// #eevblog — 2021-02-19
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00:00:41 <rust_collector> give him this link: http://theoreticalmachinist.com/IsoTolZoneCalc
00:01:12 <rust_collector> then have some coffee, to look like you know what you are doing
00:04:12 <hsn> that is good advice
00:06:31 <rust_collector> he really should know, if he has done any work. or you can do the calculations for him, and put it in the drawing
00:07:31 <hsn> dude im sick of bahrain .. i buy my m3 screws from china
00:07:59 <hsn> because hardware stores tell me "take 4mm" when i ask for m3 and then explain m3 means 3mm
00:08:27 <rust_collector> tell them that 4mm screws don't fit in 3mm holes?
00:08:34 <electrohead> hsn: tell them they are stupid?
00:08:38 <hsn> "make it bigger"
00:08:39 <hsn> lol
00:09:00 <hsn> electrohead, at first .. u think its that particular shop .. u go to next ..
00:09:10 <hsn> then .. u start buying from aliexpress .. lol
00:09:15 <electrohead> lmfao
00:09:23 <electrohead> so, a lot of dumb people live there ten?
00:09:25 <electrohead> then*
00:09:27 <electrohead> >.<
00:09:58 <rust_collector> well, have you asked them to order some m3 for you? if you keep making things that need m3... but a box of those
00:10:02 <hsn> well i know one particular shop that has small stuff "not everything" .. but he would sell u like 0.6$ per piece or somthing
00:10:08 <hsn> for m3 screws ^
00:10:27 <rust_collector> heh, we buy screws by weight...
00:10:44 <rust_collector> I have no idea what they are per piece
00:10:51 <hsn> nah .. they have someone that will count for u lol
00:11:15 <rust_collector> job security I guess
00:11:16 <hsn> thats the only store i like to go ..
00:11:21 <hsn> and its not so big
00:11:28 <rust_collector> good good
00:11:36 <hsn> i mean .. not so many in stock .. its big as shop ..
00:11:49 <rust_collector> ok
00:11:53 <hsn> then others are just .. boring dead .. bad .. etc etc ..
00:11:55 <hsn> yes
00:11:59 <hsn> fantastic
00:13:00 <rust_collector> so why do you keep using m3, if you can not get that there?
00:13:22 <hsn> rust_collector, wait
00:13:42 <rust_collector> just make everything larger, so it evens out if you use m6
00:15:24 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/qa4ADve6KALWBAbG6
00:21:55 <hsn> It doesn't work like that unless i design everything or modify everything
00:34:33 <hsn> https://twitter.com/eevblog/status/1362275419446124545?s=09
00:34:56 <hsn> Well .. chicken dinner is for next 3 days
00:35:21 <hsn> Turns out ms sand forgot the fridge open last night
00:35:28 <hsn> So all chickens are out now
00:38:08 <rust_collector> well, you do what you need to, I guess
00:39:18 <rust_collector> I remember mominlaw had a freezer full of stuff, then she moved, and the power was cut to the house. so after a summer, that was a pretty spicy smell in that box
00:40:28 <hsn> rust_collector: i got another one
00:41:19 <hsn> We travel for a month .. the electrical ministry ppl cut electricity because our neighbor is not paying .. lol
00:41:34 <rust_collector> perfect
00:41:58 <hsn> My cousine saw that .. he checks the house every weekend or so
00:42:37 <hsn> It was big freezer thingy anyway they ended up paying 1000$ or somthing
00:42:56 <hsn> For all the fish, shrimps and so on
00:45:43 <hsn> https://www.instagram.com/p/CLXQLxap_0n/?igshid=wt2kl2hpptjt
00:49:35 <rust_collector> those instagram welders are turning more into photography people
00:51:38 <rust_collector> ok, time to go outside a bit.
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01:21:33 <hsn> yes sir enjoy sir
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01:35:49 <rust_collector> bom pom wom gom lom
01:36:11 <rust_collector> has anything happened while i was outside in the world?
01:38:52 <hsn> Two things happened
01:39:00 <rust_collector> wow!
01:39:03 <hsn> ccvalerioo guy joined ..
01:39:13 <rust_collector> again?
01:39:18 <hsn> Kuschelpony guy left
01:39:23 <rust_collector> again?
01:39:26 <hsn> Yess
01:39:46 <hsn> They playimg with us or somthing
01:39:47 <rust_collector> that almost reming me of "someone" a while ago
01:40:07 * hsn hiding
01:40:15 <hsn> Who
01:40:23 <rust_collector> I don't remember
01:40:34 <rust_collector> because that is how nice I am
01:40:35 <hsn> Was he full of sand ?
01:40:47 <rust_collector> he was full of something
01:40:51 <hsn> XD
01:40:56 <hsn> Crap
01:41:00 <hsn> Full of crap
01:41:35 <hsn> rust_collector: i might do the supply thingy for fun .. well i suck .. appearantly
01:41:44 <hsn> uSupply
01:41:50 <rust_collector> I finally threw away my llama sausage yesterday. that thing was eew
01:42:15 <rust_collector> how are you going to do the usupply? it was never finished?
01:42:36 <hsn> rust_collector: modify new one based on it ..
01:42:40 <rust_collector> ok
01:43:12 <hsn> If it does 0-20v 0-500mA i call it success
01:43:20 <rust_collector> 60v 10a, ok
01:43:30 <hsn> With resuloution of 3mA or somthing
01:43:50 <hsn> And 30mV
01:44:00 <hsn> Or something
01:44:32 <rust_collector> mmhmm. and it will be powered from...
01:44:32 <hsn> No .. its just for testing small sensitive circuits
01:44:48 <hsn> From dc .. idk .. 30 .. or 12 .. or what
01:45:13 <rust_collector> if you want 20v, I guess having around 20 on the input would make it easier?
01:45:37 <hsn> Yeah .. probably ..
01:45:56 <hsn> The uSupply has boost converter
01:46:08 <rust_collector> ok
01:46:18 <hsn> And somthing like wall dc thingy
01:46:22 <hsn> 12v jack
01:46:29 <rust_collector> laptop charger?
01:46:43 <rust_collector> 19.5 or 20v, straight in
01:46:59 <hsn> rust_collector: im thinking to make it ..
01:47:14 <rust_collector> and mention dc wall thingy
01:47:21 <hsn> 1000mA .. but the input varies .. to near what ever it requires
01:47:31 <hsn> So it doesnt dissipate lots of heat
01:47:48 <rust_collector> oh ok. a preregulator
01:48:01 <hsn> In that case the input has to be variable
01:48:02 <hsn> Also
01:48:27 <rust_collector> hmm? ok, stop. I don't want to know
01:48:29 <hsn> And it may be funny .. 35mm depth
01:48:47 <hsn> Ok
01:48:51 <rust_collector> put it on instabook when you are done
01:49:02 <hsn> Sure
01:49:43 <rust_collector> yes, some of the old stuff does take LOT of desk depth
01:50:45 <rust_collector> my scope is 40cm. it was very nice to get it off my bench
02:01:04 <rust_collector> but, good luck with that thing
02:20:42 <rust_collector> i can only say that you should not copy my little power thingie. it is crap
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03:11:15 <hsn> lol .. i probably end up with crap thing but lets see
03:31:21 <rust_collector> it is a thing to do
03:31:34 <rust_collector> beats having a basket lid on your head
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03:52:21 <spark_gap> can you shed some light how to identify pin 1 on TLV9061?
03:52:26 <spark_gap> https://www.dropbox.com/t/aWoC2mzHL7LvVR9A
03:53:22 <spark_gap> is it on lower left corner?
03:54:07 <rust_collector> https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tlv9061.pdf?ts=1613643273390&ref_url=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ti.com%252Fproduct%252FTLV9061%253FHQS%253DTI-null-null-octopart-df-pf-null-wwe
03:54:12 <rust_collector> page 6
03:54:24 <rust_collector> but yours do not seem to have the "dot"?
03:55:10 <spark_gap> that's what confusing me
03:55:32 <spark_gap> is that line a new dot?
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03:55:45 <rust_collector> I am thinking it is, but... who knows?
03:58:10 <spark_gap> page 38 just shows some hatched area "PIN 1 INDEX AREA"
03:59:38 <spark_gap> so maybe these two lines on lower left corner is pin 1 identification
04:26:01 <hsn> spark_gap, i might be stupid ..
04:26:02 <hsn> but ..
04:26:16 <hsn> its either 1 or 4 .. right ?
04:26:35 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/NpUO6o.jpg << 1 might have body diode with V+ ?
04:27:09 <hsn> im not familer with these fet types if they have body diode or not ?
04:28:24 <hsn> i mean (1 or 4) = https://snipboard.io/qslk57.jpg
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04:33:15 <Ysjoelfir> So, guys... I need your immediate help. I have 1kg of ground beef and 2 packets of shrooms. Both need to be used today. what the hell can I do with it?
04:33:56 <arch> what's realistically the peak current a 555 timer can source/sink without being damaged? i know it specifies 200mA as the absolute maximum source/sink in the datasheet, but what about for short period like when charging a mosfet thru a small resistance?
04:34:15 <arch> make burgers
04:34:24 <Ysjoelfir> Shroom Burgers?
04:34:29 <arch> sure, why not
04:34:43 <Ysjoelfir> Like, add them to the ground beef?
04:35:56 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, lol .. u like me ?
04:36:08 <Ysjoelfir> I love you hsn
04:36:10 <hsn> i got some fridge off .. all chickens have to be used ..
04:36:14 <hsn> i love u more ..
04:36:21 <hsn> and meat thrown ..
04:37:09 <Ysjoelfir> :O
04:37:11 <hsn> but .. man cant u make burgers with that thing ? with shrooms ?
04:37:59 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, I think I start with cooking the shrooms and see what I do than. God a few suggestions in the other channel as well.
04:38:39 <hsn> cook me i can be ur meal
04:38:45 <hsn> since u love me
04:38:46 <hsn> lol
04:39:04 <arch> hah... gaaaaayyyyy
04:44:24 <hsn> arch, shhhh i'll be killed by king
04:45:18 <hsn> somehow i didnt see that u said make burgers ..
04:45:47 <spark_gap> hsn I soldered it suposing these two lines on lower left are pin one mark
04:46:37 <hsn> Ysjoelfir, looking at google pictures with "shroom burger cheesy" search ... oooaah
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05:05:57 <Ysjoelfir> uuuh, nice
05:24:37 <Halcyon> Morninnnng
05:26:50 <Ysjoelfir> morning Halcyon
05:27:07 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir how are you?
05:27:42 <Ysjoelfir> full and happy now that I had dinner :) You?
05:28:02 <Halcyon> Just woke up, it's almost 0530 here, just had my first sip of coffee
05:28:44 <Ysjoelfir> nice, if it would have been tea :P
05:29:01 <Ysjoelfir> So today you'll be enjoying german soup? or did you plan for that on the weekend?
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05:32:27 <Halcyon> Well, it would be perfect weather for it, it's been raining most of the week
05:32:57 <Ysjoelfir> nice!
05:33:13 <Ysjoelfir> but that sounds like a bit "but!"
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05:42:24 <Ysjoelfir> Todays feast: https://snipboard.io/cQzJoH.jpg
05:44:29 <Halcyon> BRB
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05:49:36 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: mmm, dog food
05:50:11 <Ysjoelfir> FU :P
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06:09:47 <hsn_> T3sl4: lol
06:10:15 <T3sl4> it's not an insult, dogs eat largely the same diet we do
06:10:22 <hsn_> /nick hsn
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06:10:49 <Ysjoelfir> thats true
06:11:27 <T3sl4> just a satirical description based on appearance rather than flavor, which i imagine is good :):
06:11:45 <Ysjoelfir> I immagined^^ I wasn't realy offended :P
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06:14:05 <hsn> Its a funny joke
06:14:46 <hsn> Heh T3sl4 and Ysjoelfir
06:15:05 * T3sl4 spams hsn
06:15:16 <hsn> Some schematics have dual op amp .. which are ... (2 components in sch library)
06:15:49 <hsn> But i noticed .. they can flip (the inv / non inv) in the sch
06:16:02 <hsn> How is that achievable
06:17:02 <Ysjoelfir> have part on cursor - X, space, space
06:18:14 <hsn> Do they make two copies ?
06:18:14 <hsn> https://images.app.goo.gl/yyCw8ZEp8cAzHV3t9 .. one identical one .. flipped?
06:18:42 <hsn> No .. that will flip it ..
06:18:42 <hsn> I ment they just flip the (+ / -) inputs
06:19:47 <Ysjoelfir> ah, if you have the pwr inputs on the triangle its not possible, right. I put the pwr always as a seperate part.
06:20:41 <Ysjoelfir> in this case you can of course modify the component in the schematic (not schlib, I mean the schematic sheet you work on), but keep in mind that, if you reload it from the library, it returns to its original form
06:20:55 <T3sl4> or Y
06:21:19 <Ysjoelfir> true. thats quicker :P
06:21:33 <Ysjoelfir> I somehow tend to use X space space though... dont ask me why
06:21:45 <T3sl4> i made mine the right way up anyway, but i also like to hide unused pins, which is a PITA but i likes my clean schematicses
06:21:46 <T3sl4> https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/Images/Opamps.png
06:22:01 <Ysjoelfir> but that also only works if the part doesn't have the pwr on the triangle
06:23:11 <T3sl4> both parts have it
06:23:17 <hsn> Yeah
06:23:27 <T3sl4> also using VCC on one, VEE on the other
06:23:36 <Ysjoelfir> I do it like that. this way you can rotate it however you want. https://snipboard.io/l1s8Tp.jpg
06:23:41 <T3sl4> like when two are closely stacked together, like a window comparator
06:24:17 <hsn> So .. does dave have like 2 lm358 in his sch lib .. and
06:24:39 <hsn> One has (+) on top for both A and B part?
06:24:47 <hsn> The other is .. ....... U know
06:24:56 <hsn> Or ?
06:25:37 <Ysjoelfir> erm..?
06:26:12 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: u can rotate urs? To face right .. and be .. + on top?
06:26:20 <hsn> The output on the right side
06:26:34 <Ysjoelfir> sure
06:26:46 <Ysjoelfir> just press Y
06:29:20 <hsn> ahaah
06:29:21 <hsn> yes
06:29:22 <hsn> that
06:29:22 <hsn> thanks
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06:35:57 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.ebay.de/itm/hand-hobel-antik-60cm/224264346265 WOW! That looks so great on the pic, I'll buy it!
06:50:54 <hsn> thanks for reminding me to check my bid
06:52:01 <hsn> Time left: 5h 22m 21s
06:52:01 <hsn> Friday, 4:14AM
06:52:02 <hsn> yeah
06:52:19 <hsn> wait a minute ..
06:52:34 <hsn> maybe the other bidder is waiting for last minute and gonna raise ?
06:52:56 <hsn> they do that stuff ? i never been in ebay auction
06:53:30 <Ysjoelfir> yes, they do that all the time
06:53:39 <Ysjoelfir> its the normal thing to do, bidding in the last 10 seconds
06:59:17 <hsn> oh fck
06:59:23 <hsn> i should put my highest pay then
07:01:08 <T3sl4> it's happening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm0b_ijaYMQ
07:01:49 <hsn> T3sl4, i worked so hard on this
07:02:05 <hsn> xD
07:02:12 <hsn> the chat is unreadable
07:03:29 <T3sl4> what chat
07:03:29 <Ysjoelfir> whats happening?
07:03:55 <hsn> T3sl4, live chat on youtube
07:03:56 <T3sl4> oh it is there, guess it opened after they went live
07:07:26 <hsn> so that rover is gonna fire a rocket into earth ?
07:09:17 <T3sl4> no that happened in july
07:13:48 <hsn> imagine they have few parts ordered from aliexpress
07:19:19 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/food/20210218_151700.jpg
07:19:22 <Ampera> home fries
07:19:34 <Ampera> hotdogs wip
07:22:07 <T3sl4> needs onions and peppers
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07:25:55 <T3sl4> https://i.redd.it/cihpya5tp7i61.jpg twist: she's suffering from humanitis
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09:04:04 <hsn> Aliexpress enclosure :::: Please allow 0-1cm errors due to manual measurement.
09:04:05 <hsn> Item color displayed in photos may be showing slightly different on your computer monitor since monitors are not calibrated same.
09:04:07 <hsn> Lol
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09:06:37 <steve30> Just about every chinesium has similar disclaimers
09:20:17 <Ysjoelfir> I love that "manual measurement" error, especially if the thing you buy is in generall not much bigger than 1cm
09:25:17 <T3sl4> you can save a lot on postage if your 1cm part has a tolerance of -1cm
09:27:38 <Ysjoelfir> indeed
09:27:46 <hsn> Or save - money if u get 0mm item as Ysjoelfir said
09:28:06 <hsn> Because u paid for air
09:28:20 <hsn> And u ve to confirm recieved
09:28:28 <Ysjoelfir> yep
09:28:31 <hsn> U cant lie about that sir
09:28:49 <hsn> US $7.50 | DIY Plastic Electronic Project Box Enclosure Instrument Case power supply Box electronics enclosure connection junction box
09:28:49 <hsn> https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0QZpFV
09:29:01 <hsn> Man this is nice enclosure i want it
09:40:54 <Ysjoelfir> looks pretty nice indeed
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12:04:40 <rust_collector> that is a nice enough box. but I think i prefer the red metal looking one on the side there
12:08:14 <rust_collector> https://de.aliexpress.com/item/33012473840.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.2.29274b1eio8k7u&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.169870.0&scm_id=1007.13339.169870.0&scm-url=1007.13339.169870.0&pvid=30a3b0e6-1368-4e9e-a755-6f7a79335b92&_t=gps-id:pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller,scm-url:1007.13339.169870.0,pvid:30a3b0e6-1368-4e9e-a755-6f7a79335b92,tpp_buckets:668%230%23131923%2393_668%23888%233325%2312_668%232846%238110%231995_6
12:08:14 <rust_collector> 232717%237567%23953_668%231000022185%231000066059%230_668%233468%2315608%23190
12:08:17 <rust_collector> haha
12:09:14 <T3sl4> buh
12:09:21 <rust_collector> HOI!
12:12:48 <rust_collector> well, maybe the blue one
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13:42:37 <electrohead> o/
13:42:51 <rust_collector> HellO dr head
13:43:09 <electrohead> hey mate
13:43:25 <rust_collector> is all the beer sold?
13:43:37 <electrohead> nah, it was a slow night
13:43:40 <electrohead> lol
13:43:51 <electrohead> we had no customers for a solid two hours straight
13:44:40 <rust_collector> that is almost enough time to update windows
13:44:47 <electrohead> heh
13:46:33 <rust_collector> so, this guy chad stanton, is he well known over there?
13:47:51 <electrohead> never heard of him
13:47:57 <electrohead> :p
13:48:11 <rust_collector> Ok, then I will not that down as a yes
13:48:28 * electrohead hands you an 'E'
13:48:52 <T3sl4> familiar as a made up character, but i may be misremembering the surname
13:49:13 * electrohead face hugs T3sl4
13:49:38 * T3sl4 gestates electrohead
13:56:48 * electrohead accepts
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15:05:48 <arch> T3sl4, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322530755_Analysis_and_Qualitative_Effects_of_Large_Breasts_on_Aerodynamic_Performance_and_Wake_of_a_Miss_Kobayashi's_Dragon_Maid_Character
15:05:52 <arch> it's real
15:06:22 <arch> science bitch!
15:06:25 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/PIOafIe.jpg
15:06:54 <arch> i imagine more or less the same aerodynamics as a cow, with the sizes going haywire these days. can't stand modern anime
15:08:53 <T3sl4> seems it wasn't published in a journal, let alone peer reviewed. this isn't science!
15:12:08 <arch> T3sl4, https://img.ifunny.co/images/35becdec712e1ce1ad3bf4bb473629de4fac70c70fe078d0cddedd1eeb96053e_1.jpg
15:12:47 <T3sl4> :D
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15:14:46 <electrohead> lol
15:14:58 <electrohead> hey arch
15:15:08 <arch> hi
15:15:16 <electrohead> how goes it?
15:15:26 * T3sl4 beers arch with one of electrohead's
15:15:54 <electrohead> https://troegs.com/beer/joyous-ipa/
15:16:00 <electrohead> having some of this, tonight
15:16:04 <arch> going pretty well. just been studying a lot this past week on the AWS sysops exam. my redhat cert runs out in march
15:16:26 <arch> im not gonna renew the redhat cert, it's too fking expensive, $400
15:16:42 <arch> and besides, it's not like im gonna magically forget whatever i learned
15:17:33 <electrohead> how long does the redhat cert last?
15:17:50 <electrohead> I never took the time to get that
15:18:20 <arch> 3 years, although mine was extended an extra 6 months, im guessing because IBM acquired RedHat. i got my cert back in 2017 end of year
15:18:29 <T3sl4> redhat, how 90s /s
15:19:18 <arch> lol, that RH exam is WAAAY tougher than what this AWS sysops is looking like. the RH exam, someone is watching over what you do and it's 100% practical and hands on
15:19:33 <arch> aws exams are multiple choice
15:20:22 <arch> im very meticulous when studying, so i literally have 3 full notebooks of RH exam notes and shit. i aced that exam 300/300, good shit
15:20:39 * T3sl4 headpats arch
15:20:48 <arch> :3
15:21:13 <arch> what's funny is i wasn't as good in school at studying as i am now, after college...*facepalm*
15:21:30 <arch> i coulda used some free monies from scholarships if i was smarterer
15:22:36 <electrohead> I still have yet to get some certifications >.<
15:25:15 <arch> imo, it doesn't really mean shit, so long as you are enthusiastic about what you do
15:27:01 <electrohead> I've always been, yet, I'm 99% self taught, therefore I've never received a call back in regard to putting out applications to jobs, my resume..
15:27:02 * T3sl4 does arch enthusiastically
15:28:03 <arch> electrohead, i know that feel man...it's fucked up. you can't get a job unless you have connections. turns out some random buffoon with no experience gets the job while the person truly enthusiastic and knows their stuff inside-out does not
15:28:24 <electrohead> >:|
15:28:30 <electrohead> yeah, it fucking sucks.
15:29:54 <electrohead> dude, I admin 20+ devices in my apartment, on a daily basis, I create IRC bots, random ass programs, I automate shit *for the fuck of it*, yet.. some random asshat with a bachelor's degree gets the vocational technical school job, just because 'he went to college for 2-3 years?'
15:30:28 <electrohead> that's my most recent adventure with that >.<
15:31:10 <arch> i sent out hundreds of resumes last year, was outa work for 8 months. i kid you not...just got back ONE response, and the pay was awful and NO health insurance or whatever benefits
15:32:15 <arch> obviously declined that one. right now, im still part time, but hey, making about the same money as i made before AND i have more free time. i consider a win-win.
15:32:31 <electrohead> what's fucked up, though - the VoTech I applied for an IT admin job... I fucking went there in the past, during high school, three years total I was there, had straight A's, and my last year I was graded for the help I gave out, in terms of fixing the IU29's network and computers, when their own techs couldn't fix what I fixed >.<M
15:32:36 <electrohead> -M *
15:32:51 <electrohead> yeah man, that's a win-win for sure, then
15:33:27 <arch> i dont even really care about the money, so long as i can pay the bills and eat, and have some pocket change to do my projects and learn :D
15:33:34 <electrohead> :D
15:33:38 <electrohead> that's all that matters
15:33:41 <arch> word
15:34:01 <arch> oh, and free time to learn, that's important too. don't wanna be working all day oc
15:34:16 <electrohead> heh
15:36:19 <electrohead> the third person at the beer store, an older lady, just quit on us, before we could fire her; she fucked up with the credit card machine for the X time, and my boss was just so happening watching the cameras when she fucked up royally
15:36:31 <electrohead> so I've been training a new guy the past three days
15:36:49 <electrohead> I'll be working 6 days in a row, but.. banking some money :D
15:37:19 <arch> overtime too?
15:37:24 <arch> overtime pay*
15:37:29 <electrohead> you saying you don't want to be working all day, made me think of that *
15:37:44 <electrohead> no overtime pay, but.. I'm definitely being paid for the extra time
15:40:25 <electrohead> I'm happy for it, though; I just got an email recently from Starlink, so I *need* the extra money to get the satellite dish and hardware :D
15:40:45 <T3sl4> so, don't let anyone tell you "don't take out college loans you can't afford"
15:40:52 <T3sl4> it's a racket the whole way down
15:41:35 <electrohead> it's always a racket
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16:15:45 * T3sl4 puts steve30 in a pool https://i.imgur.com/d4Ejia2.png
16:16:16 <steve30> hehe
16:22:10 <hsn> Yay i won the bidding sds1202x-e
16:22:44 <arch> nice, how much u pay?
16:23:00 <T3sl4> the ultimate price
16:23:01 <hsn> 315 with shipping stuff 400$
16:23:24 <arch> bruh, new it costs $370 off the official site...
16:23:39 <hsn> Yeah .. with shipping^
16:23:57 <arch> did you buy new or used
16:24:27 <hsn> New
16:24:51 <hsn> The official will not codt less than 100$ just for shipping ..
16:25:02 <arch> so why not just buy outright instead of bidding? u trying to save pennies and put extra stress on yourself?
16:25:37 <arch> i dont bother with bidding on ebay. i sort by free shipping, returns accepted, and that takes care of 99% of scumbags putting crap products
16:26:05 <arch> and buy it now
16:26:12 <hsn> Im from bahrain ... Shipping cost alot
16:26:21 <arch> oo
16:26:26 <hsn> Some are 150$+
16:26:46 <arch> all this time i thought you were from egypt
16:26:50 <hsn> This guy had 50$
16:27:53 <hsn> How scumbags put crap .. u mean if its not new?
16:30:35 <hsn> Anyway .. i think i saved more than 80$ with this guy .. all others had double shipping price
16:34:35 <T3sl4> https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/lmtzas/homemade_showbox_del_monte_2020/
16:35:54 <hsn> There is clapping sound missing
16:36:06 <hsn> Avocado's stage
16:43:17 <electrohead> that's awesome
16:46:47 <T3sl4> i literally lol'd
16:54:01 <hsn> On the floor T3sl4 ?
16:54:14 <T3sl4> no, that would be rofl'd
16:54:44 <hsn> Lold on the chair?
16:55:49 <hsn> https://www.livescience.com/magnetic-flip-42000-years-ago.html
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17:03:28 <T3sl4> euch, poor reporting
18:08:30 <steve30> I was just playing with one of my mini-CRTs :)
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18:49:25 <Halcyon> Mew
18:50:45 * steve30 paws at Halcyon
18:58:01 <Halcyon> :)
18:58:04 <Halcyon> Jerry says hi too
19:03:00 <rust_collector> morrgbalgrrr
19:03:07 <rust_collector> zz
19:03:09 <Halcyon> :)
19:03:16 <Halcyon> You need a coffee rust_collector
19:03:23 <rust_collector> that is true
19:03:46 <rust_collector> how are things downsta down there?
19:04:00 <Halcyon> I just got home from work and things are good :)
19:04:07 <rust_collector> woohoo!
19:06:19 <rust_collector> I slept on the couch today. I tend to sleep well there, but it never last very long
19:08:08 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckbfS99N6jY
19:08:12 <Halcyon> Hah, so interesting
19:10:54 * steve30 paws at Jerry
19:11:22 <Halcyon> Cockatiels are not for eating
19:11:57 <steve30> I was playing with one of my 1.5" CRTs just before you came in.
19:12:04 <steve30> And I've just made buns.
19:12:16 <Halcyon> Heheh what kind of buns?
19:12:18 <Halcyon> Like bread rolls?
19:13:43 <steve30> nah, cupcakes
19:15:32 <rust_collector> getting up before 4 to go to mcdonalds...
19:18:56 <Halcyon> How does buns = cupcakes? :P
19:19:13 <steve30> because here we call them buns
19:19:35 <Halcyon> Mmmmmmm
19:19:47 <Halcyon> Or are you trying to cover up that you are having cake for breakfast? :P
19:20:05 <steve30> Cake is good at any time of day
19:20:13 <Halcyon> I didn't say it wasn't
19:20:14 <rust_collector> if you can not afford bread
19:20:19 <Halcyon> But I too speak the Queen's English
19:20:35 <Halcyon> And I've never heard cake referred to as buns
19:21:47 <rust_collector> i don't think cupcakes even qualify as cake. they are their own thing
19:21:56 <Halcyon> They are cake
19:22:05 <rust_collector> only where you live
19:22:09 <Halcyon> Cupcakes without icing is the same as cake
19:22:16 <rust_collector> no
19:22:21 <rust_collector> they are CUPCAKES!
19:22:22 <Halcyon> Just a different shape
19:22:26 <rust_collector> yes
19:22:44 <Halcyon> But that's like saying a doughnut isn't a doughnut if it's elongated or filled
19:23:21 <rust_collector> they should be donuts
19:23:34 <Halcyon> So what makes a cupcake not a cake? It's in the name
19:24:11 <rust_collector> so all cakes are cupcakes?
19:24:51 <Halcyon> No, the inverse
19:24:57 <Halcyon> All cupcakes are cakes
19:25:34 <rust_collector> I do not agree. i see what you mean, but no, they are their own thing
19:25:39 <Halcyon> Just as buns, loaves or toast is bread
19:26:13 <Halcyon> Cake is the broader category that describes the thing. Not to mention cupcake batter is basically the same as sponge cake.
19:26:33 <Halcyon> So if it looks like a cake, is made of the same ingredients as a cake and is prepared like a cake, it's a cake.
19:26:46 <rust_collector> yes, there are lots of different cakes
19:26:51 <Halcyon> Yes there are
19:26:56 <rust_collector> then you have cupcakes
19:27:01 <Halcyon> But you are saying cupcakes aren't cakes... explain yourself.
19:27:10 <Halcyon> Physical appearance has nothing to do with it
19:28:02 <rust_collector> I just say they are cupcakes. if I wanted to be difficult, I would say they are bread with lots of sugar and some egg in it
19:28:32 <Halcyon> OK sure, so going back to my original point... how are cupcakes/cakes, "buns" ?
19:28:51 <Halcyon> Buns to me implies some kind of bread roll or similar
19:29:00 <rust_collector> I have no idea. the english like to be weird
19:29:05 <Halcyon> This is true
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19:30:26 <Watcher> Ysjoelfir have the metrahit 22s (https://www.gossenmetrawatt.com/resources/zz_tam/metrahit-22-26m/metrahit-22-26m-db_d.pdf) a fuse on the ampere measurment?
19:30:42 <rust_collector> buns to me is like a very fine and sweet bread roll
19:30:52 <Halcyon> I look at this the same way just as long blacks, lattes, cappuccinos and macchiatos are all "coffee"
19:31:01 <rust_collector> I can see that
19:31:09 <Halcyon> Bread here is generally not sweet
19:31:15 <Halcyon> Well... not laden with sugar
19:31:16 <rust_collector> not here either
19:32:16 <rust_collector> but buns are not eaten as bread. it might be a quick lazy lunch, you buy a bag of 6 buns, which are light fluffy and sweet, and often have raisins or chocolate bits in them
19:32:25 <rust_collector> (here)
19:32:40 <rust_collector> more like a snack sort of thing
19:32:48 <Halcyon> Well you would generally have buns/bread rolls with a filling, same as a sandwich. So cheese, ham, tomato... whatever.
19:32:58 <Halcyon> It's just a different form factor of bread
19:33:54 <rust_collector> on a bread roll, I agree. buns are in the weird zone between cakes and bread
19:34:21 <Halcyon> I do admit you can get sweet buns as well, which are more deserty
19:36:32 <rust_collector> that sounds like what we call buns here
19:37:11 <rust_collector> not to mention burger buns, which we call bread
19:37:20 <steve30> I should go for a shower
19:37:27 <Halcyon> We call them buns/burger buns/rolls
19:37:40 <Halcyon> Bread here implies loaf/sliced bread
19:37:55 <Halcyon> steve30, turn on your webcam :P
19:38:06 <steve30> I still don't own a webcam
19:38:53 <rust_collector> but the other camera you have streaming live, does almost count as a webcam, Imo
19:39:10 <Halcyon> :P
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20:04:36 <rust_collector> I wonder why hsn is so angry today. He should put his basket lid cap on again
20:04:58 <hsn> Im angry?
20:05:10 <Halcyon> ?
20:05:16 <rust_collector> yes, soon
20:05:47 <hsn> U cant make me angry i bought an oscillscope
20:06:14 <hsn> And today is my last self isolation day
20:06:29 <rust_collector> even when I mention that those come without probes?
20:06:42 <hsn> I checked lol
20:07:11 <hsn> But u can mention its only 110v
20:07:25 <rust_collector> I have been thinking I should get a pair of new probes.
20:07:29 <hsn> That will do
20:07:42 <rust_collector> oh, yes, it is only for japan, so no more than 100v
20:07:46 <hsn> Get probes
20:08:12 <hsn> Also i bought 2 crappy power supplies
20:08:57 <rust_collector> i do have 2 maybe original probes, that came with this scope, but... I don't know.... I think 2 of at least the same model would be nice
20:09:17 <rust_collector> oooh, 2 and crappy, that is my sort of thing
20:10:55 <hsn> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8fE213Tt3tHBk8YH7
20:11:21 <hsn> Whats ur scope
20:12:03 <hsn> I got 90v psu
20:12:34 <hsn> I wonder what happens if i touch 90v
20:12:37 <hsn> Dc
20:15:20 <rust_collector> eeh, you will probably survive
20:15:58 <rust_collector> what uses 90v?
20:16:12 <hsn> Human skin
20:17:08 <rust_collector> my scope is an old kikusui 5520, and i have an owon usb thing, if I need something more complicated
20:17:32 <hsn> Well i thought .. 30v 15A .. 90v 5A is cooler than 30v 20A 60v 10A
20:19:02 <rust_collector> you can pop caps faster with 90v, I guess. otoh, it is often quicker to just poke them into mains
20:24:12 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/XtJgqdZ
20:24:47 <rust_collector> it is super basic, but... so am I
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20:33:33 <Watcher> now a get confust a ddm acceracy the metrahit 22S have a accuracy of ±5% + 60 Digits for Best Capacitance Measurement Accuracy but it is a 4 3/4 handheld ddm. that is not possible in my eyes. can someone correct my and change my mind
20:34:54 <T3sl4> where did you read 5%
20:36:40 <Watcher> https://ie.rs-online.com/web/p/multimeters/3873378/ and look at the Best Capacitance Measurement Accuracy
20:41:17 <hsn> rust_collector: i want build shelves also
20:41:27 <hsn> Top of my table
20:42:03 <rust_collector> yep, that is handy
20:42:16 <hsn> That must drill walls?
20:42:28 <hsn> :(
20:42:29 <rust_collector> no
20:42:45 <hsn> How
20:42:59 <hsn> Modify table ?
20:43:07 <rust_collector> you can just put it on your table-desk
20:43:18 <K> hello snails
20:43:22 <hsn> So table on table
20:43:26 <rust_collector> hoio
20:43:29 <hsn> Exact same way
20:43:38 <hsn> Hellooo snail
20:44:01 <K> do you have snails in the sand kingdom?
20:44:03 <rust_collector> well, or you can make a fake wall, that you screw to the back of the table, or...
20:45:07 <rust_collector> mine is more to the table on table kind.
20:45:45 <hsn> Underground there are worms
20:46:07 <hsn> rust_collector: https://images.app.goo.gl/Ea41m57AFE6VRV818
20:46:19 <hsn> Yeah
20:46:48 <hsn> Not now. .. but later .. to put my stuff on them
20:47:01 <hsn> Resistors and other craps
20:47:39 <rust_collector> yes, good luck
20:50:13 <rust_collector> are you going for smd stuff? It would be cool to have reels of stuff like resistors, and hang them on a pin, like toilet paper
20:50:20 <rust_collector> or wire
20:53:03 <hsn> ah
20:53:04 <hsn> hmm
20:53:05 <hsn> idk
20:53:35 Quit: hsn ([email protected]) Changing hosts
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20:54:21 <rust_collector> yeah, just change hosts...
20:55:03 <hsn> what?
20:56:05 <rust_collector> <hsn> hmm
20:56:05 <rust_collector> <hsn> idk
20:56:05 <rust_collector> * hsn has quit (Changing hosts)
20:56:05 <rust_collector> <rust_collector> yeah, just change hosts...
20:56:05 <rust_collector> <hsn> what?
20:56:49 <rust_collector> so, yes, that. just change hosts, as much as you want
20:57:02 <hsn> i just .. "/identify" so i can private msg
20:57:18 <hsn> -NickOP- Password accepted -- You are now identified as hsn.
20:57:41 <hsn> dont tell anyone that im originally from canada ..
21:00:06 <rust_collector> ok
21:03:25 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/rvSNbwk
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21:04:05 <Halcyon> I'm tempted to order a Starlink service as a second WAN/backup
21:04:11 <Halcyon> For load balancing etc...
21:04:21 <rust_collector> that little battery managed 1A for a little bit, but it got really hot, lol
21:04:59 <rust_collector> Halcyon, just do it. space is already full of junk, so why not?
21:05:31 <Ampera> Halcyon, it's beyond the price I'd be willing to pay for something like that
21:05:40 <Ampera> but I know a lot of people who are seriously considering it
21:05:53 <Ampera> if the upload gets significantly better, I'll suggest my grandfather to drop his DOCSIS link and get it
21:06:08 <Halcyon> $139/month ?
21:06:10 <Halcyon> (AUD
21:06:34 <Halcyon> It's not that bad, for unlimited data and several hundred Mbps down
21:06:44 <Halcyon> Upload sucks but what do you expect
21:06:54 <K> it is unlimited now
21:06:58 <Ampera> No I mean, for a backup connection
21:06:58 <Watcher> Halcyon that is here relaelly expecive for normal internet
21:07:10 <Halcyon> But I can load balance
21:07:16 <Watcher> but i now that it is there a normal price
21:07:17 <Ampera> meaning, 140/month for something you may or may not do
21:07:18 <Ampera> true
21:07:27 <Ampera> though that adds not insignificant complexity
21:07:59 <Halcyon> Not at all, load balancing multiple WANs is literally a few check boxes in pfSense
21:08:37 <Ampera> does it do it simply by just balancing which sockets go where
21:08:42 <Ampera> presumably that's how
21:08:55 <Ampera> one sec, NIC is throwing a hissy fit, need to restart the link
21:09:07 <Halcyon> It looks at all the states on the LAN(s) then distributes them across all WAN links
21:09:17 <Halcyon> Or, if one goes down, re-routes them
21:10:00 <Halcyon> The downside to Starlink is that it uses CG-NAT
21:10:09 <Halcyon> So if you want a public IP, you're out of luck
21:10:23 <Halcyon> But a lot of providers are going that way
21:10:30 <K> is it ipv4?
21:10:35 <Halcyon> For now
21:10:45 <Ampera> CG-NAT will be fine if/when IPv4 is permanently discontinued
21:10:59 <Halcyon> Well CG-NAT *is* IPv4
21:11:04 <Ampera> that's my point
21:11:07 <Halcyon> It's just not everyone can have their own public IP
21:11:19 <Ampera> Thankfully my ISP still gives me a real IP address
21:11:41 <Halcyon> For now. I see a day when residential plans won't.
21:11:42 <Ampera> if they didn't it'd simply get expensive having to route certain traffic through a proxy of some sort
21:12:00 <Halcyon> Some cheaper companies here are already doing it
21:12:08 <Halcyon> I still get a free static IPv4 address
21:12:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, anyways, my question about pfSense is /how/ it distributes connections over multiple WANs
21:12:30 <Ampera> because there are several ways to do it
21:12:43 <Halcyon> And there are several ways to set it up in pfSense
21:12:46 <Ampera> you could do it by connection/by socket, where each connection is roughly balanced to different WANs
21:13:17 <Ampera> or you could do it by splitting sockets across WANs, reassembling them on the other end using some sort of proxy
21:13:27 <Ampera> or you could do it by assigning different LANs different WANs
21:15:50 <Halcyon> Most ISPs won't allow you to aggregate links
21:16:03 <Halcyon> And it's (as far as I know) impossible across different ISPs
21:16:19 <Ampera> It's not impossible, just impractical
21:16:35 <Halcyon> I don't see how it is possible unless those ISPs have some kind of collaboration
21:16:49 <Halcyon> Across different states, sure, easy, you're not relying on the ISP at all
21:17:48 <Ampera> simple VPN logic, whatever bytes are coming across the socket, split them up, transmit them separately to a common endpoint, reassemble, transmit
21:18:12 <Ampera> it requires you to have some sort of server of your own in a datacenter to reassemble it, and you'll be dealing with extra latency
21:18:15 <Ampera> but it's not impossible by any means
21:18:24 <Halcyon> That would involve yet another step and additional infrastructure.
21:19:01 <Halcyon> Even if you had two WAN connections with the same provider, most don't support SD-WAN
21:19:09 <Halcyon> Certainly not on residential/small business plans
21:19:43 <Halcyon> You *could* bodgy something up yourself, but it's all additional cost, complexity etc... etc...
21:20:16 <steve30> I should do some more testing on my new LTE modem
21:20:38 <Ampera> I thought the point of the conversation was its possibility, not practicality
21:20:51 <Ampera> It'd make sense if you needed to do a lot of bulk file transfers where sheer data, but not latency, matters
21:21:25 <Halcyon> When I say "impossible" I mean doing it properly. Not some hacked together thing.
21:21:43 <Ampera> ???
21:21:46 <Halcyon> Technically you can access the internet via CB radio... I don't know why you would, but you can.
21:21:51 <Ampera> what's hacked together about a solution that works
21:22:04 <Ampera> I never told you to do it
21:22:11 <Ampera> I said it's a way that you /could/ do it
21:22:19 <Ampera> *you -> one
21:22:32 <Halcyon> I am specifically talking about proper bonded WAN solutions, not a home-brew hack version.
21:22:57 <Ampera> why are you getting pissy about this
21:23:03 <Halcyon> I'm not?
21:23:16 <Ampera> you are, you're going after me just for /talking/ about a way to bond WAN connections
21:23:21 <Ampera> for no fucking reason
21:23:29 <Halcyon> O.... K.... ?
21:23:44 <Halcyon> Not sure where this is coming from, but sure. I'll leave it at that then.
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21:24:23 <rust_collector> Ampera, he has been like that all day... arguing about cupcakes and stuff
21:24:30 * steve30 offers buns
21:24:30 <Ampera> I was literally only talking about different ways to bond a WAN connection, and you're getting pissed telling me you don't want it, this hacked solution, you're only talking about
21:24:36 <Halcyon> I haven't been home all day :P
21:24:50 <Halcyon> I am far from pissed, I'm actually quite relaxed
21:25:11 <rust_collector> I never said you was home all day!!!
21:25:26 <Halcyon> I was just saying when you're talking about link aggregation in the traditional sense, across different ISPs (and in most cases even the same one) it's not do-able on its own. That's all.
21:25:51 <Halcyon> You said I have been like this "all day"
21:25:58 <rust_collector> yes.
21:26:01 <Halcyon> I only just reconnected after I updated my router firmware
21:26:06 <Halcyon> That was only a few hours ago
21:26:13 <rust_collector> yep
21:26:15 <Halcyon> Other than that I have been offline for 12 hours
21:26:41 <rust_collector> that is ok
21:26:49 <Halcyon> But I still maintain that a cupcake is a cake.
21:26:53 <Halcyon> You're just wrong :P
21:27:03 <rust_collector> you are just australian
21:27:24 <Halcyon> Well the French seem to agree as well
21:27:35 <rust_collector> who cares what the french think?
21:27:45 <Ampera> a cupcake is a cake
21:27:47 <Ampera> it's a cake in a cup
21:27:56 <Ampera> I will agree with that ON THE CONDITION
21:28:01 <rust_collector> nah, a cupcake is just a cupcake
21:28:13 <Ampera> that you agree a muffin is simply a cupcake not intended to be a desert
21:28:50 <rust_collector> I agree aout the first part of that
21:29:08 <Ampera> that a muffin is a cupcake?
21:29:14 <rust_collector> yes
21:30:06 <Ampera> close enough
21:30:16 <Ampera> by "not intended to be a desert" I was originally going to call a muffin simply a savory cupcake
21:30:24 <Ampera> but muffins can have things like blueberries and chocolate in them
21:30:30 <rust_collector> sure
21:30:33 <Ampera> there is a difference, but it's more that muffins aren't intended to be mini cakes
21:30:39 <Ampera> but they're effectively the same concept
21:30:45 <Ampera> like, you'd frost a cupcake, you wouldn't frost a muffin
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21:33:03 <steve30> well, i think its time for me to go to bed
21:34:50 <Halcyon> Sorry back, was doing something
21:34:55 <rust_collector> good bedtime
21:35:15 <Halcyon> Ampera: A muffin is also a cake
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21:35:34 <Halcyon> But, who am I to tell someone when you can/can't eat cake
21:35:42 <Halcyon> Have it for breakfast for all I care
21:35:42 <Ampera> indeed, a muffin is also a cake
21:35:48 <Ampera> no
21:35:52 <Ampera> that's not what desert means
21:35:59 <Ampera> desert is not a specific meal, it's a type of food
21:36:16 <Ampera> a cupcake can be eaten at any time, but it's still a desert food
21:36:28 <Ampera> whereas a muffin is more akin to a breakfast food, which can still be eaten at any time
21:36:41 <Ampera> just like cereal or fried eggs can be eaten at any time
21:36:47 <Halcyon> I thought desert was sandy
21:37:13 <Ampera> I hate that word
21:37:27 <Halcyon> "Desserts" are loosely defined.
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21:37:39 <Halcyon> They don't have to be sweet, or cakey or anything
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21:38:36 <Ampera> I defined dessert food as inherently sweet and cakey
21:38:42 <Ampera> as in a food one might eat for dessert
21:39:18 <Halcyon> What about those that aren't sweet?
21:40:11 <Ampera> such as
21:41:14 <Halcyon> Marscapone based things, coffee desserts, melon
21:41:15 <rust_collector> he is australian, they probably have rolled up and fried sheep tails or something
21:41:32 <Halcyon> Cheese cake is not always sweet
21:42:18 <Ampera> I've never seen a cheesecake that isn't sweet
21:42:22 <Ampera> coffee desserts are usually sweet
21:42:28 <Ampera> best I know so is Marscapone
21:42:31 <Ampera> melons are also sweet
21:47:21 <Ampera> I had checked the spelling of Dessert in google, just to confirm my insanity
21:47:25 <Ampera> and this was on it
21:47:26 <Ampera> https://www.jocooks.com/recipes/sex-in-a-pan/
21:49:26 <rust_collector> they must use the same search thing as youtube does for the suggested videos
21:53:46 <Halcyon> That looks amazing
21:56:21 <Ampera> Halcyon, sometimes I think you're actually a middle-aged married mother of 6 and have been trolling me all this time.
21:56:56 <damian> i'm pretty sure that's exactly what Halcyon is
21:57:15 <Halcyon> You have literally seen me on video Ampera
21:57:24 <rust_collector> 6 middle aged trolls
21:57:28 <Ampera> deep fakes are getting good these days
21:57:40 <Halcyon> On my phone... in the car?
21:57:43 <Halcyon> :P
21:57:56 <Ampera> I'm a stout believer in last thursdayism, you can't win this one >:D
21:58:04 <Halcyon> Fine
21:58:21 <damian> Thursdayism, i love it
21:58:21 <Halcyon> Either way, I'm still blonde and pretty :P
21:58:35 <Ampera> damian, have you never heard of the concept?
21:58:38 <damian> yeah
21:58:46 <damian> i thought i was the one that told you like two years ago haha
21:58:48 <damian> i spout it everywhere
21:59:05 <Ampera> It's possible it was the inverse, but I recall picking up the term off a VSauce video
21:59:10 <Halcyon> I literally just heard "Danger noodle" the other day
21:59:12 <Halcyon> I loved it
21:59:18 * Ampera squirts VSauce all over Halcyon's face, neck, and chest
21:59:25 <Halcyon> :)
21:59:37 <Ampera> no step on snek
22:00:06 <damian> i have been a believer in thursdayism for years and years! it's a fantastic concept
22:00:08 <Halcyon> In other news, the random pigeon outside let me pet it today
22:00:20 <damian> do you now have rabies?
22:00:40 <Halcyon> I doubt it
22:00:53 <Halcyon> Since rabies isn't spread by birds
22:01:09 <rust_collector> i would not be so sure about that
22:01:20 <Ampera> Halcyon, bad news, squirrels now have wings
22:01:23 <Ampera> so you're not safe anymore
22:01:23 <Halcyon> Is this a segway into COVID-19 ?
22:01:24 <Halcyon> :P
22:01:39 <Halcyon> Oh speaking of bats
22:01:42 <rust_collector> no, we already have that one
22:01:54 <Halcyon> I get my first shot for it next week
22:02:02 <damian> should i get drunk tonight
22:02:14 <damian> and order a new samsung galaxy s21 on company telstra bill
22:02:16 <damian> and hope no one sees
22:02:20 <damian> and if they do, claim i was drunk
22:04:54 <rust_collector> no no, they will make you install an alcolock on your ebay thing. so you would not be entertained by the postman dropping off random things
22:06:51 <Ampera> I don't think I'll buy a new Samsung phone
22:07:09 <Ampera> I don't regret buying my Note 20 Ultra, it was the best phone at the time, but I just do not like the software
22:08:02 <damian> i dont care about if it's on ebay, i dont use ebay that often
22:08:06 <damian> this is the work telstra bill!
22:08:08 <damian> bahaha
22:08:29 <damian> you don't like the ROM Ampera?
22:08:37 <Ampera> what ROM
22:08:44 <Ampera> I mean I suppose it /is/ read only considering I can't root it
22:08:50 <damian> as in you don't like the Samsung android version?
22:08:50 <Ampera> and can't unlock the bootloader
22:09:09 <Ampera> It's not that I don't like the whole One UI thing, though I don't really use much of it that /is/ One UI
22:09:22 <Ampera> I don't like the fact that I'm stuck with it for all time
22:09:27 <Ampera> and can't install what I wish to on my own device
22:09:34 <damian> why can't you?
22:09:45 <Ampera> because I can't root it or unlock the bootloader.
22:10:14 <damian> you can't root an N20?
22:10:16 <damian> seems strange
22:10:19 <Watcher> samsung was that company that you could easaly install rom to it
22:10:26 <Ampera> Not a US model
22:10:34 <Ampera> not even if you bought a fully unlocked one straight from Samsung
22:10:52 <Watcher> th eu models you can at least a year a go
22:10:53 <Ampera> I didn't buy it with the intent of rooting, otherwise I'd have just stuck with my 1+8 Pro, but it's annoying that I can't
22:11:00 <damian> *unlocked* ? you mean telco unlock? that has no barring on rooting it
22:11:02 <Ampera> and there's certain things I want to do on it that I simply can't because I can't use root
22:11:13 <damian> it's just about whether or not there's a ROM for your hardware, and whether there's compatibility
22:11:17 <Ampera> I mean telco unlocked, and there are phones where that does prevent unlocking the bootloader
22:11:20 <Ampera> no it's not
22:11:37 <Ampera> you need to flash custom software to it
22:11:42 <damian> yep..
22:11:45 <Ampera> and if you're restricted from flashing that software
22:11:47 <Ampera> you can't flash it
22:11:59 <Ampera> that's what the bootloader lock is, it prevents you from modifying system data outright
22:11:59 <damian> i haven't seen an android phone that has a restriction on flashing it
22:12:05 <Ampera> They exist
22:12:11 <damian> what model N20 is?
22:12:19 <Ampera> standby
22:12:22 <Watcher> damian hauwei dose it for all phones
22:12:40 <Ampera> SM-N986U
22:13:12 <damian> i've never owned a huawei, but xdad says they've done it
22:13:21 <damian> i haven't checked what models, if they are old or anything though?
22:13:42 <Ampera> I've looked throughout XDA forums, there is no way to unlock the bootloader
22:13:49 <damian> interesting
22:14:01 <Ampera> It's protected by certain crypto keys, which Samsung has sole access to
22:14:23 <Ampera> Word on the street is certain Samsung employees if you can get ahold of them will do it if you pay them
22:14:27 <Watcher> you could do that to aleast a year or 2 but hauwei hase stoppped it even the models before that.
22:14:41 <damian> things must have changed since i last rooted a phone, it's been maybe five years
22:14:57 <Watcher> something with that you need a account that you can't create no longer
22:15:06 <damian> yeah
22:16:51 <Halcyon> We flash custom bootloaders all the time
22:17:04 <Halcyon> Albeit via expensive proprietary software
22:17:17 <Halcyon> Most of the the time it doesn't even pop the knox lock
22:18:12 <damian> 'we'
22:18:13 <damian> ASIO
22:18:22 <Halcyon> We
22:18:32 <damian> bloody spies
22:18:42 <Halcyon> We also don't talk about the organisation
22:18:52 <Ampera> checking XDA forums it's still the case
22:18:56 <Ampera> apparently it's only the US variant too
22:19:10 <Ampera> all other world variants of the N20U can be rooted easily
22:19:19 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm going to go catch up on sleep
22:19:22 <Ampera> wait
22:19:24 <damian> samsung probably just scared that if you can root a phone the chinese will hack it and trump would ban Samsung
22:19:27 <Halcyon> OK
22:19:28 <rust_collector> I am pretty ok with my phone as it comes, as I only use it as a phone these days, but I think it is annoying that it is so tricky to find some android thing or any os that works on shitty chinese tablets
22:19:29 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/812278884263133204/20210219_060550.jpg
22:19:31 <Ampera> check this out Halcyon
22:19:33 <damian> night Halcyon
22:19:43 <Halcyon> Oh neat :)
22:19:45 <Ampera> that's an HDMI capture card, can do lossless capture, near zero latency
22:19:50 <Ampera> it's so tiny
22:19:51 <Halcyon> It's tiny
22:20:04 <damian> ooo are we doing hdmi capture
22:20:09 <Halcyon> You also have nice hands
22:20:13 <Ampera> ok
22:20:26 <Ampera> damian, yeah I bought a new webcam that only outputs in HDMI
22:20:33 <Halcyon> "Webcam"
22:20:40 <Ampera> :D
22:20:44 <Halcyon> Night cunts
22:20:46 <Halcyon> :P
22:20:49 <Halcyon> Love you all
22:20:51 <Ampera> fite me irl, noob
22:21:01 <rust_collector> heh, that looks like a not very broken hand
22:21:12 <damian> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/703617972194902106/812282596230037534/20210219_222022.jpg
22:21:15 <damian> look at mine look at mine
22:21:15 <Ampera> It's the hands of someone who has never (successfully) masturbated
22:21:29 <damian> my hands aren't as nice
22:21:31 <damian> i'm sorry for that
22:21:38 <damian> man, that device is like 8 years old now
22:21:49 <Ampera> damian, I have one of the best capture cards you can buy
22:21:51 <Ampera> let me grab a picture of it
22:22:06 <Halcyon> damian, I love it that you are still using mIRC
22:22:09 <Halcyon> Respect
22:22:15 <damian> haha
22:22:19 <Halcyon> And Windows 7
22:22:23 <damian> rofl what
22:22:26 <damian> it's windows 10 you munt
22:22:38 <damian> but yeah, i've been using mirc since 1999, it's set up how i like it
22:22:42 <damian> no reason to change!
22:22:43 <Halcyon> Oh, you lost my respect
22:22:45 <Halcyon> Noob
22:23:07 <damian> mah bad
22:23:39 <Halcyon> Night all
22:23:45 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/812283221991358464/20210219_062325.jpg
22:24:01 <Ampera> really expensive DVI/HDMI capture card, but one of the best cards on the market
22:24:19 <Ampera> damian
22:24:34 <Ampera> It's also a VGA capture card, but get this, it can do arbitrary resolutions and scan rates, including interlaced
22:24:38 <Ampera> in realtime
22:24:41 <Ampera> lossless
22:24:53 <Ampera> with a USB UVC driver, meaning it's generic across all platforms
22:25:22 <damian> not bad
22:25:36 <Ampera> I use it every day
22:25:45 <rust_collector> I do not have such devices, so I figured I would show you my stereo system: https://ibb.co/GQHvFvG
22:25:49 <Ampera> the reason I bought it was because I was sick of the high latency RDP had
22:25:52 <damian> did you see the recent (?) LTT video they made on video capture into capture into capture into capture cards?
22:25:59 <Ampera> wha
22:26:05 <Ampera> I guess not
22:26:19 <damian> lemme see if i can find it, it might be old.. i only watched it a few weeks ago though
22:26:53 <Ampera> damian, also this is the new webcam I bought https://www.sony.com/electronics/handycam-camcorders/fdr-ax53
22:27:26 <damian> hrmph nope, too hard. they basically went throgh all of the capture cards around and tested them for latency and quality, then started plugging them all into each other to see if they'd get different results or amplify the lag
22:27:41 <damian> not bad at all. advanced webcam!
22:27:48 <damian> good for all that home porn ;) ;)
22:35:43 <Ampera> holy shit I hate libreoffice
22:35:55 <Ampera> I don't get how it's so popular, it's a slow, buggy mess
22:36:18 <rust_collector> have you tried softmaker office?
22:36:22 <Ampera> I just want to use it to edit a spreadsheet and entering text into a cell ends up adding the characters once every few seconds
22:36:25 <Ampera> rust_collector, let me try it now
22:36:43 <rust_collector> I am not sure if you can still get a free version of it or not
22:37:11 <Ampera> you can't
22:37:12 <Ampera> nevermind then
22:37:20 <rust_collector> oh well
22:38:57 <rust_collector> hmm, yes, I found the email from them, and the download link is dead
22:39:28 <Ampera> I don't want to use any software I can't get easily package managed
22:41:54 <Ampera> WPS seems good
22:45:14 <rust_collector> the manjaro people has it in the repo, as freeoffice. I don't know what kind of packaging things they use
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22:45:38 <rust_collector> TA DAA!
22:46:52 <Ysjoelfir> mornings
22:47:00 <rust_collector> yes, it is
22:49:19 <rust_collector> oh, it is in arch too
22:50:52 <rust_collector> what fun is happening in the place close to belgium?
22:52:38 <Ampera> rust_collector, you'll have to ask someone who lives in Luxembourg
22:53:16 <rust_collector> nah, it was a trick question, belgium does not exist
22:53:47 <rust_collector> and, unless it has changed a lot, nothing fun happens in luxembourgh
22:53:55 <rust_collector> -h
22:54:19 <Ysjoelfir> Sleeping. Need more of that.
22:54:26 <Ampera> yeah shit went downhill when they stopped attending the ESC because they kept winning too much and having to host it
22:55:00 <rust_collector> i bet their main issue with that, is that tere is only room for 200 people there
22:55:10 <rust_collector> sleeping? nah
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22:55:54 <Ampera> They need to be more like Germany, get curb stomped year after year in the votes, but be one of the biggest sponsors and fans of the event
22:56:06 <rust_collector> i woke up around 7.45, because I had 2 dogs bouncing on my back.
22:56:24 <rust_collector> eeeeeeeh. well...
22:56:24 * Ampera suggest rust_collector turn them into hot dogs
22:56:47 <rust_collector> they are pretty warm
22:57:10 <Ysjoelfir> I woke up around 7:45 because the stupid shitty dog from across the street was making noises for hours in a volume that felt like he was right in my head.
22:57:29 <rust_collector> woohoo!
22:57:49 <rust_collector> I wonder why I thought it was a good idea to sleep on the couch today
22:58:15 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno, but I did that as well. well, after getting up.
22:58:26 <Ysjoelfir> and fallign asleep again while cuddling with the catter
23:02:51 <rust_collector> catrrrrrrrrrr
23:05:23 Quit: Watcher ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
23:06:04 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
23:06:19 <Ysjoelfir> he's a male cat, so i think thats legit :P
23:09:46 <rust_collector> https://ibb.co/PNjH3xC
23:10:08 <Ysjoelfir> Thats fluffy
23:10:35 <rust_collector> no, hufsa
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23:11:03 <Ysjoelfir> Thats also fine :D
23:13:01 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D-RYNPETws
23:15:14 <Ysjoelfir> :O the mumins!
23:17:46 <Ysjoelfir> aaah, I see^^
23:18:39 <Ysjoelfir> also, mr. sir here decided that, when I get up from the sofa and leave him alone, he just joins and conquers a new place to sleep beside my big butt. great. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oiGKsvkLiu5Jnn5uYZPdCLBwUQlthHa3/view?usp=sharing
23:30:12 <rust_collector> maybe your butt has a nice cooling effect
23:31:04 <Ysjoelfir> maybe.
23:31:58 <rust_collector> or maybe unknown person rubs cat food on it while you sleep
23:33:55 <Ysjoelfir> Hmmmm...... THAT is the more probable version I guess
23:44:54 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKG_lMFxqQE
23:45:40 <rust_collector> one guy in my class at school had all of his cassettes
23:46:23 <Ysjoelfir> hahaha :D Nice^^
23:46:57 <rust_collector> he has a rocket trailer
23:48:20 <Ysjoelfir> Thats even nicer
23:48:44 <Watcher> what caint of rocket?
23:48:48 <rust_collector> https://gfx.nrk.no/ruQpBJrdxsxD6G5mxcEF9Q585FBPafC5vXCfUoDtduVQ.jpg
23:49:12 <Ysjoelfir> that is so cool XD
23:49:16 <Watcher> nice
23:49:33 <Watcher> even the shed
23:50:12 <rust_collector> it is a museum, sort of
23:50:55 <Watcher> what displays it
23:51:39 <rust_collector> that guy, and an old railway bridge is their only attractions in that place
23:52:06 <rust_collector> Watcher, It is a museum about that guy, and... I dunno? I have never been there
23:52:40 <rust_collector> you have to feel old, when there is a museum about you, lol
23:54:06 <rust_collector> anyway, he had a lot of big hits around 1990. and he did not even want to sing, but his wife said he had to
23:54:45 <Watcher> is that guy from norway?
23:57:40 <rust_collector> yes, a small town
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