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02:34 <gnif> Ysjoelfir: I do not manage the forum members or moderate it unless it's the server errors thread
02:55 <rust_collector> do you know if anyone here does?
03:04 <gnif> Halcyon does
03:14 <rust_collector> ok, then I will annoy him later
03:16 <rust_collector> thanks
03:29 <gnif> not sure if he can accept registrations
03:45 <rust_collector> no, but at least he probably knows who can
04:22 <gnif> Dave
04:40 <gnif> Simon is the other moderator, but again, I don't know if he can accept registrations
05:05 <gnif> we had to disable automatic registration due to a problem ex-member
06:04 <rust_collector> ok. yes I heard you had some issues getting hacked by the party
06:22 <K> bhh
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23:15 <electrohead> o/
24:01 <rust_collector> HELLO!
24:11 <electrohead> rust_collector: nothing was hacked, per say
24:38 <rust_collector> electrohead when was the last time I said something, being serious?
25:14 <electrohead> I have no idea
25:25 <rust_collector> aww.
25:41 <rust_collector> well, but thanks, it is nice to know nothing was hacked
25:50 <rust_collector> I was hoping you would know
26:06 * electrohead shakes the sarcasm out of rust_collector
26:44 * rust_collector turns to sarcastic dust
27:58 <rust_collector> haha! now you did it, part of me will be hiding in the little hard to get to spaces in all the corners, and behind furniture forever
29:44 <electrohead> I have an air compressor \o/
29:53 <electrohead> I'll just blow y.... umm
29:59 <electrohead> yeah
30:02 <electrohead> lmfao
31:11 <rust_collector> I am never going away... too late
31:49 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucd0hUwtoU4
31:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Turbonegro - Blow Me (Like The Wind) (Live Provinssirock) 02
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35:07 <electrohead> what a song
36:40 <rust_collector> so, you are not in the turbojugend, I guess?
39:04 <electrohead> I guess not :P
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46:22 <rust_collector> you have to have heard about them? they were pretty knows a while ago
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56:16 <Kuschelpony> lol of the day:
56:28 <Kuschelpony> you dont need to worry about ESD damage when you buy our chips
56:34 <Kuschelpony> we already take care iof this for you
56:38 <Kuschelpony> :)
57:19 <rust_collector> awesome idea! pre-zapped chips
57:21 <electrohead> so they pre-zap the ICs?
57:21 <Lemon> I always wondered something
57:27 <electrohead> lmao
57:28 <electrohead> nice :p
57:36 <Lemon> I see theres an ESD version of the knipex cutter I have
57:48 <Lemon> but what are the odds ?
58:04 <rust_collector> 7... maybe 7.2
58:08 <Lemon> I mean I always followed a simple rule my father told me, that is to touch something grounded prior to do anything sensitive
58:22 <Lemon> and I never fried anything, neither did he, in 30-35 years
58:49 <Kuschelpony> well to be honest for my own projects at home i do the same, have no "true" ESD mat
58:53 <rust_collector> well, they say you can cause some damage, and still have it working... ao...who knows?
59:22 <Lemon> yeah maybe for the hell of it I'll buy one of those cheap esd bracelet
59:26 <Lemon> but for the knipex, hmmm
59:30 <Lemon> what does it changes ?
59:34 <rust_collector> unless I get into something serious, I will not worry about it
59:35 <Lemon> its treated ?
59:53 <Kuschelpony> thats right, can lead to increased leakage currents, slightly less gain or more noise in transistors, or increased odds of random failure later, but i have not yet seen issues in hobby level poroject
00:00 <Kuschelpony> however at work i do care...
00:57 <Kuschelpony> the bracelets or a "random earting" are not the real solution, waht you need is not "earth" but equipotential of all parts
01:47 <Lemon> how to achieve that ?
02:42 <Kuschelpony> i meant, to no randomly connect things here or there to some kind of earth, but to have a common point where you connect the bracelet (throug the safety resistors), the soldering iron, the ESD mat if you have one, and the PE connector of the mains
03:46 <Kuschelpony> so all parts are connected to a common point and can not have any charge difference that could flow through components
04:01 <rust_collector> leave the little baggies of parts on the mat for a minute, maybe?
04:05 <Lemon> hmmm but I mean, if the soldering iron and the rest are connected to mains, technically its to the same point ?
04:22 <Kuschelpony> yep
04:58 <Lemon> alright so in that case, if I get one of those fancy mats/bracelet
05:01 <Lemon> I can connect them here
05:02 <Kuschelpony> but not connected to the mains like the power lines to the heating element, instead the casing to the protective earth
05:08 <Kuschelpony> yep
05:19 <Lemon> heh ok
05:25 <Lemon> ho well we'll see
05:28 <rust_collector> get one of those wireless esd bracelets
05:29 <Lemon> im not too worried anyway
05:34 <Lemon> lol yes
05:36 <Lemon> best ones
05:43 <Kuschelpony> its not the absolute earth potential, but to have everything in your room at the same potential
06:16 <Lemon> but a second thing
06:25 <Lemon> what differ between those two knipex cuters ?
06:29 <Lemon> esd and non esd version
06:39 <rust_collector> the esd safe ones are slightly conductive
06:54 <Kuschelpony> right!
07:02 <Lemon> haa so if you use them with a bracelt
07:03 <rust_collector> like an esd mat
07:05 <Lemon> ok
07:07 <Kuschelpony> im pretty sure you can measure some megaohms
07:08 <Lemon> I see thanks
07:15 <Lemon> hmmm megaohms
07:23 <Lemon> thats a few digits
07:26 <Lemon> and I like digits
07:38 <rust_collector> many zeros Lemon... this is your sort of thing
07:46 <Lemon> yessss
08:05 <Lemon> ho I saw a device that can measure up to 20x10e18 ohms
08:15 <Lemon> but I forgot the model
08:22 <Lemon> exaohms ?
08:26 <Lemon> after peta what is it
08:28 <Lemon> I forgot too
08:37 <rust_collector> that seems almost unusable, lol
09:04 <Lemon> yeah I wonder what would you measure
09:09 <Lemon> super good insulators maybe ?
09:13 <rust_collector> you probably have to weld the probes on, and send it into space to get the same measurement twice
09:20 <Lemon> ho ye
09:27 <Lemon> accuracy was like 10%
09:36 <Lemon> its probably just to give you an idea at that stage
09:51 <Lemon> but I saw some that goes up to petaohms with quite decent accuracy, under 1%
09:53 <rust_collector> I think, for super good insulators, you would just crank up the voltage until it goes thru, and measure that
09:54 <Lemon> thats impressive
10:31 <Lemon> well technically
10:34 <Lemon> it does that ?
10:41 <Lemon> but it just measures a super small current
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10:55 <Lemon> instead of sending 10kv
11:05 <rust_collector> 10kv is nothing
11:38 <Lemon> its an example yes
12:22 <Kuschelpony> for super good isolators, you connect an instrument to measure the static charge and look at the watch how fast it decys
13:11 <Kuschelpony> so like petaohms * picofarads leads to minutes
13:54 <Kuschelpony> (needs being super dry, dark and away from anything radioactive)
14:39 <Kuschelpony> i need to bhe off for some minutes, see you back
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15:30 <rust_collector> measuring such small values is one of those things I don't get at all...
17:32 <Lemon> mostly challenge rusty
17:48 <Lemon> the aspect of reaching insane accuracy at the amateur level is quite interesting for me
18:05 <Lemon> but yeah ofc in regular electronic hobby you dont need insane accuracy
18:15 <Lemon> actually my 4.5 digit keithley is what I use the most those days
18:33 <Lemon> heh I just got curious on how many ohms my fluke 101 decides theres continuity or not
19:12 <rust_collector> for you, maybe. but I still wonder how useful such tiny measurements would be for anything, because if you disconnect a wire, and plug it back in, the measurement would probably change by 30%, lol
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19:33 <Lemon> answer is under 88 ohms
19:51 <rust_collector> that... is quite a bit
20:44 <Lemon> yes lol
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21:16 <Lemon> and for repetability, it depends
21:34 <Lemon> for example with my two bigbois
21:41 <Lemon> its pretty repeatable
21:49 <Lemon> depends how shady is the rig, ofc
21:55 <Lemon> but with proper connections etc its fine
22:00 <Lemon> but I agree its not insane accuracy
22:18 <rust_collector> sure, but you do not measure micro ultra 100millionth of an ohm with those
22:18 <Lemon> with an electrometer at femto or attoamps thats a differents tory, but I saw some nice repetability
24:40 <rust_collector> well, not that it matters. I hope those who do such things knows what they do
24:56 <Lemon> yeah
40:31 <rust_collector> I should maybe figure out something for dinner.
43:34 <Lemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2M-p-OGvPg
43:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Ultimate Continuity Tester
43:39 <Lemon> thats interesting
43:46 <Lemon> I understand at least 0.17%
43:53 <Lemon> but it got leds and beeps !
46:00 <rust_collector> oh yes, you should try that, and add a pi, and an oled with some menus
55:55 <rust_collector> i wonder if potato salad works with wienerslices
42:25 <rust_collector> but no, soup today
05:58 <rust_collector> mmmmm yeast extract. that sounds sooo good
07:24 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir don't you have some kind of thing to use as a spot welder?
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53:41 <Ysjoelfir> nope. but I made the thing.
53:49 <Ysjoelfir> otoh.. I have actually a thing that can spot weld
53:49 <rust_collector> woohoo!
53:56 <rust_collector> hah
54:07 <Ysjoelfir> a weld..... thing... erm... wth is that now in english
54:18 <Ysjoelfir> a welder that is used to weld nuts and bolts to sheetmetal
54:23 <rust_collector> right
54:30 <rust_collector> ie, a spot welder
54:57 <Ysjoelfir> it is basically a spot welder, yes. But it has a gun shaped welding.....thing, so doing "real" spotwelding with that could be problematic
54:59 <rust_collector> stud zapper thing
55:09 <rust_collector> oyes
59:10 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, that thing.
59:15 <Ysjoelfir> but for free...
59:32 <Ysjoelfir> idea was actually to build a spot welder attachment for that, somehow
00:44 <rust_collector> where does it ground? does it just have a spring or something, that you press against the panel?
02:06 <Ysjoelfir> it has not one, but two regular welding ground clamps, and additionally on the gun three sharp pointy contacts around the stud....adapter...thing, which I think are grounded as well.
03:45 <rust_collector> I used a hinge, 2 wooden boards, and a piece of random metal on each end, then tapped those to m5, and used mig contact tips as contact points.
05:38 <rust_collector> yes, it is ugly, and probably larger than it should have been
06:17 <rust_collector> but, it ended up working not at all, as the welder is too smart, and thinks I stuck an electrode
15:42 <Ysjoelfir> It sounds like a good way actually
16:00 <rust_collector> yeah, it shoudl just be done better
16:45 <rust_collector> I mean, you just need a huge one of those 4 wire clip things Lemon was nagging about
18:01 <rust_collector> but you could probably make something with 2 rods, as that thing is probably limited to relatively thin material? not sure?
20:03 <Ysjoelfir> I think it goes up to 4mm actually
20:26 <Ysjoelfir> it hat 6 (?) huge ass caps in there
20:33 <Lemon> what was it
20:36 <Lemon> lemme read
21:04 <Lemon> hmmm what was that 4 wire clip thing ?
21:14 <Lemon> I just got my wire stripper btw, im really happy, it works well
21:28 <Lemon> and im also happy that I took a model where you can adjust the depth/length
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26:39 <Dude> g'day
27:02 Nick: Dude is now known as TheDude
31:18 <Lemon> hi !
31:34 <Lemon> rust_collector I think I stripped every wires, its out of control
32:13 <TheDude> I wasted some money today \o/
33:06 <rust_collector> I would not doubt that, Lemon
33:15 <rust_collector> and good job, TheDude
33:28 <TheDude> I bought an egg incubator thingamabob
33:33 <Lemon> its really super freaking nice, I love it
33:40 <TheDude> to use as a thermal test chamber :D
33:43 <Lemon> an egg incubator thingamabob
33:49 <Lemon> show us show us
34:05 <TheDude> I'm now watching eevblog 101 to see what Dave did with it back then
34:10 <Ysjoelfir> nice dude!
34:22 <TheDude> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002101122304.html
34:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Incubation Box Eggs Digital Incubator Automatic Suitable for Hatching Snake Lizards Reptile Breeding Box with LED lighting|Wood Routers| - AliExpress
34:40 <TheDude> although I'd want to strip all of the electronics out of this one
34:58 <TheDude> do a test on what is the max dT I can comfortably achieve with it
35:16 <TheDude> possibly improve the thermal insulation
35:27 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, I am done with the plastics thing. The nylon is perfect for this application imho. It is a bit flexible and is pretty good stuck in the funnel. So I think that is a good solution, no "real" need to make that again in alu.
35:29 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/152OkdNo56nFfjsBbzJjyoa0qPp9VdtZx/view?usp=sharing
35:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
35:30 <TheDude> and then do a custom temperature regulator
35:43 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/151_vUjZBwC5OAdtfKeHct5UCIO7vGZSM/view?usp=sharing
35:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
35:54 <rust_collector> is that a mis-assembled mini fridge, with a peltier installed backwards?
36:26 <Ysjoelfir> it looks like one :D could be pretty cool to use
36:45 <TheDude> there is no backwards on a peltier
36:49 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir whatever you are happy with. so it is just pressed into the hole?
36:55 <TheDude> it's a perfectly reversible component
37:19 <TheDude> but yeah, essentially it's the same thing
37:25 <Lemon> thats a damn nice idea TheDude
37:28 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, its pressed in and I glued it in additionally, for good measure.
37:28 <Lemon> you guys should stop
37:31 <Lemon> im getting poor
37:34 <rust_collector> but a fridge is not perfectly reversible, if you want it to fridge-ify
37:52 <TheDude> alright, okay
38:07 <TheDude> this thing is supposed to be capable of cooling and heating, though
38:08 <rust_collector> it does look very much like a mini fridge
38:12 <Lemon> btw rusty /Ysjoelfir, the guy said that 80 euros is fine for that https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/1931183774.htm
38:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
38:15 <TheDude> like the default controller thing in it
38:17 <rust_collector> ok, that is cool
38:24 <rust_collector> or warm
38:36 <TheDude> it's just that the regulation is a bit eh...
38:44 <Lemon> I saw a smaller model without the tunable last decade, its full of vishay oil filled 0.005% resistors...
38:57 <rust_collector> Lemon .......
39:15 <Lemon> how can I say no to this, a single resistor is probably worth 20 bucks :(
39:18 <rust_collector> ...... ..... .. .... ............. ... ....
39:26 <rust_collector> ....... ...... .... ... ...... .... ....
39:34 <Lemon> I asked him for a picture of resistors themselves, to see if anything is blown up
39:47 <Lemon> but if its really the resistors like the other model, damn
40:10 <TheDude> looks nice
40:28 <Ysjoelfir> cool. buy it and send it to me
40:35 * electrohead waves
40:36 <Lemon> its a model 1303, I found pictures of 1302 but not this one
40:42 <Ysjoelfir> hi mr. head
40:48 <Lemon> hi !
46:18 <Lemon> but that thermal thingie for lizard is a super good idea
46:38 <Lemon> I wanted a small thermaly controlled thing for resistors, small voltage standards
46:46 <Lemon> but the price will be probably as high as this
47:15 <Lemon> so if for a bit more (for insulation etc) I can have a big one, I'll think about it next month or so
47:20 <Ysjoelfir> I still think that I should turn my small cocacola fridge into a thermal chamber. but its a compressor fridge, so I would need to add heaters in there instead of just switching it around
51:52 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i would not use heaters but peltier elements
52:04 <Kuschelpony> in a full bridge you can drive them to heat and cool seamlessy
52:17 <Kuschelpony> and heating is of course more than 100% efficient
52:34 <TheDude> yup
52:48 <TheDude> but not just H-bridge
52:52 <TheDude> but also LC filtering
53:23 <TheDude> because the efficiency goes to shit with non-DC currents, apparently
56:24 <Kuschelpony> oh i implicited this
57:02 <Kuschelpony> must be close to pure DC as the peltier is equivalent to an temperature proportional voltage source with little resistance in series
57:06 <T3sl4> electrohead: here's an on-topic pick https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/590/526168/
57:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - Thumbprint Triple 5 | New Glarus Brewing Company | BeerAdvocate
57:20 <T3sl4> haven't cracked one open yet but it sounds alright
57:33 <T3sl4> i also got some dragon's milk, because :P
58:59 <electrohead> T3sl4: oooo
59:01 <TheDude> Kuschelpony, not that little resistance, really
59:02 <electrohead> that looks good
59:49 <Kuschelpony> hmm, the last i have seen, a 40*40mm one for 12V about 5A had about 0,8 Ohms
00:31 <Kuschelpony> a DC coupled class D audio amp should be the ready solution to drive that thing
00:51 <T3sl4> they are a reasonably ideal thevenin source, yes
01:21 <TheDude> I just now started looking into it, you two are right
02:55 <T3sl4> and yeah, filtering is better so you aren't wasting AC ripple in the resistance
03:00 <Kuschelpony> a while ago i had the same problem with a DC motor in an appliance
03:15 <Lord_of_nothing> Herr Kuschel wie gehts?
03:17 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRTQ1iK8fAY
03:18 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: TURBOBIER - Arbeitslos (OFFIZIELLES VIDEO)
03:19 <Kuschelpony> T3sl4, its not just wasting, its huge wasting
03:26 <Kuschelpony> a while ago i had the same problem with a DC motor in an appliance
03:39 <TheDude> but that shouldn't be the same
03:51 <TheDude> DC motors by default have massive inductances
04:01 <TheDude> so it doesn't matter if you PWM the shit out of them
04:08 <Kuschelpony> that motor ran either full speed on an unfiltereed bridge rectifier (went warm) or "half speed" from halfwave rectification (went warmer and blowed fuses)
04:20 <Kuschelpony> it DOES matter under some hundred Hz
04:24 <T3sl4> heh
04:40 <Lord_of_nothing> Willst dein Mofa frisieren?
04:41 <T3sl4> at those freqs, it won't run continuous current
05:33 <TheDude> yeah, I'd want to keep it at like 15-20kHz
31:37 * electrohead continuously runs current through T3sl4
32:04 <Kuschelpony> hm, maybe we should clarify
32:07 * T3sl4 alternates electrohead's voltage
32:26 <Kuschelpony> series motors, universal motors, have massiv inductance and therefore can be well PWMed at low frequeny
32:42 <Kuschelpony> permanent magnet motors have very low inductivity
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33:24 <TheDude> yeah, but low frequency PWM is noisy
33:28 <TheDude> so fuck that
33:28 <T3sl4> even those might not do well with half wave pulsed DC, also, if they forgot to put in a catch diode it'll be all kinds of mush
34:06 <T3sl4> and yeah, 10s kHz is usually enough for PM too
35:09 <TheDude> we run our motor drives at 10kHz
35:31 <TheDude> you can still hear them, but it's tolerable
35:49 <TheDude> any lower than that and it's just annoying as fuck
36:08 <Kuschelpony> the half wave thing ducked fro a different reason
36:54 <Kuschelpony> it was that the motor ran below the speed corresponding to the peak voltage, so it ran with a huge current crest factor
37:18 <Kuschelpony> yep 10kHzt is high wnough for most things, or just add an external inductor
37:37 <TheDude> nah
37:59 <TheDude> the motors themselves have enough inductance for it to be fine
39:08 <T3sl4> well, can save some core loss
39:34 <T3sl4> also, mandatory for uncommitted wiring (could be unshielded)
39:51 <TheDude> eh, the core losses because of current ripple are absolutely negligible compared to just normal core losses
40:23 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/841749433128452096/20210511_144823.jpg
40:30 <Ampera> BEEF
40:53 <TheDude> shouldn't there be other stuff in there as well?
41:04 * T3sl4 mustards Ampera
41:44 <T3sl4> yeah, a beefstack even half that height deserves saurkraut and melted swiss, at a minimum
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44:55 <Halcyon> T3sl4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lIRGyhpEuU
44:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Alpha pigeon doesnt care
45:06 <T3sl4> stupid bird
47:26 <electrohead> https://thepoorstudenthobbyist.com/2021/03/16/gba-sp-in-an-original-game-boy-case/
47:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Game Boy Advance SP in an Original Game Boy | The Poor Student Hobbyist
49:01 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
50:52 <rust_collector> hey lord Halcyon
51:31 <rust_collector> do you have anything to do with enabling new accounts on the forum?
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20:49 <T3sl4> heh, doing a little programming on PC for a change. it occurs to me it's the first time i've used gdb, and the first time in many years i used a debugger at all, and the last one i used was either DEBUG.EXE or GRDB
25:20 <rust_collector> quick basic yay
26:42 * T3sl4 CALLs rust_collector's ABSOLUTE
26:52 <rust_collector> hello?
27:16 <rust_collector> eelllooooo?
27:31 <T3sl4> oops, segfault
34:17 * electrohead sigkill's T3sl4
34:36 <rust_collector> 9! 9!
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05:59 <rust_collector> https://snipboard.io/54RuWP.jpg
06:21 <rust_collector> https://snipboard.io/IEJkBg.jpg
07:02 <electrohead> whoops.
07:17 <T3sl4> pretty
07:22 <rust_collector> I am looking thru random sd cards, lol
17:16 <Ysjoelfir> I did that recently as well, but dirn't find much interesting stuff
17:43 <Ysjoelfir> also.... that looks like some nice decoration you got there, rusty :P
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19:18 <rust_collector> If is am not remembering wrong, that guy had washed and tidied up that truck on a friday, and left the door open over the weekend. he was not very happy on monday
19:32 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D
19:39 <Ysjoelfir> I assume mr. boss wasn't as well?
20:18 <rust_collector> mr boss does not care.
20:33 <Ysjoelfir> oh. well, then happy you :D
20:42 <Ysjoelfir> or.. happy your workmate
21:08 <rust_collector> well, both the truck and him has been retired. it was a little while ago
21:23 <Ysjoelfir> aww
21:35 <rust_collector> I think both have moved south somewhere
22:24 <rust_collector> so that old volvo is probably trundling around in botswana or something, and he is stumbling around thailand-land, probably
27:43 <Ysjoelfir> why would you move there?
28:33 <rust_collector> I think he owned a rubber tree farm there
28:53 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a valid reason to go there actually
30:06 <rust_collector> with a pension from here, and the cost of things there, I think he does ok. anything he makes from the farm is just a bonus
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34:19 <rust_collector> TA DAA!
34:40 <rust_collector> clarkos is back and back and back
36:01 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds actually not like the worst plan for retirement I have heard of.
36:57 <rust_collector> thailand-land looks like a nice enough place.
37:45 <rust_collector> I think it is on the warmer side. I am not sure if I would survive there
43:14 <Ysjoelfir> I wouldn't
43:16 <Ysjoelfir> definitely
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49:42 <rust_collector> quitter
57:54 <Ampera> ended up selling my car today
57:57 <rust_collector> I wonder how long the rgb tree will run on that old powerbank. That thing has not been charged in at least 2 years
58:02 <rust_collector> oop. ok?
58:09 <Ampera> 93 Buick Regal, starter on it went, and it's in a real stupid spot
58:24 <Ampera> so it'd take a thousand bucks easily to get someone to tow it, take a bunch of shit out of there, replace it, whatever
58:28 <Ampera> so I got 450 bucks for it
58:46 <rust_collector> oh well
59:13 <Ampera> My grandfather gave it to me, and it was my great grandfather's car
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59:30 <Ampera> was looking forward to driving it a little bit, but it's probably good I never did
00:02 <Reg7805> hello everybody, how is are yous?
00:15 <rust_collector> when you look at a different car, stay away from anything with the cadillac northstar engine, as they have the starter under the intake, iIrc, among other issues
00:36 <rust_collector> there is something to things that has been in the family
00:54 <rust_collector> hey Reg7805
01:36 <rust_collector> so, are you going to buy an excursion, or a canyonero?
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07:47 <rust_collector> a hit and miss engined atv. that has to suck, lol
08:47 <Ampera> clarkos, please fix your connection
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24:39 * rust_collector wonders what kind of stuff Lemon is looking at on lebondong, and why hsn hates everyone today
24:52 <Lemon> ho nothing much
25:16 <rust_collector> dwarf porn?
25:23 <Lemon> im thinking about that vishay box
25:30 Mode: (by ChanOP) +b *!*@1.152.9B83F2.1CEE72
25:31 <Lemon> if its in good state, I will take it I think
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26:01 <Ampera> good night
26:09 <rust_collector> good night
26:25 <Lemon> seems lots of peeps got the same issue as I had
26:36 <rust_collector> dwarf porn?
26:45 <Lemon> you cant connect sometimes, or it instantly disconnect you and retry
27:14 <rust_collector> oh, I thought you meant your other "issues"
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37:38 <rust_collector> heh, the little aaaa cells inside the 9v battery has the nub on the negative end. is that normal?
38:18 <rust_collector> hmm, looks like it is
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53:51 <Lemon> hhrmmmmm
53:56 <rust_collector> heh
54:21 <Lemon> I got a very weird private message
54:42 <Lemon> from a person called rust_collector
54:43 <rust_collector> weird. you should report it
54:54 <Lemon> already did, for sexual harassement
55:02 <rust_collector> kinky
56:12 <rust_collector> oh well, at least you know someone wants you
56:59 <Lemon> I guess yeah
00:10 <rust_collector> have you ever tried to cut thru a "hyperX" keyboard? it is pretty tough stuff
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00:43 <rust_collector> i almost feel like sawing it off.
03:16 <Lemon> hehhh no, I do have a hyperX headphone tho
03:20 <Lemon> but never cut through it
04:03 <rust_collector> I want a row of buttons, so a strip of keyboard should work
05:36 <rust_collector> and they have nice enough buttons. I think they will work ok, and survive being pressed a few times
14:20 <rust_collector> now, did you order that thing?
17:08 <rust_collector> well, good night, and have a good weekend
18:53 <hsn> rust_collector: im so full of food and unhateful
19:02 <rust_collector> oh, good
20:01 <rust_collector> have a full and unhateful weekend, hsn. be nice to someone
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24:10 <hsn> No
24:26 <hsn> U dont leaf me
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26:29 <MrMobodies> Hello
27:03 <T3sl4> o/
28:13 <MrMobodies> quite annoying I do stuff for people, they sideline my advice until it is too late
28:22 <MrMobodies> and it still goes wrong
28:40 <MrMobodies> I'll continue but will document how it goes wrong and see where I am going wrong
28:53 <MrMobodies> in not being convincing enough
29:21 <MrMobodies> and they are also scared I am going to charge them per hour which is why they are shy
29:42 <MrMobodies> and believe they have to pay me by hour to be fair to me which they may not afford
30:02 <MrMobodies> but for things like this, intermittent fault, I won't charge anything really
30:30 <T3sl4> nah, charge them full rate
30:40 <MrMobodies> just put in a minipc, HG612 modem in bridge and a router with DSLSTATS, so when the fault occurs and engineers to turn up they have a leg to stand on
30:46 <T3sl4> it's their fault if they paid for advice that they didn't follow
30:53 <T3sl4> more cost, more meaningful
31:03 <MrMobodies> aaah, that advice was free at the puv
31:07 <MrMobodies> *pub
31:12 <T3sl4> clients that can't afford, are probably subject to the stupid tax anyway
31:28 <T3sl4> i.e. not worth the time, and will just bumble something else and so on
31:43 <jaymax> Yup, if you discount the big screwup, there's no financial incentive to learn.
31:55 <MrMobodies> I also had customers in the past who moved, call me in after the decorations and wonder why their wifi don't go far enough
32:07 <MrMobodies> you are so right
32:10 <MrMobodies> not worth the time
32:41 <MrMobodies> One time I actually had my way in a big house and the personal cost arguing with people was not worth it
32:49 <jaymax> If anything, give a discount when they follow your advice but need that bit of help to do it.
33:42 <MrMobodies> well those people are lucky, they thanked me 2 years later when they found they could not do without the work cables I ran for them
34:16 <MrMobodies> I think I have been a bit of a fool really
34:52 <MrMobodies> trying to help but they don't understand. so what you saying, if I charge them, they'd take me more seriously?
36:36 <MrMobodies> makes me think of a term "it id in the language of money linked to the appreciation of that advice"
37:41 <jaymax> If it costs them much more for ignoring advice and (on a separate occasion) they had to pay out very little when they took your advice, pocketbooks eventually impact decisions in a better way for your own sanity.
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40:02 <MrMobodies> Jaymax: "they had to pay out very little when they took your advice" aaaah, either they didn't have the means to take it seriously/ or never intended for it to work right and they are just playing games and suckering many people into a quick fix even if it involves bullshit mystery explanations.
40:31 <jaymax> Not dissimilar to "vote with your wallet" principles or how Louis Rossmann talks about great returns with a heavy focus on customer service to make money in the long term - beyond the immediate sale.
40:32 <MrMobodies> thank you very much looks like i have been played a fool for too long.
40:52 <MrMobodies> aaaah "vote with your wallet"
41:05 <MrMobodies> He also speaks about "Salty customers"
41:39 <MrMobodies> when they work on something, mess it up and don't expect him to fix it (indirect in the notes) when Louise get's they stuff
42:27 <jaymax> Of course there are those who abuse good faith. But no need as a business to make money through bad faith services - that's his claim to success
43:09 <jaymax> But I'm either missing something important, or my opinion has too much resistance to mean anything.
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48:00 <T3sl4> it's a not-uncommon story that giving free help to japanese people often goes unheeded, but charged, it works
48:38 <T3sl4> i would suggest not making light of mistakes, discounting if they do the right thing or whatever-- reminding customers of their potential shortcomings isn't a great strategy
49:11 <T3sl4> i guess, whether they realize that was why they got the discount or not, ymmv
55:05 <T3sl4> better might be to offer a discount to repeat customers, particularly to the ones that deserve it
09:50 <MrMobodies> how about charging familyu
09:54 <MrMobodies> ahh this is another one
09:59 <MrMobodies> my sister is buying a small house
10:08 <MrMobodies> she is going to use one room as an office to work from home
10:21 <MrMobodies> it had bare bricks in there
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10:45 <MrMobodies> I said to her to ask the builders to run some cables and email it across
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11:04 <MrMobodies> she said I can go in two weeks, I replied that'd to be too late, "okay I'll ask the builder
11:15 <MrMobodies> she asked them "two weeks later" when they plastered everything
11:59 <MrMobodies> the telephone entry I see in the plans is downstairs
12:42 <MrMobodies> the builder told her this bullshit "You internet and wifi is going to be so powerful you won't need cables, it'll be more powerful than the cables themselves"
12:56 <T3sl4> the joke goes, charge family double or triple or something
12:59 <MrMobodies> I don't know why but that statement really upset me
13:12 <MrMobodies> what the builder said I mean to my sister
13:54 <MrMobodies> if I was there, why they do think they put masts on towers
14:02 <MrMobodies> and you guarantee it will work
14:03 <T3sl4> that's maybe more just a cautionary tale not to give anyone special preference because of their relationship, so a more practical standard might be, if you know they're reasonable, charge normally; if they're going to beg and whine and complain, don't give them the chance
15:10 <MrMobodies> I said your next point of call from now one for when it goes wrong is the builder who gave you that wild claim, I am going to have nothing to do it.
15:51 <MrMobodies> and I know someone can run you cables from the outside of the building, if you do that, get it done then we talk.
16:17 <MrMobodies> You are right... I don't charge enough to be taken seriously
16:51 <MrMobodies> and those who are willing to pay the price will be more likely to take it seruously.
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38:56 * electrohead bops in
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55:01 * T3sl4 twists electrohead
03:38 * electrohead gets twsited
03:43 <electrohead> twisted*
03:51 <electrohead> would help to type correctly
04:53 <electrohead> bed time for this guy, though
04:55 <electrohead> g'night o/
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30:15 * alfbaz enjoys T3sl4's hug and wonders how you do DHess_US's thing
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24:41 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir 
30:38 <K> hello hedgehogs
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34:04 <T3sl4> tails!
51:00 <hsn> elloh K
54:27 <K> hsn
54:35 <K> does s in hsn stand for "sand" ?
00:30 <T3sl4> stoats mcgoats https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/naast6/oh_god_whats_oh/
00:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - reddit: the front page of the internet
02:39 <hsn> high sand slave K
02:46 <hsn> no
02:50 <hsn> last is n
02:54 <hsn> high sand nerd
06:31 <K> huge ?
09:39 <hsn> humangous
53:49 <Halcyon> Evening all
55:57 <T3sl4> mornin homunculus
56:39 <Halcyon> Hey T3sticls
57:01 <T3sl4> :)
57:24 <Halcyon> How you doing?
57:32 <T3sl4> kinda tired
57:37 <Halcyon> Surprise surprise you are up
57:38 <Halcyon> Hehe
57:43 <Halcyon> Well then :P
58:00 * Halcyon prods electrohead awake
58:07 <T3sl4> i wanted to do a bit more programming today but it's slow reading through win32 api
01:40 <Halcyon> I bought some more Kangaroo jerky
01:43 <Halcyon> It's quite delicious
02:32 <T3sl4> i read that as "jelly" and wondered what new bestial hell you were into now
02:42 <Halcyon> Yes, kangaroo jelly
02:48 <Halcyon> Full of meaty goodness
03:07 * T3sl4 steals and noms a piece
03:19 <Halcyon> It's quite spicy and flavoursome
03:37 <Halcyon> If you care to finally send me your postal address, I shall send you some. I need to send some out to electrohead
08:17 <Lemon> hi peeps
08:29 <Halcyon> Herro Remon
08:36 * T3sl4 puts a marshmallow bunny-ish-thing on Lemon's head
09:37 <K> y u program win32
09:40 <K> it icky
09:44 <T3sl4> ye
14:50 <T3sl4> trouble is, windows is holding my serial port hostage, so...
15:26 <T3sl4> i'm just gonna make a basic console app to do it, namely retrieve screenshots from my scope to save me from doing by terminal
16:16 <T3sl4> probably only need a half dozen functions to do it, i just don't know any of them so, it's slow :P
20:13 <Halcyon> T3sl4, Windows wont let you use serial?
20:41 <T3sl4> Halcyon, port 0x3f8's don't grow on usb trees
21:13 <T3sl4> even if they did i'd need to install giveio to access it
21:39 <Halcyon> Ah
21:51 * steve30000 bought an out of date chicken balti from M&S for lunch
21:53 <T3sl4> i should probably just use fopen("COMxx") tho i don't know if that lets you control port settings
22:06 <Halcyon> Something like this would work: https://www.startech.com/en-au/cards-adapters/pex2s553
22:07 <Halcyon> ?
22:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - 2 Port PCIe Serial Adapter Card w/ 16550 - Serial Cards & Adapters | Australia
22:42 <T3sl4> saw one post that looks very different under *nix (IOCTLs and shit) so it's probably not going to work in *Doz and i'm thumbing through win32 instead
22:48 <T3sl4> *shrug*
23:27 <T3sl4> technically i already have a COM1, don't recall where it is on the motherboard, i certainly don't have it exposed on an external connector :P
23:44 <K> isn't there fctl or somthing like that?
23:57 <K> some part of windows api should be posix compatible
24:02 <Halcyon> Do you need a header? I probably have 1 or 10 I could send you
24:42 <K> i'd imagine T3sl4 has all the headers he needs
24:45 <K> he just lazty
24:56 <Halcyon> :P
25:30 <T3sl4> i have about 3 win32 / 386+ compilers on here, i don't need more :P
27:07 <T3sl4> open() shows a O_ASYNC for IO
27:18 <K> maybe using a sbc would be less pain
28:18 <T3sl4> i could do this in QBASIC on my Amstrad
28:26 <T3sl4> but then i still need serial to get it back to this PC :P
28:56 <T3sl4> (as i don't have a ISA network card, and even if i did, i somehow doubt a SMB stack runs on 8086)
28:58 <K> wifi it to the cloud!
30:21 <K> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/35411927/putty-command-line-automate-serial-commands-from-file
30:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - PuTTY command line automate serial commands from file - Stack Overflow
30:37 * Halcyon spackles T3sl4's crack
30:48 <Lemon> man this knipex stripper works so well, even for ultra thin wires you can adjust it and it will work
31:19 * T3sl4 slapples Halcyon's snapple
31:42 <Halcyon> That reminds me, I haven't had carbonated apple juice for ages
31:43 <T3sl4> nah, not just sending, i need to rx inbetween
31:44 <Halcyon> I should get some
32:00 <T3sl4> sparkling grape, apple, pear etc. are legit fancy af
32:09 <Halcyon> Pfft
32:11 <Halcyon> Are not
32:20 * T3sl4 slapples Halcyon some more
32:32 <Halcyon> Guava juice is delicious
32:36 <Halcyon> I should get more of that too
32:37 <T3sl4> you just like that filthy rotten "wine" stuff
32:48 <Halcyon> Yep, I like fermented fruits
32:51 <Halcyon> *hic*
33:12 <Halcyon> electrohead: Wake up slut :P
33:35 * T3sl4 slapples electrohead a bit too
33:47 <K> staples
34:04 <Halcyon> I prefer Officeworks
54:22 <steve30000> We haven't got Staples here any more
54:26 Nick: steve30000 is now known as steve30
54:40 <Halcyon> Hey Steeeeeee :)
54:48 <Halcyon> Did you make it to York the other day?
55:20 <steve30> I haven't tried to actually go yet, I was just investigating prices
55:20 <coppice> I make it to York most days
55:36 <Halcyon> coppice, I suspect for very different intentions :P
56:05 <coppice> well, I assume steve30 isn't aiming to settle here
56:13 <Halcyon> Who knows?
56:18 <Halcyon> He could meet the love of his life
57:17 <coppice> The love of my life is in prison in HK. Well, they call it quarantine, but its really solarity confinement
58:17 <Halcyon> Really?
58:23 <Halcyon> I had no idea, I'm sorry mate.
59:26 <coppice> Its her choice. To enter HK and see her mum she has had to spent the last 20 days in a hotel room. 1 day left to go. Without whatsapp video calls she'd have been going nuts by now
59:41 <Halcyon> I hope she drinks?
59:42 <Halcyon> :P
00:47 <coppice> the real problem is she's going to see her mum because she is in decline with dementure, so I may not see wifey for quite a while
01:21 <Halcyon> Well, the only comfort I can offer you coppice is that you have us
01:29 * steve30 should put some clean bed sheets on
01:40 <coppice> oh, dear. that makes it worse
01:56 <Halcyon> :P
02:02 <coppice> steve30: what have you done to your bed linen?
02:08 <Halcyon> Soiled them
02:12 <Halcyon> Like the naughty boy he is
04:13 <coppice> asking someone to come to bed always carries a risk
05:07 <Halcyon> Hah
17:14 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
19:12 <Halcyon> Yeeeee
19:15 <Halcyon> WinAmpera :)
21:42 <Ampera> you are weird
21:51 <Halcyon> Thanks :)
22:11 <Halcyon> You're lovely too
23:03 <Ampera> why do you exist
23:07 <Ampera> just curious
23:38 <Halcyon> To help keep the world somewhat in balance before the morons destroy it
23:47 <Halcyon> I'm fighting a losing battle
23:57 <Ampera> ended up selling my car yesterday
24:02 <Halcyon> Oh what!?
24:14 <Halcyon> That seems sudden
24:19 <Ampera> starter in it is busted, and it's in a really stupid place
24:26 <Halcyon> Ahh
24:28 <Ampera> so replacing it would easily be a thousand bucks, mostly in labor and moving it
24:29 <Halcyon> Too hard basket?
24:37 <Ampera> so I let it go for 450
25:06 <Halcyon> So are you thinking about another vehicle?
25:16 <Ampera> When I get my license, no point in buying one now
25:48 <Halcyon> I could see you in a Nissan Cube
28:37 <Ampera> I mean I could buy a kia soul which is what both my parents drive
28:49 <Ampera> but I kinda don't have a big love for asian cars. They're all boring to me
29:06 <Halcyon> Why do you think I buy Volvo's ? :P
29:13 <Ampera> I'm not thinking too hard about it for now.
29:27 <Ampera> My concern with a volvo is it's a weird car with weird parts, not something I can get fixed as easily
29:38 <Ampera> They exist here, but they're not the most common
29:45 <Halcyon> Same here
29:46 <Ampera> I'm considering buying a pickup
30:00 <Halcyon> I have a Volvo dealer near me so it works fine for me
30:37 <Lemon> just got my tiny ac clamp, super nice
30:45 <Lemon> its brand new looking at it and connectors
30:50 <Halcyon> How tiny?
31:42 <Ampera> Yeah but I'm in no position to buy anything new
31:48 <Ampera> lease maybe
32:15 <Halcyon> Not entirely sure how leasing works there, but here it's mostly used as a tax deduction.
32:17 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
32:30 <Lemon> its a 200A/200mA, id say 10cm total ! enough to clamp 1.5cm cables
32:33 <Ampera> Here leases are used when you want a car, but you don't want to care about it after the terms of the lease
32:34 <K> what make/model, Lemon Lemon ?
32:45 <Ampera> The problem with a lease is the insurance is killer
32:51 <Lemon> universal technic M1 !
32:57 <Lemon> I paid like 20 euros for it
33:00 <Lemon> brb gotta eat !
33:27 <Ampera> you also sort of throw the money away into the car, because you don't get any equity in it you can sell later
33:28 <Halcyon> My previous car was/is a lease car. I can pay it out and just own it. But either way I can claim the payments and running costs as a tax offset.
33:37 <Ampera> no that's not a lease
33:38 <Ampera> that's a loan
33:38 <Halcyon> Insurance doesn't change here just because the car is financed
33:55 <Halcyon> No, it's a novated lease. Part of the payments come out of my pre-tax pay
33:57 <Ampera> a lease is you pay for the duration of the lease, usually 2-3 years, and then you get a new car
34:13 <Ampera> you don't get to keep the car
34:17 <Halcyon> Unlike a car loan there is a balloon payment at the end (if I wanted to keep it)
34:44 <Ampera> The insurance most certainly changes here to some of the best you can get for a leased car
34:48 <Ampera> since you don't and will never own it
35:55 <Halcyon> With leased cars, you can either return it at the end of the lease and walk away, you can renew the lease for 1-2 more years if it was a new car or you can pay the balloon and own the car outright.
36:19 <Ampera> that's probably the case here too
36:32 <Halcyon> The advantage (sometimes) is that the periodic payments are partly untaxed, then if you use it for work, you can also claim the costs as a further deduction.
36:33 <Ampera> but it's not a great move for me
36:52 <Ampera> If you get a loan on the car, you own the car, and will pay off the loan
36:55 <Halcyon> Also here, if you lease a vehicle, you don't pay the 10% GST (VAT) on a vehicle.
37:05 <Ampera> I have no clue about untaxed anything
37:18 <Ampera> I haven't researched yet
38:06 <Halcyon> You still pay interest on a leased vehicle (almost always) and sometimes it's more than a car loan itself. They usually bury that in the paperwork. But depending on your tax situation, it might actually work out cheaper over the term of the lease/loan.
38:10 <Halcyon> It all just depends.
39:14 <Ampera> I don't know how it works here, can't comment
39:21 <Halcyon> Also, normally in a fully managed lease, the running costs (fuel, servicing, parts, tyres) are all factored into.
39:32 <Halcyon> Yeh same, I can only speak of my experience.
39:55 <Ampera> I still need to get my license in the first place
40:13 <Halcyon> I have no idea how your tax system works
40:22 <Ampera> you exist, and then they steal money from you
40:25 <Ampera> pretty simple
40:28 <Halcyon> There you go :P
41:13 <Halcyon> In contrast, I look forward to tax time. I usually get about $10k back
41:18 <Halcyon> It should be more this year
42:13 <Ampera> I lost 400 this previous season, and even once I start being able to take a personal deduction, I doubt it'd end up being much back
43:10 <Halcyon> Anyway I need to head to bed. I'm sleepy.
43:16 * Halcyon smacks Ampera
43:37 <Ampera> good night
06:38 <Lemon> back
06:56 <Lemon> somebody knows about that universal technic brand ?
07:02 <Lemon> it looks really well made, far from being a cheapo
08:22 <Ampera> how are you doing Lemon
08:46 <Lemon> ho im alright, got some goodies ! that ac clamp, some lm317t and a box of trimpots :> and you ?
09:06 <Ampera> Dealing with getting my driver's license
13:17 <Lemon> hoooo
13:28 <Lemon> how far are you in it ?
13:33 <Lemon> got theory already ?
13:35 <Ampera> I know how to drive pretty much
13:48 <Ampera> just need to take a 5 hour "pre licensing course" that costs 50 bucks online
13:51 <Ampera> then go take the test
16:01 <K> prices on the web page are quite higher than your 20 eur
16:24 <Ampera> wha?
16:55 <Lemon> here you need to get a theory course that is the hardest part, then at least 20 hours of driving lessons, at around 30-40 euros per hour
17:34 <Ampera> Here you need to take a 20 question test to get your learner's permit, then you take a 5 hour course with no practical driving, then you pass a practical test that usually lasts 15-30 minutes, and that's it
17:56 <Ampera> if you're over 18, you don't actually need to prove you learned anything before the practical test
18:18 <Ampera> I drove around a bit with my dad in the car, which is legal on a learner's permit
24:46 <Lemon> whatttt
24:48 <Lemon> jesus xd
24:54 <Lemon> idk if thats good, or dangerous
25:11 <Lemon> in one hand thats nice because its fast
25:15 <Lemon> and probably cheaper
25:22 <Lemon> surely cheaper as france is one of the most expensive
25:40 <Lemon> but on another hand, 15-30 minutes aint enough to say if somebody can drive properly or not
25:48 <Lemon> well theres the 5 hours
25:53 <Lemon> but 5 hours, thats not a lot either
25:57 <Lemon> ho well idk in fact
28:12 <Ampera> 5 hours is just sit there and listen to some stuff about driving maybe
28:22 <Ampera> probably five hours of them telling you don't crash
30:32 <Lemon> thats a bit scary
30:34 <alfbaz> as someone who knows how to drive, it would take me less than 5 minutes to know if somebody is ready for a licence. 15 - 30 minutes would let me test if they had knowledge of how to handle traffic conditions etc
31:11 <Lemon> yeah for that part ok maybe, but idk if 5 hours is enough to learn on another hand
31:27 <Lemon> when you see that in france, many people do over 50 hours without knowing how to drive properly
31:53 <Lemon> but yes thats true
32:02 <Lemon> the exam time is enough
32:07 <Lemon> just the learning time, a bit short imo
32:29 <Lemon> for example, I did over 3000 km without a licence (I know) before passing mine
32:35 <Lemon> theory, ez game, 0 mistakes
32:38 <alfbaz> We get a learners licence and have to log 100hrs (i think) befor you can take the driving test
32:48 <Lemon> then it was somewhat easy but I had to learn many things, still
33:19 <Lemon> ha yes theres a similar way too, at 16 y/o you can drive with somebody registered with a licence, and you have to do like 2000 km
34:18 <alfbaz> Yeah they do hours here as you probably wouldn't learn much driving along a freeway. We have very long ones here P:
34:50 <alfbaz> <- Oz
37:37 <alfbaz> hmm just logged in and out of my vpn and wondered why it didn't effect this irc connection, just realised im on here via my server :s
12:02 <Ampera> hullo alfbaz how are you
12:34 <Ampera> I'm not complaining at all about not having to log hours
12:44 <Ampera> or having to pay hundreds upon hundreds in driving lessons
25:57 <Lemon> seems the guy I sold my 1080 to got it, according to tracking
26:06 <Lemon> that means, I'll be able to spend the money :>
42:29 <Ampera> Lemon, how much did you end up getting for it
42:41 <Lemon> 400 euros !
42:46 <Ampera> not bad
42:55 <Lemon> yeah pretty fine, double what I paid almost 2 years ago lol
43:46 <Lemon> I plan to buy myself some very nice probes for my multimeters
43:52 <Lemon> and accessories with it
44:25 <Lemon> and other goodies :>
44:32 <Lemon> im following a nice aglient power supply
44:38 <Lemon> but I guess it will end up too expensive
47:04 <Lemon> theres also a super nice resistor decade box from vishay, 80 euros, im really thinking about it as its full of resistors costing up to 20 bucks each
47:12 <Lemon> I asked the guy for a pictures of resistors themselves, we will see
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