// #eevblog — 2021-01-01
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00:05:34 * rust_collector is doing noodle things
00:07:06 * Ampera noodles rust_collector
00:09:28 <rust_collector> hullo
00:16:34 * steve30 had fish for luch
00:18:16 * steve30 attempts to download an EEVblog episode over egprs
00:37:47 <K> hello rabbits
00:37:47 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
00:37:58 <K> Ysjoelfir, glad you like it
00:41:02 <steve30> hello EEVBlog
00:42:26 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: This user has performed an illegal operation and will be shut down.
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01:06:20 <Lord_of_nothing> Happy new year Sydney!
01:07:49 Quit: Flash ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
01:16:53 <Ampera> EEVBlog time
01:16:54 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 01:16 Sydney time.
01:16:58 <Ampera> so it is
01:19:56 <rust_collector> aaaah. this is like being born again, just that it is not cold and bright lights.
01:20:04 <Ysjoelfir> xD
01:20:42 <rust_collector> I had to block the bot yesterday.
01:22:25 <rust_collector> oh well, we will see
01:24:08 <Ampera> if everyone's getting sick of seeing his tweets, I can turn it off
01:24:28 <rust_collector> nah, do what you want.
01:25:29 <rust_collector> it is just my opinion, that if I want to see daves tweets, I can go on twitter, and look at them. if you want them here, meh, that is up to you
01:25:59 <rust_collector> it just gets a bit too much some days.
01:26:33 <Ampera> I've been trying to think of a way to make it better, like a votemute or some other system
01:26:51 <Ampera> it's annoying about IRC that I can't have the bot be visible on an opt-in basis
01:29:42 <K> you could have channel for twitter announcements
01:29:50 <rust_collector> heh
01:30:00 <Ampera> I'm actually looking into some other options
01:30:06 <Ampera> as I'm wondering if there is a way to do exactly that
01:30:33 <Ampera> for example, if I could send a message only to people who have voice, then I could use voice as a subscription system
01:31:05 <K> hmm, too complicated
01:31:17 <K> i would be more annoyed with random bot spamming me privmshs
01:31:42 <K> but you could try, maybe it is not that bad
01:53:24 <electrohead> o/
01:54:00 <rust_collector> mornings me head
02:00:25 <rust_collector> this was annoying. i am adding a winding to a transformer, and it looks like my wire should have been 20cm longer
02:05:20 <Ysjoelfir> thats always bad
02:05:32 <K> soross be steelin yo magnet wire
02:05:48 <K> 20cm at a time
02:06:19 <rust_collector> heh, magnet wire... well... I am using parts of a network cable, it is not a huge deal, lol
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02:11:51 <Lord_of_nothing> stroke it gently maybe it get longer
02:13:31 <Lord_of_nothing> happy new year Jakutsk!
02:21:57 <rust_collector> oh gawd, stroking it made it too long.
02:22:56 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdLm08zfE4g
02:23:04 <Lord_of_nothing> mr eevblogs his "new" video
02:34:10 <Lord_of_nothing> Is anyone familiar with such thinks: https://de.aliexpress.com/item/1005001682866682.html
02:34:44 <rust_collector> no, it says it is for women
02:35:56 <rust_collector> butt I guess it would work, if you kept it in the freezer, until you plugged it in
02:36:08 <Lord_of_nothing> its not for me its for a lady
02:36:55 <Lord_of_nothing> it should be a late christmas giftr
02:48:59 <rust_collector> I think this project is going to work. the point is to see if I can make something working out of junk, done in the most wrong way I can.
02:50:13 * arch shanks rust_collector with a rusty nail
02:50:46 * rust_collector absorbs nail
02:53:18 <electrohead> "HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE AND REMEMBER A DILDO IS NOT A THING THAT SHOULD KEEP YOU WARM AT NIGHT, PEACE"
02:53:22 <electrohead> what a message
02:53:33 <electrohead> just read that in #irpg
02:53:35 <electrohead> lol..
02:55:59 <arch> LOL, this response is epic...just epic. https://www.amazon.com/ask/questions/Tx1Y2NBBN9OYVO5
02:56:02 <arch> scroll down to the end
02:56:40 <arch> so many dumbdumbs on amazon...honestly, which idiots think it's a good idea to DRINK acid?
02:57:43 <rust_collector> there are degrees to everything...
02:57:54 <Ysjoelfir> woah. just have this nice russian cake I saw recently. that is such a nice thing
02:58:06 <rust_collector> what wah?
02:58:15 <Lord_of_nothing> who put a dildo in there anus?!
02:58:24 <Lord_of_nothing> even big clife use the right tool for
02:58:32 <Lord_of_nothing> maybe someone remember?
02:59:21 <rust_collector> right tool for.....
03:00:01 <Lord_of_nothing> research
03:00:13 <Ysjoelfir> buttplug research?
03:00:14 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: I've made a multi-layer honey cake a few times already, the only russian dessert I've made so far
03:00:21 <Ysjoelfir> nice :)
03:00:30 <Ysjoelfir> I have this one... er.. *searches for link*
03:00:43 <Lord_of_nothing> sure who give your anus a propper feeling
03:01:20 <Lord_of_nothing> some other anus think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7dzQFk81rU
03:01:23 <Lord_of_nothing> leatet
03:01:52 <Ysjoelfir> [12:53:11] <rust_collector> I think I need this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCX8tKJVlQc
03:01:53 <Ysjoelfir> that one
03:02:29 <rust_collector> ah, yes, I think you do too
03:03:36 <Ysjoelfir> it is gorgeous
03:04:23 <electrohead> woah
03:05:20 <Lord_of_nothing> i found it!!!
03:05:21 <Lord_of_nothing> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClSch3zLC0k
03:06:08 <Lord_of_nothing> wow even youtube translate them: "Soll ich diese Elektrode in meinen Hintern stecken?"
03:07:15 <Ysjoelfir> lol
03:07:53 <Lord_of_nothing> so its for since
03:14:30 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
03:22:09 <Ampera> I've thought about buying a dildo before, but I think I'm already butthurt enough.
03:24:16 <rust_collector> arrgh, now I have too much windings.
03:31:50 * Ysjoelfir hands rusty a wirecutter
03:32:33 <rust_collector> other than going down to -0.9v, it does work pretty well
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03:49:33 <Kuschelpony> good eveniung from german timezone
03:50:00 <Andre> Good evening, same time zone in the Netherlands
03:50:36 <Kuschelpony> welcome neighbour
03:51:45 * electrohead waves from a far distance away
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03:52:33 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. timezone guys
03:52:45 <Andre> So what time is it around the world? Are there people in here already living in 2021?
03:53:42 <Kuschelpony> 17:54 locally here
03:54:02 <Ampera> I'm on holiday in hell right now, but when I get back I'll be sure to check that for you
03:54:25 * electrohead stares at the australians
03:54:28 <Andre> Hell? Norway?
03:55:11 <K> 18:55 here
03:57:22 <electrohead> 1157 here
03:59:07 Quit: Flash ([email protected]) Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client
04:01:12 <Ysjoelfir> 1801
04:02:47 <rust_collector> i was in hell, norway the other day, and yes, it still looks like it is 1801
04:08:58 <rust_collector> well, except for the airport. but other than that, very 1800s
04:20:03 <rust_collector> mmmmhf, fireworks has started
04:24:18 <Ysjoelfir> huh? already?
04:24:29 <rust_collector> mmhmmmm
04:26:20 <Andre> Fireworks are illegal this year here in the Netherlands
04:26:43 <rust_collector> up here, it is so wet, that I think they would be happy if somehting caught fire
04:27:19 <electrohead> lol
04:27:24 <K> dunno what will be with the fireworks here, we have a curvew from 22:00 till 5:00
04:27:37 <K> prolly wont stop some eejits anyway
04:27:41 <rust_collector> yes, but what year?
04:28:11 <K> any year!
04:28:23 <rust_collector> always!
04:30:23 <Kuschelpony> here its totally silent, i might go to sleep after the 3d print has finished
04:30:48 <Lord_of_nothing> @Kuschelpony Grüss Gott
04:30:53 <Andre> I've heard a few explosions, but it is rather silent.
04:31:08 <Lord_of_nothing> Mein Prusa ist am Black Friday bestellt aber noch nicht gekommen *cry*
04:31:11 <Andre> It felt kinda weird walking outside this afternoon, without the noise of fireworks in the background
04:31:43 <Kuschelpony> Mein Wanhao ist jetzt �ber 4 Jahre alt
04:32:08 <Andre> Was ist ein Prusa?
04:32:20 <rust_collector> 3d printer probably
04:34:41 <Kuschelpony> yes, a more common one
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05:07:17 <Lord_of_nothing> its a cz quality printer
05:08:12 <Lord_of_nothing> @Andre car bombs?
05:09:01 <rust_collector> someone around here is playing abba and creedence. it is just a matter of time before we get the rosegarden song
05:09:30 <Andre> just fireworks. there is a bit going on right now.
05:09:57 <Andre> Hopefully its enough to chase the bad ghosts from 2020 away
05:10:41 <Lord_of_nothing> sure...
05:11:19 <Lord_of_nothing> here firework is banned
05:11:30 <Lord_of_nothing> does it mean there is no? nope...
05:11:59 <Lord_of_nothing> I guess the police take a long napp at there station playing cards
05:12:09 <Ampera> Fireworks aren't common here on new year's
05:12:21 <Ampera> not too much moreso than the normal frequency people set them off here
05:12:26 <Ampera> it's the 4th of July where people go apeshit
05:12:44 <Ampera> this year was particularly bad, as there was considerable nationwide civil unrest
05:12:54 <Lord_of_nothing> what happen there?
05:13:05 <Ampera> politics happened
05:13:10 <Ampera> is the tl;dr
05:13:31 <Andre> Lord_of_nothing, fireworks in banned here as well... but some people don't care
05:13:32 <Ampera> one group of people committed heinous sins, so to combat that, another group of people committed other heinous sins
05:13:52 <Ampera> Any sort of pyrotechnics are banned here, even sprinklers
05:14:03 <Ampera> they'll book you even if you fart too aggressively
05:14:09 <Lord_of_nothing> welcome to the land of the free
05:14:33 <Ampera> in fairness, it's potentially unconstitutional, if you consider fireworks to be arms
05:15:16 <Ampera> furthermore, NY isn't the most uptight state about dangerous toys either
05:16:08 <Ampera> what's confusing though is how other states implement their laws. CT for example low yield fireworks are sold in supermarkets year round, but it's a criminal offense to have any BB/pellet gun in your car without a license to transport it
05:17:05 <Ampera> so you can buy literal actual explosives with your food, but if you have a single pump Daisy gun in your car, they'll book you
05:20:51 <rust_collector> explosives are fun. they banned bottle rockets here, which is fine. it makes no sense to have a nice explosive thing, and send it far away, before it goes boom
05:22:00 <Lord_of_nothing> hmm how about a laser show?
05:22:12 <rust_collector> no thanks
05:23:41 <rust_collector> I don't care too much about pretty fireworks, I just like things that go boom, so I can feel it
05:24:28 <Ampera> It's in the plans to potentially move to another state that's more forgiving of big boom things
05:26:24 <Andre> I prefer the pretty fireworks
05:26:37 <rust_collector> good for you
05:30:21 <Lord_of_nothing> what does the therm "animallover" mean to you every one?
05:30:45 <rust_collector> not much
05:31:09 <rust_collector> someone who likes animals, not much more than that
05:31:26 <Lord_of_nothing> what i know that define someone who have sexual intercorse with animals?!
05:31:42 <rust_collector> what you know?
05:34:15 <Lord_of_nothing> well i am alone behind my display
05:34:37 <Lord_of_nothing> maybe that its the position who the will find my death corpus in afwie weeks
05:56:02 <Lord_of_nothing> happy new year Neu-Delhi
06:10:03 <hsn> Happy new year friends. Im go
06:10:21 <rust_collector> yous go?
06:10:49 <rust_collector> is next year safe?
06:11:04 <hsn> Go out so i see u later .. next year
06:11:12 <rust_collector> have fun
06:11:26 <rust_collector> much boom boom to you
06:11:27 <hsn> U 2 enjoys
06:11:43 <hsn> And yes safe as much as covid was
06:14:07 <Ysjoelfir> Have enjoys my friend :)
06:20:43 <rust_collector> look at mr expensive underwear... he is probably going to the beach, to grill things, and send diy rockets in the general direction of israel
06:21:05 <Ysjoelfir> XD
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06:31:16 <Lord_of_nothing> hmm I will eat my indian food later and your guys?
06:31:31 <Lord_of_nothing> Now I sitt loneley in my basement
06:43:55 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
06:43:58 <Ysjoelfir> we'll have dinner now :D
06:44:30 <rust_collector> we are still making dinner. kids and wife are playing mario...
06:45:08 <rust_collector> I think she forgot to put the bird in the oven, so it will probably be a very late dinner
06:47:58 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gquLVDDWmOI
06:55:45 <Lord_of_nothing> mario on the n64?
06:55:53 <Lord_of_nothing> Whats your dinner?
06:56:24 <T3sl4> gosh, how hard are they swinging to pierce rivets through solid sheet
06:57:59 <rust_collector> mario on whatever thing they use, lol. we are having turkey and creamed potatoes again
06:59:06 <rust_collector> I have a feeling that thing is not going to last forever, but I sort of like it anyway
07:00:19 <rust_collector> I guess they want to just pop it thru, and not curl up the sheets too much?
07:01:12 <T3sl4> i'm just impressed that it pierces so smoothly
07:01:30 <rust_collector> yep.
07:02:07 <rust_collector> it does look like the sheets we use for ventilation stuff, so it is probably pretty soft
07:03:06 <T3sl4> yeah, looks dead soft (HRS)
07:03:57 <rust_collector> not that I know where they are exactly, but I wonder what that job is like in winter
07:04:48 <rust_collector> as they use a toe and an anvil as a vise, lol
07:24:09 <Nothing\> oh man
07:24:15 <Nothing\> i found a buncha old LCD games
07:24:30 <Nothing\> even a Tiger Handheld, TigerHeli
07:24:37 <Nothing\> or something
07:25:10 <Nothing\> but i've got these cool sega ones with a case the screen pops out of of like, sonic and ecco the dolphin
07:26:00 <Nothing\> which btw, if you've never heard the back story for where the story for Ecco the Dolphin came from, look it up. It's gotta be the most messed up back story for any video game I've ever heard.
07:26:25 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
07:26:40 <T3sl4> yeah, some weird alien stuff i think
07:26:43 * Nothing\ hugs T3sl4 <3 :D
07:26:48 <Nothing\> yup
07:26:57 <Nothing\> eli lily was a loon
07:27:10 <Nothing\> yet i knew people who treated his word like it was scripture
07:27:16 <T3sl4> really tough/awkward/confusing game to play, i guess, but amazing music and great graphics
07:27:17 <Nothing\> from the Bay Area, of course
07:27:45 <rust_collector> alien dolphins... souds like a plan
07:27:46 <Nothing\> yeah i never had it myself, but i recall it was pretty neat looking from the bit i was able to play
07:27:59 <Nothing\> i think eli lily even married a dolphin
07:28:06 <Nothing\> and had a sexual relationship with her
07:28:23 <Nothing\> lived with her in this special house with a few feet of water covering the floor
07:28:31 <Nothing\> so they could be together all the time
07:29:23 <Nothing\> he was one of those timothy leary types who was always tripping on acid and coming up with crazy shit
07:29:49 <Nothing\> like a computer program that could supposedly predict major world events and even the end of the world in 2012
07:30:43 <Nothing\> no wait
07:30:53 <rust_collector> Nothing\, do you know anything normal?
07:30:55 <Nothing\> eli lilly was the drug company, who the hell am i thinking of
07:31:04 <Nothing\> rust_collector, clouds are white?
07:31:08 <Nothing\> except when they're not
07:31:21 <rust_collector> and even when they are, they are not
07:31:38 <Nothing\> yeah, nitrogen oxides came to mind pretty fast
07:31:43 <Nothing\> then the gas giants
07:31:54 <T3sl4> ass giants
07:31:56 <Nothing\> and thunderstorm clouds at dusk that look green
07:32:11 <Nothing\> you know, they figure the red spot'll be gone in the next 100 years or so
07:32:18 <rust_collector> green... you should get out of that area, lol
07:32:27 <T3sl4> or those thin high altitude clouds that look like rainbows, those are neat
07:32:28 <Nothing\> lol
07:32:49 <Nothing\> T3sl4, you ever see what a full rainbow looks like. Like a picture/video of a rainbow from a plane
07:33:17 <Nothing\> they're actually full circles, not arcs
07:33:30 <T3sl4> ya
07:33:53 <Nothing\> plus each person sees their own rainbow
07:34:20 <rust_collector> ok, dolphins and rainbows...
07:34:24 <Nothing\> like, where the rainbow appears and other properties change depending where you are, so each person looking at a rainbow sees a slightly different rainbow
07:34:36 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i think i might be secretly gay lol
07:34:50 * Ampera attack-hugs Nothing\
07:34:53 <rust_collector> don't tell you that, and it will be fine
07:35:09 * Nothing\ hug-attacks Ampera <3
07:35:18 <Nothing\> rust_collector, that's the plan!
07:35:20 <Ampera> how are you doing Nothing\
07:35:30 <Nothing\> i'm doing alright, aside from these bowel cramps
07:35:33 * T3sl4 headpats Ampera
07:35:37 <Nothing\> wish i knew what was doing this to me
07:35:46 * Ampera headkisses T3sl4
07:36:01 <Ampera> Nothing\, sounds like your bowels are
07:36:06 * rust_collector picks lint out from between Amperas toes
07:36:17 <Nothing\> maybe eating a literal pound to a pound and a half of apple crisp a day and nothing else except sometimes ice cream probably has something to do with it
07:36:22 <Ampera> rust_collector, don't bother, I already licked all of it out of there anyways
07:36:32 <rust_collector> you did a good job
07:36:49 <Nothing\> my mom says eating too many oats used to upset her horses' stomachs when she was a girl growing up on a farm
07:37:06 <Nothing\> but this feels like something else, i dunno
07:37:16 <Nothing\> i'm not blocked up too bad, i'm at least going daily
07:37:27 <Ampera> I'm a strange person who will often eat dry/plain grains
07:37:27 <Nothing\> so i just don't know
07:37:35 <Ampera> so I'll just take the can of oatmeal and eat it straight up
07:37:49 <Nothing\> Ampera, you know grains are actually full of bug parts
07:37:50 <Ampera> same for parboiled/instant rice, breadcrumbs, irish porridge
07:37:57 <Ampera> yes I do
07:38:02 <Ampera> bugs are good protein
07:38:02 <Nothing\> like, they're one of the worst foods for it
07:38:04 <rust_collector> oatmeal is magic
07:38:20 <Nothing\> i mean, every food has some "objectional material" in it as the FDA puts it
07:38:32 <Nothing\> it's impossible to have 100% clean food
07:38:42 <Nothing\> or at least, infeasible
07:38:52 <rust_collector> right, so why worry about that?
07:39:20 <Nothing\> so they FDA gives a bit of leeway in terms of how many bug parts, how much rat/mouse feces/urine, stuff like that is legally allowed in your food
07:39:27 <rust_collector> I remember delivering flour to pizza places, and the label said it was "78% flour"
07:39:28 <Nothing\> but yeah Ampera
07:39:35 <Nothing\> out of sight out of mind, right?
07:39:45 <Ampera> if someone gave me a plate of bugs I'd try them
07:39:51 <Ampera> so why would I have an issue with grains
07:39:58 <Nothing\> i'm of the mindset that if it doesn't make me sick and it tastes good, why should i care what it's made of?
07:40:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, i've eaten bugs, they're not bad
07:40:15 <Nothing\> taste mostly hollow
07:40:27 <Nothing\> all i remember were the meal worms
07:40:51 <Nothing\> they were roasted and dried with some sort of seasoning on them and sold as a novelty in these little overpriced bags
07:40:57 <Nothing\> but they weren't bad at all
07:41:15 <Nothing\> the carapace gets stuck in your teeth. That's about the worst part
07:41:29 <Nothing\> and i'd imagine different bugs are probably more pallatable than others
07:41:35 <Ampera> sounds like popcorn
07:41:43 <Nothing\> i mean, it's not like all mammals taste the same
07:41:44 <Ampera> little overpriced bag?
07:41:46 <Ampera> yep, popcorn
07:41:57 <Nothing\> lol yeah, it was like 20g
07:42:03 <Ampera> g?
07:42:06 <Nothing\> or like 2/3oz
07:42:13 <Ampera> alright
07:42:20 <Nothing\> 28g to an ounce
07:42:25 <Nothing\> so i just round up to 30
07:42:34 <Nothing\> or 31.5g for a troy ounce
07:43:07 <Nothing\> lol i actually did learn most of my weight conversions from buying weed
07:43:14 <Ampera> why would someone measure insects using troy ounces
07:43:21 <Nothing\> and using pure drugs that are active on the milligram scale
07:43:25 <Nothing\> Ampera, precious metals
07:43:32 <Nothing\> my brother and i used to trade silver
07:43:43 <Ampera> I know what a troy ounce is
07:43:52 <rust_collector> still, why whould you measure insects in that
07:43:55 <Ampera> ^
07:44:01 <Nothing\> buy it from the mint at their 50g minimum order, then resell it on ebay for a markup
07:44:09 * Ampera imagines a coinage ingot of compressed insect
07:44:11 <Nothing\> usually buy it as boullion or coins
07:44:33 <Nothing\> it was good money back when silver was ilke $16/oz
07:44:48 <Nothing\> not sure what it's at now, but last time i checked the spot prices they were like $28/oz
07:44:53 <Ampera> what unit is g though
07:44:59 <Nothing\> grams
07:45:01 <rust_collector> gram
07:45:05 <Ampera> I have no clue what that is
07:45:15 <Ampera> eevblog convert 50g to oz
07:45:15 <EEVBlog> The result is: 1.764 oz
07:45:19 <Ampera> ok
07:45:20 <rust_collector> 1/1000 of a kilogram
07:45:24 <Ampera> what's a kilogram
07:45:32 <Ampera> eevblog convert 50kilogram to oz
07:45:33 <EEVBlog> The result is: 1,763.7 oz
07:45:33 <rust_collector> 1000 gram
07:45:34 <Nothing\> then you've got your standard prefixes to add to grams
07:45:48 <Nothing\> milligrams, kilograms being the most common ones, you won't see anything else usually
07:45:59 <Ampera> eevblog convert 5000milligrams to oz
07:45:59 <EEVBlog> The result is: 0.176 oz
07:46:07 <Nothing\> hell, with liters we don't even use any prefixes
07:46:21 <Nothing\> everything's just X number of liters
07:46:37 <Nothing\> oh, i guess there's milliliter
07:46:51 <Ampera> I have no idea what any of this is
07:46:52 <rust_collector> milli centi deci
07:47:02 <Ampera> yotta yotta, rust_collector
07:47:03 <Nothing\> Ampera, 5ml to a teaspoon
07:47:14 <Ampera> how should I know what that is
07:47:22 <Ampera> ask the bot, it was made by someone who actually knows
07:47:27 <rust_collector> it is half a coffee spoon
07:47:28 <Nothing\> what? a teaspoon?
07:47:32 <Nothing\> or an ml?
07:47:38 <Ampera> no, what 5ml is in teaspoons
07:47:52 <Nothing\> lol i dunno
07:48:03 <rust_collector> drugs
07:48:05 <Nothing\> lol no there are teaspoons, which are 5ml and tablespoons which are 15ml
07:48:07 <rust_collector> you know
07:48:09 <K> 1 US teaspoon =
07:48:09 <Ampera> eevblog convert 5ml to itsp
07:48:10 <EEVBlog> The result is: 0.845 itsp
07:48:10 <K> 4.92892159 ml
07:48:19 <Ampera> it's that
07:48:33 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1 itsp to ml
07:48:34 <EEVBlog> The result is: 5.919 ml
07:48:37 <Nothing\> then 1 cup is 250ml
07:48:46 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1 icup to ml
07:48:46 <EEVBlog> The result is: 284.131 ml
07:48:48 <Nothing\> and a gallon is 3.8 liters
07:48:53 <Nothing\> damn
07:48:58 <Nothing\> 284?
07:48:58 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1 igallon to liters
07:48:58 <EEVBlog> The result is: 4.546 liters
07:49:01 <Nothing\> wtf
07:49:07 <Nothing\> man i've been way off
07:49:14 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1 gallon to liters
07:49:14 <EEVBlog> The result is: 3.785 liters
07:49:19 <Nothing\> oh okay
07:49:22 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1 icup to ml
07:49:23 <EEVBlog> The result is: 284.131 ml
07:49:27 <Ampera> eevblog convert 1 cup to ml
07:49:28 <EEVBlog> The result is: 236.588 ml
07:49:38 <Nothing\> so what's the difference between a cup and an icup?
07:49:41 <Nothing\> international cup?
07:49:49 <Ampera> icup = i c u p
07:49:54 <Nothing\> haha
07:50:01 <Ampera> icup is an imperial cup
07:50:12 <Nothing\> i thought cups were imperial by natural
07:50:15 <Ampera> no
07:50:17 <Nothing\> now i'm really confused
07:50:33 <Ampera> that's why you shouldn't ever say the US 'uses the imperial system'
07:50:57 <Ampera> because if someone asks you to fill up their plane in imperial gallons, and you give them US gallons, well
07:51:11 <Nothing\> Ampera, well, all of those units are now based on metric units anyways so it's all the same thing
07:51:14 <Ampera> eevblog convert 50000 gallons to igallons
07:51:15 <EEVBlog> The result is: 41,633.7 igallons
07:51:20 <Nothing\> just different conversion factors
07:51:31 <Ampera> I'm not sure what imperial units are based on
07:51:37 <Ampera> they're used by I think only two nations in the world at the moment
07:51:42 <Nothing\> 3
07:51:47 <Ampera> what's the third
07:51:51 <Nothing\> US, Liberia and myanmar
07:51:55 <Ampera> the US doesn't use imperial units
07:51:57 <Ampera> never has
07:52:05 <Nothing\> according to google it does
07:52:10 <Ampera> then google is wrong
07:52:19 <Nothing\> but yeah i remember hearing about that
07:52:21 <Ampera> because we have our own mutually incompatible system of units called the US customary system
07:52:28 <Ampera> which is /not/ and /never will be/ the UK imperial system
07:52:33 <Nothing\> like, that all of the major industries in the US use metric units
07:52:40 <Ampera> the share some units, but have differences in others
07:52:53 <Ampera> in theory they do, but they also don't use the metric system
07:52:59 <Ampera> because the metric system was replaced by the SI
07:53:06 <Nothing\> but then, how's that explain that Mars probe that went all ka ka koo koo and crashed into mars cuz it was programmed in imperial when it was meant to be in metric
07:53:34 <Ampera> if it was programmed in the US (was that lockheed that did that) then it didn't use imperial
07:53:44 <Ampera> and it would have been meant to be in SI
07:54:32 <Nothing\> lemme look it up, if i can
07:54:34 <Ampera> a metric system/unit is just any unit defined by a base unit, with decimal prefixes. /the/ metric system was a precursor system invented in france before the advent of the international system of units (SI) replaced it
07:55:01 <Ampera> There are metric units that are not SI units, and there may even be metric system units that were never adopted into the SI
07:55:04 <K> isnt nowadays "metric" synonym to "SI" ?
07:55:22 <K> in general sense
07:55:31 <Nothing\> okay here it is Ampera
07:55:33 <Nothing\> The Mars Climate Orbiter (formerly the Mars Surveyor '98 Orbiter) was a 638-kilogram (1,407 lb)[1] robotic space probe launched by NASA on December 11, 1998 to study the Martian climate, Martian atmosphere, and surface changes and to act as the communications relay in the Mars Surveyor '98 program for Mars Polar Lander. However, on September 23, 1999, communication with the spacecraft was lost as the spacecraft went in
07:55:33 <Nothing\> due to ground-based computer software which produced output in non-SI units of pound-force seconds (lbf·s) instead of the SI units of newton-seconds (N·s) specified in the contract between NASA and Lockheed. The spacecraft encountered Mars on a trajectory that brought it too close to the planet, and it was either destroyed in the atmosphere or re-entered heliocentric space after leaving Mars' atmosphere.
07:55:47 <Ampera> It is, and the SI is a metric system, and if you say the metric system, it's generally considered to mean the SI
07:55:57 <Ampera> but I like to be anal and technically correct, the best kind of correct
07:56:39 <Nothing\> and the full article, if you're interested
07:56:40 <Nothing\> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Climate_Orbiter
07:56:52 <K> the best anal!
07:57:07 <Ampera> note how they say "non-SI" and "SI" units
07:57:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, indeed, it is the ultimate correctness for the pickiest of pedants
07:57:32 <Nothing\> Ampera, aye i was just relaying what i'd heard a million times before
07:57:34 <K> well, ussr had some other variation in 50 iirc
07:57:39 <K> 1950
07:57:58 <K> kilogram erg second or somth like that
07:57:59 <rust_collector> iIrc, there are at least 3 different inches
07:58:12 <Nothing\> Ampera, what's the trigger for asking the bot a question?
07:58:27 <Ampera> it has no real AI
07:58:29 <Ampera> it just has some commands
07:58:35 <Ampera> say "EEVBlog Help" and you can see what you need to say
07:58:44 <Ampera> almost always you must prefix any inquiries with EEVBlog
07:58:46 <Ampera> such as,
07:58:47 <Nothing\> is it case sensitive?
07:58:49 <Ampera> EEVBlog Debug and Version
07:58:49 <EEVBlog> EEVBot Version 2.21-BETA, uptime: 400364 seconds.
07:58:50 <Ampera> nope
07:58:54 <Nothing\> right on
07:58:56 <Nothing\> eevblog help
07:59:29 <Nothing\> ooh lotsa commands that return data
07:59:41 <Ampera> eevblog help
07:59:50 <Nothing\> well, i guess they all return data of some sort
08:00:00 <Nothing\> but you know what i mean, statistics fuel
08:00:06 <Ampera> there are also undocumented commands, such as
08:00:11 <Ampera> EEVBlog, go fuck yourself
08:00:11 <EEVBlog> If you keep saying that, I'm gonna hold you upside down and shake you until all the electrons fall out, Ampera!
08:00:18 <Nothing\> oh that reminds me
08:00:19 <Ampera> Fuck the EEVBlog
08:00:19 <EEVBlog> Well fuck you and your shitty ass shoes, Ampera.
08:00:23 <Nothing\> you know what's weird as hell dude
08:00:29 <Ampera> you
08:00:36 <Ampera> me too
08:00:41 <Ampera> metoo
08:00:44 <Nothing\> ol well other than that
08:00:53 <Nothing\> the other day i was watching a documentary with my mom, right?
08:01:02 <Ampera> if you say so
08:01:05 <Ampera> idk if that's right
08:01:05 <Nothing\> and all of a sudden the phone turns itself on
08:01:40 <Nothing\> and says something to us... "you can learn a lot from the internet"
08:01:48 <Nothing\> just out of nowhere, didn't unlock it or anything
08:02:01 <Ampera> did it start calling you dave?
08:02:13 <Nothing\> so after some probing i found out it has a voice thingy where you say "hey google" followed by a command and it'll do stuff, right
08:02:22 <Ampera> I know
08:02:34 <Nothing\> i eventually figured out it musta heard something on the TV it interpretted as "hey google"
08:02:42 <Ampera> it tends to do that
08:02:45 <Ampera> I'm not a fan of it
08:02:49 <Ampera> it's also deaf as a cunt on my phone
08:02:52 <Nothing\> then cuz it was an interesting fact i said "huh, i didn't know that"
08:03:08 <Nothing\> and apparently when you say that after "hey google" it says "You can learn a lot from the internet"
08:03:42 <Nothing\> i thought that was a lot of weird coincidences to happen all at once. especially since my mom's had this phone for like 3+ years and this is the first time it's ever done that
08:03:49 <Nothing\> and it just did it again a couple of nights ago
08:04:11 <rust_collector> it sounds like someone is out having fun with their bmg, hoping people will think it is fireworks. well, it has been a long time since I heard one, so I could be wrong
08:04:13 <Nothing\> Ampera, it could be your mic is being obscured by the case
08:04:30 <Ampera> it's not
08:04:32 <Nothing\> lol
08:04:41 <Nothing\> rust_collector, you mean a .50 cal, right?
08:04:41 <Ampera> the problem is it can't hear me when playing audio
08:04:45 <rust_collector> yes
08:04:45 <Ampera> so I can tell it to play me a song
08:04:50 <Ampera> but even if I scream at it, it will never turn it off
08:05:22 <Nothing\> rust_collector, where on earth do you live that somebody's just randomly firing off a BMG within hearing range
08:05:32 <Nothing\> then again, those things have deafening reports apparently
08:05:39 <rust_collector> you can hear them pretty far away
08:05:44 <Nothing\> i mean i've never seen one fired, but i'd imagine any gun that breaks the sound barrier would
08:06:04 <Nothing\> Ampera, that's kinda dumb
08:06:07 <rust_collector> they are slow old things, and have a pretty special sound.
08:06:34 <Nothing\> you'd think it'd ignore the audio but then i guess it needs a cue to know to ignore the audio and if it can't hear you starting to talk to it, it has no way to know
08:07:12 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i just know of em from this one gun channel i watch, pretty much the only gun channel i watch; demolition ranch
08:07:25 <rust_collector> ok
08:07:43 <Nothing\> he shoots various stuff to see if it's bullet proof in some videos and always ends with a .50 BMG
08:07:43 <Ampera> I tend to only watch forgotten weapons
08:07:51 <Ampera> I used to watch demo ranch, but I unsubscribed from him, and I don't remember why
08:07:55 <Nothing\> Ampera, that sounds pretty cool
08:08:22 <Nothing\> Ampera, i'm assuming you've seen that... oh i forget what civilization but it was in central america and they made the first sorta sword/hatchet things
08:08:34 <Nothing\> it was basically a stick lined with sharp pieces of obsidian
08:08:51 <Nothing\> i thought that was pretty badass
08:09:09 <Nothing\> either aztec or mayan i think
08:10:21 <Nothing\> https://weaponsandwarfare.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/7437dc8bd4e52cdf776356231ac2467b.jpg
08:10:25 <Nothing\> one of those
08:11:03 <Ampera> I think my mental state is getting worse. I think I have anxiety.
08:11:45 <Ampera> I think I'm also starting to regret stopping my transition
08:11:57 <Ampera> and that's pissing me off
08:15:35 <Ampera> I am the unmatched champion at killing chats
08:18:23 <rust_collector> meh, I just finished dinner
08:30:17 <rust_collector> Ampera, i have a feeling you will just have to get used to that.... Not to be mean, but...
08:32:01 <K> it is not easy being unmatched
09:05:04 * T3sl4 puts bowls of hummus and pita chips into the channel
09:05:28 <K> yay, 2021
09:05:38 <rust_collector> now i am feeling anxious
09:06:03 <coppice> T3sl4: a big bowl? a humm-ungo-us bowl?
09:06:40 <T3sl4> no, a huge bowel
09:06:50 <T3sl4> as it's garlic flavored
09:06:54 <coppice> no shit
09:16:58 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
09:25:56 <Ysjoelfir> dinner ready..
09:26:19 <rust_collector> I am almost ready to reheat dinner here
09:27:29 <Ysjoelfir> We're watching dinner for one now. I am super depressed, as usual on silvester
09:27:44 * T3sl4 beers Ysjoelfir
09:28:30 <rust_collector> it is a bit weird that that thing is so popular everywhere
09:31:21 * Ysjoelfir grabs beer from T3sl4 and drinks it together with his Punsch and the glass of Cherry
09:31:30 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, you mean being depressed?
09:31:41 <T3sl4> you mean being beer?
09:31:51 <Ysjoelfir> being beer is nice
09:31:52 <rust_collector> eeh, it was not the thing I was thinking about, but I guess
09:32:26 <rust_collector> the guy kicking the bear in the head
09:32:41 <Ysjoelfir> ah. yes, that is also a common thing
09:33:40 <Ysjoelfir> I actually loved silvester, but since my dad died ~9 years ago I feel always very depressed, as it was his most favorite day in the year. so... meh.
09:33:50 <Ysjoelfir> also, Skål!
09:34:00 <rust_collector> skaoul!
09:34:35 <T3sl4> aww
09:34:43 * T3sl4 gives Ysjoelfir a hugs
09:34:59 <Ysjoelfir> you look junga dan eva. juuunga dan eva!!!
09:35:04 * Ysjoelfir cuddles T3sl4
09:35:09 <T3sl4> :3
09:35:51 * Ysjoelfir offers cheap, but very delicious "cream sherry" to the channel
09:36:01 <rust_collector> WOOHOO!
09:36:38 <rust_collector> I just had potatoes in cream, and ice cream, so that will be perfect. especially as I really should not eat milk things
09:36:46 <Ysjoelfir> xD
09:36:47 <T3sl4> sherrytatoes
09:36:51 <rust_collector> i will be ok, some time next year
09:37:48 <T3sl4> just lie in bed on your side, with a bucket off the side, you'll be fine
09:39:07 <coppice> a bucket off the side? so, there's no en suite?
09:39:16 <rust_collector> nah, I have pretty much the opposite problem. maybe they spike milk with heroin here, I dunno?
09:40:34 <T3sl4> we usually have a hormones problem with milk here [they often advertise it as "BGH free"], that would be interesting
09:47:15 <DHess_US> <nfomonkey> happy new yurs
09:47:15 <DHess_US> <nfomonkey> anyone who has not had theirs yet
09:47:15 <DHess_US> <nfomonkey> dont do it
09:47:15 <DHess_US> <nfomonkey> its still shit
09:47:15 <DHess_US> <nfomonkey> GO BACK
09:47:52 <rust_collector> why? last year was even worse
09:54:13 <T3sl4> you know how regime change goes, revolution is always for the worse
09:55:02 <rust_collector> is anyone planning a revolution up here? I don't think anyone would bother...
09:58:33 <rust_collector> ok, close enough. it is next year when I come back inside. happy whatever time
10:06:56 <Ysjoelfir> Happy whatever time to you too, my friends :)
10:09:23 <rust_collector> yeah, be happy damnit. I can not see a thing outside, it is all full of "fog"
10:09:34 <Ysjoelfir> lol
10:09:43 <rust_collector> there was a few nice booms
10:09:46 <Ysjoelfir> we weren't allowed to buy bomb stuffs
10:10:14 <Ysjoelfir> so all/most you see and hear now is the boom things imported from poland
10:10:31 <rust_collector> well... i know you people down there are somewhat german, but... uhm, maybe you could make some yourself, if buying is illegal
10:10:46 <Ysjoelfir> and my blank gun . with pyro ammunition stuff.
10:11:00 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I would probably do that if I were in a better mood ^^
10:11:04 <T3sl4> i have... most of the stuff, to make boom stuff
10:11:19 <T3sl4> but i'm not gonna go out of my way to just make a few things, so shrug
10:11:22 <rust_collector> we usually have some problem with people sending up those emergency flare things
10:11:55 <Ysjoelfir> why? and why?
10:11:55 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Solid 2021 prediction: The biggest growing job sector will be Psychology.
10:12:09 <Ysjoelfir> Dave might be right with that prediction
10:12:19 <rust_collector> eh?
10:12:38 <rust_collector> he is in the future, he should know
10:12:50 <Ysjoelfir> did you still block the bot?
10:12:57 <rust_collector> yep
10:13:12 <rust_collector> and I think I like it that way
10:13:35 <Ysjoelfir> ah. dave tweeted that he predicts psychology to be the biggest growing job sector in 2021.
10:14:12 <rust_collector> uhhmmm. well, eeh I doubt it
10:16:26 <rust_collector> I predict that there will be a lot of cooling boxes for sale in not too many months
10:16:38 <Ysjoelfir> that might be true as well
10:17:28 <rust_collector> yea, i spent 2 days delivering them, in my little area. they are pretty nice, 220/12/24v
10:17:33 <rust_collector> waeco
10:18:05 <Ysjoelfir> uh, nice! I like waeco stuff
10:18:25 <rust_collector> yes, it is usually pretty good
10:18:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: And expect rates to triple due to demand. Get in now while the hourly rates are still low.
10:20:59 <rust_collector> so, I think I have decided to not buy a tiny lathe. I will probably go for a little mill. unless I find a little cute lathe for the right price
10:22:31 Join: arch ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
10:22:51 <rust_collector> ok, time to have a drink
10:23:10 <Ysjoelfir> gimme some, too, pls
10:23:25 <rust_collector> ok,
10:23:53 * rust_collector hands Ysjoelfir the christmas gift his kids gave him
10:24:54 * Ysjoelfir looks at it
10:25:03 <rust_collector> Something made me feel a little bit old, when the kids gave me vodka for christmas
10:25:11 <rust_collector> CHUG! CHUG! CHUG!
10:25:12 <Ysjoelfir> no, I can't accept that, thats yours
10:25:17 <Ysjoelfir> lol
10:25:28 <Ysjoelfir> nah, you're very young and energetic :)
10:25:34 <rust_collector> errr
10:25:48 <rust_collector> you should get into politics, lol
10:28:00 <rust_collector> Ok, have this virtual bottle of shannons, and some coffee
10:29:50 <Ysjoelfir> thanks
10:29:57 <Ysjoelfir> that'll go well with cherry
10:30:35 <rust_collector> after the first few bottles, anything will go well, until it doesn't
10:38:04 <Halcyon> Morninnnng
10:38:51 <rust_collector> moi!
10:40:35 <Ysjoelfir> true rusty
10:40:38 <Ysjoelfir> hi Halcyon
10:41:13 <Halcyon> I'm a little rusty today :P
10:41:39 <rust_collector> well, everyone can not be great like this
10:47:12 <K> rust_collector, do you have anything in mind wrt to that small mill?
10:47:57 <rust_collector> eeeh, no, not really. it depends on what I can find. but I would prefer one that is not toy-tiny
10:48:34 <K> sieg or something else ?
10:48:42 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
10:48:56 <Ampera> how is 2021 so far
10:49:02 <K> not bad
10:49:14 <Halcyon> I just woke up, sooo meh
10:49:15 <K> ah, you didn't ask me
10:49:20 <rust_collector> eeeh. depends. i do not have too much against chinese things, but. the non siegs tend to be sort of pricey
10:49:32 <Halcyon> Jerry is on me spreading feathers everywhere
10:49:33 * T3sl4 kisses Halcyon 2020-style
10:49:41 <Halcyon> Hehehe OK ? :P
10:50:01 <T3sl4> more of a slap than a kiss idunno
10:50:10 <Halcyon> Same same
10:50:36 * arch poops on T3sl4's workbench at mightnight to celebrate the new year
10:50:58 * T3sl4 lights it on fire, for same
10:51:53 <Halcyon> Heh
10:55:43 <T3sl4> aww https://i.redd.it/bzre0zofcj861.jpg
10:57:20 <K> rust_collector, yeah, i arrived at the same conclusion and got a sieg
10:57:48 <MrMobodies> Hello
10:57:48 <EEVBlog> Hello there, MrMobodies!
10:58:45 <MrMobodies> another 2 minutes
10:58:48 <rust_collector> K, there is a place not far from here, that sell the hbm machines, which I think are sieg. i will at least go annoy them again
10:59:06 <rust_collector> MrMobodies, 58 inutes too late
10:59:27 <K> ah, a chance to see/touch them is nice
10:59:32 <rust_collector> yes
10:59:34 <K> if they let you
10:59:55 <rust_collector> oh, they will, because... reasons
11:00:43 <MrMobodies> well 2021
11:01:13 <MrMobodies> and I hear they may7 lift the restriction in March or April after the vaccines
11:01:25 <rust_collector> the what?
11:01:31 <MrMobodies> but I am going wait and see who suffers from the sides
11:01:46 <MrMobodies> the lockdown I mean un UK
11:01:54 <rust_collector> ok
11:01:55 <MrMobodies> I think it is Tier 4 at the moment
11:01:59 <rust_collector> yes
11:02:32 <MrMobodies> but I'll wait to see who suffers and in what way with what vaccine before I decide to do so
11:03:09 <K> haven't heard any news regarding side effects in test groups
11:03:33 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87w5sy2sz00
11:03:35 <Halcyon> That is so cool
11:03:46 <Halcyon> I want one
11:04:39 <MrMobodies> looks really good
11:05:31 <MrMobodies> I mean the graphics from the simulator
11:06:40 <MrMobodies> I see Dave Jones in his live stream seems to be happier compared to some months ago.
11:07:01 <rust_collector> well, that does not take much
11:07:03 <MrMobodies> I am thinking it had something to do with that flood in his old lab
11:07:23 <MrMobodies> and the deal with the appartment but I think the flood did it
11:07:42 <MrMobodies> seems to me like he is back to normal
11:07:55 <MrMobodies> but in the old lab and it looks nice in there too
11:08:29 <MrMobodies> I know he said something about his employee costing him I think it was Dave2
11:08:37 <MrMobodies> and I remembered he left
11:08:59 <MrMobodies> but I can't remember why he decided to leave
11:09:21 <rust_collector> well, it is worth thinking much about? I am sure you would know if you needed to
11:10:12 <MrMobodies> oh well, I see not worth knowing
11:10:47 <MrMobodies> I had some problems over the Christmas
11:10:57 <MrMobodies> Toilet got blocked as it did before when doing a number 2
11:11:15 <MrMobodies> they fitted the pipe upwards before it goes to the main pipe and I think that is the issue
11:11:31 <MrMobodies> I got it unblocked using many buckets of boiling water
11:11:33 <MrMobodies> bleech
11:11:37 <MrMobodies> bleach
11:11:48 <MrMobodies> but it seems when i use washing up liquid it makes it worse
11:12:10 <MrMobodies> never had this problem in my old house with any toilet
11:12:43 <MrMobodies> the only difference is, they were the level flush type and large whereas the ones here have those buttons on the top and are smaller
11:13:12 <rust_collector> yea, modern toilets tend to have less flushyness
11:20:30 <MrMobodies> that Areca 1883 controller behaves strangely, sometimes when certain drives are in there it interrupts the boot order and cause it not to boot. I boot of the onboard controller.
11:21:18 <MrMobodies> also on post, screen goes blank(display resolution issue) pauses for a long time until a key is pressed, then it will show and post quicker
11:22:15 <MrMobodies> but on the firmware update, it now seems to remember what drive I plugged in there so I don't have to pass them through again. And it remembers the settings like "write through" and "disable tcq" for certain drives.
11:27:14 Join: Nothing\ ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
11:27:45 <rust_collector> oh, there is that guy again
11:36:39 <Halcyon> https://youtu.be/y6MymrOBq4M?t=27
11:36:45 <Halcyon> What a neat idea for a fridge shelf
11:36:57 <Halcyon> I am forever losing things down the back of mine
11:38:15 <gremlinz> was that a wall chest fridge
11:38:35 <Halcyon> Apparently
11:38:37 <gremlinz> i kinde of read that title as new gadgets are housewives and redacted the word choice
11:39:27 <gremlinz> i could imagine the diy men back in those days attempting to affix that monolith on to their wall
11:40:42 <arch> how accurate is current measurement, if i measure the mosfet voltage drop for a buck conv? i was thinking of either that, or high side current sense to the scope probe: https://i.imgur.com/z7LjDrp.png
11:41:36 <arch> the pmos has a pretty big resistance range, depending on voltage
11:41:52 <arch> so my guess is, high side current sensing it is
11:41:53 <gremlinz> lol the blow up coat hanger
11:42:00 <gremlinz> now i seen everything
11:42:27 <arch> what about blow up tentacle monster?
11:42:45 <arch> you can terrify the japanese populace with that
11:43:49 <T3sl4> arch, not very. look up Rds(on) tempco and mfg variation
11:44:53 <T3sl4> RC across the outboard diode, good touch
11:45:02 <arch> yes, i learned that from experience
11:45:29 <T3sl4> just put the shunt on the input side, no bother with CMRR there
11:45:29 <arch> i used a 1:8 flybuck before, and for a 3.3V output, i was getting close to 40V spikes, with just a 5V input lol
11:46:14 <arch> oc, 3.3V*8 should be close to 24V output, but i was a dummy and didn't expect that the extra turns ratio means extra leakage inductance, etc
11:46:58 <T3sl4> wish they'd always have small signal params for every transformer/coupled inductor on the market
11:47:06 <Nothing\> nice
11:47:11 <T3sl4> not like it takes effort to measure once and publish, but nah
11:47:31 <Nothing\> i just found a micrometer on amazon accurate to within 0.001mm for $36CAD
11:48:03 <Nothing\> although it's plastic, and after my plastic vernier calipers i'm wary of plastic now
11:48:32 <Nothing\> i dunno if it's plastic or carbon fiber, i haven't done a scratch and sniff test on it
11:48:45 <Nothing\> but it bends side to side, which skews my measurements
11:48:58 <Nothing\> like, it'll twist
11:49:29 <rust_collector> don't bend it. wth kind of micrometers are made out of plastic anyway?
11:49:50 <Nothing\> no not a micrometer, this is a vernier caliper i'm talking about
11:49:54 <rust_collector> oh
11:49:58 <Nothing\> although this micrometer is plastic too
11:50:14 <Nothing\> so yeah, that's a no go for this
11:50:42 <rust_collector> well, calipers are about as precision as a measuring tape
11:51:24 <rust_collector> there are many many kinds of plastic. if it is done properly, it can be a good idea, I guess.
11:51:24 <Nothing\> https://www.amazon.ca/Beslands-Electronic-Micrometer-Thickness-Measuring/dp/B07LF256MJ/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=micrometer&qid=1609461998&sr=8-8
11:51:32 <Nothing\> i mean, it looks well made and all
11:51:35 <Nothing\> but again, plastic
11:52:08 <rust_collector> is the blue part plastic?
11:52:10 <arch> T3sl4, by put it on input side, you mean after the input capacitors?
11:52:19 <Nothing\> i just use the plastic vernier calipers right now
11:52:21 <arch> cuz if it was before, it would just get averaged
11:52:24 <Nothing\> that were like $5
11:52:54 <Nothing\> rust_collector, as far as i can tell from the description, the only metal part is the spindle and lockers
11:53:21 <Nothing\> cuz it makes a point of specifying that they're made of stainless steel, i'll guess the rest of it isn't
11:53:29 <rust_collector> I really doubt that, but...
11:54:16 <arch> this is a good appnote: https://www.analog.com/en/technical-articles/switch-mode-power-supply-current-sensing-part-2-where-to-place-the-sense-resistor.html
11:54:59 <Nothing\> arch: i'm sketchy about analog.com now
11:55:11 <Nothing\> i was reading through their radio electronics wiki
11:55:37 <Nothing\> and the page on diodes was a verbatim copy of the wikipedia page on diodes. or part of the page anyways.
11:56:00 <rust_collector> did you check the date both were written?
11:56:05 <Nothing\> with no mention or credit to wikipedia or any attempt to even mention that the information came from wikipedia
11:56:20 <arch> T3sl4, it says the high side current sensing resistor (what i have in that schematic) "This sensing method provides the best signal-to-noise ratio performance"
11:56:51 <arch> and that it can "be used for average current monitoring and peak or valley current monitoring"
11:57:18 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i believe i did and the wiki article predated it, but i'm not 100% on that. But seeing as both articles probably still exist it shouldn't be impossible to do right now. So I'll see if I can double check. hamburger.
11:58:09 <arch> gee whiz, you are boycotting a semiconductor wiki because they reused a document...why don't you boycott wearing clothes because slaves used to pick cotton? smh...
11:58:13 <rust_collector> yes, the article ... but parts of wikipedia articles can be edited by anyone
11:58:35 <arch> too much cancel culture bullshit going on these days, it's crazy
12:02:34 <Nothing\> rust_collector, can't seem to find it now
12:02:38 <Nothing\> unless it was changed
12:02:46 <Nothing\> the page IS different now
12:03:01 <rust_collector> sure, you can go and edit it, if you want
12:03:42 <Nothing\> anyways i've got honey garlic wings to eat
12:03:45 <Nothing\> ta ta
12:03:53 <Nothing\> <3
12:04:48 * Ysjoelfir eats Nothing\ 's wings
12:05:01 <rust_collector> heeeeeeeey!??!??
12:05:53 <rust_collector> oh well, at least he does not fall asleep and poke chicken with garlic in his eye
12:11:31 <coppice> arch: slaves still pick cotton
12:13:03 <arch> oh. ok...but still, are you going to boycott wearing clothes? i think not
12:13:45 <coppice> arch: are you assuming I disapprove of slavery?
12:14:09 <arch> are most people going to boycott buying Nutella, even though palm oil plantations are destroying the ecosystem?
12:14:23 <arch> nah that's not what im assuming coppice
12:14:26 <T3sl4> arch, yes, after the capacitors
12:14:40 <T3sl4> you have output side resistor, i suggested high side resistor
12:16:52 <arch> but, this is called high side current sensing, right? https://i.imgur.com/GhjSN6u.png
12:17:07 <T3sl4> thats output side
12:17:19 <T3sl4> it's...not really high anymore, but sort of?
12:17:32 <T3sl4> but you can't really do that with your two windings
12:17:37 <coppice> the best place for the sense resistor is in a bucket of water, for good cooling
12:17:41 <arch> oooh, ok ok, i think i see. high side current sensing would be if the resistor was at the drain of the top mosfet
12:17:46 <T3sl4> could use two resistors, one for each, see how it divides
12:21:31 <arch> T3sl4, are you sure? i was expecting to see this type of waveform across the sense resistor, but obviously for L1 (the primary winding): https://i.imgur.com/3cZb9My.png
12:21:39 <arch> or rather, i am expecting to see*
12:21:49 <arch> i havent started building this yet, going to soon
12:22:21 <T3sl4> wut
12:22:46 <arch> did i say something dumb again, or is it TI's appnote this time?
12:22:48 <arch> or both
12:22:57 <T3sl4> see the IL2
12:23:00 <T3sl4> and see the COUT2
12:23:22 <T3sl4> or wait
12:23:30 <T3sl4> is this just an instantaneous equivalent circuit
12:23:53 <arch> lemme give you the link: https://www.ti.com/lit/an/snva674b/snva674b.pdf
12:24:02 <arch> page 3
12:24:22 <arch> only thing different is mine are stacked instead of separate
12:24:29 <arch> outputs are stacked
12:24:34 <T3sl4> oh, you cropped off 2a
12:27:12 <arch> im excited. i always like to see these waveforms for myself:3
12:27:24 <arch> and learn a bit more :D
12:29:21 * T3sl4 heatpats arch
12:30:07 <arch> :3
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13:16:53 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: For those playing along at home I did hit play and watched Idiocracy as the clock rolled over.
14:50:35 <Halcyon> *yawns*
14:50:42 <Halcyon> What should I make for dinner tonight?
14:50:43 <electrohead> o/
14:50:46 <Halcyon> Yooo
14:50:50 <electrohead> hey mate
14:50:52 <electrohead> hugs and stuff
14:50:57 <electrohead> food?
14:51:00 <Halcyon> YAY! And stuff
14:51:00 * electrohead runs
14:51:08 <Halcyon> Yes, you're so helpful :p
14:51:10 <electrohead> :p
14:51:28 <electrohead> eggs and some other side, maybe?
14:51:29 <Halcyon> I had a little nap before
14:51:44 <electrohead> heh, I actually just woke the hell up, I passed out for a long time
14:52:01 <electrohead> and I'll be going back to bed within the hour or two, got work, tomorrow
14:52:08 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
14:52:16 <Halcyon> Yay! More hugs!
14:52:26 * Halcyon grabs Ampera's butt during the hug
14:52:31 <Ampera> how are you doing future boy
14:52:38 * Ampera farts nervously at Halcyon
14:52:48 <Halcyon> Great, now my hand is contaminated
14:53:00 <Halcyon> I'm doing OK, sleepy.
14:53:23 <Ampera> don't call me sleepy, you stupid dwarf
14:53:57 <Halcyon> :P
14:54:36 <coppice> feeling sleepy and happy will put a smile on their faces
14:55:33 <Halcyon> I need to wee wee
15:02:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I do believe I've found my mailbag thumbnail https://t.co/M9WayhIFj6
15:05:31 <Halcyon> Might do mac and cheese
15:05:36 <Halcyon> Simple and delicious
15:07:41 * Ampera does smack and cheese and smacks Halcyon right on his cheese
15:18:48 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: LBC just peaked at 0.2 dollarydoos https://t.co/QqBZ9y3UdW
15:43:53 Quit: coppice ([email protected]) Quit: Konversation terminated!
15:48:22 * Halcyon gives Ampera a smack
16:06:02 * electrohead solders random parts of Halcyon's together
16:06:16 <Halcyon> \o/
16:06:27 <electrohead> :P
16:06:36 <electrohead> it's finally 2021 here
16:07:03 <Halcyon> Yep
16:07:07 <Halcyon> Doesn't feel any different
16:07:25 <electrohead> lots of fireworks going off, locally
16:07:35 <electrohead> scared the shit out of me when it started, heh
16:07:43 <electrohead> guess that's how I can tell I'm getting older
16:07:46 <electrohead> lol
16:07:54 <electrohead> I fucking jumped, heh
16:08:18 <Halcyon> Don't worry, soon you won't be able to hear them at all :P
16:08:20 <Halcyon> You old fart
16:08:48 <electrohead> actually, I'm getting an appointment set up with the VA soon about my hearing
16:08:49 <electrohead> :/
16:09:07 <electrohead> the joys of working around jet engines all of those years, guh
16:09:09 <Halcyon> About time they did something
16:09:31 <electrohead> haha
16:09:53 <electrohead> also will be getting my left knee checked out, as it clicks, clacks, and grinds all about
16:10:03 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4, can you replace tag tantulum caps with just regular eletrolytics?
16:13:00 <Halcyon> So what's doing electrohead ?
16:13:23 <electrohead> Halcyon: I wouldn't see why not, to be honest with you; tantalum's are more stable than electrolytic, if I recall correctly
16:13:30 <electrohead> and, it's doing
16:13:46 <Halcyon> *shrug* I just have a bunch of vintage puter stuff and tag tants tend to go bang
16:14:00 <electrohead> just checked my bank account, and noticed an extra 600 dollars, thanks to the US government
16:14:06 <Halcyon> \o/
16:14:13 <Halcyon> Happy new year
16:14:17 <electrohead> older tag tants, yeah I can see that happening
16:14:32 <electrohead> happy new year
16:14:47 <Halcyon> What you going to do with the cash?
16:15:12 <electrohead> well, just put some cash into my savings, and my secondary checking account
16:15:18 <electrohead> *slowly* saving up (again)
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16:15:49 <Halcyon> Very good
16:16:10 <electrohead> there is something that I spotted, thanks to the internet, some time ago
16:16:19 <Halcyon> Mmm ?
16:16:58 <Kuschelpony> best wishes for 2021
16:17:04 <electrohead> the hackRF portapack H2
16:17:07 <electrohead> ;o
16:17:13 <electrohead> Kuschelpony: happy new year \o/
16:17:18 <Halcyon> Thanks Kuschelpony
16:17:21 <Halcyon> :) You too
16:17:46 <Halcyon> Yeh I have one of those at work electrohead
16:17:55 <electrohead> how is it, overall?
16:18:05 <electrohead> been eyeing this up now for some time
16:18:13 <Halcyon> It's OK. It's good to get your feet wet but it's not anything super powerful
16:18:30 <electrohead> I just like the portability of it
16:18:38 <Halcyon> What would you do with it?
16:18:40 <electrohead> have you replaced the firmware of it?
16:18:52 <Halcyon> *shrug* I don't really use it
16:18:56 <Halcyon> It was more of a toy
16:20:47 <electrohead> https://github.com/eried/portapack-mayhem
16:21:01 <electrohead> well, this is the main reason why I've been thinking about getting it, just to muck with
16:21:53 <electrohead> mainly, however, the fact that you can technically just remove the hackRF itself, and interface with that via other means
16:22:08 <electrohead> in the end, it's a hackRF, and that's a very decent SDR platform
16:22:23 <electrohead> for me however - I just like to scan the air waves and decode random things
16:22:26 <electrohead> :P
16:22:41 <Halcyon> I still have my old analog radio scanner
16:22:49 <Halcyon> I used to play with that all the time as a kid
16:22:54 <Halcyon> Listening to phone calls etc...
16:23:00 <electrohead> Heh
16:23:07 <electrohead> yeah, back when you could do that
16:23:28 <electrohead> nowadays, everything is digital, and encrypted enough that you can't just 'scan and listen'
16:25:30 <Halcyon> Yep
16:25:35 <electrohead> I remember finding a small little private-ish radio shop a few blocks away from me, and the guy had scanners that were modified to pick up everything
16:25:49 <Halcyon> Even back then if it was digital but not encrypted, you needed a digital scanner to listen, which I didn't have
16:26:05 <Halcyon> Even the analog channels on a trunked network were harder to listen to
16:26:06 <electrohead> was really young, though, and didn't understand the hype of that yet, heh
16:26:23 * electrohead throws SDR dongles at you
16:26:26 <electrohead> :p
16:26:42 <electrohead> I have enough of them to set up a trunked receive station
16:26:46 <Halcyon> Hehe I thought about getting back into it, but there is limited stuff you can intercept now
16:27:02 <electrohead> oh for sure, but.. it's still fun :P
16:27:35 <Halcyon> Yeh
16:27:59 <Halcyon> When pagers were a thing the to POCSAG protocol was interesting to intercept
16:28:08 <electrohead> you can still do that
16:28:11 <electrohead> >.>
16:29:00 * electrohead still patiently waits for his miniwhip antenna to show up
16:29:42 <electrohead> planning on having a dedicated SDR dongle with an upconverter, to run 24/7, to see if I can come across any number stations around the world
16:29:46 <electrohead> heh
16:30:12 <Kuschelpony> and we also hope that SAQ can run again soon
16:30:34 <Kuschelpony> (wet dream) or set up an own vlf transmitter :)
16:30:46 <Halcyon> I don't think we have pager networks anymore here?
16:31:00 <Halcyon> I haven't seen them for a very long time. Hospitals might still use them?
16:33:29 <electrohead> I live in between two hospitals; I found PII being transmitted, heh
16:33:49 <electrohead> no encryption whatsoever
16:34:02 <Halcyon> PII?
16:34:13 <electrohead> personal indentifiable information
16:34:17 <Halcyon> Ahh
16:34:41 <electrohead> names, phone numbers, addresses, a social security number once so far, long+lat coordinates
16:34:50 <electrohead> stared right at it, on my screen >.<
16:35:09 <Halcyon> That's pretty bad
16:35:47 <electrohead> actually afraid a bit to report it, as (they) may think I'm some sort of criminal
16:36:07 <Halcyon> I wouldn't bother. They obviously know the risks
16:36:39 <electrohead> but, then again, where I live.. the usual/normal criminals aren't the brightest. doubt any of them even know how to get that far, in order to scan around and pick up POCSAG transmissions
16:36:41 <electrohead> :P
16:37:27 * Ampera hugs Halcyon and electrohead
16:38:00 * electrohead hugs Ampera
16:38:03 <electrohead> hey
16:38:17 <Halcyon> :D
16:38:50 <Ampera> hi
16:38:57 <Ampera> new year
16:39:14 <Halcyon> So it is
16:39:20 <Ampera> perhaps I'll become happy in it
16:39:26 <Halcyon> Good to see you catching up with the rest of the world :P
16:39:45 * Halcyon gives Ampera a celebratory spank
16:40:59 * Ampera gives Halcyon a melancholy hug
16:44:14 <Ampera> I remember a year ago, wishing 2020 would be the year things would get better for me
16:44:44 <Ampera> while progress was made, all I feel is worse compared to then
16:47:06 <Halcyon> Yeh but that is in direct result to people in your life
16:47:24 <Halcyon> Whilst the relationship might not be fixable, your living arrangement is
16:47:56 <Ampera> there's more than that
16:48:18 <Ampera> I think I'm starting to regret stopping my transition, and getting serious doubts about if I can be happy in my life the way I am
16:49:03 <Ampera> I think I've also started to have serious general anxiety, of a degree I've never had before
16:51:28 <Ampera> I'm starting to think I won't be able to fit right into society, and just exist right as I am
16:51:52 <Ampera> fuck I hate this disease
16:55:55 <Halcyon> :(
16:57:00 <Ampera> I guess it's back to more discussions and debates and struggling with the future
16:58:03 <Halcyon> Well you still have plenty of time to work it out
16:58:11 <Halcyon> It's not as if you need to make the decision now
17:31:07 Quit: Nothing\ ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
17:38:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I can buy my own island for $1.2M That's barely above the median house price in Sydney. Give me a good reason why I shouldn't move and hoist a pirate flag. https://t.co/BvVlaX0iQC https://t.co/dqgi0eOhaa
17:42:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Oops, wrong price, it's down to $999k! https://t.co/NsIZejG0OO
18:50:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: This photo may lead to polarising opinions... https://t.co/8kVR8jRtSK
20:34:45 * Halcyon sneezes all over Ampera
20:36:18 Join: steve30 ([email protected]) to #EEVblog
20:36:18 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o steve30
20:37:52 <steve30> morning
20:38:20 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
20:38:29 <Halcyon> Happy new year
20:38:49 <steve30> I had a nice sleep :)
20:38:55 <Halcyon> Oh good
20:44:10 * steve30 coffees
20:44:34 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN0CuBMk6cA
20:46:23 <Halcyon> Combines your two favourite things
20:52:33 <steve30> I might fire up the raspberry pi later and have a play with RISCOS
20:53:48 <steve30> I'm pleased my EGPRS connection is working well, but it has only tempted me to get a 4G modem :)
21:03:09 <Halcyon> :)
21:03:54 <Halcyon> What are you using it for?
21:08:56 <steve30> The GPRS?
21:10:18 <Halcyon> Yessum
21:11:30 <steve30> Internet, since the VDSL is out
21:11:36 <Halcyon> Oh
21:11:39 <steve30> also, yay kitties :)
21:11:40 <Halcyon> What happened?
21:14:39 <steve30> My Mum cancelled her acount with the ISP and set up a new one (due to the ISPs dodgy billing system amongst other things). I anticipated that the VDSL weould fail at some point as the new account would mean a new PPPoE username/pass
21:14:48 <steve30> well it finally failed with an authentication error.
21:15:02 <steve30> Basically she just needs to change the PPPoiE user/pass in her router
21:15:27 <Halcyon> I'm re-watching Bruno
21:15:33 <Halcyon> Hahaha I've forgotten how funny this is
21:15:43 <steve30> Is that the gay one?
21:15:47 <Halcyon> Yeh
21:15:53 <steve30> I've seen it but forgot what its about :)
21:16:51 <steve30> Anyway, I got set up for internet access with an old Nokia 6300 which I had lying around
21:19:25 <Halcyon> What are the speedtests like?
21:23:24 <steve30> I can download Youtube videos at 18KBps
21:23:33 <steve30> So, far better than dialup at least :)
21:23:41 <Halcyon> Amazing :P
21:23:52 <Halcyon> Hey, at least you can IRC
21:24:05 <steve30> yup
21:24:41 <Halcyon> Is there much you can do at those speeds?
21:24:48 <Halcyon> I'm surprised Youtube loads
21:24:49 <steve30> Its actually adequate for browsing,as long as you have a bit of patience. You need /some/patience for browsing on this machine anyway. Its a P4 thinkpad.
21:25:25 <steve30> Halcyon, I'm using Youtube-dl for the videos. Browsers can't easily play YT videos on this machine
21:25:34 <Halcyon> Ah right
21:51:18 * steve30 meows at Halcyon
21:52:11 * Halcyon puts the cat outside
21:52:30 * steve30 fires snowballs at Halcyon
22:15:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: The USD/gold standard was "temporarily" closed in 1971. Now, 50 years later I guess Nixon could still technically be right, it just depends on your definition of temporary. LOL And double LOL if you don't own some gold. https://t.co/dLWNxUxVBZ
22:33:40 <steve30> we're having grandma round for dinner today
22:33:48 <Halcyon> Oh nice
22:33:52 <Halcyon> What you having?
22:33:58 <steve30> chicken
22:34:27 <Halcyon> *cluck*
23:15:22 <steve30> you doing much for new year?
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23:21:11 <steve30> youtube is down to 12KB/s now :D
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