// #d&d — 2012-06-07
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00:08:23 * tashes pets Mort
00:09:30 <tashes> Hai Mort!
00:25:57 * Mort- hugs tashes
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10:04:13 <mortswishytail> Morning all
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10:04:33 <Mort-> Oh
10:04:42 <Mort-> My tail stuck out I'm pulling it back
10:05:14 * MincedSushi pokes Mort
10:05:32 <MincedSushi> How be you ^^
10:08:06 <Mort-> My mom might be setting up a one day shop on 17 june
10:08:21 <Mort-> Guess who gets to help mind the store ^^
10:08:42 <MincedSushi> One day shop?
10:09:20 <N2H4> Um. I'll help!
10:09:32 <Mort-> Your so far away
10:09:34 <MincedSushi> I imagine that's the Singapore equivalent to a garage sale?
10:09:41 <MincedSushi> Webcams!
10:09:44 <Mort-> Yes
10:09:54 <Mort-> We have too much junk in the house
10:10:03 <Mort-> Going to try sell some
10:10:04 <N2H4> Don't sell the Mort.
10:10:10 <Mort-> Any suggestions?
10:10:29 <Mort-> I'm probably relegated to manning the store part timber
10:10:31 <Mort-> Time
10:11:05 <Mort-> The only issue that i have is that if we have the traffic volume around
10:11:06 <Mort-> Our town is pretty quiet
10:11:31 <Mort-> One table. 2 chairs. And bring lots of spare change.
10:11:57 <Mort-> We don't have a cash register.
10:16:12 <N2H4> You don't?
10:16:17 <N2H4> Why kind of people are you?!
10:16:21 <N2H4> I have 4 cash registers.
10:16:31 <Mort-> Are you serious?
10:16:36 <N2H4> ...
10:16:37 <N2H4> no.
10:16:49 <N2H4> Who just has cash registers lying around?
10:17:00 <Mort-> Ok lol
10:17:01 <MincedSushi> >>
10:17:03 <MincedSushi> I do...
10:17:11 <Mort-> But anyway. Any shop tips?
10:17:15 <MincedSushi> But I'm the manager of a retail store
10:17:22 <MincedSushi> Be awesome!
10:17:36 <Mort-> I don't have a high cha in rl. And no diplomacy :d
10:17:42 <Mort-> Lol
10:18:09 <MincedSushi> xD
10:18:11 <MincedSushi> Um...
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10:18:52 <MincedSushi> Be a friendly mur and don't let them push you around
10:19:03 <Mort-> I hate oaths
10:19:05 <Mort-> Maths
10:19:15 <MincedSushi> Sales like that tend to have people that get pushy and demand certian prices that are unrealistic.
10:19:18 <Mort-> My brother helped my cousin with her store the last time
10:19:26 <MincedSushi> oaths?
10:19:43 <Mort-> We don't really care about prices that much
10:19:46 <Mort-> Just want to clear up the house lol
10:19:53 <Mort-> Maths. With cell typo
10:32:43 <Mort-> Mmph
10:50:13 <MekkisScreen> uau
10:50:33 <MekkisScreen> I do
10:50:39 <MekkisScreen> why do you want a cash register?
10:50:48 * MekkisScreen is programming POS systems...
10:53:02 <Mort-> My mom is considering having a garage pail
10:53:04 <Mort-> Sail
10:53:08 <Mort-> And ill be helping her
10:53:23 <Mort-> Lol a mur helping out in a store.
10:53:27 <Mort-> With a tail!
10:53:45 <MekkisScreen> sale, you mean?
10:53:52 <MekkisScreen> is she selling any IBM keyboards?
10:54:07 <Mort-> No.
10:54:16 <MekkisScreen> you sure?
10:54:19 <Mort-> We might be selling laptop bags though
10:54:27 <Mort-> We don't have spare keyboards
10:54:56 <Mort-> And containers
10:55:05 <Mort-> Clothes. For females.
11:04:47 <Brunius> piece of shit systems, Mekkis? :P
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11:12:18 <N2H4> point of sale.
11:12:27 <Brunius> I know that
11:12:37 <Brunius> Mekkis has corrected me on this before
11:27:10 <MekkisScreen> not sure if I ever corrected you on that
11:27:20 <MekkisScreen> not sure if a correction is required....
11:27:22 <MekkisScreen> :)
11:27:41 <MekkisScreen> got an IBM model M for work.
11:45:11 <N2H4> Does it come with earplugs for your co-workers?
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12:08:22 <MekkisScreen> of course not
12:08:36 <MekkisScreen> they need to share in the glory of the model M!
12:09:14 <Avatar> now you can annoy your workmates as well
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12:11:31 <MekkisScreen> they can share in the glory of the model M, you mean
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12:12:53 <Avatar> no I mean annoy them
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12:13:43 <MekkisScreen> you are a heretic
12:13:49 <MekkisScreen> worship the model M!
12:14:15 <MekkisScreen> delight in its clickyness!
12:15:22 <Avatar> yeah for the first 30 seconds
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12:29:04 <Brunius> I need to A) Get an SDL cable for this model M and B) Get a working microphone
12:51:46 <MekkisScreen> SDL?
13:15:00 <Mort-> Oh
13:15:19 <Mort-> My keyboard is clicky too
13:15:28 <Mort-> But I'm always on mute anyway
13:25:33 <N2H4> At 11:57 I begin the days ablutions in the hopes my constitution will be altered by some action on the bowl.
13:25:50 <N2H4> But the total non-existence of colonic animation seems to me the perfect metaphor for the outer constipation of my soul.
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14:27:57 <Mort-> Urk.
14:37:20 <MekkisScreen> I'm not sure what you're getting at
14:37:30 <MekkisScreen> but I'm not sure if I want to
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15:18:37 <Steven> herro
15:23:02 <Mort-> Urk
15:23:10 <Steven> i hope this migraine goes away sometime soon
15:23:11 * Mort- urks some
15:23:21 <Steven> another hour and a half and its day 4 of migraine
15:23:32 <Mort-> My tummy hasn't been feeling happy with me lately
15:23:38 <Mort-> :(
15:23:51 * Mort- gives Steven an ice pack
15:24:09 * Steven wraps it around his soda
15:24:18 <Mort-> Uh ok
15:24:35 <Steven> Yes, cause icepacks do so much for you... like make your head freezing cold so you have to get a blanket
15:25:10 <Steven> what you do is get yourself a soda
15:25:11 <Mort-> I usually do that when i get a headache
15:25:20 <Steven> and then hold it against your eyes ever few minutes
15:25:22 * Mort- was just trying to help
15:25:31 <Steven> that way you dont get cold, but you get releif
15:25:35 <Mort-> Oh
15:25:44 * Mort- is a helpful mur
15:26:01 <Steven> headaches and migraines are like worlds apart...
15:26:15 <Steven> headache is like getting a splinter in your finger
15:26:45 <Steven> migraine is like getting shot
15:26:57 <Steven> which yes, i have been shot, i know how much it hurts
15:29:11 <Mort-> Ow
15:29:24 <Mort-> When did you get shot?
15:29:52 <Steven> lets see, i was 13
15:30:05 <Mort-> Then?
15:30:07 <Steven> so, 95 or 96
15:30:22 <Steven> it was in the arm
15:30:26 <Mort-> Why?
15:31:00 <Steven> stupid nigger had a thing against white guys... seeing as my family was the only white family living in the ghetto, he decided we were to blame for his lot in life
15:31:12 <Steven> and shot up our house
15:32:25 <Mort-> :(
15:32:27 <Steven> popped a few, one went through a window, ricochet off of something
15:32:30 <Steven> and pegged me in the arm
15:32:37 <Mort-> Get to the nearest hospital after
15:32:50 <Steven> no, my mother decided it wasnt life threatening
15:32:55 <Steven> and we all went back to sleep
15:33:04 <Steven> OF COURSE WE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL!
15:33:07 <Mort-> You still need to get the bullet out?
15:33:35 <Steven> i got a little scar now, no biggie
15:33:36 * Mort- paddypaws around
15:33:49 <Mort-> I'm so happy guns are outlawed here
15:33:57 <Steven> dont really remember much of it, morphine is some powerful shit
15:34:14 <Mort-> Probably better not to :)
15:34:17 <Steven> which is why you will be destroyed when the Zombie Apoch happens
15:34:49 <Steven> Last two countries to survive im thinking will be Australia and Canada
15:35:06 <Mort-> Uh huh.But at least its less easy for a lunatic to shoot me in my house
15:35:10 <Mort-> Or on the street
15:35:26 <Steven> last state in the US to succumb will be Idaho
15:35:36 <Steven> which i live right next to the border
15:35:52 <Steven> well you know how Americans are, we loves our guns
15:35:58 <Mort-> Besides i don't know how to use firearms
15:36:13 <Steven> they have a pretty simple interface, point and shoot
15:36:14 <Mort-> So even if i had one = screwup
15:36:19 <Mort-> The recoil
15:36:25 <Mort-> Will throw my aim off
15:36:35 <Steven> pffffft, thats all about stance
15:36:36 <Mort-> Dad told me never shoot a pistol with one hand
15:36:45 <Mort-> Even a pistol.
15:36:46 * Steven can shoot a pistol one hand
15:36:56 * Steven isnt terrible accurate with a pistol
15:37:02 * Steven is really good with a shotgun.
15:37:12 <Avatar> the gun does the work for you
15:37:21 <Steven> I am the Bane of squirels
15:37:23 <Mort-> He told me you need to brace for the recoil
15:37:35 <Mort-> Squirels are cool.
15:37:39 <Steven> yeah
15:37:40 <Mort-> Don't shoot them.
15:37:46 <Steven> you say that until you see one charging at you
15:37:48 <Mort-> I like squirrels
15:37:53 <Steven> and you have no choice but to put it down
15:37:55 <Mort-> They won't
15:38:14 <Mort-> Unless they have rabies
15:38:39 <Steven> me and my friends practically desquireled a bit of forest over in idaho
15:39:14 <Steven> not really we only killed about 10 of em..
15:39:19 <Mort-> They have no reason to charge you
15:39:32 <Steven> you say that mort, but you've never seen the bloodlust come over them
15:39:35 <Steven> they are dangerous creatures
15:39:45 <Steven> that need their population thinned
15:40:11 * Mort- feels sad.
15:40:21 <Steven> day after i bought my shotgun we went shooting
15:40:21 <Mort-> They eat fruits and nuts.
15:40:33 <Steven> around.... 150-200 shells
15:40:36 <Mort-> What bloodlust :(
15:40:44 <Steven> my shoulder was soooooo bruised
15:41:12 <Mort-> I wish i could get close to a squirrel so i could stroke them
15:41:15 <Steven> you live in the city dont you mort?
15:41:19 <Mort-> And you evil person
15:41:31 <Mort-> You've been killing squirrels
15:41:35 <Steven> city squirells are so docile compaired to the country squirrels
15:41:49 <Mort-> I see squirrels
15:41:51 <Steven> the country ones are vile creatures!
15:41:56 <Mort-> They don't hang around long
15:42:34 <Mort-> They are small and furry
15:42:53 <Steven> yes.... and make amazing blood splatters....
15:43:14 * Mort- snarls at Steven and charges him
15:43:37 * Steven shoots mort with his shotgun.
15:43:40 <Mort-> Wee!
15:43:48 * Mort- splats
15:43:57 <Steven> see thats exactly what they do
15:44:10 * Mort- returns as a ghost to haunt steven
15:44:43 <Mort-> But seriously. Charge a human bigger then it is ?
15:44:50 <Mort-> Most animals avoid confrontation
15:44:59 <Mort-> And even more so with bigger creatures
15:46:06 <Mort-> If you told me a monkey charged you id believe it
15:46:18 <Mort-> Because monkeys here can get grabby
15:46:46 <Mort-> Especially if you have ice creams or snacks on you
15:46:55 <Mort-> But a squirrel? :(
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15:47:10 <Steven> squirrels are dangerous... dont trust them
15:47:29 <Mort-> I think you have misconceptions of them
15:47:42 <Mort-> You sure you weren't torturing their squirrel babies?
15:47:55 <Mort-> So hi boomer.
15:48:00 <BoomerET> Hello
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15:48:18 <exBoomerET> Busy helping wife, bbl.
15:48:25 <Mort-> This foul fiend in human skin who just killed me says squirrels are dangerous
15:48:53 <Steven> they are..
15:49:11 <Mort-> Maybe they have rabies.
15:49:21 <Mort-> It really doesn't make sense
15:49:30 <Mort-> Even dogs don't charge humans mostly
15:49:33 <Steven> they repeatedly endanger soft hearted humans by running out in the road in an attempt to get people to swirve
15:49:34 <exBoomerET> I have a pet acorn that I found when I was in college. He was surrounded by about 45 dead squirrels when I intervened.
15:49:53 <Mort-> And dogs are bigger then squirrels
15:49:55 <Steven> and cause accidents
15:50:06 <Mort-> So would your local deep
15:50:09 <Mort-> Deer
15:50:19 <Mort-> Or any animal. Not just a squirrel.
15:50:48 <Mort-> We have flattened snakes or monitor lizards on the road
15:51:23 <Steven> yeah... i support shooting all of them
15:51:43 <Mort-> No
15:52:08 * Mort- interposes her ghostly self between Steven and the creatures
15:52:45 <Mort-> Now strangely enough the only reason i can find acceptable for killing an animal. Is because you wanted to eat them.
15:53:33 <Mort-> If you told me you had a new recipie you wanted to create using squirrels id tell you to invite me over once you're done
15:54:06 <Mort-> Nom nom nom
15:54:08 <Steven> you do realize your incoporeal existance makes your interposing between you and my victims an empty gesture?
15:54:26 * Steven shoots a few squirrels through mort.
15:57:18 <Mort-> Worth a try
15:57:50 * Mort- sticks her paw through Steven then materializes
15:58:00 <Mort-> So. What happens in that case
16:00:10 <Steven> nothing, ghosts cant become physical
16:05:58 <Mort-> :(
16:06:15 <Mort-> But story books say they can
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16:17:08 <Steven> my brain hurts
16:18:41 <Mort-> You probably shot too many squirrels :p
16:18:58 <Mort-> Go and reflect on your evil deeds ^^
16:19:28 <Steven> i doubt it
16:19:40 <Steven> that just brings me joy
16:20:41 <Mort-> Seriously you shot squirrels for kicks?
16:20:52 <Mort-> Begone foul spawn of darkness!
16:21:05 <Steven> yup, i have
16:21:28 <Mort-> There should be no reason to kill them
16:21:29 <Steven> i have also killed grouse, turkeys, quail, ducks, deer, and elk
16:21:34 <Mort-> Ew
16:21:44 <Mort-> Ok if you ate them afterwards
16:22:05 <Mort-> That's ok. And you should have invited me over
16:22:17 <Mort-> But to kill for sport. Its just wrong
16:22:26 <Mort-> Other then self defence
16:22:45 <Steven> its what humans do, we kill shit
16:23:09 <Steven> we are the best killers on the planet
16:23:27 <Steven> hell we are even killing the planet... thats how awesome our murdering skills are
16:25:07 <Mort-> Yeah on that but still. Stay off animals.
16:25:24 <Mort-> Unless in self defence or you want to eat them
16:27:09 <Steven> nah, im good, if i see a squirrel that needs put down..
16:27:15 <Steven> hes goin down!
16:29:31 * Mort- would report you to animal activist groups
16:31:42 <Steven> go ahead
16:31:56 <Steven> ill answer my door w/ my P.E.T.A. shirt on
16:32:12 <Steven> People for the Eating of Tasty Animals
16:32:56 <Mort-> Actually i would too..
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16:33:08 <Mort-> But eating only. Not killing for sport
16:33:33 <Mort-> I always wondered if kangeroos tasted good...
16:33:49 <Steven> prolly gamey
16:33:50 <Mort-> But this being an Australian channel might get me burnt at stake
16:34:04 <Mort-> Low fat contet
16:34:06 <Mort-> Content
16:34:11 <Mort-> Probably good for stewp
16:38:41 <Steven> mort....
16:38:43 <Steven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvUjuFGuYhM
16:41:35 <Mort-> No
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16:41:51 <Mort-> Thou shalt not shoot squirrels for sport
16:42:12 <Mort-> Now if you want to nom nom. Squirrels have no meat
16:42:14 <Steven> i will.
16:42:27 <Steven> because there are only millions of them out here
16:42:27 <Mort-> So you should go shoot deer
16:42:31 <Mort-> No
16:42:38 <Mort-> Its still a life
16:42:48 <Mort-> You do not kill for sport
16:42:51 <Steven> hey, im making dinner out of them
16:42:59 <Steven> ... for the worms...
16:43:21 <Mort-> Unless you're saying you are having squirel stew for dinner
16:43:43 <Mort-> Then i will be puzzled. But can understand
16:43:56 <Steven> worm gotta eat same as people
16:43:58 <Mort-> Will suggest you shoot deer next time
16:44:36 <Mort-> Venison is tasty. Besides deer have more meat
16:44:45 <Mort-> And worms can handle themselves fine
16:45:08 <Mort-> In fact i don't think worms eat carrion. You need maggots for that?
16:45:34 <Steven> i like them to have a choice in their meal selection
16:45:35 <Mort-> Which means you're encouraging more flies. Which spread disease around
16:45:50 <Steven> im okay with that
16:45:52 <Mort-> I think worms eat plant matter only
16:46:00 <Steven> maybe it will kick off the zombie apoch
16:46:03 <Mort-> You're getting more maggots
16:46:08 <Mort-> Disgusting.
16:46:15 <Mort-> You should not kill for sport
16:46:48 <Mort-> If you feel like showing off your leet shooting skills go and line up beer cans in your yard
16:47:03 <Steven> pfffft thats not realistic...
16:47:08 <Steven> beer cans dont move
16:47:12 <Steven> squirrels do
16:47:21 <Mort-> And they can't fight back.
16:47:49 <Mort-> Go and get a bounty for some killer grizzly bear then
16:47:56 <Steven> neither can beer cans
16:48:09 <Mort-> Yeah but at least you take no lives
16:48:18 <Mort-> Showing off on beer cans
16:48:32 <Mort-> You said you've been shot before
16:48:42 <Mort-> Imagine all those squirrels you shot
16:49:02 <Mort-> Do unto others what you want done onto you.
16:49:37 <Mort-> If this were a fairy tale a fairy would turn you into a squirrel. And your friends would be squirrel hunting
16:50:04 <Steven> and if i was lacking in my squirrel skills and got shot, it would be my fault
16:50:27 <Steven> im just helping squirrels develop a skill based society
16:50:34 <Mort-> It'd serve you right. For what you did to those squirrels
16:50:42 <Mort-> You're doing it because you think its fun
16:50:53 <Steven> hell yeah its fun
16:50:59 <Mort-> How would you like if i shot you for fun?
16:51:06 <Mort-> Said i liked hearing you squeal?
16:51:14 <Steven> probably not, which is why i would shoot you back
16:51:24 <Mort-> Of course for me to do such a thing would be pretty unthinkable
16:51:40 <Mort-> Assume gun is with me and you're not armed.
16:52:18 <Mort-> Well to me that kind of attitude is just wrong. Yes i know ill never be a hunter
16:52:39 <Mort-> If i didn't dislike bugs that much i could almost imagine myself as a park warden someplace :p
16:53:00 <Steven> lol
16:53:02 <Steven> mort.
16:53:03 <Mort-> Unfortunately i don't like being out in the sun either
16:53:05 <Steven> im always armed
16:53:21 <Mort-> Where you are? Throwing a pillow at me?
16:53:41 <Steven> at all times
16:53:47 <Steven> i have a weapon with me
16:53:55 <Mort-> Pistol at your belt? :(
16:54:04 <Steven> no, concealed carry permit
16:54:15 <Mort-> Ever thought about what would happen if you lost your temper?
16:54:26 <Mort-> You might just pull it out and shoot:(
16:54:37 <Steven> i put that shit in my ankle harness
16:54:47 <Mort-> At least if i lost my temper id just slap you in your face
16:54:47 <Steven> if i loose my temper somebody is getting their ass beat
16:55:04 <Steven> then if they pull a weapon, i pull my weapon
16:55:09 <Mort-> What if you pull it out and pull the trigger
16:55:19 <Mort-> America is ><
16:55:24 <Mort-> Say they don't
16:55:25 <Steven> yes mort, because guns dont come with safetys
16:55:33 <Mort-> But they make you very mad
16:55:45 <Steven> then i punch them in the face
16:56:05 <Steven> Ive had my ass kicked before while having a gun on my person
16:56:07 <Mort-> Heh. You might decide to shoot them instead.
16:56:20 <Steven> just because i have a gun on me doesnt mean im going to shoot somebody
16:56:23 <Mort-> Can't draw it because he is smacking you up?
16:56:31 <Mort-> I think as long as you carry one
16:56:46 <Mort-> It means you have the mindset that you are prepared to shoot someone
16:57:06 <Steven> yeah, i am prepared to shoot someone
16:57:07 <Mort-> I think even if i lived in America i would not carry a gun
16:57:16 * Mort- urghs
16:57:17 <Steven> but only if they are threatening my life and i cant et away
16:57:29 <Mort-> That kind of thinking fills graveyards
16:57:39 <Steven> no, that kind of thinking keeps me out of one
16:57:52 <Mort-> And more people like you?
16:58:38 <Mort-> Fly to auzzie land
16:58:40 <Steven> seriously mort, just because i carry a gun doesnt mean im gonna pull it out and shoot somebody because they make me mad
16:58:57 <Mort-> Go share an apartment with mekkis :p
16:59:07 <Mort-> No. You're not sharing my appartment
16:59:09 <Steven> why mekkis like guns too?
16:59:13 <Mort-> No
16:59:18 <Mort-> He is lawful.
16:59:23 <Steven> so am i
16:59:25 <Mort-> I'm not sure of his alignment yet.
16:59:33 <Mort-> I think you're cn :p
16:59:40 <Steven> I follow all the laws i am subject to
17:00:02 <Mort-> So spending some time with him in a country without guns should do you good
17:00:12 <Mort-> I think I'm probably ng.
17:00:33 <Steven> lool no way sounds boring
17:00:49 * Mort- guesses mekkis is ln
17:01:05 <Mort-> Possibly le.
17:01:07 <Mort-> :d
17:01:17 * Mort- hides before some devils chase her
17:01:23 <Mort-> But seriously
17:01:39 <Mort-> Most of the world they don't get to carry guns on the street
17:01:44 <Mort-> And they are happier for it
17:01:59 <Steven> yeah right...
17:02:06 <Mort-> Making guns too easily available is bad. Human life has no meanig
17:02:20 <Steven> you mean those same countries where everyone surrendered their guns and the crime rate only went up?
17:02:27 <Mort-> Columbine shoot out. How much less damage would they have done
17:02:44 <Mort-> Had they been unable to get this hands on guns
17:03:04 <Steven> thats what makes me laugh so much about people who are for gun control
17:03:15 <Steven> they think just because guns are made illegal that criminals wont have guns
17:03:22 <Mort-> Really. All you need is one nutcase
17:03:25 <Steven> they are criminals
17:03:33 <Steven> they dont follow the law
17:03:45 <Mort-> But juveniles
17:04:02 <Steven> can still buy a gun out of the back of a van and go shoot up a school
17:04:17 <Mort-> If guns couldn't be legally bought i don't think they could accquire a gun that easily
17:04:32 <Mort-> They did it all legally :(
17:04:36 <Steven> no, if you ant buy a gun legally all that means is that people who will follow the law cant get gus
17:04:53 <Steven> which means only the criminals have guns
17:05:29 <Mort-> Ok. Why is it only those countries where guns are allowed
17:05:47 <Mort-> Do we see all those bloody massacres in schools
17:06:08 <Mort-> Yes in japan. Someone took out a katana and went on a rampage
17:06:20 <Steven> so you end up in a situation where law abiding citizens cant defend themselves against the criminals who didnt have to surrender their guns, because the government didnt have records of them having guns
17:06:25 <Mort-> But the lives lost were less because he was more easily over powered
17:06:56 <Mort-> As opposed to someone totting a gun who can kill at range
17:07:11 <Mort-> I disagree with gun laws. Majority of the world you can't carry guns
17:07:13 <Steven> That is not a logical arguement mort. If somebody wants to shoot up a school, or blow up a school, or do anything like that they will find a way to make it happen
17:07:16 <Mort-> Anyway
17:07:26 <Mort-> Yeah but its how easy it is
17:07:39 <Mort-> More difficult makes likelihood of it happening harder
17:08:05 <Steven> Look at canada, they have some of the least restrictive gun control legislation in the world
17:08:26 <Steven> theres something like 1 gun for every 2.1 people in the country
17:08:44 <Steven> one of the lowest gun related crime ratios on the planet
17:08:46 <Mort-> Anyway. Come to Singapore some time.
17:08:57 <Mort-> Its awesome!
17:09:09 <Mort-> Law abiding bunch we are
17:09:14 <Steven> ide rather swallow cyanide
17:09:19 <Mort-> And no guns!
17:09:30 <Steven> wanna bet?
17:09:37 <Mort-> There are bars. If you want to get screwed
17:09:44 <Mort-> With the police only
17:09:50 <Mort-> Or armed forces
17:10:05 <Mort-> In the streets no one else can carry one
17:10:13 <Steven> that you know of
17:10:22 <Mort-> Prove me wrong
17:10:25 <Mort-> Then.
17:10:45 <Mort-> I would bet with you no one would try conceal stuff like that
17:11:10 <Mort-> Singapore is one of the hardest places in the world to try get away with that kind of thing
17:11:13 <Steven> you seriously need to take off those rose colored glasses
17:11:18 <Mort-> No.
17:11:26 <Mort-> They ban chewing gum here
17:11:33 <Mort-> And its been pretty successful
17:12:20 <Mort-> Well next time you do pop by Singapore. Go ahead. I dare you.
17:12:27 <Steven> Singapores low crime rate is associated with their strict criminal control, not the gun control itself
17:12:59 <Mort-> Yeah but it helps
17:13:11 <Mort-> Anyway i should get back to work
17:13:56 <Steven> if i ever go to singapore, ill follow the laws of the land, but if im allowed to conceal carry im going to
17:13:56 <Mort-> I would state that the world would be better off with no guns allowed in the streets though
17:14:03 <Mort-> You can't
17:14:11 <Mort-> Totally :d
17:14:14 <Mort-> Lol
17:15:39 <Steven> mort, i would offer up in counter arguement, if everyone were to surrender their guns only the criminals would have guns. I dont like the idea of only criminals having guns.
17:16:40 <MekkisScreen> Steven: if x is outlawed, only criminals would have x
17:16:47 <MekkisScreen> what are you getting at?
17:17:08 <Steven> notta me and mort are shootin the shit.
17:17:28 <Steven> she thinks the world would be safer if people werent allowed to have guns
17:17:41 <MekkisScreen> it probably would be
17:18:01 <MekkisScreen> although, I'm divided on the issue
17:18:23 <Steven> i think its a bad idea to disarm the people who legally own firearms
17:18:41 <Steven> because then you are left with a bunch of criminals who have weapons
17:19:04 <MekkisScreen> and the reason they're criminals is because they didn't give up their weapons?
17:19:35 <Steven> if made illegal to own a gun, them not surrendering it would make them a criminal
17:20:03 <MekkisScreen> to be honest, I'm not for making gun ownership illegal...
17:20:34 <MekkisScreen> I'm more for making unlicenced gun ownership illegal
17:20:58 <MekkisScreen> and I'm fine with having some rather stringent requirements on how to get said licence
17:21:08 <Steven> the vast majority of gun violence in the US is not the result of the legal owners of a firearm commiting a crimes
17:21:38 <MekkisScreen> how easy is it to become a 'legal owner of a gun'?
17:21:53 <MekkisScreen> a trip to the local sporting store and a mastercard?
17:22:06 <Steven> well, you go to a store and depending on the gun you can walk out of a store with one
17:22:21 <Steven> so long as you are not on the list of people not allowed to own firearms
17:22:40 <MekkisScreen> why is the list restrictive, rather than permissive?
17:22:51 <Steven> like people who have commited a felony are not allowed to purchase a firearm
17:23:04 <Steven> its easier to track the people not allowed to purchase a firearm
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17:23:26 <MekkisScreen> how so?
17:23:44 <Steven> I personally feel that you should be required to go to a gun control class to learn how to responsably use firearms
17:24:05 <MekkisScreen> pretty much every other first-world nation keeps track of people who ARE allowed to buy firearms
17:24:38 <Steven> actually they dont, they keep track of people who are not allowed to buy firearms
17:24:51 <Steven> because the list is much much shorter
17:25:13 <MekkisScreen> in Australia, the list is of who is allowed
17:25:26 <Steven> which means less resources devoted to policing the system
17:25:40 <Steven> well, ive no experience dealing with australia
17:25:44 <MekkisScreen> if you want to buy a gun, you apply for a licence, get your training, and then you can buy a gun
17:25:47 <MekkisScreen> pretty simple
17:25:56 <Steven> but i do know about US policy
17:26:43 <Steven> I have a concealed carry permit, and usually carry a .38 snub in my ankle holster, i mentioned this to mort and she thinks im going to go out and shoot everyone
17:27:18 <MekkisScreen> so, if they made having unlicenced guns illegal, you'd get a licence, right?
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17:27:50 <Steven> I own a license for every gun i am required to have a license for
17:28:10 <Steven> All my guns are legal.
17:28:56 <MekkisScreen> so what you're saying is that most gun crime is committed by people who either are already on the 'cannot own a gun' list, or are committed with stolen guns?
17:29:42 <Steven> a great deal of crime involving a gun is commited by people who do not legally own the gun they are using
17:30:02 <MekkisScreen> so the gun was stolen, then used?
17:30:07 <MekkisScreen> most likely?
17:30:27 <Steven> or sold illegally
17:30:45 <MekkisScreen> where would the gun have been stolen from?
17:30:55 <Steven> from the legal owner.
17:30:59 <Steven> I have had a gun stolen from me
17:31:09 <Steven> i reported it immediately
17:31:22 <MekkisScreen> so if the 'legal owner' didn't have the gun, it wouldn't get stolen and used in a gun crime?
17:31:49 <Steven> not neccisarily, some people do stupid shit and decide they want to try to rob something
17:32:17 <MekkisScreen> yes, but if there isn't a gun to steal, they can't steal the gun
17:32:55 <Steven> if there were no guns to steal, crime would still be commited with knifes.
17:33:09 <Steven> or bats, or everyone would go learn karate
17:33:15 <MekkisScreen> I'm not debating that
17:33:23 <Steven> and then you would still have all the guns on the street already
17:33:29 <Steven> that are not registered
17:33:30 <Mort-> Less fatalities if you do hand to hand
17:33:51 <Mort-> A person with a gun can kill more easily then a guy using a katana
17:34:15 <Steven> but its beside the point, if the government decided all guns were illegal and required that i surrender them, i would because i follow the laws.
17:34:45 <MekkisScreen> the US homicide rate is 3-4 times as high as the Australian one
17:35:18 <Steven> it would not go down if guns were outlawed
17:35:25 <MekkisScreen> Steven: it's generally not all or nothing: I'm not sure if any country has declared that all guns are illegal
17:35:27 <Steven> if anything it would probably go up a couple of percent
17:35:47 <MekkisScreen> can you provide any evidence to back that statement?
17:35:48 <Steven> I doubt they would ever outlaw shotguns, or rifles
17:36:22 <Steven> Australia's violent crime rate went up several percent when they imposed stricter gun control on its legal citizens
17:36:45 <MekkisScreen> that's interesting. And incorrect
17:37:12 <Steven> not according to the literature ive read.
17:37:47 <MekkisScreen> the year they imposed stricter gun control was in response to a one-off massacre that occurred in the same year
17:38:05 <MekkisScreen> so when you look at the statistics, it appears as such
17:38:48 <MekkisScreen> yes. one person can cause the crime rate to increase by several percent.
17:38:52 <MekkisScreen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Arthur_massacre_%28Australia%29
17:39:32 <Steven> yeah i know abotu port arthur
17:39:38 <Steven> totaly fucked up
17:42:54 <Steven> back
17:43:41 <Steven> When they tell me to surrender my pistols, I will
17:43:59 <Steven> but ide rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it
17:46:19 <Steven> infact the only time ive ever drawn my pistol has been at the firing range
17:49:08 <Steven> i miss idahos concealed carry permit cost
17:49:13 <Steven> so much cheaper then washingtons
17:51:43 <Steven> in idaho it was 20 bucks and you needed to get fingerprinted
17:51:54 <Steven> which was like 15 bucks if memmory servers
17:52:06 <Steven> and then i twas like 15 bucks renewal fee
17:52:21 <Steven> and in washington, it was 55 and some change
17:57:51 <Steven> this migraine sucks
17:58:11 <Steven> woke up maybe like 3-4 hours ago, and im already dead tired
18:22:49 <Mekkis> I had to get a permit to own a high-power laser
18:24:36 <Brunius> You had to get a permit to own a high-power laser POINTER
18:24:42 <Brunius> You don't need one for a module
18:24:52 <Mekkis> you do to import it
18:44:17 <Avatar> Steven: are you a cop
18:47:15 <Steven> no
18:47:26 <Steven> just a guy who likes guns
18:52:23 <Avatar> in your ankle holster
18:53:03 <Mort-> I wouldn't carry one
18:53:36 <Mort-> Or maybe i would. But its a stain on my soul to do it.
18:53:51 <Mort-> Am i prepared to shoot someone? No.
18:57:45 <Avatar> It's a stain on my soul to play a synthesist
18:58:12 <Avatar> just sayin
18:58:18 <Brunius> Pfft
18:59:22 <Steven> i agree avatar
19:01:56 <Mekkis> I build based on a concept
19:01:58 <Mekkis> not a class
19:07:41 <Mort-> Well one day i decided to become a big scary monster
19:07:56 <Mort-> That was the day i became a syn :p
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19:26:54 <Mort-> Anyway I've not always been human...
19:27:33 <Mort-> In motb i thought of how to fight start naked and came up with the idea of a warlock monk
19:27:40 <Mort-> Involving demon form
19:30:12 <Mort-> But the hardest thing was to stick to lawful evil alignment
19:30:20 <Mort-> I kept slipping damn it
19:30:35 <Mort-> I can ce better then le
19:40:24 <Avatar> Mekkis: making a build on +22 diplomacy isn't based on a character concept, it's based on a very specific build
19:40:40 <Avatar> I mean his name is nightmare and he's good at diplomacy
19:41:10 <Mekkis> he's very smooth-spoken
19:50:40 <Mekkis> The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else.
19:50:40 <Mekkis> —Eliezer Yudkowsky, Artificial Intelligence as a Positive and Negative Factor in Global Risk
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19:58:06 <Brunius> Three laws of robotics bro
19:59:47 <Mekkis> Brunius, how do you program a computer to not do something?
19:59:55 <Brunius> Black magic.
20:01:38 * Mekkis spent most of the week removing that from our codebase
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20:06:12 <Brunius> You could have it check a subroutine for various things.
20:06:29 <Brunius> I'm not very far into programming. I don't know what's practical.
20:06:41 <Mekkis> you could...
20:07:31 <Mekkis> whole businesses are built around programming computers to not do things... and they still don't work 100%
20:08:05 <Mekkis> you know: program a computer to not let people who aren't allowed to access it access it
20:08:16 <Brunius> Ha
20:15:28 <Mekkis> it's not easy
20:15:45 <Mekkis> anyway, already the robots we have don't follow those three laws
20:16:12 <Mekkis> Law 1: don't listen to anyone who isn't authorised
20:16:35 <Mekkis> Law 2: try not to kill people you're not authorized to kill.
20:17:01 <Mekkis> Law 3: protect your existence at all costs: you're fucking expensive, and hard to replace.
20:24:02 <Mort-> Lol. No one complained too much about ausks +40 to intimidate
20:24:07 <Mort-> Again he is level 12
20:25:18 <Mekkis> I'm sure Avatar would
20:26:01 <Mekkis> Mytiazair is 5 off retirement!
20:26:30 <Brunius> Whack him on slow advancement
20:26:43 <Mekkis> no
20:27:31 <Mekkis> he shall retire with dignity
20:28:02 <Brunius> ...after slowly advancing?
20:28:17 <Mekkis> no
20:28:21 <Mekkis> he'll be on fast
20:28:30 <Mekkis> I don't know why people try and put 11s on slow
20:31:05 <Mort-> Because Steven can't get enough of ausk
20:31:28 <Mort-> Cool on myz. I don't think I'm getting many where's
20:31:58 <Brunius> Mekkis: Know anywhere that stocks pirate minis?
20:32:04 <Mekkis> no
20:32:10 <Mort-> I'm still 6 :d
20:32:13 <Mort-> Lol
20:32:17 <Mort-> Hasn't changed
20:32:35 <Mekkis> I didn't know you could pirate minis
20:33:02 <Brunius> ha, ha, ha
20:33:57 <Mort-> He wants pirates. Really.
20:34:10 <Brunius> Y'know, from ships?
20:34:12 <Mort-> What's everyone's obsession with pirates
20:34:31 <Brunius> This guy was just a concept I liked
20:34:34 * Mort- wonders how to turn into a butterfly dragon
20:34:35 <Mekkis> nope
20:34:52 * Mort- flutters around
20:34:56 <Brunius> I saw the feat "Sword and Pistol" and wanted.
20:35:19 <Mekkis> what is the appeal of pirates?
20:35:30 <Mekkis> I've never understood it
20:35:37 <Mort-> I think mixing range and melee is weird
20:35:55 <Mort-> Don't get it either. Most of my characters have magic
20:36:18 <Brunius> This guy is gonna have range...and melee....and magic
20:36:28 <Brunius> It remains to be seen how effective that will be
20:36:47 <Mekkis> don't try to add sneak attack to the list
20:36:47 <Mort-> Anyway. Did i tell you too mek i was wondering if it was possible to do the 3.5 polymorph rogue trick with a synthesist?
20:36:51 <Mort-> Lol
20:36:57 <Mort-> Is it possible?
20:36:59 <Brunius> I sure as hell won't
20:37:14 <Mekkis> Mort-, you mean get lots of attacks and therefore lots of sneak attack?
20:37:18 <Mekkis> sure
20:37:31 <Mort-> Sort of
20:37:40 <Mort-> But I'm thinking if that would play out
20:38:08 <Mort-> My dps does jump some when someone gives me flanks
20:38:08 <Mort-> Well dpr to be exact
20:38:22 <Brunius> dps is just 1/6 of dpr
20:38:24 <Mort-> I am toying with that idea
20:38:45 <Mort-> The polymorph the rogue trick
20:39:05 <Mort-> Or wait. This rogue is permanently polymorphed :p
20:39:40 <Mekkis> how many levels of rogue?
20:39:40 <Mort-> It means more rogue levels though :(
20:39:45 <Mort-> Don't know
20:39:51 <Mekkis> 1?
20:39:59 <Mort-> Atm i have 1
20:40:09 <Mort-> My sa is a baby sa :p
20:40:10 <Mekkis> that should be enough
20:40:24 <Mort-> Still getting hit for 3 x on a full attack. If i do hit.
20:40:33 <Mort-> Its pretty nasty on the receiving end
20:40:58 <Mort-> People give me flanks to see things happen :p
20:41:19 <Mekkis> take a level of master spy
20:41:26 <Mort-> 1 level of rogue was necessary
20:42:48 <Mort-> I'm already archtyped
20:46:56 <Mort-> Na no feats for prereq
20:47:16 <Mort-> Btw. Is it worth it to bump to 3 rogue for more sa?
20:47:31 <Mort-> Or just live with my little 1d6 sa
20:47:39 <Brunius> Bump it to 3
20:48:12 <Mort-> Its harming my tanking. But 3 will give me the ability to sicken people i hit
20:48:19 <Brunius> Ha
20:48:34 <Brunius> Guy starts flaming me, I click it, the post has been removed. Wonder how that happened.
20:48:40 <Mort-> Lol
20:48:46 <Mort-> Mods
20:48:57 <Mort-> But 3 will hurt my polymorph
20:49:09 <Brunius> How much?
20:49:26 <Mort-> Technically if i fit in pounce. I could potentially evicerate someone in the first round
20:49:33 <Mort-> I'm a syn/thug
20:49:51 <Mort-> Charge. Full attacks. Caught flat footed? - sa
20:50:16 <Mort-> 2 syn / 1 thug atm
20:50:29 <Mort-> I haven't fit in pounce yet
20:51:24 <Mort-> Technically anyone who isn't immune to fear can't exactly approach me if i do hit...
20:51:30 <Mort-> But i can't do it for long
20:52:11 <Mort-> Combat reflexes and reach..
20:52:35 <Mort-> Hm. 3 thug?
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21:15:22 <Brunius> What the hell
21:15:26 <Brunius> My internet has just shut down
21:15:35 <Avatar> I don't think so
21:15:45 <Brunius> Selectively shut down, apparently
21:15:48 <Brunius> What the hell
21:15:51 <Brunius> Steam is working
21:16:02 <Brunius> Icechat is evidently working
21:16:06 <Avatar> so really it didn't shut down at all
21:16:17 <Brunius> xfire is working
21:16:23 <Brunius> html pages simply won't load
21:16:26 <Brunius> Interesting.
21:16:42 <Avatar> dns?
21:16:55 <Brunius> I can't remember what that stands for
21:17:19 <Avatar> neither do I
21:17:27 <Brunius> What is it
21:17:41 <Avatar> it's what converts www.google.com into 123.45.67.8
21:17:47 <Brunius> Ah
21:17:48 <Avatar> vice versa
21:18:28 <Avatar> try pointing your browser to 74.125.237.148
21:18:50 <Brunius> Nada
21:19:11 <Mort-> Oh
21:19:15 <Mort-> Oh no tail!
21:19:18 <Brunius> I can ping it
21:20:07 <Avatar> try another browser?
21:20:48 <Brunius> I did my best to obliterate any trace of IE
21:21:04 <Avatar> there's other browsers besides IE and whatever you've got
21:21:15 <Brunius> And how would I get them?
21:21:25 <Avatar> you'd get them before your internet died
21:21:31 <Avatar> what do you normally use
21:21:46 <Brunius> ff
21:25:18 <Mekkis> but DNS points www.google.com to 2404:6800:4006:801::1013!
21:25:29 <Mekkis> Get with the times!@
21:25:39 <Mekkis> IPv6 launch was yesterday!
21:25:40 <Avatar> it also points to 74.125.237.148
21:26:05 <Brunius> Opera, man?
21:26:08 <Brunius> Really?
21:26:18 <Avatar> beggars can't be choosers
21:26:48 <Brunius> Mekkis, as a marker of the significance of that launch, I've vowed to update to a v6-compatible OS for day-to-day use within two years.
21:26:56 <Brunius> :P
21:27:00 <Mekkis> like XP?
21:27:15 <Brunius> Isn't XP merely v4 compatibly by default?
21:27:29 <Mekkis> yeah, but it's one command to install v6
21:27:39 <Brunius> And what is that command?
21:28:04 <Mekkis> netsh interface ipv6 install
21:28:22 <Brunius> Ok.
21:29:18 <Brunius> interesting. starts working after that
21:29:27 <Mekkis> ah
21:29:34 <Mekkis> br0ken v6
21:30:39 <Brunius> night
21:31:52 <Brunius> IT exam tomorrow.
21:38:22 <Mekkis> question 1: what command do you use to enable IPv6 on windows XP?
21:45:14 <Avatar> pass
21:45:16 <Avatar> what is question 2
21:46:46 <Mort-> Lol avatar - bru is sitting for the exam not you
21:46:47 <Mort-> Lol
21:46:56 <Mort-> Anyway yes. More rogue research
21:47:00 <Avatar> I can sit it if I want to
21:47:06 <Avatar> you can't stop me
21:47:34 <Mort-> How do you fight like the rogue in 3.5 that was polymorphed into a nine headed hydra?
21:47:54 <Mort-> But gosh that's going to make me very dependent on sneak attacks
21:48:32 <Mort-> Anyway just for the record i sneak attack almost as well as a dual wielding rogue at 3
21:48:54 <Mort-> He will do 4d6 worth of sneak attack damage on 2 successful hits
21:49:18 <Mort-> I do 3d6 on a full attack round of successful hits
21:49:38 <Mort-> And I'm pretty much tougher then the rogue is anywam
21:49:40 <Mort-> Anyway
21:50:21 <Mort-> I can even do evasion like a level 3 rogue ^^ not saying it would work of course
22:04:57 <Mekkis> Mort-, the secret is summoner (not synthesist) with the feat that gives you sneak attack
22:05:11 <Mekkis> give the eidolon as many weapons as possible
22:05:45 <Mekkis> by level 5, your eidolon's making about 10 attacks per round
22:05:51 <Mekkis> each with 1d6 sneak attack
22:06:12 <Mort-> Lol
22:06:25 <Mekkis> you CAN do it with synthesist instead
22:06:35 <Mort-> Its not a feat that gives you sneak attack
22:06:49 <Mort-> Its teamwork precise strike
22:07:22 <Mort-> And you need hands right. But you don't have twf
22:07:22 <Mort-> So how does that work
22:07:25 <Mort-> And precise strike needs 2 people with the same feat.
22:07:47 <Mort-> I'm not wielding multiple weapons
22:07:53 <Mort-> Not sure what it entails
22:08:23 <Mort-> Thats the 1d6
22:08:35 <Mekkis> Mort-, you take it
22:08:39 <Mort-> If i really wanted more sa i pump my thug site
22:08:40 <Mekkis> do does your eidolon
22:08:42 <Mort-> Side
22:08:47 <Mort-> Yeah
22:08:54 <Mort-> Then you must be his flanking buddy
22:09:19 <Mort-> What happens if i pumped my thug side to 3 and took pounce
22:09:21 <Mort-> Hm
22:09:37 <Mort-> If i beat them on initiative...
22:09:46 <Mort-> Flat footed ac + charge
22:10:17 <Mekkis> tung1 / master spy1 gives you 2d6 sneak attack
22:10:22 <Mekkis> thug*
22:10:30 <Mort-> I won't have feats for it
22:10:36 <Mort-> 2 feats required
22:10:39 <Mekkis> Mytiazair has it :S
22:10:51 <Mekkis> but synthesists don't have enough feats
22:10:56 <Mort-> Yes
22:11:00 <Mort-> You know my problems
22:11:05 <Mort-> So i can't take that.
22:11:26 <Mort-> Flanking isn't that much of a problem for me
22:11:42 <Mort-> As in i don't mind taking a few smacks to get into position
22:11:48 <Mort-> Heck. I even have acro
22:12:16 <Mort-> But I've been lucky :d
22:12:38 <Mort-> My groupies realised my damage output goes up quite some the moment i get flanking
22:12:53 <Mort-> They're nice :d
22:13:30 <Mort-> But i think one of those things I'm going to hate is undead
22:13:40 <Mort-> All those fort crap really gets me down
22:14:01 <Mekkis> evolutions were arms and claws?
22:14:01 <Mort-> Unlike a true fighter - my fort save is epic shit
22:14:08 <Mort-> Yeah
22:14:13 <Mort-> I have reach now anyway
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22:18:49 <Mort-> Worst are those incorpreal types
22:18:57 <Mort-> I can't even harm them lol. No magic
22:19:02 <Mort-> Well not exactly
22:19:18 <Mort-> If i get pushed to it its lesser evolution surge. Magic weapons
22:19:23 <Mort-> Then bring it on!
22:19:39 <Mort-> Nom nom nom shadows
22:21:54 <Mort-> But i hate undead
22:26:28 <Avatar> maybe you should play a cleric
22:27:02 <Mekkis> maybe I should
22:27:16 <Mort-> Cleric doesn't mean you like undead
22:27:30 <Mort-> They all have channel resistance and high will saves
22:28:51 <Mort-> Anyway. Remember about the no divine casters thing for me :p
22:28:58 * Mort- giggles
22:29:23 <Mekkis> you have a ranger!
22:29:58 <Mort-> Yeah but it isn't as powerful as. Well a cleric
22:30:52 <Mort-> And i can't cast any shit anyway
22:33:29 <Avatar> no I mean you can channel to kill undead
22:33:33 <Avatar> since you hate them
22:34:08 <Mort-> Actually the best way to get undead down is probably with a hammer
22:34:15 <Mort-> Channels do like 1d6?
22:34:20 <Avatar> yeah, at 1st level
22:34:22 <Mort-> Bleh
22:34:29 <Mort-> Channel resistance
22:34:29 <Mekkis> nah
22:34:34 <Avatar> that's 1st level mort
22:34:34 <Mekkis> channel to control undead!
22:34:39 <Mort-> And high will save of undeads
22:34:47 <Mort-> That's cool but how do you do that
22:35:10 <Avatar> if you have high wis like a cleric should, it doesn't matter if they have high will saves
22:36:05 <Mort-> Sure. Tell me the last time i tried to glitterdust some aberations
22:36:19 <Avatar> that is not the same thing
22:36:24 <Avatar> channels kill undead
22:36:26 <Mort-> Did you know a cr2 ghast has +9 to will save?
22:36:43 <Mort-> I think a hammer is more efficient
22:36:50 <Mort-> Or an empowered fireball
22:37:02 <Avatar> your DC when you fight 3 ghasts will be high
22:37:26 <Mort-> Say you're a level 3 cleric with 18 wis
22:37:33 <Mort-> What's your dc for channel?
22:37:39 <Mort-> 15?
22:38:33 <Avatar> 10 + 1/2 cleric level + cha mod
22:38:39 <Avatar> not wis sorry
22:39:09 <Avatar> so 14 at 3rd level with say a 16 cha
22:40:33 <Avatar> what book is ghast in
22:40:35 <Mort-> Ok round down for all the halves
22:40:37 <Avatar> not in bestiary 1 2 or 3
22:41:22 <Avatar> a wraith at CR 5 has a will save of +6
22:41:59 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/undead/ghoul/ghoul-ghast
22:42:10 <Mort-> I found this cute bugger
22:42:24 <Mort-> Ok will was 7
22:43:02 <Avatar> you're looking at a worst possible scenario
22:43:26 <Avatar> ghoul variants
22:43:30 <Avatar> that will almost never show up
22:43:38 <Mort-> Oh
22:43:46 <Mort-> i randomly look at monsters
22:44:15 <Mort-> So anyway channeling is holy crap when it comes to pwning undead
22:44:45 <Mort-> So at level 3 you would have 14 dc on a channel
22:44:58 <Mort-> Oh. If someday i do happen to see a ghast
22:45:06 <Mort-> Ill report i got eaten
22:45:19 <Mort-> To you avatar :d then say i told you so
22:46:12 <Avatar> yeah but if you encounter undead in a group, and you usually do, they all have ot save against each channel
22:46:23 <Avatar> and I think they take half damage even if they save
22:46:54 <Mort-> What is channel resistance for then
22:47:11 <Avatar> it's like spell resistance
22:47:24 <Mekkis> no it isn't
22:47:31 <Mekkis> it's a bonus to will saves vs channel
22:47:32 <Avatar> isn't it
22:47:47 <Mekkis> or effective HD
22:48:13 <Mekkis> SR means "fail your spells 60% of the time"
22:48:18 <Avatar> yeah you're right
22:49:17 <Mort-> Hm. Maybe a cleric using control undead on channel would be nice
22:49:26 <Mort-> Again i think you will hit your hd limit
22:49:47 <Mort-> Too easy..
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23:17:30 <Mekkis> is there still an HD limit?
23:23:56 <Mort-> Yes
23:24:01 <Mort-> Of your cleric level
23:24:26 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/command-undead---final
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