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01:41:06 <Brunius> The stupidity of some people astounds me.
01:41:17 <Brunius> And sadly, I think this guy is actually stupid, not just trolling.
01:47:29 <Hydrazine> Happens.
01:47:59 <Hydrazine> I knew a full grown adult before who had absolutely no idea of the concept of evaporation.
01:50:15 <Steven> i hate rolling for stats
01:55:31 <Mekkis> Steven, my sundays generally aren't free
01:56:17 <Mekkis> oh, and regarding that game: no, I didn't win
01:56:20 <Mekkis> neither did anyone else
01:56:48 <Mekkis> the stack had about 50 objects on it before everyone called it a draw
01:57:21 <Mekkis> Nightmare is 1 scenario off level 2
01:57:29 <Mekkis> after about a year
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02:10:48 <Avatar> so tomorrow's not on is it
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02:15:14 <Avatar> what's evaporation?
02:17:35 <Steven> so far we are 2/4 bare minimum
02:17:54 <Steven> we could reschedule for next saturday, give people a bit more time
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02:18:41 <Avatar> Uptime: 3wks 1day 20hrs 37mins 18secs
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02:19:24 <Steven> mekkis, i hate when games get like that! worst part about that card is how it overcomplicates games when people dont respond reasonably to it.
02:19:47 <Mekkis> it was because someone else played the memory plunder
02:19:59 <Mekkis> I created a nuclear reactor
02:20:04 <Mekkis> he turned it into a bomb
02:20:06 <Steven> yeah, bad response...
02:21:18 <Mekkis> also, on second thoughts, I think I played it wrong
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02:22:26 <Steven> ive never really liked Eye in EDH because it gets out of control super fast
02:23:05 <Mekkis> the deck runs Eye of the Storm, Hive Mind, Grip of Chaos
02:23:11 <Mekkis> and a bunch of other BS like that
02:23:25 <Steven> sounds like a deck that just wants to overly complicate games
02:24:20 <Mekkis> indeed
02:24:38 <Mekkis> I normally only pull it out in the late hours of the night, at big events
02:24:50 <Mekkis> where it's "Judges playing EDH at the hotel"
02:25:51 <Steven> yeah, ive got a very fun edh thats basically counter shinaniganz deck, its a black green enchantment/artifact/graveyard hate with spot removal
02:26:32 <Steven> its win condition is like 6-7 pieces of indestructable infect.
02:26:33 <Mekkis> running lifegrip and deathgrip?
02:27:14 <Steven> i am unfamiliar with lifegrip
02:27:22 <Steven> but no im not running deathgrip
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02:29:00 <Mekkis> we had hivemind+pox occur once
02:29:09 <Steven> heh
02:29:25 <Mekkis> and hivemind+shaharazad
02:29:32 <Steven> recently we had a hivemind+pacts deck roll through the shop
02:29:33 <Mekkis> that was horrible
02:29:45 <Steven> and it made it through one game
02:29:52 <Steven> then i deck switched
02:29:57 <Mekkis> yeah, but hivemind+pact is something you play in legacy, not in EDH
02:30:10 <Mekkis> Lifeforce {GG} |Enchantment| GG: Counter target black spell. · 4E-U,5E-U,A-U,B-U,ME4-R,RV-U,U-U,Vin,Leg,Cla
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02:31:28 <Steven> he tried hivemind pact again
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02:31:43 <Steven> i flashed in that artifact myr during my upkeep
02:31:47 <Steven> then flashed in sundial
02:31:55 <Steven> ended my turn
02:32:02 <Steven> table high fived me
02:32:17 <Steven> havent seen the deck again
02:32:25 <Steven> which is good because it was annoying as fuck
02:32:29 <Mekkis> as I said
02:32:32 <Mekkis> that's a legacy deck
02:32:36 <Mekkis> not an EDH one
02:32:44 <Steven> yeah, he plays the legacy deck as well
02:32:51 <Mekkis> I'm fine with that
02:32:58 <Steven> its basically an edh formed around that concept
02:33:03 * Mekkis plays Belcher in legacy
02:33:20 <Steven> I play an EOT deck in legacy
02:33:25 <Mekkis> EOT?
02:33:34 <Steven> end of turn
02:33:45 <Mekkis> what's that?
02:33:49 <Steven> its basically turn 1 land, 1 drop creature
02:34:03 <Steven> turn two unload as many buffs onto that creature as possible
02:34:13 <Steven> swing for win
02:34:20 <Mekkis> ah
02:34:26 <Mekkis> glistener elf?
02:34:31 <Steven> its boring, but effective against the current meta
02:34:34 <Steven> pretty much yeah
02:35:01 <Steven> the meta down at the shop is all about merfolk
02:35:19 <Steven> so, i dont play much
02:46:58 <Steven> peanut butter jelly sandwich good
02:47:27 <Mekkis> I think there's a big magic tournament next weekend
03:02:53 <Mort-> Hello
03:03:00 <Avatar> yo
03:03:15 <Mort-> I'm back from family lunch
03:03:27 * Mort- is a roundmur
03:05:06 <Mort-> I should start planning kalara's feat progression
03:09:28 <Mort-> Avatar - how do you use the hair hex thing
03:11:04 <Avatar> what do you mean how do you use it
03:11:06 <Avatar> you just use it
03:11:37 <Steven> i wouldnt doubt it
03:11:50 <Mekkis> chances are high I'll be judging it
03:12:04 <Mekkis> as one of the two active L2s in the state
03:12:11 <Mort-> Do you need a standard action to activate it?
03:12:18 <Mort-> also flying with the fly hex
03:12:52 <Mort-> Is it the moment you get into combat you need to activate it using a standard action?
03:22:51 * Mort- ponders
03:41:31 <tashphones> Ughhh my head!
03:42:03 <tashphones> Mekkis, they got me really drunk
03:43:41 <Mekkis> how rude
03:56:56 * Mort- hugs tashes
03:57:03 <Mort-> don't let them do it again!
04:00:39 <Mekkis> don't let other people get you pissed
04:00:46 <Mekkis> get pissed on your own terms
04:02:14 <Avatar> she did get pissed on her own terms
04:02:20 <Avatar> she is just trying to pass blame !
04:03:18 <Mekkis> give her the benefit of the doubt
04:05:48 <Avatar> that someone was forcefed her those drinks
04:05:51 <Avatar> I think not
04:07:40 <Mort-> Watch what you drink
04:07:49 <Mort-> One day i should show up here drunk
04:08:02 <Mort-> But i haven't gotten totally wasted before.
04:08:09 <Mort-> A little tipsy yes.
04:08:12 <Mort-> Wasted no
04:08:28 <tashphones> Well really, they forced me to serve food at the party. And it was hot. And they kept putting champagne in my hand. So... They got me drank.
04:08:49 <Mort-> You shouldn't have drunk so much
04:08:54 <Mort-> Or at least taken water
04:09:07 <Mort-> Then get home drink 2 l of water
04:09:19 <Mort-> Stay awake for half h before you pass out
04:09:29 <Mort-> Its how to avoid hangovers
04:10:24 <Mekkis> yuck
04:10:31 <Mort-> And guys. Id like to lodge a complaint :p
04:10:40 <Mekkis> with whom?
04:10:44 <tashphones> I didn't even realise how much id drunk. I east feeling it.
04:10:51 <Mort-> Anyone who would listen
04:10:52 <tashphones> Wasnt
04:11:06 <tashphones> Yes?
04:11:13 <Mort-> Steven accused me of shienagans :p
04:11:30 <Mort-> If i were to appear as a syn or a magus :p
04:11:32 <Mort-> Sigh
04:11:38 <tashphones> Well. Were there shennanigans?
04:11:40 * Mort- is grossly misunderstood
04:11:45 <Mort-> No!
04:12:02 <tashphones> :p
04:12:04 * Mort- is just an innocent fun loving mur!
04:12:31 * tashphones pets mort
04:12:32 <Mort-> I didn't even play them with him gming yet :p
04:12:57 <Mort-> he threatened to target me specifically if i did shienigans
04:13:03 * Mort- is sad
04:14:15 <Mort-> He says because I'm appearing as a magus or a syn - i will be up to shienigans
04:14:24 <Mort-> Just based on my class alone :(
04:14:36 <Mort-> I protest class bias!
04:14:50 * Mort- lodges a complaint and starts wailing
04:19:57 <Mekkis> depends what you mean by shenanigans
04:21:21 <Mort-> Nothing :)
04:21:28 <Mort-> Its really nothing
04:21:55 <Mort-> My flurry does less damage then a two handed fighter on hit
04:22:08 <Mort-> Now that's no reason to target me is it?
04:27:08 <Mekkis> there are better reasons!
04:27:54 <Mort-> Like?
04:28:06 * Mort- looks innocent
04:28:31 <Mekkis> being annoying
04:28:35 <Mekkis> not buying the DM pizza
04:30:13 <Mort-> This is online i can't buy you pizza!
04:30:21 <Mort-> I'm not annoying!
04:30:28 <Mort-> im a shymur!
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11:04:36 <EricMcG> Did they cancel Mask of the Living God?
11:06:13 <Ballig> dunno
11:06:56 <EricMcG> Only saw a couple accept and it seems quiet here
11:09:04 <Hydrazine> Hm.
11:09:10 <Hydrazine> Is about start time huh?
11:09:31 <EricMcG> If it starts at all
11:09:59 <Steven> we had two people sign up for it
11:10:20 <Steven> so, just gonna reschedule till next week, give people more time to clear their schedule
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11:10:59 <EricMcG> Maybe wait a few more minutes?
11:11:00 <Mort-> Have fun guys
11:11:03 <Mort-> And good luck
11:11:12 <Steven> we are at 2/4 eric
11:11:20 <Mort-> I can't play today 1 h 50 min left on timer
11:11:24 <Mort-> Then ill be out
11:11:27 <Steven> at T+11 minutes
11:11:34 <EricMcG> OK next week then
11:11:34 <Mort-> We already knew
11:11:41 <Steven> so, next week seems more likely
11:11:49 * Mort- fluffles eric hard
11:11:52 <Mort-> Can i?
11:11:55 <Steven> modules not going anywhere, its not on the decomissioned list.
11:12:15 <Mort-> So i get to bring xyn i guess?
11:12:18 <Mort-> Oh!
11:12:26 <Steven> no mort, you dont
11:12:31 <Steven> because i hate syns
11:12:33 <Mort-> Lol why?
11:12:35 <Mort-> Ok fine
11:12:41 <Mort-> Magus it is!
11:12:48 <Steven> nope no magus
11:12:50 <Mort-> She made 2 yesterday!
11:12:52 <Mort-> What ?
11:12:58 <Steven> because i hate magus too
11:13:03 <Mort-> I seriously have no characters!
11:13:09 <Mort-> You got to be kidding!
11:13:27 <Mort-> Look. I could do a 2d6 shocking grasp
11:13:29 <Steven> not my fault you keep picking character classes that bend rules
11:13:38 <Mort-> That's impressive like hell
11:13:48 <EricMcG> Use a Pregen Rogue. their fun ;)
11:13:52 <Mort-> I'm sure the monster would be impressed
11:14:12 <Mort-> Point is i don't have any characters id like to level
11:14:16 <Steven> yes.... you use shocking grasp for 2d6+weapon damage+str damage... it is impressive
11:14:20 <Mort-> My magus is too little
11:14:26 <Mort-> I have +3 str
11:14:37 <Mort-> And i don't load shocking grasp
11:14:39 <Steven> so already you are at 2d6+3
11:14:40 <Mort-> Surprisingly
11:14:46 <Mort-> Its all colour spray!
11:14:54 <Steven> i assume scimitar... so 3d6+3
11:15:04 <Mort-> Uh huh
11:15:09 <Mort-> +5 actually
11:15:13 <Mort-> Nah
11:15:16 <Mort-> +4
11:15:24 <Mort-> Arcane pool enchant
11:15:25 <Steven> yeah... 3d6+4 with a one handed weapon
11:15:32 <Mort-> Once
11:15:35 <Mort-> Per day!
11:15:52 <Mort-> And i don't really use shocking grasp!
11:15:53 <Steven> magus=dumb
11:16:05 <Mort-> I don't mem that spell yet!
11:16:18 <Mort-> You misunderstand me :(
11:16:31 * Mort- goes somewhere to mop
11:16:34 <Steven> okay ill let you play your magus or your synth with the understanding that monsters will target you as soon as you pull shenaniganz
11:16:43 <EricMcG> How do you feel about Zen Archer?
11:16:53 <Mort-> I won't shenigan
11:17:16 <Mort-> Seriously as a magus i don't think ill use shocking grasp much
11:17:26 <Steven> mort... you're playing a magus or a synth... you are going to do shenaniganz
11:17:32 <Mort-> Prefer to do this at lower levels
11:17:56 <EricMcG> What level is your Synthesist?
11:18:02 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 slash to hit
11:18:02 <diebot> Mort-, slash to hit: [1d20=6] 9
11:18:36 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+10 concentration to beat dc 15
11:18:36 <diebot> Mort-, concentration to beat dc 15: [1d20=6] 16
11:18:54 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 slash to hit again
11:18:55 <diebot> Mort-, slash to hit again: [1d20=16] 19
11:19:08 <Mort-> !throw 1d6+4 damage
11:19:09 <diebot> Mort-, damage: [1d6=2] 6
11:19:29 <Mort-> Target makes a fort save of 14 or take 1 point extra brand damage
11:19:31 <Mort-> Yeah
11:19:34 <Mort-> That's easier
11:19:41 <Mort-> My syn is 3
11:19:47 <Mort-> Magus 2
11:20:03 <Mort-> Syns attack roll would be like
11:20:26 <Hydrazine> ya got nothing on Supermonk's damage rolls.
11:20:38 <Hydrazine> Too bad his accuracy sucks.
11:20:42 <Mort-> !throw 3#1d20+3
11:20:43 <diebot> Mort-, 3#1d20+3: [1d20=7] 10, [1d20=5] 8, [1d20=10] 13
11:21:02 <Mort-> I think it was +4 though
11:21:07 <Mort-> And so does mine
11:21:15 <Mort-> So who was playing at this point of time
11:21:24 <Mort-> I mean i feel totally misunderstood
11:21:37 <Mort-> Gosh I'm just getting banned because of my class
11:21:40 * Mort- cries
11:21:57 <Mort-> Hydra! Did you see me abuse shocking grasp?
11:22:12 <Mort-> I used it only once in my last career!
11:22:14 <Brunius> Don't worry Mort- - if I ever DM again (read as: in 2-3 years) I won't ban you purely because of class
11:22:34 <Mort-> Lol
11:22:46 * Mort- weasels around!
11:22:49 <Steven> mort...
11:22:53 <Mort-> What?
11:23:06 <Steven> im totaly fine with you playing your magus or synth as long as you understand the conditions
11:23:23 <Mort-> My magus won't use sg i think
11:23:25 <Mort-> Till 3
11:23:27 <Steven> first time a monster sees you do something overpowered they are going to target you.
11:23:35 <Mort-> So no shenigans?
11:23:43 <Steven> no you can shenigans
11:23:43 <Mort-> Xyn might actually like it :p
11:23:58 <Mort-> Is that a shenigan?
11:24:04 <Mort-> The double attack thing?
11:24:19 * Mort- ponders
11:24:20 <Steven> as long as you understand npcs will target you to kill the scary person doing crazy shit.
11:24:45 <Mort-> Ok. Scary does describe xyn
11:24:52 <Brunius> NPCs should always target the person doing impressive stuff OR what their tactics tell them to do
11:24:53 <Mort-> Kalara uh not so much
11:24:55 <Brunius> Sometimes the two overlap
11:25:15 * Mort- does not think double attacking is impressive
11:25:28 <Mort-> Did i tell you about yesterday a monster hit me? :(
11:25:33 <Mort-> I yelped :(
11:25:44 <Steven> when everyone else in the party is doing one attack a round
11:25:49 <Mort-> I'm a scaredmur and i don't like monsters
11:25:50 <Steven> if you pumping out two
11:25:54 <Mort-> Lol
11:26:10 <Mort-> I need to pass concentration check first
11:26:15 <Mort-> May not make it heh
11:26:16 <Steven> NPCs will go hmmm.... kill the one attacking more often
11:26:20 <Mort-> But odds are pretty good
11:26:31 <Mort-> Why don't you look at overall damage output
11:26:38 <Mort-> I don't hit hard per se
11:26:50 <Steven> its not about damage output
11:27:16 <Steven> NPCs aren't going to make heal checks every round to see how damaged their friends are from hits
11:27:27 <Mort-> A guy using a 2 handed sword swing would do more then i would even on double attacks
11:27:47 <Steven> they are going to go, OK barb hits hard and hits once every round
11:27:58 <Mort-> So i use my scimitar and do a 2 handed chop I'm fine?
11:28:00 <Steven> that thing over there hit twice and scared that person so bad they ran away...
11:28:08 <Steven> in the case of your synth
11:28:15 <Steven> well, lets kill that thing so it will stop scaring our friends
11:28:18 <Steven> and then kill the barb
11:28:22 <Steven> and then anyone else in the party
11:28:53 <EricMcG> what? I don't know this person...
11:29:11 <EricMcG> it scares me as much as it does you...
11:29:19 <Steven> alright im goin to see sam at work, peace out
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11:29:53 <EricMcG> Oh well
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11:30:29 <Mort-> Yeah haha
11:30:37 <Mort-> That's fine xyn is meant to take it
11:30:42 <Mort-> Sort of
11:33:20 * Mort- feels like a misunderstood mur though !
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15:41:06 <Brunius> The stupidity of some people astounds me.
15:41:18 <Brunius> And sadly, I think this guy is actually stupid, not just trolling.
15:47:30 <Hydrazine> Happens.
15:47:59 <Hydrazine> I knew a full grown adult before who had absolutely no idea of the concept of evaporation.
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15:57:21 <Mekkis> Nightmare is 1 scenario off level 2
15:57:29 <Mekkis> after about a year
16:15:14 <Avatar> what's evaporation?
16:18:41 <Avatar> Uptime: 3wks 1day 20hrs 37mins 18secs
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17:02:54 <Mort-> Hello
17:03:00 <Avatar> yo
17:03:15 <Mort-> I'm back from family lunch
17:03:28 * Mort- is a roundmur
17:05:07 <Mort-> I should start planning kalara's feat progression
17:09:28 <Mort-> Avatar - how do you use the hair hex thing
17:11:04 <Avatar> what do you mean how do you use it
17:11:07 <Avatar> you just use it
17:12:11 <Mort-> Do you need a standard action to activate it?
17:12:18 <Mort-> also flying with the fly hex
17:12:53 <Mort-> Is it the moment you get into combat you need to activate it using a standard action?
17:22:52 * Mort- ponders
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17:41:31 <tashphones> Ughhh my head!
17:42:03 <tashphones> Mekkis, they got me really drunk
17:43:41 <Mekkis> how rude
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17:56:56 * Mort- hugs tashes
17:57:03 <Mort-> don't let them do it again!
18:00:39 <Mekkis> don't let other people get you pissed
18:00:46 <Mekkis> get pissed on your own terms
18:02:15 <Avatar> she did get pissed on her own terms
18:02:20 <Avatar> she is just trying to pass blame !
18:03:18 <Mekkis> give her the benefit of the doubt
18:05:49 <Avatar> that someone was forcefed her those drinks
18:05:52 <Avatar> I think not
18:07:40 <Mort-> Watch what you drink
18:07:50 <Mort-> One day i should show up here drunk
18:08:02 <Mort-> But i haven't gotten totally wasted before.
18:08:09 <Mort-> A little tipsy yes.
18:08:12 <Mort-> Wasted no
18:08:28 <tashphones> Well really, they forced me to serve food at the party. And it was hot. And they kept putting champagne in my hand. So... They got me drank.
18:08:49 <Mort-> You shouldn't have drunk so much
18:08:55 <Mort-> Or at least taken water
18:09:07 <Mort-> Then get home drink 2 l of water
18:09:19 <Mort-> Stay awake for half h before you pass out
18:09:29 <Mort-> Its how to avoid hangovers
18:10:24 <Mekkis> yuck
18:10:32 <Mort-> And guys. Id like to lodge a complaint :p
18:10:40 <Mekkis> with whom?
18:10:44 <tashphones> I didn't even realise how much id drunk. I east feeling it.
18:10:51 <Mort-> Anyone who would listen
18:10:53 <tashphones> Wasnt
18:11:07 <tashphones> Yes?
18:11:14 <Mort-> Steven accused me of shienagans :p
18:11:30 <Mort-> If i were to appear as a syn or a magus :p
18:11:33 <Mort-> Sigh
18:11:38 <tashphones> Well. Were there shennanigans?
18:11:41 * Mort- is grossly misunderstood
18:11:46 <Mort-> No!
18:12:02 <tashphones> :p
18:12:04 * Mort- is just an innocent fun loving mur!
18:12:31 * tashphones pets mort
18:12:33 <Mort-> I didn't even play them with him gming yet :p
18:12:57 <Mort-> he threatened to target me specifically if i did shienigans
18:13:03 * Mort- is sad
18:14:15 <Mort-> He says because I'm appearing as a magus or a syn - i will be up to shienigans
18:14:24 <Mort-> Just based on my class alone :(
18:14:36 <Mort-> I protest class bias!
18:14:51 * Mort- lodges a complaint and starts wailing
18:19:57 <Mekkis> depends what you mean by shenanigans
18:21:22 <Mort-> Nothing :)
18:21:28 <Mort-> Its really nothing
18:21:55 <Mort-> My flurry does less damage then a two handed fighter on hit
18:22:09 <Mort-> Now that's no reason to target me is it?
18:27:08 <Mekkis> there are better reasons!
18:27:54 <Mort-> Like?
18:28:07 * Mort- looks innocent
18:28:31 <Mekkis> being annoying
18:28:35 <Mekkis> not buying the DM pizza
18:32:35 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 2nd 11am (MincedSushi, first steps) / Sun 3rd 11am (Steven, tier 2-4 MODULE) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
18:32:35 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat Jun 2 00:00:24 2012
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18:33:25 <Mekkis> or buying the DM scenarios!
18:44:37 <Mort-> Oh that
18:44:40 <Mort-> Thats true
18:44:47 <Mort-> I probably owe you guys some
18:44:55 * Mort- blushes
18:45:25 <Mekkis> Avatar, do you have any tips for running QFP2?
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18:53:40 <Mort-> Have tons of fun
18:53:57 <Mort-> Id have tried to intimidate the guys off my boat as xyn
18:54:05 <Mort-> And the hardness rules
18:54:18 <Mort-> Do you think that would be possible?
18:54:23 <Mort-> Give them a good scare
18:56:21 <Mekkis> ah
18:56:31 <Mekkis> it's the one where hehe
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19:20:41 <Mort-> We had a fishing spider
19:20:47 <Mort-> Poor magus :(
19:21:50 <Mekkis> oh
19:22:05 <Mekkis> and let me express how much I dislike double chain kamas
19:22:16 <Mekkis> since Spaceshot isn't here to make one
19:22:18 <Mort-> What are those
19:22:31 <Mekkis> they're like Spiked Chains in 3.5
19:22:35 * Mort- is puzzled
19:22:43 <Mort-> Don't understand
19:22:48 <Mort-> 10 ft reach?
19:22:58 <Mort-> Not on d20 srd
19:23:08 <Mekkis> Kama, double-chained 8 gp 1d4/1d4 1d6/1d6 ×2 — 4 lbs. S double, monk,
19:23:08 <Mekkis> reach, trip
19:23:24 <Mort-> I wonder if you can intimidate people out of your way
19:23:40 <Mort-> Like say. Get out now if you want to live
19:23:49 <Mort-> Cool
19:23:53 <Mort-> He has twf?
19:24:29 <Mort-> Its like so naruto
19:24:40 <Mekkis> no
19:24:49 <Mekkis> manoeuvre master monk
19:25:15 <Mort-> Then he should get -4 for using a double weapon
19:25:17 <Mort-> Without twf
19:27:03 <Mekkis> I don't know how it works
19:28:58 <Mort-> -4/-8
19:29:23 <Mort-> If he is hitting with two sides of his weapon
19:29:58 <Mort-> d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/two-weapon-fighting-combat---final
19:30:21 <Mort-> My ranger has +5 to hit normally in a full round attack
19:30:32 <Mekkis> he isn't
19:30:40 <Mekkis> he's tripping flurrying with the trip
19:30:43 <Mekkis> and other BS like that
19:30:49 <Mort-> If i should decide to do it darth maul ill it at 1d20+3 two times
19:31:17 <Mort-> So he is using only one side and so twf come into question?
19:31:33 <Mekkis> no idea what the hell he's doing
19:33:30 <Mort-> Find out?
19:33:35 <Mort-> i don't understand monks
19:34:40 <Mort-> Well i understand grappling ones since hydra keeps practicing it on me
20:05:32 <Mekkis> ah
20:05:48 <Mekkis> my crappy web programming skills have yielded results!
20:05:49 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/dumptext.php
20:11:48 <Avatar> looks like there's some good data there
20:16:11 <Mekkis> that's good
20:18:58 <Mekkis> and some test data I was playing around with
20:19:49 <Mekkis> time to apply for a job
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21:02:59 <Mort-> Good luck
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21:12:30 <Steven> because i hate syns
21:12:32 <Mort-> Lol why?
21:12:35 <Mort-> Ok fine
21:12:40 <Mort-> Magus it is!
21:12:47 <Steven> nope no magus
21:12:49 <Mort-> She made 2 yesterday!
21:12:52 <Mort-> What ?
21:12:57 <Steven> because i hate magus too
21:13:03 <Mort-> I seriously have no characters!
21:13:09 <Mort-> You got to be kidding!
21:13:27 <Mort-> Look. I could do a 2d6 shocking grasp
21:13:29 <Steven> not my fault you keep picking character classes that bend rules
21:13:37 <Mort-> That's impressive like hell
21:13:48 <EricMcG> Use a Pregen Rogue. their fun ;)
21:13:52 <Mort-> I'm sure the monster would be impressed
21:14:11 <Mort-> Point is i don't have any characters id like to level
21:14:15 <Steven> yes.... you use shocking grasp for 2d6+weapon damage+str damage... it is impressive
21:14:19 <Mort-> My magus is too little
21:14:26 <Mort-> I have +3 str
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21:14:36 <Mort-> And i don't load shocking grasp
21:14:39 <Steven> so already you are at 2d6+3
21:14:40 <Mort-> Surprisingly
21:14:46 <Mort-> Its all colour spray!
21:14:53 <Steven> i assume scimitar... so 3d6+3
21:15:03 <Mort-> Uh huh
21:15:08 <Mort-> +5 actually
21:15:13 <Mort-> Nah
21:15:16 <Mort-> +4
21:15:24 <Mort-> Arcane pool enchant
21:15:25 <Steven> yeah... 3d6+4 with a one handed weapon
21:15:31 <Mort-> Once
21:15:34 <Mort-> Per day!
21:15:51 <Mort-> And i don't really use shocking grasp!
21:15:52 <Steven> magus=dumb
21:16:04 <Mort-> I don't mem that spell yet!
21:16:18 <Mort-> You misunderstand me :(
21:16:30 * Mort- goes somewhere to mop
21:16:33 <Steven> okay ill let you play your magus or your synth with the understanding that monsters will target you as soon as you pull shenaniganz
21:16:43 <EricMcG> How do you feel about Zen Archer?
21:16:52 <Mort-> I won't shenigan
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21:17:15 <Mort-> Seriously as a magus i don't think ill use shocking grasp much
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21:17:25 <Steven> mort... you're playing a magus or a synth... you are going to do shenaniganz
21:17:31 <Mort-> Prefer to do this at lower levels
21:17:55 <EricMcG> What level is your Synthesist?
21:18:01 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 slash to hit
21:18:01 <diebot> Mort-, slash to hit: [1d20=6] 9
21:18:36 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+10 concentration to beat dc 15
21:18:36 <diebot> Mort-, concentration to beat dc 15: [1d20=6] 16
21:18:54 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 slash to hit again
21:18:54 <diebot> Mort-, slash to hit again: [1d20=16] 19
21:19:08 <Mort-> !throw 1d6+4 damage
21:19:08 <diebot> Mort-, damage: [1d6=2] 6
21:19:29 <Mort-> Target makes a fort save of 14 or take 1 point extra brand damage
21:19:30 <Mort-> Yeah
21:19:33 <Mort-> That's easier
21:19:41 <Mort-> My syn is 3
21:19:47 <Mort-> Magus 2
21:20:03 <Mort-> Syns attack roll would be like
21:20:26 <Hydrazine> ya got nothing on Supermonk's damage rolls.
21:20:37 <Hydrazine> Too bad his accuracy sucks.
21:20:42 <Mort-> !throw 3#1d20+3
21:20:42 <diebot> Mort-, 3#1d20+3: [1d20=7] 10, [1d20=5] 8, [1d20=10] 13
21:21:02 <Mort-> I think it was +4 though
21:21:06 <Mort-> And so does mine
21:21:15 <Mort-> So who was playing at this point of time
21:21:24 <Mort-> I mean i feel totally misunderstood
21:21:36 <Mort-> Gosh I'm just getting banned because of my class
21:21:40 * Mort- cries
21:21:57 <Mort-> Hydra! Did you see me abuse shocking grasp?
21:22:11 <Mort-> I used it only once in my last career!
21:22:14 <Brunius> Don't worry Mort- - if I ever DM again (read as: in 2-3 years) I won't ban you purely because of class
21:22:34 <Mort-> Lol
21:22:46 * Mort- weasels around!
21:22:49 <Steven> mort...
21:22:53 <Mort-> What?
21:23:06 <Steven> im totaly fine with you playing your magus or synth as long as you understand the conditions
21:23:23 <Mort-> My magus won't use sg i think
21:23:24 <Mort-> Till 3
21:23:27 <Steven> first time a monster sees you do something overpowered they are going to target you.
21:23:35 <Mort-> So no shenigans?
21:23:42 <Steven> no you can shenigans
21:23:43 <Mort-> Xyn might actually like it :p
21:23:58 <Mort-> Is that a shenigan?
21:24:03 <Mort-> The double attack thing?
21:24:18 * Mort- ponders
21:24:20 <Steven> as long as you understand npcs will target you to kill the scary person doing crazy shit.
21:24:44 <Mort-> Ok. Scary does describe xyn
21:24:51 <Brunius> NPCs should always target the person doing impressive stuff OR what their tactics tell them to do
21:24:53 <Mort-> Kalara uh not so much
21:24:55 <Brunius> Sometimes the two overlap
21:25:15 * Mort- does not think double attacking is impressive
21:25:27 <Mort-> Did i tell you about yesterday a monster hit me? :(
21:25:32 <Mort-> I yelped :(
21:25:44 <Steven> when everyone else in the party is doing one attack a round
21:25:49 <Mort-> I'm a scaredmur and i don't like monsters
21:25:49 <Steven> if you pumping out two
21:25:53 <Mort-> Lol
21:26:09 <Mort-> I need to pass concentration check first
21:26:14 <Mort-> May not make it heh
21:26:15 <Steven> NPCs will go hmmm.... kill the one attacking more often
21:26:20 <Mort-> But odds are pretty good
21:26:31 <Mort-> Why don't you look at overall damage output
21:26:38 <Mort-> I don't hit hard per se
21:26:50 <Steven> its not about damage output
21:27:15 <Steven> NPCs aren't going to make heal checks every round to see how damaged their friends are from hits
21:27:26 <Mort-> A guy using a 2 handed sword swing would do more then i would even on double attacks
21:27:47 <Steven> they are going to go, OK barb hits hard and hits once every round
21:27:58 <Mort-> So i use my scimitar and do a 2 handed chop I'm fine?
21:27:59 <Steven> that thing over there hit twice and scared that person so bad they ran away...
21:28:07 <Steven> in the case of your synth
21:28:15 <Steven> well, lets kill that thing so it will stop scaring our friends
21:28:17 <Steven> and then kill the barb
21:28:22 <Steven> and then anyone else in the party
21:28:53 <EricMcG> what? I don't know this person...
21:29:10 <EricMcG> it scares me as much as it does you...
21:29:19 <Steven> alright im goin to see sam at work, peace out
21:29:53 <EricMcG> Oh well
21:30:29 <Mort-> Yeah haha
21:30:37 <Mort-> That's fine xyn is meant to take it
21:30:41 <Mort-> Sort of
21:33:19 * Mort- feels like a misunderstood mur though !
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21:33:45 <Steven> what up yo
21:36:25 <Mekkis> you were complaining about Magi and synthesists?
21:37:30 <Mekkis> Avatar, if I ran The Rats of Round Mountain, would you play?
21:37:49 <Steven> oh yeah i hate those classes
21:38:24 <Mekkis> I prefer them to rogues
21:38:43 <Steven> i prefer rogues... poor will saves
21:38:55 <Mekkis> why?
21:39:23 <Mekkis> when I'm DMing, and someone plays a rogue, it's a tough decision
21:39:41 <Avatar> what's special about rats of round mountain
21:39:56 <Mekkis> it's a 7-11 in season 3 that noone here has played
21:40:41 <Mekkis> do I kill off the rogue so the player can roll a new character that is useful and survivable, or do I go easy on the rogue so the player gets the mistaken impression that his character is useful and survivable?
21:43:45 <Steven> do whatever the scenario says
21:43:56 <Steven> and ive played a rogue
21:44:16 <Mekkis> mmm?
21:44:22 <Steven> as long as people dont think they are a fighter
21:44:24 <Steven> they are fine
21:44:35 <Mekkis> what IS a rogue?
21:44:53 <Steven> first couple of levels, bow that shit up and sneak attack them ranged
21:45:07 <Mekkis> how does that work?
21:45:23 <Steven> if withing 30 feet and stealthed, you get to add your sneak attack damage
21:45:45 <Mekkis> it's the "stealthed"[sic]??? bit that doesn't work
21:46:20 <Steven> yeah, you rock stealth for the first hit
21:46:24 <Mekkis> ?
21:46:26 <Mekkis> rock?
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21:46:37 <Steven> you not good with american slang
21:46:45 <Mekkis> no, I'm not
21:47:00 <Mekkis> I've never seen "rock" used in that context before
21:47:22 <Steven> you try to be stealthy, get first hit off
21:47:27 <Mekkis> ok
21:47:35 <Mekkis> so you've achieved one ranged sneak attack
21:47:38 <Steven> for extra damage, and then just range it for the first couple of levels
21:47:45 <Mekkis> (this also works by just winning initiative)
21:48:04 <Mekkis> but still, I don't see how you can get ranged sneak attack in subsequent rounds
21:48:16 <Steven> yeah
21:48:44 <Steven> but rogues are a lot like monks
21:49:01 <Mekkis> explain
21:49:07 <Steven> first couple of levels they are death traps
21:50:07 <Mekkis> and then?
21:50:20 <Steven> they get some survivability
21:50:39 <Mekkis> perhaps... but are they useful?
21:50:46 <Steven> skill monkies
21:51:05 <Mekkis> it's debatable whether that's a use
21:51:47 <Steven> gettin rid of traps
21:51:57 <Mekkis> ah
21:52:14 <Mekkis> the problem with traps, is that they don't need to be gotten rid of
21:52:33 <Steven> Seriously though, they arent a bad class... so long as you take an archtype
21:53:11 <Steven> my personally favorite archetype is the Sniper
21:53:28 <Steven> 3rd level you get to make sneak attack at 40ft
21:53:54 <Mekkis> what do they do in combat?
21:53:54 <Steven> and at 6th its 50
21:54:06 <Mekkis> their damage output is generally subpar, even with sneak attack
21:54:19 <Mekkis> they don't have the kind of BS that casters can pull
21:54:45 <Mekkis> ask Brunius for his opinions on them
21:54:58 <Steven> I look at em as about the same level of dps output as gunslingers
21:55:16 <Mekkis> how do you figure that?
21:55:51 <Steven> They do about the same amount of damage
21:56:19 <Mekkis> the gunslinger hits a lot more
21:56:57 <Steven> yesh, they hit more often but usually for pretty meh damage
21:57:27 <Steven> rogues have that whole spike dps
21:58:52 <Steven> im always surprised when people take feats as a rogue that dont up their survivability and they just try to do more damage
21:59:08 <Steven> you can make a rogue annoyingly hard to kill
21:59:18 <Mekkis> but even with sneak attack, a rogue's damage pales in comparison to a fighter
21:59:29 <Steven> so does a gunslinger
21:59:34 <Mekkis> tell that to Buck
21:59:41 <Steven> and a fighters damage is behind a barbs
22:00:29 <Steven> if all you rank characters on is damage output, theres no need to ever have anything other then barbs
22:00:48 <Mekkis> that's not what I'm ranking them on
22:01:04 <Mekkis> a character needs three things
22:01:10 <Mekkis> - a method to get to the action
22:01:23 <Mekkis> - a method to participate in the action; and
22:01:29 <Mekkis> - a method to survive the action
22:01:36 <Mekkis> I'm trying to work out the second bit
22:01:58 <Mekkis> a gunslinger will participate by shooting the enemies and doing meaningful damage
22:02:00 <Steven> perhaps i just build my rogue characters different then you see down at where ever you play other then here
22:02:17 <Mekkis> perhaps. That's why I'm asking
22:02:31 <Mekkis> because I want to know what a rogue can expect to do during combat
22:02:32 <Steven> rogues are utility characters that can occationally damage
22:03:26 <Steven> a lot like clerics really
22:03:31 <Mekkis> so what can a rogue expect to do during combat
22:03:42 <Mekkis> a cleric can do stuff like channel and cast bless and stuff
22:03:44 <Steven> I always build my rogues around UMD, feint, and face skills
22:04:00 <Avatar> Mekkis: pass on rats
22:06:06 <Steven> but seriously, rogues can do things, its just people always think okay i need to do sneak attack damage, so i have to get in flank... they get their one shot in for good damage and then stand around the rest of the time
22:06:21 <Steven> and do craptastic things
22:06:48 <Mekkis> I know how flanking works
22:07:17 <Steven> when after they get their one shot off, they need to start feinting, dirty tricking, or picking get on casters
22:09:23 <Steven> Ill build a rogue for you to play with mekkis
22:11:45 <Steven> In the home brew tonight, my character has like +13 Bluff at first level, walked up to Kobold Slavers and convinced them he had slaves to sell
22:12:07 <Steven> which were kobolds i had captured earlier in the day
22:12:34 <Mekkis> heh
22:13:31 <Steven> My friend josh's character an evil female gunslinger
22:13:38 <Steven> and myself
22:14:12 <Steven> escorted the mayor of some town through the forest cause he wanted to go to some family cabin
22:14:23 <Steven> and we were waylayed by bandits, which we killed quite easily
22:14:47 <Steven> and then in the basement of the cabin there was a wine cellar w/ some casks of wine in it
22:14:54 <Steven> 200+ years old and valuable
22:15:03 <Steven> and i tried talking the mayor out of some of it
22:15:21 <Steven> he told us no, and the gunslinger threated to break some barrels if he didnt share
22:15:26 <Steven> so the mayor attacked her
22:15:38 <Steven> with a poisoned blade
22:15:51 <Steven> so i killed the mayor, and then convinced everyone he was killed by bandits
22:16:00 <Steven> it was terrible
22:16:10 <Steven> so now the town we are going to spend the next several weeks in
22:16:12 <Steven> has no mayor
22:16:26 <Steven> and we unloaded like 12 casks of wine we 'found'
22:18:48 <Steven> the rest of the party asked for their 'cut' and we told em to get fucked cause they were of killing goblins
22:22:56 <Mekkis> ah
22:25:40 <Steven> all in all, very successful campaign
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22:26:13 <Steven> next time we find out if i hit with my dumping of burning hot pitch all over some baddies
22:26:28 <Mort> hello
22:26:31 * Mort feels misunderstood
22:27:15 * Mort wags her tail though
22:28:18 <Steven> you should...
22:28:56 <Steven> Mort i had a great night... how bout you
22:29:01 <Mort> It isnt night yet
22:29:04 <Mort> acutally its night
22:29:09 <Mort> and Im going to go to bed in maybe 1h 30 min
22:29:11 <Mort> or so.
22:29:28 <Steven> midnight bedtime... seems legit
22:30:03 <Mort> no
22:30:07 <Mort> its 10 pm bedtime
22:30:08 <Mort> :D
22:30:12 <Mort> Im the sleep early wake up early sort
22:30:14 * Mort is NOT an owl
22:30:18 * Mort is a Lark!
22:30:19 <Steven> oh yeah you are in... where ever
22:30:39 <Steven> well really you're not a lark either
22:30:54 <Steven> nor are you a lemur
22:30:58 <Mekkis> a bat maybe
22:31:07 <Steven> i dunno
22:31:21 <Steven> i was thinking more along the lines of smething creepy and lazy
22:31:24 <Steven> like a sloth
22:31:29 * Mort growls at steven
22:31:40 <Mort> urm mekkis why do you think Im a bat?
22:31:51 <Mort> do I uh..have any batty traits?
22:31:53 <Mekkis> you're blind by daylight
22:31:54 * Mort bites Steven
22:31:58 <Mekkis> you bite
22:31:59 <Mort> blind by daylight?
22:32:02 <Mort> what do you mean
22:32:05 <Mort> lots of things bite.
22:32:12 <Mekkis> and your shit probably infects horses
22:32:14 <Mort> who told you I cant see by daylight
22:32:18 * Mort growls at Mekkis
22:32:19 <Mekkis> you did
22:32:22 * Mort bites Mekkis
22:32:24 <Mort> huh?
22:32:24 <Mort> no?
22:32:28 <Mort> Im fine in daylight
22:33:12 * Steven feels no pain from Morts bite.
22:33:19 * Mekkis has DR
22:33:36 <Steven> DR HIGH FIVE!
22:33:41 * Steven high fives Mekkis
22:33:44 * Mort sighs
22:33:47 * Mort mopes in a corner
22:33:56 <Steven> dont be hatin mort
22:34:00 <Mekkis> Mort, I should run Asmodeus mirage for you
22:34:49 <Mort> is it a retired scenario?
22:34:52 <Mekkis> yes
22:34:52 * Mort tail twiddles
22:34:54 <Mort> Lol
22:34:59 <Mort> then I risk getting killed without any gain
22:35:03 <Mort> I mean I like stories but...
22:35:05 <Mort> :P
22:35:12 <Mekkis> well, no
22:35:16 <Mort> really?
22:35:20 <Mort> okay then lets pop in and have a look?
22:35:20 <Mekkis> because if you die, your death won't be reported
22:35:25 <Mort> ah k
22:35:28 <Mort> lets go then
22:35:31 <Mort> anything for a good tail!
22:35:35 <Mekkis> not tonight
22:35:36 * Mort bounces up and down
22:35:37 <Mort> k
22:35:40 <Mekkis> because I have work tomorrow
22:35:40 <Mort> alone?
22:35:41 <Mort> lolz
22:35:42 <Mort> kk
22:35:44 <Mekkis> perhaps Tuesday
22:35:51 <Mort> lol not on tuesday
22:35:53 <Mort> I have an appointment..
22:36:01 <Mort> and Im going to find my skill monkey barb friend..
22:36:13 <Mort> and we are going to find the 2 legged monster that has been stealing children from the town!
22:36:17 <Mort> (hopefully)
22:36:32 <Mekkis> oh
22:36:50 <Steven> ugh i hate that
22:36:53 <Mort> why?
22:36:54 <Mekkis> Xanian still hasn't found the person responsible for killing the unicorn
22:36:56 <Steven> sneezed so hard my chest hurt
22:37:07 * Steven whistles innocently
22:37:18 <Mort> make them pay
22:37:20 * Mort growls
22:37:23 * Mort eyes glow blood red
22:37:24 <Mort> lol
22:37:40 <Mort> consider..speak to the dead.
22:37:45 <Mort> Unicorn! Who killed you!
22:37:46 <Mort> lolz
22:38:40 <Mort> but its gonna be weird doing it solo
22:39:26 <Mekkis> we don't have a cleric
22:39:43 <Mort> Urm...
22:39:48 <Mort> synthesists are also known to be masters of UMD
22:39:52 <Mort> so..
22:39:57 <Mort> since you're a Syn/pally...
22:40:00 <Mekkis> Xanian isn't
22:40:04 <Mort> Oh dear
22:40:06 <Mort> xyn is :p
22:40:13 <Mort> well secondary skill besides being a good diplomat..
22:40:17 <Mort> (basic UMD)
22:40:30 <Mort> prolly can use the CLW wand..
22:40:37 <Mekkis> one advantage of playing in a group is that you know who your party members are going to be
22:40:43 <Mort> yeah its nice
22:40:46 <Mort> Im no taking point this time
22:40:52 <Mort> I just found out that barb has 18 ac while Im stuck with 16
22:40:57 <Mort> he can take point :D
22:41:00 <Mekkis> another advantage of this is that you can take a certain feat at level 7 :)
22:41:07 <Mort> what is it?
22:41:15 <Mekkis> leadership
22:41:19 <Mort> youre the person who gets the advantage of butterfly sting..
22:41:20 <Mort> ah k
22:41:26 <Mort> I thought someone was going to do butterfly sting
22:41:33 <Mort> I cant imagine my cohort
22:41:38 <Mort> anway I think my game is pretty low level low magic
22:41:47 <Mort> so I sould be glad none of my abilites are magic dependent so to speak
22:43:17 <Mekkis> if you're playing low magic, why are you playing Pathfinder?
22:44:05 <Mort> Hmm
22:44:15 <Mort> no matter. I decided to leave my brains at hte door
22:44:18 <Mort> we just had spiders chase us
22:44:19 <Mort> thats all.
22:44:49 <Mekkis> (if it's a low-magic setting, play a druid)
22:45:03 <Mort> nah Im melee
22:45:08 <Mekkis> play a melee druid
22:45:15 <Mort> I already created
22:45:24 <Mekkis> like our good friend Grolschmir!
22:45:25 <Mort> but anwyay yeah I told you about divine casting right?
22:45:29 <Mort> im not pissing off my god..
22:45:39 <Mort> I told you I have issues with divine casting
22:45:42 <Mekkis> just don't be an idiot
22:45:50 <Mekkis> and you won't piss off your god
22:46:00 <Mort> I dont want a god to decide what I do than kyou very much
22:46:05 <Mort> for that same reason I wont use intelligent weapons eitehr
22:46:11 <Mort> or something with a mind of its own
22:46:45 <Mekkis> Mort, you're allergic to roleplaying opportunities!
22:46:50 <Mort> come on
22:46:56 <Mort> I can RP whether Im a divine class or not
22:46:58 <Mort> screw it :D
22:47:31 <Mort> druid = someone put iron manacles on you and youre skewed...lose all your spellcasting abiltiies :D
22:47:32 <Mort> lol
22:47:35 <Mort> wasnt it something like that?
22:47:52 <Mekkis> nope
22:48:26 <Mekkis> it was cleric -> start attacking the largest temple devoted to your deity -> lose all your cleric abilities
22:48:45 <Mort> I mean doodads have their issues too
22:48:54 <Mort> though I must admit claw/bite/bite makes me HAPPY!
22:49:06 * Mort wants to nom nom nom!
22:51:38 <Mekkis> a silver saber named Grayswandir {40}, price 42664 zorkmids, finest quality.--More--
22:52:32 * Mort nibbles Mekkis
22:53:08 * Mekkis counts the number of scales on his right foreclaw
22:53:21 * Mort gulps
22:53:23 <Mort> oh oh.
22:53:27 * Mort runs off!
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