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14:49 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sat 2nd 11am (MincedSushi, first steps) / Sun 3rd 11am (Steven, tier 2-4 MODULE) || All topic times are AEST (UTC+10:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
14:49 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sat Jun  2 00:00:24 2012
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52:49 <Mort> night all
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16:36 * Steven pouts
16:48 <Steven> and i didnt really learn it because I was super interested
17:06 <Steven> it was either learn axe throwing or learn how to pull chain
17:16 <Steven> and so i decided to learn something i could kill a person with
17:25 <Steven> stupid highschool electives
17:49 <Steven> i took forestry and farmland classes with my then girlfriend cause she was a farm girl
17:55 <Steven> also... she was hot as fuck
18:14 <Steven> but ultimately dumb as fuck because at 18 she wanted to get married and have kids
18:37 <Steven> and accurately, i could throw a hatchet 15-20yrds
19:00 <Steven> max... i might get to 30-35 if i dont have to hit anything
19:09 <Steven> just put all my power into throwing it
19:21 <War_Wrecker> On a scale of 0-5 with 2 being average and 5 being the absolute best how would you rate your strength?
19:31 <War_Wrecker> 2 or 3?
19:40 <War_Wrecker> at the time that is
20:52 <Steven> you mean back in highschool when i could throw my best?
20:55 <War_Wrecker> yes
20:55 <Steven> prolly a 4
21:11 <War_Wrecker> lol
21:11 <Steven> I used to have much bigger arms then i do now
21:20 <War_Wrecker> I'll put that as a 3
21:26 <Steven> no, a 4
21:42 <War_Wrecker> gimme a sec
21:54 <Steven> dude i am 6'4" and weight 240lbs 
22:01 <Steven> at the time, now im just a fat guy
22:10 <War_Wrecker> fine a 4 it is
22:36 <Steven> but yeah, back then i coudl prolly throw 30-35yrds no prob, now i would have to take a few throws
23:11 <Steven> god that makes me depressed.... ive gained 70lbs in 12 years
23:15 <War_Wrecker> similarly how would you rate yourself in terms of axe throwing skill independent of your strength, from 0-5 with 5 being the absolute best
23:27 <Steven> Good thing everybody in the house decided we are gonna diet
23:34 <War_Wrecker> as a note 5's could be potentially more than you could ever accomplish
23:51 <Steven> uhh....
23:54 <War_Wrecker> and yes I am creating you as a character in the system
23:57 <Steven> lets go 5 as my teacher
24:09 <Steven> cause he was a freakin god at axe throwing
24:13 <War_Wrecker> okay
24:19 <Steven> a 3
24:41 <Steven> i saw my teacher throw two axes
24:47 <Steven> and hit with both of them
25:02 <Steven> which is why i went with axe throwing instead of pulling chain
25:43 <War_Wrecker> right
25:53 <Steven> so while the rest of them learned skills they were going to use in their forestry careers, i learned how to kill a man
26:04 <Steven> I think i made the better choice.
26:09 <War_Wrecker> I first started working with the creator of this system to revise throwing axes when i discovered that the maximum range was 15 metres
26:20 <War_Wrecker> as that seems uncharacteristically low
26:27 <Steven> ehhhhhh....
26:38 <War_Wrecker> not the maximum effective range, the maximum range
26:46 <Steven> but really kind of accurate.... most people cant throw an axe
26:48 <War_Wrecker> like the furthest range increment was 15 metres
27:01 <War_Wrecker> most people have a 0 in axe skill
27:12 <Steven> yeah, but you have to think thats from a stand still
27:29 <War_Wrecker> then the book needs to compensate for techniques
27:37 <Steven> it does, there are feats
27:40 <War_Wrecker> speaking of which i have identified i think 4 techniques
27:53 <War_Wrecker> stationary throw
27:56 <War_Wrecker> lunge throw
28:01 <War_Wrecker> 2 handed throw
28:14 <War_Wrecker> and some people created a weird pinwheel throw
28:27 <War_Wrecker> to throw larger axes in one hand
28:46 <Steven> thats a hammertoss kind of way
29:03 <Steven> have you never seen track and field sports?
29:13 <War_Wrecker> it was rotation through the vertical plane not the horizontal plane
29:16 <Steven> sorry not thats, theres
29:35 <War_Wrecker> as in they start with the axe in front of them
29:41 <War_Wrecker> swing it down and around and then release
29:50 <War_Wrecker> going about 200 degrees of rotation
30:04 <Steven> im commin down off a migraine, my words are getting mixed up in my head
30:32 <War_Wrecker> anyhow under this system the range increments are locked for those without the skill in throwing axes
31:14 <Mort-> Your accurate with thrown axes?
31:14 <War_Wrecker> those untrained (by the system) cannot throw beyond the third range increment
31:16 <Mort-> Eek
31:53 <War_Wrecker> training exponentially increases the range by allowing axes to be thrown at more range increments as well as increasing the range increments themselves
32:48 <War_Wrecker> the good news for the system is that your numbers fit perfectly within the system if i adjust the range increments accordingly
36:34 <Steven> mort... Yes i am acurrate with throwing axes
42:14 <War_Wrecker> Anyhow how would you classify axe throwing techniques, or do you think I got them all?
43:50 <Mort-> So you're accurate with throwing pillows as well? :(
44:02 <Mort-> I'm bad at physical stuff. Clumsy. 
44:02 <Steven> i dunno, we always used to just throw hachets one handed and axes with two hands
44:11 <Mort-> I miss a lot
44:30 <Steven> not any real varity in throwing techniques
44:50 <Steven> as once you have the basics down, you just make up your own style as long as it works for you
45:12 <War_Wrecker> did you ever throw with just the arm or did you always do the stepping lunge?
45:12 <Steven> im sure theres like competition techniques, but i never did any competitions
45:50 <Steven> stepping lunge?
46:10 <War_Wrecker> its not really a lunge
46:28 <War_Wrecker> but the point is you step forward as you throw and you twist and put your entire body into the arm as you throw
47:00 <War_Wrecker> Essentially using as many muscles as possible to make the throw
47:02 <Steven> uh.... no
47:09 <Steven> you will end up missing more if you do that
47:35 <Steven> you mostly just use your elbow in the throw
47:46 <Steven> you get a pretty solid wide stance
47:58 <War_Wrecker> okay here we go
48:00 <War_Wrecker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1BLn735RQM&feature=related
48:06 <War_Wrecker> see here he steps and leans?
48:09 <War_Wrecker> did you do that?
48:27 <Steven> you put your throwing leg forward towards the target
48:33 <Steven> and then throw with your arm
49:14 <War_Wrecker> did you throw from a stationary stance or did you step and throw?
49:33 <Steven> stationary mostly
49:42 <Steven> but i was taught differently then that guy throws
49:47 <War_Wrecker> exactly
49:55 <Steven> he is using knifes mostly
50:01 <War_Wrecker> i know
50:13 <War_Wrecker> from what I've studied his technique for the axes is fine
50:26 <Steven> yeah except inaccurate
50:32 <War_Wrecker> its just that I'm trying to get some sort of comparison between techniques
50:57 <War_Wrecker> My parties axe thrower is going to enjoy this a lot
51:05 <War_Wrecker> party's*
51:27 <Steven> stepping method ends up decreasing accuracy because you are putting additional movement into the technique
51:48 <War_Wrecker> however it should be additional strength and consequently distance
51:57 <Steven> not really
52:12 <Steven> technique will trump strength every time
52:22 <War_Wrecker> ah that's another thing
52:32 <Steven> when you throw an axe you build torque up in your arm
52:38 <Steven> by the way you throw it
53:06 <Steven> strength doesnt really come into it so long as you can life the axe
53:16 <Steven> lift
53:35 <War_Wrecker> Would two people of equal skill have significantly different distances based on their strength?
54:26 <Steven> if they bothed used the exact same technique, the one with greater strength might have a little bit more distance on the throw, but not a lot more
54:42 <Steven> not like 10yrds more
54:57 <Steven> maybe a yard or two
55:35 <Steven> to be accurate with the throw you have to limit the strength you put into it, because when you are putting a lot of strength into something you become tense
55:41 <Steven> which makes you inaccurate
57:35 <Mort-> There is something about that in bowling as well
58:00 <Mort-> Everytime i try to use more force my ball goes down the drain
58:53 <Steven> seriously man, hatchet throwing is not about strength
00:00 <Mort-> I say its because i didn't get the right ball.
00:16 <Mort-> If i used a gnome i bet ill strike
00:17 <Steven> it helps because you get to make sure it has enough force to stick
03:39 <War_Wrecker> Yeah I'm going to put that in that strength is just a minimum limiting factor on throwing axes in the first place
03:46 <War_Wrecker> Of course damage is scaled with strength
03:54 <Steven> usually yeah
04:01 <War_Wrecker> Just working out ranges
04:02 * Mort- wants a gnome to roll down the alley
04:07 <Mort-> Not entirely
04:11 <Steven> ive had girls out throw me
04:23 <Mort-> I bet id do more damage throwing an axe at your face
04:42 <Mort-> Then if it clanked off your full plate
04:46 <Steven> so im very serious when i say its not about strength
05:04 <Steven> mort... wanna have an axe throwing competition?
05:10 <Steven> me and you
05:15 <Steven> lets do it!
05:23 * Steven throws an axe at mort
06:05 <Steven> !throw 1d20+3 AXED!
06:05 <diebot> Steven, AXED!: [1d20=14] 17
06:10 <Steven> woot woot!
08:00 <Steven> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG1STYKMF8&feature=related
08:08 <War_Wrecker> indeed
08:09 <Steven> thats a damn nice throw from 75 feet
08:12 <War_Wrecker> I've used that as reference
08:44 <War_Wrecker> I just want to see him do it 10 more times for accuracy references
09:00 <Steven> he probably did, and missed those 10 times
10:39 <War_Wrecker> But I need to know
10:57 <War_Wrecker> Its no so much that a throw is possible
11:05 <Mort-> I can't even lift the axe
11:05 <War_Wrecker> I need to know if its probably
11:29 <Mort-> !throw 1d20-1 try to throw an axe at Steven
11:29 <diebot> Mort-, try to throw an axe at Steven: [1d20=9] 8
11:58 <Steven> thats pretty accurate throw for you mort.  I actually know how to throw them and i only got a +3
12:40 <Steven> i figure weapon proficiency, im moderately dexterous, and weapon focus throwing axe
13:11 <War_Wrecker> Yeah the system i'm using gives more bonuses for things like that
13:31 <War_Wrecker> But there is a base defense score for hitting a target at range
14:35 <War_Wrecker> Like I think you'd get maybe a +6 in this system
14:53 <War_Wrecker> maybe a +5
15:26 <Steven> yeah, i remember the conversation i had with my teacher when he was having us all pick what we wanted to learn and get good at
15:26 <War_Wrecker> of course to hit a human sized target at 10 metres would have a +8 to hit
15:48 <Steven> and i was like axe throwing
16:02 <Steven> and i was the only person that picked it as my sole thing to learn
16:32 <Steven> and he was like seriously?  Steve you're a cityboy
16:49 <Steven> and i was like yeah, which means im going to need to know how to kill more zombies then anyone else in the class.
17:32 <War_Wrecker> Anyhow I'm off for now
17:48 <Steven> everyone just looked at me like i was crazy...
17:58 <War_Wrecker> be happy that you're now part of a subject pool of 1 for the evaluation of the throwing axe system
18:12 <Steven> flashforward to 2012... man eats another mans face in florida...
18:29 <War_Wrecker> my zombie plan is sound
18:43 <War_Wrecker> it relies on the fact that zombies can't do anything that humans can't
19:02 <Steven> crazy for learning how to throw axes?  yeah.... maybe.  But i dont want to get in melee range were zombies are the strongest.
19:19 <War_Wrecker> listen to this for my zombie plan
19:29 <War_Wrecker> First of all; Stairs
19:31 <War_Wrecker> Stairs
20:42 <War_Wrecker> 2 flights of stairs being the primary method of traversing my house from floor to floor
20:52 <War_Wrecker> in a 3 story house
20:53 <Steven> sams off in 15 minutes woot woot
20:53 <Mort-> I didn't take weapon profeciency into account
21:06 <Mort-> I'm taking dex score of 8
21:12 <War_Wrecker> hah
21:27 <Steven> morts not dexterous or strong
21:28 <Mort-> -5 to mod then
21:33 <War_Wrecker> my system would probably give you a bonus of +1
21:35 <War_Wrecker> or +0
21:43 <Steven> pity for her
21:46 <War_Wrecker> Of course that's against test scores of 8
21:51 <War_Wrecker> so enjoy the -7
22:30 <War_Wrecker> sentient targets get the base score plus any other defenses plus rolls if they block or dodge
22:46 <Steven> i would probably qualify for Point blank shot as well
22:51 <War_Wrecker> so you would literally be attack at a -7, PLUS the opponents opposing rolls
22:53 <Steven> lol
22:57 <War_Wrecker> attacking*
23:11 <Steven> alright, goin afk, be back in like 30, imma take me a shower
23:15 <War_Wrecker> This system runs on a lot of GM discretion
23:38 <War_Wrecker> like weapons have a minimum range at which point you can't attack with them because people are just too close to allow you to make the motions
39:52 <Mort-> Lol
40:02 <Mort-> Not my fault I'm clumsy
40:20 <Mort-> And probably yeah. One wizard/bard coming up :p
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10:46 <Mort-> Actually i have chopped wood with a handaxe before
14:15 <Avatar> I knew it all along
14:20 <Avatar> mort is a lumberjack by trade
17:44 <Steven> i always suspected as well
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25:21 <Mort-> Lol
25:24 <Mort-> Kidding
25:38 <Mort-> I did that when i was a girl guide!
25:58 <Avatar> a likely story
26:09 <Mort-> Well I'm telling the truth
26:19 * Mort- sighs
26:33 <Avatar> being a lumberjack is nothing to be ashamed of mort
27:33 <Mort-> !throw 4#1d8+1
27:34 <diebot> Mort-, 4#1d8+1: [1d8=2] 3, [1d8=2] 3, [1d8=5] 6, [1d8=6] 7
28:11 <Mort-> Can't wait till i can fly...
28:17 * Steven dodges all the axes...
29:05 <Mort-> !throw 3d10
29:05 <diebot> Mort-, 3d10: [3d10=5,5,4] 14
31:50 * Steven has been struck with an axe
32:50 * Steven has ben wounded
33:01 <Steven> .me throws axes back
35:12 <Steven> !throw 1d20+3
35:12 <diebot> Steven, 1d20+3: [1d20=14] 17
35:15 <Avatar> you can fly now
35:26 <Steven> yes, you are flying back with an axe in your chest!
36:00 <Steven> BOOO-KASHAW
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58:52 <Steven> im always surprised when people take feats as a rogue that dont up their survivability and they just try to do more damage
59:07 <Steven> you can make a rogue annoyingly hard to kill
59:18 <Mekkis> but even with sneak attack, a rogue's damage pales in comparison to a fighter
59:28 <Steven> so does a gunslinger
59:34 <Mekkis> tell that to Buck
59:40 <Steven> and a fighters damage is behind a barbs
00:28 <Steven> if all you rank characters on is damage output, theres no need to ever have anything other then barbs
00:48 <Mekkis> that's not what I'm ranking them on
01:04 <Mekkis> a character needs three things
01:10 <Mekkis>  - a method to get to the action
01:23 <Mekkis>  - a method to participate in the action; and 
01:29 <Mekkis>  - a method to survive the action
01:36 <Mekkis> I'm trying to work out the second bit
01:58 <Mekkis> a gunslinger will participate by shooting the enemies and doing meaningful damage
01:59 <Steven> perhaps i just build my rogue characters different then you see down at where ever you play other then here
02:17 <Mekkis> perhaps. That's why I'm asking
02:31 <Mekkis> because I want to know what a rogue can expect to do during combat
02:32 <Steven> rogues are utility characters that can occationally damage
03:25 <Steven> a lot like clerics really
03:32 <Mekkis> so what can a rogue expect to do during combat
03:42 <Mekkis> a cleric can do stuff like channel and cast bless and stuff
03:44 <Steven> I always build my rogues around UMD, feint, and face skills
04:00 <Avatar> Mekkis: pass on rats
06:05 <Steven> but seriously, rogues can do things, its just people always think okay i need to do sneak attack damage, so i have to get in flank... they get their one shot in for good damage and then stand around the rest of the time
06:21 <Steven> and do craptastic things
06:48 <Mekkis> I know how flanking works
07:17 <Steven> when after they get their one shot off, they need to start feinting, dirty tricking, or picking get on casters
09:23 <Steven> Ill build a rogue for you to play with mekkis
11:45 <Steven> In the home brew tonight, my character has like +13 Bluff at first level, walked up to Kobold Slavers and convinced them he had slaves to sell
12:07 <Steven> which were kobolds i had captured earlier in the day
12:34 <Mekkis> heh
13:31 <Steven> My friend josh's character an evil female gunslinger
13:37 <Steven> and myself
14:11 <Steven> escorted the mayor of some town through the forest cause he wanted to go to some family cabin
14:23 <Steven> and we were waylayed by bandits, which we killed quite easily
14:46 <Steven> and then in the basement of the cabin there was a wine cellar w/ some casks of wine in it
14:54 <Steven> 200+ years old and valuable
15:02 <Steven> and i tried talking the mayor out of some of it
15:21 <Steven> he told us no, and the gunslinger threated to break some barrels if he didnt share
15:25 <Steven> so the mayor attacked her
15:38 <Steven> with a poisoned blade
15:50 <Steven> so i killed the mayor, and then convinced everyone he was killed by bandits
16:00 <Steven> it was terrible
16:09 <Steven> so now the town we are going to spend the next several weeks in
16:12 <Steven> has no mayor
16:26 <Steven> and we unloaded like 12 casks of wine we 'found'
18:47 <Steven> the rest of the party asked for their 'cut' and we told em to get fucked cause they were of killing goblins
22:56 <Mekkis> ah
25:40 <Steven> all in all, very successful campaign
26:12 <Steven> next time we find out if i hit with my dumping of burning hot pitch all over some baddies
26:27 <Mort> hello
26:31 * Mort feels misunderstood
27:14 * Mort wags her tail though
28:17 <Steven> you should...
28:56 <Steven> Mort i had a great night... how bout you
29:01 <Mort> It isnt night yet
29:03 <Mort> acutally its night
29:08 <Mort> and Im going to go to bed in maybe 1h 30 min
29:11 <Mort> or so.
29:27 <Steven> midnight bedtime... seems legit
30:03 <Mort> no
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30:06 <Mort> its 10 pm bedtime
30:06 <Mort> :D
30:11 <Mort> Im the sleep early wake up early sort
30:14 * Mort is NOT an owl
30:17 * Mort is a Lark!
30:19 <Steven> oh yeah you are in... where ever
30:38 <Steven> well really you're not a lark either
30:53 <Steven> nor are you a lemur
30:58 <Mekkis> a bat maybe
31:06 <Steven> i dunno
31:21 <Steven> i was thinking more along the lines of smething creepy and lazy
31:24 <Steven> like a sloth
31:29 * Mort growls at steven
31:40 <Mort> urm mekkis why do you think Im a bat?
31:51 <Mort> do I uh..have any batty traits?
31:53 <Mekkis> you're blind by daylight
31:53 * Mort bites Steven
31:58 <Mekkis> you bite
31:58 <Mort> blind by daylight?
32:02 <Mort> what do you mean
32:04 <Mort> lots of things bite.
32:12 <Mekkis> and your shit probably infects horses
32:14 <Mort> who told you I cant see by daylight
32:18 * Mort growls at Mekkis
32:20 <Mekkis> you did
32:22 * Mort bites Mekkis
32:23 <Mort> huh?
32:24 <Mort> no?
32:28 <Mort> Im fine in daylight
33:12 * Steven feels no pain from Morts bite.
33:20 * Mekkis has DR
33:35 <Steven> DR HIGH FIVE!
33:41 * Steven high fives Mekkis
33:44 * Mort sighs
33:47 * Mort mopes in a corner
33:56 <Steven> dont be hatin mort
34:00 <Mekkis> Mort, I should run Asmodeus mirage for you
34:48 <Mort> is it a retired scenario?
34:52 <Mekkis> yes
34:52 * Mort tail twiddles
34:54 <Mort> Lol
34:59 <Mort> then I risk getting killed without any gain
35:02 <Mort> I mean I like stories but...
35:05 <Mort> :P
35:12 <Mekkis> well, no
35:16 <Mort> really?
35:20 <Mort> okay then lets pop in and have a look?
35:21 <Mekkis> because if you die, your death won't be reported
35:24 <Mort> ah k
35:27 <Mort> lets go then
35:31 <Mort> anything for a good tail!
35:35 <Mekkis> not tonight
35:36 * Mort bounces up and down
35:37 <Mort> k
35:39 <Mort> alone?
35:40 <Mekkis> because I have work tomorrow
35:40 <Mort> lolz
35:42 <Mort> kk
35:44 <Mekkis> perhaps Tuesday
35:50 <Mort> lol not on tuesday
35:53 <Mort> I have an appointment..
36:00 <Mort> and Im going to find my skill monkey barb friend..
36:13 <Mort> and we are going to find the 2 legged monster that has been stealing children from the town!
36:16 <Mort> (hopefully)
36:32 <Mekkis> oh
36:49 <Steven> ugh i hate that
36:52 <Mort> why?
36:55 <Steven> sneezed so hard my chest hurt
36:55 <Mekkis> Xanian still hasn't found the person responsible for killing the unicorn
37:07 * Steven whistles innocently
37:17 <Mort> make them pay
37:19 * Mort growls
37:23 * Mort eyes glow blood red
37:24 <Mort> lol
37:40 <Mort> consider..speak to the dead.
37:44 <Mort> Unicorn! Who killed you!
37:46 <Mort> lolz
38:39 <Mort> but its gonna be weird doing it solo
39:27 <Mekkis> we don't have a cleric
39:43 <Mort> Urm...
39:48 <Mort> synthesists are also known to be masters of UMD
39:51 <Mort> so..
39:57 <Mort> since you're a Syn/pally...
40:00 <Mekkis> Xanian isn't
40:03 <Mort> Oh dear
40:06 <Mort> xyn is :p
40:12 <Mort> well secondary skill besides being a good diplomat..
40:16 <Mort> (basic UMD)
40:30 <Mort> prolly can use the CLW wand..
40:37 <Mekkis> one advantage of playing in a group is that you know who your party members are going to be
40:42 <Mort> yeah its nice
40:45 <Mort> Im no taking point this time
40:52 <Mort> I just found out that barb has 18 ac while Im stuck with 16
40:56 <Mort> he can take point :D
41:00 <Mekkis> another advantage of this is that you can take a certain feat at level 7 :)
41:06 <Mort> what is it?
41:15 <Mekkis> leadership
41:19 <Mort> youre the person who gets the advantage of butterfly sting..
41:19 <Mort> ah k
41:26 <Mort> I thought someone was going to do butterfly sting
41:32 <Mort> I cant imagine my cohort
41:38 <Mort> anway I think my game is pretty low level low magic
41:46 <Mort> so I sould be glad none of my abilites are magic dependent so to speak
43:17 <Mekkis> if you're playing low magic, why are you playing Pathfinder?
44:05 <Mort> Hmm
44:14 <Mort> no matter. I decided to leave my brains at hte door
44:18 <Mort> we just had spiders chase us
44:19 <Mort> thats all.
44:49 <Mekkis> (if it's a low-magic setting, play a druid)
45:03 <Mort> nah Im melee
45:08 <Mekkis> play a melee druid
45:15 <Mort> I already created
45:25 <Mekkis> like our good friend Grolschmir!
45:25 <Mort> but anwyay yeah I told you about divine casting right?
45:28 <Mort> im not pissing off my god..
45:38 <Mort> I told you I have issues with divine casting
45:42 <Mekkis> just don't be an idiot
45:50 <Mekkis> and you won't piss off your god
45:59 <Mort> I dont want a god to decide what I do than kyou very much
46:04 <Mort> for that same reason I wont use intelligent weapons eitehr
46:11 <Mort> or something with a mind of its own
46:45 <Mekkis> Mort, you're allergic to roleplaying opportunities!
46:50 <Mort> come on
46:56 <Mort> I can RP whether Im a divine class or not
46:57 <Mort> screw it :D
47:30 <Mort> druid = someone put iron manacles on you and youre skewed...lose all your spellcasting abiltiies :D
47:31 <Mort> lol
47:35 <Mort> wasnt it something like that?
47:52 <Mekkis> nope
48:26 <Mekkis> it was cleric -> start attacking the largest temple devoted to your deity -> lose all your cleric abilities
48:45 <Mort> I mean doodads have their issues too
48:54 <Mort> though I must admit claw/bite/bite makes me HAPPY!
49:06 * Mort wants to nom nom nom!
51:38 <Mekkis> a silver saber named Grayswandir {40}, price 42664 zorkmids, finest quality.--More--
52:31 * Mort nibbles Mekkis
53:08 * Mekkis counts the number of scales on his right foreclaw
53:21 * Mort gulps
53:22 <Mort> oh oh.
53:27 * Mort runs off!
52:49 <Mort> night all
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23:32 <Mekkis> so Mort- IS a diabolist!
23:36 <Mekkis> caught you at it!
23:59 * Mort- giggles at mek
24:12 <Mort-> I'm not too sure what i am
24:37 <Mekkis> that's not a good thing
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14:06 <Steven> !throw 20d6
14:06 <diebot> Steven, 20d6: [20d6=3,3,5,6,3,5,4,2,4,5,5,1,4,4,4,5,4,2,2,3] 74
14:22 <Steven> okay, we didnt have 20d6
14:27 <Steven> thanks
14:38 <Steven> see you guys later!
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19:19 <Steven> hey guys!
19:31 <Steven> so....
19:36 <Steven> i got to drop somebody from 800ft
19:45 <Steven> sadly they had a ring of featherfall
20:25 <Steven> so, then i cast suggestion to remove the ring
20:28 <Steven> bwahahahahaha
20:34 <Steven> 20d6 damage
20:53 <War_Wrecker> lol
21:33 <Steven> i was pretty happy bout it
21:56 <Steven> and we ended before midnight
22:14 <Steven> just got hom
22:16 <Steven> home
22:30 <Steven> and BAM! pizza
22:36 <Steven> this day = epic
25:32 <Avatar> BAM! pizza
26:00 <Avatar> isn't removing the ring an "obviously harmful act"
27:02 <War_Wrecker> I wouldn't say so
27:15 <Avatar> you're floating 800ft off the ground
27:20 <Avatar> only floating by virtue of that ring
27:25 <Avatar> taking it off is obviously harmful
27:43 <War_Wrecker> I think it requires a cognitive leap to link something with MAGICALLY being the only reason you're not falling to your death
28:04 <War_Wrecker> How is it obvious?
28:19 <War_Wrecker> You are falling through the sky
28:20 <Avatar> how isn't it
28:26 <War_Wrecker> someone asks you to take off a ring
28:37 <War_Wrecker> What is taking off the ring going to directly do?
28:46 <Avatar> it doesn't have to be direct
28:52 <Avatar> otherwise almost nothing would work
28:58 <War_Wrecker> Would you say you could use suggestion to tell someone to stand on train tracks?
29:12 <Avatar> yeah, as long as there isn't a train coming 
29:21 <War_Wrecker> and they'd move as soon as the train is coming right?
29:46 <Avatar> the spell would be negated when it becomes harmful to not do so
30:21 <War_Wrecker> I'd say the spell is negated when they become aware of imminent harm from continuing to obey the spell
30:48 <War_Wrecker> I'd say a saving throw for the character to realize that removing the ring will cause them to die
31:04 <War_Wrecker> If they fail the saving throw then they take it off
31:12 <Avatar> yeah either or, it'd eventually be negated
31:21 <Avatar> before 20d6 damage would be done 
31:24 <War_Wrecker> however it might only be negated when they're too late
31:38 <Avatar> I'd say that's a cognitive leap
31:49 <War_Wrecker> However I think what happened is the character takes off the ring
31:52 <War_Wrecker> they lose it
32:01 <War_Wrecker> so later on the spell is negated but they can't put the ring back on
32:12 <War_Wrecker> despite wanting to
32:24 <Avatar> what part of the spell indicates anything like that
32:56 <Avatar> the whole thing is moot in that it doesn't say it has to be obviously directly harmful
33:06 <Avatar> the spirit of the wording is that if it's harmful, the effect is negated
33:09 <War_Wrecker> My interpretation of whether or not a character under suggestion will conceive of taking of their ring of feather fall to be a harmful act
33:22 <Avatar> if doing that act means you end up taking damage, that's harmful
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08:53 <Ballig> I don't think Suggestion makes you stupid
09:00 <Ballig> you know why you aren't falling to your death
13:55 <Mort-> I think i just got a new conditions
14:03 <Mort-> Lazy :p
14:42 * Mort- waves at war_wrecker long time no see!
20:48 * Mort- randomly nibbles avatar and ballig
21:27 * Mort- turns her beady black nose up at Steve because he said i was up to shienagans
21:29 * Ballig gets out the disinfectant
21:47 * Mort- giggles
23:01 * Mort- bounces over to tashes and licks her face
24:19 <MekkisScreen> Suggestion is one of those spells that you should really try and be conservative with
24:30 <Mort-> Hi mekkis!
24:36 <MekkisScreen> it's a mort!
24:47 <Mort-> Last thing i heard you say i was a diabolist?
24:47 * MekkisScreen licks his teeth
24:56 * Mort- looks innocent and fluffs
25:16 <MekkisScreen> mmm
25:18 <Mort-> Are you a big bad mekkis?
25:27 <MekkisScreen> and if I am?
25:49 <Mort-> Uh. I would tell you. I'm skinny and i don't taste good.
26:09 <Mort-> Also eating my flesh would cause you to die horribly of poison.
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26:27 <Mort-> So you really wouldn't want to eat me.
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28:29 <Mort-> Hi tashes!
28:45 <Mort-> Btw mekkis I'm suffering from laziness
29:07 <Mort-> Thus i don't forsee myself ever gming anything :d
29:17 * Mort- lazes around
31:39 <MekkisScreen> that's no excuse!
32:08 <MekkisScreen> you know, even skinny creatures taste good after being boiled
32:11 <MekkisScreen> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/dumptext.php
35:47 <War_Wrecker> bleh
35:54 <War_Wrecker> Guess who's alpha testing a new system?
20:47 <Mort-> Morning
29:00 <Hydrazine> Morning.
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39:53 <Mort-> Lol
40:06 <Mort-> Not my fault I'm clumsy
40:21 <Mort-> And probably yeah. One wizard/bard coming up :p
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48:23 * Mort- feels sleepy
48:47 <Mort-> How did your weekend go
48:53 <Hydrazine> Terribly.
51:37 <Mort-> :(
51:53 <Mort-> I feel stuffed after lunch with family yesterday
52:04 <Hydrazine> I got stood up on two different occassions by two different people.
52:07 <Hydrazine> One of them being my father.
52:51 <Mort-> :(
53:01 <Hydrazine> For the second time in a row, from him.
53:10 * Mort- hugs hydra
53:41 <Mort-> Personally if it were one of my friends i wouldn't go out with him
53:52 <Hydrazine> My father?
53:56 <Mort-> Do i need to make a reflex save?
54:01 <Hydrazine> Don't blame you. I think hes a bit old for you.
54:05 <Mort-> I hate people standing me up
54:29 <Mort-> I'm lawful to a fault. If i can't make it ill let you know
54:42 <Mort-> And so i expect others to do the same
55:26 <Hydrazine> Paladin.
55:39 * Mort- fur stands up
55:46 <Mort-> Want to retract that statement?
56:01 <Mort-> Lol but i can't do anything to you. And i know it :(
56:14 <Hydrazine> Well.
56:19 <Hydrazine> You got the lawful down.
56:39 <Hydrazine> Were I a betting man gambling as to the nature of your alignment.
57:05 <Hydrazine> I would not put my money on neutral. And evil is out of the question.
57:07 <Hydrazine> Thus..
57:08 <Mort-> Its called being a gentleman and honoring your agreement. Directly translated from Chinese
57:35 <Mort-> Even lawful goods do not have to be paladins!
57:51 <Mort-> And how do you know I'm not lawful neutral or evil?
58:14 <Hydrazine> I don't KNOW. But I am rather confident.
58:49 * Mort- is secretly summoning imps to steal her more cookies in her kitchen
58:54 * Mort- grins
59:06 <Hydrazine> Do you pay for these cookies?
59:23 <Mort-> I asked the imps to get me cookies
59:41 <Mort-> I didn't ask where they came from. Or if i needed to pay or not.
00:07 <Mort-> Its their problem not mine. Perhaps they took up baking as a hobby!
01:32 <Hydrazine> Perhaps they're slowly poisoning you with a steady diet of antifreeze.
02:56 <Mort-> Oh dear.
03:24 * Mort- quickly gets some rats to test the cookies
04:14 <Mort-> Anyway my aunt taught us from young. If you make an agreement. You honor it.
04:47 <Mort-> Woe betide you if you said you would do something but forgot ^^
05:26 <Mort-> She was a teacher in school before she retired and her nickname was the tigeress ^^
05:44 <Hydrazine> I see.
06:30 <Mort-> Yup. Strict but fair. 
06:55 * Mort- wags her tail at hydra
08:44 <Mort-> God what's wrong with the train system today. So bloody crowded
32:07 <Mort-> I think I'm going to be late :(
32:13 <Mort-> Train delays
32:15 <Mort-> Again.
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42:59 * Mort- splats
43:27 <Avatar> very imaginative
47:47 <Mort-> Could an earth elemental use a weapon?
47:52 <Mort-> They got hands no?
53:59 <Mekkis> not sure
55:19 <Mort-> I'm thinking of evil things mek.
55:30 <Mort-> I'm falling to the dark side
55:36 <Mekkis> well...
55:59 <Mekkis> try to work out how easy it would be to paint a room in blood
56:03 <Mort-> Id like to know if an earth elemental can use a weapon
58:14 <Mort-> And how heavy a small earth elemental would be
58:36 <Mekkis> what do you have planned?
58:43 <Mort-> Of all elementals i would say the earth elemental has the greatest possibility of using a weapon
58:54 <Mekkis> Itzamna summons earth elementals, and has merchant scales!
58:54 <Mort-> Throwing elementals!
59:15 <Mort-> I'm going to carry a small earth elemental on me
59:42 <Mekkis> how much damage does a thrown weapon do?
59:52 <Mort-> No haha
00:06 <Mort-> I'm trying to get my familiar to coup de grace
00:09 <Mort-> Again.
00:28 <Mort-> A small earth elemental has 16 str
00:44 <Mort-> Give him a hooked lance and since he is doing it 2 handed
00:53 <Mort-> He should do quite some damage
01:43 <Avatar> too much damage, one might say
02:05 <Mekkis> earth elementals already do massive amounts of damage
02:15 <Mekkis> Itzamna generally only summons one creature
02:21 <Mekkis> one type of creature
02:49 <Mekkis> (unlike SOME summoners, Itzamna's more than willing to go somewhere without an eidolon)
08:18 <Mort-> So I'm thinking i carry an earth elemental with me and fly 10 ft in the air
08:30 <Mort-> Earth elemental is holding a hooked lance
08:53 <Mort-> Activate slumber hex. Move into position
09:10 <Mort-> If hex lands. Earth elemental does my dirty work
09:12 <Mort-> ^^
10:06 <Mort-> Ah. Why do i even bother to carry a scimitar :p
10:29 <Mort-> And no. Xyn can't go anywhere without her eidolon
10:46 <Mort-> She and her eidolon are one
12:09 <Mort-> Ill summon eagles next time I'm caught without my suit
13:04 <Mekkis> summon earth elementals
15:39 <Mort-> Too low level dear
15:45 <Mekkis> not 3 yet?
15:51 <Mekkis> you'd better start DMing more!
15:54 <Mort-> She just hit 3
15:56 <Mort-> Lol
15:59 <Mort-> Barely
16:08 <Mort-> And I'm too lazy to dm mek
16:26 <Mort-> Besides i don't think i want to level her by dm cred
16:38 <Mort-> Want to enjoy every damn moment i have with her
17:03 <Mort-> Besides no suit is just temporary
17:18 <Mort-> I have one scroll of summon eidolon
17:25 <Mort-> If i truly want to do that
17:34 <Avatar> you realise you are meant to be applying GM credit as soon as you are done with that game
17:50 <Mort-> Yeah
18:09 <Mort-> But ill choose to level kalara rather then xyniel
18:15 <Mort-> Heh :p
18:20 <Avatar> when did you last GM a game
18:27 <Mort-> Not for ages
18:34 <Mort-> I made my promise remember?
18:42 <Avatar> so really that credit should already be applied
18:49 <Mort-> I wouldnt gm anything here :)
19:04 <Mort-> All gm creds i ever had all used already
19:05 <Mort-> :)
19:15 <Avatar> then what are you talking about
19:17 <Avatar> are you GMing again
19:18 * Mort- is a lawful mur
19:21 <Mort-> No
19:27 <Mort-> I said i probably wouldn't
19:34 <Mort-> Mek thinks i should
19:37 <Mort-> So.
19:46 <Avatar> so you might
19:52 <Mort-> Nah
19:57 <Mort-> I gave my word
20:06 <Mort-> And ill keep it :)
20:12 <Mekkis> Mort-, I never said you should GM here...
20:45 <Avatar> what's wrong with GMing here
21:03 <Mekkis> Mort won't do it?
21:10 <Mort-> :)
21:15 <Avatar> you're suggesting maybe she shouldn't
21:22 <Mort-> Murs always keep their word
21:24 <Mekkis> what?
21:39 <Avatar> aren't you
22:28 <Avatar> ?
22:38 <Mekkis> if switching to another channel's what it'll take to play a session under Mort-, I for one will do it
23:24 <Avatar> but that doesn't make sense unless there's a reason for it
25:16 * Mort- puzzles
25:50 <Mekkis> there is a reason for it
26:10 <Mekkis> because Mort won't run a session here, for her to run a session, it'll have to be somewhere else!
26:20 <Mort-> Lol
26:30 <Avatar> why
26:36 <Mort-> That is if i were to even run anything
26:46 * Mort- is a lazy mur
27:06 <Mekkis> Avatar, can you give me any tips for running QFP2?
27:36 <Mort-> Get the villian to yell rude things at them
27:38 <Mort-> !
27:51 <Avatar> it's not a particularly hard scenario to run
27:57 <Avatar> know the boat mechanics
27:58 <Mekkis> I didn't think so
28:00 <Mort-> Rp the goblins trying to set the boat on fire!
28:00 <Mort-> Lol
28:03 <Mekkis> but how is it to run WELL
28:08 <Avatar> it's qfp 3 you have to worry about
28:16 <Mekkis> that's good
28:21 <Mekkis> because I'm not running it :)
28:35 <Mort-> Just let your hair down and have a ball of a time!
28:45 <Mort-> Well I'm a naughtymur too
28:55 <Avatar> mort you should run a game in here
29:20 <Mekkis> I think Mort- has religious issues with it
29:31 <Avatar> what religious issues
30:05 <Avatar> sux
30:53 <Mort-> No
31:02 <Mort-> I gave my word and ill hold to it
31:18 <Avatar> okay maybe I should say this another way
31:27 <Avatar> why don't you want to run a game
31:48 <Mort-> Because I'm lazy !
31:51 <Mort-> Reason 1
32:07 <Avatar> what's reason 2
32:14 <Mort-> Because i get to buy scenarios and I'm a cheapskate - reason 2
32:24 <Mort-> :d
32:36 <Avatar> well that's a pretty good reason
33:01 <Mort-> Yes!
33:06 <Mort-> I did it right!
33:11 <Avatar> neither of those seem like something you'd give your word not to do it again though
33:42 <Mort-> You know why i won't do it
33:43 <Mort-> Its whether you remember or not
33:52 <Mort-> Doesn't really matter though
34:02 <Avatar> I don't know
34:28 <Avatar> I remember the before the dawn 2 shenanigans, but that happens to every GM at some point
34:30 <Mort-> Then it doesn't matter
34:48 * Mort- shrugs indifferently
35:03 <Avatar> if I traumatised you then I can just not play in your games, I don't mind
35:08 <Brunius> You pulling apart the scenario because someone died, that doesn't happen every time.
35:16 <Mort-> Ok. Back to figuring out how to carry a smallearth elemental
35:29 <Avatar> it's serious enough in PFS to warrant it brunius
36:15 <Mort-> Small earth elemental. How would you carry one leaving its two hands free to hold a hooked lance?
36:21 * Mort- ponders
36:44 <Mort-> I suspect first thing that's going to fk me up is the weight
36:58 <Mort-> Not sure how heavy it is
41:22 <Brunius> whack it in a backpack
42:35 <Mort-> No. It needs to be out in the open
42:38 <Mort-> I am teaching my familiar how to coup de grace!
42:49 <Mort-> Lol
43:02 * Mort- laughs
50:15 <Mekkis> Avatar, where does it say that?
50:24 <Avatar> where does it say what
51:00 <Mekkis> that what happened was "serious enough in PFS to warrant pirating the scenario and traumatising the GM"
51:38 <Avatar> what's in the scenarios are meant to be kept to it as closely as possible
51:43 <Avatar> you know that
51:52 * Mort- hides in a hole
52:15 <Mekkis> might I remind you that in the guide that was legal at the time, the following clause existed:
52:31 <Mekkis> Do Not Read the Scenario
52:31 <Mekkis> Players who read a scenario prior to playing it are considered to be cheating, as it may give them an unfair advantage over other players when accomplishing their goals. Players may read a scenario after they have played it, but may not do so to second guess a GM’s decisions or play styles.
52:58 <Avatar> then there's no way to enforce it is there
54:04 <Mekkis> so it's ok to break a clearly written rule and traumatise a GM, and pirate a paizo product?
54:13 <Avatar> the rule isn't in the current edition
54:18 <Avatar> I'm guessing it got taken out for a good reason
54:42 <Avatar> I talked to mort about why it was a mistake
55:30 <Avatar> I only pirated it to look it up, I don't pirate anything I actually run
56:02 <Avatar> I don't think you can talk to me about accusations of pirating anything mekkis
56:15 <Mekkis> sure I can
56:21 <Avatar> how much do you pirate
56:36 <Mekkis> it's hard to quantify
58:32 <Mekkis> what's your point?
58:32 <Mekkis> O'
58:57 <Mekkis> I've never pirated a scenario to pick apart a GM's style
59:06 <Avatar> my point is you're trying to make me look bad by saying I pirated a scenario when really you pirate plenty yourself
59:14 <Avatar> because it's otherwise a moot point
59:29 <Mekkis> I don't pirate scenarios
59:46 <Avatar> you pirate other things
59:50 <Avatar> it doesn't matter what it is
59:59 <Mekkis> yes it does
00:03 <Avatar> why
00:17 <Mekkis> and for the record, I did kill a PC when I ran BTD2
00:36 <Avatar> ok?
00:37 <Mekkis> he didn't pirate the scenario and bitch about it
01:03 <Avatar> either you did it by the book, he wasn't aware you didn't to do it by the book, or he didn't care
01:55 <Mekkis> even when I've run stuff by the book, you've still complained to me after I killed your characters
02:09 <Avatar> which character
02:18 <Mekkis> Mellon
03:11 <Avatar> you can't tell me that an outsider - who doesn't eat - will eat someone on the ground while they're unconscious, even though outsiders dont' need to eat, and the book doesn't say that mob will do that
03:32 <Mekkis> the book says that the outsider is "waiting to be fed"
03:38 <Mekkis> specific beats general
03:57 <Avatar> you know that even generally speaking having a mob eat someone while they're unconscious on the ground is cruel and unusual punishment
04:11 <Mekkis> not really. I would do it again
04:14 <Avatar> to have an outsider do it, even if the book says they are "waiting to be fed" is the same problem
04:19 <Mekkis> I have done it again
04:25 <Avatar> that's the only reason I looked it up
04:36 <Mekkis> Darkwhite did it in a session I was playing in
04:38 <Avatar> now you have a history of it
08:18 <Mekkis> better to have a history of that, than to have a history of bitching to the GM whenever a PC of yours dies
12:22 <Avatar> it's policing the GM to make sure they're following the rules
16:52 <Steven> were there other PCs alive while this eating was going on?
17:42 <Mort-> Bb!
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19:22 <Mekkis> Steven, not within its range
19:25 <Mekkis> it was on a chain
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21:53 <Mekkis> yay
21:57 <Mekkis> killed by a typo
22:29 <Avatar> he felt it needed to attack something, so the guy on the ground dying was the only option
23:17 <Mekkis> as I said. I've seen Darkwhite do the same at a table I was playing at
23:26 <Mekkis> and he's a very liberal DM
23:37 <Avatar> clearly the circumstances were different because he's not a cruel GM
24:26 <Mekkis> compared with the time Matt Goodall did it, I'd agree with you. Compared with the time I did it, I wouldn't
25:16 <Mekkis> the circumstances were very similar: enemy with a given agenda, unable to attack any other PCs due to being confined within a room, decides to attack a downed PC
25:46 <Mekkis> (for the record, the scenario was one I ran for you too...)
26:26 <Avatar> there was likely more to it than you missed if you are using that as your argument for doing it yourself
26:46 <Mekkis> he explained to me why he did it shortly after the encounter
27:54 <Avatar> okay?
38:30 <Mekkis> but criticising playstyles like that - that is inexcusable
40:09 <Mekkis> What are four quick ways to become a leader in the Society? a) Execute numerous successful missions in which you risk your life. b) 'Hunt Oliphants'. In Common: - manipulate a massive Society-wide shadow conspiracy against the Society itself then leverage that shadow war into a seat as a Faction Head. c) Orchestrate numerous assassinations against the Decemvirate while working from the inside (Note: might end badly). d) Betray one's own chosen faction b
40:09 <Mekkis> y assisting other factions and seeking their assistance in return, all in the pursuit of fame. 
40:40 <Brunius> ha
42:46 <Steven> oh oh oh i have another one
43:51 <Steven> Wish...
44:10 <Mekkis> heh
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46:44 <Mort> wee
46:46 <Mort> back
46:55 <Mekkis> I think Itzamna should play in the next interactive
47:19 <Mort> ineractive?
47:40 <Mekkis> multi-table thingy
47:44 <Mort> Oh
47:51 <Mort> whens the next multi table thingy
48:03 <Mekkis> either paizoconoz or Arcanacon
48:07 <Mort> oh
48:08 <Mort> so looong
48:13 <Mekkis> yeah
48:14 <Mort> yeah but itzamna's cool
48:22 <Mekkis> I need to find a con around october
48:25 <Mort> Im sorry we never got ot meet after you got corrupted
48:27 <Mort> :(
48:30 <Mort> I hope you find a pally soon
48:32 <Mort> lol
48:32 <Mekkis> corrupted?
48:35 <Mort> yeah
48:37 <Mort> Crate them up?
48:39 <Mekkis> Itzamna isn't corrupted?
48:41 <Mort> Excuse me..uhh..?
48:49 <Mort> you said you were going to worship asmodeus!
48:51 <Mekkis> he's just earning a living
49:05 <Mort> there are OTHER ways
49:10 <Mekkis> I know
49:12 <Mekkis> don't worry
49:15 <Mort> pathfinder life is pretty profitable most of the time
49:17 <Mekkis> he only crates up humans
49:17 <Mort> I hope you find a pally
49:23 * Mort growls
49:27 <Mort> Xcuse me, I have a human
49:39 <Mort> I hope someone reforms you
49:44 <Mekkis> well THAT's interesting
49:49 <Mort> and if I do catch that inquisitor...
49:56 <Mort> Im going to give him a good talking to
50:02 <Mort> whats interesting?
50:07 <Mort> I have no intention of being crated up
50:07 <Mekkis> he'll be playing a scenario on Wednesday!
50:11 <Mort> oh haha
50:13 <Mort> have fun
50:17 <Mekkis> with Mytiazair!
50:17 <Mort> I wont be around anyway
50:23 <Mort> that inquisitor?
50:26 <Mekkis> ja
50:29 <Mort> hes going to corrupt Mytz?
50:29 <Mekkis> Balaah
50:33 <Mekkis> nope
50:39 <Mort> I dont think myz needs any help
50:46 <Mort> he isnt exactly too shiny himself..
50:48 <Mekkis> Mytiazair can see through all that BS
50:53 <Mort> lol
51:03 <Mekkis> he bought a headband of motive sensing!
51:07 <Mort> Mort wouldnt do it becuase of goody two shoes reasons
51:18 <Mekkis> Look
51:20 <Mort> It just aint right ye know
51:21 <Mort> :D
51:26 <Mekkis> Sometimes you need to Impose your Will on people
51:31 <Mort> me?
51:36 <Mekkis> so that they See things the Right Way
51:39 <Mort> As long as my party hasnt been killing too many people..
51:46 <Mort> I think they are on the right way. More or less
51:48 <Mort> :)
52:08 <Mort> baiscally my party has behaved like a bunch of angels...
52:19 <Mort> (A few reproachful looks and tonguelashings later..)
52:32 <Mekkis> and Achieve your Objectives, spreading Trade, Freedom, Justice, Liberty, and preventing the pilfering of Artefacts from their tombs
52:41 <Mort> Dont be silly
52:47 <Mort> Pathfinders piffer from tombs all the time
52:48 <Mekkis> do you even know what Mytiazair's faction IS?
52:49 <Mort> pifer
52:52 <Mort> Yeah
52:53 <Mort> same as mine
53:01 <Mekkis> you /sure/?
53:03 <Mort> but I dont think andoran said anything about no pifering from tombs?
53:05 <Mort> changed?
53:11 <Mort> I know you did my faction mission for me
53:12 <Mort> the last time
53:19 <Steven> mort make a paladin
53:24 <Mort> Nah..
53:29 <Steven> chicken shit
53:31 <Mort> I told you I dont want any bloody god to tell me what to do
53:40 <Mort> I like my own free will. And NO intelligent weapons either
54:02 <Mekkis> Mort, a change of faction is on the books: next time the opportunity arises to change factions without penalty....
54:15 <Mort> I wont change any of my factions :)
54:20 <Mort> You can go your way, Ill stay mine :)
54:29 <Mort> though Ive heard taldor have some really fun faction missions
54:30 <Mekkis> ah, but you haven't played a certain scenario
54:36 <Mort> maybe.
54:42 <Mort> but we're both different people
54:52 <Mekkis> you still haven't played that scenario!
54:58 <Mort> Myz is waaay more wordly then Mort is anyway to begin with
55:06 <Mort> see how it goes
55:13 <Mort> considering none of us are getting very much past 5...
55:22 <Mort> dont think we're going to have too much luck on whatever scenario its called
55:38 <Mekkis> it's a 7-11
55:44 <Mekkis> and I won't reveal anything else about it
55:44 <Mort> so. I cant paly it :D
55:46 * Mort grinz
55:46 <Mort> k
55:49 <Mort> Im only 6
55:54 * Mort is a babymur
56:16 <Steven> hey mekkis why do you think mort is so dumb to think that gods tell a player what they can and cant do?
56:36 <Mort> its an opening
56:41 <Mekkis> because she hasn't actually played one
56:42 <Mort> Maybe Im paranoid
56:46 <Mekkis> Mort, play a druid then
56:49 <Mort> paranoid might be the word 
56:54 <Steven> that might explain it mek
56:56 <Mort> I told you I have issues with divine casters
57:09 <Mekkis> you've got a ranger, right?
57:12 <Mort> I dont want anything or anyone telling me to do what I do
57:13 <Mort> yeah I do
57:16 <Mort> but he doesnt have spellies
57:20 <Mekkis> ranger = divine caster
57:22 <Mort> and beisdes Im going to pretend hes a big dumb fighter
57:25 <Mort> till he gets his spells
57:26 <Mort> :P
57:38 <Mort> then Oooh. he gets abit smarter :)
57:50 <Steven> im just amazed you have disqualified half the magic in the game on the premis that a god is following around your character telling him what he can and cant do
58:01 <Mort> yeah thats the way it is anyway
58:06 <Mort> and Pally is the worst of the LOT
58:07 <Mort> ewwww
58:11 <Mekkis> even though oracles, druids and rangers don't actually follow gows
58:12 <Mekkis> gods*
58:23 <Steven> yeah, its like worshiping nature
58:27 <Mort> still there is some restraint somewhere
58:31 <Mort> so if yo see someone chopping trees
58:35 <Mort> youre supposed to tell them to stop?
58:38 <Steven> no, theres not.  ive seen evil druids
58:47 <Mort> and you have to free all the animals you see in the market?
58:53 <Mort> cos its prevention of cruelty to animals?
58:59 <Steven> hell no
59:03 <Mekkis> Ah, I understand now
59:11 <Mekkis> Mort's been corrupted by stereotypes
59:15 <Steven> druids would all be in jail if they went around freeing animals and killing lumberjacks
59:36 <Mekkis> that's why she hates gnomes, druids, clerics, paladins, members of the Silver Crusade, members of Cheliax....
59:43 <Steven> druids just means you LIKE nature
59:50 <Mekkis> you respect nature
59:53 <Steven> And when able you will assist it
00:13 <Mort> excuse me.
00:18 <Mort> I AM a member of the silver crusade..
00:22 * Mort fluffs her FUR up
00:37 <Mort> I dont hate druid and clerics and paladins
00:40 <Steven> if lumberjacks are cutting away a forest down to the ground with no respect for which trees they are cutting down
00:44 <Mort> I just dont  want to paly them
00:44 * Mekkis flexes his right foreclaw
00:50 <Steven> old growth, new growth, saplings and shrubs
00:52 <Mort> they are cutting it down because of commercial reasons
01:00 <Mort> they want to clear it to have farmland, and sell the timber
01:10 <Steven> then you would probably step in and lay the smack down
01:13 <Mort> and while they're at it they'll trap the animals for pelts
01:23 <Mort> and the king will order his army to come and clean me out
01:40 <Mekkis> then you display what a pissed off druid can do
01:46 <Mort> because the king wanted the timber for his throne room mahogany table
02:04 <Mekkis> incoming wall of text:
02:08 <Mort> and the farmers would be happy to have more farmland rather then useless forest
02:13 <Steven> but if they are taking the wood and making houses and shit like that then you use your discretion and not interfere because the wood is needed for a good cause
02:21 <Steven> go for it mekkis
02:23 <Mort> the king wants his table
02:26 <Mort> anwyay Im watching HK drama serials
02:28 <Mort> bb
04:41 <Mekkis> No mercy, he reminded himself.
04:58 <Mekkis> The Druid drew his staff from across his back and clasped it tightly in his fist. He spoke a word of power, and continued his ascent. The orb on the staff crackled darkly as its ultimate power manifested.
04:58 <Mekkis> Below the thunderhead, an area of blackness formed, shot through by purple lightning and moving with wisps of dark vapour. A huge shadow appeared above the camp, and peals of thunder broke out, deafening those below. On the ground, the elemental conjured by Nwm was ripping a swathe through those who tried to resist it. It had begun to spin on its axis, flinging tents on the periphery of the camp in all directions. It moved slowly, deliberately and syste
04:58 <Mekkis> matically eliminating those who did not flee.
04:58 <Mekkis> But the most brutal effects were yet to come. Nwm flew on, maintaining concentration upon the unnatural cloud, and acid began to rain down. The Druid glanced down to see Brey and two other Templar Lords standing impotently over the body of Melion. He didn’t know their names. He didn’t care. Irian perished, obliterated by three bolts of lightning which simultaneously struck him from above, Hembur almost died, struck by three more.
04:58 <Mekkis> In the hail which followed, Lord Hembur did die. So did eight hundred others, many entangled in the poisoned vines, and unable to move.
04:58 <Mekkis> As the minor elementals closed on him, Nwm swerved down to meet them. They, and then the celestial animals were blown out of the Druid’s path.
04:58 <Mekkis> Nwm banked around and flew back towards the camp. He circled around the periphery, looking for those who might still be standing. Many were fleeing north and south, parallel to the river’s course, whilst others were routed to the west. A few brave souls dared the river itself. Still, the huge elemental moved unchecked through the camp.
05:32 <Mekkis> No mercy, Nwm swallowed.
05:32 <Mekkis> The Druid, from a safe height, blocked off the egress from the north of the field, where many were attempting to escape, with a vast cloud of swarming insects. Over a period of half a minute, in a four-hundred foot arc which spread west and then south, pockets of grasses and weeds sprang up, entangling many and causing others to flee in panic away from them, lest they were poisonous. Nwm began to descend, but before he could cast another spell, he was e
05:32 <Mekkis> nveloped in silence. Swearing wordlessly, he began to climb again, reached a height of a thousand feet, and circled slowly, waiting for the spell to wear off. The Druid waited patiently – the clouds were already pregnant with energy again. Two minutes passed. Three. Four. Five.
05:32 <Mekkis> Suddenly, the noise of the wind and storm flooded again into Nwm’s ears as the magical silence evaporated. He concentrated on his torc, seeking mentally for powerful spellcasters. Their whereabouts were determined in an instant. Two of significant ability.
05:32 <Mekkis> Leading Templars were attempting to rally their knights and auxiliaries and order the retreat from the field. Nwm ignored them, his gaze shifting to a lone figure. A cleric in shining plate was performing a ritual desperately, beside of the wreck of a tent. Nwm spoke a word, and another streak of lightning flashed down, targeting the cleric. It dissipated harmlessly around him, and he continued to intone.
05:32 <Mekkis> Warded, Nwm thought, and powerfully. The Druid ignored him and began to beat his way downwards.
05:32 <Mekkis> Hundreds were fleeing southwards and westwards now, as all other ways were effectively blocked. Nwm intoned yet another spell as he closed, and a curtain of green fire, three hundred feet long, sprang up. Intense heat blistered skin and caused people to shy away again – most of those few foolish enough to try and pass through were immolated.
05:32 <Mekkis> Chaos reigned upon the ground, and had they stopped to think amid their panic, the fleeing troops would have recognized that the Druid, with his spells, had created an immense
05:33 <Mekkis> funnel upon the ground, and that they were being herded into it.
05:33 <Mekkis> Nwm flew down, and prepared to invoke a succession of flame strikes and flaming spheres, emptying his magical arsenal.
05:33 <Mekkis> Abruptly, in the eye of calm air at the centre of his personal hurricane, Eadric and Mostin materialized. Mostin floated easily, and Eadric was supported by a pair of winged boots, borrowed from Ortwin.
05:33 <Mekkis> The Paladin looked grim. "Please stop, Nwm. You’ve made your point."
10:10 <Mekkis> Mort, that's what a druid does who's pissed off with the authorities
10:15 <Mekkis> be Very Scared.
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24:49 <Mort> oh
28:09 <Mekkis> so Mort: how about playing a druid?
47:22 <Mort> no.
47:27 <Mort> I am sure he used his spell quota for the day
47:32 <Mort> and its only so impressive cos he is outdoors
47:42 <Mort> why didnt those clerics summon an avatar of their god to smikte him or whatever..
47:44 <Mekkis> so?
47:48 <Mekkis> they did
47:50 <Mort> pathfinders is alot of indoors
47:54 <Mort> (shrug)
47:57 <Mort> I am NOT being a doodad
48:12 <Mort> people are going to question - are you on the side of the animals or humans
48:21 * Mort can be fair stubborn about things like that
48:27 <Mekkis> have you ever questioned Grolschmir?
48:35 <Mort> Ive never met grolsh
48:37 <Mort> for that matter
48:42 <Mort> hes waay above me
48:50 <Mekkis> he's 7th
48:57 <Mekkis> 7.0
48:59 <Mort> never met him
49:04 <Mort> 6.2
49:10 <Mekkis> so 1XP away
49:24 <Mort> next one will make me 7
49:28 <Mort> but anwyay. I never saw him
49:33 <Mort> so how am I to evne KOW he is a dodad
49:41 <Mort> sadly no one ever mistakes xyn as a pally yet :P
49:43 <Mekkis> because he's famous
49:46 <Mort> proll ycos I have 4 legs
49:46 <Mekkis> really famous
49:49 <Mort> I dont know him
49:58 <Mekkis> you've ended up on his lance!
49:59 <Mort> my character should. but player doesnt
50:02 <Mort> no
50:13 <Mort> Whatever comes in alternate timestreams never happened
50:21 <Mekkis> the player remembers
50:28 <Mort> but yeah. no doodads. No divine classes
50:35 <Mort> I think of my ranger closer to a fighter then the divine side
50:37 <Mort> so its okay
50:43 <Mekkis> stop stereotyping classes
50:50 <Mort> :)
51:01 <Mort> anyway yeah no doodads :D
51:14 <Mort> look on the bright side mek, Ive ever taken a class without MAGIC!
51:36 <Mekkis> nor have I
51:46 <Mort> frankly I dont know grolsh
51:53 <Mort> so I dont know how he would react and stuff like that
52:04 <Mekkis> he's on the side of the Andorans
52:09 * Mort shrugs
52:18 <Mort> dont worry I dont have any too morally dubious characters atm
52:21 <Mort> so Im fine with him I think
52:26 <Mort> there should be no reason why I would irritate him
52:44 <Mekkis> he's a gnome
52:47 <Mort> so?
52:52 <Mekkis> you like stereotyping them
52:54 <Mort> my characters have no issues with gnomes
53:08 <Mort> really. have I ever treated a gnome differently from any other characters?
53:10 <Mort> once in game?
53:16 <Mort> I dont even think they are gnomes.
53:18 <Mekkis> not sure
53:22 <Mort> seriously no
53:31 <Mort> I treat them equally. I forget they are gnomes
53:34 <Mort> theyre just another pc
53:47 <Mekkis> what about NPC gnomes?
53:47 <Mort> I only do crappy things to gnomes out of game
53:54 <Mort> oh. we were so friendly
54:00 <Mort> xyn put on her  best people person look
54:13 <Mort> and told the NPC gnomes..they attacked us and we had to defend ourselves..
54:19 <Mort> we even did it non lethally...~!
54:21 <Mort> lol
54:25 <Mort> (And seriously.)
55:07 <Mort> dont worry bout NPC gnomes. once Im in game. I forget people play gnomes
55:09 <Mort> they are just another PC
55:18 <Mort> and to be honest. my sense of fairness would never let me illtreat a gnome
55:31 <Mort> simply becuase - they are just another piece on how someone wants to RP his character
55:43 <Mort> it would be no more fair then to ban a syn from their game just because you think they are OPed
55:50 <Mort> if I were a GM I would treat gnomes like any other pc as well
56:12 <Mort> if people were to treat any of my characters differently because of their class/race. Id get irritated
56:31 <Mort> do unto others what you want done onto you. With that saying inside - I would treat gnomes like any other pc once in game.
56:35 <Avatar> synthesists are OP to the point where they ruin the game for the other players
56:56 <Mort> ya but anyway about gnome hate and stuff - it really doesnt do anything once I start playing
57:02 <Mort> I dont even bother what race they are
57:39 <Mort> so mekkis - I would swear in all honesty, whether you are gnome or not, would make no differnece to how my characters react to you in game
58:09 <Mort> the only impact it has on me is Ill probably not roll a gnome..unless someone(glares at mekkis) has been using a suggestion spell on me
59:39 <Mort> about syns being oped - I think its just easier to optimize them
59:56 <Mort> I suspect I wont be optimizing to the poitn of cheese and will prolly do it for flavor some
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