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08:53 <K> sendmail or bust!
08:58 <K> (ducks)
09:21 <Ampera> I'll take the busts, thanks
10:52 <K> foiled again
14:02 * Ysjoelfir has.... erm.... meatballthings. Frikadellen.
14:23 <K> in a soup?
14:24 <rust_collector> meaty balls
14:32 <Ysjoelfir> no. stand alone, K
14:35 <K> oh.
14:44 <K> we do frikadellen soup here
14:46 <Ampera> why are you
14:55 <K> with a little bit of potato and carrot
15:31 <Ysjoelfir> frikadellen sopup, that sounds nice. do you have a recipe?
15:51 <K> uhh, not really
16:09 <rust_collector> broth potato and carrot, bay leaf, and balls
16:38 <K> https://www.delfi.lv/tasty/receptes/klasiska-frikadelu-zupa.d?id=43622647
16:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Klasiskā frikadeļu zupa - DELFI
16:47 <K> not much to it
17:11 <K> in picture there is rice inside meat balls, though i do not know anyone who does it like that
17:25 <rust_collector> what is a gave?
17:35 <rust_collector> pcs?
18:04 <K> gave?
18:21 <rust_collector> oh heh. gab
18:22 <Ysjoelfir> damn, accidentally closed the IRC client. what did I miss?
18:53 <K> "gabals" is "piece"
18:57 <rust_collector> ah
19:11 <K> shortened to gab.
19:30 <K> Ysjoelfir: https://www.delfi.lv/tasty/receptes/klasiska-frikadelu-zupa.d?id=43622647
19:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Klasiskā frikadeļu zupa - DELFI
19:42 <K> >> K | in picture there is rice inside meat balls, though i do not know anyone who does it like that
19:44 <Ysjoelfir> uuuuh!
19:58 <Ysjoelfir> I will do a soup tomorrow, maybe I let myself be inspired by that
20:05 <rust_collector> I was lazy and pushed the translate button, and it said "1 gave blahblah"
20:08 <rust_collector> oh well
20:31 <K> usually the meatballs are about 20mm dia, not more
21:00 <K> thoug i am not a cook
22:29 <Ysjoelfir> damn that sounds good. I will definitely get some inspiration of that
23:12 <T3sl4> have seen rice in meatballs before, i think any kind of starch is not unwelcome
23:21 <T3sl4> bread crumbs being a more traditional ingredient
23:32 * Ampera pours laundry starch all over T3sl4 
23:46 * T3sl4 potato starches Ampera
23:55 <Ysjoelfir> yep, we do breadcrumbs in ours
23:55 <Ampera> you callin me a potato?
24:43 <T3sl4> yes
24:56 <Ampera> why you low down bulbous root
25:03 <Ysjoelfir> oy blin! potjeto!
25:24 <T3sl4> you too, egg?
25:45 <T3sl4> Ampera: tubermensch
26:25 <K> white bread is used for cutlets, and that is quite similar to frikadellen
29:40 <Ysjoelfir> K, let me guess... Ola is oil?
29:48 <Ysjoelfir> it didn't manage to translate that
34:35 <rust_collector> egg
35:14 <rust_collector> only thing that is missing, I think
39:36 <K> Ola is Egg
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41:13 <Nero> T3sl4, I need your wisdom
41:21 <T3sl4> $100/hr
41:25 <Ysjoelfir> well, yes, one piece of oil would indeed be strange
41:47 <Ysjoelfir> uh, Nero gets a discount from T3sl4!
42:02 <T3sl4> oh wait i replied way too soon, prompt service like this is at least 200
42:09 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJ0pNTSFZfA
42:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: D̤e̤p̤e̤c̤h̤e̤ ̤M̤o̤d̤e̤ ̤M̤ṳs̤i̤c̤ ̤F̤o̤r̤ ̤T̤h̤e̤ ̤m̤a̤s̤s̤e̤s̤
43:06 <Nero> T3sl4, damn
43:13 <Nero> I guess I´ll keep it short then
43:27 <Nero> I need to make a bias board that has supplies controlled by a dac
43:30 <Nero> I want a simple solution
43:39 <Ampera> simplicity is 300/hr
43:40 <rust_collector> make it a yes or no question....
44:09 <Nero> should I just use a power-opamp in unity-gain feedback to buffer the output of the DAC, or should I just use the DAC to drive the ´set´ pin of a variable LDO
44:39 <T3sl4> uhh... how accurate does it need to be
44:41 <Nero> I know nothing of this kind of DC wizzardry
44:47 <Nero> not super-duper accurate really
44:58 <Nero> <1% would be nice but not required
45:08 <T3sl4> might even be better to use a crappy power buffer with a prec amp around it, and remote sense terminals or something too
45:13 <T3sl4> but that should be easy enough either way
46:24 <Nero> advantage of the LDO seems to be that they are more stable w.r.t. load capacitance, but they have a minimum output current, and the don regulate down to say 300 mV
46:49 <Nero> how is everyone doing btw
46:50 <K> dac alone does not have enough current?
47:05 <Nero> K, not really - itś a 16 channel dac and I have some 200 mA supplies
47:09 <K> ah.
47:19 * T3sl4 hugs Nero
47:37 <Nero> Iĺl use the DAC direct for my bias voltages (which are high-impedance anyways) (but I might buffer them for protection reasons)
47:39 <rust_collector> everyone is doing!
47:49 <T3sl4> steve30: https://i.imgur.com/joWInnM.jpg
48:16 <K> haha, clearly not amused
48:23 <Ysjoelfir> lol
48:55 <Ysjoelfir> also, mrs. spouse just tortured me with that, being played on the amazon echo on full blast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fk6mku5qfA
48:56 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: The Chicken Wing Beat
50:26 <T3sl4> Nero: so, you'll need a negative supply to use the LDOs near 0V, which is doable but maybe annoying, and if it's a one off testing thing cost doesn't matter?
50:47 <T3sl4> might even get dual power amps, to save on space a bit?
51:08 <Nero> T3sl4, I was thinking about a RIRO opamp? and indeed, the opamp Iḿ getting is dual 400mA output (thermal management will be a mess though)
51:35 <T3sl4> SONs are good for that
51:48 <Nero> considering we are spending >500 bucks per PCB on the PCB itself
51:49 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir why not nyan cat in the morning?
51:52 <Ysjoelfir> Nero, when you are done discussing... tell us, where have you been, what happened to your house and so on :)
52:00 <Nero> I don worry too much about the individual opamp :p
52:02 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector, I did that to her. she was pissed. much.
52:29 <rust_collector> good, so she is just returning the favor...ok
52:29 <Nero> I will Ysjoelfir
54:10 <Ysjoelfir> .o\
54:12 <Ysjoelfir> erm
54:16 <Ysjoelfir> \o./
54:18 <Ysjoelfir> dammit
54:23 <Ysjoelfir> \o/
54:35 * T3sl4 dusts off the dirt from Ysjoelfir's shoulders
54:56 <Ysjoelfir> thanks, now I feel better
57:27 <electrohead> \o/
58:00 <Nero> Ysjoelfir, we finally started working on my house
58:10 <Nero> already ran into water issues, one of the walls is soaking wet
58:13 <Ysjoelfir> nice :)
58:17 <Ysjoelfir> thats not so nice
58:37 <rust_collector> you what?
59:01 <Nero> I also finished my first tapeout a few weeks atgo
59:04 <Nero> was hecktic at the end
59:26 <Nero> and so now I designing the test-PCB and biasing boards
01:03 * steve30 meows at T3sl4 
01:21 <Nero> but if all goes well and the chips work Iĺl have a high-speed transmitter by the end of august to test
01:42 <T3sl4> yey!
01:55 <Ysjoelfir> nice, that sounds successfull :)
02:09 <Nero> with a meager 100-150 gbit throughput
02:56 <Nero> but man the PA chain was an absolute nightmare
03:05 <Nero> hard to design an amp when you have 3 dB max gain at your frequency
04:33 <Ysjoelfir> but you managed to do it
04:51 <Nero> yes, to some extent lol
05:22 <Nero> considering I get about 4 mW output power for 200+mW power conssumption, it´s not the most efficient thing ever though
06:27 <Ysjoelfir> 2% efficiency, good enough!
06:45 <electrohead> o.O
06:46 <electrohead> lol
07:45 <Nero> but when you do the math on expected energy/bit transmitted we aren´t abbysmal so itĺl be fine
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09:40 <Ysjoelfir> well, I assume said math is all but trivial :P
09:58 <Nero> well, that is kinda easy
10:12 <Nero> you look at bit/s and watt/second and you get watt/bit
10:21 <Nero> and watt/second happens to be power
10:52 <Ysjoelfir> oh. right, thats indeed not hard
12:43 <electrohead> https://github.com/risinek/esp32-wifi-penetration-tool
12:44 <EEVBot> [Title] - GitHub - risinek/esp32-wifi-penetration-tool: Exploring possibilities of ESP32 platform to attack on nearby Wi-Fi networks.
13:05 <Ysjoelfir> Hihi, he said penetration
16:38 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8el_P4yvfc
16:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Owls Hate Simon Cowel : animated music video : MrWeebl
16:59 <Kuschelpony> hmm, i might have mnissed the beginning of this discussion, but what physical meaning does watt/second have for you?
17:02 * T3sl4 badgers rust_collector
17:58 <Nero> Kuschelpony, isn´t power energy/time?
18:00 <Kuschelpony> the only place i know an unit of thisdimension is to describe the rate how fast an power station can ramp up or down fro thermal limits, but in 99,9% other cases it leads me to think someone has mixed up units
18:18 <Kuschelpony> yes, but watt is already "poer" and not energy
18:19 <Nero> one watt is one joule every second, no?
18:22 <T3sl4> think he meant watt.sec == joule
18:22 <Kuschelpony> right
18:26 <Nero> oh sorry
18:29 <Nero> I meant joule
18:33 <Nero> yeah you are right
19:08 <Kuschelpony> i wonder why you divide watt/second because watt is already joule/secojnd and therefor you calculate joule/second^2
19:12 <Kuschelpony> ok
19:28 <Kuschelpony> just home from 12 hours at work and thats the frist thing that hit my brain :)
19:46 <Nero> we usually compare links on either raw throughput, or on energy/transmitted bit
20:01 <Nero> something on the order of magnitude of 1 pJ per bit is common
20:29 * T3sl4 hugs Kuschelpony
21:49 <Nero> and in my case, my link should be about 3 pJ/bit, which is not groundbreaking but aint horrible either
22:24 <T3sl4> room for improvement
23:43 <Nero> T3sl4, I prefer to improve on the gbit/second part
23:55 <Nero> leave the joule/bit to industry
23:59 <T3sl4> sure
34:14 <Lemon> so I got my pack of those wire jumpers that stays flat on the breadboard
34:28 <Lemon> its surely super nice and tidy now, but I realize that my breadboards are shit
34:45 <Lemon> they are hyper stiff, its not the first time I noticed it ofc but two of the 5 I have are really nice
34:57 * hsn squeeze a lemon
34:59 <Lemon> I guess they were my fathers, but knowing him he didnt buy a branded one
34:59 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon! say hi to Nero!
35:23 <Lemon> bonjour Nero !
35:27 <hsn> hii to Nero hi to Ysjoelfir
35:28 <Nero> Allo!
35:36 <hsn> can you hear me ?
36:02 <Nero> what do you mean hear me
36:43 <rust_collector> doesn't matter, just say no
37:34 <Ysjoelfir> also, it finally arrived, yay! :D https://drive.google.com/file/d/17Jg8rQjY8fGLX1sPUMDzGGM0X6Qhc0sh/view?usp=sharing
37:34 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
37:41 <rust_collector> if you start talking to hsn, he will try to sell you some camels or whatever they have there. locusts maybe
37:58 <hsn> yes
38:47 <hsn> nero in arab country .. "allo" used as first word in phone call .. or "when u cant hear the other person in a phone call"
39:04 <hsn> alloooooo alooooo can u hear me ?
39:06 <hsn> like this
40:22 <rust_collector> hi hsn !!!
40:40 <hsn> hi rust the undust
41:10 <Nero> you did a course from Fedevel? are you happy about it? I did some consulting (Read, back-and-forth linked in messages) about some impedance stuff with Robert a year or so back
41:42 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, did ^
41:54 <Lemon> allo is also the same in france :>
41:54 <Nero> I´m thinking about suggesting a basic course for newbies at my researchgroup
42:36 <Nero> lemon, you french?
42:44 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir ggwp ! you can now make leds blink in an advanced way I guess ? :>
42:51 <Lemon> yes I am :<
43:44 <Ysjoelfir> Nero, yep, did actually do 3 courses there already, though this is the first one that I got a certificate for (didn't bother with the other two). And I enjoyed it a lot. The newer courses are realy good, though the older one I took from him was soooooooooo slow.... ok, robert is a very slow speaker, but even with double playback speed it was boring as hell. but the newer ones.... great with 1.75x speed.
44:15 <Ysjoelfir> and I just love the way he pronounces Capacitor
44:41 <Nero> kaPAcitoor
44:51 <K> kapaaacitoor
44:56 <Ysjoelfir> yep xD
45:13 <Nero> Lemon, do you do this thing where you say ´capa´ instead of cap? :p
45:44 <Lemon> yes, I'll admit it x)
45:57 <Nero> I had a 2-day course from ST on their bicmos technology
45:58 <K> kondensātors here
46:01 <Nero> it drove me nuts :p
46:13 <Ysjoelfir> K - Kondensatoren in german :P
46:28 <K> the proper way yes
46:54 <rust_collector> yes
47:01 <Nero> in dutch it´be condensator, but me and my colleagues tend to use the english shorthand ´cap´ when refering to them
47:40 <Ysjoelfir> in german we use the abbreviations "Elko" for electrolytics and "kerko" for... everythign non electrolytic, no matter if its realy ceramic or a foil
47:58 <Nero> oh. Elco is something we say to
49:35 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, he just made a video of his experience with pcba using jlcpcb ..
49:54 <Ysjoelfir> uh, I should watch that. link?
50:05 <hsn> in this first minute i loled .. he was like --> yeah i know u thinking why 25 minutes for such info
50:06 <hsn> :D
50:16 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
50:20 <hsn> https://youtu.be/8FVaMbBCmJ4
50:21 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Ordering a Cheap PCB + Assembly in China. Is it worth it?
50:30 <hsn> i think .. hmm no shouldnt watch this one
50:55 <hsn> i didnt feel there is anything special just documenting his experience ..
51:27 <Ysjoelfir> I watch it and tell you the result :P
52:36 <Nero> I only use swiss PCBs
52:38 <Nero> best PCBs
52:55 <Ysjoelfir> your projects tend to be a bit more complicated though :P
53:14 <Nero> what? naaahh
53:20 <Nero> just like, 160um pitch devices :p
54:36 <hsn> i use pcbway .. with fr4 material .. no THZ speeds
54:46 <hsn> or MHZ speeds :D
54:56 <hsn> wait .. the oscillator only ..
55:11 <Ysjoelfir> same, I use either PCBway or german companies, mostly Wuerth
55:32 <Nero> PCB I´m designing with now has 60 um diameter vias and 55 um width tracks ;d
56:42 <Ysjoelfir> thats giant! next time I expect 7nm tracks.
57:02 <Nero> that is on chip... 50 nm tracks and stuff :p
57:41 <Ysjoelfir> :P
57:46 <hsn> last time i selected some pcb that has high glass transision temperutre .. because that way my company pays more
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08:49 <hsn> but now i regret it .. they paid me my march salary yesterday .. <:
09:10 <hsn> ^ im kidding .. i just order it because i had to .. ^
10:12 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
10:12 <Nero> okay dafuck is up with the AD5677 footprint and the I2C SCL and SDA being on opposite ends of the package
10:16 <Nero> wtf analog devices
10:35 <Nero> SCL: pin 3. SDA: pin 19
10:50 <K> it be trolling
10:56 <Ysjoelfir> well... that is stupid :D
11:46 <Nero> https://imgur.com/HKQ6BpJ
11:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Imgur: The magic of the Internet
12:38 <Nero> I guess putting 16 channels into a 4x4 mm package requires compromises
16:29 <hsn> isnt that ok because its not differential bus + slow ?
17:01 <Nero> yeah it should be fine
17:24 <hsn> comprimise the A0 and A1 .. :D
19:18 <Nero> also notice the order of DAC channels is all whacky
19:44 <K> it expensive though
20:10 <Nero> I don know, is it?
20:28 <Nero> I didn´t really check when I told my colleague to order them
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23:17 <Nero> anyho time to go make dinner
26:50 <K> 20$
27:00 <hsn> 20 fucking box
47:57 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CPYDf36BRO8/
48:25 <hsn> K do u do rtos coding?
48:46 <K> not really hsn
49:06 <K> i do quite a lot of general coding though
49:39 <hsn> You work as embedded software engineer right?
50:34 <DHess_US> I used to do RTOS but at the bare metal level. That was fun.
51:32 <hsn> DHess_US: u mean writing ur own context schuduler?
52:04 <hsn> And kernel intercommunication other stuff?
59:00 <DHess_US> I never needed anything that complex, but I always wanted to write a minimum optimized version of those for small hardware.
59:48 <DHess_US> The scheduling I did was static and defined at compile time, with no heap. The step up from what I did would include a heap designed for real time operation which is a major problem.
00:26 <K> i have several hats, hsn
00:27 <DHess_US> A heap can cause a lot of problems in a real time system, or any system which must be reliable.
01:07 <DHess_US> But the alternatives to a heap aren't any better unless the alternative is static allocations.
02:06 <DHess_US> hsn, I don't know what kind of kernel design I would have ended up with. My experience at that level is with ancient OSes like Apple DOS.
06:20 <DHess_US> I'm not real happy with the AC adapter for my DE-5000. I wonder if this would be a bad idea, https://www.amazon.com/CCYC-Voltage-Converter-Wireless-Speakers/dp/B07QL2YG1V/
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37:37 <T3sl4> DHess_US: i think it's funny to call things like that an RToS. i got away with that on my college capstone project, just put a bunch of housekeeping routines in a timer interrupt and called it "cooperative multitasking"
42:40 <DHess_US> It doesn't fit the definition of cooperative multitasking though.
42:51 <DHess_US> The timer interrupt happily interrupts anything going on.
43:29 <DHess_US> The way I understand cooperative multitasking, that means tasks voluntarily release their progress to other tasks.
44:16 <DHess_US> I didn't use "just" the timer interrupt. The timer interrupt triggered other slower timer interrupts so there were several. So tasks could be assigned to 1ms, 10ms, etc.
45:42 <T3sl4> yeah exactly what i did
46:39 <T3sl4> i mean, it's cooperative in the sense that, as a real time system, nothing should ever take longer than its cycle, and if it does it probably piles up and crashes
46:51 <coppice> "the definition"? which God provided this definitive definition?
46:53 <DHess_US> The lack of complexity without any dynamic allocation is an advantage because there is less to fail.
47:10 <T3sl4> coppice: what's a god?
47:36 <coppice> T3sl4: some 4 legged creature who is a bit backwards
48:39 <T3sl4> sounds adorable
05:46 <hsn> DHess_US: MISRA or other safety standards discourage or prevent heap allocation
07:55 <coppice> The standard designed to make you MISRAble
07:57 <hsn> T3sl4: a beremetal functions hat are yielding .. cooperative threads .. nothing wrong with that i guess .. untill one of them has lots of functions and u need to do yield alot in middle of algorithms .. right?
08:21 <coppice> I don't think I've ever met a standard as annoying as MISRA
08:23 <hsn> coppice: specifically the mil ones
08:29 <T3sl4> or if it's a full moon, a weremetal function
08:46 <coppice> hsn: MISRA is commercial
08:46 <DHess_US> hsn, yes.
09:10 <hsn> coppice: unfortunately .. yes
09:30 <T3sl4> in principle, the way i did it (and probably DHess_US), assuming subsequent calls don't stack up, it'll simply interrupt the running instance, do its activities, and resume
09:33 <DHess_US> hsn, I can understand why, but I still would enjoy the challenge of designing and implementing a "safe" RTOS with heap support.
09:57 <hsn> Even tools that can check ur code like cppcheck .. offer misra complience checker if u offered the rules. . which isnt available
10:07 <coppice> T3sl4: if you do 100% of all processing in interrupt routines, does that qualify as cooperative multitasking?
10:13 <DHess_US> T3sl4, I just kept it simple with a main routine which was constantly executing and draining data from queues which were filled by the various interrupt routines.
10:52 <T3sl4> ironically, i can't actually do that with the AVRs i've been using (XMEGA, vs MEGA164 i think that was), because the interrupt controller watches for RETI execution
10:55 <DHess_US> In practice the interrupt routines only took a minor fraction of the CPU clock cycles. Contention was never a problem.
11:16 <T3sl4> DHess_US: yeah, that's the better way to do it, set flags in ints and round-robin or whatever through it
11:35 <hsn> DHess_US: the FreeRTOS has 3-4 memory schemes under names like (heap1.c ... Heap4.c) .. i never dared to open and understand them ... For me heap is malloc i never go to sbrk
12:06 <DHess_US> My favorites were the interrupt routines which monitored for keyboard activity and filled shadow registers with the results.
12:07 <T3sl4> the way i did it, there was some glitchy (obviously race conditions) behavior that i didn't quite figure out, and that was years ago so yeah what do i care :P
12:30 <coppice> T3sl4: RETI doesn't invalidate a 100% in interrupts design, if the main code just initialises things and waits in a tiny loop.
12:43 <hsn> How do i design a queue ? When i dont know how to design semaphore or mutex
13:05 <T3sl4> coppice: for doing overlapping interrupts, it does
13:27 <DHess_US> hsn, with a pair of pointers.
13:29 <coppice> hsn: don't design a queue. just get a ready made one from England. We have plenty
14:01 <T3sl4> i think the workaround would be, make a stub handler that executes RETI, possibly with faked return address so that it tail-calls the intended function, which can then be interrupted as if main()
14:03 <DHess_US> One pointer is controlled by main, and the other by the interrupt. If the pointers don't match, then there is data in the queue.
14:08 <coppice> T3sl4: Its May, and all the interrupts are nesting
14:55 <Lemon> I got my dear luxmeter !
15:12 <T3sl4> soon their APIs will be tweeting, then they fly off the stack
15:17 <DHess_US> I'm getting parts tomorrow from Mouser to repair two multimeters.
15:23 <hsn> DHess_US: thats thread safe ? For multi-threads ? .. no right?
15:41 <DHess_US> Refurbishing 2 DM502s, and changing the memory backup battery in my HP bench meter.
15:43 <T3sl4> hsn: you do it this way https://github.com/T3sl4co1l/Reverb/blob/master/bufserial.c
15:45 <EEVBot> [Title] - Reverb/bufserial.c at master · T3sl4co1l/Reverb · GitHub
15:57 <DHess_US> hsn, there are only two threads, so yes.
16:15 <DHess_US> The interrupt is the only thing writing to one pointer, and the other pointer is only written by main.
16:44 <DHess_US> Since the pointers are only updated by each, data in the queue never gets overlapped writes.
17:37 <DHess_US> The interrupt only updates its pointer after writing data to the queue. And main only accepts that data after it detects that the interrupt pointer does not match the main pointer.
17:44 <T3sl4> i chose not to use atomic.h in that code, as disabling the interrupt has the same effect. the advantage is, other unrelated interrupts can run -- on the assumption that they do not interact with these objects
18:12 <DHess_US> Obviously there is an assumption there that pointer updates are atomic.
18:43 <T3sl4> if that's a hazard, then using ATOMIC_BLOCK is a good idea
18:48 <hsn> T3sl4: why u do register define in side buf.h not buf.c .. is it being accessed in multi c?
18:57 <DHess_US> https://www.lightningmaps.org/#m=oss;t=3;s=0;o=0;b=0.00;ts=0;z=10;y=38.6684;x=-90.3509;d=2;dl=2;dc=0;
18:58 <EEVBot> [Title] - Real Time Lightning Map :: LightningMaps.org
19:46 <T3sl4> DHess_US: yeah, and that requires some platform dependence, like on the AVR, pointers are 2 x 8-bit words so cannot be accessed atomically in a single op, and ATOMIC_BLOCK is required
20:00 <T3sl4> on an ARM, a 32-bit word should always be atomic, i think?
20:18 <T3sl4> of course you can always use ATOMIC when you're supposed to :)
20:21 <DHess_US> It should be
20:29 <T3sl4> it's just, you might not NEED to, on a particular platform
20:48 <hsn> That only applies to pointer?
20:49 <DHess_US> Or keep your queues short enough that a single word is used for addressing
21:31 <T3sl4> hsn: i probably don't organize my headers as well as i should. or i divide them into private and public headers, so i'm not spamming the .c with #defines while keeping them local
22:08 <hsn> I see ..
22:11 <T3sl4> yeah, like, pointers on AVR might not be atomic, but the serRxBufferStart and Tx are guaranteed atomic, because they're 1 byte
22:58 <T3sl4> so like, bool serRxBufferEmpty() { return serRxBufferStart == serRxBufferEnd; } doesn't technically need ATOMIC
23:11 <DHess_US> Also the interrupt can see if the queue is full by checking the pointers, since main only updates its pointer after it digests data from the queue.
24:12 <hsn> Do u do doxygen stuff T3sl4 ? I see ur functions are described with that format .. or thats just for the text editor coloring?
24:25 <T3sl4> yes
24:41 <T3sl4> to that last part
25:03 <T3sl4> i got in the habit of /** */ ever since i learned java, it also works well with codeblocks
25:50 <T3sl4> i'm not sure offhand if it will parse a regular block comment as a function description, that might be required?
27:58 <hsn> Doxygen u mean?
28:32 <Lemon> https://www.mainsfrequency.com/ just discovered that, thats interesting
28:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Online-measurement of the mains frequency
28:41 <Lemon> probably comon knowledge :>
31:20 <Ysjoelfir> I have a nice analog mains frequency meter in my lab. I remember how you admired it :P
31:53 <Ysjoelfir> a vibrating reed frequency meter its called in english afaik
32:29 <Ysjoelfir> painted with nice radium paint
33:10 <Kuschelpony> oh, i never heard from a zungenfrequenzmesser in radium paint, that must be quite a specialised application
33:28 <Kuschelpony> usually there is electric light available when it makes sense to read the frequency
33:42 <DHess_US> I've got something almost as good.
34:56 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony I took a pic for you. you don't open google drive, do you?
37:06 <DHess_US> https://ibb.co/C6Bm5xV
37:07 <EEVBot> [Title] - IMG-0473 — ImgBB
38:23 <Ysjoelfir> https://snipboard.io/NKGS7Q.jpg here, for you on not-drive :) I got it together with some (as well radium painted) analog meters of various style, mostly british ones. Two of them had Antenna current (a few mA) and antenna Voltage (several kV), so I ASSUME they were from some kind of broadcast station
38:49 <Ysjoelfir> thats cute DHess_US :D
39:39 <DHess_US> Right next to my pile of 3.5" MO disks and SCSI hard drives.
40:28 <Kuschelpony> really interesting
40:57 <Kuschelpony> hmm, unusual values, must have been an very short electric antenna
41:23 <T3sl4> DHess_US: years ago, i was in a place where a coworker had one of those on his desk
41:23 <Kuschelpony> my frequency meter is a boring quadratic of the 70s one
41:55 * T3sl4 licks all of Ysjoelfir's dials
42:57 <Ysjoelfir> lol T3sl4 :P
43:46 <Kuschelpony> hmm, maybe, if i modifiy some lov voltage meter to have an very expanded mains voltage scale, this might make an interesting decoration piece to watch over the day
43:59 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony, yeah, I would love to know where those were from, but the seller I got them from didn't know anything, he didn't even know what the stuff was he sold. those vibrating frequency meters are usually pretty darn expensive, but I got that one for close to nothing...
45:19 <Kuschelpony> oh
45:40 <Kuschelpony> well i saved mine from junking, but that was under special circumstances
45:59 <Kuschelpony> still trying to understand where yours could have been used for
46:34 <Ysjoelfir> If you get some Ideas I would love to hear them.
49:12 <Kuschelpony> sure
49:26 <Kuschelpony> just asked a friend who is restauring old stuff if he has an idea
53:22 <Lemon> ha yes I remember it !
53:46 <Lemon> and it remembers me I need one of those mushroom switches, I found a nice one but fucking website is bugged, I cant order it to my usualy pickup relay
54:02 <Lemon> a telemecanique in box for 9 euros delivered
55:09 <Ysjoelfir> I still think that this companies name is not.. ideal. https://www.amazon.de/Herren-Socken-Frottee-Stoppersocken-schwarz/dp/B016DN6HI6/
55:10 <EEVBot> [Title] -
55:11 <Kuschelpony> oh thats cheap
57:03 <Lemon> perfect xd
58:08 <Kuschelpony> ok... snipboard.io also delivers totally different content based on Browser ID
58:22 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1989183072.htm?ac=206978287 this is cute !
58:22 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
58:25 <Kuschelpony> on Dillo i get the photo
58:50 <Kuschelpony> in Firefox i get a site full of several scripts that should do something
59:29 <Lemon> and also Ysjoelfir the telemecanique isnt avalaible anymore, is siemens a good brand for those ? https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1986603394.htm?ac=2404136686
59:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - leboncoin.fr
04:07 <Kuschelpony> Ysjoelfir, you have one more fan of your instrument :) but im not sure if he will join the chat as well
05:13 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, yep
05:30 <Ysjoelfir> Kuschelpony, cool :D
06:21 <Lemon> alright I'll see if I can get it then :>
06:44 <Lemon> ho ! and if anybody knows, what is the name of those connectors ? https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/3a12afd8-1c98-49ca-9364-a975f2e09fd8_1.50b870069a01c5ce83a1efc03996c77f.jpeg?odnWidth=612&odnHeight=612&odnBg=ffffff
06:48 <Lemon> its not exactly dupont ones
06:54 <Lemon> as dupont are squared
07:52 <Lemon> I measured them at 0.60mm
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32:52 <Halcyon> Morning
33:03 <hsn> Hmmm .. DHess_US so one master timer that has higher priority and inturrepts the other interupts?
33:21 <hsn> Morning its a halycon
33:44 <Halcyon> Barely
34:04 <hsn> Halcyon then
34:37 <Halcyon> Still barely. I don't wanna go to work today
34:39 <Halcyon> *pouts*
36:20 <DHess_US> hsn, yes, or lower depending on the requirements.
37:06 * electrohead pokes Halcyon
38:16 * Halcyon snuggles up to electrohead
38:27 <electrohead> lol
38:28 <electrohead> hey mate
38:32 <Halcyon> Suppp
47:30 <Ysjoelfir> Halcyon!
17:20 * Ysjoelfir pokes Halcyon
18:06 <electrohead> He's on his way to work :p
20:32 <Ysjoelfir> pfffffft
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47:09 <electrohead> source: I was on the phone with him, lol
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56:10 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449968711789445127/847578863671705641/20210527_165524.jpg
56:13 <Ampera> new board
58:17 * T3sl4 surfs Ampera
58:54 <Ysjoelfir> uuh, half a twin CPU system!
00:03 <Ysjoelfir> on board SAS?
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06:26 <Ampera> yup
06:33 <Ampera> 8 lanes of it
06:34 <Ysjoelfir> nice
06:43 <Ampera> gonna be my storage server
06:51 <Ampera> with dual X5650,
07:15 * Ysjoelfir still wishes for an dual opteron 265 as he had back when that was new
07:49 <Ysjoelfir> I have the CPUs, but I can't find any Asus K8N-DL, which was the board I had back than :(
40:49 <Lemon> I need to quit checking leboncoin
41:09 <Ampera> lebroncoin?
41:13 <Lemon> I made an offer at 15 euros, +5 for shipping for a 4.5 digit old metrix dmm
41:20 <Lemon> a handheld, that is
41:25 <Lemon> (french craiglist)
42:08 <Lemon> 4.5 digits handhelds dmm are uncomon, and at that price... why not !
42:23 <Lemon> if the seller accepts ofc
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21:14 <rusty_rc> oh yes, it is that time again
21:50 <rusty_rc> MOOOOORRRRNNIINNGGG!
24:10 <T3sl4> ugh, not so loud
24:18 <T3sl4> the nightpeople will hear you
25:04 <rusty_rc> rise up all nightpeople.
27:55 <rusty_rc> I wonder about these party buses we have here. did they change something in stereo systems last year? I can feel the music long before i see the bus this year.
30:17 <rusty_rc> ok, I also wonder why they are legal.... but that is details
32:01 * Ampera hugs rusty_rc 
32:11 <Ampera> I am night people and I hear your horny moaning
37:04 <rusty_rc> perfect, you are too nice Ampera
39:36 <rusty_rc> Ysjoelfirs company has released a neat little power management chip. good job Ysjoelfir now make it a bit bigger
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05:08 <MrMobodies> Hello
05:23 <MrMobodies> someone gave a me a "smart wristband 3" watch to test
05:49 <MrMobodies> I had to sign in on another account reluctantly to down the app
06:16 <MrMobodies> use on of my phones to sign in to get, I suppose I could have done manually with a bit of effort but that wouldn't matter
06:35 <MrMobodies> they now want me from the "app" to create an account on the website and sign in.
06:41 <MrMobodies> just to use it
06:53 <MrMobodies> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jaga.ibraceletplus.smartwristband3&hl=en_GB&gl=US
06:54 <EEVBot> [Title] - Smart Wristband 3 – Apps on Google Play
08:36 <MrMobodies> I expect that to be optional for a website sign in
13:39 <MrMobodies> It says "Please enter your email address", I ask what email? I really don't trust that?
15:15 <MrMobodies> it sounds like they want me trick me into using my existing email account creditations as a new account on their system.
15:30 <MrMobodies> do you think I am being paranoid?
16:38 <MrMobodies> sorry misread, that's sign, I won't be to do anything or testing as I think it has be registered to their email in their name.
24:58 <MrMobodies> I think remember Dave Jones brought/or was given a portable camera in the mailbag and they wanted him to sign in and that let see if I can find it
25:06 <MrMobodies> well create an account just to use it
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34:58 <MrMobodies> found it
35:13 <MrMobodies> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtqBbaVNI0c
35:14 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: eevBLAB #83 - DJI Pocket 2 Camera Registration BULLSHIT!
35:21 <MrMobodies> I don't think the watch is as bad as that
36:01 <MrMobodies> just the software itself
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10:17 <rust_collector> I like my devices to work, without having to be connected to anything
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14:01 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
14:26 <rust_collector> DING DING DING!
15:04 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
15:19 <rust_collector> mornings mornings
15:51 <rust_collector> morning morning morning morning, at elast
15:53 <rust_collector> least
17:02 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
18:18 <rust_collector> so, congratulations with your new ic! looks great. would prefer it to be a bit bigger...
23:00 <Ysjoelfir> eh?
23:38 <rust_collector> 150ma charging could be a bit more, imo...
23:47 <Ysjoelfir> link?
24:44 <rust_collector> https://www.nordicsemi.com/News/2021/05/nPM1100-PMIC-is-Nordics-first-power-management-product
24:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Nordic launches tiny footprint, ultra low IQ power management IC for nRF52/nRF53 Series SoCs and other compatible products - nordicsemi.com
25:22 <Ysjoelfir> Hmm... I should probably increase the amount of shares I hold, to force them to make shit bigger.
25:52 <rust_collector> or force them to make things bigger, so you can share
25:57 <rust_collector> or something
26:17 <Ysjoelfir> jep
26:48 <rust_collector> but it looks like a useful little thing
27:45 <Ysjoelfir> indeed, I shared it with my annoying customer and his tiny PCB, probably we can get a 3rd respin :D
27:59 <rust_collector> WOOHOO!
28:15 <rust_collector> but can you get the ic?
29:27 <Ysjoelfir> what do I care? :D Mr. customer didn't care when he wanted me to add a BMI250 IMU, despite me telling him several times that that thing has 102 weeks lead time.
29:47 <rust_collector> heh
30:59 <steve30> hi
31:03 <rust_collector> so, sign up for the 9th of june!
31:09 <Ysjoelfir> mornings steve
31:12 <rust_collector> hey mr ear....steve
34:37 <rust_collector> hmm, it says "and is JEITA compliant." if you say that in norwegish, jeita means goat. I an not sure about this
34:52 <Ysjoelfir> lol :D
35:10 <rust_collector> also and means duck, and is is ice, and ...
35:30 <Ysjoelfir> wait. so... if I switch i and n in that word.... :D
35:32 <rust_collector> duck ice goat compliant
35:55 <rust_collector> right, some times that is an idea
36:50 <rust_collector> girl compliant power management ics...
37:38 <Ysjoelfir> I was more irritated about how close goat and girl are together, but that is very concerning as well :P
40:15 <rust_collector> well, written, it is geit(a), but it sounds like jeita
40:32 <Ysjoelfir> aah, ok. :D
47:09 <rust_collector> do you have this amazing indoors weather, down there?
50:40 <rust_collector> so this year, summer is on a friday, that is nice
51:28 <Ysjoelfir> yep, its very nice indeed. but its getting warmer and supposedly its getting near to a nuke detonation soon.
51:47 <rust_collector> oh nice
52:13 <rust_collector> we are much warmer than that here. let me see
52:26 <rust_collector> yeah, it is 14. crazy!
53:28 <rust_collector> why do you plan to detonate nukes in the summer?
53:57 <Ysjoelfir> i have no idea, but its going to be 30+ degrees the next days
54:17 <rust_collector> oh, so not like the usual 800
59:01 <Ysjoelfir> no, but close
59:23 <Lord_of_nothing_> Good morning boys and girls.
59:50 <rust_collector> evening person
03:35 <rust_collector> today, I am happy that I do not build bridges, or other tall things
04:39 <Ysjoelfir> why is thawt?
04:56 <rust_collector> they are tall, and i don't like high up places
05:18 <Ysjoelfir> ah. well thats a valid argument
22:36 <rust_collector> I am not this guy: https://youtu.be/5ekZiLX5FVg?t=328
22:36 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: TOTAL IDIOTS AT WORK
24:20 <Ysjoelfir> erm.... thats brave
25:25 <Ysjoelfir> https://youtu.be/5ekZiLX5FVg?t=387 that one is nice
25:26 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: TOTAL IDIOTS AT WORK
25:50 <Ysjoelfir> and the one after that. wth? :D
26:43 <Ysjoelfir> oh god, all those car transporters... WTH don't they tie the cars down??
28:09 <Ysjoelfir> lol, the crane at ~9 min...
37:14 <rust_collector> there was 2 guys at work, that figured they would have a race, but as both trucks are limited to something, you know how that works. anyway, there was a car transporter coming the other way, and he jumped on the brakes, and this nice new bmw police car was launched off the top, and landed upside down in the middle of the road.... I dunno what happened there, but someone was upset about it
40:36 <Ysjoelfir> lol? :D
41:05 <hsn> rust_collector, ppl are dying and u talk about truck races
41:07 <K> hello avocados
41:15 <hsn> hello kewis
41:32 <rust_collector> hsn people die all the time, but they also make new people every day
41:47 <hsn> me no new ppl :(
47:24 * Ysjoelfir polishes hsn up
47:27 <Ysjoelfir> there, good as new
47:46 <hsn> no that wont fix me .. i mean me no new baby
47:56 <hsn> i wanna child
48:35 <rust_collector> can't you find a slightly used one? there are so many of them around
49:52 <Ysjoelfir> well, I am working on that for five years now, still didn't work. maybe I can borrow one from rusty?
50:33 <rust_collector> sure, take as many as you can carry
50:46 <rust_collector> or, I mean, as many as you can find
51:21 <Ysjoelfir> :P
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52:37 <Ysjoelfir> so... I go and grab my new light-drugs from the pharmacy. brb
53:19 <K> light-drugs?
53:50 <rust_collector> he will see the light
56:57 <DogWomble> i can see clearly now my brain has gone?
57:43 <Ysjoelfir> better call it drugs lite? :P I just wanted to indicate that they aren't as strong as the normal medication you would get for ADHD, which is basically speed with a more fancy name.
59:30 <rust_collector> low fat and no sugar drugs
03:58 <steve30> I've had a canon camcorder on my desk in pieces for a couple of days. I *think* i finally fixed it
05:16 <rust_collector> the healing bench has worked?
06:26 <steve30> contact cleaner and sellotape actually :)
06:36 <rust_collector> hmm, do you need a canon cb-2lse charger?
06:56 <rust_collector> I have no idea where it comes from, but it is here
07:45 <steve30> i don't have anything that would fit that
07:55 <rust_collector> same here, lol
19:44 <steve30> these flat flex connectors do seem to get dirty when you unplug/replug them umpteen times
24:51 <K> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-CB-2LSE-Charger-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0000C4G96
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11:10 <rust_collector> I still like this one a lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LR9L2KIC6w
11:10 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: Hand stuck in the glass prank
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18:01 <Ysjoelfir> re
19:07 <rust_collector> urr
19:49 <Ysjoelfir> urglmurgl?
20:17 <rust_collector> oh, you tried your stuff already?
21:40 <Ysjoelfir> Yes. First dose of 25mg Atomoxetin is in my humble self. I don't expect any (positive) responses yet, as it supposedly needs some weeks to start showing "noticable" signs of working. Though the..... erm... non positive effects should start more or less immediately, if my body is susceptible to that.
23:13 <rust_collector> well, it did improve your spelling, so..
23:48 <Ysjoelfir> lol
24:42 <Ysjoelfir> brb, unloading the shopping trolley
26:25 <rust_collector> be careful, shopping trolleys and drugs do not mix
32:56 <Ysjoelfir> oh damn, am I going to die?
33:15 <rust_collector> nope, you are immortal now
33:37 <rust_collector> but you can ride the shopping trolley to town now
33:56 <Ysjoelfir> woah!
51:46 <Lemon> hi frens
52:10 <rust_collector> hey-oo
52:34 <rust_collector> so, did the french invent that hand stuck in glass prank?
53:16 <Ysjoelfir> hey melon
58:33 <Lemon> heeehh no idea rusty
58:50 <rust_collector> mmmh. ok
03:51 <Ysjoelfir> hmm..... I shouldn't notice anything yet, but my body definitely notices something. my blood pressure is through the roof :D
04:55 <rust_collector> oh, you might not get the effect you are after in a while, but yeah, you will notice something pretty quick
05:48 <rust_collector> not that I ever tried fancy stuff from the doctor, in doses that makes sense...
06:05 <Ysjoelfir> 155/93 with 77 pulse. thats... a bit higher than my usual :P
07:43 <rust_collector> when I was in.... I think 5th grade, the school nurse checked, and thought i had a pulse of 16. That was funny. she wrote it on the sheet, did some more tests, and read thru her paper, and thought that looked a bit unusual
07:57 <Ysjoelfir> lol
08:13 <Ysjoelfir> just a bit, yes :P
08:22 <Ysjoelfir> your heart was probably just lazy that day
08:45 <rust_collector> yeah. no need to stress, and if I do, I might get close to normal
11:54 <Lemon> I always had a pulse under average, for some reasons
12:14 <Lemon> every doctors since im born told me that, but it seems to not be a problem lol
12:20 <Lemon> im just a calm lemon
12:41 <rust_collector> yeah, it is not like it matters what number it is, as long as it works
15:00 <Lemon> yeah
15:14 <Lemon> so yesterday night I spent like, 2-3 hours with my shitty breadboards
15:36 <rust_collector> WOOHOO! 32 points for you
15:43 <Lemon> I used a sturdy pin from a small bulb to loosen every single holes
15:53 <Lemon> yes it was long, and boring
15:55 <Ysjoelfir> did that work?
16:02 <Lemon> it seems to be better yes
16:09 <Lemon> but they are really low quality anyway
16:11 <rust_collector> so, you just wiggled the contact things?
16:12 <Lemon> some are too lose
16:24 <Lemon> I inserted it and it was enough
16:25 <Ysjoelfir> didn't you want to get a nic twin industries or 3M one?
16:36 <Ysjoelfir> *nice
16:45 <Lemon> I do but either I cant order them because of lack of TVA number, or its super expensive on farnell
16:53 <Lemon> 60 euros without shipping for the one you have :(
17:19 <Lemon> but yes that would be ideal
17:27 <Lemon> then I linked three together
17:36 <Lemon> ha, mother is here, brb
17:44 <rust_collector> say hi to mom
19:21 <rust_collector> I messed with my breadboard yesterday too. so now I have both of the power side parts on one side, and it looks so weird
21:20 <Ysjoelfir> Rusty, speaking of power... I might start with your little task you gave me this weekend.
23:22 <K> twin industries on farnell for 8 and 11 eur
23:35 <K> dunno about fr but shipping to lv is 7 eur i thing
23:37 <K> tinkh
23:42 <K> ffs
23:44 <K> think
24:24 <K> i've thrown cheap ass chinese breadboard stright into trash after debuging some shit for 2 hours
25:17 <Ysjoelfir> yep... same. since I have the twin I get the impression that I have much less problems when breadboarding
33:00 <Lemon> 8 and 11 ? can you link it please ?
33:05 <Lemon> I have different prices
36:13 <K> https://lv.farnell.com/c/tools-production-supplies/prototyping-tools-breadboards/solderless-breadboards?brand=twin-industries
37:07 <K> i mean those ar not huge or super-fancy, but still
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41:03 * rust_collector returns
41:44 <rust_collector> uh, ok, Ysjoelfir, there is no rush. go the beach and grill stuff if you want
47:20 <Ysjoelfir> jeg har ikke strand
47:36 <rust_collector> humm
47:51 <rust_collector> that could take some time
48:46 <Ysjoelfir> probably
49:22 <rust_collector> if you push france a bit to the south, it should be close to the sea?
49:59 <Ysjoelfir> I would prefer to go north, its colder there :P
50:16 <rust_collector> well, we will see about that...
51:46 <rust_collector> so, the wife is in town, the load of stuff from mrs onion van is there... I wonder what kind of stuff I have to do to that thing now.
51:59 <Ysjoelfir> xD did it return to you?
52:07 <rust_collector> not yet
52:32 <rust_collector> she is moving to town here, so I am pretty sure I will have some visits from it
52:58 <Ysjoelfir> didn't she live high up north?
53:01 <rust_collector> I know it needs new door bottoms, especially after it went off road
53:09 <rust_collector> yes, nooooorth
53:40 <rust_collector> i don't know what the plan is now, I was supposed to go pick it up last weekend, but... no...
53:51 <Ysjoelfir> lol
54:40 <rust_collector> https://www.google.no/maps/place/Hasvik+hotel+AS/@70.5301501,22.2559068,10.5z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x45c5fb34dd8264b5:0x6494e26ddfd75aed!8m2!3d70.4868866!4d22.1576227
54:54 <rust_collector> it is around there somewhere, so pretty up there
55:42 <rust_collector> the guy naming that place has as much humor as the guy that named greenland
56:59 <Ysjoelfir> what does it mean?
57:08 <rust_collector> south island
57:21 <Ysjoelfir> eeeeeeeeeeh? wth :D
57:26 <rust_collector> sørøya
57:39 <rust_collector> sør øy a
57:54 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, saw it and then I got it. so.... eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh? why would you call THAT island SOUTH island?
57:57 <rust_collector> hasvik means has bay
58:10 <rust_collector> has probably means nothing at all
58:11 <K> has sausage?
58:16 <Ysjoelfir> let me guess. hasvik doesn't has a bay
58:29 <Ysjoelfir> oh it has
58:34 <Ysjoelfir> well, at least that worked out
58:45 <rust_collector> eeh, probably just photoshopped
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15:03 <K> cardboard
16:29 <rust_collector> I think I have to go outside, I am in the retro corner of youtube again
18:57 <rust_collector> I blame this kind of stuff for a lot of things
19:01 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj8R7b00K7A
19:25 * Ysjoelfir raves to that
21:05 <Ysjoelfir> its actually not that bad imho
21:08 <Ysjoelfir> I enjoy that
21:44 <rust_collector> oh, they are pretty good at whatever it is they do, but try to translate it
23:13 <Ysjoelfir> I just did. erm. yeah I see
24:06 <rust_collector> same people as here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rii0bouFrbU
27:30 <Ysjoelfir> thats also pretty nice
27:58 <Lemon> ha yes TW boards prices are without taxes
28:08 <Lemon> so its like 13-14 per breadbard
28:11 <Lemon> breadboards
28:15 <Lemon> it adds up quickly
31:24 <Lemon> hmmm those jakemy tools looks quite nice, for the price
35:20 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zQoFaoYTzg
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36:22 * Ampera squeezes the Lemon 
36:26 <Ampera> how is my favorite fruit doing?
37:12 <Lemon> hehhh im tired but ok and you ?
37:27 <Ampera> about to get started on doing email things
38:03 <Lemon> heh things
38:12 <Lemon> rust_collector I found dis https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/1005001500950935.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000014.5.32878b06dWECUo&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller&scm=1007.33416.213724.0&scm_id=1007.33416.213724.0&scm-url=1007.33416.213724.0&pvid=4c5bd55b-279d-42fd-95bc-aac39f0d0e4a&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreOtherSeller,scm-url:1007.33416.213724.0,pvid:4c5bd55b-279d-42fd-95bc-aac39f0d0e4a,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2318_668%23888%2333
38:12 <Lemon> 16%230%23213724%230_23416%234721%2321967%23575_23416%234722%2321970%231_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327187%2377_668%232717%237566%23884_668%231000022185%231000066059%230_668%233422%2315392%23134_4452%230%23226710%230_4452%233474%2316498%23600_4452%234862%2324463%23534_4452%233098%239599%23447_4452%235106%2323440%23715_4452%233564%2316062%23714
38:13 <Ysjoelfir> ew, things
38:17 <Ampera> banned
38:25 <Lemon> couple people reviewed it and said its gud
38:26 * Ampera throws things at Ysjoelfir 
38:35 <Ysjoelfir> ew, more things
38:46 <Ampera> all the things \o/
38:53 <rust_collector> yes Lemon... that is a thing that exists, lol
38:53 <Ysjoelfir> that looks like a ballpen that had a liason with some plastic pancakes, Lemon
39:05 <Lemon> yes a bit lol
39:16 <Lemon> well I gave up the idea on building my own hv probe
39:24 <Lemon> doesnt sound economically viable, and safe
39:37 <Ysjoelfir> who needs safety anyways?
39:53 <Lemon> its always a nice thing
40:02 <rust_collector> not always.
40:18 <Ampera> yeah we should take all the seatbelts and airbags outta everything and ban traction control
40:25 <Ampera> the world would be such a better place for it
40:44 <rust_collector> nah, seat belts makes sense, but yes to the rest
41:13 <Ampera> but it's so cool when people instantly turn into soup when they hit the windshield
41:19 <Ampera> seatbelts take all the fun outta that
41:27 <rust_collector> well, airbags are ok, and these days, cars are made to expire before the airbags, so they should be ok
42:03 <Ampera> the way you do it is by having a car so big, and made out of so much steel, the other guy's car squishes down into a dime before you even notice
42:14 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
42:30 <rust_collector> CANYONEEEEEEROOOOOO
43:04 <Lemon> pfff I did 6-8 aerial/barrel rolls without airbags, at 150kph
43:07 <Lemon> like a real man
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43:42 <rust_collector> well, you know Ampera is in the us, so they have different airbags
43:56 <Ampera> yeah ours are made out of glass and pubic hair
44:06 <rust_collector> I don't doubt that
44:11 <Ysjoelfir> they have airbags that shoot you the dashplate with such a force into your face that your brain decorates the interior
44:21 <rust_collector> but us spec airbags are slower, and larger
44:42 <Ampera> obviously, we're slower and larger
44:58 <rust_collector> most americans are short, it says here
46:11 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera meant larger in the horizontal dimension
46:39 <Ampera> no I meant down there, but whatever
49:02 * Ampera sets a salamander on fire, places it in the center of the channel, begins to scream laughedly at it
50:01 <Ysjoelfir> muhahaha!
50:25 <rust_collector> ok, back later, maybe
50:28 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDzc7gZoJOY
50:33 <Ysjoelfir> have enjoys
53:25 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir is there any brand of flux that you recommend ? I only have a old circular box that you dip your iron in, and its not practical
53:33 <Lemon> I wanted a pen, or a siringue
00:01 <Ysjoelfir> I make my own for general purpose. I don't use much flux though, only for SMD stuff
00:20 <Ysjoelfir> oh wait, I have a pen that I use from time to time
00:26 <Ysjoelfir> want me to check what that is?
03:53 <Lemon> ho if its nearby yes, if not don't spend time on it :>
04:03 <Lemon> it will be mostly for smd stuff yes
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18:07 <Ampera> any container that stores flux is a flux capacitor
28:09 <DHess_US> That is going to be confusing when I refer to ferrite storing magnetic flux.
28:53 <rust_collector> ferrite capacitors are great
29:19 <DHess_US> Free space? Flux capacitor. Dielectric space? Flux capacitor. Anything? Flux capacitor.
29:43 <DHess_US> Air core inductor? Flux capacitor.
30:10 <rust_collector> that should make it easier
30:32 <Ampera> herb farms are thyme machines
52:47 <K> :|
55:46 <Nero_> hmm should I put unity gain buffers after my dac to isolate it or just use some big resistors
56:24 <Nero_> They will be connected to the gate biases of my chip, so I´m expecting pA currents
59:46 <K> less components, less noise
01:57 <Nero_> very good point
02:09 <Nero_> not entirely true though
02:26 <Nero_> Just look at how much transistors they stuff into low noise amplifiers, way more than my standard gain cells
06:26 <K> bigger the resistance, more the noise, right?
06:48 <K> hm or was it the other way around
08:17 <K> yes
08:45 <K> wirewound resistors for great justice!
14:04 <Nero_> yeah, higher node impedance has more voltage noise
41:59 <DHess_US> The only reason to buffer the DAC like that is to reduce output impedance, or to implement remote sensing to remove common mode nmoise.
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