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26:13 <Reg7805> hi guys
26:26 <Reg7805> i have question > https://snipboard.io/AvMTew.jpg
27:14 <Reg7805> how on earth do i calculate with calculus? differentiation
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30:28 <TheDude> hey
30:42 <Reg7805> i have calculated it using the formula given and plot a graph and excel
30:46 <Reg7805> hello
30:47 <eevBot> Hello, Reg7805!
31:02 <Reg7805> hello everybody
31:03 <eevBot> Hello, Reg7805!
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31:08 <TheDude> in part a they probably expect you to put a tangent on the graph and estimate the decay at 2s
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31:32 <TheDude> in part b they expect you to calculate the derivative of I(t) at t=2s
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32:33 <TheDude> "Amps" "secs" <-- disgusting
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33:56 <TheDude> Reg7805, still here?
34:08 <Reg7805> yes, just thinking
34:27 <Reg7805> amps secs that just the assignment
34:42 <TheDude> on second thought, just doing I(3)-I(1)/(3-1) should be fine for part a
34:58 <TheDude> no, my problem there is that they are butchering SI units
35:10 <TheDude> the units are A and s
35:23 <TheDude> also that function is shit
35:50 <TheDude> I = 5 exp(-0.2 s^-1 * t) A
35:54 <TheDude> this is how the units should be
36:34 <Jens> I don't follow. Are you bothered that ampere is denoted by "I"?
36:40 <TheDude> no
37:05 <TheDude> the contents of the parentheses at the top
37:16 <TheDude> and at the end of question a) you have t = 2 secs
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37:46 <TheDude> it shows that the author of the question is incompetent or, at best, negligent
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37:59 <Jens> And doesn't know LaTeX.
38:00 <Reg7805> okay, i have bit diffucaluty reading asci math
39:05 <TheDude> exp is the same as e^<something>
39:16 <Jens> This is giving me Vietnam flashbacks to electrician school.
39:35 <TheDude> or rather exp(<something>) == e^<something>
40:27 <Reg7805> okay, got that part
40:35 <TheDude> the exactness of units is just as important as the calculation itself
41:07 <TheDude> and it irks me so bloody hard that someone in a teaching position is that ignorant
41:22 <TheDude> okay
41:30 <Reg7805> so if understand right, part a i dont need to find the tangent
41:44 <Reg7805> me teachers are not good realy
42:01 <TheDude> okay, so a line is just y = a*x + b
42:03 <Reg7805> very diffcult to undertand there are talking about
42:24 <TheDude> when I say tangent, I'm really talking about finding the 'a' variable
43:26 <coppice> found it ^
43:41 <coppice> damn these non-monospaced characters
43:44 <TheDude> lol :D
43:44 <Reg7805> something like this > https://snipboard.io/mZFQXf.jpg
43:55 <TheDude> yes
44:56 <TheDude> so if you want to calculate the steepness of the tangent
45:25 <TheDude> a very good approximation would be to put a line that goes through points at t=1 and t=3
45:49 <TheDude> and just calculate that
46:16 <TheDude> and you get closer to the actual decay at t=2s, the closer the spacing between those two points
46:36 <TheDude> putting 2 points at 1.9s and 2.1s would make it better
47:07 <TheDude> but if you go infinitesimally close, you get the exact number you're looking for, which would essentially be calculating the differential
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01:37 <Reg7805> something like this > https://snipboard.io/BcavSV.jpg
02:55 <Reg7805> i i apologize in advance, i dont understand this subject at all
04:34 <Reg7805> this subject makes want to quite electrical engineering
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13:26 <Reg7805> if any body knows how to do this question https://snipboard.io/AvMTew.jpg , i will be greatefull, please share image of calculations, im ripping out my hair to figure out this question since yesterday :(
27:08 <TheDude> slope can not be positive if it is quite clearly sloping downwards
27:29 <TheDude> I'm also not going to draw a picture for you to copy
27:37 <TheDude> I'm trying to help you get to the results yourself
29:00 <TheDude> the result you're looking for is about -0.675 A/s
31:19 <Reg7805> okay, i will try to figure out how got this result
31:28 <TheDude> this is the ballpark figure for the approximation
31:59 <TheDude> the exact number for b) is -0.67032 A/s
32:17 <TheDude> I've explained how it's done above
33:16 <Reg7805> sorry, i just dont undertand it, im really bad at maths i think
34:19 <Reg7805> I appreciate your help
40:45 <TheDude> the only way to change that is to practice more
41:03 <TheDude> you're welcome
44:21 <DHess_US> God is taunting me, "Disabled for repair, sorry"
46:22 <Ampera> God is disabled for repair?
46:33 <Ampera> Maybe that's what his son has been doing up there for so damn long
47:47 <coppice> correct. nobody is taunting you
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12:47 * electrohead taunts coppice
12:50 <electrohead> :p
12:52 <electrohead> hey mate
12:57 * electrohead waves to everyone else
13:01 * Ampera sneezes at electrohead 
13:39 <DHess_US> Ampera, forums down.
13:52 <Ampera> since when could I do anything about that
14:06 <DHess_US> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/unreadreplies/
14:17 <DHess_US> No, <DHess_US> God is taunting me, "Disabled for repair, sorry"
14:26 <Ampera> oh
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28:48 <steve30> Did Ampera break it?
29:10 <Ampera> probably
36:41 <Kuschelpony> at least IRC goes on forever
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45:18 <electrohead> it will always
45:44 <electrohead> forums are back online
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33:24 <Lemon> well, its been 6 hours the 3456a is logging my decade box in 2 wire mode, it didnt trip
33:38 <Lemon> I really wonder whats causing it in 4w
40:41 <rust_collector> Lemon stop breaking that thing?
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52:32 <Ysjoelfir> huh.... looks like I accidentally bought a coffee grinder :D https://www.ebay.de/itm/174746011917
52:34 <eevBot> [Title] - Alte Kaffeemühle Original Favorite (Walter Michel Hamburg) | eBay
53:27 <rust_collector> OH NO!
55:09 <rust_collector> tiny bit of soldering, ant that looks pretty serious?
57:12 <rust_collector> so, now you are looking for various oriental spices you can make into dust?
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01:18 <rust_collector> or nuts?
04:52 <Ysjoelfir> spices, exactly :)
05:00 <Ysjoelfir> I want to make a better piffi :P
05:22 <rust_collector> you want to make something with 139% salt?
05:34 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
05:39 <rust_collector> oooh
05:40 <Ysjoelfir> salt extract!
06:24 <rust_collector> concentrate
06:51 <rust_collector> well, I still vote for making nut flour
06:52 <Ysjoelfir> pretty much that, yes
07:14 <Ysjoelfir> I should be able to do that as well
08:31 <rust_collector> I finally got around to put the wheels on the welder, and the bottle mount, so not it looks like one of those weird little tractors at the airport, with a trailer hitch
11:46 <Ysjoelfir> nice! :D
12:52 <rust_collector> mmh, pressed in a wheel bearing on an audi a4, and it even got a new hub. new parts are nice, lol. I think I have to make some spacers for my press, so it does not flop around, until it starts pressing
18:21 <rust_collector> I still feel a bit uneasy when wheel bearings are just pressed in, with nothing to hold them in place.
20:53 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to HAVE a press :D but those are kinda rare somehow
21:46 <rust_collector> really? they are not really hard to find here. it is just a "harbor freight" press, that I put on legs.
22:13 <rust_collector> but I do come across proper presses now and then. but I don't really need a real one
22:30 <Ysjoelfir> the only ones I found here are either microbic small, or pneumatic/hydraulic and 2 tons heavy
22:39 <Ysjoelfir> and both variants were much to expensive
23:20 <rust_collector> yeah, mine is on the smaller side. but I think I can get most car sized things in it
24:30 <rust_collector> IIrc, it is 58cm wide, either inside or outside the upright parts, lol
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27:35 <rust_collector> hmmm, this is something for you... a "happy cow" tank... https://bit.ly/3u8zvv8
27:36 <eevBot> [Title] - Bitly
29:10 <Ysjoelfir> the one I was referint to were like.... 30cm?
29:24 <Ysjoelfir> aww, that tank looks cure :D
29:25 <Ysjoelfir> cute
29:33 <rust_collector> yesssss
30:15 <rust_collector> I do sort of want this thing: https://bit.ly/3gQHucy
30:16 <eevBot> [Title] - Bitly
30:37 <rust_collector> just because it is also cute, and should work ok if I don't want to go outside
31:10 <Ysjoelfir> thats sooo tiny :D
31:22 <Ysjoelfir> such a thing with a gas engine would be cool
32:30 <rust_collector> but it is large enough to work, I guess. i do have a tiny-tiny rc car, it has a charger/garage inside the transmitter. it is small enough that I can drive it around on the dashboard
33:08 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D nice. Perfect for when you have to wait :)
34:09 <rust_collector> I believe it just uses a little capacitor, and it uses a little motor, it has no real steering, but it does have a clutch on each rear wheel, so it steers like a bobcat.
35:20 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a smart idea for such a small thing
35:59 <rust_collector> probably, but it still seems weird to get all that stuff in there. and it was very very cheap
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36:37 <Ysjoelfir> I was thinking about a small drone. but.... well, german drone laws
36:56 <rust_collector> do you think they will fly after it?
37:33 <Ysjoelfir> no, but you have to register and whatnot, and if you get cought withoug a license or even hit someone with the thing it can get reeeeeally nasty very quick
37:53 <rust_collector> sure, so don't hit anyone with it?
38:57 <rust_collector> hmm, I don't know about down there, but we have several classes of those here. you only need to register for things over xx weight, or size, or something. so the small toy ones do not need anything
39:33 <rust_collector> there was a lot of back and forth about it, and as I am not really interested, I quit looking
40:11 <Ysjoelfir> I stopped being interested because of all those discussions
40:52 <rust_collector> the people who sell houses use them a lot, and that made me quite interested in getting a shotgun
44:27 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D
03:32 <T3sl4> hmm, well, that was longer than i intended to be outside
04:03 <T3sl4> got a bit dehydrated/overheated by the end there, not used to this "spring" thing the weather has been doing
04:29 <rust_collector> did you move to hsnland or something?
04:49 <T3sl4> hmmmm
04:55 <T3sl4> well, there was a lot of sand there
06:00 <rust_collector> did you feel confused, when you got out of bed this morning? Did it feel like you were is the wrong place? were there arabs and such outside?
07:00 <T3sl4> hmmm
07:05 <T3sl4> it didn't look very araby
07:24 <rust_collector> but sand... hmm. ok
09:20 <T3sl4> https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9513226,-87.8425109,514a,35y,315.28h,33.01t/data=!3m1!1e3
09:22 <eevBot> [Title] - Google Maps 
10:06 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, pretty sandy there.
10:24 <rust_collector> it is probably in africa or something
11:24 <T3sl4> i passed a fair number of latino people... maybe morocco?
11:37 <rust_collector> I guess
12:10 <rust_collector> the map says it is too hot there
13:43 <rust_collector> nope, it is only 18c in morocco, so it has to be in arabland, or where hsn is
16:47 <T3sl4> well, i guess when you're right, you're right
17:01 <rust_collector> yeah, in hsnland, it is 29, where you are, it is 28... I think you have been abducted by illegal aliens
18:15 <T3sl4> oh no
18:18 <T3sl4> that's illegal!
18:32 <rust_collector> yes! that is pretty cool
19:44 <rust_collector> sapporo beer museum. that is interesting.
19:59 <T3sl4> mmm, beer
20:05 <rust_collector> ok, I am closing the map thing. I don't have time for this
20:44 <rust_collector> https://goo.gl/maps/ZStr5ujiqm7vNZ6S6
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31:00 <rust_collector> why is Hsn so annoying today, anyway?
31:18 <rust_collector> I hope he will fix that intranet soon
35:02 <Lemon> hello excuse me, im looking for all the digits
35:03 <eevBot> Hello, Lemon!
35:06 <Lemon> specifically after the coma
35:51 <rust_collector> yeees. are you sure you have not had a stroke? do your arms feel heavy?
36:05 <Lemon> well actually I have no arms
36:09 <Lemon> digits took them
36:33 <rust_collector> so, you have no digits, or are they stuck to your shoulders?
40:25 <T3sl4> hey i need my digits you can't have any
42:37 <Lemon> well currently I have no arms and no digits
42:40 <Lemon> which isnt the best
43:00 <rust_collector> good for all us who are not french
47:20 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
48:34 <Lemon> just because I have no arms :((
50:08 <Lemon> hmmm I wonder how hard is it to build a geiger counter, with a surplus thingie
50:11 <Ampera> that's what makes you cute!
51:40 <rust_collector> if you had no legs, you would be almost perfect
56:00 * Ampera writes that on the very long list of why not to ever visit rust_collector
58:31 <rust_collector> eeh, as you are sort of german, it seems like you will be ok. there is at least one german who has survived a visit here. I did not chop off anything vital, just tried to feed them with wallpaper glue
00:05 <Hsn> rust_collector: here it was european weather today
00:22 <Hsn> Some silent lightening i saw ..
00:24 <rust_collector> otoh, I can not remember anyone else.... from anywhere, who was ever heard from again...
00:45 <rust_collector> Hsn google says it was 29c there
01:30 <Hsn> There is rain through?
01:38 <Hsn> Few drops i would say
03:08 <rust_collector> okeh
15:31 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSJQLCImV18
15:32 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Kernkraft 400 - Zombie Nation
16:12 <Ysjoelfir> zombie......... zombie..... zombie..... zombie nation
29:54 <rust_collector> I like that oven
31:43 <Ysjoelfir> why do you always oberve me? I know that this oven I am looking at is to expensive, but I still want it! https://www.ebay.de/itm/233989532798?hash=item367adcec7e:g:48oAAOSwEI1gZgh1
31:44 <eevBot> [Title] - VINTAGE PETROLEUMOFEN G&R ANTIK | eBay
33:24 <Lord_of_nothing> for everyone who speak german: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MWo_1Epmkk
33:24 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Das Verhalten von Funkwellen in der Ionosphäre
33:34 <rust_collector> that is a... not big or small burner
36:21 <Ysjoelfir> its pretty cool imho
40:38 <T3sl4> zombie, zombie, zombie eh eh, eh oh
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49:17 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsFM27tgEak
49:18 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: LOOK MUM NO LIVESTREAM
49:25 <rust_collector> oh well. now what?
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39:05 <MrMobodies> Hello
39:38 <rust_collector> https://www.henrirantanen.fi/2017/04/28/cranberry-wine/
39:41 <eevBot> [Title] - DIY Cranberry Wine
40:14 <MrMobodies> looks nice but the langiage "cheap booze" puts me off
40:19 <MrMobodies> *lanuage
40:23 <MrMobodies> I have a question about satellite receivers and I can't seem to find much information on them
40:42 <rust_collector> well, you can pay more for it, if you want...
40:58 <MrMobodies> I remembered long ago, a friend brought this Panasonic receiver and he was using it for Sky?
41:02 <MrMobodies> the company Sky
41:16 <MrMobodies> do I need to use their Sky appliances to view their channels?
41:40 <MrMobodies> I know this person left them 10 years ago and cancelled his two accounts with them
41:43 <rust_collector> we did not over here. We had a generic french made box
42:23 <MrMobodies> he said it's gone to poor quality, theirs boxes are going to be restrictive and so on
42:30 <rust_collector> but that was a long time ago...
42:45 <MrMobodies> I rememberes his one didn't record it was just a standalone viewer
42:46 <MrMobodies> oh
43:06 <MrMobodies> I have one upstairs that I am looking at
43:22 <MrMobodies> I found it in someone's bin
43:25 <rust_collector> hmmm, it was a sagem box
43:31 <MrMobodies> oh
43:58 <MrMobodies> but I would want my own appliance, where I am in control and then pay for the service
44:06 <MrMobodies> so their's no strings attached
44:24 <MrMobodies> I get a bit paranoid you see that they might do stuff
45:07 <MrMobodies> to try use their appliance to force me on a contract with them using stuff they don't won
45:24 <MrMobodies> I just read that let see
46:17 <MrMobodies> https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/Sky/Cancelling-sky-subscription-and-keeping-equipment/td-p/3152777?nobounce
46:20 <eevBot> [Title] -
46:32 <MrMobodies> "If you cancel your Sky subscription then you can keep the box as you own a Sky+ box and it will continue to receive the free channels but you will be unable to record them or watch any recordings back you might have made."
46:50 <MrMobodies> so I record from a freeview channel I won't be able to record it
47:05 <electrohead> that can probably be hacked
47:09 <MrMobodies> they say the box is mine but it isn't really when they got control over it
47:32 <MrMobodies> I'd give it a go if I can install another os on it
47:49 <rust_collector> I am pretty sure sky does not produce any of those boxes. there are probably forums full of stuff on that
48:06 <rust_collector> hmm, let me c
48:27 <MrMobodies> I could understand if someone recorded a subscription program but something paid for already
48:31 <Halcyon> Morning all
48:36 <MrMobodies> morning
48:46 <rust_collector> maybe you can find something here: https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/index.php
48:48 <eevBot> [Title] - Digital Kaos
50:15 <MrMobodies> well I found something, not what I want but it might be useful to me when I play around with it
50:16 <MrMobodies> https://www.digital-kaos.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/507-sky-box-engineer-tricks
50:17 <eevBot> [Title] - sky box engineer tricks
50:18 <MrMobodies> thanks
51:11 <Halcyon> Do any of you guys use Skype?
51:11 <MrMobodies> it does have a nice picture, I'll give it that... but then I think they want to "sucker me in" into paying for a subscription
51:23 <MrMobodies> I'll just make it if I can or break it
51:33 <MrMobodies> sometimes I use Skype
51:46 <rust_collector> no skype here. or anything similar to it
51:57 <Halcyon> Do you have a need for Skype credit? I have a few dollars sitting in a temporary account which I don't need. Might as well give it to someone.
53:13 <rust_collector> convert it to a million bitcoins?
53:18 <Halcyon> Heh
54:04 <rust_collector> what is skype credits anyway?
54:11 <MrMobodies> thanks but it would the same thing will happen if I had credit on mine
54:20 <rust_collector> is it like putting coins in a payphone?
55:01 <Halcyon> Lets use make calls to non-Skype numbers and send SMS
55:14 <rust_collector> oh
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37:38 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/aytehfgtkpw61.jpg
39:15 <Halcyon> Heh
44:09 <electrohead> o/
44:19 <Halcyon> Yooo
44:22 <electrohead> Yoooo
44:25 <electrohead> Sup sexy, lol
44:29 Mode: (by electrohead) -o electrohead
44:32 <Halcyon> Oh you know, the usual
45:36 * electrohead shakes it for Halcyon
46:36 <Halcyon> Awww feel the love
46:49 <electrohead> :P
46:53 <Halcyon> I had some pretty crap sleep :( Thanksfully I'm off today
48:45 <electrohead> :(
48:49 <electrohead> eevBot: give coffee to Halcyon
48:51 * eevBot throws screaming hot coffee at Halcyon
49:30 <Halcyon> Bitch
49:37 <electrohead> :p
54:04 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
54:08 <Ampera> I love you, asshole
54:16 <Halcyon> :D
54:22 <Halcyon> Seem that's how you do it electrohead
54:25 <Halcyon> *See
54:39 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
54:47 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK, how are you?
55:02 <Ampera> dissociated, unfeeling, apathetic
55:05 <Ampera> normal sunday evening
55:10 <Halcyon> Hooray
55:20 <Halcyon> I'm considering a drive to Ikea, but I don't know if I can be bothered
55:44 <Ampera> Ikea, much more than a bit of Sweden in your own country
55:53 <Ampera> I've never been to or seen one, they don't have any around here
56:00 <Ampera> same with costco, major stores, never seen one
56:54 <Halcyon> We have a few costco's around here but not close enough to make it worth while joining. I'd only go there for a few select things anyway.
57:05 <electrohead> lol
57:07 <electrohead> ok ok
57:11 <electrohead> Halcyon: I love you, bitch
57:15 <electrohead> better? :p
57:17 <Halcyon> That's better
57:18 <Halcyon> :P
57:29 <Ampera> We do have club stores
57:35 <Ampera> BJ's for example
57:44 <Halcyon> Heheh BJ
57:54 <Ampera> I loved going to the local BJ club ages ago, but my mom said we could get a lot of their stuff cheaper elsewhere
57:58 <Ampera> so haven't been there since
58:14 <Halcyon> "BJ Club" means something different here
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59:46 <Ampera> I wish we had a BJ club here
59:48 <Ampera> I'd join it so fast
59:53 <Ampera> sadly prostitution isn't legal here
00:28 <rust_collector> you don't have to get paid...
00:39 <Halcyon> It's legal here, but it's regulated. But when you submit your tax return, there is a specific category for Sex Workers
00:40 <Ampera> Slavery is also illegal here too
01:14 <Ampera> do they tax you higher if you're a prostitute?
01:46 <Halcyon> No
01:55 <Halcyon> Everyone gets taxed the same amount, regardless of your job
02:07 <Ampera> ah, so you have no wage brackets?
02:07 <Ampera> nice
02:21 <Halcyon> Well it's based on how much you earn
02:26 <Halcyon> The more you earn, the more tax you pay
02:27 <Ampera> you lied to me
02:41 <Halcyon> https://www.ato.gov.au/rates/individual-income-tax-rates/
02:42 <eevBot> [Title] -
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02:51 <Ampera> yeah we have wage brackets here too
03:55 <Halcyon> But you can also offset the amount of tax you pay (or don't pay) with deductions. For example, the kilometers I do in my car and the money I spend running and maintaining it, in many cases is a tax deduction.
04:14 <Halcyon> Or if I buy equipment specifically for work, the cost of that offsets my taxable income
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05:19 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir could not find this club you were talking about...
05:23 Nick: reg7805_ is now known as Reg7805
07:16 * flyback built a vibrator this weekend
07:29 <flyback> didn't work for inverter though probably because I wired the transformer wrong
08:01 <flyback> apprentely if you use a dpdt relay as the vibrator, you can use alternative polarities on the transformer to push pull it I think
08:02 <rust_collector> you can not do that, because that would be unsafe
08:07 <flyback> eh?
08:25 <flyback> you've never seen a vibrator
08:29 <flyback> it's a mechanical smps
08:50 <rust_collector> doing things wrong is not safe. you could wire yourself up across the mains, if you did it wrong enough
09:01 <flyback> uh
09:05 <flyback> it's 12vdc
09:22 * flyback doesn't *CANUCK* with mains
09:26 <rust_collector> that is just because you did not do it wrong enough
09:30 <Ampera> then you're obviously not doing it wrong right enough
09:46 <Ampera> you can't even fuck up correctly
10:04 <Ampera> also what is your obsession with canadians about
10:13 <Ampera> sure they're cute, but have you ever seen one? They're filthy
10:19 <Ampera> and disease ridden
10:34 <rust_collector> they just pretend they are not french, but they are
11:06 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDetDwINFVo
11:07 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Vibrator inverter
11:21 * Ampera vibrates against Halcyon 
11:34 <Halcyon> :D
11:51 <Ampera> my outlets probably come in tomorrow
12:01 * rust_collector puts 13 angry wasps in a tin can
12:04 <flyback> they used to use them in car radios to provide 200v dc or ac for tube filaments
12:26 * Halcyon plugs Ampera's socket
12:50 * Ampera moans happily
12:55 <Halcyon> Hahaha
13:04 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDetDwINFVo
13:05 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Vibrator inverter
13:17 <flyback> mine isn't as cool
13:24 <rust_collector> looks familiar
13:45 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, I made this last night: https://www.taste.com.au/recipes/red-curry-beef-cauliflower-rice-recipe/lasbws8p
13:46 * rust_collector drips superglue in amperas socket
13:49 <flyback> davey should do a video on them
13:50 <Halcyon> It was so delicious
14:06 <Ampera> rust_collector, it stings most delightfully
14:18 <rust_collector> good good
14:26 * Ampera pours water on rust_collector 
14:36 <rust_collector> I hope Halcyon gets an extension out of that
14:46 <Halcyon> Heh
14:47 <Halcyon> :P
14:49 * flyback uses his super power "revive" to fix everyone up
14:54 <flyback> NO ONE DIES ON MY WATCH GOD DAMMIT
14:59 <Ampera> It simply has bound us at the hip
15:08 * Ampera steals flyback's watch
15:10 <Ampera> now it's my watch
15:18 <flyback> BMCC
15:20 <rust_collector> aaaah! I can feel the crustyness building up on my surface
15:23 * flyback HURLS CANADIANS AT Ampera 
15:34 * Ampera pets them and locks them in cute little cages to sell at the market later
15:52 <rust_collector> as is tradition
15:58 <flyback> BTW i HAVE 2 new reasons to hate canada
15:59 <Ampera> and what a glorious tradition it is
16:03 <Ampera> just 2?
16:05 <Ampera> slacker
16:09 <flyback> bill and ted face the music and slaxx
16:20 <Ampera> slacks?
16:22 <rust_collector> come on, there are several million people there
16:26 <Ampera> this man doesn't like pants
16:28 <Ampera> I like him
16:37 <flyback> both are "quebec motion picture services"
16:53 <flyback> no slaxx is about pairs of jeans that are alive and killling people to drink their blood
17:29 <flyback> and it occurs in a canadian clothing store filled with EH_HOLES
17:36 <rust_collector> so, they are girl pants?
17:37 * flyback foams at the mouth so much canadianess
17:48 <flyback> both
18:06 <rust_collector> bi pants?
18:18 <flyback> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBUwi9eXtXM
18:19 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Slaxx - Official Trailer [HD] | A Shudder Original
18:29 <rust_collector> but girls are supposed to bleed now and then, so that makes sense.
18:40 <flyback> oh they bleed alright
18:40 <Ampera> flyback, I must be honest with you
18:42 <Ampera> I am part canadian
18:52 <flyback> BITE MY "CANUCK".........................CANUCK!
18:58 * flyback SINKS his teeth into Ampera's leg
19:04 * Ampera moans happily
20:58 <flyback> https://youtu.be/D0QuyA2KHrQ?t=2423
20:59 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Film complet francais - Slaxx
21:02 * flyback loves watchig canucks die
21:48 <Ampera> you are one fucked up little monkey
21:50 <Ampera> I like you
22:25 <flyback> thx
22:27 * flyback bows
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22:51 * Ampera snaps flyback in half, proceeds to lick the marrow out of his bones for sustenance
23:34 <alfbaz> Holly crap... not so sundued in this morming :P
23:40 <rust_collector> infrared sauna... that sounds... like a thing that exist
24:09 <Ampera> an infracommunist sauna
24:11 <Ampera> sounds expensive
24:53 <rust_collector> meh, this one is not too expensive, because the power supply is burnt up, lol
30:09 <rust_collector> for some I want to listen to rush again, even if he sounds like a smurf in pain
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34:22 <rust_collector> oh goodie
34:24 <Ampera> flyback, HEY LOOK! A CANADIAN
34:33 <rust_collector> BURN HIM!!!
34:40 <Ampera> who, flyback or Nothing\
34:40 <Nothing\> ahoy ahoy
34:54 <rust_collector> eeh, well, i like Nothing\
34:54 <Nothing\> man, i just found something i think i REALLY want
34:57 <Nothing\> https://wdc65xx.com/Single-Board-Computers/w65c02sxb/
34:58 <eevBot> [Title] - 403 Forbidden
35:09 <Nothing\> it's a single board computer that uses a CMOS version of the 6502
35:44 <Ampera> 65 bucks
35:45 <Ampera> cor
36:00 <Nothing\> yeah but the chips on that alone go for about $10 each
36:05 <Nothing\> so it's really a pretty good deal
36:14 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
36:20 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
36:26 <Nothing\> i'm doing pretty good
36:37 <Ampera> that's pretty good
36:38 <Nothing\> actually i've been kinda depressed the last couple of days for some reason
37:02 <Ampera> if I could only be depressed for just a couple days
37:02 <Ampera> man
37:04 <Nothing\> been feeling unusually lonely and yearning for a relationship for the first time in years. I have no clue why all of a sudden. But I'm sure it'll pass.
37:07 <Ampera> I could almost be a functioning human being
37:22 <Halcyon> Nothing\, I have the opposite problem
37:23 <rust_collector> I think it is because you have not made any BIG sparks lately
37:29 <Halcyon> My relationship is causing me no end of stress
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37:36 <Nothing\> well for what it's worth, I'm mostly anxious rather than depressed. Which having experienced both long term, I think I'd rather be depressed.
37:43 Quit: nuclear_ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
37:46 <Nothing\> Depression at least feels good in a weird way when you brood.
37:56 <Ampera> rust_collector, nothing says antidepressant like the sort of plasma fucking bang that would make photonicinduction piss his pants
38:02 <Nothing\> nobody makes music that helps you brood anxiety
38:08 <Nothing\> except maybe noise music
38:13 <Nothing\> if you can call that music
38:17 <Nothing\> masonna and shit like that
38:38 <Nothing\> i don't even remember others. I knew a guy who used to send me stuff like that.
38:40 <Ampera> I've been listening to what's supposedly called dream music
38:42 <Ampera> I really like it
38:56 <rust_collector> there is something to large bangs, that you can feel
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39:16 <Nothing\> you know what's surprisingly good? those binaural beats that are supposed to create effects similar to certain drugs.
39:25 <Ampera> uhhhhhhhh
39:38 <Nothing\> they don't feel like drugs at all, much less the drugs they're meant to feel like. But they do create some interesting and relaxing mindstates.
39:48 <rust_collector> Nothing\ do you take drugs, while you listen to them?
40:18 <Nothing\> rust_collector, I don't listen to them anymore, but when I did, I don't believe I did take any drugs. At least not at the time of listening to them.
40:21 <rust_collector> if you did, that could have something to do with it, lol
40:47 <Nothing\> But I remember they used to have this program that could generate beats with names like cocaine, heroin, lsd, cannabis, etc
40:54 <Nothing\> that were supposed to feel like those drugs.
41:18 <Nothing\> I think the idea was that by listening to certain frequencies, you could induce your brainwaves to operate on those same frequencies
41:29 <rust_collector> I think it was you, and also some guy from india, that made me listen to that stuff. I did only get annoyed after a while
41:45 <Nothing\> so by listening to theta level frequencies, you could induce your brain to produce more theta waves
41:51 <Nothing\> which I think were around 7hz
42:32 <Ampera> sounds like malarkey
42:34 <Ampera> bladercrap
42:36 <Nothing\> or maybe listening to harmonics of those frequencies since i doubt any speaker, let alone headphones in the mid 00's could have a frequency response that low
42:39 <Ampera> shitsneeze
42:55 <Ampera> tomfuckery
43:01 <Nothing\> why even bother making any speaker with a frequency response beyond what the human ear can perceive.
43:04 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah exactly
43:23 <Halcyon> I wish you jerks lived closer. I want to go to Ikea but I don't want to go by myself.
43:23 * electrohead prods Nothing\
43:26 <Nothing\> but it did something. I mean I certainly felt strange during and after listening to them
43:31 * Nothing\ buzzes
43:35 <Nothing\> hey electrohead
43:38 <electrohead> hey amte
43:39 <electrohead> mate*
43:53 <Nothing\> Halcyon, I was thinking the same thing about going to a club earlier today
44:06 <Halcyon> What kind of club?
44:06 <electrohead> Halcyon: yeah, sucks we're so far apart :/
44:09 <electrohead> a titty club?
44:12 <electrohead> lol
44:13 <Halcyon> Hah
44:23 <rust_collector> Halcyon if you come here, I will actually go to ikea with you. That is how much I like you. I have not been there for at least 10-15 years
44:24 <Nothing\> i was thinking if I'm feeling lonely, I could always go to a club and pick up some college chicks. But there just seems to be something loserish about going to a club by yourself.
44:24 <Halcyon> "Tittles" would be a good name for such a club
44:38 <Halcyon> Aww that's sweet rust_collector
44:41 <Nothing\> like going out for dinner by yourself. Not that I haven't done that before.
45:05 <Nothing\> I've never actually been to a club before
45:09 <Nothing\> not even a strip club
45:12 <rust_collector> I really hate being in ikea, lol
45:23 <Nothing\> although there's only one strip club in this city, and apparently all of the dancers are old women
45:35 <rust_collector> 75+
45:40 <Nothing\> there used to be 2 but for some reason they turned the second one into an art gallery lol
46:09 <Halcyon> Actually I might go to the garden centre instead of Ikea. I mainly want to buy some pots.
46:11 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah and the women in this area are skeezy. Unless they're college chicks.
46:52 <rust_collector> i get my mom to buy batteries in ikea. but she likes to spend all day there, so...
47:17 <electrohead> you can buy pots all you want, just don't buy pot by itself
47:20 <electrohead> lol
47:20 <Nothing\> When I lived in a party house, there was this one chick who used to hang out with us who was real skeezy. I remember the one time we were smoking weed in the bathroom, and out of nowhere she just whips down her pants and starts taking a shit right there. Meanwhile there was me and 3 other guys in the bathroom.
47:23 <electrohead> couldn't resist that joke :p
47:37 <Nothing\> lol electrohead
47:37 <Halcyon> Terrible :P
47:50 <Nothing\> actually, i stopped smoking pot a few months ago
48:15 <Nothing\> funny, my whole life I get shit for smoking pot because it's illegal. Then when it's legalized federally, I decide to stop. lol
48:54 <Halcyon> Heh
49:19 * electrohead offers a landshark to Halcyon and Nothing\
49:20 <Nothing\> And the black market pot shop I frequented closed down anyways. I dunno whether on their own volition or if they finally got raided by the feds. I know another black market place was raided by the feds not far from them. So maybe they got scared or something.
49:34 <Nothing\> ah why does the name landshark sound so familiar
49:45 <Nothing\> I can't put my finger on it.
49:49 <electrohead> cause it's a pretty tasty beer
49:50 <electrohead> :p
50:10 <Nothing\> Ah, I don't drink anymore either. I quit that almost 10 years ago. Not sure exactly when.
50:33 <Halcyon> I need some potting mix too
50:45 <Nothing\> All it does to me is make my heart pound out of my chest, makes me sweaty and feel sick and just altogether unwell in general. Pretty much like I've been poisoned.
50:52 <Nothing\> even from just half a beer.
51:18 <Nothing\> Same with caffeine. Don't consume that anymore either. I've already got an anxiety disorder, so I don't need that making matters worse.
52:06 <Nothing\> And yet I'm addicted to benzos and opiates. Both prescription but still, go figure.
52:33 <Nothing\> though i've been working my way off of those, too.
53:42 <Nothing\> the benzos do little to nothing for my anxiety anymore and just make me tired and groggy and give me brainfog constantly. And I don't feel comfortable with the liability of being addicted to anything on account of the constant risk of withdrawal looming over me all the time.
54:16 <Nothing\> And there's actually a good amount of evidence that long term use of opiates actually makes you MORE sensitive to pain.
54:53 <rust_collector> well, some people enjoy pain...
54:55 <Nothing\> But, it's easier said than done to get off that crap.
55:18 <Nothing\> rust_collector, well when you're on opiates it also affects your ability to enjoy pretty much anything.
55:52 <rust_collector> that sounds like a great idea
56:06 <Nothing\> oh, speaking of great ideas
56:34 * electrohead grabs the popcorn
56:35 <Nothing\> You guys hear about this new "challenge" making the rounds on social media lately? The "hot water challenge"?
56:55 <Nothing\> The jist of it is you take a pot of boiling water, and pour it on yourself, or a friend.
57:04 <Nothing\> or alternatively, you chug as much of it as you can.
57:28 <rust_collector> good good. I hope they are nude, in a leather couch when they do that
57:36 <Nothing\> I saw a news segment about a kid who had 2nd degree burns to a majority of his body cuz his dipshit friend poured a pot of boiling water on him while he was asleep.
57:55 <Nothing\> and another about an 8 year old girl who got severe injuries after drinking boiling water.
57:56 <rust_collector> we should start the "drink drain cleaner challenge"
58:03 <Nothing\> like what in the actual fuck is wrong with people?
58:04 <Halcyon> Oh gees
58:13 <Nothing\> Do we actually have to tell kids that heat is hot?
58:14 <Halcyon> People would be stupid enough to try it
58:29 <Halcyon> Apparently yes Nothing\, people these days are so fucking stupid.
58:31 <Nothing\> I mean, I know the one girl was only 8, but that sorta stuff was drilled into my head constantly as a kid.
58:56 <Nothing\> I remember there was this commercial with Tweety Bird that emphasized the fact that hot water can cause burns in less than 3 seconds.
58:59 <Halcyon> Hot things are hot
59:27 <Nothing\> Halcyon, there was another challenge a while back where you douse yourself in flammable liquid and then light yourself on fire.
59:53 <Nothing\> the idea was you get under a shower before it hurts you. Except that liquid based fires are only spread by water. Not put out by it.
59:57 <electrohead> "Can't fix stupid."
00:34 <Nothing\> Or the salt and ice challenge, where you pour salt on your skin then put ice on it and basically leave it there until your skin literally freezes solid
00:59 <Nothing\> I saw one news segment where a kid had a giant cross burned into the entirety of his back from doing that.
01:21 <Halcyon> Not a year goes by where I don't think society is becoming more and more like the movie Idiocracy
01:32 <Nothing\> It makes me wonder if those psychotic 4channers are the ones who come up with shit like this.
02:09 <Nothing\> It reminds me of this infographic that came from 4chan where it supposedly explains how to grow crystals by mixing bleach and ammonia, then blowing bubbles into it with a straw
03:03 <Nothing\> Or where people on 4chan would encourage others to heat a spoon up with a blowtorch, then immediately plunge it into ice water. Which supposedly causes the spoon to explode.
03:19 <Nothing\> But now that I think about it, it doesn't seem much different from annealing metal
03:48 <Nothing\> where you'd heat a metal, then quench it in water
04:22 <Nothing\> but yeah, the similarities to idiocracy are becoming eerie
04:48 <Nothing\> Hopefully with Biden at the helm, that sorta shit will slowly die down.
04:52 <rust_collector> do people still get on 4chan?
05:02 <Nothing\> At least the stuff that was perpetuated by trump's constant lies.
05:11 <Nothing\> rust_collector, no clue, I haven't been on there in years.
05:22 <Nothing\> I assumed they all migrated to reddit.
05:29 <rust_collector> I have not heard about it in... years
05:38 <Nothing\> yeah, me neither.
06:00 <Nothing\> Except the odd mention of Anon on the news. But even that I haven't heard in a couple of years.
06:23 <Nothing\> I guess there's Qanon, which I always assumed had something to do with 4chan
07:22 <Nothing\> I think it's funny they're all anti-capitalism, meanwhile they all buy Guy Fawkes masks which generates profits for Warner Bros who owns V for Vendetta.
07:55 <rust_collector> whaaaatareyoutalkingabout?
07:56 <Nothing\> And similarly, in that movie, where the hell did all of those masks come from anyways? When everybody's wearing them at the end.
08:19 <electrohead> Idiocracy is supposed to be a movie, not a tutorial.
08:20 <rust_collector> I can not remember there being any of those in the book
08:24 <Nothing\> Did V have some secret factory where he made all of his Guy Fawkes masks?
08:41 <Nothing\> rust_collector, V wore one.
08:59 <Nothing\> then at the end, I forget what happened but everyone ends up wearing one in some big uprising or something
09:18 <rust_collector> I guess it has to be a different v then.
09:37 <Nothing\> Yeah, not the alien one.
10:16 <rust_collector> swedish....alien.... same same
10:25 <Nothing\> The one about the vigilante who commits acts of terrorism against Britain. Like blowing up the Old Bailey.
10:39 <rust_collector> ok, I don't know it
10:49 <Nothing\> It's not a bad movie, actually.
10:54 <Nothing\> I'd recommend checking it out.
11:00 <alfbaz> +1
11:06 <rust_collector> meh, I do not like watching movies
11:32 <alfbaz> jees that's all im doing lately
11:40 <Nothing\> it's a dystopian future movie where England's government becomes a fascist dictatorship and the main character V commits these acts of terrorism against them and eventually causes an uprising.
11:59 <Nothing\> rust_collector, Neither do I tbh. But this is one I'd probably watch again.
12:16 <rust_collector> ok, do that, lol
12:26 <Nothing\> oh I probably won't
12:36 <rust_collector> dooooo ittttt
12:38 <Nothing\> I barely have the attention span to watch a 20 minute tv show
13:05 <rust_collector> I used my welder to weld my welder today. and it did feel wrong in a way.
13:23 <Nothing\> like cannabilism?
13:29 <rust_collector> sort of
14:04 <Nothing\> sup dawg, I heard you like welding. So I put a welder in your welder. That way you can weld while you're welding.
14:14 <rust_collector> aaaaaii
16:35 <rust_collector> hmm, I forgot to take my pills today. brb
16:50 <Ampera> I forgot to take mine too, could you take them for me while you're at it?
17:17 <rust_collector> sure
17:30 <Nothing\> that's weird rust_collector, I just went and took mine before you said that.
17:52 <alfbaz> I made up my batch but gotta eat something first and Im not hungry
18:10 <Nothing\> have a bell pepper
18:34 <rust_collector> Nothing\ it is 2.18 tomorrow here....
18:45 <alfbaz> id have to look that up
18:47 <Nothing\> 8:18 here
19:12 <alfbaz> 10:18 here
19:18 <Nothing\> I wonder what time zone Hawaii is in
19:33 <alfbaz> the omne in the Pacicfic
19:38 <rust_collector> -10
19:52 <Nothing\> yeah I just looked it up
20:07 <Nothing\> actually -12 to you, rust_collector
20:26 <rust_collector> I count all timezones from 0
20:27 <Nothing\> for some reason I assumed you're GMT, but I'm not so sure about that
20:35 <Nothing\> I'm pretty sure EST is -5 from GMT
20:42 <rust_collector> no, I am +1
21:04 <rust_collector> or is it +2?
21:08 <rust_collector> uhm heh
21:18 <rust_collector> it is one before england
21:20 <Nothing\> Although apparently we're abolishing daylight savings here at some point. So I wonder what that's gonna do to the time difference with the States and the rest of the world.
21:34 <rust_collector> not much
21:48 <rust_collector> the rest of the world is also working on that
21:57 <Nothing\> Like, when it's DST, does that mean if you cross from Ontario to New York, you have to go back (ahead?) one hour? Even though you've only traveled a few minutes south?
22:07 <Nothing\> Ah okay.
22:20 <Nothing\> If the rest of the world's on board, that would make a lot more logistical sense.
22:43 <rust_collector> well... "rest of the world"
22:44 <Nothing\> Oh yeah, you know the Evergiven's still in the Suez Canal?
22:58 <rust_collector> heh
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23:20 <Nothing\> lol Egypt impounded it in the lake there because they want the company to pay a $960 million fine for lost revenue, excavation fees and damages to the canal
23:37 <Nothing\> And they won't let the captain leave it.
24:13 <rust_collector> nah, they have to have someone on board
24:23 Quit: TheDude ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
24:43 <Nothing\> yeah, apparently there was a ship some time ago that was in a similar situation and the guy in charge of the ship was forced to stay onboard for 4 years
24:53 <rust_collector> there was something about that on the radio, a couple weeks ago...
25:14 <Nothing\> He said it was basically like solitary confinement and he went crazy from the isolation.
25:16 <rust_collector> there are around 250 people like that around the world, who are stuck on abandoned ships
25:27 <Nothing\> yeah they mentioned that as well.
25:42 <Nothing\> It's crazy that beaurocracy could get that bad.
25:52 <Nothing\> And doesn't exactly make one want to become a mariner
26:09 <rust_collector> well, I would not want someone to dump a huge rusty old ship on my beach
26:35 <Nothing\> Why not? That's some good scrap metal.
27:13 <rust_collector> yeah, but I am not in east pakistan, where they have free people to chop it up with a hammer
27:27 <Nothing\> There are entire industries in some countries where people tear down old ships for scrap. Apparently it's a terrible job cuz you get exposed to all sorts of nasty chemicals and have horrible working conditions.
27:36 <Nothing\> Ah yeah, you're familiar.
28:03 <rust_collector> I have heard about you too....
28:09 <Nothing\> Yeah I guess in India and that region, people make money on just about any garbage they can find.
28:29 <Nothing\> There are even people who dig through garbage piles in dumps looking for plastic they can sell.
28:41 <rust_collector> I do actually thing bangladesh is trying to tidy up a bit
28:53 <Nothing\> You see them walking around barefoot, with a toddler in tow helping them out.
28:58 <rust_collector> they have a long way to go, but
29:30 <Nothing\> Yeah, it's a real shame how India's shitting all over their environment, cuz they have some really beautiful nature in that area.
30:10 <Nothing\> But they're basically making the entire country uninhabitable to anyone who wants to live past 40 years old.
30:17 <Nothing\> or have children.
30:48 <Nothing\> Even their most holy river's become a toxic cesspool of chemicals, human waste and human remains
31:27 <Nothing\> and yet, people still bathe in it daily for religious purposes and drink the water and somehow don't die.
31:27 <rust_collector> they just have too much people there. But there are different areas of india. it is not a small place
31:51 <Nothing\> Yeah it's not just a matter of population. Narendra Modi's just doing a shit job of managing the situation.
32:05 <Nothing\> TBH I think he's done a shit job of managing most situations in India.
32:10 <Nothing\> Especially COVID
32:21 <rust_collector> hehe, sure
32:27 <Nothing\> you hear they're getting about 450,000 new cases a day now?
32:44 <Nothing\> that's fucking insane. That's about how many cases we've had in Canada through the entire pandemic.
32:55 <rust_collector> nah, I quit listening, as I have been home for a week.
33:11 <Nothing\> Yeah it's getting really out of hand.
33:19 <Nothing\> And they've found some new variants there, too. Of course.
33:50 <Nothing\> a lot of peolpe figure we'll never be rid of COVID and it'll just become an endemic disease like flu, or the common cold.
34:05 <rust_collector> that makes sense
34:10 <Nothing\> And I'm starting to think the same thing. It seems like this thing will never be over.
34:31 <Nothing\> Especially when, here at least, every time we have a lockdown, they re-open everything as soon as the numbers start to go down.
34:39 <rust_collector> I never thought it would disappear, so... we will adjust to it
35:10 <Nothing\> They don't wait for the numbers to go down significantly. They just wait for them to go down a little bit. Then it's business as usual until shit hits the fan again and everybody wonders why we're having another wave of COVID.
35:36 <rust_collector> yep, that is the western way to do it.
35:36 <Nothing\> Yeah, it'll probably be like flu, where we get a new vaccine every year because it mutates so much.
36:06 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah it's cuz the Prime Minister and Premier care more about the economy than about health.
36:39 <Nothing\> I mean, right now they're limiting vaccinations to people over the age of 65, even though the younger people are the ones who are ending up in the ICUs and getting it the worst.
36:53 <rust_collector> well. if they did, they could lock down properly, and be done with it a year ago...
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37:17 <Nothing\> They're also limiting the second dose of the vaccine to 4 months, even though the companies who made the vaccines say it has to be given within 21 days or the effectiveness will be diminished.
37:24 <rust_collector> now, they have a different almost unlimited budget they can spend of "special things"
38:30 <Nothing\> Hell, if China hadn't tried to suppress it so much in december 2019/january 2020 it probably never would have left wuhan
38:51 <Nothing\> but instead, they just put any doctors who said anything about it or tried to treat people for it in prison.
38:56 <rust_collector> "We do umptifive billion helps" because pouring cash on things helps a lot
39:27 <rust_collector> well, at least, when they figured it was a serious thing, they actually did something
39:44 <Nothing\> that's cuz in western society, money is everything. So people are under the impression that money can solve any problem, too.
39:55 <Nothing\> money > human life
40:01 <Nothing\> money > *
40:12 <rust_collector> sure, especially if you can spend 3 millions on wasting 5
40:33 <Hsn> Hey rust
40:36 <Nothing\> The US does that all the time
40:39 <alfbaz> Curious, are you guys worried about getting it, in that you won't be asymptomatic but rather seriously ill
40:42 <rust_collector> hey-o
40:45 <Hsn> Happy slavary day to u
41:04 <rust_collector> alfbaz I am not really worried about getting it myself
41:07 <Nothing\> alfbaz, I am sort of, but I don't go out or socialize at all so I don't have very much of a risk of getting it.
41:28 <Hsn> Im opening my own bank .. thats it
41:44 <rust_collector> I would not like to get it, and spread it to someone who will get really ill tho.
41:51 <alfbaz> I dont socalize much iether but over here nearly no one has it so the bigger Q is the blood clots
42:08 <Nothing\> The only risk I have is through my brother because he rents a room in a house with a bunch of other guys and some of the guys have kids who come over and my brother has people over and stuff like that. And my Mom's always taking my brother out to get groceries or for appointments and stuff. And I share a place with my Mom.
42:16 <rust_collector> almost no one gets those either, but that is an interesting thing
42:17 <Nothing\> So if she caught it from him, I'd catch it from her.
42:22 <rust_collector> alfbaz where are you?
42:32 <Nothing\> But she got her first vaccine, so she's at least got some immunity to it now.
42:46 <Nothing\> alfbaz, I wouldn't worry about the blood clots.
43:52 <Nothing\> Last I heard, there were only 6 incidents of blood clots from the astra zeneca vaccine. Which could very well be incidental. But if they were indeed caused by the vaccine itself, that's only 6 clots out of millions of people who have had it. So the odds of it happening are extremely tiny. IF the clots are from the vaccine.
44:23 <Nothing\> they could very well be caused by something else and just happened to occur shortly after getting the vaccine. Especially if it's only 6 people out of millions.
44:29 <rust_collector> nah, there are more than 6, but it is still not a big number
44:31 <alfbaz> rust_collector, australia
44:36 <rust_collector> ah, right
44:56 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah, last figure I heard was a couple of weeks ago. So I'm sure it's gone up since then.
45:17 <Nothing\> And there was another vaccine they're saying causes clots too now, isn't there? What was it the Moderna vaccine?
45:29 <Nothing\> I'm not sure what the numbers are for that one, though.
45:42 <rust_collector> johnson&johnson
45:48 <Nothing\> that's right
45:55 <rust_collector> because that is the same sort of thing
46:09 <alfbaz> yeah they just canned that one for oz
46:14 <Nothing\> Frankly I'd be more worried about other side effects. Especially long term. Since they did practically no FDA testing on these before releasing them because they were in such a hurry.
46:26 <Nothing\> I'm not even sure what testing they even did on them, other than efficacy.
46:54 <rust_collector> well, several of the people they tested them on, has survived, so there is that
46:59 <Nothing\> alfbaz, yeah I heard they've put a hold on astra zeneca and j&j in a bunch of countries.
47:30 <Nothing\> Apparently they're saying now too that people may need to get booster vaccines later on down the road
47:36 <alfbaz> the astra has been deemed safe here for over 50's for under they have to wait for physer
47:57 <alfbaz> physer has said youl need a yearly booster
48:00 <Nothing\> oh yeah, there was a story a few weeks ago about a woman who either became severely sick, or died after recieving two doses of the vaccine back to back.
48:22 <alfbaz> yeah that was here 48yr old
48:24 <Nothing\> I guess there was confusion about if she had it or not, so she accidentally got two doses within a day or a few days of eachother.
48:27 <alfbaz> died
48:29 <Nothing\> ah
48:54 <Nothing\> yeah, I couldn't remember the exact details. I just sorta skimmed through it while I was pooping. As I do with all news.
49:45 <alfbaz> what i dont like is they're saying its safe for over 50 but if you read the details they're simply using probability to determine who gets what
50:01 <alfbaz> if you're over 50
50:07 <Nothing\> lol I went to the lab for some bloodwork the other day and when I was in the washroom, they didn't even have soap by the sinks.
50:14 <Nothing\> just a think of hand sanitizer.
50:17 <Nothing\> *thing
50:28 <alfbaz> chances of getting seriously ill from covid is greater than chances of blood clot
50:47 <alfbaz> if under chances are reversed
51:10 <Nothing\> alfbaz, yeah I was just saying how here in canada they're limiting the vaccine to people over 65, even though it's the younger people who are getting more severe cases and ending up in the ICU
51:18 <alfbaz> so in essence everyone, regardless of age has the same chnace of dying from blood clots
51:47 <alfbaz> 65 is a far more reasonable age than 50
51:54 <Nothing\> and we're so short on the vaccine that instead of the 21 days they recommend between shots, the government's making people wait 4 months. Which the manufacturers say will greatly reduce the effectiveness.
52:21 <alfbaz> the gov shouldn't be making those deceisions
52:29 <Nothing\> So in a way, I'm glad I can't get the vaccine yet. I've told my Mom I'd rather wait until they get their shit together and actually follow the guidelines released by the manufacturers
52:45 <alfbaz> agree
53:08 <Nothing\> alfbaz, well the reason is because we have such a shortage here, so they figure that's the best thing to do so as many people as epossible can get their first shot.
53:18 <alfbaz> don't know what your gov is like but here they're in full marketing spin mode
53:35 <rust_collector> hehe, they all are
53:37 <Nothing\> Which to me, just sounds like they're trying to pad the numbers so they look better for vaccinating more people. Regardless of whether they've had their second shot or not.
54:29 <Nothing\> ah man i should check my blood sugar, i'm super thirsty all of a sudden
55:25 <rust_collector> drink some salt
55:35 <Nothing\> 9.6 So, high, but not super high.
55:54 <Nothing\> I think my diabetes might be back cuz my blood sugar's been really high lately.
56:14 <rust_collector> what is it supposed to be? it is around 7?
56:17 <Nothing\> rust_collector, I've actually wondered if that would help my constant pissing at night while i'm trying to sleep.
56:24 <Nothing\> rust_collector, yeah, like 5-7
56:25 <rust_collector> I suck at medical things
56:42 <Nothing\> although at 5, I already feel the effects of hypoglycemia
56:44 <rust_collector> doctor says blahblah, I say mmhmmm
56:56 <rust_collector> doctor says pay in the reception
56:57 <Nothing\> for me it's more like 5.5-8 or something
57:19 <Nothing\> rust_collector, not when you have insurance paid for by the government. lol
57:38 <Nothing\> Then they just tell you to wait in reception for 3 hours to see your GP
58:01 <rust_collector> we have "free" healthcare here, it is just that you have to pay for it
58:05 <Nothing\> Actually, they've gotten better about wait times.
58:21 <Nothing\> there were times back in the day where I had to wait over 12 hours to see a doctor in the ER
58:42 <rust_collector> but there is a limit, so if you use more than... I think 100 dollars or so in a year, the rest is free
58:57 <Nothing\> actually even now, it's not unusual to wait 4-6 hours in the ER to see a doctor
59:12 <Nothing\> I keep telling yanks, sure we have free health care, but that doesn't mean it's GOOD health care.
59:31 <Nothing\> If my life ever depended on the hospital here, I'd genuinely be terrified.
59:51 <rust_collector> If I am not seriously broken, I go to my doctor, tgoing to the er is a waste of time, unless you have been shot or something
59:53 <Nothing\> I told my Mom if anything happens, take me to the hospital up closer to Toronto. In Hamilton.
00:02 <Nothing\> They have a great teaching hospital there.
00:25 <Nothing\> Yeah I only go to the doctor for prescriptions and tests
00:38 <Nothing\> I know enough about medicine to fend for myself otherwise.
01:00 <rust_collector> well, I only go to the doctor if things are wrong too, I do not go there every decade
01:09 <rust_collector> but the er is almost useless
01:56 <rust_collector> yeah yeah, we tape up the holes, and give you some pills, so you don't notice anything, go to your doctor on monday
02:16 <Nothing\> lol that was exactly what they did when I got stabbed in the leg
02:39 <rust_collector> ther is not really all that much you need to do either
03:05 <Nothing\> gave me a shot of dilaudid for the pain, did a CT scan to see if anything important was damaged, pulled the knife out, stitched me up and sent me out the door to walk 3 miles home.
03:22 <Nothing\> Oh, and they gave me crutches.
03:40 <Nothing\> Which was nice of them not to charge me for that, cuz usually they do charge you for stuff like that.
03:49 <rust_collector> they did? or did they just grab anything to throw after you?
04:29 <Nothing\> nah they were a solid set. Aluminium I think.
04:35 <Nothing\> not those shitty wooden ones.
04:52 <rust_collector> heh, I have only seen those in movies
04:59 <Nothing\> lol
05:26 <Nothing\> I was hoping for ones made from a super alloy of magnesium
05:51 <Nothing\> ones I could attach rockets to so I could go faster.
05:54 <rust_collector> alumaxium
05:58 <alfbaz> I'm an electrician so Id need wooden ones :P
06:20 <rust_collector> hmmm, do you need a wooden ladder too, maybe?
06:24 <Nothing\> I've always said it's best to have a well grounded electrician
06:43 <alfbaz> It has been said Im down to earth :P
06:49 <Nothing\> my grandfather was an electrician
07:04 <Nothing\> it's a shame i didn't learn electronics until after he lost his marbles from dementia
07:19 <Nothing\> it woulda been cool to shoot the shit with him about it.
08:12 <alfbaz> you'd be surprised at how little some leco's know about electricity
08:15 <rust_collector> I was halfway a non-house electrician-ish guy for a bit. I was only allowed to hook up the cables to transformers and such, out in the street.
08:35 <Nothing\> My uncle is/was into electronics too, but when I tried to talk to him about them he couldn't seem to follow me and when I showed him a circuit, he started handling it by the face of the PCB, putting his fingers all over the leads of the components instead on the edge of the PCB
08:59 <Nothing\> so that made it obvious to me he was just full of crap when he said he dropped out of college because he knew more than his professor
09:22 <rust_collector> it just made sense, as I was digging down the cables, that I just attached them, and made it ready. i hope someone checked it before they put the power on, lol
09:44 <Nothing\> either that or he only gave them enough time to talk about like, parallel vs series resistance or something really basic like that before he got fed up with them not getting to the good stuff.
11:18 <alfbaz> I remember when I started an industrial electrinics course. It was frutrating ti sit through weeks of learning what a bread board was, what an IC looks like and what dir does on the command line
11:47 <Nothing\> alfbaz, yeah i've noticed some don't even know the basic formulas like parallel resistance, or voltage dividers, or even reactance or resonance cuz they just use apps on their phone/computer to do all of that for them
12:04 <rust_collector> hmm, there is a guy near here, selling a "low frequency" signal generator, and a 2.4Ghz counter... uhm, maybe I should talk to him
12:28 <Nothing\> whihc i'll admit, I do a lot too. I mean trying to analyze the impedance of an RLC circuit takes almost an hour to do by hand. But I still try to make sure I brush up on the basics from time to time.
12:47 <Nothing\> man, i'd love to have a signal generator.
13:09 <Nothing\> that's one thing I still need, is a safe, low voltage sine wave source.
13:36 <Nothing\> I thought I could get that with a variac, but somebody pointed out a couple weeks ago that those don't provide any isolation.
13:49 <rust_collector> according to this, "low frequency" is up to 200k I guess it is relative....
14:18 <Nothing\> when I hear low frequency, I think anything < maybe 10k
14:40 <rust_collector> I think something like audio...so 20-ish
14:41 <Nothing\> actually, probably lower than that
14:54 <Nothing\> yeah I was gonna say, I'd figure it'd be below audio
15:36 <rust_collector> but, 200k, that should cover anything I would want to do. I still think 555s are fun
16:38 <Nothing\> I guess I could make my own frequency generator since I have one of those XR2206 frequency generator chips. But all I really have to build it on is breadboards and I wouldn't imagine that would make for a very clean signal.
17:03 <Hsn> Lol
17:37 <Hsn> If i move on my new bed sheet .. there is white light under my hand
17:44 <Hsn> All the time
17:46 <alfbaz> Nothing\ all of that formula stuff is useless for most lecos. just run cabes and terminate, If there are lots to run there'll be a cable schedual, all the technical stuff has already been engineered
17:59 <Nothing\> Or I could always make a sine wave generator like this: https://tinyurl.com/yhjsz2ox
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18:26 <Nothing\> alfbaz, that's true actually.
18:31 <rust_collector> I think most electricians are "just" installers of stuff
18:38 <Nothing\> yeah
18:41 <Hsn> So im charging my self and touching my earthed wife who uses charging phone .. zap zap zap
18:57 <Nothing\> put in a junction box, connect it to the mains, wire up the rest of the house, that sorta thing.
19:11 <Nothing\> Or at most, set up 3 phase systems in factories.
19:33 <rust_collector> or, in the world... everyone has 3 phase
19:53 <alfbaz> I've done mostly industrial fault finding which has been very imtersting
19:59 <Hsn> rust_collector: i ate 2 of my phases ..
20:05 <rust_collector> yum yum
20:21 <rust_collector> so now you have only one phase and a grounded wife...
20:28 <rust_collector> that will work
20:42 * Hsn zaps rust_collector
20:48 <rust_collector> you can run a japanese radio off that
21:03 <Hsn> That must be > 10kV
21:09 <Nothing\> speaking of stuff that's made in japan
21:17 <Nothing\> did Dave ever drop in here like he was supposed to?
21:23 <rust_collector> he did
21:32 <Nothing\> Ah, right on. When was that?
21:36 <Hsn> rust_collector: when
21:38 <rust_collector> a long time ago
21:53 <Hsn> I was not born?
22:02 <Nothing\> Yeah, I heard he was supposed to drop in from somebody a few months ago but they weren't sure when.
22:14 <rust_collector> well, with the way you people count things, I have no idea?
22:29 <Nothing\> Well, you know us cannucks
22:37 <Nothing\> we all run on metric time
22:37 <Hsn> Nothing\: nah dave never drops
22:40 <rust_collector> i was thinking of hsn, but
22:51 <Hsn> He rises
22:51 <alfbaz> who's dave :P
22:52 <Nothing\> Hsn, so he's a superconductor?
23:02 <Nothing\> alfbaz, from the eevblog channel lol
23:15 <alfbaz> lol i was joking
23:16 <Nothing\> being an aussie, I figured you of all people should know who he is.
23:20 <Nothing\> oh, good.
23:33 <Nothing\> you had me going there for a minute lol
23:43 <rust_collector> He just has an eternal boner. I hear that can be bad
23:45 <alfbaz> yep my missus knows him as the guy with the annoying voice
24:16 <Nothing\> alfbaz, I like how it gradually rises in pitch as he keeps talking. I find it soothing.
24:25 <alfbaz> I'll have to tell her about his eternal boner
24:42 <Hsn> alfbaz: hah same but my wife say im the annoying guy who play him load without earphones
24:47 <rust_collector> does not drop
25:28 <alfbaz> Hsn she would slap me so hard if I did that :P
25:33 <Hsn> Nothing\: maybe he has low pass filter
25:42 <rust_collector> I don't care much about what people sound like, even danyk sounds fine to me
26:20 <Hsn> rust_collector: do u like donkey having sex sound?
26:38 <Hsn> Ee aaa eee aaa eee aa
26:57 <rust_collector> if the donkey is talking about something interesting, I am sure that would be fine
27:19 <Hsn> Nah he just make sounds that are really annoying
28:04 <rust_collector> but yes, the one voice that do annoy me a lot, is that guy in rush.... and I notice I have mentioned that a lot in the last few days
28:20 <rust_collector> damn canadians
28:27 <Hsn> rust_collector: number 5
28:28 <Hsn> https://youtu.be/W7EC4nQ6Qqk
28:29 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: CRAZY DONKEY SOUND! | Top 5 Donkey Sounds
29:20 <alfbaz> When I discovered dave's channel I binged all 100 odd videos he had at the time, and ended up with the stutter he had at the time :P
30:15 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk
30:16 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Rush - Tom Sawyer (Official Music Video)
30:48 <alfbaz> hmmm Rush, I have their entire collection 8)
30:58 <Hsn> Tom sawyer is good story
31:23 <rust_collector> I still think he sounds like an injured smurf
31:39 <alfbaz> ... and it's all stuck in my dead desktop
32:11 <Hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/6tNYVH6KdcrPcFKh7
33:26 <alfbaz> not the mean warrior wtih a mean stride I had pictured
35:42 <alfbaz> OT any of you guys know much about desktop mother boards?
35:44 <rust_collector> weeeeelllll, why not take it out of your dead laptop?
36:00 <rust_collector> uhm, not much-much.
36:26 <rust_collector> Halcyon and Ampera are much more computerish, I think
37:11 <alfbaz> I'll hit them up when they're active here
37:56 <rust_collector> do you have a problem with one, or is it a more general thing?
38:36 <alfbaz> Having issues with power on cct, was wondering if I forced the psu on by shorting the psu on pins on the 24 pin pwr connector if it would work or blow shit up
39:34 <rust_collector> hmm, it could work, but I would not give any warranty on that work.... lol
39:45 <rust_collector> I guess it depends on why
40:54 <alfbaz> yeah I have one of those board view files of my mobo and traced out the cct, Gotta clear some bench space, set it up and do some probing first to see what signals are there or missing
41:57 <alfbaz> I've learnt some things, like I didn;t know there was a pin from the cpu that if not present would prevent the psu from turning on
42:33 <alfbaz> it's like a cpu slot empty safety thingy'
43:08 <rust_collector> is this an older board?
43:21 Quit: Nothing\ (~Shmendrick@cpe9050ca20a183-cm9050ca20a180.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) Quit: Leaving
43:39 <alfbaz> seeing older is relative I'll answere yes/no
44:08 <alfbaz> about 5 to 6 yr old
44:21 <rust_collector> so, modern... I guess
44:28 <rust_collector> not a p3 or something
44:56 <alfbaz> no the mobo is a Z97 so relatively new
45:30 <alfbaz> cpu is something like a i7 4770
48:14 <rust_collector> sounds fancy
49:37 <alfbaz> lol, anything with more than 2 wires is fancy for me :P
50:34 <alfbaz> might start cleaning my bench. It's making Jim Williams bench look tidy at the moment
50:38 <rust_collector> I don't even know how old this desktop is. But other than it not having usb3, I am very happy with it
50:45 <alfbaz> https://www.edn.com/wp-content/uploads/contenteetimes-images-edn-analog-jim-williams-full-bench.jpg
51:01 <rust_collector> oh, why are you looking at T3sl4 s bench?
51:14 <alfbaz> LOL
51:48 <rust_collector> oh, jim
51:50 <rust_collector> ok
52:34 <rust_collector> well, I look at that picture... and look around... yes, the things are different, but... still sort of the same
53:02 <alfbaz> I had like a first gen i7 that was doing the job just fine but my bros are into gaming and upgraded his rif and gifted me his old one so ended up with a fancy rig with you bweuat gfx card and an oculus rift headset
53:39 <rust_collector> free upgrades are acceptable
54:30 <alfbaz> indeed, they're my favourite kind
59:57 <Halcyon> Ampera, stop feeding pizza to your squirrels
00:17 <rust_collector> I can take those!
10:47 <alfbaz> Halcyon: rustz reckons you know a thing or 2 about pc's, do you reckon if I force my psu on by shorting the psu_on pin on the 24pin atx connector rather than the pwr on pins for the front panel would work?
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13:17 <Halcyon> alfbaz, ermmmm.... not sure. Why can't you use the power switch pins?
14:05 <rust_collector> it seems his motherboard does not tell the power to turn on
14:21 <alfbaz> what he said
14:28 <Halcyon> OK, random.... ummm
15:12 <rust_collector> does it do anything at all?
15:13 <Halcyon> I guess you could short the two pins on the ATX connector? I've never done it.
15:30 <Halcyon> But I'd be looking into WHY the power pins don't turn on the power
15:32 <alfbaz> before it stopped altogether, if I turned the psu off or unplugged it I had to press the reset button immediatley followed by the pwr button for anything to happen
16:19 <Halcyon> Reset shouldn't have anything to do with it
16:26 <Halcyon> Either the board is faulty or the PSU is
16:39 <rust_collector> well, also... it shouldn't not work, lol
16:41 <alfbaz> yeah as I said before I have the board view file for my mobo and I'm currently tracing out the cct. I have enough info now to check that the appropriate signals are there or not
17:19 <alfbaz> I've tested the PSU, ie turned it on by itself and load tested the varous voltages
17:31 <Halcyon> Do you have a spare PSU you can test? That would be the quickest way to start diagnosing
18:17 <rust_collector> but yes, I, as in me, on my own computer, would enable the power, but yes, if you can dig thru that crap, then... good luck
18:39 <alfbaz> No, this one is brand new although I did manage to find a faulty HDD drive that caused all this shit in the first place
19:24 <Halcyon> Brand new doesn't mean it's not faulty
19:30 <rust_collector> I did see around 63000 results to z97 turning on.... seems pretty random
23:00 <alfbaz> Halcyon: I have tested it under load, all the voltage rails are within spec and I had observed the mobo not turning the PSU on randomly whilst rebuilding it. Pin 16 (PS_ON#) isn't going low and therfore not turning the PSU on.
24:36 <Halcyon> Does it happen all the time with any PSU or is it intermittent?
26:31 <Halcyon> I would eliminate the PSU 100% first before you look at anything else. If it happens with a second PSU, we know the issue is on the board.
27:26 <Halcyon> Also, I'm sure you've already looked at it, but I have experienced some of the pins on the ATX connector themselves work themselve loose. Make sure each one of them are pushed all the way into the plug.
28:08 <alfbaz> it was intermittent but now it's all the time. I'm about to clean the bench, setup the mobo and pwr supply and probe for the signals going to the I/O chip that handles the pwr button stuff and then check what seems to be the mobo chipset sigs that pull pin16 low
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30:14 <alfbaz> With regards to the psu this is the third one which is why I tested it in isolation as the US HDD seemed to have fried the previous 2 as well as the previous 2 mobo's
30:52 <rust_collector> I wonder how a drive can fry a power
31:14 <rust_collector> I guess they are pretty dumb, but...
31:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, I didn't give it pizza
31:19 <Ampera> it just had pizza
31:26 <Halcyon> How did it get pizza?
31:35 <Ampera> probably stole it
31:45 <Halcyon> Crafty squirrel
31:54 <Ampera> if I were to ever feed a squirrel, it'd be with lead
31:55 <Ampera> not pizza
32:02 <Halcyon> Aww they are cute
32:05 <Halcyon> We don't have them here
32:10 <Ampera> I enjoy harming cute things
32:11 <alfbaz> arn't they cute?
32:18 <rust_collector> it is probably on a diet. it can not eat only nuts all the time
32:22 <Halcyon> I'll harm you bitch
32:24 <Ampera> they are considered pests here, akin to rats
32:46 <Ampera> these are usually harmless, but some squirrels can cause some serious fucking damage in the right circumstances
32:47 <Halcyon> We have snakes, they take care of the mice and rats
33:19 <alfbaz> Our dog caught a rat the other day, I felt sorry for it
33:26 <Ampera> the rat or the dog
33:34 <alfbaz> lol the rat
33:44 <alfbaz> it was screaming its tits off
33:50 <Ampera> good eating
34:00 <alfbaz> I chopped its head of with a shove;l
34:05 <Ampera> awesome
34:08 <rust_collector> rats have many tits, I think
34:19 <Ampera> I wish I had many tits
34:40 <Halcyon> Hah
34:55 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
35:02 * Halcyon cups Ampera's tits
35:03 <alfbaz> LOL
35:06 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK
35:17 <Ampera> you don't even like tits
35:19 <Ampera> weirdo
35:21 <Halcyon> Got my application all done for a Sergeant's job
35:46 <Ampera> I've often thought about joining the military. It's like suicide, except you get to kill people instead of yourself.
35:52 <alfbaz> Sergeant of arms in a biky ganag?
36:08 <Halcyon> alfbaz, no, the regular non-wussy kind
36:15 <alfbaz> lol
36:25 <rust_collector> uuuhm
36:41 * Ampera faxes rust_collector a declaration of intention to fax
36:48 <rust_collector> WOOHOO!
37:10 * Halcyon faxes Ampera a black fax
37:25 * Ampera faxes Halcyon a rainbow fax
37:39 <Halcyon> I've never actually seen a colour fax before
37:44 <Halcyon> They weren't popular
37:45 <Ampera> I wasn't aware it was a thing
37:59 <Halcyon> I believe it was a standard, but few machines supported it
38:00 <Ampera> I can't imagine why, a phone like where anyone can waste your money mechanically?
38:08 <Ampera> *line
38:35 * Ampera directs a fax machine to Halcyon's home voice line, and sets it to auto-redial
38:58 <Ampera> It's amazing how many places still accept fax around here
39:06 <Halcyon> I don't have a home voice line
39:11 <Ampera> what's even more amazing is how many of the numbers work
39:15 <Ampera> you heathen
39:20 <Ampera> you rapscallion
39:25 <Ampera> you idiot
39:31 <Halcyon> :P
39:37 <Ampera> how is your bird
39:44 <Halcyon> Feathered
40:04 <Halcyon> I at some kim chi before and now I can taste it again
40:08 <Halcyon> *ate
40:19 <Ampera> you are weird
40:34 <Halcyon> What? Cabbage is delicious, especially with vinegar, garlic and chilli
40:47 <Ampera> I reiterate my previous statement
41:15 <Ampera> I get to go to the homeless despot tomorrow
41:20 <Ampera> and ask him
41:26 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnphD0ePokc
41:27 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: ON SALE at Omega Mart! Mammal Liquid
41:28 <Ampera> for some cable and outlet boxes
41:47 <Ampera> I'm glad this new bot has title resolution, so I know not to click on these links
41:55 <Ampera> I didn't really do it anyways, but now I feel justified in my caution
41:59 <Halcyon> :P
42:11 <Halcyon> It's the weird kind of video you might actually like
42:22 <Ampera> I do not enjoy weird youtube videos
42:53 <Ampera> I only watch, public, educational television I'll have you know sir
42:54 <rust_collector> http://www.5z8.info/craigslistblowjob_w8i8by_worm.exe
43:24 <Ampera> rust_collector, I didn't know they made those, rust_collector
43:33 <Halcyon> rust_collector, I can't get it to execute :P
43:33 <rust_collector> no, it is a bit weird
43:42 * Ampera executes Halcyon 
43:57 <rust_collector> you are using the wrong windows
44:00 <Ampera> By guillotine, the sophisticated way to commit murder
44:08 <Halcyon> Dammit, I'll have to upgrade from 3.11
44:14 * Ampera has a brick, for throwing through said windows
44:36 <rust_collector> 3.11 was nice
45:03 <rust_collector> I mean, you could just shut it down, and still use the machine for the useful things
45:06 <Halcyon> I have fond memories of Trumpet Winsock
45:39 <Ampera> By accepting this brick through this window, you accept it as is and agree to my disclaimer of all warranties, express or implied, as well as disclaimers of all liability, direct, indirect, consequential or incidental, that may arise from the installation of this brick into your building.
47:32 * Ampera installs a TSR into Halcyon 
47:52 * Halcyon runs out of conventional memory
48:44 <Ampera> looks like I must employ unconventional means
48:58 * Ampera starts shoving SIMM's up Halcyon's ass
49:05 <Halcyon> Pointy
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50:32 <Ampera> I'm excited for apple to release their new macbook pros so I can buy it and finally become a douchebag
50:40 <Halcyon> :P
50:43 * Ampera hugs Nothing\
51:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, are your breaker panels usually made out of metal?
51:17 <Nothing\> heyo
51:26 <rust_collector> I am thinking I could perhaps want one of those, in a couple of generations, if they get cheaper
51:26 * Nothing\ tackle hungs Ampera <3
51:32 <Ampera> how are you are you are you ou ou are hou hou aerou Nothing\ n \;?
51:39 <Halcyon> Commerical ones are, home ones are usually plastic
51:47 <Nothing\> I'm good, I finally bought my single board computer
51:54 <Ampera> the 20$ panel I bought is quite decent sheet metal
52:00 <Ampera> afaik all of ours are metal
52:09 <Nothing\> except instead of getting the one with the CMOS 6502 chip, I got one with a CMOS 65816 chip
52:34 <Nothing\> which can either act as a 6502, or a 6516, which is like a 16 bit analog of the 6502
52:43 <Nothing\> and the same chip they used in the SNES
53:01 <Nothing\> so I get the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned
53:28 <Nothing\> I also found a PDF of a nice looking book on how to program both chips that was selling for $40 on amazon lol
53:34 <Nothing\> or $10 for the kindle version
53:53 <Nothing\> but i've never read single book on a digital device, so screw that
54:02 <Ampera> I prefer the fondle bookreaders to kindles
54:08 <Nothing\> and I already just paid like $85 for this after the shipping
54:18 <Nothing\> is that... is that a real thing?
54:24 <Ampera> he's very real
54:36 <Nothing\> I just picture an arm coming out of the screen and cupping your balls for you
54:47 <Ampera> why just balls
54:51 <Ampera> there are far nicer places to fondle
54:54 * Ampera fondles Halcyon all over
55:06 * Halcyon wriggles
55:19 <Nothing\> yeah truth be told, i would NOT be comfortable having somebody fondle my balls
55:19 * Ampera reads a book during the fondling
55:29 <Nothing\> I don't even like touching my own balls
55:31 <Ampera> oh goodie, it's the communist manifesto, by groucho marx
55:56 <Nothing\> huh, now that i'm talking about this, I just remembered I had a dream either last night or the night before in which I had this exact same conversation with somebody IRL
56:13 <Ampera> about inappropriate sexual touching via e-reader?
56:13 <Halcyon> Nothing\, what's wrong with that?
56:24 <Ampera> you have pretty decent dreams
56:28 <Nothing\> Halcyon, what? having my balls fondled?
56:28 <Ampera> I wish I had dreams like yours
56:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, I had my first lucid dream in years the other night
56:53 <Nothing\> it made me so happy to know i'm still capable of lucid dreaming
57:00 <Ampera> I hope I never get a lucid dream
57:13 <Ampera> I like my dreams so much better when I don't have to drive them
57:25 <Nothing\> i didn't really do anything cool though, I more just got down on the ground and examined it really close up to see how much detail I could make out.
57:27 <Ampera> the sensation of your body moving against your will is so euphoric
57:53 <Nothing\> and then at one point I remember for some reason I had my eyes closed, so I opened them, and I felt like I opened my eyes IRL, but I couldn't see anything IRl, just my dream.
58:07 <Ampera> I know some dreams have the side effect of giving one strange dreams
58:16 <Ampera> I wonder if there is a drug that specifically gives one strange dreams
58:26 <Ampera> and is legal to purchase
58:37 <Nothing\> Ampera, tell me about it, with the driving thing.
58:40 <Halcyon> Nothing\, yup
58:48 <Nothing\> for some reason every time I have a driving dream, something goes wrong.
59:00 <Nothing\> like i'm in the passenger seat, or the back seat.
59:12 <Nothing\> or the car crashes for some reason and i'm liable
59:14 <Ampera> my dreams often defy summarization, or even explanation
59:38 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah it's weird how non-sensical dreams can be, yet you never once question it.
59:39 <Ampera> one of my favorite recurring dreams include me being unable to dial a phone
59:49 <Ampera> I prefer to enjoy the fireworks
59:55 <Nothing\> it's like your brain has this protective mechanism to prevent it from knowing when it's dreaming for some reason.
59:56 <Ampera> people complain about strange dreams, I complain about not getting enough of them
00:06 <Nothing\> I love strange dreams.
00:19 <Ampera> my life is a strange dream
00:49 <Nothing\> for some reason my dreams always take place in alternate versions of reality
01:11 <Ampera> It'd be strange if your dreams took place in normal versions of reality
01:14 <Nothing\> like, i'll be in places i've been before, but they're always different. But always in the same way.
01:39 <Nothing\> I could almost draw a map of my dream world.
01:40 <Ampera> Some of my most emotional dreams are where I'm in places I haven't seen for years
01:52 <rust_collector> It is not often I remember anything about my dreams... I do remember one, where I crawl up the hill from the neighbor, and get up here, and there are some pretty ladies sunbathing, and a pig sized cat walks by, and I push it out of the way, and the ladies start nagging about being mean to the cat
01:56 <Nothing\> i almost always have dreams about places and people from my past for some reason.
02:10 <Ampera> perhaps the oldest dream I can still remember has to do with a convenience store that used to be next to a house I only lived in until I was 5
02:16 <Nothing\> I used to take an antipsychotic that gave me tons of dreams, I loved it so much.
02:26 <Nothing\> I'd have like 5-8 dreams a night that I remembered
02:32 <Nothing\> and usually 1-2 lucid dreams a week
02:44 <Halcyon> I have lucid dreams if I eat lots of chilli
02:49 <Halcyon> Mostly I don't remember them
02:51 <Nothing\> it was even better when I took chantix, cuz that stuff makes you dream even more.
02:56 <Ampera> My most boring dreams usually involve Halcyon
03:03 <Halcyon> \o/
03:12 <Halcyon> It's sweet you dream about me
03:13 <Nothing\> Halcyon, it helps if you don't move or talk for a few minutes after you wake up and just lie there thinking about the dream
03:17 <Ampera> What's funny is people usually say computers don't work in dreams
03:21 <Ampera> yet computers always work in mine
03:35 <Nothing\> I've had computers work, but the text never stays the same
03:42 <rust_collector> you are programmed for that
03:54 <Nothing\> that was always a trigger for me to become lucid. I'd read something, look away, then read it again and it'd always be different.
03:58 <Ampera> I wish I could be programmed
04:03 <Ampera> then I could fix my own personal flaws
04:16 <Nothing\> or if I look at my surroundings, close my eyes, then look at them again, something will always change.
04:38 <Nothing\> and of course there's the thing where light switches don't work
04:45 <rust_collector> are you sure you want to swap your flaws with some other random flaws?
04:50 <Ampera> for me, phones will work, but my hands won't work
05:05 <Ampera> like I'll be desperate to call 911, and no matter what I do, I can't seem to dial the number
05:08 <Nothing\> or gravity doesn't work right, like i'll jump and end up jumping higher than I normally can, and fall back to the ground slower than I should.
05:20 <Ampera> rust_collector, I've dreamed of doing that for years
05:33 <Ampera> if I could get someone else's stupid flaws instead of mine, I would be so happy
06:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, yeah i've had that problem. When I used to have a lot of lucid dreams, one thing I'd do is try to use a phone to call my subconscious and talk to it. But I'd either not be able to find a phone, or the keypad on the phone would be all wrong.
06:04 <rust_collector> the horse is not always on the other side of the fence, or what it is they say
06:12 <Ampera> Perhaps my single greatest wish in life is to be someone else
06:32 <Ampera> rust_collector, it's don't jerk off a horse unless you mean it
06:34 <Ampera> that's the saying
06:35 <Ampera> I think
06:38 <Nothing\> eventually I learned how to conjur a phone, and that if I just dialed jibberish on the keypad, the phone still did what I wanted.
07:33 <rust_collector> a bulbous moist horse
07:48 <Nothing\> I had a few conversations with my subconscious, but I don't remember anything about them. Just that my subconscious sounded like a female robot and only ever seemed to have pre-programmed responses to things I said. Sorta like a real life phone robot.
07:55 <rust_collector> mooooiiiisssstt
08:00 <Ampera> as they say, ain't no clock like horse cock
08:18 <Nothing\> Ampera, I think mr hands was the only one who ever said that
08:24 <Nothing\> until he pushed it too far
08:25 <Ampera> I just said it
08:27 <Nothing\> pun intended
08:49 <Ampera> I'd gladly accept horse cock, if it were not for the grave crime against nature
09:04 <Ampera> otherwise, internal bleeding would be cool
09:16 <Nothing\> Ampera, you never saw mr hands, did you?
09:29 <Ampera> I don't watch your mexican TV sorry
09:35 <Nothing\> it's not a tv show
09:43 <Ampera> and you're not mexican
09:46 <Ampera> we're both right
09:50 <Nothing\> it's a video of a guy getting literally fucked to death by a horse
10:11 <Nothing\> incidentally, he wound up being an engineer for boeing
10:21 <Ampera> no, surprisingly enough, despite my severe flaws, I have never actually sought out video of a person being fucked to death
10:28 <Ampera> interesting
10:33 <Ampera> how did he become an engineer after dying
10:34 <Nothing\> nobody ever seeks these things out
10:47 <Ampera> oh I'm sure some people do
10:50 <rust_collector> heh, oh, yes some do
10:53 <Ampera> er, perhaps people is a bit too generous
11:02 <Nothing\> you just come across it. usually from somebody sharing it with you. Or when I used to frequent shock sites
11:14 <Nothing\> Ampera, well, ever see weekend at bernie's?
11:33 <Ampera> if a friend sent me a video of a man being fucked to death by a horse, that friend would not be my friend for long
11:42 <Ampera> no I have not
12:07 <Nothing\> Ampera, I guess the internet was a different place before your generation came along lol
12:15 <rust_collector> the pain olymoics one is pretty good, for a video
12:21 <Nothing\> or at least before you guys became old enough to use it
12:30 <Ampera> I've been on the internet since I was 5
12:31 <Nothing\> rust_collector, haha I was just thinking about that one the other day.
13:08 <Nothing\> Some guy on YouTube was asking me about some of the worst things I've seen. I was going to suggest the pain olympics, but just told him to look up fournier's gangrene instead.
13:16 <Nothing\> which btw, don't look up fournier's gangrene
13:27 <Ampera> I'll bookmark it right next to blue waffles
13:31 <Nothing\> it's gangrene/necrosis of the genitals
13:32 <Ampera> and meatspin
13:40 <Ampera> nice
13:44 <Nothing\> blue waffle apparently wasn't a real thing
13:54 <Ampera> it was as real as it got
13:57 <Ampera> it was on the internet
14:02 * Ampera sneezes
14:03 <Ampera> FUCK
14:06 <Ampera> anyways
14:09 <Nothing\> where's the other one?
14:27 <Nothing\> yeah anyways
14:30 * Ampera sneezes, blanketing Nothing\ in a blood, puss, and mucous bukakke
14:30 <Nothing\> back to dreams
14:39 <Nothing\> you know a weird thing about dreams I found?
14:44 <Ampera> no
14:45 <rust_collector> yes
14:47 <Ampera> how could I know
14:47 <Nothing\> when I had lucid dreams and I'd fly
14:50 <Ampera> you haven't told it to me yet
14:58 <Ampera> bah, I can fly in real life
15:05 <rust_collector> ..................or has he?
15:05 <Nothing\> if I flew far enough, I'd eventually come to some sort of scenery that was just the same thing repeating
15:18 <Nothing\> like an endless forest, or a desert, or an ocean
15:29 <rust_collector> the windows xp wallpaper
15:34 <rust_collector> forever
15:36 <Nothing\> it's like my brain was unable to keep up with the speed of my flight and just gave up generating new landscapes
16:06 <Ampera> I'm bored
16:09 <Ampera> you're boring zoidberg
16:11 <Nothing\> and the only reason I figured that out was because somebody else told me about it, so it's not something unique to me
17:19 <Halcyon> I'd actually go and see this attraction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXmhf-6itUg
17:19 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Omega Mart Experience | Meow Wolf Las Vegas
17:36 <rust_collector> ok, I think it is time for a nap. good night
17:44 <Halcyon> Night rust_collector
18:04 <Ampera> why are you like this Halcyon
18:11 <Ampera> all australian and shit
18:21 <Halcyon> That shit is American
18:24 <Ampera> you are the most australian person I know
18:28 <Ampera> and I know at least one australian
20:13 <Ampera> https://youtube.com/watch?v=v84E3u315VE
20:14 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sha La La La La
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21:47 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obi4iELWJ3Y
21:48 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Vengaboys - Shalala lala
22:59 <Ampera> nope
23:09 <Halcyon> :P
23:12 <Ampera> I know who that is and am refusing to click that link
23:26 <Ampera> I hate this laptop, but I don't quite want to burn it yet
23:36 <Halcyon> BRB, need to feed the magpies
29:13 * Halcyon throws pork mince at Ampera
29:30 * Ampera throws Halcyon at Halcyon 
30:19 <Ampera> anyways
30:22 <Ampera> good night
37:15 <Halcyon> Night Ampera
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31:04 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/YuhtmX0BeLw?t=398
31:05 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Even MORE Proof Americans Will Buy ANYTHING!
31:18 <Halcyon> Wow, such convinving acting
33:13 <Halcyon> *convincing
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15:12 <alfbaz> I must be a yank, I want a fushigi :P
16:17 <Halcyon> Hahah
16:53 <alfbaz> LOL I'm sure I've had chia bread slices at some stage
17:57 <alfbaz> oh this vidoe is gold
18:57 <Halcyon> It's so terrible. The junk people buy.
24:22 <alfbaz> That's better... before https://imgur.com/AdkbCt1
24:22 <eevBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
24:29 <alfbaz> after
24:53 <alfbaz> https://imgur.com/aRXHoUe
24:54 <eevBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
25:02 <Halcyon> Much better
28:22 <alfbaz> This has given me an idea for a project. A multiple input volt/amp dc meter so you can watch record a heap of DC voltages and/or currents simultaneously
30:43 <Lemon> damn its early
31:57 <alfbaz> to go to bed or to get up?
33:30 <Lemon> to get out of it lol
33:50 <Halcyon> Morning Lemon
33:55 <Lemon> im gonna call 1-900-9099-CRY
33:58 <Lemon> pffrttt
34:05 <Lemon> hey Halcyon :>
34:21 <Halcyon> Was that a fart sound?
35:21 * alfbaz checks his microphone is not on, cause he litrally just farted :o
35:26 <Lemon> it was everything and nothing at the same time !
35:30 <Halcyon> <Lemon> pffrttt
37:03 <Lemon> hopefully I'll get the gpu today
37:08 <Lemon> so I can put my 1080 on ebay
53:18 <alfbaz> oh FFS! the damn mobo has come good after spending all that time setting up for fault finding
54:50 <Halcyon> Heh
54:56 <Halcyon> Always the way
55:01 <Halcyon> Which makes me think a loose connector
57:06 <alfbaz> hmmm maybe I should start hanging perepherals off of it on the bench... I'm gonna need more gaff tape :P
57:51 <Lemon> speaking of faulty things
58:07 <Lemon> I have an iphone 5s that wont take a charge, im pretty sure the battery is ok but the connector isnt
58:34 <Lemon> I plugged it to a battery pack to check if it takes the 90/100 usual mA, through a fixture I made and my power analyzer
58:42 <Lemon> and its taking something between 20 and 26ma
58:56 <Lemon> lightning cable by itself use 5ma, I guess its for the chip inside
59:45 <Lemon> the fixture I made can't let anything charge an iphone, as it got no data pins
59:49 <Lemon> if only I knew that, but whatever
00:04 <Lemon> it shows a difference when plugged, which tells me that maybe the connector is alright
02:30 <alfbaz> Halcyon: Ill be mindfull of connections but had the bare board in the case, nothing connected except psu plugs and attempting to start it by shorting the fornt pannel pwr button pins and it still did it
06:02 <alfbaz> Lemon: are you able to measure the battery charge voltage with some degree of accuracy when placing it on charge, most chargers have to see some sort of voltage increase before they'll start charging as a safety thing
06:26 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2wjrYXSlo
06:27 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Macorona n' Cheese
11:54 <Lemon> well I can try to measure it while plugging it yeah
11:57 <Lemon> lets see if it moves
12:11 <Lemon> ha wait
12:13 <Lemon> I have another idea
12:22 <Lemon> it may be dumb, but if I connect the lightning cable to it
12:35 <Lemon> and measure positive and ground of the type A usb plug
12:41 <Lemon> do I see the voltage of the battery ?
12:48 <Lemon> that would be beautiful but I doubt it
15:05 <Halcyon> I doubt it
15:14 <Halcyon> The charge controller will prevent that
15:38 <Lemon> yeah
16:25 <Lemon> and its horrible to open those
16:30 <Lemon> gotta suck the screen out etc
16:41 <Halcyon> Yep they are glued together
19:16 <Lemon> I mean, dead for dead
19:32 <Lemon> if when I connect it, it takes 15 more miliamps, it at least means the connect aint dead
19:56 <Lemon> my mother needs a phone, I have an iphone X that was my fathers, and its been in a drawer for 2 years now...
20:01 <Lemon> thats a bit sad for such a phone
20:10 <Lemon> but its so big and expensive, we were always scared of damaging it
20:20 <Lemon> I think I will give her my SE and take it to make it live
24:47 <Halcyon> Weren't the X's a particularly unreliable model?
24:53 <Halcyon> Screen failures, battery failures
25:34 <Halcyon> Or am I thinking of the 6
25:46 <Halcyon> Actually, I think the iPhone 6's were a pile of shit
25:53 <Halcyon> And the 6S
29:42 <Lemon> the 6 werent good yeah but 6s was actually amongst the best according to my dear father
30:00 <Lemon> who probably tested most phones from 13-15 years ago to 2 years ago
30:08 <Halcyon> I thought they both suffered from the same hardware issues?
30:26 <Lemon> he always said the 6s offered much more than the 6 for a small difference in price
30:29 <Halcyon> I mean in my experience, no iphone has been particularly "good". But for a basic phone, the SE was probably the best
30:32 <Lemon> and a few other issues I forgot
30:32 <Halcyon> The form factor I liked
30:39 <Lemon> ha yeah my favourite too !
30:45 <Lemon> ho well they always worked nice tbh
30:57 <Halcyon> I have one in the office that just plays spotify all day
31:08 <Lemon> its still my daily phone :>
31:10 <Halcyon> The battery sucks, but I guess you can't blame it since it's so small
31:27 <Lemon> he always went back to iphones, because of simplicity and because it worked
31:38 <Lemon> tons of issues on android, sadly
31:41 <Halcyon> Oh yeh, for a simple phone, they are fine
31:44 <Lemon> powerful phones yes but to what cost
31:56 <Halcyon> Once you start wanting to "fiddle" they are frustrating
31:59 <Lemon> blackberry os or whatever it was called, the very first one was super nice
32:25 <Lemon> I know they sold it, and they ended up having an android version if im right
32:41 <Halcyon> Android is a bit like Windows (with the exception of Windows 8/10) in that, if you pair it with good hardware, it's perfectly fine. On cheap shit hardware, expect cheap shit results.
33:24 <Halcyon> Back in the days of building PCs, there was an art to it
33:39 <Halcyon> Anyone could screw a case and some components together, whether they were any good was a different story
34:51 <Lemon> hmmmm I dont really know tbh
34:59 <Lemon> ive seen top of the line phones that had tons of issues
35:02 <Lemon> and cheapos working fine
35:13 <Halcyon> There was no reason a Windows 98se or Windows XP box couldn't go for months and months without a reboot or crashing.
35:15 <Lemon> I think android is a bit too random
35:34 <Lemon> haa well, even if windows 10 isnt too bad compared to previous ones, its still wonky lets be honest
35:45 <Halcyon> I *hate* Windows 10's interface
35:46 <Lemon> I use it daily because I play a bit and dont mind some problems
35:50 <Lemon> but it works fairly well
35:53 <Halcyon> And even on expensive hardware, I have issues
36:25 <Halcyon> Windows 10 seems unfinished to me. It's like they set out to completely re-design Windows but stopped half-way through
36:34 <Lemon> yeah I mean its a bi-xeon with all the good stuff, im 100% the hardwarve by itself can run 24/7 for years
36:38 <Lemon> but windows wont accept that lol
37:08 <Lemon> "thats a very nice stable system you got there, would be a shame if I..."
37:18 <Halcyon> We use $13k HP workstations at work and even those have some minor issues
37:28 <Lemon> hooooo what are the specs ?
37:28 <Halcyon> Usually display corruption or USB ports randomly refusing to work
37:34 <Lemon> ho yes usb
37:40 <Lemon> usb was always an issue
37:45 <Lemon> thats why I got a pci gpib card
37:48 <Lemon> and now it works, decently
38:22 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - RT @nerds_feed: The contents of a single fire truck 🚒. https://t.co/51bQQzKMMg
39:14 <Halcyon> Similar to these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk2wjrYXSlo
39:15 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Macorona n' Cheese
39:16 <Halcyon> Dammit
39:21 <Halcyon> https://store.hp.com/au-en/default/desktops/business-desktops-1/z-workstations/hp-z8-g4-workstation-9vx16pa.html
39:23 <Halcyon> These
39:24 <eevBot> [Title] - HP Z8 G4 Workstation | HP Store Australia
40:30 <Lemon> really nice beast
40:43 <Halcyon> They are, but you mostly pay for the badge
40:50 <Lemon> I have absolutely no use of the one I built, but damn I always wanted a bi-xeon fo whatever reasons lol
41:00 <Lemon> and I got a superb price on two e5 2698 v3's
41:09 <Halcyon> I have a dual proc HP Z800 sitting next to me now
41:12 <Halcyon> It's my test PC
42:02 <Halcyon> Actually I wonder what's in it...
42:17 <Lemon> cases are super nice
42:28 <Lemon> I didnt have much choices, only one could fit that mobo lo
42:33 <Halcyon> Yeh they are one of the better tool-less cases I've used
42:36 <Lemon> well, only one case with a reasonnable price
43:13 <Halcyon> My Z800 has x2 Xeon X5690's
43:23 <Halcyon> I mean it's an old machine
43:35 <Halcyon> Only 24 GB RAM
43:45 <Halcyon> But it runs Windows 7 and a few legacy applications I use from time to time
44:19 <Lemon> heh those are still neat, and quite cheap nowadays :>
45:23 <Halcyon> Not a bad performer.
45:35 <Halcyon> Sure, it uses a bit of power, but I don't have it running all the time
46:14 <Lemon> yeah
46:19 <Lemon> I was quite surprised about mine
46:33 <Lemon> when im just doing IRC and some web browsing, it uses 180-250 watts
46:43 <Halcyon> I'll measure mine...
46:46 <Lemon> not a lot for two xeons, a gtx 1080. a few things
48:01 <Halcyon> It's in the 300 watt ballpark at low load
02:37 <Lemon> heh not bad
09:32 <Lemon> I hope my 1080 will sell quickly
09:36 <Lemon> I really want that lcr meter :>
12:34 <Halcyon> How much you askingm?
14:40 <Lemon> ho it will be an outrageous price, as they suddenly rose by 2.5 times the price I paid for it 2 years ago, used lol
14:55 <Lemon> some are selling at 5-550 euros+ without a box
15:02 <Lemon> so if I can sell it for 450-500 im happy
15:28 <Lemon> every single gpu rose in price, even gtx 7XX series
15:43 <Lemon> I found an hd 7970 for 80 delivered, which is fine for what I do
16:58 <Lemon> its a nice opportunity to get a new toy
22:29 <Halcyon> Just put the right keywords in ebay... Crypto, Mining, Bitcoin etc...
24:07 <Halcyon> Some idiot will pay top dollar for it :P
24:55 <Lemon> ho even without it, some people are selling an image and bots bid on it
25:00 <Lemon> thats how bad the state is lol
26:10 <Halcyon> An image?
26:13 <Halcyon> As in, a picture?
28:00 <Lemon> yeah, to "fight the speculation"
28:15 <Lemon> they write it in the description etc
35:07 <steve30> hi
35:58 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
49:44 * steve30 coffees
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53:33 * Halcyon sits with Steve
53:40 <Halcyon> Any more of those Tim Tams left? :P
57:49 <steve30> I promptly finished them
57:58 * steve30 has a shortage of chocolate atm
58:14 <Halcyon> I will have to send you another box Steve :P
58:19 <Halcyon> They make all kinds of flavours
58:32 <Halcyon> Maybe another unboxing video? This time with food stuffs
02:03 * steve30 notes he is a chocolate addict
02:26 <Halcyon> Noted. I will start working on another box :P
03:57 <steve30> ooh, yum
04:46 <Halcyon> How are you with dark chocolate?
05:07 <Halcyon> Or do you prefer milk?
05:44 <Lemon> hmmm I have a nice 24bit multi channel adc I wanted to use to make a simple 2 or 4 channel voltmeter
05:47 <Lemon> I never got around it
05:52 <Lemon> maybe its time to try stuff
06:43 <Lemon> im not aiming at an insane accuracy
08:35 <Lemon> its an ADS1256
08:45 <Lemon> 8 channels or 4 differential ones
10:20 <steve30> Halcyon, I like both
10:32 <Halcyon> Good, I have just the things to send to you :D
10:45 <Halcyon> It will be an all-chocolate box
11:44 <Halcyon> So head's up, you will need to prepare for a tasting video :P
15:12 <steve30> :P
15:45 <Halcyon> Since we're coming into winter soon, now would be a good time to post chocolate. It tends to get a bit melty otherwise
18:14 <steve30> I'll look forward to it :)
18:50 <steve30> Kill the Bill Part 1 is nearly done.
19:31 <Halcyon> Did you add the theme music? :P
21:01 <steve30> nope
21:09 <Halcyon> Booo
22:30 <Lemon> if I want to measure 0 to 30V dc, with that 24bit adc board, a simple voltage divider will work right ?
22:40 <Lemon> I can precisely measure resistors, I have a few good ones
22:52 <Halcyon> I'm going to say yes Lemon but don't take my advice
22:57 <Halcyon> Seems like a T3sl4 question
23:13 <Lemon> alright thanks :>
26:38 <Lemon> id be happy with 4.5 digits resolution and 0.01% accuracy
26:48 <Lemon> I saw a lot of projects from other peeps with the same board and they achieve much more
26:56 <Halcyon> I can't stop eating Kim Chi
27:01 <Halcyon> I'm going to be so farty later
34:49 <steve30> Halcyon, I was chatting to a cute twink on Recon.com but he's too far away. Distance sucks.
38:24 <Halcyon> Pics?
45:40 <alfbaz> posted this years ago on the forum but deserves another sprook :P
45:46 <alfbaz> https://imgur.com/eW0AtCO
45:46 <eevBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
46:15 <Halcyon> High tech clothes peg?
47:32 <steve30> cool
47:56 <alfbaz> yeah was gonna get a red one see if it got more bandwidth
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55:47 <steve30> I'm guessing LBRY supports 1080p60...
55:56 <Halcyon> I believe so
15:41 <steve30> Halcyon, did you see my anti-5g leaflet?
15:50 <Halcyon> I did not
16:38 <steve30> I put it in Dodgy Technology but its disappeared
16:56 <Halcyon> Oh that could be because Dave broke the forum :P
17:42 <Lemon> just got the gpu, box + accessories, and card itself in perfect condition !
17:46 <Lemon> I will install it later :>
18:03 <Halcyon> Can you re-post Steve?
19:52 <steve30> yeah, i notice Dave broke it
28:52 <steve30> Halcyon, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/funny-anti-5g-leaflet/new/#new
28:54 <eevBot> [Title] - Funny Anti 5G Leaflet - Page 1
30:03 <Halcyon> Spell-check Steve :P
32:02 <Halcyon> Dont put it at my request
32:06 <Halcyon> You posted it initially
32:07 <Halcyon> Clown
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35:18 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
45:11 <Ysjoelfir> how do I taste?
45:16 <Lemon> hi :>
45:23 <Ysjoelfir> sour it seems?
47:29 <Lemon> a little reminder please, when you make a voltage divider, to calculate the power the resistors will dissipate, lets say I use a 2k and 2M resistors, I take the voltage and divide it by the sum of both resistors, right ?
47:56 <Ysjoelfir> if you want to know the total power dissipated, yes
48:18 <Ysjoelfir> of you want to know the individual powers you have to calculate it for each resistor individually
48:18 <Lemon> hmmm but by resistor, thats 2k by voltage and 2m by voltage ?
48:22 <Lemon> ok ok
48:24 <Lemon> I wasnt sure
48:38 <Lemon> thanks :> I dug that 4 differential channel, 24 bit adc board !
48:49 <Lemon> an ads 1256
49:04 <Ysjoelfir> ahh, nice. now you make a nice benchtop multimeter?
49:11 <Lemon> and I was looking at good resistors for the input voltage divider, figured out I could use those nice fluke wirewounds
49:21 <Lemon> well, I'd like to make a 4 channel voltmeter yes ! a really simple one
49:41 <Lemon> I have 3 of those resistors, I know they have a super low tempco
49:55 <Lemon> a 2.01K, 252.84K and 4.091M
50:22 <Lemon> if I use the 252.84K and 4.091M, I could make a reasonnable divider
50:27 <Lemon> 80 volts input would give 5
50:35 <Lemon> but if it goes up to 40 tbh, im fine
50:45 <Lemon> it will be mostly to measure power supplies, or stuff like this
51:00 <Lemon> but I want it to be decently accurate :>
52:02 <Lemon> I think its quite a good adc, used in a few bench dmms, like a rigol 6.5 digits dmm
52:06 <Lemon> https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/ads1255.pdf
54:38 <Lemon> and here's the vref on it https://www.analog.com/en/products/adr03.html#product-overview
54:39 <eevBot> [Title] - ADR03 Datasheet and Product Info | Analog Devices
55:28 <Lemon> I can calibrate everything with my meters
55:49 <Lemon> if I can get 4.5/5.5 digits, with an accuracy of 100ppm, i'd be quite happy already !
56:16 <Lemon> watcha think my dear Ysjoelfir ?
57:39 <Ysjoelfir> "should I go to the kitchen, grab a bowl with cornflakes and milk, go back and enjoy it, or should I skip breakfast and start working now?"
01:16 <Lemon> heh cornflakes ofc !
07:30 * Ysjoelfir cornflakeses
15:12 <Lemon> this adc got a non linerarity of 0.001%
15:38 <Lemon> it means that without taking in account the resistor divider, the reference or anything else, I have already 10ppm of uncertainty ?
20:31 <Hsn> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=981Pl9-pCLQ
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26:12 <Ysjoelfir> I love that one
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43:44 <Ysjoelfir> awwww, I was just gathering my hunting equipment!
52:22 * Ampera sneezes
52:24 * Ampera sneezes again
52:34 * Ampera retracts one of those sneezes, as it was issued in error
52:35 * DogWomble_ wipes it off the walls
52:44 <Ampera> oh shit it's that guy
52:46 <Ampera> how are you doing DogWomble_
52:57 <DogWomble_> yeah doing ok, how about you?
53:06 <Ampera> apathetic with rage
53:17 <DogWomble_> isn't that a contradiction in terms?
53:31 <Ampera> oh good, I was afraid you wouldn't get the joke
53:45 <DogWomble_> :)
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