// #d&d — 2012-10-18
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00:13:05 <Mekkis> I'm sure I could make a summoner that does 12 attacks a around by 7
00:15:39 <Mekkis> hell, I could make it do 12 attacks a round by level 2
00:15:53 <Mekkis> (please disregard the horrible attack modifiers)
00:17:05 <Mekkis> hmm
00:17:09 <Mekkis> level 4
00:21:10 <Mekkis> Eidolon: base form Humanoid.
00:21:10 <Mekkis> Evolutions:
00:21:10 <Mekkis> Limbs (legs)*
00:21:10 <Mekkis> Limbs (arms)*
00:21:10 <Mekkis> claws
00:21:11 <Mekkis> Evolution Pool (9 points: class 7, favoured +1, extra +1)
00:21:13 <Mekkis> Limbs (arms)x4
00:21:15 <Mekkis> Hooves
00:21:17 <Mekkis> Feats include Martial Weapon Proficiency.
00:21:19 <Mekkis> STR 18
00:21:21 <Mekkis> BAB +3
00:21:23 <Mekkis> attacks:
00:21:25 <Mekkis> rapier +4 (1d6+4), 8 rapiers +0 (1d6+2), 2 hooves +2 (1d4+2)
00:21:37 <Mekkis> (use Lesser Evolution Surge for another 2 rapiers)
01:51:29 <kapow> can keen be applied to natural attacks?
01:51:37 <kapow> via an Amulet of Mighty Fists?
01:52:26 <kapow> keen states it can only be placed on melee weapons and natural attacks are melee weapons
01:55:41 <Steven> geeze.... did all of act 3 and 4 on d3 on inferno... zero legendaries
01:57:37 <Brunius> What are these
02:06:49 <MekkisScreen> what?
02:07:13 <MekkisScreen> thinking of making an eidolon with maximum attacks
02:07:28 <MekkisScreen> maybe with Butterfly Sting
02:23:22 <Brunius> http://i.imgur.com/9BwfM.png
02:34:42 <Avatar> I saw a funny thread that asked for the most possible natural attacks on a character
02:34:49 <Avatar> with a footnote (without being a synthesist)
02:34:54 <Avatar> I thought that was funny
02:47:31 <Brunius> Avatar: Suggest PvP options at level 10, in 3.5
02:55:37 <N2H4> Wizard.
02:57:23 <Brunius> Obscure sources to pull OP shit from?
02:58:48 <Steven> faiths of balance
02:59:22 <Steven> i dont actually know, im just throwing that out there
03:02:12 <Mekkis> Brunius, how OP do you want?
03:02:46 <Mekkis> you CAN get Shapechange at level 5, IIRC
03:03:11 <Brunius> From the sound of it it's QQ but at level 10 instead
03:03:27 <Mekkis> do you get any round of prep time?
03:05:46 <Mekkis> You can always do the whole Anthropomorphic Giant Squid wielding an eight-handed lance
03:05:54 <Mekkis> and do 4-digit damage...
03:06:44 <Brunius> Sounds like no prep time
03:06:54 <Mekkis> then do the squid
03:08:08 <Mekkis> unless you have enough money to buy the Siege Crab
03:09:13 <Mekkis> leadership feat allowed?
03:10:02 <Brunius> I believe so
03:10:05 <Avatar> more summonz?
03:10:31 <Mekkis> ride a Beacon Moth (2000gp for eggs, 3000gp young) (from Dragon Magazine issue 322)
03:10:32 <Avatar> I don't even like pvp brunius
03:10:41 <Avatar> my pvp option in QQ was a level 20 expert to try and think creatively
03:11:13 <Mekkis> yeah. Exploit Ghandi's weaknesses.
03:11:31 <Mekkis> and do Anthropomorphic Giant Squid
03:11:38 <Mekkis> (Savage Species)
03:11:56 <Mekkis> with levels in War Hulk (from Miniatures Handbook)
03:14:49 <Mekkis> the idea is to charge and kill the wizards before they can do anything
03:17:17 <Avatar> before they can summon anything
03:27:27 <Mekkis> sure
03:27:35 <Mekkis> summon is full-round :)
03:27:54 <Mekkis> (and with 20' reach, it's unlikely that they can summon something to stop you killing them)
03:48:01 <Hydrazine> It also states that it can only be applied to piercing and slashing melee weapons.
03:48:21 <Hydrazine> So, I suppose it could be, aslong as the natural attacks are S or P.
03:50:27 <Brunius> Oh no
03:52:07 <Steven> i think imma eat some more quiche...
04:05:27 <Steven> versatility
04:05:44 <Steven> hmmm.... take a level in druid and get a pet?
04:05:45 <Ballig> did you get that trait that gives you +3 or something to assists instead of +2
04:05:49 <Avatar> yeah he casts bard spells, he has a whip and a hammer to aid and trip, and he has a gun
04:06:00 <Avatar> no
04:06:07 <Avatar> that's a shadow lodge trait, he's qadiran
04:06:14 <Steven> just making a suggestion lol
04:06:30 <Avatar> I don't need a pet, I need a feat
04:06:32 <Ballig> I think there are two traits that do similar things
04:06:34 <Ballig> one is better than the other
04:06:39 <Ballig> get uh
04:06:44 <Ballig> fuck, what's that feat
04:06:45 <Ballig> boon companion
04:07:23 <Steven> go for butterfly sting...
04:07:26 <Avatar> I am eating a salad but I can respect quiche
04:07:55 <Avatar> I don't have an animal companion or a familiar to use boon companion
04:08:10 <Avatar> the only reason I would need to multiclass at all is because fighter gives me two feats instead of one
04:08:11 <Steven> made them myself
04:08:21 <Avatar> even multiclassing again is not the preferable option
04:08:39 <Avatar> I'm certainly not multiclassing to pick up a pet or a familiar
04:08:59 <Steven> do you already have combat expertise?
04:09:04 <Avatar> no
04:09:05 <Avatar> steven you're american right
04:09:10 <Avatar> why do americans say right now after everything
04:09:12 <Steven> indeed i am
04:09:13 <Steven> hmmm....
04:09:26 <Steven> i dunno
04:09:30 <Avatar> I am watching THE AMAZING RACE
04:09:35 <Avatar> they always say things right now
04:09:40 <Avatar> I'm thinking maybe get combat expertise, improved trip or weapon focus whip, whip mastery
04:09:43 <Steven> iunno
04:09:47 <Avatar> and improved whip mastery at 5th
04:10:15 <Ballig> does improved whip mastery let you threaten
04:10:16 <kapow> claws are slashing
04:10:20 <Avatar> is that what actually happens or is it just what we see in american culture over here
04:10:21 <kapow> and bite is piercing
04:10:21 <Avatar> yeah
04:10:24 <Ballig> what book is it
04:10:31 <kapow> as for wings I don't know what they are -.^
04:10:36 <Ballig> UC
04:10:40 <Steven> iunno, i dont watch the amazing race
04:10:43 <Steven> so... yeah
04:10:46 <kapow> slashing also
04:10:46 <Ballig> oh, you need weapon focus to get it
04:10:54 <kapow> so across the board
04:11:21 <kapow> the idea is an Aasimar Beastmorph/Vivisectionist Alchemist :P
04:11:24 <Steven> but theres lots of different dialects in america.
04:11:46 <kapow> taking the aasimar feats Angelic Blood, Angel Wings & Metalic Wings
04:11:53 <kapow> feral mutagen
04:11:58 <kapow> 2x claw & Bite Primary
04:12:02 <kapow> 2x Wings Secondary
04:12:21 <kapow> step into flank
04:12:30 <kapow> 5 attacks with chance of sneak attack ^_^
04:12:46 <kapow> then rend on the claws
04:13:50 <Ballig> take the level of fighter
04:15:09 <N2H4> You know America is like a whole entire country, right?
04:15:31 <N2H4> Do all of you aussies talk the same, all across the continent?
04:15:37 <Ballig> take a level of fighter (cad)
04:15:59 <Avatar> yeah
04:16:04 <Avatar> to both
04:16:10 <Steven> well america doesnt...
04:16:26 <Avatar> what part of america and am I thinking of
04:16:31 <Avatar> north america
04:16:41 <N2H4> You telling me you can't get an idea of whether someone is from Perth or Brisbane or Melbourne just from how they talk?
04:16:47 <Avatar> no
04:16:56 <Avatar> aussies are all the same
04:17:06 <Brunius> I dunno, Cairns maybe
04:17:11 <Avatar> I think there are some euphanisms some states use that others don't
04:17:23 <Avatar> adelaidians use umm
04:17:26 <N2H4> Heaps.
04:17:32 <Avatar> yeah that's heaps good
04:17:48 <Avatar> that's the only one I know of all around australia
04:18:02 <N2H4> Chances are you just don't really pay attention to it.
04:18:20 <Avatar> don't know about that
04:18:30 <N2H4> Oh yeah?
04:18:46 <Avatar> well maybe, I can't discount it completely
04:18:54 <N2H4> Tashes was entirely unaware that she pronounces know and no differently. So does her mother. I had to point this out to her.
04:19:18 <Avatar> how does she pronounce them
04:19:25 <N2H4> One of them has a Y at the end
04:19:35 <Avatar> knowy?
04:22:26 <Steven> ill have to do some accents for you sometime when we are on skype avatar
04:22:48 <Avatar> sweet
04:22:54 <Avatar> underwater accents aye
04:23:01 <Steven> .... no
04:23:04 <Brunius> We should all get on Skype
04:23:06 <Brunius> Right now
04:23:23 <Avatar> you should run a game right now brunius
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04:23:38 <Brunius> Alright, so you've got the whole FS 2 intro
04:23:53 <Brunius> It's foggy
04:23:53 <Brunius> Roll perception
04:24:41 <Steven> probably Brooklyn, West Virginian, Texan, Californian probably surfer boy or valley girl, and then if i can get it right maybe North Dakota
04:25:16 <Steven> brunius.... what you doin?
04:25:28 <Brunius> According to Avatar I'm DMing FS2
04:26:52 <OsterGuard> hey all
04:26:57 <OsterGuard> I'm back :P
04:27:36 <Mekkis> what do you study?
04:28:05 <Steven> hey oster
04:28:14 <Steven> Brunius is about to run First steps part 2 for us?
04:28:14 <OsterGuard> me?
04:28:24 <Mekkis> yes.
04:28:25 <OsterGuard> I'm still in high school
04:28:25 <Mekkis> you
04:28:29 <Brunius> Nah not enough people 's not running
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04:28:31 <OsterGuard> So the usual
04:28:39 <OsterGuard> Maths
04:28:41 <OsterGuard> English
04:28:43 <OsterGuard> Chem
04:28:43 <Honey> Im totaly ready lol
04:28:46 <OsterGuard> Physics
04:28:56 <Brunius> Which Math
04:29:01 <OsterGuard> 3ab
04:29:05 <OsterGuard> year 11
04:29:06 <Steven> whats your area of specialty?
04:29:14 <Steven> or is this highschool?
04:29:19 <OsterGuard> highschool
04:29:25 <Steven> alright....
04:29:33 <Brunius> Hmm, I should start reading out subjects too
04:29:36 <Brunius> Just to confuse the issue
04:29:42 <Brunius> Mathematical Methods
04:29:43 <OsterGuard> ahahah
04:29:43 <Brunius> English
04:29:44 <Brunius> Chem
04:29:48 <Brunius> Physics
04:29:53 <Brunius> Nah, not Chem this year
04:29:54 <Mekkis> Brunius, you're not doing the "nerd five"?
04:29:55 <Brunius> IT this year
04:29:57 <Brunius> Chem next year
04:30:05 <Brunius> 'nerd five'?
04:30:14 <OsterGuard> I'm GMing for the first time in a couple weeks :D
04:30:22 <Mekkis> Maths B, Maths C, Physics, Chemistry, English
04:30:24 <Brunius> Is this Further MM 1+2 MM 3+4 AGM and Spesh?
04:30:39 <Brunius> There is no Maths B or Maths C where I live
04:30:54 <Brunius> I'd guess that Math B equates to Methods
04:31:00 <Brunius> And C to AGM and Specialist
04:31:05 <Mekkis> whatever they two highest forms of maths are
04:31:12 <OsterGuard> that's about it
04:31:14 <Steven> good for you oster!
04:31:17 <Brunius> Yo Avatar, you got a minute?
04:31:18 <OsterGuard> ^^
04:31:18 <Steven> what are you going to GM?
04:31:20 <Brunius> Yeah, I'm doing the equivalent of Math B and the first half of Math C
04:31:22 <Brunius> And all the rest
04:31:38 <OsterGuard> I'm running Vampire: the Requiem for a couple friends
04:31:51 <Brunius> I might do the latter half of math C if I do decently in the first half
04:32:25 <Mekkis> I didn't do chemistry
04:32:48 <Mekkis> I did B, C, physics, economics, graphics and english
04:33:04 <Mekkis> (consider doing graphics - it opens doors and perspectives)
04:33:08 <OsterGuard> I'm reading the nWoD core rulebook, the V:tR rulebook and a 300 page GMing book
04:33:12 <Mekkis> (and helps you print out PFS maps)
04:33:12 <OsterGuard> So much reading...
04:33:28 <OsterGuard> ahaha
04:33:52 <OsterGuard> All I have to do is get a map of San Francisco
04:33:53 <OsterGuard> :P
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04:34:17 <Mekkis> why not just set it in Brisbane instead?
04:34:34 <OsterGuard> Why Brisbane?
04:34:38 <OsterGuard> That where you are?
04:34:41 <OsterGuard> I'm in Perth
04:35:00 <Steven> yeah, my understanding of vamp was that it didnt NEED to be in a specific city
04:35:04 <Mekkis> because it's not good to run something too close to home :S
04:35:27 <N2H4> pssh. screw maps. Just make up stuff.
04:35:40 <OsterGuard> It doesn't, but the story, for lack of a better word, that I'm writing relies on San Fran
04:36:24 <OsterGuard> The Prince has set up something most nefarious in what used to be Alcatraz
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04:37:38 <N2H4> step one, learn just a little about any major landmarks in the city. Step 2, make up the rest. This especially works when noone in the game has ever actually been there.
04:37:57 <Brunius> Ha
04:38:27 <Avatar> for you brunius, I have 5
04:38:39 <N2H4> Consider how much it matters that you look up maps for a city you make for a homebrew.
04:38:49 <OsterGuard> haha
04:39:13 <OsterGuard> I'm definitely running a PF campaign next
04:39:23 <OsterGuard> Jesus it's hard to write for WoD
04:39:26 <N2H4> Seriously. Its a game, not a 'Perfect simulation of San Fran'
04:39:38 <OsterGuard> I know
04:39:43 <OsterGuard> I'm making up tonnes
04:39:51 <OsterGuard> tons*
04:40:13 <OsterGuard> wait
04:40:14 <Brunius> Yeah it's fine now no problem
04:40:18 <OsterGuard> Which one is correct?
04:40:25 <Brunius> Oh, how likely is Wonders in the Weave to run?
04:40:30 <N2H4> Tons, in my American english.
04:40:31 <Brunius> And how long will it take?
04:40:34 <N2H4> It might actually be different for you.
04:40:38 <Brunius> It's tonnes
04:40:43 <Brunius> Always tonnes
04:41:12 <N2H4> Now see, Brunius might be right. Or he could be trolling you.
04:41:19 <Brunius> Brunius is right.
04:41:24 <Avatar> allow 6 hours
04:41:47 <Mekkis> I thought there was a difference
04:42:04 <OsterGuard> ahah
04:42:16 <Brunius> Holy crap
04:42:19 <Brunius> A new article on the site
04:42:40 <OsterGuard> How many of you have played vampire?
04:43:05 <N2H4> I've played other WoD stuff.
04:43:10 <Brunius> "I judge Magic: The Gathering (please put away the pitchforks)"
04:43:10 <Mekkis> one is the imperial ton and the other is the metric tonne
04:43:24 <OsterGuard> yeah
04:43:27 <Mekkis> ton = 2000lb, tonne = 1000kg
04:43:38 <OsterGuard> What've you played N2?
04:43:44 <N2H4> Which is why I gave the American answer.
04:43:46 <N2H4> Oh yeah.
04:43:55 <OsterGuard> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
04:44:00 <OsterGuard> That's who you are
04:44:04 <OsterGuard> What's with N2?
04:44:05 <Avatar> oh yeah
04:44:13 <Mekkis> OsterGuard, this is why you do chemistry
04:44:16 <Hydrazine> Um. Hunter and Mage.
04:44:26 <OsterGuard> ohhhh
04:44:34 <Hydrazine> I learned that with a few sessions life mages get OP.
04:44:40 <Avatar> is that like snow white and the huntsman
04:45:09 <Hydrazine> Um. Ever seen the show Supernatural?
04:45:19 <Hydrazine> A better name would be Hunter: The Television Series.
04:45:21 <Avatar> yeah, but only like 1 or 2 eps
04:45:30 <Brunius> Man, I search for D&D stuff and come up with DayZ stuff
04:45:31 <OsterGuard> ahaha
04:45:32 <Brunius> How does this happen
04:45:35 <OsterGuard> Love that show
04:46:04 <Hydrazine> I had alot of fun playing Hunter. More so than Mage I think.
04:46:15 <Hydrazine> Not because the mechanics are more engaging. Just a better campaign.
04:46:24 <OsterGuard> okay
04:46:42 <OsterGuard> I'm actually giving the characters a '67 impala
04:46:44 <OsterGuard> :P
04:46:45 <OsterGuard> Black
04:46:56 <Hydrazine> Dork.
04:47:05 <OsterGuard> ^^
04:47:33 <Hydrazine> My hunter was a bartender. And then I got a little frustrated because we didn't really have much use for face skills for a while.
04:48:21 <Brunius> Steven: Are you around?
04:49:52 <OsterGuard> Face skills?
04:50:03 <Steven> diplo, intimidation, bluff
04:50:08 <Steven> you know, social interaction
04:50:10 <Hydrazine> Bartender. Good at talking to people, getting information.
04:50:18 <Hydrazine> And mixing drinks.
04:50:47 <Steven> once played in some campaign... think it was warewolf or darkness or vampire... i dunno
04:51:33 <Steven> and the DM gave us all flaws, mine were coffee addiction and intolerance of swearing
04:51:56 <OsterGuard> ahhhh
04:51:58 <OsterGuard> k
04:52:15 <OsterGuard> The DM shouldn't give you your flaws
04:52:23 <Steven> had fun all the way until role playing my character we run into a place and everyone we meet is swearing
04:52:46 <Steven> so naturally, i roleplay accordingly and get penalized for it....
04:53:07 <Steven> by getting beat half to death and smacked with a hospital bill of like five grand
04:53:20 <OsterGuard> ahahahahah
04:53:21 <Steven> was totaly lame....
04:53:22 <OsterGuard> Fun
04:53:27 <Hydrazine> Kind of a dick move by the DM.
04:53:32 <OsterGuard> yeah
04:53:40 <Steven> i know
04:53:46 <Steven> no
04:53:54 <Steven> the character was basically lets be a pain in the ass to steve
04:53:57 <Steven> cause i curse a lot
04:54:00 <Steven> i am currently hiding in a nondimensional space
04:54:01 <Steven> and i dont drink coffee
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04:54:17 <OsterGuard> lol
04:54:40 <Steven> on the plus side i did get the ability of True Sight
04:54:44 <Steven> which i never got to use correctly
04:55:11 <Steven> because the DM(Tony) had situations planned out how he wanted them to go
04:55:42 <Steven> like once we were chasing this lady who was on foot, while we were in a car, poof she disappears,
04:55:54 <Steven> im in the passenger seat, and im like okay so, i can still see her
04:55:59 <Steven> and tony was like no you cant
04:56:09 <OsterGuard> he sounds like a shitty DM
04:56:10 <Steven> and i was like yeah i have true sight, hand him my character sheet
04:56:14 <Steven> and he was like okay you see her
04:56:26 <Steven> and im like okay i relay instructions to the driver
04:56:42 <Steven> and hes like okay the lady runs down a side street
04:56:50 <Steven> and im like i tell the lady to turn
04:56:59 <Steven> and hes like okay, she turns down the wrong street
04:57:13 <Steven> DM 1 Creative Solutions 0
04:57:24 <Steven> and it was lots of little things like that
04:57:49 <Steven> he also GM'd 3.0 and 3.5
04:58:09 <Steven> luckily i never had to put up with that
04:58:21 <Steven> he did play magic though, and god was he ever a sore looser
04:58:30 <OsterGuard> wow
04:58:33 <Hydrazine> Man.
04:58:40 <OsterGuard> I'm making sure I never do these things
04:58:41 <OsterGuard> :P
04:58:49 <Hydrazine> I spent most of my tabletop experiences with two AWESOME DMs.
04:59:08 <Steven> i remember once he built this hand reveal/discard deck
04:59:25 <Steven> with slivers
04:59:31 <Brunius> Oh god
04:59:47 <OsterGuard> Never played magic
04:59:52 <OsterGuard> What does that mean?
04:59:55 <Steven> and it was basically, he taps a sliver, names a card you reveal your hand, discard the card if its the one he named
05:00:08 <Steven> and he just repeated that until you had no hand
05:00:18 <Steven> then alpha for the win
05:00:42 <Steven> and i got tired trying to beat it with my mono black
05:00:50 <Steven> so i switched to my UW control
05:01:23 <Steven> and proceeded to basically tell him no all the time
05:01:31 <Steven> whenever he went for his combo
05:01:43 <Brunius> Yeah
05:01:54 <Brunius> That's basically what I do with my current deck
05:02:06 <Brunius> "Combo piece? Cool story, oh look a cancel"
05:02:08 <Steven> and after 3 games he got so pissy he tried to tell me my deck was illegal.
05:02:40 <Steven> it was during zendikar block
05:04:16 <Steven> cause i just kept fatesealing his top cards with jace and putting the discard slivers on the bottom of his library
05:04:20 <Avatar> that's funny because it's true
05:04:37 * Steven shushes Avatar.
05:07:18 <OsterGuard> fun
05:20:09 <kapow> !roll 2#1d20+21
05:20:30 <kapow> !throw 2#1d20+21
05:20:30 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d20+21: [1d20=5] 26, [1d20=19] 40
05:20:37 <kapow> !throw 1d20+20
05:20:38 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+20: [1d20=15] 35
05:20:54 <kapow> !throw 2#1d20+15
05:20:54 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d20+15: [1d20=11] 26, [1d20=13] 28
05:22:00 <kapow> !roll 2#1d8+7d6+9
05:22:02 <N2H4> Yeah! You throw those dice.
05:22:04 <N2H4> Throw em gooooood.
05:22:11 <kapow> !throw 2#1d8+7d6+9
05:22:11 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d8+7d6+9: [1d8=7; 7d6=6,4,2,5,4,5,6] 48, [1d8=8; 7d6=5,5,6,2,3,2,5] 45
05:23:17 <kapow> !throw 2d6+7d6+14
05:23:17 <diebot> kapow, 2d6+7d6+14: [2d6=5,1; 7d6=5,1,4,3,1,2,2] 38
05:23:23 <N2H4> hey Kapow.
05:23:26 <N2H4> Whatcha doooooooooooooin?
05:23:36 <kapow> !throw 2#1d4+7d6+14
05:23:36 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d4+7d6+14: [1d4=2; 7d6=5,2,5,2,2,3,1] 36, [1d4=4; 7d6=4,3,2,6,5,1,1] 40
05:23:52 <kapow> testing a full round attack with a level 13 character
05:24:02 <kapow> i missed 5 damage on each of the initial rolls
05:24:19 <kapow> 53+50+38+36+40
05:24:37 <N2H4> I see.
05:24:59 <kapow> without Holy enhancement
05:25:37 <kapow> if i strike anything unholy each of those gets a +2d6
05:25:51 <kapow> !throw 5#2d6
05:25:51 <diebot> kapow, 5#2d6: [2d6=4,1] 5, [2d6=1,1] 2, [2d6=6,5] 11, [2d6=5,2] 7, [2d6=1,6] 7
05:26:13 <kapow> 58+52+49+43+47
05:26:16 <N2H4> 5 hits a round at 13? Monk?
05:26:34 <N2H4> or twf?
05:26:37 <kapow> 249 in 1 turn
05:26:40 <kapow> twf?
05:26:47 <N2H4> two weapon fighting
05:26:50 <kapow> no alchemist ^_^
05:26:54 <N2H4> Ah.
05:27:07 <kapow> Claw, Claw, Bite, Wing, Wing
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05:27:33 <kapow> all damage counted as cold iron and good alligned
05:28:17 <N2H4> Classy.
05:28:21 <N2H4> I seek comparison!
05:28:27 <kapow> lol
05:28:54 <N2H4> !throw 5#1d20+17; 2#1d20+13
05:28:54 <diebot> N2H4, 5#1d20+17: [1d20=9] 26, [1d20=18] 35, [1d20=2] 19, [1d20=17] 34, [1d20=14] 31; 2#1d20+13: [1d20=11] 24, [1d20=4] 17
05:29:09 <kapow> AC 26
05:29:19 <N2H4> So 4 hits?
05:29:25 <kapow> yup
05:29:28 <kapow> any threats?
05:29:37 <N2H4> No.
05:29:41 <kapow> make the 24 a hit to
05:29:43 <kapow> so 5 hits
05:29:51 <kapow> bit unfair to call the AC my lowest roll :P
05:30:45 <N2H4> !throw 2d6+24; 2d6+25; 2d6+26; 2d6+27; 2d6+28
05:30:45 <diebot> N2H4, 2d6+24: [2d6=2,5] 31; 2d6+25: [2d6=3,5] 33; 2d6+26: [2d6=5,2] 33; 2d6+27: [2d6=4,2] 33; 2d6+28: [2d6=2,4] 34
05:31:11 <kapow> 164 damage
05:31:23 <N2H4> Mhm. Only a level 11 though, and mostly a joke really.
05:31:40 <kapow> mine has no feats yet
05:32:02 <kapow> that was straight up attacks with strength bonus & items
05:32:14 <N2H4> how do you get cold iron natural attacks?
05:32:25 <kapow> sorry half feats
05:32:36 <kapow> it's one of the stepping stones to get wings for aasimar
05:32:42 <kapow> you have to take Aasimar blood
05:33:11 <kapow> to which one of the qualities you can choose is make all your natural weapons or unarmed attacks cold iron
05:33:24 <kapow> Steel: You gain a +1 natural armor bonus to AC, and your
05:33:25 <kapow> unarmed strikes or natural weapons count as cold iron
05:33:25 <kapow> for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
05:33:57 <kapow> !throw 1d6
05:33:57 <diebot> kapow, 1d6: [1d6=3] 3
05:34:01 <kapow> 252 damage
05:34:05 <kapow> forgot rending claws ^_^
05:34:12 <kapow> and I have pounce XP
05:34:51 <kapow> need to pick up 2 more feats
05:35:07 <kapow> and then 15th,17th,19th
05:41:05 <kapow> can you sunder something even without equipment?
05:41:22 <kapow> I mean can you full attack and still try to sunder at the same time
05:42:27 <N2H4> A sunder attempt IS an attack roll.
05:42:40 <N2H4> So yes, you can try to sunder something as part of a full attack.
05:43:16 <N2H4> Going back to my monk with a potential 7 attacks a round, that can be 7 sunders. I can sunder all kinds of shit. Or 4 attacks and 3 sunders. You get the point.
05:44:39 <kapow> yeah
05:46:33 <N2H4> The fun part to remember about this is that sunders and other combat maneuvers that take an attack action gain the appropriate benefits and penalties as a regular attack.
05:47:09 <N2H4> Wanna sunder a sword in some guy's hand far away? Charge his ass and get that +2.
05:54:31 <kapow> Pounce ^_^
05:54:36 <kapow> charge his ass and full round
05:54:53 <kapow> I changed it so I get Rend at 15th
05:55:01 <kapow> and have Greater Sunder at 9th
05:57:55 <kapow> !throw 2#1d20+26; 1d20+23; 2#1d20+20
05:57:56 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d20+26: [1d20=2] 28, [1d20=10] 36; 1d20+23: [1d20=10] 33; 2#1d20+20: [1d20=7] 27, [1d20=16] 36
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06:01:19 <kapow> !throw 2#1d8+7d6+2d6+14; 1d6+7; 2d6+7d6+2d6+14; 2#1d4+7d6+2d6+14
06:01:19 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d8+7d6+2d6+14: [1d8=7; 7d6=6,3,5,2,3,5,5; 2d6=5,4] 59, [1d8=7; 7d6=4,1,2,2,6,2,3; 2d6=3,4] 48; 1d6+7: [1d6=1] 8; 2d6+7d6+2d6+14: [2d6=6,4; 7d6=4,1,1,2,6,1,4; 2d6=6,5] 54; 2#1d4+7d6+2d6+14: [1d4=4; 7d6=5,4,3,5,2,4,3; 2d6=4,2] 50, [1d4=2; 7d6=2,5,2,1,6,5,1; 2d6=3,5] 46
06:01:42 <kapow> 265 points of damage
06:01:44 <kapow> ^_^
06:02:00 <kapow> apply that to your weapon and then yourself
06:02:01 <N2H4> Heres one for you though. A +1 sword does apply that +1 to sunder and disarm attempts while holding it. Does a +1 AoMF apply that bonus then to all CMBs you do unarmed?
06:02:34 <kapow> aomf?
06:02:40 <N2H4> amulet of mighty fists
06:03:16 <kapow> I'm not using an Amulet of Mighty Fists to give me any pluses
06:03:23 <kapow> i have a +3 amulet of mighty fists
06:03:37 <kapow> providing me Holy and either Deflection or Keen
06:03:43 <kapow> I haven't decided
06:04:07 <kapow> only way i could add more damage to those rolls is power attacking
06:04:51 <N2H4> I didn't say the question was relevant to you. I just asked a question.
06:04:59 <N2H4> Because I am unsure.
06:05:28 <kapow> if you where using it to bolster your enchantment bonues on your fists i'd say yes
06:05:42 <N2H4> what about a grapple? Bull rush?
06:05:52 <kapow> Permenancy - Magic Fang Greater +5 at caster level 20th ^_^
06:06:29 <kapow> sets you back 15,500gp per weapon you place it on
06:07:13 <kapow> and yes a monk would have to do it twice for both his fists XP
06:07:29 <kapow> and if he did he should name them something
06:07:38 <N2H4> Thunder and Lightning.
06:07:43 <kapow> and it would be glorious
06:07:52 <kapow> Ka and Pow
06:07:53 <N2H4> Hmm.
06:07:56 <kapow> would be mine ^_^
06:08:00 <N2H4> No More, and Mr. Nice Guy.
06:08:19 <kapow> I would need 5 names
06:08:51 <N2H4> Hmm.
06:09:14 <N2H4> Hmm.
06:09:18 <kapow> lol
06:09:20 <N2H4> Badass and Motherfucker, thats two.
06:09:35 <N2H4> Samuel, Leroy, and Jackson.
06:09:37 <N2H4> Bam. 5.
06:10:29 <kapow> Love, Hate, Bitey, Slappy, Flappy?
06:11:32 <N2H4> Well, you can't forget the Hammer.
06:11:59 <kapow> Claw, Claw, Bite, Wing, Wing.
06:12:22 <N2H4> Mary Kate and Ashley, the Hammer, Tia and Tamara.
06:13:23 <kapow> Marrie sounds better than Tamara in that sentence
06:13:54 <N2H4> Name the claws Fat Man and Little Boy.
06:15:33 <kapow> but it doesn't sound good
06:16:24 <kapow> "Oi boys, yas think i aughta introduce em to Love Hate Bitey Slappy and Flappy.
06:17:03 <kapow> nap time
06:31:24 <Avatar> Mekkis: good article
06:31:57 <Mort-> Was checking times
06:32:07 <Mort-> But I'm in godsmouth.
06:32:19 <Mort-> So can't be in 2 places at one go
06:32:41 <kapow> yeah she is in same game as me avatar
06:32:45 <kapow> week 3 of it :S
06:32:51 <Mort-> Yeah
06:33:12 <Mort-> And i can't believe you're carrying my morningstar on your belt
06:33:34 <Mort-> You went dungeon crawling without dr bypass?
06:34:10 * Mort- slippy slappies kapow with her tailie wailie
06:37:08 <Mort-> God there are times i wish i brought grull along instead
06:37:21 <Mort-> Aeryl isn't particularly..combative
06:39:01 * Mort- starts reading the book of vile darkness
06:48:36 * Steven punches mort right in the Spine...
06:50:45 <OsterGuard> That's a tad rude
06:51:02 <OsterGuard> Leave Mort and her tail to read in peace
06:51:17 <Steven> ill leave her alone when she has a tail.
06:51:29 <OsterGuard> I've seen it, remember
06:52:25 <Steven> nope
06:52:33 <Steven> thats not a natural tail.
06:52:46 <Steven> also... you never cared to inquire which spine i was punching her in
06:52:55 <OsterGuard> true
06:52:58 <OsterGuard> Which one?
06:53:10 <Steven> you'll have to ask mort.
06:53:36 <OsterGuard> mmkay
06:57:12 <OsterGuard> has anyone run a proper campaign before? If so, can I get some help?
06:57:43 <Steven> sup sup?
06:58:04 <OsterGuard> That means yes,
06:58:08 <OsterGuard> I take it?
06:58:36 <Steven> sometimes....
06:59:01 <OsterGuard> okayy then
06:59:09 <OsterGuard> in the campaign
06:59:11 <Mort-> Hi
06:59:19 <OsterGuard> Hi mort
06:59:32 <Mort-> I'm here
07:00:15 * Mort- walks close to Steven and channels negative energy
07:00:28 <OsterGuard> rgh
07:00:33 <OsterGuard> Give me a second mort
07:00:35 <Steven> DC?
07:00:43 <OsterGuard> I have to register my username
07:00:57 <Steven> !throw 1d20+5 Will Save
07:01:01 <diebot> Steven, Will Save: [1d20=14] 19
07:01:16 <Steven> methinks that i saved!
07:01:25 <kapow> !roll 1d100000
07:01:38 <kapow> !throw 1d100000
07:01:38 <diebot> kapow, 1d100000: [1d100000=59150] 59150
07:02:30 * kapow spirited charges mort smiting
07:02:42 <kapow> !roll 1d20+9
07:02:49 <kapow> !throw 1d20+9
07:02:50 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+9: [1d20=7] 16
07:03:20 <OsterGuard> I'm going to have at least the first part of the campaign be overthrowing the prince of the city
07:03:46 <OsterGuard> !throw 5d10 presence
07:03:46 <diebot> OsterGuard, presence: [5d10=4,8,9,3,7] 31
07:03:51 <Steven> that seems like it should be a large story arch
07:03:58 <OsterGuard> 3 successes :D
07:04:03 <OsterGuard> It is
07:04:33 <OsterGuard> I'm going to have the prince have 3/4 lieutenants
07:05:01 <OsterGuard> but how fleshed out does everything need to be?
07:05:21 <OsterGuard> lieutenants are going to be bosses of course
07:05:29 <Steven> decently fleshed out
07:05:33 <OsterGuard> and the prince will be all mysterious
07:05:38 <OsterGuard> How much is that?
07:05:38 <Steven> are you building a world from scratch
07:05:38 <OsterGuard> :P
07:05:41 <OsterGuard> Nope
07:05:47 <Steven> or basing it in another world?
07:05:54 <OsterGuard> It's World of Darkness
07:06:03 <OsterGuard> And set in san francisco
07:06:13 <mortswishytail> Hi
07:06:14 <OsterGuard> so vampire prince
07:06:32 <OsterGuard> hi
07:07:06 <Steven> well just make sure you have some backstory incase they get around combat through some roleplaying
07:07:30 <OsterGuard> yeah, definitely
07:08:21 <OsterGuard> How do I set it up though?
07:08:24 <OsterGuard> D:
07:09:52 <Steven> well... you have the prince, other then being head vamp... why do the liets serve him?
07:10:23 <Steven> you create a small framework for each liet
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07:10:38 <OsterGuard> okay
07:10:40 <Steven> and depending on which portion of the story they take place in
07:10:44 <Steven> you add more detail
07:10:50 <OsterGuard> okay
07:11:19 <Steven> the first guy they take down, maybe loves fighting, and collecting money and he is the weakling guy blah blah blah
07:11:28 <OsterGuard> okay
07:11:51 <Steven> second guy, a bit more backstory to him, maybe got into it for the right reasons but has some doubts
07:12:02 <OsterGuard> He's a vampire
07:12:07 <OsterGuard> They have no right reasons :P
07:12:10 <OsterGuard> But yeah
07:12:14 <OsterGuard> I get what you mean
07:12:17 <Steven> thats a poor presumption...
07:12:26 <OsterGuard> It pretty much says it in the rulebook
07:12:37 <Steven> bah! rulebooks!
07:12:40 <OsterGuard> ahah
07:12:50 <Steven> its a home brew... you get to change whatever the fuck you want
07:12:54 <OsterGuard> Good point
07:13:00 <OsterGuard> Yay ^^
07:13:17 <Steven> as long as it doesnt break mechanics down completely that is
07:13:52 <OsterGuard> yeah
07:13:56 <Steven> like a vampire being immune to sunlight, wood, garlic, crosses, decapitation and whatever other way you can think of killing one
07:14:02 <Steven> anyways
07:14:28 <Steven> the vamp could have had a sister that was very sick and dying
07:14:52 <Steven> so, the vamp that turned him told him if he became his servant he would save the sister
07:15:04 <Steven> bam turned him and then was like fuck yo sister go get me some cheetos
07:15:42 <Steven> anyways, every step up the ladder you add more detail that helps flesh out the story
07:15:59 <OsterGuard> okay
07:16:05 <OsterGuard> Sounds good
07:16:06 <OsterGuard> :)
07:16:08 <OsterGuard> Thanks
07:16:15 <OsterGuard> But what about plot hooks to start them on the whole "overthrowing the prince thing"?
07:16:33 <Steven> completely depends on your players
07:16:40 <OsterGuard> Okay
07:16:42 <Steven> in vampire there are rival houses right?
07:16:50 <Steven> i seem to remember that being the case
07:16:50 <OsterGuard> Clans, yeah
07:16:55 <OsterGuard> And factions
07:17:09 <Steven> well, then have them all show up at a recruitment drive
07:17:20 <Steven> ready and willing to be vamped out
07:17:35 <OsterGuard> I've got a setting
07:17:42 <OsterGuard> for the start
07:17:53 <OsterGuard> they're at a vamp-friendly night club
07:18:11 <Steven> shortly after they get turned, have it be raided by a faction from the prince
07:18:27 <OsterGuard> ooooh
07:18:30 <OsterGuard> Might change it then
07:18:31 <OsterGuard> yeah
07:18:48 <Steven> or add in some innocent NPC that cozies on up to a couple of the members in the party
07:19:00 <OsterGuard> hmm
07:19:06 <OsterGuard> So many options
07:19:14 <Steven> that then becomes blood stock
07:19:40 <Steven> if they all rocking low humanity scores go with power seeking
07:20:10 <Steven> if they all try to preserve their humanity go with the good ole fashioned slaughtering of some innocents
07:20:53 <OsterGuard> I think I'll stick with the night club, and have a bunch of guys from the prince come in and tell them that the night club isn't open game anymore and start firing off magnesium rounds
07:20:57 <OsterGuard> But then again...
07:22:43 <OsterGuard> maybe add in a mcguffin they steal
07:22:54 <OsterGuard> So the NPCs go after it
07:23:38 <Steven> then you could have the first liet show up and give em a tune up
07:23:55 <OsterGuard> mmm
07:23:57 <OsterGuard> yes
07:24:27 <Steven> really cementing the hate for the organization
07:24:49 <mortswishytail> The players are vamp?
07:28:07 <OsterGuard> yep
07:31:26 <OsterGuard> can you see my messages?
07:32:28 <OsterGuard> can you see my messages?
07:32:38 <Steven> yes
07:32:41 <OsterGuard> at least the ones i sent just before
07:32:42 <OsterGuard> ?
07:32:43 <Steven> sorry, im distracted
07:32:46 <OsterGuard> That's fine
07:32:58 <OsterGuard> I've been having problems on other IRC channels
07:40:02 <OsterGuard> I gotta go now
07:40:04 <OsterGuard> night
07:40:57 <Steven> see ya
07:41:05 <Steven> im going to try to sleep as well.
07:41:30 <Steven> this awake thing sucks just as bad as i have been lead to believe...
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08:37:51 <Mekkis> Wow
08:38:01 <Mekkis> Brunius noticed I put a new article on the site
08:38:20 <Mekkis> (Avatar, Ballig: I won't feel bad if you choose to remove it)
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09:14:11 <kapow> mekk i have your extension lead bringing it friday to ace's incase you didn't get my text
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09:18:38 <Mekkis> I did
09:18:42 <Mekkis> I was driving though
09:18:43 <Mekkis> thanks
09:19:22 <kapow> np man
09:19:34 <kapow> are you playing in the drafts friday?
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09:32:20 <Steven> what up
09:35:01 <kapow> taco
09:35:51 <Steven> quiche
09:42:01 <Steven> guess my grandma is talking about taking tomorrow off
09:42:09 <Steven> and going someplace
09:42:16 <Steven> since she gonna have 3 day weekend
09:53:29 <kapow> !roll 1d20+27; 1d20+25; 1d20+24; 2#1d20+23
09:53:30 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+27: [1d20=16] 43; 1d20+25: [1d20=7] 32; 1d20+24: [1d20=18] 42; 1d20+23: [1d20=5] 28, [1d20=5] 28
09:55:12 <kapow> !roll 2#2d6+7d6+20; 2d6+7d6+20; 2#1d4+7d6+15
09:55:13 <dicebot> kapow, 2d6+7d6+20: [2d6=4,4; 7d6=2,2,2,6,6,2,4] 52, [2d6=3,6; 7d6=2,5,2,4,4,5,6] 57; 2d6+7d6+20: [2d6=5,4; 7d6=5,4,6,1,2,2,3] 52; 1d4+7d6+15: [1d4=3; 7d6=1,1,6,6,1,4,1] 38, [1d4=2; 7d6=2,5,4,2,4,5,6] 45
09:55:47 <kapow> !roll 10d6
09:55:48 <dicebot> kapow, 10d6: [10d6=3,2,2,4,5,2,3,6,1,3] 31
09:55:56 <Steven> whatcha doin kapow?
09:55:59 <kapow> +7
09:56:07 <kapow> 288 points of damage
09:56:18 <kapow> playing with feats etc trying to squeeze more damage out :P
09:56:27 <kapow> 13th level alchemist
09:56:42 <Steven> oh boring.... alchemists....
09:56:59 <kapow> what do you think i am doing?
09:57:05 <kapow> then if it's boring and so predictable
09:57:08 <Steven> playing roll the dice...
09:57:22 <Steven> sorry, i shouldnt rain on your parade.
09:57:26 <kapow> but what am i doing with my alchemist
09:57:30 <Steven> yay alchemists!
09:57:34 <kapow> no come on why is my alchemist boring
09:57:47 <kapow> whats so unexciting about alchemists?
09:57:58 <Steven> ive just played/gmed for like 5 alchemists...
09:58:08 <kapow> and?
09:58:16 <kapow> thats not explaining why they are boring really
09:58:17 <Steven> and theres just not much variation
09:58:31 <Steven> oh we entering a dungeon...
09:58:38 <Steven> ill drink my mutagen
09:58:43 <kapow> there is ridiculous variation
09:59:06 <kapow> mutagen or cognategen?
09:59:13 <Steven> oh theres a group of mobs... ill throw a bomb reflex for half... DC 20+
09:59:21 <Steven> oh they all failed... yay half of them die
09:59:27 <kapow> My alchemist doesn't have bombs ^_^
09:59:34 * Steven hugs kapow
09:59:40 <kapow> well this one
09:59:41 <Steven> i like your alchemist already
09:59:50 <kapow> It has 2 claws a bite and 2 wings
09:59:57 <Steven> cool
10:00:14 <kapow> and is a mummy ^_^
10:00:24 <Steven> my friend walters barb/sorc/dragon disciple
10:00:48 <Steven> has two claws, gore, bite and wing attacks when he uses the form of the dragon
10:00:56 <Steven> it does tons of damage too
10:01:03 <kapow> see I have no gore
10:01:07 <kapow> or rake :(
10:01:14 <kapow> dunno how i could get them
10:01:46 <N2H4> hmm. barbarian levels could get you a gore.
10:02:09 <kapow> yeah but how much does it do and how many levels :P
10:02:14 <Steven> theres also a helmet that does it too
10:02:16 <N2H4> two.
10:02:17 <kapow> cause i doubt it's worth the dip
10:02:30 <kapow> 2 levels not worth the dip :P
10:02:38 <N2H4> though really, I'm not sure if you can gore and bite in the same round anyway.
10:02:38 <Steven> my friends build is all str...
10:02:56 <N2H4> Theres still the one attack per limb rule.
10:03:05 <kapow> STR 17, DEX 11, CON 14, INT 15, WIS 10, CHA 9
10:03:12 <Steven> logically probably not.... but this is PFS and so logic doesnt apply
10:03:24 <N2H4> You can get rake with feats.
10:03:39 <kapow> rake requires getting in grapple though
10:04:04 <kapow> which could go horribley wrong
10:04:30 <Steven> entering into combat could go horribly wrong... but thats kinda what pathfinders have to do
10:04:59 <Steven> anyone else interested in the PFS card game?
10:05:24 <N2H4> hey Kapow. What about boar style?
10:05:43 <kapow> if it requires not taking alchemist levels it's not worth it
10:05:59 <kapow> if it can be obtained through feats then it'd be worth looking at the dip
10:06:04 <N2H4> it requires two feats and a few ranks of intimidate.
10:06:22 <Steven> well the good version requires 9 ranks in intimidate
10:06:47 <kapow> I have like 7 skill points a level that parts not a problem
10:06:49 <N2H4> that gets you bleed damage
10:07:16 <kapow> is it bleed damage that stacks with other bleed damage but not multiple of itself?
10:07:38 <N2H4> isn't all bleed damage like that?
10:07:40 <Steven> bleed damage never stacks... only the highest level of bleed damage applies
10:07:58 <kapow> I'm too tired this second but your wrong steven
10:08:04 <kapow> there is one that specifically stacks
10:08:11 <kapow> i looked at it earlier why i asked the question
10:08:12 <Steven> specific trumps general
10:08:22 <N2H4> ooooh snap.
10:08:24 <N2H4> hes got you there.
10:08:24 <Steven> in general bleed damage never stacks
10:08:58 <Steven> im not apprised of every skill in the game, so usually i speak in general
10:10:03 <Steven> quiche is cooling on the stove..... smells so awesome.....
10:10:34 <Steven> anyways....
10:10:39 <N2H4> Yeah, I think boar style might be the quickest way to squeeze extra damage in.
10:10:48 <Steven> rend?
10:10:57 <kapow> I went sunder path
10:11:02 <kapow> instead of rend
10:11:25 <Steven> how many feats would it take you to get to rend?
10:11:34 <N2H4> does the power to apply sunder damage to the object and the person still exist?
10:11:37 <kapow> 1
10:11:46 <kapow> yes it does
10:11:55 <N2H4> What is that now?
10:12:00 <N2H4> I remember it in 3.5.
10:12:06 <kapow> I've pumped 4 feats into sunder path
10:12:15 <kapow> Greater Sunder
10:12:32 <kapow> lets you attack weapon until broken and lets you then deal remaining damage to the wielder
10:13:01 <N2H4> Nice.
10:13:07 <kapow> Sundering Strike the 4th step lets you attack the wielder and on any critical can sunder the weapon in addition
10:13:11 <N2H4> It was part of a tactical feat in 3.5.
10:13:30 <Steven> pretty good path really
10:13:48 <kapow> yeah why i went it over the 1d6 rend
10:13:55 <N2H4> Sunder's one of those funny things where its cool for the players and frowned upon for the DM.
10:14:20 <Steven> yeah, very few scenarios specifically try to ruin players gear
10:14:43 <Steven> which is good in my opinion...
10:15:06 <kapow> Angelic Blood (Steel), Weapon Focus (Claws), Power Attack, Improved Natural Attack (Claws), Multiattack, Angel Wings, Metallic Wings, Improved Sunder, Greater Sunder, Sundering Strike.
10:15:18 <N2H4> I agree. Especially in Society play where DM's can't really fix it on their own, and a character's income is rather locked in
10:16:07 <Steven> ive ran into several scenarios where the gold at the end didnt come close to what my character ausk could have looted
10:16:26 <Steven> valuable paintings, urns, all kinds of stuff...
10:16:34 <kapow> I think being able to become a mummy as an alchemist is awesome XP
10:16:45 <N2H4> You know.. 1 level dip in monk and 1 extra feat gets you to 1.5str on all attacks.
10:16:57 <N2H4> which also gets you 3 for 1 PAs.
10:17:39 <kapow> yes but eventually i sacrifice the ability to have +8 to DEX, STR & CON
10:18:12 <kapow> also if it applies to unarmed strike
10:18:18 <kapow> not natural attack
10:18:25 <kapow> unless i go for a 2-3 feat swim
10:18:28 <kapow> i can't apply it
10:18:41 <Steven> yeah pesky unarmed/natural attack difference
10:19:02 <kapow> sadly yes
10:19:11 <kapow> was thinking about the monk until found that bit
10:19:28 <kapow> can't use flurry etc
10:20:52 <N2H4> You have to admit though, that without that rule, things could get really out of control.
10:21:01 <Steven> for sure
10:21:38 <N2H4> Hi, I'm a level 11 monk. I full attack for 12 swings a round. Suck it.
10:21:58 <Steven> pfffffffffft level 11?
10:22:24 <Steven> cheesed you could prolly do it level 7
10:22:43 <Steven> dip alchemist and get extra limbs lol
10:23:45 <kapow> extra limbs don't add to attacks
10:24:06 <kapow> they can only be used to hold things or in place of a normal attack as a slam attack with the grapple option
10:24:32 <N2H4> well, I know a real monk can potentially get 7, so I figured 5 more was a pretty good ball park for over the top.
10:24:33 <kapow> you can use a limb to make one of your attacks but it doesn't give you any additional attacks
10:24:57 <Steven> probably not a bad estimate hydra
10:25:22 <Steven> gah! i want my grandma to be home so i can eat dinner
10:25:30 <Steven> stupid bill and his bitching!
10:25:39 <kapow> anyway nap time
10:53:05 <Steven> Avatar, are you here?
10:55:00 <Steven> I gotta go.
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11:10:05 <Steven> alright im back...
11:51:47 <kapow> can keen be applied to natural attacks?
11:51:55 <kapow> via an Amulet of Mighty Fists?
11:52:44 <kapow> keen states it can only be placed on melee weapons and natural attacks are melee weapons
12:04:42 <MekkisScreen> ok
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13:48:18 <Hydrazine> It also states that it can only be applied to piercing and slashing melee weapons.
13:48:39 <Hydrazine> So, I suppose it could be, aslong as the natural attacks are S or P.
14:10:33 <kapow> claws are slashing
14:10:39 <kapow> and bite is piercing
14:10:49 <kapow> as for wings I don't know what they are -.^
14:11:04 <kapow> slashing also
14:11:11 <kapow> so across the board
14:11:39 <kapow> the idea is an Aasimar Beastmorph/Vivisectionist Alchemist :P
14:12:04 <kapow> taking the aasimar feats Angelic Blood, Angel Wings & Metalic Wings
14:12:11 <kapow> feral mutagen
14:12:16 <kapow> 2x claw & Bite Primary
14:12:20 <kapow> 2x Wings Secondary
14:12:38 <kapow> step into flank
14:12:47 <kapow> 5 attacks with chance of sneak attack ^_^
14:12:47 <Mekkis> I'm sure I could make a summoner that does 12 attacks a around by 7
14:13:04 <kapow> then rend on the claws
14:15:21 <Mekkis> hell, I could make it do 12 attacks a round by level 2
14:15:35 <Mekkis> (please disregard the horrible attack modifiers)
14:16:47 <Mekkis> hmm
14:16:51 <Mekkis> level 4
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Eidolon: base form Humanoid.
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Evolutions:
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Limbs (legs)*
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Limbs (arms)*
14:20:52 <Mekkis> claws
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Evolution Pool (9 points: class 7, favoured +1, extra +1)
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Limbs (arms)x4
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Hooves
14:20:52 <Mekkis> Feats include Martial Weapon Proficiency.
14:20:52 <Mekkis> STR 18
14:20:52 <Mekkis> BAB +3
14:20:52 <Mekkis> attacks:
14:20:52 <Mekkis> rapier +4 (1d6+4), 8 rapiers +0 (1d6+2), 2 hooves +2 (1d4+2)
14:21:19 <Mekkis> (use Lesser Evolution Surge for another 2 rapiers)
15:20:27 <kapow> !roll 2#1d20+21
15:20:48 <kapow> !throw 2#1d20+21
15:20:48 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d20+21: [1d20=5] 26, [1d20=19] 40
15:20:55 <kapow> !throw 1d20+20
15:20:55 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+20: [1d20=15] 35
15:21:12 <kapow> !throw 2#1d20+15
15:21:12 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d20+15: [1d20=11] 26, [1d20=13] 28
15:22:17 <kapow> !roll 2#1d8+7d6+9
15:22:19 <N2H4> Yeah! You throw those dice.
15:22:22 <N2H4> Throw em gooooood.
15:22:29 <kapow> !throw 2#1d8+7d6+9
15:22:29 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d8+7d6+9: [1d8=7; 7d6=6,4,2,5,4,5,6] 48, [1d8=8; 7d6=5,5,6,2,3,2,5] 45
15:23:35 <kapow> !throw 2d6+7d6+14
15:23:35 <diebot> kapow, 2d6+7d6+14: [2d6=5,1; 7d6=5,1,4,3,1,2,2] 38
15:23:41 <N2H4> hey Kapow.
15:23:44 <N2H4> Whatcha doooooooooooooin?
15:23:54 <kapow> !throw 2#1d4+7d6+14
15:23:54 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d4+7d6+14: [1d4=2; 7d6=5,2,5,2,2,3,1] 36, [1d4=4; 7d6=4,3,2,6,5,1,1] 40
15:24:10 <kapow> testing a full round attack with a level 13 character
15:24:19 <kapow> i missed 5 damage on each of the initial rolls
15:24:36 <kapow> 53+50+38+36+40
15:24:55 <N2H4> I see.
15:25:17 <kapow> without Holy enhancement
15:25:55 <kapow> if i strike anything unholy each of those gets a +2d6
15:26:09 <kapow> !throw 5#2d6
15:26:09 <diebot> kapow, 5#2d6: [2d6=4,1] 5, [2d6=1,1] 2, [2d6=6,5] 11, [2d6=5,2] 7, [2d6=1,6] 7
15:26:31 <kapow> 58+52+49+43+47
15:26:34 <N2H4> 5 hits a round at 13? Monk?
15:26:51 <N2H4> or twf?
15:26:55 <kapow> 249 in 1 turn
15:26:57 <kapow> twf?
15:27:04 <N2H4> two weapon fighting
15:27:08 <kapow> no alchemist ^_^
15:27:12 <N2H4> Ah.
15:27:24 <kapow> Claw, Claw, Bite, Wing, Wing
15:27:51 <kapow> all damage counted as cold iron and good alligned
15:28:35 <N2H4> Classy.
15:28:39 <N2H4> I seek comparison!
15:28:44 <kapow> lol
15:29:11 <N2H4> !throw 5#1d20+17; 2#1d20+13
15:29:11 <diebot> N2H4, 5#1d20+17: [1d20=9] 26, [1d20=18] 35, [1d20=2] 19, [1d20=17] 34, [1d20=14] 31; 2#1d20+13: [1d20=11] 24, [1d20=4] 17
15:29:27 <kapow> AC 26
15:29:37 <N2H4> So 4 hits?
15:29:43 <kapow> yup
15:29:46 <kapow> any threats?
15:29:54 <N2H4> No.
15:29:59 <kapow> make the 24 a hit to
15:30:00 <kapow> so 5 hits
15:30:09 <kapow> bit unfair to call the AC my lowest roll :P
15:31:02 <N2H4> !throw 2d6+24; 2d6+25; 2d6+26; 2d6+27; 2d6+28
15:31:03 <diebot> N2H4, 2d6+24: [2d6=2,5] 31; 2d6+25: [2d6=3,5] 33; 2d6+26: [2d6=5,2] 33; 2d6+27: [2d6=4,2] 33; 2d6+28: [2d6=2,4] 34
15:31:29 <kapow> 164 damage
15:31:41 <N2H4> Mhm. Only a level 11 though, and mostly a joke really.
15:31:58 <kapow> mine has no feats yet
15:32:20 <kapow> that was straight up attacks with strength bonus & items
15:32:31 <N2H4> how do you get cold iron natural attacks?
15:32:43 <kapow> sorry half feats
15:32:53 <kapow> it's one of the stepping stones to get wings for aasimar
15:33:00 <kapow> you have to take Aasimar blood
15:33:29 <kapow> to which one of the qualities you can choose is make all your natural weapons or unarmed attacks cold iron
15:33:42 <kapow> Steel: You gain a +1 natural armor bonus to AC, and your
15:33:42 <kapow> unarmed strikes or natural weapons count as cold iron
15:33:43 <kapow> for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction.
15:34:14 <kapow> !throw 1d6
15:34:15 <diebot> kapow, 1d6: [1d6=3] 3
15:34:19 <kapow> 252 damage
15:34:23 <kapow> forgot rending claws ^_^
15:34:30 <kapow> and I have pounce XP
15:35:09 <kapow> need to pick up 2 more feats
15:35:25 <kapow> and then 15th,17th,19th
15:41:22 <kapow> can you sunder something even without equipment?
15:41:39 <kapow> I mean can you full attack and still try to sunder at the same time
15:42:45 <N2H4> A sunder attempt IS an attack roll.
15:42:57 <N2H4> So yes, you can try to sunder something as part of a full attack.
15:43:34 <N2H4> Going back to my monk with a potential 7 attacks a round, that can be 7 sunders. I can sunder all kinds of shit. Or 4 attacks and 3 sunders. You get the point.
15:44:57 <kapow> yeah
15:46:51 <N2H4> The fun part to remember about this is that sunders and other combat maneuvers that take an attack action gain the appropriate benefits and penalties as a regular attack.
15:47:26 <N2H4> Wanna sunder a sword in some guy's hand far away? Charge his ass and get that +2.
15:54:49 <kapow> Pounce ^_^
15:54:53 <kapow> charge his ass and full round
15:55:10 <kapow> I changed it so I get Rend at 15th
15:55:18 <kapow> and have Greater Sunder at 9th
15:55:23 <Steven> geeze.... did all of act 3 and 4 on d3 on inferno... zero legendaries
15:57:19 <Brunius> What are these
15:58:13 <kapow> !throw 2#1d20+26; 1d20+23; 2#1d20+20
15:58:13 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d20+26: [1d20=2] 28, [1d20=10] 36; 1d20+23: [1d20=10] 33; 2#1d20+20: [1d20=7] 27, [1d20=16] 36
16:01:36 <kapow> !throw 2#1d8+7d6+2d6+14; 1d6+7; 2d6+7d6+2d6+14; 2#1d4+7d6+2d6+14
16:01:36 <diebot> kapow, 2#1d8+7d6+2d6+14: [1d8=7; 7d6=6,3,5,2,3,5,5; 2d6=5,4] 59, [1d8=7; 7d6=4,1,2,2,6,2,3; 2d6=3,4] 48; 1d6+7: [1d6=1] 8; 2d6+7d6+2d6+14: [2d6=6,4; 7d6=4,1,1,2,6,1,4; 2d6=6,5] 54; 2#1d4+7d6+2d6+14: [1d4=4; 7d6=5,4,3,5,2,4,3; 2d6=4,2] 50, [1d4=2; 7d6=2,5,2,1,6,5,1; 2d6=3,5] 46
16:02:00 <kapow> 265 points of damage
16:02:01 <kapow> ^_^
16:02:17 <kapow> apply that to your weapon and then yourself
16:02:18 <N2H4> Heres one for you though. A +1 sword does apply that +1 to sunder and disarm attempts while holding it. Does a +1 AoMF apply that bonus then to all CMBs you do unarmed?
16:02:52 <kapow> aomf?
16:02:58 <N2H4> amulet of mighty fists
16:03:34 <kapow> I'm not using an Amulet of Mighty Fists to give me any pluses
16:03:41 <kapow> i have a +3 amulet of mighty fists
16:03:55 <kapow> providing me Holy and either Deflection or Keen
16:04:00 <kapow> I haven't decided
16:04:24 <kapow> only way i could add more damage to those rolls is power attacking
16:05:09 <N2H4> I didn't say the question was relevant to you. I just asked a question.
16:05:16 <N2H4> Because I am unsure.
16:05:45 <kapow> if you where using it to bolster your enchantment bonues on your fists i'd say yes
16:05:59 <N2H4> what about a grapple? Bull rush?
16:06:10 <kapow> Permenancy - Magic Fang Greater +5 at caster level 20th ^_^
16:06:32 <MekkisScreen> what?
16:06:47 <kapow> sets you back 15,500gp per weapon you place it on
16:06:55 <MekkisScreen> thinking of making an eidolon with maximum attacks
16:07:10 <MekkisScreen> maybe with Butterfly Sting
16:07:31 <kapow> and yes a monk would have to do it twice for both his fists XP
16:07:47 <kapow> and if he did he should name them something
16:07:56 <N2H4> Thunder and Lightning.
16:08:01 <kapow> and it would be glorious
16:08:10 <kapow> Ka and Pow
16:08:11 <N2H4> Hmm.
16:08:14 <kapow> would be mine ^_^
16:08:18 <N2H4> No More, and Mr. Nice Guy.
16:08:36 <kapow> I would need 5 names
16:09:09 <N2H4> Hmm.
16:09:31 <N2H4> Hmm.
16:09:36 <kapow> lol
16:09:37 <N2H4> Badass and Motherfucker, thats two.
16:09:53 <N2H4> Samuel, Leroy, and Jackson.
16:09:55 <N2H4> Bam. 5.
16:10:47 <kapow> Love, Hate, Bitey, Slappy, Flappy?
16:11:50 <N2H4> Well, you can't forget the Hammer.
16:12:16 <kapow> Claw, Claw, Bite, Wing, Wing.
16:12:40 <N2H4> Mary Kate and Ashley, the Hammer, Tia and Tamara.
16:13:41 <kapow> Marrie sounds better than Tamara in that sentence
16:14:12 <N2H4> Name the claws Fat Man and Little Boy.
16:15:51 <kapow> but it doesn't sound good
16:16:42 <kapow> "Oi boys, yas think i aughta introduce em to Love Hate Bitey Slappy and Flappy.
16:17:21 <kapow> nap time
16:23:04 <Brunius> http://i.imgur.com/9BwfM.png
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16:34:25 <Avatar> I saw a funny thread that asked for the most possible natural attacks on a character
16:34:31 <Avatar> with a footnote (without being a synthesist)
16:34:36 <Avatar> I thought that was funny
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16:47:14 <Brunius> Avatar: Suggest PvP options at level 10, in 3.5
16:55:19 <N2H4> Wizard.
16:57:05 <Brunius> Obscure sources to pull OP shit from?
16:58:30 <Steven> faiths of balance
16:59:04 <Steven> i dont actually know, im just throwing that out there
17:01:53 <Mekkis> Brunius, how OP do you want?
17:02:26 <Mekkis> you CAN get Shapechange at level 5, IIRC
17:02:53 <Brunius> From the sound of it it's QQ but at level 10 instead
17:03:08 <Mekkis> do you get any round of prep time?
17:05:28 <Mekkis> You can always do the whole Anthropomorphic Giant Squid wielding an eight-handed lance
17:05:36 <Mekkis> and do 4-digit damage...
17:06:26 <Brunius> Sounds like no prep time
17:06:36 <Mekkis> then do the squid
17:07:50 <Mekkis> unless you have enough money to buy the Siege Crab
17:08:54 <Mekkis> leadership feat allowed?
17:09:44 <Brunius> I believe so
17:09:47 <Avatar> more summonz?
17:10:13 <Mekkis> ride a Beacon Moth (2000gp for eggs, 3000gp young) (from Dragon Magazine issue 322)
17:10:14 <Avatar> I don't even like pvp brunius
17:10:23 <Avatar> my pvp option in QQ was a level 20 expert to try and think creatively
17:10:54 <Mekkis> yeah. Exploit Ghandi's weaknesses.
17:11:13 <Mekkis> and do Anthropomorphic Giant Squid
17:11:20 <Mekkis> (Savage Species)
17:11:37 <Mekkis> with levels in War Hulk (from Miniatures Handbook)
17:14:31 <Mekkis> the idea is to charge and kill the wizards before they can do anything
17:16:59 <Avatar> before they can summon anything
17:27:09 <Mekkis> sure
17:27:17 <Mekkis> summon is full-round :)
17:27:36 <Mekkis> (and with 20' reach, it's unlikely that they can summon something to stop you killing them)
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18:24:23 <Steven> probably Brooklyn, West Virginian, Texan, Californian probably surfer boy or valley girl, and then if i can get it right maybe North Dakota
18:24:59 <Steven> brunius.... what you doin?
18:25:11 <Brunius> According to Avatar I'm DMing FS2
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18:26:34 <OsterGuard> hey all
18:26:39 <OsterGuard> I'm back :P
18:27:18 <Mekkis> what do you study?
18:27:47 <Steven> hey oster
18:27:56 <Steven> Brunius is about to run First steps part 2 for us?
18:27:57 <OsterGuard> me?
18:28:06 <Mekkis> yes.
18:28:07 <OsterGuard> I'm still in high school
18:28:07 <Mekkis> you
18:28:11 <Brunius> Nah not enough people 's not running
18:28:13 <OsterGuard> So the usual
18:28:21 <OsterGuard> Maths
18:28:22 Steven is now known as Honey
18:28:23 <OsterGuard> English
18:28:25 <OsterGuard> Chem
18:28:26 <Honey> Im totaly ready lol
18:28:28 <OsterGuard> Physics
18:28:36 Honey is now known as Steven
18:28:39 <Brunius> Which Math
18:28:43 <OsterGuard> 3ab
18:28:47 <OsterGuard> year 11
18:28:48 <Steven> whats your area of specialty?
18:28:56 <Steven> or is this highschool?
18:29:01 <OsterGuard> highschool
18:29:07 <Steven> alright....
18:29:15 <Brunius> Hmm, I should start reading out subjects too
18:29:18 <Brunius> Just to confuse the issue
18:29:24 <Brunius> Mathematical Methods
18:29:25 <OsterGuard> ahahah
18:29:26 <Brunius> English
18:29:27 <Brunius> Chem
18:29:30 <Brunius> Physics
18:29:35 <Brunius> Nah, not Chem this year
18:29:36 <Mekkis> Brunius, you're not doing the "nerd five"?
18:29:37 <Brunius> IT this year
18:29:39 <Brunius> Chem next year
18:29:47 <Brunius> 'nerd five'?
18:29:56 <OsterGuard> I'm GMing for the first time in a couple weeks :D
18:30:04 <Mekkis> Maths B, Maths C, Physics, Chemistry, English
18:30:06 <Brunius> Is this Further MM 1+2 MM 3+4 AGM and Spesh?
18:30:21 <Brunius> There is no Maths B or Maths C where I live
18:30:36 <Brunius> I'd guess that Math B equates to Methods
18:30:42 <Brunius> And C to AGM and Specialist
18:30:47 <Mekkis> whatever they two highest forms of maths are
18:30:54 <OsterGuard> that's about it
18:30:56 <Steven> good for you oster!
18:31:00 <OsterGuard> ^^
18:31:01 <Steven> what are you going to GM?
18:31:02 <Brunius> Yeah, I'm doing the equivalent of Math B and the first half of Math C
18:31:04 <Brunius> And all the rest
18:31:20 <OsterGuard> I'm running Vampire: the Requiem for a couple friends
18:31:33 <Brunius> I might do the latter half of math C if I do decently in the first half
18:32:07 <Mekkis> I didn't do chemistry
18:32:30 <Mekkis> I did B, C, physics, economics, graphics and english
18:32:46 <Mekkis> (consider doing graphics - it opens doors and perspectives)
18:32:50 <OsterGuard> I'm reading the nWoD core rulebook, the V:tR rulebook and a 300 page GMing book
18:32:54 <Mekkis> (and helps you print out PFS maps)
18:32:55 <OsterGuard> So much reading...
18:33:10 <OsterGuard> ahaha
18:33:34 <OsterGuard> All I have to do is get a map of San Francisco
18:33:35 <OsterGuard> :P
18:33:58 <Mekkis> why not just set it in Brisbane instead?
18:34:16 <OsterGuard> Why Brisbane?
18:34:20 <OsterGuard> That where you are?
18:34:23 <OsterGuard> I'm in Perth
18:34:42 <Steven> yeah, my understanding of vamp was that it didnt NEED to be in a specific city
18:34:46 <Mekkis> because it's not good to run something too close to home :S
18:35:09 <N2H4> pssh. screw maps. Just make up stuff.
18:35:22 <OsterGuard> It doesn't, but the story, for lack of a better word, that I'm writing relies on San Fran
18:36:06 <OsterGuard> The Prince has set up something most nefarious in what used to be Alcatraz
18:37:20 <N2H4> step one, learn just a little about any major landmarks in the city. Step 2, make up the rest. This especially works when noone in the game has ever actually been there.
18:37:39 <Brunius> Ha
18:38:22 <N2H4> Consider how much it matters that you look up maps for a city you make for a homebrew.
18:38:31 <OsterGuard> haha
18:38:55 <OsterGuard> I'm definitely running a PF campaign next
18:39:05 <OsterGuard> Jesus it's hard to write for WoD
18:39:08 <N2H4> Seriously. Its a game, not a 'Perfect simulation of San Fran'
18:39:21 <OsterGuard> I know
18:39:26 <OsterGuard> I'm making up tonnes
18:39:34 <OsterGuard> tons*
18:39:55 <OsterGuard> wait
18:40:00 <OsterGuard> Which one is correct?
18:40:12 <N2H4> Tons, in my American english.
18:40:16 <N2H4> It might actually be different for you.
18:40:20 <Brunius> It's tonnes
18:40:25 <Brunius> Always tonnes
18:40:54 <N2H4> Now see, Brunius might be right. Or he could be trolling you.
18:41:01 <Brunius> Brunius is right.
18:41:28 <Mekkis> I thought there was a difference
18:41:46 <OsterGuard> ahah
18:42:22 <OsterGuard> How many of you have played vampire?
18:42:47 <N2H4> I've played other WoD stuff.
18:42:52 <Mekkis> one is the imperial ton and the other is the metric tonne
18:43:06 <OsterGuard> yeah
18:43:09 <Mekkis> ton = 2000lb, tonne = 1000kg
18:43:20 <OsterGuard> What've you played N2?
18:43:26 <N2H4> Which is why I gave the American answer.
18:43:28 <N2H4> Oh yeah.
18:43:30 N2H4 is now known as Hydrazine
18:43:37 <OsterGuard> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
18:43:42 <OsterGuard> That's who you are
18:43:46 <OsterGuard> What's with N2?
18:43:47 <Avatar> oh yeah
18:43:54 <Mekkis> OsterGuard, this is why you do chemistry
18:43:58 <Hydrazine> Um. Hunter and Mage.
18:44:09 <OsterGuard> ohhhh
18:44:16 <Hydrazine> I learned that with a few sessions life mages get OP.
18:44:23 <Avatar> is that like snow white and the huntsman
18:44:51 <Hydrazine> Um. Ever seen the show Supernatural?
18:45:01 <Hydrazine> A better name would be Hunter: The Television Series.
18:45:03 <Avatar> yeah, but only like 1 or 2 eps
18:45:13 <OsterGuard> ahaha
18:45:17 <OsterGuard> Love that show
18:45:47 <Hydrazine> I had alot of fun playing Hunter. More so than Mage I think.
18:45:57 <Hydrazine> Not because the mechanics are more engaging. Just a better campaign.
18:46:06 <OsterGuard> okay
18:46:24 <OsterGuard> I'm actually giving the characters a '67 impala
18:46:26 <OsterGuard> :P
18:46:27 <OsterGuard> Black
18:46:38 <Hydrazine> Dork.
18:46:47 <OsterGuard> ^^
18:47:16 <Hydrazine> My hunter was a bartender. And then I got a little frustrated because we didn't really have much use for face skills for a while.
18:49:34 <OsterGuard> Face skills?
18:49:45 <Steven> diplo, intimidation, bluff
18:49:50 <Steven> you know, social interaction
18:49:52 <Hydrazine> Bartender. Good at talking to people, getting information.
18:50:00 <Hydrazine> And mixing drinks.
18:50:29 <Steven> once played in some campaign... think it was warewolf or darkness or vampire... i dunno
18:51:16 <Steven> and the DM gave us all flaws, mine were coffee addiction and intolerance of swearing
18:51:38 <OsterGuard> ahhhh
18:51:40 <OsterGuard> k
18:51:57 <OsterGuard> The DM shouldn't give you your flaws
18:52:05 <Steven> had fun all the way until role playing my character we run into a place and everyone we meet is swearing
18:52:28 <Steven> so naturally, i roleplay accordingly and get penalized for it....
18:52:49 <Steven> by getting beat half to death and smacked with a hospital bill of like five grand
18:53:02 <OsterGuard> ahahahahah
18:53:03 <Steven> was totaly lame....
18:53:04 <OsterGuard> Fun
18:53:09 <Hydrazine> Kind of a dick move by the DM.
18:53:14 <OsterGuard> yeah
18:53:23 <Steven> i know
18:53:36 <Steven> the character was basically lets be a pain in the ass to steve
18:53:39 <Steven> cause i curse a lot
18:53:43 <Steven> and i dont drink coffee
18:53:59 <OsterGuard> lol
18:54:22 <Steven> on the plus side i did get the ability of True Sight
18:54:26 <Steven> which i never got to use correctly
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18:54:53 <Steven> because the DM(Tony) had situations planned out how he wanted them to go
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18:55:24 <Steven> like once we were chasing this lady who was on foot, while we were in a car, poof she disappears,
18:55:36 <Steven> im in the passenger seat, and im like okay so, i can still see her
18:55:41 <Steven> and tony was like no you cant
18:55:52 <OsterGuard> he sounds like a shitty DM
18:55:52 <Steven> and i was like yeah i have true sight, hand him my character sheet
18:55:56 <Steven> and he was like okay you see her
18:56:08 <Steven> and im like okay i relay instructions to the driver
18:56:24 <Steven> and hes like okay the lady runs down a side street
18:56:32 <Steven> and im like i tell the lady to turn
18:56:41 <Steven> and hes like okay, she turns down the wrong street
18:56:55 <Steven> DM 1 Creative Solutions 0
18:57:06 <Steven> and it was lots of little things like that
18:57:31 <Steven> he also GM'd 3.0 and 3.5
18:57:51 <Steven> luckily i never had to put up with that
18:58:03 <Steven> he did play magic though, and god was he ever a sore looser
18:58:12 <OsterGuard> wow
18:58:15 <Hydrazine> Man.
18:58:22 <OsterGuard> I'm making sure I never do these things
18:58:24 <OsterGuard> :P
18:58:32 <Hydrazine> I spent most of my tabletop experiences with two AWESOME DMs.
18:58:50 <Steven> i remember once he built this hand reveal/discard deck
18:59:07 <Steven> with slivers
18:59:13 <Brunius> Oh god
18:59:29 <OsterGuard> Never played magic
18:59:35 <OsterGuard> What does that mean?
18:59:37 <Steven> and it was basically, he taps a sliver, names a card you reveal your hand, discard the card if its the one he named
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18:59:50 <Steven> and he just repeated that until you had no hand
19:00:00 <Steven> then alpha for the win
19:00:24 <Steven> and i got tired trying to beat it with my mono black
19:00:32 <Steven> so i switched to my UW control
19:01:05 <Steven> and proceeded to basically tell him no all the time
19:01:13 <Steven> whenever he went for his combo
19:01:25 <Brunius> Yeah
19:01:36 <Brunius> That's basically what I do with my current deck
19:01:48 <Brunius> "Combo piece? Cool story, oh look a cancel"
19:01:50 <Steven> and after 3 games he got so pissy he tried to tell me my deck was illegal.
19:02:22 <Steven> it was during zendikar block
19:03:58 <Steven> cause i just kept fatesealing his top cards with jace and putting the discard slivers on the bottom of his library
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19:07:00 <OsterGuard> fun
19:32:38 <Steven> what up
19:35:19 <kapow> taco
19:36:09 <Steven> quiche
19:42:19 <Steven> guess my grandma is talking about taking tomorrow off
19:42:27 <Steven> and going someplace
19:42:33 <Steven> since she gonna have 3 day weekend
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19:53:47 <kapow> !roll 1d20+27; 1d20+25; 1d20+24; 2#1d20+23
19:53:48 <dicebot> kapow, 1d20+27: [1d20=16] 43; 1d20+25: [1d20=7] 32; 1d20+24: [1d20=18] 42; 1d20+23: [1d20=5] 28, [1d20=5] 28
19:55:30 <kapow> !roll 2#2d6+7d6+20; 2d6+7d6+20; 2#1d4+7d6+15
19:55:31 <dicebot> kapow, 2d6+7d6+20: [2d6=4,4; 7d6=2,2,2,6,6,2,4] 52, [2d6=3,6; 7d6=2,5,2,4,4,5,6] 57; 2d6+7d6+20: [2d6=5,4; 7d6=5,4,6,1,2,2,3] 52; 1d4+7d6+15: [1d4=3; 7d6=1,1,6,6,1,4,1] 38, [1d4=2; 7d6=2,5,4,2,4,5,6] 45
19:56:05 <kapow> !roll 10d6
19:56:05 <dicebot> kapow, 10d6: [10d6=3,2,2,4,5,2,3,6,1,3] 31
19:56:14 <Steven> whatcha doin kapow?
19:56:17 <kapow> +7
19:56:24 <kapow> 288 points of damage
19:56:36 <kapow> playing with feats etc trying to squeeze more damage out :P
19:56:45 <kapow> 13th level alchemist
19:57:00 <Steven> oh boring.... alchemists....
19:57:16 <kapow> what do you think i am doing?
19:57:23 <kapow> then if it's boring and so predictable
19:57:25 <Steven> playing roll the dice...
19:57:40 <Steven> sorry, i shouldnt rain on your parade.
19:57:44 <kapow> but what am i doing with my alchemist
19:57:47 <Steven> yay alchemists!
19:57:51 <kapow> no come on why is my alchemist boring
19:58:05 <kapow> whats so unexciting about alchemists?
19:58:16 <Steven> ive just played/gmed for like 5 alchemists...
19:58:25 <kapow> and?
19:58:34 <kapow> thats not explaining why they are boring really
19:58:35 <Steven> and theres just not much variation
19:58:49 <Steven> oh we entering a dungeon...
19:58:55 <Steven> ill drink my mutagen
19:59:00 <kapow> there is ridiculous variation
19:59:24 <kapow> mutagen or cognategen?
19:59:31 <Steven> oh theres a group of mobs... ill throw a bomb reflex for half... DC 20+
19:59:39 <Steven> oh they all failed... yay half of them die
19:59:45 <kapow> My alchemist doesn't have bombs ^_^
19:59:52 * Steven hugs kapow
19:59:58 <kapow> well this one
19:59:59 <Steven> i like your alchemist already
20:00:08 <kapow> It has 2 claws a bite and 2 wings
20:00:14 <Steven> cool
20:00:32 <kapow> and is a mummy ^_^
20:00:42 <Steven> my friend walters barb/sorc/dragon disciple
20:01:06 <Steven> has two claws, gore, bite and wing attacks when he uses the form of the dragon
20:01:13 <Steven> it does tons of damage too
20:01:21 <kapow> see I have no gore
20:01:25 <kapow> or rake :(
20:01:32 <kapow> dunno how i could get them
20:02:03 <N2H4> hmm. barbarian levels could get you a gore.
20:02:27 <kapow> yeah but how much does it do and how many levels :P
20:02:32 <Steven> theres also a helmet that does it too
20:02:33 <N2H4> two.
20:02:35 <kapow> cause i doubt it's worth the dip
20:02:42 <***> Buffer Playback...
20:02:42 <***> Playback Complete.
20:02:48 <kapow> 2 levels not worth the dip :P
20:02:56 <N2H4> though really, I'm not sure if you can gore and bite in the same round anyway.
20:02:56 <Steven> my friends build is all str...
20:03:14 <N2H4> Theres still the one attack per limb rule.
20:03:22 <kapow> STR 17, DEX 11, CON 14, INT 15, WIS 10, CHA 9
20:03:29 <Steven> logically probably not.... but this is PFS and so logic doesnt apply
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20:03:42 <N2H4> You can get rake with feats.
20:03:57 <kapow> rake requires getting in grapple though
20:04:21 <kapow> which could go horribley wrong
20:04:48 <Steven> entering into combat could go horribly wrong... but thats kinda what pathfinders have to do
20:05:17 <Steven> anyone else interested in the PFS card game?
20:05:42 <N2H4> hey Kapow. What about boar style?
20:06:01 <kapow> if it requires not taking alchemist levels it's not worth it
20:06:16 <kapow> if it can be obtained through feats then it'd be worth looking at the dip
20:06:22 <N2H4> it requires two feats and a few ranks of intimidate.
20:06:40 <Steven> well the good version requires 9 ranks in intimidate
20:07:05 <kapow> I have like 7 skill points a level that parts not a problem
20:07:06 <N2H4> that gets you bleed damage
20:07:34 <kapow> is it bleed damage that stacks with other bleed damage but not multiple of itself?
20:07:56 <N2H4> isn't all bleed damage like that?
20:07:58 <Steven> bleed damage never stacks... only the highest level of bleed damage applies
20:08:16 <kapow> I'm too tired this second but your wrong steven
20:08:21 <kapow> there is one that specifically stacks
20:08:29 <kapow> i looked at it earlier why i asked the question
20:08:30 <Steven> specific trumps general
20:08:40 <N2H4> ooooh snap.
20:08:41 <N2H4> hes got you there.
20:08:42 <Steven> in general bleed damage never stacks
20:09:16 <Steven> im not apprised of every skill in the game, so usually i speak in general
20:10:21 <Steven> quiche is cooling on the stove..... smells so awesome.....
20:10:52 <Steven> anyways....
20:10:57 <N2H4> Yeah, I think boar style might be the quickest way to squeeze extra damage in.
20:11:06 <Steven> rend?
20:11:15 <kapow> I went sunder path
20:11:19 <kapow> instead of rend
20:11:43 <Steven> how many feats would it take you to get to rend?
20:11:51 <N2H4> does the power to apply sunder damage to the object and the person still exist?
20:11:55 <kapow> 1
20:12:04 <kapow> yes it does
20:12:13 <N2H4> What is that now?
20:12:17 <N2H4> I remember it in 3.5.
20:12:24 <kapow> I've pumped 4 feats into sunder path
20:12:33 <kapow> Greater Sunder
20:12:50 <kapow> lets you attack weapon until broken and lets you then deal remaining damage to the wielder
20:13:19 <N2H4> Nice.
20:13:25 <kapow> Sundering Strike the 4th step lets you attack the wielder and on any critical can sunder the weapon in addition
20:13:29 <N2H4> It was part of a tactical feat in 3.5.
20:13:48 <Steven> pretty good path really
20:14:05 <kapow> yeah why i went it over the 1d6 rend
20:14:13 <N2H4> Sunder's one of those funny things where its cool for the players and frowned upon for the DM.
20:14:38 <Steven> yeah, very few scenarios specifically try to ruin players gear
20:15:01 <Steven> which is good in my opinion...
20:15:24 <kapow> Angelic Blood (Steel), Weapon Focus (Claws), Power Attack, Improved Natural Attack (Claws), Multiattack, Angel Wings, Metallic Wings, Improved Sunder, Greater Sunder, Sundering Strike.
20:15:36 <N2H4> I agree. Especially in Society play where DM's can't really fix it on their own, and a character's income is rather locked in
20:16:25 <Steven> ive ran into several scenarios where the gold at the end didnt come close to what my character ausk could have looted
20:16:44 <Steven> valuable paintings, urns, all kinds of stuff...
20:16:52 <kapow> I think being able to become a mummy as an alchemist is awesome XP
20:17:03 <N2H4> You know.. 1 level dip in monk and 1 extra feat gets you to 1.5str on all attacks.
20:17:14 <N2H4> which also gets you 3 for 1 PAs.
20:17:57 <kapow> yes but eventually i sacrifice the ability to have +8 to DEX, STR & CON
20:18:30 <kapow> also if it applies to unarmed strike
20:18:36 <kapow> not natural attack
20:18:43 <kapow> unless i go for a 2-3 feat swim
20:18:46 <kapow> i can't apply it
20:18:59 <Steven> yeah pesky unarmed/natural attack difference
20:19:20 <kapow> sadly yes
20:19:29 <kapow> was thinking about the monk until found that bit
20:19:45 <kapow> can't use flurry etc
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20:21:10 <N2H4> You have to admit though, that without that rule, things could get really out of control.
20:21:19 <Steven> for sure
20:21:56 <N2H4> Hi, I'm a level 11 monk. I full attack for 12 swings a round. Suck it.
20:22:16 <Steven> pfffffffffft level 11?
20:22:42 <Steven> cheesed you could prolly do it level 7
20:23:01 <Steven> dip alchemist and get extra limbs lol
20:24:03 <kapow> extra limbs don't add to attacks
20:24:23 <kapow> they can only be used to hold things or in place of a normal attack as a slam attack with the grapple option
20:24:50 <N2H4> well, I know a real monk can potentially get 7, so I figured 5 more was a pretty good ball park for over the top.
20:24:51 <kapow> you can use a limb to make one of your attacks but it doesn't give you any additional attacks
20:25:15 <Steven> probably not a bad estimate hydra
20:25:40 <Steven> gah! i want my grandma to be home so i can eat dinner
20:25:47 <Steven> stupid bill and his bitching!
20:25:57 <kapow> anyway nap time
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20:31:06 <Avatar> Mekkis: good article
20:31:39 <Mort-> Was checking times
20:31:49 <Mort-> But I'm in godsmouth.
20:32:01 <Mort-> So can't be in 2 places at one go
20:32:24 <kapow> yeah she is in same game as me avatar
20:32:27 <kapow> week 3 of it :S
20:32:33 <Mort-> Yeah
20:32:54 <Mort-> And i can't believe you're carrying my morningstar on your belt
20:33:16 <Mort-> You went dungeon crawling without dr bypass?
20:33:52 * Mort- slippy slappies kapow with her tailie wailie
20:36:50 <Mort-> God there are times i wish i brought grull along instead
20:37:03 <Mort-> Aeryl isn't particularly..combative
20:38:43 * Mort- starts reading the book of vile darkness
20:48:18 * Steven punches mort right in the Spine...
20:50:28 <OsterGuard> That's a tad rude
20:50:44 <OsterGuard> Leave Mort and her tail to read in peace
20:50:59 <Steven> ill leave her alone when she has a tail.
20:51:11 <OsterGuard> I've seen it, remember
20:52:07 <Steven> nope
20:52:16 <Steven> thats not a natural tail.
20:52:28 <Steven> also... you never cared to inquire which spine i was punching her in
20:52:37 <OsterGuard> true
20:52:40 <OsterGuard> Which one?
20:52:52 <Steven> you'll have to ask mort.
20:53:18 <OsterGuard> mmkay
20:53:23 <Steven> Avatar, are you here?
20:55:18 <Steven> I gotta go.
20:56:54 <OsterGuard> has anyone run a proper campaign before? If so, can I get some help?
20:57:25 <Steven> sup sup?
20:57:46 <OsterGuard> That means yes,
20:57:50 <OsterGuard> I take it?
20:58:18 <Steven> sometimes....
20:58:43 <OsterGuard> okayy then
20:58:51 <OsterGuard> in the campaign
20:58:53 <Mort-> Hi
20:59:01 <OsterGuard> Hi mort
20:59:14 <Mort-> I'm here
20:59:58 * Mort- walks close to Steven and channels negative energy
21:00:10 <OsterGuard> rgh
21:00:16 <OsterGuard> Give me a second mort
21:00:17 <Steven> DC?
21:00:25 <OsterGuard> I have to register my username
21:00:39 <Steven> !throw 1d20+5 Will Save
21:00:43 <diebot> Steven, Will Save: [1d20=14] 19
21:00:58 <Steven> methinks that i saved!
21:01:08 <kapow> !roll 1d100000
21:01:20 <kapow> !throw 1d100000
21:01:20 <diebot> kapow, 1d100000: [1d100000=59150] 59150
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21:02:24 <kapow> !roll 1d20+9
21:02:32 <kapow> !throw 1d20+9
21:02:32 <diebot> kapow, 1d20+9: [1d20=7] 16
21:03:02 <OsterGuard> I'm going to have at least the first part of the campaign be overthrowing the prince of the city
21:03:28 <OsterGuard> !throw 5d10 presence
21:03:29 <diebot> OsterGuard, presence: [5d10=4,8,9,3,7] 31
21:03:33 <Steven> that seems like it should be a large story arch
21:03:40 <OsterGuard> 3 successes :D
21:03:46 <OsterGuard> It is
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21:04:16 <OsterGuard> I'm going to have the prince have 3/4 lieutenants
21:04:43 <OsterGuard> but how fleshed out does everything need to be?
21:05:03 <OsterGuard> lieutenants are going to be bosses of course
21:05:11 <Steven> decently fleshed out
21:05:15 <OsterGuard> and the prince will be all mysterious
21:05:20 <OsterGuard> How much is that?
21:05:20 <Steven> are you building a world from scratch
21:05:21 <OsterGuard> :P
21:05:23 <OsterGuard> Nope
21:05:29 <Steven> or basing it in another world?
21:05:36 <OsterGuard> It's World of Darkness
21:05:45 <OsterGuard> And set in san francisco
21:05:56 <mortswishytail> Hi
21:05:56 <OsterGuard> so vampire prince
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21:06:15 <OsterGuard> hi
21:06:48 <Steven> well just make sure you have some backstory incase they get around combat through some roleplaying
21:07:12 <OsterGuard> yeah, definitely
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21:08:03 <OsterGuard> How do I set it up though?
21:08:06 <OsterGuard> D:
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21:09:34 <Steven> well... you have the prince, other then being head vamp... why do the liets serve him?
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21:10:05 <Steven> you create a small framework for each liet
21:10:21 <OsterGuard> okay
21:10:22 <Steven> and depending on which portion of the story they take place in
21:10:23 <Steven> alright im back...
21:10:27 <Steven> you add more detail
21:10:32 <OsterGuard> okay
21:11:01 <Steven> the first guy they take down, maybe loves fighting, and collecting money and he is the weakling guy blah blah blah
21:11:10 <OsterGuard> okay
21:11:33 <Steven> second guy, a bit more backstory to him, maybe got into it for the right reasons but has some doubts
21:11:44 <OsterGuard> He's a vampire
21:11:50 <OsterGuard> They have no right reasons :P
21:11:52 <OsterGuard> But yeah
21:11:56 <OsterGuard> I get what you mean
21:11:59 <Steven> thats a poor presumption...
21:12:08 <OsterGuard> It pretty much says it in the rulebook
21:12:19 <Steven> bah! rulebooks!
21:12:22 <OsterGuard> ahah
21:12:32 <Steven> its a home brew... you get to change whatever the fuck you want
21:12:37 <OsterGuard> Good point
21:12:42 <OsterGuard> Yay ^^
21:12:59 <Steven> as long as it doesnt break mechanics down completely that is
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21:13:35 <OsterGuard> yeah
21:13:38 <Steven> like a vampire being immune to sunlight, wood, garlic, crosses, decapitation and whatever other way you can think of killing one
21:13:44 <Steven> anyways
21:14:11 <Steven> the vamp could have had a sister that was very sick and dying
21:14:34 <Steven> so, the vamp that turned him told him if he became his servant he would save the sister
21:14:47 <Steven> bam turned him and then was like fuck yo sister go get me some cheetos
21:15:24 <Steven> anyways, every step up the ladder you add more detail that helps flesh out the story
21:15:41 <OsterGuard> okay
21:15:47 <OsterGuard> Sounds good
21:15:48 <OsterGuard> :)
21:15:50 <OsterGuard> Thanks
21:15:57 <OsterGuard> But what about plot hooks to start them on the whole "overthrowing the prince thing"?
21:16:16 <Steven> completely depends on your players
21:16:23 <OsterGuard> Okay
21:16:24 <Steven> in vampire there are rival houses right?
21:16:32 <Steven> i seem to remember that being the case
21:16:32 <OsterGuard> Clans, yeah
21:16:37 <OsterGuard> And factions
21:16:51 <Steven> well, then have them all show up at a recruitment drive
21:17:02 <Steven> ready and willing to be vamped out
21:17:17 <OsterGuard> I've got a setting
21:17:24 <OsterGuard> for the start
21:17:35 <OsterGuard> they're at a vamp-friendly night club
21:17:53 <Steven> shortly after they get turned, have it be raided by a faction from the prince
21:18:09 <OsterGuard> ooooh
21:18:12 <OsterGuard> Might change it then
21:18:13 <OsterGuard> yeah
21:18:31 <Steven> or add in some innocent NPC that cozies on up to a couple of the members in the party
21:18:42 <OsterGuard> hmm
21:18:49 <OsterGuard> So many options
21:18:56 <Steven> that then becomes blood stock
21:19:22 <Steven> if they all rocking low humanity scores go with power seeking
21:19:52 <Steven> if they all try to preserve their humanity go with the good ole fashioned slaughtering of some innocents
21:20:35 <OsterGuard> I think I'll stick with the night club, and have a bunch of guys from the prince come in and tell them that the night club isn't open game anymore and start firing off magnesium rounds
21:20:39 <OsterGuard> But then again...
21:22:25 <OsterGuard> maybe add in a mcguffin they steal
21:22:37 <OsterGuard> So the NPCs go after it
21:23:21 <Steven> then you could have the first liet show up and give em a tune up
21:23:37 <OsterGuard> mmm
21:23:39 <OsterGuard> yes
21:24:10 <Steven> really cementing the hate for the organization
21:24:31 <mortswishytail> The players are vamp?
21:27:50 <OsterGuard> yep
21:31:09 <OsterGuard> can you see my messages?
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21:32:10 <OsterGuard> can you see my messages?
21:32:21 <Steven> yes
21:32:23 <OsterGuard> at least the ones i sent just before
21:32:24 <OsterGuard> ?
21:32:25 <Steven> sorry, im distracted
21:32:28 <OsterGuard> That's fine
21:32:40 <OsterGuard> I've been having problems on other IRC channels
21:39:45 <OsterGuard> I gotta go now
21:39:46 <OsterGuard> night
21:40:39 <Steven> see ya
21:40:47 <Steven> im going to try to sleep as well.
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21:41:12 <Steven> this awake thing sucks just as bad as i have been lead to believe...
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22:05:00 <MekkisScreen> ok
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22:19:11 <Mekkis> is it true that Australia generally doesn't stamp an Australian passport on entry or exit to Australia?
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23:05:08 * Mekkis glomps Mort-
23:18:41 <Mekkis> wow
23:18:44 <Mekkis> a new BOFH!
23:18:49 * Mekkis is excited
23:24:36 <Mort-> What's that?
23:24:45 <Mort-> What's a glomp?
23:24:50 <Mort-> And a bofh?
23:26:36 <Mekkis> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/18/bofh_2012_episode_9/
23:43:42 <Mekkis> Mort-, you should read the BOFH
23:43:51 <Mekkis> http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/
23:49:00 <Mort-> Too tech
23:49:05 <Mort-> Don't geddit
23:49:19 <Mekkis> you're missing out!
23:49:20 <Mort-> Some kind of geek story
23:49:33 <Mort-> Probably more hydras taste then mine
23:50:17 <Mort-> I didnt think you could get excited mek
23:51:37 <Mort-> I learnt some things today though
23:51:52 <Mekkis> that's good
23:52:11 * Mort- reads undead creation for dummies. A guide for the rest of us
23:52:31 <Mort-> The thing is i have no idea what you would want tons of undead for
23:52:38 <Mekkis> nor do I
23:52:46 <Mort-> If canon fodder they block your way to the bad guns
23:52:47 <Mekkis> I don't see the point of any
23:52:48 <Mort-> Guys
23:53:09 <Mort-> From what i read there isn't really a way to increase their damage by much
23:53:30 <Mort-> Again can you argue the same about summoned creatures?
23:53:49 <Mort-> How much can 3 small earth elementals do
23:56:35 <Mort-> On the other hand if you decide you lack space you can always summon lantern archons
23:56:49 <Mort-> A shit ton of them for kicks
23:57:07 <Mekkis> they're pretty effective, earth elementals
23:57:24 <Mekkis> put it this way, at 6th level, Itzamna generally summoned them
23:57:26 <Mort-> How much can 3 small ones do
23:57:29 <Mekkis> 1d3 earth elementals
23:57:35 <Mekkis> 1d8+7 damage, iirc
23:57:36 <Mort-> Small ones?
23:57:39 <Mekkis> yeah
23:57:45 <Mort-> At how much to hit?
23:57:52 <Mekkis> +6 I think
23:57:59 <Mort-> I'm doing 1d6+12 at 7
23:58:09 <Mekkis> earth mastery and power attack
23:58:11 <Mort-> Rapid. Multishot
23:58:18 <Mort-> And whatever
23:59:00 <Mort-> I think the issue is space though
23:59:17 <Mort-> A pc will definitely do more damage then a summon
23:59:29 <Mort-> Btw mek are you using augmented summon?
23:59:50 <Mekkis> no
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