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17:59 <Ampera> you people are boring and I hate you all especially myself
18:10 <Ampera> er, I mean hi
26:36 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera in the most boring way possible
27:25 * Ampera squeezes T3sl4 until his head pops off, rocketing towards the sky where it hits a nearby satellite, sending both crashing down to earth, setting a swimming pool on fire
27:41 <T3sl4> pfft, that's far too unboring
27:46 <Ampera> how are you are you T3sl4
28:06 <T3sl4> i'm 5/7 are you
28:21 <Ampera> NEMA 6-15R
29:16 <T3sl4> how recept{ive|acle} of you
29:42 * Ampera splits T3sl4's phase
29:59 * T3sl4 scott-tees Ampera's phase
30:50 * Ampera crosses the beams
30:50 <Lemon> question guys
30:56 <Ampera> answer Lemon
30:58 <Lemon> I need to instal my dear radeon 7970
31:02 <Lemon> right now I have a gtx 1080
31:09 <Lemon> can I install the driver right now ?
31:16 <Ampera> why would you want to
31:16 <Lemon> or I need absolutely to remove the 1080 one first
31:32 <Ampera> what OS
31:36 <Lemon> win 10 :>
31:52 <Ampera> The installer would probably object if you don't have the card installed
31:57 <T3sl4> why'd he leave the citrus upon the table?
32:08 <Ampera> and there's nothing really to gain by doing it before
32:22 <Lemon> well I had some experience without any image, prior to a driver install
32:25 <Lemon> which was annoying
32:29 <Lemon> but yeah ok I'll try like that
32:45 <Lemon> see you in a few then :>
32:48 <Ampera> have fun
32:50 <Ampera> don't die
32:54 <Lemon> thx xd
32:54 <Ampera> and if you do, upload it
33:19 <rust_collector> delete the driver first, replace card, install new old driver?
33:52 <Ampera> that would also do
34:05 * Ampera pours vinegar on rust_collector 
34:15 <rust_collector> OI!
34:23 <Ampera> now you are both piss /and/ vinegar
34:37 <T3sl4> mmm, ammonium acetate
34:40 * electrohead yawns and waves and stuff
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34:59 <rust_collector> hello, dr mr head
35:12 <electrohead> Yo.
35:15 * Ampera fires an adorable cat right by electrohead's head, nailing it claw first to the wall
35:39 <T3sl4> electrohi
35:40 <electrohead> finally, I was able to sleep in without either being woken up, or having to wake up for an appointment in a week
35:43 <electrohead> :D
35:53 <T3sl4> yay, sleeps
36:01 <Ampera> I have more appointments this week than I usually do
36:01 <electrohead> sleepz
36:12 <Ampera> I get shot up again on wednesday
36:34 <rust_collector> they should set up some drive-by shootings
36:35 * T3sl4 innoculates Ampera against lead
36:57 <Ampera> rust_collector, those are nowhere near as fun as fly-by shootings
37:19 <rust_collector> mmkay
37:45 <T3sl4> they should just put the vax in the chemtrails
38:03 * Ampera smacks T3sl4 with a PDP-11
38:55 <electrohead> heh, there we go, giving out covid shots via blowgun darts
39:04 * T3sl4 straight up DECs Ampera 
39:07 <Ampera> ooo ooo
39:10 <Ampera> I wanna blow people!
39:19 <electrohead> lol..
39:19 * Ampera folds like a house of cards
40:54 <Ampera> I should be able to plug all my server stuff in this weekend
41:05 <Ampera> mostly waiting on my IEC cables to come in
41:12 <electrohead> we demand pictures once you are done
41:28 <Ampera> well if you demand
42:29 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/315713347368648705/838771537623384084/20210502_135140.jpg
42:36 <Ampera> These are the parts I have at the moment
44:04 <electrohead> who's helping you install that?
44:19 <Ampera> I don't know how effective that surgebreaker would actually be, I have my doubts, but it's better than nothing at all
44:20 <Ampera> maybe
44:46 <Ampera> I am installing it myself. It should be fine under codes, as I'm not directly wiring anything in, I see it as basically a big power bar with breakers
45:16 <electrohead> just be careful, please
45:17 <Ampera> This was much cheaper than a proper PDU with breakers to accept a 50A outlet
46:01 <Ampera> I should be fine, there's not a whole lot to go wrong, and I'm confident I can keep any of that from happening
48:14 <electrohead> :P
48:43 <T3sl4> 240V is on the margin where sparks/arcs start to get real nasty
48:56 <T3sl4> i don't think there's much arc flash hazard from a residential circuit?
50:00 <Ampera> I'm not sure. 240V 50A is about as beefy as residential stuff tends to get.
50:55 <Ampera> The only place where I'd be potentially ever disconnecting that sort of current, though, is the plug
51:22 <T3sl4> i've shorted that out with a contactor and it didn't explode or anything, just a loud flash and it welded shut
51:55 <Ampera> Wikipedia says 400V and above is where it tends to get interesting
52:14 <T3sl4> fault currents are also much higher
52:56 <rust_collector> 17kv is also interesting, but when you get over 50kv, it is much more fun
53:18 <T3sl4> medium voltage is medium, but it's the high voltage that really gets you high
53:26 <rust_collector> still, you will be fine, but still, be careful
54:01 <rust_collector> I wish I had 400v here. we are on the old 230v system
55:27 <T3sl4> 400V wye is a pretty good standard
56:15 <rust_collector> I think it makes sense
57:18 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ublS6x5qkko
57:19 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Tankard | A Girl Called Cerveza [Full Album]
57:48 <Reg7805> Question > If y = cos θ give a graphical representation of the differential coefficient of this function. > i think it is -sinθ, but graphical representation?
58:00 <Ampera> I wonder what, if any, efficiency improvement I'd see from 240V into my PC switching supplies
58:18 <Ampera> I've heard supplies, particularly beefy server ones, tend to have higher efficiency on 240V
58:40 <T3sl4> usually a bit, the PFC front end has less boosting work to do
59:16 <Ampera> That's part of why I'm using 240V for this, besides the plug being there and convenient
59:35 <electrohead> Oh fuck. I did a thing. And it may be a really good thing.
59:37 * electrohead dances
59:50 * T3sl4 films
59:53 <Ampera> Did you finally send the reaper drones to find me and eliminate me?
59:56 <Ampera> that'd be very good indeed
00:18 <electrohead> I'm going to go out for a cig, and let you people patiently and eagerly wait for me to say what happened.
00:22 <electrohead> *the suspense*
00:34 <Ampera> ok
00:42 <Ampera> you go suck on your fag
00:56 * T3sl4 sucks on Ampera
01:15 <Ampera> in fairness, I did not say who or which fag, so that is acceptable
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04:41 <T3sl4> Reg7805: d/dθ sin θ = cos θ?
07:06 <Reg7805> yes but when it is d/dθ cosθ = -sinθ?
07:47 <T3sl4> i don't have a clue what it has to do with the graphical representation, but if they're saying cos is the differential of "this" function, then "this" must be--?
08:06 <electrohead> Alright, back.
08:10 <Reg7805> sinθ
08:13 <T3sl4> also, is your textbook or whatever actually this bad? idunno if this is a translation thing or anything
08:43 <Reg7805> this is from my assignment
09:16 <Reg7805> i just it want sinθ graph
09:39 <Reg7805> i think it just wants me to put a sinθ graph
14:21 * rust_collector is happy he is not in school
14:28 <Ampera> ^^^
14:44 <Reg7805> luck you rust_collector
15:08 <Reg7805> lucky
15:19 <Ampera> I dropped out after my first semester
15:22 <Ampera> and am not going back
15:32 <rust_collector> I did go to school a few times, it was not the most useful use of time
15:51 <electrohead> So, someone PM'd me on the eevblog forums, via a posting I posted in the jobs section. Just talked to the guy, he was in a meeting, and he's calling me back later on at 1700.
15:53 <electrohead> :D
15:57 <coppice> Beware of people who spend too much time with graphs. They are plotting something
16:22 <T3sl4> gl electrohead
16:31 <Ampera> coppice, they're always ready to draw lines, and are just as ready to cross them
16:42 <Ampera> Excellent news electrohead, hope you get it
17:09 <Ysjoelfir> nice mr. head!
17:26 <rust_collector> so, you might be moving to panama?
17:31 <electrohead> Lol, nah
17:40 <electrohead> it's out of baltimore, maryland
17:45 <rust_collector> oh, too bad.
17:58 <rust_collector> but good luck anyway.
18:43 <electrohead> well, that's only like, two hours away from me?
18:46 <electrohead> roughly
18:48 <electrohead> so, not too bad
19:48 <T3sl4> coppice: however, it bodes well for EEs
20:13 <T3sl4> tho panama might be a bit safer
23:01 <electrohead> ahh, around two and a half hours
23:19 <coppice> the further the better
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28:13 <electrohead> well, remote work would be a tiny bit nice
28:26 <electrohead> would suck having to make that drive every day for five days a week, etc
28:34 <electrohead> then again, I'm open for moving closer
29:10 <rust_collector> spending 5 hours each day getting to work.. nah, not ideal.
29:35 <rust_collector> time to buy a van?
35:25 <electrohead> or a teleportation device
35:27 <electrohead> :p
35:29 <electrohead> "Clothes are the lowest priority for an engineer, assuming the basic thresholds for temperature and decency have been satisfied. If no appendages are freezing or sticking together, and if no genitalia or mammary glands are swinging around in plain view, then the objective of clothing has been met. Anything else is a waste."
35:57 <Ampera> mammary glands
36:05 <Ampera> mammary glands
36:21 <rust_collector> I think Ysjoelfir has shut down?
38:57 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/n3tled/spittin_bars/
39:00 <eevBot> [Title] - spittin bars : memes
49:10 <Lemon> seems the bad luck streak goes on
49:27 <Lemon> I plug the card, support it with some corks as I usually do because those cards are heavy and sag like fuck
49:43 <Lemon> turn on psu switch and hear a really strong high pitch noise coming from my screen
49:47 <Lemon> im like "wtf"
49:55 <Lemon> turn off, I try again, no more sound, ok
49:58 <Lemon> but no video
50:14 <Lemon> so I plug a vga cable to the mobo, get video, see the card in peripherals detected as a redeon blabla
50:27 <Lemon> I install the radeo software but its not working, no video either
51:35 <Lemon> if anyone got an idea
51:40 <Lemon> im already tired of this shit :>
55:19 <Ampera> maybe the card is just bad, Lemon
55:37 <Lemon> nah doubt it, guy proved me it works, and its detected, fans are spinning etc
55:44 <Lemon> I see lots of people got issues with those cards
55:49 <rust_collector> and all that stuff, just because you have to play some old game.... pssssh...
55:59 <Lemon> heh I wish
56:05 <Lemon> but that high pitched noise coming from my screen scared me
56:11 <rust_collector> and you have the nvidia driver and stuff uninstalled?
56:15 <Lemon> and it stopped with the same setup
56:40 <Lemon> well I was installing amd radeon thingie but I cant have a display so it cant install properly, as it needs the card
57:21 <rust_collector> and you can not do that with the screen on vga?
57:58 <Ampera> the card should default to VESA regardless of drivers
58:06 <Lemon> well it asked for a reboot (I was on vga) and couldnt get a display even from mobo
58:07 <Lemon> which is weird
58:17 <Lemon> well I had that issue with previous radeons
58:27 <Lemon> and even that gtx, when I think about it
58:55 <rust_collector> I guess it is the fun part of putting pc stuff in a server?
59:04 <Lemon> yeah but it ends up working
59:09 <Lemon> thats mostly that high pitched noise
59:12 <Lemon> what the fuck it was
59:21 <Lemon> like, really high, not a coil whine
59:25 <Lemon> and it was coming from the screen
59:29 <Lemon> which is even weirder
00:24 <rust_collector> ok, if it ends up working. than... great. enjoy that
01:43 <rust_collector> ice cream van is here! ding ding ding. Ok, I am going to put summer tires on moms car, have fun
05:14 <Lemon> yeah idk what to do
05:19 <Lemon> guess I will put back the card and try again
08:27 <Ysjoelfir> why have I shut down, rust_collector? :D
08:52 * electrohead is done rebooting Ysjoelfir
08:54 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir helppppp !
09:23 <Ampera> I should make fish at some point
09:26 <electrohead> Lemon: do you have serial access to said computer?
09:28 <Lemon> do you know what can cause a gpu to cause the screen making a really high pitch noise ?
09:29 <Ampera> since Lemon is here
09:46 <Lemon> hehhh by that you mean accessing it by another computer ?
10:30 <electrohead> yes
10:44 <Lemon> from now, what I can say is : card is detected, I can have an image by connecting via vga to the mobo, but I cant have a display when I connect the screen directly to card
10:50 <Lemon> and no sadly
12:16 <Lemon> ok you know what I forgot to check via gpu z
12:23 <Lemon> I will plug back the card, and connect via vga
12:35 <electrohead> oh oh, the motherboard vga works? ok, carry on about the serial access, lol
12:40 <Lemon> previously, I was connected via vga, while installing driver it needed a reboot, but it didnt work
12:48 <Lemon> no more display
12:51 <Lemon> which is also weird
13:09 <Lemon> ok so brb, will try to do that
26:37 <Lemon> ok, for some reasons it took more time to boot but I still have an image via vga
26:41 <Lemon> gpu z do see the card
26:47 <Lemon> I will try to finish installing drivers
28:55 <Lemon> just noticed its seeing no memory and no clock...
28:56 <Lemon> shit
30:54 <electrohead> uh oh
38:12 <Ysjoelfir> did your expensive card die that you wanted to sell?
39:51 <Lemon> alright, it works
39:54 <Lemon> phew
39:58 <Lemon> jesus h christ as we say
40:16 <Lemon> I was really concerned, between the super weird noise coming from screen, no display etc
40:26 <Lemon> but now that I reinstalled drivers correctly, it seems to wrok
40:27 <Lemon> work
40:41 <Lemon> gpu z is seeing everything correctly
42:08 <Lemon> things looks a bit slowish tho
42:13 <Lemon> but it might be windows
43:54 <Lemon> and theres still nvidia drivers too
44:00 <Lemon> so some shit might be conflicting
44:06 <Lemon> but, I have an image, which is the principal
45:32 <Lemon> alright yeh windows at its finest, its used to 3 screens
45:41 <Lemon> so everytime you plug only one, thats a shitfest
47:11 <Lemon> same fps as before on tibia, perfect
47:22 <Lemon> even a fucking gt 210 would be overkill for this game anyway
47:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://youtu.be/JlGXKit7mmI?t=391 thats... interesting. The thing has been sitting for a while but it had pressure on the hydraulics tank? How would that happen? Could the oil be rotting?
47:28 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sitting 20+ years, Will this MASSIVE Wheel Loader Run and Drive home?!?! (Cummins Power!)
50:34 <Lemon> black magic !
50:56 <Lemon> a ye forgot that the card is like 1mm too big, sound card doesnt fit anymore :>>>>
07:50 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: could be, could be just air rushing in/out from temp difference since it was last opened? dunno
08:06 <T3sl4> oh, and air rushing in could also be oxygen used up oxidizing oil stuffs
08:47 <T3sl4> not sure how saturated hydraulic fluid usually is, that might require bacteria to oxidize
16:10 <Ysjoelfir> I like that guy. watched a few vids from him. have to admit that I am slightly jealous :P
21:27 * T3sl4 lifts Ysjoelfir hydraulically
21:51 * Ampera squirts hydraulic oil at T3sl4 
21:55 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds adequate
21:56 * electrohead films
22:13 * T3sl4 waterjets Ampera's personalities apart
23:17 <Ampera> You have split my personality into two, but those personalities are also me, and also have split personalities
23:29 <Ampera> and those personalities, when split, are also me, and also have split personalities
23:31 <Ampera> you fool
23:33 <Ampera> do you know what you've done
23:38 <Ampera> you have created infinite personalities
23:38 * Ysjoelfir renames Ampera to Legion
23:48 * Ampera renames Ysjoelfir to Ysjoelfir 
25:15 <T3sl4> yuo see ivan, yuo cannot beat stick
25:21 <T3sl4> break stick? now have two stick
25:27 <T3sl4> cannot beat stick
25:40 * Ampera bends stick, tapes ends together into a 0
25:42 <Ampera> now you have 0 stick
25:43 <Ampera> I have won
27:01 <T3sl4> no, stick is one, you have zero
27:32 * Ampera replaces the stick with a dick, bashes T3sl4 with it quite ferociously
27:40 <T3sl4> harder
31:42 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir it is probably just the temp
31:52 * rust_collector just had nettle soup
31:55 <Ysjoelfir> thats lame :D
32:15 <rust_collector> yep
33:17 <rust_collector> what a useless size machine he got, lol. it is too big for garden use, and to small to be useful
33:24 <rust_collector> weird
34:19 <Ysjoelfir> well, he used it to build his driveway
34:40 <Ysjoelfir> but also for that price I would have probably bought it as well
34:59 <Ysjoelfir> well
35:03 <Ysjoelfir> if I would have the room
35:53 <rust_collector> you do. if it does not fit, it makes itself fit. that is the nice thing about older machines
36:12 <Ysjoelfir> weeeeeeeeeeell...... not sure how good that works in a rental apartment
36:26 <rust_collector> it will fit. don't worry
37:01 <rust_collector> just get it up to speed, and it will go inside
37:11 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
40:26 <rust_collector> it has been a looong time since I listened to tankard. I guess they have their moments
43:28 <Ysjoelfir> who?
43:45 <rust_collector> no, not the who
44:30 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt_TDNDn5CU
44:31 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: stay thirsty - tankard
51:40 <Ysjoelfir> oooooh, those!
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52:36 <Ampera> Hi TheDude how are you dudeing
52:49 <rust_collector> dudedudedude
06:21 <TheDude> heeyo :)
06:34 <TheDude> quite alright
06:45 <TheDude> feeling somewhat rekt, but satisfied
07:19 <TheDude> 2nd visit at the gym after a long period of mostly physical inactivity
08:07 <TheDude> last visit felt like death was approaching, this one just a smidge less so
08:12 <TheDude> \o/
21:11 <rust_collector> well, good luck with that. I really hate going to the gym
21:25 <rust_collector> which might be why I did it 3-4 times
23:49 <TheDude> there's a trick to it
24:07 <TheDude> at least at the beginning, it's a good idea to go with friends, to encourage each other
24:24 <rust_collector> well, I don't think heavy drinking will help much
25:06 <TheDude> and also I'm not doing the exercises on gym equipment, but guided HIIT exercise routines
25:17 <rust_collector> mmhmm
25:47 <rust_collector> well, people are different. good luck with that
25:53 <TheDude> having many people around you doing the same thing is good encouragement as well
26:10 <TheDude> also you have music and it tends to be somewhat fun
26:37 <rust_collector> well, as I said, people are different. I hate having people around.
26:48 <TheDude> yeah, just gotta find something that works for you
27:23 <rust_collector> yep
27:25 <TheDude> having attractive girls around also helps :D
27:42 <rust_collector> I see your point there
30:41 <rust_collector> so, are you one of those non-overweight bouncy and quick guys?
31:23 <rust_collector> Speed was never my thing.
34:05 <TheDude> yes, not overweight, but not particularly quick
34:32 <TheDude> I'm reasonably tall, so I can be quick in a straight line, but that's not what you're doing there
35:56 <rust_collector> I am just normal height and a bit fat. so
35:58 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) EOF from client
37:00 <TheDude> I've accumulated a little bit of blubber over the whole lockdown thing, but that shouldn't take that long to get rid of, if I continue visiting the gym
37:54 <rust_collector> I have saved up loads of fat in the 15 years I have had my lazy job
38:37 <TheDude> in that case swimming or cycling would be excellent for you
38:48 <rust_collector> yeah, sure
38:59 <TheDude> something that doesn't give your joints harsh impacts
40:56 <rust_collector> you are not wrong. but... well, I could actually like swimming. i have thought about it
42:16 <rust_collector> scuba cycling would be interesting
42:24 <TheDude> :D
42:55 <TheDude> swimming is cool because it's extremely time efficient
43:41 <TheDude> you burn those calories like crazy and when you've had enough, you simply get to the edge of the pool and end it immediately
43:47 <rust_collector> yes, you swim and swim for half an hour, and when you are done, you just put your feet down, and walk back the 20 meters you got done
43:57 <rust_collector> pool. no no
44:10 <TheDude> haha :D
44:38 <rust_collector> we have water outdoors. I like that much better
45:14 <TheDude> that's definitely nicer, but somewhat limiting depending on weather and the time of year
45:27 <Ysjoelfir> naaaah.
45:43 <rust_collector> well, yes, but if you can walk on top of the water, then... well, that is a workout
45:54 <Ysjoelfir> The lognavatn was last year at very nice 11 degrees when it was 30C outside.
46:15 <TheDude> oooh
46:20 <rust_collector> hmm, I wonder what the temp is in the sea here... let he have a look
46:55 <TheDude> I much prefer the water to be above like 16-18°C, tbh
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48:07 <rust_collector> I like my water to be above 28c,
48:23 <TheDude> ... so we're talking hot tubs?
50:17 <rust_collector> no, the sea
51:45 <TheDude> I might be missing a key piece of information
51:52 <rust_collector> yes
51:54 <TheDude> where do you live?
51:57 <rust_collector> norway
52:05 <rust_collector> down south-east-ish
52:15 <TheDude> so... hot streams flowing into the sea?
52:21 <rust_collector> nope, ice cold
52:32 <TheDude> where do you get 28°C seawater?
52:40 <rust_collector> I did not say it happens very often...
52:45 <TheDude> :D
52:47 <rust_collector> probably in iran
52:58 <TheDude> Iran so far away
53:05 <TheDude> couldn't get away
53:07 <rust_collector> yes, it is a long walk
53:20 <rust_collector> but... no, it is not really that far away
53:39 <TheDude> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIpfWORQWhU
53:40 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: A Flock Of Seagulls - I Ran (So Far Away) (Video)
53:41 <rust_collector> ok, it is a bit long, if you just want to go for a swim
53:50 <TheDude> this was the reference, in case it wasn't apparent :D
54:28 <rust_collector> hmmm, interesting
55:48 <rust_collector> I like that
02:25 <Reg7805> Hi TheDude , i have been working on the question today, and i have been able to get there number, but still cant the calculus part of the question right, any tips?
03:59 <TheDude> do you know how derivatives are done?
04:24 <Reg7805> i have been practicing
05:05 <TheDude> what did you get as the derivative of the current function that you were given?
06:15 <Reg7805> 1 min, by i figure out how to type it in the chat
06:49 <TheDude> sure, take your time
09:21 <rust_collector> typotypotypotypo typotypo
12:30 <Reg7805> dI/dt= e^(-0.2t)
12:54 <Reg7805> i hope i write that correctly
13:04 <TheDude> the notation is correct
13:08 <TheDude> the calculation isn't
13:24 <TheDude> what you wrote would be a positive result
13:47 <TheDude> the decay is quite apparently negative
13:56 <TheDude> check the signs
14:42 <Reg7805> okay, i will try again until figure it out, thanks
15:17 <TheDude> your calculation is mostly correct, you just skipped a minus somewhere
15:43 <TheDude> I'm guessing when doing the -0.2 * t part
17:31 <Reg7805> dI/dt= -e^(-0.2t)
17:59 <Reg7805> when 5*-0.2 = -1
18:00 <TheDude> correct :)
18:36 <TheDude> now using this equation, calculate the decay at t=2s
19:30 <Reg7805> okay i will trying
22:47 <Reg7805> -e^(-0.2x2)=-0.670320046
22:59 <TheDude> yes, that's it
23:24 <Reg7805> :) thank you
23:25 <TheDude> I'd like to warn you about a very important aspect
23:33 <TheDude> the result is A/s
23:47 <TheDude> units are extremely important, as I already stressed the other day
23:56 <Reg7805> yep donnt foget the SI units
24:04 <TheDude> and also a very good sanity check when you're doing these sorts of calculations
24:21 <TheDude> let's say your instructor actually gave you a proper equation with units
24:42 <TheDude> so i(t) = 5 * e^(-0.2 s^-1 * t) A
25:03 <TheDude> then when you pull out the -0.2 s^-1
25:10 <TheDude> you automatically get A/s
26:30 <TheDude> when you're solving incredibly convoluted systems of equations, the units sort themselves out almost magically
27:11 <Reg7805> okay, i think i understand
27:13 <TheDude> and if you see that some units don't make sense, it's a foolproof way of knowing that you missed something somewhere
27:58 <Reg7805> can i ask you another question?
28:05 <TheDude> just keep at it, you'll get there eventually if you work hard enough :)
28:11 <TheDude> yes, go ahead
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28:51 <Reg7805> If y = cos θ give a graphical representation of the differential coefficient of this function. > it is in my assignment, i think it is sinθ
29:09 <Reg7805> or -sinθ
29:29 <TheDude> it's -sin
29:46 <TheDude> don't try to memorize this, just think of it for a second before you write it
30:00 <TheDude> you know sine goes upwards when it starts
30:06 <TheDude> and you know that cosine starts at the top
30:45 <TheDude> just imagine a tangential line that you put on the curve and slide forward
30:59 <TheDude> does the slope go negative or positive?
32:00 <Reg7805> it goes negative if undertstand corrrectly
32:05 <TheDude> correct
32:23 <TheDude> starts at zero, because you're on the very top of the curve and the tangential is horizontal
32:31 <TheDude> and then starts sloping downwards
32:41 <TheDude> so it can't be +sin, only -sin
32:57 <Halcyon> Ampera: https://twitter.com/catshouldnt/status/1389172862959898624
33:16 * Ampera attack-hugs Halcyon 
33:19 <Ampera> how are you doing fren
33:28 <TheDude> CEILING CAT!
33:28 <Halcyon> Cold
33:48 <Ampera> now if you can only become heartless, then you can be just like me
33:59 <Halcyon> I have a bit to go before that happens
34:05 <TheDude> they just need an opening so they can pounce of the perps
39:58 <Reg7805> how would i give graphical repsentaion of this? by drawing -sin
40:48 <Reg7805> from it starts -sin
41:46 <TheDude> not entirely sure what they meant by differential coefficients
42:06 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/Tx8iTfs.jpg
42:09 <TheDude> but yeah, drawing a -sin would make sense
43:03 <TheDude> "catgirljohn"
43:07 <TheDude> ಠ_ಠ
43:26 <Ampera> T3sl4, are people still making loss jokes
43:29 <TheDude> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfXCE01UYAA8csO.jpg
43:40 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://i.imgur.com/VyKjcLr.jpg
43:49 <T3sl4> Amperently
43:51 <Reg7805> thanks again
44:02 <TheDude> happy to help ^.^
44:10 <T3sl4> TheDude: well what did you expect, its a tumblrmeme
44:51 <Halcyon> Heheh drunk birb
45:15 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pnqYG9E9AQ
45:16 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Drunk magpie on fermented apples
45:31 <TheDude> that much is true, tumblr really is the worst part of the internet
45:46 <Ampera> tumblr used to be pretty great for porn
45:56 <Halcyon> True that
45:57 <Ampera> that's why anyone ever went there, nobody cared about the screeching libarts dropouts
46:05 <T3sl4> Halcyon: "ugh, i'm in no condition to fly. wait, i shouldn't listen to me, i'm drunk!"
46:07 <Ampera> when they dropped porn, all they had was the screeching libarts dropouts
46:40 <Ampera> it amuses me to no end that newgrounds sort of became the new tumblr in a way, and a lot of the people who made porn went there
46:45 <Ampera> and reddit somewhat
46:52 <Halcyon> Anyway, time to go to work
46:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, call?
46:58 <T3sl4> is newgrounds actually in a bit of a renaissance? huh
47:06 <Ampera> I'm not sure, but it might have been
47:06 * T3sl4 pats Halcyon on the butt on the way out
47:13 * electrohead rubs on Halcyon
48:29 <TheDude> https://twitter.com/promo_copy/status/1369923905293594626
48:39 <TheDude> this is still one of my favorite rants to date :D
48:52 * Ampera spoon-feeds electrohead expired mayo
49:42 <T3sl4> eh, pretty good
49:54 <T3sl4> captures the "fuck you won't do what you tell me" i grew up with
50:21 <TheDude> his delivery is also spectacular
50:30 <TheDude> the way he gets riled up is fucking amazing :D
50:39 <T3sl4> it sounds like he really means it
50:49 <TheDude> yeah :)
51:06 <Reg7805> lol, its actually true
51:13 <electrohead> Ampera: lol
51:32 <Ampera> how are you doing electrohead
51:35 <TheDude> "a death metal band, or a thrash band, or whetever the fuck you played in" :D:D:D:D
51:42 <T3sl4> "it's like expired motor oil"
51:57 <T3sl4> hrm, that quote may be just obscure enough that some of you know it?
53:09 <electrohead> I'm alright, you?
53:34 <TheDude> T3sl4, yeah, I'm drawing blanks here
54:03 <T3sl4> it's in Fate of Atlantis
54:47 <T3sl4> Dr. Jones opens the small fridge in his office and realizes it's been unplugged for some time
55:02 <TheDude> ah, not familiar with that one
55:09 <T3sl4> fortunately the lubricity comes in handy later to move a totem pole
57:27 <Ampera> electrohead, awake
57:31 <Ampera> somewhat anyways
58:13 * T3sl4 caffeines Ampera
59:05 <Ampera> already did that
59:24 * electrohead drinks a landshark for T3sl4
00:07 <T3sl4> spicy
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08:16 <Lemon> hmmmm a guy got a genrad digibridge 1688, it turns on but nothing shows on screen
08:30 <Lemon> im really tempted to buy it if he accept to let it go for a super low price
08:34 <Lemon> he seems to have no idea of what is it
08:42 <Lemon> maybe thats a simple power supply issue, who knows
08:52 <Lemon> a few leds are turning on, but no digits
12:55 <rust_collector> that better be a very very low price
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13:34 <Lemon> yeah I thought about 30 euros lol
13:45 <Lemon> even in that state im sure some peeps would pay 10 times that
13:58 <rust_collector> let them... lol
14:03 <Lemon> its one of the best lcr meter you can get, used as a standard for a long long time
14:17 <Lemon> it doesnt go as high in accuracy as the one I wanted, but it got better accuracy
14:44 <rust_collector> how tall is your accuracy?
15:41 <Lemon> the eucol chinese model indicates 0.05%, which is quite nice already
15:48 <Lemon> the digibridge 0.02%
15:56 <Lemon> and im pretty sure the digibridge got a real 0.02%
16:04 <Lemon> even if those eucol models are nice
16:14 <Lemon> they surely dont have the same quality of components
16:59 <Lemon> well idk in fact
17:05 <Lemon> its quite recent, with modern design
17:11 <Lemon> but the digibridge is quite a neat thing nonetheless
17:19 <Lemon> and maybe its simply an human error
17:24 <Lemon> guy got no idea
17:55 <rust_collector> so, did he hook it up to the speakers, and got no sound?
18:20 <Lemon> heh could be
18:30 <Lemon> all I know is it displays nothing, but some leds are on
25:14 <Lemon> I tried to fiddle with the 24bit adc board
25:29 <Lemon> everything is connected, I found an example made for a strain gaughe that was working
25:38 <Lemon> right now im trying one for a simple voltmeter
25:43 <Lemon> but something is wrong, for some reasons
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28:23 <Lemon> anyway, good thing the gpu works, im going to take pictures and put the 1080 on ebay tommorow morning
31:52 <rust_collector> hehe, I always thought taking pics of things like a cpu seems a bit weird. I mean... they all look the same. also sticks of ram. they look like ram
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35:01 <Lemon> yeah me too
35:05 <Lemon> but people like it I guess
35:12 <rust_collector> sure
36:02 <rust_collector> I think you should make a video.... take the thing out to the park, let it meet dogs, go to a cafe, and drink coffee....
39:51 <rust_collector> do some photoshop work, and make pictures of you and the card in famous places. maybe hunting antelopes in africa, and climbing some mountain
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43:36 <Lemon> good idea !
59:50 <Lemon> yeah well, looking at forums, the digibridge probably suffer from a rom problem
59:56 <Lemon> well, theres really high chances
02:08 <rust_collector> well, that can be good or bad...
05:15 <Lemon> nah rom dumps are not on the net, and it require a logic analyzer, tons of knowledge I dont have etc
05:42 <Lemon> it goes up to 2XKhz only anyway, if I coulld see an error code I would have took it
06:41 <rust_collector> https://bit.ly/3ectGr5
06:42 <eevBot> [Title] - Bitly
07:15 <Lemon> alrightt
15:42 <Lemon> ho it works !
15:54 <Lemon> heh and without any calibration it seems decent
16:00 <Lemon> well, decent is a big word
16:05 <Lemon> but its withing 10mv, not bad
24:36 <Lemon> its super nice
24:45 <Lemon> I have to figure out averaging, sample rates etc
25:15 <Lemon> the example right now shows about 100-120uV residual when nothing is connected
25:25 <Lemon> and 90/80/60uv on other channels
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26:55 <hsn> Yes
27:07 <rust_collector> maybe
27:13 <hsn> No
27:26 <rust_collector> probably
28:34 <hsn> Indeed
28:51 <hsn> 50/50
28:52 <rust_collector> it could be...
29:30 <hsn> Its not confirmed
29:48 <rust_collector> yes
31:08 <hsn> Is 13% good investment to u?
31:11 <hsn> Profit
31:17 <hsn> Over a year
31:18 <rust_collector> depends
31:34 <rust_collector> of what?
31:49 <hsn> 1000$ becomes 1130$ after year
32:10 <hsn> Gold stuff .. no risk envolved
32:17 <rust_collector> if it is 13% of used chewing gum, probably not. if it is 13% of 36 million dollars, yeah, that would be ok
32:58 <hsn> Well i ve maybe 2500$
33:01 <rust_collector> if you have a percentage, and it has to do with money things, there is risk involved
33:23 <hsn> Nah
33:36 <hsn> Im giving it to someone as deal
33:47 <hsn> And he use it in his gold shop
34:32 <rust_collector> so, you do that to be nice to the guy?
34:35 <hsn> The deal is "i buy from u this much grams and u have to buy after 1 year with this much price"
34:56 <hsn> But its kept with him
35:20 <hsn> No .. its more like .. both parties are benifiting from each other
35:47 <hsn> He needs lots of cash in his gold shop .. i need to invest and not to put it idle in bank
54:23 <rust_collector> well, I guess it is similar to having them in a bank, and not in a bank...
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01:37 <Lemon> tommorow I will build the divider with those fluke resistors, connect it to my voltage ref and program the offset
02:25 <rust_collector> tomorrow, I will go to the dump, in the rain, and maybe get something done
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03:12 <Lemon> good good
03:29 <alfbaz> Lemon, whats the adc/dev board you are using?
03:36 <Lemon> im sure I can make something that reads 0 to 80V with a 4.5/5.5 digits resolution and around 100ppm accuracy
03:42 <Lemon> an ads1256
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03:49 <Lemon> the vref issss
03:51 <Lemon> hmmm
04:17 <rust_collector> tiny
04:56 <Lemon> ADR03
05:29 <rust_collector> hmm, it looks like maybe I will not go to the dump in the rain, because it is just 0.2c now
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07:46 <rust_collector> and someone is playing a piano really loud outside, lol
08:23 <Lemon> better than my neighboor listenning to random hardtek 24.7
08:52 <rust_collector> I would not be so sure...
09:18 <rust_collector> pling pling plong pling pling plong
12:01 <Lemon> im really curious what accuracy I can achieve with that setup
12:10 <Lemon> I saw some really nice things
12:13 <rust_collector> around 7
12:15 <Lemon> and they werent using good resistors
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20:09 <Lemon> Vref got 3ppm/C tempco
20:12 <Lemon> which is quite decent
20:25 <Lemon> nonlinearity of the adc is 10ppm
20:41 <Lemon> I guess my meters are within 20ppm
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20:50 <Lemon> yeah 100ppm sounds really achievable
23:18 <Lemon> resistors used for the divider are probably 1-2ppm/C
24:09 <rust_collector> I just ordered some tl431 thingies. I guess I can figure out how to make some nice looking pentagrams with them
28:00 <Lemon> what are those ?
28:29 <rust_collector> it is those little "programmable zener" things.
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32:27 <Lemon> ha yeh nice
32:54 <rust_collector> I mean, they are cheap. and I think they can be fun for random crap
37:24 <rust_collector> hmm, I should get started on that supply, I guess. Maybe start with making a big chunky cooling piece of aluminium
40:48 <rust_collector> yep, remind me of that, when I wake up. I think it is nap time
41:05 <rust_collector> good night people, and Lemon
41:16 <Lemon> sleep tight !
41:26 <rust_collector> toit
41:39 <rust_collector> yep. laterrrr....
07:49 <T3sl4> hrm, it's finally decided to rain here?
08:12 <T3sl4> feels like the sun set at 2-3pm and it's been threatening to rain ever since
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18:17 <Ampera> I just drove for a good hour
18:22 <Ampera> first time doing any long period of driving
18:36 <Ampera> I think I'm picking it up fast, had no major incidents
18:56 <Ampera> I can only feel bad for the alternate reality version of me who royally fucked up
22:11 <T3sl4> any traffic?
22:18 <Ampera> Not much
22:20 * T3sl4 hugs Ampera like a seat belt
22:27 <Ampera> monday evening, so not too many people
23:54 * Ampera tosses some cheese danish at T3sl4 
24:00 <T3sl4> \\oo//
24:15 <T3sl4> mmm, i should get pastries more often
24:57 <T3sl4> i suppose it'd be a bit of culture shock comparing to driving around here, but really the interstates aren't too bad on traffic outside of rush hour, they're well posted and easy to follow, and it's just a matter of adjusting to the traffic density. as long as you know where you're going and take confidence in (and pay attention to) the signs, you'll never need to cut through traffic like an out of state asshole
25:17 <T3sl4> not sure what your nearest major metro area is, or how big
25:33 <Ampera> Didn't go on the interstate
25:35 <T3sl4> buffalo? i forget how west you are
25:37 <Ampera> only some mild local highways
25:41 <Ampera> I'm about 20 miles from Albany
25:49 <T3sl4> yeah, in city at these hours is easy
25:55 <Ampera> It was intercity
26:23 <T3sl4> oh right, albany is in the east (but not NYC)
26:24 <Ampera> we sort of have a main drag connecting my city and Albany that's a big street, but not too much along the way
26:41 <Ampera> Albany is close to as east as you can go, and about directly in the middle vertically of NY
26:57 <Ampera> They call it smalbany for a reason
27:14 <T3sl4> utica is closer to middle?
27:22 <T3sl4> or, N-S vertically, yeah
27:28 <Ampera> I mean they have maps :P
27:51 <Ampera> The metro I'm in is about a million people
27:54 <Ampera> but we're reasonably spread out
28:14 <Ampera> no major urban centers, even Albany is pretty weak
28:23 <Ampera> most of it is suburban\
28:51 <T3sl4> yeah, that's pretty average american suburbia
29:40 <Ampera> The area used to be one of the greatest industrial regions of the US, focusing heavily on electricity
29:46 <Ampera> the city I live in is the birthplace of GE
29:48 <T3sl4> kinda reminds me of this area i guess, https://www.google.com/maps/@44.1836875,-88.5309491,10.5z
29:50 <eevBot> [Title] - Google Maps 
30:00 <T3sl4> yeah, and famously IBM nearby and etc
30:11 <Ampera> I think we had westinghouse too
30:38 <Ampera> Most of that is gone now
30:47 <T3sl4> or niagra falls on the other ass end of the state
30:51 <Ampera> we have some industry, but it's nowhere near the slice of world defining it once was
31:16 <Ampera> now we mostly just have dipshits demolishing famous architecture and building casinos
31:23 <Ampera> well perhaps not famous, but significant
31:26 <T3sl4> oh hey, I-90 goes through. i grew up on I-90, not that that means anything :^)
31:39 <Ampera> Aye, we're right before the mass pike
32:22 <Ampera> Albany is a depressing city
32:25 <T3sl4> kiss m'ass
32:31 <Ampera> it is almost entirely owned by the state government
32:38 <Ampera> there's literally nothing there
33:28 <Ampera> On weekends and holidays, when the state is out of office, you could take a nap in the streets
34:00 <T3sl4> that sounds more pleasant than i think you mean
34:20 <Ampera> no I mean in the middle of main drags
34:24 <Ampera> it is an actual ghost town
34:49 <Ampera> it's detroit levels of empty
34:49 <T3sl4> not just over the last year but in the beforetimes included?
34:54 <Ampera> yes
35:02 <T3sl4> yeah, sounds about right
35:16 <Ampera> I used to do performances in a theater in Albany, and when they took place on weekends, /nobody/ was there
35:45 <Ampera> Very few state employees live in Albany, because much of it is low income, and insanely run down
35:55 <Ampera> people live just about anywhere else
36:01 <T3sl4> the next closest analogy around here i was thinking is janesville, a ~50k pop city, between two majorer pop centers, near the state line, that used to be home to a huge GM plant, then got fucked and is kinda run down these days
36:35 <Ampera> A lot of fucking Albany had was in the 60's and such when the governor literally bulldozed half of the city center to construct buildings for the state
37:29 <T3sl4> albany has a bit more road structure around it so appleton seems more apt, give or take the marshes beside it, whereas it's kinda a straight shot between rockford/beloit/janesville/madison (capitol), and milwaukee (I-43) if you go thataway
37:46 <T3sl4> oshit you did theater? i didn't hear that before
37:57 <Ampera> I used to do ballet and perform in plays
38:09 <Ampera> I played in a local rendition of the nutcracker a couple times, years ago
38:33 <T3sl4> how many HSs have ballet?
38:39 <Ampera> I never went to highschool
38:40 <Ampera> or any school
38:44 <T3sl4> i don't honestly know, i didn't think that was a thing
38:46 <T3sl4> oh right
38:46 <Ampera> I was homeschooled my entire life
38:57 <Ampera> this was a dedicated school of dance
39:08 <Ampera> did a couple other style, modern, jazz, I forget what else
39:29 <Ampera> This was when I was 5-10, first thing I really did after moving here from Connecticut
39:50 <Ampera> I didn't want to pursue dance anymore, for quite dumb reasons, so ended up joining a drama club
39:53 <T3sl4> that's, heh different from performing the music, but still, doing some sensible kind of dance to that, that's pretty tight
40:11 <Ampera> don't look to hard into the genres, it was little kids who didn't know much
40:16 <T3sl4> a drama club, you mean #eevblog? (on which server i'll leave ambiguous) :P
40:30 <Ampera> No I mean one where we had a yearly play. I think I was there for 8 or 9 years
40:36 <Ampera> 8 sounds right
41:07 <Ampera> I kinda lucked out with my timing. I got my current job a month before COVID hit proper
41:17 <Ampera> they were kind enough to keep me on full time
42:44 <T3sl4> nice
43:19 <T3sl4> the only performance related thing i remember, and i barely remember it anymore from that long ago, was this local (KFAD? what does it stand for tho?) performance, of what i don't remember, and one particular scene i remember, a locally famous music teacher was telling me to "project" with my "diaphragm", so i did, and make a foghorn-like sound, which seemed to meet his technical definition of what i should be doing :D
43:49 <T3sl4> hmm, that was long enough ago that i was probably singing soprano in the church choir too
44:17 <Ampera> Projecting in theater means to talk with volume
44:40 <Ampera> Local venues often didn't have microphones, or if they did we never used them
44:52 <Ampera> they were usually small enough we could get by, but you still had to project
44:54 <T3sl4> the sound i made, i think was adequately loud, but with utter abandon for tonal quality, or anything else
45:11 <Ampera> which was hard when you have polite kids who didn't like making anything but a whisper
45:18 <T3sl4> i forget if there were mics at that show, i remember very little about it actually
47:52 <T3sl4> in choir though i have more memories, also it happens that dad was the choir director, mom did piano (or whatever else the electric piano did - general midi with a nice professional sound font), ken did the organ, and other staples that i can remember to varying degrees
48:42 <Ampera> My brother used to do choir, but I was never interested
49:38 <T3sl4> there, we had a mixer with uh, the four sections mic'd, maybe the piano too, and the organ was on its own system
50:21 <T3sl4> there were i think 2-5 singers per section typically, varying over the years, so we were encouraged to enunciate and project from time to time
51:08 <T3sl4> i suppose the closest i got to "acting" was the public speaking course that i took in college (ca 2008?), which was a good idea
52:40 <Ampera> I've never had problems with public speaking, but I've never done solitary public speaking
52:49 <Ampera> as in myself only to a large crowd
53:48 <T3sl4> heh, around the same time, uh, i think it was related to the same course actually, i attended a play twice accidentally
54:02 <T3sl4> or maybe it was a different course, i can't even remember anymore
54:14 <Ampera> you attended a play accidentally?
54:16 <Ampera> how does one do that
54:50 <T3sl4> if it was for the english class, it would've been the one-act Endgame (Beckett)
55:23 <T3sl4> i wasn't clear when we were supposed to watch it, so i bought a ticket the proceeding day or something, and took a few notes
55:24 <Ampera> My grandfather loved Beckett
55:55 <T3sl4> on the upside, i had a clear grasp of the subject on the offical outing, which isn't a bad idea as the material goes by rather quickly and it's easy to miss things
56:04 <T3sl4> so i didn't regret it, even if it was technically a misplay :P
00:39 <Ampera> In other news I got all the bits I need for my PDU, so once I get my IEC cables I can throw it all together
00:57 * T3sl4 PDAs Ampera
00:58 <Ampera> quite likely I'll have my server fully installed and operating by the end of the weekend
01:10 * Ampera shoves a newton down T3sl4's throat, and not the fig kind
01:52 <T3sl4> i've not practiced, and i'm pretty sure i could handle a single newton, with only modest amounts of gagging :P
02:04 <T3sl4> a whole apple though...
02:37 <T3sl4> https://frinkiac.com/caption/S06E08/190706
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02:41 <Ampera> Apparently Bill and Melinda Gates are getting a divorce
03:08 <Ampera> guess she finally decided to cash out
03:14 <T3sl4> hm, that's kinda holy shit
03:25 <T3sl4> but i also know very little about them personally
04:27 <Ampera> While it may make me a hypocrite for bringing it up in the first place, I don't really care about celebrities announcing their personal life's choices for the world to hear
05:01 <T3sl4> oh, i didn't even watch the latest john oliver ep as i figured it was redundant, but they have a recent clip of them which is, kind of sus in light of that announcement tbh
05:26 <Ampera> are you saying they're the imposters?
05:40 <T3sl4> >chrisdab >After watching him react to her denial of vaccine conspiracies on a John Oliver segment last night, I knew something was off. >Edit: link to video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPHgRp70H8o&t=580s
05:58 <T3sl4> well, billionaires don't get there without stabbing/shooting/eating a few crew
06:21 <Ampera> how many damn late night talk shows are there
06:24 <Ampera> I've never heard of this one
06:35 <T3sl4> >>The Bill Gates and Melinda Foundation >If her maiden name happens to be Foundation, then what a coincidence!
06:47 <T3sl4> it's a spinoff from when he was on daily show?
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07:12 <Ampera> I have no idea who he is
07:16 <Ampera> I don't watch TV whatsoever
08:12 <T3sl4> hm
08:25 <T3sl4> classic daily show is worthwhile tbh, and most? of it is online at comedycentral.com
08:49 <T3sl4> colbert report also a spinoff, and now he's hosting late night
09:05 <T3sl4> not that that means anything to you, either :)
09:10 <Ampera> I find all talk show personalities quite irritating
09:15 <Ampera> I do know who colbert is
09:16 <Ampera> sadly
09:47 <T3sl4> the interesting thing i guess about colbert is, he plays an irritating personality intentionally
10:16 <Ampera> I think years of Twitter has taught me that just because someone is dumb or irritating doesn't meant you need to give the guy a mike
10:34 <Ampera> but most people haven't gotten that memo
10:57 <Ampera> I never really watched much TV, even when I was younger. I was always on my computer far more often.
11:17 <Ampera> We have YouTube TV, so I could watch it if I wanted, but I never do it unless something specific I like is on
11:36 <Ampera> I was really at the tail end of family TV specials existing on TV that you'd actually want to turn the set on for, like Dick Clark's in NYC
12:09 <Ampera> I always enjoyed adult cartoons like Family Guy even when I was /very/ young, much to my parents' annoyance.
13:40 <Ampera> YouTube seems seriously intent on giving me long "mix" playlists whenever I ever so hint at thinking of listening to music
13:46 <T3sl4> i think i saw the last golden age of TV
13:47 <Ampera> my recommends are flooded with them
14:08 <T3sl4> i remember growing up with actual health/anatomy/educational shows on TLC and Discovery
14:14 <Ampera> Really, I was around for the late dawn of YouTube, unto its current mainstream ubiquity
14:32 <Ampera> haha, one of my favorite shows when I was really young was extreme makeover home edition
14:39 <Catsoesh> Hope everyone is having a good day, I would appreciate some help answering a quick question. My friend is driving some motors with l298n's and one of them "suddenly stopped working and then looked like this" and asked me if I knew what happened. I assume he overcurrented the chip but I've never seen a color shift happen like this before, any though
14:40 <Catsoesh> ts? -- https://imgur.com/a/lHnlXQ7
14:47 <Ampera> that and AFV
15:16 <Ampera> I miss AFV, it was a comedy clipshow before the concept of a clipshow was beaten, pissed on, and abused like a blowup doll
15:28 <T3sl4> which made for some awkward puberty-aged moments with my closest friend at the time, as you would expect (nothing salacious, if you were wondering :P ), and better knowledge than most public school students had i'm guessing
15:44 <T3sl4> Catsoesh: he melted the fucker
16:10 <Ampera> That is impressive
16:24 <Ampera> Is that tinned brass?
16:52 <Catsoesh> whatever the metal in standard multiwatt packages are
17:12 <Ampera> how should I know? I'm just the piano player
17:40 <T3sl4> tin plated copper, yes
17:57 <T3sl4> it gets hot enough to melt the tin plating, needless to say the silicon die inside is long since fucked
18:26 <Ampera> honestly at that point, I think it's bronze, not copper anymore
18:26 <Catsoesh> holy hell, I've burnt out chips but never that bad lol thank you guys
18:36 <Catsoesh> he claims there was no pop or smoke
19:07 <Ampera> I should get his number and hire him as QA where I work, if he is that good at breaking things in new and innovative ways
19:23 <Ampera> er, rather get him hired
19:39 <T3sl4> i've done that before, but on higher power devices https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Toasted_Transistors1.jpg
20:06 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Toasted_Transistors3.jpg that's what the inside looked like. arc flash at 300V digested the chip and encapsulation
20:29 <Ampera> that's how i like my toast
20:39 <Ampera> arc flash in the toaster, and no more
20:40 <T3sl4> oh yeah, you do don't you
20:59 <Ampera> I do actually, the way I like toast is really hard to do in a toaster
21:19 <T3sl4> i wonder if i could make a combination plasma torch and microwave heater that makes Ampera-perfect toast in 20 seconds
22:02 <Catsoesh> you think you could create an adjustable arc flash toaster and get a decent result? bread->toast almost at the speed of light
22:22 <T3sl4> "decent" for most people is golden brown and delicious, no
22:38 <T3sl4> i don't think i would make it, just because the market for blackened toast is very small
22:41 <Ampera> The way I like my toast is black, but not burnt on the outside
22:47 <Ampera> but, if possible, still brown on the inside
22:50 <T3sl4> i like Ampera but not enough to do that :P
23:51 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/532723859368181771/IMG_20190109_195340.jpg
23:52 <Catsoesh> Ampera you're the kind of person that torches their marshmallow in a smore too right?
23:54 <Ampera> That's a good example
24:03 <Ampera> I actually don't like smores, far too sweet for me
24:24 <T3sl4> can you actually tell the difference between that level of black, and char?
24:27 <Ampera> You can see the outside is perfectly black, but not actually combusted
24:45 <Ampera> Char is what happens when it actually catches fires, and it tastes like ash
25:07 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/532725318436257803/IMG_20190109_195953.jpg
25:18 <Ampera> you can see the inside better in this, where you still ahve the brown
25:40 <Ampera> toasters don't heat evenly enough for this, so you'll end up getting combustion before some areas are black
25:47 <Ampera> this was done on a frying pan on full whack
26:03 <Ampera> cast iron would probably be perfect for this
26:28 <Ampera> T3sl4, how's this https://youtube.com/watch?v=v84E3u315VE&list=OLAK5uy_mgFdhGWUxI4pUob1M8M8wm83jbQToayCI
26:28 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sha La La La La
26:29 <T3sl4> i suppose it fits that you like toast as black and bitter and firey as your soul
26:40 <Ampera> It's not that bitter actually
26:48 <Ampera> the way I do it, it's entirely a good kind of burnt
27:12 <T3sl4> kinda beatlesish?
27:22 <Ampera> I didn't get that at all
27:30 <Ampera> What it reminds me of is schoolhouse rock
27:38 <T3sl4> probably closer
28:00 <Ampera> https://youtu.be/rZMmPWTwTHc?t=18
28:01 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Schoolhouse Rock!: America - The Shot Heard 'Round the World
28:02 <Ampera> This one specifically
28:34 <T3sl4> how about uh, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88r_q7oufE or others by them mebbe
28:35 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Queens Of The Stone Age - No One Knows (Official Music Video)
28:40 <Catsoesh> my friend just let me know that he realized the holes the IC were plugged into on his breadboard are now melted lol
29:02 <T3sl4> Catsoesh: yeah, that'll happen
29:17 <T3sl4> i have a few 3-wide spots like that in my breadboard, none from a device that big tho
31:42 <Ampera> T3sl4, not bad, how about https://youtube.com/watch?v=hpE5HSjllsc&list=OLAK5uy_nZcHgI3Y_gbRfr_Zg1yBIt19H3RNwS78o
31:43 <eevBot> [Title] - Youtube: Misery Is a Butterfly
31:45 <Catsoesh> I'm enjoying the vibe of Heavy Young Heathens
31:57 <Ampera> Catsoesh, yeah, I've been listening to them for a couple days
32:13 <Ampera> I funnily enough heard that song I linked in Saints Row 3, turns out that group specifically writes for TV shows, movies, and one video game
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41:53 <Ampera> That one I just linked is one of my favorite songs, and favorite groups
43:32 <Ampera> I actually use that song for vocal training. I'm capable of hitting the same notes the main singer does, and to my ear, I sound somewhat similar
46:37 <T3sl4> the soprano?
47:01 <Ampera> I have no clue, I'm not vocally trained at all
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47:11 <Ampera> I use it to get my voice higher, for somewhat obvious reasons
47:25 <T3sl4> it's pretty high for a male voice, but if you're doing it an octave down i can see that
47:34 <T3sl4> ...or the E has really been doing its work
47:37 <Ampera> No, by my ear I'm matching it
47:46 <Ampera> I have an incredibly strong falsetto
47:56 <Ampera> like Frankie Valli strong
48:08 <T3sl4> nice
48:31 <Ampera> I used to sing to Four Seasons quite a bit, but I've stopped doing it, as that can get a bit loud and irritating as I imagine
49:00 <Ampera> Estrogen also, sadly, has not effect on my voice, unlike testosterone
49:21 <Ampera> The voice I have is the voice I have, there really aren't even surgeries to help me in that department. That doesn't mean I can't try to bend it to my will
51:28 <T3sl4> given how little speech/singing i've done in the last year, my range is rather limited, you definitely gain some with practice
51:45 <T3sl4> even so, i don't think i can hit much above a... somewhere above C4, maybe E or F? not sure
51:47 <Ampera> For me, the key difficulty is not range, it's matching the tone
52:08 <Ampera> I have no idea which notes I sing, the best I can do is match them
52:08 <T3sl4> yeah voice is a rich medium, notes are just the first part
52:32 <Ampera> For some reason, I think because her voice is a bit squeaky already, I seem to match this singer somewhat well
53:04 <Ampera> Getting it to sound natural, and more significantly, effortless, is insanely hard, but I try again and again from time to time
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56:52 <T3sl4> oh what the fuck, windows mixer and realtek mixer are two separate things
56:56 <T3sl4> no wonder i was getting echo on line in
57:48 <Ampera> I am so glad I don't have to deal with the nightmare that is windows audio mixing
57:57 <Ampera> linux audio might be a pain to get going, but once you do, it's awesome
58:14 <Ampera> the JACK patch system means anything you can think of, pretty much, you can do
11:48 <T3sl4> i mean, that sounds like the same problem, really :P
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36:09 <hierbabuena> hello guys, I read on the forum that blueskull was permanently banned and most of his posts deleted. What triggered that kind of response?
37:59 <T3sl4> Halcyon ^
39:18 <T3sl4> hierbabuena: his excessive pro-ccp stance has been an issue many times, far more often than should've been tolerated
39:31 <T3sl4> i didn't see the blow up but apparently he finally took one step too far... or three
41:33 <hierbabuena> Wow, I wonder what could have been.
44:07 <hierbabuena> I saw one post of him one day where he declared that he wanted to dedicate his life to inflict as much pain as possible to the west.
44:46 <rust_collector> Not that I have anything to do with it, but I think it was just that it happened too many times. I guess they have to draw a line at some point
46:47 <rust_collector> damnit, I can not sleep tonight, and I ended up putting different colour leds in some shitty plastic bears I found in the bin
47:14 <hierbabuena> Me neither, thankfully. But that was unexpected. He must have really pissed off the mods very hard this time.
47:27 <rust_collector> they actually look pretty nice. I almost want to find some colour changing leds now
48:15 <rust_collector> I am not sure it was that he did anything special this time, but if it was the 64th time...
48:28 <rust_collector> But yes, I don't know
50:05 <T3sl4> it sounds like it was much worse this time, but yes, he's a repeat offender
53:45 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/W6L22sb they look sort of like pigs, not bears
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54:54 <hierbabuena> pigs don't have round ears
55:43 <rust_collector> well, I am pretty sure it is not a mouse, lol
57:43 <T3sl4> koala maybe
58:04 <rust_collector> koalapig. that is a deal
58:45 <T3sl4> or as al gore would call it, manpigkoala
59:25 <rust_collector> hmm, I had forgot him. what clever thing is he doing these days?
01:01 <T3sl4> nothing, but i don't think that's any different from any other point in his life?
01:13 <rust_collector> hah
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14:32 <rust_collector> now I want to put colour changing leds in al gore. that would be interesting
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33:33 <T3sl4> you'll need an https://imgur.com/t/politics/PXuaX0R to do that
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04:11 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
06:46 <Lemon> hi peeps
37:35 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon, hey guys
38:12 <alfbaz> hey guys
38:22 <Halcyon> Hey alfbaz
38:29 <alfbaz> hows this
39:22 <alfbaz> was testing my atx psu by placing on load, scoping the voltage and recording voltage
39:24 <Lemon> hey guys
40:02 <alfbaz> 12V is supposed to be good to 62A
40:20 <alfbaz> but at 10 the p-p ripple was 5V!!
40:44 <alfbaz> so like 18V pk
41:24 <alfbaz> looked at the atx specs and it suggests placing a 0.1uf disk ceramic and 10uF electrolitic
41:56 <alfbaz> I obliged and stuck them in, ripple is now below their stated max's
42:49 <alfbaz> seems like a weird setup to me, with the amount of caps in there already why not ad them anyway?
43:49 <alfbaz> ... anyway I'll shut up now :P
44:19 <Ysjoelfir> did you have a load on 3.3 and 5V as well?
46:22 <Halcyon> What brand PSU is it?
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47:34 <alfbaz> no load on the 3.3, its a deep cool 750W
47:56 <alfbaz> I did load the 3.3V seperate and it did the same
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49:39 <alfbaz> Ysjoelflir , actually no load on anything except the rail I was testing
50:10 <Ysjoelfir_> you should never load an ATX PSU unsymmetrically, as their regulation sometimes depends on one single lane
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51:13 <Chad955> Bonjour la communauté
51:20 <Ysjoelfir_> so if you load 12V only you could end up loading an unregulated rail, which would result in all sorts of mishaps. (fuck you, stupid internet service provider, disconnecting me again when I was just watching an auction end, which I missed...!)
51:21 <alfbaz> I've been bitten by the no load thing before on a PWM suply for a sig gen, found and replaced some busted components and still no output until someone on the forum sugested I load it and bingo it worjed
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55:53 <alfbaz> Thanks for that info, unfortunately I only have the one electronic load
57:28 <Ysjoelfir> do you have resistors?
58:06 <alfbaz> Yes, can the loads on the other rails be smaller?
58:12 <Ysjoelfir> sure
59:16 <alfbaz> In actual fact that might explain the voltage drop well before the rated current. I have pulled an old one apart and see that each rail comes off the same point on the pcb
12:43 <Halcyon> T3sl4:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Ro21afFhM
14:34 <Lemon> hmmm im trying to measure the vref of that 24bit adc board, but the chip is so tiny that im afraid to short the pins
14:45 <Lemon> ground and vref in are next to each others
14:49 <Lemon> so I cant use tape or whatever
15:07 <Halcyon> Can you solder leads to it?
20:22 <alfbaz> also do you have the schematic or good eyes? you may have better access elsewhere
26:52 <alfbaz> Fuck I'm a fat cunt. Dropped the 0.1u disc cap, looking everywhere on the floor, the fucker was stuck in my gut roll :P
29:20 <Lemon> I dont have schematics sadly
29:39 <Lemon> its weird because I managed to measure the vref (not at the adc input tho) its 4.801V and some
29:51 <Lemon> but when I change the 5V value in the code for that, theres still an offset
29:59 <Lemon> but 4.8V sounds low anyway
30:46 <Lemon> but vref value shouldnt change when going to the adc anyway no ?
31:31 <Halcyon> ROFL alfbaz
31:45 <Halcyon> I guess it's important you can laugh about it
31:54 <Lemon> also, maybe thats because this little board is loading the thing im measuring, which is a battery
32:04 <Halcyon> That has got to be the quote of the week
32:38 <Ysjoelfir> we should add a Quote of the Week in the channels topic
32:52 <Halcyon> Maybe as a feature to the bot?
32:59 <Halcyon> QOTD command?
33:18 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead! Feature Request!
33:26 <Halcyon> Or maybe start a thread on the forum?
33:44 <Ysjoelfir> you just want to get more people to join :P
33:50 <Halcyon> Yes and no
33:56 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
33:59 <Halcyon> Whilst popular is good, I enjoy our little group of regulars
34:12 <Halcyon> Except Ampera, he's a cunt. :P
34:14 <Ysjoelfir> I enjoy your company as well :)
34:18 <Ysjoelfir> lol
34:29 <Lemon> question, with my dmm, do I risk anything by measuring the resistance of the two inputs of that adc board ?
34:40 <Halcyon> (Love you Ampera)
34:45 <Ysjoelfir> no*
34:46 <Lemon> I read somewhere that care is needed with those kind of things, to no overload them or whatever
35:03 <Halcyon> What's the asterisk for Ysjoelfir ?
35:12 <Ysjoelfir> for Lemon 's question
35:18 <Lemon> ok ! thanks bud
35:26 <Lemon> I think its due to low resistance, we will see
36:03 <Halcyon> I'm considering moving to a time-of-use tariff on my electricity instead of a flat rate.
36:23 <Lemon> hmmm 1.150M
36:23 <Ysjoelfir> the asterisk is the same reason as he wrote - you can overload very sensitive ADCs with a multimeter, but it shouldn't kill it
36:25 <Halcyon> Re-charge the battery at night when it's cheap (and runs out of charge) ready for the morning shoulder/peak period.
36:26 <Lemon> thats not super low
36:42 <Lemon> maybe enough to drop a few mv from a battery ?
37:14 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, its so nice to see that you guys have so many possibilities with electricity :D
37:24 <Halcyon> I just wish we didn't pay so much
37:42 <Halcyon> My flat rate tariff at the moment is about 23c/kWh (Australian Dollars)
38:01 <Ysjoelfir> We have.... well.... we can get an electricity tariff. and we can choose if we want to pay more to support renewable energy, which is paid by my taxes anyway
38:17 <Ysjoelfir> eevBot calculate 0.23AU$ to €
38:18 <eevBot> Ysjoelfir: nega-tory, ghost rider!
38:21 <Halcyon> Oh yeh we have "green energy". What a load of shit, I'm not paying more for that!
38:24 <Ysjoelfir> electrohead, heature request!
38:31 <Halcyon> Hahaha
38:48 <Halcyon> .15 euro
38:48 <Ysjoelfir> uuuuh
38:52 <alfbaz> Halcyon +1 on the rates, I've seriously considered a couple of dodgy power points :p
39:08 <Halcyon> alfbaz, la la la la la, I am not listening :P
39:08 <Ysjoelfir> wooooow. thats sooooooooooooooooooooo expensiiiiiiiiiiiiiiive~ *rolls eyes* :P
40:29 <alfbaz> while you're not listening, the plan was quite convoluted with conactors turning it of should cb's be turned off :P
40:41 <Halcyon> I think the off-peak tariff is something like 14.6c/kWh
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41:31 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon, I pay 30.31 cents per kwh. that would be (i assume) half an aussie buck per kilowatthour
41:44 <Halcyon> So I could let the battery fully charge during the day (when it's sunny) that'll get me through to about midnight (if I don't use the oven/air conditioning), then do a second charge early morning to cover me until the PV starts producing again which will feed back into the grid at 9.5c/kWh and keep the battery topped up
41:52 <Halcyon> (Plus run any appliances I have on during the day)
42:09 <Halcyon> Holy fucking shit. I thought our energy was expensive!
42:25 <Ysjoelfir> germany has the highest energy prices in the world afaik
42:37 <Halcyon> Why!?
42:52 <alfbaz> yeah why?
43:29 <Halcyon> At the moment as we are getting into winter, I can produce about 6.5 kW peak
43:39 <alfbaz> I thought Germany had heaps of green power generation
43:41 <Halcyon> Summer will be much better obviously
43:53 <Halcyon> Fuck "green" power, bring on nuclear!
44:17 <alfbaz> I couldn't agree more Halcyon
44:21 <Ysjoelfir> because we have stupid shit like the renewable energy law, forcing people that PRODUCE and backfeed energy to the grid to PAY FOR PRODUCING IT. Oh, and our politicians decided a few years ago that atomic energy is shit and we have to quit using that N O W. Like, instantly. which saaadly forced the big energy companies to sue germany for lost revenue which has to be paid by the taxpayer, in addition to them rising the prices even more.
44:35 <Halcyon> Wait, WHAT Ysjoelfir ?!
44:40 <Halcyon> Are you fucking joking?
44:44 <Ysjoelfir> nope
45:03 <Halcyon> I thought I was getting a raw deal by being PAID 9.5c/kWh I generate back into the grid
45:10 <Halcyon> They just lowered it from 12.5c
45:17 <Halcyon> Years ago it used to be much higher
45:39 <alfbaz> Years ago it was subsidised wasn't it?
45:59 <Halcyon> Well it used to be 22c and I think even up in the 50's or 60's when solar just started out?
46:08 <Ysjoelfir> well, you get paid, but you have to also pay taxes for the energy you feed back. the best thing you can come up with is roughly +- 0 afaik
46:08 <Halcyon> I remember my parents always had a credit on their bill
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46:28 <Lemon> im really lost with that thing, I cant find how to apply an offset, calibrate/adjust it or whatever
47:26 <alfbaz> Did the ever put that tarrif the power companies wanted for solar users to pay for infrastructure since they weren't effectively paying for it
51:03 <Ysjoelfir> so, let me elaborate halcyon. for my energy I pay: 6.18 cents for the power company (21%). 7.27 cents "power grid usage fee" (24.7%), 1.66 cents (5.6%) concession levy, 0.76 cents (2.6%) offshore tax, 6.79 cents (23.1%) renewable energy tax, 5.7 cents (19%) sales tax, 2.05 cents (7%) power tax. so roughly 55% is just taxes of some sort, 25% is for the people providing the power grid infrastructure (usually the states, so can be counted as
51:04 <Ysjoelfir> kind of a tax through the backdoor) and 21% for the people "making" the energt.
51:35 <Halcyon> Ah see, they break down all that extra stuff seperately.
51:45 <Halcyon> The daily supply charge for me will be like 75c/day
53:02 <Halcyon> And GST is 10%
55:43 <Ysjoelfir> gst will be rising here probably
00:41 <Halcyon> I used 22.8 kWh so far today :(
00:43 <Halcyon> Stupid rain
00:49 <Halcyon> Generated fuck all
01:07 <Ysjoelfir> lol
01:16 <Ysjoelfir> I used.... probably 1200kwh
01:29 <Ysjoelfir> oh today
01:37 <Halcyon> Yes, just today
01:44 <Ysjoelfir> i don;t know about today, i was refering to since 1/1/2021
01:47 <Halcyon> Solar only generated 2.8 kWh
01:56 <Halcyon> It's been cloudy and rain all day
03:02 <Lemon> so datasheet says the vref is supposed to be 2.5v +- 0.1%
03:17 <Lemon> but when I measure output of it I get 4.8V
03:33 <Lemon> I dont get it
05:28 <steve30> hi
06:26 <Halcyon> Hey steve30
07:19 <steve30> I really need to get my beer bottled today
08:21 <Halcyon> You make your own beer?
08:27 <Halcyon> I didn't even know you drank the stuff!
08:29 <steve30> yes
29:08 <Ysjoelfir> steve30 https://drive.google.com/file/d/11b73KZrk22WeRfvN54aRQmxatHCS4pLb/view?usp=sharing
29:09 <eevBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
29:34 <Lemon> time to put the gtx 1080 on ebay
29:38 <Lemon> it was quite a nice card
29:43 <Lemon> it still is I think
30:39 <steve30> aww, cosy :)
33:45 <Ysjoelfir> works as a hat as well! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1k1qD8u6DMgAVyv78PYQ1L03B0QRtVYBi/view?usp=sharing
33:46 <eevBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
34:06 <steve30> hehe
34:31 <Halcyon> Very cute, except the cat
35:40 <Halcyon> steve30, I see Dave liked your leaflet
35:50 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
35:57 <Ysjoelfir> which leaflet have I missed?
36:37 <steve30> Here's part 1 of this weekends Kill the Bill
36:38 <steve30> https://odysee.com/@steve30:3/kill_the_bill_sheffield_may_2021:e
36:39 <eevBot> [Title] - Part 1: Sheffield Kill the Bill & International Workers Day - 1st May 2021
36:44 <steve30> In HD
37:40 <steve30> Ysjoelfir, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/dodgy-technology/funny-anti-5g-leaflet/
37:42 <eevBot> [Title] - Funny Anti 5G Leaflet - Page 1
39:34 <Halcyon> So they can regulate the time, duration, noise and disturbance protests cause?
39:38 <Halcyon> I don't see the problem
41:15 <Ysjoelfir> omfg, thats hilarious
41:44 <steve30> Halcyon, of course you don't. It will give you more people to arrest if they pass the bill :)
41:55 <Halcyon> Not that at all
42:25 <Halcyon> Imagine you as a member of the public is disadvantaged by protests you give no fucks about? Why should YOU be subject to someone else's rantings?
42:31 <Halcyon> 0600 in the morning, past your house?
42:49 <Halcyon> Or traffic is blocked so you can't get to work
42:51 <Halcyon> Etc...
42:59 <steve30> Then they'd probably already get done for breach of the peace or similar
43:09 <Halcyon> Good and so they should
43:34 <Halcyon> OR, their protests can be approved and go ahead with clearly defined rules
44:01 <Halcyon> That way, everyone knows what they can and can't do
44:06 <Halcyon> Not just a free-for-all
44:28 <Halcyon> I honestly have no issues with those laws. They've worked well for many years here
45:47 <Halcyon> People have the right to protest and to free-speech, but they don't have the right to disrupt the lives of the community.
45:52 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
45:56 <Halcyon> Herro Ampera
47:01 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
47:05 <Halcyon> Tired
47:10 <Halcyon> How are you dearest?
47:15 <Ampera> tired
47:22 <eevBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Getting there https://t.co/ESzmbEScZk
47:23 <Halcyon> Twins
47:46 <Halcyon> Dave did a video with Fran?
48:42 <Ysjoelfir> looks like it
54:29 <Halcyon> I think one of my smoke detectors is buggered. It keeps making intermittent hissing sounds like white noise
54:43 <Halcyon> I also suspect it's the one causing random "low battery" alarms
58:05 <Lemon> its so dumb, im trying to put my gpu on ebay, but it tells me "error, you need to select a paiement way blabla" but I simply cant select any
00:31 <Halcyon> Because you haven't added any to your account?
01:03 * Halcyon throws an Adlib Gold at Ampera
01:21 * Ysjoelfir grabs it mid-flight and puts it to his collection
01:22 <Lemon> but I dont get it, when I go to my account etc I have my paypal and credit card
01:27 <Lemon> it should let me use paypal no ?
01:41 <Halcyon> I think they deposit direct to your bank account now
01:45 <Halcyon> They are ditching paypal
03:15 <Halcyon> This is what I got today: https://sellercentre.ebay.com.au/c2c_payments-onboarding
03:17 <eevBot> [Title] - Updating Payment Details for Individual Sellers | Seller Centre
03:18 <Ampera> don't you mean direct withdrawal?
03:18 <Halcyon> Not sure if it's AU only
03:58 <Halcyon> No for selling things
04:04 <Ampera> I'm wary of giving anyone my direct deposit details enough to withdraw money
04:21 <Halcyon> Lemon is selling his GPU
04:29 <Ampera> smart fruit
05:00 <Halcyon> But I also have a totally seperate bank account for ebay/paypal type things
05:03 <Lemon> I dont get why paypal isnt appearing
05:11 <Halcyon> It doesn't touch my normal everyday banking accounts at all
05:17 <Ampera> I use my credit card primarily, as I get money for doing so
05:28 <Halcyon> But for receiving money?
05:32 <Ampera> I use paypal on occasion, but also use it for my credit card
05:42 <Ampera> Paypal is the easiest way to receive money
05:50 <Halcyon> Paypal can get fucked
06:01 <Ampera> ebay can probably use clearinghouses just like paypal, but it's not that big of a difference
06:10 <Lemon> never had a single issue with paypal
06:22 <Lemon> and they resolve them quite quickly anyway
06:23 <Halcyon> I have, their customer service is non-existant
06:32 <Ampera> They've been alright. I still stick to my credit card, as it's among the safest ways to pay
06:36 <Halcyon> I prefer to deal direct with the banks
07:03 <Halcyon> Sending money within Australia is instant and costs nothing, even between different banks
07:06 <Halcyon> So why the hell not
07:14 <Ampera> Giving out bank and routing info is risky, since it'
07:20 <Ampera> s a lot harder to cancel a bank account than a credit card
07:40 <Halcyon> Don't type it anywhere dodgy?
07:49 <Halcyon> Plus it can be reversed just as easily and blocked.
07:59 <Ampera> If you notice it in time
08:12 <Halcyon> Usually here you have 2FA before money leaves your account
08:14 <Ampera> with credit cards, you'll notice it when you go to pay it
08:17 <Ampera> Nope
08:18 <Halcyon> So if you didn't ask for it, you know about it
08:44 <Halcyon> For me to approve a transaction, I either have to approve it via the banking app, or via SMS
09:18 <Ampera> I just have to approve it, then the concerned party can write sort of a reverse check to take the money out of my account
09:50 <Ampera> The main protection is that if you do it without being supposed to, you will go to prison for a million years
09:55 <Halcyon> We don't use cheques here
10:01 <Ampera> and it's the sort of thing where they will find you, and will break your legs
10:11 <Ampera> we have no other real method of transferring banking funds
10:12 <Halcyon> Eh why have the hassle, just avoid it to begin with
10:20 <Halcyon> Authenticate the user properly.
10:35 <Ampera> then you break all the services that rely on checking working the way it does
11:02 <Ampera> There are protections and federal insurances, which is why it's still here
11:10 <Halcyon> The 1980's called Ampera, they want their chequebook back :P
11:19 <Ampera> Paypal simplifies it by removing the paper from the checks
11:22 <Lemon> alright it works
11:29 <Lemon> cheques are atrocious
11:30 <Ampera> but paypal still operates through automated clearinghouse systems
11:31 <Halcyon> Yes, but you pay for it
11:35 <Lemon> dont get me started on that xd
11:36 <Ampera> no?
11:42 <Ampera> between two individuals, transactions are free
11:44 <Halcyon> Of course you do, fees
11:47 <Ampera> nope
12:04 <Ampera> they only really charge transaction fees for commerce
12:04 <Lemon> 95% of frenchies are afraid of paypal for weird reasons (mostly because they want to avoid fees by sending money to a friend, and get fucked)
12:07 <Lemon> so they all ask cheques
12:08 <Ampera> for person to person, it's usually free
12:14 <Halcyon> And when you go to transfer the money to a real bank account?
12:18 <Halcyon> Paypal take no cut?
12:20 <Ampera> nope
12:36 <Ampera> not even if you transfer through the mastercard or visa systems, in which case those companies take their cut
12:41 <Halcyon> I guess that's the closest thing you guys have to our banking system then
12:44 <Ampera> but if you take it through clearinghouse, you'll get it for free
12:49 <Lemon> alright card online
12:58 <Ampera> the reason it's free is because it is literally a check
13:03 <Halcyon> Paypal is insignificant here
13:04 <Ampera> the only difference is there is no paper
13:17 <Ampera> Paypal is /the/ way people send money to each other these days, besides crypto
13:23 <Halcyon> Which is why ebay are ditching it
13:24 <Ampera> my family uses it all the time to settle bills
13:29 <Halcyon> It serves no purpose
13:49 <Ampera> It primarily serves the purpose of exposing the otherwise impossible to use clearinghouse systems to the public, without the use of paper checks
14:28 <Halcyon> Sure, but in contrast, even without my bank details, you can send funds to my phone number or email address through almost any bank in the country. It's instant and costs nothing.
14:34 <Ampera> The only other free way to send money to someone is through withdrawal/deposit of cash
14:51 <Ampera> We don't have systems like that, and clearinghouses are not instant
15:05 <Ampera> depending on institution it can be either next/same day, or a few days in worst cases
15:19 <Halcyon> That was the old way of doing it here (which is still supported)
15:41 <Ampera> Why we don't have a more modern system, I don't know. Maybe there's no real demand for it
15:42 <Halcyon> It invoves account and routing information though
16:06 <Ampera> I think the only way you can send someone money based on rough information alone is through Western Union
16:10 <Ampera> for which you pay insane fees
16:35 <Halcyon> They have those here but they are mostly only used by people to send (expensive) money in different currancies, or by scammers.
16:45 <Halcyon> I have never ever, needed to use such a service
17:07 <Ampera> We've needed it once or twice, in emergencies when a certain family member managed to strand themselves in India
17:32 <Ysjoelfir> you could always use Coinsquirt for that!
17:40 <Lemon> guys, its all good
17:44 * Ysjoelfir hides again in his hole
17:44 <Lemon> all I want to say, is
17:44 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, I think I'd rather be trapped in India
17:47 <Halcyon> We just use SWIFT codes with our banks. Money gets transferred at the current exchange rate, although there is a set fee for doing so.
17:48 <Lemon> pls buy my card
17:50 <Lemon> plox
18:27 <Ampera> While it's a smart move to sell your GPU now, it's a terrible idea to actually buy one
18:36 <Halcyon> I think he has one?
18:54 <Halcyon> Lemon did you put crypto/bitcoin++++11111oneone in the title so morons can find it?
19:05 <Lemon> I bought an hd 7970 to replace it lol
19:06 <Ampera> nobody wants a 1080 for mining
19:11 <Lemon> heehhh
19:12 <Halcyon> Shhhh Ampera
19:14 <Halcyon> Idiots do :P
19:15 <Lemon> Crypto/Gaming blabla yeah
19:50 <Lemon> same card as me without box sold up to 550 euros, ive set mine at 490 with low offers to 450
19:54 <Lemon> I think it has a chance to sell
20:09 <Lemon> when you see that some gtx 780 sell for 200 euros
20:14 <Halcyon> I think I have one kicking around somewhere here
20:14 <Lemon> shit is crazy
20:18 <Ampera> over 600 bucks for a 1080
20:20 <Halcyon> Maybe I should sell it
20:23 <Ampera> a future so bright you gotta wear shades
20:28 <Lemon> yeah
20:36 <Lemon> I mean its not my style to play the flipping game
20:42 <Lemon> but im not using that card at all
20:46 <Lemon> and I need money for test gear
20:49 <Ampera> I'm holding onto my 1660Ti like it's a gold plated turd
20:53 <Lemon> its too good of an opportunity to miss it
21:00 <Halcyon> https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/194019514169?hash=item2d2c76d739:g:Qz0AAOSwSGtgbAiY&frcectupt=true
21:01 <eevBot> [Title] - Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1080ti Founders Edition  | eBay
21:04 <Lemon> I paid 80 euros for the 7970 delivered
21:31 <Ampera> I do have a 580 Classified, but it's such a cool card, I don't ever want to really get rid of it
21:45 <Halcyon> Ampera, like the Voodoo's... hang onto those
21:58 <Ampera> well that goes without saying
22:07 <Lemon> ho yes I have 3 laying around
22:18 <Lemon> I remember my father trying a tri-sli a few years ago, for fun
22:27 <Halcyon> How?
22:33 <Halcyon> They only had one port
22:47 <Ampera> the 580's had 3-way SLI support
22:51 <Ampera> I think even up to 4 way
22:59 <Halcyon> You'd love a 4-way Ampera
23:12 <Lemon> you can make a sli of voodoos
23:13 <Halcyon> Feel free to donate anything you don't want this way Lemon :P
23:14 <Ampera> depends on who
23:15 <Lemon> well idk if its called a sli
23:20 <Ampera> it is SLI
23:28 <Halcyon> Lemon yes, for the Voodoo cards it's SLI but it was only 2
23:29 <Lemon> ho man, its a relic :P behind a glass cabinet !
23:54 <Ampera> Halcyon, in practice, but there are examples of 3dfx SLI with more than one GPU
23:58 <Lemon> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/6LN0NodWsvZdORuYfRf-JhoRXuUYPKARo0pVHnwM9tRCBvBqCuekfjHY6eVEvPcCd7ZMNydCIl_VZVGM9hjN63wayvLnBc3odm_m1eU
24:22 <Halcyon> OK, without some custom hardware I should add
24:35 <Lemon> ha yeah
24:37 <Lemon> ho well
24:47 <Halcyon> SLI was only designed for dual channel operation
24:49 <Ampera> Lemon, yeah I think they had a 16 way SLI setup like that
24:58 <Ampera> Halcyon, I'm fairly sure it wasn't
25:14 <Halcyon> Dual channel, up to 4-way
25:18 <Lemon> nah im fairly sure you can do 3/4 way sli
25:33 <Halcyon> Anything after that, you were on your own
26:02 <Halcyon> No idea if they still call it "SLI" with modern cards
26:05 <Ampera> Lemon, only officially supported with nvidia
26:09 <Halcyon> I guess they probably do?
26:14 <Ampera> They do, though the only modern GPU that can do it is the 3090
26:18 <Lemon> yeah still sli but they dropping it
26:20 <Ampera> and it's almost completely useless
26:33 <Ampera> nvidia has nvlink, but that's a completely different concept, and not compatible with SLI at all
26:36 <Halcyon> With the PCIex bus, I don't see the point
26:38 <Ampera> nvlink is more akin to PCIe in a way
26:38 <Lemon> and yeah the sli era is long gone
26:43 <Lemon> besides benchs
27:05 <Halcyon> Ah crap, it's bed time.
27:33 <Halcyon> Night guys
27:39 <Ysjoelfir> How would K say? Nein! Verboten!
27:55 <Ampera> night
27:57 <Halcyon> Achtung?
29:00 <Lemon> see you !
29:45 <Lemon> https://fr.ietlabs.com/genrad-1408-series-standard-capacitors.html
29:47 <eevBot> [Title] - Condensateurs standard série GenRad / General Radio 1408 -IET Labs
29:58 <Lemon> do you think thats enough to calibrate my lcr meter ebay kit ?
30:19 <Ampera> 0.00$?
30:24 <Ampera> I should ask for a few million...
30:28 <Ampera> I wonder if they'd give me a bulk discount
31:20 <Lemon> heh who knows !
31:31 <Lemon> man I really cant wait to order that lcr meter
31:39 <Lemon> im missing a good one
32:19 <Lemon> ho and I found this thingie http://www.ohm-labs.com/resistance-standards/100-0-standard.html
32:20 <eevBot> [Title] - Low Resistance Standards - 100-0 Ohm Standard | Ohm-Labs, Inc.
32:22 <Lemon> quite interesting
41:10 <Lemon> already a message for the card
41:16 <Lemon> asking me if it was reballed, respasted etc
41:18 <Lemon> repasted
41:57 <Ysjoelfir> and you answered: WTF man I just want to sell this shit?
42:32 <Lemon> yeah I said "never reballed but I did shit inside, doesn't affect performance tho"
42:54 <Lemon> nah I said that its never been tampered with, and it doesnt need a repaste
43:01 <Lemon> which is true, I won't repaste a card that isnt overheating
43:22 <Lemon> actually I did ?
43:24 <Lemon> shit I forgot
46:27 <Lemon> now I have a doubt, maybe I repasted it when I bought it ?
47:21 <Ysjoelfir> who would care about that anyway?
47:39 <Lemon> well this guy it seems
47:59 <Lemon> and you know, I also care, because what if the guy that repasted it doesnt know what hes doing ?
48:03 <Lemon> I prefer stock things
49:40 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir you know about zero-ohm tetrajunction boxes ?
49:58 <Lemon> its quite a nice thing, and if you have some nice coper plates you can probably build one
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25:18 * electrohead yawns and waves
38:12 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
38:13 <Ampera> how are you doing
38:34 <electrohead> busy, lol
38:38 <electrohead> I'll be back then ~
38:47 <Ampera> er, ciao?
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