 <rust_collector> but that one uses current?
49:29 <Lemon> ha yes in that way, ok ! so 1000a is shown at 5a
49:41 <Lemon> yeah usually its on the volt range no ?
49:44 <Ysjoelfir> so 200A = 1A / 100A = 1A/ 50A = 1A
50:02 <Ysjoelfir> that one is a currenttransformer. it can only measure AC
50:18 <Lemon> I cant find any specs for it, to know the accuracy
50:24 <Ysjoelfir> the ones you are thinking about, rust_collector, are usually hall based. those can do DC as well and usually output volts
50:26 <Lemon> but I think its too big for what I want
50:36 <Lemon> yeah I want that I think
50:55 <Lemon> for example I want to measure the consumption of my mothers hot water thingie
51:01 <Lemon> to tell her how much it cost per month
51:12 <rust_collector> oh-k
51:26 <Lemon> because its probably the thing that cost the most in her house, and she wants to go solar pannels
51:36 <rust_collector> i do not think she uses 1000A there
51:37 <Lemon> so an estimation is a nice thing to do, of the real consumption
51:41 <Lemon> yeah lol
51:53 <rust_collector> but ac clamp meters are pretty cheap?
52:01 <Ysjoelfir> yep
52:32 <Lemon> well I guess it depends on the accuracy you want
52:44 <Lemon> as its not a huge consumption, I need something decently accurate
52:55 <Lemon> I dont need 10ppm accuracy
58:22 <rust_collector> you need that donut I told you to buy
00:50 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1898558783.htm?ac=206978287
00:50 <eevBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
00:53 <Lemon> this one looks nice
01:04 <Lemon> it goes high, but can also measure low according the the paper that comes with it
01:17 <Lemon> they tested it at 50hz, at 1a theres 0.5% accuracy
01:25 <Lemon> 1% is fine I think
01:29 <Lemon> so lower even gooder
03:22 <Lemon> I guess its also only for AC
04:43 <rust_collector> yeah, you should get one like mine, because reasons
05:58 <rust_collector> that one is actually on the larger side, for my use. but it has been very handy some times
06:24 <Lemon> well for those low prices, maybe a smaller and a bigger one is a nice thing to have
06:36 <Lemon> maybe I'll have to measure an electric motor or whatever
08:03 <rust_collector> thik of what meter you will use to display it on, because that is my problem. if I measure 1A, I only get 1mv of signal to the meter. which is not very much
08:09 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/840303956009680926/20210507_150728.jpg
08:49 <Lemon> yeah thats true
09:02 <rust_collector> schnappi schnappi schnappi
09:29 <steve30> ooh, German Brand Made in USA
10:29 <rust_collector> That is like when I make videos in asia, and tell everyone I am canadian.
10:35 <rust_collector> it is close enough
11:31 * T3sl4 puts Ampera inside his natural casing
17:07 <rust_collector> I wonder why my lasagna came out pretty much perfect, on the day the wife is not home
22:43 <rust_collector> and I wish usa would ban train horns
24:44 <Ampera> why
25:06 <rust_collector> they are noisy, and I like other train noises much better
25:18 <Ampera> you're noisy too
25:30 <rust_collector> oh, you have no idea
25:45 <rust_collector> I am noisy³
27:38 <Ampera> well, you know what they say
27:49 <Ampera> so I don't need to tell it to you
28:22 * Ampera is having macaroni and goat cheese mix with the dogs
31:16 <rust_collector> the wonderful noises of 2 stroke gm diesels... it should not be ruined by someone squeezing a huge donkey
32:10 <Ampera> squeezing a donkey sounds like a euphemism for something
32:20 <rust_collector> yes, it does
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41:35 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/840312361063284776/20210507_154109.jpg
45:07 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon!
45:25 <Ysjoelfir> I have a current clamp for you. one of those french brand nobody can freakin pronounce
45:32 <Ysjoelfir> I can sell it for cheap
45:36 <Ysjoelfir> ish
45:53 <Lemon> hooooo
45:57 <Lemon> chauvin arnoux ?
46:02 <Ysjoelfir> yes
46:13 <Ysjoelfir> its a small one. 30.000 amps
46:31 <Lemon> ho that would but perfect ! can you send me a picture please ? :>
47:12 <rust_collector> 30kA
47:18 <rust_collector> ideal for water heater
47:27 <rust_collector> just clamp the whole thing
48:31 <Lemon> wait, 30ka or 30 dot 000 ? xd
49:07 <Ysjoelfir> Just looked for it, I can't reach it right now, its in the farmost corner of the labs shitpile and that thing is pretty heavy.
49:11 <Ysjoelfir> 30kA, yes
49:41 <Lemon> arf yes 30ka is a bit big :>
50:18 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1898558783.htm?ac=206978287
50:19 <eevBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
50:21 <Lemon> im tempted by this one
50:44 <Lemon> it comes with a paper showing an accuracy test, and it looks decently accurate
51:16 <rust_collector> paper is cheap, they come with them from the factory...
51:45 <rust_collector> signed by mr fried pork and rice
51:52 <T3sl4> Ampera: you really shelled out for the cheese, i see
52:13 <Ampera> it's goat cheese, T3sl4
52:14 <Ampera> supposedly
52:18 <Ampera> doesn't taste as fancy as it sounds
52:39 <T3sl4> it's a bit sheepish in flavor,,,wait
56:56 <Lemon> I see it got a good acuracy at low amps and high amps
56:59 <Lemon> so that would be perfect
57:05 <Lemon> even if I'd mostly use low amps
00:28 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, those are cute
00:49 <Ysjoelfir> what would you use it for?
00:51 <Lemon> a weird form yeah
01:11 <Lemon> well mostly to measure the consumption of things were I can't break the circuit
01:20 <Ysjoelfir> nah, pretty normal for that size
01:23 <Lemon> like the hot water thingie of my mothers house, or other things like that
01:29 <Ysjoelfir> ok, tell me examples :)
02:00 <Ysjoelfir> you keep in mind that you need to separate the wires, right? like separate Line from Neutral and Earth
02:21 <Lemon> ho yes, it doesnt work with a microwave for that reason for example
02:26 <Lemon> because they are all bundled
02:40 <Lemon> but I think the wires from the hot water baloon are accessible
02:54 <Ysjoelfir> usually, yes
04:00 <Lemon> so yeah I kinda want a clamp for that reason :> more capabilities !
04:05 <Lemon> I dont know that brand tho
04:05 <Ysjoelfir> so, what applications would you measure?
04:19 <Ysjoelfir> its pretty much on par with that strange french name thing
04:25 <Lemon> well, that hot water thingie, and any other things where I cant break the circuit as I said :P
04:36 <Lemon> my mother want to go solar pannels
04:37 <Ysjoelfir> yes, like what for example?
04:45 <Lemon> so I need to measure it, and tell her how much it consumes
04:55 <Ysjoelfir> ok, would you want to measure the DC bus of the solar panel?
05:00 <Lemon> nono
05:04 <Lemon> the hot water stuff xD
05:17 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but besides that I mean
05:26 <Lemon> so i can tell her how much it consumes, because thats the top 1 thing in the house that suck power
05:30 <Lemon> maybe motors ?
05:40 <Lemon> I'll surely find cool things :>
05:45 <rust_collector> how many motors does you mom have?
05:49 <Lemon> but thats also why I dont want to invest a ton of money
05:56 <Lemon> all the motors !
05:56 <Ysjoelfir> low voltage high current lines in a PC?
06:10 <Ysjoelfir> like +12V and whatnot?
06:16 <Lemon> hmmm thats DCI no ?
06:20 <Ysjoelfir> yes
06:27 <Lemon> I cant with that clamp ?
06:31 <Lemon> I think its only ac no ?
06:45 <Ysjoelfir> Yes. So you keep that in mind. Good. That is what I wanted to check.
06:50 <rust_collector> that is one reason to ask what you want to use it for...
07:04 <Lemon> ok :P
07:12 <Lemon> but yes it would be even better if it could do both
07:43 <Lemon> I mean, if for 25 bucks delivered I can have an accurate way to measure AC stuff, thats already neat
08:55 <rust_collector> I think that is about what I paid for the little clampinator/multimeter thing. not so great for logging, but...
08:59 <rust_collector> ac/dc
09:11 <Lemon> yeah that works
13:44 <rust_collector> ok, I was wrong, it was 54 euros, or is now. but I got a coupon at the time
44:36 <T3sl4> https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/technical
44:37 <eevBot> [Title] - Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Technical
04:15 <electrohead> o/
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09:14 <Ysjoelfir> good nights mr STBEB
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10:45 <rust_collector> I think we need more teabagging pictures before you go
11:26 <Ysjoelfir> I don't realy want to go yet, but I feel kinda tired somehow
11:44 <rust_collector> whaat? didn't you sleep and stuff last night?
11:45 <Ysjoelfir> so that means I either need more alcohol, or less alcohol
11:57 <Ysjoelfir> I did do such things, yes
12:31 <rust_collector> i am sort of not tired yet, so I should probably go to bed
13:55 <rust_collector> I guess, if you want to get some accurate statistics for your earhole plugger spreadsheet....
21:47 <Ysjoelfir> heh
22:57 <rust_collector> i still wonder if I should send the link to the bme vid to hsn. he needs some western web culture
23:38 <Ysjoelfir> oh yes, absolutely!
24:36 <rust_collector> maybe he can put it on his large tv, and have a family sort of thing, with some snacks... maybe next week, as they are drinking water this week
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26:13 <rust_collector> who upset him anyway? he has been so quiet today?
27:03 <Lemon> hmmm you know those switch mode power supply modules you can find easily on ebay
27:14 <Lemon> can you make an arrangement of series/paralell with those ?
27:33 <Lemon> like 50v2a modules, put two in series for 100v and 2 in paralell for 100v4a
28:37 <rust_collector> not always. I think they are often not isolated? i am not very sure at the moment. I am trying to be tired
29:22 <Lemon> yeah im unsure
33:09 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, maybe that one is for you https://www.upwork.com/jobs/Electrical-Engineer-Needed-Develop-Soft-Start-for-200A-Hoist_~017a790bbd90e30ecc/
33:10 <eevBot> [Title] - Access to this page has been denied.
35:26 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/381784053027?hash=item58e41a5523:g:oqQAAOSwAuZX5Odg
35:27 <eevBot> [Title] - Nouveau 50 A 1500 W Direct Current Converter Step-Up Boost module d'alimentation 12 V 24 V 48 V | eBay
35:32 <Lemon> those for example, they arent isolated, right ?
35:37 <Lemon> so you cant series them
36:03 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/164693541523?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3Dd9ffea174c754c6995396366e4267cec%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D381784053027%26itm%3D164693541523%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseUnbiasedWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851
36:04 <eevBot> [Title] - 12 V 24 V - 2 A à 60 A Ampli de Commutation d'Alimentation Adaptateur pour DEL Bande Lumière AC Detective comics | eBay
36:05 <Lemon> those I meant
37:43 <rust_collector> prrrrobably not in series no. Imo, that is
38:02 <Lemon> hmmm
38:05 <Lemon> actually im not sure now
38:17 <Lemon> https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/MEANWELL-65w-isolated-Power-Supply-RID_60696297928.html
38:18 <eevBot> [Title] - Meanwell 65w Isolated Power Supply Rid-65 Dual Output Dc Voltage Regulator - Buy (original Meanwell)rid-65,Meanwell Rid-65b 65w Dual Output Switching Power Supply,24v Dc Voltage Regulator Product on Alibaba.com
38:22 <Lemon> this one says its isolated
38:26 <Lemon> and design is prolly the same
38:55 <rust_collector> I would not trust that they are very similar
41:31 <rust_collector> but that one does say that it has isolated output and ground on both channels, so that is a good sign
41:53 <Lemon> yeah
41:59 <Lemon> ho well anyway thats dumb, I dont need that
42:10 <Lemon> I need to start drawing the voltmeter I want to build
42:28 <Lemon> I decided to get the adc, vref, power it via batteries and do it that way
42:38 <Lemon> instead of buying a pre-made adc board like the one I have
42:42 <rust_collector> oh, and you have to buy that thing.....
42:47 <Lemon> because I have no control over the vref etc
42:53 <Lemon> and it will teach me some stuff
43:52 <Lemon> 4 channels, 0-70 or 100v, powered via batteries
43:57 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir just 17 minutes....
44:00 <Lemon> it would be super cool and handy to move around on the bench
44:12 <Ysjoelfir> then its tomorrow?
44:14 <Lemon> 5.5 digits resolution, and at least 4.5 accuracy would be good
44:24 <rust_collector> yep, then you can just start over
44:43 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir just 16 minutes....
45:26 <rust_collector> "today your train is--------------0 hours and ---------------7 minutes delayed"
45:47 <Ysjoelfir> my train is sleeping on the sofa already
46:02 <rust_collector> BRRRRRRR BRRRRRRR BRRRRRRRRR
46:15 <Ysjoelfir> and Gworg is standing besides me, being amused about strange jobposts on upwork
46:36 <rust_collector> ok, do you notice how not sleeping he is?
46:52 <Ysjoelfir> yes
46:59 <rust_collector> annoying, isn't it?
47:09 <Ysjoelfir> meh, its ok
48:42 <rust_collector> yes, you could have been electroheads customer, who sleeps forever in the beer fridge, after he was drained of all his blood. Just by mistake, it was a calculation error
48:55 <rust_collector> could happen to anyone
49:36 * electrohead offers sushi
50:08 <rust_collector> ok. why is everyone trying to get rid of their sushi today?
50:34 <rust_collector> I was starting to think it was ok, but... it seems it is not THAT great
50:44 * Ysjoelfir takes again all the algae stuff from it, throws it at rust_collector and eats all the remaining stuff
51:04 <rust_collector> you mean the fleas?
51:10 <Ysjoelfir> yes
51:16 <rust_collector> yum
51:36 <rust_collector> they can be made into cakes, sort of
58:05 * T3sl4 hoists Ysjoelfir on his own petard
58:36 <T3sl4> that was weird, i had to refresh that page twice to get it to look right
59:33 * rust_collector makes Ysjoelfir a motard
59:50 <rust_collector> le dingdong! garlique
00:00 <Ysjoelfir> the heck is a petard
00:30 <rust_collector> let us call it a box
00:47 <rust_collector> not very related to a motard, unless you live in sand land
04:02 <T3sl4> it's the thing by which one gets hoisted
04:17 <rust_collector> well
05:10 <T3sl4> it seems it relates to backfiring, as one poorly throwing a grenade
05:28 <T3sl4> but the hoist phrase is the only time you'll ever see it in english i'm pretty sure
15:38 <Ysjoelfir> after suggesting this great job posts to T3sl4 I should go to bed. https://www.upwork.com/jobs/Hhhgf-Hhhgf-problem-kujh-nigh-Hhhgf_~010e791a36513abb32/
15:39 <eevBot> [Title] - Access to this page has been denied.
16:03 <T3sl4> oooh, this looks important
16:15 <Ysjoelfir> doesn't it/
16:16 <Ysjoelfir> ?
16:20 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RbXIMZmVv8
16:21 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Pink Floyd - Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun
16:23 <rust_collector> good night
16:33 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 :)
16:36 * T3sl4 hoists Ysjoelfir some more
16:49 * Ysjoelfir now has to google what that is before going to bed
17:06 <Lemon> un petard, it can mean a few things
17:06 <rust_collector> it is a box, or case, or similar container
17:11 <Lemon> but its a firework, roughly
17:16 <rust_collector> sssh!
17:19 <Lemon> or a joint :>
17:38 <Ysjoelfir> whaaaaaaaaaaatever :D gn8 all
17:51 <rust_collector> I guess some would get hoisted by a joint
18:58 * T3sl4 gently [salt]peters Lemon
20:09 <rust_collector> go to bed, Lemon
20:45 <rust_collector> you have to get up early......
21:05 <Lemon> not really but yeah I'll go soon
21:35 <rust_collector> yes...sure...
21:48 <rust_collector> do we have to put a timer on your internet?
22:11 <rust_collector> no lego for you until you tidy up your room
22:18 <T3sl4> french internet going on strike? nahh that'll never happen
23:00 <rust_collector> it is probably the farmers protesting
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37:38 <Halcyon> Morninnnnng
38:41 <steve30> meow
38:48 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
39:12 <Halcyon> Oh Steve, they have Mango and cream Tim Tams now
41:19 <steve30> :S
41:41 <Halcyon> I'm going to get some today, along with other flavours for you if you are interested in doing a food unboxing?
42:30 <steve30> I'd stick to normal chocolatey stuff if you're sending it to me :)
42:40 <Halcyon> Not a fan of white chocolate?
42:52 <steve30> nah
42:58 <Halcyon> Picky bitch :P
43:22 <Halcyon> What about things like Raspberry and Dark Chocolate?
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43:39 <steve30> raspberry? eww
43:49 <Halcyon> Gees, you're as bad as Ampera :P
43:59 <steve30> Chocolate is best left as chocolate
44:06 <Halcyon> Hehehe
44:16 <Halcyon> I'll send over a selection of chocolatey ones then
44:29 <steve30> yay chocolate :p
44:34 <Halcyon> Haha
48:23 * T3sl4 hugs Halcyon
48:31 <Halcyon> Heyyyy T3sl4
48:45 <T3sl4> i'll gladly save you from all the raspberrys, Halcyon
48:57 <Halcyon> I like raspberry
49:05 <Halcyon> It's Steve who doesn't like tainted chocolate
49:18 <T3sl4> not your taint anyway
49:24 <Halcyon> :P
53:59 * Halcyon throws mixed berries at T3sl4 
54:11 * T3sl4 noms
55:30 <T3sl4> that reminds me, i should get another berry wine
55:43 <Halcyon> Berry wine?
56:41 <T3sl4> the store has blueberry, blackberry, cherry and a couple other things
57:00 <Halcyon> Is it just regular wine with other fruits added?
58:34 <T3sl4> it says made with
59:00 <T3sl4> though the blackberry is suspiciously light in color so i wonder how much
02:38 * electrohead rubs on Halcyon for good luck
02:46 <Halcyon> :D
02:49 <Halcyon> Heeeeey electrohead
02:54 <electrohead> :P
02:57 <electrohead> Hey mate
03:52 * T3sl4 discharges electrohead into a leyden jar
05:05 * electrohead forces T3sl4 through a diode
05:12 * T3sl4 shrugs
05:22 * electrohead shrugs
05:32 <electrohead> lol :p
09:52 * T3sl4 hugs
18:02 * steve30 pets Halcyon 
18:08 <Halcyon> :D
18:20 * electrohead films
18:24 <Halcyon> Hahaha
19:01 <steve30> Halcyon, I've been chatting to this cute twink on recon.com :p. He's a bit too far away though and neither of us own a teleporter.
19:11 <Halcyon> Aww
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24:21 <electrohead> you call men 'twinks?'
24:23 <electrohead> lol
24:23 <Reg7805> hello everybody
24:29 * electrohead waves at Reg7805
24:36 <Halcyon> Twinks are young looking, skinny guys
24:49 <Reg7805> how is everybody
24:57 <Halcyon> Good Reg7805, how are you?
25:10 <Reg7805> good Halcyon
25:54 <Reg7805> question, does anybody know free grafcet drawing program
26:48 * T3sl4 hugs Reg7805
28:05 <Reg7805> hi there T3sl4
28:33 <electrohead> Reg7805: searching on github, I came across this - https://github.com/nagimov/grafcet2
28:34 <eevBot> [Title] - GitHub - nagimov/grafcet2: LATEX package for drawing grafcets (sequential function charts)
28:36 <Reg7805> im working on PLC assignment just the moment
28:50 <electrohead> I'm not familiar with that, so no clue if that's any use to you, or not
29:01 <T3sl4> that's actually a term, not a typo?
30:09 <Reg7805> yes, grafcet "Sequential Function Chart" is for PLC's
31:28 <Reg7805> it would been handy if draw.io had it, but it does not
33:54 <electrohead> that's a world I haven't dove into, yet, heh
34:02 <electrohead> doesn't seem all too hard, though
35:01 <T3sl4> the example on wiki looks like a plain table would do
35:13 <Reg7805> similar to logic gate theory
35:40 <Reg7805> i think i will just make one quick in draw.io
39:52 <electrohead> Reg7805: would graphviz be of use to you?
40:25 <Reg7805> looking
41:49 <electrohead> here's the git repo - https://gitlab.com/graphviz/graphviz/
41:50 <eevBot> [Title] - graphviz / graphviz · GitLab
45:18 <Reg7805> i have not found grafcet funtion, it might not have it
45:43 <Reg7805> but dont worry about, i have started to make it draw.io
50:17 <electrohead> oh ok
50:24 <electrohead> eevBot: give beer to Reg7805
50:24 * eevBot offers liquid awesomeness
52:01 <Reg7805> thanks, might need coffee aswell, so much bloody work to do, and my eyes are on fire
52:16 <steve30> I'll go to bed soon I think
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49:33 <Reg7805> grafcet finished :)
51:17 <electrohead> \o/
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54:48 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wAjcWHkDY
54:49 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: JoJo & Buddy
54:51 <Halcyon> Lots of birbs
57:37 <electrohead> awe
57:40 <electrohead> :D
59:05 <electrohead> dude that is so damn cute
00:06 <Halcyon> Parrots are the best
02:23 <Reg7805> amazing colors aswell
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30:32 <steve30> i couldn't sleep
35:16 <electrohead> home ~
35:37 <electrohead> so, did my first freeze treatment of this damn plantar wart on the bottom of my right big toe
35:43 <electrohead> I have a feeling I'll have to do it a few times, guh
49:40 <Halcyon> You're so sexy electrohead :P
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50:53 <Halcyon> Ooh my stiff is back :P
51:35 <Halcyon> I have never seen actual proper Doom disks
51:55 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/kyI6KDU96zA?t=108
51:56 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Brand NEW IBM ThinkPad 380ED from 1997! Unboxing & Setup
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54:00 <alfbaz> Hey Halcyon, how they hangin
54:39 <alfbaz> Was playing some tea party the other day and forgot about this one
54:41 <alfbaz> 
54:53 <alfbaz> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_z5Be8d5W4
54:54 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Tea Party - The Halcyon Days
57:30 <electrohead> Halcyon: I try to be :p
59:34 <Halcyon> Hey alfbaz, low and lazy
59:36 <Halcyon> How about you?
02:58 <electrohead> I'm watching surgical wart removal videos
03:02 <electrohead> interesting stuff, heh
03:11 <Halcyon> Thanks electrohead, I was eating
03:25 <electrohead> I'm watching them while eating
03:28 <electrohead> >.>
04:08 <Halcyon> You're so gross :P
04:14 <electrohead> it doesn't bother me :P
04:47 <alfbaz> Halcyon, doin good
05:26 <alfbaz> you guys seem to be either eating or watching food :P
05:38 <Halcyon> Well it's lunch time
06:07 <alfbaz> lol it is too
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10:01 <alfbaz> electrohead, years ago it was suggested to me by my Dr to have discectomy but he used another term that I can't recall right now.
10:32 <alfbaz> I googled it and watched a utube video on the procedure
12:04 <alfbaz> I was like, no way are they doing that to me. The cut open the stomach to reach the spine and then hack away at it until they drill some plates onto it to prevent disks moving relative to each other
12:12 <alfbaz> I was horrified
12:46 <Kuschelpony> Halcyon, maybe we should cal lthem Diet videos then :)
13:01 <Halcyon> Heheh
13:04 <Halcyon> Hey Kuschelpony :)
13:18 <Kuschelpony> yes?
13:23 <Halcyon> I was saying hello
13:30 <alfbaz> turns out the procedure was a tiny hole through the back and they'd slice a bit of the offending disk off. It was done in an afternoon
16:40 <electrohead> oh damn
16:46 <electrohead> I just looked that up, too
21:39 <Kuschelpony> soo, time for breakfast and off into the new day
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22:05 <electrohead> Kuschelpony: you should start your day off with some wart removal videos, as well :p
22:15 <electrohead> oh, ok, that was a quick exit, then
40:17 <alfbaz> jeebus, i'm working up a sweat here!
49:48 * electrohead drowns alfbaz in deodorant
52:53 * Halcyon gives electrohead a spritz of Calvin Klein
58:23 * electrohead lights it on fire
58:26 <electrohead> lol
00:27 <Halcyon> You are very destructive today
00:54 * alfbaz wonders why hes having hot flashes
05:44 <electrohead> :P
07:31 <Halcyon> So I think I've come up with a winning formula to reduce my energy bills even further.
09:02 <Halcyon> Basically, I'm switching to a time of use tariff where power is very cheap at night and on weekends. So, my batteries will charge off solar during the day ready for the afternoon/evening peak time (where power is expensive). Then by the time it's empty (around 2300-midnight), usage is low and on the off-peak tariff anyway...
09:51 <Halcyon> Then, early morning (0100-0500) the battery does a second charge but this time off the grid at the lowest rate, ready for the morning shoulder period where energy is medium expensive at which point the solar kicks back in, powers the house + charges the battery.
09:54 <Halcyon> Rinse and repeat.
14:15 <alfbaz> Almost sounds like there are savings to be had with just battery alone, store energy when it's cheap and use batts when it's not :P
14:43 <Halcyon> There are indeed, except my battery system is only 6.5 kWh
15:00 <Halcyon> It doesn't cover me from the entire period solar stops generating to when it starts up again
15:05 <Halcyon> Particularly this time of year
15:22 <alfbaz> what tech are they? lead acid, lipo...
15:29 <Halcyon> Some kind of Lithium
16:13 <alfbaz> can they handle deep discharge like the deep cycle LA's
16:16 <Halcyon> They don't do a bad job though. I can pull a 3kW continuously when I need to (like heating the oven)
16:39 <Halcyon> I don't think it's recommended. I've got it set so that 10% SOC is "empty", so it never dips below that.
17:28 * T3sl4 rinses Halcyon
17:45 * Halcyon shakes off like an etchersketch
18:45 <T3sl4> hah
19:25 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/iCvuIaxeLKE?t=40
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22:16 <alfbaz> Sorry just curious individual cell voltage and total bank voltage and how ae they connected series or series/parallel?
23:17 <Halcyon> I have no idea
23:23 <Halcyon> It's a commercial off-the-shelf product
23:25 <Halcyon> I didn't build it
25:05 <alfbaz> Use to do heaps of work with lead acid battery banks 15+ years ago was curious about what they're doing these days
26:56 <Halcyon> Yeh it's all lithium packs now. I think these home battery systems always were, unless you bought a custom solution.
27:06 <Halcyon> These things just bolt onto the wall and connect to the meter box
28:26 <alfbaz> I tell myself I'll have to research the differences but I know it'l never happen :c
28:51 <Halcyon> I guess lithium is better for higher currents than lead acid?
29:10 <Halcyon> Like I said this thing can push out just over 3kW
29:25 <Halcyon> The solar so far does about 6.5kW but should do more in summer.
29:42 <Halcyon> PV is producting 3.9 kW at the moment
29:43 <alfbaz> shoudl do? did you just get it?
30:10 <Halcyon> I had an existing solar system for the past 5 years, that was rated to about 4.8 kW
30:20 <Halcyon> I just got more solar installed + the battery about 2 weeks ago
36:27 <alfbaz> Bloke at work use to do that shit for a living. Aparently you need extra tickets to do that work, cause you know us leco's dont understand dc
38:37 <Halcyon> It's probably more to do with connecting stuff to the grid
42:08 <alfbaz> maybe, although grid work requires some level of existing license which he didn't mention. I think it came about as a result of the pink bats fiasco
43:13 <alfbaz> just so you know i'm talking out my arse at the moment :P
43:32 <Halcyon> Obviously there are very strict rules about not feeding back to the grid at certain times, like if mains power fails
43:56 <Halcyon> Not only is there a risk of it going out of sync, but safety to whoever is working on the lines
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44:52 <Halcyon> I know previously before I had the battery, if mains failed, the solar inverter shuts off automatically
44:59 <Halcyon> Doesn't matter if you are generating power
45:22 <Halcyon> I think it still does that, except now, the battery acts as a UPS
46:37 <Halcyon> So it'll power circuits, but not feed back out to the grid at all
49:24 <alfbaz> That's a good point. Imagine line workers isolating the lines and somebody's feeding them. Lucky the earth the lines as part of the isolation procedure. It's a huge part of our HT work
50:01 <Halcyon> Oh of course and they would be trained with many safeguards in-place as well... I'm sure they treat every line as "live" all the time
51:23 <alfbaz> I repaired a charger for a friend I couldn't test it because a) didn't have a high enough DC source b) it needed to be isolated from the grid
51:36 <alfbaz> most likely me fixing it was illegal
51:52 <alfbaz> but hey it's still going :P
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51:54 <Halcyon> Heh probably *shrug*
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52:33 <Halcyon> But yeh, I'm done paying stupid high power bills
52:44 <alfbaz> amen
52:46 <Halcyon> I mean, it's all my fault, I have a server rack running 24/7
52:51 <Halcyon> But I like nice things :P
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53:46 <Halcyon> Hey electrohead, you around?
55:50 * alfbaz treats irc as note pad
55:58 <alfbaz> 850x2300
57:03 <electrohead> I am
57:13 <electrohead> was watching surgery videos >.<
57:27 <Halcyon> Why do we not get a hyperlink on Twitter reposts?
58:24 <electrohead> not sure, I'd have to get a debug print-out of all of the variables, to see what's available to parse
58:38 <rust_collector> YEAH! WHY! electrohead !!!??
58:44 <electrohead> well, err, the data returned
58:48 <Halcyon> Whenever you get time :) No rush
58:56 <Halcyon> I think Ysjoelfir brought it up yesterday
59:39 <alfbaz> He doesn't have time he's working on linking the bot to siri :P
59:51 <Halcyon> Pfft, he isn't an Apple noob
00:12 <alfbaz> lol is that noob or knob
00:18 <Halcyon> Either or :P
01:33 <alfbaz> Google's getting wierd. "Hey google what time is it?" "How old are you?"
02:04 <Halcyon> Why do you enable listening devices in your house? :P
02:53 <alfbaz> I don't it was meant as a joke since android phone keeps asking me on behalf of google
03:03 <Halcyon> Heh
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06:34 <electrohead> alright, debug sh'tuff inserted.
06:46 <electrohead> I'll check back on that tomorrow, then see what fields/data I need to add
06:48 <electrohead> :)
06:51 <Halcyon> Also electrohead why not use the virtual nickserv address thingy :P
07:12 <electrohead> ??
07:16 <electrohead> oh, a vhost?
07:29 <Halcyon> Yeh, I sent you the login details
07:44 <electrohead> oh oh, speaking of, I need to do something
07:50 <Halcyon> I know it's a minor thing, but still, it's there
08:06 <electrohead> and, ok, I'll prod gremlinz or another main admin to get that for me
08:57 <Halcyon> I already had one set up
09:28 <Halcyon> You just need to login on the bot before it joins the channel
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30:15 <Dave> Don't mind me, just testing
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07:12 <Ampera> my whacko IEC cables came in
07:26 <electrohead> finally
07:50 <electrohead> and you have bad timing, I was just fxing up a few minor things, then heading back to bed
08:03 <electrohead> EEVBot: give coffee to Ampera
08:04 * EEVBot hooks Ampera up to a coffee IV
08:11 <Ampera> 36 feet of 3 conductor 14AWG has some heaft to it
08:20 <electrohead> heh
09:15 <electrohead> alright, well, I'm heading back to bed
09:31 <Ampera> night
09:32 <electrohead> I'll be talking at you sometime tomorrow
09:34 * Ampera stabs Halcyon 
09:39 * electrohead face hugs Ampera
09:40 <Ampera> you mean later today
09:45 <electrohead> yes.
09:48 <electrohead> :p
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23:17 <Ampera> just installed one of my dual 10GbE cards into my desktop (was rebooting anyways)
23:46 <Ampera> it seems to have shifted around the network device names, so a start job for dhcpcd stalled until timeout, but I've since fixed that
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37:34 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
57:00 * Ampera hugs the Ysjoelfir 
57:03 <Ampera> how are you are you
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19:40 <Ysjoelfir> hi Ampera :) I am pretty fine, thanks. you?
19:58 <Ampera> good, just put a 10GbE card into my PC
20:02 <Ysjoelfir> also, why did my client decide to give the bot a new color? it was yellow before, now its baby blue
20:16 <Ysjoelfir> uh, nice :) welcome to the 10G club!
20:24 <Ysjoelfir> we're better than those 5G guys
20:27 <Ampera> nah, 20GbE, it's a dual port card
20:32 <Ampera> I'm better than you >:D
20:45 <Ysjoelfir> thats not hard
20:58 <Ampera> yes, and I'm not all that good to begin with
22:07 <Ysjoelfir> yay, so I am even more crappy!
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56:24 <DogWomble> i should probably upgrade to 10GigE
56:29 <DogWomble> really have no need for it though
56:58 <DogWomble> at the moment, my main traffic is a network-connected printer and my internet ;P
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54:51 <Lemon> helloo peeps
55:23 <Kuschelpony> Hello Lemon
56:13 <Lemon> its been 24 hours I havent smoked :>
57:25 <Kuschelpony> its past 100 years since someone in my family has smoked :)
57:43 <Kuschelpony> congratulations to your beginning of a healthier life
04:21 <Ysjoelfir> Great, Lemon! I am very proud of you. You will make it!
04:25 <Ysjoelfir> Also, Hi Lemon and Kuschelpony
04:45 <Lemon> hi bud :> thanks, I feel I can hold on !
04:56 <Lemon> I used some Champix, recommended by my addictologue
05:02 <Lemon> it was my last addiction
05:18 <Lemon> and I must say it works well, he said after 10 days I should stop and bam its exactly that
05:25 <Lemon> and I dont really feel the need
05:30 <steve30> o/
05:52 <Ysjoelfir> what is champix?
05:55 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve30
10:45 <Lemon> its a treatement to stop smoking that isnt filling you with nicotine, and got no side effects
10:54 <Lemon> you also stop it quickly, which is nice
18:25 <Kuschelpony> have you experience how well common (non metrology grade) electret condenser microphones behave at low frequency, say 10 to 30Hz when the datasheet specifies not much about that area? i wonder if i could use one to measure subwoofers
21:10 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, interesting, that sounds pretty usefull. how does it stop the nicotine... erm.... "not-havingness effects"?
21:45 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony I haven't, but I am pretty sure that I have some standard electrets here and i got my new subwoofer. AND I have a visitor who loves metrology, so.... do you want me to measure some?
21:54 <Lemon> I guess it acts on receptors in your brain, telling them "no you dont need anything, stahp" :>
22:44 <Kuschelpony> Ysjoelfir, does not need to be metrology grade, but if you could do some sanity check that would be interesting
23:26 <Kuschelpony> like if such an capsule (i need to pick a promising one ) would have just a very low smooth and consistent rolloff or something weird
26:12 <Ysjoelfir> ok :) Do you have a measurement setup in mind? I have eg. a power analyzer I could use to trace the output voltage over a frequency
28:11 <Kuschelpony> not really, just a sanity check if the microphone directly in front of the woofer cone gives a smooth curve
28:59 <Kuschelpony> i have some first results using "Room EQ Wizard" but not yet built a clean setup and perhaps dedicated amplifier box
29:55 <Kuschelpony> also i have not yet found out how to extract thielle small parameters if i have a pair of impedance curves with additional masses
30:01 <Ysjoelfir> ok. next thing to check: lets see if my memory is correct and if I still have the box of electrets
30:28 <Kuschelpony> ore when i have ordered one for me i can sent you this somewhat next months
31:03 <K> cant you use a subwoofer to measure low freq?
31:16 <K> (hello pancakes)
31:43 <Kuschelpony> K well there is a chicken and egg problem
31:59 <K> do you care for absolute or relative?
32:48 <K> don know that electret microphone freq response curves in datasheet will be that acurate
32:59 <Kuschelpony> i believe that the best is to have a microphone to begin with, as this is less likely to have hidden surprises, compared to for example with an selfmade subwoofere where i am not certain if the actual performance (like airtight and resonances) are correct with the simulation
33:12 <Kuschelpony> only relative
33:13 <K> no no, not self-made, stock one
33:40 <Kuschelpony> i have no stock stuff anywhere, most is selfmade or repaired and or frankensteined secondhand
33:47 <K> ah.
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34:16 <Kuschelpony> while my current speakers, the winter diy project appear to be fine, im curious what can be improved
34:17 <K> well then yea, sub speaker will likely be more expensive than a mic
35:16 <Kuschelpony> oh i also still have a pair of second hand 25cm woofers from an water damaged pioneer threeway, but not yet trusted to build something for them, consider a 2-way with them and a small wideranger
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38:04 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/n7aBTD.jpg I think I should have ample test objects
38:47 <rust_collector> morningsers
41:09 <rust_collector> oh, you are doing science things. that is nice
50:26 <K> https://www.ebay.com/itm/184814440408?hash=item2b07cc8fd8:g:UCQAAOSwARhgkZFj
50:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Behringer ECM8000 Ultra-Linear Measurement Condenser Microphone in original box | eBay
51:05 <K> price is soo good it is a bit sus
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52:57 <Ysjoelfir> so.. Kuschelpony, what do you think about this: I would send a sweep from 5 to x Hz through my subwoofer on maximum level. I place the microphones 30cm in front of it, add a blanket over it to reduce residual noise. microphones will be powered according to their datasheet specs (if available). I connect the output through a 1uF bipolar cap to the power analyzer, terminated with 47k. second channel of the analyzer goes to the input of the
52:58 <Ysjoelfir> sub. I plot the output level over the input frequency.
54:10 <Kuschelpony> yep, som,ething close similar to this, or even betetr if this works for you to place the microphone right in front of the speaker
54:23 <Kuschelpony> a blanket might not be needed at these tiny fractions of a wavelenght
54:49 <Ysjoelfir> Oh I can do that. I thought about placing them a bit afar to accomodate for the different case sizes and openings of the wave inputs
56:05 <Kuschelpony> no worries
59:06 <Kuschelpony> i dont want to push you into doing anything, just look out for some distraction, learn a bit more and try to arrange the next months a bit more ordered setup
59:56 <Ysjoelfir> nah, you don't push me into anything, I love doing stuff like that ^^
00:28 <Ysjoelfir> Even though I usually would bill people for doing work, but in this case I find it pretty interesting to see myself what the results are.
01:26 <Kuschelpony> hihi
02:21 <Kuschelpony> if my life takes a betetr turn somewhere in future i might also make more interestingprojects and maybe in cooperation with you, but mostly my electronic engineering interests have been dropped to not feel satisfied anymore while i am looking to explore other stuff
04:46 <Ysjoelfir> aw, that sounds sad. but I can relate (probably not for the same reason I guess?), I don't like doing any electronic hobby stuff at the moment, which is in my case because I just do so much electronics for my freelancing that I am just exhausted a bit. I have so many projects I would love to do, but meh. :D
05:05 <Ysjoelfir> but: You are very welcome, if said better turn takes place :)
06:48 <Kuschelpony> its probably more the kind of i open myself a bit more to make electronics again
07:22 <Kuschelpony> basically said, electronics engineering was the big hobby since pre-school days, something 35 years ago
08:35 <Kuschelpony> i just found the past about 15 years increasingly that this is not the only thing i need to be happy, and espically the past 5 years i totally turned to search for other activities that let me feel more directly the powers of nature and sensory experiences, while tinkering with electronics got a kind of boring time-fillers
09:40 <Kuschelpony> today im more looking to go to things like diving, or "flying" in "rope gardens" (dont know the right translation) or also some more adult stuff
10:15 <Kuschelpony> or just make long walkouts like in the mountains, to feel the wind and look out over hundreds of kilometers land below the mountasin
12:11 <rust_collector> Do you like climbing?
12:39 <Lemon> hey for a 2s battery pack (with 18650 cells) those things are good enough ? https://www.ebay.fr/itm/183863241537
12:40 <Kuschelpony> i do not yet know, perhaps not the kind of mountain climbing
12:41 <EEVBot> [Title] - 2S 3A 7.4v 8.4V 18650 BMS PCM protection charge batterie li-ion 4071Z | eBay
12:41 <Ysjoelfir> I can relate. Recently I started going out once a day, just like steve30 seems to do. Its so helpful to have a better general feeling. I started identifying plants, which I enjoy a lot. My grandpa was very knowledgeable in that regard, but I almost forgot everything, which makes me a bit sad. So I try to learn that now :P And do you have mountains in your region? Here in Frankfurt we only have flat land, I hate that xD I sooo miss the
12:42 <Ysjoelfir> "Bergisch Land" in the Ruhrgebiet where I grew up....
12:43 <Lemon> I mean, they do the job ?
13:12 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, that depends on what you want to do with those
13:23 <Lemon> ho low current stuff !
13:25 <Kuschelpony> but i had in 2019 some promising experience when i did visit a kind of "rope garden2 or how this is called, where you go along a parcours over high ropes across trees
13:27 <Ysjoelfir> those are NOT BMS. despite the chinese always claiming that.
13:27 <Lemon> just to balance 2s packs
13:35 <Lemon> hmmmm
13:46 <Ysjoelfir> thats just a protection circuit
14:01 <Lemon> ha ok, that means if I charge them it wont cut at the right voltage ?
14:10 <Lemon> whats the difference with a proper bms, ,it wont balance them ?
14:14 <Kuschelpony> Ysjoelfir, i do make walkouts almost everyday, live in a tiny village so its easy to go 5 to 10km around, like i did today 8km from the next shopping center to home
15:50 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/264826418334?_trkparms=aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20201210111314%26meid%3D437eee4e21074a1895b81fd7f86c4787%26pid%3D101195%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D264846342558%26itm%3D264826418334%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv9PairwiseUnbiasedWeb%26brand%3D-+Sans+marque%2FG%E9n%E9rique+-&_trksid=p2047675.c101195.m1851
15:51 <EEVBot> [Title] - 2S 10A 7.4V Li-ion Lithium LiPo 18650 Battery Charger BMS Protection PCB Board | eBay
15:53 <Lemon> oof big link
15:56 <Lemon> this maybe better ?
17:00 <Kuschelpony> i have no moiuntains in my region, just some hills and throughs, but i a had some happy holidays in the region from munic to austria where the big mountains start
17:48 <Kuschelpony> and for a good kick i dream of going ziplining when i can find a good combination of zipline installation and holiday plans
18:31 <Ysjoelfir> lemon, those are also only protection circuits IIRC. there is no controller on it to compare the voltages. I am not sure though, please read it up on those modules. a protection circuit just cuts off if the voltage exceeds Vmax, thats all. also if it goes under Vmin.
18:43 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony, that sounds exciting! though I would probably be to fat to do that :P
18:44 <Lemon> ha yes ok not what I want
19:42 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i am still a bit more weight that i would love to be for other reasons, but i am sure i can loose a few more kg the next half year
19:57 <Kuschelpony> yep, it must be interesting to be a flying horse literally :)
20:19 <Kuschelpony> hmmm, maybe you could make a hoiliday in poaralell with me one day :)
20:54 <Lemon> come to france, we'll walk ! I also need it :>
21:19 <Lemon> im a skinny fat guy, well not that skinny those days but slim with fat belly lol
21:41 <Lemon> when I was in the streets doing drugs I went down to 49kg for 1m81
21:49 <Lemon> now im 75kg, I never thought it'd be possible
21:56 <Lemon> my regular weight is around 60
22:09 <rust_collector> there are some ziplines here, over on the west side....
23:03 <Kuschelpony> hmm, im 175cm and currently again up to 80kg, was down to 79 in february, but also much higher in past years
23:06 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like great fun :D
23:13 <Kuschelpony> my ideal was about 70 some decades ago
23:28 <Ysjoelfir> so... I am basically your sice but 1.5 times you in weight
23:36 <Kuschelpony> Lemon, unfortunately im a bit away from france in that sh... erm conservative north bajuvaria
24:12 <Kuschelpony> but last year i did a ride in a TGV to Paris, just left the train already inb Kaiserslautern :)
24:28 <Kuschelpony> rustcollector, interesting
24:35 <Lemon> heh not too bad !
25:18 <Kuschelpony> it seerms a few have also grown the past 5 years in germany, but on most you sit upright in the harness and/or they have other things around which makes them unattractive for me, like beeing part of an path with other mandatory stations
25:19 <rust_collector> Kuschelpony https://www.vatnahalsen.no/en/flam-zipline
25:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Flåm Zipline | Vatnahalsen
25:59 <rust_collector> https://www.skigeilo.no/en/geilozipline
26:00 <EEVBot> [Title] - Geilo Zip Line | SkiGeilo
26:19 * Ysjoelfir still loves the place name "Geilo"
26:28 * Ysjoelfir also has a knife made in Geilo
26:38 <rust_collector> https://en.visitbergen.com/things-to-do/zipline-at-mt-ulriken-p1691093
26:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Zipline at Mt. Ulriken - visitBergen.com
26:59 <rust_collector> i have a pile of old screwdrivers from geilo
28:20 <Kuschelpony> looks nice, just a bit outside of my comfort zone of too distant cointries
29:15 <Kuschelpony> thats probably the most hardcore one in the area around germany and austria https://www.saalfelden-leogang.com/de/flying-fox-xxl
29:17 <EEVBot> [Title] - Flying Fox XXL in Leogang | Saalfelden Leogang
29:20 <rust_collector> well, it is there, when you feel like it. Ysjoelfir can tell you about the aggressive people up there
31:33 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i do not much care about other people as i stay away from crowds at all, but i have some internal issues related to lomg travels into unknown countries, unknown languages, no place i feel safe when i get the urge to flee
34:13 <rust_collector> well, that is up to you to decide, I won't push you into going there.
34:59 <Ysjoelfir> hehe, yes, the norwegian guys are always totally agressive :P
35:36 <Kuschelpony> oh its fine, i do not feel pushed in any way
35:38 <rust_collector> not much like being chased out of the woods by some drunk on a tractor
36:35 <Kuschelpony> fight back: https://i.etsystatic.com/22706275/r/il/5704fd/2483420631/il_794xN.2483420631_4ppw.jpg
36:54 <rust_collector> it is also not cheap up here, if you have to pay to get around, and such. But if you want to be left alone, we also have plenty of space, with pretty much no people
37:03 <rust_collector> hah
37:23 <Kuschelpony> hmm, my optimum would be neither of both exytrems
37:47 <rust_collector> I guess drunk guy on tractor could be slightly confused, if he saw a guy in armor
37:55 <Kuschelpony> neither left alone, nor in crowds, but like around some places to explore and perhaps events to attend
38:06 <Kuschelpony> hihi, thats the idea...
38:29 <rust_collector> Just out counting the reindeer
38:42 <rust_collector> in my armor
42:03 <Kuschelpony> btw: the second biggest mistake you can make is to buy that armor suit from a cheap india seller on Etsy
44:10 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir hey, you probably used those or maybe know, but looking at datasheet of lt1001 and opa277's, the 277 sounds better no ?
44:14 <rust_collector> I can not even the last time I bought regular clothes...
44:24 <Lemon> I dont understand why people use lt1001 mostly for vref
44:29 <Lemon> with a lm399ah for example
44:30 <rust_collector> it is hard enough to find something that fits in a store
45:25 <rust_collector> buying clothes online... I could just burn the money in stead
47:16 <rust_collector> talking about clothes, have they changed the sizes again? I have used xl t shirts for 20 years, but now I can not even get my arm out of the hole.
51:19 <rust_collector> weather guy says it is the last day before the rain season, so I guess I should go outside and finish something
51:45 <Kuschelpony> hmm, here it is the last day before sumemr heath
52:03 <rust_collector> have fun, I am going outside to get some nice chemical burns...
06:25 <rust_collector> ..............and it is raining.
06:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol
07:05 <Ysjoelfir> its going to be 26C here tomorrow.... right now its.... 13C?
07:23 <rust_collector> same here. now. probably not tomorrow
08:52 <Kuschelpony> similar here, except we have already 18°C
10:40 <rust_collector> My worst heat period was in germany. I remember it dropped below 30 at around 2 in the morning. very weird weather that time. super hot and stormy. power generator fan things were working hard to try to slow down
12:17 <Kuschelpony> seems you describe either 2003 or 2006
12:33 <rust_collector> 2003 sounds about right
13:08 <rust_collector> it was not long after 2000, and in 2005, I started this job, so it was probably 2003
13:52 <rust_collector> that was the time I discovered cola-beer which everyone drank a LOT of down in that area
14:30 <rust_collector> that is just not a thing here.
14:32 <Kuschelpony> yep then it was 2003, the first year of the recent series of heatwaves
14:47 <Kuschelpony> and the one i remember for barely dropping below 30°C in the night
15:39 <rust_collector> yes. I think I had the windows open all week, and we popped out the "sun roof" hatch. full flow!
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20:19 <Reg7805> hello everybody
20:23 <rust_collector> heyy
20:29 <Reg7805> how is everybody?
21:05 <rust_collector> everybody is unbelievably great today
21:13 <rust_collector> so, it could be worse
21:27 <Reg7805> good :)
22:06 <rust_collector> I was going to turn my skin into soap today, but it started raining, so I didn't bother
22:44 <Reg7805> what???
23:16 <rust_collector> it is no fun being outside in the rain
23:29 <rust_collector> temps are dropping too
24:14 <Reg7805> dont know if the day sunny or cold, stuck in house, doinng bloody assignments
24:26 <rust_collector> WOOHOO!
25:11 <Reg7805> yea, im writing about cable and connector types
25:15 <rust_collector> I do notice that I am completely ok with not going to school again
27:21 <electrohead> o/
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29:01 <rust_collector> morning mr head
30:09 <electrohead> moaning.
30:22 * electrohead rubs on rust_collector while moaning
30:25 <electrohead> :p
30:43 * rust_collector squeaks
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35:23 <electrohead> https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/08/us/cyberattack-colonial-pipeline.html
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37:12 <rust_collector> electrohead if you fix that, maybe you could get a job there
37:23 <electrohead> lol
37:27 <electrohead> that's an easy fix, too
37:28 <electrohead> >.<
37:51 <electrohead> and it can be fixed, as the following: ... take it off the public facing internet.
37:53 <electrohead> *solved*
39:13 <rust_collector> no no, mr boss wants to watch the graph on his ipad at home
39:53 <electrohead> f*ck the boss.
40:10 <rust_collector> just go in there, and snip the cable, lol "done"
41:52 <electrohead> I'd love to.
42:50 <rust_collector> that will be 32 million dollars, thankyou
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