// #d&d — 2012-10-23
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00:01:35 <Sn0uu> 4 bait
00:03:04 <Mekkis> long story short: Please don't use additional resources you don't own. The table GM probably won't do anything about it, but it's bad for everyone.
00:03:12 Caleth has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
00:04:09 <fued> cant you just link to online resources?
00:04:28 <Steven> if you buy the Core, APG, UC, UM, and UE you will have more options than you will ever get to play.
00:04:49 <fued> ive only got the Core and APG on order at the moment, hoping that will be enough lol
00:05:08 <Steven> imo, get the pdfs, it saves a great deal of money
00:05:20 <Steven> you can buy all the PDFs for just over the price of one of the books
00:05:25 <Steven> in hardcover
00:05:45 <Mekkis> fued, the Core Rulebook is Enough
00:06:14 <fued> im not just playing tho, im trying to design a game based around the system, so its all claimed back on tax anyway
00:06:48 <Mekkis> I claim all the office supplies I use for PFS as a business expense.
00:06:56 <Mekkis> I should probably extend that to the scenarios
00:07:10 <Steven> lol
00:07:29 <Sn0uu> i need to leave
00:07:33 <Steven> see ya
00:07:33 <Sn0uu> ttyl prob
00:07:42 <Mekkis> my business was $57 in the black last year!
00:07:53 <Steven> go go mekkis!
00:08:14 <fued> mines sitting on $0 at the moment.. reluctant to release my first iphone game in the new iphone6 store
00:08:22 <fued> they messed everything up for new releases :(
00:09:52 <Mekkis> fued, it's not negative?
00:10:34 <Mekkis> Steven, what's your opinion about printing pirated PDFs of hardcovers you own?
00:10:57 <LoveLynx> Fine I would say
00:11:39 <LoveLynx> Odd pages of rules and classes, not reprinting the book a couple times over, that's pushing it
00:12:44 <MekkisScreen> that's what I do: the relevent pages are with my character sheets
00:12:56 <MekkisScreen> I often also bring the book, but not always
00:13:14 <LoveLynx> hardcovers are just that little bit too cumbersome
00:13:48 <MekkisScreen> yeah. I don't want to bring my copy of the Advanced Race Guide
00:14:20 <MekkisScreen> or Rise of the Runelords Anneversary Edition
00:14:33 <fued> well not unless you count the cost of my time
00:18:27 <MekkisScreen> not paying for a development machine?
00:20:17 <fued> already had them all set up and licenses from hobby development, guess i could count them
00:20:46 <fued> only just quit my job making websites to start up a inde game company lol
00:21:42 <Steven> alright back
00:21:58 <Steven> I believe printing pirated material is the same as using pirated material
00:22:47 <Steven> My friend Midgard gave me PDFs of the core assumption when i first started out so i could build a character or two and see if i enjoyed the game.
00:23:12 <Steven> Once i knew i would be playing the game, i started replacing them.
00:23:28 <Steven> Finished out my core assumptiong earlier this month with my purchase of beast 3
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00:26:17 <Steven> my first character Folnor used a feat not in the core assumption so i bought Gnomes of Golarion about a week and a half after i started playing
00:26:24 <Steven> rather a trait
00:29:11 <Steven> man its raining fierce here
00:29:22 <fued> sunny here lol
00:29:30 <Steven> lucky you....
00:29:37 <Steven> imma have to put another log on the fire soon
00:29:49 <fued> im freezing, yet its around 30c outside... my office stores cold lol
00:32:09 <Steven> its like 6C here
00:35:24 <fued> do you think theres room for a second pathfinder game aimed at a more casual storybased audience rather than the fancy online one thats in development?
00:35:57 <Steven> i know not of which you speak
00:36:33 <fued> video game
00:36:49 <Steven> oh man..... its pounding down
00:37:59 <MekkisScreen> I believe that if you pay for them, you can legally format-shift them. Australian copyright law supports this
00:38:47 <fued> would it? i thought a reproduction of thier IP would be against the law
00:48:57 <Steven> dude this is awesome
00:48:58 <Steven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KB53H3-qOWk#!
00:49:08 <Steven> i would so totally watch that movie
00:51:59 <MekkisScreen> fued: format-shifting is specifically legal in Australia
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01:08:27 <MekkisScreen> ~fued: it's hard to have something casual, story based
01:08:49 <MekkisScreen> to play in a campaign, you need a fair amount of committment
01:10:23 <fued> an instanced multiplayer choose ur own adventure with isometric battle engine lol
01:10:30 <fued> based on pathfinder ruleset
01:12:10 <MekkisScreen> 0
01:21:46 <fued> i got a write up on it here http://codepad.org/0ylPeASx if you want to read about it
01:43:30 <Steven> oh man.....
01:43:44 <Steven> i am so freakin bored...
01:44:22 <Brunius> Do my english homework for me
01:44:42 <Steven> bwaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
01:44:42 <Steven> no
01:44:50 <Steven> i mean i would but ide fail it on purpose
02:02:06 <Hydrazine> He'd write a whole essay about your teacher's mom.
02:02:59 <Brunius> Do it.
02:03:03 <Steven> hell of a lady....
02:03:18 <Steven> well once you knock the cobwebs down from between her thighs
02:06:17 <Hydrazine> Make sure you talk about the time you did the Nervous Porcupine with her.
02:06:46 <Brunius> Oh yeah, I forgot about format-shifting being specifically legal here
02:06:54 <Brunius> MekkisScreen
02:07:21 <Steven> no, thats just crude...
02:07:43 <Steven> ill write about the time i invited 6 of my friends over to run the train
02:29:45 <MekkisScreen> £ Brunius
02:52:26 <MekkisScreen> hat does The Brune want?
03:04:36 <MekkisScreen> !recentsheets
03:04:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 21 00:08 443 Sargon
03:04:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 21 00:07 431 Gustav
03:04:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 21 00:07 379 Sparky
03:04:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 20 00:07 333 Bairaq
03:04:41 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 14 00:08 447 Butaro
03:04:52 <MekkisScreen> wow
03:04:59 <MekkisScreen> !history 333
03:05:01 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r36 | vpsirc | 2012-10-20 00:09:08 -0400 (Sat, 20 Oct 2012) | 1 line
03:05:01 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r4 | vpsirc | 2012-07-21 02:54:28 -0400 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012) | 1 line
03:05:01 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r3 | initial load | 2012-07-21 00:05:09 -0400 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012) | 1 line
03:05:12 <MekkisScreen> !diff 333 r4
03:05:13 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/333r4.txt
03:05:48 <Brunius> Wow?
03:13:06 <MekkisScreen> Bairaq is one year older
03:13:12 <MekkisScreen> and bought a headband
03:13:17 <Brunius> How dare he be one year older
03:13:31 <MekkisScreen> everyone knows how lovely you look with a headband
03:22:02 <Mekkis> :)
03:35:59 <Avatar> yo
03:44:03 <Sn0uu> how'd u do that?
03:44:06 <Sn0uu> do they all have that?
03:44:15 <Sn0uu> !feat Combat Casting
03:44:15 <diebot> Sn0uu, COMBAT CASTING [] You are adept at spellcasting when threatened or distracted.
03:44:15 <diebot> Benefit: You get a +4 bonus on concentration checks made to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability when casting on the defensive or while grappled. Source: Core
03:56:53 <Brunius> Avatar: Can you run wonders in the weave 2 soon
03:59:13 <Avatar> I'll do it next weekend
03:59:27 <Avatar> can't do it this sunday
04:00:45 <Brunius> Mekkis: Is a pearl of power worth it?
04:01:32 <Avatar> for what class
04:01:39 <Brunius> Paladin
04:01:57 <Avatar> probably near-vital isn't it
04:02:04 <Avatar> lots of good spells, hardly any spell slots
04:02:18 <Avatar> don't underestimate how tough season 4 is
04:02:25 <Brunius> I've played season 4 man
04:02:29 <Avatar> then you know
04:02:31 <Brunius> Was quite nice
04:02:42 <Brunius> Didn't just stab them and they died like before
04:02:47 <Brunius> it's stab stab stab die instead
04:02:54 <Avatar> much more fun
04:03:15 <Avatar> I can't tell you how irritating it is as a GM when you finally land a hit on a PC and do like 4 damage a round
04:03:32 * Brunius slaps his tin can
04:03:46 <Avatar> I reckon that's what makes GMs want to destroy their players
04:04:08 <Steven> i usually ramp up the difficulty the more cheese a group has
04:04:13 <Avatar> how
04:04:18 <Avatar> in PFS you can't really
04:04:20 <Steven> by not being nice
04:04:26 <Avatar> I don't be nice
04:04:33 <Avatar> doesn't change your dice rolls
04:04:43 <Avatar> I don't fudge dice to hit when it should miss
04:05:46 <Steven> ive had a couple of players builds where the monk has an AC of 35 or so at around level 5 after fully buffing themselves
04:06:06 <Steven> and does the crane style
04:06:19 <Steven> so the boss is like miss miss miss miss one hit, oh its deflected.
04:06:27 <Avatar> hahaha
04:07:07 <Avatar> that's a bit like mekkis' character who flies with a lance and spirited charge
04:07:16 <Brunius> Grolschmir
04:07:20 <Avatar> yes that's the one
04:07:44 <Steven> yeah we had a person do that, they made it to level 6 and then bobby mutilated their corpse and made it unable to be recovered.
04:07:59 <Brunius> Sounds like bobby
04:08:03 <Steven> yup
04:08:05 <Avatar> you have to tell me about that one
04:08:14 <Avatar> in pm I don't want mekkis to know
04:08:23 <Avatar> then I will GM for him
04:08:24 <Steven> oh.... gotcha....
04:08:25 <Ballig> pm it to me too
04:08:39 <Brunius> pm it to me too
04:08:48 <Avatar> me first
04:09:02 <Ballig> then me second
04:09:08 <Brunius> them me fourth
04:09:19 <Ballig> do Avatar third
04:09:20 <Ballig> as well as first
04:10:36 <Avatar> once is enough
04:10:42 <Brunius> he is just joking
04:10:46 <Brunius> he really wants it thrice
04:12:05 <Brunius> Avatar: When you sent foxit to me the other day
04:12:17 <Brunius> Did it really just have an exe in the rar file?
04:12:26 <Avatar> yep
04:12:34 <Avatar> it was probably just rar'd like that because there was no other way to send an exe
04:12:35 <Brunius> What, one type of compression wasn't enough?
04:12:41 <Avatar> it's just an installer
04:12:56 <Avatar> messengers complain a lot when you try and send exe's
04:12:59 <Avatar> they don't complain about rar's
04:13:39 <Steven> there avatar knows
04:13:54 <Avatar> yeah it is top notch advice
04:13:57 <Avatar> bobby is my new hero
04:19:00 <Mekkis> Brunius, passworded 7z file works
04:59:39 <MekkisScreen> why do people want to kill poor Grolschmir so much?
05:06:33 <Brunius> Because they see him as overpowered
05:07:25 <garaleos> not my cart
05:07:32 <garaleos> but it didnt do any of the 2
05:07:50 <garaleos> the purchase button sais "in your downloads" now
05:07:54 <garaleos> but its not there
05:07:55 <MekkisScreen> I'll know if Avatar's going to try and kill Grolschmir
05:08:02 <garaleos> just send it to me lol
05:08:15 <MekkisScreen> (He's already stated that he won't DM for Grolschmir)
05:08:57 <Ballig> it's there
05:09:01 <Ballig> you have to go to "My Downloads"
05:09:04 <Ballig> and scroll down to the list of items
05:09:18 <Brunius> How is he going to kill him if he won't DM for him
05:09:27 <MekkisScreen> exactly
05:10:26 <Brunius> I will concede that firefly is decent
05:10:40 <garaleos> oh jesus
05:10:44 <garaleos> i had to scroll down
05:10:45 <garaleos> fml
05:10:52 <Brunius> #firstworldproblems
05:11:40 <Ballig> #hashtagsonirc
05:11:58 <Brunius> #arethecoolestthingever
05:12:45 <fued> lots and lots of underground cave dungeons? lol
05:12:54 <Brunius> Seriously though, where did this whole hashtag thing originate
05:12:56 <Brunius> It's stupid.
05:13:02 <Brunius> Accidental fireballs?
05:13:12 <Ballig> twitter
05:13:23 <Brunius> Ah, I guess that explains it
05:13:50 <Ballig> hash tags are used to mark messages on twitter into categories, so you can search hash tags to see all messages marked with it
05:13:59 <Ballig> they pretty much don't work on any other platform
05:14:15 <Brunius> But what if anyone wants to categorise our chat logs
05:14:25 <Brunius> Maybe we should all start using hash tags
05:15:33 <Ballig> okay #imusinghashtagsnow
05:16:06 <Brunius> that's the spirit #imusinghashtagsnow
05:16:28 <fued> monsters which really love grease spells
05:21:04 <garaleos> omg
05:21:13 <garaleos> i think i need a premade char to start with
05:21:17 <Ballig> you forgot your hash tags
05:21:28 <Brunius> cmon man #gottausehashtags
05:22:39 <MekkisScreen> so Brunius: when is Bairaq getting his wand of Holy Sword?
05:22:49 <Brunius> Probably when he can afford it
05:22:53 <Brunius> How much is it, anyway?
05:22:57 <MekkisScreen> start saving
05:22:58 <MekkisScreen> :)
05:23:35 <garaleos> hey Avatar
05:24:28 <garaleos> is there a way to get fast into the action and then learn all the stuff to create a character? cause i cant read all the stuff from the different books just to build a char for a game i have never played
05:24:58 <Ballig> pregens
05:25:14 <garaleos> like i have 20 points for the scores. fine. but then i m getting this -X modifiers for who knows what reasons, and i dont really know what scores i need for the class i want
05:25:24 <garaleos> where are these pregens you speak of stranger
05:26:45 <Ballig> http://paizo.com/pathfinderSociety/playerResources
05:26:51 <Ballig> right hand side, under "Pregenerated Characters"
05:30:20 <garaleos> thx
05:30:28 <garaleos> ther are no paladins in the pregens?
05:30:41 <Mekkis> no
05:30:47 <garaleos> k ill be a cleric then
05:33:12 <Mekkis> greetings Kyra
05:33:39 <garaleos> ;P
05:33:43 <garaleos> i can rename right?
05:33:47 <Mekkis> yep
05:33:51 <garaleos> and gender
05:33:57 <garaleos> not race though i assume
05:34:38 <garaleos> so yes on the gender change?
05:34:55 <Mekkis> you can change anything on it
05:35:03 <garaleos> race also? o_O
05:35:10 <garaleos> that doesnt change the scores and stuff?
05:35:52 <Mekkis> of course
05:36:44 <garaleos> screw it
05:36:47 <garaleos> ill be human
05:39:51 <Avatar> human is good
05:40:31 <Avatar> choose a class first
05:40:51 <Avatar> you only need to read the PFS guide for what steps to take in character creation, and refer to the core rulebook as it tells you to
05:43:23 <garaleos> well the pregen will do for now
05:43:46 <garaleos> i like dwarves but i rather get into the game asap
05:57:11 <garaleos> so what would be my Prestige?
05:57:15 <garaleos> nule? xP
05:57:21 <garaleos> null*
05:57:38 <garaleos> adventurer, what?
05:57:39 <Avatar> 0
05:57:41 <garaleos> ok
05:57:57 <Avatar> you get prestige when you finish either the main mission or faction missions, or both
06:02:31 <garaleos> yeah i just didnt know how to express my current status
06:02:34 <garaleos> ok i think im done
06:02:41 <garaleos> if you care to revise it
06:02:54 <garaleos> or w/e
06:03:25 <garaleos> i only have 1 solid doubt about it: i put the skills in the spells tab
06:03:31 <garaleos> duno if thats correct
06:07:24 <garaleos> k so im gona change my nick
06:08:59 <papadeitor> ballig i joined the game, let me know if the sheet is not correct
06:09:23 <Ballig> are you certain that the time is okay for you?
06:10:11 <Ballig> it will be like 2am Saturday morning your time
06:11:28 <Avatar> :o)
06:11:42 <Ballig> :o)
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06:14:50 <papadeitor> yeah
06:17:07 <papadeitor> do you usually play at that time?
06:17:20 <papadeitor> cause its not ideal for me
06:17:42 <Ballig> depends on the game and who's running it
06:17:50 <Ballig> a lot of games start 5 or 6 hours earlier than that
06:18:02 <papadeitor> ok then im gona leave it
06:18:49 <papadeitor> its too late. i wana play asap but thats not the best offer time wise
06:20:29 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
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06:22:30 <papadeitor> any games happen during the week?
06:23:26 <Ballig> not usually
06:24:30 <papadeitor> did you see the sheet btw?
06:26:32 <Ballig> what is the character name
06:26:49 <papadeitor> its saved as Ignir but the name is Helios
06:27:12 <papadeitor> duno why that happened but w/e
06:28:02 <papadeitor> i guess ill just name him Ignir
06:28:48 <Ballig> is that the pregen
06:28:52 <papadeitor> yeah
06:29:46 <Ballig> you put the full total in the ability bit of skills
06:30:34 <papadeitor> in the ability scores?
06:30:37 <Ballig> e.g. the pregen sheet says that diplomacy is +6
06:30:45 <papadeitor> oh
06:30:47 <Ballig> that's actually made up of 1 rank, +3 class bonus, and +2 charisma
06:31:41 <papadeitor> hmm
06:31:45 <papadeitor> not quite following
06:32:10 <papadeitor> i wrote +6
06:32:10 <Ballig> the Ability column of skills will always be the modifier you have for the ability that is associated with that skill
06:32:13 <papadeitor> didnt touch the total
06:32:19 <Ballig> for example, Diplomacy's ability is Charisma
06:32:31 <Ballig> so the ability column must be your Charisma modifier, which is +2
06:32:33 <Ballig> you put +6 in there
06:32:47 <Brunius> http://imgur.com/a/BHCC7
06:34:08 <papadeitor> so i just put +0 ?
06:34:15 <Ballig> what did I say should be there? :p
06:34:40 <papadeitor> +2 i guess
06:34:43 <Ballig> yeah
06:34:54 <papadeitor> i gota change all the + i touched then
06:35:03 <papadeitor> on the skills
06:35:16 <Ballig> the total for the skill (in the case of Diplomacy, 6) should equal the rest of that line
06:35:24 <Ballig> so you have 1 rank and a +2 ability
06:35:32 <Ballig> means that you have a +3 bonus from somewhere that you haven't put in there yet
06:35:37 <Ballig> in this case, it's the +3 class bonus
06:35:50 <Ballig> if a skill is a class skill for you, and you have at least 1 rank in that skill, you get a +3 bonus to it
06:35:52 <papadeitor> ok let me check that
06:36:15 <papadeitor> ah alright
06:37:26 <papadeitor> k what about perception. im guessing its a racial ,and the pregen said +3 on it
06:37:33 <papadeitor> im guessing thats the total
06:37:54 <papadeitor> so that cant be trained so it shouldnt have a rank either?
06:37:59 <Avatar> pay what you want for interplay games: http://www.gog.com/interplay/?pp=e1a864f0b77f6c89794827a9035355dc8d052622
06:38:17 <Ballig> that's purely from your ability modifier
06:38:24 <Ballig> so just take the 1 rank o ut
06:38:28 <Ballig> what if I want to pay -$1
06:40:05 <papadeitor> k last one im not sure about
06:40:09 <papadeitor> knowledge : religion
06:40:16 <papadeitor> isnt that moded by wisdom?
06:40:27 <Ballig> no, all knowledge skills are intelligence
06:41:14 <Sn0uu> too bad
06:42:16 <papadeitor> does it have ranks, and is it class skill?
06:42:29 <papadeitor> cause its not giving me the pregen result
06:42:44 <papadeitor> the pregen sais +4, which i assume is the total
06:42:47 <Ballig> yeah it has a rank and it's a class skill
06:42:49 <Ballig> 1 rank, +3 class bonus
06:42:58 <papadeitor> +2 int :/ ?
06:43:04 <Ballig> +0 int
06:43:38 <Ballig> 1 rank +3 class bonus = 4
06:43:44 <papadeitor> oh was looking at charisma
06:43:52 <papadeitor> im just overwelmed a bit xP
06:44:09 <papadeitor> its a lot of info
06:46:11 <Avatar> try it maybe it will work
06:46:34 <Sn0uu> that a broken referal link?
06:53:04 <papadeitor> k corrected a lot of stuff
06:54:04 <papadeitor> need to fix the defense now
06:54:13 <papadeitor> AC is supposed to be 14
06:54:17 <papadeitor> i got a 10 there in total
06:54:27 <papadeitor> should i put +4 in armor?
06:54:42 <papadeitor> same for flat footed
06:58:04 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: have you written a letter to your local, state or federal member?
07:00:38 <Avatar> nope, should work
07:00:41 <Wrothmonk> No wonder you can pay what you want, those games a terrible.
07:00:46 <Ziria> are you building a character based on kyra?
07:00:52 <Avatar> they are classics
07:01:01 <Wrothmonk> That don't work
07:01:06 <papadeitor> yeah
07:01:08 <Avatar> they do work
07:01:11 <Ziria> she gets the +4 to ac from having a chain shirt
07:01:15 <Wrothmonk> on a mac at least.
07:01:15 <Avatar> why do you think they don't work
07:01:21 <Avatar> forget macs
07:01:27 <Avatar> nothing works on a mac
07:01:44 <Wrothmonk> WoW does
07:01:44 <Ziria> are you planning to play the pregenerated character or just using it as a starting point to build your own?
07:01:48 <MekkisScreen> I think my next character in Slumbering Tsar shall be a gnomish sorcerer
07:01:56 <Wrothmonk> Minecraft
07:02:02 <papadeitor> playing like it is , just a male
07:02:03 <Wrothmonk> starcraft 2
07:02:06 <Ziria> ok
07:02:07 <Wrothmonk> black and white
07:02:14 <Wrothmonk> portal
07:02:16 <Wrothmonk> tf2
07:02:16 <Ziria> then you have the chainshirt and ac 14
07:02:33 <papadeitor> ok so i should add the starting gear to the sheet aswell
07:02:43 <Wrothmonk> tons of stuff works
07:02:54 <Wrothmonk> but lets not get into a mac vs pc debate.
07:03:12 <Ziria> if you are creating your own character sheet for that, probably yes
07:03:22 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: do you like my concept for your 3.5e level 10 bash?
07:03:49 <Sn0uu> sup
07:04:13 <Sn0uu> ftl is crap
07:04:33 <Sn0uu> its like something that i'd play on Kong for free
07:05:21 <Wrothmonk> Kongregate?
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07:12:41 <papadeitor> well i think its almost done
07:17:28 <Ziria> :)
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07:22:59 * Meander is done with his character
07:23:04 <Meander> finally...
07:23:43 <Meander> gn all
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07:40:31 <Sn0uu> yeah
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09:08:16 <Mekkis> die, bot
09:08:18 <Mekkis> Die, bot
09:20:22 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 27th 10am (first steps 2 cont'd,kapow) / Sat 27th 3pm (tier 1-5,Ballig) || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
09:20:22 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Oct 23 06:21:23 2012
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09:23:13 <Sn0uu> Hey, I made it
09:23:13 <Sn0uu> peace
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09:36:43 <Mekkis> !feat Combat Reflexes
09:36:47 <diebot> Mekkis, COMBAT REFLEXES [Combat]Prereq: . You can make additional attacks of opportunity.
09:36:49 <diebot> Benefit: You may make a number of additional attacks of opportunity per round equal to your Dexterity bonus. With this feat, you may also make attacks of opportunity while flat-footed.
09:36:49 <diebot> Special: The Combat Reflexes feat does not allow a rogue to use her opportunist ability more than once per round.
09:36:49 <diebot> Normal: A character without this feat can make only one attack of opportunity per round and can't make attacks of opportunity while flat-footed. Source: Core
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09:51:39 <Steven> hey guys
09:51:46 <Sn0uu> SUPA
09:51:51 <Steven> I'm makin Potato Chowder
09:52:17 <Sn0uu> say CHOWDA!
09:53:04 <Steven> no, chowder
10:07:11 * Meander has a question
10:07:22 <Steven> whats your question
10:07:25 <Steven> you just gotta ask
10:07:52 <Meander> if Fast Movement boosts your speed to 40', how much does medium armor reduce it by?
10:07:56 <Sn0uu> My Q is why you won't say Chowda
10:08:12 <Sn0uu> D&D?
10:08:16 <Sn0uu> there are movement boots?
10:08:19 <Meander> uh... sorry... Pathfinder
10:08:30 <Sn0uu> in PF?
10:08:37 <Meander> it's a Barbarian feature
10:08:43 <Sn0uu> I thought you could only get speed boots in LOL!
10:08:49 <Sn0uu> oh... barbie only eh :(
10:09:18 <Meander> My barb does not have blonde hair
10:09:22 <Wrothmonk> medium armor would reduce it for your normal speed i'm assuming.
10:09:39 <Wrothmonk> I think
10:10:02 <Steven> alright back
10:10:02 <Meander> hmmm... it says to apply the buff before figuring armor debuff?
10:10:12 <Wrothmonk> ok then idk
10:10:18 * Meander is confused
10:10:18 <Steven> it reduces it down to 30ft
10:10:37 <Meander> ok so... 30 -> 40 -> 30
10:10:39 <Meander> that was fun
10:10:58 <Steven> allows you to move faster
10:11:16 <Meander> yes, it would've been 30 -> 20 without the Barb feature
10:11:57 <Meander> so essentially, I can wear heavier armor with less of a disadvantage
10:12:19 <Hydrazine> the same movement speed as someone in light armor.
10:12:28 <Meander> yep, but ac penalty is still higher
10:12:53 <Meander> that's the only disadvantage I see though... He won
10:12:55 <Hydrazine> Can't win 'em all.
10:12:59 <Meander> 't be casting any spells
10:13:03 <Wrothmonk> So your making a barbarian Meander?
10:13:08 <Meander> aye
10:13:10 <Steven> theres a chart that shows you how to calculate your movement speed via encumbrance
10:13:19 <Wrothmonk> I'm working on a fighter
10:13:36 <Hydrazine> Aha.
10:13:38 <Meander> Steven, really?
10:13:46 <Steven> yes
10:13:51 <Hydrazine> Theres a table in the carrying capacity section
10:14:07 <Hydrazine> that shows how much your speed is reduced to, from various starting points.
10:14:22 <Meander> oh... I see
10:14:22 <Hydrazine> So lets say you somehow had a base move speed of 50, you get reduced to 35.
10:14:37 <Hydrazine> 40-45 does indeed reduce down to 30.
10:14:43 <Meander> it's just easier to use the equipment chart in most cases
10:14:53 <Hydrazine> Which only applies for 30 or 20 base move speed.
10:14:57 <Meander> right
10:14:59 <Meander> i r special
10:15:04 <Hydrazine> Thats why this chart's here.
10:15:19 <Hydrazine> Monks are easy too. If they carry too much, they lose all their extra speed.
10:15:45 <Meander> mean beans
10:16:35 <Steven> muleback cords pretty much make it so anyone is able to carry lots of stuff
10:16:38 <Wrothmonk> wow 19 ac at first level… Looks like my goal of a tank fighter is turning out well :D
10:16:50 <Hydrazine> Pssh.
10:16:58 <Meander> Wroth, my Barb will stand behind you, LOL
10:17:00 <Steven> I have an oracle built that has 23AC
10:17:06 <Wrothmonk> damn.
10:17:12 <Hydrazine> Monk one that starts at 23 or so.
10:17:20 <Wrothmonk> ok then
10:17:25 <Wrothmonk> we have our walking order then
10:17:25 <Hydrazine> I think the tower shield fighter got to about 27 by level 3, with no magic.
10:17:38 <Wrothmonk> oh I forgot to mention, no shield
10:17:49 <Hydrazine> Then you aren't trying very hard.
10:17:53 <Meander> Wrothmonk, two-handed weapons?
10:18:02 <Hydrazine> Don't think you see how quickly a shield starts to be a big deal for AC gains.
10:18:15 <Wrothmonk> two light weapons
10:18:21 <Meander> ah, dualies!
10:18:24 <Hydrazine> a twf fighter?
10:18:26 <Wrothmonk> Yup
10:18:26 <Hydrazine> ..why?
10:18:36 <Hydrazine> Gutting your damage that way, I think.
10:18:40 <Meander> because it's possible
10:18:43 <Meander> :)
10:18:52 <Hydrazine> Eh. Whatever floats your boat.
10:19:00 <Wrothmonk> two weapon fighting
10:19:06 <Meander> Perhaps my next Barb will be a Pixie
10:19:23 <Hydrazine> Not in society play.
10:19:28 <Hydrazine> Pixies would be crazy OP.
10:19:50 <Meander> oh, not among the approved races?
10:20:14 <Hydrazine> greater invisibilty at will?
10:20:23 <Wrothmonk> seriusly?
10:20:25 <Wrothmonk> thats OP
10:20:25 <Hydrazine> Come on man. Pixies would wreck the game.
10:20:37 <Wrothmonk> I can see why
10:20:41 <MekkisScreen> I don't think that they would
10:20:45 <Meander> It'd be fine so long as none of the characters were named Will
10:21:18 <Hydrazine> At the very least it would notably impat how easily you could make a sniper style rogue that actually works.
10:21:24 <Meander> ... tough crowd
10:21:40 <Hydrazine> Or Link?
10:21:46 <Wrothmonk> lol.
10:21:50 <Hydrazine> If there was a guy named Link, you'd have to bother him all day.
10:21:55 <Wrothmonk> Thats an elf.
10:21:59 <Meander> oh... a Pixie Barb named Navi!
10:22:00 <Wrothmonk> not pixie
10:22:03 <Wrothmonk> oh god
10:22:08 <Meander> HEY! LISTEN!
10:22:12 * Wrothmonk takes out gag
10:22:18 <Wrothmonk> SHUT THE F*** UP!!!
10:22:28 <Meander> mmmppffff
10:22:45 * Wrothmonk places gag in theoretical pixie barb
10:22:50 <Wrothmonk> 's mouth*
10:22:56 <Meander> mmmmmmfffpfpfppfff
10:23:20 <Meander> Irony: Navi using the Masamune
10:23:41 <Wrothmonk> which is?
10:24:07 <Meander> why is the hilt of the sword glowing? and who's swinging it?
10:24:24 <Wrothmonk> heh… Excalibar returns!
10:24:45 <Hydrazine> Can't use a two handed oversized weapon
10:25:02 <Meander> Hydrazine, there's a fan-based mod for that
10:25:25 <Hydrazine> Saying theres a fan-based mod for something means absolutely nothing.
10:25:31 <Wrothmonk> I don't even see pixies in d20pfsrd database
10:25:52 <Wrothmonk> as an actual racd
10:25:53 <Wrothmonk> race*
10:25:56 <Hydrazine> Theres probably a fan-based mod for skyrim where all the bears are turned into naked chicks and all the chicks are replaced with chairs.
10:25:57 <Meander> edit: Hydrazine, there's a nothing
10:26:18 <Steven> for pixies
10:26:20 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/pixie
10:26:20 <Meander> prolly
10:26:35 <Hydrazine> Thats because they aren't in any books as playable races. You have to look in the bestiary.
10:26:38 <Wrothmonk> yeah thats what I found.
10:27:47 <Wrothmonk> So yes, that confirms that pixies are not a playable race.
10:27:50 <Sn0uu> omg
10:27:54 <Sn0uu> whats with all the chat?
10:28:02 <Wrothmonk> We are geeks
10:28:05 <Wrothmonk> or nerds
10:28:08 <Wrothmonk> your preerence
10:28:09 <Meander> sorry... I thought this was a chat room
10:28:26 <Wrothmonk> and we are talking about pathfinder character cration
10:28:28 <Wrothmonk> creation*
10:28:37 <Wrothmonk> brb laundry
10:28:39 <Hydrazine> Well, its not that uncommon for DMs in regular homebrew campaigns to allow races from the bestiary.
10:28:41 <Meander> well... that's how it started at least, lol
10:28:46 <Hydrazine> But for Society play.. No, not legal.
10:28:52 <Meander> ah
10:29:00 <Meander> yay for organization!
10:30:21 <Meander> is there a game going on at the moment?
10:30:41 <Steven> not at the momment
10:30:56 <Meander> ok, just checkin
10:33:56 <Wrothmonk> you would know if there was a game going
10:34:02 <Wrothmonk> so many dice rolls...
10:34:11 <Wrothmonk> So little time...
10:35:05 <Sn0uu> rabble
10:35:12 <Wrothmonk> Rabble rabble
10:36:54 <Wrothmonk> ok… what do I need beyond weapons and armor...
10:38:03 <Meander> a waterclock
10:38:13 <Meander> very important, lol
10:38:39 <Hydrazine> A harem.
10:38:46 <Hydrazine> Never leave home without a good harem.
10:38:55 <Wrothmonk> backpack!
10:38:57 <Meander> err... rather distracting though...
10:39:07 <Hydrazine> You're gonna need an elephant too, to carry the waterclock.
10:39:12 <Meander> lol
10:39:17 <Hydrazine> And then another elephant to carry enough food for the first elephant.
10:39:32 <Meander> what will the 2nd elephant eat?
10:39:33 <Sn0uu> what about a sniper rouge?
10:39:53 <Meander> are they heavy too?
10:40:45 <Wrothmonk> lol...
10:40:57 <Wrothmonk> Why not have them eat eachother?
10:41:04 <Wrothmonk> cannibal elephant fight!!!
10:41:18 <Meander> can a sniper rogue eat an elephant in one sitting?
10:41:49 <Wrothmonk> Depends, what race?
10:41:55 <Meander> gnome
10:41:58 <Wrothmonk> No.
10:42:02 <Meander> pixie
10:42:06 <Wrothmonk> Half orc possibly
10:42:09 <Meander> oh wait... nevermind
10:42:09 <Wrothmonk> could
10:42:28 <Sn0uu> wtf @ waterclock
10:42:39 <Meander> that's ok, just put the leftovers in the backpack
10:42:46 <Sn0uu> don't they take up a ton of room and take forever to setup?
10:42:53 <Meander> does raw elephant keep well?
10:42:59 <Wrothmonk> Thus the elephant to carry it.
10:43:04 <Meander> BRB
10:43:48 <Wrothmonk> oh god… Pathfinder has crowbars
10:43:48 <Sn0uu> right, i hadn't caught up yet
10:43:54 <Sn0uu> but very entertaining :D
10:44:11 <Wrothmonk> Run for your lives! the face eating rats are coming!!!
10:44:20 * Sn0uu uses crowbars as ranged weapons
10:44:21 <Wrothmonk> undead face eating giant rats*
10:45:23 <Wrothmonk> Wow… Has nobody played half life?
10:45:36 <Sn0uu> PS!
10:45:41 <Sn0uu> I just hit LOL lvl 30! :D
10:45:56 <Sn0uu> mmmm half-life
10:46:02 <Wrothmonk> LOL?
10:46:08 <Sn0uu> League of Legends
10:46:10 <Wrothmonk> ah
10:46:21 <Meander> Lots of Loitering
10:46:29 <Wrothmonk> hrm… need to pick faction
10:46:45 <Meander> there's a PDF for that
10:46:46 <Sn0uu> the brutes!
10:47:14 <Meander> ok, that's Halo...
10:47:15 <Wrothmonk> yeah I have the pdf
10:47:19 <Wrothmonk> I want a flowchart.
10:47:24 <Wrothmonk> :p
10:47:27 <Sn0uu> picky
10:47:41 <Meander> what do you think this is? software engineering?
10:48:34 <Wrothmonk> No.
10:48:41 <Wrothmonk> I know software engineering.
10:48:51 <Wrothmonk> Flowcharts can be used with anything though.
10:49:03 <Meander> sewer lines?
10:49:11 <Sn0uu> yeah
10:49:22 <Wrothmonk> Yup
10:49:42 <Meander> yeah... I just wouldn't want to read it...
10:50:47 <Meander> so, if the PFS factions were part of a sewer line flowchart, which would be at the end of the line?
10:51:20 <Wrothmonk> Depend
10:51:23 <Wrothmonk> depends*
10:51:35 <Meander> you're not supposed to flush those...
10:51:36 <Wrothmonk> Is it the clogged up area or the one with the most crap
10:51:47 <Meander> you pick :D
10:52:23 <Wrothmonk> Andoran would be the clogged up bit, sczarni would be the bit that gets the most crap.
10:52:44 <Meander> splain
10:53:53 <Sn0uu> what are thoes
10:54:02 <Meander> depends
10:55:26 <Meander> !roll 1d20
10:55:26 <dicebot> Meander, 1d20: [1d20=4] 4
10:55:40 <Meander> !roll 2d20+4
10:55:40 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20+4: [2d20=14,4] 22
10:55:52 <Meander> ah nice!
10:56:00 <Meander> !roll 2d20/3
10:56:00 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20/3: [2d20=4,16/3] 20
10:56:30 <Meander> !roll 2d20x2
10:56:30 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20x2: [2d20=7,12x2] 19
10:56:45 <Meander> !roll 2d20 2
10:56:45 <dicebot> Meander, 2: [2d20=20,8] 28
10:57:10 <Meander> !roll2d20-4
10:57:29 <Meander> 4 + !roll2d20
10:57:42 <Meander> !roll 2d20-4
10:57:42 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20-4: [2d20=15,14] 25
10:57:50 <Sn0uu> !roll 1d1 roll
10:57:51 <dicebot> Sn0uu, roll: [1d1=1] 1
10:58:00 <Sn0uu> awwwwww natual 1! :(
10:58:19 * Meander wants to roll a super-natural 1
10:58:25 <MekkisScreen> !throw 1d20
10:58:26 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1d20: [1d20=10] 10
10:58:33 <Meander> !throw 1d20
10:58:33 <diebot> Meander, 1d20: [1d20=8] 8
10:58:36 <MekkisScreen> !throw 4r4
10:58:37 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 4r4: [4r4=2,3,1,3] 9
10:58:42 <MekkisScreen> !throw 4r4
10:58:42 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 4r4: [4r4=4,4,1,1,3,2] 15
10:58:45 <Meander> !throw 2d20+4
10:58:45 <diebot> Meander, 2d20+4: [2d20=10,13] 27
10:59:01 <Meander> !throw 2d8-3
10:59:01 <diebot> Meander, 2d8-3: [2d8=3,2] 2
10:59:23 <Meander> !throw 2d8*2
10:59:23 <diebot> Meander, 2d8*2: [2d8=5,7] 14
10:59:36 <MekkisScreen> noone multiplies dice
10:59:36 <Meander> !throw 2d6x2
10:59:37 <diebot> Meander, 2d6x2: [2d6=1,2] 5
10:59:46 <MekkisScreen> !feat Lightning Reflexes
10:59:47 <diebot> MekkisScreen, LIGHTNING REFLEXES [] You have faster reflexes than normal.
10:59:47 <diebot> Benefit: You get a +2 bonus on all Reflex saving throws. Source: Core
10:59:57 <Meander> oooh...
10:59:59 <MekkisScreen> !spell Magic Missile
11:00:05 <MekkisScreen> !spelldesc Magic Missile
11:00:07 <diebot> MekkisScreen, MAGIC MISSILE evocation ([force]) sorcerer/wizard 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yes
11:00:08 <Meander> !feat Fast Movement
11:00:08 <diebot> A missile of magical energy darts forth from your fingertip and strikes its target, dealing 1d4+1 points of force damage. The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat, so long as it has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can't be singled out. Objects are not damaged by the spell. For
11:00:08 <diebot> every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile-two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher. If you shoot multiple missiles, you can have them strike a single creature or several creatures. A single missile can strike only one creature. You must designate targets before you
11:00:08 <diebot> check for spell resistance or roll damage.
11:00:24 <MekkisScreen> Fast Movement is a feat?
11:00:35 <Meander> err... Class Feature
11:00:44 <Meander> !feature Fast Movement
11:00:48 <Meander> ok...
11:00:49 <MekkisScreen> I don't store class features yet
11:01:07 <Meander> nice, mind if I ask what language you wrote it in?
11:01:11 <MekkisScreen> ruby
11:01:15 <Meander> cool
11:01:41 <Meander> does it respond to PMs?
11:01:54 <MekkisScreen> I've released the sourcecode, but it's got a bunch of hardcoded stuff in it so it probably won't work on any other system
11:01:57 <MekkisScreen> it dies
11:01:58 <MekkisScreen> does
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11:02:18 <MekkisScreen> you might need to say IDENTIFY if it isn't identified to nickserv
11:02:23 <Meander> the source code is on the web? can I have the URL?
11:02:44 <MekkisScreen> an earlier version is
11:02:48 <Meander> ok
11:03:16 <MekkisScreen> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/diebot-bones-release20110704.tar.bz2
11:03:35 <MekkisScreen> a later release shall be released When I Get Around To It
11:03:39 <MekkisScreen> :)
11:03:59 <fued> Hi people
11:03:59 <Meander> WIGATI
11:04:05 <Meander> I have to remember that
11:04:10 <Meander> hey fued
11:06:40 <MekkisScreen> hi
11:07:01 <fued> Im new here, just wondering if anyone has some advice for joining a group and playing?
11:07:11 <Meander> fued, am new here too
11:07:16 <MekkisScreen> what city/state are you in?
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11:11:09 <Meander> fued, designing a game? single or multi play?
11:11:32 <fued> well its still in the concept phase at the moment
11:11:40 <MekkisScreen> otherwise, we run stuff online, pretty much every weekend
11:11:43 <Meander> ah ok
11:11:58 <fued> ive got a text file around here somewhere with the concept, and ive got prototypes that allow multiplayer
11:12:09 <fued> im not sure if i want to expand it that big... im a small dev company not a large one lol
11:12:23 <Meander> do you run any Pathfinder (not Pathfinder Society)?
11:12:30 <Meander> fued, yes understandable
11:14:14 <fued> originally i was basing my game on 3.5 from d&d.. but pathfinder seems so much more balanced/adaptable
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11:15:57 <fued> so now im trying to learn all about it, already got the core book and advanced book on order lol
11:18:15 <fued> what time on weekends do you guys run/would a new player be able to join?
11:18:43 <MekkisScreen> read the /topic
11:18:58 <MekkisScreen> Sat 27th 3pm, Ballig's running something
11:21:13 <fued> Would i be better off signing up for pfs or the other one?
11:21:24 <MekkisScreen> it's PFS
11:21:28 <fued> oh ok
11:21:48 <MekkisScreen> they're both PFS, but the morning one is a continuation
11:24:19 <fued> ah ok
11:24:23 <fued> thanks :)
11:24:29 <fued> ill go sign up for pfs lol
11:24:36 <Wrothmonk> ok done with my fighter, anyone want to look it over to make sure I didn't miss anything?
11:26:54 <MekkisScreen> sure
11:26:57 <MekkisScreen> link?
11:27:00 <Wrothmonk> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=538
11:27:32 <Wrothmonk> Going to enter PFS # once I make sure I got everything.
11:31:42 <MekkisScreen> Wrothmonk: ability scores are wrong
11:32:39 <Wrothmonk> ok fixed that. For some reason I had a 12 in con, meant to just have 10
11:32:44 <MekkisScreen> if you star with 15/16/12/12/10/8, (before racial mods), you've got 19 points
11:33:17 <MekkisScreen> if you have 13/18/12/12/10/8, you've got 21 points
11:33:55 <MekkisScreen> if you put 10 in con, save yourself the time and rip up your sheet: you won't survive as a fighter :P
11:34:20 <Steven> yeah... thats a death sentence... unless you going for archery build
11:34:31 <Hydrazine> Even then I'd say its still a bad idea.
11:34:34 <Steven> in which case its a death sentence
11:34:48 <MekkisScreen> also: always put your racial mod into your highest stat. Otherwise it's a waste of points
11:34:55 <Wrothmonk> Yeah good point, 19 ac is going to hit me with crits.
11:35:07 <MekkisScreen> (if you've got a floating racial mod)
11:35:28 <fued> where did you create that sheet at?
11:35:37 <Wrothmonk> On this channels website
11:36:18 <fued> cool thanks
11:39:18 <Wrothmonk> ok how does 13, 16, 15, 12, 10, 8 with a +2 in dex for my human racial sound
11:39:41 <Hydrazine> As a fighter?
11:39:59 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, I have weapon finnesse
11:40:14 <Hydrazine> What kind of armor you planning on wearing?
11:40:34 <Wrothmonk> Chain shirt
11:40:38 <Hydrazine> Damage is probably going to be rather low until you can afford a pair of +2 weapons.
11:40:55 <Steven> why you gonna wear a chain shirt?
11:43:19 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
11:44:15 <Wrothmonk> how about 14 16 15 10 10 8
11:44:58 <Hydrazine> So whats the concept you're going for here?
11:45:00 <Hydrazine> Whats the idea?
11:46:42 <Sn0uu> its a lightbulb
11:46:46 <Sn0uu> above the head
11:46:47 <Wrothmonk> ...
11:46:48 <Wrothmonk> lol
11:46:50 <Sn0uu> sometimes it lights up
11:48:02 <Wrothmonk> Well I'm going to aim for doing damage while still being able to not get hit as much as my sorcerer.
11:48:24 <fued> whats consdiered a "high intelligence" for determining languages usually?
11:48:34 <Wrothmonk> one language per plus in int mod
11:48:46 <Wrothmonk> one extra*
11:48:47 <fued> phew
11:48:58 <fued> making a halfling bard, want him to be able to speak at least elvish lol
11:49:06 <Wrothmonk> Why?
11:49:13 <fued> seems like something a bard would do
11:49:24 <Wrothmonk> Ok then...
11:51:37 <Wrothmonk> Well anyway with 14, 18, 15, 10, 10, 8, as my stat build I would get a +3 to attack rolls with both weapons at once and a 1d6+2 damage with one, and a 1d6+1 with the other.
11:52:34 <Sn0uu> rawr
11:52:39 <Sn0uu> !roll 5r5
11:52:45 <Wrothmonk> As they are both light weapons.
11:52:46 <Sn0uu> !roll 4r4
11:52:50 <Sn0uu> ...
11:52:57 <Wrothmonk> try a d instead of a r
11:53:00 <Hydrazine> Personally I think Ranger is the most effective way to do two weapon fighting and still get damage
11:53:02 <Sn0uu> !throw 5r6
11:53:04 <diebot> Sn0uu, 5r6: [5r6=4,6,5,6,2,6,5,4] 38
11:53:05 <Sn0uu> damit
11:53:09 <Sn0uu> thank you
11:53:14 <Hydrazine> Its throw, not roll.
11:53:20 <Sn0uu> i see that
11:53:24 <Hydrazine> Different bots.
11:53:37 <Hydrazine> Not all di(c)ebots are created equal.
11:53:54 <Wrothmonk> well isn't a ranger, oh I don't know… Ranged?
11:54:01 <Sn0uu> Hey
11:54:03 <Hydrazine> ...Not always?
11:54:13 <MekkisScreen> yeah. diebot is better :P
11:54:17 <Sn0uu> any of you wanna sign up for D&D on a 'clan site' for me?
11:54:20 <Hydrazine> two weapon fighting has been a standard ranger method for ages.
11:54:28 <fued> ranger refers to the fact that they "range about" typically, not that they use ranged weapons, not sure bout pathfinder, but thats usually in other things
11:54:37 <Hydrazine> Fued's all over it.
11:54:42 <Wrothmonk> Huh ok, I stand corrected.
11:54:56 <fued> plus u get a cool pet usually lol
11:56:11 <Sn0uu> ya I didn't think rangers were about having range
11:56:22 <Sn0uu> but
11:56:26 <Sn0uu> ya neva know
11:58:30 <Wrothmonk> hrm yeah… Actually ranger looks like the kind of thing I want to do even though I would prefer to have two weapon fighting at level 1… Ah well its 3 games.
11:59:00 <fued> how do you select which skills are "trained"?
11:59:13 <Hydrazine> You put ranks in them.
11:59:20 <Hydrazine> Skills you've put skill ranks in, are trained.
11:59:23 <Wrothmonk> well if its one of your class skills and there is a rank in it, the skill is trained.
11:59:28 <fued> oh ok thanks
11:59:43 <Hydrazine> No, Wroth. Theres a difference between class skills and trained skills.
12:00:07 <Wrothmonk> Oh? ok. I thought it was only class skills. So whats the benefit of that then?
12:00:24 <Hydrazine> Also, Wroth: You take TWF as your level 1 feat, double slice at 2.
12:00:37 * Wrothmonk facepalm
12:00:38 <Wrothmonk> durrrrr
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12:01:00 <Hydrazine> Well, trained class skills get a +3 bonus, because your class is just more proficient with that sort of thing.
12:01:16 <Hydrazine> And some skill checks cannot be attempted untrained. Mostly the knowledge skills.
12:01:36 <Hydrazine> You can try to walk across a tightrope without training. Sure you'll probably fall, but you can try!
12:01:42 <Wrothmonk> oh so I could have a rank in use magic device, not have it be a class skill, and still have it be trained?
12:01:50 <Hydrazine> You can't try to answer complicated physics questions accurately without some training.
12:02:30 <Wrothmonk> ok then, class changing to ranger since it will be pretty much the same thing :p
12:02:52 <Hydrazine> You still don't see the big difference between fighter TWF and ranger TWF.
12:03:06 <Wrothmonk> and that is?
12:03:20 <Hydrazine> Dex requirements.
12:03:32 <MekkisScreen> ja
12:03:36 <Hydrazine> To get improved TWF at level 6, a fighter has to have the 17 dex.
12:03:49 <Wrothmonk> Yeah your right...
12:03:57 <Hydrazine> Rangers get to bypass the requirements for the fighting style feats.
12:04:12 <Hydrazine> So you can arrange for more strength in the point buy
12:04:35 <Hydrazine> And not end up hitting like a chump because you gotta have sky-high dex.
12:05:20 <fued> wow is there any way to find which feats might be more applicable?
12:05:33 <Hydrazine> Careful reading of all the feats you can find?
12:05:41 <Wrothmonk> Thats about it.
12:06:03 <Hydrazine> Um. I'd say most of the kind of thing I'm talking about now, you just sort of pick it up from experience with crunching the rules alot.
12:06:36 <Hydrazine> Part of whats good about fighters, is nomatter what sort of fighter you want to build, most of the best feats for you, are very obvious.
12:06:44 <Wrothmonk> quick question, does reducing int reduce your skills per level as well?
12:06:52 <Hydrazine> want to hit things really hard? power attack. The name alone is enough to get the message.
12:06:56 <Hydrazine> Yes.
12:07:02 <Wrothmonk> K just making sure.
12:07:33 <Hydrazine> Want to be good with a shield? Shield focus! Want to hit things with two weapons? two weapon fighting!
12:08:15 <Hydrazine> This is a big difference from something like monks for example, where to make a really powerful monk, the choices aren't really so obvious.
12:08:25 <fued> bard doesnt seem easy lol
12:08:51 <Steven> bards are pretty awesome
12:09:02 <Steven> they pretty much face and skill monkies
12:09:05 <fued> im thinking weapon finesse since my halfling is low on strength
12:09:05 <Steven> and then in combat
12:09:15 <fued> otherwise ill be pretty useless wont i?
12:09:17 <Steven> first round they start inspiring
12:09:24 <Steven> and then they run around buffing
12:09:34 <Steven> thats pretty much bard in a nutshell
12:12:43 <fued> so you wouldnt actually attack much/at all?
12:13:07 <Steven> not as much as other classes
12:15:49 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: these are still some traps in fighters
12:16:21 <Hydrazine> Go on.
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12:24:15 <MekkisScreen> symetrically advancing two weapons
12:25:27 <Wrothmonk> ok how does a stat build for ranger TWF 18, 15, 14, 9, 10, 7 sound?
12:25:40 <Wrothmonk> 15 = 13 w/o racial
12:26:01 <fued> that will make your spells very weak at later levels wont it?
12:26:26 <Wrothmonk> I wouldn't be able to cast spells as a ranger.
12:27:24 <fued> Beginning at 4th level, a ranger gains the ability to cast a small number of divine spells, which are drawn from the ranger spell list.
12:27:45 <Wrothmonk> I could take a point away form int and put it into wisdom.
12:28:00 <MekkisScreen> drop the 18 to 16
12:28:11 <MekkisScreen> and put it into wisdom
12:28:53 <Wrothmonk> that would mean 16, 15, 14, 9, 15, 7
12:29:12 <Wrothmonk> w/ racial
12:30:38 <MekkisScreen> 16 14 14 9 14 7
12:30:49 <MekkisScreen> then +2 to str
12:31:11 <MekkisScreen> !feat improved two weapon fighting
12:31:39 <MekkisScreen> !feat improved two-weapon fighting
12:31:40 <diebot> MekkisScreen, IMPROVED TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING [Combat]Prereq: Dex 17, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack bonus +6. You are skilled at fighting with two weapons.
12:31:40 <diebot> Benefit: In addition to the standard single extra attack you get with an off-hand weapon, you get a second attack with it, albeit at a –5 penalty.
12:31:40 <diebot> Normal: Without this feat, you can only get a single extra attack with an off-hand weapon. Source: Core
12:32:19 <MekkisScreen> !feat greater two-weapon fighting
12:32:19 <diebot> MekkisScreen, GREATER TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING [Combat]Prereq: Dex 19, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Two-Weapon Fighting, base attack bonus +11. You are incredibly skilled at fighting with two weapons at the same time.
12:32:20 <diebot> Benefit: You get a third attack with your off-hand weapon, albeit at a –10 penalty. Source: Core
12:32:41 <Wrothmonk> two weapon fighting requires 15 in dex.
12:32:53 <Wrothmonk> !feat two-weapon fighting
12:32:54 <diebot> Wrothmonk, TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING [Combat]Prereq: Dex 15. You can fight with a weapon wielded in each of your hands. You can make one extra attack each round with the secondary weapon.
12:32:54 <diebot> Benefit: Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See Two-Weapon Fighting in Combat.
12:32:54 <diebot> Normal: If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each.
12:32:54 <diebot> An unarmed strike is always considered light. Source: Core
12:33:15 <MekkisScreen> drop wisdom to 13 then
12:33:22 <MekkisScreen> and dex to 15
12:35:28 <fued> doesnt ranger get that feat free tho?
12:42:31 <fued> if you are looking for a weapon, would a small one weigh less than a normal one? and if so how would u figure it out? just 2/3rds?
12:42:33 <Hydrazine> you can wait till level 2 to get it free.
12:42:41 <Hydrazine> Or you could take it at level 1 and get double slice free at 2.
12:42:53 <Wrothmonk> Thats the plan
12:43:10 <MekkisScreen> !feat double slice
12:43:10 <diebot> MekkisScreen, DOUBLE SLICE [Combat]Prereq: Dex 15, Two-Weapon Fighting. Your off-hand weapon while dual-wielding strikes with greater power.
12:43:11 <diebot> Benefit: Add your Strength bonus to damage rolls made with your off-hand weapon.
12:43:11 <diebot> Normal: You normally add only half of your Strength modifier to damage rolls made with a weapon wielded in your off-hand. Source: Core
12:43:21 <MekkisScreen> wow
12:44:16 <Wrothmonk> so yeah, level 2 1d6+4 damage for each attack.
12:44:57 <Hydrazine> Then you're almost as much raw damage as the Twins!
12:45:23 <Wrothmonk> so then, shall I get scale mail instead of chain shirt because of my drop in dex?
12:46:24 <Wrothmonk> actually thats just 1 ac in difference… I might as well wait to get chain mail
12:46:47 <fued> would grease the spell, and marbles the item, stack togehter for hilarious results?
12:46:56 <Wrothmonk> ...
12:46:58 <Wrothmonk> Yes
12:47:03 <Wrothmonk> Yes it would
12:47:09 <fued> adding that to my list of items for sure then haha
12:47:19 <Wrothmonk> I need to get that spell and item on my sorcerer now.
12:48:22 <Hydrazine> You know, caltrops always seem like such a potentially awesome tool, and yet the time to use them just never seems to show up.
12:48:35 <Wrothmonk> caltrops
12:48:37 <Wrothmonk> marbles
12:48:39 <Wrothmonk> grease
12:48:41 <Wrothmonk> fuck yes.
12:48:47 <fued> slipping into caltrops... ouch
12:48:52 <Steven> you just gotta use the spell unseen servant
12:48:52 <Wrothmonk> Yup :P
12:48:55 <Hydrazine> grease is pretty powerful on its own even without the others.
12:49:23 <Steven> send him into a room first, and have him drop the caltrops in squares.
12:49:39 <Wrothmonk> Hrm… not a bad idea.
12:49:56 <Wrothmonk> He can carry the weight I think.
12:50:43 <Steven> Folnor once got a 10x10 foot cloth, cast treasure stitch on it w/ a 10x10ft of rock piled on it
12:50:58 <Wrothmonk> treasure stich?
12:51:11 <Steven> wizard cast unseen servant, i handed it the cloth, it went into the room flew over the BBEG i spoke the command word
12:52:03 <Wrothmonk> I'm guessing treasure stitch makes something lighter in a container?
12:52:29 <Steven> treasure stitch is a spell that lets you store whatever is on the cloth when the spell is cast
12:52:48 <Steven> and a picture of the stuff is imprinted on the cloth
12:53:02 <Wrothmonk> ah.
12:53:05 <Steven> when the command word is spoken, all the stuff on the cloth magically reappears
12:53:09 <Wrothmonk> heh
12:53:12 <Wrothmonk> nice
12:53:36 <Steven> so anyways, we went into the end encounter with the 250+hp boss at half health
12:53:50 <Wrothmonk> Nice!
12:54:07 <Steven> but i decided not to use that trick very often cause its cheesy
12:54:20 <Wrothmonk> Still awesome though.
12:54:23 <Steven> and..... its not a good thing to do
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12:54:47 <Steven> cause eventually the DM will be like oh ill just have teh boss throw up a detect magic all the time
12:55:04 <Steven> oh look theres a magical aura... dispel magic
12:55:23 <Steven> end of that plan....
12:55:34 <Wrothmonk> I see.
12:55:49 <Steven> so.... yeah i did it once... and then left it alone
12:55:58 <Hydrazine> I thought the game was, you're allowed to use whatever cheesy clever trick you come up with once, and not really expect it to work again
12:56:20 <Wrothmonk> except I don't see why I can't seem to add a third character on pazio.
12:56:24 <Wrothmonk> paizo*
12:56:49 <Steven> btw, did that with bobby as DM and he tried to argue that the spell couldnt be undone unless the cloth was flat on the ground.
12:57:40 <Steven> we had a wonderful 20 minute conversation followed by him telling me he wouldnt allow it, then walter stepped in and was like the rules support the action, you have to allow it.
12:58:13 <Steven> Venture Lieutenant ftw!
12:58:17 <Wrothmonk> heh.
12:59:04 <Steven> luckily i dont have to play with bobby but once in a blue moon, and i havent had to see his pimple ridden face in near 3 months now
12:59:31 <Steven> i swear to god... you would think somebody who makes as much money as he does would go see a dermatologist
13:00:08 <Wrothmonk> I just realized something...
13:00:24 <Wrothmonk> oh this will be funny the first time I play him :D
13:00:26 <Steven> you like women?
13:00:50 <Wrothmonk> I am male, so yes. But that isn't what I just realized.
13:01:13 <Wrothmonk> My character's name is wallace. So… Wallace the Wanger.
13:01:40 <Wrothmonk> wan-ger
13:01:41 <Steven> being male does not always mean you like women.
13:01:55 <Wrothmonk> Generally it does though.
13:02:20 <Steven> generally in alabama you can beat your wife and not face any consequences....
13:02:29 <Steven> so..... that means its okay right?
13:03:10 <Steven> see what i did there
13:03:18 <Wrothmonk> You face moral consequences.
13:03:26 <Wrothmonk> See what I did there?
13:03:56 <Hydrazine> Not if you see nothing morally wrong with it
13:05:44 <Wrothmonk> Which page in the CRB has the carrying capacity table?
13:06:25 <Wrothmonk> nvm found it
13:06:34 <fued> i assume u should always have aranged attack?
13:06:43 <Hydrazine> Yes.
13:06:50 <fued> would whip count? lol
13:06:53 <Hydrazine> If you got way more str than dex, consider thrown weapons.
13:07:17 <Wrothmonk> Never looked at the rules for them.
13:07:29 <fued> 15ft
13:07:34 <Wrothmonk> Also my character can lift somebody else his weight as medium load...
13:07:46 <Wrothmonk> So yes, he has str
13:09:29 <Wrothmonk> so what is the roll on thrown? ranged or melee?
13:09:47 <Hydrazine> Whips have alot of reasons why I would not consider them a good substitute for a ranged weapon.
13:09:50 <Wrothmonk> ranged I would think but it doesn't say.
13:10:00 <Hydrazine> Its dex to throw and str for damage
13:10:04 <Wrothmonk> K.
13:10:34 <Steven> alright back.... had to get the fire back going
13:10:51 <Wrothmonk> hrm… axes or hammers...
13:11:14 <Hydrazine> I'm fond of javelins.
13:11:22 <Wrothmonk> yeah just saw that.
13:11:34 <fued> any suggestions for a halfling bard with low str to use as a ranged weapon? lol
13:11:44 <Wrothmonk> erm… wut
13:11:56 <Wrothmonk> Are bards supposed to have low str?
13:11:59 <Hydrazine> str penalties or just low like 10?
13:12:10 <fued> low like 9
13:12:19 <Hydrazine> light crossbow.
13:12:26 <Hydrazine> And hope you don't have to use it much
13:12:36 <Wrothmonk> javelins are nie.
13:12:50 <Wrothmonk> 1 gp each, 2 lbs, 30 ft range.
13:12:57 <Wrothmonk> Just right for my needs.
13:13:18 <Wrothmonk> I would buy 50 but I don't have the gold :/
13:13:44 <Wrothmonk> wait no that would weigh to much.
13:13:52 <Wrothmonk> mixed up gold and weight :P
13:14:37 <Wrothmonk> so then… First play will go like this
13:14:59 <Wrothmonk> My character saunters in carrying 2 swords, and 25 javelins
13:15:20 <Wrothmonk> He introduces himself as Wallace the "Wan-jer"
13:15:51 <Hydrazine> Also remember than thrown weapons don't break on impact like arrows.
13:15:59 <Hydrazine> Except for a few special exceptions where its written in.
13:15:59 <Wrothmonk> Awsome.
13:16:28 <Hydrazine> So as long as you don't miss while your enemy is on the edge of a cliff, or over a lava pit, or infront of a fire or something like that..
13:16:41 <Hydrazine> Its pretty reasonable that you can recover most of your javelins.
13:16:48 <Wrothmonk> Theres just something funny about the image of a guy that can't use Rs and carries around a bundle of javelins...
13:18:39 <Hydrazine> Mostly though the only people who really stay in ranged combat for long, are the guys who want to.
13:18:52 <Hydrazine> If the goal is to get into melee, 90% of the time you'll have the opportunity.
13:20:00 <Wrothmonk> Actually I think i'll just carry around 10.
13:20:25 <Wrothmonk> Still enough to look hilarious but not to many I could get encumbered easily.
13:20:47 <Wrothmonk> Well goodnight
13:20:58 <Hydrazine> Later.
13:26:04 <fued> hows this character?
13:26:05 <fued> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=539
13:26:35 <Steven> hp is wrong
13:27:24 <fued> should be 9?
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13:27:57 <Hydrazine> Bard is d8 or d6?
13:28:00 <fued> d8
13:28:10 <Hydrazine> max hit die first level
13:28:20 <Hydrazine> so 8+1con
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13:33:43 <Hydrazine> Yo.
13:33:47 <Mekkis> yo
13:33:59 <Sn0uu> yo
13:34:11 <fued> yo
13:34:15 <Steven> no
13:34:20 <Sn0uu> u missed it
13:34:39 <Hydrazine> Steve's too old for our slang.
13:35:43 <Steven> i prefer the term seasoned
13:35:49 <Sn0uu> lol
13:39:46 <Hydrazine> Like an old cast iron pan?
13:39:59 <Hydrazine> Or like spicy Jamaican pork?
13:40:37 <Steven> yay the fire is roaring now....
13:40:49 <Sn0uu> interesting way to answer that...
13:41:04 <Steven> well... i can confim it for no laughs
13:41:10 <Steven> or mock him and seem petty
13:41:22 <Steven> so that leaves changing the subject.
13:42:09 <Sn0uu> heh
13:42:09 <Sn0uu> seem
13:43:23 <Sn0uu> you didn't change the subject old man...
13:43:35 <Hydrazine> I think, seasoned like a barrel they've aged whiskey in for 30 years.
13:43:49 <Steven> dude that would smell so good while burning....
13:44:19 <Sn0uu> how'd u do that?
13:44:21 <Sn0uu> do they all have that?
13:44:22 <Sn0uu> why would you burn whiskey?
13:44:29 <Steven> now i kinda wanna find a whisky barrel
13:44:30 <Sn0uu> !feat Combat Casting
13:44:31 <diebot> Sn0uu, COMBAT CASTING [] You are adept at spellcasting when threatened or distracted.
13:44:31 <diebot> Benefit: You get a +4 bonus on concentration checks made to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability when casting on the defensive or while grappled. Source: Core
13:44:31 <Sn0uu> even the thought of it is terrifying
13:44:33 <Steven> not the whisky you dolt
13:44:42 <Steven> the barrel
13:44:48 <Steven> you drink the whisky
13:44:48 <Hydrazine> I've seen wood chips from Jack barrels.
13:44:53 <LoveLynx> all whiskey is aged a certain amount of years
13:44:53 <Sn0uu> mk good
13:44:55 <Sn0uu> just checkin
13:45:09 <Steven> im not a big fan of jack
13:45:14 <Sn0uu> !roll Barrel!
13:45:18 <fued> alright how do i go about signing up for the game on saturday?
13:45:20 <Sn0uu> !roll 1d20 Barrel!
13:45:21 <dicebot> Sn0uu, Barrel!: [1d20=5] 5
13:45:32 <Sn0uu> hit accept
13:45:36 <Steven> although that Gentleman's Jack they put out is decent enough stuff
13:45:37 <Sn0uu> then do a barrel roll
13:45:55 <fued> but i just signed up, i dont have an invite
13:46:07 <Sn0uu> ah...
13:46:14 * Sn0uu walks away
13:46:23 <Steven> oh man.... deliriums tangle....
13:46:31 <Steven> i kinda wanna play that again...
13:46:38 * Sn0uu blinks
13:46:51 <Sn0uu> that like, before computers?
13:48:00 <Hydrazine> I did that one.
13:48:11 <Steven> you played deliriums tangle?
13:48:34 <Hydrazine> Yar.
13:52:57 <Mekkis> wow
13:53:01 <Mekkis> 221 posts now
13:53:16 <Mekkis> I'm starting to feel guilty about raising that issue
13:53:41 <Steven> what issue...
13:53:50 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz6mla?Players-using-additional-resources-they-do-not
13:54:16 <Steven> oh that... yeah.... people love to get side tracked
13:54:21 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if showing it to new players is a good idea :S
13:56:33 <Steven> than dont
13:56:57 <fued> too late!
14:01:19 <Sn0uu> 4 bait
14:02:39 <Mekkis> long story short: Please don't use additional resources you don't own. The table GM probably won't do anything about it, but it's bad for everyone.
14:03:54 <fued> cant you just link to online resources?
14:04:12 <Steven> if you buy the Core, APG, UC, UM, and UE you will have more options than you will ever get to play.
14:04:33 <fued> ive only got the Core and APG on order at the moment, hoping that will be enough lol
14:04:52 <Steven> imo, get the pdfs, it saves a great deal of money
14:05:04 <Steven> you can buy all the PDFs for just over the price of one of the books
14:05:09 <Steven> in hardcover
14:05:29 <Mekkis> fued, the Core Rulebook is Enough
14:05:58 <fued> im not just playing tho, im trying to design a game based around the system, so its all claimed back on tax anyway
14:06:32 <Mekkis> I claim all the office supplies I use for PFS as a business expense.
14:06:40 <Mekkis> I should probably extend that to the scenarios
14:06:54 <Steven> lol
14:07:13 <Sn0uu> i need to leave
14:07:17 <Steven> see ya
14:07:17 <Sn0uu> ttyl prob
14:07:25 <Mekkis> my business was $57 in the black last year!
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14:07:37 <Steven> go go mekkis!
14:07:58 <fued> mines sitting on $0 at the moment.. reluctant to release my first iphone game in the new iphone6 store
14:08:06 <fued> they messed everything up for new releases :(
14:09:35 <Mekkis> fued, it's not negative?
14:10:18 <Mekkis> Steven, what's your opinion about printing pirated PDFs of hardcovers you own?
14:10:41 <LoveLynx> Fine I would say
14:11:23 <LoveLynx> Odd pages of rules and classes, not reprinting the book a couple times over, that's pushing it
14:12:28 <MekkisScreen> that's what I do: the relevent pages are with my character sheets
14:12:40 <MekkisScreen> I often also bring the book, but not always
14:12:59 <LoveLynx> hardcovers are just that little bit too cumbersome
14:13:32 <MekkisScreen> yeah. I don't want to bring my copy of the Advanced Race Guide
14:14:04 <MekkisScreen> or Rise of the Runelords Anneversary Edition
14:14:17 <fued> well not unless you count the cost of my time
14:18:11 <MekkisScreen> not paying for a development machine?
14:20:01 <fued> already had them all set up and licenses from hobby development, guess i could count them
14:20:30 <fued> only just quit my job making websites to start up a inde game company lol
14:21:26 <Steven> alright back
14:21:43 <Steven> I believe printing pirated material is the same as using pirated material
14:22:31 <Steven> My friend Midgard gave me PDFs of the core assumption when i first started out so i could build a character or two and see if i enjoyed the game.
14:22:56 <Steven> Once i knew i would be playing the game, i started replacing them.
14:23:12 <Steven> Finished out my core assumptiong earlier this month with my purchase of beast 3
14:26:02 <Steven> my first character Folnor used a feat not in the core assumption so i bought Gnomes of Golarion about a week and a half after i started playing
14:26:08 <Steven> rather a trait
14:28:55 <Steven> man its raining fierce here
14:29:06 <fued> sunny here lol
14:29:14 <Steven> lucky you....
14:29:21 <Steven> imma have to put another log on the fire soon
14:29:33 <fued> im freezing, yet its around 30c outside... my office stores cold lol
14:31:53 <Steven> its like 6C here
14:35:08 <fued> do you think theres room for a second pathfinder game aimed at a more casual storybased audience rather than the fancy online one thats in development?
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14:35:41 <Steven> i know not of which you speak
14:36:17 <fued> video game
14:36:33 <Steven> oh man..... its pounding down
14:37:43 <MekkisScreen> I believe that if you pay for them, you can legally format-shift them. Australian copyright law supports this
14:38:31 <fued> would it? i thought a reproduction of thier IP would be against the law
14:48:41 <Steven> dude this is awesome
14:48:42 <Steven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KB53H3-qOWk#!
14:48:52 <Steven> i would so totally watch that movie
14:51:44 <MekkisScreen> fued: format-shifting is specifically legal in Australia
15:08:11 <MekkisScreen> ~fued: it's hard to have something casual, story based
15:08:33 <MekkisScreen> to play in a campaign, you need a fair amount of committment
15:10:07 <fued> an instanced multiplayer choose ur own adventure with isometric battle engine lol
15:10:14 <fued> based on pathfinder ruleset
15:11:54 <MekkisScreen> 0
15:21:31 <fued> i got a write up on it here http://codepad.org/0ylPeASx if you want to read about it
15:43:14 <Steven> oh man.....
15:43:28 <Steven> i am so freakin bored...
15:44:06 <Brunius> Do my english homework for me
15:44:26 <Steven> bwaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
15:44:27 <Steven> no
15:44:34 <Steven> i mean i would but ide fail it on purpose
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16:01:50 <Hydrazine> He'd write a whole essay about your teacher's mom.
16:02:43 <Brunius> Do it.
16:02:47 <Steven> hell of a lady....
16:03:02 <Steven> well once you knock the cobwebs down from between her thighs
16:06:01 <Hydrazine> Make sure you talk about the time you did the Nervous Porcupine with her.
16:06:32 <Brunius> Oh yeah, I forgot about format-shifting being specifically legal here
16:06:38 <Brunius> MekkisScreen
16:07:05 <Steven> no, thats just crude...
16:07:27 <Steven> ill write about the time i invited 6 of my friends over to run the train
16:11:44 <Avatar> :o)
16:11:58 <Ballig> :o)
16:29:29 <MekkisScreen> £ Brunius
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16:38:15 <Avatar> pay what you want for interplay games: http://www.gog.com/interplay/?pp=e1a864f0b77f6c89794827a9035355dc8d052622
16:38:44 <Ballig> what if I want to pay -$1
16:41:30 <Sn0uu> too bad
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16:46:27 <Avatar> try it maybe it will work
16:46:50 <Sn0uu> that a broken referal link?
16:52:10 <MekkisScreen> hat does The Brune want?
17:00:54 <Avatar> nope, should work
17:00:57 <Wrothmonk> No wonder you can pay what you want, those games a terrible.
17:01:07 <Avatar> they are classics
17:01:16 <Wrothmonk> That don't work
17:01:24 <Avatar> they do work
17:01:31 <Wrothmonk> on a mac at least.
17:01:31 <Avatar> why do you think they don't work
17:01:37 <Avatar> forget macs
17:01:42 <Avatar> nothing works on a mac
17:01:59 <Wrothmonk> WoW does
17:02:12 <Wrothmonk> Minecraft
17:02:19 <Wrothmonk> starcraft 2
17:02:23 <Wrothmonk> black and white
17:02:30 <Wrothmonk> portal
17:02:32 <Wrothmonk> tf2
17:02:59 <Wrothmonk> tons of stuff works
17:03:10 <Wrothmonk> but lets not get into a mac vs pc debate.
17:04:05 <Sn0uu> sup
17:04:20 <MekkisScreen> !recentsheets
17:04:25 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 21 00:08 443 Sargon
17:04:25 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 21 00:07 431 Gustav
17:04:25 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 21 00:07 379 Sparky
17:04:25 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 20 00:07 333 Bairaq
17:04:26 <diebot> MekkisScreen, Oct 14 00:08 447 Butaro
17:04:29 <Sn0uu> ftl is crap
17:04:37 <MekkisScreen> wow
17:04:43 <MekkisScreen> !history 333
17:04:45 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r36 | vpsirc | 2012-10-20 00:09:08 -0400 (Sat, 20 Oct 2012) | 1 line
17:04:46 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r4 | vpsirc | 2012-07-21 02:54:28 -0400 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012) | 1 line
17:04:46 <diebot> MekkisScreen, r3 | initial load | 2012-07-21 00:05:09 -0400 (Sat, 21 Jul 2012) | 1 line
17:04:49 <Sn0uu> its like something that i'd play on Kong for free
17:04:56 <MekkisScreen> !diff 333 r4
17:04:57 <diebot> MekkisScreen, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/333r4.txt
17:05:32 <Brunius> Wow?
17:05:37 <Wrothmonk> Kongregate?
17:12:50 <MekkisScreen> Bairaq is one year older
17:12:56 <MekkisScreen> and bought a headband
17:13:01 <Brunius> How dare he be one year older
17:13:15 <MekkisScreen> everyone knows how lovely you look with a headband
17:21:46 <Mekkis> :)
17:40:47 <Sn0uu> yeah
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18:13:38 <Avatar> yeah it is top notch advice
18:13:41 <Avatar> bobby is my new hero
18:14:44 <Mekkis> Brunius, passworded 7z file works
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19:12:29 <fued> lots and lots of underground cave dungeons? lol
19:12:46 <Brunius> Accidental fireballs?
19:16:12 <fued> monsters which really love grease spells
19:22:23 <MekkisScreen> so Brunius: when is Bairaq getting his wand of Holy Sword?
19:22:33 <Brunius> Probably when he can afford it
19:22:37 <Brunius> How much is it, anyway?
19:22:41 <MekkisScreen> start saving
19:22:42 <MekkisScreen> :)
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20:22:11 <Wrothmonk> Thats an elf.
20:22:15 <Meander> oh... a Pixie Barb named Navi!
20:22:16 <Wrothmonk> not pixie
20:22:19 <Wrothmonk> oh god
20:22:24 <Meander> HEY! LISTEN!
20:22:28 * Wrothmonk takes out gag
20:22:34 <Wrothmonk> SHUT THE F*** UP!!!
20:22:44 <Meander> mmmppffff
20:23:01 * Wrothmonk places gag in theoretical pixie barb
20:23:06 <Wrothmonk> 's mouth*
20:23:12 <Meander> mmmmmmfffpfpfppfff
20:23:36 <Meander> Irony: Navi using the Masamune
20:23:57 <Wrothmonk> which is?
20:24:23 <Meander> why is the hilt of the sword glowing? and who's swinging it?
20:24:40 <Wrothmonk> heh… Excalibar returns!
20:25:01 <Hydrazine> Can't use a two handed oversized weapon
20:25:18 <Meander> Hydrazine, there's a fan-based mod for that
20:25:41 <Hydrazine> Saying theres a fan-based mod for something means absolutely nothing.
20:25:47 <Wrothmonk> I don't even see pixies in d20pfsrd database
20:26:07 <Wrothmonk> as an actual racd
20:26:09 <Wrothmonk> race*
20:26:12 <Hydrazine> Theres probably a fan-based mod for skyrim where all the bears are turned into naked chicks and all the chicks are replaced with chairs.
20:26:13 <Meander> edit: Hydrazine, there's a nothing
20:26:34 <Steven> for pixies
20:26:35 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/fey/pixie
20:26:36 <Meander> prolly
20:26:51 <Hydrazine> Thats because they aren't in any books as playable races. You have to look in the bestiary.
20:26:54 <Wrothmonk> yeah thats what I found.
20:28:02 <Wrothmonk> So yes, that confirms that pixies are not a playable race.
20:28:06 <Sn0uu> omg
20:28:10 <Sn0uu> whats with all the chat?
20:28:18 <Wrothmonk> We are geeks
20:28:21 <Wrothmonk> or nerds
20:28:23 <Wrothmonk> your preerence
20:28:25 <Meander> sorry... I thought this was a chat room
20:28:42 <Wrothmonk> and we are talking about pathfinder character cration
20:28:44 <Wrothmonk> creation*
20:28:53 <Wrothmonk> brb laundry
20:28:54 <Hydrazine> Well, its not that uncommon for DMs in regular homebrew campaigns to allow races from the bestiary.
20:28:57 <Meander> well... that's how it started at least, lol
20:29:02 <Hydrazine> But for Society play.. No, not legal.
20:29:08 <Meander> ah
20:29:15 <Meander> yay for organization!
20:30:37 <Meander> is there a game going on at the moment?
20:30:56 <Steven> not at the momment
20:31:11 <Meander> ok, just checkin
20:34:12 <Wrothmonk> you would know if there was a game going
20:34:18 <Wrothmonk> so many dice rolls...
20:34:27 <Wrothmonk> So little time...
20:35:21 <Sn0uu> rabble
20:35:27 <Wrothmonk> Rabble rabble
20:37:09 <Wrothmonk> ok… what do I need beyond weapons and armor...
20:38:19 <Meander> a waterclock
20:38:28 <Meander> very important, lol
20:38:55 <Hydrazine> A harem.
20:39:02 <Hydrazine> Never leave home without a good harem.
20:39:11 <Wrothmonk> backpack!
20:39:13 <Meander> err... rather distracting though...
20:39:22 <Hydrazine> You're gonna need an elephant too, to carry the waterclock.
20:39:28 <Meander> lol
20:39:33 <Hydrazine> And then another elephant to carry enough food for the first elephant.
20:39:47 <Meander> what will the 2nd elephant eat?
20:39:49 <Sn0uu> what about a sniper rouge?
20:40:09 <Meander> are they heavy too?
20:41:01 <Wrothmonk> lol...
20:41:13 <Wrothmonk> Why not have them eat eachother?
20:41:20 <Wrothmonk> cannibal elephant fight!!!
20:41:34 <Meander> can a sniper rogue eat an elephant in one sitting?
20:42:05 <Wrothmonk> Depends, what race?
20:42:11 <Meander> gnome
20:42:14 <Wrothmonk> No.
20:42:18 <Meander> pixie
20:42:22 <Wrothmonk> Half orc possibly
20:42:24 <Meander> oh wait... nevermind
20:42:25 <Wrothmonk> could
20:42:44 <Sn0uu> wtf @ waterclock
20:42:54 <Meander> that's ok, just put the leftovers in the backpack
20:43:02 <Sn0uu> don't they take up a ton of room and take forever to setup?
20:43:09 <Meander> does raw elephant keep well?
20:43:15 <Wrothmonk> Thus the elephant to carry it.
20:43:20 <Meander> BRB
20:44:04 <Wrothmonk> oh god… Pathfinder has crowbars
20:44:04 <Sn0uu> right, i hadn't caught up yet
20:44:10 <Sn0uu> but very entertaining :D
20:44:27 <Wrothmonk> Run for your lives! the face eating rats are coming!!!
20:44:36 * Sn0uu uses crowbars as ranged weapons
20:44:36 <Wrothmonk> undead face eating giant rats*
20:45:39 <Wrothmonk> Wow… Has nobody played half life?
20:45:51 <Sn0uu> PS!
20:45:57 <Sn0uu> I just hit LOL lvl 30! :D
20:46:11 <Sn0uu> mmmm half-life
20:46:18 <Wrothmonk> LOL?
20:46:24 <Sn0uu> League of Legends
20:46:26 <Wrothmonk> ah
20:46:37 <Meander> Lots of Loitering
20:46:45 <Wrothmonk> hrm… need to pick faction
20:47:01 <Meander> there's a PDF for that
20:47:02 <Sn0uu> the brutes!
20:47:30 <Meander> ok, that's Halo...
20:47:30 <Wrothmonk> yeah I have the pdf
20:47:35 <Wrothmonk> I want a flowchart.
20:47:40 <Wrothmonk> :p
20:47:43 <Sn0uu> picky
20:47:57 <Meander> what do you think this is? software engineering?
20:48:50 <Wrothmonk> No.
20:48:57 <Wrothmonk> I know software engineering.
20:49:07 <Wrothmonk> Flowcharts can be used with anything though.
20:49:19 <Meander> sewer lines?
20:49:27 <Sn0uu> yeah
20:49:38 <Wrothmonk> Yup
20:49:58 <Meander> yeah... I just wouldn't want to read it...
20:51:03 <Meander> so, if the PFS factions were part of a sewer line flowchart, which would be at the end of the line?
20:51:36 <Wrothmonk> Depend
20:51:39 <Wrothmonk> depends*
20:51:51 <Meander> you're not supposed to flush those...
20:51:52 <Wrothmonk> Is it the clogged up area or the one with the most crap
20:52:03 <Meander> you pick :D
20:52:39 <Wrothmonk> Andoran would be the clogged up bit, sczarni would be the bit that gets the most crap.
20:53:00 <Meander> splain
20:54:09 <Sn0uu> what are thoes
20:54:18 <Meander> depends
20:55:42 <Meander> !roll 1d20
20:55:42 <dicebot> Meander, 1d20: [1d20=4] 4
20:55:56 <Meander> !roll 2d20+4
20:55:56 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20+4: [2d20=14,4] 22
20:56:08 <Meander> ah nice!
20:56:16 <Meander> !roll 2d20/3
20:56:16 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20/3: [2d20=4,16/3] 20
20:56:46 <Meander> !roll 2d20x2
20:56:46 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20x2: [2d20=7,12x2] 19
20:57:00 <Meander> !roll 2d20 2
20:57:01 <dicebot> Meander, 2: [2d20=20,8] 28
20:57:26 <Meander> !roll2d20-4
20:57:45 <Meander> 4 + !roll2d20
20:57:58 <Meander> !roll 2d20-4
20:57:58 <dicebot> Meander, 2d20-4: [2d20=15,14] 25
20:58:06 <Sn0uu> !roll 1d1 roll
20:58:06 <dicebot> Sn0uu, roll: [1d1=1] 1
20:58:15 <Sn0uu> awwwwww natual 1! :(
20:58:35 * Meander wants to roll a super-natural 1
20:58:41 <MekkisScreen> !throw 1d20
20:58:42 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 1d20: [1d20=10] 10
20:58:49 <Meander> !throw 1d20
20:58:49 <diebot> Meander, 1d20: [1d20=8] 8
20:58:52 <MekkisScreen> !throw 4r4
20:58:53 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 4r4: [4r4=2,3,1,3] 9
20:58:58 <MekkisScreen> !throw 4r4
20:58:58 <diebot> MekkisScreen, 4r4: [4r4=4,4,1,1,3,2] 15
20:59:01 <Meander> !throw 2d20+4
20:59:01 <diebot> Meander, 2d20+4: [2d20=10,13] 27
20:59:17 <Meander> !throw 2d8-3
20:59:17 <diebot> Meander, 2d8-3: [2d8=3,2] 2
20:59:39 <Meander> !throw 2d8*2
20:59:39 <diebot> Meander, 2d8*2: [2d8=5,7] 14
20:59:52 <MekkisScreen> noone multiplies dice
20:59:52 <Meander> !throw 2d6x2
20:59:53 <diebot> Meander, 2d6x2: [2d6=1,2] 5
21:00:02 <MekkisScreen> !feat Lightning Reflexes
21:00:03 <diebot> MekkisScreen, LIGHTNING REFLEXES [] You have faster reflexes than normal.
21:00:03 <diebot> Benefit: You get a +2 bonus on all Reflex saving throws. Source: Core
21:00:13 <Meander> oooh...
21:00:14 <MekkisScreen> !spell Magic Missile
21:00:21 <MekkisScreen> !spelldesc Magic Missile
21:00:23 <diebot> MekkisScreen, MAGIC MISSILE evocation ([force]) sorcerer/wizard 1, magus 1 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Duration: instantaneous Save: none SR:yes
21:00:24 <Meander> !feat Fast Movement
21:00:24 <diebot> A missile of magical energy darts forth from your fingertip and strikes its target, dealing 1d4+1 points of force damage. The missile strikes unerringly, even if the target is in melee combat, so long as it has less than total cover or total concealment. Specific parts of a creature can't be singled out. Objects are not damaged by the spell. For
21:00:24 <diebot> every two caster levels beyond 1st, you gain an additional missile-two at 3rd level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the maximum of five missiles at 9th level or higher. If you shoot multiple missiles, you can have them strike a single creature or several creatures. A single missile can strike only one creature. You must designate targets before you
21:00:24 <diebot> check for spell resistance or roll damage.
21:00:40 <MekkisScreen> Fast Movement is a feat?
21:00:51 <Meander> err... Class Feature
21:01:00 <Meander> !feature Fast Movement
21:01:04 <Meander> ok...
21:01:04 <MekkisScreen> I don't store class features yet
21:01:23 <Meander> nice, mind if I ask what language you wrote it in?
21:01:27 <MekkisScreen> ruby
21:01:31 <Meander> cool
21:01:57 <Meander> does it respond to PMs?
21:02:10 <MekkisScreen> I've released the sourcecode, but it's got a bunch of hardcoded stuff in it so it probably won't work on any other system
21:02:13 <MekkisScreen> it dies
21:02:14 <MekkisScreen> does
21:02:34 <MekkisScreen> you might need to say IDENTIFY if it isn't identified to nickserv
21:02:39 <Meander> the source code is on the web? can I have the URL?
21:03:00 <MekkisScreen> an earlier version is
21:03:04 <Meander> ok
21:03:32 <MekkisScreen> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/diebot-bones-release20110704.tar.bz2
21:03:51 <MekkisScreen> a later release shall be released When I Get Around To It
21:03:55 <MekkisScreen> :)
21:04:14 <fued> Hi people
21:04:15 <Meander> WIGATI
21:04:21 <Meander> I have to remember that
21:04:25 <Meander> hey fued
21:06:55 <MekkisScreen> hi
21:07:17 <fued> Im new here, just wondering if anyone has some advice for joining a group and playing?
21:07:27 <Meander> fued, am new here too
21:07:32 <MekkisScreen> what city/state are you in?
21:07:53 <fued> sydney/aus
21:08:59 <Sn0uu> CANADA!
21:09:01 <Sn0uu> whoot
21:10:32 <fued> i think theres a pathfinder group starting up nearby, at least thats what thier website says, but im really trying to research this game as much as i can, as im planning a small RPG for iphone
21:10:41 <MekkisScreen> fued: if you want to play in-person, I believe Alistair Rigg runs stuff weekly
21:11:25 <Meander> fued, designing a game? single or multi play?
21:11:48 <fued> well its still in the concept phase at the moment
21:11:56 <MekkisScreen> otherwise, we run stuff online, pretty much every weekend
21:11:59 <Meander> ah ok
21:12:14 <fued> ive got a text file around here somewhere with the concept, and ive got prototypes that allow multiplayer
21:12:25 <fued> im not sure if i want to expand it that big... im a small dev company not a large one lol
21:12:39 <Meander> do you run any Pathfinder (not Pathfinder Society)?
21:12:46 <Meander> fued, yes understandable
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21:14:30 <fued> originally i was basing my game on 3.5 from d&d.. but pathfinder seems so much more balanced/adaptable
21:16:12 <fued> so now im trying to learn all about it, already got the core book and advanced book on order lol
21:18:30 <fued> what time on weekends do you guys run/would a new player be able to join?
21:18:59 <MekkisScreen> read the /topic
21:19:14 <MekkisScreen> Sat 27th 3pm, Ballig's running something
21:21:29 <fued> Would i be better off signing up for pfs or the other one?
21:21:40 <MekkisScreen> it's PFS
21:21:44 <fued> oh ok
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21:22:04 <MekkisScreen> they're both PFS, but the morning one is a continuation
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21:24:35 <fued> ah ok
21:24:39 <fued> thanks :)
21:24:45 <fued> ill go sign up for pfs lol
21:24:52 <Wrothmonk> ok done with my fighter, anyone want to look it over to make sure I didn't miss anything?
21:27:10 <MekkisScreen> sure
21:27:13 <MekkisScreen> link?
21:27:16 <Wrothmonk> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=538
21:27:48 <Wrothmonk> Going to enter PFS # once I make sure I got everything.
21:31:58 <MekkisScreen> Wrothmonk: ability scores are wrong
21:32:55 <Wrothmonk> ok fixed that. For some reason I had a 12 in con, meant to just have 10
21:33:00 <MekkisScreen> if you star with 15/16/12/12/10/8, (before racial mods), you've got 19 points
21:33:33 <MekkisScreen> if you have 13/18/12/12/10/8, you've got 21 points
21:34:11 <MekkisScreen> if you put 10 in con, save yourself the time and rip up your sheet: you won't survive as a fighter :P
21:34:36 <Steven> yeah... thats a death sentence... unless you going for archery build
21:34:46 <Hydrazine> Even then I'd say its still a bad idea.
21:34:50 <Steven> in which case its a death sentence
21:35:04 <MekkisScreen> also: always put your racial mod into your highest stat. Otherwise it's a waste of points
21:35:07 <Mekkis> "Concept characters still need to be effective, or they wouldn't be sent on extremely dangerous missions. If all your character does is pile up knowledge skills, you should be in the library. Being a skill monkey is great, but you still need to be able to contribute when violence ensues."
21:35:11 <Wrothmonk> Yeah good point, 19 ac is going to hit me with crits.
21:35:22 <MekkisScreen> (if you've got a floating racial mod)
21:35:44 <fued> where did you create that sheet at?
21:35:53 <Wrothmonk> On this channels website
21:36:33 <fued> cool thanks
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21:39:34 <Wrothmonk> ok how does 13, 16, 15, 12, 10, 8 with a +2 in dex for my human racial sound
21:39:57 <Hydrazine> As a fighter?
21:40:14 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, I have weapon finnesse
21:40:30 <Hydrazine> What kind of armor you planning on wearing?
21:40:50 <Wrothmonk> Chain shirt
21:40:54 <Hydrazine> Damage is probably going to be rather low until you can afford a pair of +2 weapons.
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21:41:11 <Steven> why you gonna wear a chain shirt?
21:43:35 <Wrothmonk> hrm...
21:44:31 <Wrothmonk> how about 14 16 15 10 10 8
21:45:13 <Hydrazine> So whats the concept you're going for here?
21:45:16 <Hydrazine> Whats the idea?
21:46:58 <Sn0uu> its a lightbulb
21:47:02 <Sn0uu> above the head
21:47:03 <Wrothmonk> ...
21:47:04 <Wrothmonk> lol
21:47:06 <Sn0uu> sometimes it lights up
21:48:17 <Wrothmonk> Well I'm going to aim for doing damage while still being able to not get hit as much as my sorcerer.
21:48:39 <fued> whats consdiered a "high intelligence" for determining languages usually?
21:48:50 <Wrothmonk> one language per plus in int mod
21:49:02 <Wrothmonk> one extra*
21:49:02 <fued> phew
21:49:14 <fued> making a halfling bard, want him to be able to speak at least elvish lol
21:49:22 <Wrothmonk> Why?
21:49:29 <fued> seems like something a bard would do
21:49:40 <Wrothmonk> Ok then...
21:51:53 <Wrothmonk> Well anyway with 14, 18, 15, 10, 10, 8, as my stat build I would get a +3 to attack rolls with both weapons at once and a 1d6+2 damage with one, and a 1d6+1 with the other.
21:52:50 <Sn0uu> rawr
21:52:55 <Sn0uu> !roll 5r5
21:53:01 <Wrothmonk> As they are both light weapons.
21:53:02 <Sn0uu> !roll 4r4
21:53:06 <Sn0uu> ...
21:53:13 <Wrothmonk> try a d instead of a r
21:53:16 <Hydrazine> Personally I think Ranger is the most effective way to do two weapon fighting and still get damage
21:53:18 <Sn0uu> !throw 5r6
21:53:20 <diebot> Sn0uu, 5r6: [5r6=4,6,5,6,2,6,5,4] 38
21:53:21 <Sn0uu> damit
21:53:24 <Sn0uu> thank you
21:53:30 <Hydrazine> Its throw, not roll.
21:53:36 <Sn0uu> i see that
21:53:40 <Hydrazine> Different bots.
21:53:53 <Hydrazine> Not all di(c)ebots are created equal.
21:54:10 <Wrothmonk> well isn't a ranger, oh I don't know… Ranged?
21:54:17 <Sn0uu> Hey
21:54:19 <Hydrazine> ...Not always?
21:54:29 <MekkisScreen> yeah. diebot is better :P
21:54:32 <Sn0uu> any of you wanna sign up for D&D on a 'clan site' for me?
21:54:35 <Hydrazine> two weapon fighting has been a standard ranger method for ages.
21:54:44 <fued> ranger refers to the fact that they "range about" typically, not that they use ranged weapons, not sure bout pathfinder, but thats usually in other things
21:54:53 <Hydrazine> Fued's all over it.
21:54:58 <Wrothmonk> Huh ok, I stand corrected.
21:55:11 <fued> plus u get a cool pet usually lol
21:56:27 <Sn0uu> ya I didn't think rangers were about having range
21:56:38 <Sn0uu> but
21:56:42 <Sn0uu> ya neva know
21:58:46 <Wrothmonk> hrm yeah… Actually ranger looks like the kind of thing I want to do even though I would prefer to have two weapon fighting at level 1… Ah well its 3 games.
21:59:16 <fued> how do you select which skills are "trained"?
21:59:29 <Hydrazine> You put ranks in them.
21:59:36 <Hydrazine> Skills you've put skill ranks in, are trained.
21:59:38 <Wrothmonk> well if its one of your class skills and there is a rank in it, the skill is trained.
21:59:44 <fued> oh ok thanks
21:59:59 <Hydrazine> No, Wroth. Theres a difference between class skills and trained skills.
22:00:23 <Wrothmonk> Oh? ok. I thought it was only class skills. So whats the benefit of that then?
22:00:39 <Hydrazine> Also, Wroth: You take TWF as your level 1 feat, double slice at 2.
22:00:52 * Wrothmonk facepalm
22:00:54 <Wrothmonk> durrrrr
22:01:16 <Hydrazine> Well, trained class skills get a +3 bonus, because your class is just more proficient with that sort of thing.
22:01:32 <Hydrazine> And some skill checks cannot be attempted untrained. Mostly the knowledge skills.
22:01:52 <Hydrazine> You can try to walk across a tightrope without training. Sure you'll probably fall, but you can try!
22:01:57 <Wrothmonk> oh so I could have a rank in use magic device, not have it be a class skill, and still have it be trained?
22:02:06 <Hydrazine> You can't try to answer complicated physics questions accurately without some training.
22:02:46 <Wrothmonk> ok then, class changing to ranger since it will be pretty much the same thing :p
22:03:07 <Hydrazine> You still don't see the big difference between fighter TWF and ranger TWF.
22:03:22 <Wrothmonk> and that is?
22:03:36 <Hydrazine> Dex requirements.
22:03:48 <MekkisScreen> ja
22:03:52 <Hydrazine> To get improved TWF at level 6, a fighter has to have the 17 dex.
22:04:05 <Wrothmonk> Yeah your right...
22:04:13 <Hydrazine> Rangers get to bypass the requirements for the fighting style feats.
22:04:27 <Hydrazine> So you can arrange for more strength in the point buy
22:04:51 <Hydrazine> And not end up hitting like a chump because you gotta have sky-high dex.
22:05:36 <fued> wow is there any way to find which feats might be more applicable?
22:05:49 <Hydrazine> Careful reading of all the feats you can find?
22:05:57 <Wrothmonk> Thats about it.
22:06:19 <Hydrazine> Um. I'd say most of the kind of thing I'm talking about now, you just sort of pick it up from experience with crunching the rules alot.
22:06:52 <Hydrazine> Part of whats good about fighters, is nomatter what sort of fighter you want to build, most of the best feats for you, are very obvious.
22:06:59 <Wrothmonk> quick question, does reducing int reduce your skills per level as well?
22:07:07 <Hydrazine> want to hit things really hard? power attack. The name alone is enough to get the message.
22:07:12 <Hydrazine> Yes.
22:07:18 <Wrothmonk> K just making sure.
22:07:49 <Hydrazine> Want to be good with a shield? Shield focus! Want to hit things with two weapons? two weapon fighting!
22:08:31 <Hydrazine> This is a big difference from something like monks for example, where to make a really powerful monk, the choices aren't really so obvious.
22:08:41 <fued> bard doesnt seem easy lol
22:09:07 <Steven> bards are pretty awesome
22:09:18 <Steven> they pretty much face and skill monkies
22:09:21 <fued> im thinking weapon finesse since my halfling is low on strength
22:09:21 <Steven> and then in combat
22:09:31 <fued> otherwise ill be pretty useless wont i?
22:09:33 <Steven> first round they start inspiring
22:09:40 <Steven> and then they run around buffing
22:09:49 <Steven> thats pretty much bard in a nutshell
22:12:59 <fued> so you wouldnt actually attack much/at all?
22:13:22 <Steven> not as much as other classes
22:16:04 <MekkisScreen> Hydrazine: these are still some traps in fighters
22:16:37 <Hydrazine> Go on.
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23:41:38 <Steven> so that leaves changing the subject.
23:42:24 <Sn0uu> heh
23:42:25 <Sn0uu> seem
23:43:39 <Sn0uu> you didn't change the subject old man...
23:43:51 <Hydrazine> I think, seasoned like a barrel they've aged whiskey in for 30 years.
23:44:04 <Steven> dude that would smell so good while burning....
23:44:38 <Sn0uu> why would you burn whiskey?
23:44:45 <Steven> now i kinda wanna find a whisky barrel
23:44:47 <Sn0uu> even the thought of it is terrifying
23:44:49 <Steven> not the whisky you dolt
23:44:58 <Steven> the barrel
23:45:04 <Steven> you drink the whisky
23:45:04 <Hydrazine> I've seen wood chips from Jack barrels.
23:45:08 <LoveLynx> all whiskey is aged a certain amount of years
23:45:09 <Sn0uu> mk good
23:45:11 <Sn0uu> just checkin
23:45:25 <Steven> im not a big fan of jack
23:45:30 <Sn0uu> !roll Barrel!
23:45:34 <fued> alright how do i go about signing up for the game on saturday?
23:45:36 <Sn0uu> !roll 1d20 Barrel!
23:45:36 <dicebot> Sn0uu, Barrel!: [1d20=5] 5
23:45:48 <Sn0uu> hit accept
23:45:52 <Steven> although that Gentleman's Jack they put out is decent enough stuff
23:45:53 <Sn0uu> then do a barrel roll
23:46:11 <fued> but i just signed up, i dont have an invite
23:46:23 <Sn0uu> ah...
23:46:30 * Sn0uu walks away
23:46:39 <Steven> oh man.... deliriums tangle....
23:46:47 <Steven> i kinda wanna play that again...
23:46:54 * Sn0uu blinks
23:47:07 <Sn0uu> that like, before computers?
23:48:16 <Hydrazine> I did that one.
23:48:27 <Steven> you played deliriums tangle?
23:48:50 <Hydrazine> Yar.
23:53:14 <Mekkis> wow
23:53:17 <Mekkis> 221 posts now
23:53:33 <Mekkis> I'm starting to feel guilty about raising that issue
23:53:57 <Steven> what issue...
23:54:07 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz6mla?Players-using-additional-resources-they-do-not
23:54:32 <Steven> oh that... yeah.... people love to get side tracked
23:54:37 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if showing it to new players is a good idea :S
23:56:49 <Steven> than dont
23:57:13 <fued> too late!
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