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02:15:14 Min-O-Taur ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
02:22:39 <kapow> thats in addition to two weapon fighting penalties
02:23:40 <kapow> but with the 2 weapon fighting feat so -6/-4
02:23:49 <kapow> -8/-6
02:24:01 <kapow> yeah makes it pretty much not worth it
02:25:34 <Steven> just grab a large sized falchion....
02:26:30 <Steven> one of the best weapons in the game.
02:29:16 <kapow> I've always had a love for the Greatsword ^_^
02:29:18 <kapow> it's my baby
02:29:48 <Steven> falchions>greatsword in my book
02:30:44 <Avatar> I would have loved either of those weapons except that mekkis has spoiled me in thinking that reach weapons are a near-must
02:31:13 <Steven> reach weapons are nice if you build around them
02:31:38 <kapow> see i would argue that a large greatsword is a reach weapon
02:31:47 <kapow> the weapon is 5 ft long as a medium weapon
02:32:32 <Steven> that line of logic doesnt stand kapow
02:33:03 <MekkisScreen> then I'll make a pikeman
02:33:09 <MekkisScreen> with 25' reach
02:33:25 <Steven> stop them cavaliers!
02:33:35 <Avatar> a longsword isn't 5ft long man
02:34:09 <kapow> no a greatsword is
02:34:35 <Steven> I could make a 10ft long blade, and swing it around but that doesnt make it combat effective
02:34:39 <kapow> a longswords is 3-3,1/2
02:34:46 <Steven> and thats how you have to view using a weapon in pfs
02:36:08 <kapow> see the other question i have is
02:36:18 <kapow> if i'm medium wielding a large weapon and I get enlarged
02:36:30 <kapow> does the weapon grow to a huge weapon when i become large
02:36:58 <Steven> the weapon grows in relation to your body... it gets a size increase
02:37:18 <kapow> and a falchion would be 2d6 18-20/x2 vs 3d6 19-20/x2
02:37:37 <kapow> so 2d6 15-20 & 3d6 17-20
02:37:45 <Steven> yeah the extra 1 range is huge once you get it keened
02:38:55 <Steven> 25% crit is always better then 15%...
02:39:49 <Steven> every single day of the week....
02:40:36 <kapow> you know i'm not so much interested in the crit as i am Falchion is shorter than Greatsword by a fraction so it takes up less space
02:41:07 <Steven> right... and this is important how?
02:41:17 <Steven> crit range is where you will end up getting more damage out of.
02:41:44 <Steven> if we talkin boot making the deeps...
02:41:49 <kapow> it's just easier to fit on a sheet
02:41:53 <kapow> cause it's shorter ^_^
02:42:01 <Steven> are you drawing pictures?
02:42:52 <kapow> no but I like my things to look nice
02:42:59 <Steven> my character salvanar has a full page of him just rockin some mountain plate armor and his Fauchard
02:44:01 <Steven> its pretty cool lookin
02:44:23 <Steven> i want pizza....
02:44:29 <Steven> so bad right now....
02:46:36 <Avatar> I just found a chronicle sheet that awards me a free vanity !
02:46:42 <Avatar> I don't remember getting it
02:46:45 <Avatar> that was a nice surprise
02:46:50 <kapow> now the next thing is Power Attacking with the Furious Focus feat under the effects of haste
02:46:58 <kapow> do you take the negative on the hasted attack or not
02:47:11 <kapow> Because it is at your First attacks modifier
02:47:31 <kapow> and the furious focus lets you ignore the -2 for power attacking on your first attack
02:47:41 <kapow> i guess so
02:50:40 <Avatar> what's a good vanity that costs 5 prestige
02:54:11 <kapow> whats a vanity?
02:55:44 <MekkisScreen> caravan
02:56:03 <MekkisScreen> I had a bunch of them
02:56:32 <kapow> !roll 1d20+15
02:56:32 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+15: [1d20=8] 23
02:56:35 <kapow> !roll 1d20+13
02:56:35 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+13: [1d20=19] 32
02:56:38 <kapow> !roll 1d20+8
02:56:38 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+8: [1d20=13] 21
02:56:42 <kapow> !roll 1d20+13
02:56:42 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+13: [1d20=4] 17
02:56:52 <MekkisScreen> !throw 1d20
02:56:52 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1d20: [1d20=6] 6
02:57:03 <MekkisScreen> !throw 1d20
02:57:03 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1d20: [1d20=19] 19
02:57:57 <kapow> I didn't hit shit :(
02:58:00 <kapow> 1 threat no confirm
02:58:31 <kapow> !roll 2d4+13+1+6
02:58:32 <dicebot> kapow, 2d4+13+1+6: [2d4=2,4] 26
02:59:27 <kapow> thats pretty pathetic
03:00:24 <kapow> !roll 1d20+17
03:00:24 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+17: [1d20=8] 25
03:00:27 <kapow> !roll 1d20+15
03:00:28 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+15: [1d20=7] 22
03:00:31 <kapow> !roll 1d20+10
03:00:32 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+10: [1d20=9] 19
03:00:40 <Steven> alright back
03:00:41 <kapow> wow even that was abyssmal :/
03:00:58 <kapow> !roll 2d4+13+1+6+2
03:00:58 <dicebot> kapow, 2d4+13+1+6+2: [2d4=2,1] 25
03:01:06 <kapow> stupid low rolling dice
03:01:15 <Steven> use throw
03:01:17 <Steven> lol
03:01:28 <kapow> !throw 1d20+17
03:01:28 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+17: [1d20=19] 36
03:01:31 <kapow> !throw 1d20+15
03:01:31 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+15: [1d20=3] 18
03:01:34 <kapow> !throw 1d20+10
03:01:35 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+10: [1d20=1] 11
03:01:41 <kapow> !throw 1d20+17
03:01:42 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+17: [1d20=17] 34
03:01:55 <kapow> !throw 4d4+26+2+16+4
03:01:55 <diebot> kapow, 4d4+26+2+16+4: [4d4=4,3,1,3] 59
03:02:15 <kapow> not horrible
03:02:38 <kapow> but thats from the maximum stat block for a crit
03:02:42 <Avatar> kapow hook me up with a chronicle sheet
03:03:07 <Avatar> and take this one if it didn't work
03:03:10 <kapow> i got it already
03:03:32 <Steven> i need to get a suli character boon
03:04:14 <Avatar> steven you know about vanities don't you
03:04:18 <Avatar> you seem vain
03:04:26 <Steven> thank you avatar...
03:04:28 <Steven> you
03:04:29 <Steven> are
03:04:30 <Avatar> :P
03:04:31 <Steven> a
03:04:32 <Steven> dick
03:04:40 <Avatar> kapow: a vanity lets your character get some free bonus
03:04:51 <Steven> anyways... whats up
03:04:57 <Avatar> there's one that lets you use heal as a day job, and you can get a free cure moderate wounds from the temple once/scenario
03:05:59 <Avatar> there's one my archaeologist could take to let him use appraise as his day job, for 5 prestige
03:06:05 <Avatar> but I can't fathom trying to max out my appraise
03:06:12 <Avatar> even if he is an archaeologist
03:06:18 <Steven> k...
03:06:24 <Steven> is there a question in here someplace?
03:06:25 <kapow> anything for alchemy?
03:06:33 <kapow> henry only has +24
03:06:39 <kapow> i need to get to 30
03:06:43 <Avatar> don't know, gotta find one
03:06:51 <Avatar> pathfinder field guide is good for them
03:06:54 <Avatar> not sure where else to look
03:07:44 <MekkisScreen> they're all in the guide
03:07:55 <MekkisScreen> get the lodge of restful pathfinders
03:07:57 <Steven> thats it
03:08:04 <Steven> that i know of
03:08:10 <Steven> they should put out a few more
03:10:24 <Avatar> where is lodge of restful
03:10:32 <Steven> in the field guide.
03:10:40 <Steven> under memberships
03:14:00 <Avatar> that sounds like the dumbest vanity on the planet
03:14:10 <Avatar> that is worse than getting a ring of sustenance
03:14:20 <Steven> usually
03:15:51 <Avatar> kapow you might like artisian's shop
03:16:05 <Avatar> +1 on day job with craft and 5% discount on nonmagical merchandise in that city
03:16:23 <Avatar> costs 5 prestige
03:17:02 <Steven> my cloistered cleric has a scriveners shop
03:17:42 <Tashes> cloister always sounds like a dirty word
03:17:58 <MekkisScreen> We should observe our history. On 12 Jan 1982, the newsgroup net.games.frp was created. This was the first online D&D presence. The introductory post was by utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!mhtsa!harpo!whuxlb!npl.
03:18:10 <Avatar> dayfinder for 10 prestige sounds sexy
03:18:15 <Steven> so does coitus
03:18:22 <Avatar> daylight 1/day
03:18:27 <Tashes> flange
03:18:44 <Avatar> behave tashes
03:18:53 <Steven> hahahah you got in trouble first!
03:18:54 <Tashes> Gimble.
03:19:05 <Tashes> rofl steven
03:19:08 <Steven> and im the one that said coitus...
03:19:12 <Tashes> D:
03:19:21 <kapow> hahahaha
03:19:22 <Avatar> tashes you'd just better watch yourself
03:19:25 <kapow> oh sheldon
03:19:44 <Steven> sheldon... i think imma go watch some big bang theory
03:19:47 <Tashes> Or what, Avatar?
03:19:53 <Steven> thanks for reminding me kapow
03:19:55 <Tashes> You'll bring out the.. the.. the... WIDGET?
03:19:57 <Avatar> or else !
03:20:08 <N2H4> ennui.
03:20:09 <MekkisScreen> or Avatar will go really nationally socialist on you!
03:20:15 <Tashes> all these words, by the way, make my mother blush
03:20:27 <Steven> my shop is called:Hodgewyn's Contracts Correspondence & Calligraphy
03:20:28 <Tashes> Nooo! Not the dongle!!
03:20:28 <Avatar> somehow I have almost every skill as a class skill so none of them stand out for a day job
03:20:32 <Avatar> ...or all of them do!
03:20:43 <Avatar> and appraise isn't one of them
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03:21:17 <Avatar> oh wait yes it is, it's just not listed on my sheet because nobody ever uses it
03:21:30 <Steven> i think qadira has a day job thing
03:21:35 <Steven> as a faction vanity
03:21:45 <Avatar> yeah, that's the appraise one
03:22:02 <Avatar> appraise is potentially more useful than profession or perform, when you think about it
03:22:37 <MekkisScreen> Grolschmir uses Perform (aerial bombardment) a lot!
03:23:24 <Avatar> I'm talking practical purpose
03:23:40 <Avatar> oh holy shit
03:23:46 <Avatar> qadira has a day job reroll for 5 prestige
03:23:50 <Avatar> if you roll lower than 10 on the dice
03:24:19 <Avatar> wait, "you may reroll any result of 10 or less."
03:24:24 <Avatar> does that mean on the dice, or the end result?
03:24:53 <Tashes> SPORKANDFORKONSATURDAY!
03:24:56 * Tashes dances
03:26:05 <kapow> !roll 1d20+12
03:26:06 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+12: [1d20=5] 17
03:26:08 <kapow> !roll 1d20+12
03:26:09 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+12: [1d20=16] 28
03:26:11 <Steven> goin afk for a minute
03:26:34 <kapow> !roll 3d6+4+10
03:26:34 <dicebot> kapow, 3d6+4+10: [3d6=4,4,3] 25
03:33:12 * kapow face palms
03:33:32 * kapow cries woefully
03:34:43 <Steven> i know....
03:34:47 <Steven> its okay though... im back now
03:38:09 <Tashes> or are you crying for Fork and Spok?
03:41:05 <kapow> fork n spork are a horrible headache
03:43:01 <Steven> no way... they rock
03:43:43 <Avatar> thanks kapow
03:46:49 <Steven> wish i would get tired....
03:53:09 <Steven> stupid nap ruined everything
03:53:25 <kapow> mort still hasn't reported a game from back in september for me :/
03:54:30 <kapow> frustrating
03:54:43 <kapow> trying to allocate my dm sessions and now knowing which is what level
04:18:59 <kapow> using a 2h in 2hands applies how much str to damage
04:18:59 <kapow> my brain is scrambled
04:18:59 <kapow> 1 1/2 or 2x
04:22:31 <kapow> need you to bounce me again
04:22:49 <kapow> if your not around i'll be on later going out for some dinner
04:23:07 <MekkisScreen> do you remember to roll saves for Batty when snickers is hit by AOEs?
04:23:42 <MekkisScreen> kapow, you live far north, right?
04:24:04 <Avatar> no, if they're in a backpack, I consider them safe
04:24:08 <Avatar> I roll them if they're let out
04:24:08 <kapow> I live petrie
04:24:11 <kapow> so fairly far north
04:24:11 <kapow> why?
04:24:17 <Avatar> why what
04:24:30 <MekkisScreen> I'm judging some events at Lawnton next weekend
04:24:41 <Avatar> oh, live in petrie
04:24:52 <kapow> why was aimed at mekkis
04:24:53 <Ballig> 1 1/2
04:24:54 <MekkisScreen> where does it say that familiars in backpacks are safe?
04:25:00 <Avatar> yeah if a GM tells me my familiar has to make a save when it's stored away, I don't play with that GM again
04:25:08 <MekkisScreen> I thought that that was why they had evasion
04:25:19 <Avatar> not everything is written down mekkis
04:25:35 <Avatar> evasion is useful for when it comes out
04:25:41 <kapow> awesome mekk you'll get to experience how long of a drive i have to the south side but in reverse :D
04:25:47 <kapow> how late are they running mekk?
04:25:57 <MekkisScreen> I've done it before, kapow
04:26:07 <MekkisScreen> starts at 2pm
04:26:14 <MekkisScreen> sealed then top 8 draft
04:26:15 <kapow> and what even is it?
04:26:30 <MekkisScreen> GPT auckland, I think
04:27:02 <kapow> rounded down
04:27:06 <kapow> god damn song of the sea witch had some nice loot at higher tier
04:27:11 <kapow> so anyone can come?
04:27:13 <MekkisScreen> heh
04:27:16 <Avatar> a lot of stuff would break in your pack if you played it hardcore realistic
04:27:18 <MekkisScreen> sure
04:27:32 <Avatar> back later
04:27:33 <kapow> and which day saturday or sunday?
04:27:44 <kapow> avatar
04:27:47 <MekkisScreen> Sunday
04:27:55 <kapow> you need to change the time for next saturdays to the proper time
04:27:59 <kapow> 10pm +11
04:28:06 <kapow> 10am*
04:28:14 <MekkisScreen> I'm thinking about rolling a witch, so I'll start by asking the forums
04:28:48 <kapow> I might come play mekk if anyone can come
04:29:20 <kapow> friday over south then game sat and it sunday sounds like a nice weekend
04:30:57 <kapow> someone who played today needs to learn the opposite language as me
04:30:58 <kapow> so we can then trade ^_^
04:31:03 <kapow> anyway be back later fooding time
05:04:14 <Avatar> ballig
05:14:29 <Avatar> not those words
05:14:32 <Avatar> that was the gist
05:14:48 <Ballig> I told you that there are probably other ways to get it and you would be better off using that feat on one of the other three awesome feat ideas you had already come up with
05:14:54 <Ballig> which, I'm sure, you've already forgotten about
05:14:54 <Avatar> I think one of them might have been around extra grit
05:14:59 <Steven> night guys, see ya!
05:15:15 <Avatar> which sort of finally came in useful, but maybe not
05:15:26 <Avatar> because you get grit back if you crit or kill somone, which I forgot about
05:15:33 <Avatar> and I did a fair amount of killing and a lot of critting
05:15:57 <Avatar> a lot of critting thanks to my Improved Critical feat
05:16:25 <Avatar> at one point we thought the holy damage got x4'd as well, and I had a lot, lot of dice in my hands
05:16:31 <Avatar> waiting to be rolled for damage
05:16:38 <Avatar> 8 dice for the holy alone
05:16:52 <Avatar> but alas, only 6 in the end
05:17:07 <Ballig> I think it's interesting that Keen Edge the spell can be cast on ranged weapons but not Keen the weapon effect
05:20:31 <Avatar> I read something somewhere about how appraise can be useful but I don't know where it is or what it said
05:26:51 <Brunius> In PFS, not really.
05:27:02 <Brunius> If you're going for a faction mission maybe
05:27:22 <Avatar> it was something to do with interpretation
05:27:31 <Avatar> useful in PFS
05:27:45 <Avatar> I didn't take a lot of notice because I still didn't think I would take appraise because of it
05:27:54 <Ballig> I'm sure you misinterpreted it
05:27:56 <Ballig> like most things !
05:28:32 <Avatar> no there were 3 things you recommended that I went against that did me good
05:29:02 <Brunius> Ultimately this is a game of chance, Avatar
05:29:11 <Avatar> it is more than that brunius
05:29:14 <Avatar> it is a game of creativity
05:29:26 <Avatar> back the odds
05:29:42 <Brunius> I don't know anything about what Ballig was suggesting, but he might have been looking at the statistics and going "X is worse than Y 90% of the time"
05:29:50 <Brunius> That doesn't mean X is always worse than Y
05:30:12 <Avatar> yeah all I know is I rolled 4 19's and 0 20's
05:30:13 <Ballig> there weren't 3 things
05:30:18 <Ballig> you didn't have three things available to you at the time
05:30:19 <Avatar> where those crits were x4 each
05:30:27 <Avatar> that's x16 damage thanks to improved crit
05:30:31 <Avatar> on a +1 holy musket
05:30:51 <Ballig> there was one thing, and I didn't say you shouldn't get it
05:30:58 <Ballig> I said you should look at the option of getting it in a way that doesn't use a feat
05:31:00 <Avatar> no there were three
05:31:01 <Brunius> You should multiclass into myrimidarch magus and go shocking grasp at range
05:31:02 <Ballig> because you could use that feat for something else
05:31:05 <Ballig> there weren't three man
05:31:05 <Avatar> I don't remember the other two
05:31:07 <Ballig> you can't even tell me what they were
05:31:14 <Ballig> there were three FEATS you wanted
05:31:18 <Ballig> and improved critical was one
05:31:19 <Avatar> are you suggesting I remember everything and therefore there couldn't have been two more
05:31:27 <Ballig> and I said one of the other two would be better for you if you found another way to get improved critical
05:31:43 <Avatar> no I don't mean three options including improved crit
05:31:51 <Avatar> one was taking improved crit or taking something else
05:31:57 <Ballig> no
05:31:59 <Avatar> the other two were other things completely
05:32:02 <Ballig> the only other thing was you had ALREADY chosen holy
05:32:04 <Avatar> not relating to crits
05:32:17 <Avatar> I'm not talking about that
05:32:17 <Ballig> and I said that you could get +2 to your weapon for the same cost
05:32:21 <Ballig> which would probably even out to better damage
05:32:26 <Ballig> man, I remember this conversation and you don't
05:32:31 <Ballig> so stop telling me that there was this magic other two things
05:32:32 <Avatar> alright let's find the log
05:32:33 <Ballig> that you can't even remember
05:32:34 <Ballig> I'm TELLING YOU
05:32:35 <Ballig> there weren't
05:32:41 <Avatar> you don't understand what I'm talking about when I say two other things
05:32:50 <Ballig> I understand that they don't exist
05:33:07 <Ballig> one was a feat selection and the other was holy that you had already purchased
05:33:09 <Ballig> before you even brought it up
05:33:15 <Avatar> that's not what I'm talking about man
05:33:16 <Ballig> because you purchased it at the convention and we were discussing it after the convention
05:33:42 <Ballig> what "three things" do you think you could even be choosing
05:33:48 <Ballig> give me an example of three things you could be choosing all at once
05:33:51 <Ballig> just categories of things
05:34:10 <Avatar> I don't remember
05:34:16 <Ballig> no, don't tell me the three things
05:34:17 <Avatar> I think one was to do with extra grit
05:34:23 <Ballig> just give me three categories of things it could possibly have been
05:34:28 <Ballig> you took extra grit at level 1 man
05:34:32 <Avatar> I don't know, abilities?
05:34:39 <Avatar> doesn't matter when it was
05:34:42 <Ballig> are you saying that these three things happened at separate times of your character?
05:34:46 <Avatar> yeah
05:34:49 <Ballig> because you made your character at a convention
05:34:57 <Ballig> and never discussed it until afterwards
05:34:59 <Avatar> I didn't make my gunslinger at a con
05:35:02 <Ballig> so I wasn't involved in your decision to take extra grit
05:35:12 <Ballig> if it wasn't at a con, it definitely wasn't with my input
05:35:14 <Avatar> I was raving about gunslinger in here when it came out
05:35:17 <Ballig> I remember you doing it at a con or at the gaming store
05:35:32 <Avatar> I don't make characters anywhere but at home
05:35:37 <Avatar> paper sux
05:35:50 <Ballig> it absolutely was without my input
05:35:55 <Ballig> I remember you discussing extra grit with me AFTER
05:36:01 <Ballig> and you told me how bad the decision was
05:36:02 <Brunius> Was it while you were moving?
05:36:09 <Ballig> and how you could have had all these better things if you hadn't taken it
05:36:15 <Avatar> don't know, maybe it wasn't extra grit
05:36:25 <Avatar> I remember there were 3 things
05:36:43 <Ballig> I have discussed three things with you about your gunslinger: extra grit, improved critical, holy
05:36:50 <Ballig> extra grit and holy were done without my input, we discussed them afterwards
05:36:58 <Ballig> and improved critical I reiterate I NEVER said you shouldn't get
05:37:04 <Ballig> only that you should look at options of getting it without using a feat
05:37:07 <Avatar> I don't think it was holy, that is a no brainer
05:37:37 <Ballig> if you're so certain that these three things have been so awesome, why can you not remember more than improved critical?
05:38:19 <Avatar> because of my great memory
05:38:32 <Ballig> and if you can't remember them, why are you so certain they exist?
05:38:43 <Avatar> I absolutely remember there were 3 things
05:38:46 <Avatar> I was counting
05:38:53 <Avatar> I made a point to tristen about it
05:39:04 <Ballig> if you remember them as well as you remember improved critical, then it doesn't surprise me that you were counting something quite random
05:39:09 <Ballig> because, again, I never told you not to get improved critical
05:39:25 <Avatar> dig up the log it is all there
05:39:46 <Ballig> "the log" you just told me that these three t hings happened over the entire course of your gunslinger's career
05:39:52 <Ballig> your gunslinger has been around for like 18 months
05:39:54 <Avatar> I don't think it would have been with snickers
05:40:15 <Avatar> the log is re improved critical only
05:40:25 <Avatar> I remember that we had words about it
05:41:46 <Avatar> zzzz
05:43:46 <Ballig> [5:11:46 PM] <Ballig> yeah not worth a feat
05:44:42 <Avatar> what date is it
05:44:56 <Brunius> 15th
05:45:02 <Avatar> quiet you
05:45:08 <Ballig> 20120326
05:45:15 <Ballig> did you end up getting the humanoid (human) bane weapon?
05:45:19 <Ballig> because that was the other thing I told you wasn't worth it
05:45:30 <Ballig> keep in mind in that discussion we discussed a LOT of feats you could get
05:45:40 <Ballig> just because you've made decent use of improved critical doesn't mean you wouldn't have made better use of other feats
05:45:42 <Avatar> no, tristen got a bane bow
05:45:54 <Avatar> his bow kicks ass too
05:45:58 <Avatar> it has a reputation
05:46:10 <Ballig> the bane would be okay without the holy
05:46:18 <Ballig> instead of, I mean
05:46:24 <Ballig> but you already had holy
05:46:25 <Brunius> Ballig, is reddit loading slow?
05:46:40 <Ballig> I don't know, it takes me 2 days to read through the front page
05:46:58 <Ballig> loading a comments page just now is taking longer than usual
05:47:02 <Ballig> took maybe 15 seconds
05:47:32 <Avatar> [18:15] <Avatar> enhance your lance
05:47:32 <Avatar> [18:15] <Avatar> i'm a poet and I don't even know it
05:47:48 <Ballig> is that the seecond thing
05:48:01 <Avatar> no that is a 4th thing
05:50:26 <Avatar> yeah there wasn't much
05:50:29 <Avatar> not worth a feat
05:50:37 <Avatar> but what is the alternative, keen edge
05:51:10 <Ballig> where you take it from there is up to you
05:51:15 <Ballig> you haven't actually proven that it's worth a feat
05:51:19 <Avatar> that is a level 3 spell
05:51:27 <Ballig> read through all the other feats we were discussing that day
05:51:30 <Avatar> there is no other way I can get those kinds of criticals
05:51:44 <Avatar> none of the other feats we discussed will do x16
05:51:54 <Ballig> improved critical doesn't change the multiplier
05:52:00 <Ballig> it's just a +5% chance of happening
05:52:03 <Avatar> that feat paid its price in gold for the rest of my career in two scenarios
05:52:12 <Ballig> I disagree
05:52:13 <Avatar> the multiplier is x4 though
05:52:19 <Avatar> on a d12 weapon
05:52:21 <Ballig> it would have been x4 regardless
05:52:29 <Avatar> it would have been x1
05:52:33 <Avatar> since I rolled 0 20's
05:52:36 <Ballig> no, it's always been x4
05:52:47 <Avatar> 0 20's = regular hits, x1
05:52:51 <Ballig> we all know you have a terrible reputation with odds man
05:52:53 <Ballig> so don't even try to argue it
05:52:58 <Avatar> I rolled 4 19s
05:53:02 <Ballig> don't even try to argue it
05:53:04 <Avatar> how is that a terrible rep
05:53:06 <Ballig> don't even try
05:53:10 <Avatar> how is that terrible
05:53:13 <Ballig> don't even
05:53:13 <Avatar> roll the dice
05:53:14 <Ballig> don't
05:53:23 <Avatar> roll
05:53:25 <Ballig> d
05:53:36 <Avatar> r
05:53:39 <Ballig>
05:53:54 <Avatar> ™
05:57:27 <Tashes> !roll
05:57:31 <Tashes> can't.
05:57:37 <Tashes> phail.
05:58:05 <Ballig> !roll 20#1d20
05:58:08 <dicebot> Ballig, 1d20: [1d20=8] 8, [1d20=16] 16, [1d20=14] 14, [1d20=17] 17, [1d20=17] 17, [1d20=18] 18, [1d20=15] 15, [1d20=12] 12, [1d20=5] 5, [1d20=18] 18, [1d20=4] 4, [1d20=5] 5, [1d20=19] 19, [1d20=19] 19, [1d20=2] 2, [1d20=6] 6, [1d20=17] 17, [1d20=18] 18, [1d20=8] 8, [1d20=17] 17
06:34:39 <Brunius> Two 8s
06:34:41 <Brunius> Two 17s
06:34:45 <Brunius> Two 19s
06:34:51 <Brunius> Three 18s
06:43:02 <Brunius> Three 17s, actuall
06:43:03 <Brunius> y
06:43:09 <Brunius> two 5s
06:54:44 <kapow> not long now and i get my first gm star
06:54:44 <kapow> yeah!
06:54:45 <kapow> :D
06:54:59 <Ballig> I expect you to actually cut out a cardboard star
06:55:04 <Ballig> and wear it every time you GM
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07:17:47 <kapow> mek this is probably a question for you, you seem to have a few archers
07:18:01 <Mekkis> sure....
07:18:08 <kapow> the arcane archer's arrow enhancements for holy burst etc
07:18:22 <Mekkis> yeah...
07:18:26 <kapow> if another enchantment is on the bow does it stack?
07:18:39 <kapow> ie does both say shocking and corrosive
07:18:43 <Mekkis> (hint: if you're thinking about playing an arcane archer in PFS, don't)
07:18:45 <Mekkis> sure
07:18:47 <Mekkis> that would work
07:19:08 <Mekkis> (in Slumbering Tsar or some adventure path, go for it!)
07:19:19 <Mekkis> Arcane Archers start being good at around 11th level
07:19:30 <kapow> it's for our tsar game
07:19:32 <kapow> my backup character
07:19:39 <Mekkis> sure thing
07:19:54 <kapow> i take it the same applies with the 9th level allignment?
07:20:13 <Mekkis> ranger 2 / fighter 4 / paladin 1 / wizard 1 / arcane archer?
07:21:11 <kapow> alchemist 9 / Wizard 1 / Arcane Archer
07:21:36 <Mekkis> why>!
07:21:38 <Mekkis> >!
07:21:42 <kapow> or Alchemist 8 / Wizard 1 / Arcane Archer then + whatever
07:21:53 <kapow> because I ike being different ^_^
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07:23:21 <kapow> unload with bow if you can, if you can't shoot and run using the alchemist discovery to boost damage :P
07:23:48 <Mekkis> hmmm
07:24:19 <kapow> you have access to 4th lvl wizard spells by the end for creating your own items
07:24:43 <kapow> and playing a tiefling going favoured class alchemist racial
07:24:45 <Mekkis> the problem is, Arcane Archer sucks at low levels
07:24:54 <Avatar> does that look right
07:24:57 <kapow> to get +1 bomb damage / 2 lvls of alchemist
07:25:01 <kapow> fantastic
07:25:29 <Avatar> ?
07:25:33 <Mekkis> no
07:25:38 <Mekkis> perhaps
07:25:47 <Avatar> kapow
07:25:51 <Mekkis> why do you change the timezone to AEDT. It just confuses everyone
07:25:51 <kapow> at 8th level if you only get to fire 1 shot
07:26:00 <Avatar> it confuses you qld'ers
07:26:31 <kapow> thats 1d6+4d6+4+5+3
07:26:40 <Avatar> kapow do you want me to fix this
07:26:42 <kapow> without any weapon enchants point blank shot anything like that
07:26:48 <kapow> fix what?
07:26:49 <Mekkis> so what?
07:26:52 <Mekkis> 5d6+12
07:26:54 <Avatar> is the time right
07:26:57 <Avatar> at 10am on saturday
07:27:10 <kapow> i said fantastic
07:27:14 <kapow> was aimed at you
07:27:14 <kapow> :P
07:27:20 <Avatar> ah
07:27:22 <Mekkis> approx 29.5 damage
07:27:31 <Mekkis> that's pretty pitiful really
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07:27:49 <kapow> if forced to single shot
07:27:58 <Mekkis> and on a full-round?
07:28:41 <Avatar> 29 damage is pitiful?
07:28:52 <kapow> at 8th level avatar
07:28:56 <Mekkis> at eighth level, for a class that's trying to do damage, yes
07:29:07 <Avatar> at 8th level mobs have about 100hp odd
07:29:13 <Avatar> so how much do you want to do on your own
07:29:17 <Mekkis> so that's 4 rounds
07:29:25 <Avatar> 4 rounds for 1 person
07:29:30 <Avatar> you're not a 1 man army, you're a party
07:29:46 <Mekkis> agreed
07:29:55 <kapow> a party of like 8 possibley + XP so we're vsing much higher things though
07:30:19 <Mekkis> you're not a 1 man army, you're the gun on the tank. The others are the mechanic, the armour, the spotter and the machine-gunner
07:30:27 <kapow> alot of what we've fought we've done 140 damage per thing in combat or up near 250 damage with stupid dr's involved
07:31:04 <Mekkis> Avatar, this campaign sort of requires very high power levels
07:31:19 <Avatar> you of all people should know that's not how it works
07:31:25 <Avatar> mr be useful in combat or be useless
07:31:30 <Mekkis> this isn't PFS, Avatar
07:31:49 <kapow> 2 shots 1 being a many shot
07:31:52 <Avatar> if this isn't PFS, we're talking apples and oranges
07:31:58 <kapow> 1d6+3 on each before anything at all
07:32:28 <kapow> thats no feats no wep enchants or that
07:32:38 <kapow> so with the plain composite bow
07:32:42 <Avatar> someone in the forums just had a great idea that I am going to copy
07:32:49 <Avatar> I will create a summoner who has an eidolon with a gun
07:33:06 <kapow> change them all to 1d8's XP
07:33:18 <Mekkis> my character uses a shortbow
07:33:20 <kapow> i am use to talking about bows from a small characters perspective
07:33:50 <kapow> i'm meaningto use a longbow
07:34:01 <kapow> just a longbow for a small creature is 1d6
07:34:10 <Mekkis> I'm thinking my next character will be a druid
07:34:43 <kapow> I have too many ideas i want to do :/
07:34:55 <Mekkis> probably sorcerer/druid
07:35:05 <kapow> a Rake druid/alchemist (beastmorph) or something like that
07:35:15 <Avatar> anyone know if gunsmithing can only be taken by gunslingers in PFS?
07:35:17 <Mekkis> or even witch/druid
07:35:20 <kapow> the sniper i've been dicking with for weeks
07:35:24 <Avatar> I thought that was the case, but checking additional resources, I can't find that now
07:35:35 <Avatar> apparently you only need the gunsmithing feat to own a firearm
07:35:39 <kapow> okay
07:35:49 <Avatar> and get photos and post them on g+
07:35:53 <kapow> yes but you can't take gunsmithing feat unless it's a part of your class
07:36:13 <kapow> so holy gun is like the only one of the top of my head i can thing of
07:36:21 <kapow> that can take a gun and isn't a gunslinger
07:36:23 <Avatar> I only took a level of gunslinger on my archaeologist to be able to get gunsmithing because I thought that was the only way
07:36:47 <Mekkis> Avatar, no, but the summoner needs to take the gunsmithing feat
07:36:50 <kapow> it is yuou have to be allowed to take the feat by a class
07:36:58 <kapow> you can't take the feat otherwise
07:38:07 <Avatar> kapow: where does it say that?
07:38:18 <Avatar> holy gun is definitely not PFS legeal
07:38:45 <Avatar> kapow: 22871-11
07:38:50 <Avatar> Paladin: The knight of the sepulcher and holy gun archetypes are not legal for Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
07:38:52 <Avatar> is Judas' PFS number
07:40:15 <kapow> I wasn't saying it was legal
07:40:34 <kapow> i was only giving an example of a none gunslinger class that provided access to gunsmithing
07:41:10 <Avatar> if it's not legal, it doesn't provide access
07:41:36 <Avatar> non-PFS, just taking the feat provides access
07:43:30 <kapow> I am trying to find where it is but i know they removed all of the other class/class archetypes that allowed you access to gunsmithing
07:43:35 <kapow> so gunslinger was the only choise
07:43:44 <Avatar> yeah that's what I thought
07:43:50 <Avatar> did they remove it without telling anyone
07:43:55 <Avatar> I want a goddamn rebuild
07:45:26 <Hydrazine> yo
07:45:50 <kapow> okay yeah i think they may have
07:45:53 <kapow> however
07:46:08 <kapow> you can't do anything about the gun in combat if you misfire
07:46:18 <kapow> it's fucked until you can sit down and spend an hour to repair it
07:47:47 <kapow> also mekkis who does rake work in pathfinder?
07:48:04 <Mekkis> if you hit with two claws, you then can make a free rake attack
07:48:16 <Mekkis> Defunct uses it from time to time
07:48:27 <kapow> yeah i know
07:48:36 <kapow> why i picked you to direct the question towards
07:49:00 <kapow> also how many secondary attacks can you have?
07:49:11 <Mekkis> there generally isn't a limit
07:49:19 <kapow> and secondaries are always at your lowest attack right?
07:49:25 <Mekkis> no
07:49:34 <Mekkis> secondaries are always at a -5
07:49:58 <kapow> okay and natural weapons can never use dex to hit?
07:51:15 <kapow> my idea for the rake alchemist
07:51:31 <kapow> is a ratfolk beastmorph alchemist
07:51:41 <kapow> so using 2 claws 1 bite and 1 tail
07:51:45 <kapow> for a full round
07:52:03 <Mekkis> weapon finesse can apply
07:54:54 <kapow> thats what i put right?
07:55:17 <kapow> yeah thats what i put
07:59:11 <kapow> 22871 -11 Judas Electio
07:59:18 <kapow> i got your pfs right on reporting n sheet
07:59:21 <kapow> what you whinging about
08:23:13 <Mekkis> wow
08:23:52 <Mekkis> lantern bearer 5 (level 10) gets dispel magic at CL15
08:23:56 <Mekkis> that's impressive
08:34:15 <kapow> I just had a thought
08:34:48 <kapow> an Alchemist with the Vestigial Arm trait could weild 2 2 handers
08:38:59 <kapow> oh the other thing i forgot to mention mekkis
08:39:09 <kapow> wings discovery as the alchemist ^_^
08:39:29 <Mekkis> kapow, Please. Don't do a spaceshot
08:39:35 <Mekkis> or I'll have to kill you
08:39:44 <kapow> whats a space shot?
08:40:23 <Mekkis> he spent a lot of time arguing about what happens when you play an alchemist with vestigial arm wielding two greatswords
08:42:22 <kapow> who spent a long time argueing about what?
08:42:56 <kapow> oh a guy called spaceshot
08:43:07 <kapow> screw greatswords scythes XP
08:43:13 <kapow> and no i wasn't going to
08:43:14 <kapow> i just read it and had a chuckle
08:43:49 <kapow> but yeah like i said the other thing i was taking alchemist for before arcane archer was for the ability to fly
08:44:09 <kapow> I mean I could go something like strix or something like that and get fly as a racial
09:04:30 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 20th 10am (first steps 2,kapow) / Sat 20th 10am (tier 5-9,Avatar) || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
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09:45:22 <kapow> hmmm or i could be a normal person and just go straight alchemist
09:45:34 <kapow> 3x 4d6+8
09:45:46 <kapow> a round until out of bombs
13:26:20 <kapow> !roll 1d20+12
13:26:21 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+12: [1d20=5] 17
13:26:23 <kapow> !roll 1d20+12
13:26:24 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+12: [1d20=16] 28
13:26:49 <kapow> !roll 3d6+4+10
13:26:49 <dicebot> kapow, 3d6+4+10: [3d6=4,4,3] 25
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17:45:42 <Hydrazine> yo
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19:04:05 <Avatar> you know how you told me not to take improved critical on buck
19:04:29 <Avatar> I think I rolled about 4 or 5 19's in the last couple of scenarios I played
19:05:38 <Ballig> I think that's simplifying things
19:06:08 <Ballig> I remember suggesting there might be other ways to get the improved critical effect without using a feat
19:07:28 <Avatar> I have a holy musket already
19:07:38 <Avatar> putting keen on it would hurt my wallet something fierce
19:07:56 <Ballig> I think I remember suggesting that something like keen (which you might not be able to get on a firearm, I'm not sure) would be better than holy
19:08:06 <Avatar> you can get it on a firearm
19:08:13 <Avatar> holy is a no brainer
19:08:18 <Avatar> so much damage
19:08:27 <Ballig> I think you could get better damage from a feat
19:08:47 <Avatar> what feat
19:09:00 <Ballig> Keen: This ability doubles the threat range of a weapon.
19:09:00 <Ballig> Only piercing or slashing melee weapons can be keen .
19:09:11 <Avatar> firearm is piercing
19:09:15 <Avatar> oh melee
19:09:42 <Avatar> yeah you are right there
19:10:10 <Avatar> I remember there were 3 things you recommended to me that turned out to be things I shouldn't go ahead with that I did anyway and it turned out good
19:10:16 <Brunius> I should make a paladin/gunslinger
19:10:16 <Avatar> I only remember that one for now
19:10:22 <Brunius> And have the weapon bond go towards my gun
19:10:25 <Avatar> do it brunius
19:10:34 <Brunius> But I already have a paladin
19:10:36 <Ballig> I didn't say you SHOULDN'T get improved critical
19:10:40 <Brunius> And my gunslinger/magus still isn't finished
19:10:42 <Ballig> I remember you were discussing for a good 2 hours the possible feats you could get
19:10:48 <Avatar> you told me over and over not to take improved critical
19:10:48 <Ballig> there were like 4 really good feat options
19:11:02 <Ballig> and I felt that improved critical might be better found some other way
19:11:28 <Avatar> 19-20/x4 is sexy as hell
19:11:41 <Ballig> are you actually listening to me? :p
19:11:44 <Ballig> I didn't say you shouldn't get it
19:11:45 <Brunius> Dude where does one purchase glitter
19:11:47 <Ballig> just that it can be found in other areas
19:11:52 <Avatar> targetting allows you to crit on a 19-20
19:12:00 <Avatar> but it costs a full round action, which stops you getting 3 shots off
19:12:09 <Ballig> that wasn't necessarily what I said you should be doing
19:12:19 <Avatar> yeah what is the alternative
19:12:28 <Ballig> I don't think we went so far as to come up with alternatives
19:12:35 <Ballig> pretty sure I just said "there might be other ways"
19:12:37 <Ballig> and that was it
19:12:50 <Avatar> there was two other things as well
19:13:05 <Ballig> the rest of the discussion was around other possible feats
19:13:13 <Ballig> I do remember telling you one feat that you thought was awesome that I said would suck
19:13:20 <Ballig> I can't remember what it was exactly, but there was some aspect of it that made it suck
19:13:22 <Avatar> yeah different discussions
19:13:29 <Avatar> tristen knows, I told him
19:13:30 <Ballig> I think because it took a "standard action" instead of an "attack action"
19:13:42 <Ballig> I'm sure you told him the bullshit version :p
19:13:53 <Ballig> just like "he said I shouldn't get improved critical! but I got it anyway and it's awesome!"
19:13:54 <Avatar> it wasn't bullshit
19:13:55 <Ballig> when that wasn't at all what I said
19:14:00 <Avatar> you told me taking improved critical was a Very Bad Idea
19:14:10 <Ballig> I don't use "Very Bad Idea"
19:14:12 <Ballig> that's you and Mekkis
19:14:14 <Avatar> not those words
19:14:17 <Avatar> that was the gist
19:14:33 <Ballig> I told you that there are probably other ways to get it and you would be better off using that feat on one of the other three awesome feat ideas you had already come up with
19:14:39 <Ballig> which, I'm sure, you've already forgotten about
19:14:39 <Avatar> I think one of them might have been around extra grit
19:14:44 <Steven> night guys, see ya!
19:14:59 <Avatar> which sort of finally came in useful, but maybe not
19:15:10 <Avatar> because you get grit back if you crit or kill somone, which I forgot about
19:15:18 <Avatar> and I did a fair amount of killing and a lot of critting
19:15:42 <Mort-> Hi
19:15:42 <Avatar> a lot of critting thanks to my Improved Critical feat
19:16:06 <Mort-> My availbility for games is going to get screwed
19:16:10 <Avatar> at one point we thought the holy damage got x4'd as well, and I had a lot, lot of dice in my hands
19:16:16 <Avatar> waiting to be rolled for damage
19:16:23 <Avatar> 8 dice for the holy alone
19:16:31 <Mort-> I've been like asked to clean up the house on a regular basis on week ends :(
19:16:37 <Avatar> but alas, only 6 in the end
19:16:52 <Ballig> I think it's interesting that Keen Edge the spell can be cast on ranged weapons but not Keen the weapon effect
19:20:16 <Avatar> I read something somewhere about how appraise can be useful but I don't know where it is or what it said
19:26:35 <Brunius> In PFS, not really.
19:26:47 <Brunius> If you're going for a faction mission maybe
19:27:07 <Avatar> it was something to do with interpretation
19:27:15 <Avatar> useful in PFS
19:27:30 <Avatar> I didn't take a lot of notice because I still didn't think I would take appraise because of it
19:27:39 <Ballig> I'm sure you misinterpreted it
19:27:41 <Ballig> like most things !
19:28:17 <Avatar> no there were 3 things you recommended that I went against that did me good
19:28:47 <Brunius> Ultimately this is a game of chance, Avatar
19:28:56 <Avatar> it is more than that brunius
19:28:59 <Avatar> it is a game of creativity
19:29:10 <Avatar> back the odds
19:29:27 <Brunius> I don't know anything about what Ballig was suggesting, but he might have been looking at the statistics and going "X is worse than Y 90% of the time"
19:29:35 <Brunius> That doesn't mean X is always worse than Y
19:29:57 <Avatar> yeah all I know is I rolled 4 19's and 0 20's
19:29:58 <Ballig> there weren't 3 things
19:30:03 <Ballig> you didn't have three things available to you at the time
19:30:04 <Avatar> where those crits were x4 each
19:30:12 <Avatar> that's x16 damage thanks to improved crit
19:30:16 <Avatar> on a +1 holy musket
19:30:36 <Ballig> there was one thing, and I didn't say you shouldn't get it
19:30:43 <Ballig> I said you should look at the option of getting it in a way that doesn't use a feat
19:30:45 <Avatar> no there were three
19:30:46 <Brunius> You should multiclass into myrimidarch magus and go shocking grasp at range
19:30:46 <Ballig> because you could use that feat for something else
19:30:49 <Ballig> there weren't three man
19:30:50 <Avatar> I don't remember the other two
19:30:52 <Ballig> you can't even tell me what they were
19:30:59 <Ballig> there were three FEATS you wanted
19:31:03 <Ballig> and improved critical was one
19:31:04 <Avatar> are you suggesting I remember everything and therefore there couldn't have been two more
19:31:12 <Ballig> and I said one of the other two would be better for you if you found another way to get improved critical
19:31:27 <Avatar> no I don't mean three options including improved crit
19:31:36 <Avatar> one was taking improved crit or taking something else
19:31:42 <Ballig> no
19:31:43 <Avatar> the other two were other things completely
19:31:47 <Ballig> the only other thing was you had ALREADY chosen holy
19:31:49 <Avatar> not relating to crits
19:32:02 <Avatar> I'm not talking about that
19:32:02 <Ballig> and I said that you could get +2 to your weapon for the same cost
19:32:06 <Ballig> which would probably even out to better damage
19:32:11 <Ballig> man, I remember this conversation and you don't
19:32:16 <Ballig> so stop telling me that there was this magic other two things
19:32:17 <Avatar> alright let's find the log
19:32:18 <Ballig> that you can't even remember
19:32:19 <Ballig> I'm TELLING YOU
19:32:20 <Ballig> there weren't
19:32:26 <Avatar> you don't understand what I'm talking about when I say two other things
19:32:35 <Ballig> I understand that they don't exist
19:32:52 <Ballig> one was a feat selection and the other was holy that you had already purchased
19:32:54 <Ballig> before you even brought it up
19:33:00 <Avatar> that's not what I'm talking about man
19:33:01 <Ballig> because you purchased it at the convention and we were discussing it after the convention
19:33:27 <Ballig> what "three things" do you think you could even be choosing
19:33:33 <Ballig> give me an example of three things you could be choosing all at once
19:33:36 <Ballig> just categories of things
19:33:54 <Avatar> I don't remember
19:34:01 <Ballig> no, don't tell me the three things
19:34:02 <Avatar> I think one was to do with extra grit
19:34:07 <Ballig> just give me three categories of things it could possibly have been
19:34:13 <Ballig> you took extra grit at level 1 man
19:34:17 <Avatar> I don't know, abilities?
19:34:23 <Avatar> doesn't matter when it was
19:34:27 <Ballig> are you saying that these three things happened at separate times of your character?
19:34:31 <Avatar> yeah
19:34:34 <Ballig> because you made your character at a convention
19:34:42 <Ballig> and never discussed it until afterwards
19:34:43 <Avatar> I didn't make my gunslinger at a con
19:34:46 <Ballig> so I wasn't involved in your decision to take extra grit
19:34:57 <Ballig> if it wasn't at a con, it definitely wasn't with my input
19:34:59 <Avatar> I was raving about gunslinger in here when it came out
19:35:02 <Ballig> I remember you doing it at a con or at the gaming store
19:35:17 <Avatar> I don't make characters anywhere but at home
19:35:22 <Avatar> paper sux
19:35:35 <Ballig> it absolutely was without my input
19:35:40 <Ballig> I remember you discussing extra grit with me AFTER
19:35:46 <Ballig> and you told me how bad the decision was
19:35:46 <Brunius> Was it while you were moving?
19:35:53 <Ballig> and how you could have had all these better things if you hadn't taken it
19:35:59 <Avatar> don't know, maybe it wasn't extra grit
19:36:10 <Avatar> I remember there were 3 things
19:36:28 <Ballig> I have discussed three things with you about your gunslinger: extra grit, improved critical, holy
19:36:35 <Ballig> extra grit and holy were done without my input, we discussed them afterwards
19:36:43 <Ballig> and improved critical I reiterate I NEVER said you shouldn't get
19:36:49 <Ballig> only that you should look at options of getting it without using a feat
19:36:52 <Avatar> I don't think it was holy, that is a no brainer
19:37:22 <Ballig> if you're so certain that these three things have been so awesome, why can you not remember more than improved critical?
19:38:04 <Avatar> because of my great memory
19:38:17 <Ballig> and if you can't remember them, why are you so certain they exist?
19:38:27 <Avatar> I absolutely remember there were 3 things
19:38:31 <Avatar> I was counting
19:38:38 <Avatar> I made a point to tristen about it
19:38:49 <Ballig> if you remember them as well as you remember improved critical, then it doesn't surprise me that you were counting something quite random
19:38:54 <Ballig> because, again, I never told you not to get improved critical
19:39:10 <Avatar> dig up the log it is all there
19:39:30 <Ballig> "the log" you just told me that these three t hings happened over the entire course of your gunslinger's career
19:39:37 <Ballig> your gunslinger has been around for like 18 months
19:39:39 <Avatar> I don't think it would have been with snickers
19:40:00 <Avatar> the log is re improved critical only
19:40:10 <Avatar> I remember that we had words about it
19:43:31 <Ballig> [5:11:46 PM] <Ballig> yeah not worth a feat
19:44:27 <Avatar> what date is it
19:44:41 <Brunius> 15th
19:44:47 <Avatar> quiet you
19:44:53 <Ballig> 20120326
19:45:00 <Ballig> did you end up getting the humanoid (human) bane weapon?
19:45:04 <Ballig> because that was the other thing I told you wasn't worth it
19:45:15 <Ballig> keep in mind in that discussion we discussed a LOT of feats you could get
19:45:25 <Ballig> just because you've made decent use of improved critical doesn't mean you wouldn't have made better use of other feats
19:45:27 <Avatar> no, tristen got a bane bow
19:45:39 <Avatar> his bow kicks ass too
19:45:42 <Avatar> it has a reputation
19:45:55 <Ballig> the bane would be okay without the holy
19:46:03 <Ballig> instead of, I mean
19:46:09 <Ballig> but you already had holy
19:46:10 <Brunius> Ballig, is reddit loading slow?
19:46:25 <Ballig> I don't know, it takes me 2 days to read through the front page
19:46:42 <Ballig> loading a comments page just now is taking longer than usual
19:46:47 <Ballig> took maybe 15 seconds
19:47:17 <Avatar> [18:15] <Avatar> enhance your lance
19:47:17 <Avatar> [18:15] <Avatar> i'm a poet and I don't even know it
19:47:33 <Ballig> is that the seecond thing
19:47:45 <Avatar> no that is a 4th thing
19:50:11 <Avatar> yeah there wasn't much
19:50:14 <Avatar> not worth a feat
19:50:22 <Avatar> but what is the alternative, keen edge
19:50:55 <Ballig> where you take it from there is up to you
19:51:00 <Ballig> you haven't actually proven that it's worth a feat
19:51:04 <Avatar> that is a level 3 spell
19:51:12 <Ballig> read through all the other feats we were discussing that day
19:51:15 <Avatar> there is no other way I can get those kinds of criticals
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19:51:29 <Avatar> none of the other feats we discussed will do x16
19:51:39 <Ballig> improved critical doesn't change the multiplier
19:51:45 <Ballig> it's just a +5% chance of happening
19:51:48 <Avatar> that feat paid its price in gold for the rest of my career in two scenarios
19:51:57 <Ballig> I disagree
19:51:58 <Avatar> the multiplier is x4 though
19:52:04 <Avatar> on a d12 weapon
19:52:06 <Ballig> it would have been x4 regardless
19:52:14 <Avatar> it would have been x1
19:52:18 <Avatar> since I rolled 0 20's
19:52:21 <Ballig> no, it's always been x4
19:52:32 <Avatar> 0 20's = regular hits, x1
19:52:36 <Ballig> we all know you have a terrible reputation with odds man
19:52:38 <Ballig> so don't even try to argue it
19:52:43 <Avatar> I rolled 4 19s
19:52:47 <Ballig> don't even try to argue it
19:52:49 <Avatar> how is that a terrible rep
19:52:50 <Ballig> don't even try
19:52:54 <Avatar> how is that terrible
19:52:57 <Ballig> don't even
19:52:58 <Avatar> roll the dice
19:52:59 <Ballig> don't
19:53:08 <Avatar> roll
19:53:10 <Ballig> d
19:53:20 <Avatar> r
19:53:24 <Ballig>
19:53:39 <Avatar> ™
19:57:12 <Tashes> !roll
19:57:16 <Tashes> can't.
19:57:22 <Tashes> phail.
19:57:50 <Ballig> !roll 20#1d20
19:57:53 <dicebot> Ballig, 1d20: [1d20=8] 8, [1d20=16] 16, [1d20=14] 14, [1d20=17] 17, [1d20=17] 17, [1d20=18] 18, [1d20=15] 15, [1d20=12] 12, [1d20=5] 5, [1d20=18] 18, [1d20=4] 4, [1d20=5] 5, [1d20=19] 19, [1d20=19] 19, [1d20=2] 2, [1d20=6] 6, [1d20=17] 17, [1d20=18] 18, [1d20=8] 8, [1d20=17] 17
20:34:24 <Brunius> Two 8s
20:34:26 <Brunius> Two 17s
20:34:30 <Brunius> Two 19s
20:34:36 <Brunius> Three 18s
20:42:47 <Brunius> Three 17s, actuall
20:42:48 <Brunius> y
20:42:54 <Brunius> two 5s
20:54:28 <kapow> not long now and i get my first gm star
20:54:29 <kapow> yeah!
20:54:30 <kapow> :D
20:54:44 <Ballig> I expect you to actually cut out a cardboard star
20:54:49 <Ballig> and wear it every time you GM
21:35:24 <kapow> okay
21:35:34 <Avatar> and get photos and post them on g+
21:38:29 <Avatar> kapow: 22871-11
21:38:37 <Avatar> is Judas' PFS number
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22:43:04 <Steven> yo
23:00:35 <Steven> i love the walking dead... such an awesome show
23:10:24 <Steven> i should make a tanky character, i dont really have one of those yet.
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23:15:24 <Avatar> the filename had 22871-1
23:15:28 <Avatar> like he's my first character
23:15:32 <Avatar> my level 1 guy
23:15:46 <Avatar> what do you think this is
23:17:28 <Mekkis> ooh
23:17:33 <Mekkis> there's a new D&D movie ouy
23:17:36 <Mekkis> out*
23:33:39 <Mekkis> it probably sucks
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