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00:18:02 boris is now known as wolfegg
00:21:06 <MekkisScreen> where does it list penalties for shooting from a moving mount?
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00:34:34 <Ballig> page 202, Mounted Combat
00:42:18 <MekkisScreen> what sort of masterwork tool could I use to help me appear Lawful Good through UMD?
00:44:03 <fued> disguise kit? lol
00:46:54 <Ballig> a halo
00:48:00 <Hydrazine> 1 level of paladin
00:50:57 <Ballig> that wont' work unless he's already lawful good :p
00:51:30 <Hydrazine> But it DOES work!
00:53:35 <Bautan> Sorry I'm late. Home game ran over, just got back. Delirium's Tangle happening now?
00:53:52 <fued> your off by 25 hours
00:53:54 <Hydrazine> I thought that was last night.
00:54:17 <Bautan> ah. . .my bad. doubly sorry.
00:55:07 <Ballig> ha
00:55:11 <Ballig> wonder which one that was
00:55:33 <Ballig> must've been Sarien
00:57:09 <fued> how do "class" skills work
00:57:19 <fued> is it the latest class you got? or a combo of all your classes?
00:57:31 <Ballig> combo of all your classes
00:57:54 <Ballig> if a skill is on any of the lists of class skills for any class you have levels in, it's a class skill and you get a +3 bonus for having at least 1 rank in it
01:00:48 <fued> does it make any difference what order you take classes in? e.g. if i wanted 1 level of oracle for my bard, would i be better starting as an oracle or going bard->oracle->bard?
01:01:05 <Brunius> Do they have different HD?
01:01:11 <fued> nope
01:01:20 <Ballig> the only thing that would be different is the number of hit points you get
01:01:24 <Ballig> because you get full hit points at first level
01:04:02 <Hydrazine> Well, and gameplay for your first level, ofcourse.
01:06:21 <fued> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/harmonic-spell
01:06:29 <fued> !feats harmonic-spell
01:06:36 <fued> would that work with oracle 1st level spells?
01:06:44 <fued> !feat harmonic spell
01:06:50 <fued> i suck at this bot lol
01:07:12 <Ballig> you need to have Bardic performance before you can take the feat
01:07:25 <fued> assuming i have 1 level in oracle and 1 in bard
01:07:48 <Ballig> it doesn't say it has to be a bard spell though
01:08:01 <Hydrazine> I see no rerason why not.
01:09:33 <Hydrazine> Arcane and divine spellcasting?
01:09:52 <fued> yeh, is that allowed?
01:10:22 <Hydrazine> Sure. I just ponder whether or not its really effective.
01:10:32 <Hydrazine> But don't take my thoughts as reason not to try it.
01:11:08 <fued> im trying to have a bard that can keep his performance going every fight lol
01:11:34 <Hydrazine> How many rounds can you reasonably get at level 1?
01:11:50 <fued> i had 8 last time, was nowhere near enough i felt
01:11:59 <fued> i can get upto around 16 with feats and maxing cha
01:12:09 <Hydrazine> 8 sounds like quite a bit to me.
01:12:18 <Hydrazine> Most combats only last 3 rounds or so.
01:12:20 <fued> i used em all up before the final fight lol
01:13:04 <fued> Although, for every level in bard you gain an additional 2, so im not sure if its even going to be an issue once i get level 4ish
01:13:49 <Hydrazine> My last game, the first fight took like 8 rounds.
01:13:58 <Hydrazine> Everything after that, we finished before the whole party got a turn.
01:14:23 <fued> i think ours was like 2/4/3/5
01:15:14 <Hydrazine> I'd say take consideration of how your spellcasting progression looks with a split arcane/divine, compared to sticking to one side.
01:16:15 <fued> would double my spells until around level 5, at which point it would double all but the level 2 spell
01:17:21 <Hydrazine> Remember that saving throws are based on caster level aswell.
01:18:01 <fued> yeah id use the oracle ones for things like double morale boost, making my performace twice as effective
01:19:07 <Hydrazine> Morale bonuses don't stack.
01:19:29 <fued> the spell says it doubles morale bonuses
01:19:33 <fued> thats all it does
01:19:41 <Hydrazine> huh. Mkay.
01:20:40 <fued> only works on one roll once
01:20:57 <fued> so the person under the influence of my song could have +2 attack and +1 damage, or +1 attack and +2 damage
01:24:29 <Hydrazine> Improves with level too?
01:25:02 <fued> not the spell, the bardic performance does tho
01:33:23 <Hydrazine> pretty good then.
01:44:37 <Ballig> saving throws aren't based on caster level
01:44:45 <Ballig> they're based on spell level and spellcasting stat
01:50:27 <fued> can you save a feat?
01:50:34 <Steven> alright, im back
01:51:29 <Steven> you cannot select a feat for which you do not meet all the prereqs
01:51:49 <Ballig> you can't not take a feat when you level and then take it later
01:52:00 <fued> ah ok
01:52:03 <fued> damn
01:59:34 <Steven> i should have bought some aleve when i was at the store tonight
02:00:17 <Ballig> how do you pronounce fued
02:00:27 <fued> few d
02:00:34 <fued> same was as feud
02:00:36 <fued> way*
02:00:38 <Ballig> oh
02:00:50 <Ballig> I might start pronouncing it "food"
02:00:54 <fued> yeah people do that
02:01:00 <fued> sometimes i add "one" to the end
02:01:12 <fued> and its few doughn
02:01:18 <fued> lol
02:01:39 <Ballig> I like "food one"
02:01:42 <Ballig> makes you sound like a fatty fat fat
02:01:59 <fued> haha
02:02:07 <fued> go for it
02:18:47 <Steven> i want to abuse this....
02:18:59 <Steven> !spelldesc Blood Crow Strike
02:19:00 <diebot> Steven, BLOOD CROW STRIKE evocation ([fire]) cleric/oracle 4 1 round Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yes
02:19:01 <diebot> Your unarmed strikes release blasts of energy in the form of bolts of fire or glowing red crows, which fly instantaneously to strike your target. You can make unarmed strike or flurry of blows attacks against the target as if it were in your threatened area; each successful attack deals damage as if you had hit it with your unarmed strike, except
02:19:01 <diebot> half the damage is fire and half is negative energy (this negative energy does not heal undead). For example, if you are a 14th-level monk, you can use a flurry of blows to attack five times, creating one energy crow for each successful attack against the target, and dealing 2d6 points of damage (plus appropriate unarmed strike modifiers) with each
02:19:01 <diebot> crow.
02:21:21 <Ballig> takes a full round to cast
02:25:09 <fued> so a long range monk? lol
02:25:40 <Ballig> a long range monk that requires 7 levels of oracle to pull off :p
02:26:02 <fued> and would still do more damage up close
02:26:05 <Ballig> well, 7 levels of cleric. probably 8 levels of oracle (not certain of the spell progression, assume it's the same as sorcerer)
02:26:26 <Ballig> using a level 4 spell just to do attacks that you could do if you were within range regularly doesn't seem that great
02:26:35 <Steven> yeah, i dont know how im gonna do it yet
02:26:44 <Steven> but, its a pretty cool spell
02:26:59 <Ballig> I think it's a pretty crap spell! take THAT, crap-spell-lover!
02:26:59 <Ballig> :)
02:27:23 <Steven> its okay, some peoples opinions are wrong... like yours right now.
02:27:32 <Steven> boosh!
02:27:45 <Ballig> your face is wrong!
02:27:51 <Steven> i cannot dispute this.
02:28:11 <Steven> but im probably going to buy a scroll of it for Folnor
02:28:54 <Steven> keep it around till he parties with a high level monk
02:29:40 <Ballig> doesn't look like you can cast it on someone else
02:29:53 <Ballig> ah no, I just checked the proper description
02:29:56 <Ballig> you can cast it on someone else
02:29:57 <Ballig> wait, no
02:30:06 <Ballig> I think when it says "target one creature" it's talking about the damage
02:31:04 * Steven shrugs
02:32:07 <Hydrazine> range medium
02:32:11 <Hydrazine> you can cast it on someone else.
02:32:15 <Hydrazine> the ones you can't are range personal
02:32:15 <Steven> wonder how long the crow shooting lasts? one round probably
02:32:36 <Brunius> it's duration one round
02:32:46 <Brunius> er, instantaneous
02:32:50 <Brunius> huh?
02:33:07 <Hydrazine> wtf?
02:33:08 <Brunius> I'd say it happens immediately on spell finish
02:33:10 <Hydrazine> yeah, this is confusing.
02:33:31 <Ballig> Hydrazine: yeah but "casting it on someone", I think, is doing the damage to them
02:33:38 <Ballig> just like casting acid arrow on someone
02:33:56 <Hydrazine> I thought it was cast like a buff spell at first glance.
02:34:06 <Ballig> yeah I thought that for a second too
02:34:09 <Ballig> it's poorly written
02:34:09 <Hydrazine> but instead it looks like its cast like a damage spell.
02:34:13 <Ballig> yeah
02:34:20 <Hydrazine> And is just worded really awkwardly.
02:34:22 <Ballig> a lot of ultimate magic is poorly written
02:34:25 <Brunius> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/blood-crow-strike
02:34:31 <Ballig> yeah I'm looking at it
02:34:35 <Hydrazine> Because it isn't really clear on how long it lasts, if you can use it on someone else..
02:34:47 <Brunius> I think it is a target to damage
02:34:53 <Brunius> a burn spell, as it were
02:34:57 <Ballig> yeah
02:35:00 <Ballig> like casting acid arrow on someone
02:35:06 <Ballig> not casting acid arrow and giving it to someone else to throw
02:35:24 <Steven> alright a monk with UMD...
02:35:47 <Hydrazine> And the 'if you are a 14th level monk' in the example, on a spell that requires you to be a level 7 cleric/oracle?
02:35:55 <Ballig> haha yeah
02:36:03 <Hydrazine> Its like they're intentionally trying to mislead you.
02:36:05 <Ballig> apparently they are trying to convince people to be cleric/monk
02:36:20 <Hydrazine> Hey, cleric/monk is kinda cool.
02:36:26 <Steven> well they are both wis based class
02:36:39 <Hydrazine> Or would be, if monks weren't so tricky to make effective.
02:37:23 <Ballig> I think a monk with a ~+17 to UMD who doesn't mind spending 700 gold to do their regular attack at range for one round probably deserves to be able to use that spell
02:37:53 <Steven> cheaper then a potion of fly...
02:38:05 <Ballig> shouldn't you be comparing it to a scroll of fly
02:38:11 <Steven> nah
02:38:26 <Steven> the comparision breaks down after one round of combat effectiveness
02:56:18 <Hydrazine> UMD is cha based yes?
02:56:52 <Steven> yup
03:35:22 <fued> im assuming all 3rd party feats arent allowed in pfs?
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07:50:41 <Mekkis> !feat mounted archery
07:50:42 <diebot> Mekkis, MOUNTED ARCHERY [Combat]Prereq: Ride 1 rank, Mounted Combat. You are skilled at making ranged attacks while mounted.
07:50:42 <diebot> Benefit: The penalty you take when using a ranged weapon while mounted is halved: –2 instead of –4 if your mount is taking a double move, and –4 instead of –8 if your mount is running. Source: Core
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08:11:46 <spider21b> he guys
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11:19:45 <Steven> just got done reading Bodhizen's Guide to the Optimal Inquisitor
11:21:00 <Steven> its official Ausk isnt optimized, hes a jack of all trades.
12:15:56 <Brunius> I think optimisation is bad in PFS
12:18:19 <fued> whens the next tier 1-5 game?
12:18:27 <Brunius> Unscheduled
12:18:43 <fued> how often are they ran typically?
12:18:46 <Brunius> There will probably be one next weekend, but don't count on it
12:18:56 <fued> alright cool
12:20:13 <Steven> figure out what you going to do with yourbard>
12:20:58 <fued> im thinkin a more archer based bard
12:21:48 <fued> give me something to do on those turns i cant afford a performance/spell
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12:27:35 <Steven> cool cool, but dont expect to do a lot of damage okay? you wont have the feats to support what rangers/archery fighters can do
12:27:43 <fued> yeah its mostly support
12:27:50 <fued> i just want something for those "off turns"
12:28:30 <Steven> there... just finished cleaning my computer screen
12:28:44 <Steven> its what i get for letting bill eat while anywhere near my computer
12:28:56 <Steven> it was splattered with soda from when he opened his drink
12:37:39 <Steven> anyways....
12:37:42 <Steven> lets get a conversation going
12:37:52 <Steven> or maybe some skirmishes
12:38:21 <fued> woo
12:38:48 <fued> im starting to wonder if those off turns will be filled in by wands and stuff once i get a level or two more on my bard haha
12:39:01 <Steven> they will be
12:39:38 <Steven> the only class/build that consistantly has dead turns are Healbot characters
12:39:44 <fued> yeh
12:39:58 <Hydrazine> Unless you're around Fork and Spork.
12:40:13 <Steven> which is why they usually get a summon spell or spiritual weapon
12:40:14 <Hydrazine> Then you'll either be really busy, or the fight won't even last 2 rounds.
12:40:38 <Steven> i prefer spiritual weapon
12:40:46 <Steven> if you are a cleric
12:41:07 <Steven> because its a standard action and its decently powerful
12:41:15 <Steven> and then later on spiritual ally
12:41:42 <Steven> Folnor used to have them both prepared until we got a ruling that everytime the weapon attacked he would pop out of invisibility
12:41:53 <Steven> or the ally would attack
12:42:01 <Steven> because its an evocation spell not conjuration
12:42:27 <fued> yeh
12:42:39 <Steven> one fight had 3 spiritual weapons and 1 ally up, i out damaged the Barbarian
12:42:39 <fued> which makes me wonder if using a bow would even be worth it if i had a basic wand
12:43:31 <Hydrazine> Arrows are cheaper than wands.
12:43:52 <Steven> and if you pick up rapid shot
12:43:57 <fued> magical bow/arrows are cheaper than wands?
12:43:59 <Steven> you will end up hitting more often
12:44:05 <Steven> yes
12:44:10 <fued> damn
12:44:53 <fued> what about staves?
12:45:05 <Steven> if you get a +1 bow, that will cost you 2375
12:45:26 <fued> ah i see
12:45:35 <Steven> arrows cost 1g/20
12:45:53 <Steven> so for the cost of 4 level 1 wands
12:46:22 <Steven> you could fire 12500 arrows
12:46:52 <fued> does a wand use your caster level?
12:47:01 <Steven> no
12:47:20 <Steven> it uses the minimum level and stat requirements to cast the spell
12:47:34 <Steven> so a level 1 wand functions as a level 1 caster with a casting stat of 11
12:48:21 <fued> ah damn
12:48:35 <Steven> in pathfinder you never really want to buy anything above a level 1 wand because mathmatically its not worth the investment
12:48:58 <Steven> rare cases include wands of lesser restoration
12:49:00 <Brunius> wand of holy sword
12:50:16 <Steven> yeah... i dunno bout a wand of that brunius
12:50:32 <Steven> thats something id just keep a scroll or two of
12:50:39 <Steven> because when are you ever really going to use that?
12:50:40 <fued> can u dual wield wands? lol
12:50:45 <Steven> no
12:50:57 <Steven> activating a wand is a standard action
12:51:10 <Steven> so unless you have something that gives you an extra standard action
12:51:19 <Steven> or a class ability
12:51:30 <Steven> dubs wands is out
12:54:30 <Brunius> www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3RQvEUayzQ
12:59:43 <Steven> meh....
12:59:53 <Steven> i think imma go find some ib proferen
13:04:17 <Steven> i didnt find any
13:06:08 <fued> how much do u usually get for a level 1 session?
13:06:46 <Steven> gold?
13:06:48 <Brunius> 500, I think
13:06:53 <Steven> 500g is the average
13:06:54 <fued> gold/fame etc
13:07:12 <Steven> fame is supposed to be earned at around a 70% rate
13:09:30 <fued> so theres no real point in "saving up" between adventures?
13:10:00 <Steven> depends on if you want stuff
13:10:20 <Steven> my level 12s sit at 20k gold
13:12:32 <fued> so im not going to be able to buy a 1st level wand for at least 4 missions, and probably 6 lol
13:12:49 <Brunius> Do bards cast arcane or divine?
13:13:11 <fued> arcane i think
13:13:34 <Brunius> Check if the spell is on a wizard list
13:13:45 <Brunius> If it is you can get the wand for 750
13:13:58 <fued> but u need more than 4 fame to spend over 500 gold dont u?
13:14:06 <Brunius> There's an exception
13:14:20 <Brunius> You usually get 2 fame per mission
13:14:22 <Steven> +1 weapons and armor is considered always available
13:14:38 <Steven> and i believe level 1 wands are considered always availale as well
13:15:46 <Brunius> It's in the guide, either way
13:17:37 <Steven> All basic armor, gear, items, and weapons from Chapter 6 of the Core Rulebook, including Small and Large-sized items. This does not include equipment made from dragonhide, but it does include equipment made from the other special materials, such as alchemical silver and cold iron (see the Special Materials section on page 154 of the Core Rulebook). All
13:17:51 <Steven> All mundane (completely nonmagical) weapons, armor, equipment, and alchemical gear found in any other source that is legal for play are considered always available.
13:18:05 <Steven> +1 weapons (2,000 gp + 300 for the masterwork weapon cost + item cost)
13:18:13 <Steven> +1 armor (1,000 gp + 150 for the masterwork armor cost + item cost)
13:18:27 <Steven> +1 shields (1,000 gp + 150 for the masterwork armor cost + item cost
13:18:44 <Steven> Potions and oils of 0- or 1st-level spells at caster level 1st (50 gp or less) • Scrolls of 0- or 1st-level spells at caster level 1st (50 gp or less)
13:19:00 <Steven> Wayfinder(50% discount—250 gp; see page 299 of T he Inner Sea World Guide)
13:19:18 <fued> so not wands?
13:19:26 <Steven> so wands not on the list, but you can purchase them with prestige
13:19:52 <Steven> Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted to purchasing additional items from his accumulated Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his fame within his faction. Weapons, armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.
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13:20:36 <fued> so, your not allowed to buy wands unless u find one? lol
13:21:36 <Steven> i draw your attention to the words "by capitalizing on his fame within his faction"
13:21:50 <fued> ahhh
13:21:52 <fued> cool thakns
13:46:33 <Steven> well had a wonderful conversation with my father
13:46:40 <Steven> usually its all lecturing and bullshit
13:46:46 <Steven> this time none of it
13:46:47 <Steven> yay
13:51:53 <fued> gratz
13:52:04 <fued> i just called mine for his birthday, and we reminisced about old PC games lol
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14:20:48 <MekkisScreen> where does it list penalties for shooting from a moving mount?
14:34:16 <Ballig> page 202, Mounted Combat
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14:42:00 <MekkisScreen> what sort of masterwork tool could I use to help me appear Lawful Good through UMD?
14:43:45 <fued> disguise kit? lol
14:46:36 <Ballig> a halo
14:47:42 <Hydrazine> 1 level of paladin
14:50:39 <Ballig> that wont' work unless he's already lawful good :p
14:51:12 <Hydrazine> But it DOES work!
14:53:18 <Bautan> Sorry I'm late. Home game ran over, just got back. Delirium's Tangle happening now?
14:53:34 <fued> your off by 25 hours
14:53:36 <Hydrazine> I thought that was last night.
14:53:59 <Bautan> ah. . .my bad. doubly sorry.
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14:54:49 <Ballig> ha
14:54:53 <Ballig> wonder which one that was
14:55:15 <Ballig> must've been Sarien
14:56:51 <fued> how do "class" skills work
14:57:01 <fued> is it the latest class you got? or a combo of all your classes?
14:57:13 <Ballig> combo of all your classes
14:57:36 <Ballig> if a skill is on any of the lists of class skills for any class you have levels in, it's a class skill and you get a +3 bonus for having at least 1 rank in it
15:00:31 <fued> does it make any difference what order you take classes in? e.g. if i wanted 1 level of oracle for my bard, would i be better starting as an oracle or going bard->oracle->bard?
15:00:47 <Brunius> Do they have different HD?
15:00:53 <fued> nope
15:01:02 <Ballig> the only thing that would be different is the number of hit points you get
15:01:06 <Ballig> because you get full hit points at first level
15:03:44 <Hydrazine> Well, and gameplay for your first level, ofcourse.
15:06:03 <fued> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/harmonic-spell
15:06:11 <fued> !feats harmonic-spell
15:06:18 <fued> would that work with oracle 1st level spells?
15:06:27 <fued> !feat harmonic spell
15:06:32 <fued> i suck at this bot lol
15:06:54 <Ballig> you need to have Bardic performance before you can take the feat
15:07:07 <fued> assuming i have 1 level in oracle and 1 in bard
15:07:30 <Ballig> it doesn't say it has to be a bard spell though
15:07:43 <Hydrazine> I see no rerason why not.
15:09:15 <Hydrazine> Arcane and divine spellcasting?
15:09:34 <fued> yeh, is that allowed?
15:10:04 <Hydrazine> Sure. I just ponder whether or not its really effective.
15:10:14 <Hydrazine> But don't take my thoughts as reason not to try it.
15:10:50 <fued> im trying to have a bard that can keep his performance going every fight lol
15:11:16 <Hydrazine> How many rounds can you reasonably get at level 1?
15:11:32 <fued> i had 8 last time, was nowhere near enough i felt
15:11:41 <fued> i can get upto around 16 with feats and maxing cha
15:11:51 <Hydrazine> 8 sounds like quite a bit to me.
15:12:00 <Hydrazine> Most combats only last 3 rounds or so.
15:12:02 <fued> i used em all up before the final fight lol
15:12:46 <fued> Although, for every level in bard you gain an additional 2, so im not sure if its even going to be an issue once i get level 4ish
15:13:31 <Hydrazine> My last game, the first fight took like 8 rounds.
15:13:40 <Hydrazine> Everything after that, we finished before the whole party got a turn.
15:14:05 <fued> i think ours was like 2/4/3/5
15:14:56 <Hydrazine> I'd say take consideration of how your spellcasting progression looks with a split arcane/divine, compared to sticking to one side.
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15:15:57 <fued> would double my spells until around level 5, at which point it would double all but the level 2 spell
15:17:03 <Hydrazine> Remember that saving throws are based on caster level aswell.
15:17:43 <fued> yeah id use the oracle ones for things like double morale boost, making my performace twice as effective
15:18:50 <Hydrazine> Morale bonuses don't stack.
15:19:11 <fued> the spell says it doubles morale bonuses
15:19:15 <fued> thats all it does
15:19:23 <Hydrazine> huh. Mkay.
15:20:22 <fued> only works on one roll once
15:20:39 <fued> so the person under the influence of my song could have +2 attack and +1 damage, or +1 attack and +2 damage
15:24:11 <Hydrazine> Improves with level too?
15:24:44 <fued> not the spell, the bardic performance does tho
15:33:05 <Hydrazine> pretty good then.
15:44:19 <Ballig> saving throws aren't based on caster level
15:44:27 <Ballig> they're based on spell level and spellcasting stat
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15:50:09 <fued> can you save a feat?
15:50:16 <Steven> alright, im back
15:51:11 <Steven> you cannot select a feat for which you do not meet all the prereqs
15:51:31 <Ballig> you can't not take a feat when you level and then take it later
15:51:42 <fued> ah ok
15:51:45 <fued> damn
15:59:16 <Steven> i should have bought some aleve when i was at the store tonight
15:59:59 <Ballig> how do you pronounce fued
16:00:09 <fued> few d
16:00:16 <fued> same was as feud
16:00:19 <fued> way*
16:00:20 <Ballig> oh
16:00:32 <Ballig> I might start pronouncing it "food"
16:00:36 <fued> yeah people do that
16:00:42 <fued> sometimes i add "one" to the end
16:00:54 <fued> and its few doughn
16:01:00 <fued> lol
16:01:21 <Ballig> I like "food one"
16:01:24 <Ballig> makes you sound like a fatty fat fat
16:01:41 <fued> haha
16:01:50 <fued> go for it
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16:18:29 <Steven> i want to abuse this....
16:18:41 <Steven> !spelldesc Blood Crow Strike
16:18:43 <diebot> Steven, BLOOD CROW STRIKE evocation ([fire]) cleric/oracle 4 1 round Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yes
16:18:43 <diebot> Your unarmed strikes release blasts of energy in the form of bolts of fire or glowing red crows, which fly instantaneously to strike your target. You can make unarmed strike or flurry of blows attacks against the target as if it were in your threatened area; each successful attack deals damage as if you had hit it with your unarmed strike, except
16:18:43 <diebot> half the damage is fire and half is negative energy (this negative energy does not heal undead). For example, if you are a 14th-level monk, you can use a flurry of blows to attack five times, creating one energy crow for each successful attack against the target, and dealing 2d6 points of damage (plus appropriate unarmed strike modifiers) with each
16:18:43 <diebot> crow.
16:21:03 <Ballig> takes a full round to cast
16:24:51 <fued> so a long range monk? lol
16:25:22 <Ballig> a long range monk that requires 7 levels of oracle to pull off :p
16:25:44 <fued> and would still do more damage up close
16:25:47 <Ballig> well, 7 levels of cleric. probably 8 levels of oracle (not certain of the spell progression, assume it's the same as sorcerer)
16:26:08 <Ballig> using a level 4 spell just to do attacks that you could do if you were within range regularly doesn't seem that great
16:26:17 <Steven> yeah, i dont know how im gonna do it yet
16:26:26 <Steven> but, its a pretty cool spell
16:26:41 <Ballig> I think it's a pretty crap spell! take THAT, crap-spell-lover!
16:26:41 <Ballig> :)
16:27:05 <Steven> its okay, some peoples opinions are wrong... like yours right now.
16:27:14 <Steven> boosh!
16:27:27 <Ballig> your face is wrong!
16:27:33 <Steven> i cannot dispute this.
16:27:54 <Steven> but im probably going to buy a scroll of it for Folnor
16:28:36 <Steven> keep it around till he parties with a high level monk
16:29:22 <Ballig> doesn't look like you can cast it on someone else
16:29:35 <Ballig> ah no, I just checked the proper description
16:29:38 <Ballig> you can cast it on someone else
16:29:40 <Ballig> wait, no
16:29:48 <Ballig> I think when it says "target one creature" it's talking about the damage
16:30:46 * Steven shrugs
16:31:49 <Hydrazine> range medium
16:31:53 <Hydrazine> you can cast it on someone else.
16:31:57 <Hydrazine> the ones you can't are range personal
16:31:58 <Steven> wonder how long the crow shooting lasts? one round probably
16:32:18 <Brunius> it's duration one round
16:32:28 <Brunius> er, instantaneous
16:32:32 <Brunius> huh?
16:32:49 <Hydrazine> wtf?
16:32:50 <Brunius> I'd say it happens immediately on spell finish
16:32:52 <Hydrazine> yeah, this is confusing.
16:33:13 <Ballig> Hydrazine: yeah but "casting it on someone", I think, is doing the damage to them
16:33:20 <Ballig> just like casting acid arrow on someone
16:33:38 <Hydrazine> I thought it was cast like a buff spell at first glance.
16:33:48 <Ballig> yeah I thought that for a second too
16:33:51 <Ballig> it's poorly written
16:33:52 <Hydrazine> but instead it looks like its cast like a damage spell.
16:33:55 <Ballig> yeah
16:34:02 <Hydrazine> And is just worded really awkwardly.
16:34:05 <Ballig> a lot of ultimate magic is poorly written
16:34:07 <Brunius> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/blood-crow-strike
16:34:13 <Ballig> yeah I'm looking at it
16:34:17 <Hydrazine> Because it isn't really clear on how long it lasts, if you can use it on someone else..
16:34:29 <Brunius> I think it is a target to damage
16:34:35 <Brunius> a burn spell, as it were
16:34:39 <Ballig> yeah
16:34:42 <Ballig> like casting acid arrow on someone
16:34:48 <Ballig> not casting acid arrow and giving it to someone else to throw
16:35:06 <Steven> alright a monk with UMD...
16:35:29 <Hydrazine> And the 'if you are a 14th level monk' in the example, on a spell that requires you to be a level 7 cleric/oracle?
16:35:37 <Ballig> haha yeah
16:35:46 <Hydrazine> Its like they're intentionally trying to mislead you.
16:35:47 <Ballig> apparently they are trying to convince people to be cleric/monk
16:36:02 <Hydrazine> Hey, cleric/monk is kinda cool.
16:36:08 <Steven> well they are both wis based class
16:36:21 <Hydrazine> Or would be, if monks weren't so tricky to make effective.
16:37:05 <Ballig> I think a monk with a ~+17 to UMD who doesn't mind spending 700 gold to do their regular attack at range for one round probably deserves to be able to use that spell
16:37:35 <Steven> cheaper then a potion of fly...
16:37:47 <Ballig> shouldn't you be comparing it to a scroll of fly
16:37:53 <Steven> nah
16:38:08 <Steven> the comparision breaks down after one round of combat effectiveness
16:56:00 <Hydrazine> UMD is cha based yes?
16:56:34 <Steven> yup
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17:35:04 <fued> im assuming all 3rd party feats arent allowed in pfs?
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19:00:58 <MekkisScreen> fued: not at all
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19:21:02 <fuedR> as a favoured class bonus
19:21:02 <fuedR> +1/2 on Diplomacy checks to gather information
19:21:12 <fuedR> does that add 1/2 a point?
19:22:40 <Brunius> 1/2 your bonus, probably
19:22:45 <Brunius> What's that from?
19:23:40 <Ballig> it's a class bonus, so it would be half a point
19:23:47 <Ballig> but it only counts when it's a full point
19:24:46 <fuedR> ah ok thanks
19:26:06 <fuedR> im thinkin ill make korum a oracle for 1st level, and level into bard for my 2nd levl
19:26:19 <fuedR> then stick with bard
19:27:50 <Ballig> what do you get out of oracle
19:29:28 <fuedR> a few extra spells, some nice mystery bonuses
19:29:56 <Ballig> like what
19:30:19 <fuedR> using charasma for all knowledge checks and initiative
19:30:37 <fuedR> and reflex /ac
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20:12:57 <Brunius> Wow, Wayland games is 45% off today
20:14:02 <Brunius> Ah, only some stuff. That makes more sense
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20:48:57 <Brunius> Night folks
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22:54:48 <Brunius> www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3RQvEUayzQ
23:00:01 <Steven> meh....
23:00:11 <Steven> i think imma go find some ib proferen
23:04:35 <Steven> i didnt find any
23:06:26 <fued> how much do u usually get for a level 1 session?
23:07:04 <Steven> gold?
23:07:06 <Brunius> 500, I think
23:07:11 <Steven> 500g is the average
23:07:12 <fued> gold/fame etc
23:07:30 <Steven> fame is supposed to be earned at around a 70% rate
23:09:48 <fued> so theres no real point in "saving up" between adventures?
23:10:18 <Steven> depends on if you want stuff
23:10:38 <Steven> my level 12s sit at 20k gold
23:12:50 <fued> so im not going to be able to buy a 1st level wand for at least 4 missions, and probably 6 lol
23:13:06 <Brunius> Do bards cast arcane or divine?
23:13:29 <fued> arcane i think
23:13:52 <Brunius> Check if the spell is on a wizard list
23:14:03 <Brunius> If it is you can get the wand for 750
23:14:16 <fued> but u need more than 4 fame to spend over 500 gold dont u?
23:14:24 <Brunius> There's an exception
23:14:38 <Brunius> You usually get 2 fame per mission
23:14:40 <Steven> +1 weapons and armor is considered always available
23:14:56 <Steven> and i believe level 1 wands are considered always availale as well
23:16:04 <Brunius> It's in the guide, either way
23:17:55 <Steven> All basic armor, gear, items, and weapons from Chapter 6 of the Core Rulebook, including Small and Large-sized items. This does not include equipment made from dragonhide, but it does include equipment made from the other special materials, such as alchemical silver and cold iron (see the Special Materials section on page 154 of the Core Rulebook). All
23:18:09 <Steven> All mundane (completely nonmagical) weapons, armor, equipment, and alchemical gear found in any other source that is legal for play are considered always available.
23:18:23 <Steven> +1 weapons (2,000 gp + 300 for the masterwork weapon cost + item cost)
23:18:31 <Steven> +1 armor (1,000 gp + 150 for the masterwork armor cost + item cost)
23:18:45 <Steven> +1 shields (1,000 gp + 150 for the masterwork armor cost + item cost
23:19:02 <Steven> Potions and oils of 0- or 1st-level spells at caster level 1st (50 gp or less) • Scrolls of 0- or 1st-level spells at caster level 1st (50 gp or less)
23:19:18 <Steven> Wayfinder(50% discount—250 gp; see page 299 of T he Inner Sea World Guide)
23:19:36 <fued> so not wands?
23:19:44 <Steven> so wands not on the list, but you can purchase them with prestige
23:20:10 <Steven> Beyond the gear noted above, your character is restricted to purchasing additional items from his accumulated Chronicle sheets, or by capitalizing on his fame within his faction. Weapons, armor, equipment, magic items and so on that are outside of these lists are not available for purchase at any time.
23:20:54 <fued> so, your not allowed to buy wands unless u find one? lol
23:21:54 <Steven> i draw your attention to the words "by capitalizing on his fame within his faction"
23:22:08 <fued> ahhh
23:22:10 <fued> cool thakns
23:46:51 <Steven> well had a wonderful conversation with my father
23:46:58 <Steven> usually its all lecturing and bullshit
23:47:04 <Steven> this time none of it
23:47:05 <Steven> yay
23:52:11 <fued> gratz
23:52:22 <fued> i just called mine for his birthday, and we reminisced about old PC games lol
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