// #eevblog — 2021-05-25
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00:20:07 <K> paper chicken - not so much
00:44:51 <T3sl4> true
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01:20:48 <T3sl4> steve30 trying to figure out windows https://i.redd.it/a0rq8lwm5cy41.jpg
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01:35:16 <DHess_US> There is an easier explanation, https://i.ibb.co/kcSSRj9/7.png
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02:04:13 <Ysjoelfir> lol
02:13:57 <rust_collector> wife drove away, I guess it is time to fire up the grill
02:14:10 <Ampera> congrats, you drove your wife away
02:14:52 <rust_collector> yeah, well, she could take the pile of dogs and kids with her
02:15:05 <Ampera> You hate your kids /and/ your dogs?
02:15:06 <Ampera> harsh
02:15:42 <rust_collector> not if you take one at a time, but as a group... sort of
02:20:07 <rust_collector> mmmh, hot dogs
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02:31:49 <Ysjoelfir> mmmh, burgers!
02:36:10 <rust_collector> wellhappyyoumrfancythings
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03:23:29 <Lord_of_nothing> a very interresting film about how the chips in the boobs get made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ciyXehUK-U
03:23:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: SiliconLite
03:24:49 <Ysjoelfir> boobchips?
03:26:43 <Kuschelpony> hmmm https://www.eevblog.com/forum/beginners/tv-cable/msg3575777/
03:26:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - TV Cable - Page 1
03:26:56 <Lord_of_nothing> yes the make out of silicon
03:27:19 <Kuschelpony> that totally smells like theyput a RCD on a TN-C mains
03:32:02 <rust_collector> at least we figured out why chipped boobs are round
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03:46:17 <Lemon> bobs
03:46:37 <rust_collector> U india sir?
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03:51:09 <Lemon> mr sir ?
03:54:05 * Ampera hugs Lemon
03:54:10 <Ampera> how are you doing mr. citrus?
03:54:27 <Lemon> ho wow two times in one day, im a lucky lemon :>
03:54:34 <Lemon> hehhh took a nap, still tired xd and you ?
03:54:39 <Ampera> don't worry, if my poor memory holds up I can do it a third time
03:54:53 <Ampera> I am tired and looking for an S-Video capture device that doesn't suck dick
03:56:52 <Lemon> hmmm I cant really help you on the matter sadly :/
03:57:06 <Ampera> not even god could help me here
03:57:09 <Ampera> I know because I'm him
03:57:12 <Ampera> and I can't help me
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04:03:18 <Lemon> if im not eating custom fees for my probes set / fluke 27/fm, I think I'll buy the dslogic plus
04:03:23 <Lemon> if not it will have to wait
04:06:12 <rust_collector> funny how that works
04:06:56 <Lemon> well ive been reading a lot, and it seems really nice, especially for the price
04:07:17 <Lemon> going cheaper is meh due to software support, and to have something better you have to quadruple the price, if not more
04:07:39 <rust_collector> sure. have you figured out anything to use it for yet?
04:10:46 <Lemon> hmmm yes I could use it with the 24bit adc board, and learn how it works, as I have a detailed datasheet for it
04:10:57 <Lemon> and understand the code better
04:11:37 <rust_collector> ok. are you going to?
04:15:21 <Lemon> if I dont take custom fees as I said, I do buy it and yes I will play with it, I want to learn about decoding various thingies :>
04:15:39 <Lemon> everytime I read about I2C, UART, SPI blabla I have no clue
04:15:48 <Lemon> so I'll have something to learn with
04:16:07 <Lemon> and I dont want to buy a super cheapo one, if for 7-80 euros I can have a really nice one
04:16:14 <rust_collector> yeh, but will you... or will you find some other weird thing you have to buy before you start doing things?
04:19:11 <Lemon> hehhh well, Id ilke to get a hot air station and that microscope but those will wait, so no I think im pretty set now :>
04:19:23 <Lemon> I already started reading art of electronics, to re-learn basics
04:21:09 <Ysjoelfir> maybe start a bit earlyer
04:21:22 <Lemon> theres couple things I want to build to learn, a linear supply for example
04:21:26 <Lemon> ho yes im starting now :>
04:22:41 <Lord_of_nothing> I want a toilet in my Home Office so how does everyone here like that design: https://www.laufen.co.at/LaufenResourceServlet/resources/getTransformation?idObject=%7B08B821BA-9258-4A79-881A-92A540D4D4E2%7D&trName=TF_ppt_A4
04:22:43 <Ysjoelfir> I meant with an earlyer time in history :D like... with this nice book. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1752D6q0Q8gfky8tuToQWu4LfnnI6cPm2/view?usp=sharing
04:22:54 <rust_collector> I have to sort my transformers again, because I don't remember which one did what...
04:23:03 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1766cssqTP3_nba0r90VA1jL6LYCtIfKz/view?usp=sharing
04:23:04 <EEVBot> [Title] - 302 Moved
04:23:43 <Lord_of_nothing> i would say it look very space age
04:24:07 <Lemon> oof yes thats old ! :P
04:24:22 <Lemon> well I thought about it but I think I'd rather learn about tubes and stuff after
04:24:27 <Lemon> once I grasped most of basics
04:24:42 <rust_collector> the chapter on i²c in that book is awesome
04:24:47 <Ysjoelfir> thats not a tube book :D
04:26:10 <Ysjoelfir> its about how electricity is created. modern things like mechanical rectifiers, tar/bitumen isolated wires and stuff like that is shown
04:26:31 <Lemon> ha ok ! interesting :>
04:26:44 <Lemon> maybe theres things like that in art of electronics too ?
04:27:09 <Lemon> I just want a big book, that starts from the basics (like I know nothing at all about electronics) to a certain degree of knowledge
04:27:58 <rust_collector> oh, well, just print out google, and you are done
04:36:25 <Kuschelpony> lordofnothing, yes i am here but i dont know if you can read my mprivate answers
04:41:56 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think he can, you aren't registered with chanop, are you?
04:43:14 <rust_collector> wow, this is just like I remember it. I should be at work in 4 hours
04:43:51 <Kuschelpony> no im not registered
04:44:11 <Kuschelpony> but any time, im open for communication on XMPP/Jabber
04:53:25 <DHess_US> Huh, Silicon carbide bipolar junction transistors, https://www.genesicsemi.com/sic-junction-transistor/
04:54:38 <Kuschelpony> uiiii
04:54:48 <Kuschelpony> my dream comes true!
04:55:03 <Kuschelpony> the first transistors that would actually light in normal operation
04:55:38 <DHess_US> Yea, they have had silicon carbide transistors and ICs for a long time for high temperature applications but never generally available.
04:56:14 <rust_collector> what is the extra pin for?
04:56:19 <rust_collector> (on some of them)
04:56:47 <rust_collector> gate return...
04:59:54 <rust_collector> oh. ok. that is interesting.
05:01:34 <Kuschelpony> hmmm, i think i need more than one of them, perhaps sent one to Noopy for die photos
05:01:50 <T3sl4> Kuschelpony: hmm, they probably ought to (light), huh
05:03:11 <Kuschelpony> yep, thats my hope
05:03:16 <Kuschelpony> forward biased PN junctions
05:03:20 <T3sl4> i wonder how serious they are about that SOA, no 2nd breakdown?
05:03:33 <Kuschelpony> now... someone needs to mount them in a 9-pin glass tube :)
05:03:46 <T3sl4> i forget what SiC emits light from, and there's a few allotropes, don't remember if there's a direct bandgap in there or what
05:04:09 <Kuschelpony> it is!
05:04:25 <Kuschelpony> i still have a SiC LED from the 90s when they were 15 DM
05:04:31 <T3sl4> hehe
05:04:54 <T3sl4> i know they made LEDs, just don't remember what combination of physics is at work there
05:04:59 <T3sl4> i recall they're terribly low efficiency
05:05:12 <Kuschelpony> yes
05:05:19 <Kuschelpony> dimemr than 80s red leds
05:05:31 <Kuschelpony> but i love the sky whiteish color
05:05:50 <Kuschelpony> its a light blue with a wide spectrum from red to violet
05:06:09 <T3sl4> likely these BJTs are more highly refined than generic LEDs, although, heh, if they managed to optimize that out, well, that'd be a bit disappointing idk :P
05:06:37 <T3sl4> but i mean, if it doesn't take too much effort to make a diode that glows, it's likely a much nicer diode (and other stuff) does too
05:06:47 <Kuschelpony> perhaps the best thing would be just base current without collector voltage
05:08:29 <T3sl4> imagine what collector avalanche does
05:08:37 <T3sl4> maybe it gives off xrays! /s
05:08:48 <Kuschelpony> veeeey soft ones
05:09:47 <Kuschelpony> reminds me of an antistatic device, that is essentially an Xray tube with special window, operated at 4kV that it is not official an Xray tube and you are allowed to hold your hands to it, as the rays dont even penetrate a latex glove
05:10:13 <T3sl4> mmm, ozoney
05:12:16 <DHess_US> <T3sl4> i wonder how serious they are about that SOA, no 2nd breakdown?
05:12:33 <Kuschelpony> hmm, im still trying to digest the datasheet what exactly this is
05:12:34 <DHess_US> I noticed that also. Hfe drops with temperature so it might be real.
05:12:54 <DHess_US> <rust_collector> what is the extra pin for?
05:13:27 <rust_collector> I think I found it, but I still don't know why it has its own pin
05:13:42 <DHess_US> High current/time through the emitter inductance makes it difficult to control the base, so they add an extra lead close to where the emitter connects to the emitter lead to avoid most of the lead inductance.
05:14:36 <DHess_US> Big SCRs and transistors have that extra emitter/cathode connection also.
05:14:46 <rust_collector> mmkay.
05:15:20 <T3sl4> kelvin connection
05:15:48 <DHess_US> When the emitter current becomes amps/nanosecond, then nanohentries of inductance in the emitter/cathode/source connection create problems.
05:16:46 <rust_collector> that sounds like it makes sense.
05:17:36 <Kuschelpony> hmm... interesting operation
05:18:00 <DHess_US> <T3sl4> imagine what collector avalanche does
05:18:01 <DHess_US> <T3sl4> maybe it gives off xrays! /s
05:18:04 <Kuschelpony> i see that either as an enhancement mode JFET or as an MOSFET without the O
05:18:04 <DHess_US> I like the way you think.
05:18:23 <DHess_US> Kuschelpony, it has bipolar transistor characteristic curves.
05:18:49 <T3sl4> i kid, but there are actually semiconductor thermionic/somethingonic emitters used in physics, now that i recall
05:19:14 <T3sl4> or maybe i'm thinking of that backwards because hammamatsu has those electron impact APDs?
05:19:28 <Kuschelpony> yes
05:19:36 <DHess_US> My father had stories about dealing with x-rays from when he worked at LRL.
05:19:44 <T3sl4> yeah i don't know why tf they put "gate" in there, it's a BJT plain and simple
05:19:59 <DHess_US> They were making x-ray lenses to take photographs of nuclear bombs as they detonated.
05:20:18 <Kuschelpony> it has bipolar curves, but they seem to come from a FET transistor in paralell to a PN diode, that converts the gate current epontientally into a gate voltage
05:20:19 <T3sl4> wheee
05:20:27 <Kuschelpony> perhaps there is no simple explanation
05:20:46 <T3sl4> Kuschelpony: that externally describes a BJT, yes :P
05:20:53 <Kuschelpony> anyway fast switchign and interesting SOA
05:21:10 <T3sl4> Ib = Is * (exp(Vbe/Vth) + 1)
05:21:11 <DHess_US> Now we need PNP versions.
05:21:31 <Kuschelpony> i know the alternative view that a BJT is a voltage controlled device with leaky gate :)
05:21:32 <DHess_US> I wonder what the hole mobility in SiC is.
05:21:56 <Kuschelpony> no idea... and to lazy to dig out the textbooks
05:22:00 <DHess_US> Kuschelpony, bipolar transistors *are* voltage controlled. That is what transconductance is all about.
05:22:07 <T3sl4> http://www.ioffe.ru/SVA/NSM/Semicond/SiC/ebasic.html
05:22:08 <EEVBot> [Title] - NSM Archive - Silicon Carbide (SiC) - Basic Electrical parameters
05:22:10 <Kuschelpony> btw: Dhess did you got yesterday the links about bassreflex tuning?
05:22:23 <T3sl4> Pch should be about as much worse than Nch, as for Si. not bad
05:22:38 <DHess_US> Kuschelpony, yes, heavy on the theory but light on the practicality. I got it tuned correctly.
05:22:51 <DHess_US> I found a reference to the problem I observed.
05:23:04 <Kuschelpony> i know, but its a dulaistic view: either base current in and gained up collector current out, or dulaistic base voltage in, collector current out, and a fraction of that is also leaking to the base
05:23:36 <DHess_US> The box volume doesn't match the driver real well leading to the asymmetry in the peaks that I observed.
05:23:47 <Kuschelpony> i expected something
05:24:00 <Kuschelpony> as said, there are a few optimum tunings, like Bessel
05:24:08 <T3sl4> better to think of it as Ib and Ic being independent, dependent on Vbe, and only coincidentally tracking with a typical ratio hFE
05:24:19 <Kuschelpony> and a line of different least-worst non-optimal tunings
05:25:06 <Kuschelpony> oh i do not see it as they are conicidently tracking, but more as an mechnism that leads 99% of the emiited electrons to the collector, and 1% leaking to the base where the control voltage ist also a bit sucking on them
05:25:07 <DHess_US> Exactly, in small signal applications, hfe is only useful for determining the input bias current and has nothing to do with control or dynamics.
05:25:16 <Lemon> rust_collector I know you are a pro when it takes to find any manuals, can you please try to find it for my ac/dc clamp ? its a "CH7075", as for the brand, nothing is written on it sadly
05:25:39 <Lemon> some sellers says "miller tools"
05:25:46 <DHess_US> Or think of the bias current as a side effect of unwanted recombination.
05:28:18 <Kuschelpony> basically i think about a diode into which i put a signal, and a third pin where i get an amplified version of it
05:31:03 <DHess_US> Hmm, hole mobility 8 times lower.
05:32:58 <rust_collector> Lemon pic?
05:33:40 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/114415777709?hash=item1aa3b637ad:g:0MEAAOSwz0xfZMvF
05:33:42 <EEVBot> [Title] - MILLER TOOL CH7045 DRB II 200/2000 AMP AC/DC CURRENT CLAMP | eBay
05:33:43 <Lemon> exactly this one
05:34:03 <rust_collector> that says 7045
05:41:24 <Lemon> yes ? :>
05:41:36 <DHess_US> Reading about how they make SiC transistors an it includes "Molten KOH". That must be fun.
05:42:41 <Kuschelpony> just dont drink it...
05:43:43 <DHess_US> And don't touch it. And don't be in the same room as it.
05:44:15 <DHess_US> Molten KoH is like nuclear power. It can be used for good or evil, and you don't want to get any on you.
05:44:37 <Kuschelpony> hmmm
05:45:04 <Kuschelpony> to be honest i have not yet played with molten KOH but with molten NaOH with some prcautions
05:45:18 <Kuschelpony> did even clean the nozzle of my 3d printer...
05:46:16 <T3sl4> coincidentally, sometimes nuclear power uses it, too
05:46:23 <Kuschelpony> i am fully aware that any droplet landing on you is big bad news, but its not that bad that i would run away from seeing a pot that is covered with an metal lid
05:46:34 <T3sl4> namely, when NaK coolant from a breeder leaks, spontaneously combusting to the aforementioned substance
05:46:35 <T3sl4> :P
05:46:45 <rust_collector> well, Lemon... there is a tiny bit of info on page 88 here: https://www.m2kinc.com/pdf/81-special_ins.pdf
05:46:49 <Kuschelpony> yep... thats a situation where i would run
05:47:45 <T3sl4> huh, i wonder what a hot NaK jet into air would look like. one hell of a burner, very smoky
05:47:56 <T3sl4> i suppose the combustion temperature wouldn't actually be all that impressive
05:50:03 <Lemon> rust_collector thanks rusty, you managed to find more than I did ! still nothing about its accuracy but I guess its impossible to find this info
05:50:17 <Lemon> the temp probe looks nice, 0.12% accuracy they say
05:50:32 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/1011852674
05:50:35 <EEVBot> [Title] - Miller CH7050 CHRYSLER DRB III 3 Temperature Probe for sale online | eBay
05:51:38 <rust_collector> as it is made for chrysler, and it has to do with electric things, I guess they have an accuracy of -200% or so
05:52:42 <Lemon> heh
05:54:16 <rust_collector> chryslers tend to be best diagnosed with a test light, and a hotdog. if your hotdog is done in 4 minutes, fix your grounds, and replace the tipm
05:55:19 <Lemon> I mean, those tools looks quite nice
05:55:33 <Lemon> they say accuracy under 10A is "marginal", but I tried at 1a and it was more than correct
05:55:45 <Lemon> probably means over 10A its quite good
05:55:51 <rust_collector> it is probably ok
05:56:11 <Lemon> Id be happy with 1% or better
05:56:48 <rust_collector> Yes, the specs says 0.95% so you are ok.
05:56:50 <rust_collector> have fun
05:57:35 <Lemon> heh perfect
05:57:55 <rust_collector> yes, I just made that up, but as long as you are happy....
05:59:00 <Lemon> I know rusty I know
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06:03:37 <rust_collector> Lemon you sent me to the weird corner with that search: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/362962760698?amdata=cksum%3A3629627606985a019d10400f4c10be184ad2732f3773%7Cenc%3AAQAFAAACMFzdnqvB5ZKew6N9%252FQXht9UI6z%252Fjjv6JoQ6uqkGz0SoIgsw2BJ7zD7ic2slS18nFiZJGgEzjLadZn1dRUhnrDYOrEA8IaWROqHPvqH2e3Dpun3h0%252B%252FvOfyqZQYw7bHBlorqubMSglVVxF0gwgu523eAp4Za9PLagt%252ByzmIrlwNpUTs%252FtvjRWdP3y6J8%252BLmrfPVTsyzT2%252B7WJx0J0SmVf4r03RHClIDdoS0%252
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06:03:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - Twin Peaks cosplay costume adult maid wear custom waitress dress | eBay
06:03:57 <Lemon> ho wow
06:04:04 <Lemon> twin peaks is my favourite series of all time
06:07:05 <Jens> dat url tho
06:07:23 <rust_collector> that is the way they like their urls here
06:07:59 <Jens> Everything after "?" is discardable.
06:08:25 <Jens> No wonder short url services are terrorising the internet.
06:10:03 <rust_collector> Lemon I am almost sure it is made by lutron
06:10:22 <Lemon> no idea
06:19:20 <rust_collector> it looks a bit like this one, no? https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/blue-point-eeta502-dcaaca-clamp-adapter/
06:19:23 <EEVBot> [Title] - Blue-Point EETA502 DCA/ACA Clamp Adapter - Page 1
06:26:15 <electrohead> o/
06:31:19 <Lemon> ho yes you are right !
06:31:36 <Lemon> +/-2% to 200A, +/-3% to 1500A
06:32:08 <Lemon> heh, good enough, means its probably quite good at the lower part of ranges
06:33:31 <DHess_US> DC clamp meters use linear hall effect devices which can have considerable error at low signal levels.
06:33:48 <DHess_US> Usually drifty as hell, which is why they have a zero adjustment.
06:35:09 <Lemon> well by low I meant, 100-200 amps on the 2ka range
06:35:27 <Lemon> I tested the 200a range with 1a, and to my surprise it was fairly good
06:35:48 <Lemon> but yeah im not expecting insane accuracy anyway
06:37:23 <DHess_US> That reminds me that I need to consider a replacement for my Beckman RMS225. It's ohms range is flaky.
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07:45:41 * Ampera hugs electrohead
07:45:51 <Ampera> how are you electroman
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08:16:00 <alfbaz> hello there
08:18:06 <rust_collector> morning
08:20:29 <alfbaz> hey rust_collector, long time no read :P
08:24:34 <rust_collector> well, I just got out of bed. it is my first day at work in a month, so this should be fun
08:25:45 <rust_collector> makes sense that because I have been away for some time, they put me on the first shift. which starts at 1.15
08:32:24 <alfbaz> curious where in the world do you reside because I just got outa bed. its 8:32am here
08:32:33 <rust_collector> norway
08:32:46 <rust_collector> it is 00.32 here
08:33:21 <alfbaz> so you're off to work soon then
08:33:52 <rust_collector> yep, pretty soon. I just have to eat my noodles, and find my coffee cup
08:34:33 <alfbaz> 1:15 start tine that's a wierd hour to start?
08:34:48 <rust_collector> we only have weird times, so...
08:34:54 <alfbaz> lol
08:35:35 <alfbaz> what tine do you finish>
08:35:39 <alfbaz> ?
08:35:54 <rust_collector> eh, not sure, I think it is around 7
08:36:33 <alfbaz> not a bad shift as far as nnight shift goes
08:37:12 <rust_collector> nah, it is pretty ok. but if you are 3 minutes late, you end up in the rush traffic, on the way back, which is no fun
08:37:57 <alfbaz> yeah i do 8pm to 8am
08:39:06 <alfbaz> I'm driving hone all happy amongst cranky bastards heading to work :P
08:39:19 <rust_collector> that is more my thing. starting after 6 is about right for me
08:42:20 <rust_collector> well, time to go, I guess. have fun
08:42:43 <alfbaz> you to, dont work to hard :P
08:43:02 <rust_collector> I would not worry too much about that
08:43:07 <alfbaz> lol
08:45:15 <alfbaz> Im outa here too, goint to update the OS on this nachine and watch it blow up :P
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10:02:44 <coppice> That place is quite impressive. Look at the factory on Google maps https://www.google.com/maps/search/POSCO+gwangyang/@34.9182152,127.726692,3536m/data=!3m1!1e3 and notice the football stadium next to it
10:02:46 <EEVBot> [Title] - Google Maps
10:03:48 <MrMobodies> Hello
10:03:55 <MrMobodies> I got a reply from my complaint
10:04:08 <MrMobodies> https://storage.googleapis.com/support-forums-api/attachment/thread-110844649-16228362546354358622.jpg
10:04:17 <MrMobodies> I don't know what they mean though
10:04:29 <MrMobodies> oooh
10:04:34 <MrMobodies> strange
10:04:35 <MrMobodies> https://support.google.com/chrome/thread/110844649/configuring-router-but-chrome-90-won-t-allow-me-go-log-in-router-until-internet-connectivity
10:04:37 <EEVBot> [Title] - Configuring router but Chrome 90+ won't allow me go log in router until internet connectivity. - Google Chrome Community
10:04:43 <MrMobodies> copied a jpg instead
10:04:58 <MrMobodies> "I've shared this with the Google Chrome community team for review."
10:05:23 <MrMobodies> Does that mean my post has been flagged as inappropriate or something?
10:05:30 <Lartza> No
10:06:00 <Lartza> It means the issue has been sent for triage to the community team
10:06:16 <MrMobodies> okay that's good
10:06:20 <MrMobodies> infact that is a first
10:06:53 <Lartza> "community team" might not be any actual developers yet but hopefully it gets there, sounds like a dumb feature to me
10:07:20 <MrMobodies> the last time I complained some years ago about the suggestions options being removed, the reply was "it was built in"
10:07:45 <MrMobodies> and I proved them wrong with Adblock the first time I starting using it in fact.
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10:08:42 <MrMobodies> I see, a bit like in the UK "plastic police" or community support officers
10:08:48 <MrMobodies> but anyway I like the answer
10:09:14 <MrMobodies> I am not offended by any arrogance yet like the last time when I went bezerk
10:09:17 * T3sl4 fe fi fo fum smells a faggy bum
10:09:21 <T3sl4> Halcyon
10:09:32 <Halcyon> Hey T3sl4
10:10:05 <T3sl4> :)
10:10:05 <MrMobodies> If it is put on a list to be fixed and never get's fixed so be it
10:10:17 <MrMobodies> but I am hoping for to no arrogance about it
10:12:35 <MrMobodies> another thing I am pleased about
10:12:37 <MrMobodies> https://www.overclockers.co.uk/forums/threads/technicolor-tg589vac-owners-thread.18696356/page-5
10:12:39 <EEVBot> [Title] - technicolor tg589vac owners thread | Page 5 | Overclockers UK Forums
10:12:51 <MrMobodies> the engineer name and access key works for the SSH root
10:13:10 <MrMobodies> so I might be able to turn on telnet and use it for the DSLstats
10:13:19 <MrMobodies> and set other things
10:13:31 <MrMobodies> otherwise it is a terrible waste sitting there in my cupboard
10:14:27 <MrMobodies> it doesn't seem lock down I suppose just not enough information in the package stuff sent to me
10:14:51 <MrMobodies> I think it is considerate for an access point mode, I might use it for that one day
10:15:10 <MrMobodies> and add external antennas on it I there were some plugs in there for that
10:17:37 <MrMobodies> joke: can I use a Threadripper to cut cotton sheets?
10:24:30 <coppice> no, but be careful using it for fibre communications
10:25:30 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
10:26:18 * Halcyon slobbers all over Ampera
10:26:43 <Ampera> Halcyon, call?
10:27:06 <Halcyon> Give me say... 15 mins or so? I'm just getting dressed and heading to the shops
10:27:12 <Ampera> alright
10:31:39 <Halcyon> Actually give me like 20, I want to have a quick shower before I go
10:34:30 * T3sl4 slimes Ampera
10:34:55 <Ampera> is this free range, fair trade, non gmo, organic slime?
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10:42:12 <T3sl4> nope, just regular oppressed thought slime
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11:09:27 <MrMobodies> Amazon refusing to show video's in HD even in Chrome 90
11:09:33 <MrMobodies> but that turned out to be a profile issue
11:09:50 <MrMobodies> just experimenting on the performance
11:16:12 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/s8jL7ix.jpg
11:16:37 <MrMobodies> it didn't do it on Chrome 81 on the laptop but it seems do it on that profile I used just for Prime
11:17:07 <MrMobodies> reset the profile and that message don't come up
11:17:11 <MrMobodies> copied on that works
11:17:49 <MrMobodies> just cycling through stuff and there don't seem to be much
11:33:59 * Halcyon fondles Ampera
11:34:15 <Ampera> Halcyon, good to know you're fondle of me
11:34:20 <Halcyon> :D
11:34:35 <Halcyon> I'd say I've always been fondle of you, but that would be creepy as fuck
11:34:36 <Ampera> how are you doing Halcyon
11:34:38 <Ampera> how was the store
11:34:44 <Halcyon> I found penis pasta
11:34:49 <Ampera> good
11:34:54 <Ampera> make it in a cream sauce
11:35:03 <Ampera> with sausage
11:35:16 <Halcyon> Check your phone
11:35:26 <Ampera> which one
11:35:34 <Halcyon> Check Signal
11:35:56 <Ampera> wait what
11:36:09 <Halcyon> No shit, I was looking for macaroni and they had those
11:36:11 <Ampera> that is some expensive pasta
11:36:17 <Halcyon> I don't think that's on purpose
11:36:27 <Halcyon> Oh yeh because it's all fancy and imported from Italy
11:36:34 <Halcyon> Plus it's a grocer so they mark everything up
11:36:38 <Ampera> how is that not on purpose
11:36:40 <Ampera> what's a grocer
11:36:56 <Ampera> besides a person who operates a grocery store
11:37:13 <Halcyon> They sell fruit and veg mainly but they also have a section dedicated to imported things like pasta, gelato, cheeses, drinks etc...
11:37:31 <Ampera> I have never heard of such a concept
11:37:49 <Ampera> they do not (typically) exist here
11:38:19 <Halcyon> Most places here have them on top of the usual supermarkets
11:38:29 <Ampera> on top?
11:38:35 <Halcyon> In addition to
11:38:39 <Ampera> alright
11:38:51 <Ampera> because we do actually have suprmarkets that have more than one floor :P
11:39:19 <Ampera> and that could have also meant store within a store
11:39:24 <Ampera> which is also a thing that exists
11:40:13 <Halcyon> We have those usually in cities where a single floor isn't big enough
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11:40:19 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/384148825890
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11:40:45 <rc_work> eveningz....people etc.
11:40:45 <Halcyon> Pretty
11:41:00 <Ampera> I am not a person I am a root
11:41:10 <Ampera> I soak up resources and contribute nothing to society
11:41:23 <rc_work> that is part of etc.
11:41:49 <Halcyon> Ampera is very etc...
11:42:14 <rc_work> so MORNINGZ very Ampera!!!
11:42:20 <Halcyon> I'm going to go make this spicy mac and cheese, if it turns out well, I'll post the recipe
11:42:21 <Ampera> rm -rf halcyon/../../etc
11:42:28 <Halcyon> If it sucks, I'll throw it at Ampera
11:42:40 <Ampera> I'll probably eat it
11:42:44 <Ampera> especially if it's dick pasta
11:42:52 <Halcyon> I'm not using the dick pasta
11:42:56 <Ampera> did you buy it?
11:43:04 <rc_work> it has some cock cheese
11:43:04 <Halcyon> Nope
11:43:10 <Ampera> what the fuck is wrong with you
11:43:12 <Ampera> idiot
11:43:19 <Halcyon> I get enough dick in my diet
11:43:28 <Ampera> that's like finding five hundred bucks on the ground and just not picking it up
11:43:35 <Halcyon> They stock it all the time
11:43:39 <Ampera> Halcyon, I didn't know you were that flexible
11:43:41 <Ampera> dick pasta?
11:43:46 <Halcyon> Yessum
11:43:55 <Ampera> you just said you think it was an accident though
11:44:18 <Halcyon> No, I think that's how it always turns out, but I don't think that was their intention
11:44:19 <Halcyon> I dunno?
11:44:26 <Ampera> but
11:44:29 <Ampera> they have penises in italy
11:44:34 <Ampera> they know what they look like
11:44:46 <Ampera> how would they not know
11:44:52 <Halcyon> https://live.staticflickr.com/6164/6204680202_48f65c81f3_b.jpg
11:44:53 <Halcyon> Then again
11:44:56 <Halcyon> Maybe it is intentional
11:45:57 <Halcyon> Yeh I can't explain that one. Maybe the Italians are just taking the piss
11:46:24 <Ampera> https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/5515le/this_pasta_is_supposed_to_look_like_lake_garda/
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11:46:29 <Ampera> read comments
11:46:35 <Ampera> looks like that's mostly the case
11:46:48 <Ampera> I'd have to do actual research, but I am in bed right now
11:46:54 <Halcyon> Heh
11:47:44 <Halcyon> Anyway back soon, making deliciousness (hopefully)
11:48:43 <rc_work> do it do it
11:50:04 <rc_work> i am thinking about making a kind of cake... maybe i should document that
11:50:42 <rc_work> but wth was it called...
11:51:56 <rc_work> meh, i want to make many kinds of cake. maybr it is best to not name it, just in case i make something else
12:01:36 <rc_work> wake up hsn! it is time
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12:23:41 <steve30> hi
12:32:14 <Halcyon> Mmm that turned out good
12:32:29 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
12:39:32 * steve30 collapses on Halcyon
12:39:39 <Halcyon> :)
12:39:42 <Halcyon> How
12:39:46 <Halcyon> How's it going Steve
12:39:47 <Halcyon> ?
12:40:08 <steve30> i feel a bit rubbish but at least i slept well
12:40:17 <Halcyon> Lucky you. I've got a cold :(
12:56:30 <T3sl4> filthy antimaskers
12:56:53 <Halcyon> We don't have to wear masks anymore
12:57:58 <alfbaz> Halcyon likes to lick handrails to see what other people are eating :P
12:58:05 <Halcyon> More or less
12:59:44 <alfbaz> I like to slide down them using my arse crack as a guide
12:59:55 <Halcyon> It's important to get a good seal
13:00:11 <alfbaz> indeed
13:00:13 <T3sl4> Halcyon likes to slide things down your crack as well :)
13:00:39 <Halcyon> :P
13:00:49 <alfbaz> which one, I have several
13:01:38 <Halcyon> Several cracks?
13:02:03 <T3sl4> the 's in his facade, for example
13:02:07 <alfbaz> well lets call them crevaces
13:02:14 <T3sl4> crevasses
13:02:22 <alfbaz> tanks
13:02:49 <alfbaz> ?h????
13:03:19 <T3sl4> crevices actually, butt you know :P
13:03:27 <Halcyon> :P
13:04:15 <alfbaz> don't mind me im aliterate
13:04:49 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - Another person just bought one of my meters with Doge Cashing out for real tangibles :-D
13:04:51 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMknQN70TpA
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13:05:56 <steve30> i finally figured out how to make asterisk record calls
13:05:56 <alfbaz> :D
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14:11:23 <alfbaz> cool an eclipse!
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16:02:44 <steve30> o/
16:02:49 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
16:02:54 <Halcyon> I'm about to make soup
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16:03:03 <steve30> i had stew
16:03:08 <Halcyon> Yummy
16:03:12 <Halcyon> Beef?
16:03:31 <steve30> yes
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16:18:09 <alfbaz> I
16:19:31 <alfbaz> I've been plastering the ceiling in my new lab, joining the drywall sheets. To the untrained eye however, it would appear I'm plastering the floor... and myself
16:20:39 <alfbaz> I need a fricken beer
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16:42:23 <rust_collector> lalala
17:03:44 <Halcyon> Right, soup it on the stove
17:04:04 <Halcyon> *is
17:04:13 * steve30 is making coffee
17:06:29 <steve30> apparently next door want to build an extention to their kitchen
17:07:19 <Halcyon> Oh?
17:36:09 <K> hello turnips
17:36:10 <EEVBot> Hello, K!
17:37:19 <Halcyon> Hey K
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17:39:24 <K> u wot
17:40:12 <Halcyon> How is it you guys have the same vhost
17:40:12 <Halcyon> ?
17:40:22 <Skaface82> is austnet playing up for anyone else?
17:40:35 <Halcyon> Yeh there was a network issue earlier Skaface82
17:41:02 <Skaface82> ah ok thanks
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17:48:06 <K> firrrrrrrrrrrr
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17:56:06 <Ysjoelfir> Kkkkkkkkkkkkk!
18:01:04 <Halcyon> Mmm soup is delicious
18:11:40 <EEVBot> [Twitter] - eevblog - For those not from Australia, that's right next to the harbour bridge https://t.co/UdFW2vfBAP
18:28:51 <Ysjoelfir> mmm, breadroll is even more delicious!
18:29:01 <Halcyon> You made breadrolls?
18:29:07 <Ysjoelfir> no. I eat them
18:29:39 <Halcyon> Ah
18:29:44 <Ysjoelfir> with nice stron blue cheese and german style bacon
18:29:50 <Halcyon> I want to make these breadrolls: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7brJ2UHIgQ
18:29:50 <EEVBot> [Title] - Youtube: 신박한 치즈버거 만들기 :: 빵 속에 빅맥 치즈버거가... :: 햄버거 만들기 :: Cheeseburger Bombs
18:30:13 <Lemon> hello frens
18:30:25 <Ysjoelfir> lemon, make that for me!
18:30:36 <Ysjoelfir> it looks gorgeous
18:30:45 <Lemon> what what
18:30:52 <Lemon> cheeseburger bombs ?
18:31:03 <Ysjoelfir> 신박한 치즈버거 만들기 :: 빵 속에 빅맥 치즈버거가... :: 햄버거 만들기
18:31:06 <Ysjoelfir> yes!
18:31:16 <Lemon> well I can do cheeseburgers, and bombs too
18:31:20 <Lemon> but both at once, hmmmm
18:31:59 <Halcyon> They don't look difficult to make
18:34:24 <Ysjoelfir> not realy. but it involves baking and flour.
18:34:28 <Lemon> hmmm seems I should get my fluke 27/FM today or in the next days !
18:34:30 <Lemon> yeyyyyy
18:34:36 <Halcyon> Weeeeee toys
18:37:55 <Lemon> yeah I can't wait !
18:37:59 <Lemon> well, I already did
18:38:03 <Lemon> but now I can't anymore !
18:38:08 <Halcyon> :D
18:46:32 <Halcyon> I want these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiCKZq3fMzE
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18:46:44 <Halcyon> But with cheese
18:47:59 <Lemon> ho we have a friend from my mother that is making some comte and polynoix, and man
18:48:08 <Lemon> first, that comte is certainly the best I ever had
18:48:44 <Lemon> and the polynoix is also quite good, idk what it compares too, its a bit sticky, but super good
18:49:02 <Lemon> the comte (I have no accents) she makes is super soft, not salty like a lot here
18:51:30 <Halcyon> I'm not sure if I've ever had it?
18:51:36 <Halcyon> I love soft cheeses
19:06:15 <rust_collector> toys!
19:06:19 <Lemon> well, soft is a big word for comte but some are super hard
19:06:29 <Lemon> https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comt%C3%A9_(fromage)
19:06:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Comté (fromage) — Wikipédia
19:07:04 <Lemon> on another hand the pollinoix is quite soft yes https://www.fromage-comte.fr/Boutique/Drive/home/183-le-polinois.html
19:07:06 <EEVBot> [Title] - Fromage Polinois
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19:07:51 <rust_collector> oh Lemon... why don't you collect cheese? there are so many disgusting cheese things out there
19:08:13 <K> rusty play nice
19:08:21 <Lemon> well I tend to collect them but they dont last
19:08:46 <rust_collector> meh, as long as you have them in your spreadsheet...
19:08:54 <rust_collector> K whyyyy?
19:09:25 <rust_collector> and, I am always nice, all the time. well, used to be, before they changed what nice means
19:11:02 <Lemon> speaking about spreadsheet, I wanted to make one to list items in my lab, so I can have everything tidy and keep track of what I have/miss/want
19:11:10 <Lemon> as I will soon move it to my flat
19:12:25 <rust_collector> line one column one 1 pcs bucket of test gear stuff. line 2 column 1 1 box test gear stuff
19:13:04 <Lemon> heh :> nah maybe I'll s imply make a list, we'll see
19:13:40 <Lemon> hmmm I found some probes for my ths710a, really cheap (28 euros) but its from south korea, theres 55 usd of shipping
19:13:47 <Lemon> it kinda kills the deal
19:13:56 <Lemon> I asked the seller and he said its the cheapest, I doubt it but well
19:16:30 <rust_collector> I would probably not even put them in a box and throw it out the window for $55
19:18:27 <Ysjoelfir> thats probably because a) you live in the land of horrendous in- and export shipping costs (for whatever reason that is so expensive) and b) you would have to drive the stuff around, so that would be even more work :D
19:19:25 <rust_collector> nah, I would probably just keep that old junk. it is my kind of thing
19:20:06 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
19:22:41 <rust_collector> talking about that... I just got a message, saying that they have started to look for temp workers for the summer........ .........................
19:23:01 <rust_collector> so, if anyone wants a job, come get 1 or 2
19:23:18 <Ysjoelfir> do those workes need to have a drivers license for trucks, or is it enough if you CAN drive a truck?
19:23:20 <rust_collector> I have a feeling this will be a 2 shift sort of summer
19:23:57 <rust_collector> I think it depends on how few people they have left, probably
19:26:01 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir I totally forgot, but you are using an esd mat, right ?
19:26:14 <Ysjoelfir> yes
19:26:16 <rust_collector> he IS esd
19:26:42 <Ysjoelfir> lol
19:26:45 <Lemon> do you remember the model, or the brand ?
19:26:51 <Ysjoelfir> yes
19:26:52 <Lemon> im looking for one but I have no idea of what to get
19:26:56 <rust_collector> 1990 german
19:27:30 <Lemon> https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/32739993401.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.1.7e537c8auz7sUs&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=1fcae543-0867-439d-9bb4-3cd96f23ff19&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:1fcae543-0867-439d-9bb4-3cd96f23ff19,tpp_buckets:668%230%23223416%231_668%230%23223416%231_668%23888%233325%2310_668%23
19:27:31 <Lemon> 2310_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%231000022185%231000066059%230_668%233468%2315614%23516_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327181%2350_668%232717%237558%23137_668%233164%239976%23391_668%233468%2315614%23516
19:27:31 <EEVBot> [Title] - Tapis antistatique + fil de terre + poignet ESD pour la réparation d'ordinateurs mobiles, couverture antistatique, tapis ESD, 700x500x2.0mm | AliExpress
19:27:43 <Lemon> this for example, it does the job ? or its a cheapo that wont last ?
19:27:56 <Lemon> ive seen some with 2, 3 layers etc
19:28:37 <Ysjoelfir> you don't want to pay that one I have, trust me. its a few hundred bucks because its pretty big and certified. also, you won't get it. that company is a bunch of fuckfarts and I will never recomment them, and they only sell to BIG companies, even me as a small business is not noble enough to trade with those fuckers.
19:29:11 <Lemon> lol... nice ! few hundreds ? :O
19:29:14 <Ysjoelfir> but that one you linked looks fine to me.
19:29:16 <Ysjoelfir> yep
19:29:18 <Lemon> I knew some were expensive but damn
19:29:25 <Lemon> how you got it ? :>
19:29:57 <Ysjoelfir> IIRC something around 325 or around there. I got it over ZES. They sadly bought one to many
19:30:16 <Lemon> damnnnn ! heh nice :P
19:30:24 <Lemon> but what makes it so expensive ?
19:30:28 <rust_collector> https://www.emagenturer.no/innredning/bord--and--gulvmatter
19:30:30 <Lemon> certifications, ok but well
19:30:30 <EEVBot> [Title] - Bord & Gulvmatter - EM Agenturer AS
19:30:41 <rust_collector> bordmatte is bench thing
19:31:37 <rust_collector> so, the first one is around 700eurodollars
19:31:48 <Lemon> yeah well
19:31:51 <Ysjoelfir> well, its not expensive if you consider that its a certified, very high quality mat. heat resistant (it can absolutely widthstand a soldering iron, in fact, I actually use it as a soldermat pretty often and its not even discolored), certified to have a good dissipi...tivity, and I could in theory send it in for the next 7 years to get it professionally cleaned and recertified for free
19:31:54 <Lemon> thats a bit out of my budget :>
19:32:11 <Ysjoelfir> also its pretty big as I said, with 160 x 90cm
19:32:12 <rust_collector> but you don't need 10m of it either
19:32:14 <Lemon> ok I see !
19:32:27 <Lemon> ha yes quite big thats true
19:32:46 <Lemon> well having one thats solder resistant would be nice, but I could live without
19:33:12 <rust_collector> nooo, no no. never
19:34:12 <Lemon> also I was wondering, why some soldering iron stations are several thousands ?
19:34:27 <rust_collector> because they can be
19:34:31 <Lemon> I mean, when I see how well my ts100 works, or how well a 2-300 euros metcal works
19:34:40 <Lemon> what are they doing more than those ?
19:35:17 <Ysjoelfir> more than one iron, good regulation, fast heating, stuff like that. but its mostly about reliability and certificates and whatnot in those regions.
19:35:43 <Ysjoelfir> for home and small business use I would say a professional station around 3 to 500 is totally fine
19:36:09 <Lemon> yeah ok
19:36:26 <Lemon> well for me the ts100 is fine, im not doing lots of stuff to justify having a 300+ one
19:36:37 <Ysjoelfir> If I wouldn't have several old stations that do what I need I would buy a new Ersa iCon or a JBC with the super nice 240 series handpiece
19:36:41 <Lemon> maybe I'll get that ksger t12, lots of people recommend it, and having a second iron is always nice
19:36:45 <rust_collector> being to lock the settings.... using active directory, per user
19:36:55 <Ysjoelfir> hehe, yes :D
19:37:09 <Lemon> also in the cheap nice accessories, https://fr.aliexpress.com/item/4001030586456.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.0.0.4c3357218x95SG&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=75ba0f92-6448-4d31-b4bf-88fecda37e71&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:75ba0f92-6448-4d31-b4bf-88fecda37e71,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2355_668%230%23131923
19:37:10 <Lemon> 3888%233325%2310_668%23888%233325%2310_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327187%2377_668%232717%237566%23884_668%231000022185%231000066059%230_668%233468%2315618%231000_668%232846%238111%231996_668%235811%2327187%2377_668%232717%237566%23884_668%233164%239976%23476_668%233468%2315618%231000
19:37:11 <EEVBot> [Title] - JAKEMY – outil d'assemblage électronique professionnel et Durable, haute qualité, support de Circuit imprimé pour téléphone portable | AliExpress
19:37:33 <Ysjoelfir> lemon, I have a T12. thats indeed not a bad thing, but it FEELS cheap
19:37:39 <Ysjoelfir> which is why I never use it
19:37:49 <Lemon> but which one ? because theres so many clones
19:38:09 <Lemon> T12 is the hakko based name I think
19:38:34 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/station-soudage-daluminium-%C3%A9lectriques-auto-sommeil/dp/B08KSGYCLD
19:38:35 <EEVBot> [Title] -
19:38:38 <Lemon> im talking about this one
19:38:48 <Lemon> next month I will surely buy the hot air station, from them
19:38:52 <rust_collector> my other hakko named clone also feels cheap, but at least it is
19:38:59 <Lemon> ive seen countless reviews and they are quite good
19:39:49 <rust_collector> yes, they get hot and stuff
19:39:59 <Lemon> the soldering station cost 50-55 euros, which is quite decent for what is it
19:40:07 <Ysjoelfir> I have the..... SomeWeirdName 984 or whatnot with the most expensive handpiece that is twice the price of the station. with that it feels ok-ish but still cheap
19:40:15 <Lemon> nice aluminium thingie, and you can plug different irons, which is nice
19:40:25 <Lemon> ha yes I see
19:40:31 <Lemon> https://www.banggood.com/fr/KSGER-T12-STM32-V3_1S-Welding-Soldering-Iron-Station-OLED-DIY-Plastic-Handle-Electric-Tools-Quick-Heating-T12-Iron-Tips-8s-Tins-907-9501-Handle-with-3Pcs-T12-Tips-p-1695566.html?utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_organic&gmcCountry=FR&utm_content=minha&utm_campaign=minha-fr-fr-pc¤cy=EUR&cur_warehouse=CN&createTmp=1&ID=514179&utm_source=googleshopping&utm_medium=cpc_union&utm_content=xibei&utm_ca
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19:40:33 <EEVBot> [Title] - Ksger t12 stm32 v3.1s welding soldering iron station oled diy plastic handle electric tools quick heating t12 iron tips 8s tins 907 9501 handle with 3pcs t12 tips Sale - Banggood.com
19:40:36 <Lemon> here is a link with the various irons
19:40:43 <Lemon> from what I saw, the aluminium handles are bad
19:40:52 <rust_collector> BAAAD!
19:40:55 <Lemon> but the rest is great, and you can change it when they are damaged, if it happens
19:41:06 <Lemon> and its small, which is nice
19:41:12 <Ysjoelfir> nah, there are more than those few
19:41:14 <Lemon> I also like the ts100 for that reason
19:41:16 <Ysjoelfir> let me check
19:41:20 <Lemon> ha yes there is !
19:41:25 <Lemon> its just an example
19:41:39 <rust_collector> hmm, I wonder how the ts80 compares to the 100
19:41:41 <Lemon> what I dislike about the ts100,is the handle
19:41:49 <rust_collector> (I think it was 80)
19:41:52 <Lemon> well I think I'd prefer the 80, ergonomic wise
19:42:01 <Lemon> its less powerful but it works really well from what I saw
19:42:14 <rust_collector> ok, that is not a thing then
19:42:41 <Lemon> but take a look at a few videos on the ksger t12, its surprisingly good
19:43:00 <rust_collector> I have seen many more than too many videos about those
19:43:20 <rust_collector> it is a t12 tip, with a handle and power supply
19:43:25 <Lemon> yep
19:43:35 <Lemon> but for once, its well made, for that price
19:43:47 <Lemon> and if the handle get damaged you are not stuck with a paperweight
19:43:55 <rust_collector> meh. the tip is the thing that makes it worth anything
19:43:57 <Lemon> they are pretty serviceable
19:44:30 <Lemon> and its quite accurate, temp wise, which is good because its not the case of my ts100 for example, its out by 30-40C
19:44:45 <Lemon> Idc about a couple degrees but thats a big offset
19:44:59 <rust_collector> did you calibrate it, and adjust it?
19:45:47 <rust_collector> I would like a travel iron
19:46:26 <Ysjoelfir> ah yes, I have that one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33059974264.html with that one handle in this listing that is not available, as well as the middle one https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32965564853.htm
19:46:27 <EEVBot> [Title] - STC T12 956 Soldering Station Electronic Soldering iron OLED Digital station T12 solder iron tip with T12 P9 handle NO plug|Soldering Stations| - AliExpress
19:46:30 <Lemon> I did ye
19:46:58 <Ysjoelfir> rusty, you mean a gas operated one, or a 12V/24V one?
19:47:18 <Lemon> ha yes ok !
19:47:27 <rust_collector> not sure?
19:47:35 <Lemon> well compared to a super expensive thing it surely feels cheap but im sure for me it will do the job well :>
19:47:41 <Lemon> rusty get the ts100 with a lipo
19:47:45 <Lemon> thats perfect for that
19:48:19 <rust_collector> I have been thinking about that. but... it is a bit like raspberry pi things, and arch loonix.
19:49:53 <rust_collector> butt... not that my station has any power to speak of, but it does have a 24v transformer, so... it would probably run off a small heap of batteries
19:49:58 <Ysjoelfir> if you want a cheap 12/24V one get one of those 942 queckoo, quicko, ksger or whatnot t12 things and add a 12 to 24V steu up converter. thats what I did with my Queckoo thing, I don't use it at home, but its in my toolbox in the volvo
19:50:22 <rust_collector> quacko.
19:50:27 <Lemon> for real I wouldnt bother and get the ts100
19:50:33 <Ysjoelfir> maybe also that
19:50:40 <Ysjoelfir> Lemon, the ts100 is a bit expensive
19:50:54 <Ysjoelfir> and I would say, a bit weak if you want to solder big cables in cars
19:50:54 <Lemon> 45-50 euros I think ?
19:51:07 <Ysjoelfir> thats roughly double that of the quarko
19:51:10 <Lemon> ha well yes its not really meant for that
19:51:25 <Lemon> its more of a RC iron I guess
19:51:38 <Lemon> you have some shit you need to do on a rc car/copter, bam
19:51:44 <Lemon> ok time to check the mailbox !
19:52:26 <rust_collector> hmm, the t12 can do around 70w?
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19:52:58 <Ysjoelfir> I never measured it, but IIRC about that, yes
19:53:48 <rust_collector> well, that could work maybe
19:54:04 <Lemon> weeeeeeee
19:54:08 <Lemon> fluke is here !
19:54:11 <rust_collector> BOOOO!
19:54:48 <Ysjoelfir> my donner should arrive tomorrow
19:55:07 <rust_collector> watch out, the police have surrounded it, they will ask why you import a clever mixture of anthrax and cocaine
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19:57:05 <Lemon> woah thats a big boi
19:57:22 <Ysjoelfir> lol
19:58:06 <rust_collector> did they pack it with a lawnmower attached?
19:58:14 <rust_collector> they might as well
19:58:41 <Lemon> no but it was well packed ! lets put a battery in it
20:01:05 <rust_collector> awwww. I wanted you to have a bonus mower
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