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00:15:49 Quit: Kuschelpony ([email protected]) Quit: Verlassend
00:46:34 <rust_collector> arrrf
00:49:50 <K> no, that is not allowed.
00:54:31 <rust_collector> yes
00:56:58 <T3sl4> only LF is allowed
01:23:32 <rust_collector> LF
01:23:51 * electrohead linefeeds T3sl4
01:24:05 * T3sl4
01:24:17 <T3sl4> amazingly, that displays in pidgin. YMMV?
01:24:32 <electrohead> that displays for me, as well
01:25:02 <T3sl4> so it's not just the client seeing what it sent, interesting
01:26:33 <Ysjoelfir> it doesn't for me
01:27:43 <rust_collector> hmm, nope, just your pretty teal name
01:29:34 <T3sl4> what a shame
01:29:47 <rust_collector> I like teal
01:30:06 <T3sl4> so you're saying you find me a-teal-ing
01:30:37 <rust_collector> a-something-ing, yes
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02:07:25 <arch> the higher temperature thermostat upgrade really make an awesome difference in quality for my laminator
02:08:10 <rust_collector> woohoo! what temp is it at now?
02:10:43 <arch> T3sl4, rust_collector https://imgur.com/a/XylYkJH
02:10:54 <arch> 150C thermostats
02:11:18 <rust_collector> that looks like a nice board
02:11:19 * T3sl4 laminates arch's ass
02:11:37 <arch> if you look at the last pic, you can see distinct roller marks every time the roller moves (10s period; 1s on time)
02:11:58 <arch> im not sure how to reduce that, but it doesn't seem to make the prints bad
02:12:22 <T3sl4> hm, i see some questionable traces
02:12:41 <K> salaminator
02:12:44 <arch> like what
02:12:50 <rust_collector> I see this: https://imgur.com/gallery/bH7rle5
02:12:58 <T3sl4> there's a pair to the top right
02:13:16 <arch> all the way top right?
02:13:36 <T3sl4> those a bit, but the pair just below them, with the pair of chip components
02:13:43 <T3sl4> and maybe the pair below that too
02:14:07 <arch> those isolated circular pads are for mounting holes
02:14:07 <T3sl4> the prinny looks good, despite being finer lines than the rest, tho i don't know how solid those lines are
02:14:14 <arch> 0.3mm
02:14:41 <T3sl4> left side looks better than right, which way went in first?
02:14:56 <arch> fuck, i should have noted that down
02:15:26 <T3sl4> at least on the printers i was using, i always had the problem that toner density sucked on large pours. looks good here at least
02:15:28 <arch> ah ok, i can tell from the 2nd pic which side
02:16:03 <arch> the bad looking side went in first
02:16:49 <arch> i was thinking of putting it through multiple times, but i wanted a reference for a first pass quality. takes about 6 mins for a board this sise to go through
02:17:05 <T3sl4> neat
02:17:12 <T3sl4> wonder if it might help to preheat
02:17:54 <arch> yeah, i think i'll do that next time. the good thing about this laminator is there's a lever that lets you lock or unlock the gear mechanism
02:18:21 <arch> so i could feed in a bit of the board, lock it in place for 2 mins to preheat, then unlock the gear and let it pass
02:19:35 <rust_collector> are the rollers metal, or some kind of rubber stuff? don't melt them in one spot...
02:20:08 <arch> but for sure this PCB is ready for action, soon as i rejoin the two broken tracks. (red = conjoined tracks; pink = broken tracks) : https://i.imgur.com/1xzrxvG.png
02:20:33 <arch> already did a continuity check on the whole pcb to confirm
02:20:47 <arch> this is much faster than me tinning the whole board to cover split tracks
02:21:26 <arch> i might rip off version 3 later on: https://www.whizoo.com/controleo3
02:21:43 <arch> ain't nobody got money fo dat
02:22:45 <arch> rust_collector, rollers are made of some rubbery material. doesn't seem to melt at 150C though
02:23:01 <arch> or i would have seen black markings on the paper
02:23:54 <rust_collector> ok. Nah, I mean, if they get softer or harder, and you stop them from rotating, they would be uneven. but if it seems to work, then that is good
02:24:19 <electrohead> that's what she said
02:24:51 <rust_collector> yes, if it stops rotating, that would be.. uhm. err
02:26:01 <T3sl4> it would be like me
02:26:04 <rust_collector> some women who have implants, to get huuuuge boobies, they should make them spin also, just because why not?
02:26:08 <T3sl4> oh wait, did i say me, i meant to say creep
02:26:55 <T3sl4> but creep is the technical term for when something flows under strain, without being, like, a liquid or whatever
02:26:56 <arch> lol electrohead good one
02:29:48 <arch> next time i'll try putting the board horizontally, that way it makes more contact and should get preheated faster
02:32:19 <T3sl4> but probably also less pressure. but yeah, worth trying
02:37:04 <arch> T3sl4, yesterday i was trying to see if there's a way to get a 555 timer + comparator to be able to sweep a servo motor back and forth at a slow pace. it seems there is. so i might just make that and print it out. i need to be able to automatically tilt and untilt my tray of ferric chloride, instead of doing it manually.
02:37:24 <T3sl4> not a 555, but maybe a 556
02:38:00 <arch> or two 555s, either way, im not using a microcontroller. waste of money to use a $2 attiny85, although it would be muuuuch faster, like 5 minutes or less :D
02:38:02 <T3sl4> traditional way, gearhead motor with a crank
02:39:13 <K> crank gearheads everywhere!
02:39:14 <rust_collector> finally a use for the turntable motor in a microwave
02:43:54 <arch> no, that one runs at 120V tho
02:45:55 <rust_collector> well, you have that over there, I think. but ok. It is just that I have never found anything to use those for
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03:07:05 <arch> those have some serious torque, im sure there's use cases for them
03:08:45 <rust_collector> yep. probably. If you had a huge ring gear with bearings, you could turn a huge disco ball
03:09:36 <rust_collector> so, are you running out of mains outlets, or do you just have a thing for low voltage stuff?
03:17:26 <arch> i don't like messing with hv stuff unless absolutely necessary. plus, usb ports are everywhere, so it's nice being able to use any old power adapter
03:22:33 <rust_collector> That made me wonder if they have upgraded the usb mini fridge things to the newer usb types, which can supply a little bit of power
03:23:11 <rust_collector> Not that I need a tiny fridge, but I always thought those things were pretty dumb
03:25:17 <K> them is dumb.
03:25:35 <arch> put a 5V peltier fridge. maybe you can cool a shot of whisky....in about 2 weeks
03:26:09 <T3sl4> oh yey, i got my font to work
03:26:12 <rust_collector> that is what I figured. But with the never usb stuff, with 20v ..
03:27:05 <K> you are a pervert, rust_collector, are you aware of that?
03:27:11 <T3sl4> have given up on dictionary coding, so plain old huffman code it is. which was already working, so i just had to rewrite it for drawing rows at a time
03:28:04 <rust_collector> K, I am aware of that. but... why do you mention that just now?
03:28:07 <arch> shut up, nerd
03:29:09 <K> "usb fridge with usb-c/pd"
03:44:47 <rust_collector> i still have to find an usb-c laptop charger. I am not very impressed by the lenovo one, I wonder if some other brand makes a tougher plug. But then I guess it is better to break the charger than the port
03:46:11 <rust_collector> but, it is time to go. have fun
03:47:05 <K> if we must.
03:47:41 <rust_collector> it is not like I gave you an option... go on. fun fun fun!
03:54:26 <Lord_of_nothing> omg see where my parcel claim to be! Mi, 03.02.2021, 14:15, Bielefeld, Deutschland
03:55:45 <K> Ysjoelfir be inspectin yo package
03:56:05 <Ysjoelfir> No, can't be. Bielefeld doesn't exist
03:58:14 <Lord_of_nothing> thats what i thought
04:00:50 <Lord_of_nothing> i guess dhl use an extra terrestrial hehicle
04:00:58 <Lord_of_nothing> vehickle
04:01:04 <Lord_of_nothing> or how to spell
04:15:18 <K> aaaaand im done
04:15:20 <K> cyas
04:17:21 <Ysjoelfir> cu K
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04:31:19 <guest023> I ended up with a whole bunch of electronics surplus. Trying to decide if the following is worth keeping as a hobbyist: Digi-Key Part Number
04:31:19 <guest023> 1779-1134-ND
04:32:10 <Ysjoelfir> Hello to you as well mr. unknown guest
04:32:27 <guest023> Hey there
04:32:37 <guest023> also digi key part:
04:32:37 <guest023> 1779-1344-ND
04:33:23 <guest023> are these bobbins and ferrite cores worth keeping?
04:33:41 <Ysjoelfir> sure, why not?
04:33:53 <guest023> I am assuming these are used to build your own transformer?
04:34:07 <Ysjoelfir> or inductors in general, yes
04:34:39 <guest023> I got way too much stuff to sort out, so much smd, through hole, and all bags and bags of components it would take me months to sort out -- I think I got in too deep
04:35:03 <Ysjoelfir> one can never have to much stuff
04:36:03 <guest023> I thought so myself and that is why I spent years and years hoarding all these things, but now my workroom has become full of components many of them unsorted and untouched for years.. it just doesn't seem practical to keep all this
04:36:39 <guest023> I recall reading somewhere on the eevBlog forum of a suggestion to buy what you need at the time required which I am now trying to implement
04:37:08 <guest023> I am going to try keeping lots of through hole components
04:37:39 <guest023> for example I don't need 10 or 15 of the same Hammond transformer.. I think one or max two is enough of the same model
04:38:08 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/im-going-nuts-in-my-lab-need-to-get-rid-of-stuff-advice/msg1755122/#msg1755122
04:38:13 <Ysjoelfir> Been there, done that
04:38:40 <guest023> oh my.. i just read the first line and completely relate
04:39:14 <guest023> my room has been so full of things I don't even want to go in it and for about the last few years I might have only gone in there a few times because there is too much stuff all over the place
04:43:30 <guest023> back to the ferrite cores and bobbin. If one was to make there own transformer or inductor using the two part numbers previously mentioned, I am assuming one bobbin and two ferrite cores for the top and bottom are needed?
04:44:09 <Ysjoelfir> yes
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04:45:27 <guest023> there is a small whole through the center of the upper and lower ferrite core. I am assuming this is to mount it with a screw?
04:46:04 <Ysjoelfir> that should be for mounting, yes.
04:47:30 <guest023> thank you! -- I will put aside a few of each size to keep -- I can't foresee having to need 20 or 30 of these in the near future
04:48:31 <guest023> btw would anyone have any idea what these are used for - "Siemens Uberspannugsableiter SVP Tubes"
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04:49:27 <Ysjoelfir> Sure, those are Überspannungsableiter.
04:49:44 <Ysjoelfir> (don't we all like our german composite words? :D)
04:49:57 <Ysjoelfir> its basically a GDT
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04:51:10 <TheDude> knowing just a smidge of German makes things just a tiny bit less terrifying when seeing those kinds of letter snakes
04:51:25 <guest023> lol
04:51:35 <guest023> so these would be used in high voltage applications?
04:51:50 <Ysjoelfir> I can't see whats terrigying on Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz
04:52:55 <TheDude> skinmeat's stickering something something?
04:53:09 <Ysjoelfir> that depends on the exact kind GDT you have there, it can be from some low-ish voltage to several thousands.
04:53:23 <Ysjoelfir> TheDude - well, kind of
04:53:30 <TheDude> guest023, protection against high voltage, actually
04:53:42 <TheDude> the circuit doesn't need to be very high voltage as such to use a GDT
04:53:51 <guest023> hmmm.. ok I see a hand written marking indicating 10KV
04:54:31 <TheDude> speaking of things
04:54:34 <Ysjoelfir> TheDude its a law to manage the distribution of tasks correlating with the observation of labelling of beef meat.
04:54:51 <TheDude> today I taught an Indian "engineer" how forces work on a block on an incline plane
04:55:09 <Ysjoelfir> learning is always nice
04:55:27 <TheDude> having to work with idiot customers is not
04:56:05 <guest023> thank you @ TheDude , Ysjoselfir -- I can't see myself needing these -- I'll get rid of them
04:56:26 <TheDude> Indians?
04:56:56 <TheDude> okay, that wasn't the nicest thing, but hopefully I got at least an awkward giggle out of you two :D
04:57:40 <TheDude> speaking of very nice things, ethereum pushed above $1600 :)
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05:12:55 <electrohead> o/
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05:19:23 <Ysjoelfir> mornings mr. beer
05:26:28 <electrohead> g'morning/afternoon
05:39:22 <T3sl4> buh
05:44:10 <arch> boo
06:03:19 <steve30> hi
06:12:00 <arch> steve30, go away. i'm interrogating T3sl4 in my basement right now
06:12:51 * T3sl4 swipes arch's flashlight while he wasn't looking
06:15:59 <arch> damn, it's crazy how fast a finished copperclad pcb starts oxidizing. maybe i should stick inside a ziplock bag
06:16:28 <arch> yesterday it had a really shiny finish, now it's become more dark reddish
06:18:53 <steve30> Did you get anything worthwhile out of the T3sl4?
06:20:01 <T3sl4> unlikely
06:20:25 <arch> i found out where he stored his hidden stash of Analog Devices ICs. $10k worth of chips in a drawer
06:21:16 <steve30> nice
06:21:33 <arch> probably you can store a lot more than $10k worth of ICs in a drawer. you get fancy FPGAs for many dozens of dollars worth, and they might not even be in a large package
06:22:28 <T3sl4> good luck reselling them tho
06:23:26 * Ysjoelfir has ~200 Xilinx FPGAs, each costing ~75€
06:23:36 <Ysjoelfir> but: as T3sl4 sais....
06:23:47 <arch> yeah, very unlikely to make much reselling. that's why you can often find really good, old ICs from https://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/
06:23:56 <steve30> I ordered £3 worth of transistors earlier. Which actually is quite expensive, but then I only ordered 2.
06:24:40 <arch> worst trade deal in history, maybe ever. unless those trannies were power trannies
06:25:32 <T3sl4> wow, that is actually a good deal https://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G23215
06:27:08 <Ysjoelfir> I never knew those were delivered in glass vials. https://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G21665
06:27:47 <steve30> intriguing packaging
06:28:13 <arch> https://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G9321
06:28:41 <arch> https://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G15287
06:28:46 <arch> that one is neat^^
06:29:15 <Ysjoelfir> nice :) I love those sets (which is a reason why I order at pollin.de from time to time)
06:29:33 <steve30> yay electronic surprise :)
06:29:42 <arch> i see some tin can packages there
06:29:50 <arch> and the obsolete TO-218
06:29:58 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.pollin.de/bauelemente/sortimente/
06:31:24 <arch> OHOOO NIIICE https://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G18688
06:31:35 <arch> fucking expensive to get polycaps from digi
06:32:02 <steve30> T3sl4, whenever I see the AVX logo, it always reminds me of this photo that I took
06:32:02 <steve30> https://www.flickr.com/photos/36651585@N04/26693266017/in/dateposted-public/
06:32:44 <T3sl4> heh
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07:01:10 <hsn> Why this guy speakees likee dis https://youtu.be/DzM3-bnotgQ
07:01:29 <Ysjoelfir> because he can!
07:05:03 <hsn> On purpose?
07:05:15 <hsn> Or he speaks like this in real life
07:08:18 <Ysjoelfir> I dunno?
07:09:22 <coppice> Either he speaks like this all the time, or he is auditioning to play a mad scientist in a movie
07:09:44 <steve30> Well, he is from a part of the world where they have funny accents.
07:17:01 <hsn> U guys have to see the video at 10:30
07:17:14 <hsn> Ysjoelfir: coppice and T3sl4 ^^
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07:17:27 <hsn> These capacitors are waxed lol
07:18:03 <Ysjoelfir> wth
07:18:06 <Ysjoelfir> oO
07:18:41 <T3sl4> shrug
07:19:33 <electrohead> Ysjoelfir: is that one small boob, and one large boob?
07:19:35 <electrohead> (lol)
07:20:11 <T3sl4> (.Y.)
07:20:36 <Ysjoelfir> yes, its my friend booberella
07:20:49 <electrohead> :p
07:23:33 <hsn> ( Y )
07:23:47 <hsn> Now its vigaina
07:24:02 <T3sl4> vagene
07:24:34 <hsn> Boobs and vagene
07:24:42 <electrohead> vagene rhymes with gangreen
07:24:44 <electrohead> :P
07:44:36 <steve30> I don't think there's much hope of me sleeping. My Mum is now shouting into to iThings again.
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08:20:39 Mode: (by ChanOP) +oo T3sl4 DogWomble
08:21:28 <T3sl4> netsplit dance! (/^-^)/
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08:22:38 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo!
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08:27:03 <electrohead> \\(^-^\)
08:27:09 <electrohead> whoops
08:27:12 <electrohead> \(^-^\)
08:27:18 <electrohead> there we go :p
08:30:30 <Ysjoelfir> \(^-^)/
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08:42:19 <electrohead> -(^-^)-
08:42:48 <Ysjoelfir> n(^-^)n
09:00:23 <Lord_of_nothing> re
09:00:50 <Lord_of_nothing> who grabbed the pussy?
09:01:04 <coppice> a cat burglar
09:47:17 <Lord_of_nothing> 02.02.2021 Bestellung versandt
09:47:17 <Lord_of_nothing> 08.01.2021 Zahlung eingegangen
09:47:17 <Lord_of_nothing> 06.01.2021 Artikel nicht auf Lager
09:47:17 <Lord_of_nothing> 06.01.2021 Warten auf Zahlungseingang von Bank
09:47:28 <Lord_of_nothing> wow some company are damn qick
09:48:01 <TheDude> sounds german for "you're not getting your stuff"
09:48:53 <Lord_of_nothing> more like "what mean on stock"
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10:48:10 <rust_collector> traaaaaans-formers *lame music and flashing pictures*
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13:03:51 <coppice> Optimus Primary secondary core and insulation
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18:40:37 <Halcyon> Hey guys
18:40:43 * Halcyon nibbles on electrohead's sprouts
18:42:12 * T3sl4 sprouts Halcyon
18:49:09 <Halcyon> :)
18:49:17 <Halcyon> I take it Ampera hasn't come back yet?
18:50:53 <T3sl4> hm, haven't seen since, i think
18:51:09 <Halcyon> Hm, I'm a bit annoyed that he took the bot offline
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18:57:03 <Halcyon> Hey Ed
19:03:27 <ed_kloonk> hey
19:04:00 <Halcyon> How was your day?
19:04:23 <ed_kloonk> i had a little fish of syd hourbor
19:04:28 <Halcyon> Oh nice
19:04:33 <Halcyon> Didn't work today?
19:04:39 <ed_kloonk> what is work?
19:04:43 <Halcyon> I hate you :P
19:05:34 <ed_kloonk> i have a email acct for hate mail
19:05:54 <Halcyon> My day consisted of trying educate a 50-something year old middle manager who has the WORST people management and communications skills of anyone I've ever met, why it's generally not a good idea to say one thing, then change your mind (but not tell anyone) weeks later, every...single...fucking...month
19:06:36 <Halcyon> How these people get into these positions is beyond me
19:06:58 <Halcyon> I have Constables with less than 5 years experience with more management ability than he does.
19:07:04 <ed_kloonk> because they too to silly to do the work in the trenches
19:08:14 <Halcyon> Oh but this is the thing that annoys me... he *thinks* he can do the work of a specialist, because he used to do the same years ago. Nevermind that his knowledge is completely out of date, but he is one of these dangerous types that rather than admit he doesn't know something (and talk to the people who do know), he just guesses (often incorrectly) and makes decisions based on that.
19:08:44 <Halcyon> It shits me to no end
19:08:50 <ed_kloonk> I can see that
19:09:20 <ed_kloonk> the entry standard is much higher that it used to be tho
19:09:40 <ed_kloonk> In my day to get into the coppers was be 6 foot and a bit of a thug
19:10:10 <Halcyon> Well yes, nowadways police are university educated. I mean this guy isn't dumb, he just has a giant ego and claims to be everything that he isn't.
19:10:58 <Halcyon> What's more frustrating, we are going to have this same conversation in a few weeks because he'd have forgotten what he said by then
19:11:03 <Halcyon> And round and round we go
19:11:45 <Halcyon> Also, I am considering, do I "need" a SD card to VGA adapter for PocketPC's and iPaq's :P
19:11:47 <ed_kloonk> Well, you can play along with this idiot.. or be played
19:12:12 <Halcyon> Well I am constantly bashing heads because I want to sheild those under me from his garbage
19:12:31 <Halcyon> My practitioners don't need to be exposed to his crap, they have a job to do. I just need to give them the tools to do it.
19:14:23 <Halcyon> Anyway... *sips a glass of wine*
19:18:19 <ed_kloonk> do you think fixed wireless NBN is safe?
19:19:36 <Halcyon> In what way? From hackers etc... ?
19:20:00 <ed_kloonk> yeah.
19:20:11 <Halcyon> No less safe than WiFi
19:20:24 <ed_kloonk> yeah.
19:21:33 <Halcyon> Most stuff is SSL these days anyway
19:23:09 <ed_kloonk> indeed.
19:24:05 <Halcyon> Why do you ask?
19:24:15 <Halcyon> Are you up to no good? :P
19:24:35 <T3sl4> mmm, tacos
19:24:51 <T3sl4> needs jalapenos though. i didn't pick up any :(
19:24:55 <Halcyon> Oh no!
19:25:03 <ed_kloonk> I was wondering about man in the middle attack on someone surfing thier bank website
19:25:03 <Halcyon> Which reminds me, I need Jalapenos
19:25:30 <Halcyon> Well banks especially use strong encryption and most would be on TLS 1.3 now
19:25:55 <Halcyon> So even corporate networks wouldn't be able to intercept the certificates, it would break it
19:26:10 <ed_kloonk> ah right, gotcha
19:26:57 <Halcyon> I don't know the exact stats, but even if the comms between the NBN CPE and tower was in the clear (which I'm sure it's not), then most of the internet is using encryption anyway
19:27:08 <Halcyon> Even this IRC server (if you turned on SSL in the server options)
19:29:25 <ed_kloonk> regarding in the clear, yeah if I could be bothered I should do a packet sniff cos the activety light goes bonkers
19:29:44 <Halcyon> Quite normal I'd say
19:29:49 <T3sl4> leaving the major remaining vulnerability being the rubber hose attack
19:29:53 <Halcyon> There is always *some* traffic
19:30:01 <T3sl4> or in Halcyon's case, the fleshy penis attack
19:30:05 <Halcyon> :P
19:30:12 <ed_kloonk> My luck would be normies watching twilight
19:30:21 <Halcyon> Normies ?
19:30:58 <ed_kloonk> a normal regular person not savvy to the shit around them
19:31:37 <T3sl4> twilight?
19:32:26 <ed_kloonk> substitute twilight with any other dump netflix series
19:32:29 <Halcyon> Who watches Twilight in your house Ed?
19:33:43 <T3sl4> yes, who? *judges intensely*
19:33:54 <ed_kloonk> is the rubber hose attack on bitchute?
19:34:08 <ed_kloonk> asking for a freind
19:34:17 <T3sl4> imagine so
19:34:47 <Halcyon> It's a variant on the traditiaonl "Phonebook" or "Bag of oranges" attack.
19:35:16 <Halcyon> I guess because no one has a phone book anymore, rubber hose works just as good (if not better)
19:35:48 <ed_kloonk> maybe I live a sheltered life
19:36:31 <Halcyon> T3sl4, was insinuating all the encryption in the world won't do anything to protect you against someone belting the crap out of you until you give up your passwords and/or money.
19:36:58 <T3sl4> or seducing, as the case may be
19:37:16 <Halcyon> That has limited success
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19:38:51 <ed_kloonk> I was going the angle that the enc of the wireless network is poory implemented
19:39:19 <Halcyon> I don't actually know the technical details behind it
19:39:24 <Halcyon> It's an interesting question though
19:39:35 <Halcyon> But then again, neither is the cellular network
19:39:58 <ed_kloonk> dodgy as shit, i'm sure
19:40:01 <Halcyon> A token gesture of encryption is all that is needed for most people, anything else, you bolt on the top yourself
19:41:52 <Halcyon> I'm talking at the transport layer, of course services like banks, the Facebooks etc... add strong encryption on for you, so you don't have to.
19:43:09 <K> hello butters
19:43:20 <ed_kloonk> hey
19:43:27 <Halcyon> Hey pumpkin
19:43:54 <T3sl4> kucumber
19:44:22 <ed_kloonk> if K has an offspring, does said offsping become L?
19:44:39 <K> no
19:44:44 <K> at first it becomes l
19:44:46 <K> k
19:44:49 <K> that is
19:44:50 <K> not l
19:45:12 <ed_kloonk> [nods]
19:45:36 <T3sl4> lower k's, indeed
19:46:06 <Ysjoelfir> Mornings
19:46:16 <ed_kloonk> hey
19:46:29 <Ysjoelfir> So.... who wants to join me replacing the front wheel bearings on my volvo?
19:47:04 <ed_kloonk> I've done too many bearings. Most at the wrong time of the day
19:47:23 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir, I shall hold your tools and bring you snacks :P Other than that I would be useless
19:47:25 <T3sl4> i'll join you in moral support
19:47:59 <Ysjoelfir> Perfect! ed_kloonk has the experience, Halcyon brings snacks and tools and T3sl4 sends brainwaves, what could potentially go wrong?
19:48:29 <Halcyon> Murphys Law?
19:48:39 <Ysjoelfir> Don't mention that fucker
19:49:13 <Halcyon> I wonder if he was a top, always fucking things
19:49:17 <Ysjoelfir> I already know that, after I'm done and hope that the strange noise is finally done... I will notice that its still there.
19:50:06 <ed_kloonk> I've had some untidy ones. A long way from home too
19:55:06 <Ysjoelfir> T3sl4, I have a great one for you. He needs Altium Designer, Circuit Design and Matlab skills. https://www.upwork.com/jobs/~0139b19e6844d59fb9
19:55:50 <T3sl4> hah
19:56:16 <Lord_of_nothing> Good morning
19:56:26 <Halcyon> Hey Lord_of_nothing
19:57:20 <ed_kloonk> hey
19:58:15 <Lord_of_nothing> did i miss something important this morning?
19:58:27 <T3sl4> nothing to see here
19:59:41 <ed_kloonk> Halcyon is offering to hold Ysjoelfir's tool
19:59:53 <Lord_of_nothing> i should finnish the 3d printer build
19:59:58 <Lord_of_nothing> but i am not in the mood
20:00:05 <T3sl4> rust_collector can help with that
20:00:54 <Ysjoelfir> so, I'm outside at the car now. cu later
20:01:08 * Ysjoelfir grabs Halcyon and pulls him with him
20:01:15 <Halcyon> Oooer
20:01:52 <T3sl4> good luck, and other moral feelgoodisms
20:03:26 <K> what is Circuit Design ?
20:05:41 <T3sl4> good question
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20:09:22 <ed_kloonk> wb
20:09:31 <Lord_of_nothing> re
20:16:50 <T3sl4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiVWBOBUlaA
20:21:18 <ed_kloonk> A fine machine
20:38:55 <ed_kloonk> Did anyone ever watch Aussie50's y/t channel?
20:42:30 <K> ocasionally
20:50:19 <T3sl4> ye
20:50:24 <T3sl4> rip
21:01:20 <ed_kloonk> hahaha Dave's wiring
21:09:45 <ed_kloonk> Off to bed. Need beauty sleep
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22:42:28 <hsn> T3sl4, thats great milling machine hack
22:42:45 <T3sl4> ye
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22:44:03 <hsn> now give me coockies
22:44:10 <hsn> cookies
22:44:48 <T3sl4> Halcyon can give you cockies
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22:45:41 <ed_kloonk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwPzpQljrLU
22:48:01 <T3sl4> methinks ed is pole vaulting
22:48:34 <ed_kloonk> It is facinating engineering IMO
22:50:16 <T3sl4> i'll give 'em this, i can't jump over my own height, that's for sure
22:52:40 <ed_kloonk> There's a few there I wouldn't mind jumping
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23:20:53 <Ysjoelfir> re
23:21:15 <steve30> hi
23:26:21 <Ysjoelfir> hi steve
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