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00:01 <Hydrazine> Go see if theres anything alive in there.
00:21 <Mekkis> come back when there isn't
00:28 <Mekkis> 'night
00:44 <Hydrazine> I don't think its unreasonable to have a way of reading a yes/no answer from this, even without magic.
01:26 <Hydrazine> I mean, police dogs are trained to look for things and alert their handler when they've found it.
02:15 <Hydrazine> And an instruction to look for something without any action based on this seems.. well, half assed.
04:12 <Urist> true
04:41 <Hydrazine> Like the command: "Mort, find me a pencil."
06:34 <Urist> so i should give specific orders like: " can you smeel any threats in this room? is so Heel"
06:42 <Urist> smell*
07:52 <Hydrazine> Well, my whole speech was pretty much that the seek trick shows that you can have an animal companion go and look for things alive/animated.
08:10 <Hydrazine> But it doesn't say anything about what they do if they find anything.
09:00 <Urist> so what do you suggest?
10:03 <Hydrazine> That seek implies that a companion could have an if/then action attached to it.
10:42 <Hydrazine> A drug-sniffing dog that reacts the same way to a bag full of crack as it does to a bag full of socks isn't being useful.
11:38 <Hydrazine> The same dog that barks or growls or scratches or something, upon finding the stuff, is doing its job.
12:11 <Urist> would squeal give us away too much?
12:35 <Hydrazine> So I suggest that the seek trick should be treated like it includes, at the very least, communication about the results of the search. A simple yes/no.
13:02 <Hydrazine> I don't think having it sit still for no, and run in circles for yes is unreasonable.
13:56 <Urist> but if it found a bunch of undead skeletons it would be a bit odd if it runs in circles
14:18 <Hydrazine> why?
14:39 * Mort- was afk but gives hydrazine a stick instead
14:51 <Hydrazine> Did I tell you to give it to me?
14:54 <Mort-> (What is a pencil?)
15:01 <Hydrazine> Exactly my point.
15:08 <Hydrazine> A command to find something with no other action is silly.
15:22 <Urist> ok, gotcha
16:22 <Mort-> Mighty fists work
16:32 <Urist> so if it does find a threat the running in circles could serve as a distraction
16:42 <Mort-> But strength is cheaper to add damage and attack rating
16:56 <Mort-> However mighty fists lets you overcome dr
17:09 <Mort-> Do i get a cookie?
17:14 <Mort-> For magic
17:54 <Mort-> I was thinking of carrying gmw around then realized if i wanted magic attacks ill just lesser evo surge it
18:01 <Mort-> Not an issue
18:11 <Mort-> Greater magic fang excuse me
18:48 <Mort-> Wouldn't argue that an eidolon has no neck slot really
19:19 <Mort-> And maybe a wand of reduce person is a good idea instead of rod of wonder
19:35 <Mort-> Again - 6 levels to go
19:48 <Mort-> Long time
21:46 <MekkisScreen> what third level spells should Itzamna get?
21:54 <MekkisScreen> D-Door?
21:59 <MekkisScreen> GMF?
22:06 <MekkisScreen> SM4?
22:33 <MekkisScreen> Black tentacles?
22:51 <MekkisScreen> Evolution surge
23:07 <MekkisScreen> the problem with summoners is that their spell list is too good :)
24:43 <Urist> so my character creation is finally done? thanks for all your help everyone
27:21 <Mort-> Evo surge
27:31 <Mort-> Gmf i think maybe
27:46 <Mort-> Ddoor is a good one too
27:51 <Mort-> But you already have it
27:53 <Mort-> Np
28:02 <Hydrazine> I meant more like it goes, it looks, comes back, and then either sits or runs around.
28:08 <Hydrazine> Not at the enemy.
28:09 <Mort-> Hydra is cool though
28:34 <Urist> ah, but what if it doesnt come back?
28:58 <Hydrazine> Overall this is a much bigger speech than I ever thought I would give about animal handling.
29:19 <Hydrazine> Could tie a string to it, give it a pull to come back if hes gone too long?
29:27 <Hydrazine> Or run in, because its probably found trouble.
30:36 <Urist> ok
32:21 <Mort-> Screw it give me an imp for scouting any day
32:22 <Mort-> :
32:26 <Mort-> :p
33:18 <Mort-> Screw it why does the dark side get all the goodies
33:42 <Hydrazine> Because you never read the Book of Exalted Deers.
33:46 <Hydrazine> Deeds.
34:31 <Mort-> What does it contain
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34:57 <Hydrazine> It was a 3.x splat book full of content specifically for good characters.
35:11 <Mort-> Aw
35:13 <Hydrazine> A pretty good bit of it was crazy overpowered.
35:17 <Mort-> Lol
35:29 <Hydrazine> But the one that really stands out, is the vow of poverty monk.
35:32 <Mort-> I'm thinking of having an earth elemental familiar
35:36 <Mort-> Oh that one
35:47 <Hydrazine> Yeah, Exalted Deeds is where it came from.
35:49 <Mort-> Send him in using earth glide
36:10 <Mort-> Then poke nose up and down again all in one round
36:12 <Mort-> Possible?
36:36 <Mort-> Or worst case just use tremor sense from the ground to see how many pings
36:46 <Hydrazine> Just to give you an idea, Mort.
37:00 <Mort-> In 6 seconds would you notice an earth elemental doing a submarine thing,g
37:05 <Mort-> ?
38:03 <Mort-> Damn there was something i wanted to check out
38:09 <Mort-> But can't remember what it was
38:18 <Hydrazine> A level 10 Vow of Poverty character has.. +7 AC bonus, +1 natural armor, 5 bonus feats, from a special list, +2 good magic on any attack, +1 all saves...
38:59 <Hydrazine> +2 base ability bonus, endures heat and cold, does not need to eat..
39:03 <Mort-> So what can they not do
39:15 <Mort-> What do you pay for the vow
39:20 <Mort-> No magic items?
40:46 <Hydrazine> No magic items, very few possessions at all, donate your share profit to some form of charity.
41:22 <Hydrazine> oh yeah, I forgot the dr 5/magic.
43:25 <Mort-> True strike abuse - checked
43:37 <Mort-> Gmf and aomf stack or not. Checked
44:54 <Hydrazine> +8 AC most likely beats whatever you might have gotten from gear anyway, being a monk.
49:05 <Urist> nice im going afk
50:34 <Mort-> Mekkis
50:53 <Mort-> How did myz cast when using shadow projection
08:30 <Mort-> Try a syn :p
08:39 <Mort-> More shij
08:40 <Mort-> T
15:07 <Mort-> Night all
36:06 <Hydrazine> I have tea!
37:53 <Mort-> Eschew components?
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51:46 <OrangeShark> Hydrazine you still there?
51:50 <Hydrazine> ?
51:56 <Hydrazine> Just finished my tea.
52:20 <OrangeShark> ah, i was going to ask you one more thing about my character
52:31 <Hydrazine> Hit me.
53:00 <OrangeShark> initivate, how much do i get
53:19 <Hydrazine> Just dex mod unless you got something specific.
53:25 <OrangeShark> i get +2 underground but above ground how much?
53:45 <OrangeShark> ok so its +1(+3)
54:05 <Hydrazine> Mhm.
54:14 <OrangeShark> thanks
54:37 <Hydrazine> So you understand the risks of trying to cast spells or ranged attack while you're in melee?
54:38 <OrangeShark> and coze gets +1?
54:57 <OrangeShark> i think so, its just a bad idea
55:27 <Hydrazine> Would you like a practical example?
56:14 <OrangeShark> please
57:16 <Hydrazine> So for the purpose of the example you and Coze end up in a fight against two hogs with strikingly similar stats to Coze. Mostly because these are convieniently closeby stat blocks.
57:41 <Hydrazine> Coze and one hoggy face off and we're going to ignore them for now. The other one comes right at you.
58:18 <Hydrazine> He attacks, and lets just say he misses. It is now your turn. Pick a spell you want to cast.
58:33 <OrangeShark> ok...
58:53 <OrangeShark> Flare
59:20 <OrangeShark> if i had it prepared?
59:24 <Hydrazine> Even though its your turn, because your casting a spell in melee range, piggy gets an attack of opportunity on you.
59:52 <OrangeShark> ok, so he attacks
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00:13 <Hydrazine> This represents him taking advantage of a good situation; you aren't defending properly because you're wiggling your fingers in the steps of calling down magical doom, or something like that.
00:22 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d20+3
00:23 <diebot> Hydrazine, 1d20+3: [1d20=2] 5
00:37 <OrangeShark> he misses
00:41 <Hydrazine> Crap attempt.
00:51 <OrangeShark> try again
01:08 <Hydrazine> You cast just fine. Lucky though, note that this gets more dangerous as you level up and the melee combatants you face will outpace your AC gains.
01:21 <Hydrazine> Lets say for the sake of example piggy hits.
01:27 <Hydrazine> !throw 1d6+1 damage
01:27 <diebot> Hydrazine, damage: [1d6=2] 3
01:38 <Hydrazine> You take three damage. Not much, but not bad for level 1 fighting.
01:41 <OrangeShark> will i be flatfooted, i ill be back in 15 mins  igtg again
02:06 <Hydrazine> Bah
02:26 <OrangeShark> sorry, i need to but i will be back
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21:56 <Hydrazine> Its Sushi!
22:08 <MincedSushi> It's Hydra! :D
22:15 <MincedSushi> How be you?
22:51 <Hydrazine> Awake.
23:00 <Hydrazine> I've been helping Shark here make a character.
23:03 <MincedSushi> Are you really?
23:13 <Hydrazine> Oh, also I had some comment about how much you'd appreciate his name.
23:29 <MincedSushi> I did actually!
23:33 <Hydrazine> What, you don't think I can be helpful?
23:43 <MincedSushi> I noticed it when I was looking at the scheduled game
24:03 <MincedSushi> That comment was aimed at being awake xD
24:07 <Hydrazine> I have a friend who goes by OpalMonkey. After your discussion on names I find it more amusing.
24:19 <MincedSushi> Isn't it ><
24:37 <Hydrazine> I also had a pretty thorough rant about the seek trick in handle animal. What would you say is reasonable use of this?
24:51 <MincedSushi> I stand by my assertion on naming conventions
25:06 <Hydrazine> I like mine.
25:10 <MincedSushi> Well give me the gist of your rant
25:21 <Hydrazine> In another game, my alternates are Meclizine and Diazane.
25:23 <MincedSushi> What purpose are you looking of the seek trick?
25:51 <Hydrazine> Well, my issue is that RAW do not include the animal DOING anything with the information he gains on a seek.
25:58 <Hydrazine> Which strikes me as bloody stupid.
26:46 <Hydrazine> I seek your opinion on this before I go into the further details of my rant.
28:35 <MincedSushi> I would rule that the animal enters and area and makes active perception or survival checks based on how you are using it.
28:46 <Hydrazine> And then?
28:57 <MincedSushi> Whatever would lead you to find the intended target
29:16 <MincedSushi> And then it gives a tell that it found the target at which you give it another command?
29:31 <Hydrazine> 'communicates this to his handler' a fair paraphrase?
29:43 <MincedSushi> Yes
29:57 <MincedSushi> More than accurate
30:01 <Hydrazine> I completely agree. That was the bulk of my rant, highly simplified.
30:53 <Hydrazine> The specific discussion stemmed from whether or not our new player's druid could send his small boar companion with stealth, perception, and seek, to tell us if theres anything interesting around the next corner.
31:20 <Hydrazine> by anything interesting I mean something either obviously alive or moving.
31:37 <Hydrazine> Which I thought was a pretty cool use of an animal companion.
31:44 <MincedSushi> Yes absolutly he could
32:10 <MincedSushi> When he teaches the animal the trick he sets the tell
32:13 <Hydrazine> So I went and had a look and saw that there doesn't seem to be clarity in RAW that Piggy could come back and give us an answer about it.
32:21 <Hydrazine> Then I got mad and had a spew.
33:56 <MincedSushi> Yea...
34:17 <MincedSushi> The problem is it isn't clar
34:30 <MincedSushi> It infers that you make active perceptions
34:40 <MincedSushi> And nothing else
35:14 <MincedSushi> However that's not how animals are trained to seek in real life.
36:05 <MincedSushi> So I have to include the one small detail in that that it doesn't implicitly mention
38:55 <MincedSushi> I could certainly see how someone might rule against a tell. Which would make the trick near useless. It would be reserved for tracking on a large scale instead and only that.
43:56 <MincedSushi> Honestly since the handle animal skill says the tricks are not limited to the ones there. Teach him " Seek with a tell." Problem solved.
51:47 <OrangeShark> hey, sorry i had to do some work, so i took 3 points of damage
52:48 <MincedSushi> xD
52:56 <MincedSushi> And such is the way of things
53:07 <MincedSushi> It's good to meet you Shark
55:38 <OrangeShark> haha, nice to meet you too sushi :)
58:03 <OrangeShark> so, how are you?
59:09 <MincedSushi> Breakfast :D
59:10 <Hydrazine> Ah.
59:37 <MincedSushi> So are you new around these parts or just been away for awhile?
59:44 <Hydrazine> Yeah, so you take 3 points of damage. Now you have to make a concentration check in order to maintain the focus necessary to finish your spell.
00:03 <OrangeShark> i just started, ok so i 
00:04 <Hydrazine> the DC is 10+damage taken+ spell level. So for this example, 13.
00:29 <Hydrazine> The roll is d20+caster level+main casting stat.
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00:48 <OrangeShark> !throw 1d20
00:49 <diebot> OrangeShark, 1d20: [1d20=3] 3
00:55 <Hydrazine> So 1d20+5.
00:55 <OrangeShark> damn
01:04 <Hydrazine> Thats an 8.
01:07 <OrangeShark> ook
01:11 <Hydrazine> Which does not beat 13.
01:21 <Hydrazine> Which means you just wasted a spell, and did absolutely nothing.
01:50 <OrangeShark> ah, ok, but i have unlimited orisons?
01:56 <Hydrazine> Yes.
02:15 <Hydrazine> But for the most part orisons aren't really what you want to be casting in combat anyway.
02:17 <OrangeShark> so, i never do spells at melee range
02:39 <Hydrazine> And it just gets harder to do at higher levels, and with higher level spells, even bigger resources wasted.
03:06 <OrangeShark> ok, so can we continue the example?
03:22 <OrangeShark> does he roll to attack now?
03:24 <Hydrazine> Also note that next its the boar's turn, and he gets his regular attack. So hes effectively hitting you twice in one round, and you aren't doing anything to him at all yet.
03:31 <Hydrazine> assuming you don't move, yep.
03:58 <OrangeShark> ok, but im not flat footed this time right?
04:09 <Hydrazine> You weren't flat footed before either.
04:24 <Hydrazine> So the lesson here, is tht you don't just cast in melee.
04:38 <Hydrazine> You either take the concentration check to not get hit doing it, or you get out of melee first.
04:42 <OrangeShark> oh, sorry, exactly i wont do that in the future
04:55 <Hydrazine> The first comes with risk though.
05:23 <OrangeShark> what concentration checks?
05:23 <Hydrazine> To not get hit while casting, is the same roll against DC 15+2xspell level.
05:42 <Hydrazine> so 1d20+5 against.. for a level one spell, 17.
06:09 <Hydrazine> Kinda bad odds, yeah?
06:34 <OrangeShark> yeah really bad
06:45 <OrangeShark> i plan not getting close and personal anyway
06:57 <OrangeShark> on getting*
07:20 <OrangeShark> but i have a spear and shield if i do
08:11 <Hydrazine> I'll be back. Feel free to leave questions for me.
08:43 <OrangeShark> ok, where should my concentration checks be in skills?
09:10 <MincedSushi> It isn't a skill
09:44 <OrangeShark> ok, thanks
09:56 <MincedSushi> It's something fundamental to being a caster. Something similar to save DCs.
10:19 <OrangeShark> ok, thanks
10:21 <MincedSushi> Of course there are blank spots all over your sheet you can just fill it in for funs
10:35 <MincedSushi> No problem
11:08 <OrangeShark> so its 1d20+5.
11:15 <OrangeShark> ?
11:30 <OrangeShark> sorry heres my char sheet
11:35 <MincedSushi> You have an 18 wis right?
11:42 <OrangeShark> i do
11:47 <MincedSushi> Then yes it would be
12:04 <OrangeShark> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
12:08 <OrangeShark> thanks
12:33 <MincedSushi> Going for a more caster druid I see.
12:41 <OrangeShark> i am
12:45 <MincedSushi> Dwarf druid xD
12:49 <MincedSushi> I love it
13:07 <OrangeShark> haha, i was orignally thinking gnome
13:55 <MincedSushi> gnome is fun but a dwarf druid is honestly quite original
14:05 <MincedSushi> Will be fun to think up story there ^^
14:11 <OrangeShark> but if i had to use a sling or spear i couldnt
14:24 <OrangeShark> haha will
14:38 <OrangeShark> i could say i hate the dwarven society
15:11 <MincedSushi> UM skill focus is only a +3 toa  skill
15:32 <OrangeShark> and always wanted to leave, and search adventure in the wilds
16:03 <OrangeShark> thanks i changed it
16:30 <MincedSushi> Not a big fan of a communist social class with a ruling monarchy?
17:05 <MincedSushi> Dwarves social structures is so weird xD
17:15 <OrangeShark> no the economic state as such just the industrial side
17:29 <OrangeShark> mining is unnatural
18:07 <OrangeShark> and being a druid im not a big fan
18:34 <OrangeShark> but that doesnt resolve how i became a druid
18:57 <OrangeShark> i could say always like the natural caverns of the underdark
19:13 <OrangeShark> and came into contact with a faerie
19:51 <OrangeShark> who told me to leave on a quest to bring natural order to the world
20:16 <OrangeShark> and that goods with my allignment
20:38 <OrangeShark> goes*
22:30 <MincedSushi> Good good :D
22:59 <OrangeShark> so have you been playing alot?
23:06 <OrangeShark> long*
23:22 <OrangeShark> heads all over the place haha
23:40 <MincedSushi> Maybe 10 years or so
23:58 <MincedSushi> Actually would be 10 years like 2 months ago now that I tihnk about it
24:38 <MincedSushi> How about you? You seem to pick up the subject quite quickly
24:56 <OrangeShark> nice, i played for 3 months from september to december, and just got into it again 2 days ago
25:43 <OrangeShark> there is no interest where i am so i tried lookin for skype groups
26:15 <OrangeShark> i was playing 3.5 but i prefer pathfinder
26:37 <MincedSushi> Well here we are. It's a great little group
27:03 <OrangeShark> i can see, i hope i get to play with you all
27:16 <MincedSushi> I'm sure you will
27:17 <OrangeShark> my first game is tonight
27:21 <MincedSushi> Waht time zone are you?
27:25 <OrangeShark> GMT
27:29 <MincedSushi> tonight? With who?
28:05 <OrangeShark> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/pathfinder-society-online-collective/0ACxlsii73E
28:11 <OrangeShark> if i get in that is
29:00 <OrangeShark> they gm still has to confirm who is playiing
29:04 <OrangeShark> the*
29:32 <MincedSushi> Caleth is a good guy
29:46 <MincedSushi> I didn't even know about this groups page
30:25 <OrangeShark> cool, glad to be of help :)
30:32 <MincedSushi> explains why no one but me seems to be scheduling on the site
32:08 <OrangeShark> so you are doing the group an saturday?
33:09 <MincedSushi> Yep
33:17 <MincedSushi> for us it's friday night
33:57 <OrangeShark> gotcha :P
36:14 <OrangeShark> whats the Ifernal Vault like?
36:21 <OrangeShark> Infernal*
36:59 <MincedSushi> I was thinking I was going to run the high end of it. 
37:16 <MincedSushi> But if you make it I'll run it for you :D
37:28 <MincedSushi> It's a very small dungeon crawl
37:35 <OrangeShark> cool, thats fine, ill see how tonight goes first
37:37 <MincedSushi> maybe 4 hours with minimal roleplay
38:01 <OrangeShark> nice, i like rp but i prefer combat
38:25 <MincedSushi> since we got 6 hours roleplay can definitily be a part of it
38:52 <MincedSushi> With pfs you will see more combat than roleplay
39:07 <OrangeShark> nice :)
39:22 <OrangeShark> and you dont have to go out of your way for me
39:45 <OrangeShark> if you want to run the higher one , do
40:52 <MincedSushi> Would nto be an issue
41:10 <Hydrazine> Someone'll let me know if the game tonight has room?
41:14 <MincedSushi> Most people want to do a lower one to get their new chars some play time.
41:48 <exBoomerET> Yea, my 1st level can't play the 6-7 tier of course.
42:43 <OrangeShark> cool, and ofc hydra ill be on this if there is room
42:43 <Hydrazine> I have two level ones!
42:56 <Hydrazine> And a level 2.
42:59 <OrangeShark> what are they?
43:34 <OrangeShark> class wise and race
44:02 <exBoomerET> <- Human cleric
44:27 <Hydrazine> My level two is a wrestling monk.
44:38 <OrangeShark> nice, who is your god/goddess?
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45:01 <Hydrazine> My level 1s are a skill/social rogue, and a crazy witch of bad mojo.
45:33 <MincedSushi> If there's room I'd like in. I have a polearm fighter and a wizard for play
45:41 <Hydrazine> A polearm fighter huh>
45:47 <Hydrazine> Those're getting popular these days.
45:49 <exBoomerET> <- Desna
45:49 * Hydrazine fistbump.
46:24 <Hydrazine> I find it quite interesting though how the polearm fighters all seem to work quite differently.
46:38 <Hydrazine> I like how you get variety even in a rather specfic fighter archetype.
46:47 <Hydrazine> Whats the plan for yours?
46:56 <MincedSushi> I've always enjoyed polearms
47:22 <MincedSushi> I actually learned spear forms as a kid and spears really are my iconic weapon as a result
48:04 <MincedSushi> I plan to go half and half with vivsector alchemist
52:03 <MincedSushi> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=434
52:46 <Hydrazine> Something different every time.
53:11 <MincedSushi> o/
54:05 <exBoomerET> Parney: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=422
54:29 <MincedSushi> You get the sneak attack of a rogue and the buffs a caster while only losing 2 bab
54:51 <exBoomerET> On my sheet, what does CR 1/2 mean? Is that the same CR that monsters have? But I'm only .5?
55:03 <MincedSushi> I thought parney has played 3 games now
55:13 <exBoomerET> Nope, just two :(
55:25 <MincedSushi> You shouldn't have that cr 1/2 there xD
55:36 <MincedSushi> IT means nothing for your sheet
55:49 <exBoomerET> Ok, that was generated from Hero Lab.
55:53 <Hydrazine> Yeah.
56:00 <Hydrazine> I'm gonna label it extra crap.
56:02 <Hydrazine> And go with that.
56:07 <exBoomerET> Hahahaha, ok.
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56:50 <Hydrazine> Interesting, Sushi. I wish to see this in action.
57:35 <Hydrazine> I like that we have three different polearm fighters who all work completely differently.
58:29 <MincedSushi> Of course~ The reach weapons all have a very different set of abilities
58:46 <Hydrazine> Not even really discussing weapon specifics.
59:07 <MincedSushi> xD
59:28 <MincedSushi> kay~
59:54 <Hydrazine> We got Jerus, who fights by tripping enemies to keep them away and protect his friends, and then hitting really hard and bringing cleave to chop through multiple enemies.
00:15 <MincedSushi> .:nodnod:.
01:04 <Hydrazine> Salv's preferred combat style is setting up a 15 (or it might be 20) foot combat patrol area, and working over any poor bastard who dares move or do anything provoking in it.
01:48 <MincedSushi> lol
02:36 <Hydrazine> And then we got your new one, whose going to do something different. Can't wait.
03:22 <Hydrazine> Funny how our past sticks with us. When I was younger, I did a bit of martial arts and kick boxing. I love monks.
03:30 <Hydrazine> Dying to see the upcoming changes for them.
05:34 <MincedSushi> Changes in the works for them?
05:42 <Hydrazine> So I have heard.
06:55 <MincedSushi> Hmmm...
07:23 <MincedSushi> I doubt they are going to be super errated. Maybe some really major archetypes?
07:25 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz5nkc?Core-Rulebook-on-Amazon-is-5th-Printing#38
08:34 <Hydrazine> The fact that you immediately look towards major archetypes as changes I think is part of the statement that the base class by itself has problems.
09:00 <OrangeShark> will the update be free?
10:07 <MincedSushi> Not nessecarily
10:12 <Hydrazine> Well, the entire pathfinder system as a whole, I would say updates more like an online game patches.
10:30 <MincedSushi> I like the monk class as it is but it needs mroe stats than 20 point buy will get you to work
10:32 <Hydrazine> They post errata and such that apply changes to the rules as printed in the books. These are legal rules.
10:51 <Hydrazine> I agree, Sushi.
11:16 <MincedSushi> I only say archtypes and the like because logically making my entire monk class that's printed useless would piss me off and Iw ouldn't be the only one.
11:56 <Hydrazine> Well, the post I linked to is specifically about whether they can put monk changes into the next printing of the book.
12:04 <MincedSushi> YOu honestly need at least a 16 in str, dex, and wis
13:04 <Hydrazine> I think the overall problem is that the monk as a class has a ton of very good defensive benefits, and what appears at the surface to be some decent offense
13:19 <Hydrazine> but trying to actually have both at the same time is difficult at best.
14:06 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: want to hear some cheesy bullshit?
14:30 <MincedSushi> Yes
14:36 <Mort-> Sure
14:37 <Mort-> Lol
14:40 <MekkisScreen> ok
14:43 <MincedSushi> That sums it up nicely
14:44 <MekkisScreen> half-orc archer
14:50 <Mort-> You know i always have a ear for cheese
14:56 <MekkisScreen> toothy racial trait to get the bite attack
15:02 <Mort-> I think hydra should listen
15:03 <MekkisScreen> combat expertise.
15:27 <MekkisScreen> in your full attack action, declare combat expertise, firing off your bow at the enemy
15:35 <Mort-> Yeah was considering it on kharn who is my home game thug
15:38 <MekkisScreen> then attack an adjacent square with your bite to allow it to work
15:40 <Mort-> But too late now
15:58 <Mort-> Aoo for using range?
16:02 <Hydrazine> Thank you.
16:15 <Mort-> Attacking an adjacent square?
16:26 <Mort-> How can you attack an empty square
17:01 <Mort-> Why couldn't you just use combat expertise straight
17:10 <MincedSushi> Hydra, I have to admire your economy of words and the eloquence that follows. It more than allows anyone to understand the points at which you try to get across.
17:21 <Mort-> Without  even attacking adjacent square
18:14 <MincedSushi> That's three times today alone :D
18:54 <Hydrazine> I play a monk currently, and I have fun with him. I had to use some severe stat min/maxing and some clever building to get him where he is now.
19:54 <Hydrazine> Hes overall very strong against singular humanoid opponents, offensive and defensively, through a very heavy grapple focus. But if that doesn't work.. Hes pretty weak.
20:22 <OrangeShark> well you dont want him too op
21:05 <OrangeShark> knowing the boundaries keep it fun i think
21:30 <MincedSushi> The problem is most any other class min/maxd to that level are far stronger
21:44 <MekkisScreen> because you need a melee attack
21:48 <OrangeShark> oh, ok
22:02 <MekkisScreen> combat expertise is +AC -melee attack
22:11 <MincedSushi> For monk to work for it's inteded purpose you almost have to minmax
22:26 <MincedSushi> Which shows a focus on stats that was prevelent in 3.5 
22:42 <MincedSushi> Pathfinder wanted to do away with that focus.
22:50 <Hydrazine> A monk just doesn't get the same milage out of a 20 point buy as his peers.
24:19 <Avatar> that is cheesy
24:29 <Hydrazine> Low strength and you can't hit anything. When a fight comes around, and it will, monks are supposed to melee. Its why they get flurry and big unarmed damage dice, no? But low str and you can't.
24:36 <MekkisScreen> and it's BS
24:59 <Hydrazine> Low dex and your AC suffers. You can't just slap on full plate to get around it.
25:08 <OrangeShark> i understand
25:17 <Hydrazine> Low wisdom, same thing. And it affects your ki, and stunning DCs.
25:39 <Hydrazine> Low con and you get taken down the first time something actually does get through your ac.
26:48 <Hydrazine> I think they also suffered really hard from the somewhat recent flurry errata.
27:13 <OrangeShark> do monks get the ferocity as a feat?
27:22 <Hydrazine> ferocity?
27:30 <Hydrazine> You mean like your boar?
27:40 <MincedSushi> brb guys
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28:08 <OrangeShark> yeah, it said creature i wasnt thinking
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28:52 <Hydrazine> There is a feat for similar. Pretty sure anyone can take them.
28:59 <Hydrazine> Diehard.
31:40 <OrangeShark> its a good feat
32:06 <Hydrazine> Takes two feats to get to it though.
32:21 <Hydrazine> Everyone evaluates feat taxes differently.
32:41 <Hydrazine> Atleast one person around here thinks I'm crazy for taking cleave just to get cleaving finish.
33:07 <Hydrazine> But if I had a nickel for every time Jerus was a total badass in a fight by cleaving down two guys in a turn..
33:17 <Hydrazine> Well, he could probably buy a new weapon or something.
33:59 <Mort-> Lol
34:11 <Mort-> Say you need someone beside you to use it
34:34 <Mort-> I need help with armor spikes
34:48 <OrangeShark> yeah its a good domino effect but the -2 to ac is a bit harsh
35:13 <Hydrazine> No. I don't use cleave. I use cleaving finish. No penalty.
37:13 <OrangeShark> that is good, but what is the draw back?
37:25 <Hydrazine> What draw back?
37:49 <Hydrazine> Its more specific. I can't do it whenever. It only works when an opponent is taken down from an attack.
38:05 <OrangeShark> ah, just reread,
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43:54 <OrangeShark> so i know i sound like a broken record but my first game is in an hour and im pysched, any last minute advice?
44:11 <Hydrazine> Actually, there is something.
44:14 <Hydrazine> Its really important.
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44:22 <exBoomerET> Oops
44:25 <Hydrazine> ...So he leaves.
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46:17 <Hydrazine> So aslong as you rememeber that, you should be fine!
46:36 <Urist> haha funny could you repaste that
46:41 <Urist> :)
46:44 <Hydrazine> Lol. I waited.
46:46 <exBoomerET> Yes, and if that doesn't work, you could always try my idea.
46:47 <Hydrazine> I was gonna say.
46:56 <Hydrazine> Make sure you have fun.
47:43 <Urist> thanks, im sure i will :)
48:18 <exBoomerET> Didn't see sheet, you have a cross-bow right?
48:26 <Hydrazine> Hes a druid, sling.
48:38 <exBoomerET> Ahh, ok.
48:48 <Urist> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
48:58 <Hydrazine> Boomer's covering the base that all characters should pack a ranged weapon.
49:16 <Urist> ah,
49:19 <Hydrazine> Because you never know when the enemy is just too damn far away. Or when theres something inconvinient between.
49:32 <Hydrazine> I think I'm gonna pick up some javelins on Jerus.
50:10 <Hydrazine> Because I don't quite want to spend the money on an appropriate strength composite bow, and hes strong enough to get better use out of thrown.
50:11 <exBoomerET> What VTT are you using? I assume it's from the Google+ PFS group?
50:31 <Urist> VTT?
50:38 <Urist> mIRC 
50:47 <exBoomerET> How you doing mapping?
51:08 <exBoomerET> Or is it all IRC?
51:12 <Hydrazine> Depends on whose doing it.
51:15 <Urist> maptool i think
51:17 <Hydrazine> Hes trying to play, not DM, Boomer.
51:30 <Hydrazine> So yeah, you either need maptools or CA.
51:49 <Urist> i dl'ed both just incase
52:09 <Urist> can never be too prepared 
52:14 <exBoomerET> Or Tabletop Forge, or d20pro, or TTopRPG, or roll20, and adnauseum.
52:34 <exBoomerET> Oops, forgot Klooge, FantasyGrounds II
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53:44 <Brunius> I should stop spamming ChanOP when I connect to the server
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54:35 <Urist> just hope my internet stays stable haha
55:17 <Hydrazine> My serious suggestions, read over the whole combat chapter once or twice. Not necessarily because I think combat is the most important part of the game, but it is where rules are likely to swamp the unprepared, and probably more likely to kill your character than say, trying to ford a river.
57:19 <Hydrazine> Even though rivers can be dangerous, I think it has more.. room for error than say, a particularly bad step in combat that can get you three axes in the face.
57:26 <exBoomerET> That, and the class section dealing specifically with druids and spells (osirons, channeling, etc)
57:44 <Hydrazine> Druids channel?
58:16 <exBoomerET> Uh, I just assumed they did.
58:17 <MincedSushi> Hey man. Little Timmy died everytime I tried to ford the river!
58:31 <exBoomerET> Belay my last.
00:16 <Hydrazine> Yeah, boomer has a point. The key to being an effective caster, is understanding that your spells are very powerful tools, and being careful to A, pack the tools you think you will need, and B, to know when the situation is right to use them.
01:09 <Hydrazine> And point A is why I avoid prepared spell casters. I never pick the right stuff.
01:34 <MincedSushi> xD
02:19 <MincedSushi> Well wizards with bonded items get one spontaneous spell :D
02:30 <MincedSushi> Very helpful ina  jam
02:41 <Hydrazine> Mort has this trick she does, with using area effect spells in timing and position to catch alot of bad guys and none of the good guys.
02:45 <Hydrazine> I find it rather impressive.
03:31 <exBoomerET> Damn kickstarter
03:41 <MincedSushi> You din't see me with Rezzie the other night did you?
04:32 <Hydrazine> Ezren?
04:35 <MincedSushi> I showed her a thing or two... She needs to be less timid.
04:38 <MincedSushi> Yes
04:48 <Hydrazine> I think I was there for that.
04:53 <Hydrazine> Maybe.
05:06 <MincedSushi> You should ahve been on jerus
05:06 <Hydrazine> Hey, when is today's game supposed to be?
05:20 <Hydrazine> ..Wasn't I?
05:29 <MincedSushi> 9pm est
05:45 <MincedSushi> I don't know if you let someone else play him xD
05:51 <MincedSushi> I never assume these things
06:15 <Hydrazine> Never!
06:43 <Hydrazine> I mean, me and Jerus got sick together.
06:50 <Hydrazine> Thats like player-character bonding yo.
07:04 <MincedSushi> lol
07:21 <Hydrazine> Me and my character got nauseated together, Boomer.
07:25 <Hydrazine> It was.. uncanny.
07:50 <MincedSushi> xD
08:23 <exBoomerET> Hehehe
08:28 <Urist> damn its 9 pm est, that another 6 hours my bad haha
08:45 <exBoomerET> I think I was the only one that didn't get sick the last game I played.
08:59 <exBoomerET> I thought it was hilarious, I was the only person in the room.
09:02 <Hydrazine> As in you the player?
09:05 <MincedSushi> ??
09:10 <exBoomerET> So I ran out screaming like a little girl.
09:19 <exBoomerET> Yes, my player.
09:24 <exBoomerET> Well, Parney
09:49 <Hydrazine> I mean, boomer, that I, the player, and my charactr Jerus, got sick together.
09:50 <Urist> how does fear work?
10:09 <Hydrazine> I puked my guts out, got back to my chair... rolled a fort save, and Jerus got nauseated.
10:50 <exBoomerET> Was it something you ate?
11:17 <exBoomerET> You weren't doing 40 degree rolls at 400 feet were you?
11:42 <exBoomerET> That would scare the bejesus out of me.
11:45 <MincedSushi> lol
11:55 <MincedSushi> No me and him were having a skype drinking contest
12:10 <MincedSushi> I never asked what you were drinking Hydra
15:25 <Hydrazine> Its about as bad as Sohei having to attack the ground with half of their flurry, Mekkis, because since its like twf, you can't make all the attacks with a singular weapon, and you can't hold two polearms.
16:43 <Hydrazine> Appleton Special.
17:20 <Hydrazine> http://www.beveragewarehouse.com/images/products/3656.gif
17:23 <MincedSushi> Rum
17:25 <MincedSushi> Nice
18:03 <Hydrazine> I think it was more the fish than the rum.
18:09 <Hydrazine> But really, a bit of both.
18:17 <MincedSushi> Fish?
18:28 <MincedSushi> I'm not sure I understand at all
18:32 <Hydrazine> Had some fish for dinner that night.
18:40 <MincedSushi> ah~
18:53 <MincedSushi> I'm more a whiskey fan
18:56 <MincedSushi> maybe scotch
19:18 <MincedSushi> For gaming I only dirnk the cheap stuff though.
19:54 <Hydrazine> Well, it was either that or the wrey and nephew overproof.
20:01 <Hydrazine> And I wanted to be sensible.
20:05 <Hydrazine> So I took the appleton.
22:06 <Hydrazine> http://www.ministryofrum.com/rumdetails.php?r=398
22:42 <MincedSushi> Oh wow
22:47 <Hydrazine> See what I mean?
22:49 <MincedSushi> THat's some strong booze!
23:41 <MincedSushi> I know nothing fo rum but I'm certain it doesn't normal go over 80 proof
24:13 <exBoomerET> Hahahaha, not aged.
24:50 <exBoomerET> 125 proof, ug.
25:15 <MincedSushi> I'm guessing ti tastes just like rubbing alcohol?
26:14 <Urist> Hydra, you know that example we did earlier, could i have taken a move action then cast flare? Also, that is some strong rum, what is it % wise?
27:23 <exBoomerET> It's 62.8% alcohol, or 125.6 proof
28:35 <Urist> thats insane! my usual, JB is 40% and i taught that was high haha
28:49 <Urist> Jim Beam
28:54 <Hydrazine> Yeah. This is why I drank the appleton instead.
29:04 <Hydrazine> Because if I drank that, I wouldn't be playing D&D.
29:22 <Hydrazine> Its actually not the strongest I've had.
29:41 <Urist> true, have you ever tried absense?
30:08 <Urist> sorry absinthe
30:19 <MincedSushi> We used to have absinthe parties
30:48 <Hydrazine> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/ookichinpoko/DSC00368.jpg
31:04 <Hydrazine> I took that. Granted its blurry as hell, but thats because I had already had some before.
31:27 <Hydrazine> http://www.marketviewliquor.com/product/polmos-spirytus-rektyfikowany-rectified-spirit-192prf-cordials-750ml.html?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=versafeed&utm_term=22425&utm_campaign=food+beverages+tobacco+beverages+liquor+spirits&utm_content=polmos+spirytus+rektyfikowany+rectified+spirit+192prf+750ml&v_traceback=c0611_0700_f0611_0702
31:29 <Hydrazine> But its that.
32:28 <MincedSushi> That's the same amount of alcohol as my rubbing alchohol in the bathroom
32:32 <MincedSushi> . . .
32:43 <Urist> that spirytus stuff would kill you 
32:56 <Hydrazine> I ever tell you about my visit to Japan, Sushi?
33:05 <MincedSushi> No you haven't
33:10 <MincedSushi> What part?
33:58 <Hydrazine> So my boat pulled into Yokosuka if thats how you spell it, like 3 weeks after my 21st.
34:32 <Hydrazine> I actually turned 21 the day we LEFT Sasebo, which means I didn't get to do anything at all fun on it.
34:57 <Hydrazine> So my first night in Yokosuka, me and the boys go bar hopping.
35:33 <MincedSushi> Oh gawd
35:34 <Hydrazine> And we end up in this bar that's quite literally this old lady's apartment living room. It seated about 7, if you squished in close.
35:54 <exBoomerET> Hahaha
36:02 <Hydrazine> And upon hearing about the bad news concerning my birthday, she prepared me a special drink
36:32 <Hydrazine> She called it the 'Narita Express'. This drink consisted of 151, absinthe, and that Spirytus.
36:48 <MincedSushi> Oh my
36:49 <Hydrazine> I don't remember the actual quantities of each. It wasn't my first drink of the night.
37:01 <MincedSushi> I'm googling this now
37:24 <Hydrazine> For you math nerds, Those are, in proof: 151, ~140ish, and 196.
37:52 <Hydrazine> I remember that it tasted like licorice and fire.
37:56 <Hydrazine> I remember I had maybe two more.
38:06 <Hydrazine> I remember drinking alot of water. And then I don't remember much.
38:21 <MincedSushi> lol
38:24 <MincedSushi> I bet not
38:32 <Hydrazine> But I hear I did some karaoke.
39:12 <Urist> haha, while in japan...
39:40 <Hydrazine> And I do remember the immediate vicinity of the front gate of the base.
39:48 <MincedSushi> http://www.drunkt.com/craziest-drink-ive-had/?
39:52 <Urist> but its made from snake venom?
40:20 <MincedSushi> Habu sake is
40:24 <MincedSushi> That much I know
40:29 <exBoomerET> Did you ever have a 'Nuke Waste'
41:07 <Hydrazine> I clearly remember approaching it, the front gate, worried that the guards would catch on to how shitface drunk I was and give trouble.
41:14 <exBoomerET> Only place I know of that serves it is the Horse & cow in San Diego and H&C in Vallejo (which no longer exists)
41:20 <exBoomerET> They were Submariner bars
41:36 <Hydrazine> No, never had one. I didn't do Sub bars.
41:52 <Hydrazine> I think she told me it was absinthe and not habu sake, but maybe it was.
41:53 <MincedSushi> Never heard of that one either
42:00 <MincedSushi> All the bars around here are really safe
42:36 <MincedSushi> You could probably substitute absinthe
42:44 <Hydrazine> The dumbest drink I ever tried..
42:57 <Hydrazine> Was a straight shot of Devils Springs vodka.
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43:11 <Hydrazine> Which is very close in proof to spirytus.
43:24 <Hydrazine> It says on the bottle, "DO NOT DRINK THIS STRAIGHT"
43:37 <Hydrazine> So ofcourse we took it as a challenge. Turns out they were right. I had a sore throat for a week.
43:52 <Urist> haha, id say so
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44:34 <Hydrazine> I don't regret the Narita Express. That was fun, that was adventure. The straight devil's springs, that just fucking hurt.
45:26 <MincedSushi> I want one so badly
46:01 <Hydrazine> habu sake?
46:08 <Hydrazine> How about instead, a koala?
46:08 <Hydrazine> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/ookichinpoko/DSC00166.jpg
47:13 <exBoomerET> I had my picture taken w/ a Koala when we were in .au
47:56 <Hydrazine> I used to work next to the Death Star.
47:57 <Hydrazine> http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f220/ookichinpoko/bs.jpg
48:29 <exBoomerET> Which plant is that?
48:36 <Hydrazine> D1G.
49:01 <exBoomerET> Nuke school?
49:12 <Hydrazine> Mhm.
49:18 <Hydrazine> We called it the Dig ball.
49:25 <Hydrazine> In winter, it had Digalanches.
49:44 <Hydrazine> See all those buildings close to it? Those aren't there anymore.
49:54 <exBoomerET> I used to think it hilarious the antics of people who would break into nuke plants, and run their car into the cooling tower thinking it was the reactor.
50:05 <exBoomerET> Dumb shit liberals
50:09 <Hydrazine> Heh.
50:18 <Hydrazine> I think overall though it goes back to the education system.
50:36 <Hydrazine> They don't teach average joe dick about nuclear power or radiation.
50:59 <Hydrazine> Which is why everything can get so exaggerated.
52:31 <exBoomerET> In order to bad-mouth nuclear energy, I think you need to know at least how a coffee maker heats up your water.
00:11 <exBoomerET> I'm all for the green-house effect, screw the left.
00:24 <exBoomerET> Hot babes, less clothes. Need I say more?
01:12 <Hydrazine> Thats what I missed about Florida when I left it.
04:01 <exBoomerET> I love working here at GAP, so happy I don't work in sausage factories anymore!
09:12 <Mort-> Urk
09:24 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, take a level of synthesist
09:26 <Mekkis> then you can :)
09:32 <Mekkis> or alchemist
12:03 <Hydrazine> Having to take another classes to make a monk work says that the monk just doesn't work.
12:53 <Hydrazine> I am going to go have a swim. Later folks.
13:43 <Mekkis> if you knew monk didn't work, why did you roll one up?
14:18 <Hydrazine> Trying to work around it. I guess I could specify that example to sohei.
18:26 <Mekkis> the workaround is either to have an accommodating GM who allows it, to take some levels in other classes, or give up
19:28 <mortswishytail> Hoku works fine
19:40 <Hydrazine> Provided the target can be grappled.
19:43 <mortswishytail> Against one guy at a time that is
19:47 <mortswishytail> What can't be
19:55 <mortswishytail> You grab anything that moves
20:01 <mortswishytail> Crocs. 
20:04 <Hydrazine> Something too big, for example.
20:10 <mortswishytail> Ghouls
20:35 <mortswishytail> That's why you need the spring loaded wrist sheathed
20:45 <mortswishytail> And a potion of enlarge person
20:49 <mortswishytail> Matter settled
21:22 <mortswishytail> What was pin rules
21:31 <mortswishytail> One size larger or same size only
22:34 <Mort-> Mekkis
22:54 <Mort-> Would you allow a floating disc to cars
23:02 <Mort-> Carry players?
23:10 <Mort-> Like luggage
23:16 <Mekkis> probably
23:31 <Hydrazine> Why not?
23:39 <Hydrazine> If its within size and weight limits..
26:33 <Mort-> Will be ^^
27:17 * Mort- has plans!
27:17 <Mort-> If it is not directed it maintains a distance of 5 ft from you
27:35 <Mort-> So its next to you or a 5 ft gap away
27:44 <Hydrazine> adjacent.
27:51 <Hydrazine> 5ft away IS the next square.
27:55 <Mort-> Next to you?
28:12 <Mekkis> hey
28:19 <Mekkis> give your eidolon UMD and a wand!
28:29 <Mekkis> wow
28:31 <Mekkis> that's a cool idea
30:22 <Mort-> That is good
30:34 <Mort-> If you're doing a master summoner
30:41 <Mort-> They have half evo points
31:06 <Mort-> Making them not too good combatants
33:20 <Mort-> If not otherwise directed, it maintains a constant interval of 5 feet between itself and you. 
33:33 <Mort-> So is it next to you or not
35:04 <Hydrazine> so if a game square is a 5ft square. two objects at the center of two adjacent squares are.. 5 ft away from eachother, yes?
36:17 <Hydrazine> I think a better question is: Does the game include anything at all for measuring horizontal distances in less than 5 foot increments?
37:26 <Mort-> Imo yes
37:35 <Mort-> This is for kalara
37:52 <Mort-> Unless jerus would like mort to move him?
38:08 <Mort-> That can be arranged as well
38:08 <Hydrazine> I think Jerus gets around just fine on his own.
38:34 <Mort-> Ah i suppose  so
38:55 <Mort-> I'm seeing who i get to push around :p
39:04 <Mort-> Or drag into the melee with me
39:23 <Avatar> you're thinking too mechanically hydrazine
39:56 <Mort-> Id just say next to me at a point i choose
40:00 <Avatar> there's loose rules saying you can occupy the same square based on size, and swarms can occupy the same square obviously, and you can move through other people's squares by "moving around" them
40:18 <Avatar> exactly how far away each thing is moot isn't it
40:27 <Hydrazine> My point is it can't be closer than 5 ft away without being in the same square. And since its atleast 5 feet away, it must be in an adjacent square.
41:02 <Avatar> pretty much
41:11 <Avatar> there are times when you can have a 6ft or 8ft space
41:21 <Avatar> but either way they still have to be adjacent or moving through
41:44 <Hydrazine> Not sure how I feel about this approach though, Mort.
41:46 <Avatar> like when there's something cylindrical in the room
42:19 <Hydrazine> I think it comes from the difference between thinking about turns as actions occurring within the same 6 seconds and thinking of turns in order of events.
43:05 <Hydrazine> for example, if you're on a horse, your horse double-moves. Can you then use your turn to jump off the horse and go further, in the same direction?
45:38 <Mort-> I would say yes if you got your quick dismount right
45:45 <Mort-> But that's me for you
45:48 <Hydrazine> I would say no.
46:06 <Hydrazine> In order to ride a horse for the horse's entire double move, you had to be on the horse for the whole turn.
46:14 <Mort-> Ok
46:22 <Hydrazine> Otherwise, you dismount somewhere along the way, and the horse goes on without you.
46:27 <Mort-> But its my turn to push the other person around
46:50 <Hydrazine> and its the horse's turn carry a rider for a double move.
46:57 <Mort-> Thing is just get the rules hammered out and ill roll with them
47:06 <Hydrazine> but both these turns are the same space of time, yes?
47:11 <Mort-> Does that mean the other person does not get a full round action?
47:16 <Mort-> Yes/mo
47:28 <Mort-> Say i move just before him
47:39 <Mort-> Use my move action to direct the disc
47:55 <Mort-> With the person on top to wherever i chowpd
47:57 <Mort-> Choose
49:02 <Hydrazine> Then during part of this turn, hes spending time moving on something else.
49:30 <Hydrazine> Would you also say that someone doing this could be carried adjacent to an enemy, and full attack on their turn?
50:49 <Mort-> Yes that was what i was aiming for
50:54 <Mort-> The latter
51:15 <Mort-> The former is nice but not really necessary
51:45 <Hydrazine> A mounted combatant cannot take a full attack in a turn where his mount is moving linearly towards the enemy, since for part of the turn, the rider was not at the enemy to attack them.
51:56 <Hydrazine> Do you see how this is very similar?
54:51 <Mekkis> hehe
56:25 <Avatar> wow
56:33 <Avatar> I just took a test for a job on windows xp competency
56:37 <Avatar> I got 100%
56:40 <Mekkis> oh no
56:46 <Avatar> but apparently the global average is 77%
56:48 <Mekkis> how do you set up filesharing on windows XP?
56:57 <Avatar> no man it was shit like "open my computer"
57:04 <Avatar> "create a new folder called 'Letters'"
57:17 <Mekkis> was there a question on "what command do you use to enable IPv6 on windows XP"?
57:23 <Avatar> the global average is 77%
57:29 <Avatar> no
57:38 <Avatar> shit like "open my computer"
57:47 <Hydrazine> empty the recycle bin?
57:52 <Avatar> yep empty the recycle bin was one
57:58 <Mekkis> I would congratulate you... but it's BS
58:16 <Avatar> yeah I'm not after congratulations, I am bewildered that the global average is 77%
58:35 <Hydrazine> You would congratulate him, but its rather like congratulating him for wiping his own bum, something you expect anyone of his age to be able to do?
58:47 <Mekkis> pretty much, Hydrazine 
59:13 <Mekkis> How do you turn off "idiot mode" on windows XP?
59:27 <Hydrazine> uninstall XP?
59:47 <Avatar> does XP have idiot mode
59:52 <Mekkis> yes
59:56 <Mekkis> it's on by default
00:06 <Avatar> I don't recall that
00:12 <Avatar> except for uh
00:18 <Avatar> hide file extensions for known file types
00:27 <Avatar> which is really microsoft being idiots
01:19 <Mekkis> turning it off involves: 1) Changing the theme to windows classic; 2) Turn off Hide File Extensions for known file types; 3) Turn on Show Hidden Files; 4) Change the folder view to Details; 5) Turn off the welcome screen; 6) Turn on nolmhash in the registry
01:41 <Avatar> oh yeah, windows classic isn't default in XP
01:56 <Avatar> this test was in idiot mode
02:00 <Mort-> Well i was eating a burger
02:02 <Mekkis> yuck
02:20 <Mort-> And sigh my agent wants me to apply for a job
02:27 <Mekkis> windows 7 has more steps
02:49 <Mort-> And I'm sort of busy these few days with me bringing my office work own
02:52 <Mort-> Home
03:15 <Mort-> I've already skipped my weekly pfs session on table to
03:20 <Mort-> Top
03:40 <Mort-> And I'm sick. On top of everything else
03:43 <Avatar> aren't you playing on saturday
04:27 <Mort-> I would have been playing my thug yesterday had i not decided it was better to go home and do office worn
04:29 <Mort-> Work
04:30 <Mort-> Gah
05:01 <Mort-> I also didn't feel like talking much in real life with this flu on
05:20 <Mort-> I only have 24 h in a day fk it
05:48 <Mort-> Am i really supposed to push several nights without sleep?
05:53 <Mekkis> no
05:54 * Mort- growls
06:04 <Mekkis> but you're not supposed to take work home if they're not paying oyu
06:17 <Mekkis> or you might end up a crispy lemur
06:19 <Mort-> You do what you must when you must
06:28 <Mort-> Well that is true
06:37 <Mort-> No ones catching me at it so far
07:33 <Mort-> But there is simply no way i can get that much work done on time
08:05 <Mort-> How do you type out a ninety page document, edit 1000 other documents
08:15 <Mort-> All before the weekend comes?
09:28 <Mort-> Well by sat all this would have blown over
09:36 <Mort-> Whether i live through it or not
09:52 <Mort-> So screw it I'm going to spend sat partying
10:30 * Mort- moper
10:39 * Mort- mopes. 
10:48 <Mort-> Is there a cloning spell for myself?
10:56 <Mort-> So we can do stuff double time?
11:32 <Mort-> I mean there's no way i can get all this done on time
11:39 <Mort-> Gawd damn it
12:41 <Mort-> Its hard being a mur
13:20 <Mort-> I probably should have spent last weekend doing office work instead of pfs ><
13:34 <Mort-> Again. I had a great time that i don't regret :p
14:48 <Mort-> Well again i was intending to get some office work done but my cousins comp was down
14:54 <Mekkis> Mort-, regular expressions?
15:17 <Mort-> What regular expressions
15:27 <Mekkis> I'm not sure
15:34 <Mekkis> what documents do you need to edit?
15:45 <Mort-> Its all on the office server
16:05 <Mekkis> what edits do you need to make?
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11:20 <Urist> Hello?
25:30 <Avatar> yo
26:25 <MincedSushi> hey
30:43 <Avatar> urist: skill focus is +3, not +4
31:20 <Urist> ok, will change it
32:08 <Avatar> you can ditch the specialisation/opposed schools bit next to SPELLS because that's for wizards only
32:20 <Avatar> same with DEITY bonuses, because you're not a cleric
32:57 <Urist> ok
34:42 <Urist> any other mistakes or am i good to play?
35:30 <Urist> have one question though
35:48 <Avatar> you're good to play, everything you're doing now is optimising I think
36:30 <Urist> can i do a move action then a cast action to prevent an attack of opertunity?
36:49 <Urist> cast spell action*
37:12 <Avatar> you mean if someone is in melee with you?
37:22 <Urist> yes
37:38 <Avatar> people in melee have a "threat" range, which is usually every square adjacent to them
37:55 <Avatar> if you move out of it normally with your 20/30ft speed, then you provoke an attack of opportunity just by moving
37:57 <Urist> but if i move to the 5ft back from them
38:04 <Avatar> but you can take a 5ft step to avoid provoking an aoo
38:11 <Avatar> 5ft steps never provoke
38:38 <Urist> cool, so what do you think i should optimise?
39:52 <Urist> but i can do thst in one go?
39:58 <Urist> that*
40:05 <Urist> round*
58:16 <Avatar> have a look at this: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/dwarf
58:22 <Avatar> scroll down to alternate racial traits
58:24 <Avatar> near the bottom
58:50 <Avatar> see if there's any of those you might prefer
03:48 <Urist> what about steel soul?
04:16 <Avatar> whatever you like man
04:22 <Avatar> you don't have to ask
04:46 <Urist> but i already have two already
04:56 <Avatar> two what
05:19 <Avatar> steel soul isn't on that list
05:23 <Avatar> did you click the link
05:49 <Urist> i did
05:57 <Avatar> steel soul is a feat
06:06 <Avatar> scroll down to where it says Alternate Racial Traits
06:11 <Mort-> Urgh
06:18 <Mort-> Feel sick
06:23 <Mort-> Again i am sick
06:33 <Urist> you ok mort?
06:40 <Avatar> you sound sick
06:47 <Urist> haha
06:53 <Mort-> I'm not
06:54 <Mort-> Ok
07:07 <Mort-> I have a flu. Would love to call in sick
07:07 <Avatar> it seemed for a moment maybe you were ok
07:15 <Avatar> call in sick if you are sick
07:17 <Mort-> So i can pfs instead of work
07:19 <Avatar> that's what calling in sick is for
07:32 <Avatar> just make sure you're getting the rest you need to get better
07:34 <Mort-> But that's really not right.
07:49 <Mort-> If i can pfs i definitely can work
07:52 <Avatar> sometimes you can rest and play depending on how sick you are
07:55 <Avatar> but you are still sick
08:08 <Avatar> yeah but if you go to work you can make other people sick and you won't be productive
08:15 <Avatar> and you'll either stay sick or get worse
08:29 <Avatar> better you stay home and get better and go back when you're 100%
08:53 <Avatar> if you can get better while playing pfs, then you can do that, but only if you're sure you're getting the rest you need
09:06 <Mort-> Nah. The company saw me go to the doctor yesterday
09:21 <Avatar> it's not about whether they believe you or not
11:09 <Mort-> Ill go to work
11:16 * Mort- groans
11:21 <Avatar> and make other people sick
11:31 <Mort-> If i had a fever i would stay at home
11:41 <Avatar> so you aren't really sick then
11:50 <Mort-> Yeah but there is already another guy coughing in the corner
12:01 <Mort-> I told you I'm not really very sick
12:13 <Avatar> oh it sounded like you were sick
12:18 <Mort-> If there wasn't a pfs game on Google group
12:19 <Avatar> you are ok though
12:30 <Mort-> We wouldn't be having this discussion :d
12:38 <Mort-> Sniffing and coughing some
12:51 <Avatar> so you are ok
13:24 <Avatar> urist: did you find that list
13:30 <Urist> i have 2 dwarven traits, Zest for Battle and Tunnel Fighter
13:42 <Avatar> those are "traits"
13:48 <Avatar> "racial traits" are different
13:52 <Urist> so do i pick two more?
14:03 <Avatar> no, you can pick replacements for the racial traits you have
14:14 <Avatar> did you find the list
14:19 * Mort- sighs. Yes avatar. Yes. 
14:20 <Urist> i did
14:28 <Avatar> what's the first one listed there
14:31 <Avatar> just so we're on the same page
14:34 <Mort-> I just want to look for an excuse to stay home to pfs
14:48 <Avatar> then go to work
16:28 * Mort- whines
16:40 <Avatar> Urist?
16:57 <Urist> sorry im being a bit dim atm, so i replace these with what exactly
17:02 <Urist> ?
17:06 <Avatar> what is the first one listed there, first?
17:17 <Avatar> you said you found the list
17:25 <Urist> Ancient Enmity
17:31 <Avatar> cool
17:42 <Avatar> on your sheet under misc bonuses
17:46 <Avatar> you've listed your racial traits
17:54 <Urist> Im looking at Magic Resistant
18:15 <Avatar> see at the end of the description for magic resistant, it says it replaces the hardy trait
18:24 <Urist> oh, ok ill change them now
18:33 <Avatar> make sure you're happy with replacing it
18:46 <Avatar> sometimes it can look good but it'll replace something else that's good
18:49 <Mort-> Magic resistant mek said
18:55 <Mort-> That its a waste of time
18:57 <Urist> im not really, ill replace something else
19:04 <Avatar> let him take what he wants
19:10 <Mort-> Because people you fight always have more levels then you
19:15 <Mort-> He told me before
19:19 <Mort-> I wanted to do it once
19:23 <Mort-> I believe him.
19:29 <Avatar> do you have a dwarf character
20:54 <Urist> i do, ill pick Lorekeeper
20:58 <Mort-> No
21:11 <Mort-> But i do what mek tells me to do
21:23 <Mort-> Except roll gnomes
21:38 <Urist> its better than greed
23:06 <Avatar> yeah lorekeeper looks superior to greed
28:18 <Mort-> What's lorekeepdr
28:33 <Mort-> I'm slow and lazy today
28:34 <Urist> after reading knowledge hisory it doesnt look to good
29:01 <Avatar> it is good
29:12 <Urist> explain, please
29:20 <Avatar> all the knowledge skills will give you extra information that you'd rather know about than not know about
29:34 <Avatar> it's like a free clue with a successful roll
29:39 <Mort-> Like if you saw a mort
29:46 <Avatar> not like if you saw a mort
29:49 <Avatar> don't confuse the newbies
29:52 <Mort-> Time to do knowledge nature :p
30:19 <Mort-> Then you will realise morts love chocolate chip cookies
30:28 <Urist> my knowledge nature is good +7
30:34 <Mort-> And will follow you around if you give them one :d
30:47 <Mort-> Do you get what knowledges are for?
31:08 <Urist> but seriously, knowledge history does do anything really
31:32 <Avatar> I just told you man
31:35 <Mort-> You go to a place
31:40 <Urist> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/knowledge
31:40 <Avatar> [09:29] <Avatar> all the knowledge skills will give you extra information that you'd rather know about than not know about
31:40 <Avatar> [09:29] <Avatar> it's like a free clue with a successful roll
31:41 <Mort-> There is a haunt there
31:55 <Avatar> I wasn't joking :P
32:02 <Urist> oh, ok cool
32:19 <Mort-> Knowlegdge history may tell you how the haunt came into please
32:21 <Mort-> Place
32:36 <Mort-> Thus maybe a clue how to stop it
32:43 <Mort-> But for sheer monster identifications
33:06 <Mort-> You want planes dungeoneering
33:17 <Avatar> mort relax
33:18 <Mort-> Religon and nature
33:21 <Avatar> we're talking racial traits
33:29 * Mort- jumps up and down
33:38 * Mort- is excitable
33:49 <Avatar> out of control
34:00 * Mort- sniffs
51:12 <Mort-> Ah
51:21 * Mort- fluffs 
52:01 <Mort-> Sushi you around?
01:39 <Mort-> My brother played a Fighter who acted more like a classical Paladin. He was Lawful Good in action, and when he felled the ogre and routed the goblins, he took up his treasures and went to town. He gave gold old widows, and rode children around on his steed, and he donated to churches, and fed the, clothed the cold, and paid for medicines and healing for the sick. He did this just because it was what his character did. Not because he was mechanically obligate
01:44 <Mort-> Oh
01:53 * Mort- eyes widen with wonder
07:52 <Urist> hey mort-?
08:08 <Mort-> Ye?
08:21 <Mort-> I'm usually trolling boards
08:30 <Mort-> Avatar says i scare people
08:32 <Mort-> :(
09:09 <Urist> dont say that, just be yourself
09:46 <Hydrazine> She does. Thats the scary part.
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12:50 <mortswishytail> Mg
12:52 <mortswishytail> Oh
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13:34 <Mort-> I am myself
24:26 <MekkisScreen> I dislike it when people stereotype on class
24:32 <MekkisScreen> it's horrible
25:19 <Mort-> Ah
26:13 <Avatar> so do I, except when we're talking about synthesists
30:36 * Mort- has a bite and 2 claws
33:57 <MekkisScreen> the synthesist is one of the best options for disassociating class with character
36:59 <Mort-> Actually i like summoners a lot now
37:12 <Mort-> You can do all kinds of stuff with them
37:26 <Mort-> Anything your imagination can come up with
38:59 <Mort-> How does true strike work with multiple attackq
41:53 <Mort-> Urist look sharp and get ready to get on skype
42:03 * Mort- nips urist
42:09 <Avatar> did you actually stay home to play pfs instead of going to work even though you're not sick
42:28 <Urist> i dont know the GM's skype
42:57 <Urist> wel i do but my skype wont find it
43:02 <Urist> well*
43:18 <Avatar> it's a bit late to try and fix it as the game is supposed to start
43:33 <Urist> i have 20 mins
43:49 <Avatar> what's your skype name
44:40 <Avatar> you've definitely got the right one
45:33 <Urist> mrjack.anderson
46:33 <Urist> i do
47:08 <Avatar> I've messaged him to add you
47:16 <Urist> thanks man
47:27 <Mort-> Ok
47:32 <Mort-> Good luck
47:50 <Urist> Cheers Mort-
48:07 * Mort- tries to cast bless on urist but realises she doesn't have any divine caster levels
48:18 <Urist> haha
48:31 * Mort- casts infernal healing on urist instead ^^
48:32 <Avatar> and that you can't cast anything, since this is reality
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48:46 <Mort-> Heh true
48:49 <Avatar> he's added you urist
48:50 <Mort-> Im off to work
49:36 <Urist> really? are you sure he got the right jack?
49:59 <Avatar> I added you too, did you get that
49:59 <Mort-> Get what i mean by character separation? :p
50:17 <Avatar> you didn't say anything about character separation
50:28 <Urist> nope try my email, its [email protected]
50:58 <Mort-> I told him not use same character name as his irc nick
51:18 <Avatar> yeah I definitely added you, it matches the username
51:19 <MekkisScreen> A theory would suggest that real cops do smash-in-the-front-door
51:20 <MekkisScreen> searches in order to prove they're not vampires.  It might cause far
51:20 <MekkisScreen> less stress if they could simply show people the cop's reflection in a
51:21 <MekkisScreen> mirror instead.
51:29 <Avatar> look harder for the invite
51:36 <Mort-> Lol
51:49 <Mort-> Cops aren't vampires
52:01 <Mort-> They don't have sunlight sensitivity
53:06 <Urist> oh i had the skype offline im an idiot haha
53:25 <Mort-> But some folklore states that mirrors show your true form
53:40 <Avatar> did you find it
53:47 <Mort-> So should i look into a mirror i would have 4 paws and a tail?
53:53 * Mort- muses
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08:11 <Mort-> Wee
08:15 <Mort-> How's it?
14:20 <Avatar> I think I know what's making you sick mort
14:23 <Avatar> too much red cordial
19:10 <Mort-> Also avatar pass me morts chronicle sheet
19:16 <Mort-> For last Sundays pastor
19:18 <Mort-> Party
19:22 <Mort-> When i get home
22:02 <Avatar> I linked it to you
23:41 <Mort-> Thx
23:49 <Mort-> Yay I'm rich
24:00 <Mort-> And saving for a wand of persist
24:40 <Avatar> rod
32:55 <Mort-> Ya
32:58 <Mort-> Stick .
33:03 <Mort-> Fancy stick
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35:58 <OrangeShark> Mort- you there?
43:48 <Mort-> I am now
43:50 <Mort-> What's up
43:53 <Mort-> I'm here
44:25 <Mort-> Oh dear
44:31 <Mort-> game cancelled?
44:37 <Mort-> Due to technical difficulties
45:09 <Mort-> I can't really help i have no maptools here and i don't know the gm side of maptools
46:44 <MekkisScreen> mort, is Ipoh soup good?
46:50 <MekkisScreen> for lunch?
47:13 <Mort-> Yes
47:25 <MekkisScreen> ok
47:36 * MekkisScreen orders
50:25 * MekkisScreen considers fried lemur
50:39 * MekkisScreen considers fried mort
50:40 <OrangeShark> how did you know?
51:04 <MekkisScreen> what "technical limitations"?
51:43 <OrangeShark> we couldnt connect to the server
52:08 <MekkisScreen> it's a CGN isn't it
52:18 <MekkisScreen> or a NAT of some sort
52:21 <MekkisScreen> use IPv6
52:23 <OrangeShark> CGN?
52:29 <MekkisScreen> carrier grade nat
53:04 <OrangeShark> its a bit late to start now but thanks
54:01 <OrangeShark> i was really looking forward to it aswell but ah well
59:26 * Mort- hugs orange shark
59:38 <Mort-> First time i heard that happen though
59:49 <Mort-> And mekkis. How could you
00:04 <Mort-> Fried mur? :(
00:37 <Mort-> You're a wicked sick bastard to consider eating a cool fluffy mur like me :(
00:44 <MekkisScreen> is it really fried if incinerated by a breath weapon?
01:50 <Mort-> But?
01:55 <Mort-> I'm a mur!
02:07 <OrangeShark> i fell kinda angry was looking forward to it and all, but enough ranting hows is everyone?
02:08 <Mort-> I've done you no wrong :(
02:16 <Mort-> Why are you doing it
02:16 <MekkisScreen> you recommended a subpar dish!
02:21 <Mort-> What?
02:25 <Mort-> Its your tastes
02:36 <MekkisScreen> the Ipoh is rather bland
02:40 <Mort-> We have good ipoh hor fun here
02:47 <Mort-> Its your tastes. Not my fault
02:58 <Mort-> Seriously.
03:14 <Mort-> Or maybe they do it badly there
03:18 <MekkisScreen> not my fault I prefer toasted lemur
03:54 <OrangeShark> oh a lemur, i was wondering what a mur was haha
04:13 * Mort- wails loudly and hides behind hydrazine
04:41 <Mort-> Well seriously mek. Next time you ask for food advice i won't give you any :)
04:41 <MekkisScreen> She's actually a lemure
04:52 <MekkisScreen> not a lemur
04:54 <Mort-> No. There is no e
05:15 <Mort-> Else i may get smited by nosey pallies
05:20 <Mort-> I am a lemur.
05:27 <Mort-> Without the e at the back
05:35 <MekkisScreen> that's what she wants you to think!
07:00 <OrangeShark> what kind? one of those stripped ones with the yellow eyes
07:20 <Mort-> The one from magadascar
07:28 <OrangeShark> touche
07:29 <Mort-> With huge eyes and a fluffy tail
07:42 <Mort-> A mouse lemur
07:49 <Mort-> Totally harmless
07:54 <MekkisScreen> Nope
07:57 <MekkisScreen> she's a lemurewe
07:59 <Mort-> You need to keep monsters away from me.
08:03 <MekkisScreen> lemure even
08:11 <Mort-> Lemur. No e.
08:13 <MekkisScreen> look at the Evil aura!
09:15 <OrangeShark> http://www.google.ie/imgres?num=10&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=y_0xNlw3nhE57M:&imgrefurl=http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/3lemurs/&docid=Gd0mX_who7ZhFM&imgurl=http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/0621ci2.jpg&w=358&h=240&ei=KwTYT8KWKJO0hAeQ1K3uAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=802&vpy=193&dur=1109&hovh=184&hovw=274&tx=157&ty=121&sig=100300920686880516436&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=139&tbnw=1
09:16 <OrangeShark> 85&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:132
09:37 <OrangeShark> like that pic?
10:19 <OrangeShark> sorry if that spammed the chat ...
10:21 <MekkisScreen> The URL is too long
11:46 <OrangeShark> ok, go to google images, type in mouse lemur and look at the 5th picture
11:48 <Mort-> madagascar.wikia.com/wiki/Mort
14:15 <OrangeShark> aww
15:06 <OrangeShark> that is cute
15:32 <Mort-> Yeah look at those pictures on top
15:42 <Mort-> Don't listen to meks propoganda
17:16 <Mort-> google.com.sg/m/imgres?q=mort+magadascar&hl=en&start=2&site=images&imgid=ANd9GcSCkNaZuUARlA5fmhSCFe1B9CNWGtxi5Smeb8Wdipmcce9UObilmCd2zA&imgsz=14065&imgurl=http://eugenia.queru.com/images/mort.jpg&imgrefurl=http://eugenia.queru.com/2006/08/11/madagascar/&ht=225&wd=300&tbnh=87&tbnw=116&ei=IQbYT_i9CInPrQe3jwE&ved=0CBAQ9QEwAg
17:39 <Mort-> eugenia.queru.com/images/mort.jpg
18:18 <Mort-> If you do mean things to me i become like this
18:21 <Mort-> profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50508_38020676869_2845374_n.jpg
29:02 <OrangeShark> im off to bed nighty night
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57:16 <mekkis_tab> dyplnmopqrstuvwn
59:34 <MekkisScreen> what should I get for Perfection?
59:41 <MekkisScreen> I'm thinking a belt of strength
59:56 <MekkisScreen> unless amulet of mighty fists works
16:21 <Mort-> Mighty fists work
16:40 <Mort-> But strength is cheaper to add damage and attack rating
16:55 <Mort-> However mighty fists lets you overcome dr
17:13 <Mort-> For magic
17:53 <Mort-> I was thinking of carrying gmw around then realized if i wanted magic attacks ill just lesser evo surge it
18:00 <Mort-> Not an issue
18:10 <Mort-> Greater magic fang excuse me
18:46 <Mort-> Wouldn't argue that an eidolon has no neck slot really
19:18 <Mort-> And maybe a wand of reduce person is a good idea instead of rod of wonder
19:33 <Mort-> Again - 6 levels to go
19:47 <Mort-> Long time
21:45 <MekkisScreen> what third level spells should Itzamna get?
21:53 <MekkisScreen> D-Door?
21:57 <MekkisScreen> GMF?
22:04 <MekkisScreen> SM4?
22:32 <MekkisScreen> Black tentacles?
22:50 <MekkisScreen> Evolution surge
23:06 <MekkisScreen> the problem with summoners is that their spell list is too good :)
27:19 <Mort-> Evo surge
27:30 <Mort-> Gmf i think maybe
27:45 <Mort-> Ddoor is a good one too
27:50 <Mort-> But you already have it
38:02 <Mort-> Damn there was something i wanted to check out
38:08 <Mort-> But can't remember what it was
43:23 <Mort-> True strike abuse - checked
43:36 <Mort-> Gmf and aomf stack or not. Checked
50:33 <Mort-> Mekkis
50:51 <Mort-> How did myz cast when using shadow projection
37:52 <Mort-> Eschew components?
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14:04 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: want to hear some cheesy bullshit?
14:34 <Mort-> Sure
14:35 <Mort-> Lol
14:38 <MekkisScreen> ok
14:42 <MekkisScreen> half-orc archer
14:49 <Mort-> You know i always have a ear for cheese
14:55 <MekkisScreen> toothy racial trait to get the bite attack
15:01 <Mort-> I think hydra should listen
15:01 <MekkisScreen> combat expertise.
15:26 <MekkisScreen> in your full attack action, declare combat expertise, firing off your bow at the enemy
15:34 <Mort-> Yeah was considering it on kharn who is my home game thug
15:37 <MekkisScreen> then attack an adjacent square with your bite to allow it to work
15:38 <Mort-> But too late now
15:57 <Mort-> Aoo for using range?
16:14 <Mort-> Attacking an adjacent square?
16:25 <Mort-> How can you attack an empty square
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17:00 <Mort-> Why couldn't you just use combat expertise straight
17:20 <Mort-> Without  even attacking adjacent square
21:43 <MekkisScreen> because you need a melee attack
22:01 <MekkisScreen> combat expertise is +AC -melee attack
24:18 <Avatar> that is cheesy
24:35 <MekkisScreen> and it's BS
33:58 <Mort-> Lol
34:10 <Mort-> Say you need someone beside you to use it
34:33 <Mort-> I need help with armor spikes
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15:24 <Hydrazine> Its about as bad as Sohei having to attack the ground with half of their flurry, Mekkis, because since its like twf, you can't make all the attacks with a singular weapon, and you can't hold two polearms.
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08:54 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 16th 11am (MincedSushi, tier 1-7) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
08:54 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Mon Jun 11 12:57:28 2012
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09:11 <Mort-> Urk
09:22 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, take a level of synthesist
09:25 <Mekkis> then you can :)
09:31 <Mekkis> or alchemist
12:02 <Hydrazine> Having to take another classes to make a monk work says that the monk just doesn't work.
13:41 <Mekkis> if you knew monk didn't work, why did you roll one up?
14:17 <Hydrazine> Trying to work around it. I guess I could specify that example to sohei.
18:24 <Mekkis> the workaround is either to have an accommodating GM who allows it, to take some levels in other classes, or give up
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19:27 <mortswishytail> Hoku works fine
19:39 <Hydrazine> Provided the target can be grappled.
19:42 <mortswishytail> Against one guy at a time that is
19:46 <mortswishytail> What can't be
19:54 <mortswishytail> You grab anything that moves
20:00 <mortswishytail> Crocs. 
20:03 <Hydrazine> Something too big, for example.
20:09 <mortswishytail> Ghouls
20:34 <mortswishytail> That's why you need the spring loaded wrist sheathed
20:44 <mortswishytail> And a potion of enlarge person
20:48 <mortswishytail> Matter settled
21:21 <mortswishytail> What was pin rules
21:30 <mortswishytail> One size larger or same size only
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22:33 <Mort-> Mekkis
22:53 <Mort-> Would you allow a floating disc to cars
23:01 <Mort-> Carry players?
23:09 <Mort-> Like luggage
23:14 <Mekkis> probably
23:30 <Hydrazine> Why not?
23:37 <Hydrazine> If its within size and weight limits..
26:32 <Mort-> Will be ^^
27:15 * Mort- has plans!
27:16 <Mort-> If it is not directed it maintains a distance of 5 ft from you
27:34 <Mort-> So its next to you or a 5 ft gap away
27:43 <Hydrazine> adjacent.
27:50 <Hydrazine> 5ft away IS the next square.
27:53 <Mort-> Next to you?
28:10 <Mekkis> hey
28:17 <Mekkis> give your eidolon UMD and a wand!
28:27 <Mekkis> wow
28:30 <Mekkis> that's a cool idea
30:21 <Mort-> That is good
30:33 <Mort-> If you're doing a master summoner
30:40 <Mort-> They have half evo points
31:05 <Mort-> Making them not too good combatants
33:19 <Mort-> If not otherwise directed, it maintains a constant interval of 5 feet between itself and you. 
33:32 <Mort-> So is it next to you or not
35:03 <Hydrazine> so if a game square is a 5ft square. two objects at the center of two adjacent squares are.. 5 ft away from eachother, yes?
36:15 <Hydrazine> I think a better question is: Does the game include anything at all for measuring horizontal distances in less than 5 foot increments?
37:25 <Mort-> Imo yes
37:34 <Mort-> This is for kalara
37:51 <Mort-> Unless jerus would like mort to move him?
38:07 <Mort-> That can be arranged as well
38:07 <Hydrazine> I think Jerus gets around just fine on his own.
38:33 <Mort-> Ah i suppose  so
38:53 <Mort-> I'm seeing who i get to push around :p
39:03 <Mort-> Or drag into the melee with me
39:22 <Avatar> you're thinking too mechanically hydrazine
39:55 <Mort-> Id just say next to me at a point i choose
39:58 <Avatar> there's loose rules saying you can occupy the same square based on size, and swarms can occupy the same square obviously, and you can move through other people's squares by "moving around" them
40:17 <Avatar> exactly how far away each thing is moot isn't it
40:26 <Hydrazine> My point is it can't be closer than 5 ft away without being in the same square. And since its atleast 5 feet away, it must be in an adjacent square.
41:00 <Avatar> pretty much
41:10 <Avatar> there are times when you can have a 6ft or 8ft space
41:20 <Avatar> but either way they still have to be adjacent or moving through
42:29 <Hydrazine> Not sure how I feel about this approach though, Mort.
42:29 <Avatar> like when there's something cylindrical in the room
42:29 <Hydrazine> I think it comes from the difference between thinking about turns as actions occurring within the same 6 seconds and thinking of turns in order of events.
42:30 <Urist> i dont know the GM's skype
42:58 <Urist> wel i do but my skype wont find it
43:04 <Urist> well*
43:20 <Avatar> it's a bit late to try and fix it as the game is supposed to start
43:35 <Urist> i have 20 mins
43:48 <Hydrazine> for example, if you're on a horse, your horse double-moves. Can you then use your turn to jump off the horse and go further, in the same direction?
43:50 <Avatar> what's your skype name
44:41 <Avatar> you've definitely got the right one
45:34 <Urist> mrjack.anderson
45:36 <Mort-> I would say yes if you got your quick dismount right
45:44 <Mort-> But that's me for you
45:47 <Hydrazine> I would say no.
46:05 <Hydrazine> In order to ride a horse for the horse's entire double move, you had to be on the horse for the whole turn.
46:12 <Mort-> Ok
46:21 <Hydrazine> Otherwise, you dismount somewhere along the way, and the horse goes on without you.
46:26 <Mort-> But its my turn to push the other person around
46:34 <Urist> i do
46:48 <Hydrazine> and its the horse's turn carry a rider for a double move.
46:56 <Mort-> Thing is just get the rules hammered out and ill roll with them
47:05 <Hydrazine> but both these turns are the same space of time, yes?
47:09 <Avatar> I've messaged him to add you
47:10 <Mort-> Does that mean the other person does not get a full round action?
47:15 <Mort-> Yes/mo
47:17 <Urist> thanks man
47:27 <Mort-> Say i move just before him
47:29 <Mort-> Ok
47:33 <Mort-> Good luck
47:38 <Mort-> Use my move action to direct the disc
47:51 <Urist> Cheers Mort-
47:54 <Mort-> With the person on top to wherever i chowpd
47:55 <Mort-> Choose
48:08 * Mort- tries to cast bless on urist but realises she doesn't have any divine caster levels
48:19 <Urist> haha
48:33 * Mort- casts infernal healing on urist instead ^^
48:33 <Avatar> and that you can't cast anything, since this is reality
48:47 <Mort-> Heh true
48:50 <Avatar> he's added you urist
48:52 <Mort-> Im off to work
49:01 <Hydrazine> Then during part of this turn, hes spending time moving on something else.
49:28 <Hydrazine> Would you also say that someone doing this could be carried adjacent to an enemy, and full attack on their turn?
49:37 <Urist> really? are you sure he got the right jack?
50:00 <Avatar> I added you too, did you get that
50:01 <Mort-> Get what i mean by character separation? :p
50:18 <Avatar> you didn't say anything about character separation
50:29 <Urist> nope try my email, its [email protected]
50:48 <Mort-> Yes that was what i was aiming for
50:52 <Mort-> The latter
51:00 <Mort-> I told him not use same character name as his irc nick
51:14 <Mort-> The former is nice but not really necessary
51:20 <Avatar> yeah I definitely added you, it matches the username
51:21 <MekkisScreen> A theory would suggest that real cops do smash-in-the-front-door
51:21 <MekkisScreen> searches in order to prove they're not vampires.  It might cause far
51:21 <MekkisScreen> less stress if they could simply show people the cop's reflection in a
51:22 <MekkisScreen> mirror instead.
51:30 <Avatar> look harder for the invite
51:37 <Mort-> Lol
51:43 <Hydrazine> A mounted combatant cannot take a full attack in a turn where his mount is moving linearly towards the enemy, since for part of the turn, the rider was not at the enemy to attack them.
51:50 <Mort-> Cops aren't vampires
51:54 <Hydrazine> Do you see how this is very similar?
52:02 <Mort-> They don't have sunlight sensitivity
53:07 <Urist> oh i had the skype offline im an idiot haha
53:26 <Mort-> But some folklore states that mirrors show your true form
53:41 <Avatar> did you find it
53:48 <Mort-> So should i look into a mirror i would have 4 paws and a tail?
53:54 * Mort- muses
54:49 <Mekkis> hehe
56:24 <Avatar> wow
56:31 <Avatar> I just took a test for a job on windows xp competency
56:36 <Avatar> I got 100%
56:39 <Mekkis> oh no
56:44 <Avatar> but apparently the global average is 77%
56:46 <Mekkis> how do you set up filesharing on windows XP?
56:56 <Avatar> no man it was shit like "open my computer"
57:03 <Avatar> "create a new folder called 'Letters'"
57:16 <Mekkis> was there a question on "what command do you use to enable IPv6 on windows XP"?
57:21 <Avatar> the global average is 77%
57:28 <Avatar> no
57:37 <Avatar> shit like "open my computer"
57:46 <Hydrazine> empty the recycle bin?
57:51 <Avatar> yep empty the recycle bin was one
57:56 <Mekkis> I would congratulate you... but it's BS
58:14 <Avatar> yeah I'm not after congratulations, I am bewildered that the global average is 77%
58:34 <Hydrazine> You would congratulate him, but its rather like congratulating him for wiping his own bum, something you expect anyone of his age to be able to do?
58:45 <Mekkis> pretty much, Hydrazine 
59:11 <Mekkis> How do you turn off "idiot mode" on windows XP?
59:25 <Hydrazine> uninstall XP?
59:46 <Avatar> does XP have idiot mode
59:50 <Mekkis> yes
59:54 <Mekkis> it's on by default
00:04 <Avatar> I don't recall that
00:11 <Avatar> except for uh
00:16 <Avatar> hide file extensions for known file types
00:26 <Avatar> which is really microsoft being idiots
01:17 <Mekkis> turning it off involves: 1) Changing the theme to windows classic; 2) Turn off Hide File Extensions for known file types; 3) Turn on Show Hidden Files; 4) Change the folder view to Details; 5) Turn off the welcome screen; 6) Turn on nolmhash in the registry
01:39 <Avatar> oh yeah, windows classic isn't default in XP
01:55 <Avatar> this test was in idiot mode
01:58 <Mort-> Well i was eating a burger
02:00 <Mekkis> yuck
02:18 <Mort-> And sigh my agent wants me to apply for a job
02:25 <Mekkis> windows 7 has more steps
02:48 <Mort-> And I'm sort of busy these few days with me bringing my office work own
02:51 <Mort-> Home
03:14 <Mort-> I've already skipped my weekly pfs session on table to
03:19 <Mort-> Top
03:39 <Mort-> And I'm sick. On top of everything else
03:42 <Avatar> aren't you playing on saturday
04:26 <Mort-> I would have been playing my thug yesterday had i not decided it was better to go home and do office worn
04:28 <Mort-> Work
04:29 <Mort-> Gah
05:00 <Mort-> I also didn't feel like talking much in real life with this flu on
05:18 <Mort-> I only have 24 h in a day fk it
05:47 <Mort-> Am i really supposed to push several nights without sleep?
05:51 <Mekkis> no
05:53 * Mort- growls
06:02 <Mekkis> but you're not supposed to take work home if they're not paying oyu
06:15 <Mekkis> or you might end up a crispy lemur
06:18 <Mort-> You do what you must when you must
06:26 <Mort-> Well that is true
06:35 <Mort-> No ones catching me at it so far
07:32 <Mort-> But there is simply no way i can get that much work done on time
08:04 <Mort-> How do you type out a ninety page document, edit 1000 other documents
08:12 <Mort-> Wee
08:13 <Mort-> All before the weekend comes?
08:16 <Mort-> How's it?
09:27 <Mort-> Well by sat all this would have blown over
09:34 <Mort-> Whether i live through it or not
09:50 <Mort-> So screw it I'm going to spend sat partying
10:29 * Mort- moper
10:38 * Mort- mopes. 
10:46 <Mort-> Is there a cloning spell for myself?
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10:55 <Mort-> So we can do stuff double time?
11:31 <Mort-> I mean there's no way i can get all this done on time
11:37 <Mort-> Gawd damn it
12:39 <Mort-> Its hard being a mur
13:19 <Mort-> I probably should have spent last weekend doing office work instead of pfs ><
13:33 <Mort-> Again. I had a great time that i don't regret :p
14:21 <Avatar> I think I know what's making you sick mort
14:24 <Avatar> too much red cordial
14:47 <Mort-> Well again i was intending to get some office work done but my cousins comp was down
14:53 <Mekkis> Mort-, regular expressions?
15:15 <Mort-> What regular expressions
15:25 <Mekkis> I'm not sure
15:32 <Mekkis> what documents do you need to edit?
15:44 <Mort-> Its all on the office server
16:03 <Mekkis> what edits do you need to make?
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17:07 <Mort-> Change the logo and some contents of it
17:09 <Mort-> But i rather do that manually - if i just did a raw find and replace thing it would all get fked up
17:23 <Mekkis> so, use regular expressions
17:26 <Mort-> Insert the logo and letterhead onto some documents.
17:39 <Mort-> What's regular expressions?
17:49 <Mekkis> I'd use LaTeX for the insertion of logo and letterhead
18:10 <Mekkis> methods for replacing text
19:11 <Mort-> Also avatar pass me morts chronicle sheet
19:15 <Mort-> Lol
19:16 <Mort-> Your a programmer :p
19:17 <Mort-> For last Sundays pastor
19:19 <Mort-> Party
19:19 <Mort-> I'm not
19:23 <Mort-> When i get home
19:38 <Mort-> And the text. I suggest you read it through before you try to replace it
19:40 <Mekkis> stop complaining, lest I replace your job with a ten line shell script
20:00 <Mort-> Hm. Could i execute that 10 line script? :p
20:22 <Mort-> I'm already cheating with the document I'm supposed to type out...
20:36 <Mort-> I used ocr and I'm just doing copy and paste :p
20:44 <Mekkis> what?
20:49 <Mekkis> adding a letterhead to a document?
21:03 <Mort-> The hard part is getting the (a) and (b) to align
21:42 <Mekkis> is that all you're doing?
21:47 <Mort-> Sigh. I guess its nice to have more geek
21:50 <Mort-> Well yes
21:51 <Mekkis> I've WRITTEN a script to do that!
22:03 <Avatar> I linked it to you
22:04 * Mort- ><s
22:17 <Mekkis> it's about 10 lines long
22:25 <Mekkis> actually it's 11 lines
22:40 * Mort- sighs
22:49 <Mekkis> (well, one line is commented out)
23:10 <Mekkis> so really ten lines
23:21 <Mort-> Also need to use my own discretion to change some words in there
23:22 <Mort-> Like australia was supposed to be changed to international
23:32 <Mekkis> oh
23:39 <Mekkis> s/australia/international/g
23:42 <Mekkis> one line
23:43 <Mort-> Thx
23:49 <Mort-> But sometimes if you change the words it won't make sense
23:50 <Mort-> Yay I'm rich
23:56 <Mekkis> so?
23:59 <Mekkis> add the letterhead
24:01 <Mort-> And saving for a wand of persist
24:12 <Mekkis> and see if that's what your boss really wants
24:41 <Avatar> rod
25:01 <Mort-> Like they are refering
25:02 <Mort-> To australian standards of blah
25:02 <Mort-> I'm not sure if there is an international standard of blah either
25:09 <Mort-> Or they say . In australia the sun is very hot so everyone must wear sunscreen
25:22 <Mort-> If you replace australia with international
25:25 <Mort-> It won't make sense
25:32 <Mekkis> true that
25:44 <Mekkis> but adding the letterhead is a ten line script
25:52 <Mekkis> actually, it's ten lines of LaTeX
25:53 <Mort-> And you won't know until you read the bloody document
26:01 <Mort-> He wants me to add letter head and
26:37 <Mekkis> actually
26:55 <Mekkis> shouldn't you only be adding the letterhead as you're sending it out to the client, or printing it out?
27:12 <Mort-> Edit the australia to international
27:12 <Mort-> And a few changes of that type
27:12 <Mort-> And there are 1077 documents to run through
27:15 <Mort-> I'm up to 614 atm
27:18 <Mort-> Waow
28:13 <Mort-> He wants them ready for printing
28:22 <Mort-> I think
28:30 <Mekkis> well
28:34 <Mekkis> do the letterhead last
28:36 <Mekkis> with the LaTeX
28:48 <Mekkis> I pasted it in the other channel
28:48 <Mort-> Lol. Ill do it all together i think
30:04 <Mort-> I dunno
31:23 <Mort-> Didn't see it anyway
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31:57 <Mort-> Hi bru :(
32:04 <Brunius> Hi Mort- :(
32:10 <Mekkis> hi Brunius 
32:10 * Mort- is a moping mur
32:16 <Brunius> hi Mekkis
32:21 <Mekkis> I just replaced Mort-'s job with ten lines of LaTeX code!
32:30 <Brunius> ...
32:37 <Brunius> I doubt it.
32:57 <Mort-> Ya
32:59 <Mort-> Stick .
33:02 <Mekkis> that I wrote last year
33:04 <Mort-> Fancy stick
33:06 <Brunius> On an unrelated note, what does a bios freezing in the middle of startup usually mean?
33:08 <Mekkis> to replace someone else's job
33:15 <Mort-> Yeah
33:16 <Mort-> But i didn't see it
33:16 <Mort-> And how to use it anyway
33:16 <Mort-> I believe him. But i probably wasn't there
33:16 <Mekkis> fucked up hardware
34:15 <Brunius> I started it up. Got up to "Memory testi"
34:22 <Brunius> Unplug everything except mouse and screen
34:26 <Brunius> Starts up completely
34:32 <Brunius> This mobo is wierd, Mekkis.
34:35 <Brunius> And it's your fault
34:48 <Mekkis> I was using it at work for over a year
35:26 * Mort- wags her tail at the channel
35:42 * Mekkis punts Mort- 
36:20 <Mort-> Go ahead. I'm a lazy mur and deserve to be punted :(
36:29 <Mort-> I can't finish my work on time :(
37:39 <Avatar> maybe you need to stay home and rest so you can go back to work more productive when you feel well
38:33 <Mort-> I should have stayed at home to pfs today :p or not since the game was cancelled due to technical difficulties
40:24 <Avatar> pretty you staying home should have had nothing to do with whether the game had technical difficulties or not
40:31 <Avatar> pretty sure*
41:15 <Mort-> Lol
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44:00 <Mekkis> I need a scotch
44:16 <Mort-> You're not getting one!
44:24 <Mort-> I stay off alcohol!
44:28 <Mort-> You should too!
44:35 <Mort-> Alcohol is bad for you!
44:44 <Mekkis> brb
44:57 <Mekkis> getting scotch and considering toasting a lemur
45:16 <Hydrazine> Hey, alot of our species survived harder times because of alchohol.
45:22 * Mort- growls at mekkis
45:34 <Hydrazine> We figured out how to make beer and wine before we learned how to sterilize water.
45:36 <Mort-> My kingdom called me the nun before :p
45:42 <Mort-> For my behavior..
45:47 <Mort-> All my quirks
45:52 <Hydrazine> ...What would you say the alignment of a nun might be?
45:55 <Hydrazine> Perhaps something like..
45:57 <Hydrazine> Lawful good?
45:59 <Mort-> Like going no alcohol
46:20 <Mort-> And no screwing each other up in public
48:27 <Mort-> If you want to screw each other make sure i don't see it
48:28 <Mort-> Ah well
48:28 <Mort-> Toasting a lemur
48:28 <Mort-> Ffs...
48:28 <Mort-> Anyway hydra. I have taken alcohol before
48:28 * Mort- sighs
48:28 <Mort-> But generally i don't drink.
48:55 <Mort-> Look on the bright side. I haven't gotten hungover yet
50:06 <Mort-> A little tipsy - yes. Hungover? No
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35:08 <Mekkis> Brunius, when do your school holidays start?
36:00 <OrangeShark> Mort- you there?
36:24 <Mekkis> for an archer, is str or dex more important?
43:20 <Hydrazine> I would say dex. need accuracy to do damage. plus archery in D&D tends to lean towards lots of attacks, and thus attack penalties.
43:49 <Mort-> I am now
43:51 <Mort-> What's up
43:54 <Mort-> I'm here
44:27 <Mort-> Oh dear
44:32 <Mort-> game cancelled?
44:39 <Mort-> Due to technical difficulties
45:10 <Mort-> I can't really help i have no maptools here and i don't know the gm side of maptools
46:15 <Avatar> definitely dex
46:27 <Avatar> dex is essential, str is a luxury
46:45 <MekkisScreen> mort, is Ipoh soup good?
46:51 <MekkisScreen> for lunch?
47:14 <Mort-> Yes
47:26 <MekkisScreen> ok
47:37 * MekkisScreen orders
48:30 <Mekkis> I know in D&D str was pretty important
48:57 <Hydrazine> Actually, I think I think the difference just gets bigger and bigger as you level.
49:29 <Hydrazine> For weapon based conbat in general, its not the damage dice that really go up, its the modifiers.
49:55 <Hydrazine> Current Jerus swings 1d12+16. theory level 11 Jerus swings 1d12+28.
50:26 * MekkisScreen considers fried lemur
50:32 <Hydrazine> Archery, you'll get more from deadly aim than you will from high strength.
50:34 <Hydrazine> Pretty early on.
50:41 * MekkisScreen considers fried mort
50:41 <OrangeShark> how did you know?
51:00 <Hydrazine> Then you throw in all the archery feats, and strength should become pretty secondary.
51:05 <MekkisScreen> what "technical limitations"?
51:44 <OrangeShark> we couldnt connect to the server
52:09 <MekkisScreen> it's a CGN isn't it
52:19 <MekkisScreen> or a NAT of some sort
52:23 <MekkisScreen> use IPv6
52:24 <OrangeShark> CGN?
52:31 <MekkisScreen> carrier grade nat
53:05 <OrangeShark> its a bit late to start now but thanks
54:03 <OrangeShark> i was really looking forward to it aswell but ah well
55:19 <Mekkis> mainly because 3.5 doesn't have deadly aim
59:27 * Mort- hugs orange shark
59:39 <Mort-> First time i heard that happen though
59:50 <Mort-> And mekkis. How could you
00:06 <Mort-> Fried mur? :(
00:39 <Mort-> You're a wicked sick bastard to consider eating a cool fluffy mur like me :(
00:45 <MekkisScreen> is it really fried if incinerated by a breath weapon?
01:52 <Mort-> But?
01:56 <Mort-> I'm a mur!
02:08 <OrangeShark> i fell kinda angry was looking forward to it and all, but enough ranting hows is everyone?
02:10 <Mort-> I've done you no wrong :(
02:17 <Mort-> Why are you doing it
02:17 <MekkisScreen> you recommended a subpar dish!
02:23 <Mort-> What?
02:26 <Mort-> Its your tastes
02:37 <MekkisScreen> the Ipoh is rather bland
02:41 <Mort-> We have good ipoh hor fun here
02:48 <Mort-> Its your tastes. Not my fault
03:00 <Mort-> Seriously.
03:10 <Urist> hey peeps,
03:15 <Mort-> Or maybe they do it badly there
03:19 <MekkisScreen> not my fault I prefer toasted lemur
03:46 <Mekkis> hey
03:55 <OrangeShark> oh a lemur, i was wondering what a mur was haha
04:15 * Mort- wails loudly and hides behind hydrazine
04:35 <Urist> whats up?
04:42 <Mort-> Well seriously mek. Next time you ask for food advice i won't give you any :)
04:42 <MekkisScreen> She's actually a lemure
04:54 <MekkisScreen> not a lemur
04:56 <Mort-> No. There is no e
05:16 <Mort-> Else i may get smited by nosey pallies
05:21 <Mort-> I am a lemur.
05:24 <Mekkis> not much
05:29 <Mort-> Without the e at the back
05:36 <MekkisScreen> that's what she wants you to think!
05:41 <Mekkis> trying to balance a horribly MAD character
06:07 <Urist> cool, what is he/her?
06:19 <Urist> sorry she*
06:36 <Mekkis> a bard
06:39 <Mekkis> with a bow
07:02 <OrangeShark> what kind? one of those stripped ones with the yellow eyes
07:22 <Mort-> The one from magadascar
07:30 <OrangeShark> touche
07:31 <Mort-> With huge eyes and a fluffy tail
07:43 <Mort-> A mouse lemur
07:50 <Mort-> Totally harmless
07:56 <MekkisScreen> Nope
07:58 <Urist> ah, does he use a instrument at all or just the bow?
07:59 <MekkisScreen> she's a lemurewe
08:00 <Mort-> You need to keep monsters away from me.
08:04 <MekkisScreen> lemure even
08:12 <Mort-> Lemur. No e.
08:12 <Mekkis> he has perform (oratory)
08:14 <MekkisScreen> look at the Evil aura!
08:30 <Mekkis> he shouts at people
09:01 <Urist> haha, nice
09:16 <OrangeShark> http://www.google.ie/imgres?num=10&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbnid=y_0xNlw3nhE57M:&imgrefurl=http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/3lemurs/&docid=Gd0mX_who7ZhFM&imgurl=http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/0621ci2.jpg&w=358&h=240&ei=KwTYT8KWKJO0hAeQ1K3uAw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=802&vpy=193&dur=1109&hovh=184&hovw=274&tx=157&ty=121&sig=100300920686880516436&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=139&tbnw=1
09:17 <OrangeShark> 85&start=0&ndsp=21&ved=1t:429,r:4,s:0,i:132
09:39 <OrangeShark> like that pic?
09:39 <Avatar> what is MAD
09:53 <Mekkis> multiple-ability dependent
10:15 <Mekkis> I think I'll use 25 point buy to compensate
10:20 <OrangeShark> sorry if that spammed the chat ...
10:23 <MekkisScreen> The URL is too long
10:25 <Avatar> is this not for PFS
10:30 <Urist> oh, i taught you meant crazy, ot he was really good
10:44 <Urist> or that*
11:48 <OrangeShark> ok, go to google images, type in mouse lemur and look at the 5th picture
11:49 <Mort-> madagascar.wikia.com/wiki/Mort
12:28 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz597r?Gary-Gygax-Role-Playing-Mastery#2
14:17 <OrangeShark> aww
15:07 <OrangeShark> that is cute
15:33 <Mort-> Yeah look at those pictures on top
15:43 <Mort-> Don't listen to meks propoganda
17:17 <Mort-> google.com.sg/m/imgres?q=mort+magadascar&hl=en&start=2&site=images&imgid=ANd9GcSCkNaZuUARlA5fmhSCFe1B9CNWGtxi5Smeb8Wdipmcce9UObilmCd2zA&imgsz=14065&imgurl=http://eugenia.queru.com/images/mort.jpg&imgrefurl=http://eugenia.queru.com/2006/08/11/madagascar/&ht=225&wd=300&tbnh=87&tbnw=116&ei=IQbYT_i9CInPrQe3jwE&ved=0CBAQ9QEwAg
17:41 <Mort-> eugenia.queru.com/images/mort.jpg
18:20 <Mort-> If you do mean things to me i become like this
18:22 <Mort-> profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/50508_38020676869_2845374_n.jpg
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29:04 <OrangeShark> im off to bed nighty night
29:37 <Mort-> Bleh
29:48 <Mort-> A dc
36:53 <Mekkis> someone should run Way of the Wicked
40:47 <Avatar> is that a module
45:10 <Avatar> that does sound good
45:22 <Avatar> I'd play that
49:45 Brunius ([email protected]) has left #d&d
51:56 <Mekkis> it's not PFS
53:47 <Avatar> yeah I'd still play it
57:17 <mekkis_tab> dyplnmopqrstuvwn
59:27 <Mekkis> what's happened to you?
59:36 <MekkisScreen> what should I get for Perfection?
59:43 <MekkisScreen> I'm thinking a belt of strength
59:58 <MekkisScreen> unless amulet of mighty fists works
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