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00:38 <K> did look for a ready-made fixture pallet, but those are in USA and paying for shipping a piece of alu across ocean does not spark joy.
01:23 <rust_collector> shipping anything less than a container of stuff from the us does not
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36:36 <Reg7805> hello everyone
37:27 <Reg7805> i have something to share > https://snipboard.io/GSENnh.jpg
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37:54 <Reg7805> this is student from the collge studying engineering
38:12 <K> he dumb
38:13 <Reg7805> bloody free energy youtube crap
38:28 <rust_collector> yeah, that would take some time, and loads of money
38:52 <Reg7805> impossible
39:34 <rust_collector> nope, it would be easy to use loads of time and money on that
39:36 <K> lots of time and money
39:36 <Lemon> ayeee just received my "e-writing board"
40:31 <Reg7805> great project to burn money on :)
40:43 <Reg7805> this is sad
40:50 <rust_collector> I got a crankshaft, and bearings today. time to bring the scale out to the garage, and get to balancing things
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44:55 <Reg7805> i havent found anymore free energy in his project yet
45:22 <rust_collector> that is not important
45:31 <Lemon> nice motor btw lol
45:46 <Lemon> I really wonder why nobody built one yet
46:06 <rust_collector> they did, but did not get enough money to fund it
47:26 <Lemon> ha yes its really expensive
47:36 <Lemon> it generates free energy but it cost infinite money
47:59 <rust_collector> infinite³
48:06 <Reg7805> need to start building my fusion reactor
48:27 <rust_collector> hmm, how is that going down there in france?
48:38 <rust_collector> I look it up every few years
48:54 <rust_collector> last time, they had the floor ready, I think
49:36 <Lemon> in france ? ho well
49:44 <Lemon> idk, im not looking up either
50:01 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly3qSdbYP1M
50:02 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Inside The $65 Billion Power Plant Of The Future (ITER)
50:05 <Reg7805> a british company is claming they have it running 2025 if i remember correct
52:32 <rust_collector> ok, that was a crappy video
53:01 <Lemon> fusion reactors ? I heard more about 2040 I think
54:15 <Reg7805> or i think it was nuclear fission
55:13 <Reg7805> i looked it up looks like 2040 but everywere is diffrent > it think all the artciles are copy paste
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01:27 <Lemon> yeah because they have no idea
01:38 <Lemon> and journalists ask them "when ????"
04:21 <Lemon> lol im really happy about that tablet thingie
04:37 <Lemon> im sure my mother will want one
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14:13 <Lemon> ha, no fluke 8800a for me
14:32 <Lemon> another guy checking "online paiement + delivery" that infact dont want to send it/be paid online
18:42 <rust_collector> arrrgh, I got the wrong bearings... or crank, depending on how you see it
19:43 <rust_collector> so, todays project turned to finding some kind of 32 bit linux for the old box ouot in the garage
23:19 <K> that is old
24:18 <rust_collector> uh, yes
24:30 <rust_collector> core duo
25:02 <rust_collector> I am thinking about putting a core2duo in it, but in one way, I like its crappiness
26:06 <Lemon> hmm I remember a distro that was fitting on a floppy disk
26:11 <Lemon> a 1.4mb one, that is
26:17 <Lemon> colibri ?
26:18 <rust_collector> 1.44, yes
26:28 <rust_collector> colibri is not linux, I think
26:48 <rust_collector> but I think the old dsl maybe fit a floppy
32:05 <Lemon> I still need to get a proper breadboard, digikey wants a TVA number for prepaid custom fees
32:09 <Lemon> so I couldnt order
32:56 <Ysjoelfir> just type in there "none"?
33:09 <Ysjoelfir> or even better, put your general tax number in there
33:34 <K> core2duo is 64 bit at least
33:57 <rust_collector> it is quite a bit more snappy too.
34:07 <K> prolly yea
34:19 <Lemon> I tried, but you get a list of registered entreprises
34:22 <Ampera> rust_collector, looks like debian still has 32-bit support
34:29 <Lemon> I thought about putting a random one, but well
34:31 <Ampera> archlinux32 is a thing, but it's not the best ever
34:31 <Lemon> im not a fan :>
34:32 <rust_collector> it does
34:51 <Lemon> and I dont have a general tax number
36:01 <Ysjoelfir> https://img.memecdn.com/I-am-not-a-BIG-FAN_o_25018.jpg this is lemon
36:14 <Lemon> :>
36:43 <Lemon> im thinking about making my own dupont wires, with silicone wire etc
36:44 <Ysjoelfir> and why don't you have a tax numer? you are a person, aren't you? oO
36:54 <Lemon> yes ? but I mean, we dont have that here
37:00 <Ysjoelfir> strange
37:00 <Lemon> how does it looks ?
37:05 <Lemon> maybe its called differently
37:42 <rust_collector> up here we have "person number" it is the birth date, and some numbers on the end
38:16 <Ysjoelfir> yep, you have that here as well, and if you send in a tax.... thing, you get a real tax number
38:19 <Lemon> yes thats our social number
38:47 <rust_collector> I think we just use that for everything, lol
38:48 <Lemon> its used in pharmacies for example, or for various social aids
39:02 <Lemon> but I never heard it was used as a tva number
39:12 <Lemon> to get a tva number you need to own a firm here
39:18 <Lemon> a firm or whatever is it called in english
41:35 <Lemon> anyway
41:42 <Lemon> I see you can buy kits of dupont connectors
41:47 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.hellotax.com/blog/taxation/vat-id/france/
41:48 <EEVBot> [Title] - VAT ID France: All about the French VAT Identification Number | hellotax
41:58 <Ampera> I thought you said you can buy kits of donuts
41:58 <Lemon> but can you find "quality" ones, not the ones that comes with cheapo wires ?
41:59 <Ampera> :/
42:11 * Ampera makes a Lemon jelly doughnut
43:03 <Lemon> a yes the "intracommunautaire" thingie, I knew about it, thats indeed what you get when you have a buisness
43:13 <Lemon> a jelly donut heh
43:32 <Ysjoelfir> they wrote you can get that free of charge. so... just apply for one? maybe you get that as a private person as well
44:35 <Lemon> free of charge if you are registered at the thing that list buisnesses
44:44 <Lemon> well its "possible" if you are listed there
44:51 <Ysjoelfir> then get listed! :D
45:01 <Lemon> but I wont create a buisness for that dude xd
45:04 <Lemon> its not that easy
45:09 <Ysjoelfir> is it not?
45:26 <Ysjoelfir> over here we just go to the local office, pay 22 euros and boom, you're a business
45:30 <Lemon> nah, I will have to fullfill tons of paper, probably pay for some stuff here and there, get insurance and so on
45:40 <Ysjoelfir> ew
45:51 <Lemon> yeah well even if it was 22 euros, I'd rather pay the 25 euros custom fees :>
46:08 <Lemon> or maybe not, if I have to use it multiple times
46:10 <Lemon> ho well
46:35 <Ysjoelfir> ok, I buy you that breadboard and send it over the next time I order on digikey for a small fee ;P
47:55 <Lemon> thats very nice of you, but I doubt it will be worthwhile, shipping wise :/ buuuut, you still need to give me that list of things you want to sell :>
48:11 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, that will sadly take more time
48:17 <Lemon> and you know how easy it is to create needs for me XD
48:36 <Ysjoelfir> I should consider making some needs, erm, create the list quickly
48:51 <Lemon> hehe :>
49:16 <Lemon> yeah those days im getting stuff from my big list of wantedthingies, and add more stuff, aswell
49:28 <Lemon> I still got some cash from the gtx 1080
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55:52 <Lemon> farnell got the twin industries kit, for 46 euros
57:01 <Lemon> 60, it was without taxes
57:04 <Lemon> damn
57:23 <Lemon> and its not even in stock, anyway
58:30 <Lemon> and damn, 10 euros for a 10 jumper pack !
03:43 <Ampera> Lemon, btw, at some point I will be moving the ZNC over to the new server and you might get kicked off it. When I do, it should only be a few minutes interruption at most
04:05 <Lemon> ho noooooooooo
04:19 <Lemon> how will I do during those few minutes ??? :(
04:31 <Ampera> I have a few more things I need to do before I start moving stuff, but it might all be done by this evening (my time)
04:53 <Lemon> im joking, no worries :>
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36:43 <rust_collector> Lemon you will be on ali, so... don't worry
16:24 <Ysjoelfir> you can buy lemons on ali?
24:13 <Ampera> if you want month old lemons in a month
36:17 <Lemon> lol so the fluke guy ofc said "im not sending it sorry" as expected, I tell him "ok then please cancel the trade" (as he accepted it) he send me a message "I cancel the trade, cordially blabla"
36:28 <Lemon> dude I know you cancel it, the website doesnt x d
40:11 <Lemon> and I won a nice kit I bidded on a week ago, on ebay, of mueller crocodile clips
40:28 <Lemon> 6 small pure copper ones, and like 10-12 bigger ones of two different types
40:42 <Lemon> for 8 euros delivered, thats neat, the price of one is 5 euros
40:55 <Lemon> I'll be able to make some nice test leads with them
43:09 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, I am watching a documentation about napoleon. what do you, as a legitimate frenchman, thing about that guy? is he your hero?
43:35 <Ysjoelfir> documentary? whatever. a "movie" about the guy.
46:35 <Lemon> hmmm lets say he built the base of our "code", our laws, which was one law for everything, and he did many great things
46:45 <Lemon> he was over the top military speaking, too
47:01 <Lemon> overall, I'd say yes, he is more on the hero side
05:36 <Ysjoelfir> ok, thanks :) according to this documentary he was a bit of a maniac
07:05 <Ysjoelfir> also, T3sl4... I am no RF pro... I used the saturnPCB calculator to calculate the impedance of a antenna feedline. according to the application that feedline should be 2.3mm thick. that looks.... pretty stupid. But does that sound legit for standard FR4 with 1.541mm?
07:51 <T3sl4> yes?
07:52 <Lemon> yeah he was a tough guy
07:53 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/d8rCpi.jpg
08:18 <T3sl4> i mean it's your fault for using no inner planes
08:20 <T3sl4> :P
09:05 <Ysjoelfir> ok, thanks :) just wanted to make sure that there is no hidden mistake :P and well.. its the fault of mr. customer who is a cheapskate^^
09:26 <Lemon> somebody knows the brand "roline" ? :>
09:38 <Lemon> I saw this thingie, and I was always curious about luxmeters https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1984278688.htm
09:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
14:31 <Lemon> I compared its specs to 3-400 euros + models and it doesnt look shaby at all
15:37 <Ysjoelfir> i have the same. it works
16:31 <Lemon> really ?
16:36 <Lemon> like, exact same model ? :>
17:00 <Ysjoelfir> pretty much afaik.
17:28 <Lemon> heh neat ! I really know nothing about those things, how accurate they are, what is achievable, etc
17:35 <Lemon> and at 20-25 euros, heh why not
18:05 <Lemon> I always wanted one to verify if my car's light will pass the annual verification
18:12 <Lemon> when we polish them
18:34 <Lemon> I have to find the minimum value but I guess thats avalaible online
34:13 <Ysjoelfir> for that it should be enough I think
34:30 <Ysjoelfir> also Lemon, what other frenchistanian guys do you think I should watch documentaries of?
34:31 <rust_collector> Lemon why don't you try to find a lenovo carbon x1 3rd gen or newer, for less than 500 euros in the normandie area?
34:54 <Lemon> hehhh why that rusty ?
35:08 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir hmmm de gaulle ? :>
35:09 <rust_collector> I have a guy there looking for one.
35:30 <Lemon> 500 sounds cheap no ?
35:36 <rust_collector> yes
37:19 <Lemon> well the laptop market in france (second hand) is always overpriced for newish stuff
37:23 <Lemon> so that will be hard im afraid
38:07 <hsn> yes
38:16 <hsn> hello peeps :>
38:17 <EEVBot> Hello, hsn!
38:24 <rust_collector> hey you
38:27 <Lemon> oyoyo
38:32 <hsn> how u is going
38:41 <rust_collector> no
38:45 <hsn> yea
39:28 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir maybe you should look at descartes, because I don't think there was anyone else from france
40:55 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, congratz me
41:34 <Ysjoelfir> what is a de gaulle, Lemon? and congratulations, hsn!
41:57 <Ysjoelfir> also... descartes.. sounds like something you should discard xD
42:19 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, i got my first upwork reply .. although he disappeared after lol
42:23 <Lemon> Charles De Gaulle :>
42:27 <rust_collector> de gaulle was one of the president people, I thinks
42:29 <Lemon> check him !
42:32 <Lemon> yes
42:48 <rust_collector> I guess he was one of the more interesting one of those
42:57 <Lemon> yeah an OG
42:59 <hsn> tbh cant say disappeared .. he is offline .. for less than 24H ..
43:47 <rust_collector> oh no, he is just using a different user.. he is watching you sweat
43:58 <Ysjoelfir> hsn, lol, same for me now :P T3sl4 hinted me to an job offer involving power meters. the guy accepted, wanted to send me a "to do" list, and now he's gone
44:30 <Lemon> seems high accuracy for luxmeter is extremely hard to achieve, and thats understandable considering how many factors there is
45:57 <hsn> rust_collector: its only 70$ job
46:07 <Lemon> according to some stuff I read, the meter I linked is quite nice, specwise
46:32 <rust_collector> hsn well, it is not, if you don't get it
46:46 <rust_collector> why does he want to hire you for hald an hour?
47:19 <hsn> rust_collector: i can wipe my sweat with the 70$
47:21 <hsn> Lol
47:42 <hsn> Nah .. its job wise not hourly wise .. simple thing .. i think
47:44 <rust_collector> I guess, unless you have that fancy modern plastic money
48:01 <rust_collector> if it is 70, it better be done in an hour
48:04 <hsn> And also .. 70$ in sandistan is high rate
48:15 <rust_collector> sure.
48:43 <hsn> I get around 70$ per day in my full time job
48:43 <rust_collector> what sort of thing is it?
49:07 <hsn> Convert arduino platformio project to atmel studio one
49:23 <rust_collector> hmmm, that sounds doable
50:19 <hsn> Yeah it should be figuring out where all code are .. in platformio .. and how compiler script does work .. and then do it in atmel thingy
51:53 <hsn> The ideal situation is to waste a full day in my shitty company solving this guy's issue ..
52:02 <hsn> Then its two birds with one stone
52:28 <hsn> Because im angry from my company these days ..
52:59 <rust_collector> you should also grab your boss lunch, and make him watch you eat it
53:01 <hsn> So that will make me less angry and start feeling bad and get bad to slavary pace again
53:13 <hsn> Indian launch ?
53:25 <hsn> With all the spices
53:32 <hsn> What am i .. a halycon?
53:34 <hsn> XD
53:43 <rust_collector> maybe some day?
54:12 <hsn> Probably
54:32 <hsn> Monday i ll ask him to buy me a launch
54:34 <rust_collector> if it makes him more uncomfortable, hang him off the roof by his shoelaces, and go one floor down, and eat his lunch
54:34 <hsn> Im broke
54:41 <hsn> He loves paying
55:07 <hsn> No he is good man
55:19 <rust_collector> awwwww, that is no fun
55:20 <hsn> He buys me launch on Mondays
56:13 <hsn> Well its "our order day" but he kept offering and insisted to pay i think its getting hard for him to pull that lol
57:46 <Ysjoelfir> od damn it, that gaulles guy had a fat nose o.o
00:18 <rust_collector> you are looking at obelix. I mean depardieu
01:04 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/y9o95ReJYzn8LjBo7 lol
01:14 <Ysjoelfir> lol
01:41 <rust_collector> awesome
01:42 <Ysjoelfir> I actually like gerard depardieu
01:52 <rust_collector> I actually like pancakes
02:11 <Ysjoelfir> lol
02:17 <rust_collector> but he has a sturdy nose
03:51 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir do you happen do know this brand ? https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1779545649.htm?ac=2404136686
03:53 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
04:56 <Lemon> seems to be a high end german brand, making light measurement devices
05:01 <Ysjoelfir> no direct idea, though LMT does somehow ring a bell.... but it has a Schlafaugentaster for the power! so it is awesome no matter what!
06:01 <rust_collector> there is an lmt making more mechanical things... I have no idea if that is the same company
06:02 <Lemon> ha schlafaugenstaster ? :>
06:16 <Lemon> looking at how priced their devices are, im tempted by getting it
06:56 <Ysjoelfir> Schlafaugentaster would translate to.... sleeping eye button. because it looks like an eye opening/closing if you push it
07:02 <rust_collector> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1961507199.htm you shoudl get that, so you can chargeur your piles
07:03 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
07:20 <Lemon> the one top right ?
07:27 <Ysjoelfir> yes
07:43 <Lemon> I think I will get this thing :>
07:50 <Lemon> idk but something tells me its a high end device
07:54 <Lemon> well, maybe not high end
08:03 <Lemon> but it was surely super expensive and much better than a cheapo
08:10 <rust_collector> if nothing else, it is a nice box
08:23 <Lemon> lol yeah
08:38 <Lemon> and it seems to give quite a nice resolution, past 0
08:44 <Lemon> which is only on expensive ones from what I saw
08:55 <Lemon> most do 0.1, 0.01, this one does 0.001
09:10 <Lemon> not that I will need that, but maybe its another proof of how good it potentially is
10:02 <Lemon> 34.7 delivered, paid ! we'll see if the seller actually send it, and blabla blabla as usual
10:20 <rust_collector> you should get into high precision measuring tapes.
10:45 <Lemon> dont get me started !
11:06 <rust_collector> I think it is a bit too late to think about that...........
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27:09 <Lemon> https://www.lmt.de/illuminance-meter-lmt-b-360/ this thing kinda look like the modern version
27:12 <EEVBot> [Title] - Illuminance Meter LMT B 360 – LMT – Lichtmesstechnik GmbH Berlin
27:20 <Lemon> same number of decades, resolution, form factor etc
27:26 <Lemon> sensor look the same
34:38 <Lemon> I messaged them, with some luck they have the specs
34:46 <Lemon> it seems to be a class A, which are the best
35:12 <Lemon> if its a shitty model, seller will actually send it, but if its good, he will say "I dont accept online paiement/sending it, sorry"
36:11 <Lemon> hmm there might be a chance, on other sales he accept delivery
36:18 <Lemon> maybe we have a good deal ? heh
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37:49 <rust_collector> whyyyyyyydoyouwantoneofthose?!!?
38:16 <rust_collector> Lemon go to sleep
38:31 <rust_collector> just a little nap
38:51 <hsn> a1n1dw1h1y11y1o1u1d1o1n1t1p1u1t1s1p1a1c1e1s1
39:14 <Lemon> ho for fun, mostly
39:20 <rust_collector> makes sense, when you read it from the right
39:36 <hsn> or replace all 1's with blank
39:40 <Halcyon> Bleh
39:42 <Halcyon> I'm tired
39:47 <Lemon> my interested started when we had to polish my mothers' car lights, and the guy measured them with a luxmeter, said it wasnt good enough
39:53 <hsn> Halcyon.energy ++;
40:08 <Halcyon> I have coffee, but it's not helping
40:21 <Lemon> cocaine dude, cocaine !
40:30 <hsn> Birds.Boost(&Halcyon);
40:39 <Halcyon> Heh
40:50 <hsn> it works
43:09 <steve30> hi hsn
43:23 <steve30> i actually meant to type hi Halcyon, but hi hsn too :)
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43:46 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
43:48 <Halcyon> It's colllld
43:55 <hsn> steve30, i feel special today .. :D
44:09 <hsn> its like u hate me all the time except today :P
46:03 <Halcyon> I like you all the time hsn
46:14 <hsn> i <3 u too
46:18 <Halcyon> Nawwww :D
46:29 <Halcyon> *sigh* Anyway, I suppose I better get to work
46:34 <Halcyon> I don't wanna
46:42 <hsn> u go then do what i do
46:45 <hsn> act working
46:49 <hsn> for 10 hours
47:11 <rust_collector> hsn what do you think he does?
47:11 <Halcyon> The problem is, it's very hard for me to pretend. It's obvious when I don't do anything
47:46 <hsn> rust_collector, usually he ignores me .. i guess busy or somthing :P ..
47:54 <rust_collector> sure
48:02 <Halcyon> I also let one of my staff have some days off this week, which means I have even less people who can help me :P
48:02 <hsn> Halcyon, order a dunut and eat it in car
48:09 <Halcyon> I don't like doughnuts
48:09 <hsn> thats what cops do
48:32 <hsn> take a junky in ur back car .. and start feeding him the doughnuts
48:35 <rust_collector> less people to pretend you do stuff for... good plan
48:47 <Halcyon> Hahaha hsn, I don't do street policing anymore
48:54 <Halcyon> I haven't for about 8 or 9 years
49:16 <hsn> Halcyon, maybe take junky in back car and get high with him .. u ll become super COOL cop
49:22 <hsn> why not .. danger?
49:25 <Halcyon> Drugs are bad
49:28 <Halcyon> Nah, just boring
49:37 <Halcyon> I like nerdy jobs
49:37 <hsn> not drugs .. just weed
49:45 <Halcyon> How is that any different?
49:53 <hsn> its different trust me :D
49:59 <Halcyon> Uhuh :P
50:02 <arch> sore wa haram desu
50:02 <hsn> one hurts .. another make joys
50:04 <hsn> lol
50:11 <Halcyon> All of them are illegal
50:15 <Halcyon> And make you stupid
50:30 <arch> we need to report hsn to his local mosque imam. he's gonna get caned
50:33 <hsn> not in amsterdam
50:47 <hsn> arch, mosque is off for covid purposes
50:47 <hsn> :D
50:49 <Halcyon> This is 'straya not Amsterdam :P
51:05 <Halcyon> Anyway I better go or I'm going to be late.
51:21 <rust_collector> llama llama llama
52:00 <rust_collector> I think I would go to amsterdam before australia
52:58 <hsn> Halcyon, ('straya amsterrdam) .. (tomayto , tomahto)
53:21 <hsn> ive never tried weed ..
53:39 <rust_collector> not me either
54:14 <rust_collector> and I don't think I have been in amsterdam, even if it can not have been far from it
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54:58 <gremlinz> (05:49:52) (hsn) its different trust me :D
55:05 <gremlinz> (05:53:20) (hsn) ive never tried weed ..
55:15 <gremlinz> lol bit of an oxymoron isnt it
55:37 <hsn> gremlinz, they are gonna call my local police station as prank .. i better cover my ass
55:47 <rust_collector> would you trust a pothead more than hsn ?
56:10 <rust_collector> snorting "sand"
56:11 <hsn> :D
56:24 <hsn> original sand .. 100% high all time
04:04 <rust_collector> high and high. internet says the highest point there is 134m...
04:12 <hsn> which is low ?
04:18 <rust_collector> uh, yes
04:29 <hsn> yeah but your soul travels for distance
05:05 <rust_collector> I mean, it is lower than denmark, which is known to be... not high
05:55 <Ysjoelfir> its probably even lower than the netherlands? :P
06:12 <rust_collector> much lower than holland-land
06:18 <rust_collector> that is 300 and some meters
06:32 <Ysjoelfir> Holland is usually said to be dead flat
06:44 <rust_collector> they are not very wrong....
06:55 <rust_collector> 322.4m, it says
07:13 <rust_collector> otoh, the lowest point there is -6 or so
08:05 <Lemon> aye fluke 27/fm is moving
08:16 <rust_collector> that has to be annoying
08:19 <Lemon> I was a bit scared he'd get lost, due to all the shit Israel is getting
08:42 <rust_collector> well, they asked for it, lol
09:49 <Lemon> yeye im not discussing that, you know im just a first world guy full of privileges that want his new toy :>
10:00 * electrohead waves o/
11:05 <hsn> sandistan is loland
11:37 <hsn> T3sl4, :D ---> Currently, all electronicians have to eat. ;D <==== https://www.eevblog.com/forum/cooking/is-junk-food-considered-cooking/
11:40 <EEVBot> [Title] - Is junk food considered cooking? - Page 1
11:42 <Lemon> ha, got a message from the guy selling the luxmeter
11:45 * hsn waves at electrohead 
11:56 <Lemon> ofc he doesnt accept paiement via the website, even if he specified the opposite
14:21 <Lemon> im so fucking tired of people that can't read
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14:47 <rust_collector> oh. it is that guy
14:55 <rc_garage> seems to work
14:56 <hsn> Lemon, i can read and but i usually decide to not too .. am i tiring to u ?
15:05 <Lemon> out of 10 people selling something on this website, you get 7 that will never answer, 2 that want a cheque for a 5 euros item, and 1 that accept paiement online but once you pay, he doesnt
15:12 <hsn> rc_garage, are u rust_collector inside a garage ?
15:20 <Lemon> as long as you dont sell stuff online on leboncoin, im fine
15:33 <rc_garage> I is
15:40 <hsn> lebanon coin
19:26 <rc_garage> I should sell stuff on ebay, and specify that I do not sell the items
21:49 <Ysjoelfir> that should bring lots of income
22:01 <rust_collector> maybe
22:52 <hsn> rust_collector, how is that possibly logical
23:01 <hsn> or logically possible ?
23:14 <rc_garage> does it have to be?
23:18 <hsn> no
25:34 <rust_collector> then... that is good enough
27:01 <hsn> yes
28:07 <rc_garage> this is annoying. the box out here in the garage has nicer looking fonts then the one inside
29:28 <rust_collector> hmm, no it is not. but text in here is sort of greyed out a little bit. that is weird
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41:40 <rust_collector> so that was fun
46:38 <DHess_US> Subwoofer tuned. It has a double peak at about 19 and 44 Hz, but I need a better AC voltmeter to quantify it exactly. 20 Hz is the lower limit of my best AC voltmeter.
47:21 <DHess_US> Who makes an AC voltmeter with a lower frequency limit?
52:52 <rust_collector> hmm.
53:15 <rust_collector> could a scope do it? I dunno?
55:44 <DHess_US> The measurement needs pretty high resolution.
56:20 <DHess_US> At least it seemed to. I will have to try it again with some different series resistors.
57:28 <DHess_US> Hmm, https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-DATS-V3-Computer-Based-Audio-Component-Test-System-390-807
57:29 <EEVBot> [Title] - Dayton Audio DATS V3 Computer Based Speaker & Audio Component Test System
58:29 <DHess_US> Ha, there is an example of what I was measuringf, https://www.parts-express.com/Themes/Default/images/PDP/390-807/390-807--dats-vented-enclosure-measurement.JPG
58:51 <rust_collector> I think kuschelpony is into audio stuff, maybe ask when he is back?
00:39 <DHess_US> I've chatted with a couple of people here about it. I thought I would ask now and maybe they will catch it in their scrollback, and I can bring it up tonight when they are more likely to be here.
04:27 <DHess_US> It is funny listening to vbloggers with the subwoofer because you can hear who does not have proper pop filtering.
07:43 <rust_collector> PoP filter
08:44 <Ysjoelfir> poop filter
29:38 <hsn> https://youtube.com/shorts/vEHDv3-alvI?feature=share
48:49 <hsn> https://youtube.com/shorts/WZAJC4zZP2Y?feature=share
48:53 <hsn> GN
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53:16 <Lemon> incredible, the guy for the luxmeter told me the usual "I dont take online paiement or paypal blabla but you can call me"
53:24 <Lemon> I said "heh ok" and I called him
53:31 <rust_collector> maybe he feels alone
53:43 <Lemon> turns out it was a old guy, really nice, he had no clue about online paiement but willing to learn
53:54 <Lemon> so he asked me if I can help him out, I helped him to set it up
53:58 <Lemon> he was super happy lol
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54:09 <Lemon> he sends the device tommorow
54:20 <rust_collector> and now the thing is listed for double the price, lol
54:50 <Lemon> lol ye "so I looked online the way you taught me, I discovered it cost 5400 euros"
55:23 <Lemon> he also told me this device can work on batteries, they are probably toast tho
55:46 <Lemon> it really seems the model I saw is the same model but recent
55:56 <Lemon> so with some luck, its indeed quite a high end device
57:22 <Lemon> im really curious on what is possible to achieve at low cost, if I can make a rig to calibrate it etc
57:50 <Lemon> ho rust_collector btw, I got the cheap vref and opamp
57:50 <rust_collector> sure, you just need something even better??
58:04 <rust_collector> heh, great. have fun with that
58:33 <Lemon> well, not necessary, I saw that you need basicallly a lamp with a known value
58:37 <Lemon> and you can get that
58:48 <Lemon> then you have to make a rig to place it at the right distance/angle and so on
58:55 <rust_collector> ok... but how do you know that is in spec?
58:59 <Lemon> so I could at least verify if its in the right ballpark
59:11 <Lemon> well lets say the lamp is specified for 2500 lux
59:19 <Lemon> and with that rig I measure 2425 lux
59:25 <Lemon> I know its "okish"
59:46 <Lemon> well in fact, best ones are accurate to under 5%
59:52 <rust_collector> then take it to england, and suddenly it is 2615...
59:56 <Lemon> it seems to be super hard compared to volts and so on
00:07 <Lemon> im reading a NIST paper on that subject
00:08 <rust_collector> yeah, I guess they are a bit like clamp meters
00:34 <Lemon> hmmm in the sense its hard to reach lots of digits you mean ?
01:06 <rust_collector> and it you move it even a tiny bit, it changes by 600%
01:07 <Lemon> im quite happy about the small one I have, according to the paper, its between 0.2 and 0.7% from 1 to 200a
01:25 <Lemon> ha yes true, you have to make a good rig if you want perfect repetability
01:26 <rust_collector> yeah, they are very handy.
01:46 <Lemon> im curious on how good will be the one I bought recently for 8 euros
02:06 <Lemon> guy said "I have nothing to test it, so I sell it as-is for a small price, it powers on"
02:18 <Lemon> looking at it im pretty sure it works, and its a hall effect clamp
08:42 <Lemon> The base unit of all photometric quantities is the candela. The first realization of the candela
08:42 <Lemon> was performed circa 1860 using candles made from sperm whale fat, known as spermacetti.
11:18 <rust_collector> ok, so you are looking for a whale now?
11:35 <Lemon> rusty please, stop pushing me !
11:58 <Lemon> "ok, when does it comes ??"
11:59 <rust_collector> you know you need a whale. and it would be a popular thing in the neighborhood
12:04 <Lemon> :>
12:26 <Lemon> I fear I'll lack the space
13:28 <rust_collector> naaaah?
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14:19 <rust_collector> it says the female ones are smaller, so try that. they are only 14 tons. the male ones are 40
17:01 <Lemon> what is 14 tons after all, with some luck they are quite dense
20:27 <rust_collector> yep, it should be similar to a fat bus
24:12 <Lemon> theres a lot of different units for light
24:19 <Lemon> its quite interesting
24:39 <Lemon> or should I say, photometry
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41:27 <Lemon> hmmm im quite tempted to build a little thingie which is basically a switch, letting me turn on/off an output of my lab supplies
41:50 <Lemon> because they dont have that option, you can find it on most recent supplies but not my oldies
41:59 <Lemon> a simple switch would work fine I guess ?
54:54 <rust_collector> a thingie that is a switch...
57:32 <rust_collector> well, you can measure stuff... if they can take being loaded, and you pulling the plug out of it, and plug it back in, without much weirdness, I guess a switch would work
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10:07 <alfbaz> salutaions
10:13 <rust_collector> hullo
10:26 <alfbaz> hey rust_collector
10:33 <rust_collector> mooorning
11:18 <alfbaz> it is, sun is shining, birds are chirpping
11:25 <rust_collector> ooof
11:36 <rust_collector> oh well. it could be worse
11:41 <alfbaz> lol
12:00 <rust_collector> the birds could be indoors, and be seaguls
12:16 <alfbaz> argh, dont like them much
12:43 <rust_collector> they look nice, way out on the water, or up in the sky
13:06 <rust_collector> they are not so nice up close and screaming at you.... in your livingroom
13:22 <alfbaz> they like to fly over you and drop their guts on you around here
14:56 <alfbaz> We've got a big owl that likes to hang out in our back yard of a night, so when ever we let the dog out to pee he runs straigght up to the trees, looks up and barks
15:07 <rust_collector> heh
16:36 <alfbaz> you been upto anything interesting?
17:12 <rust_collector> nope. I could not sleep, so I got up to yell at Lemon, and bake some bread
17:53 <Lemon> dlinnngggg
18:04 <rust_collector> I did start cleaning up an engine block, but that is not very interesting
18:23 <Lemon> damn, 2:18 already
18:40 <rust_collector> yeah, I told you to have a nap hours ago
20:50 <rust_collector> Ok, that was just because you like to sleep on things, before you order some more crap...again, so I figured you should have a nap, and get it done before midnight
22:02 <alfbaz> what engine is it, size, make
22:03 <alfbaz> ?
22:59 <alfbaz> I use to rebuild them, well all 3 of them
23:05 <rust_collector> it is complicated.... it is a volvo penta, so built by mercruiser, which bought it from chevrolet. it is just a chevy 305
23:49 <alfbaz> 305? that's a weird size, for here in aus at least
24:04 <rust_collector> nah, it is ie a 5 liter
24:26 <alfbaz> yeah 5L here a mainly 308
24:43 <rust_collector> yeah, but you have the weirdo holden stuff
25:10 <alfbaz> lol, use too, they're no longer making shit here anymore
25:25 <rust_collector> not anywhere else either, afaik
25:52 <rust_collector> they don't make chevy 305s any more either
26:02 <alfbaz> holden v8's were 4.2L 253, 5L 308 and 5.8 350
26:28 <alfbaz> oh and the 454
27:01 <rust_collector> in the us, a 350 was just 5.7, so you got a good deal on that
27:23 <alfbaz> lol we enjoy rounding up a lot
28:01 <DHess_US> ouch, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhYlmriOvVs
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28:03 <alfbaz> eg we have very few 2L engines that are actually 2 liter
28:24 <rust_collector> I do like that you people made some more interesting inline 6 thingies
28:48 <rust_collector> yeah, most are 199x cc, I guess
29:35 <alfbaz> mostly all 4 cyl nowadays
29:41 <rust_collector> I am not a huge fan of v8 things. but I do like a nice i6
29:50 <DHess_US> Some threes, some fives.
30:16 <rust_collector> not enough 7
30:19 <DHess_US> inline 6s tend to have more problems with warped heads because they are longer than a V8 or I4.
30:36 <rust_collector> well, you can just split them
30:53 <alfbaz> yes and to add to the problem a lot of 6's had alloy heads
31:37 <rust_collector> I like my little slant 6, it is not super awesome, except that it still works
31:39 <alfbaz> I had a 308 holden we called a monaro 6 speed manual
31:54 <alfbaz> went like the clappers
32:31 <alfbaz> our young bloke bough one of these fancy wrx's
32:50 <alfbaz> and it's acceleration left me standing still
33:08 <alfbaz> power to weight ratio difference was massive
34:10 <rust_collector> I hate replacing clutches on subarus.
34:56 <rust_collector> and making them leak less oil (on the non-turbo ones)
35:02 <alfbaz> how are the engines oriented on those things, side to side or front to back?
35:09 <rust_collector> front to back
35:17 <rust_collector> like an old vw
35:51 <alfbaz> Let's face it clutch changing is a mugs game no matter what the vehicle
35:57 <rust_collector> nope,
36:28 <alfbaz> I imagine you have a decent garage to work in then?
37:05 <rust_collector> try an older saab, or the weirdo fwd gm small cars from the mid 80s to the 90s, and I will swap a clutch for you in 20 minutes
37:31 <rust_collector> nope, but I did buy a new jack a month or two ago
37:56 <alfbaz> fuck that's awesome! It's a whole day affair for me :P
38:07 <rust_collector> well, that was on those cars...
38:27 <rust_collector> you don't have to take the engine away from the transmission on those
39:49 <alfbaz> I always had drama's lining up the clutch
40:00 <rust_collector> yeah
40:46 <alfbaz> tried whitteling a broom stick handle to fit :P
42:25 <rust_collector> that is why I like those shitty old gm things. you take the dust cover off, and the cover on the end of the box, use one of the bolts from the cover to screw into the input shaft, and pull it out. then loosen the clutch stuff, and it drops out the bottom. stick a new clutch up there, slide the shaft back inside, bolt down the clutch stuff, put the covers back on, and done
44:18 <rust_collector> the saab has the transmission as the oil pan of the engine, and the clutch is in front of the engine, almost out in the open.
44:41 <rust_collector> but... otoh, they are saabs, so I don't really like them, other than the clutch
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56:19 <alfbaz> Had to do the missus rav4. It was like a toy 4WD/ATV/??? had to pull the damn engine out to change that one. Nothing less than $2500AUS to get it done at the mechanics
57:16 <rust_collector> yeah, i have never done much on those, but I can imagine that was fun
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13:36 <rust_collector> ha ha haaa. fresh bread is pretty ok
16:07 <alfbaz> ?
16:40 <rust_collector> eh, I just like still hot bread with loads of butter and cheese
17:44 <alfbaz> ooh yeah, bad for the heart but good for the soul :P
19:37 <rust_collector> heart?
20:36 <alfbaz> lots of cholostarol
20:56 <rust_collector> that is good stuff
30:35 <alfbaz> yeah i just got a stent put in so not so good anymore for me :c
31:24 <rust_collector> eh? did they put a budget low quality stent in you?
32:17 <rust_collector> if it can not take a bit of cheese....
40:20 <alfbaz> lol, don't worry, I have been testing it :P
56:13 <rust_collector> good good. I think I will go and see if the bed works now. good night
00:52 <alfbaz> goodnight mate
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42:09 <DHess_US> Blood sacrifice made to the subwoofer. Now I know it will have supernatural performance.
56:55 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: https://imgur.com/a/mOJHOy3
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31:35 <K> hello pollens
22:08 <T3sl4> hey karyotype
31:18 <Ysjoelfir> lol T3sl4 :D
32:16 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir
32:40 * Ysjoelfir hugs T3sl4 back
40:57 <T3sl4> wow, i just did an ftl run with the engi c ship, found lots of crew and got teleporter 1st sector, ended up with a 100% full upgrade plus 50 scrap leftover and a weapon in the hold. new 3rd place score of 6091
41:27 <Ysjoelfir> nice :D I should play a round as well. otoh, I should be working. meh. :D
42:32 <T3sl4> i was actually just intending to do a tele run because, who ever gets tele on engi c? little did i know, the dual lasers i started with, and hermes missile i found, took me completely into like sector 5, i wasn't finding jack shit at stores
42:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol?
42:49 <T3sl4> needless to say the tele paid off in spades :D
54:08 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Translation: Disable monetisation on @YouTube and we'll run ads anyway and keep ALL the revenue. https://t.co/lNjeFZOQWE
54:59 <Ysjoelfir> wow, the first twitter thing I understand (As I also got the mail and complained about the same to mrs. spouse just now)
57:09 <T3sl4> hrm, i thought they were doing that like forever
58:34 <Ysjoelfir> Nah. The point is, that they now changet their terms and conditions to explicitly say that they have the right to monetize every video, even if you explicityle opted out from monetarisation and disabled advertisments in the video. They just add ads now and keep all of the revenue, if you disable monetarisation on a vid.
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59:29 <Ysjoelfir> which is great for videos about tragic things like "this person died, I am very sad, yadda yadda yadda, [FAT AD BLASTING INTO YOUR FACE]"
00:05 <Ysjoelfir> or in general things I personally don't want to have ads on. which I should be free to decide anyway
01:32 <T3sl4> hah https://i.imgur.com/LEktkay.png
02:38 <Halcyon> Boys boys boys
03:18 <Ysjoelfir> We like boys in caaaaaaars!
03:21 <Ysjoelfir> lol T3sl4
03:43 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdxn1qqKxp0
03:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Sabrina - Boys Boys Boys - TOTP - 1988
04:10 <Halcyon> That vocal track isn't dubbed *at all* :P
04:12 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDT6qztf7vs
04:13 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Lady Gaga - Boys Boys Boys
04:23 <T3sl4> Halcyon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2XdmyBtCRQ
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07:56 <K> i do not get whining about the ads in youtube
08:00 <K> that is not a charity
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08:33 <K> disk space/cpu/network bandwith all cost money
08:57 <K> do not like youtubes rules - go away
09:13 <T3sl4> all the more reason to use adblock
09:23 <K> that is a different argument
10:14 <K> for viewers point of view
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16:45 <Ysjoelfir> K, the thing is: Youtube makes a whole lot of profit on the videos and is blastering the user with ads already. until now they allowed to keep videos ads free, now they change that and monetise YOUR work without you getting anything. this feels to me a bit intrusive. I wouldn't take the christmas card you draw and make money with that just because I have the expense of storing it on my wall of lovely postcards? :D But in general I agree,
16:45 <Ysjoelfir> just leave. which I kind of did. I stopped making videos some years ago, but always wanted to continue again when I have more time. won't do that now anymore. and I probably delete my videos as I am not allowed to monetise them, so I won't want youtube to use them to make money themselves.
18:51 <K> it is their platform, they pay the bills
19:08 <K> cant pay for electricity with feelings
19:58 <Ysjoelfir> true, but if you look at their profit I highly doubt that they are having trouble paying their bills. this is just to make even more money from the work other people did, isn't it?
20:08 <K> not our call to inspect their wallet
20:22 <Ysjoelfir> well, is it not?
20:47 <K> nope
20:54 <K> we did not put anything in it
21:11 <Ysjoelfir> we are living in a society where the walth is so unevenly distributed... I think it could be beneficial to have some people look into the wallets of other ones and see what and how happenes there.
21:37 <K> they are taking a risk by taking the vids and hoping advertisers will pay
22:13 <Ysjoelfir> oh, I did put in there my work crating 36 videos, paying for the equipment, the time, the electricity,.... why am I not allowed to get a profit from that?
22:31 <K> you absolutely can, make your own youtube
23:17 <K> i am debating on the principle here and recognize that i am being a bit anal about it
26:03 <T3sl4> i mean, without us, they have no content
26:15 <T3sl4> so, that's uh, rather important
26:44 * steve30 is stocked up on food
26:49 <K> when all of the creators will leave, they will die
27:51 <K> do not get me wrong, putting 10023904 ads on a video is silly and anoying
28:10 <K> but if there are no ads, there will be no youtube soon after
28:37 <K> well, if you do not ponny up money via some subscription or something like that
30:39 <K> my point here is that youtube is a business and it is allowed to do business any (legal) way it likes
30:57 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.imgur.com/HaAovQK.gif
32:08 <T3sl4> hm, i didn't expect such a right wing statement from you, K
32:17 <Ysjoelfir> You know, I see your point, but I am not sure if you see mine. The creators do invest a substantial amound of time and money themselves to create content that youtube can use to make money. without the creators they would have nothing. IF everyone on youtube would be allowed to monetise every video, then I wouldn't complain. but not allowing me to monetise my videos because I am not big enough, and at the same time going to my channel,
32:18 <Ysjoelfir> blasting my videos with ads themselves without having any way to have them stop doing that is..... well, I don't know a corect term for that. it feels like you are exploited.
33:34 <steve30> most of my videos don't have ads (yet)
33:50 <Ysjoelfir> sure, youtube is allowed to do everything they want as long as its in legal boundaries, and the creators are free to leave. but... there aren't that many other places to go, and youtube knows that very well. so they (at least ift feels like that, hence my oppinion that watching their wallets wouldn't be the worst thing) can go and squeeze out every last cent out of everyone there, without giving them a FAIR share
33:52 <K> T3sl4, youtube is not an essential utility in my mind, that is why
34:13 <K> yet it is not, maybe it should/will change
34:40 <T3sl4> it could be regulated for fair business practices
35:06 <K> "fair" is hard though
36:21 <K> what if youtube one day decidesto call it quits and just shuts everything down, would they be reuired to hand over the keys?
38:31 <T3sl4> what's with the slippery slopes? why not just require them to leave it up long enough for everyone to download their data
38:46 <K> will that be enough?
39:06 <K> ok maybe that was a bad argument
39:13 <T3sl4> don't gotta be all extreme just cuz the ppl want co's to just play nice and not be utter douches
42:41 * Halcyon douches T3sl4 
43:01 * T3sl4 turd sandwiches Halcyon
43:23 <Halcyon> It's a bit nutty
43:31 * Ysjoelfir puts away all fabric from the floor and cleans Halcyon's Litterbox
43:49 <Ysjoelfir> brb
44:55 <T3sl4> the nut is in the mouth of the beholder
44:57 <T3sl4> wait
47:13 <steve30> hello
47:13 <Watcher> hi
47:13 <steve30> i've been out for a walk in the warm sunshine
48:13 <Halcyon> What a neat idea: https://www.tindie.com/products/glitchwrks/gw-1687-5-dallas-ds1687-5-maintainable-replacement/
48:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - GW-1687-5 Dallas DS1687-5 Maintainable Replacement from The Glitch Works on Tindie
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18:44 <Lemon> hi frens
19:49 <K> Cabage
20:10 <Halcyon> Hey persimmon
27:12 <T3sl4> hey banana https://i.imgur.com/cd1igYwh.jpg
27:22 <steve30> hi
34:19 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
35:11 <T3sl4> morn ampsy
51:32 <steve30> i just had some nice curry :)
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57:04 <Maarten> Hi all, following the EEVBLOG as long as I can remember... :) what about this article:
57:10 <Maarten> https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2021-05/uoca-sdm051321.php
57:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - Scientists debut most efficient 'optical rectennas,' devices that harvest power from heat | EurekAlert! Science News
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00:28 <Maarten> terms like "power from heat" makes me wonder...
02:32 <Maarten> so I cant resist that when I see terms being mixed up I get these feelings of here we go again...
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04:28 <Maarten> so is there someone out there who knows something about it?
05:24 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
05:38 <Maarten> :)
08:04 <Maarten> Rectennas (short for "rectifying antennas"), she explained, work a bit like car radio antennas. But instead of picking up radio waves and turning them into tunes, optical rectennas absorb light and heat and convert it into power.
08:24 <K> how does that differ from photovoltaics?
08:51 <K> esp efficiency wise
08:52 * Ampera launches a bratwurst at Ysjoelfir 
09:42 <Ysjoelfir> I just had a nice breadroll with sausage, thanks Ampera :D
09:54 <Ampera> how are you doing Ysjoelfir
10:09 <K> bedroll with sausage
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10:27 <Ysjoelfir> Maarten, that sounds very strange to me. probablt just a fancy solar panel?
10:35 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera, I am pretty fine, thanks. you?
10:43 <Ampera> I am having to do something pretty awful this morning
10:46 <Ampera> work
10:53 <Ysjoelfir> ew
11:48 <Maarten> Hi thanks for taking a look.
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18:27 <rust_collector> rectal antennas. ok
18:41 <T3sl4> haven't you heard of IoS?
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19:33 <Ampera> good morning, Kuschelpony
19:48 * Ampera flings weisswurst at Kuschelpony 
19:54 <Maarten> @Ysjoelfir it says generating an electrical current by use of very small "antennas"
20:45 <Maarten> "harvesting heat"
20:47 <Maarten> hm
21:04 <Kuschelpony> Hello for a moment and be off soon agaoin
22:33 <rust_collector> hi Kuschelpony did DHess_US ask you about speaker things this morning?
22:50 <Kuschelpony> not that i know
23:07 <Kuschelpony> and i have today a headache again, will be for more chat somewhat later in the afternoon
23:17 <Kuschelpony> happy if i can help
23:19 <Lemon> as a true electronic engineer I bought myself one of those pcb ruler
23:27 <Lemon> my iq grew by 200% instantly
23:29 <rust_collector> he had some questions last night, but you were not here.
24:15 <rust_collector> and I thing you might know 2 things about measuring speakers
24:24 <Kuschelpony> you can also always rweach me with XMPP [email protected]
24:42 <Kuschelpony> as said i am happy if i can halp but this is only a few minutes online until later
24:44 <DHess_US> [quote author=Tomorokoshi link=topic=282679.msg3572504#msg3572504 date=1621396431]
24:44 <DHess_US> Measurements using an HP 3403C True RMS Voltmeter.[/quote]
24:57 <DHess_US> Gah, copy paste failure
25:15 <DHess_US> <DHess_US> Subwoofer tuned. It has a double peak at about 19 and 44 Hz, but I need a better AC voltmeter to quantify it exactly. 20 Hz is the lower limit of my best AC voltmeter.
25:15 <DHess_US> <DHess_US> Who makes an AC voltmeter with a lower frequency limit?
28:12 <K> jerry rig and somewhat callibrate a soundcard input?
28:24 <T3sl4> riddle, when is AC not AC?
28:50 <K> when it gets old and forgets
29:05 <coppice> T3sl4: its all AC, sometimes at 0Hz
29:10 <Lemon> seems my 8502a can do 10Hz
29:10 <Kuschelpony> i respond later, but to say i always use a soundcard and the channel calibration is in about all software done automatically
29:23 <Lemon> well, its specified as 10 to 20Hz minimum
29:26 * T3sl4 divides coppice by zero
29:34 <Kuschelpony> some years ago i would have recommanden "Audiotester" but the recent versions appear to be a mess or non onger working
29:37 <Kuschelpony> see you later
29:42 * T3sl4 hugs Kuschelpony
29:55 <DHess_US> It seems the most immediate thing I can do is modify one of my documented bench meters for lower frequency AC response.
29:56 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Connection closed
30:28 <T3sl4> or bring the scope in
31:17 <DHess_US> An oscilloscope would obviously work.
31:40 <Lemon> 3456a also state over 20Hz, interesting
32:36 <DHess_US> There is a tradeoff between low frequency response and settling time, so it isn't surprising that they don't usually extend lower than 20 to 40 Hz.
33:10 <T3sl4> and 20Hz is the lowest useful for audio
33:53 <Lemon> isnt the lowest freq we can feel 7Hz ?
34:27 <Lemon> I think I read that somwhere, with those huge church thingies-I-don't-know-the-english-name
34:34 <Lemon> "orgue" in french
34:39 <T3sl4> organ?
34:42 <Lemon> organ yes thanks
34:51 <T3sl4> there are some very low pedals, yes
34:55 <T3sl4> but we do not hear them as such
34:56 <Lemon> deepest note they can do is 7Hz I think
35:18 <T3sl4> i mean, i can feel the seat pressing against my butt, that's about 0.01Hz right now
37:00 <K> feel the organs
38:12 <DHess_US> The problem is that I have a response like this which is expected, but the lower peak is about where the low frequency response of my best AC voltmeter starts to fall off, https://www.parts-express.com/Themes/Default/images/PDP/390-807/390-807--dats-vented-enclosure-measurement.JPG
38:34 <coppice> The lowest bass pedal on most cathedral organs is 13.3Hz
39:28 <T3sl4> increase coupling between the modes
40:10 <T3sl4> or um wait, reduce it
41:45 <DHess_US> I was just looking for alternatives to how to make the measurement. I have another AC voltmeter I can test, and I can modify one of my bench meters pretty easy.
42:13 <DHess_US> Previously it was never a problem because the peaks were at higher frequencies.
43:26 <DHess_US> T3sl4, that is just an example. On mine the peaks are much closer in amplitude, but with the lower one being in the rolloff region of my best AC voltmeter, that is called into question.
44:17 <T3sl4> ah
44:46 <DHess_US> I could measure the AC response of the voltmeter and use that to correct the measurement, but it would be an awfully lot of work.
45:14 <T3sl4> well, not so bad if it's just establishing a single pole response or something, but yeh
45:49 <coppice> what if the Pole is married?
46:01 <DHess_US> Actually it is a 2 pole response with a 12dB/octave roll off. The point is to adjust it for critical dampening.
46:30 <T3sl4> i meant of the voltmeter, but yeah
47:02 <DHess_US> Oh, yea, most have a single pole response but some use a steeper rolloff.
47:43 <T3sl4> could also be digital (sliding average?) which would have a still different curve near cutoff
47:58 <DHess_US> Plus at such a low frequency, the sinc response from the integration time adds to the response.
48:11 <T3sl4> yeah, that
48:26 <DHess_US> So the response becomes non-linear.
48:28 * Ampera sneezes
48:31 * Ampera sneezes again
48:43 * T3sl4 smokes Ampera with copper chloride fumes
49:04 * Ampera smokes T3sl4 with a Tabasco and curry sauce, over willow wood
49:09 <K> whatcha etchin ove dere, T3sl4 ?
49:12 <T3sl4> \o/
49:41 <T3sl4> K: not those fumes heh, just the observation that when the salt is heated, the fumes are rather irritating (sneeze inducing)
50:03 <K> stop doin it then!
51:11 <T3sl4> i haven't done it in over 10 years :P
51:42 <K> bought a bag of sodium persulfate, well see how it comapres to ferric chloride
51:46 <K> sometime soonish
51:55 <T3sl4> yay
52:16 <K> one thing not clear is how reusable that stuff is
52:37 <T3sl4> it gets slower and slower, and bluer and bluer
52:52 <DHess_US> Hmm, modifying one of my meters isn't going to work. The capacitors are already pretty big.
53:16 <T3sl4> you'd have to refresh it with something beefy like 30% H2O2
53:31 <T3sl4> and still need acid to take up the copper so yeh
56:24 <rust_collector> K from my reading, it does not store very well, after being mixed. I don't know
57:33 <K> yeah, that's what i understood as well
58:06 <coppice> hydrofluoric acid is the best etchant. It doesn't stop at the copper. It removes the glass matting, too, resulting in as more even impedance for the substrate
58:48 <T3sl4> your idea is full of holes
59:29 <DHess_US> This AC converter is interesting. Both the input and output of the operational amplifier are AC coupled so it does not contribute any offset error to the rectified output.
00:38 <T3sl4> what does it convert to? christianity?
01:20 <Ampera> It has been 14 days since I got my second shot
01:26 <Ampera> I am now fully 5G equipped
01:48 <T3sl4> :)
02:07 <K> has your tail-antenna fully grown?
02:25 <Ampera> now if only they made these stupid cards in a standard format that could fit a wallet
02:34 <K> is it erect at the right angle, as per spec?
02:37 <Ampera> I even have one of them fancy european wallets that have the large slots for fitting a driver's license
02:47 <Ampera> and it's just barely too big to fit in there
03:01 <K> (joke about everything being bigger in usa)
03:17 <K> ((and thats what she said))
03:27 <Ampera> no it's everything's bigger in texas
04:07 <DHess_US> Availability of the vaccinations where I am is still limited. I would have to drive to far.
04:07 <T3sl4> texas is bigger than everything, even texas
04:46 <Ampera> DHess_US, where are you
04:51 <K> (somewhere in the background that set-theory guy cries in pain)
05:09 <DHess_US> Near St. Louis.
05:26 * T3sl4 gives K a coupon to the barber that only barbers those that barber themselves
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06:07 <Ampera> Well that explains it, you're in misery.
06:31 <T3sl4> yeah, crappy states either side of that location
06:47 <DHess_US> State actually sent me an email saying "we noticed that you haven't gotten your vaccination yet ..."
07:02 <DHess_US> At least it is not Illinois.
07:21 <Ampera> You can only be thankful
08:08 <K> is illinois baaaad?
08:21 <DHess_US> If I lived in Illinois, I would have been assaulted and robbed twice by now.
08:36 <Ampera> so you're saying it only happened to you once?
08:38 <Ampera> impressive
09:03 <T3sl4> so you're black?
09:12 <T3sl4> oh wait, that would be ten
10:17 * Ampera checks unwarranted addition of racial politics to the conversation off the T3sl4 BINGO card
10:43 <T3sl4> Ampera, everything is political
10:45 <K> they be robbin ppl there?
10:50 <DHess_US> I've been in two incidents now in 10 years where I defended myself with the handgun that I legally can carry in Missouri, but not Illinois.
10:52 <Ampera> not this
10:54 * Ampera kisses T3sl4 
11:04 <Ampera> DHess_US, nice
11:12 <T3sl4> gays are political
11:18 <T3sl4> or whatever you are :P
11:32 <DHess_US> St. Louis *is* the crime capitol of the US, although I don't live in a bad area.
11:56 <coppice> DHess_US: its good to excel at something
12:02 <DHess_US> I'm about 30 minutes west of St. Louis, and not even in the same county.
12:02 <Ampera> That's impressive, considering Chicago is not that far away, and has been in far more gangster movies
12:24 <T3sl4> i mean, it's only the other side of the state
12:32 <DHess_US> I suspect St. Louis was too hardcore for Hollywood.
12:55 <Ampera> Every time they try to shoot a movie there, their cameras ended up getting stole
12:59 <coppice> T3sl4: being the other side of the street is often enough to make a profound difference
13:29 <coppice> I thought Wall St was the crime capital of America
13:54 <T3sl4> it's only crime if it's prosecuted(?)
14:05 <Ampera> It's not illegal if the government is in on it
14:13 <DHess_US> It is not a crime when the government does it.
14:38 <Ampera> It's not a war crime if there's no more military to judge you
15:15 <coppice> the only true war crime is losing. all others are forgiven
15:51 <Ampera> Or in the case of Japan, are considered a god by your people
16:00 <T3sl4> history is written by the victors, even the RCAs
16:33 <Ampera> GEez.
16:53 <coppice> True. I've seen JVC trying to rewrite history
16:58 <T3sl4> I BM on you
17:14 <Ampera> well that was remmington random
17:35 <T3sl4> rand() corp?
17:58 <Ampera> or so they DEClare
18:06 <coppice> yeah, where all the randy work
20:25 <K> yall need to stop now.
20:48 <Ampera> Oh Honey, well I guess we can.
21:28 <T3sl4> stop, K is getting saturated by intel here
21:30 <coppice> K: what specific complaint do you have? We are trying to keep our Data General
21:36 <Lemon> hey, I was thinking about something, my old lab supplies dont have a button to turn on/off the output
21:52 <Lemon> can I simply put a switch in series with the positive connector ?
21:59 <T3sl4> sure
22:01 <Lemon> it should work, right ?
22:02 <Lemon> yeah
22:07 <Lemon> ok I will make some adapters then
24:03 <K> it is too much
24:25 <DHess_US> On my power supplies, the output enable clamps the reference voltage to the error amplifiers.
26:01 <Ampera> K, it's simply a game of conNECt the dots.
26:44 <DHess_US> I wouldn't switch the output directly because series inductance in the external wiring could cause high peak voltages in some cases.
26:48 <rust_collector> I was wondering how the supplies would act, if you unplugged and plugged in the load. I guess different supplies act different. maybe you get some weird spikes before it regulates properly?
26:53 <Ampera> It's all Philcosophy
27:14 <T3sl4> jesus ralphing christ
27:27 <DHess_US> rust_collector, the output capacitance should prevent that.
27:52 <Lemon> thats also why I dont want to turn off/on the whole suppply, spikes can occur
28:03 <T3sl4> or encourage current spikes
28:10 <Lemon> I measured the distance between outputs and ofc, none are standard
28:22 <Lemon> so I will need to put a switch on the positive pole only I guess
28:27 <DHess_US> rust_collector, the error amplifier definitely has to recover from the load change but because of the output capacitance, that is all it should see it as.
28:30 <Lemon> rather than getting those dual plug thingies
28:41 <DHess_US> <Lemon> thats also why I dont want to turn off/on the whole suppply, spikes can occur
28:45 <DHess_US> That is a different problem.
28:50 <Lemon> yes yes I know !
29:10 <Lemon> I worded it badly
29:21 <Lemon> thats why I want to add that little switch
29:41 <Lemon> and I don't want to modify the faceplate of my dear old supplies
29:46 <DHess_US> If the reference voltage is clamped, then the error amplifier can produce a clean response in the output, which I assume is why mine do it that way.
30:15 <T3sl4> i like controls where the control is always in control
30:33 <DHess_US> Right. Mine is a tracking supply so there are two voltage controls.
30:46 <Lemon> my topward is also a tracking one
30:53 <Lemon> I never use that feature tho
31:03 <DHess_US> One potentiometer controls the gain of the error amplifier which is not ideal, but they did that to give remote programing capability.
31:33 <DHess_US> The tracking control is a potentiometer which divides the reference voltage. That is the one which gets clamped to zero when the output is disabled.
32:06 <DHess_US> So the output is never really disabled, it is just set to zero volts when the output is disabled.
33:29 <DHess_US> Incidentally, that is also how Intel used to recommend Flash programming supplies be controlled, because switching the output even with a transistor can cause spikes.
34:28 <rust_collector> that sounds like an idea
36:33 <DHess_US> Can probably find an application note discussing the issue.
38:57 <DHess_US> https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/application-notes/an31.pdf
40:59 <DHess_US> Appendix B discusses the problem with switching at the output.
41:53 <T3sl4> how uncharacteristically inelegant, using a zener in the rectifier instead of SEPIC
42:48 <DHess_US> Yea, that is an interesting choice.
43:21 <DHess_US> But only one inductor is needed and it isn't like efficiency matters.
44:01 <T3sl4> i guess coilcraft wasn't around back then, or didn't have as broad a catalog
44:23 <T3sl4> or bourns' catalog, or cooper or miller or anyone else that go bought out long ago
44:30 <DHess_US> Or they were designing to a price point.
45:11 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/psTHAPr.mp4
46:49 <DHess_US> They could have used a bipolar transistor. LT showed that in their micropower regulators.
47:03 <DHess_US> I wonder if they didn't think of it.
50:19 <coppice> bipolar transistors have their ups and downs
50:48 <DHess_US> bottom of page 14, https://www.analog.com/media/en/technical-documentation/data-sheets/1316f.pdf
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51:38 <DHess_US> Hmm, the voltage is marginal so that is why they didnt' do it that way.
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52:08 <T3sl4> odd. how does that work up to 7V in?
53:14 <T3sl4> hmm, i suppose it operates hysteretically
53:54 <DHess_US> Charge is only transferred to the output through the emitter, and the emitter is only higher than the base when the switching is active.
53:57 <T3sl4> i suppose that's also why it doesn't operate very low, the reg can't supply that much current and ratio
54:48 <DHess_US> It is a cheap way to have a boost converter disconnect the output, which allows the output to be higher or lower than the input.
55:01 <T3sl4> lol, why would they use a E-B zener (prev page)
56:00 <DHess_US> It is just cheap.
56:12 <DHess_US> Also less likely to insert a transistor backwards.
57:14 <T3sl4> heh
58:01 <DHess_US> Or the applications engineer had an attack of the clevers.
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43:34 <Ampera> me thinks someone needs to take the keys to twitter from dave for a bit while he calms down from his crypto high :P
43:48 <rust_collector> yeeeesssss
43:59 <Ampera> Hello rust_collector, how are you rusting today?
44:00 <EEVBot> Hello, Ampera!
44:03 <rust_collector> Konstit on monet, sano mummo kun kissalla pöytää pyyhki
44:13 <Ampera> I don't speak spanish
44:14 <rust_collector> hey Ampera. just another day.
44:42 <rust_collector> ask Halcyon when he comes. maybe he can translate
47:07 <Ampera> he speaks bogan not spanish
47:31 <rust_collector> well, he can ask his parents, I guess
48:07 <rust_collector> i don't think they speak spanish where they come from
48:31 <Ampera> no I think they speak greek
48:38 <Ampera> but it's basically the same language
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49:11 <K> why is rusty speaking finnish
49:24 <rust_collector> welkom to finnland, today we blow up lake, and eat salmiakki
50:13 <K> Perkele!
50:24 <Ampera> he's just practicing it for the eventual norwegian conquest of finland
50:36 <K> Saatana!
50:47 <Ysjoelfir> Poronkusema!
50:56 <rust_collector> well, except that I am trying to give the finns the upper part of norway.
51:21 * Ysjoelfir is going to pick up a Tek scope cart now.
51:26 * Ysjoelfir waves to everyone
51:28 <Ampera> being conquered or being the conqueror is only a matter of perspective
51:29 <K> yay
51:40 <rust_collector> have a good look at the otehr stuff he has too
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