// #eevblog — 2021-02-13
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01:22:54 <electrohead> o/
01:54:00 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. head
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03:18:45 <rust_collector> good horrible morning people
03:23:20 <Ysjoelfir> good aftermorningpreevening mr. rust
03:30:56 <rust_collector> hmm, it looks like getting a new wifemobile did help, I have not seen her at all today, lol
03:32:22 <K> she has places to be and things to do!
03:33:12 <rust_collector> I am not so sure about that, but she does try to make it look like it
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04:10:45 <hsn> Man this guy is smaaart as hell https://youtube.com/c/3blue1brown
04:13:17 <K> he explains well
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04:34:54 <T3sl4> aye
04:34:59 <T3sl4> mathologer also good
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05:17:14 * electrohead offers sushi
05:20:20 * Ampera offers a fish that can live in your intestines named Jeremy, who will give you constant, unending bowel pains, untreatable by medicine or surgery, but will also let you see through anybody's clothes
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06:01:30 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://youtu.be/MS91knuzoOA?t=16
06:19:37 <arch> o damn, how could i have fucked up the comp so bad. this is what happens when i put a 1A transient load on a buck reg lol: https://i.imgur.com/e2gP5Ea.png
06:20:29 * T3sl4 gives arch 40 lashes with a wet inductor
06:24:51 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/UJYj2dD.png
06:25:01 <Ysjoelfir> XD
06:28:02 <arch> back to the drawing board...
06:28:52 <arch> never thought i'd see the day where my own pcb outputs the textbook-example unstable loop waveform lol
06:29:17 <Kuschelpony> oh, i thought thats the second thing you see when you design a board
06:29:25 <Kuschelpony> 8the first thing is to see nothing at all)
06:29:51 <arch> that's what happens when you go from COT regs to ones where you actually have to do loop comp =( the noob days...can't count on COT designs for ever =D
06:30:40 <arch> that too. but to be honest, less than 10% of my builds, even failed ones, i've never seen no output
06:31:10 <arch> let me see what the loop looks like with a 1uF cap directly across the comp pin
06:34:22 <arch> dammit, i need a few extra arms to press all these buttons
06:34:33 * arch books a trip to chernobyl
06:40:30 <Kuschelpony> :)
06:41:53 <arch> definitely some funky shit going on with my buck reg. random 300mV or so dips
06:43:03 <arch> i'll remake it on double sided copperclad this time
06:43:21 <arch> feedback trace is noisy af too
06:45:17 <arch> o hey, much nicer waveform with 1uF cap directly across the comp, and no random dips. sooo im guessing the comp is the primary factor contributing to that awful unstable waveform
06:45:47 <Kuschelpony> most likely
06:50:09 <arch> def doing something... https://imgur.com/a/ENqcOWn
06:50:38 <arch> thats no load waveforms at output cap
06:55:25 <arch> well, making decent progress, considering i took this board up on a whim. slow workday, so just been looking at waveforms and shit of my old projects
06:55:31 <arch> and trying to improve/learn from them :D
06:56:01 <T3sl4> if there's no load why is it doing anything at all
06:57:31 <arch> what ya mean? i expect it to pulse skip
06:58:57 <T3sl4> don't look like skipping to me
07:01:08 <arch> hmm yea, looks like it isn't skiping. just checked the gate waveform
07:01:20 <arch> fking weird as fuck chip. or maybe my pcb design is bad
07:03:25 <arch> https://i.imgur.com/hiuMmFD.png that should run fine imo. im telling ya, it's some funky shit going on with the feedback comp
07:04:39 <Kuschelpony> sorry if i slowly drtop out, its al�ready night here
07:04:39 <arch> funkier than the mc34063 pulse skipping shizzle
07:05:15 <arch> np, you should sleep if tired. i do this stuff for fun, learning, and passing time
07:05:52 * T3sl4 gives Kuschelpony a blanket
07:06:09 <Kuschelpony> :)
07:06:17 <T3sl4> arch, what chip again?
07:06:41 <Kuschelpony> yeah, i am much too often staing up late night to get into social contact with other people
07:07:15 <T3sl4> i solve that problem by staying up late every night, eventually it becomes morning
07:07:36 <arch> T3sl4, AOZ1073 https://i.imgur.com/K6Se7yl.png ; https://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/Alpha%20&%20Omega/AOZ1073.pdf
07:07:38 <Kuschelpony> im morning bird, so i am awake again at 4
07:09:24 <T3sl4> oh, synchronous
07:09:31 <T3sl4> doesn't have pulse skipping by the look of it?
07:10:04 <T3sl4> hahhahaaha they don't show efficiency below 0.3A
07:10:44 <T3sl4> so, it's good for higher loads, or lower output ripple over the range at the cost of efficiency at the low end
07:10:48 <arch> yeah, but that doesn't matter to me. im baffled by the funky transient load. then again, i didn't use their recommended 4.7uH inductor value--i used 10uH
07:11:39 <arch> yea, that tradeoff is the price paid for fixed freq convs
07:12:14 <T3sl4> i guess it's always in CCM, so it shouldn't compensate different with load
07:12:22 <arch> i'm gonna make this exact same board, but this time using the TPS562201 DCAP (COT-variant) synch conv
07:12:38 <arch> cuz i made it on single sided PCB and the waveforms are AWESOME
07:13:31 <T3sl4> there's no fucking current range on the error amp, thanks a lot
07:13:41 <T3sl4> voltage gain, transconductance, but not range
07:14:00 <arch> i have no idea what that means, but if you're angry, i'm angre >:|
07:14:21 <arch> https://moltensolderlabs.com/assets/projects/single_layer_copperclad_smps_collection/buck/converter/synch/tps562201/tps562201_13vin_5vout_2a_output_ripple.png
07:14:24 <coppice_> I wonder what Buck Converters in the 25th Century will be like?
07:14:28 <arch> https://moltensolderlabs.com/assets/projects/single_layer_copperclad_smps_collection/buck/converter/synch/tps562201/tps562201_single_layer_copperclad_buck.jpg
07:14:47 <T3sl4> coppice_: built on Rogers laminate, i would expect
07:15:29 <T3sl4> arch: the consequence is, what impedance can be used for the COMP components
07:16:03 <T3sl4> shouldn't matter as much for a gm type amp, but still important to know
07:16:47 <T3sl4> i noticed with this one, https://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/CS5171-D.PDF the err amp is really badly made, so when it oscillates it tends to go chaotic
07:16:57 <T3sl4> which makes step testing kind of useless
07:17:48 <arch> ah, for example, the UC3843 has a 0.5mA source at the EA output. is that what you mean?
07:17:57 <T3sl4> right
07:18:26 <T3sl4> and the CS one says 50uA source, 625uA sink, wtf
07:19:07 <T3sl4> for your case, starting with too-large Ccomp is probably a good idea, use an R and C box to find stable values, first increasing R from zero to get it working at large C, then step down C and keep sweeping R and follow the sweet spot down until C is as small as it can get
07:19:09 <coppice_> T3sl4: nice one
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07:23:53 <arch> i need to get a decade resistor/capacitor box. need to clean out some random gizmos first to make space
07:25:19 <arch> so is it safe to assume that too *low* of a EA output source/sink current is bad?
07:25:24 <arch> for performance
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07:45:23 <Ysjoelfir> mornings rusty
07:45:58 <rc>
07:46:06 <rc>
07:46:19 <rc> !
07:46:58 <rc> yep. everything sucks
07:47:32 <rc> oh, hi Ysjoelfir
07:52:41 <rc> heh they are talking about finding your way, and why some get lost easily. and some even manage to get lost at home. that has to be difficult
07:53:56 <rc> "hello? yes, i see a toilet, and some towels. I have no idea where i am"
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08:11:06 <rc> interesting, now there are 3 guys trying to get into the same spot.
08:11:32 <rc> always a good idea
08:16:53 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds very..... not working :D
08:24:02 <rc> hours and hours of work...
08:35:14 <rc> as it will be late when i get home, i wonder if i should mess a bit with capacitive dropper thingies.
08:37:51 <hsn> Rc toilet? U called me?
08:38:12 <hsn> https://hsn93.com/www/12opinion.jpeg
08:38:17 <hsn> Good night
08:38:27 <rc> night?
08:38:39 <hsn> 12:38am
08:38:44 <hsn> Aka sleep time
08:38:56 <rc> you need help
08:39:34 <rc> well, have a good sleepytime
08:43:29 <rc> you too Ysjoelfir, and say hi to mistress booberella, feel free to use a different name, of that will help you
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10:48:52 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: A fascinating insight into the psychology of creativity https://t.co/NLwVZmIJIf
10:58:45 <Halcyon> Mew
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11:02:54 <MrMobodies> Hello
11:03:00 <MrMobodies> I brought a couple of these
11:03:01 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5675-3-06GHz-SLBYL-6-Hex-Core-12-Thread-LGA1366-CPU-Processor-12MB/224332827213?
11:03:18 <MrMobodies> At the moment the G6 has gone 1x 4 core 2.4ghz
11:03:39 <MrMobodies> and I got the heatsink last for about £10
11:04:09 <MrMobodies> and some ram is arriving for the 3 additional lots
11:04:26 <MrMobodies> looking forward to see the difference
11:08:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Found this old WB2000 camera. Would probably make a nice webcam with its HDMI output. https://t.co/c5OG46Skuk
11:11:39 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Damn, just realised it uses a weird arse USB connector
11:17:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Double d'oh The HDMI connector is the micro one, and the big one that looks like HDMI mini is actually the USB power connector.
11:37:04 * T3sl4 hot currys Halcyon
11:44:49 * electrohead waves and stuff
11:44:56 <MrMobodies> I found a way of getting more water in the machine during washing clothes.
11:45:07 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/98vV7xm.jpg
11:45:20 <MrMobodies> I put it on rinse, let it go under half way
11:45:23 <MrMobodies> turn it off
11:45:49 <MrMobodies> then it turn it to whatever setting. It doesn't fill it just goes.
11:46:10 <MrMobodies> oops I mean during rinse it fills the drum with water half way.
11:46:29 <rust_collector> awesome, damn you energy savings!
11:46:39 <MrMobodies> My shirts seem alright but trousers aren't being washed well enough so I'd see what happens soon.
11:46:49 * T3sl4 burps some bourbon at electrohead
11:47:32 <MrMobodies> when it comes to washing my clothes I don't care about energy savings. In fact I waste energy trying and I waste my own efforts.
11:48:23 <MrMobodies> If I can find a workable way of achieving energy savings and getting them clean then that would be good but I need to find cleanness first.
11:48:49 <T3sl4> hey MrMobodies how are you
11:48:54 <rust_collector> i think a lot of energy is wasted by energy saving things, it is like the "small flush" toilets, where you end up flushing 3 times, in stead of one big
11:49:12 <MrMobodies> T3s14 okay at the moment
11:49:35 <MrMobodies> Oh yes I have that toilet problem that was never a problem in my own house
11:49:44 <T3sl4> think my toilet needs a snaking, it doesn't flush very well even with a full flush
11:50:14 <T3sl4> which, interestingly, i think it's the old fashioned full volume flush, it just happens that the flap thing closes about half way through, so it doesn't dump the whole tank at a time
11:50:18 <rust_collector> changing flushability is not a good sign
11:50:18 <MrMobodies> I don't mind variable flusing as long as I can control it (like the washing machine) to whatever level I deem necessary.
11:50:20 <T3sl4> fine with me, when it works
11:50:52 <MrMobodies> I remember in 1990's I was oly about 6 and there was a philips washine brown in colour
11:50:58 * T3sl4 flushes rust_collector out with a bouquet of ferrets
11:51:01 <MrMobodies> and that use to fill drum about 3/4
11:51:10 <MrMobodies> no issue with the clothes in that
11:51:12 <rust_collector> some of the "half flsh" toilets just stop you from pressing the button more than half way down
11:51:43 <MrMobodies> ah so the toilet don't rise
11:52:13 <MrMobodies> I just hope when do that the bathrooms I can find and put "the proper toilets" back in
11:52:32 <MrMobodies> the one where, if the cistern taps fails to stop, I can put stop it with something
11:52:40 <MrMobodies> and I replace it easily
11:52:46 <MrMobodies> no silly button on a short cord
11:52:55 <MrMobodies> and the handles are easier to clean
11:53:16 <MrMobodies> the button that pushes in, how I am suppose to clean that?
11:53:24 <rust_collector> well, you people probbably have the weirdest toilets outside of bahrain
11:53:43 <MrMobodies> I like the previous ones with the flush handle
11:53:47 <T3sl4> i actually thought my toilet was always like that, turns out the lever on the handle thing, must've been fractured -- it broke off completely last month, fortunately superglue seems to have fixed it, and better than it was before, so now when i press the lever, it opens fully and often does a full cycle, heh
11:53:54 <rust_collector> you can just pop the button off, and clean it in the dishwasher, if you want
11:54:14 <T3sl4> (the fracture make the lever springy enough that i must not've been pulling it all the way up before)
11:54:21 <electrohead> hey T3sl4
11:54:27 * T3sl4 hugs electrohead
11:54:40 <MrMobodies> I remembered I once had a plastic handle thar snapped and I couldn't find any decent handled for years
11:54:49 <MrMobodies> in my old house in the attic
11:55:01 <MrMobodies> so I use to manually flush the cister and left the cover off the toilet
11:55:11 <MrMobodies> one day a plumber came and I said I want a PROPER metal handle
11:55:24 <MrMobodies> so he come back the same old rubbish
11:55:38 <MrMobodies> my dad said to me "you are going to suffer" I said I already did
11:55:47 <MrMobodies> I asked, do you have anything other handle
11:56:00 <rust_collector> import a nice new old stock soviet toilet.
11:56:01 <MrMobodies> they looked in their van and brought me this lovelly metal ceramic thing
11:56:15 <MrMobodies> I asked, how much is it, nothing they pulled it out of a job
11:56:42 <MrMobodies> they want £20 for the plastic one that looked the same as the other one that snapped
11:57:24 <MrMobodies> whereas the good quality one they pulled out of a job they did costs me nothing
11:57:41 <T3sl4> reuse is underrated
11:57:44 <MrMobodies> I still got that somewhere for the next tilet.
11:58:23 <rust_collector> and I thought I had a lot of crap stashed away...
11:58:26 <MrMobodies> I renovated the attic in 2012, and I got a similar one that came with the toilet but I thought I keep it, it looks excellent condition
11:58:56 <MrMobodies> there maybe better quality things in that stashed away stuff than what they are selling
11:59:50 <rust_collector> I know.. but I still have a somewhat limited amount of room for stuff. Not to mention that I can never find it when I do need it
12:01:09 <MrMobodies> what I'd I'll round the poor quality things up, smash them to bits to see what's in them an bin them
12:01:35 <MrMobodies> if it is good quality things I've always got room for them, they're always welcome.
12:01:54 <MrMobodies> I know they won't give me grief if I ever need them
12:03:26 <MrMobodies> excellent, the washing machine reduces the time by weight now it's not doing it with the weight of the water.
12:06:49 <rust_collector> i remember when I was little, my uncle had made pizza, then he put it in the basement, to cool off a bit, before serving it to us kids. So then me and my cousin went downstairs, and we both stepped in the pizza. That was not ideal
12:07:59 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Dr. Buzz Aldrin: We are officially one week away from @NASAPersevere's historic touchdown on the Martian surface! #CountdownToMars https://t.co/1RojyDUlOl
12:09:16 <T3sl4> feet are not mouths
12:09:18 <MrMobodies> oh he put it on the basement floor
12:09:42 <MrMobodies> no tables in the basement to put it on?
12:10:21 <rust_collector> well, i guess he did not think we would be going down there, so why bother looking for stuff to put it on?
12:11:08 <T3sl4> why that over, say, a high place out of reach? cooler down there?
12:11:17 <rust_collector> otoh, I guess he did learn, because I do not think they ever had pizza again
12:12:05 <T3sl4> that seems a bit drastic
12:12:07 <MrMobodies> you mean he ate the pizza you stepped on
12:12:26 <rust_collector> we did
12:13:43 <MrMobodies> so you ate pizza you trod on
12:13:53 <rust_collector> yeees
12:14:11 <MrMobodies> I see maybe I am not thinking that food was precious back then
12:14:44 <rust_collector> it is ok, we did not step on it for more than 5 seconds each
12:16:20 <rust_collector> you know, it was right after the war, so we had to eat what we had
12:16:37 <MrMobodies> the war
12:16:50 <rust_collector> well, it was during the war, not after it
12:16:57 <MrMobodies> oh
12:17:07 <MrMobodies> I was once at a place in Kent run a doctor who was near her 80's at the time
12:17:18 <MrMobodies> there was a girl who didn't eat much
12:17:24 <MrMobodies> she didn't want anything
12:17:32 <MrMobodies> so during a meeting asked the girl
12:17:39 <MrMobodies> in her posh voice
12:18:17 <MrMobodies> "What's the matter my dear? you only have to walk a few yards for your food, in the way years I had to walk miles for mine."
12:18:28 <MrMobodies> oops
12:18:33 <MrMobodies> "What's wrong my dear? you only have to walk a few yards for your food, in the way years I had to walk miles for mine."
12:18:47 <MrMobodies> that was in 2003
12:19:28 <MrMobodies> this doctor wore two dresses a week of the same type, one pink and one purple of the same pattern, then she would accuse of the same thing.
12:19:37 <MrMobodies> of wearing the same type of clothes all the time
12:21:23 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: There is a big screen TV in there, and useful storage tubs https://t.co/GfZTyL4pnm
12:23:14 <MrMobodies> she was to speak to use 2 hours every day about life
12:23:27 <MrMobodies> and she would loose her temper and go mad
12:23:37 <rust_collector> i wonder what would happen if saddam did win the war. Some things would be different.
12:24:01 <MrMobodies> she wrote a book once, learn to sing to learn to read and another one, take your life on the road and MOT it.
12:24:18 <MrMobodies> Saddam Huissane
12:24:36 <rust_collector> without the e, yes
12:24:54 <MrMobodies> Am I wrong to think that I didn't even think that was war?
12:25:05 <MrMobodies> oops
12:25:18 <rust_collector> the iran iraq war was a war, I am pretty sure about that
12:25:22 <MrMobodies> they didn't find any weapons
12:25:39 <MrMobodies> of mass destruction
12:26:07 <rust_collector> so, in germany, that book would be called take your life and TüV it, which would make it a fail, try again
12:26:08 <MrMobodies> but then the time they announced it would have been hidden anywhere if there were by the time they got there
12:26:18 <rust_collector> you are thinking of a differen war.
12:26:24 <MrMobodies> oh
12:26:37 <rust_collector> the iran-iraq was was between 1980 and 88 or so
12:27:14 <MrMobodies> so many wars I am forgetting
12:27:46 <rust_collector> it does not matter what time you are thinking about, there was probably a war somewhere
12:28:47 <rust_collector> but yes, that one you were thinking about. I agree, it was probably not what it should have been
12:30:46 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I released the echo video: Didn't bother to try and fix it. https://t.co/qESKaElP4a
12:33:53 <MrMobodies> Just noticed in Dave's latest video
12:33:56 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/pfr46rw.jpg
12:34:27 <MrMobodies> no matter where he is or what size they'd be so many things on the floor
12:34:54 <MrMobodies> and when did move to a larger place and cleaned it it flooded
12:35:53 <MrMobodies> but the table and rack on the left looks nicely setup
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12:47:24 <MrMobodies> You know Oracle Linux Enterprise 6.1 that I found
12:47:45 <MrMobodies> it looks they like they still maintaining it
12:48:02 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/2IUQTQH.jpghttps://i.imgur.com/2IUQTQH.jpg
12:48:09 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/2IUQTQH.jpg
12:48:25 <T3sl4> ew
12:48:33 <MrMobodies> Ampera thought it was strange to continue with it when they could chosen Mate.
12:48:46 <MrMobodies> all the repositories are still there
12:49:14 <Halcyon> Beep boop
12:49:17 <rust_collector> wth? kde4, and gnome2
12:49:17 <MrMobodies> and I tried their latest one witht he Gnome 3 and Activities thingy and the latest Firefox on their in the repository is 78
12:49:28 <MrMobodies> same as what I can get on this Gnome 2
12:49:38 <MrMobodies> there are differences
12:49:51 <MrMobodies> if I try to install firefox doesn't work
12:50:00 <MrMobodies> from the main website
12:50:09 <MrMobodies> use the one from Oracle and it works
12:50:11 <MrMobodies> and it is newer
12:50:32 <MrMobodies> Beep boop?
12:50:51 <rust_collector> why does it say kde AND gnome?
12:51:06 * T3sl4 boops Halcyon on the snoot
12:51:17 <MrMobodies> I am jusI have no idea
12:51:23 <MrMobodies> that'sa why I included it
12:51:29 <MrMobodies> in the picture
12:51:53 <MrMobodies> it came from here
12:51:54 <Halcyon> :P
12:51:55 <MrMobodies> http://yum.oracle.com/oracle-linux-isos.html
12:51:56 <rust_collector> not that anything would stop you from having both installed, but
12:52:02 <MrMobodies> and I think that one if the 6.10 release
12:52:31 <MrMobodies> I think they made some alterations to it
12:52:44 <rust_collector> atered from what?
12:52:54 <MrMobodies> where they included the KDE stuff
12:53:14 <MrMobodies> I thought it was for KDE and that is Gnome
12:53:24 <rust_collector> you can have both
12:54:47 <rust_collector> it just looks a bit weird. and I would not use kde 4.xx
12:55:26 <MrMobodies> this one I had hardly any work to do
12:55:31 <MrMobodies> no animations to turn off
12:55:39 <MrMobodies> it was like I found it ten years ago
12:55:50 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/yV09kKv.jpg
12:56:00 <MrMobodies> plays back videos very well through the virtual machine
12:57:56 <MrMobodies> aah it does take quite a bit of resources
12:58:05 <MrMobodies> to do that
12:58:07 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/vVOFwz9.jpg
12:58:24 <MrMobodies> but when I get the 2x hex cores at 3ghz that's going to be nothing
12:58:47 <MrMobodies> at the momement there is only 1x 4 core cpu at 2.4ghz
13:00:24 <MrMobodies> I have also plugged in an sata controller with IDE switch
13:00:48 <MrMobodies> and can mount it to the virtual machines which is going to be handy
13:01:16 <MrMobodies> but unfortunayely it doesn't work with everything
13:01:42 <MrMobodies> I mean the graphics cards I tried alreayd and some network cards
13:01:48 <rust_collector> hmm, what virtual machine thingie do you use?
13:01:52 <MrMobodies> for the pci passthrough
13:01:59 <MrMobodies> it's an old free copy of VMWARE 5.5
13:02:05 <rust_collector> oh
13:02:11 <MrMobodies> I tried Proxmox but it needs something newer
13:02:42 <MrMobodies> it seems they have changed the way the PCI passthrough works and people have recompiled Proxmox but that is too much for work for me
13:02:58 <MrMobodies> and it seems much more slower than this Vmware 5.5
13:03:44 <MrMobodies> but it has some fancy features, I can mount usd flash drives it can be bootable and keyboards but not on Vmware 5.5
13:04:00 <MrMobodies> and I can select processor types in Proxmox
13:11:09 <rust_collector> I have some issues with virtual machine things. I think they just do not like me. but this install came with virtualbox, so I just use that
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13:33:27 <rust_collector> hmm, and it is getting colder, I think.
13:40:25 <MrMobodies> the heatsinks in these things seem very light
13:40:37 <MrMobodies> oh window stuck
13:41:11 <MrMobodies> I have used Virtualbox and they seem slow, but it has become a lot more stable than what it was many years ago
13:41:49 <MrMobodies> I remembered the 3.4 edition in 2010 before Oracle took over which is was very quick but not stable
13:42:17 <MrMobodies> and able to run Unrealtournament 99 with Opengl smoothly
13:42:20 <rust_collector> I do not think it is very great at anything, but as it works now, I am not going to touch it
13:42:30 <MrMobodies> but couldn't do that with the high resolution packd i found years later
13:43:32 <MrMobodies> it supports a number of things but when there a problems... well over the years I got to know the issues and how to deal with them and the configs
13:43:48 <MrMobodies> what I don't like, I can't have two of the same hard drives in different machines
13:44:00 <MrMobodies> unless it is cloned by virtualbox
13:44:33 <MrMobodies> if I clone a drive manually and attachment to another virtual machine Virtualbox will bring up an error message
13:44:54 <MrMobodies> which that the drive is already in the media thing
13:45:01 <MrMobodies> so it puts some information in there
13:46:01 <MrMobodies> but i wouldn't use it for anything performance... just for testing stuff.
13:46:39 <MrMobodies> I took out the heatsink I brought and it seems incredibly light
13:47:04 <rust_collector> well, I guess it is almost all aluminium
13:47:24 <MrMobodies> 270g
13:47:33 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-PROLIANT-ML350-G6-HEATSINK-SPS-508876-001-P-N-499258-001/312152207578
13:48:15 <MrMobodies> I thought... dear, did I order the right one, do they make them more denser for faster high power cpu's
13:48:25 <MrMobodies> but apparently not
13:49:35 <rust_collector> 270g is a good chunk.
13:49:56 <MrMobodies> the cpu I ordered is 95w
13:50:44 <rust_collector> oh, like an old p4
13:56:29 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Intel-Xeon-X5675-3-06GHz-SLBYL-6-Hex-Core-12-Thread-LGA1366-CPU-Processor-12MB/224332827213
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13:57:09 <rust_collector> well, yes, you said that
13:57:23 <MrMobodies> oh
13:57:25 <MrMobodies> sorry
13:57:50 <MrMobodies> I remembered I had some CPU's I pulled out of an Supermicro X5DL8 which were Xeon, SL7AE and they were 92w
13:58:00 <MrMobodies> let see if I still got the heatsinks for them
13:58:10 <rust_collector> if I remember right, my last p4 was around 100w
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14:02:54 <rust_collector> hmm, I wonder if I should buy a new battery for my little hp laptop. I really like that one, for doing stuff outside. it is small, and tough, and it has the pointing thingie, so I don't need a mouse or anything. But I am not sure about where to get batteries. they seem to be so random quality
14:06:12 <MrMobodies> I'd go on Amazon and open a lot of tabs of compatible batteries (with some branding) and read the one star ratings to see what can go wrong with the.
14:15:26 <MrMobodies> actually I didn't use the stock one, I do have an old dual xeon somewhere in a case with a copper heatsink but I didn't use the stock one with the Xeon SL7AE
14:15:46 <MrMobodies> I do have an aluminium which is going to be lighter than the other one
14:15:58 <MrMobodies> I think it was a Zalman
14:15:59 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/QR8O7ll
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14:17:18 <MrMobodies> is it is a problem I could always biodge a few fans of them.
14:18:02 <MrMobodies> also I just took clothes out and the trousers turned out much better, the white interior cotton is not brown anymore but just a bit grey
14:31:30 <MrMobodies> unfortunately for that Oracle distro no OpenOffice or Wine and none in the package manager
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14:49:15 <Halcyon> Gees steve30, what are you English thinking? : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgFYJkskpvA
14:52:33 <rust_collector> eating a burger with a spoon....
14:52:58 <MrMobodies> https://youtu.be/zgFYJkskpvA?t=55 Joke: I don't like my beef pulled.
14:53:44 <MrMobodies> I don't want just streaks of bacon I want the whole lot.
14:55:16 <rust_collector> what package type does oracle use? is it yum thingies?
14:55:17 <MrMobodies> other than the caramlised sugar the ingredients look quite good, no palm stuff or
14:55:26 <MrMobodies> yum
14:55:47 <rust_collector> well, then you can probably add your stuff
14:56:24 <MrMobodies> I see just add a repository to somewhere that holds the package and install
14:56:50 <rust_collector> or download the package, and install it
14:57:13 <MrMobodies> of course
14:57:26 <MrMobodies> I like it, like the others I got it exactly the way I want.
14:58:22 <rust_collector> so, download your .rpm, and...
14:58:34 <rust_collector> eeh, it has been ages since I used yum
14:58:43 <rust_collector> or rpms
14:59:12 <MrMobodies> I see I remember rpms
14:59:20 <MrMobodies> I see bash as well in there
14:59:31 <MrMobodies> i forgot about that
14:59:35 <rust_collector> cd to where the rpm is, then sudo (if you have that) rpm -ivh :/*.rpm
14:59:55 <MrMobodies> don't need sudo at the moment
15:00:09 <MrMobodies> I am not using it for anything seriously at the moment
15:00:13 <MrMobodies> I want to have a little play with it
15:00:23 <rust_collector> well, that was not the point either.
15:00:27 <MrMobodies> oh
15:00:38 <MrMobodies> okay I'll take a note of that
15:00:51 <rust_collector> the rest of the command will install your rpm package
15:01:28 <MrMobodies> that's nice
15:01:35 <MrMobodies> rpm -ivh :/*.rpm
15:01:38 <rust_collector> oh, I have a typo there
15:01:58 <rust_collector> rpm -ivh ./*.rpm
15:02:04 <rust_collector> . not :
15:02:05 <MrMobodies> is that similar to what Gentoo uses, Tarballs?
15:02:10 <MrMobodies> for some packages
15:02:23 <MrMobodies> just a bit different
15:02:27 <rust_collector> no, it is an rpm file. it is like a .deb, or so
15:03:10 <MrMobodies> I see RPM Package manager
15:03:54 <rust_collector> ok, then download the package, and try to install it using that
15:04:12 <MrMobodies> thanks for that I'll give that a go tomorrow
15:04:27 <MrMobodies> I'll find something that I know is going to work first
15:04:52 <rust_collector> why not just install gentoo? it should be perfect for you
15:05:06 <MrMobodies> I could, there is a package I want to install
15:05:09 <MrMobodies> it is called Psyched
15:05:24 <MrMobodies> I do like the oracle though
15:05:25 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/rmbD0QN.jpg
15:05:26 <rust_collector> you can spend ages configuring every little detail, lol
15:05:31 <MrMobodies> exactly the way i wan
15:05:43 <MrMobodies> with that one hardly any customizations
15:06:01 <MrMobodies> I will always spend time configuration every little bit of detail
15:06:10 <MrMobodies> so it doesn't annoy me
15:06:33 <rust_collector> then you should use a system that allow you to configure every little detail?
15:06:35 <MrMobodies> no animations no annoying dimming stuff no anger
15:06:56 <MrMobodies> I think I found a few thanks to you and Ampera
15:07:05 <MrMobodies> but I'd a look at gentoo now
15:07:13 <MrMobodies> I remembered that
15:07:45 <MrMobodies> it's this I want to see if I can get working
15:07:45 <MrMobodies> http://www.psyced.org/download.html
15:07:48 <MrMobodies> oops
15:07:53 <rust_collector> well, easy way is to just use a simple window manager in any random distro. then stay away from anything gtk2 or more
15:07:56 <MrMobodies> http://www.psyced.org/
15:09:04 <MrMobodies> it's a gateway that can join, IRC, telnet and many other protocols
15:09:18 <MrMobodies> and it has a built in webserver to manage it
15:09:35 <rust_collector> ok, have fun with that, lol
15:10:01 <rust_collector> I think it is time for my nap. I am going to have a long cold day tomorrow, I think.
15:10:04 <MrMobodies> it use to have back then MSN and Yahoo support
15:10:15 <MrMobodies> oh good night
15:10:17 <rust_collector> or maybe I will just stay inside and do nothing
15:10:45 <MrMobodies> you driving?
15:11:06 <MrMobodies> the lorries I mean
15:11:08 <rust_collector> I sort of want to see if I can make a capacitive dropper, then put a regulator on the output of that.
15:11:19 <rust_collector> uhm, not now, and not tomorrow
15:11:34 <rust_collector> I just got home one pizza before I started typing here
15:12:13 <MrMobodies> I only learnt about capacitive dropper from Clives video teardown of that Honeywell heating controller
15:12:44 <rust_collector> eh? did that use one of those? well, ok
15:12:49 <MrMobodies> he said something about it being limited to small loads I'd....I think fronm the video
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15:13:15 <rust_collector> yes, it is not suited for much power
15:13:47 <rust_collector> I do not think it is impossible, but you would end up with HUUUGE capacitors, I think
15:13:56 <MrMobodies> https://youtu.be/tM4P39KxtyM?t=101
15:14:09 <Kuschelpony> good morning
15:14:16 <MrMobodies> it looks like the capacitors in there wern't all populated
15:14:20 <MrMobodies> and it overheated
15:14:53 <rust_collector> oh, that one. ok
15:15:00 <rust_collector> morning Kuschelpony
15:15:22 <Kuschelpony> Thanks
15:15:33 <rust_collector> maybe even a good morning
15:16:07 <rust_collector> it is a pretty early morning? I do know you said you were an early bird, but...
15:16:16 <rust_collector> 5 on a saturday?
15:16:52 <Kuschelpony> yes, im already awake since an hour
15:17:10 <rust_collector> that is just wrong, lol
15:17:41 <Kuschelpony> thats normal every day of my life
15:17:52 <rust_collector> so, are you getting ready to go out and burn some churches before people wake up or something?
15:18:17 <rust_collector> hmm, I guess that is not as popular down there
15:19:36 <Kuschelpony> i prefer to just ignore churches, in the hope that the religious people honour that and also do not push their beliefes onto me
15:20:25 <rust_collector> well, they have a lot of energy, so at least you get warm, and you can grill hotdogs
15:21:10 <Kuschelpony> i already feel warm enough, and if it wouldnt i would just put on my fur :)
15:21:18 <rust_collector> hah
15:25:40 <rust_collector> if it gets much colder here, I might go find a sweater
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15:26:42 <rust_collector> weather guy on the radio said this cold weather was going to move south next week, so you have that to look forward to
15:29:24 <Kuschelpony> yeah
15:29:38 <Kuschelpony> im off again until the next hours, see you later
15:29:57 <rust_collector> have fun, i am going to bed
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17:15:52 * Halcyon opens the farm gate for the Kuschelpony
17:16:10 <Kuschelpony> Whinny :)
17:18:09 <Halcyon> Salt lick? :P
17:18:12 <Halcyon> How are you ?
17:19:07 <Kuschelpony> very wet from half an hour of hot shower
17:19:23 <Kuschelpony> will need to go shopping later so i am only temporary here
17:19:26 <Halcyon> Showers are the best
17:24:12 <Kuschelpony> yes
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19:10:37 * Halcyon cooks said egg for Ampera
19:11:00 * Ampera hugs Halcyon
19:11:02 <Ampera> how are you doing
19:11:39 <Halcyon> Doing alright
19:11:40 <Halcyon> How are you?
19:11:53 <Ampera> I'm
19:11:54 <Ampera> not human
19:12:04 <Halcyon> :P
19:12:32 <Ampera> playing minecraft and watching AvE like the edgiest fucking nerd this side of the wrist slitting grounds
19:12:45 <Halcyon> I'm making lamb ragu
19:12:51 <Ampera> expensive
19:12:56 <Halcyon> Nah
19:13:01 <Ampera> luckily
19:13:06 <Ampera> lamb is one of the most expensive meats here
19:13:18 <Halcyon> I bought some lamb leg and got the butcher to cut the bone out for me
19:13:34 <Halcyon> It's been in the slow cooker since about 1400 with various other things
19:13:37 <Ampera> planning on buying about 50 bucks worth of beef today though
19:13:43 <Halcyon> Mmmm beef
19:13:55 <Ampera> eye of round, hoping to get two of them
19:14:15 <Halcyon> I'm looking at plates
19:14:54 * Ampera installs stoneware into Halcyon's kitchen computer
19:15:02 <Halcyon> :P
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20:11:16 <steve30> Halcyon, maybe that burger is to compete with this one: http://stevecoates.net/stuff/mini-burger.JPG
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20:24:37 <steve30> its cold today
20:26:56 <Kuschelpony> here we have super sunny weather, dont feel anything of the currently -8�C
20:27:06 <Kuschelpony> after lunch i do some walkout
20:27:19 <Ampera> -8C is quite warm
20:27:30 <Ampera> it's -13C here
20:27:31 <Ampera> 8F
20:29:35 <Kuschelpony> we had in the morning -14�C when i went shopping, but now the -8 with full sun feel very warm in compariusion
20:39:49 <Halcyon> Aw cute steve30
20:40:57 <Ampera> Halcyon, do you know if AU customs law allows import of beef from the US?
20:45:13 <Halcyon> Let me check
20:46:15 <Halcyon> These are the rules: Meat jerky/biltong is allowed into Australia if the product is:
20:46:15 <Halcyon> NOT made from pork (pig meat)
20:46:16 <Halcyon> manufactured in an approved FMD-free country (note this requirement does not apply to jerky made from poultry meat)
20:46:16 <Halcyon> shelf stable (does not require refrigeration)
20:46:16 <Halcyon> commercially prepared and packaged and arrives into Australia in sealed (unopened) packaging
20:46:17 <Halcyon> imported in an amount up to 1 kilogram
20:46:19 <Halcyon> for the personal consumption of the importer.
20:46:21 <Halcyon> The product must be declared on arrival and may be inspected to ensure compliance with the above conditions.
20:46:26 <Halcyon> If the jerky does not comply with the conditions above it will be exported or destroyed at the importer’s expense.
20:46:46 <Halcyon> https://www.agriculture.gov.au/travelling/bringing-mailing-goods#meat-items
20:46:55 <Ampera> welp, it's not commercially prepared so oh well
20:46:57 <Ampera> you can't have any :P
20:47:13 <Halcyon> Just package it in such a way that it looks commercially prepared
20:47:27 <Halcyon> "Ampera Meat Product LLC." etc...
20:47:50 <Halcyon> So if you can find a way to seal it
20:48:03 <Halcyon> (vaccum packed would be preferred)
20:48:12 <Halcyon> *vacuum
20:48:35 <Ampera> Have no means of vacuum packing it, the plan was to paper package
20:48:59 <Halcyon> Shall I buy you a vacuum sealer? They are cheap as :P
20:49:18 <Ampera> I can look into it at some point
20:49:32 <Ampera> it'd just be hard to justify however cheap it is as I have no real use for one
20:49:43 <Halcyon> I use mine all the time
20:49:47 <Halcyon> I never thought I would
20:49:50 <Halcyon> But it's brilliant
20:49:59 <Ampera> for what though
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20:51:36 <Halcyon> For freezing mostly
20:51:44 <Ampera> freezing what
20:52:05 <Halcyon> Everything. From pastry to meats, to stock
20:52:23 <Ampera> but if you're freezing it, why do you need to vacuum seal it
20:52:31 <Halcyon> I also use it for dried goods that have been opened that would normally go meh due to humidity and such
20:52:40 <Halcyon> Because of freezer burn
20:52:54 <Halcyon> Fridge/freezers are extremely dry places.
20:53:45 <Halcyon> It also significantly reduces the space needed. Why freeze a whole tray of meat which has air in it?
20:54:09 <Ampera> that's not why freezer burn happens, it's a temperature differentials in a certain range of pressure values that allows the instantaneous transformation of ice into water vapor, which can condense on a colder surface
20:54:42 <Halcyon> Freezer burn is caused by dehyrdration
20:54:50 <Ampera> Freezer burn /is/ dehydration
20:54:54 <Halcyon> Yep
20:55:01 <Halcyon> And sealing it prevents that
20:55:08 <Ampera> it's used industrially for dehydration specifically
20:55:29 <Ampera> but it's not because the air is, in particular dry, it's more nuanced than that
20:55:36 <Ampera> Cody'sLab had a great explanation of it
20:55:40 <Halcyon> Well the air is the transport
20:55:54 <Halcyon> Block the air, you block the transfer of humidity
20:56:11 <Halcyon> Zip loc bags etc... aren't sealed enough
20:56:13 <Ampera> regardless, I don't have any meat I'd ever need to vacuum seal, as it's usually already sealed when I freeze it from the store
20:56:30 <Ampera> I also never use pastry, or really anything else I'd want to freeze
20:56:38 <Halcyon> Store bought packaging while "sealed" is not always air tight (on purpose)
20:57:11 <Ampera> most of ours is
20:57:25 <Ampera> most of our meat is packaged under an atmosphere of pressurized nitrogen
20:59:22 <Halcyon> Depends on the packaging used. A lot of polymers are permeable to certain gasses (including Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide)
20:59:39 <Ampera> let me put it a different way
20:59:44 <Ampera> it's a fix to a problem I haven't had yet
20:59:51 <Halcyon> Shelf-fresh packaging (even with nitrogen) is designed to keep the product fresh until the use-by date.
21:00:17 <steve30> The EEVblog forum seems a good place to discuss such packaging. Especially in relation to DVD drives etc :p
21:00:17 <Halcyon> I'm just saying, this is why I use vacuum sealing at home.
21:00:20 <Halcyon> You don't have to.
21:00:34 <Halcyon> steve30: Correct
21:00:50 <Halcyon> No one wants a stale DVD drive :P
21:01:27 <steve30> anyway, I'm off out
21:01:29 <steve30> back later
21:01:33 <Halcyon> Have fun
21:01:38 <Ampera> in other news my grandfather is no longer being evicted
21:01:49 <Halcyon> That's good
21:01:52 * steve30 hisses at the cold
21:02:30 <Halcyon> steve30, you need to move to the tropics
21:02:41 <Halcyon> All year 'round you bitch about the cold :P
21:02:56 <steve30> hehe
21:03:14 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Quit: <Baljem> steve30: by the way, I had the most bizarre dream the other day that someone came in here and seriously flipped their shit over your quit message and why aren't the ops /doing/ something about it
21:03:14 <Halcyon> I can see you in the Bahamas or something
21:03:19 <Halcyon> Dammit
21:03:42 <Ampera> Should move to the Tropic of Cancer, I hear Sudan's nice this time of year
21:03:52 <Halcyon> :P
21:04:07 <Halcyon> Sudanese food is delicious
21:04:43 <Ampera> Besides general north african/islamic cuisine, I have no clue what constitutes it
21:05:47 <Halcyon> Lots of spicies and root vegetables
21:05:52 <Halcyon> Kind of curry-ish
21:06:04 <Ampera> +1 for spices -1 for root vegetables
21:06:34 <Halcyon> Yes, I know how you feel about vege
21:07:00 * Halcyon thwacks T3sl4 with a leek
21:07:08 * T3sl4 spins Halcyon
21:07:12 <Ampera> I have the same fondness for veg as you have for vag.
21:07:21 <Halcyon> Fair enough
21:07:54 <T3sl4> vegetables are great
21:08:41 <Halcyon> The only vegetable I hate is celery (raw). I will however use it in cooking
21:08:55 <Ampera> T3sl4, they're easy to make too if you have a good homeless population and an iron bar
21:09:09 <Halcyon> Harsh :P
21:09:20 <T3sl4> confused. a good homeless population is none
21:09:37 <Ampera> if I had to eat a vegetable now, raw celery would be one of the ones I'd lean towards
21:09:49 <Ampera> just to be contrarian, but because I consider it one of the less offensive ones
21:09:57 <Halcyon> Celery tastes metallic to me
21:10:05 <Halcyon> Not a fan
21:10:21 <Ampera> T3sl4, if we don't have a homeless population, who's gonna be there to be turned into soylent green?
21:10:22 <T3sl4> Metallica - The Celery Remains
21:10:31 <Halcyon> Spinach and sprouts and such are probably my favourite
21:10:37 * T3sl4 soylents Ampera
21:10:43 <Halcyon> What is soylent green?
21:10:55 <T3sl4> itspeople.avi
21:11:02 <Ampera> Was from a book (if later a movie maybe) where people got turned into a green food thing
21:11:14 <Ampera> and then someone unironically made a real food called soylent
21:11:28 <Ampera> because humor is only lost on those who wish to make money
21:11:33 <Halcyon> Oh right
21:11:49 <T3sl4> well, there were different soylents in the original. they just made the vegetarian one, see
21:12:02 <Halcyon> Oh it's a movie, haven't seen it. Might have to (legally) download it.
21:12:06 <Ampera> ah, so the one made out of vegetarians
21:12:07 <Ampera> that explains it
21:13:18 <Halcyon> 1973... I imagine the effects will be quite spectacular :P
21:13:57 <Ampera> If I were to consume it's notion I'd read the book first. Unlike you, I'm not an uncultured swine.
21:14:00 <Ampera> I'm just a regular swine.
21:14:23 <Halcyon> I can read
21:14:35 <Halcyon> I have a book on my bedside table as we speak which I am working through
21:14:37 <Ampera> I'd be impressed if you couldn't
21:15:18 <Ampera> I used to read addictively, but now I mostly just read source code
21:15:22 <Ampera> and IRC
21:15:39 <Ampera> I usually read as a last resort, I don't mind it, but there's just far more sorts of media that are easier to consume
21:16:09 <Halcyon> I like paper (or ePaper)
21:16:21 <Ampera> I never really liked e-ink
21:16:32 <Ampera> maybe it's because our kindle wasn't very good, and was just insanely glossy
21:16:45 <Ampera> but it was always harder to read under any and all lighting conditions compared to normal paper
21:16:49 <Halcyon> I gave away my Kindle
21:16:55 <Ampera> perhaps the various backlit e-ink displays are better
21:16:56 <Halcyon> It had a very matte display though
21:17:05 <Ampera> but I'd rather just get an OLED or IPS display
21:17:30 <Halcyon> Meh, bad for your sleep
21:18:09 <Ampera> While people state that, I've found that it's never had a profound impact on my sleep
21:18:14 <Ampera> not more than just having a regular sleeping schedule
21:18:15 <Halcyon> I have
21:18:26 <Ampera> I'll regularly go to bed with simply a dim LCD in my face
21:18:53 <Ampera> that being said, I've largely grown up doing that, so perhaps I've simply adapted to it
21:18:55 <Halcyon> Compared to a dimly lit bedside lamp and a book, I find it takes me longer to get to sleep if I watch displays
21:19:42 <Ampera> when a sleeping schedule is good I can get to sleep in 30 minutes with a laptop in my face
21:19:43 <Halcyon> And by lamp, I mean incandencent, not LED.
21:19:53 <Ampera> what's the difference
21:20:00 <Halcyon> Plenty
21:20:18 <Ampera> best I know the only notable one is many LED lamps flicker
21:20:23 <Ampera> which is usually imperceptible
21:20:51 <Ampera> or, otherwise, I'd want to see the double blind randomized study that says otherwise :P
21:20:53 <Halcyon> LED tends to be "peaky" in certain wavelengths, whereas filament lamps are fairly consistent across the spectrum, particularly down the red end.
21:21:34 <Halcyon> Anyone with a half-decent eye will be able to pick the difference between a good quality LED and filament.
21:21:43 <Ampera> that being said, I'd love a bedside sodium lamp
21:22:04 <Halcyon> Sure, but they tend not to come in low-brightness versions :P
21:22:33 <Ampera> have you considered simply learning to read braille?
21:22:57 <Halcyon> I'd learn Auslan before I learned braille
21:23:19 <Ampera> auslan?
21:23:25 <Halcyon> Sign language used here
21:23:36 <Ampera> how would that help you read at night
21:23:41 <Halcyon> It wouldn't
21:23:51 <Halcyon> But if I were to learn a new language, it would be that
21:25:17 <Ampera> If I were to lean a new language it'd probably be Pascal
21:25:53 <Halcyon> :P
21:26:09 <Ampera> although FORTRAN would be neat
21:26:10 <Ampera> or COBOL
21:26:15 <Halcyon> or LOGO
21:26:16 <Halcyon> :P
21:26:22 <Ampera> what use is LOGO
21:26:36 <Halcyon> Making the turtle move
21:26:57 <Halcyon> It's the first computer language I learnt
21:27:16 <Ampera> I've also considered learning some of the douchebag new age language like go
21:27:34 <Halcyon> WTF is Go ?
21:27:42 <Ampera> a programming language
21:27:51 <Halcyon> Why is it "douchbag new age" ?
21:28:13 <Ampera> because it's a hipster new language with young new ideas used by trendy people who want to be different
21:28:47 <Ampera> also it was designed by/at google
21:29:02 <Halcyon> Judging by some of the stupid error messages in Windows 10, I wonder if that was written by idiots.
21:29:16 <Ampera> Rust is another one
21:29:38 <Ampera> D as well, though that one's a bit older
21:31:05 <Ampera> Most of what I write at the moment is C# because it's quick, easy, and most commonly used at work
21:31:32 <Ampera> It's sort of like a whore, something you use when you've given up on doing shit right and just need something
21:38:03 * Halcyon pokes Ampera with a C# stick
21:38:14 * Ampera smacks Halcyon with a big D
21:38:22 <Halcyon> \o/
21:38:44 <Halcyon> Argh, I have to work tommorrow which is unusual
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