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00:10 <rust_collector> nice
03:09 * hsn jumpering
03:29 <rust_collector> boing boing boing boing
03:49 <hsn> Appearantly its a word
04:50 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir I think I have to make a tumbler thing, sort of like your grinder-bucket. I should try to clean up some old junk, and plate it with something
07:46 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, I wanted to build a tumbler some day. it should be pretty streightforward. motor, bucket, some bearings, done
08:28 <rust_collector> yeah, not a huge project.
09:35 <rust_collector> I am thinking wiper motor and some rollers. then just a pipe with some nubs inside, to move things a bit, acrew on plugs at the ends
10:20 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, pretty much that
10:37 <rust_collector> I think some nuts and a handful of blasting sand woudl do
11:19 <Ysjoelfir> I was surprised how nice the finish of the wood screws was. well, it was pretty agressive, but the finish was like... I think pretty close to sandblasting
11:34 <rust_collector> yeah, it should be close
23:41 <rust_collector> hmm, that is interesting. one cell in this 9v battery is at 0.14v, and the rest are at 1.23
24:05 <rust_collector> I am not sure why I felt I had to measure that, but...
24:44 <Ysjoelfir> because you wanted to know if it is realy dead and why :D
25:55 <rust_collector> it is dated to september this year, so it is not exactly new.
30:28 <rust_collector> ok, there is a little nickel strip. now, to find a small jar.... I should be able to plate a little screw or something.
31:51 * electrohead yawns
35:20 Quit: arch ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
38:50 * Ampera hugs electrohead 
38:52 <Ampera> how are you doing
39:07 * electrohead counter hugs
39:11 <electrohead> tired, you?
39:18 <Ampera> mildly annoyed
39:26 <Ampera> terminating CAT6, and my connectors suck dick
41:56 <rust_collector> I think nickel and pizza sauce plating will be the next big thing.
42:36 <Ampera> designing a gun for the italians?
43:02 <rust_collector> that is an idea
43:53 <electrohead> lol
49:19 <Lemon> hello, anyone saw my digits ? specifically the one after the coma
49:29 <Lemon> ones
49:47 <rust_collector> no, you are still sleeping.
49:48 * Ysjoelfir falls into a coma
50:10 <Lemon> :O
50:19 <Lemon> I just went out of a little one, almost 4 hours
50:26 <Lemon> more like 3h30 in fact
50:39 <Ysjoelfir> cool
50:44 <Ysjoelfir> I tried to sleep this night
50:47 <Ysjoelfir> didn't realy work
51:24 <Lemon> again ??
51:33 <Ysjoelfir> yup
51:41 <Lemon> but you napped a bit at least ?
52:04 <Ysjoelfir> 20 minutes, roughly 3 times this day, plus several times falling asleep just sitting at the PC
52:50 <Lemon> ho shit ! but is it deprivation or insomnia ?
52:59 <rust_collector> anything less than 2 hours or so does not cause you to go into a proper coma, it seems.
53:21 <Lemon> yeah I need at least 3-4h
53:38 <Lemon> but im always tired
53:41 <Lemon> so that doesnt count
53:49 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
53:58 <Lemon> froiuchhhhh
54:37 <Ampera> how are you Lemon
54:47 <rust_collector> squishy
55:07 <Lemon> yes, but besides that im alright, third day without cigarettes !
55:18 <Lemon> and anything else, but that was long gone
55:50 <rust_collector> for me, the 4th day is the worst
56:33 <Lemon> shit
56:43 <Lemon> nah tbh im not even thinking about it, im quite impressed
56:55 <rust_collector> right
57:02 <rust_collector> well. that is good
57:23 <Lemon> yeah im super happy
57:57 <rust_collector> hmm, this is current limiting, lol.
59:30 <rust_collector> 5 watt pizza sauce with vinegar
00:49 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds tasty
00:58 <Lemon> is it direct vinegar ?
01:06 <rust_collector> yes
01:12 <Lemon> good
02:47 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, in your pile of stuff you want to sell one day, do you happen to have a HV dmm probe ? :>
02:56 <Ysjoelfir> no
03:34 <rust_collector> Lemon just use a normal one, but hold it further from the conductor
04:10 <rust_collector> if it goes over 1000v at more than 40cm distance, you don't need a hv probe
06:09 <Lemon> lol superb rusty !
06:17 <rust_collector> and cheap
06:19 <Lemon> ok np Ysjoelfir, I will look around :>
16:02 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir do you think he can use these? https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=210203919
16:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Special trekker for elektriker. Høyspent | FINN.no
16:33 <rust_collector> that makes no sense, lol
26:28 <Ampera> iLO is so fucking cool
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12:43 <Ysjoelfir> always, rust_collector!
13:01 <Ysjoelfir> at least those look very fascinating.
13:14 <Ysjoelfir> probably for fastening some ferrule over a cable?
15:12 <rust_collector> I think they have nothing to do with anything in particular at all?
15:45 <rust_collector> but yeah, they are ok, as tools, if you want something that you can gronk on
21:34 <rust_collector> heh, one strip of nickel is gone, lol.
22:48 <Ysjoelfir> I don't even have any nickel :P damn
28:39 <rust_collector> https://avatars.githubusercontent.com/u/63392?v=4
29:14 <Ysjoelfir> hehehe
29:19 <rust_collector> as I am not allowed short urls any more, you will only get small pictures
05:17 <Ampera> ordered the fiber for my 10GbE run
07:08 <rust_collector> parrrrrrty party
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51:53 <Lord_of_nothing> omg that slow...
53:28 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I would love for them to speed up a lot with those vaccinations as well
54:41 <rust_collector> huge syringes, and people in line, just STAB STAB STAB
55:51 <Ysjoelfir> I read from countries who do "drive in vaccinations". stay in your car, fill out a form, open window, stab, close window, drive away
56:10 <rust_collector> yeah, that is an idea
56:17 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder why such a highly educated, rich country like germanistan isn't capable to do that
56:20 <steve30> They did drive-thru flu vaccines here last year
57:10 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir you wonder why they can not make it cheap and easy? ... well...
57:24 <steve30> They also did drive-thru phlebotomy
59:06 <Ysjoelfir> in some cases I think drive through lobotomy would also be a great idea
59:45 <rust_collector> yep, that is doable now, with the 88v lithium battery in 18v drills
03:46 <rust_collector> toothbrush recycling box in the store... is that common?
10:54 <MrMobodies> I just watching Eevblog #2 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2yRR4G3yTA
10:55 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: EEVblog #2 - Burden Voltage, HP Multimeter review
11:06 <MrMobodies> and it looks like he was having a bad day
11:30 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zele19jm1MQ
11:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: EEVblog #56 - Agilent U1253A OLED Multimeter Review & Teardown
11:58 <MrMobodies> and on Eevblog #56 he's all happy and excited
12:49 <Ysjoelfir> he changed his style over the time quite a bit
13:22 <Ysjoelfir> and... why would you recycle a toothbrush, rust_collector? I think they are made from so many different materials, I can't immagine that that is a sensible thing to do?
13:55 <rust_collector> I have no idea, but I guess most of them are plastic with plastic, covered in plastic
14:08 <Ysjoelfir> pretty much
14:41 <rust_collector> but some place in russia, they have a box next to the shelf in the store, where you plop your old brush in
14:46 <Ysjoelfir> but some have silicone overmoulding, some have natural bristles, some have plastic bristles, some ahve wooden.... erm... "handles".... how can dividing all that into their parts be worth the time?
14:52 <Ysjoelfir> strange
15:44 <rust_collector> meh, all of that will burn. it is ok
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21:48 <electrohead> Ampera: ever use dragonfly BSD?
22:00 <Ampera> nope
22:07 <Ampera> it has some interesting tech that I've read about, but I have never used it
22:22 <Ampera> it seems to be the oddball of the BSD family, in my opinion
22:29 <electrohead> I may toss it on one of my machines, for the heck of it
22:34 <rust_collector> MrMobodies I like that older dave, younger.. previous?
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31:18 <Halcyon> Morning
31:42 <rust_collector> morning lord Halcyon
31:46 <Halcyon> Hehe
31:49 <Halcyon> Heya
31:59 <rust_collector> you do need a better title
32:41 <steve30> hi
32:58 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
33:03 <rust_collector> hi master steve
33:03 <Halcyon> For the channel?
33:51 <rust_collector> well, in general. just Halcyon seems to informal, you need something in front. general Halcyon , or lord, doctor is a bit boring
34:35 <Halcyon> Oh
34:47 <rust_collector> professor could work, or...
34:50 <Halcyon> You could call me by my rank?
34:55 <rust_collector> hah
34:58 <rust_collector> nah
34:58 <Halcyon> :P
35:05 <Halcyon> Too "boring" for you? :P
35:23 <steve30> are you a constable? I'm not sure I asked before
35:29 <rust_collector> no, it would make me think of bad things
35:30 <Halcyon> Sergeant
35:41 <steve30> ah
35:58 <Halcyon> rust_collector, what kind of bad things? ;-)
36:20 <rust_collector> I just do not really like such things, they make me nervous
36:25 <Ysjoelfir> o\ Mornings, Sgt. Hulk!
36:35 <Halcyon> Ahh my German friend
36:40 <Halcyon> How are you sir?
36:56 * electrohead rubs on Halcyon
37:03 <Halcyon> I'm getting all the love today
37:08 <electrohead> <3
37:10 <electrohead> lol, hey man
37:11 <Ysjoelfir> tired. and slow. in my mind and... "in" my body. but still strangely awake for this status
37:11 <Halcyon> \o/
37:13 <rust_collector> shiny halcyon... that is a thing
37:15 <Halcyon> Hey matey
37:37 * steve30 needs coffee
37:43 <Halcyon> I guess rust_collector? Although it makes me think of being lubed up with olive oil or something
37:52 <Halcyon> I has coffee
37:53 <rust_collector> yes
38:03 <rust_collector> nothing wrong with that
38:12 <Halcyon> Didn't say there was ;-)
38:19 <Halcyon> But if you want to go down that path, that's fine
38:23 <rust_collector> especially after mr dr head rubs you
38:52 <Halcyon> electrohead: https://drivemehungry.com/spicy-szechuan-noodles-with-garlic-chili-oil/
38:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - Spicy Szechuan Noodles with Garlic Chili Oil - Drive Me Hungry
38:58 <Halcyon> Those look amazing, I'm going to make them
40:59 <electrohead> oooo
41:26 <electrohead> make us some :p
41:43 <Halcyon> If I could freeze-dry food and send it to you, I would
42:03 <steve30> looks nice
42:20 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to finish getting ready for work.
42:26 <Halcyon> electrohead, you at home at the moment?
42:33 * electrohead hides Halcyon's pants
42:43 <Halcyon> Haha
42:44 <electrohead> I am, but lounging around lol
42:51 <Halcyon> I was going to give you a call soon
43:30 <steve30> Halcyon, has Dave had the coronavirus vaccine?
43:38 <Halcyon> steve30, no idea
45:01 <electrohead> ok
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46:49 * Ysjoelfir gets out his sledgehamer and approaches clarkos
47:40 <rust_collector> hammer time!
47:49 <rust_collector> or, baggy pants time
52:04 <Ysjoelfir> can't touch this
53:05 <rust_collector> here comes the hammer
54:13 <rust_collector> pray, and help the children
54:27 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
55:00 <rust_collector> it's all good
56:08 <rust_collector> we're all in the same gang
56:24 <rust_collector> this is what we do
56:52 <Ysjoelfir> yeh!
57:02 <rust_collector> yets get it started
57:09 <rust_collector> lets go deeper
57:25 <rust_collector> do not pass me by!
57:54 <rust_collector> uhm, no idea.
58:14 <rust_collector> she's soft and wet does not really fit in here
58:46 <rust_collector> so, mc hammer is 59, that is interesting.
58:57 <rust_collector> I thought he was 65 at least
59:18 <Ysjoelfir> I immagined him being older as well
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02:02 * Ysjoelfir bashes onto clarkos router with a lot of force
02:29 <rust_collector> wait wait
02:39 <Lemon> no wait
02:46 * Ysjoelfir is waiting thrice
02:51 <rust_collector> maybe it supports vga3b or what it was you needed
03:41 <rust_collector> bmx2+?
03:50 <Ysjoelfir> yes, something like that
04:09 <rust_collector> yes, wee if it does that
04:13 <Lemon> I think im getting allergic to non silicone test leads
04:20 <rust_collector> then you know of one more model you don't want
05:17 <Lemon> people say pvc leads last longer and I understand (tho I have mueller leads that are older than me probably, and are totally fine)
05:22 <Lemon> but shit, silicone is so much nicer
07:42 <Lemon> I want another pair, for the fluke, or whatever
08:05 <Lemon> but idk if im ready to pay 45 euros for a pair of genuine fluke, there must be cheaper alternative that are as good
10:36 <rust_collector> isn't it probemaster they keep nagging about?
10:49 <Ysjoelfir> yep
11:10 <Ysjoelfir> probemaster is "the tightest poop" or whatever the youngsters tend to call such things nowadays
11:24 <rust_collector> Lemon just do your workout, so you can handle the extra load of regular leads
11:53 <Lemon> yeah ofc but I hate that they get tangled fast
12:03 <Lemon> probemaster you say
12:08 <Lemon> are they really good ?
12:13 <rust_collector> no, probemaster
12:57 <rust_collector> I dunno? they look like a small long sex toy for men, with a pointy bit at the end.
14:04 <Lemon> interesting
14:16 <Lemon> I mean I dont mind spending 15-20 euros for a good pair of test leads
14:20 <Lemon> but 40-50, nah
14:29 <Lemon> heck I paid 66 for the meter itself lol
14:29 <rust_collector> ok, then don't
14:53 <rust_collector> yes, you paid 66 for a 32 year old meter. that is pretty neat
15:15 <Lemon> neater if it was a 33 years old meter
15:38 <Lemon> the thing is, look what you can have for the same price
15:47 <rust_collector> well, I am just throwing out random numbers, I have no idea how old it is, lol
16:00 <Lemon> it will be a chinese thingie, with many useless features, prolly as accurate but surely not as stable in time
16:08 <Lemon> not as well protected, physically/electrically
16:10 <rust_collector> no, thing is, if you want nice things that cost 40, you should get that
16:59 <Lemon> lets say for me its a balance, im seeing nice test leads at 20 usd but with horrible shipping, so that means it surely exist in europe, I just have to find it
17:29 <Lemon> fluke test leads are nice but a tad overpriced imo
19:17 <Lemon> I mean if its necessary to pay 40 euros for something, because its worth it etc no problem
19:38 <Lemon> but if I know the thing is worth 20, but cost 40 because of a brand name, nah its annoying
20:14 <rust_collector> ok, but at least it is only annoying until you get them
20:23 <Lemon> its a bit like tupperware, I know tons of addicts here that swear only by it, and yeah sure its good quality, but when I say "its imo overpriced" they say "yes but its quality"
20:35 <Lemon> but quality doesnt mean it should be overpriced :> it comes at a price yeah, but the right one
22:32 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, get the probemaster set.
22:35 <Lemon> but we will see, if its really the only set I can find, and I Know they are super good, yeah we'll see
22:43 <Lemon> are they really that good ?
22:45 <Ysjoelfir> and an additional test lead set.
22:49 <Lemon> you have a few ?
22:54 <Lemon> I meant, a pair
22:56 <Ysjoelfir> yes. you actually tried them when you were here.
23:03 <rust_collector> yes, get 2 sets. and they have different models
23:03 <Ysjoelfir> I have... wait
23:08 <Lemon> hoooo ok, I totally forgot
23:16 <Lemon> well the mueller pair I have is wonderful, just not gold plated
23:26 <Lemon> I think gold plated make them much better for continuity
23:40 <Lemon> I have some fluke tl75 that came with the 101, they are meh
25:03 <Ysjoelfir> I have this set https://probemaster.com/spring-loaded-micro-tip-test-lead-kit/
25:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - Spring Loaded Test Leads Made In USA | Probe Master
25:08 <Ysjoelfir> and that one as well:
25:42 <rust_collector> sproingmaster
25:45 <Lemon> ha I think thats the one I was looking at https://www.ebay.fr/itm/323687840746?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item4b5d4c7bea:g:JZgAAOSwf1xf~2Dv&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACgBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickk5v8gVt3hEWLVg%252F253w6XCWWDpJUf9kIF%252BUpqpGkEmISYav%252FgDuEPmUJu3z8uuK8Ihw9r7%252FrHSmZSgiFdZCm0pUzzSS2k%252F7bgCwiz18v216lm%252Bjmwh7iAFnU73b67%252FPK5gduG99cjwWi3QxwLMAVVQqcEQxkJKawxQTs3GWKL2SMj90y0udm1zx7PQitEXPgui6wRKLEj
25:45 <Lemon> dSzJNUZZawi23gM5YHz3szWcW3vXa5emcwHrjUJMDIgp7k%252BYyl7DwAxXq8%252BtgwwRikbzRbz%252FpyGvBS%252BsuDJzPOI2r7j2XTCIuc4r9rY%252Fra0%252FazDiCbQ2FTEvAZVrVLJI7sgaTP8V6vow3mFfl5Ur3%252B%252BhNMOTrO3SXXuhe7Wzh2mk%252FAkCXp7a9l4DKvgAH3Vf9Yucrnwa8ks2uN9heSvMIIlVlAgYMtcVYNIMGobcqPIjSRmWn0q0NPD1sVvzpc8qov8KBSajLAmdB%252BVYww1V8jMTOdiSKgl1IRw26PM6Trk88kWsUcrqioAwRuQ7DizUE7ajDjJO1HS8dNvkF8yXwDn%252FeC7WYJPascuO5%252FLxvFSTQCsEyl%252BEvHC3T34JwxaECW
25:45 <Lemon> 2VUz07og%252BEHm86CTNMJinxVK8N2GIwlaQgV1i8siUe6DN6VZmXYBB5%252F5AdtJgqMaK6sq8H5pETctY5rYePtS4zeOrvkkm6e%252B2vINiIxC1dl5iNrg1lXEt9hxsw5M1f%252F6FD8PYDySwitpKpU209OsxtIhRwkXUmEVrNYP44TTLsLSSBdObgQfMuU1bjNUde9wsYTayfZTCnBWXes%253D%7Ccksum%3A323687840746c12dd4462c774640a6c315b21fa9cb53%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524
25:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - HT201/P78 20:1 passive Atténuateur 10 MHz Bande passante Oscilloscope Accessoires | eBay
25:48 <Lemon> jesus fuck
26:13 <Ysjoelfir> https://probemaster.com/8000-series-test-lead-master-kits/
26:16 <EEVBot> [Title] - Test Lead master kits made in USA | Probe Master
26:53 <Ysjoelfir> no wait
27:01 <Ysjoelfir> that one https://probemaster.com/8000-series-test-lead-master-kits/
27:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - Test Lead master kits made in USA | Probe Master
27:14 <rust_collector> Lemon I have a site that can make your links even longer
27:21 <Lemon> they look really nice
27:29 <Lemon> and yes, with that many accessories, price looks ok
28:18 <Lemon> the super thin tips are super nice
28:29 <Lemon> because for example I needed to probe some chips on my adc board
28:35 <Lemon> no way to do that with mueller ones
28:39 <Lemon> and they arent the thickest ever
29:04 <Lemon> you bought them on ebay/probemaster website ?
29:08 <Lemon> or somewhere else maybe ?
29:23 <Ysjoelfir> one thing I especially love about those: the complete probe is flexible rubber
29:53 <Lemon> yes !
29:55 <Lemon> I saw that
29:59 <Lemon> they look super nice
30:03 <Ysjoelfir> so you can apply slight pressure and they don't slip
30:04 <Lemon> https://www.welectron.com/Probe-Master-8017S-Softie-Test-Leads-120cm
30:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Probe Master 8017S Softie Test Leads 120cm, 24,90 € - Welectron
30:11 <Lemon> basic ones are decently priced
31:28 <Lemon> hoooo and the micro tips one are spring loaded
32:40 <Ysjoelfir> yep
33:00 <rust_collector> squish squish squish
33:29 <Lemon> hmmmmmm
33:37 <Lemon> shit I should never have seen those
33:54 <rust_collector> your old ones will work fine
33:57 * electrohead tosses beer at Ysjoelfir, Lemon, and rust_collector
34:03 <Lemon> but its a bit like the stripper, its the kind of thing I use all the time
34:03 <rust_collector> OUCH!
34:04 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
34:15 <Lemon> and im always screaming at my shitty croco clips etc
34:17 <Lemon> aye thanks
34:20 <rust_collector> no, it isn't
34:22 <Lemon> tho I drank too much red wine
34:28 <rust_collector> AHA!
34:29 <Lemon> trust me they are lol
34:33 <Lemon> you'd throw them in a minute
34:48 <rust_collector> yes, but your meter probes are good enough.
36:42 <Lemon> lets say the fact that continuity test is much snappier with gold plating, and those micro tips are quite appealing to me
37:11 <rust_collector> ok, continuity test is much snappier with gold plating, and those micro tips are quite appealing
37:49 <Lemon> :>
38:07 <rust_collector> is yoo happynow?
38:45 <Lemon> https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAO8r2iYLLgiIDLXF_F2HLdAp8sWpniiVQ3Q&usqp=CAU
38:50 <Lemon> those are the ones I have
39:01 <Lemon> thing is, area of contact is super small, and they got no clamping force whatsoever
44:02 <Lemon> only annoying thing is that I wont be able to use them with my two big boi dmms
44:08 <Lemon> as they dont have shrouded connectors
45:06 <rust_collector> ok, maybe you can see my "croc clips" in the thing there
45:48 <rust_collector> well, one of them
50:03 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/6gxWFG9
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50:35 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/f43fWJH
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51:22 <Ysjoelfir> thats perfect!
53:08 <rust_collector> they are nice
53:13 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/17XDw7k
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53:41 <Ysjoelfir> I agree, that seems to work nice
54:23 <rust_collector> and they are ok with some voltage, until they get wet
56:50 <Lemon> heh at least they clamp !
57:03 <rust_collector> and they cost...
57:06 <Lemon> I just went through some of my fathers stuff and found two grabbers to go with the mueller leads
57:10 <Lemon> very nice find
57:19 <Lemon> they arent gold plated but heh its always that
57:23 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay.de/itm/261672048845 for some reason I want 10 sets of those.....
57:23 <rust_collector> I think they were around 2 euros for 50
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58:45 <rust_collector> weird
58:48 <rust_collector> that is why
59:25 <Lemon> they look cool :>
59:36 <Lemon> I saw some sapphire insulator in an old soviet electrometer
00:22 <Lemon> wait a minute
00:34 <Lemon> the probemaster plugs are compatible with regular banana aswell ?
00:41 <Lemon> I saw that they are retractable
02:36 <Ysjoelfir> if you buy the right ones, yes.
02:46 <Ysjoelfir> and thats one reason I got them.
02:59 * Ysjoelfir absolutely hates those stupid safety shrouded things
04:08 <Lemon> yes we agree on that
04:11 <Lemon> jesus im sold then
04:17 <Lemon> I want micro tips for benchbigbois
04:23 <Lemon> and regular ones for the incoming fluke
04:29 <Lemon> annnnnnd thats 100 bucks
04:35 <Lemon> nah thats too much I cant
04:39 <Lemon> I will have to make a choice
04:52 <rust_collector> they make them every day, you can buy some later
04:53 <Ysjoelfir> don't forget 2 packs of those russian glass insulator feedthrough thingies
04:55 <Lemon> do you use the various different spring loaded clips ?
05:03 <Lemon> not clips
05:04 <Lemon> tips
05:14 <Ysjoelfir> I used everything in the pack yet, yes
06:22 <Lemon> do you have a few examples in mind, of the different uses ? mostly with the micro tips, I saw a few different tips
06:28 <Lemon> idk if theres different ones on bigger version
07:10 <rust_collector> well, you can stick them to things you want to measure?
09:11 <Lemon> yes but I have trouble to see the different versions of those micro tips
09:20 <Lemon> and im curious of the different use cases
09:32 <Lemon> also, the name of the probemaster president is Dick Press
09:39 <Lemon> I dont know what to think now
10:40 <rust_collector> don't think so much, you might end up like hsn
11:02 <hsn> whats wrong with him
11:25 <hsn> except the white hair
11:31 <hsn> in his beard
11:47 <rust_collector> that is probably one of the better parts of him
12:38 <rust_collector> and you probably got those, because you think too much
13:07 <Lemon> hmmm the regular probes looks super sharp, maybe good enough for what I want
13:12 <Lemon> hrmmrrmrmrmmmm
14:35 <hsn> rust_collector, but lemon thinks more .. he cares about all the digits
14:50 <Lemon> all of them, yes
14:59 <rust_collector> hsn did you see my 200killa-hertz inverter thing?
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15:10 <Lemon> especially 0s, but 1s are alright too, depending on the case
15:22 <hsn> no .. does it kill ?
15:30 <rust_collector> it does
15:42 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/f43fWJH
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16:06 <rust_collector> it does all the volts
17:27 <hsn> it has spark plug
17:33 <rust_collector> it does
17:43 <hsn> can u put that volts in the ear bud ?
17:49 <hsn> lets hear the zapps
17:59 <rust_collector> I guess you could
18:14 <hsn> ttttzzzzzz
18:17 <rust_collector> but then I can not hear my muzak any more
18:40 <rust_collector> and at 200k it does not sound like anything anyway
18:43 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir where have you bought your probemasters ?
18:49 <Lemon> seems I need the 8044SK
18:57 <Ysjoelfir> online
19:10 <Ysjoelfir> well
19:11 <rust_collector> OM THE INTERNET!
19:21 <Lemon> yes, question is which website :>
19:23 <Ysjoelfir> actually in the storage of my old company when we moved
19:44 <Lemon> directly one their website ? or another reseller ?
19:51 <Lemon> because you know USA stuff, customs etc
20:21 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno, probably from some reseller. as I said, I grabbed them from old companys storage room
20:37 <Lemon> ha ok !
21:04 <rust_collector> https://www.welectron.com/Probe-Master-8043S-Softie-Test-Lead-Kit_1
21:05 <EEVBot> [Title] - Probe Master 8043S Softie Test Lead Kit, 39.90 €
21:15 <Ysjoelfir> I considered asking the probemaster guys if they want to have a reseller in germanistan, but I doubt that they would want to cooperate with me :P
21:49 <Lemon> yes rusty I was on that website but I want the retractable connector, the 8044SK
21:53 <Lemon> and ofc they dont have it :>
22:00 <Lemon> heh ask them ! Ysjoelfir
22:02 <Lemon> you never know
24:56 <Lemon> https://probemaster.com/8000-series-kits/
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25:03 <Lemon> https://probemaster.com/8000-series-test-lead-master-kits/
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25:13 <Lemon> im hesitating between the two, leaning on the simpler kit
25:38 <Lemon> im not seeing myself use the extended small tip too often, I guess if its really needed I'd buy the micro tips version
26:41 <Ysjoelfir> the extended tips are super usefull for repair work. the breadboard adapters.. well, for obvious reasons. and the micro grabbers are very cool for prototyping stuff. if that aren't things you feel you need, definitely go for the small set
26:59 <Lemon> ha they are breadboard adapters, ok
27:07 <Lemon> I saw a video of a guy showing them
27:14 <Lemon> I thought they were just extended tips
27:42 <Lemon> wait a sec
27:43 <Lemon> I misread
28:01 <Lemon> the breadboard adapters are the one with the small cable ?
28:07 <Lemon> it looks like a female connector
28:10 <Ysjoelfir> yes
28:16 <Ysjoelfir> it is
28:23 <Lemon> you need a male to male pin for those ?
29:00 <Lemon> I gues
29:03 <Ysjoelfir> if you want to plug it into a breadboard, yes. I just use a regular male to male breadboard jumper
29:03 <Lemon> guess
29:23 <Lemon> well you could also use a jumper + the grabber set I guess
29:26 <Lemon> but yeah I see ok
29:37 <Lemon> hmmm extended tips heh
29:44 <Lemon> I need to find of a situation
29:48 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but the grabbers are not that practical for that part. but its up to you
29:54 <Lemon> yeah ?
29:56 <Lemon> ok
30:05 <Lemon> I just dont want to cheap out and regret
30:14 <Lemon> but I also dont want to overpay and regret :>
30:24 <Lemon> I need to think of a few situations
30:29 <rust_collector> I hope hsn has been stashing away meaty things, for his beach-bbq next weekend
30:33 <Ysjoelfir> the small grabbers are more for IC pins, the big aligator grabbers are more for thicker wires or clipping stuff to the case or heatsinks or whatnot
30:47 <hsn> there is no bbq anymore rust_collector
30:52 <hsn> its hot enough
31:03 <Lemon> hmmm ok I see
31:05 <Ysjoelfir> exactly, rusty.
31:12 <rust_collector> call it what you want. I hope you go put meat on the beach
31:23 <Ysjoelfir> in sandistan you now just throw your meat into the air, when it comes back down its already done
31:29 <electrohead> hsn: make us some curry?
31:39 <electrohead> I'd supply the money for the ingredients, lol
32:22 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, thats true for eggs .. well not in air .. but u can use car body ..
32:41 <hsn> rust_collector, im the meat on the beach
33:26 <rust_collector> hmm, how about one of those skeet shooting disc flinger things, and some burgers?
33:26 <hsn> rust_collector, https://images.app.goo.gl/fwD1BK6YXNRLU7vS9
33:52 <rust_collector> ooooh yes
33:58 <hsn> lol
34:12 <hsn> swap him with tea bag
35:06 <rust_collector> what? I have probably forgot about whatever you are talking about
35:51 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir I think the bigger kit is nice yes, you are right. Those breadboard thingies are super cool
36:01 <Lemon> now the lengh, 120 cm sounds a good compromise
36:14 <rust_collector> I wonder... is it too hot to make jerky there? nah, it should be ok, I think?
36:55 <Ysjoelfir> I have the 48 inches.
37:04 <Ysjoelfir> EEVBot convert 48 inch to cm
37:05 <EEVBot> Ysjoelfir: The result is 121.92 cm
37:08 <Ysjoelfir> ah.
37:12 <rust_collector> lol
37:13 <Ysjoelfir> yes, 120 is good
37:32 <rust_collector> 122 is too much. go for the 120
37:49 <Ysjoelfir> though one of the best inventions I ever made is a set of 40cm testleads
38:30 <Lemon> what do you use them for ?
39:24 <rust_collector> things not far away?
39:32 <Lemon> erf 26 dollars shipping
39:52 <Ysjoelfir> I use them for almost everything I don't use the fancy ones for
40:26 <Lemon> I see, my big meters are behind me, so I tend to plug multiple leads together to make them longer lol
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43:24 <rust_collector> but you were supposed to put the meters in the stairs! arrrgh!
46:06 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6khjrLcoj8
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51:17 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 all
51:47 <Ysjoelfir> (he says, assuming that he can sleep this night)
52:07 <rust_collector> just do it
52:31 <rust_collector> or go wrestling, and pass out
52:46 <Ysjoelfir> that was the plan. :P so, gn8
52:59 <rust_collector> good night
52:59 <Ysjoelfir> if I don't return in an hour I am probably asleep for 3 days now
53:43 <rust_collector> no, 13 ¼ hours
54:53 <rust_collector> I think I will go to bed too, because I can, and I have it all for myself, and I can rotate and flip and flop as I want
55:15 <rust_collector> maybe I will sleep sideways
58:40 <Lemon> sleep tight
58:50 <Lemon> guess I will sleep, and see tommorow if I order that kit
58:53 <Lemon> you see rusty ?
58:57 <Lemon> thats always like that
59:04 <Lemon> "20 euros for a pair of good probes is fine"
59:16 <Lemon> and here I am, almost buying a 70 euros kit
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39:52 <rust_collector> yeap...
40:04 <rust_collector> Lemon did you order that one yet?
40:22 <Lemon> I need to sleep first, always sleep before taking a decision lol
40:27 <Lemon> but yes I will probably do it
40:36 <Lemon> after all, I made a nice profit with that gpu
40:50 <Lemon> I do want to keep most of it tho, for the psu
41:02 <rust_collector> yeah
41:03 <Lemon> but its no useless stuff for once
41:32 <rust_collector> no, not useless, but... meh, it could be worse
41:33 <Lemon> many times I caught myself wanting proper aligator clips, or mini grabbers, or simply nice leads for a snappy continuity test
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45:49 <rust_collector> hmmm, no more coffee...
46:11 <rust_collector> why do I still live? cooooffffeeeeee!! booohoo
52:27 <Lemon> :(
53:13 <rust_collector> ?
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56:29 <Lemon> you looked sad, without coffee !
56:47 <rust_collector> yeah, no coffee makes sad rusty
03:21 <rust_collector> ok, good night
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46:53 <alfbaz> hi
46:59 <alfbaz> lo
47:00 <alfbaz> lo
47:05 <alfbaz> ho
47:15 <alfbaz> aww fuckit
47:17 <alfbaz> hello
48:00 <alfbaz> was gonna try and spell out hello in binary ascii :P
49:22 <electrohead> o/
49:27 <electrohead> try not to spam the channel as much
49:36 <electrohead> if anything, write it on one line lol
49:47 <alfbaz> lucky I stopped then :)
49:50 <electrohead> :P
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06:09 <alfbaz> nice!
06:52 <alfbaz> ...and hence forth electrohead was know as Bender :P
07:56 <alfbaz> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Bender_Rodriguez.png
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14:19 <electrohead> :p
14:45 <electrohead> https://0xznc01.pw:2600/public/crypto_stringcalc.py
14:59 <electrohead> I made this up some time ago
15:29 <electrohead> I still need to add more functions and whatnot to it
16:45 <electrohead> eventually want to add actual encryption conversions to that
19:59 <alfbaz> cool I can use that!
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49:16 <alfbaz> The closest I came to that sort of stuf is I wrote a bare bones windows hex view. You now the tipical ascii on the left, hex on the right
07:00 <T3sl4> alfbaz: https://i.imgur.com/fj8cc2e.gif
10:13 <alfbaz> lol, has to be one of my favourite robots :P
13:06 <alfbaz> https://i.imgur.com/cmGndrC.mp4
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17:55 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/C0gLzaU.gif
22:51 <alfbaz> interesting orifice :P
25:35 <T3sl4> i have a better version too...
25:38 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/qBS6EUV.gif
28:02 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: (FTL) so, here's a near-stalemate. i have one charge ion, enemy has two shield and cloak. i only have offensive drones to shoot them.
28:20 <T3sl4> thing with charge ion is, the ion dmg dissipates about a second before it fires again, right
28:50 <T3sl4> well, if i simply wait here for about 60 shots, my weapons guy will train up enough to fire overlapping charges
29:14 <T3sl4> oh hey there it goes, it only took 10 minutes
30:56 <T3sl4> ...and they're running. fml
42:56 <alfbaz> my cat's breath smells like cat food
46:09 <T3sl4> so, do you... like, stuff?
47:04 <alfbaz> stuff's ok I prefer things
47:22 <T3sl4> i prefer to burn things
47:32 <alfbaz> ooh ahh yep
47:32 <T3sl4> "now you know what ya gotta do laddie"
47:51 <alfbaz> reference -> NULL
48:02 <alfbaz> make that NULL*
48:45 <T3sl4> https://frinkiac.com/caption/S09E18/1311376
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49:22 <alfbaz> lol, g'd it
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05:08 <K> hello toucans
05:15 <steve30> hi
14:03 <T3sl4> (*)> le toucan has arrived
14:09 <T3sl4> man, that's an old twitchmeme
18:05 <K> hey T3sl4, maybe you can shed some light on whether there can be some negative si/emc effects of having ground plane on the other side of pcb AND ground trace next to signal trace?
18:34 <T3sl4> maybe?
18:44 <T3sl4> how much SI is required?
19:03 <K> just a teoretical question
19:42 <T3sl4> well, a theoretical maybe is an answer :P
19:49 <K> :|
20:26 <K> is this a concern in real life?
20:27 <T3sl4> how many layers? is the ground stitched? how much coupling between signal and gnd traces? how much trace length? etc
20:33 <K> 2 layers
20:35 <K> ah.
20:41 <K> "it depends"
21:10 <T3sl4> those are the things you need to look for, from which you can derive things like gain through the signal path, or signal to free space
21:37 <K> i guess my frame of reference was low speed digital
22:09 <T3sl4> speed is just a scale factor, 74HC logic will need quite long traces / coupling regions to notice anything
22:33 <T3sl4> sub-ns ECL/CML/LVDS/etc will notice it in a few cm, or <mm for the fastest stuff
24:23 <K> prolly not a issue for me then
24:26 <K> thanks
24:48 <T3sl4> it tends not to be a problem because a. most generic CMOS logic isn't fast enough, on circuits large enough, for it to be much of a problem on board (but can be on cables); and b. high speed channels tend to be built with complicated solutions to deal with board losses
25:11 <T3sl4> like DDR2 or 3 or something having preshoot on the transmitters, to account for HF losses in the PCB
25:45 <T3sl4> and the receivers having noise blanking to ignore ringing, and lenient eye diagrams to account for lower frequency losses (causing ISI)
26:19 <T3sl4> something like 74LVC or DDR memory is on the order of where edges are likely to be board-sized, so SI matters some
27:32 * alfbaz licks T3sl4 's SI gland :P
27:33 <K> i see
27:55 * T3sl4 lays some cable in alfbaz
28:15 <T3sl4> (as in, silicone rubber cable gland being the thing that came to mind)
28:26 <alfbaz> none of that rg rubish I hope
30:46 <alfbaz> Love that SI stuff, been meaning to get howard johnson's book. Have you had a chance to look at T3sl4?
31:33 <alfbaz> *look at it
32:04 <T3sl4> shrug
32:42 <T3sl4> i've heard dubious things about it, probably the assumptions aren't well checked/explained or something
33:14 <T3sl4> alfbaz: also, you think i'd waste LMR-400 on someone like you? :P
36:16 <T3sl4> anyway, doesn't mean it's useless, just means read it carefully/critically, sanity check what is said
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39:15 <T3sl4> not that that's exactly trivial either, i mean given a sufficient level of observation and reflection, one can infer the entirety of modern physics just from opening ones' eyes and moving around a bit :P
39:44 <T3sl4> if perhaps not quantum mechanics and the things based thereupon
40:25 <T3sl4> somewhere between no capability for inference at all, and godlike, lies us humans, so, YMMV :P
41:02 <hsn> T3sl4, if u have gnd plane on bottom of 2 layers .. and top .. and fencing vias around the trace .. then u just made coplaner + microstrip line (which is 180 Deg shield in 3D dimension) right ? thats good no ?
41:21 <T3sl4> yes CPW
41:55 <hsn> isnt coplaner just top ? .. and microstrip just bottom
42:15 <hsn> will .. i mean u know what i mean ^
42:20 <T3sl4> i dont know the etymology of "coplanar waveguide" but that's what it's called
42:32 <T3sl4> or CPWG (CPW with ground)
43:14 <hsn> is there cpwg trace impedance calculator ?
43:27 <hsn> https://chemandy.com/calculators/coplanar-waveguide-with-ground-calculator.htm
43:28 <EEVBot> [Title] - Coplanar Waveguide With Ground Calculator
43:35 <alfbaz> T3sl4, sorry mate the missus came in is giving me the hurry up :c we're going out for dinner
43:48 <T3sl4> mmm, dinner
44:06 <hsn> wouah that thing has 50 ohm on 2L 1.6mm board
44:12 <K> dinner donner
44:21 <T3sl4> hello kebabs
44:21 <hsn> but does it have to have lots of stiching / fencing ?
44:21 <EEVBot> Hello, T3sl4!
44:48 <hsn> EEVBot, hello
44:49 <EEVBot> o/
45:00 <hsn> EEVBot, taunt T3sl4
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45:03 <T3sl4> vias aren't analytically solvable
45:16 <hsn> why T3sl4
45:30 <T3sl4> those eqns probably assume vias at infinity, and as such ignore waveguide modes between planes
45:56 <hsn> vias at infinity = no vias near the trace right ?
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46:32 <T3sl4> if that's the case, then in practice, you'll get slightly lower impedance for a close-in via fence, namely for vias closer than say 1 or 2 substrate thicknesses to the edge of top ground
47:47 <T3sl4> the vias not being a solid wall, means there's a EBG property, causing a slight bandstop response at frequencies on the order of the via spacing wavelength
48:02 <T3sl4> (and weird stuff at harmonics above that)
49:02 <T3sl4> at LF, the field between the planes, drops off very quickly with distance from trace
49:59 <T3sl4> either way, the edge coupling is generally pretty low (<20%?) so the effect on impedance or whatever is small (that's why CPWG isn't much lower Z than microstrip, for same dimensions and even at minimum top side ground clearance)
52:50 <hsn> T3sl4, that edge coupling cant be stronger when its 6mil between the gnd and trace ?
53:05 * electrohead shakes it, as he goes to bed
53:15 <T3sl4> it's the ratio of spacing, to height over plane
53:21 <hsn> electrohead, which head u shaken
53:31 * T3sl4 saran wraps electrohead to his bed
53:35 <T3sl4> in other words,
53:37 * T3sl4 films
54:29 <electrohead> hsn: which ever one you want me to?
54:32 <electrohead> lol
54:54 <hsn> i dont want u to :D im just askin
54:58 <electrohead> xD
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55:08 * electrohead shakes it for T3sl4, instead
55:14 <electrohead> alright, I'm getting to bed, though
55:17 <T3sl4> \o/
55:17 <hsn> gn
55:26 <electrohead> was up late playing minecraft with a friend
55:28 <electrohead> ;o
55:29 <hsn> EEVBot, give bed to electrohead
55:30 * EEVBot hands bed to electrohead
55:33 <electrohead> talk about memories
55:34 <electrohead> heh
55:36 <T3sl4> electrobed
55:37 <electrohead> why thanks
56:14 * electrohead wonders off
59:06 <jjon> I was about to order some LoRa modules, but I now realize that there will be huge delays between data transmissions, am I right?
59:20 <jjon> if I want to send data and receive back confirmation, it could take more than 2 seconds, am I not mistaken?
59:40 <T3sl4> i don't know anything about lora
59:55 <T3sl4> if that's the case, yes, TCP-like protocols might be a bit pokey
00:28 <hsn> pokey means?
00:36 <K> wit holes?
00:38 <T3sl4> slow
01:38 <jjon> https://www.thethingsnetwork.org/docs/lorawan/duty-cycle/
01:38 <EEVBot> [Title] - Duty Cycle | The Things Network
01:58 <hsn> my understanding .. (loraWAN goes to some gateway) then .. the gateway is connected to normal internet stuff .. and then it replies back to lorawan network .. no tcp involved ..
02:09 <hsn> so i dont understand why u mention TCP here ^
03:08 <K> tcp as in "packet-switched"
03:19 <K> as oposed to "circuit-switched"
03:26 <jjon> I am not talking about LoRaWan
03:48 <T3sl4> hsn: IP carries packets, TCP is the Transmission Control Protocol that ensures packets are received
03:59 <T3sl4> (on the internet, namely)
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04:36 <hsn> T3sl4, so u sayin :: lora thingy + TCP implemented on top of it ==== tooo slow .. ?
04:41 <T3sl4> if you're starting from a lower level and building your own stack on top, that's what i mean by "TCP-like"
04:49 <jjon> I am talking about P2P, fixed transmission
05:43 <T3sl4> can read up on high-latency transmission protocols, see what solutions exist
06:16 <T3sl4> the ultimate case would be something like NASA deep space comms, latency in the 10^5 ms, and they manage to transmit code and data over that
06:28 <T3sl4> but that's also a very special purpose thing, YMMV
06:40 <hsn> jjon, arent u suppose to comply with govermental lora limits ? which is loRaWan .. ? no ?
07:09 <T3sl4> i'm guessing "wan" refers to 'world area network' i.e. the internets
07:22 <T3sl4> so, that's about half a dozen network layers on top of a basic radio
07:37 <T3sl4> i don't remember how basic LoRa is to begin with
07:51 <hsn> not wide-area network ?
08:12 <T3sl4> that too
08:37 <jjon> hsn, "LoRaWAN is the communication protocol and system architecture for the network while LoRa is the physical radio layer enabling the long-range communication link."
09:24 <hsn> ok .. but i think loraWan = lora in latency .. almost .. as the internet is much faster and wouldnt be a bottle nick in this .. right ?
10:40 <jjon> not sure what you are saying here, what has internet to do with LoRa?
11:01 <hsn> jjon, u dont know me :D
11:15 <hsn> no one knows what im saying .. almost all the time
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05:50 <T3sl4> oh i should do a -nokick to that too, altho this shows the reason so ???
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56:02 * Halcyon licks electrohead 
56:35 <K> again with the licking
00:57 <Halcyon> :P
01:14 <Halcyon> In case you don't know, I don't actually go around licking people in real life
02:13 <rust_collector> sure
05:26 <Halcyon> So how is everyone?
06:00 <rust_collector> everyone is pretty much ok
07:08 <Halcyon> Good stuff
07:24 <steve30> hi
08:57 <Halcyon> If this new memecoin ever hits over 10 cents, I'll be a very happy man
09:48 <Halcyon> If it ever hits the price of DOGE, I'd have made $2M
10:37 <rust_collector> good luck
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12:21 <Halcyon> Meh, if I lose it all, I've lost under $100
12:27 <Halcyon> I spend more than that on a night out
14:20 <Lemon> hilo
15:24 <Halcyon> Hey Mandarin
16:13 <K> tangerine or mandarin ?
16:37 <Halcyon> Mandrain
16:44 <Halcyon> About the same size as a Lemon, but sweeter
19:03 <K> more about the term
19:18 <K> we use root "mandarin"
19:32 <K> but that sometimes confuses english speakers
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20:38 <Halcyon> I don't understand?
20:50 <Lemon> ho yeah I love mandarines
21:44 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
21:55 <Halcyon> Mandarin's are smaller than tangerines
21:56 <Lemon> morninings
22:31 <Halcyon> These are the citrus fruits we have: https://shop.coles.com.au/a/lithgow/everything/search/citrus?pageNumber=1
23:47 <rust_collector> Coles Online is not available in your country or access has been blocked.
23:49 <rust_collector> hah
24:01 <Halcyon> Cunts
24:10 <Ysjoelfir> yes, same here
24:25 <Lemon> same but its ok, im a lemon
24:26 <Halcyon> https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/browse/fruit-veg/fruit/citrus-fruit
24:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - Woolworths Supermarket - Buy Groceries Online
24:50 <Lemon> so Ysjoelfir, slept well ? :>
25:29 <Ysjoelfir> that works. But I have to say that woolworth was a market chain mostly selling clothes and... random shit here in germanistan, which irritated me just a slight bit
25:55 <Ysjoelfir> Melon: Yes, I did. well, sort of. I woke up like a thousand times, and had VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERY strange dreams.
26:14 <Halcyon> I had weird dreams last night too
26:15 <rust_collector> whoa! the kraut is pissed off! irritated a slight bit.... yes
26:50 <Halcyon> I dreamt that a colleague of mine was committing armed robberies of banks, but was using my car.
27:18 <rust_collector> they still have cash in banks down there?
27:57 <Halcyon> Most banks do yes.
28:04 <Halcyon> I guess some people still use cash??
28:06 <Halcyon> I don't nkow
28:06 <rust_collector> here, if you robbed a bank, you would be lucky if you got someones lunch
28:58 <rust_collector> you can get cash in stores and such, but a bank is just an office you go to to ask for loans and such
28:58 <Lemon> aye strange dreams I can relate
29:01 <Halcyon> There are still some very large banks here with huge vaults of cash, gold and other things
29:20 <Halcyon> But you as a customer can go deposit or withdraw cash if you wanted to over the counter.
29:28 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir I think you managed to make me buy that sweet probemaster set :P
29:39 <Halcyon> But for the most part, people use card for payments here
29:49 <Halcyon> Also, this guy is extremely talented: https://youtu.be/XNHdEY8tpNY?t=356
29:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Malaysia Street Food Jonker Walk
30:08 <Halcyon> Just watch it for 30 seconds or so
32:48 <Ysjoelfir> good, good, Lemon!
33:56 <Lemon> just the big pack, micro tips on top of that is a bit too much for now x)
34:02 <Halcyon> Is that like "Ice, ice, baby!" ?
34:05 <Lemon> well, even the big pack isnt reasonnable xd
34:14 <Ysjoelfir> yes, pretty much that Halcyon
34:18 <Halcyon> Heh
34:42 <Ysjoelfir> so... I just wanted to calculate the insurance costs for an old car I consider buying for mrs. spouse to train with, to get more comfortable doing the drivers license
34:57 <Ysjoelfir> its a VW Polo 86C with 45 PS from 1992.
35:06 <Halcyon> PS ?
35:10 <rust_collector> hp
35:12 <Ysjoelfir> *HP
35:14 <Halcyon> Ah
35:21 <rust_collector> almost hp
35:26 <Halcyon> What's it in kW ?
35:32 <Ysjoelfir> 33
35:36 <rust_collector> not much
35:37 <Halcyon> Right
36:04 <Ysjoelfir> cheapest insurance I found is fucking 400€ per year if I add that to my vehicle pool, which makes it already having only a 60% rate
36:29 <Halcyon> If you were in Australia, I would give you a good deal on my Volvo I'm selling.
36:36 <rust_collector> those are pretty weird cars
36:42 <Halcyon> 186 kW @ 5500 rpm
37:06 <Ysjoelfir> I assume that one would be a bit big for her. I especially need a teeny tiny car. she's only 1.53
37:18 <Halcyon> 400 Nm at 2000-3500 rpm
37:25 <rust_collector> but... whyyyyy a -92 polo, out of all things?
37:33 <Ysjoelfir> because size and price, rusty
37:53 <rust_collector> 1.53? I did not notice she was standing all the time,
38:03 <Halcyon> This is my car I'm selling: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/volvo-s60-2016/sse-ad-6934718/
38:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - carsales.com.au
38:09 <Ysjoelfir> you can't realy get anything cheap in germany anymore since our government literally payd people to turn totally good cars into scrapmetal a few years ago
38:52 <rust_collector> yeah, but... I mean, the around 2000 polo should be dirt dirt cheap. Imo, the 92 is much cooler tho
40:06 <rust_collector> heh, moms cousin is pretty short, so they have to build a box under the seat of every car she buys.
40:30 <Ysjoelfir> the 2000 polo is roughly the same in price. and it looks like a candy that someone was licking for hours, while the 86c still looks like a car :D
40:34 <Ysjoelfir> lol
40:39 <Halcyon> Hahahaha
40:52 <rust_collector> yes, but can you get parts for the 92 one?
41:03 <Ysjoelfir> yes
41:08 <Halcyon> I guess if you're going to by a Volkswagen, you'd buy an old one
41:14 <Halcyon> The new ones are a bit poo
41:55 <Halcyon> Same as Audi, I've never buy a newer model
41:59 <Ysjoelfir> brb, I just remembered that I went shopping like... an hour ago and still haven't put the frozen stuff into the freezer.
42:07 <Halcyon> Hah, bad boy
42:35 <rust_collector> every vw between when they lost the edges, until 2005 or so is pretty crap. the newer ones are actually not that bad, but i still hate them, just in general
43:33 <Halcyon> Everyone I know who has owned a modern VW has had quite major issues with them. Not just 1 or 2 people, but maybe 4 or 5... and the after-sales service (here) is awful.
43:44 <rust_collector> yes
43:50 <Halcyon> Usually gearbox and ECU related issues
43:54 <rust_collector> yes
44:17 <Halcyon> My ex boyfriend bought a new Amarok, the day we picked it up from the dealer (brand new) it threw oil warnings about an hour later.
44:29 <rust_collector> get a real gearbox.
44:36 <rust_collector> amarok, that is the pickup?
44:48 <Halcyon> Then, sometimes, when you reverse from a driveway then select "D", it refuses to go into any kind of gear that moves forward. You have to literally turn it off and back on again to get it to move.
44:53 <Halcyon> Yes
45:12 <Halcyon> VW claimed they "couldn't find a fault"
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45:38 <rust_collector> well, that happens, lol. take it to someone who know what they are doing
45:50 <Halcyon> Oh it went back several times
46:04 <rust_collector> to someone who knows what they are doing?
46:08 <Halcyon> They ended up replacing all the control modules relating to the drive train and never got to the bottom of it
46:21 <rust_collector> I take that as a no
46:24 <Halcyon> It was sold to some poor sucker. I hope that car doesn't exist anymore.
46:56 <Halcyon> But yeh another friend and his girlfriend had a Golf and a Polo, both had gearbox problems.
47:29 <rust_collector> I have only tried one a little bit. and it was a very capable pickup, for dragging trailers. I won't say anything about reliability
47:45 <Halcyon> Oh, they are great cars (when they work)
48:35 <Halcyon> The Amarok was actually lovely to drive
49:44 <Ysjoelfir> re
49:58 <rust_collector> one company I used to go to a lot, had one, they use it to deliver excavator buckets. it has a lot of oomph, and seems stable and nice. but yes, I am not a fan of the dsg boxes
50:07 <Ysjoelfir> if you are interested, that is the polo I am interested in: https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/verkaufe-vw-polo-86c-2f-steilheck-5-gang-tuev-02-23/1723881086-216-8256
50:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
50:19 <Halcyon> Heheh cute
50:35 <Halcyon> Simple and easy to service
50:54 <Halcyon> I love the simple LED indicators on the dash
51:08 <Ysjoelfir> those aren't LED actually :P
51:09 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir if you want something else to look at, the pug 106/citroen ax it actually not bad, and super simple to work on.
51:11 <Ysjoelfir> well, not entirely
51:20 <Halcyon> Bulbs?
51:34 <Ysjoelfir> they are LEDs, except from the high beam one. thats a bulb with a blue cover
51:47 <Halcyon> Because blue LEDs didn't exist then?
52:05 <Ysjoelfir> exactly halcyon^^ rusty, I look into them, thanks :)
52:27 <rust_collector> very simple, and should be cheap, as they always were cheap
52:28 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/vw-polo-86c-steilheck-tuev-12-22-euro-2-neue-sommerreifen/1744453907-216-8882 that one here I was also interested in, it would be the perfect color for mrs. spouse, but its reservated right now
52:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Error Page
52:48 <rust_collector> that old polo does look ok, from up here....
54:03 <Ysjoelfir> those frenchistanian things tend to come in.... interesting color compositions
55:56 <Halcyon> Not as terrible as Subaru's stupid "earth tone" colours
56:01 <Halcyon> Some of them look like baby poo
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56:43 <K> koppii
56:45 <Halcyon> https://www.subaru.com/vehicles/outback/gallery.html
56:47 <EEVBot> [Title] - 2021 Subaru Outback - Photos & Videos | Subaru
56:57 <Halcyon> They look bloody awful and probably have terrible resale value
58:10 <rust_collector> one guy at work had a legacy.... which has a different name down there, it had a very very special blue, that was imo very pretty. but yes, most are very... heh
58:25 <rust_collector> meh?
58:52 <Halcyon> Not only in looks but the performance is a bit "meh" too
59:09 <Halcyon> We had a new Outback at work, it was the tinniest most horrible car I drove
59:28 <Halcyon> And that bloody iSight garbage they have... it was going off prematurely at everything
59:46 <rust_collector> well, in some ways. but they do tend to go where you need to go, and back. and if you get a turbo one, they don't leak too much oil either
00:10 <Halcyon> I wouldn't want my car leaking ANY oil
00:13 <rust_collector> isight? some kind of crash warning stuff?
01:11 <rust_collector> I am sure that can be turned off easily enough. all this "aid" stuff is the most annoying crap
02:04 <Halcyon> Yeh it's their lane departure/autonomous braking/cruise controlly type system
02:16 <Halcyon> It's all based off optical cameras I believe
02:18 <rust_collector> In the trucks at work, I automatically turn off all that, when I start. because you can not drive like a normal person with it on.
02:19 <Halcyon> And it's a bit crap
02:43 <Halcyon> At least Volvo have worked out how not to make it annoying as fuck
03:14 <Halcyon> I find my seat belt tensioner goes off well before any bleeps and bloops, at least that way, you keep your eyes on the road and concentrate on breaking/steering
03:15 <rust_collector> like, they have a thing for seeing things in the way, that does not exist, and they believe they are tipping over all the time, lol
04:19 <Halcyon> I think that's what delays the release of the current models of Subaru's... their "safety" systems were giving false positives
04:32 <Halcyon> Which is not good if you're on a freeway and your car decides it wants to stop randomly
04:51 <rust_collector> yeah, that is annoying
05:50 <rust_collector> I think I will stay with my older things, that just do not have that crap
06:35 <rust_collector> I wish someone would bake a small-ish car, without any extra things at all. just so I can drive to work and back.
06:44 <rust_collector> heh, make, not bake
07:25 * Ysjoelfir is very happy about his volvo
07:55 * Ysjoelfir will probably get another one of that era, if this one ever gets killed by some panzer rolling over it
08:26 <K> get a panzer then
08:42 <rust_collector> he does
10:32 <Ysjoelfir> erm..... so.... no idea what I did now, but for some reason it decided to kill my IRC client
10:37 <coppice> Halcyon: my Volvo's seat tensioners like to exercise themselves over hump backed bridges
13:58 <Lemon> volvos are the best
14:11 <Lemon> I miss my t5 :(
14:20 <Lemon> I regret being cocky and dumb at the same time
14:51 <Halcyon> What kind of Volvo did you have Lemon?
15:03 <Lemon> a 850 t5 sedan :>
15:16 <Lemon> it was in really rough condition, but it was runing well !
15:22 <Lemon> besides the gearbox that is lo
15:55 <Lemon> but yeah I was young, a bit dumb, I drove to fast on small roads I knew well (well speed wasnt the issue there) and I did something like look for my lighter that fell or something, I dont remember
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16:04 <Lemon> saw the curb, saw 150kph
16:19 <Lemon> I tried but it didnt work, did a couple aerials + barrel rolls
16:24 <hsn> Halcyon,
16:26 <Lemon> I did a nice front flip
16:42 <Lemon> not a single bruise, thanks god and volvo
16:57 <Lemon> but the poor volvo on the other hand... people didnt believe I was alive
17:18 <hsn> Lemon, ppl dont believe in u
17:36 <hsn> u should stick with us .. the good people .. we believe in u
19:37 <Lemon> heh thats what im doing :>
20:51 <coppice_> In the good old days Volvos could rely on the other car as their crumple zone, but cars are all getting more crash resistant now
21:26 <Lemon> yes lol
21:30 <Lemon> with those sips shields
21:33 <Lemon> sips ?
21:34 <Lemon> I forgot
21:51 <Ysjoelfir> SIPS
22:07 <Ysjoelfir> Side Impact Protection System
22:48 <Lemon> yes !
23:05 <Lemon> after the 850 I had a s70
23:12 <Lemon> the 140 hp tdi
23:24 <coppice_> Sod It. Pedestrian Squashed.
23:29 <Lemon> it was working well but again, 1k euro car lol
24:00 <Lemon> a long story with this car happenned, I didnt damage it, someone did, it ended up at the junkyard
25:48 <Lemon> anyway
26:06 <Lemon> I realized that im going to pay more for a probe kit than what I paid for the fluke 27/fm lol
26:22 <Ysjoelfir> sounds reasonable to me?
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27:24 <Ysjoelfir> :O steeeeeeeeeeeeeveeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!
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28:11 <Ysjoelfir> oh, there he is
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30:01 <Lemon> yeah and I will use them with my other meter
30:07 <Lemon> the retractable jack is superb
30:26 <Lemon> later I'll buy the micro probe tips if the need comes
30:38 <Lemon> ha but
30:42 <Lemon> im thinking about that
30:51 <Lemon> I'll need to order again on the US website and pay shipping
30:57 <Lemon> as welectron doesnt have the retractable one
32:05 <Lemon> im quite happy on the deal I once made for some probes, for my 540
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32:22 <Lemon> I got a 500Mhz one for 60 euros, and two 300Mhz for like 15 euros each
32:38 <Lemon> I know the 300Mhz wont be enough for the full bandwith, but I dont need it
32:50 <Lemon> I have the other for that, and one day I'll get an active one to complete the set
32:54 <Lemon> not needed right now
33:08 <Lemon> I dread the day where I'll need to replace all smd caps in this badboy
33:20 <Lemon> I can see lines on the screen, no idea what is it from, maybe those caps
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34:05 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, what u understand of this selected text
34:06 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/IQymgc.jpg
34:36 <hsn> heh nvm .. i miss read it ..
34:51 <Ysjoelfir> ok :)
35:34 <Lemon> oof 115 euros with shipping
35:40 <Lemon> 37 usd just for shipping :/
35:46 <hsn> i thought "gi = plate" and "copper = pipe" ..
35:57 <hsn> so things didnt make sense since the pipe is lesser resistance
38:49 <hsn> yea shipping isnt cheap
42:34 <Lemon> but well for that amount
42:47 <Lemon> I have the big pack with all best and whistles + micro tips probes
43:02 <Lemon> all with retractable jacks, so it can be used with all my meters
43:09 * Ampera squeezes Lemon 
43:11 <Lemon> thats an investment
43:15 <Ampera> good morning
44:13 <Lemon> helllo buddy
44:42 <Lemon> https://probemaster.com/8000-series-test-lead-master-kits/ and https://probemaster.com/spring-loaded-micro-tip-test-lead-kit/
44:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Test Lead master kits made in USA | Probe Master
45:26 <Ampera> how are you doing Lemon
45:51 <Lemon> im doing good thanks, 4th day without smoking ! and im comtemplating buying those two probe kits :>
48:03 <Lemon> 115 euros with shipping sounds a lot, but well
48:10 <Lemon> I guess its necessary
48:18 <Lemon> im tired of shitty probes and lack of accessories
52:33 <Ysjoelfir> yes! now is the time to make a change in history of probeism!
56:24 <Lemon> yesh :>
56:37 <Lemon> ho, my wire stripper is at the relay
56:44 <Lemon> but ofc my mother took my car :P
57:24 <Ysjoelfir> you should not strip the wires of relays. that could short out the coil and make the relay non functional
59:49 <Ampera> there is fun with my car
59:59 <Ampera> they're doing work on the garage it's in, so they need to move it out every day to get it out of the way
00:14 <Ampera> but it's been sitting for a year, and somehow the brand new battery in there is now dead
00:30 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder why... :P
00:37 <Ampera> so, I bought one last night and put it in, and it's not starting, which is double fun
00:49 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
00:53 <Ampera> the people who designed my car were geniuses, they put the battery under the washer fluid tank
00:54 * Ampera hugs Halcyon 
01:08 <Ampera> it's also 90's GM so half the car is in metric, the other half in inches
01:12 <Halcyon> Ampera, it's to keep the battery cool and moist
01:17 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
01:24 <Halcyon> I'm OK, how are you?
01:56 <Ampera> at an acceptable baseline of annoyed
02:01 <Ampera> I got the remote console for iLO working on my server
02:12 <Ampera> works pretty good too, I can do everything through it
02:50 <Ampera> my new modular connectors should be coming in, and while I have all the cables I need for now, hopefully those suck less
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03:42 <Ampera> Now comes the fun part when I need to turn a normal FreeBSD install into a Xen hypervisor, and move everything on my server right now to this new server
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04:02 <Ampera> then convert the old server into a storage box (it already is, I'm just swapping cases)
04:28 <Ampera> Supposedly, and I don't know who went after me for it, but Xen is apparently no longer the cool and hip thing to use for virtualization anymore
04:54 <Ampera> everyone's using VMware or KVM apparently, but like I care
07:51 <Halcyon> No one uses VMware anymore
07:54 <Halcyon> It's garbage
08:27 <Lemon> heh I used it a bit
08:27 <Ampera> I believe my work uses vSphere for all of our VMs
08:33 <Lemon> works for what I want, I guess
08:34 <Halcyon> *shudder*
08:39 <Ampera> Xen is ideal for me because it integrates well with FreeBSD (supposedly)
08:44 <Halcyon> Xen is good
08:48 <Halcyon> Proxmox is good
08:50 <Lemon> I just needed to launch a vm to test something :>
09:00 <Halcyon> VMware works (for the most part) if you are willing to pay for it
09:14 <Ampera> My gear doesn't have good ESXi support anyways, which is the only one I'd consider
09:24 <Halcyon> You're SEXi Ampera
09:30 <Ampera> Annoyingly my 10GbE card works in FreeBSD 12.2, but not 13.0
09:58 <Ampera> kernel panics the moment you load the driver module. I still need to get to filing a bug report for that
10:23 <Ampera> but besides that, it's looking like I really got a steal on those cards, because they seem to be working
11:03 <Ampera> I have the fiber I need to run between machines coming in via Amazon in a few days, and once I get my current server down there I can use the DAC cables
32:25 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir I heard that gold plated probes arent good for high voltage stuff, is it true ?
33:53 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno, I am not a metallurgy guy :P
34:14 <Halcyon> Didn't Dave do a video on this?
34:19 <Halcyon> Or part of a video?
34:21 * Ysjoelfir shurgs
38:29 <Ampera> Watch every single one end to end and find out
40:13 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like a very good use of time. well. as long as you stop around eevblog #666, roughly
41:22 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir also im not sure, between angled and straight plugs, for use on the bench/with a handheld dmm : do you have the angled ones ? what do you prefer ?
43:46 <Lemon> I tend to lean on angled ones, for handheld, but for bench use I dont know. Maybe it doesnt matter much, but at that price I want to be sure
43:51 <Ysjoelfir> I have the straight ones. always prefer those.
44:16 <Ysjoelfir> the angled ones only tempt me to wrap the cables around the meter, which is not a good thing to do
44:36 * steve30000 curls up on Halcyon's lap
44:41 <steve30000> sleepy time soon
46:54 <Lemon> ok ! well from what I learnt, and it makes sense, its good to let the probes on the (handheld) meter, you make one loose turn and wrap them. That way you dont wear them by unplugging all the time, and the lose turn is to avoid strain on the connector
49:59 <Lemon> on one hand, straiht is nice on bench meters because the cable isnt bent, like angled ones
50:18 <Lemon> but on another hand, space is tight, and I tend to bump into connectors easily, so straight ones will take more space
59:16 <rust_collector> fix your space!
59:29 <rust_collector> you are not on a sailboat
03:14 <coppice_> maybe he's in space with a solar sail on his boat
03:49 <rust_collector> I have been wondering if he was something similar. sail or not
13:30 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/1931183774.htm take a look at that beauty
13:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
13:49 <Lemon> I cant find much infos besides a similar but smaller model, that uses 0.005% resistors in it
18:49 <Ysjoelfir> ok, rust_collector, I have a little problem
19:24 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir then...fix it?
19:38 <coppice_> Ysjoelfir: consult a doctor
20:16 <rust_collector> if it is really bad, get a lawyer
20:23 <Ysjoelfir> I just went to the lab and wanted to solder the bean cup from the mill.
20:32 <rust_collector> aha
20:35 <coppice_> if its life threatening, get both
20:39 <Ysjoelfir> turned out... it wasn't iron or whatever, it was aluminuminum
20:48 <rust_collector> fun!
20:56 <Ysjoelfir> so... no soldering. also, guess how I found out
21:16 <rust_collector> so, you have to keep the oxygen away, you can solder aluminimum
21:35 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but... I would need to get a new... erm.... tuby piece of the funnel.
22:09 <rust_collector> did it go on fire a bit?
22:33 <Ysjoelfir> no, but it was like "nope, not taking any solder... nope, still not.... nope... ok, fuck this I just melt."
23:12 <rust_collector> so, did this turn into a more... make something that works, than a cleanup and light restoration....
24:03 <Ysjoelfir> I more orl ess assumed that it will be like that for the bean cup, even before I started, but I would have loved to be incorrect on that one xD
24:34 <rust_collector> so, did it turn into a blob? or..
24:57 <Ysjoelfir> pretty much, yes :D at least the broken off tuby bit. the funel/cup itself is still fine.
26:09 <Ysjoelfir> I consider getting some aluminuthing round stock and turn a two piece.... "adapter" from which one part goes into the mill and the other part goes inside that first part, basically clamping the cup between those
26:45 <rust_collector> mmkay..... does it have any weird shapes, or? any mounting things, or locking tabs or anything? is it just a tube that you stuff into a hole?
27:03 <Ysjoelfir> yep, nothing more than a tube
27:12 <rust_collector> oh good
28:56 <rust_collector> well, that should work. what diameter is it?
29:14 <Ysjoelfir> I guess roughly 5cm, didn't measure it yet
29:20 <rust_collector> right
29:50 <rust_collector> hmm, didn't you try cutting threads on that little lathe, a while ago?
30:19 <Ysjoelfir> nope, but it should, in theory, be able to do that.
30:37 <rust_collector> yes, it should, especially on chewing gum
30:44 <Ysjoelfir> xD
30:56 <rust_collector> I mean aluminium
31:03 <rust_collector> same same
33:15 <rust_collector> yes, make a pipe the funnel can sit on top of, and a shallow funnel that threads into that... should be a good fix, I think
33:40 <Ysjoelfir> I think so. and a nice project to practice my lathe skills
34:48 <rust_collector> or you can set up your tig, and hand-3dprint a new part... just to work on your weldingness
35:11 <Ysjoelfir> for that I would need a tig welder first :P
35:23 <rust_collector> and ac one
35:38 <Ysjoelfir> nah, I just quickly swap the leads a few times per second
36:22 <rust_collector> yeah, I have a similar problem. all my welders are dc... so I can not be bothered with tig welding anything
38:43 <rust_collector> i did make a coupler/adapter for the gas hose on the wire feed machine yesterday. so that might make me use that a bit again
39:21 <rust_collector> but now I am sure all my work for it will be galvanized, so I end up going for flux core anyway
39:33 <Ysjoelfir> one has to force himself from time to time, right?
39:35 <Ysjoelfir> lol
42:01 <rust_collector> it will be nice to use gas again. I did so little sheet stuff for so long, and my bottle went missing, and blahblah, so I have just made do with the fluxcore crap.
42:38 <rust_collector> maybe I can make some non-ugly stuff again
42:43 <Ysjoelfir> I heard a few times that fluxcore has gotten pretty useable?
42:59 <rust_collector> it is not bad. but...it is still flux core
43:34 <rust_collector> for thin sheet stuff, it is just too little metal, and too much heat
43:53 <Ysjoelfir> I see
45:21 <rust_collector> you can do it, but it takes a bit of trying things, and it will never be as good as solid wire and gas. unless it is some zink coated crap, flux core does well on that.
45:49 <rust_collector> but that is usually not the thinnest stuff
45:56 <rust_collector> oh well
47:44 <rust_collector> I notice that part of me wants to make you make that thing in stainless
47:59 <Ysjoelfir> I... doubt that I would be able to do that :P
48:09 <rust_collector> but I like you too much, I think.
48:24 <rust_collector> you can. but it is not as easy
48:29 <Ysjoelfir> I even doubt that I will manage to make that alu thing xD
48:47 <rust_collector> we will see, you can do it
48:58 <Ysjoelfir> I try at least.
49:16 <Ysjoelfir> I have a piece of AL roundstock that should be thick enough
49:21 <rust_collector> keep your tools sharp and honed and lubed with something
49:41 <K> lard!
49:50 <rust_collector> that could work
50:09 <Ysjoelfir> but I am not quite sure how I would make it a good fit to the funnels shape.
51:19 <rust_collector> I was thinking about how to do the joint between the old and new part, without a big step, that will keep your drugs from going in
52:14 <Ysjoelfir> That will be the hard part
52:27 <Ysjoelfir> well, one could always just make an outer part and rivet the funnel in place xD
52:44 <Ysjoelfir> maybe with some copper rivets that could even look kind of not that shitty
53:13 <rust_collector> yes, that would look like crap
53:58 <rust_collector> not really, but I don't think it would look right on that thing.
54:14 <rust_collector> but otoh, a melted blob does not look right either
54:20 <Ysjoelfir> It will probably never look right xD
54:30 <Ysjoelfir> hmm
54:35 <Ysjoelfir> even better idea maybe:
54:39 <Ysjoelfir> just make an INNER part.
54:41 <rust_collector> you could use aluminium rivets. or just glue the thing on
55:08 <Ysjoelfir> like cut the funnel to a flush end. make an inner part and glue that in place. so from the outside you wouldn't even see the new part, or just very little of it
55:59 <rust_collector> yeah, maybe
56:10 <Ysjoelfir> hmmmm... I think that idea could work the best. I should try that
56:45 <Ysjoelfir> would also be the easiest in regards of the shape, as getting something fit visually good to the outside of the original piece sounds like a pretty big pita
59:02 <rust_collector> I don't really remember what the "bucket" looks like. is it round in the funnel part, or is it more conical-ish?
01:09 <Ysjoelfir> I'd call that conical https://drive.google.com/file/d/14wQ933_kdIilfDCMJ3dH_3hkIIB01xGk/view?usp=sharing
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02:13 <rust_collector> bullet shaped
02:56 <rust_collector> that is so steep, that I think a mix of the first and last ideas would work
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05:59 <Ysjoelfir> dammit, my stock is 35mm and the hole is 34.8. that would be a very small lip, I think I need to either get more alu or use the 50mm nylon round I have flying around. maybe not the worst idea to use that?
07:17 <rust_collector> that would be bad, but it would be good for prototyping
07:33 <rust_collector> if it is temporary enough, it will last forever
07:41 <Ysjoelfir> :P
08:49 <rust_collector> heh, the neighbors are trying to do things again
09:05 <Ysjoelfir> ew, things
09:34 <rust_collector> one has a broken trailer, but no hitch on the car, and the other one has a car with a hitch, and no idea of how to use it. it is very entertaining
09:52 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D I can assume
10:33 <rust_collector> we have a cartoon called knoll og tott. I don't remember the foreign name for it
11:03 <rust_collector> yeah, the katzenjammer kids
11:18 <rust_collector> anyway, we call these people knott og lol
11:42 <Ysjoelfir> hehe, I like that somehow. :)
12:58 <rust_collector> knott can be a knob, or a small piece of wood (or other material)
14:45 <rust_collector> ok, my noodle flavoured chilli soup is ready
16:22 <Ysjoelfir> both sound like a good way to call them xD also, noodle and chilli. hmm.... I like the idea.
16:57 <rust_collector> I wonder if you could roll the edge of a pipe, to act as a "socket" for that.
18:34 <rust_collector> this gunk is 80% chilli powder 3% chicken noodles, and the rest has to be msg
19:47 <Ysjoelfir> ermpf.... no idea?
19:52 <Ysjoelfir> and we love msg. perfect.
21:09 <rust_collector> aluminium can be tricky to expand, it tends to crack... but I think it could be done with a ball hammer and time. a little bit at a time
21:32 <Ysjoelfir> sounds like a very big lot of work
21:37 <rust_collector> nah
22:00 <rust_collector> it is just one small pipe?
22:54 <rust_collector> just tapping it out round and round and round
23:23 <Ysjoelfir> hmm.... well, I would need a pipe at first to do that.
23:33 <rust_collector> that is a thing
23:39 <rust_collector> 35mm?
23:51 <Ysjoelfir> yep
23:52 <rust_collector> hmm, look at local vacuum cleaners
24:37 <rust_collector> some of the never half cheap ones uses aluminium pipes, and I think they are close to 35mm
24:39 * Ysjoelfir is going to raid the neighbors closets
24:52 <Ysjoelfir> mine has a stell pipe though
25:12 <rust_collector> just cut a hatch in the wall, inside the closet.
27:07 <rust_collector> Lemon how would you make a monochromatic light box?
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42:12 <stormy> Can anyone please help me, I've been waiting to have my account enabled for almost three weeks now. I emailed Dave from two seperate email addresses, but haven't heard anything :(
42:20 <stormy> (for the forum)
42:27 <stormy> username: stormy
42:49 <rust_collector> Halcyon do you have anything you can do about that?
43:40 <rust_collector> stormy the forum has had issues, so maybe that is part of it. but they should at least answer your mail, I guess
44:47 <stormy> ok, I was just worried that Daves email was marking me as spam or something
44:54 <stormy> im sure hes a busy guy
45:01 <rust_collector> that could be, I don't know, lol
45:31 <rust_collector> but yes, the forum has has some serious issues in the last few weeks.
46:00 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir do you know if anyone here has anything to do with the forum?
46:40 <Ysjoelfir> ermpfffff.... is gnif here? I think he has atleast something to do with the server thingies.
47:12 <rust_collector> it says he is.... well, we will see.
47:23 <stormy> ok guys, I appreciate it
47:29 <stormy> thanks for being so responsive :)
47:57 <rust_collector> hey, it is a thing we don't have anythign to do with, so we will get right on that, lol
48:10 <stormy> haha
48:18 <stormy> ok sorry, my assumptions ;0
48:58 <stormy> I just thought there may have been someone who could post something for me, if they have a forum account.
49:05 <stormy> that is all :)
49:19 <rust_collector> sure. I will, if no one here can do anything
49:27 <stormy> thank you mr rust
50:06 <stormy> ill hop out now, just inside the browser window. catchya later
50:13 <stormy> an thanks again
50:21 <rust_collector> ok, have fun
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