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02:22 <Urist> hey guys this is how my character creation is going http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
02:39 * Hydrazine digs up his gavel.
03:15 <Urist> sorry didnt read above me please continue
04:03 <Hydrazine> No no. This is my rules gavel. Used when inflicting rules. Generally in the player's favor.
04:16 <Urist> ah, cool haha
05:26 <Hydrazine> -6 str? I thought the couldn't get it lower than 7.
06:21 <Hydrazine> Rolled stats?
06:26 <Urist> sorry that should be 8
06:39 <Urist> typo
07:08 <Urist> no i used the pathfinder 20 ability points
07:29 <Urist> +2 for 8 str
08:04 <Hydrazine> dwarves are.. +con and wis, -cha?
08:12 <Urist> yep
08:44 <Urist> +2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, –2 Charisma: Dwarves are
08:45 <Urist> both tough and wise, but also a bit gruff
08:51 <Hydrazine> So the point buy would be..
09:24 <Hydrazine> for 8 14 12 12 16 15
09:24 <Urist> ah i was thinking gnome , i orginally thinking gnome
09:43 <Urist> thanks
10:05 <Hydrazine> Sorry, but yeah, first thing to check is the point buy, and I don't think its coming up clean.
11:39 <Hydrazine> So, you get a favored class bonus every level. This can either be a point of HP or a skill point, or some other misc. stuff you can get in the splat books.
12:05 <Urist> really, it was orignally..<Urist> alright, i understand everything, and im done
12:05 <Urist> <Urist> Str: 8  +X
12:06 <Urist> <Urist> Dex: 14  +X
12:06 <Urist> <Urist> Con: 12  +X
12:06 <Urist> <Urist> Int: 12  +X
12:06 <Urist> <Urist> Wis: 16  +X
12:06 <Urist> <Urist> Cha: 13  +X
12:06 <Urist> <Avatar> ok 8 is -1
12:13 <Hydrazine> No reason not to fill in the blanks for ranged attacks, cmb, and cmd. Especially since it seems like meleeing isn't really your thing.
12:43 <Urist> yeah i was just saying how far im gone , not that im finished
12:52 <Hydrazine> Mkay.
13:02 <Urist> so for not being clear
13:12 <Urist> soz*
13:20 <Hydrazine> Well, the favored class thing is often overlooked by the new players, figured I'd mention it.
13:56 <Urist> ok, so what should i put into it?
14:40 <Hydrazine> HP or more skills. Your choice really, both are pretty important.
14:48 <Mekkis> HP is generally more important
14:57 <Hydrazine> Why stealthy, for first feat?
15:31 <Hydrazine> Not that I'm saying your wrong for it, it just seems kind of odd on a character that otherwise doesn't seem oriented towards much sneaking.
15:49 <Urist> everything else seemed like a weapon, feat so i said i my suprise my enemies
15:59 <Urist> weapon orientated
16:16 <Urist> might*
16:34 <Urist> what would you suggest?
16:46 <Hydrazine> If thats the goal, could to better with skill focus, though there are plenty of non-weapon oriented feats.
17:01 <Hydrazine> Skill focus (Stealth) would get you a +4
18:45 <Urist> yeah that seems alot better, any other mods i have to make?
19:02 <Urist> i know the weapons and armour are wrong
19:11 <Hydrazine> I know.
19:18 <Hydrazine> A druid wouldn't be caught dead in a chainshirt.
19:47 <Hydrazine> Really. If a druid got killed and some bastard came by and put a chain shirt on him, some passing bear would take it off.
19:56 <Mekkis> I'd like to remind you that stealth doesn't work. As a public service announcement
20:29 <Hydrazine> I was trying to be more in the direction of let people make whatever they want with a first character
20:44 <Urist> i put the +4 in perception
20:53 <Urist> seemed better choice
20:58 <Hydrazine> But Mekkis does have a point. Stealth in actual use tends to be rather underwhelming.
21:02 <Urist> like*
21:06 <Hydrazine> What does this druid do in a fight?
21:34 <Urist> im thinking, tranforming into an animal and being the tank
21:36 <Hydrazine> I will tell you that fights happen. Often against your will.
22:29 <Urist> or using the spells from the water domain to confuse/slow the enemy
23:08 <Hydrazine> You don't wild shape until level 4.
23:52 <Urist> ok, so ill sick to spellcasting?
24:21 <Urist> or are tanky druids good?
24:53 <Hydrazine> Water domain's icicle is, for you 7 times a day, which may be enough, but I think a backup plan would also be a good idea.
25:18 <Hydrazine> As far as the domain spells, obscuring mist is likely to be just as punishing to your party as to the attackers.
26:10 <Urist> but that would be if we would need to flee
26:31 <Urist> as in obsurcing mist and everyone runs in the same dircetion
26:33 <Hydrazine> And if we don't, you icicle the bad guys down?
27:05 <Urist> ok, i obviously need a melee weapon
27:37 <Hydrazine> grab a club, but I think sticking with a sling is probably much more effective.
28:11 <Hydrazine> 8 strength means you swing at -2, and -2 on the damage aswell.
28:22 <Hydrazine> And 1d6-2 is.. well.. Rather like a flat 1d4.
28:42 <Hydrazine> Since I think you still do 1 on a negative damage roll.
28:44 <Urist> even worse what isf i roll a 2
28:51 <Urist> yeah
29:07 <Hydrazine> and on 0s.
29:10 <Urist> so sling it is
29:23 <Urist> and that dex mod?
29:29 <Urist> that is*
29:40 <Hydrazine> Yep.
29:51 <Hydrazine> Says so right on the sheet, handily enough.
30:01 <Hydrazine> You use the same template I used for all of mine.
32:56 <Urist> ok and how much does the sling and pellets cost?
33:19 <Hydrazine> Should be in.. What resources are you using for all this?
34:16 <Urist> Guide to Pathfinder
34:16 <Urist> Society Organized Play
34:21 <Urist> and
34:42 <Urist> Pathfinder Roleplaying Game
34:43 <Urist> Core Reference Document
34:43 <Urist> November 6, 2009
34:43 <Urist> By Mike Dusseault
34:43 <Urist> Based on Paizo's PFSRD at http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/
35:48 <Hydrazine> In equipment, theres a table that shows all the data for slings and pellets and so on, including price.
36:01 <Urist> in mikes doc?
36:11 <Hydrazine> In that link you just limped me.
36:16 <Hydrazine> linked
37:10 <Mekkis> Urist, if you're planning on transforming, you'll want a higher strength
37:14 <Hydrazine> Eesh. That strength really hurts you in combat unless you can get a crossbow.
37:26 <Hydrazine> Strength penalties affect slings too.
37:39 <Mekkis> wild shape no longer replaces strength
37:45 <Hydrazine> really?
37:53 <Urist> damn
37:54 <Hydrazine> I didn't know this. But I don't specialize in druid.
38:03 <Mekkis> they did in 3.5
38:11 <Mekkis> but in Pathfinder, it doesn
38:11 <Mekkis> 't
38:31 <Hydrazine> Too much like being a synthesist?
38:49 <Urist> ok so i should use a crossbow instead?
38:58 <Mekkis> you're not proficient
39:25 <Urist> ok ill check what i can do
39:33 <Mekkis> what's your concept?
39:46 <Urist> darts
39:51 <Mekkis> ?
39:58 <Hydrazine> What does this character do?
40:06 <Urist> eh im a support druid til lvl 4
40:13 <Urist> then ill tank
40:15 <Mekkis> describe your character without using class names
40:25 <Mekkis> or abstract concepts
41:09 <Urist> i want to explore dungeons with an animal companion who help me guide my way without falling into traps
41:26 <Hydrazine> But you took a water domain instead of an animal companion?
41:41 <Urist> you only have a choice?
41:49 <Urist> ok then ill fix that
41:53 <Urist> thanks
42:26 <Mekkis> so, in a combat situation, what will your character do?
44:39 <Urist> be at the back while the companion attacks, a bit like a hunter in wow
45:00 <Urist> im thinking of a boar
45:27 <Mekkis> a quick reminder that "tanking" in an MMO doesn't generally work in Pathfinder
45:51 <Hydrazine> Yeah, its a choice between a domain like a cleric and an animal companion. I think animals are far more popular.
46:24 <Mekkis> personally I prefer the animal
47:00 <Urist> so would i, if i wanted a cleric domain id be a cleric haha
47:13 <Urist> thanks for clearing that up
47:42 <Hydrazine> I'm learning more and more than getting your enemies to focus on you is very difficult in pathfinder.
47:43 <Urist> so what do i do for this boar? his stats?
47:48 <Mekkis> that being said, there is one druid in my offline group who's playing a druid with the earth domain
48:04 <Mekkis> get his stats
48:09 <Mekkis> consider getting him armour
48:15 <Mekkis> give him a name and personality
48:24 <Urist> Starting Statistics: Size Small; Speed 40 ft.; AC +6 natural
48:24 <Urist> armor; Attack gore (1d6); Ability Scores Str 13, Dex 12,
48:24 <Urist> Con 15, Int 2, Wis 13, Cha 4; Special Qualities low-light
48:24 <Urist> vision, scent.
48:24 <Urist> 4th-Level Advancement: Size Medium; Attack gore (1d8);
48:24 <Urist> Ability Scores Str +4, Dex –2, Con +2; Special Attacks
48:24 <Urist> ferocity.
48:45 <Hydrazine> Oh, and you're really going to want to put points in the handle animal skill.
48:50 <Hydrazine> If you plan on having a companion.
49:29 <Urist> he is missing an ear as i found him wounded in the plains near a dwarf cithadel i would prefer to levae
49:42 <Urist> leave*
50:03 <Urist> as in i was immagrating and i found him injured in the wild
50:34 <Urist> emagrating*
51:03 <Urist> ok so ill put points into handle animal
51:47 <Hydrazine> ac 18 boar? Pretty good.
54:22 <Hydrazine> +2 gore attack, 1d6+1. Pretty respectable.
55:40 <Hydrazine> Wow, I think the pig has better saves than Jerus, by far.
58:36 <Urist> how do you calculate its ac?
58:52 <Hydrazine> Same way you calculate anything else's.
58:53 <Hydrazine> So.
59:10 <Hydrazine> 10 base + 6 natural + 1 dex +1 size
59:18 <Urist> thanks
59:19 <Hydrazine> 18 AC pig with no armor.
00:01 <Hydrazine> You could give it light armor proficiency, slap that piggy into some studded leather..
00:13 <Hydrazine> Bam, 21 AC hog.
00:30 <Hydrazine> Laugh your way to the bank.
00:38 <Urist> nice
00:41 <Hydrazine> Shit, now I kinda want to make a druid..
02:47 <Mort-> Fluffy!
02:57 <Hydrazine> Yeah, you're gonna need full stats for the animal companion. Hes gonna need alot of space.
03:09 <Hydrazine> Base stats, speed, saves, HP, AC, attacks..
03:17 <Mort-> Hydra now you know why grull wants a cat?
03:24 <Mort-> And boon companion?
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03:38 <Mort-> Then his cat will be as good as any druid pet
03:43 <Hydrazine> But I think its.. 14 HP right now.
04:23 <Mort-> Animal companions -4.5 x hd + con mod
04:34 <Mort-> They don't get full hp at level 1
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04:43 <Urist> my boar has 14 hp?
04:45 <Mort-> Same rules for eidolons
04:48 <Mort-> It shouldn't
04:52 <Hydrazine> 5 fort, 4 reflex, 1 will.
04:58 <Hydrazine> 13. Close.
05:05 <Mort-> How?
05:07 <Mort-> Hydra
05:15 <Hydrazine> 4.5x2 + 2 conx2.
05:20 <Mort-> Animal companions do not get full hp at level 1
05:22 <Hydrazine> Starts with two hit die.
05:28 <Mort-> 1?
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06:17 <Hydrazine> Pretty bad ass pig.
06:25 <Urist> thanks 
06:37 <Mort-> Cool
06:41 <Mort-> Nice pig
06:45 <Hydrazine> 13 HP and 21 AC is gonna steamroll the level 1 scenarios..
06:57 <Mort-> Remember that tiger hydra?
07:00 <Urist> cool i cant wait
07:01 <Hydrazine> Jeez.
07:07 <Hydrazine> Don't remind me
07:18 <Mort-> I'm of the opinion animals are more dangerous than humans
07:21 <Mort-> ^^
07:30 <Mort-> I had a bad croc day too
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07:36 <Hydrazine> Pssh.
07:40 <Hydrazine> I only have good croc days.
07:49 <Mort-> I had a bad one
07:54 <Hydrazine> Ain't she a BEAUTY?!
07:56 <Hydrazine> Crieky!
08:02 <Mort-> And my wonderful companions all ran the other way
08:08 <Urist> so do i need a weapon for myself or am i good?
08:12 <Mort-> While i was trying to kill the croc
08:20 <Mort-> Always have a weapon
08:29 <Mort-> Even if its a club ^^
08:38 <Urist> haha ok
09:03 <Hydrazine> Something for yourself is a decent idea.
09:19 <Mort-> I suggest a sling
09:33 <Mort-> If you don't have money for a crossbow 
09:39 <Hydrazine> not proficient.
09:44 <Urist> why not darts?
09:52 <Mort-> Slings are simple weapons
10:06 <Mort-> No profeciency with that?
10:29 <Mort-> Darts are a tad short ranged i think
10:42 <Urist> its just that they depend on your strength(slings)
10:48 <Mort-> My favs are always longbows
10:51 <Mort-> Oh
10:53 <Mort-> That
10:55 <Mort-> I forgot
11:07 <Mort-> Ok then you better try to get a crossbow
11:13 <Mort-> I think darts would
11:16 <Urist> Druids are proficient with
11:16 <Urist> 									the following weapons: club, dagger, dart, quarterstaff,
11:16 <Urist> 									scimitar, scythe, sickle, shortspear, sling, and spear. They are
11:16 <Urist> 									also proficient with all natural attacks (claw, bite, and so
11:16 <Urist> 									forth) of any form they assume with wild shape
11:20 <Mort-> Thrown weapons not?
11:33 <Hydrazine> No crossbow or darts on that list.
11:36 <Mort-> Ah scimitar
11:44 <Mort-> It said darts!
11:45 <Urist> dart is on the list
11:50 <Hydrazine> Ah.
11:52 <Hydrazine> I can't read.
12:41 <Urist> so spear, darts or scimitar?
12:50 <Mort-> Oh besides mek around here i think I'm as close to an animal you'll find
12:52 <Mort-> All 3
12:53 <Mort-> Lol
13:11 <Hydrazine> Hokubi fights like an animal
13:12 <Mort-> Get scimitar first. Then darts
13:15 <Mort-> Then spear
13:38 <Mort-> Uh slightly different primciples
13:43 <Mort-> You grab things
13:49 <Mort-> I rip them apart
13:54 <Mort-> With bite and claws
14:20 <Mort-> Unfortunately I'm very easy to tie into a knot :(
14:54 <Mort-> I'm at least not so easily tripped because i have 4 legs
15:54 <Mort-> Urist. When you get enough money you'll want slashing blugeoning and piercing weapons
16:03 <Mort-> To over come damage reduction
16:26 <Urist> ok, so ill stick to darts for the moment
16:57 <Mort-> Also since your a natural weapon fighter ( i think the bulk of your damage will come from your companion ) you'll have same problems as i will to
17:17 <Mort-> But i shouldn't be scaring you should i?
17:21 <Mort-> Hydra!
17:26 <Hydrazine> Hm?
17:28 <Mort-> Am i talking too much?
17:30 <Mort-> Lol
17:33 <Hydrazine> Eh.
17:43 <Mort-> I'm giving him dr reduction rules already
18:02 <Mort-> If you want me help you carry your stuff i probably can
18:08 <Mort-> Decent strength here
18:14 <Urist> Blowgun 2 gp 1 1d2 ×2 20 ft. 1 lb.
18:33 * Mort- twitches
18:42 <Urist> Spear 2 gp 1d6 1d8 ×3 20 ft. 6 lbs. P brace
18:42 <Hydrazine> Whats the range on darts?
18:47 <Mort-> Do you have damaging cantrips?
18:50 <Urist> 20 ft
18:55 <Mort-> Spears aren't bad
19:05 <Urist> Sling — 1d3 1d4 ×2 50 ft.
19:28 <Mort-> That's why i was suggesting slings if you're on budget
19:31 <Urist> but hydra was saying slings depend on strenght?
19:36 <Hydrazine> For damage
19:37 <Hydrazine> Yes.
19:41 <Hydrazine> But so would darts.
19:42 <Mort-> So do darts i think?
19:58 <Mort-> I would think if i threw a dart at you hydra
20:02 <Hydrazine> All thrown weapons are affected by strength.
20:04 <Urist> oh, then obviously sling
20:04 <Mort-> I would probably miss.
20:21 <Mort-> Then you would smack the crap out of me?
20:22 <Urist> but is there a chance of hitting the boar?
20:27 <Mort-> No
20:28 <Hydrazine> The only ranged weapons that aren't, are ones that get their firing power from something else.
20:32 <Mort-> You can hit nothing
20:39 <Mort-> But you won't hit your friends
20:42 <Hydrazine> Namely, crossbows and firearms.
20:52 <Mort-> Bows pwn too
21:15 <Urist> ah, my last dm would make a rule if your in the firing ranged used get hit
21:19 <Hydrazine> Regular bows take srength penalties too.
21:37 <Hydrazine> Then appreciate that we don't?
21:47 <Urist> i do
21:58 <Urist> thanks, i dont mean to bad mouth
22:28 <Hydrazine> Nah, I don't think you are. Just saying, utilize the freedom!
22:41 <Hydrazine> Firing into melee has its own penalties though. Did in 3.5 too though.
23:03 <Hydrazine> Just consider that if possible, you're better off shooting at the other ranged guys than the melee.
23:13 <Urist> ok 
23:32 <Hydrazine> -4 to hit guys fighting in melee with friendlies.
23:44 <Hydrazine> The penalty is from you being careful enough to not hit your friendlies.
24:03 <Hydrazine> -4 again from cover if your party fighter is being in the damn way.
24:08 <Hydrazine> So thats pretty tough.
24:25 <Urist> ok, ill remember that
25:34 <Urist> so ill but darts and Scimitar 15 gp 1d4 1d6 18–20/×2 — 4 lbs. S
25:41 <Urist> not darts sling
25:49 <Urist> and buy
25:57 <Urist> not but
26:25 <Urist> and i even have the gold for the spear too
27:34 <Hydrazine> What about armor for the pig?
29:09 <Urist> leather
29:23 <Urist> and what armour for me leater too?
29:34 <Hydrazine> Probably.
30:06 <Hydrazine> Oh, armor might be pretty expensive overall, for you and Piggy.
30:14 <Hydrazine> His costs twice as much.
30:27 <Urist> he is more important i think
30:30 <Hydrazine> Since you have to special order armor for boars.
38:20 <Urist> studded leather cost 25
38:23 <Urist> gp
38:36 <Urist> but its studded can i get it
38:40 <Urist> ?
41:26 <Urist> hello?
45:30 <Mort-> Back
46:00 <Mort-> He will take acp
48:00 <Mort-> ie doesn't have light armor profeciency
48:30 <Urist> ok i gave it to him
49:12 <Mort-> Use a chain shirt when you have miney lol
49:23 <Urist> but im a druid
49:28 <Mort-> Otherwise just leather
49:37 <Urist> how about hide?
49:40 <Mort-> He isnt a druid
49:55 <Urist> ah touche
50:12 <Mort-> I think he can  wear it
50:30 <Mort-> That one have to ask mek
50:42 <Mort-> I'm a 
50:51 <Mort-> Monster not a druid
51:31 <Mort-> A fantastical white sphinix with 2 hands and silver eyes
51:51 <Mort-> :d
52:15 <Urist> wait your a sphinx?
52:27 <Mort-> Ya 
52:53 <Urist> i was going to be a pixie but i didnt know if it was allowed
53:05 <Mort-> I fight like a wild shaped druid would
53:15 <Mort-> Lol its my class
53:26 <Urist> cool, 
53:41 <Mort-> Summoner - synthesist archtype
54:27 <Mort-> So i meld.with an outsider to become some fantastical creature of my imagnation
54:55 <Urist> nice, sounds complicated haha
56:16 <Mort-> It is
56:31 <Mort-> The rules gave me a headache
56:45 <Mort-> Anyway I'm off to bed
57:08 <Mort-> Midnight here and i thibk  I'm about to catch a cold
57:09 <Urist> but i sure we will talk again
57:23 <Urist> to you again*
57:39 <Urist> when do the scenarios start?
57:40 <Mort-> I think.hydra hasn't slept for 17h or so :p
57:46 <Mort-> Weekends
58:03 <Urist> really?
58:07 <Mort-> About 11h from now
58:13 <Mort-> On sats
58:25 <Mort-> Ansd sundays
58:42 <Mort-> Hydra has bad sleeping habits
58:57 <Mort-> Don't learn from him
59:16 <Mort-> We keep tweaking each,others noses
59:17 <Urist> i'll try not to, haha
59:41 <Mort-> Siince we mstly. End up partying together
00:12 <Mort-> What time is it at your place
00:14 <Mort-> Now
00:21 <Urist> 5 pm
00:58 <Mort-> 4am your time then
01:25 <Urist> yeah, looks like ill have an early start on saturday
01:30 <Mort-> Ive been up at 2am and 6am to pfs on weekends though
02:03 <Mort-> So well.
02:17 <Mort-> Prolly bed time ffor me
02:40 * Mort- becomes a mur rug
04:36 <Urist> are there any scenarios running during the week?
05:05 <Mort-> Pm
05:09 <Mort-> Check
07:06 <Mort-> Mosr of us are working so,can't play on run sxenarios on.weekdays
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58:19 <S711> I thought you people moved over to Skype now.
58:24 <S711> Good thing you didn't.
32:39 <Urist> Hello
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09:28 <Urist> hey mekkis i finished my character sheet
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19:52 <Mekkis> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/11/zombie_bullets/
22:55 <Mort-> Hi
23:06 <Mort-> He has a doodad urist
23:14 <Mort-> I'm a fake :p
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20:44 <Mort-> Hi urist
27:57 <Urist> hey mort
28:14 <Urist> got the character sheet finished
29:38 <Urist> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
31:34 <Urist> hello?
33:50 <Mort-> paizo.com/forums/dmtz5vxb&page=2?Noncaster-s-tactics-against-casters
33:53 <Mort-> interesting
34:03 <Mort-> Sorry was trolling as per normj
34:23 <Urist> no problem, so what do you think?
34:37 <Mort-> Firstly. Don't name your character after yourself
34:44 <Mort-> So everyone tells me :d
35:01 <Mort-> It gives problems so to speak later
35:06 <Urist> what do you mean?
35:19 <Mort-> I think we are not too sure where mort the wizard ends
35:27 <Mort-> and where me as a player begins
35:43 <Mort-> Character separation
35:52 <Urist> haha, i think i understand
36:09 <Mort-> Cha is a +0
36:17 <Mort-> Mort is level 7 now
36:19 <Mort-> As a wizard
36:29 <Mort-> And we think she has a tail like i do
37:06 <Urist> haha, so youve been playing her for a while
37:20 <Urist> are the scenarios good?
37:23 <Mort-> Will save from wis is a +3 only
37:30 <Mort-> Fun fun fun!
37:44 <Mort-> First one you run around like a blur block though
38:18 <Urist> haha, its all about experience i think, ill settle hopefully
38:30 <Urist> my will save is +8
38:32 <Mort-> Your standsad ac is 18
38:36 <Mort-> Touch 12
38:43 <Mort->  Flat footed 16
39:13 <Mort-> If you want to use a sling. Don't forget your bullets
39:22 <Urist> sorry i forgot to put that in
39:24 <Mort-> A lot of people keep making that mistake
39:26 <Mort-> Lol
39:41 <Mort-> Nice to have a bow. Now where are your arrows? :p
39:50 <Mort-> At least sling not that bad
40:06 <Mort-> Just pick up rocks at -4 penalty and use them
40:13 <Mort-> Improvised weapon
40:54 <Mort-> Favoured class bonus - hp or skill point
41:31 <Mort-> Feat?
41:46 <Mort-> you have 1 feat at level 1 and 2 traits to choose from
42:10 <Mort-> You can take 2 traits. Both cannot come from same category and give the same bonus
42:26 <Mort-> Ie no reactionary and excitable traits
42:38 <Mort-> Because both add initiative
43:28 <Mort-> How did you get medium armor profeciency on your boar
43:37 <Mort-> You need to get light first. Then medium
43:39 <Avatar> zzz
43:46 <Mort-> Then heavy if you choose
43:53 <Mort-> I'm auditing his sheet
43:59 <Mort-> Feel free to help out avatar
44:07 <Mort-> I'm off to work soon
44:09 <Avatar> are you confusing the newbies again mort
45:00 <Mort-> No
45:08 <Mort-> I'm trying to help
45:10 <Avatar> urist: upload what you've got 
45:18 <Mort-> He already did
45:22 <Mort-> See previous logs
45:27 <Urist> ok here it is updated again
45:31 <Avatar> the last upload was 4am
45:36 <Mort-> www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
46:01 <Avatar> has anything changed
46:06 <Mort-> Avatar help me check if hide shirts are legal
46:25 <Mort-> Or whatever the crap the last time i was tryig to wear one
46:28 <Avatar> why
46:45 <Mort-> I mix up hide. Hide sipstp
46:52 <Mort-> Shirts. And hide armor
47:25 <Urist> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
47:25 <Mort-> I'm a blur little mur afterall
47:56 <Mort-> Oh and audit charge
48:02 <Mort-> 5 chocolate chip cookies
48:16 * Mort- passes urist a bill
48:30 <Urist> haha whats the charge?
49:19 <Avatar> urist you've only spent 15 points on your abilities
49:42 <Mort-> Skill points
49:43 <Avatar> your original stats were 8 14 12 12 14 13 right?
49:55 <Mort-> 4+int mod
50:01 <Urist> they were
50:08 <Mort-> You have int mod of 1
50:11 <Avatar> 8 (-2)
50:14 <Avatar> 14 (5)
50:16 <Urist> so 5
50:16 <Avatar> 12 (2)
50:18 <Mort-> You get 5 skill points
50:19 <Avatar> 12 (2)
50:22 <Avatar> 14 (5)
50:24 <Avatar> 13 (3)
50:31 <Avatar> that's how much each of those points cost
50:35 <Avatar> adds up to 15
50:43 <Mort-> I didn't count stat points
50:53 <Mort-> Hard to on phone
50:59 <Urist> wow that complicates things thank you
51:13 <Mort-> Watch out for mek though
51:48 <Mort-> I recommend handle animal
52:01 <Urist> mek?
52:06 <Mort-> Mek will make you roll every handle animal check
52:15 <Mort-> If you want your companion to attack
52:58 <Avatar> he already put a rank into that mort
53:06 <Mort-> Don't worry. Him and i get along fine. By the time i get an animal companion ill have the ranks required to push him to attack
53:15 <Mort-> His cha is a little know
53:16 <Mort-> Low
53:46 <Mort-> Well you got a spare skill point
53:57 <Avatar> does he
54:00 <Avatar> he has to redo his abilities
54:04 <Mort-> I'm not sure if its possible to make your Angola companion attack
54:05 <Mort-> Oh
54:10 <Mort-> Maybe more then 1
54:20 <Avatar> maybe less
54:22 <Avatar> only the dice know
54:23 <Mort-> Without using handle animal
54:26 <Mort-> Ok
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54:35 <Mort-> Would combat training work?
54:40 <Mort-> Btw avatar
54:51 <Avatar> for what
54:55 <Mort-> You should go join Google groups tomorrow at this time
55:10 <Mort-> They running stuff but yeah I'm at work
55:15 <Mort-> Suxors
55:20 <Avatar> you're talking in half sentences again mort
55:23 <Mort-> Or id go bring xyn in
55:32 <Avatar> can't understand what you're trying to say and taking 20 lines to say it 
55:45 <Mort-> I'm excitable
55:48 <Mort-> Its a trait
55:50 <Avatar> RELAX
55:56 <Mort-> Lol
56:24 <Mort-> Ok. Google groups is running assault on kingdom impossible at this time tomorrow
56:32 <Mort-> I would play but I'm at work
56:40 <Mort-> Too bad for me
56:43 <OrangeShark> Str: 10	 	 +0
56:43 <OrangeShark> Dex: 14 	 +2
56:43 <OrangeShark> Con: 14  	 +2
56:43 <OrangeShark> Int: 12  	 +1
56:43 <OrangeShark> Wis: 18  	 +4
56:43 <OrangeShark> Cha: 12  	 +1
56:47 <Mort-> But you could pasty
56:51 <Mort-> Party
56:56 <Mort-> Btw urist
56:58 <Avatar> is that before or after adding the dwarven bonuses
57:06 <OrangeShark> after
57:10 <Mort-> Google groups is running things
57:19 <Mort-> In 24 h
57:21 <Avatar> so 10 14 12 12 16 14
57:25 <OrangeShark> i saw tomorrow
57:29 <Mort-> Assault on kingdom of impossible
57:36 <Mort-> Have a good run!
57:47 <OrangeShark> thanks 
57:50 <Mort-> I'm working or i would play
57:53 <OrangeShark> what time?
57:55 <Mort-> You have to sign up
57:59 <Avatar> 14 (5) 12 (2) 12 (2) 16 (10) 14 (5)
58:00 <Mort-> 24 h from now
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58:06 <Avatar> that's still only 19
58:09 <Mort-> Or so
58:17 <Mort-> They use maptools
58:40 <Mort-> And skype
58:51 <OrangeShark> hmmm that after dwarven traits
59:21 <Mort-> Version 87
59:35 <Mort-> Ok work no more irc
59:39 <Mort-> Busy mur :(
59:52 <OrangeShark> thanks man, where do i sign up?
00:05 <Mort-> Sorry about it but a furry mur s gotta work
00:08 <Mort-> Join the group
00:15 <Mort-> Then reply to the post
00:22 <OrangeShark> i joined
00:47 <Mort-> Reply to the post you have a level 1 druid
00:55 <Mort-> And you're new and would like to play
01:02 <Mort-> They will reserve a place for you
01:18 <Mort-> For weekday parties you'll want to join them
01:26 <Mort-> Won't pfs in rl today
01:29 <Mort-> I'm sick
01:37 <OrangeShark> could you give me the link before you go?
03:51 <OrangeShark> @avatar?
03:53 <Avatar> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/pathfinder-society-online-collective
04:08 <OrangeShark> thanks
04:17 <OrangeShark> Str: 10	 	 +0
04:17 <OrangeShark> Dex: 16 	 +3
04:17 <OrangeShark> Con: 14  	 +2
04:17 <OrangeShark> Int: 12  	 +1
04:17 <OrangeShark> Wis: 18  	 +4
04:17 <OrangeShark> Cha: 12  	 +1
04:50 <Avatar> put in brackets next to each one how many points you spent on it
05:03 <Avatar> it's okay to put that on your sheet and leave it there
05:21 <Avatar> it's an easy way to make sure you've done it right or to fine tune it 
06:16 <OrangeShark> thanks for the tip, ill do that for future chars
06:29 <Avatar> you'll want to do it for this char
06:35 <Avatar> because I'm pretty sure that's still wrong
06:39 <OrangeShark> ok, i will
08:46 <Avatar> don't consider mort's idea of getting a hide shirt, it requires you to own a really obscure book
08:59 <Avatar> unless you're willing to pay for it, you'll want to stick to hide armor
09:38 <OrangeShark> Str: 10(0)	 	 +0
09:39 <OrangeShark> Dex: 16 (6)	 +3
09:39 <OrangeShark> Con: 14 (2+2) 	 +2
09:39 <OrangeShark> Int: 12 (2)	 +1
09:39 <OrangeShark> Wis: 18 (6+2)	 +4
09:39 <OrangeShark> Cha: 12 (4-2)	 +1
09:53 <OrangeShark> so hide armour is fine?
09:58 <Avatar> hide armour is fine
10:03 <Avatar> not sure where you are getting those numbers man
10:11 <Avatar> are you using the ability score table in step 1
10:37 <OrangeShark> damn i taught i was
10:40 <Avatar> take a look at the number next to 16
11:06 <OrangeShark> 6?
11:15 <Avatar> what page are you looking at
11:22 <OrangeShark> ah, it takes like 10
11:25 <Avatar> yeah
11:36 <OrangeShark> ok, ill fix it
11:43 <Avatar> love your work
13:30 <OrangeShark> Str: 10(0)	 +0
13:30 <OrangeShark> Dex: 14 (5)	 +2
13:31 <OrangeShark> Con: 14 (0+2) 	 +2
13:31 <OrangeShark> Int: 12 (0)	 +1
13:31 <OrangeShark> Wis: 16 (10+2)	 +4
13:31 <OrangeShark> Cha: 12 (5-2)	 +1
13:40 <OrangeShark> better?
14:23 <Avatar> check your con
14:38 <Avatar> make sure it all looks right to you first
15:23 <OrangeShark> thanks
15:26 <OrangeShark> Con: 12 (0+2) 	 +1
15:27 <OrangeShark> Int: 10 (0)	 +0
15:44 <Avatar> it costs more than 0 to make your con 12
16:06 <OrangeShark> that the race added on, the +2
16:15 <Avatar> oh right
16:32 <OrangeShark> ill make it clearer
16:33 <Avatar> yeah that looks good
16:54 <Avatar> now adjust everything else that relies on those stats
18:41 <OrangeShark> Str: 10      (0)	 +0
18:41 <OrangeShark> Dex: 14      (5)	 +2
18:41 <OrangeShark> Con: 12(0+2) (0) 	 +1
18:41 <OrangeShark> Int: 10      (0)	 +0
18:41 <OrangeShark> Wis: 18(16 +2)(10)	 +4
18:41 <OrangeShark> Cha: 12(14 -2)(5)	 +1
18:51 <OrangeShark> will do
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26:05 <Mort-> Yay
26:15 <mekkis_tab> Mort-, I thought you'd played Assault
26:17 <Mort-> We can start merging with Google groups
26:20 <Mort-> I didn't
26:26 <Mort-> I wasn't there
26:35 <Mort-> I definitely wasnt
26:41 <mekkis_tab> what do you mean merging?
26:59 <Mort-> As in we can pop over to their side and play
27:12 <Mort-> Like wise they can come here to play :-)
28:33 <Mort-> Avatar - if you're playing with catprog i think the game at max is quite low level
28:49 <mekkis_tab> catprog?
29:04 <Mort-> So far in catprogs games the highest level we had coming in is level 4 summoner
29:05 <mekkis_tab> Mort-, doesn't that happen already?
29:11 <Mort-> The other side
29:24 <Mort-> He put his level 7 witch in
29:25 <Mort-> Joker
30:17 <Mort-> Suggest you bring landruff
30:55 <Mort-> xyn is just about the sweet level for that kind of stuff. Unfortunately. I have a garage sale to do
31:14 <Mort-> Catprog runs stuff on Sundays.
31:29 <mekkis_tab> I'll assault YOUR impossible kingdom!
31:41 <Mort-> I don't have a kingdom now
31:49 <Mort-> I let it fall into ruins
31:53 <Mort-> Once i did.
32:07 <mekkis_tab> IMPOSSIBLE!
32:08 <Mort-> We got really tired and we just gave it t
32:10 <Mort-> Up
32:16 <Mort-> No its true
32:29 <mekkis_tab> Xanian still has a kingdom
32:37 <Mort-> I used to be a monarch in another online game called utopia
33:08 <Mort-> And a war commander as well. It always falls to the monarch to lead his people in war
33:13 <Mort-> Tiring as shit.
33:37 <Mort-> At least now i don't stay up 24 h straight for gaming
34:15 <mekkis_tab> I know, right
34:15 <Mort-> Someone is always asking who to hit
34:26 <Mort-> Yeah. Better this way.
34:31 <mekkis_tab> everyone else are just my advisors
34:41 <Mort-> I had them too
34:50 <mekkis_tab> until Xanian hits 7th though
34:53 <Mort-> But we were all very tired towards the end
35:11 <Mort-> What happens on your 7th
35:12 <mekkis_tab> hmmm
35:19 <mekkis_tab> leadership
35:21 <Mort-> Also xanian what's his int
35:28 <mekkis_tab> he might marry his cohort
35:29 <Mort-> And sense motive
35:31 <mekkis_tab> 14
35:59 <Mort-> He can dump strength since his aspect takes care of it
36:02 <Mort-> Technically
36:18 <Mort-> Xyns int is also 14
36:22 <mekkis_tab> and +10
36:32 <Mort-> 13 str 12 dex 14 cons
36:46 <Mort-> A lot better then hers
36:49 <Mort-> +5 only
36:57 <Mort-> No skillz :d
37:15 <Mort-> Again he probably isn't a umd monkey
37:33 <Mort-> What cohort did you get
37:36 <Mort-> Or getting
37:49 <mekkis_tab> Saving Throws
37:49 <mekkis_tab> Fortitude
37:50 <mekkis_tab> Reflex
37:50 <mekkis_tab> Will
37:50 <mekkis_tab> TOTAL
37:50 <mekkis_tab> 16
37:51 <mekkis_tab> 12
37:53 <mekkis_tab> 15
37:55 <mekkis_tab> Base
37:57 <mekkis_tab> = 6
38:01 <mekkis_tab> = 1
38:03 <mekkis_tab> = 6
38:05 <mekkis_tab> Ability
38:07 <mekkis_tab> + 2
38:09 <mekkis_tab> + 3
38:11 <mekkis_tab> + 1
38:13 <mekkis_tab> Magic
38:15 <mekkis_tab> + 2
38:17 <mekkis_tab> + 2
38:19 <mekkis_tab> + 2
38:21 <mekkis_tab> Misc
38:23 <mekkis_tab> + 6
38:25 <mekkis_tab> + 6
38:27 <mekkis_tab> + 6
38:31 <mekkis_tab> Temp
38:33 <mekkis_tab> + 0
38:34 <Mort-> Your saves are sick
38:35 <mekkis_tab> + 0
38:37 <mekkis_tab> + 0
38:39 <mekkis_tab> oops
38:41 <mekkis_tab> that shouldn't have happened
39:04 <Mort-> I have like 1 for fort
39:12 <Mort-> 4 for reflex
39:17 <Mort-> 3 for will
39:28 <mekkis_tab> fort 16, reflex 12, will 15
39:33 <mekkis_tab> that's what 2 levels of paladin does
39:42 <Mort-> I know
40:01 <Mort-> But i have a different path to walk
40:23 <mekkis_tab> yeah
40:25 <mekkis_tab> you're not a king
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46:58 <Mort-> I can sneak attack :p
47:22 <Mort-> But i think you'll hate incorpreal stuff
47:30 <Mort-> Cuts through your ac.
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50:47 <Avatar-> Mort stop scaring the newbies
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09:59 <mekkis_tab> hmmm
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12:17 <mekkis_tab> great... I'm 60gp off in my money for itzamna
12:23 <mekkis_tab> I'll just throw it on the ground
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40:35 <MekkisScreen> Avatar-: stop connection spamming
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45:38 <Avatar-> is it that bad
45:43 <Avatar-> I can part
46:23 <Avatar-> I'm on my way home
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07:41 <MekkisScreen> you connect/disconnect more in one day than I do in a month
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19:58 <mortswishytail> Wondering if i can call in sick at work unopposed
20:00 <mortswishytail> Tomorrow
20:04 <mortswishytail> To pfs :p
20:09 <mortswishytail> I am sick
20:19 <mortswishytail> But not that sick i can't work
20:36 <mortswishytail> If i feel like pfs it means i still can work
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22:28 <Mort-> Ah chew
22:36 * Mort- sneezes
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30:16 <Avatar-> what are you sick with
30:24 <Mort-> Flu
30:24 <Hydrazine> Rabies.
30:34 * Mort- sneezes at the channel
30:56 <Mort-> Hydra that's mean. I don't have a good fort save
31:08 <Mort-> Anyway i believe misery deserves company so..
31:09 <Avatar-> that's sick enough
31:16 <Avatar-> cold or flu?
31:36 * Mort- sneezes with a 60 ft cone to pass the flu on
32:04 <Avatar-> you'll make others at work sick if you go
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38:36 <Mort-> Damn he is tempting me
39:15 <Mort-> But ill need a mc
39:42 <Mort-> And honestly besides feeling slow due to flu there isn't too much wrong with me
39:54 * Mort- sneezes
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52:51 <Brunius> Is there a game tomorrow
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55:46 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: if there was one, would you play?
57:57 <Brunius> Depending on start time, maybe.
58:13 <Brunius> After 2pm I could play
59:19 <Brunius> Actually, that's not right. After 1pm I could play
05:30 <Mort-> I'm enjoying an anti pally guide
05:35 <Mort-> Its so cool
05:45 <Hydrazine> Its not for you, Mort.
05:54 <Mort-> No!
06:00 <Mort-> I want to be a dreadlord
06:12 <Hydrazine> I want to be an effective monk.
06:16 <Mort-> And command an army of undead!
06:24 * Mort- squeaks
06:41 <Hydrazine> I'm reading recently that paizo intends to do some changes for the monk class.
06:46 <Mort-> Can wriaths go in corpreal and 
06:55 <Mort-> Get me my cookies?
07:15 <Hydrazine> Can they carry the cookies while incorporeal?
07:39 <Mort-> Urm. I'm not sure.
07:48 <Mort-> Maybe i should stick to imps.
10:49 <Mort-> Actually its hard for me to be lawful evil
10:56 <Mort-> I can do ce decently though
12:44 <Mort-> Is the whole channel waiting for me to roll a pally?
16:47 <Avatar> no
16:52 <Avatar> why would we care
20:31 <Mort-> Lol
20:46 * Mort- reads the anti pally guide
21:00 * Mort- likes the dark side of the force
21:23 * Mort- tweaks hydra's nose gently.
21:40 <Mort-> Do i need a reflex save?
22:19 <Hydrazine> Nah. Not in the mood for exploding
23:56 <Mort-> I'm trying to be careful. Ive gotten blown up too many times
25:07 <Mort-> Id like to see mincedsushis face
25:27 <Mort-> If i told him i was going to the dark side
25:48 <Hydrazine> My bet, he would laugh at you
25:57 <Mort-> Really?
25:59 <Mort-> Why lol
26:12 <Mort-> I think he would be horrified
26:12 <MekkisScreen> Mort-: you WILL roll a gnome
26:29 <MekkisScreen> roll up Grolschmir's sister
26:32 <Mort-> And i will become an anti pally :p
26:53 <Mort-> i shall get a shadowmastiff and ride him all around :p
27:00 <Mort-> You can't though
27:08 <Hydrazine> Roll up a negative energy cleric and channel the hell out of things.
27:26 <Mort-> And stop your suggestion spells on me mek
28:18 <Hydrazine> Did I tell you what my friend Jayson was doing, with the character that I let die, Mort?
28:20 <Mort-> I wonder what a gnome antipally would be like
28:21 <Mort-> Hm
28:34 <Mort-> Throwing your body around?
28:44 <Mort-> I told you the whole idea disgusts me
29:13 <Hydrazine> Our DM had found and offhandedly kind of threw this guy a bone. Jayson was kind of new to tabletop then, he didn't have the in detail knowledge of the rules system
29:35 <Hydrazine> He put him on the path of a prestige class that got suggestion as an at-will.
29:42 <Mort-> Ok
29:45 <Mort-> We all start somewhere
29:52 <Mort-> Ok
30:07 <Hydrazine> So yeah. DM pretty much gave him this class that'll just tell everyone what to do. And make it work.
30:39 <Mort-> Suggestion for someone to do stuff for me
30:48 <Mort-> Npcs of course
30:53 <Mort-> I don't do pcs
31:39 <Mort-> Hm. Negative energy gnome cleric
31:50 <Mort-> Going around spreading death and destruction
31:58 <Mort-> Wonder how mek would feel about it
32:17 * Mort- tugs mekkis nose
34:16 <Hydrazine> So yeah. He got tossed a class that could just sit there and suggest until it stuck. Not OP at all.
34:36 <Hydrazine> And then he got himself killed.
36:23 <Mort-> And?
46:53 <MekkisScreen> Brunius: IF I'm running something tomorow, it'd start at 7pmish
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50:12 <Hydrazine> Hey look, Its Sushi.
51:16 <MincedSushi> A wile sushi has appeared. 
51:44 <MincedSushi> He used watch anime before bed. 
51:52 <MincedSushi> It was not very effective :/
52:57 <Hydrazine> Crazy anime.
53:34 <MincedSushi> This seasons anime so far have been terrible.
53:41 <MincedSushi> I'm very dissapointed
54:41 <MincedSushi> I can't wait for the second season of Moyashimon next month.
54:50 <Brunius> MekkisScreen: Starting 7pm I probably couldn't make.
54:56 <Mort-> Oh hi
55:04 <Mort-> Sushi
55:22 <Mort-> I have been reading the antipaladin guide!
55:40 <MincedSushi> ???
55:45 <MincedSushi> There's a guide now?
58:27 <Mort-> paizo.com/forums/dmtz579e&page=2?Bodhizens-Guide-to-the-Optimal-Paladin
00:54 <Mort-> Isn't it awesome?
01:00 <Mort-> The dark side!
01:39 <Mort-> And sushi. Bru threw a pokeball at me before
06:51 <MincedSushi> xD
07:13 <MincedSushi> Reading the guide and I'ma ctually really against it.
07:44 <MincedSushi> I mean it has good info, but anything that favours stat dumps to the level of this guide really bothers me on every level.
09:40 <Hydrazine> Eh. You don't have to love it I guess.
10:55 <Avatar> mort is the guidemaster
11:43 <MincedSushi> Anway~
11:47 <MincedSushi> I'm off to bed
11:56 <MincedSushi> Have fun guys and girl~
12:00 <Hydrazine> Jerus has double negatives, and I still like him.
12:11 <mekkis_tab> what's so appealing about the antipaladin?
12:28 <MincedSushi> My thing has always be you rp your stats. in pfs that's not true which leads tot hat level of minmaxing
12:32 <mekkis_tab> Brunius, even if I spread it over two nights?
13:05 <MincedSushi> So if you have an 8wis or an 7 int you better be forgetfull as heck and dumb as a board.
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13:29 <mekkis_tab> More to the point, Mort-, why choose class first. Choose concept first
13:40 <Hydrazine> Hmm. I like to think I try to, but I might play a bit more than his 7 wisdom really represents.
13:55 <Mort-> Don't worry
14:02 <Mort-> I had fun with 7 wis :p
14:12 <Hydrazine> But I like to think his country boy speech and behavior might flag him as an inbred redneck hick in the right circles, and accurately represent the respect they'd give to a 7 cha.
14:13 <Mort-> Fell asleep on watch
14:28 <Mort-> Charged into every single fight
14:31 <mekkis_tab> but "what 7 wisdom really represents" isn't defined anywhere?
15:04 <Hydrazine> Then I guess I'm using my abstraction of the general thought that hes not as wise as the average bear.
15:14 <mekkis_tab> one interpretation is "unable to extract hidden powers from holy texts"
15:17 <Hydrazine> And don't you dare take the word bear in there literally.
15:29 <Avatar> or else
15:31 <mekkis_tab> what do you mean, "as wise as the average bear"?
15:53 <Avatar> it's a yogi bear reference
15:56 <Hydrazine> average human/similar sentient being.
16:56 <Hydrazine> Nor do I think it really has to be quantified in any way other than what the game tells me.
17:09 <mekkis_tab> hmmm
17:39 <Hydrazine> He rolls badly on social skills and perception and will saves.
17:46 <mekkis_tab> I'm considering an archer. Should I try cavalier, ranger, fighter, paladin, monk, summoner or barbarian?
17:55 <mekkis_tab> or magus?
18:37 <mekkis_tab> Wow
19:00 <Avatar> why isn't bard in the list
19:09 <Brunius> What
19:16 <Brunius> I didn't throw a pokeball at mort
19:19 <Hydrazine> Jerus the character grew up as a farmboy leading the simple life. Hes not as wise or as charismatic as some, and I try to play that.
19:27 <Brunius> Where the hell did you get that idea Mort-?
19:27 <Hydrazine> What about clerics?
19:31 <Avatar> what's a pokeball
19:43 <Brunius> It's like an ultra ball
19:52 <Avatar> what's an ultra ball
19:57 <mekkis_tab> d20pfsrd.com is not only supporting IPv6, it's also hosted in Australia
20:12 <Mort-> Mek
20:15 <Brunius> It's like a master ball
20:21 <mekkis_tab> Mort-, 
20:21 <Mort-> The idea was to make you go
20:29 <Brunius> Mort-, why do you think I tried to use a pokeball on you?
20:49 <Mort-> Oh what a horribly rped gnome
20:53 <Mort-> I remember you did
20:58 <Brunius> When?
20:58 <Mort-> You threw one at me
21:03 <Mort-> Some time back
21:15 <Brunius> I didn't.
21:19 <Brunius> Logs or it didn't happen.
21:32 <Mort-> Ok then someone did
21:37 <Mort-> And can't remember who
22:12 <Mort-> So mek. The concept was to make you go that's the most horribly rped gnome ever
22:17 <Mort-> So not gnome ^^
22:49 <Avatar> if I roll up another character, it'll be an inquisitor
22:55 <Avatar> I want to know what all the hype is about
23:17 <Avatar> but I have too many characters already, so that's not happening anytime soon
24:05 <Brunius> They're all judgemental and stuff
24:22 <mekkis_tab> you've seen Balaah, haven't you?
25:57 <mekkis_tab> probably will go Paladin
26:57 <mekkis_tab> although summoner is a nice idea
27:03 <mekkis_tab> but I think I'm playing enough summoners
28:38 <Mort-> Haven't seen him
28:43 <mekkis_tab> hmmm
28:57 <mekkis_tab> samurai is an idea
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29:58 <mekkis_tab> but to be honest, I don't like the asian classes
30:08 <mekkis_tab> I'd need to do some significant reflavouring
31:48 <Mort-> Bah
31:55 <Mort-> I have no issues with them
32:03 <Mort-> I'm asian though
32:08 <mekkis_tab> it's like my dislike of pirates
32:15 <Mort-> I personally think summoner is asian
32:19 <Mort-> Anyway
32:20 <mekkis_tab> it's a Stupid Fad that should go and die somewhere
32:44 <Mort-> Magi are arabs :p
35:02 <Mort-> Inquisitors - saleem witch trials
35:05 <Mort-> Imo
35:19 <Mort-> At least that's what the classes feel like to me
35:38 <Mort-> But if you bug me about rolling a gnome mek 
36:21 <Mort-> then i might roll one on the entire concept on how to be a gnome but be as un gnome like as possible
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38:19 <Avatar> I'll bug you not to roll a gnome if you like
39:14 <Mort-> But for philosophy the reason why there are asian flavored classes is to reach out to the asian market
39:44 <Mort-> Some people who aren't Asians like asian flavor as well
40:21 <Mort-> Like one monk i was paired with is an euro player but his entire character is so shaolin monk
48:00 <Hydrazine> hey Mort.
48:22 <Hydrazine> I think, that not really anyone cares nearly so much about the 'to gnome or not to gnome' as you.
48:56 <Hydrazine> We know you don't like them. Or so you say. And Mek defends them, but thats pretty much it..
54:11 <Mort-> Haha
54:19 <Mort-> See how it goes
55:00 <Mort-> I need someone else at 5 though
55:11 <Mort-> And that someone can't be xyn
55:13 <Mort-> In a way
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59:42 <OsterGuard> hey everyone
05:40 <Hydrazine> Yo.
08:07 <Hydrazine> Whats kicking Oster?
08:31 <Hydrazine> Oh man, can you believe it? Jerus stayed upright for an entire level 5-6 session.
13:49 <Avatar> how many 5-6 sessions has jerus played
16:37 <Hydrazine> One.
18:04 <Avatar> doesn't seem like much to compare against
18:16 <Avatar> why would there be disbelief
21:20 <Mekkis> Hydrazine hasn't realised that becoming unconscious means you're nearly dead
22:38 <Hydrazine> I thought i was pretty keen on that. Which is why bring conscious is a good thing, something to be a little excited about.
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25:56 <Mort-> We both weren't in very good shape towards the end
26:00 <Mort-> 9 hp left
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32:54 <Mort-> And actually i wouldn't be surprised if mort and jerus have the same hp
33:01 <Mort-> Have about 51
33:03 <Mort-> Here
36:21 <Hydrazine> 48.
36:40 <Mekkis> isn't there a level difference
37:59 <Avatar> two levels
38:09 <Mekkis> mort's 7?
38:19 <Avatar> yeah
39:03 <Mekkis> how many 5-9s do we have now?
39:22 <Mort-> Yeah
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39:38 <Mort-> Hey mek did anyone try to grapple xanian yet?
39:49 <Mekkis> yes
39:50 <Mort-> I'm considering bracers of slick
39:52 <Mort-> Maybe
39:53 <Mort-> Lol
39:55 <Mekkis> they succeeded
39:59 <Mort-> Did it work?
40:01 <Mort-> Oh dear
40:02 <Mekkis> yes
40:04 <Mort-> What happened
40:09 <Mekkis> until the bard cast Grease
40:16 <Mort-> Ah
40:23 <Hydrazine> Good old grease.
40:33 <Mort-> I bet someone will try to tie xyn into a knot
40:40 <Avatar> really
40:46 <Hydrazine> No idea who would do something like that.
40:47 <Avatar> because I will take that bet
40:52 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6 strength check
40:54 <diebot> Mekkis, strength check: [1d20=11] 17
40:55 <Mekkis> !throw 1d20+6 strength check
40:56 <diebot> Mekkis, strength check: [1d20=20] 26
41:03 <Avatar> how much do you want to bet
41:07 <Mekkis> you kept him restrained for 12 seconds!
41:10 <Avatar> I will bet as much as you want
42:10 <Mort-> Seriously though if that person isn't immune to mind affecting..
42:19 <Mort-> Bite him and he has to drop me?
42:49 <Mort-> Frigtened means that they run from the creature that made them scared?
43:04 <Mort-> Btw avatar
43:12 <Mort-> Xyn found a ghast
43:21 <Mort-> So you said they never appear but they did
43:31 <Avatar> in a scenario?
43:45 <Mort-> In 6 scenarios i bet someone will try to tie xyn into a knot
43:46 <Mort-> Yes
43:49 <Mort-> She saw one
43:57 <Avatar> we only had that conversation a week ago
44:02 <Avatar> that was quick
44:06 <Urist> Hello
44:07 <Mort-> Yeah
44:11 <Mort-> She ran into one
44:12 <Avatar> urist
44:22 <Hydrazine> G'day Urist.
44:46 <Mort-> Good day
45:02 <Urist> Hey, Avatar, Hydra and Mort
45:31 <Urist> how is everyone?
45:41 <Hydrazine> Living the life.
45:54 <MekkisScreen> moin
45:56 <MekkisScreen> alive
46:17 <Urist> ah, good
46:25 <Urist> :)
47:17 <Mort-> So do i get chocolate chip cookie avatar?
47:25 <Mort-> I told you about ghasts
49:47 <Avatar> mort didn't you play penumbral accords
50:20 <Mort-> Yes i have
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50:37 <Mort-> I will be in infernal vaults on that time any way
50:47 <Avatar> oh sorry, wrong one
53:38 <Mort-> Lol
55:48 <Mort-> I wish i was not working tomorrow
55:49 <Mort-> Lol
58:24 * Mort- nibbles urist absentmindedly
59:27 <Urist> so for the assault on the kingdom  of impossible, which sarts tonight, what do i need, skype, and a map tool?
59:35 <Urist> starts*
00:01 <Mort-> Maptools dl version 87
00:27 <Mort-> Before the game starts they will tell you the server and address
00:39 <Mort-> You go connect to server and the port
01:00 <Urist> ah, will the skype cost money, cause if so ill need to put money into lol
01:06 <Mort-> No
01:11 <Urist> oh, good
01:12 <Mort-> Skype is free?
01:37 <Urist> is that a question or do you mean it?
01:42 <Urist> :P
02:19 <Mort-> I mean it
02:46 <Mort-> Tell them you're new to uhh
02:47 <Mort-> This
02:54 <Mort-> They will help you get started
03:20 <Urist> nice, i am quite new to the whole pathfinders online thing
03:22 <Mort-> Suggest you dl map tools and start playing with it
03:28 <Mort-> Skype too
03:36 <Urist> i have skype
06:24 <Urist> version 87, not version 1.3.87?
07:25 <Mort-> Ya the  last two number are 87
07:31 <Mort-> I forgot the first 2
07:34 <Mort-> :p
07:35 <Urist> ah, thank you
07:54 * Mort- is a mischevious mur
08:03 <Mort-> Oh and a piece of advise to give
08:11 <Urist> yeah?
08:26 <Mort-> At level 1- discretion is the better part of valour :d
08:55 <Urist> ill try to be discrete then haha
09:49 <Hydrazine> Don't take it too hard if you get hurt really badly a few times as a level 1.
09:56 <Mort-> Do you need the theory why,. :p
10:03 <Urist> what happens if i die?
10:04 <Mort-> I'm teaching him how to run :p
10:07 <Mort-> Re roll
10:24 <Urist> a new char yeah?
10:30 <Mort-> Yeah
10:39 <Mort-> Don't bother about coming cab
10:41 <Mort-> Back
10:55 <Mort-> You need at least 4 in order to try that one
11:10 <Avatar> anyone know if negative channelling is any good
11:19 <Hydrazine> Good in what way?
11:29 <Avatar> generally
11:29 <Hydrazine> Does it taste good on Pizza? Don't think so.
11:31 <Avatar> to kill shit
11:43 <Avatar> what other ways are there
11:43 <Hydrazine> Depends on how selectively you can channel I think.
11:52 <Avatar> I can selectively take out 2 people
11:59 <Urist> dont worry about me, had a strict GM,
12:04 <Hydrazine> if you channel to harm living, does it include you?
12:31 <Avatar> not me, no
12:44 <Hydrazine> so if you got 4 friendlies in 30ft.
12:48 <Hydrazine> one of them is gonna get channeled too.
13:11 <Avatar> yeah I want to know what it's like in practise
15:06 <Urist> one thing i say about negative channelling, dont use it on undead
15:15 <Urist> haha
15:25 <Hydrazine> turn on CA, Avatar.
15:33 <Hydrazine> Throw some red markers around, throw some friendly markers around.
15:34 <Mort-> Oh!
15:40 <Hydrazine> Now pick one and draw a 30ft circle.
15:44 <Hydrazine> Thats channel radius.
15:58 <Avatar> I know what channel radius is man
16:18 <Hydrazine> think about how often you're gonna have >2 other party members inside it.
16:23 <Hydrazine> I think it works out to 'most of the time'
16:38 <Avatar> maybe I can just run away a lot
16:55 <Avatar> or count on others running away
17:31 <Hydrazine> is this something you want to rely on?
17:36 <Avatar> there's always usually some people in melee and some people at range wanting to be as far as possible
18:01 <Avatar> maybe I should elaborate
18:09 <Avatar> a couple of feats I'm looking at
18:17 <Avatar> one of them lets me negative channel for 3d6 damage
18:33 <Avatar> another lets me channel as a move action spending 2 channels instead of 1, positive energy only
18:39 <Avatar> @ 4d6
18:50 <Avatar> potentially 8d6 if all I do is channel, spending 3 channels
19:05 <Mort-> How many channels do you have per day
19:05 <Avatar> or I can take something like spell penetration, but I'm leaning away from that
19:12 <Avatar> about 7 I think
19:14 <Avatar> it's a healer build
19:44 <Avatar> 8 per day
19:45 <Mort-> Question
20:03 <Mort-> Can you ready an action to channel negative on someone casting?
20:13 <Mort-> Interupt?
20:32 <Avatar> yeah of course
20:36 <Avatar> you can ready an action to do anything
21:15 <Mort-> Interesting
23:11 <Mort-> I would do quick channel though
23:24 <Mort-> Because if you were channeling you probably need it
23:36 <Avatar> what?
23:42 <Mort-> Consider the item that makes your channels more powerful
23:45 <Mort-> For gp
23:53 <Mort-> Whatever its called
24:26 <Avatar> I've already got a headband of wisdom
28:56 <Mort-> Huh its the same slot?
29:02 <Mort-> Thought it was different
29:23 <Mort-> Phalcentry of positive channeling?
30:46 <Urist> i have 2 questions, i've been invited to The Infernal Vault (tier 1-7) but am wondering is it is really going on for 20 hours?
31:06 <Urist> 2am-8pm
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32:12 <Mort-> Lol?
32:21 <Mort-> It isn't
32:25 <Mort-> Around 8 max
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32:34 <Mort-> Probably 4-6
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32:51 <Urist> phew, i was wondering haha
34:07 <Avatar> not 20 hours, shit
34:38 <Mort-> Ok generally point i wanted to make for urist
34:50 <Urist> go ahead
34:53 <Hydrazine> Depends. If we all die in the first encounter.. about 20 minutes.
35:04 <Mort-> Is that assault on the kingdom of impossible
35:17 <Avatar> time fixed
35:20 <Mort-> If there are higher level characters
35:32 <Mort-> Let them take the pounding
35:40 <Mort-> And you do some hiding :p
35:54 <Mort-> I say kalara did a decent job hiding :d
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36:22 <Urist> well that wouldn't be fun
36:32 <Hydrazine> not all the time.
36:35 <Hydrazine> but more fun than dying.
37:05 <Urist> i say i'll try not to be the centre of attention but i will fight
37:16 <Avatar> mort: the game is about cooperation, not hiding
37:36 <Mort-> Sure. Ill come out if i feel its appropriate to do so
37:42 <Mort-> Yes you can. From range
37:49 <Avatar> you are all HA HA HA let the pawns go first !
37:57 <Mort-> Use your animal companion to give the flanks
38:00 <Urist> i will, and i'll let the pig attack
38:04 <Mort-> Ya
38:21 <Mort-> Actually someone does think that way
38:23 <Mort-> :p
38:25 <Hydrazine> I'm just in favor of warning the new guy that level 1s can fall over pretty fast.
38:34 <Mort-> Yes
38:37 <Mort-> I'm warning him
38:39 <Hydrazine> That 7 hp or whatever doesn't last that long.
38:42 <Mort-> In my own way
38:44 <Mort-> 10
38:47 <Mort-> Whatever
38:50 <Mort-> Thats why i hid
38:59 <Hydrazine> My fighter, back at level 1..
39:12 <Hydrazine> He was dying atleast once a scenario.
39:19 <Hydrazine> Until level 3 atleast, I think.
39:29 <Mort-> Ok
39:31 <Mort-> Lol
39:34 <Hydrazine> Not all the way to dead, I mean. But laying on the ground, dying.
39:38 <Urist> i have 16 hp or is that wrong?
39:43 <Mort-> Probably 
39:53 <Mort-> 13 isn't though
40:01 <Hydrazine> you or the boar?
40:02 <Urist> HP:       	 16/16  (8/class + 1/con +(7/FC), +5 hp per level after 1st)
40:18 <Avatar> where did you get 7 from
40:18 <Hydrazine> Looks like 10.
40:20 <Urist> the boar is 13
40:37 <Urist> for the class feat
40:47 <Avatar> what class feat
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41:20 <Urist> ok, i am being stupid, gotta change it
41:25 <Urist> haha
42:04 <Hydrazine> 8 base, 1 con, 1 favored class if you want it.
42:05 <Hydrazine> So, 1.
42:06 <Hydrazine> 10
43:05 <Urist> thank you
43:26 <Urist> but 10 hp is good for level 1 right?
43:40 <Mort-> Decent
44:09 <Urist> its no barbarian i know but is alright
44:15 <Avatar> 10 is great
44:33 <Urist> thanks man
44:45 <Avatar> you can put that favoured class point into an extra skill point if you're feeling low there
46:23 <Urist> no im good thanks
47:37 <Mort-> :d
47:50 * Mort- bites urist
48:06 <Urist> so, does anyone want to look how my char sheet is going, i think i ironed out all the mistakes?
48:12 <Urist> ow
48:14 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 to hit for adios a sneaky mur
48:14 <diebot> Mort-, to hit for adios a sneaky mur: [1d20=18] 21
48:21 <Mort-> Lol
48:37 <Urist> that hp didnt help haha
48:39 <Mort-> !throw 1d6+2 damage
48:39 <diebot> Mort-, damage: [1d6=2] 4
48:53 <Urist> or it did, im alive !
48:55 <Mort-> :)
49:04 <Mort-> Unfortunately.
49:14 <Mort-> Real monsters also do this
49:28 <Urist> interesting concept bro
49:31 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 claw urist
49:31 <diebot> Mort-, claw urist: [1d20=4] 7
49:49 <Mort-> !throw 1d20+3 claw urist
49:49 <diebot> Mort-, claw urist: [1d20=3] 6
49:54 <Mort-> Lucky you
50:00 <Urist> nope, my AC is 19
50:03 <Mort-> But imagine if i hit :"
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50:29 <Urist> i know but you didnt, 
51:35 <Mort-> Sad casd.
51:45 <Mort-> Do i get smacked now? :(
52:26 <Urist> * Urist pats Mort
52:34 <Urist> its ok :P
53:29 <Urist> so...
55:23 <Mort-> Oh!
55:46 * Mort- feels sorry for being mean and gives urist a chocolate chip cookie
55:58 <Urist> no worries man 
59:12 <Mort-> Aw
59:28 <Mort-> Sowwie. I shouldnt have bit you
00:24 <Urist> so should i know anything about Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible? or is it better to go in blind?
05:47 <Avatar> always better blind
05:48 <Mort-> I can't tell you anything
05:51 <Mort-> Yes
05:53 <Avatar> except never play the darkest vengeance
06:06 <Mort-> All i can do is tell you what i have
06:20 <Mort-> Ie generic survival tips
09:03 <Mort-> If it were on a time more favourable to me i would get my synthesist to join you on that :p
09:43 <Hydrazine> Urist.
09:52 <Mort-> Lol
09:53 <Hydrazine> Dwarves aren't slowed down by armor. Still speed 20.
10:15 <Mort-> Ah shit i failed to pick that one out
10:23 <Mort-> Hydra link it down here?
10:34 <Hydrazine> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
11:41 <Hydrazine> Also, I would note your hardy racial trait differently. Considering that most poisons are actually fort saves, and spells can be any kind of save. Thats a really impressive racial looking at it again.
12:15 <Mekkis> Urist, you should know that Assault on the Kingdom of the Impossible is set on the Isle of Jalmeray, and you should read up about it
13:27 <Mort-> Spellies?
13:37 <Mort-> Mek i did my home work on city of strangers :p
13:46 <Mekkis> I know
13:50 <Mort-> I read the whole book!
13:54 <Mekkis> did you read about The White Lady?
14:12 <Mort->  It didn't stick in my mind
14:23 <Mekkis> does it stick in your mind now?
14:23 <Mort-> I just remembered the districts
14:33 <Mort-> And the hand gliders
14:42 <Mort-> Crazy gnomes
14:54 <Hydrazine> Handle animal is a class skill. +3 bonus.
15:07 <Mort-> I spent last scenario as an undead critter ffs ><
15:12 <Mekkis> I know
15:21 <Mort-> Still. I think people are nuts
15:30 <Mort-> To think of doing such a thing
15:47 <Mort-> I ran out once i found out lol
15:56 <Mekkis> I think I'll go Paladin
16:00 <Mekkis> it's either that or Ranger
16:05 <Mort-> Ok
16:08 <Mort-> I don't mind
16:17 <Mort-> Always good to have someone to draw the flak
16:18 <Hydrazine> You should note down the actual attack and damage die rolls for your boar, similar in format to the section for yourself.
16:31 <Mort-> I can always humor you and pretend to be goody
16:52 * Mort- grows a pair of horns
17:16 <Hydrazine> So gore, +3 attack (1 base+1str+1size), 1d6+1 damage.
17:24 <Hydrazine> crits on a 20.
17:34 <Mort-> There isn't anyway you can push your beliefs onto me right
17:48 <Mekkis> should I call myself a ranger, a fighter, a cavalier or a barbarian?
17:51 <Mekkis> or a bard?
17:59 <Mort-> Spells!
18:01 <Hydrazine> Otherwise I think you mat end up cheating your boar out of his proper modifiers, and that would be sad.
18:04 <Mort-> Bard!
18:08 <Mekkis> that works
18:11 <Hydrazine> cleric!
18:13 <Mort-> He forgot his spells
18:22 <Mekkis> Bards can cast CLW
18:25 <Mort-> A singing pally is awesome!
18:44 <Mort-> Ill get grull to join you dancing
19:09 <Mort-> Actually i think cavaliers are close to pally
19:12 <Hydrazine> Also, how'd you get the pig proficient in medium?
19:44 <Mort-> Animal companions have bonus feats
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20:32 <Hydrazine> I feel really silly if I'm doing all this and hes not here.
20:32 <Mort-> Animal companions have bonus feats some
20:45 <Mort-> I think he will get back to read it
20:45 <Hydrazine> I thought the companion only got 1 feat.
20:57 <Mort-> I didn't really count
21:00 <Mekkis> I don't think they do get bonus feats
21:06 <Mort-> They do
21:14 <Hydrazine> They get feats.
21:18 <Mekkis> [citation needed]
21:25 <Hydrazine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/animal-companions
22:17 <Mort-> 1 feat though
22:24 <Hydrazine> Precisely my point.
22:27 <Mort-> Which should give only light prof
22:33 * Hydrazine nods.
22:54 <Mort-> I didn't really count because i was on cell
23:11 <Mort-> I know i would want to give my animal companion pounce :p
23:20 <Mekkis> it says feats
23:21 <Mort-> But i don't think its possible
23:27 <Mekkis> not bonus feats
23:31 <Mekkis> the feats are based on HD
23:35 <Mekkis> like feats always are
23:42 <Mort-> Feats 1
23:49 <Mekkis> yes
23:49 <Urist> so, it shoud be profiecient in light armour only?
23:53 <Mekkis> not bonus feats
23:57 <Mort-> He still gets to pick a feat?
24:12 <Mort-> So yeah light armor 
24:21 <Mort-> And your spells!
24:23 <Mekkis> In My Opinion, it's a waste to get Light Armour proficiency
24:26 <Mort-> Don't forget them
24:42 <Urist> i wont thanks 
24:47 <Mort-> Your on a flying roc and you don't get hit
24:48 <Mekkis> I would suggest to just give it leather armour (which has no check penalty), and leave it at that
24:54 <Urist> so what should i get for him?
24:57 <Mort-> Of course it a waste of time for you
25:01 <Hydrazine> Well, he can prepare his spells when he has some idea of the game, right? But an idea of a general lineup for spells isn't bad.
25:02 <Mekkis> the boar already gets +6 natural armour
25:11 <Mort-> Leaf armour
25:14 <Mekkis> if you want the boar to be attacking, power attack
25:17 <Mort-> But expensive
25:43 <Mort-> Mek. Should i get a big cat or small cat for grull.
25:50 <Hydrazine> Mek brings up a good point. Power attack is a great option if you want the boar to hit hard.
25:51 <Mort-> Small cat?
26:05 <Mekkis> what?
26:11 <Mort-> +2 to damage
26:29 <Mekkis> per hit
26:30 <Hydrazine> It doesn't look like your druid does alot of damage personally.
26:33 <Mort-> When he gets an animal companion
26:36 <Hydrazine> But your call man.
26:49 <Mort-> Tiger or cheetah?
26:54 <Mekkis> Mort-, beastmaster archetype, roc?
26:56 <Mekkis> :P
27:02 <Mekkis> Axe Beak?
27:04 <Mort-> No
27:12 <Mort-> im just a normal ranger
27:18 <Mort-> No archtypes
27:30 <Mort-> Axe beak i would need qfp
27:36 <Mort-> Whicp i already played
27:59 <Mort-> Besides they don't trip on hit
28:05 <Mort-> Just trip on charge
28:12 <Mekkis> Velociraptor
28:22 <Mort-> Got trip?
28:26 <Hydrazine> Take a philosoraptor instead.
28:38 <Hydrazine> He'll trip... their minds.
28:46 <Mort-> What's so good on the velociraptnr
28:51 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, but philosoraptors aren't 10000rpm drives
29:04 <Mekkis> Mort-, the IMAGE!
29:14 <Hydrazine> Having a dinosaur.
29:22 <Mekkis> also: they're really fast
29:28 <Mekkis> so they'll keep the enemy away from you
29:29 <Hydrazine> Its kinda like how I always wanted a shark companion for a druid.
29:32 <Mekkis> so you can shoot them
29:45 <Hydrazine> But I've yet to play in a game with enough oceanic scenes to make it work.
30:00 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, druids can change their companions with little cost
30:02 <Mort-> I fight better close range
30:07 <Mort-> Sorry
30:08 <Mekkis> oh
30:08 <Mort-> Lol
30:13 <Mort-> I want to get close
30:27 <Mekkis> get a constrictor then
30:28 <Mort-> I am not one of those archery types
30:33 <Mort-> For?
30:43 <Mort-> Why not a tripper
30:43 <Mekkis> the grab and constrict
31:08 <Hydrazine> Urist, any questions, or you got it all set now?
31:28 <Mort-> Ideally i want my companion to be my flank buddy
31:35 <Mekkis> Mort-, sure
31:42 <Mort-> So i want speed and anything that will help me with attacks
31:49 <Mekkis> when they're grappled, you get behind them, and they're flanked!
31:55 <Mort-> That's why i came up with trip
32:00 <Mekkis> and they're not moving away
32:05 <Mekkis> but trip is SO boring!
32:08 <Hydrazine> except grappling people don't threaten
32:09 <Mort-> And my animal companion takes 2 to ac
32:12 <Mort-> Yeah
32:16 <Mort-> Lol
32:35 <Mekkis> I thought grappling people didn't threaten except the people they're grappling
32:52 <Mekkis> <?grappled
32:53 <diebot> A grappled creature is restrained by a creature, trap, or effect. Grappled creatures cannot move and take a 4 penalty to Dexterity. A grappled creature takes a 2 penalty on all attack rolls and combat maneuver checks, except those made to grapple or escape a grapple. In addition, grappled creatures can take no action
32:53 <diebot> that requires two hands to perform. A grappled character who attempts to cast a spell or use a spell-like ability must make a concentration check (DC 10 + grappler's CMB + spell level), or lose the spell. Grappled creatures cannot make attacks of opportunity. // A grappled creature cannot use Stealth to hide from the
32:53 <diebot> creature grappling it, even if a special ability, such as hide in plain sight, would normally allow it to do so. If a grappled creature becomes invisible, through a spell or other ability, it gains a +2 circumstance bonus on its CMD to avoid being grappled, but receives no other benefit.
32:54 <Hydrazine> but if the grappler can pin reliably, its a much better AC change tripping or flanking.
33:11 <Mort-> A snake won't be as good as hoku
33:19 <Mort-> But half way decent i suppose
33:27 <Mort-> I still think tripping is better
33:54 <Mort-> Ok question
34:10 <Mort-> Does the animal companion get all the blocks of starting stats
34:17 <Mort-> Like a normal animal?
34:41 <Hydrazine> I believe so?
34:48 <Mort-> Like small cats start with weapon finesse
34:51 <Hydrazine> Not my strong area.
34:57 <Mort-> Because they have 21 dex
35:30 <Mekkis> I think so
35:41 <Urist> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/boar.html
35:49 <Hydrazine> I believe it would, just as the wolf would get the trip feature.
35:58 <Urist> its 18 hp not 13
36:01 <Hydrazine> Sounds comparable
36:21 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/animals/cat-great/cheetah
36:30 <Hydrazine> No, Urist.
36:32 <Mort-> Animal companions do not get full hp
36:54 <Urist> ah, 2/3 hp?
37:59 <Hydrazine> formula is 4.5hp per hit die. Then modified by con and such.
38:31 <Urist> ok, so 2 hd,(9) +
38:43 <Hydrazine> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/classes/druid.html#_druid
38:59 <Hydrazine> There it says that all animal companions start with 2 HD.
39:07 <Hydrazine> and d8 hitdie at that.
39:51 <Hydrazine> Hmm.
39:52 <Avatar> 5 players locked in for the saturday game
40:15 <Hydrazine> So I know eidolons use 1.5 str mod if they have only a single natural attack.
40:26 <Hydrazine> Does this apply to other creatures, or is it an eidolon specific?
40:44 <Mekkis> it's to everyone
40:45 <Mort-> If i choose to make only one natural attack
40:55 <Mort-> I do 1.5 str mod?
41:12 <Mort-> Ok next time i charge it will be 1d6+5 damage
41:13 <Hydrazine> Can you cite me this, Mek?
41:34 <Hydrazine> Is it different if you HAVE multiple attacks and use only one, or only if you only have that one attack period?
41:52 <Mekkis> only if you have one attack.
41:54 <Mekkis> period
41:58 <Hydrazine> Thought so.
41:58 <Mort-> Ok
42:04 <Mort-> Fair enough
42:06 <Hydrazine> I'd still like to see something on it.
42:10 <Mort-> I am a monster :d
42:32 <Hydrazine> And you mean everyone that has natural attacks, right? Huh.. Does it work for monks?
43:04 <Hydrazine> Wow.. That makes a damaging animal companion pretty fearsome.
43:23 <Mekkis> don't think it works for monks
44:16 <Hydrazine> oh! You actually can't start with a powerattacking pig.
44:26 <Mort-> 13 str?
44:58 <Hydrazine> Can't take it until level 2.
45:21 <Mort-> Bab?
45:32 <Hydrazine> Just a weird clause.
46:02 <Hydrazine> Still, a level 2 druid rocking around with a boar that does 1d6+4 a shot.
46:13 <Urist> no it has 13 str
46:27 <Urist> Ability Scores 
46:28 <Urist> Str 13,
46:28 <Urist> Dex 12,
46:28 <Urist> Con 15, 
46:28 <Urist> Int 2,
46:28 <Urist> Wis 13, 
46:28 <Urist> Cha 4;
46:45 <Hydrazine> You could stick with light armor prof if you really want that tough bacon.
47:31 <Mort-> Pigs should have higher cha
47:37 <Mort-> Who doesn't like babe
47:50 <Urist> doesn't not get Power attack?
47:57 <Urist> it not*
48:01 <Hydrazine> Difference between a cute little pink domestic pig and a wild boar, Mort.
48:11 <Mort-> Come on
48:18 <Hydrazine> No, you can't get power attack on it until level 2.
48:22 <Mort-> I bet his pig is cute too
48:39 <Urist> its missing his right ear haha
48:49 <Mort-> :(
48:49 <Urist> and has a scar
48:53 <Mort-> Regenerate
48:54 <Mort-> !
49:00 <Urist> its a badass boar
49:02 <Hydrazine> http://0.tqn.com/d/urbanlegends/1/0/4/0/1/wild_boar_1.jpg
49:26 <Urist> thats him
49:36 <Mort-> :(
49:39 <Urist> well alive :P
49:43 <Hydrazine> Think he needs to grow some. That looks like atleast a medium size hog.
49:49 <Hydrazine> He'll get there.
49:57 <Urist> haha true
49:57 <Mort-> I imagined him cuter :(
49:58 <Hydrazine> Make Porky work out.
50:05 * Mort- is sad
50:17 <Hydrazine> Man, you know how many food jokes we might end up making?
50:26 * Mort- will think coze as a pink pig
50:27 <Hydrazine> Shame you probably won't be partied up with Jerus..
50:28 <Urist> so, will i give him light armour prof
50:42 <Urist> who is Jerus?
50:48 <Hydrazine> Hes my fighter.
50:53 <Hydrazine> Level 5 now. He hits things.
50:54 <Mort-> Should i start making halal jokes?
50:58 <Mort-> Better not :p
51:06 <Hydrazine> !findchar Jerus
51:07 <Mort-> Racial sensitivty
51:11 <diebot> Hydrazine, Character: Jerus, number: 352( http://dnd.ballig.net/viewchar.php5?char=352 )
51:18 <Mort-> But its a bit of a jerk thing to do
51:19 <Hydrazine> I think hes up to date.
51:24 <Mort-> So yeah better not
51:40 <Hydrazine> wtf site.
51:42 <Hydrazine> Why you no update.
51:47 <Mort-> Grull would play with coze
52:10 <Mort-> Because site no like you big yeller
53:06 * Mort- curls her tail around hydrazine
53:41 <Hydrazine> Hes pretty much just a big dumb fighter, really.
53:56 <Hydrazine> But hey, there tends to be a good number of problems that a big dumb fighter can fix.
53:59 <Mort-> You have 13 int ffs
54:04 <Mort-> Yeah
54:10 <Mort-> I like hiding behind you
54:15 * Mort- hides
54:49 <Hydrazine> Even if he is smarter than the average bear, I'm just getting the point across. Jerus is better at hitting things than anything else.
55:21 <Urist> yeah true that
55:44 <Urist> he is level 5 though :P
56:04 <Mort-> Yeah
56:22 <Hydrazine> Well, he was good at hitting stuff at lower levels too!
56:28 <Mort-> We have other forms
56:45 <Mort-> I haven't started hitting stuff till recently
56:45 <Hydrazine> But he also used to be really good at taking alot of damage too. Hes getting better at that.
57:00 <Hydrazine> Yeah, most of us have a couple characters.
57:13 <Hydrazine> I think I'm at 4, and not yet ready for a 5th.
57:18 <Mort-> Avatar was complaining why my magus hid at the back :p
57:23 <Mort-> 3?
57:24 <Urist> ah, ill Still to Volack til i get good with him
57:32 <Hydrazine> good idea.
57:40 <Hydrazine> get a few games in, see how you feel.
57:43 <Urist> but alot of effort into him
57:49 <Urist> exactly
57:50 <Mort-> Yeah at one point the channel was complaining
57:54 <Hydrazine> Its how you get attached.
57:55 <Urist> put*
58:09 <Hydrazine> Because Mort made a new character every 3 days.
58:12 <Hydrazine> Or so it seemed
58:14 <Mort-> About me rolling too many toons
58:15 <Mort-> Yeah
58:35 <Mort-> But i more or less hang around in the right place right?
58:43 <Urist> no ill stick to the druid, i like the pig, haha
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59:17 * Mort- wonders what kind of food jokes you would get
59:39 <Hydrazine> If you're hungry for a hunk of fat juicy meat..
59:41 <Mort-> Honestly most of my characters have no sense of humor
59:46 <Mort-> Haven't gotten that one right yet
00:06 <Mort-> Imo its insulting to do that
00:26 <Mort-> If i were the druid in question id get my boar to poke you
00:32 <Hydrazine> Insulting? Possibly. Depends on the characters involved.
00:36 <Mort-> Yes
00:52 <Hydrazine> But likely still funny.
00:54 <Mort-> How could you even think of eating my animal companion
01:17 <Mort-> *flies into a rage and tells boar to charge*
01:45 <Hydrazine> Hoku? He's have fun with that.
01:54 <Hydrazine> Crikey!
02:02 <Hydrazine> Isn't she a beauuuuuty?
02:07 <Mort-> Or id explain to my boar what you were doing
02:14 <Mort-> Then id love hoku
02:26 <Mort-> And start telling him stories about my boar
02:43 <Mort-> Like i found him when he was a wee little one
02:58 <Mort-> Some mean hunter actually set up a spiked pit for him
03:08 <Mort-> How horrible wot?
04:17 <Mort-> But somehow i don't think any of my characters have too much of a sense of humor
05:00 <Mort-> Strange...
05:31 <Urist> Summon Nature's Ally I: Summons creature to fight., does that mean i can have 2 animals, temporarly ofc
05:43 <Mort-> Yes
05:55 <Mort-> It takes 1 round to summon but feel free
06:07 <Mort-> Level 1 summon just summon eagles for damage
06:11 <Hydrazine> fair chance it could be really useful.
06:17 <Mort-> They have a bite and 2 talonr
06:19 <Mort-> S
06:32 <Urist> do i choose the other one or does it have be random?
06:52 <Mort-> I need to make a list for xyn on occasions she is caught without her suit
06:54 <Urist> and how lond does it last?
06:56 <Mort-> You choose
07:11 <Urist> long*
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07:12 <Mort-> As per spell - usually one round per level
07:28 <Urist> so, 1 round
07:49 <Mort-> You spend 1 round summoning
08:00 <Hydrazine> Are you comfortable with the overall changes in the rules between 3.5 and pfs?
08:07 <Mort-> Next round it attackthen its gone
08:13 <Mort-> Once you're level 2 it lasts 2 rounds
08:26 <Urist> im not to sure with the 3.5 rules anyway so what i see it like
08:34 <Hydrazine> Ah.
08:39 <Hydrazine> Mkay then
08:43 <Urist> but is it summoned into the action
08:51 <Mort-> No
09:04 <Mort-> Summoning takes 1 full round
09:08 <Urist> so it would need to fly into battle,
09:11 <Mort-> You don't get it till next turn
09:11 <Urist> from me
09:31 <Urist> i know, im just asking do i summon it on myslef?
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10:09 <Mort-> You can select where you want to summon it
10:11 <Mort-> Like next to the enemy to give your allies flanks
10:11 <Mort-> No
10:11 <Mort-> Within spell radius
10:32 <Urist> and the radius is?
10:39 <Hydrazine> 25 feet.
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10:42 <Urist> np ill look it up
10:46 <Urist> oh thanks
10:53 <Mort-> And 5 ft per 2 levels
11:10 <Hydrazine> Though really, you could do a bunch of reading about your spells. See what they do, know what options you got.
11:22 <Mort-> Yes he should
11:31 <Mort-> Better then my first game
11:41 <Mort-> Ran in not knowing anything at all
11:48 <Hydrazine> Did I tell you what I did for Lyta?
11:54 <Mort-> What?
12:04 <Mort-> She has reggie i know
12:09 <Hydrazine> Made a text file of full spell data for every spell she knows.
12:10 <Mort-> And he is fluffeh!
12:16 <Hydrazine> Hes a bunny!
12:21 <Mort-> Lol i don't really need
12:25 <Mort-> Yes he is a bunny
12:39 <Mort-> And we are both delusioned :d
12:59 <Mort-> Should really pair grull up with her
13:21 <Mort-> Please help grull with his thinking though
14:13 <Urist> so, im thinking for tonight my three level 0 spells to be two Stabilize and one virtue
14:14 <Hydrazine> He thinks?
14:24 <Mort-> Not much.
14:31 <Mort-> It gives him a headache
14:39 <Mort-> No
14:50 <Mort-> Cantrips are unlimited
14:56 <Urist> and Summon Natures ally for the level 1 spell
15:05 <Mort-> You don't need to have same spell memorized twice
15:15 <Mort-> For cantrips
15:21 <Urist> but i can only use it twice?
15:24 <Mort-> So you can have one stabilize one virtue
15:27 <Mort-> Unlimited
15:35 <Hydrazine> No no.
15:37 <Mort-> For cantrips
15:41 <Hydrazine> You pick 3 cantrips for the day.
15:43 <Urist> ah, that makes alot more sence
15:45 <Hydrazine> You can use them allll day.
15:48 <Mort-> Unlimited use
15:49 <Hydrazine> Many times as you please.
16:07 <Urist> but they take up 1 round yeah?
16:18 <Mort-> One standard action
16:23 <Hydrazine> Well, perhaps you need to read up some on action types.
16:35 <Mort-> You can still move after
17:01 <Mort-> Some spells like summoning. Enlargimg your big stupid fighter in party
17:02 <Mort-> Require full round actions.
17:26 <Hydrazine> The danger of full round action spells, is being hit or messed with while your casting.
17:36 <Mort-> Most spells are standard actions
17:36 <Mort-> A few are even swift actions -ie grace
17:39 <Hydrazine> Well, its a danger with any casting, but more so when they actually have a whole round to go at you.
18:10 <Urist> ok, cool, ill look them up though
18:19 <Urist> so * not though
18:33 <Urist> anyway just had a stupid idea
18:45 <Mort-> And you can't move more then 
18:45 <Mort-> 5 ft that round
18:45 <Mort-> But because of that those spells are considerably more powerful
18:45 <Mort-> As well
18:45 <Mort-> Enlarging jerus is morts favourite past time
18:45 <Mort-> Generally
18:55 <Hydrazine> Heh.
19:05 <Urist> you know natures ally? can i summon a shark?
19:41 <Urist> on land
20:02 <Urist> get it into the thick of it, for 1 round 
20:02 <Hydrazine> Not a good idea for you I would think.
20:17 <Urist> why not, against druidic code
20:22 <Hydrazine> And kind of.. well, mean for a druid, no?
20:39 <Urist> yeah, it would be cruel
20:39 * Mort- looks foward to shark fin soup
20:59 <Mort-> There is one philosophy that summoned creatures are just aspects of the real thing
21:11 <Urist> but the amountof damge it would do
21:19 <Mort-> Thus they do not suffer permanent harm when they are summoned to do battle
21:34 <Urist> but it would be character breaking
21:49 <Mort-> That's the philosophy people use when they use summoned animals to set off traps
21:58 <Mort-> Mort the wizard has never done so before
22:10 <Urist> haha suuure :P
22:34 <Mort-> But unseen servants - being inanimate - are fair game
23:19 <Mort-> Mort the wizard is neutral good btw
23:21 <Mort-> So.
23:29 <Mort-> She doesn't do bad things
23:47 <Mort-> I'm not sure how long she is going to remain neutral good though
25:51 <Urist> power currupts, absolute power currupts absolutely
26:01 <Mort-> Its not power
26:02 <Hydrazine> the shark isn't that impressive really.
26:06 <Hydrazine> 1d8+4? Eh.
26:11 <Mort-> That she might fall for
26:11 <Hydrazine> Barely more than Piggy.
26:26 <Urist> the pig is...
26:34 <Mort-> Its getting tired of watching people die in front of her
26:37 <Hydrazine> 1d6+1.
26:41 <Hydrazine> But its a level 3 shark.
26:48 <Mort-> And being unable to stop it
26:51 <Urist> 1d6+1
26:52 <Hydrazine> level 3 piggy could easily do 1d6+4.
27:09 <Mort-> ^^
27:10 <Mort-> Pa
27:31 <Mort-> Must get nastier.
27:46 <Mort-> Will learn necromancy
27:52 <Urist> so if i pick light armour for 1st level when do i get to pick a new feat for Coze?
28:02 <Hydrazine> Level 2.
28:12 <Urist> a feat per level?
28:17 <Mort-> No
28:18 <Urist> do i get that?
28:25 <Hydrazine> No.
28:27 <Mort-> Check your animal companion progression level
28:32 <Hydrazine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/animal-companions
28:34 <Hydrazine> see table.
28:36 <Urist> will do
28:49 <Urist> thanks Hydra
28:55 <Hydrazine> Welcome.
29:03 <Hydrazine> I try to be a resource to my fellow players.
29:08 <Mort-> Maybe one day it might be a good idea to learn shadow shadow projection
29:08 <Hydrazine> Share, and enjoy!
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29:43 <Mort-> He is a walking encyclopedia
29:46 <Mort-> You should try him on combat maneuvers.
29:48 <Urist> will do, so it can lern Power Attack at Lvl 2?
29:51 <Hydrazine> I think I know the books pretty well, overall. The more I can share it with my fellow players, the stronger the table will be.
29:53 <Hydrazine> Yes.
29:55 <Mort-> Frankly i rarely do that
29:56 <Mort-> Yes
30:13 <Urist> cool,
30:24 * Mort- is small and furry and has 4 paws
30:31 <Urist> and its still 1000xp for level 2 progression
30:36 <Mort-> No
30:41 <Urist> as to get to level 2
30:43 <Mort-> In pfs we go by scenarios
30:54 <Mort-> Play 3 scenarios and ding you're level 2
31:07 <Urist> nice and same with piggy?
31:14 <Mort-> Yeah
31:19 <Hydrazine> Piggy gains stuff as you level.
31:36 <Urist> cool,
31:37 <Mort-> Your animal companion follows your level
31:49 <Mort-> You're really making me wish i could get xyn to follow you tomorrow :p
32:05 <Urist> eho is Xyn?
32:09 <Urist> who*
32:17 <Mort-> Then you get to see what wildshaped druids can do :p
32:19 <Mort-> My synthesist
32:24 <Mort-> She is a big scary monster
32:25 <Urist> ah,
32:29 <Mort-> Xyniel
32:32 <Mort-> Level 3
32:39 <Hydrazine> Oh, Urist.
32:48 <Hydrazine> You got handle animal and bonus tricks.
32:52 <Mort-> Yeah
33:00 <Urist> yeah?
33:09 <Mort-> You should teach him combat training/attack
33:09 <Hydrazine> Take a look at the handle animal skill and see what Hammy knows how to do.
33:10 <Mort-> Or something
33:18 <Mort-> Coze
33:18 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I'd say combat training.
34:01 <Hydrazine> I shall persist in using pork related names in discussing this boar. I'm a player, so when I do it, Its not insulting.
34:23 <Mort-> Being a synthesist you have more then one life fused into your own
34:30 <Urist> not insulted by it
34:35 <Mort-> It gives you unnaturally high vitality
34:48 <Mort-> I would get insulted if you did it in game
34:53 <Mort-> In the name of rp
35:00 <Mort-> Though. Be it in my position
35:22 <Mort-> I mean hydra
35:37 <Mort-> If i wanted to eat your puppy wouldn't you punch me in the face?
36:05 <Hydrazine> So, if you use your bonus tricks to have him trained in combat, this gives you certain commands he'll obey.
36:29 <Urist> like a pokemon haha
36:32 <Hydrazine> Remember what Lyta said when someone talked about killing Sir Reginald?
36:41 <Hydrazine> Kinda, except you can teach him more than four.
36:51 <Hydrazine> Six, in fact. Combat training includes 5.
37:28 <Urist> cool, how many, retreat, charge, gore, eh sneak
37:38 <Hydrazine> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/handle-animal
38:25 <Hydrazine> Oh, cool. It CAN know 7.
39:07 <Urist> yeah?
39:11 <Urist> thanks man
39:28 <Urist> so, track, attack, heel
39:56 <Urist> down
40:16 <Urist> come and defend
40:38 <Hydrazine> Not sure how DMs handle trick teaching in PFS.
40:46 <Mort-> You said something about gutting
41:15 <Hydrazine> Thats just how boars attack.
41:18 <Hydrazine> Not something specific.
41:26 <Urist> agoring?
41:34 <Mort-> After every scenario you roll handle animal
41:34 <Mort-> To see if you get it
41:35 <Mort-> Saw mek do it on itzamna
41:58 <Urist> goring*
42:00 <Mort-> You said you would gut them with a dagger
42:08 <Urist> what do you mean?
42:11 <Hydrazine> Kinda silly though to say a level 1 druid doesn't start with an already somewhat trained companion.
42:12 <Mort-> Grull will help too!
42:18 <Mort-> But he will use his double ax
42:24 <Mort-> He likes reggie
42:34 <Hydrazine> Oh, yes. You're talking about Lyta.
42:43 <Urist> dont kill my pig ! haha
42:48 <Mort-> No
42:51 <Hydrazine> Yeah, I think it was 'gutting them like a fish' or something similar.
42:56 <Mort-> You theatn people 
43:13 <Mort-> Lyta doesn't gut people well
43:14 <Urist> oh, thats good ill use that
43:45 <Mort-> Get grull do it. Grull good at gutting things
43:51 <Urist> anyway ill brb
43:55 <Hydrazine> Jerus could be.
44:01 <Hydrazine> If he felt like picking up something sharp.
44:46 <Mort-> Heh
44:59 <Mort-> i did that uber coup de grace on that boss :p
45:18 <Mort-> If Stevens doodad did it that guy might have saved
45:25 <Mort-> 1d8x3 only
45:42 <Mort-> Mine was 1d6+7 xa
45:44 <Mort-> X2
46:02 <Mort-> No
46:14 <Mort-> 1d8+6 x2
47:03 <Mort-> 2 handed cleave down of course
49:19 <Hydrazine> Theres this trick involving the finished cleave tree and a sack full of rats..
54:08 <Urist> ok, back, so my pig can learn 7 tricks with combat training?
55:07 <Mort-> Yes i know you knocked down 3 ghouls like domino s last game
55:27 <Mort-> That was beautiful to watch though
00:04 <Hydrazine> 7 tricks, total.
00:29 <Hydrazine> attack, down, and stay are the three for a purpose. combat training is rather specifically for mounts.
01:10 <Mort-> Guard?
01:19 <Mort-> Heel?
02:30 <Hydrazine> I'd think attack, down, stay, guard, and heel are the important ones.
02:47 <Hydrazine> Maybe even seek.. Hows its perception?
02:50 <Urist> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
03:05 <Hydrazine> 20 foot move speed with armor.
03:14 <Hydrazine> You're a dwarf. Dwarves slow down for NOTHING.
03:25 <Urist> ok, thanks making the changes now
03:40 <Hydrazine> Also, your will saves are misleading.
03:53 <Hydrazine> Hardy: Dwarves receive a +2 racial bonus on saving throws against poison, spells, and spell-like abilities.
03:53 <Urist> yeah?
04:11 <Hydrazine> Poisons are usually fort saves, while spells and SLAs can be any type of save.
04:36 <Hydrazine> I'd say leave will as a +6 and tell DMs about hardy every time they make you roll saves.
05:10 <Urist> ok, will do
06:38 <Urist> any other changes?
06:42 <Hydrazine> Oh, you could also use a battleaxe if you want.
07:05 <Hydrazine> Or a warhammer. You get proficiency for being a dwarf.
07:32 <Urist> yeah im profient in them, i might choose the axe, for slashing
07:44 <Hydrazine> +3 bonus to handle animal because its a class skill.
07:48 <Mort-> Uh not too druidic :p
08:06 <Hydrazine> Also another +4 when dealing specifically with Porkchop.
08:24 <Hydrazine> May not be very DRUIDIC, but its very Dwarf, and he is both.
08:25 <Urist> ok, will change
08:40 <Mort-> True
09:04 <Mort-> Porkchop is such a horrid name
09:06 <Hydrazine> Oh, you don't get the class skill benefit if you don't have ranks in the skill.
09:10 <Mort-> Can we call him fluffy?
09:14 <Hydrazine> So your climb mod really is a -5.
09:33 <Hydrazine> ..Better get the party to haul your ass up.
09:55 <Hydrazine> Or take the armor off and deal with a flat d20.
10:46 * Mort- waits for hydra to help her up
10:58 <Mort-> Again you would probably tell me to fly up myself
11:53 <Urist> what is a standard climb DC?
12:05 <Mort-> 10/15
12:28 <Urist> so i would have to roll 15 - 20
12:44 <Urist> and your so vunrible when climbing
12:53 <Mort-> Some climb checks can be made with 10
12:54 <Hydrazine> But thats life.
12:57 <Mort-> Some need 15
13:01 <Hydrazine> Sometimes things happen.
13:10 <Urist> yeah, true
13:15 <Hydrazine> If your party is really trying and you're all very prepared, it could be a dc 5.
13:30 <Mort-> We thought artimus would drown in his armor when he fell off the boat
13:32 <Mort-> :p
14:04 <Urist> its less than 8 hours to game time now, im getting excited now
14:05 <Hydrazine> Oh, Kevin Bacon also gets two skills.
14:19 <Urist> in what?
14:28 <Mort-> You choose
14:36 <Hydrazine> I'd suggest stealth! Teach him seek and use him to scout.
14:51 <Urist> perception and scout?
14:55 <Mort-> You could make him choose fly and get some jokes about airpork
14:57 <Hydrazine> Well, wait. I guess that doesn't work since he can't communicate it back to you.
15:05 <Mort-> Extra perception never hurt
15:11 <Mort-> He is a druid
15:11 <Hydrazine> Can't take fly as a skill unless you have a way of flying.
15:17 <Mort-> Speak with animals? :p
15:30 <Urist> yeah i was about to say
15:42 <Mort-> But its a level 1 spell
15:49 <Urist> so ill pick speak with animals instead of summon animal
15:50 <Hydrazine> If he had stealth, he'd get like.. +6 at it, I think?
15:59 <Mort-> I saw a ranger use his hawk
16:02 <Hydrazine> 1 rank, 1 dex 4 size?
16:08 <Mort-> But its a really rough form of scout
16:15 <Hydrazine> yeah, possibly not worth it.
16:42 <Mort-> He sends his bird in and sees if it gets aggitated
17:08 <Hydrazine> Get rid of that power attack bit, for now. He doesn't have it yet.
17:11 <Urist> will i be in a dungeon or in a big kingdom?
17:13 <Mort-> I tell you sargon will get aranish killed some day
17:20 <Mort-> Depending on scenario
17:41 <Hydrazine> Depends where they send ya.
17:52 <Urist> cool, 
18:02 <Mort-> Kalara had to run into a room with a big ugly monster to save the rangers bird?
18:03 <Hydrazine> Generally atleast part of a scenario is outside, I think. Even if its mostly travel.
18:13 <Urist> the anticipation is killing me, i hope they let me join
18:19 <Hydrazine> Who?
18:26 <Mort-> Then grull had to chase a cat off
18:31 <Mort-> To save the bird
18:46 <Mort-> Caleths ranger
19:04 <Mort-> Has a glass cannon for an animal companion
19:20 <Mort-> Hits at like 1d20+3 3 times as a level 1
19:27 <Mort-> Falconer archtype
19:34 <Mort-> 5 hp
19:42 <Hydrazine> ooh, magic fang for Ham. That could be really useful later.
20:16 <Mort-> Yeah
20:19 <Mort-> Ghostie?
20:29 <Mort-> Magic fangs on fluffy!
20:47 <Urist> so, as my level 0 i should choose, magic fang, resistance and ...
21:24 <Urist> stabilize
21:25 <Hydrazine> I am the wrong person to discuss spell selection with.
21:27 <Mort-> Magic fang is level 1
21:30 <Mort-> Lol
21:35 <Urist> damn haha
21:46 <Mort-> I'm the magical one of us two
21:50 <Mort-> Unfortunately
21:55 <Hydrazine> Wanna learn about combat maneuvers? I got that.
22:04 <Hydrazine> Spell selection though?
22:07 <Mort-> I don't ever play a divine caster
22:17 <Hydrazine> Theres a reason my only spell caster doesn't even cast that much.
22:40 <Mort-> Because i don't want anything telling me what i may or may not do
22:57 <Urist> cool, so magic fang for level one?
23:02 <Hydrazine> But clerics and oracles are COOL, Mort.
23:39 <Mort-> I told you i don't want any god telling me what i should or should not do
23:59 <Hydrazine> Oracles don't have to be particularly religious.
24:20 <Urist> or speak to animals?
24:43 <Mort-> Level 0 i would do stabilize
24:47 <Mort-> Create water
24:50 <Mort-> And guidance
25:06 <Urist> Create Water?
25:10 <Urist> why?
25:16 <Mort-> Want to gather information? Use guidance and get 1 more to your diplo roll
25:25 <Hydrazine> Its just one of those things that sometimes ends up being really useful.
25:39 <Mort-> I don't know if i am the only person who would rule it that way
25:52 <Hydrazine> Not often though. I think Light could be just as useful, depending.
25:56 <Mort-> But i let people flush an imp out of invisibility by wetting it
26:02 <Mort-> He is a dwarf with dark vision
26:13 <Mort-> We burnt down the forest in fs 3
26:32 <Hydrazine> Sure hes a dwarf with dark vision.
26:36 <Mort-> Because those humans couldn't see and threw a burning campfire log into the woods
26:38 <Hydrazine> Does the rest of your team have dark vision?
26:42 <Urist> haha, i see how its useful now
27:04 <Mort-> Everyone should take care of their own light problems
27:05 <Hydrazine> Jerus' hammering usefulness can go out the window just because its too dark.
27:08 <Urist> i know even know who is on the team
27:22 <Hydrazine> And you generally don't until game time.
27:38 <Hydrazine> And even then sometimes theres a bit of shuffling around from the people who have choices.
27:45 <Urist> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/pathfinder-society-online-collective/0ACxlsii73E
28:04 <Mort-> And i think everyone should take care of their own light
28:12 <Hydrazine> Jerus is sort of in his own league among my characters now, but I can choose between my monk, witch, and rogue for low stuff.
28:15 <Mort-> And not expect someone to take care of it for to
28:19 <Urist> i sound like boon on it haha
28:49 <Mort-> Did you ever hear khaz or kalara complain about no light?
28:56 <Mort-> No just eat it and move on
29:17 <Urist> exactly
29:44 <Hydrazine> Oh, he packs a lantern. Never had to use it though.
29:51 <Mort-> They both carried ioun torches
30:12 <Urist> and what are the dungeons like?
30:23 <Hydrazine> dungeony!
30:58 <Hydrazine> Full of dungeon stuff. You get the general idea. You'll get the specifics when you play.
31:31 <Mekkis>  Mort- I think everyone should have darkvision
31:37 <Mekkis> or at the least low-light
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32:54 <Mort-> Not our fault we are human
33:21 <Mort-> And you were human too mek
35:23 <Hydrazine> I desire to do more Jerus-ing of stuff.
35:30 <Hydrazine> And some Hoku too.
36:38 <Mekkis> yeah
36:40 <Mekkis> but he died
37:29 <Urist> +7 to perception checks(+6 +1 (skill))
37:39 <Mort-> Lol
37:51 <Urist> is that right for mr hampton?
37:54 <Mort-> Get our mains and party
38:22 <Mekkis> yeah
38:28 <Mekkis> bring up mytiazair
38:52 <Urist> "mytiazair"?
39:07 <Mekkis> Mytiazair
39:11 <Mekkis> one of my characters
39:22 <Urist> ah, sorry
41:54 <Mort-> Yeah he names his characters after his laptops
43:00 <Urist> +8 to perception checks(+6(race/boar) +1(wis) +1 (skill))
43:00 <Urist> +2 to sneak checks (+1(dex) +1(skill))
43:09 <Urist> do these look right?
43:36 <Urist> or is leather armour  AC penatly
43:49 <Urist> penalty*
43:51 <Hydrazine> I think the race mod to perception is incorrect.
44:05 <Urist> really look at this
44:20 <Hydrazine> i think you're pulling that from the given total perception that a natural wild boar would have.
44:26 <Urist> http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG/prd/monsters/boar.html
44:34 <Urist> ah, ok
44:56 <Hydrazine> Also, theres a size modifier for stealth checks, since hes small.
45:16 <Urist> nice so he get +1>
45:19 <Urist> ?
46:54 <Mort-> Wee
47:12 <Mort-> I think?
47:17 <Hydrazine> Nope. +4.
47:19 <Mort-> Sneaking boars?
47:32 <Urist> sounds like a name of a band haha
47:42 <Urist> and thats really good
47:51 <Urist> the sneak mod that is
48:26 <Urist> +6 to sneak checks (+1(dex) +4(size) +1(skill))
49:22 <Urist> and he has scent
50:38 <Mort-> Mek as a druid i always thought about entangled
50:43 <Mort-> Is it any good?
54:35 <Urist> one question, if i am using the boar to sneak will he more than likely set off traps?
56:25 <Hydrazine> He might.
57:10 <Hydrazine> The other side of that though, is that he is pretty tough, and has good saves.. He might survive a trap better than most of the party.
57:39 <Hydrazine> Assuming there isn't someone around who can find and disable them safely.
58:25 <Urist> i just dont want him to die, i like the pig
58:58 <Hydrazine> So we thought it'd be cool to bring a level 1 on a higher leveled game once.
59:27 <Hydrazine> And he got insta-killed by a trap. The trap did crit, to be fair, and probably wouldn't have killed him otherwise.
59:38 <Hydrazine> But it is an example of a case of extreme bad luck.
00:16 <Hydrazine> Mort had a character almost die to a trap once.
00:28 <Hydrazine> Was one round away from bleeding out.
01:22 <Urist> you sound like a fair gm
01:35 <Hydrazine> Me? I was playing, not GMing.
01:44 <Hydrazine> I haven't quite worked up the nerve to GM here yet.
01:58 <Urist> oh, well id say you'd be great
02:04 <Mekkis> was I running that?
02:18 <Hydrazine> Yes.
02:28 <Hydrazine> Pretty sure it was Matt.
08:36 <Urist>  final edit hopefully : http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=451
14:28 <Mort-> Lol
14:29 <Hydrazine> Oh! Theres an attack modifier for size.
14:38 <Mort-> Don't remind me about that trap
14:49 <Mort-> But i died anyway in the end
14:53 <Mort-> Oh well
14:58 <Hydrazine> Can't believe I forgot.
15:03 <Hydrazine> Sorry I didn't mention it earlier.
15:04 <Mekkis> I haven't killed mort
15:14 <Hydrazine> No, you killed Matt.
15:18 <Mort-> Yeah
15:20 <Mekkis> yeah :(
15:23 * Mort- hides
15:40 <Mekkis> I should start using the GM shirt reroll
15:42 <Mort-> I feel like hiding
16:04 <Mekkis> skill focus only gives +3
16:10 <Urist> so whats the attack mod?
16:24 <Hydrazine> Er, wait.
16:36 <Mort-> Yeah charging right over a bridge might not have been the smartest thing to do ever
16:44 <Hydrazine> Damn. Sorry, I'm getting myself all sorts of confused.
16:48 <Mort-> But someone's got to do it right?
16:49 <Hydrazine> Dwarves are medium, not small.
16:56 <Hydrazine> So no size mod to attack, or AC.
17:02 <Mort-> I thought it was the boar
17:07 <Mort-> You were talking about
17:09 <Mekkis> you can only take one racial trait
17:09 <Hydrazine> But Bacon gets them because he is small.
17:15 <Hydrazine> Yeah, probably why I got confused.
17:31 <Urist> ok, so -1 attack and +4 to Ac?
17:55 <Hydrazine> For who?
18:00 <Urist> Coze
18:19 <Hydrazine> +1 to attack and AC. I think I put them in if you were using my numbers earlier.
18:45 <Hydrazine> Yeah, hes already got size mods.
19:08 <Urist> i did
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19:22 * Mort- isn't gming anything
19:31 * Mort- has a big grin on her furry face
19:52 <Hydrazine> But your druid doesn't get any size mods to anything, so the AC needs to be fixed.
19:54 <Urist> I have another question, when he reaches level 4, can i ride him?
20:02 <Hydrazine> No.
20:08 <Mort-> He must be large
20:14 <Urist> ah
20:18 <Hydrazine> Gotta ride something bigger than yourself.
20:20 <Mort-> One size category bigger then you!
20:25 <Hydrazine> if you were a small druid..
20:30 <Urist> does he ever become large?
20:30 <Hydrazine> it'd be fair game.
20:35 <Mort-> That's why xyn didn't pick up mount
20:45 <Mort-> Those who want to melee are medium races
21:05 <Mort-> Else you have uh a charging durable mount!
21:07 <Mort-> Lol
21:52 <Hydrazine> There are other companion options you can take at level 4 instead, many that increase in size at level 7.
22:07 <Hydrazine> I think there are also some medium size creatures you could start with that do become large.
22:24 <Urist> nah, i doubt a mount is very important
22:34 <Hydrazine> Good call, I think.
22:34 <Mekkis> Grolschmir disagrees
22:58 <Hydrazine> The Grolshmir approach no longer works at level 1, correct?
23:09 <Mekkis> incorrect
23:54 <Hydrazine> Urist, you're doing it all wrong.
24:05 <Urist> haha, funny
24:05 <Hydrazine> Step 1, small gnome. Step 2, roc companion.
24:22 <Hydrazine> Get yourself a lance, and fly around all day charging things and being a badass.
24:33 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, that's a very specialised type
24:34 <Hydrazine> Or dropping swords
24:37 <Mekkis> and really, ranger is better
24:56 <Mekkis> when Grolschmir was created, beastmaster ranger didn't exist
25:01 <Mekkis> or beastrider cavalier
25:09 <Mekkis> so Druid was the only option
25:10 <Urist> hmmm... interesting, maybe next time
25:16 <Hydrazine> I thought they did errata something that meant you couldn't go roc riding until you could cast ant haul?
25:22 <Mekkis> no
25:39 <Mekkis> at first level, it is still possible for a gnome to be riding a roc
26:01 <Mekkis> you just need to be the lightest possible gnome, wearing almost nothing and carrying almost nothing
26:01 <Mort-> You need anthaul
26:10 <Mekkis> plus
26:11 <Mort-> Which is a level 1 druid spell
26:14 <Mekkis> ant haul is first level
26:19 <Mort-> Scrolls are cheap
26:24 <Mekkis> so are wands
26:43 <Mort-> 2 pa your home scott free
26:56 <Mort-> Maybe i should have tried that in home brew
27:09 <Mort-> Again our gm will make us fight all day...
27:18 <Mort-> But that's evil
27:35 <Mort-> Shooting the roc out of the sky works though
28:14 <Mekkis> Mort-, it happened in a scenario you played
28:24 <Mekkis> Grolschmir attacked something 20' in the air
28:32 <Mekkis> the response was two magic missiles
28:34 <Mekkis> hit
28:35 <Hydrazine> Camels have a spit attack? Sweet.
28:36 <Mekkis> max damage
28:44 <Mekkis> thunk onto the floor
28:47 <Mekkis> -12hp
28:53 <Mekkis> with 13 con
29:57 <Mort-> Lol
30:05 <Mort-> I remember that scene
30:14 <Mort-> Except for us it went differently
30:36 <Mort-> Jerus grew very big.
32:03 <Hydrazine> He does that sometimes.
32:11 <Hydrazine> Man, croc pets look cool. And the raptors.
32:18 <Hydrazine> I see why you want a cat, Mort.
32:38 <Mort-> Meow
32:43 * Mort- meows
33:10 <Mort-> Trip
33:44 * Mekkis taps a claw at Mort-'s direction
33:53 <Hydrazine> a cat trap?
34:23 <Hydrazine> http://cl.jroo.me/z3/L/r/y/d/a.aaa-cat-traps.jpg
34:24 * Mort- wags her tail at mekkis
34:40 <Urist> haha what about a giant slug?
34:41 * Mort- offers mekkis a salmon
35:04 * Mort- takes out catnip
35:08 <Hydrazine> I'd hate to be defeated just because someone likes alot of salt on their breakfast.
35:22 <Mort-> Cat is fine
35:35 <Urist> true
35:40 <Mort-> Besides I've always liked drizzt do urden
35:43 <Mort-> ^^
35:45 * Mekkis counts the scales on his right claw
36:25 <Hydrazine> So I read a few of the Drizzt books before I really played D&D. And I enjoyed them.
36:53 <Mort-> "Erastil told me come here and someone would be waiting for me"
37:01 <Hydrazine> And I tried reading one after I had been playing for a while, and it felt like.. like a narrated version of a D&D campaign. And I hated it.
37:16 <Mort-> "Are you the one whom I'm waiting for?"
37:26 <Mort-> I can still read forgotten realms fine
38:00 <Mort-> "You're a lot bigger then I expected you know"
38:08 <Hydrazine> Thats what she said!
38:46 <Mort-> But yeah. Cheetah?
39:39 <Hydrazine> I'd say a cougar should be legal, and probably easier to find.
39:54 <Mort-> I don't really need sprint
40:04 <Mort-> Cougars are cool too
40:04 <Hydrazine> Never know, you might.
40:09 <Mort-> All i need is trip
40:14 <Mort-> Chasing who down?
40:32 <Mort-> im not letting my animal companion go into a fight without me
40:36 <Hydrazine> What if a monk flees, to tell the big bad boss you're coming to wreck his plans?
40:56 <Hydrazine> Hes the last one standing from a fight, and he took run.
41:00 <Mort-> Do you think my cat can trip a monk?
41:14 <Mort-> Ill make him bite of course
41:22 <Hydrazine> Hes tearing up at like 240 ft a round.
41:22 <Mort-> Monks have awful high cmd
41:33 <Hydrazine> wtf are the rest of you going to do?
41:38 <Mort-> 500 ft 1 round only
41:44 <Mort-> Oh that happened one game
41:57 <Hydrazine> I think I was there.
41:59 <Mekkis> Hydrazine, charge him
42:20 <Mort-> You weren't there
42:26 <Mort-> Xyn was there
42:29 <Hydrazine> Then I've seen similar.
42:36 <Mort-> Clocking 280 per round
42:40 <Mort-> But he got away
42:46 <Mort-> Because haste wore off
43:14 <Urist> will my pig be able to do that?
43:15 <Mort-> There was a bard who thought it was funny to turn invisible and run
43:23 <Mort-> Probably not
43:25 <Hydrazine> Charge 500ft a round? No, its a cat thing.
44:16 <Urist> ah, well, cant have everything, i still think hes badass
45:05 <Hydrazine> I'd say that kind of toughness and offense, hes easily worth a PC in a fight.
46:02 <Urist> i just taught of something, he cant climb ladders
46:20 <Mort-> Then you need block and tackle
46:25 <Hydrazine> Or ropes. Or cliffs.
46:33 <Mort-> Or tie him up and get someone to heave ho
46:41 <Hydrazine> Jerus would offer to help.
46:45 <Urist> i know, haha probaly have to
47:00 <Hydrazine> He'd carry Porkchops on his shoulder, no problem.
47:06 <Mort-> I would help but i can't lift shit
47:07 <Urist> i imagine jerus just putting him under one arm
47:15 <Hydrazine> Pretty much.
47:28 <Hydrazine> His max carry weight is like 600lb
47:54 <Mekkis> what's Jerus' strength?
48:01 <Urist> how much does Coze weigh?
48:04 <Hydrazine> 23.
48:10 <Mort-> Lol
48:20 <Mekkis> Grolschmir has 19 :S
48:22 <Hydrazine> And probably not more than 100 lbs.
48:39 <Urist> ah, easily lift him so
49:29 <Hydrazine> Going on the idea that a pretty damn big dog is about 100lb, and I estimate thats about the top end of small creature range.
50:03 <Urist> so any tatics for tonight? play defensively, use the pif to scout and what else, and have fun ofc
50:10 <Urist> pig*
50:25 <Urist> tacctics*
50:30 <Mort-> Scouting be careful
50:30 <Urist> tactics*
50:41 <Mort-> Goblins like pork chop :(
50:49 <Hydrazine> In my experience pathfinder groups don't scout much.
51:13 <Mort-> Because too many things can go wrong
51:20 <Mort-> With a bad stealth roll
51:24 <Urist> ok, but his sence can still help if he is heeling beside me
53:27 <Mort-> Yeah
53:40 <Mort-> Did you know what i called my weasel?
53:43 <Mort-> Socks lol
53:51 <Urist> haha, 
53:57 <Hydrazine> Hm. I dunno, I think we could benefit from more scouting.
54:02 <Mort-> She has 4 white socks
54:14 <Mort-> I would send familiar to scout
54:22 <Mort-> But if your stealth roll fks up
54:29 <Mort-> Or someone sees invis
54:38 <Mort-> Its you in the room with 5 monsters
54:44 <Mort-> Not nice
55:02 <Hydrazine> well you don't go all the way in.
55:12 <Hydrazine> you just go poke your head around the corner.
55:17 <Urist> ok, ill let him scout as he does have sence and +8 per and +6 stealth
55:36 <Hydrazine> not saying you wander all the way around and get the bad guys between yourself and the rest of the party.
56:57 <Urist> stick to the sides of rooms got it
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57:43 <Mekkis> Urist, you realise that you need to make handle animal checks to make the animal do anything
57:48 <Urist> but hopefully there will be a melee PC also
57:57 <Mekkis> and communicating "go and scout" might not be simple
58:02 <Urist> i do now, thanks
58:19 <Urist> but i have tlak to animals as a spell
58:35 <Mekkis> true
58:37 <Urist> and i hope the boar will obey me
59:24 <Hydrazine> seek trick.
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