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23:05 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/gallery/oy40Kx3
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22:12 <electrohead> o/
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24:44 <guest012> Hello
24:45 <EEVBlog> Hello there, guest012!
25:35 <guest012> is it true that schottky and zener diodes are easily damaged by ESD?
39:51 <T3sl4> not really?
41:05 <guest012> I was confused as I was reading here https://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/blog/dont-get-zapped-know-esd/
41:28 <guest012> that "Microwave devices like Schottky barrier diodes" are effected by esd but I am not sure if that is all schottky or just certain
42:06 <guest012> I am trying to decide if I should store my zener and schottky diodes in ESD bags when placing them in drawers.
43:10 <guest012> the link also mentions "Precision voltage regulator diodes" and I am uncertain if they mean zener diodes
43:44 <T3sl4> microwave frequency diodes can be, yes
44:20 <guest012> are those a subset of schottky diodes? i.e. not all schottky diodes would be greatly harmed by esd?
45:00 <T3sl4> there are basically two variables in schottky diodes, voltage and size
45:11 <T3sl4> bigger size = higher rated current, higher capacitance, less ESD sensitive
45:51 <T3sl4> microwave diodes need low capacitance to operate at high frequency, so probably should use caution around ESD risk
46:39 <guest012> so for example I have some 1N5817 1A 20V and 1N5819 1A 40V schottky diodes. Would you put them into esd bags when storing?
46:51 <T3sl4> not sure offhand what voltage regulator diodes are ESD sensitive, at least to modest levels. maybe the precision ones are, or if it's not outright damage then maybe they merely go out of tolerance
47:43 <T3sl4> i wouldn't worry about those, no. but also if they're already in baggies, i wouldn't bother moving them around, because i'm lazy, and it doesn't hurt, better safe than sorry
48:04 <T3sl4> nor like, 1N52xx or 47xx series zeners
48:43 <guest012> thanks. I have a whole bunch of diodes of various types, some in very large esd bags and others in plastic bags.. I am trying to put them into drawers for easy retrieval
49:17 <guest012> what about signal diodes like 1N4148 or BA483?
49:58 <guest012> would they need to be placed in esd bags?
50:31 <T3sl4> not really
50:44 <guest012> ok. thank you!
50:45 <T3sl4> hm, BA483 is an RF switching diode, maybe better to
51:11 <guest012> the BA483 is a band switching diode for VHF application
51:22 <guest012> and I have BA223 which is AM band switching
51:40 <guest012> currently they are in pink poly bags...
04:33 <rust_collector> moooorning
21:30 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20210220_101133.jpg
21:38 <Ampera> h o m e f r i e s
29:57 <rust_collector> that is a good idea
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39:21 <hsn> Woah what a long day
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18:05 <rust_collector> it is the new 31 hour day. get used to it
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38:18 <Nothing\> hola
38:27 <rust_collector> hey nonthing
38:30 <Nothing\> hey man
38:32 <Nothing\> how's it going?
38:44 <rust_collector> well, you know....
38:50 <Nothing\> that bad, huh?
39:18 <rust_collector> I thought thar was pretty good, but
39:30 <Nothing\> guess it depends who you are lol
39:37 <rust_collector> could be worse, or better
39:54 <Nothing\> eh frankly i'd rather have at least some bad stuff going on
39:59 <Nothing\> life's more interesting that way
40:22 <rust_collector> it is just a different day. sort of like tomorrow will be
40:44 <Nothing\> it's like that nine inch nails song
41:12 <Nothing\> every day is exactly the same there is no love here and there is no pain
41:30 <Nothing\> not that pain rhymes with same, but who's arguing
41:53 <Nothing\> lol man i pulled the best joke on my mom
42:39 <Nothing\> we got a lottery ticket each the other day and when the numbers were drawn, i downloaded the html file and other related files to the page and edited the HTML to show my ticket's numbers as the winning numbers
42:56 <coppice> T3sl4: I'm not sure you can get BA483 right now. Not many people are flying between London and Barcelona
43:00 <Nothing\> then when we went to "check our numbers" i put on an acting show good enough to win an oscar
43:21 <Nothing\> it's cool too, i edited the html right in chrome
43:30 <Nothing\> using that inspect element thing
43:54 <Nothing\> you can just right click text and there's an option to edit it, so that's all i had to do
44:08 <Nothing\> otherwise i never woulda found it in that code, and damned if i have a copy of dreamweaver
44:15 <Nothing\> i don't even know if dreamweaver's still a thing
44:39 <Nothing\> i looked up HTML editors on google and all I got was a bunch of plain text editors, no real IDE
44:53 <Nothing\> first suggestion was notepad++ lol
45:22 <coppice> dreamweaver should have been put to sleep years ago
45:30 <Nothing\> so, it still exists?
45:40 <Nothing\> i half expected adobe woulda scrapped it
45:48 <coppice> dunno. its just unfortunate it ever existed
46:00 <Nothing\> when they took over from whomever it was before, i don't even remember what company owned that suite of software
46:17 <Nothing\> dreamweaver, fireworks, some vector drawing thing and one other i can't recall the name or function of
46:22 <coppice> its still on the adobe site
46:40 <Nothing\> i thought it was nice, at least when I used it last, which was like 15 years aog
47:26 <coppice> it wouldn't be so bad now, with fast internet. It produced such bloated pages everything was super slow in its heyday
47:45 <Nothing\> lol speaking of bloated pages, remember myspace pages
47:56 <Nothing\> where people would have like 25 different videos and flash animations on one page
48:08 <Nothing\> and even more sounds and music
48:18 <Nothing\> or worse, geocities
48:28 <Nothing\> which i hear still exists in some form
48:43 <Nothing\> or maybe they just kept existing pages up, I'm not sure.
49:05 <coppice> Its amazing what still exists - https://www.tripod.lycos.com/
49:13 <Nothing\> haha lycos
49:40 <Nothing\> can't say i ever used tripod
50:23 <Nothing\> i had a shell account on a friend's server so i just used the html server on there
50:36 <Nothing\> http, rather
00:24 <hsn> Yay i fcked up the table
01:06 <rust_collector> why did you do that?
01:18 <hsn> Because im dumb
01:21 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/CsQSgXhfAB7o2nSw6
01:32 <hsn> The right support isnt good
02:04 <rust_collector> ??
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03:33 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/XZp1NG7WydVjmiJJ8
04:06 <hsn> Its not adjusted ..
04:33 <rust_collector> adjust it?
05:04 <hsn> To much screws
05:10 <hsn> Leave it
05:16 <hsn> Fck it
05:38 <rust_collector> you only have to do it once, and it will sit there for as long as you want
05:48 <Nothing\> so i found a really good programming game on steam the other day
05:51 <Nothing\> https://store.steampowered.com/app/1397290/Comet_64/
06:21 <Nothing\> it's more puzzle than freeform, it gives you a certain goal and using a rudimentary assembly type language you have to figure it out
06:39 <hsn> So ... Unscrew and move the angle brackets to different position?
06:50 <Nothing\> like reading a bunch of integers from input and only outputting ones that appear once
06:57 <Nothing\> and eliminating any doubles
07:27 <Nothing\> sounds simple with flexible languages, but this one's pretty bare bones so it makes it a bit of a challenge
07:35 <rust_collector> hsn, I don't know how wrong everything is. just fix it
07:48 <hsn> Ok sir :(
08:07 <Nothing\> hsn: i used to put stuff like that together all the time as a kid
08:13 <rust_collector> you will have that thing in your room for 3-4 months and have to look atit
08:26 <Nothing\> my dad worked in a furniture store so i was always helping to assemble stuff for the displays in the show room
08:35 <hsn> 3-4? What happens after?
08:40 <rust_collector> who knows?
08:48 <Nothing\> hsn: planned obsolescence
08:56 <hsn> Nothing\: its borring for me
09:06 <Nothing\> then punch in
09:21 <hsn> I would rather kick it
09:38 <Nothing\> whatever your poison is
10:06 <hsn> Nothing\: u think this thing wont stay for long time?
10:17 <Nothing\> nah, i'm sure it will
10:18 <hsn> Should i coat it or somthing?
10:30 <Nothing\> i've had far shittier furniture that lasted years
10:46 <Nothing\> does it not already have a finish on it?
10:51 <Nothing\> cuz that would certainly help if not
11:03 <rust_collector> yes, you should put something on it
11:12 <hsn> Chemical finish? Nah
11:22 <Nothing\> hsn: yeah i'd suggest doing that
11:31 <Nothing\> but you'll wanna be in a well ventilated area to do it
11:31 <rust_collector> if nothing else, just to keep it from having too many coffee rings
11:46 <Nothing\> i couldn't tell you what to use, and i'm sure the guys at the hardware store couldn't either
11:50 <hsn> Smelling stuff?
11:55 <Nothing\> so you might wanna do some research if you're not sure about that
12:01 <rust_collector> It depends on what you choose to use
12:24 <rust_collector> do you want to change the color?
12:42 <hsn> Should i coat all of it or just the edges ?
12:50 <rust_collector> al of it
12:54 <hsn> I feel like the top is finished? Idk
13:05 <rust_collector> well, I really don't know
13:06 <hsn> Thats lots of smell
13:16 <rust_collector> THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU USE
13:32 <rust_collector> if you use non-smell something, then it will not
13:35 <hsn> I ll try transparent coatong
15:05 <Nothing\> hsn: i'd say all of it
16:12 <hsn> I bought sand paper drill type
16:30 <hsn> So i probably sand it before the coating?
16:32 <Nothing\> wow, i actually used polysporin for the first time in like 20 years
16:36 <Nothing\> and a bandaid
16:44 <Nothing\> i didn't even cover my 2nd/3rd degree burns
16:52 <rust_collector> I say floor varnish. but that is just because I am me. it is pretty tough stuff, and it has become much easier to apply in the later years, than it used to. but it does stink for a relatively long time before it dries properly
17:07 <Nothing\> yeah i was thinking a stain and/or wood seal
17:20 <Nothing\> wood sealant would be best, protects it from water, which will cause it to rot eventually
18:04 <rust_collector> do a very quick sanding, especially round over any edges slightly, then apply one coat of... transparent coating.... then sand it again, then 1 or 2 coats
18:39 <Nothing\> oh yeah, that too
18:47 <Nothing\> you'll wanna sand it nice and smooth
18:57 <Nothing\> smooth as a porn star's cooch
19:12 <Nothing\> and i don't mean the canadian word for couch
19:16 <rust_collector> My vote is for regular pu but. it depends on what you feel like
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19:38 <Nothing\> yeah, do some research and see what sounds like it would work best for you
19:45 <Nothing\> hey arch, how goes?
19:48 <arch> hi
20:31 <Nothing\> man, i've got like 65 games on steam
20:41 <Nothing\> i think i have an addiction problem buying steam games
21:05 <Nothing\> since i stopped smoking weed, i've had a few hundred bucks extra of disposable income each month
21:45 <Nothing\> but i haven't even played half of these games, and half of the ones i have played were just for a brief time
21:58 <hsn> I got 220 sand paper
22:08 <hsn> And 600 and 800 i think
22:26 <Nothing\> you know they make sand paper with a grit so fine it's basically as rough as a piece of leather
22:32 <Nothing\> that's just crazy to me
22:50 <Nothing\> doesn't seem like it would do much, but i guess if you really need it smooth
23:02 <hsn> Nothing\: i renewed my bmw head light with that
23:09 <rust_collector> 220 will be fine for the first, I don't think you need to do more than a that, but 600 is fine if you want to
23:11 <Nothing\> ah, nice
24:29 <rust_collector> it is interesting how much headlight plastic rots
24:48 <hsn> Nothing\: https://youtu.be/e-VdwI7VHiw
25:09 <hsn> 600 is for final coat rusty?
25:43 <rust_collector> it depends on what you want as your final coat
26:32 <rust_collector> you need to have a plan, then just follow it
27:49 <Nothing\> hsn: cool, thanks. you've piqued my curiosity now.
28:11 <hsn> Cool
28:17 <rust_collector> you can probably just slather it with some sort of coating, and be done. it is up to you to figure out how much work you want to do, and what you want it to look like
29:00 <rust_collector> Nothing\, the quick idea is to sand away the rotten plastic, polish it up, then seal it from uv
29:22 <hsn> rust_collector: i got 3 pcs of each grade ... ~10cm sand paper round disk .. u think enough for such table ?
29:34 <hsn> Or should i buy more
29:44 <rust_collector> random orbit sander?
30:16 <hsn> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0748DM6LW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_9NXAYK8EV0QYFB2YSW2W
30:18 <hsn> These
30:56 <rust_collector> nah, that should be enough for that project. as long as the "velcro" does not let go
31:40 <hsn> Aha .. ok i don't want to come and go to shop ..
31:46 <rust_collector> you do not have to polish your bench, it is a plywood work bench, not a piano
32:04 <hsn> I ll probably take a day off for this ..
32:31 <Nothing\> so, did you guys hear that dustin diamond died?
32:39 <Nothing\> i was pretty bummed about that
32:54 <hsn> No
33:02 <Nothing\> apparently he had lung cancer, only took a couple of weeks to take him
33:09 <Nothing\> so at least he went fast
33:26 <rust_collector> I have no idea of who that was
33:34 <Nothing\> he was screech on saved by the bell
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33:48 <rust_collector> oh.
33:59 Mode: (by ChanOP) +o Ysjoelfir
34:04 <Nothing\> damn cats are going all squirrelly
34:05 <rust_collector> hmm, that guy "steve"?
34:18 <Nothing\> my one cat keeps scratching the walls which is like nails on a chalkboard
34:23 <Nothing\> makes me wanna vomit
34:23 <hsn> I also didnt know him .. rip anyway
34:41 <rust_collector> why do you have blackboards as walls?
34:42 <hsn> Gutten tag Ysjoelfir
34:48 <Nothing\> ah, it was a great show, as a preteen growing up in the early to mid 90's
35:00 <rust_collector> one t hsn
35:02 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i haven't but it's the same basic sound
35:13 <Nothing\> although, having an entire wall made of whiteboard would be awesome
35:17 <hsn> Gutten ta Ysjoelfir
35:22 <hsn> Ops
35:26 <hsn> Gutten ag
35:37 <rust_collector> I don't like whiteboards, I like them black. I am board racist, I guess
35:52 <Ysjoelfir> Ich wuensche dir einen wundervollen Tag, mein liebster Freund hsn. Ich hoffe es geht dir so weit gut?
36:28 <rust_collector> no bing translate hsn
36:43 <hsn> Ich dont know was u say .. but are u asking me why i say gut
36:43 <rust_collector> (do bing translate?)
37:17 <rust_collector> he is wishing you a wonderful day, and so on
37:25 <Ysjoelfir> No. I wished you a wonderful day, my dear friend hsn. I hope you are fine?
37:39 <hsn> Oh.. ja ich gut .. danke dir freund
38:29 * rust_collector makes amused sounds
38:30 <hsn> Woah i wrote it with no translator
38:32 <Nothing\> my current whiteboard is woefully inadequate when it comes to size
38:33 <Nothing\> https://i.ibb.co/KyVctxF/20210220-133549.jpg
38:52 <Nothing\> also for some reason, it's almost impossible for me to remove any of that writing, even though it was done with dry erase markers
39:19 <rust_collector> you did write "that" with no translator, and I do not think you would get into serious trouble if you said that in germany
39:30 <Nothing\> it's like once it dries for a year, it's just embedded into the board itself and the only way to get it off is with really heavy scrubbing, putting my fingernails into it
39:36 <hsn> Nothing\: ur hand writting is bad lol
39:42 <hsn> I hope thats not mean ..
39:51 <Nothing\> hsn: it's hard to write without being able to rest your wrist on the board
40:05 <Nothing\> but no you're absolutely right, my penmanship's always been atrocious lol
40:13 <Ysjoelfir> It was pretty good :)
40:36 <Nothing\> and no, it's not mean at all. But I appreciate you being concerned about it being mean.
40:44 <Nothing\> you've got a big heart
41:40 <hsn> Thanks .. i say it as .. hmm friend .. laughing together .. some ppl say both engineers and doctors have bad handwriting ..
41:53 <hsn> Yeah that angle of writing affects alot
42:00 <Nothing\> but yeah a lot of that was just quick scribblings of formulas and stuff. Frankly I'd like to clear a good chunk of the stuff on there off cuz I don't need it anymore. But it takes so much time and effort to scrub it off, I don't even wanna bother
42:12 <Nothing\> i should just get a new whiteboard and put it next to this one
42:20 <Nothing\> or flip it around and start fresh
42:38 <Nothing\> i dunno if it was the brand of marker i was using, or the whiteboard itself.
43:41 <Nothing\> lol if you're familiar with walter lewin and his physics lectures on YouTube from MIT, but he has this weird way he draws dotted lines
44:06 <Nothing\> and somebody took it upon themselves to make a 5 minut compilation of every time he drew a dotted line through his physics 801 lectures
44:24 <rust_collector> when you figure that out with a marker..
44:26 <hsn> rust_collector: i probably dont know "that" in germany .. ist "das" ?
44:47 <DHess_US> I know today will be interesting. I am pouring hot hydrochloric acid into my big ultrasonic cleaning tank.
44:48 <Nothing\> hsn: i believe it is
45:02 <Nothing\> ugh das autophone ist ein... NUISSANCEPHONE!
45:16 <rust_collector> autophone?
45:30 <Nothing\> lol it was from the simpsons
45:44 <hsn> Nothing\: i use the glass cleaner to clean boards .. works pretty well
46:03 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/ns87x1X89jMXFjJN8
46:15 <rust_collector> what are you doing there, DHess_US ?
46:19 <Nothing\> hsn: not a bad idea, i was thinking of maybe trying alcohol
46:31 <Nothing\> alcohol's usually my gold standard for cleaning stuff
46:35 <Nothing\> even myself
47:04 <DHess_US> rust_collector, try to repair a dishwasher that someone, not me, put borax in. It clogged up the swing arms.
47:10 <hsn> Yeah i dont have it .. i tried a cologne .. not as good as glass cleaner
47:14 <Nothing\> when i smoked pot, i'd get a lot of tar and oils on my hands whenever i cleaned my pipes, so rubbing alcohol worked brilliantly to get it off my hands
47:21 <Nothing\> lol hsn
47:35 <Nothing\> you know, i still have a bottle of CK One
47:45 <Nothing\> i don't even know if they still make that stuff
47:56 <DHess_US> hsn, glass cleaner isn't a bad choice. It has a wetting agent and the ammonia evaporates without leaving a residue.
47:58 <Nothing\> i wish i could find a bottle of swiss army cologne, too. that stuff was great.
48:12 <hsn> XD... No kidding i ve one at work .. from start of corona there was time no sanitizers available .. used to use cologne
48:49 <hsn> Yeah and its works very well ..
49:05 <rust_collector> borax... that is interesting
49:36 <steve30> o/
50:41 <Nothing\> i never had a problem with hand sanitizers
50:52 <Nothing\> but damned if i could find a barber that wasn't shut down
51:06 <Nothing\> i wound up just buying a pair of clippers and shaving my head, been doing that ever since
51:10 <Nothing\> best $40 i ever spent
51:22 <Nothing\> haven't had to pay for a hair cut in almost a year
51:36 <DHess_US> rust_collector, I told them that borax was a bad idea. Now they believe me but it probably means buying and installing a new washer.
51:59 <rust_collector> I have not paid for a haircut in the last 30 or so years.
52:20 <Nothing\> it's messy as hell though, i basically have to stand semi-nude in my bathroom with towels on the floor, then shower immediately afterwards to get the hair off of my body
52:22 <rust_collector> right. it does seem like a not so great idea. but at least now we know
52:28 <Nothing\> and i'm just waiting for the day i get i hair sliver
52:37 <Nothing\> you guys ever get one of those? they suuuuck
52:43 <rust_collector> what?
52:48 <Nothing\> a hair sliver
52:59 <Nothing\> you can actually get hair embedded into your skin like a sliver
53:17 <rust_collector> hair sliver. ok. yes, I have those now and then, on my legs
53:33 <Nothing\> i didn't even know it was possible till one day years ago when i had this sharp pain in my foot and looked down to see a hair embedded like half an inch into the bottom of my foot
53:50 <Nothing\> apparently barbers get them a lot
54:21 <rust_collector> oh , external hair that grows in
54:38 <Nothing\> you mean ingrown hairs?
54:38 <rust_collector> I don't know if I had that.
54:50 <hsn> I didnt pay hair cut for last 30hours
54:51 <Nothing\> no no it's not growing, it's when the hair's already been cut
54:52 <rust_collector> yes, I was thinking of ingrown hair.
55:04 <Nothing\> and gets stuck in your skin like a splinter of wood
55:29 <rust_collector> right. no, I don't think I had hair stuck in my skin like that. but I have had plenty of other things
55:31 <steve30> I need a hair cut
55:44 <Nothing\> https://images-prod.healthline.com/hlcmsresource/images/womens-health/6508-hair_splinters-648x364-slide1.jpg
55:44 <hsn> First thing i did after self isolation exit test was barber rust_collector
55:46 <Nothing\> like that
55:57 <Nothing\> steve30, you should get some clippers man
56:04 <Nothing\> i'm telling you, it's the way of the future
56:15 <steve30> I have some, but I want new ones
56:30 <Nothing\> what's wrong with the ones you have?
56:42 <rust_collector> they are not retro enough
56:52 <Nothing\> heh you know i realized the other day i've been using the same electric razor since i was 15
56:55 <steve30> I think they are getting worn out. Also it might be good to get a battery powered one
56:56 <Nothing\> and i've never cleaned it once
57:17 <DHess_US> <Nothing\> i wound up just buying a pair of clippers and shaving my head, been doing that ever since
57:21 <Nothing\> although i don't use the razor part anymore, i just use the beard trimmer to shore up my mustache if i'm rocking a beard
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57:34 <DHess_US> Started doing that a couple years ago. Just changed the blades on my clippers last month.
57:49 * electrohead shaves everyone's head in the channel
57:50 <Nothing\> steve30, ah yeah, mine are battery powered and it's nice not having to be tethered to the wall
58:01 <DHess_US> Also got an oiler to hold the oil for the blades and filled it with gun oil. Now I smell 20% tougher.
58:23 <Nothing\> my electric razor doesn't have a battery, and i use it for my manscaping so i've gotta get the cord to reach all the way over to the toilet
58:23 <rust_collector> the last time I had a hair cut, I used the dog clipper thing.
58:24 <DHess_US> Also minty.
58:29 <steve30> In other news, I had a random guy today recognise me from YouTube. I guess I'm famous now :).
58:36 <DHess_US> I have an oster fast feed clipper
58:45 <Nothing\> steve30, do you oil it on a regular basis
58:51 <Nothing\> a few drops of mineral oil can do wonders
59:05 <steve30> Occasionally, although I don't use it very often.
59:17 <Nothing\> ah, yeah same here
59:18 <DHess_US> https://www.amazon.com/OSTER-Adjustable-Pivot-Clipper-76023-510/dp/B001JJBC9Y/
59:47 <Nothing\> i actually had a full of beard up until recently. longest i've ever gone without shaving
59:51 <DHess_US> Fuck mineral oil. I want my hair to smell minty and gunish.
00:33 <Nothing\> DHess_US, not bad
00:35 <DHess_US> Some oils are scented so that you can tell the type. I have some which smells like cherries and the greaseless version of the same oil which is also used as key oil smells like mint.
00:49 <hsn> https://www.ikea.com/bh/en/p/stockaryd-wood-treatment-oil-indoor-use-20240462/
01:14 <DHess_US> I originally got the clippers so I didn't have to shave in winter because a close shave does not go well with cold weather.
02:12 <DHess_US> Minty gun and key oil, https://www.itwprobrands.com/product/lps-1
02:14 <rust_collector> hsn, that will work, but it is not a coating as such. But it will probably work well enough, and it is fairy stink free
02:36 <hsn> Great thanks
03:00 <DHess_US> I actually use more of this on guns. It smells like cherries, https://www.itwprobrands.com/product/lps-2
03:05 <rust_collector> being a mostly electronics sort of bench, that will probably be good enough
03:25 <DHess_US> They also have a version with teflon in it so more like CLP.
04:02 <DHess_US> For electronics, you cannot beat this, https://www.mgchemicals.com/products/electronic-cleaning-products/contact-cleaners/super-contact-cleaner-with-ppe/
04:11 <DHess_US> Doesn't creep like silicon oils.
05:14 <rust_collector> non creepy
05:15 <Nothing\> so i noticed something weird about my ecig the other day
05:26 <rust_collector> Nothing\, you always do?
05:46 <Nothing\> it's got 3 contacts, but only 2 of them actually seem to do something
06:02 <Nothing\> the 3rd contact has no voltage potential between it and either of the other 2
06:08 <rust_collector> can you plug it in "upside down"?
06:14 <DHess_US> PPE is the low vapor pressure oil they use for vacuum applications. It has a high surface tension unlike silicon oils.
06:16 <Nothing\> actually, i can
06:34 <Nothing\> but that shouldn't matter, cuz the contact on the coil is circular
06:50 <steve30> I'm off to bed.
06:59 * steve30 snuggles up in Duvet.
07:00 <Nothing\> steve30, g'night man. have a good one.
07:05 <rust_collector> good night mr famous steve
07:23 <Nothing\> also, my ecig makes a buzzing noise
07:58 <Nothing\> like this low pitched square wave type buzz, sounds around 50-60hz
08:27 <Nothing\> it's quiet, but if i bit it with my teeth i can hear it through conduction in my head bones a la how beethoven used to hear his music
08:58 <Nothing\> i always heard beethoven would put a stick between his teeth and rest it on the piano so the sound could be conducted into his head bones and he could still hear it
10:00 <Nothing\> makes me wonder if it uses PWM to control the power output, but the ecig hasn't got an adjustable power output, so i dunno why they would need to do that
10:31 <rust_collector> 60hertz pwm?
10:49 <Nothing\> i dunno if it was 60hz, but it was very low frequency, even for audio
11:01 <Nothing\> it sounded pretty close to 50 or 60
11:33 <Nothing\> i've also noticed with some of my tv remotes, i can hear a very very quiet beeping sound whenever i press a button
11:41 <rust_collector> well, there is not much else that makes sense in those devices, so maybe?
11:47 <Nothing\> even though there's no speaker or purposeful way it should beep
12:18 <Nothing\> on the one, i could even see the LED light up a dim red in the dark
12:26 <Nothing\> so it musta had one hell of a wide spectrum
13:28 <Nothing\> also i can hear the oscillator for the voltage controller in cell phone and 3/ds chargers
14:03 <Nothing\> it's neat cuz with cell phone chargers, i can hear it continue for a good 30 seconds or so after i unplug it, then it slows gets lower and lower pitched until it stops entirely
14:18 <DHess_US> If you visit Beethoven's grave, you can his his 7th symphony being played backwards. He is decomposing.
14:31 <Nothing\> like when i turn off my LED lighting in my house, the light takes a few seconds to turn off fully
14:41 <Nothing\> DHess_US, haha
15:15 <Nothing\> i always wondered what some songs would sound like backwards. like just melodic type songs, none of that satanic messages in the lyrics stuff.
15:45 <rust_collector> back when I had a nokia, I could hear if the wife was charging her phone, of if I was charging my nokia, when I went into the bedroom
15:56 <Nothing\> that reminds me, i really need to get a new microphone. the so-called strain relief failed in my current one and the wires just frayed and eventually broke
16:20 <Nothing\> rust_collector, what like your phone was picking up the EM interference from her charger?
16:27 <rust_collector> satanic messages can be nice and melodic...
16:44 <rust_collector> no, it just had a different pitch sound than her charger
16:47 <Nothing\> ah
17:13 <rust_collector> she can not hear any of them. i guess I just hear high pitched stuff better
17:24 <Nothing\> actually with my DS Lite, i've got a flash cart in it, and whenever i load a game from the SD card you can hear the sounds of it accessing the data through the speakers
18:04 <Nothing\> rust_collector, i dunno about the frequency response of my tv's speakers, but using a tone generator i figured out i can still hear up to about 15500hz
18:34 <Nothing\> although it's really quiet by that point
19:24 <Nothing\> actually i remember having an MP3 player, or maybe it was a phone, where I could hear all sorts of sounds when it was accessing data
26:58 <Nothing\> found this book that goes in depth about transistors from GE, it's a pretty neat read, if anyone's interested
27:01 <Nothing\> http://www.introni.it/pdf/GE%20-%20Transistor%20Manual%201964.pdf
29:19 <Nothing\> oh, i need some advice about my computer
29:56 <Nothing\> see, i went to install a second harddrive, an HDD to go along with my SSD, but as far as I can tell, there's nowhere in the case at all to put it
30:05 <Nothing\> no drive bays what so ever
30:21 <Nothing\> doesn't even have anywhere at the front to put an optical drive
30:37 <Nothing\> https://i.ibb.co/QHTZrKx/Computer-Guts.jpg
30:37 <rust_collector> meh, get an ssd, and tape it anywhere
30:57 <Nothing\> rust_collector, well if you look in the picture, the SSD is sorta in this little box thing
31:20 <Nothing\> so i wound up just cramming the HDD underneath it inside the box, cuz there's an opening at the back
31:34 <rust_collector> yes, that it pretty common, it seems
31:36 <Nothing\> but that was all stuffed with wires, so i had to stuff said wires elsewhere
32:02 <Nothing\> rust_collector, it's a pretty dumb design for a case, i mean the PSU blocks all of the PCI expansions ports
32:58 <rust_collector> well, maaaaaybe you should have bought a different case, if you wanted to get to those?
33:27 <rust_collector> for people like me, who use intel built in graphics... a smaller box is great
33:29 <Nothing\> well, i bought the computer as is so this is just the case it came with. But yeah I'm thinking I may have to buy a new case for it
33:59 <Nothing\> or just stick it in my late 90's case i used on my old computer the last 20 years
34:11 <rust_collector> get used to it. computers always have some problem with something
34:18 <Nothing\> tell me about it
34:26 <Nothing\> ever try doing a repair on a compaq?
34:31 <rust_collector> well, in the start, the little computer....
34:43 <Nothing\> you had to basically take the whole thing apart just to get at the harddrives
34:51 <rust_collector> repair... no, my compaq did work fine
35:10 <Nothing\> well, i never really repaired one, but i did harvest drives from one
36:06 <Nothing\> but yeah actually, i guess i could put a 3rd harddrive on top of the SSD if i really need it. But you'd think that'd leave the SSD liable to overheat
36:06 <rust_collector> actually, my hp elitebooks have compaq on them
36:19 <Nothing\> i dunno how hot they get or how hot they can get before it's a problem
36:41 <rust_collector> just move the ssd, and ploink the drive where that is now?
37:00 * Ampera snaps Nothing\ in half
37:05 <Nothing\> there's nowhere to move it to
37:11 <rust_collector> yes there is
37:16 <Nothing\> hey Ampera, how ya doing buddy?
37:21 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
37:23 <rust_collector> everywhere not there is a place to move it
37:28 <Ampera> I'm fucking pissed
37:37 <Nothing\> lol rust_collector fair enough
37:44 <Nothing\> Ampera, sorry to hear that. What's up?
37:48 <Ampera> fedex came, rang no doorbells, and left without anyone hearing it
37:51 <Ampera> it'
38:08 <Ampera> s the most insane fucking delivery model that FORCES me to sit in front of my front door all fucking day
38:24 <Nothing\> yeah, i've been putting "signature required" for all packages i order on amazon and have yet to be asked for a single signature
38:27 <Ampera> because all it takes is a speedy fucking asshole who doesn't know what a doorbell does knocking waiting five seconds and leaving
38:30 <Nothing\> they just leave the package on my doorstep
38:39 <Ampera> Well this is over a thousand dollars worth of shit
38:41 <Nothing\> it's no wonder so many packages are stolen
38:51 <Nothing\> yeah taht's just fucking stupid
39:14 <Ampera> stolen?
39:18 <Ampera> no, they didn't leave the package
39:19 <Nothing\> i'd be pissed too, i mean the whole reason you pay out the ass for fedex is so they DON'T do stupid shit like this
39:21 <Ampera> they left with the package
39:38 <Nothing\> jeez, they might as well have not even stopped
40:41 <Nothing\> Ampera, so my PO says i don't have to see that shithead therapist anymore
40:49 <Nothing\> she's gonna refer me to another guy
40:51 <Ampera> good
41:24 <Nothing\> it is, cuz neither me nor my mom were comfortable even talking to the guy anymore. much less having a session with him
42:14 <Nothing\> which our last session wound up being 3 hours cuz he was so stoned that he just rambled on from one topic to the next for 2 of those hours.
42:48 <Nothing\> anyways i'm gonna have me some ice cream. I'm falling asleep here
51:16 <rust_collector> I scream is nice
00:16 * electrohead bops in
01:04 <rust_collector> have a good bop
02:05 <electrohead> something like that
02:09 <electrohead> sup 'n stuff?
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02:45 <rust_collector> looking at your brother boom making a dildo
08:05 <electrohead> ???
08:44 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW3_txSfIAQ
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42:42 <Halcyon> Mew
43:14 <rust_collector> hoiio
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54:55 * Ampera punches Halcyon in the face
55:07 <Ampera> er, I mean, Hi, how are you doing?
02:55 <Halcyon> :P
03:01 <Halcyon> Doing OK, how are you?
05:55 <Ampera> Pissed, FedEx came and never rang the bell
06:01 <Halcyon> Heh
06:04 <Halcyon> Left a card?
06:05 <Ampera> so if I want my package I guess I'm just going to have to sit next to the door all day tomorrow
06:06 <Ampera> no
06:14 <Halcyon> Did nothing?
06:21 <Ampera> If they knocked nobody heard it
06:27 <Halcyon> Oh right
06:41 <electrohead> Ampera: don't feel bad, they do the same thing to me
06:44 <electrohead> just 'drop and roll'
06:53 <Ampera> I wish they did that
06:59 <Ampera> they took the package with them because they need a signature
07:05 <Halcyon> I have most things sent to my local post office
07:22 <Halcyon> Yes it means I have to go there, but it's only a few minutes up the road and I'm driving past all the time.
07:22 <Ampera> Can couriers even send to US PO boxes?
07:34 <Ampera> it also does you no good if you need a signature
07:49 <Halcyon> *shrug* But we also have a "Parcel collect" address, which accepts courier packages
08:03 <Halcyon> Signature or not, it still gets delivered there.
08:08 <Halcyon> The post office just signs for it
08:25 <Ampera> I have no means to get to my post office anyways
08:36 <Halcyon> I'm just saying, that's what I do
09:11 <Ampera> Just about finished my federal taxes, I owe them money. Hopefully the state ones are better, but I doubt it.
09:21 <Halcyon> Bastards :P
09:40 <Ampera> It's because I'm claimable as a dependent, so pay the highest taxes of almost anyone
09:44 <Ampera> (in my income range)
09:48 <Halcyon> I cant wait until tax time... cash money
10:37 <Ampera> I've been fucking pissed all day. I woke up several times in the night in severe random pain for no reason, my grandfather keeps breaking his fucking computers, and now I have to waste all of tomorrow waiting for people I paid to deliver a package to me
10:57 <Halcyon> *hugs*
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17:17 <rust_collector> lalalalalalaaa. this place was really busy today...
22:49 <electrohead> it's bbeen getting slightly busy here at the store
23:29 <rust_collector> something makes me think it should be, each weekend?
30:58 <electrohead> been*
31:01 <electrohead> yeah definitely
31:03 <electrohead> :p
32:18 <rust_collector> if I am ever sent over there on a spy mission, I will sneak into your store, and buy something cheap
36:50 <electrohead> lol
58:14 <Ampera> you wouldn't buy something expensive, someone else would have already stolen it if it existed
01:25 <rust_collector> well, I would have him figure out the average price of all the items they sell, then pick something that is in the lowest 10% of that price
01:57 <rust_collector> I may or may not have my chechen fur hat on
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08:19 <JoeMamaPublic2> Hello
08:20 <EEVBlog> Hello there, JoeMamaPublic2!
08:52 <JoeMamaPublic2> Does anyone still chat here?
09:16 <Halcyon> Yep
09:20 <Halcyon> When they are awake :P
09:21 <rust_collector> electrohead does
09:33 <Halcyon> T3sl4 is also here randomly
09:41 <rust_collector> well, more or less
10:50 <Ampera> JoeMamaPublic2, I hope you like the bots I wrote. I'm the only real person actually here, everyone else I programmed myself.
10:57 <Ampera> They'll try to argue, but that's just because their AI is programmed to
11:08 <rust_collector> no we don't
11:18 <Halcyon> :P
11:34 <rust_collector> Halcyon, will try to argue about something
11:47 <rust_collector> or anything
11:53 <Halcyon> Whether cupcakes are a cake?
11:54 <Halcyon> :P
12:00 <rust_collector> that too
12:20 <Halcyon> Back soon
12:30 <T3sl4> Halcyon is a fruitcake not an argument just a statement of fact
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13:16 <Ampera> Halcyon isn't a fruitcake. Fruitcakes are mostly hated, but enjoyed by a few weird people
13:21 <Ampera> Halcyon is hated by everyone
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15:33 <Halcyon> Homophobe :P
15:46 <Ampera> AHHH, A GAY
16:02 <Ampera> QUICK, SOMEONE STEP ON IT BEFORE IT DOES A GAY
17:08 * T3sl4 steps on Ampera, steps and TURNS
17:25 <T3sl4> as in, like, runway fashion, because that shit's faaaabulous
17:42 <Ampera> that's not gay, that's just annoying
24:29 <DHess_US> Interior design?
25:04 <DHess_US> Also, Windows Storage Spaces handles bad drives very poorly.
25:12 <DHess_US> I am shocked, SHOCKED!
26:42 <rust_collector> that is impressive
27:17 <DHess_US> What is impressive?
27:43 <rust_collector> that it handles bad drives poorly enough to shock you
29:09 <Ampera> I find that Windows in general handles like a car with all but the first two gears missing, and the steering wheel replaced with a pair of vise grips
29:44 <rust_collector> I have actually tried that. i used that to and from work for a few months
30:10 <DHess_US> I've been testing storage spaces for a while, but it just pucks on bad drives.
30:28 <DHess_US> It continues to report the drive as good, which confused me until now.
30:52 <rust_collector> it was better than the car who had all but the 2 first gears...
31:50 <rust_collector> ok, what is the idea of storage spaces?
37:25 <DHess_US> You create a pool of drives, and then create volumes on those drives each of which can have different levels of redundancy.
37:54 <rust_collector> hmm, so sort of raid like things?
38:07 <DHess_US> So for instance the pool I've been using has 2 x 3TB, 2 x 2TB, and 2 x 1TB drives, and is using 3 stripe parity.
38:33 <DHess_US> Something between RAID and ZFS
38:52 <rust_collector> ok
39:42 <DHess_US> 3 stripe parity means every two "blocks" of each file is distributed into 3 parts across 3 drives and one of those parts may be lost without losing the other 2.
40:26 <DHess_US> And in theory you can add and remove drives as needed from the pool and redistribute the data across them.
41:02 <DHess_US> And it should work with any devices.
41:44 <rust_collector> sounds like a fancy idea
46:14 <DHess_US> It is not easy to manage.
46:40 <Ampera> that's similar to LVM on linux right?
47:08 <Ampera> reminds me, I need to port my ext4 install of linux to zfs one of these days
52:38 <DHess_US> I think LVM is just straight RAID.
55:01 <rust_collector> oh, this is nice. smart says my ssd is at -459.670000 F I know it has ok-ish cooling, but...
55:27 <Ampera> drive concatenation or pooling is something I don't yet need on my desktop, with my server using ZFS
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12:45 <DHess_US> Sorry about that. Computer crashed because the *other* RAID I was going to copy everything to has a problem also.
13:05 <arch> what kinda raid, raid5?
13:16 <Ampera> no, the insecticide
13:20 <DHess_US> Apparently the drives I was going to use are incompatible with the controller.
13:27 <Ampera> DHess_US has a major infestation, flies have been getting into his machines
13:32 <DHess_US> It was just 3 drive striped together.
14:03 <DHess_US> I had both bad RAIDs in the same system so it was a problem distinguishing which was causing problems. Well, it was both.
14:14 <arch> use Linux MD (software) raid. it's fucking awesome. and the CPU usage on modern machines is buggerall, maybe 2-3%
14:49 <DHess_US> That isn't very helpful if you want local storage.
15:05 <DHess_US> Unless you can use Linux as your desktop.
15:17 <arch> that's what any smart people do, you normie
15:28 <arch> stop sucking microsoft's tentacles
15:46 <DHess_US> I'll just buy new licenses for the software I use.
18:42 <rust_collector> I guess you have to spend money on something. if you like software... that is one option
32:17 <DHess_US> !#$%^#$%^
32:55 <DHess_US> While I was messing with that box I knocked the plug to the secure LAN out so suddenly I couldn't see any of the shares.
33:12 <DHess_US> Ended up rebooting my workstation because I thought it was a Windows problem.
33:45 <DHess_US> should have started with PING
45:01 <DHess_US> That other RAID might be having trouble because the cables are longer than usual. I have cables which are too short to reach and cables which might be too long.
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