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53:39 <Steven> gotta find me a good 6th level spell for a healer
55:06 <Steven> im thinkin anti life shell
03:37 <Steven> yup, anti life shell.
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00:04 <Steven> that breakfast burrito was awesome!
01:31 <Steven> so.... whats everyone doin?
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47:32 <GreenGuy33> hey there guys. :)
50:16 <Steven> sup
53:29 <Hydrazine> G'day.
56:59 <GreenGuy33> I got invited to a game. I probably should make a character, eh? lol
57:56 <GreenGuy33> problem is the more i read on this pathfinder stuff the more i get lost.
00:33 <GreenGuy33> like the summoner class, i like the idea about it but building their main summoned creature has me kinda confused.
01:00 <GreenGuy33> Eidelons i think they are called
01:47 <Wrothmonk> Thats correct.
02:16 <Wrothmonk> Basically you can pick and choose evolutions to apply each level (unless your an evolutionist)
03:14 <Wrothmonk> you can choose from a list and each evolution costs evolution points which the # of increase each level
05:01 <Hydrazine> Which part of it confuses you?
05:17 <GreenGuy33> i feel like there should be more then 3 base templates to base them off of though. like i can see quad and bi-ped and serpentine but why not also avian? to cover all the bases
05:33 <Wrothmonk> theres a fourth called aquatic
05:40 <Wrothmonk> there isn't an avian but there is the wing evolution.
05:52 <Wrothmonk> its in ultimate magic.
05:59 <Hydrazine> You can get wings. I think thats more about balance than covering all the bases.
06:48 <Hydrazine> The power to fly is a third level spell, after all.
08:30 <GreenGuy33> nah the flight mechanic works like a flight spell till you max out the spent evolution points in it. they can sprout temporary wings but ultimately no perminant wings
10:28 <Hydrazine> Likely has to do with flight being observed as a very powerful benefit in a game world where most things are stuck on the ground.
11:17 <GreenGuy33> i wish i could trade the limbs arms of biped for perminant wings. would be neat to have a avian style Eidelon to start with that evolves into a more humanoid creature as time goes on.
11:34 <Steven> hey sorry, i went and had to run some errands
11:48 <Wrothmonk> technically you can have permanent wings as long as they provide no benefit.
11:54 <Wrothmonk> I did that with my summoner.
13:24 <GreenGuy33> lol i could see that for a humanoid Eidelon thats slowly evolving flight. like a proto-avariel race sorta thing.
14:33 <GreenGuy33> love the Avariel from A,D&D. 
14:44 <Wrothmonk> you could be a tengu.
14:59 <Wrothmonk> they are pretty close I think
15:36 <GreenGuy33> tengu are anthro crows. Avariel are basicly just Elves with wings.
15:45 <Wrothmonk> Ah
17:40 <GreenGuy33> they are interesting characters to play if you dont mind their claustraphobia and more fragile constatutions (hollow bones).
21:21 <GreenGuy33> anyway it just confused me about why they had left out avian base templates for the Eidelons when they had the other terestrial and aquatic templates. 
22:11 <Steven> because things that fly are very powerful at lower level
22:42 <GreenGuy33> yeah i can see how that might be.
23:06 <Steven> a flying eidolon with a long spear would solo nearly every encounter until like 34th level
23:12 <Steven> 3-4th even
23:32 <GreenGuy33> though that doesnt explane rangers creature comanions being allowed owls and hawks and such.
23:54 <GreenGuy33> companions*
23:55 <Steven> because they dont wield 1d8 weapons
24:06 <Wrothmonk> they wield like 1d4 bites.
24:37 <Steven> yeah, and that requires a fairly low ac creature to get up close and personl... 
24:52 <Steven> and ACs have low hp... resulting in an AC taking a dirt nap
26:17 <GreenGuy33> thats my point as an avian template they wouldnt have arms to carry those 1d8 weapons till you bought them some extra limbs which wouldnt be able to get till probably level 3d level anyway.
26:57 <GreenGuy33> the limbs that have hands are expencive
28:17 <Wrothmonk> they are two points
28:32 <Wrothmonk> You could still get it at level one.
29:08 <GreenGuy33> i thought i saw them for 6 to get the ones that are dexterus enough to use weapons...
29:15 <Wrothmonk> hrm.
29:44 <Wrothmonk> the eidolon just needs to be proficient.
29:51 <Wrothmonk> still just two points.
31:45 <GreenGuy33> ok then im halucinating them. thats nice.. lol
31:54 <GreenGuy33> then*
33:09 <GreenGuy33> so yeah i guess ill just make a tiny humanoid eidelon
34:58 <Wrothmonk> Your eidolon could ride my eidolon :P
35:13 <GreenGuy33> oh btw where do i put the character sheet where  you can look at it?
35:46 <Wrothmonk> on the website, login and its under upload sheet
36:24 <Wrothmonk> you just type in the name you want it under and it creates a sheet for you to edit.
36:39 <Steven> I dont believe you can get a tiny sized eidolon
37:17 <Wrothmonk> the biped starts at medium
37:27 <Wrothmonk> they all do actually.
39:56 <GreenGuy33> so its a pathfinder society character for that Tide of Morning game right? dont want to make a character using the wrong rules.
41:12 <Wrothmonk> We only do pfs games besides way of the wicked.
41:35 <GreenGuy33> ok just wanted to be sure. 
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31:07 <Steven> hmmm.... mebe i should schedule to run first steps p2 sometime soon
06:59 <Avatar> I need first steps 2
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46:25 <Mort-> And it falls in
46:35 <Avatar> what are some of your favourite wizard spells
46:37 <Mort-> As a witch you can't do much to it
46:44 <Mort-> Pits are useful
46:47 <Mort-> Now for me
47:01 <Mekkis> fireball's not a particularly good wizard spell
47:04 <Mort-> Most people can whip up a fly or toss bombs these days
47:07 <Avatar> the invisibility line
47:15 <Mort-> Pits
47:15 <Mekkis> correction: fireball's not a particularly good spell
47:22 <Mort-> Stinking cloud
47:35 <Mekkis> don't witches get stinking cloud?
47:37 <Mort-> But i don't know how to aim that one that well
47:39 <Mekkis> I know they get cloudkill
47:45 <Avatar> yeah witches do get stinking cloud
47:46 <Mort-> Then probably yes
48:04 <Mort-> But basically witches have few optiop vs mindless
48:26 <Avatar> yeah I am constantly getting screwed against mind-affecting immune stuff
48:36 <Mort-> Ill have my turn
48:48 <Mort-> I spent an unhappy day in tomb
48:51 <Avatar> choosing snickers in an undead-only scenario freaks me out
48:57 <Mort-> With undead
49:12 <Mort-> It made me sad
49:15 * Mekkis looks at the witch list
49:18 <Avatar> the first time I realised how screwed she was was when she played you only die twice
49:19 <Mort-> Down to haste. Enlarge person
49:33 <Mort-> Ok. Did manage some
49:48 <Mort-> That's when ancestor patron is good
49:53 <Mort-> You yell bless. 
50:03 <Mort-> Blessing of fervor
50:16 <Mort-> Heroism is also a nice one but good hope is better
50:33 <Avatar> I've been over those patron spells a lot
50:39 <Avatar> none of them sell me except those two
50:57 <Avatar> not for long-term use
51:02 <Mort-> Wizards get more defensive options
51:06 <Mort-> Mirror image.
51:09 <Mort-> Displacement
51:35 <Avatar> there are a lot of times when you play a witch and think "if only I were a wizard"
51:54 <Mekkis> Avatar, I'm going to need to make a witch to see what it's like...
51:57 <Avatar> the wizard can do everything a witch can do, with a bit more trouble
51:57 <Mort-> Avatar what spells do you prepare every day
52:04 <Mort-> No
52:09 <Avatar> I don't prep anything every day
52:17 <Mort-> We don't have unlimited hexes
52:28 <Mort-> Witches don't have spon casting
52:32 <Mekkis> the witch doesn't need to worry about preparing will-save-or-suck spells
52:34 <Mort-> Witches are cool too
52:47 <Mort-> Witches only have will save or suck spells
52:49 <Mekkis> making the spell preparation more flexible
52:51 <Mort-> Otherwise try blindness
53:08 <Mort-> Most of witch disable is will
53:14 <Mort-> Secondary fort
53:21 <Mort-> Almost nothing reflex
53:36 <Mekkis> Mort-, tell that to Stinking Cloud
53:50 <Mort-> I don't know how to use that stuff
53:57 <Avatar> Mekkis: how much is that cloudkill staff
53:58 <Mort-> Mostly pfs too closed quarters
53:58 <Mekkis> you realise that other than the pit spells, there are no save-or-suck reflex spells?
54:02 <Mekkis> now?
54:07 <Mekkis> 36000gp I think
54:12 <Mekkis> !item staff of toxins
54:17 <diebot> Mekkis, STAFF OF TOXINS [moderate varies] CL:9 none 34200gp, 5lb
54:17 <diebot> This length of hemlock-shrouded oak gives off the faintest whiff of rot and corruption. It allows use of the following spells: • Stinking cloud (1 charge) • Cloudkill (2 charges) Source: Ultimate Equipment
54:20 <Mort-> Unless you use dazing rod
54:22 <Mekkis> 34200
54:29 <Avatar> that's right
54:31 <Avatar> you got the discounted one
54:32 <Mort-> And leaving spell slots open is useless
54:35 <Mekkis> yeah
54:44 <Mort-> For a group that likes to keep charging
54:52 <Mort-> They went room after room after room
55:06 <Mekkis> need I point out the presence of Summon Monster spells on the witch list?
55:15 <Mort-> I asked can take 10 min break to fill up slot they said no 
55:28 <Avatar> summons are shit
55:29 <Mort-> Barkskin wearing off
55:32 <Mort-> Charge!
55:38 <Mort-> You need to do it properly
55:40 <Mekkis> strongly disagree, Avatar 
55:47 <Mort-> Ill try it with aeryl :)
55:47 <Avatar> if they're not used sparingly they ruin the game
55:56 <Mekkis> I'd say the same about hexes
56:03 <Mort-> I agree on that
56:12 <Mort-> I must not slumber hex
56:17 * Mort- faces a yatj
56:24 * Mort- faces a wall
56:34 <Mort-> I must not abuse the slumber hex
56:43 <Avatar> most games I play, there's always a wizard who's hold personing someone or a cleric who's calming emotions
56:51 <Avatar> I don't think it's all that different
56:56 <Mort-> I haven't used hold person
57:02 <Mort-> For long time
57:08 <Mort-> Its different
57:09 <Avatar> they're just examples
57:14 <Avatar> it's crowd control
57:16 <Mort-> You have unlimited hold person
57:21 <Mort-> You don't
57:26 <Mekkis> the once per day compared to once per enemy
57:26 <Avatar> witches don't have unlimited slumber
57:35 <Mort-> You have unlimited slumbers
57:41 <Avatar> if they save, that's it
57:54 <Mort-> And do it right i can even figure how to cdg on that round
58:09 <Mort-> You stand behind lines and delay until someone is about to go
58:16 <Mort-> You tag it he finishes it
58:16 <Mekkis> that's the same with hold person or whatever
58:38 <Mort-> I'm better then most at delaying
58:40 <Mort-> I noticed
58:55 <Mort-> I'm like as patient as a stone
59:17 <Avatar> you're a stone mort
59:17 <Mort-> I can even arrange for my familiar to cdg
59:24 <Mort-> On the exact round i do it
59:26 <Avatar> stone cold mort
59:37 <Mort-> But i think id best not do it much
00:05 <Mort-> Of course since i pray to the spirits of ice, water and air
00:10 <Mort-> But never mind
00:43 <Avatar> I'm wishing I took toughness instead of dodge for buck's 7th level feat
00:48 <Mort-> Witches are cool in their own right
01:02 <Avatar> it's occurred to me that 11hp by level 11 will probably save your life a lot more than +1 to AC
01:15 <Mort-> But i druther do hexcrafter as a witch
01:35 <Mort-> If someone annoys you turn into a trog and do bite claw claw on him
01:48 <Mort-> Or if that guy is undead
02:06 <Mort-> Can't hex so just stab him with the pointy end
02:28 <Mort-> I would like to do ancestors if i were doing witch though
02:39 <Mekkis> Mort-, you'd rather do Scarred Witch Doctor
02:43 <Mekkis> wouldn't you
02:51 <Mort-> Gives you something to do if everything is undead/construct
02:53 <Mort-> Actually not
03:01 <Mort-> I don't like tattoos
03:17 <Mort-> The con is nice but i rather my knowledge skills
03:33 <Mort-> Mekkis i have my own mind
03:48 <Mort-> I'm not totally just a manifestation of cheese
03:53 <Mekkis> it's probably the most broken class I've seen
04:02 <Mekkis> ok Mort- 
04:03 <Mort-> I'm not interested in that
04:12 <Mekkis> you're not totally a manifestation of cheese
04:16 <Mort-> Haha
04:54 <Mort-> The scarred witch doctor comes when people ask. Can you hex while raging
04:57 <Mort-> Lol
05:06 <Mort-> Ill pass on it. I never saw anything
06:00 <Mort-> Mekkis you should know I'm a lithe dancing little mur
06:08 <Mort-> Don't like scrapping it
06:27 <Mort-> Was so happy to see my entire group pressing to attack the bbeg
06:29 <Mekkis> Mort-, you're not realising that the scarred witch doctor is horribly broken?
06:44 <Mort-> I have no interest in that class really
07:03 <Mort-> So besides academic arguments i don't see the point
07:16 <Mort-> Not interested in studying it in detail
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07:50 <Mort-> So instead of 12 con that mort has
08:03 <Mort-> You end up with 22 con
08:23 <Mort-> At 9 means another 45 more hp
08:37 <Mort-> So you end up with 110 hp at level 9
08:42 <Mort-> But so?
08:57 <Mort-> You're not meleeing with that are you?
09:32 <Mort-> I don't get it
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14:27 <Mekkis> you don't think there's a problem with the party witch having more HP than the fighter?
21:09 <Steven> i dont find a problem with it.
21:20 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you know how many ioun stones grok has
21:24 <Avatar> ashley's fighter
21:39 <Mekkis> no
21:45 <Avatar> 6
21:53 <Avatar> 5 circling his head and 1 in his wayfinder
22:17 <Avatar> I've never had an ioun stone, I think they are too cheesy
22:28 <Mekkis> Steven, ok: I'll make a bet with you - If the orc becomes a playable race, I belive that the scared witch doctor will NOT be a legal archetype
22:33 <Avatar> I plan to get one because they are too good not to get
22:40 <Avatar> I have no idea when
22:42 <Mekkis> which one?
22:47 <Mekkis> is too good to not get?
22:54 <Avatar> most of them
23:06 <Avatar> clear spindle is the one that stands out from memory
23:21 <Mekkis> clear spindle is clearly cheesy
23:26 <Mekkis> the others... well...
23:31 <Mekkis> they don't appear to be
28:08 <Steven> orcs will never be a playable race.
28:30 <Steven> they are an evil race and so long as brock is in charge of pfs they will not be legal
28:32 <Mort-> Scarred witch doctor not playable race
28:33 <Mekkis> goblin did
28:57 <Mort-> Else some joker will take racial heritige orc
28:59 <Mort-> As a human
29:01 <Mort-> And do it
29:19 <Mort-> Not playable class
29:46 <Mort-> Ill get a cracked green ioun stone
29:50 <Mort-> I have issues flying
30:03 <Mort-> A +1 to all my dex skills will help
30:53 <sir_stiletto> way of the wicked?
32:15 <Wrothmonk> its a campaign based on PFS but removes the rule on no evil characters, your actually required to be evil.
35:38 <Mort-> I like gobbies
38:21 <sir_stiletto> cool
40:43 <Mekkis> you're evil
41:26 * Mort- should not detect as evil
42:14 <Mekkis> because that Always Works...
43:25 <Mort-> I'm not evil. I'm cn
43:32 * Steven casts Detect Evil
43:42 <Steven> She's evil.
43:54 <Mort-> He's lying
44:06 <Mort-> Look. I help others.
44:14 <Mort-> I don't expect repayments
44:37 <Steven> See... evil.
45:15 <Mort-> That's an evil act?
50:32 <Wrothmonk> However its kinda hard to get new characters since you have to go through this one scenario and its in order from what I can tell.
52:09 <Mekkis> Plus, detect evil often fails to detect evil creatures
52:25 <Mekkis> keep in mind, if you're not a cleric, you won't detect as evil if you have less than 5HD
52:59 <Mekkis> !spell misdirection
53:03 <diebot> Mekkis, MISDIRECTION illusion (glamer[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, summoner 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature or object, up to a 10-ft. cube in size Comp: V, S Duration: 1 hour/level Save: none or Will negates; see text SR:no
53:03 <diebot> By means of this spell, you misdirect the information from divination spells that reveal auras (detect evil, detect magic, discern lies, and the like). On casting the spell, you choose another object within range. For the duration of the spell, the subject of misdirection is detected as if it were the other object. Neither the subject nor the other
53:04 <diebot> object gets a saving throw against this effect. Detection spells provide information based on the second object rather than on the actual target of the detection unless the caster of the detection succeeds on a Will save. For instance, you could make yourself detect as a tree if one were within range at casting: not evil, not lying, not magical,
53:04 <diebot> neutral in alignment, and so forth. This spell does not affect other types of divination magic (augury, detect thoughts, clairaudience/clairvoyance, and the like).
55:26 <Steven> i think we are pretty much at our limit for characters
56:19 <Wrothmonk> I've been waiting for the group to die so new characters have to be introduced so I can join in. The first time I played my character died.
58:14 <Steven> well... you did kind of charge into melee combat with a shit ton of guards
58:22 <Wrothmonk> Yeah...
59:21 <Wrothmonk> I probably shouldn't have considering my dex was terrible.
59:38 <Steven> yeah
00:22 <Steven> you probably could have joined back in if you had made a character, avatar and somebody else made a raid on a prison transport to pick up two new guys
01:11 <Wrothmonk> Well I didn't know you would be introducing new characters.
01:21 <Wrothmonk> Speaking of which I probably should now.
03:54 <Steven> yeah and we could have seriously used a medium sized melee character
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11:51 <Mekkis> Steven, have you read Day of the Demon?
18:19 <Mekkis> it's not based on PFS
19:30 <Wrothmonk> yeah I was wrong. its pathfinder.
19:34 <Wrothmonk> not PFS
43:39 <sir_stiletto> is it full pathfinder?  there's combat rules that PFS outlaws that I would love to use with my type of rogue/fighter… 
48:18 <sir_stiletto> I have a question regarding a cool  benefit from a module.  I played Delirium's Tangle and received a +1 to all Intelligence or Charisma rolls in Absolom.  Does that basically count as a +1 for all skill rolls that are based on INT or CHA while I'm in Absolom? 
51:16 <Mekkis> yah
51:23 <sir_stiletto> cool… thanks
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59:19 <EricMcG> Has Devil We Know started?
01:10 <Mekkis> not yet
01:18 <Mekkis> who's here?
01:39 <sir_stiletto> Rysh is here…. if you'll have me.
04:39 <Mekkis> who else?
06:50 <EricMcG> Just us so far, I'm not seeing most of the people who accepted
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12:10 <Mekkis> well, I'll wait until 10:30
17:30 <EricMcG> Yeah, no point shooting the whole day waiting. Will you reschedule or just drop it?
17:45 <Wrothmonk> If you can wait ~30 min I can play.
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33:49 <Mekkis> I'll reschedule eventually
34:06 <Mekkis> possibly 23rd
37:48 <Wrothmonk> Alright I can play now.
48:54 <GreenGuy33> got 80% of my sheet done.
50:25 <GreenGuy33> just gotta figure out what equipment i need and what my encumberance range is and ill be done with the sheet i think.
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04:30 <Mekkis> !feat toppling spell
04:31 <diebot> Mekkis, TOPPLING SPELL [Metamagic] Your spells with the force descriptor knock the affected creatures prone.
04:32 <diebot> Benefit:  The impact of your force spell is strong enough to knock the target prone. If the target takes damage, fails its saving throw, or is moved by your force spell, make a trip check against the target, using your caster level plus your casting ability score bonus (Wisdom for clerics, Intelligence for wizards, and so on). This does not
04:32 <diebot> provoke an attack of opportunity. If the check fails, the target cannot attempt to trip you or the force effect in response. A toppling spell only affects spells with the force descriptor. A toppling spell uses up a spell slot one level higher than the spell's actual level. Source: UM
09:55 <Mekkis> OK... Who the hell thought the Scarred Witch Doctor was a good idea?
10:45 <sir_stiletto> any closet masochist?
11:00 <Mekkis> no, I mean, mechanically it's really unbalanced
11:12 <Mekkis>   Constitution Dependent: A scarred witch doctor uses
11:12 <Mekkis> Constitution instead of Intelligence when determining
11:12 <Mekkis> the highest level of spells she can cast, her spell save DCs,
11:12 <Mekkis> number of spells known at 1st level, and any effects of her
11:12 <Mekkis> hexes normally determined by her Intelligence.
11:45 <sir_stiletto> what's wrong with that?  sorry, it's been years since I played an RPG seriously so I still miss stuff...
12:08 <Mekkis> at the moment, witches and wizards need two abilities: int for spellcasting, and con for not-dying
12:21 <Mekkis> with Constitution Dependent, they only need one ability
12:39 <Mekkis> in addition, the witch is walking around with more HP than the barbarian
13:37 <sir_stiletto> yeah, but I'm doing almost the same thing with Rysh.  I'm dex heavy with just two feats, Weapon Finesse and Two Handed Fighting.  Which means I have two attacks per round with only +2 to both attacks to hit which do 1d4+1d8+1 damage.
14:35 <sir_stiletto> in this case it doesn't look like they are all that powerful because they will be definitely noticed and identified
14:43 <Mekkis> don't you mean 1d4 on the off-hand, and 1d8+1 on the on-hand?
14:50 <sir_stiletto> nope
15:21 <Mekkis> or does that include sneak attack?
15:42 <sir_stiletto> Knife Master and Two Weapon Warrior let me get that with any attack that doesn't have my opponents DEX involved
15:55 <sir_stiletto> so it's a back attack, flanking, or if I bluff them. :)
16:10 <Mekkis> bluff with feint?
16:20 <sir_stiletto> yeah
16:32 <Mekkis> so it doesn't really happen that often
16:39 <sir_stiletto> or just bluff in a way that works.  like making them think it's behind me
16:51 <sir_stiletto> most of my attacks in 3 modules have been in this nature
17:03 <sir_stiletto> I just pick and choose who I'm fighting to make sure I'm flanking
17:06 <Mekkis> got improved feint?
17:40 <Mekkis> FYI: 1d4+1d8+1 damage is only 8 damage average...
17:40 <sir_stiletto> not yet, that's coming… :)
17:56 <sir_stiletto> yeah, but that's X2 per round
18:02 <sir_stiletto> I get it with both attacks
18:27 <sir_stiletto>  but I'm limited by the need to get flanking or some other advantage
18:42 <Mekkis> (and you're not single-ability dependant: you've got to have str if you want to achieve damage, and con so when they full-attack you because you've ended your turn next to them, you don't die)
18:45 <sir_stiletto> I'm not completely familiar with the rules on these witches, but what happens if they lose their mask?
18:54 <Mekkis> they make another one
19:02 <Mekkis> it's similar with familiars
19:06 <sir_stiletto> I mean in a specific combat
19:34 <sir_stiletto> if I'm fighting one of these and someone who recognizes them with KN: Arcana means I can go for their mask right?
19:34 <Mekkis> I think it's a DC 20+spell level concentration check to cast spells
19:38 <Mekkis> but I'm not sure
19:47 <Mekkis> sure: but I don't think you'll find any in PFS
20:08 <Mekkis> you definitely won't find them in any non-PFS campaigns I GM...
20:21 <sir_stiletto> no NPCs?
20:28 <Mekkis> no way
20:34 <sir_stiletto> oh well
20:49 <Mekkis> I'll be in the corner, pretending that the archetype never existed
20:53 <Wrothmonk> clerics on the other hand.
21:01 <sir_stiletto> might be kind of fun to fight them and see what happens.  :)  
21:05 <Wrothmonk> They appear and you can take away their holy symbol.
21:43 <Mekkis> now I need to read up on how a witch actually works
22:05 <Mekkis> I suspect that someone's been playing fast-and-loose with the rules ;S
22:08 <sir_stiletto> hey kiddo… wasn't sure if you were on.  Have you looked over Rysh lately?  I bought some stuff and got the second class setup.  I'm liking the way this is playing out
22:23 <Mekkis> !find Rysh
22:24 <dicebot> Mekkis, no results found. Give me a few minutes to update my database.
22:32 <Mekkis> !findchar Rysh
22:38 <diebot> Mekkis, Character: Rysh, number: ( http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char= )
22:44 <Mekkis> sir_stiletto, link?
22:53 <sir_stiletto> fast-and-loose with the rules, perhaps.  I suspect that the familiar is a major issue
23:06 <sir_stiletto> http://pfrpg.com.au/charsheet.php5?id=579
23:12 <Mekkis> !history 579
23:17 <diebot> Mekkis, r83 | vpsirc | 2013-03-04 00:15:57 -0500 (Mon, 04 Mar 2013) | 1 line
23:17 <diebot> Mekkis, r82 | vpsirc | 2013-03-03 00:24:33 -0500 (Sun, 03 Mar 2013) | 1 line
23:18 <diebot> Mekkis, r67 | vpsirc | 2013-02-18 02:25:35 -0500 (Mon, 18 Feb 2013) | 1 line
23:31 <Mekkis> !diff 579 r67
23:33 <diebot> Mekkis, File saved to http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/sheets/diffs/579r67.txt
24:57 <Mekkis> fort should be +2
25:33 <Mekkis> there's some Interesting stuff that goes on with CMB
26:29 <sir_stiletto> I'm basically trying to build up an assassin/duelist type character
26:30 <Mekkis> you're missing one skill point
26:35 <sir_stiletto> I am?
26:44 <Mekkis> you should have 12 in total
26:59 <Mekkis> 8+1 for rogue, 2+1 for fighter
27:06 <sir_stiletto> That's what I'm counting
27:33 <Mekkis> also: I'm pretty sure bluff is a class skill for you
28:21 <EricMcG> I think I'm going to drop out. It's going to be very late by the time the mission is finished.
28:44 <Mekkis> sorry, I thought I said I'd be rescheduling it
28:48 <EricMcG> Let me know if you reschedule.
28:55 <Mekkis> ok
28:58 <EricMcG> for the 23rd
29:02 <Mekkis> yeah
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29:31 <Mekkis> you haven't played Rysh at 2nd level yet, right?
29:54 <Wrothmonk> He has not.
30:12 <sir_stiletto> nope
30:23 <Mekkis> good. Because a character like that will die. Probably soon.
30:29 <sir_stiletto> thanks for spotting the missing +3 on the bluff
30:34 <sir_stiletto> why?  
30:46 <sir_stiletto> only time I died was a haunt
30:53 <Mekkis> if you're stepping into melee with a con of 10, you won't hang around for long
31:05 <Mekkis> you want 12 or 14
31:42 <Mekkis> also: if you're taking fighter/rogue, put your first level as fighter rather than rogue: it ends up giving you two additional HP for free
31:59 <sir_stiletto> I've been able to make characters like this work well before.  I'll see what happened
32:01 <sir_stiletto> happens
32:13 <Mekkis> sure. Don't say I didn't warn you :)
32:27 <sir_stiletto> I promise I won't hold it against you. :)
32:29 <Wrothmonk> I warned him as well. I didn't catch the con though.
32:39 <Mekkis> I noticed that your HP is a bit low. I'm assuming that your favoured classes are Fighter and Rogue?
32:57 <sir_stiletto> yeah
32:58 <Mekkis> in which case you should have 16 HP (or 18 HP, if you put your fighter level first)
33:26 <sir_stiletto> I thought about that, but it would have messed up the first level as well as the background for the character.  
33:56 <Mekkis> (unless you're putting your favoured class bonuses into something other than HP)
34:01 <sir_stiletto> I'm basically hoping to survive long enough to get Mithral armor
34:10 <Mekkis> what sort?
34:14 <Mekkis> mithril fullplate?
34:19 <sir_stiletto> I thought I put them into skills
34:22 <sir_stiletto> not full plate
34:27 <Wrothmonk> chainmail.
34:42 <sir_stiletto> chain mail perhaps, but that will mess up my DEX bonus I think
34:49 <sir_stiletto> I haven't had a chance to nail that down
35:01 <Mekkis> if you put them into skills, you should have 14 HP, and a total of 14 skill points
35:15 <Mekkis> or you could go 1 and 1, for 15 HP and 13 skill points
35:31 <sir_stiletto> I think I never put in the one for the first level
35:58 <sir_stiletto> I added it in on the fighter but not on the rogue
36:43 <sir_stiletto> yeah, I planned on putting them against HP and never got the rogue +1. 
38:21 <Mekkis> so 16 HP total, and 12 skill points
38:48 <sir_stiletto> yeah
39:10 <sir_stiletto> the rogue should give me enough skill to put the favored class towards HP each level.  
39:12 <Mekkis> you're also adding your class bonus to perform without having ranks in it
39:32 <sir_stiletto> where?
39:40 <Mekkis> #Perform                      cha   4  = +1        +3 Class
39:43 <sir_stiletto> perform
40:18 <Mekkis> I would suggest you put your extra skill point into Disable Device
40:32 <Mekkis> people get annoyed when there's a rogue who doesn't have it
40:59 <sir_stiletto> :-)  If only I cared what others thought… :-)  I'm not that kind of rogue… 
41:44 <Mekkis> If you insist. Keep in mind that these "others" are the people who you'll be depending on to keep you alive.
42:37 <sir_stiletto> yeah, but multiple people I've played with in three games didn't have a wand of cure light wounds.  so they were dependent on others to keep them alive as well.
44:01 <Mekkis> that's a bit rude
44:14 <sir_stiletto> when I identify myself I use Knife Master not Rogue.  
44:55 <sir_stiletto> everyone plays in their own way.  I walk in with no assumptions about who is playing how.  just because their's a cleric doesn't mean I assume that I don't need to use my wand to heal
45:15 <Mekkis> of course
45:35 <Mekkis> of course, you might consider passing the wand to the cleric to use it on your instead
45:54 <Mekkis> rather than dealing with a 25% success rate, and a 5% catastrophic failure rate
45:57 <sir_stiletto> so why should someone else dictate what skills I put ranks in because they think I'm a rogue.  I don't even have trap fiding
46:56 <Mekkis> let me go off on a tangent and ask why you're carrying thieves tools without the ability to use them
47:53 <sir_stiletto> actually not sure.  I bought them and realized that I didn't have much of a use for them.  when I was looking over my inventory today getting ready for the game I just about moved them off
49:39 <sir_stiletto> they were in my first build of the character, and it was something that I realized as I'm fleshing out the idea that didn't really make sense.
52:35 <sir_stiletto> and you're right about giving the cleric my wand to heal.  or at least anyone who is more of a caster than me
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52:42 <Mekkis> what do you think about using http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/pc-mac-desktops/lenovo-ideacentre-horizon-table-pc-1123467/review for Pathfinder?
04:39 <Wrothmonk> Looks cool.
07:08 <Mekkis> !spell twilight knife
07:20 <diebot> Mekkis, TWILIGHT KNIFE evocation ([force]) sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)  Comp: V, S, F (a small knife) Duration: 1 round/level (D) Save: none SR:yes
07:21 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/twilight_knife.html
18:06 <Ulzef> love that spell
24:03 <Mekkis> you don't flank if you're invisible, right?
30:28 <Avatar> yo
30:37 <Avatar> skerek died
30:44 <Mekkis> oh
30:45 <Mekkis> how?
30:53 <Mekkis> in what?
30:57 <Avatar> spoilers to say how
31:05 <Avatar> everwar 3
31:18 <Avatar> I think that might be the first 10-11 I've played
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45:26 <Avatar> I really have to work out how much $$ Buck has, because I accidentally bought an item twice I realised today
45:39 <Avatar> I bought a ton of stuff at race of the runecarved key and didn't transcribe it into my online sheet
45:49 <Avatar> but I transcribed how much it all cost
50:37 <Mekkis> really?
51:20 <Mekkis> interesting: seems you can't just shove a familiar in a backpack and forget about it
51:40 <Wrothmonk> Why not?
52:01 <Mekkis> it doesn't give the familiar total cover
52:06 <Mekkis> it probably just gives it cover
52:10 <Mekkis> so +2 to reflex saves
52:20 <Mekkis> otherwise it's affected
53:05 <Mekkis> you can buy a familiar satchel to put your familiar in to give it total cover
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20:48 <Ulzef> cool what sorce for the satchel
21:23 <Ulzef> and you guys need to stop dieing in 10-11 i am waiting for me people so we can get a table for eyes
23:00 <Ulzef> avatar: what mod did he die in and did he get better?
28:25 <Mekkis> ue
28:44 <Mekkis> you guys need to run more 10-11s so I can get Deceased to 12
32:55 <Avatar> we need to get people to 10-11 first
39:02 <Mekkis> I played my first 10-11 when my character had just hit 7
40:28 <Mekkis> Ulzef, do you remember when Helmt played Skeleton Moon?
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46:55 <Steven> yo
48:08 <Steven> http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderBattles/20130308-Dragon2.jpg
48:15 <Ulzef> ummm not really
48:16 <Steven> I WANT I WANT I WANT!
56:06 <Steven> brb, goin to the store
21:56 <Avatar> so did I
22:02 <Avatar> we need to get people to level 7 first
22:10 <Avatar> to tag along with a bunch of level 10-11s
22:58 <Avatar> there's a chance I might GM a game at conquest
51:24 <Mekkis> ooh
51:25 <Mekkis> what?
05:47 <Steven> ive got soem level 7s
19:24 <Steven> Hey who owns the database code, i assume ballig correct?
19:31 <Mekkis> which database?
19:51 <Ballig> if it's the items/spells/feats/etc on diebot, that's Mekkis
20:11 <Ballig> the only databases I have are the website ones
20:23 <Mekkis> if it's the changes to character sheets, it's also me, although strictly speaking, it isn't the database
21:15 <Steven> yeah the website ones.  Walter wants to set up a Website for the pathfinder society here in pullman.
21:18 <Ballig> if it's the database of extraterrestial influences on the Australian population gathered by national security intelligence agencies in this area of the world, I don't have any idea what you're talking about you're crazy
21:44 <Mekkis> Ballig's right you know.
21:47 <Steven> I told him about the website and he is impressed by how it functions
22:07 <Ballig> didn't you broach that subject with him a while ago and he had this completely different direction he was headed in
22:25 <Steven> Yeah, we were trying out different stuff, it didnt work.
26:17 <Steven> We are tying to get a dedicated website up just for Pullman PFS
27:25 <Steven> but he would like to know what it would take to get the database stuff from you.
32:50 <Steven> also... why would i care about alien influences on the australian populace?
33:13 <Mekkis> because we have "communist" thoughts about "socialist" healthcare!
35:24 <Steven> right....
36:19 <Mekkis> but seriously, it was due to the alien influence that we managed to maintain positive economic growth while the rest of the world went to the shits.
36:59 <Steven> well thats cool.
37:47 <Steven> anways ballig, you interested at all in making the code available?
50:25 <Mekkis> Steven, how do you handle a situation where you're describing a room, and a player says something like "I cast Bull's Strength" while you're describing.
52:13 <Steven> i ignore it.
53:02 <Mekkis> then when combat starts three minutes later and they've already added the stat change into their bonuses?
54:47 <Steven> then they dont get the stat bonuses.
54:59 <Mekkis> do you ask and confirm it?
55:50 <Steven> I give a blurb at the shop of what i expect, you guys are actually pretty well mannered when im talking so i havent had to adopt the policy here.
56:26 <Mekkis> it generally doesn't happen here. It does happen at the store a fair amount
56:29 <Steven> room mates arguing.  This sucks.
56:40 <Mekkis> there's one cleric who tends to do it alot
57:07 <Steven> then you need to adopt a blurb at the begining of the scenarios.
58:16 <Mekkis> hey! who wants to buy me book two of Way of the Wicked?
03:55 <Steven> my acutal blurb is something like this.
03:56 <Steven> Hello my name is <insert name>.  Please roll your dice out in the open, Don't interrupt me during room descriptions, and if you have a problem with any of my rulings please save it until the end of the game unless it is a life or death situation then we will take a momment and review.  I will ask for your modifiers occationally to make secret rolls for some things you may or may not be aware of, 
03:56 <Steven> please refrain from metagaming at these times.  I will not be allowing turns by commitee, play your own character not everyone elses.  Please be respectful of each other and lets have fun and get through this in a timely manner.
06:16 <Steven> also, my roomies are getting angry and very hurtful in their arguments... i hate it when they do this.
08:53 <Steven> think we are about 5-10 minutes out until somebody ends up sleeping on the couch
20:26 <Avatar> do you normally sleep together
23:19 <Steven> oh yeah totaly, all the time.
24:09 <Avatar> I don't get it, why is someone sleeping on the couch
24:33 <Steven> because they are going to be so angry at each other they wont want to sleep in the same bed
24:34 <Avatar> does someone just get upest and decide they're sleeping on the couch instead aof their bed
24:42 <Steven> yeah pretty much
24:44 <Avatar> are you roommates partners
24:52 <Steven> yes, they are a couple.
24:55 <Avatar> ahhh
25:00 <Avatar> that wasn't clear
30:31 <Avatar> http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/03/09/college-students-romantic-gift-gives-facial-cleanser-new-meaning-one-arrest/
38:46 <Steven> thats fucked up
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42:11 * Mort- makes a couple of bouncing hops
43:11 <Steven> like a rabbit?
43:28 * Mort- flies into the sky!
43:33 <Mort-> I can fly!
44:11 <Steven> like a bird?
44:42 <Mort-> Well i have wings of the winter winds
44:44 <Mort-> :d
44:57 * Mort- swoops up and down
45:56 <Mort-> I need to show wrothmonk i can fly!
46:52 * Mort- lands on a tree
49:51 <Steven> You know mort your insistance that you possess animalistic anatomy is a clear sign you may need psychological help.
50:43 <Mort-> Oh forget it
50:49 <Mort-> You're no fun at all
51:03 * Mort- throws acorns at Steven from the tree
51:16 <Mekkis> Steven, you shouldn't try and diagnose that sort of thing unless you've got a proper, formal qualification
51:48 <Steven> I'm not diagnosing it, im saying its clear she may need psychological help.
51:57 <Mort-> Hi mekkis!
52:09 <Mort-> Its dinner time and I'm on top of a tree!
55:02 <Steven> As to your WotW book 2
55:16 <Steven> I would love to, but im saving up for a plane ticket.
01:56 <Mekkis> Let the winds of jungle's night
02:03 <Mekkis> Stay the hunter in her flight
02:15 <Mekkis> Evening's breath to witch's mind;
02:24 <Mekkis> Let our fates be intertwined...
02:58 <Steven> I should run first steps p2... imma go check my schedule
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12:59 <Steven> i dont remember who was playing fs1 the other day
18:43 <Steven> wonder how successful a game a my tuesday would be.
18:52 <Steven> first steps part 2
19:04 <Mort-> We workings
19:14 <Mort-> Maybe wrothmonk and his dad
19:56 <Steven> it really seems unlikely that you would sit down at one of my tables mort considering your dislike of my personality.
20:51 <Mort-> Of course but I'm just stating facts as they are
29:42 <Avatar> speaking of animalistic anatomy, does anyone have animal archive
30:18 <Mort-> May consider getting it if pfs uses more of it
30:43 <Avatar> I want to know if it is any good
31:01 <Mort-> Too many things not available for pfs
31:09 <Mort-> To be honest so. I can't really recommend it
31:30 <Avatar> what is available though
31:33 <Mort-> Like familiar feats and stuff only if you're a beast bonded witch
31:35 <Avatar> it only needs one or two realy good thing
31:35 <Avatar> s
31:36 <Mort-> I'm not sure
31:44 <Avatar> animal companion stuff I guess
31:54 <Mort-> Maybe
32:07 <Mort-> Are any of the animal companion feats good?
32:42 <Avatar> I don't like animal companions, I don't know
32:45 <Avatar> urban druid ftw
32:51 <Mort-> I love my fuzzy friends
33:06 <Mort-> I don't go adventuring without them
33:24 <Mort-> Btw avatar i can fly!
33:31 <Mekkis> yet you don't mind familiars :)
33:45 <Mort-> I love familiars
33:53 <Mort-> They are fuzzy too
34:30 <Steven> avatar, tomorrow i will ask my buddy walter if i can check out AnA and give you a reccomendation
34:48 <Avatar> love your work
35:37 <Mort-> But Nat attacks really get fked with dr
36:34 <Steven> I was going to ask him anyways, this just gives me a reason to pester him for the book.
36:54 <Avatar> I think tomorrow I will forget printing out sheet
36:54 <Avatar> s
36:56 <Steven> and i can state that its for making a recommendation lol
36:58 <Avatar> I am a bit over reformatting them
37:39 <Mekkis> Steven, Avatar: what's your opinion of herolab?
38:31 <Avatar> I never use it
38:46 <Avatar> the select few times I have was for familiar stats, because nobody knows how to roll them
38:57 <Avatar> and even then it's fiddly
41:52 <Steven> I think it makes people poor character builders more often than it helps then.
42:27 * Mort- wags her tailie wailie
42:45 <Mekkis> I didn't expect you to share my opinion of it :)
43:55 * Mort- paws mekkis
45:25 * Mekkis is killing zombies with WW1-era weapons
46:20 * Mort- flies up a tree
49:00 <Mekkis> unfortunately, these zombies are the kind of zombie that can take 2 magazines of a BAR1918 to the face before falling over
49:08 <Mekkis> Mort-, I'd suggest you didn't
49:26 <Mekkis> last time I tried flying, I ended up dogfighting a goddamn dragon in a WW1-era biplane
49:27 <Mort-> Why?
49:33 <Mort-> I can't hide on the ground.
49:48 <Mort-> I'm scawed of zombies
50:51 <Mekkis> you'd rather dogfight a dragon?
51:43 <Mort-> I...I don't want to do either
59:22 <Mekkis> Enemies killed:82
59:27 <Mekkis> Shots fired: 66
59:32 <Mekkis> melee attacks: 172
59:34 <Mekkis> hmmm
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08:11 <Mekkis> Is there anything published that shows HP of armour and weapons?
10:59 <Mekkis> !feat improved reposition
11:02 <diebot> Mekkis, IMPROVED REPOSITION [Combat]Prereq:  Int 13, Combat Expertise.  You have learned how to force your enemies to move around the battlefield.
11:02 <diebot> Benefit:  You do not provoke an attack of opportunity when performing a reposition combat maneuver. In addition, you receive a +2 bonus on checks made to reposition a foe. You also receive a +2 bonus to your Combat Maneuver Defense when an opponent tries to reposition you.
11:02 <diebot> Normal:  You provoke an attack of opportunity when performing a reposition combat maneuver. Source: APG
11:05 <Steven> talking about dogfighting and ww1
11:29 <Mekkis> mmm?
11:33 <Steven> anyone mind if i blow your minds?
11:35 <Avatar> I think tonight's my last night to lock in a level 6 combat feat for james
11:53 <Steven> http://paizo.com/products/btpy8wbv?Pathfinder-Adventure-Path-71-Rasputin-Must-Die
11:55 <Mekkis> go ahead. My mind is resilient
12:02 <Mekkis> run it for us!
12:20 <Steven> admit it, your mind is on tilt
12:28 <Avatar> why is that special
12:30 <Mekkis> nope. That's old news
12:43 <Steven> its still mind blowing!
12:57 <Avatar> what's mind blowing
13:08 <Mekkis> new rules for World War I-era weapons and equipment, and a new occult oracle mystery based on 20th century mysticism! 
13:11 <Steven> go to link, read description
13:18 <Avatar> yeah I did
13:42 <Steven> Pathfinder goes to earth...
13:46 <Avatar> ohhh right
13:48 <Avatar> sorry I skimmed it
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17:37 <Mort-> Avatar - what is snickers fly check
17:42 <Avatar> 14
18:26 <Mort-> +14?
18:31 <Avatar> yeah
18:39 <Mort-> So you can hover indefinitely?
18:39 <Avatar> as in 14 total
18:42 <Avatar> yeah
18:47 <Mort-> When do you use fly
18:54 <Avatar> with the flight hex
19:05 <Mort-> Which part of the fight
19:05 <Avatar> anytime you're flying
19:08 <Mort-> Start?
19:12 <Avatar> every round
19:18 <Mort-> I know but when do you trigger your flight hex
19:23 <Mort-> Its standard to triggering
19:37 <Mort-> So round 1= trigger flight hex?
19:38 <Avatar> yeah standard to activate
19:48 <Avatar> then you can move and nothing else
19:59 <Avatar> it's quite annoying
20:08 <Mort-> I know
20:13 <Avatar> but it's a small price to pay for pretty much unlimited flight 
20:17 <Mort-> 5th level hex I'm thinking about it
20:24 <Mort-> 1 min per level
20:28 <Mort-> You can't keep flying
20:33 <Avatar> at level 5, that's 5 minutes
20:39 <Avatar> how long does a day's worth of combat last
21:13 <Mort-> True
21:25 <Mort-> Ill have some weird options to me open with flight
21:45 <Mort-> Like i can poke people with a spear from 10 ft above them
22:05 <Avatar> I don't understand what exactly happens when you fail a hover check
22:17 <Avatar> the book has no description
22:29 <Avatar> presumably you just 'fall'
22:32 <Avatar> as in all the way
22:33 <Mort-> You fall and crash
22:38 <Avatar> but what if you have feather fall
22:44 <Mort-> Exactly
22:46 <Avatar> which you always do with the flight hex
22:53 <Mort-> But at will is a standard action
23:06 <Mort-> Which you won't be able to get off while falling technically
23:10 <Mort-> We both have wings now
23:23 <Mort-> I wonder what happens if someone uses create pit
23:32 <Mort-> You fail your save. Do you fall in?
23:36 <Avatar> oh feather fall is specific, 60ft per round
23:39 <Mort-> But you have feather fall at will
23:47 <Mort-> But usually an at will power
23:51 <Avatar> that is pretty damn fast
24:05 <Mort-> = standard action to activate
24:30 <Mort-> Feather fall casts as an immediate action should you be falling for whatever reason as per spell
24:35 <Mort-> Ambiguous
24:39 <Mekkis> wtf
24:55 <Mekkis> a zombie with a flamethrower who can take 4 shots with a shotgun
25:22 <Mort-> So avatar.
25:26 <Mort-> How's
25:30 <Mekkis> followed by a zombie with a meat cleaver who can take 10 shots with a rifle, followed by about 8 stabs with a bayonet, followed by a shot with a rocket launcher
25:31 <Mekkis> wtf
26:28 <Avatar> Mort-: feather fall is an immediate action
26:44 <Mort-> But at will powers are standard actions
26:49 <Mort-> So what exactly happens
26:58 <Avatar> probably when no action is specified
27:21 <Mort-> ?
28:38 <Avatar> as in if it doesn't specify what type of action, then it's a standard
29:07 <Mekkis> generally if it duplicates a spell, it uses the spell's casting time
35:41 <Mort-> Makes sense esp with enlarge person
35:48 <Mort-> Or we would be tapping with wands
36:08 <Mort-> So i don't have to fear pit spells ever again?
36:13 <Mort-> That's cool
36:21 <Avatar> what?
36:36 <Mort-> Create pit. You feather fall don
36:37 <Mort-> Down
36:45 <Mort-> You don't take falling damage. 
36:51 <Mekkis> still need to get up :)
36:55 <Avatar> yeah but you're out of the action
36:56 <Mort-> Next turn you lev/fly up
36:59 <Avatar> the falling damage isn't an issue
37:04 <Mort-> Swift action falling down
37:14 <Mort-> Next turn you activate flight hex and fly up
37:26 <Avatar> john ruled that someone prone in a square still provides cover 
37:41 <Avatar> which I guess technically is right isn't it
38:07 <Mort-> I would disagree
38:26 <Mort-> If i was lying flat on the ground you could poke a spear over me fine
38:41 <Avatar> I'd normally agree but if you think about the rules
38:46 <Avatar> it doesn't cover that kind of thing
38:51 <Avatar> it's still a person in the way
39:31 <Mort-> Well hopefully i don't get that issue much
39:34 <Mort-> I can fly!
39:43 * Mort- squeals at avatar
40:04 <Avatar> I don't know if playing a witch is fun or if it's just that playing snickers is fun
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40:21 <Mort-> Witching is fun
40:29 <Mort-> You never run out of hexes
40:42 <Avatar> I picked up accursed hex at level 3 in wotw
40:46 <Avatar> instead of extra hex again
40:55 <Mort-> Lol
41:02 <Mort-> You're still having fun right?
41:10 <Avatar> yeah, more than ever
41:12 <Mort-> Which patron
41:18 <Avatar> time
41:22 <Avatar> I don't really like any of the others
41:25 <Avatar> deception is okay
41:25 <Mort-> Interesting
41:33 <Mort-> Wanted to run ancestors before
41:41 <Mort-> Anyway I'm a half witch
41:41 <Avatar> haste and teleport are too good to pass up
41:49 <Mort-> I'm not really the real thing
42:06 <Mort-> But i say until i pull out martial weapons i pass
42:13 <Mort-> Do witches actually cast spells?
42:17 <Avatar> I was reading a guide about how they thought silence was a mistake and it was meant to be slow
42:25 <Mort-> I mean I've been hexing. And hexinp
42:26 <Avatar> yeah, they've got botched wizard list
42:36 <Avatar> there are times that hexes are pretty ineffective
42:36 <Mort-> I don't think silence is a mistake
42:44 <Avatar> silence doesn't make sense for a time patron
42:51 <Mort-> Ok lets get the big stick and poke him with it
42:52 <Avatar> slow is next in alphabetical order
43:03 <Mort-> The witch list is a mix of divine and arcane
43:26 <Mort-> I would believe you if you told me silence was on the witch list
43:44 <Mort-> In fact i even thought suggestion was on the cleric list
43:56 <Mort-> But slow is more thematic
44:25 <Avatar> just for the time patron
44:36 <Avatar> I don't think either of them are on the witch's regular list
44:42 <Mort-> I haven't used slow before though
44:48 <Mort-> It any good?
44:55 <Avatar> it's just the opposite of haste
44:59 <Mekkis> I get the impression that witch is essentially wizard but better
45:01 <Avatar> you cast it on a bad guy
45:04 <Mekkis> would you agree?
45:09 <Avatar> no
45:09 <Mort-> I have other ways of making people do save or sucks
45:11 <Mort-> No
45:16 <Avatar> the wizard spell list is incredible in comparison
45:17 <Mort-> Wizard list is better control
45:22 <Mekkis> really?
45:23 <Mort-> But witch can play as cleric
45:27 <Avatar> yeah definitely
45:31 <Mekkis> what sort of things does the witch miss out on?
45:37 <Mort-> You find a construct what do you do with it
45:39 <Avatar> fireball
45:43 <Mort-> The wizard casts create pit
45:43 <Avatar> haste!
45:46 <Mort-> And it falls in
45:56 <Avatar> what are some of your favourite wizard spells
45:58 <Mort-> As a witch you can't do much to it
46:06 <Mort-> Pits are useful
46:08 <Mort-> Now for me
46:22 <Mekkis> fireball's not a particularly good wizard spell
46:25 <Mort-> Most people can whip up a fly or toss bombs these days
46:28 <Avatar> the invisibility line
46:36 <Mekkis> correction: fireball's not a particularly good spell
46:36 <Mort-> Pits
46:44 <Mort-> Stinking cloud
46:56 <Mekkis> don't witches get stinking cloud?
46:59 <Mort-> But i don't know how to aim that one that well
47:00 <Mekkis> I know they get cloudkill
47:07 <Avatar> yeah witches do get stinking cloud
47:07 <Mort-> Then probably yes
47:25 <Mort-> But basically witches have few optiop vs mindless
47:48 <Avatar> yeah I am constantly getting screwed against mind-affecting immune stuff
47:57 <Mort-> Ill have my turn
48:10 <Mort-> I spent an unhappy day in tomb
48:12 <Avatar> choosing snickers in an undead-only scenario freaks me out
48:18 <Mort-> With undead
48:33 <Mort-> It made me sad
48:36 * Mekkis looks at the witch list
48:40 <Avatar> the first time I realised how screwed she was was when she played you only die twice
48:40 <Mort-> Down to haste. Enlarge person
48:54 <Mort-> Ok. Did manage some
49:09 <Mort-> That's when ancestor patron is good
49:15 <Mort-> You yell bless. 
49:24 <Mort-> Blessing of fervor
49:37 <Mort-> Heroism is also a nice one but good hope is better
49:54 <Avatar> I've been over those patron spells a lot
50:01 <Avatar> none of them sell me except those two
50:19 <Avatar> not for long-term use
50:24 <Mort-> Wizards get more defensive options
50:28 <Mort-> Mirror image.
50:31 <Mort-> Displacement
50:56 <Avatar> there are a lot of times when you play a witch and think "if only I were a wizard"
51:16 <Mekkis> Avatar, I'm going to need to make a witch to see what it's like...
51:18 <Avatar> the wizard can do everything a witch can do, with a bit more trouble
51:19 <Mort-> Avatar what spells do you prepare every day
51:27 <Mort-> No
51:30 <Avatar> I don't prep anything every day
51:39 <Mort-> We don't have unlimited hexes
51:50 <Mort-> Witches don't have spon casting
51:53 <Mekkis> the witch doesn't need to worry about preparing will-save-or-suck spells
51:56 <Mort-> Witches are cool too
52:08 <Mort-> Witches only have will save or suck spells
52:10 <Mekkis> making the spell preparation more flexible
52:13 <Mort-> Otherwise try blindness
52:30 <Mort-> Most of witch disable is will
52:35 <Mort-> Secondary fort
52:42 <Mort-> Almost nothing reflex
52:57 <Mekkis> Mort-, tell that to Stinking Cloud
53:11 <Mort-> I don't know how to use that stuff
53:19 <Avatar> Mekkis: how much is that cloudkill staff
53:19 <Mort-> Mostly pfs too closed quarters
53:19 <Mekkis> you realise that other than the pit spells, there are no save-or-suck reflex spells?
53:23 <Mekkis> now?
53:28 <Mekkis> 36000gp I think
53:33 <Mekkis> !item staff of toxins
53:38 <diebot> Mekkis, STAFF OF TOXINS [moderate varies] CL:9 none 34200gp, 5lb
53:39 <diebot> This length of hemlock-shrouded oak gives off the faintest whiff of rot and corruption. It allows use of the following spells: • Stinking cloud (1 charge) • Cloudkill (2 charges) Source: Ultimate Equipment
53:41 <Mort-> Unless you use dazing rod
53:44 <Mekkis> 34200
53:50 <Avatar> that's right
53:52 <Avatar> you got the discounted one
53:54 <Mort-> And leaving spell slots open is useless
53:56 <Mekkis> yeah
54:05 <Mort-> For a group that likes to keep charging
54:14 <Mort-> They went room after room after room
54:27 <Mekkis> need I point out the presence of Summon Monster spells on the witch list?
54:37 <Mort-> I asked can take 10 min break to fill up slot they said no 
54:50 <Avatar> summons are shit
54:51 <Mort-> Barkskin wearing off
54:53 <Mort-> Charge!
55:00 <Mort-> You need to do it properly
55:01 <Mekkis> strongly disagree, Avatar 
55:08 <Mort-> Ill try it with aeryl :)
55:09 <Avatar> if they're not used sparingly they ruin the game
55:17 <Mekkis> I'd say the same about hexes
55:25 <Mort-> I agree on that
55:34 <Mort-> I must not slumber hex
55:39 * Mort- faces a yatj
55:45 * Mort- faces a wall
55:56 <Mort-> I must not abuse the slumber hex
56:05 <Avatar> most games I play, there's always a wizard who's hold personing someone or a cleric who's calming emotions
56:12 <Avatar> I don't think it's all that different
56:18 <Mort-> I haven't used hold person
56:23 <Mort-> For long time
56:30 <Mort-> Its different
56:31 <Avatar> they're just examples
56:35 <Avatar> it's crowd control
56:38 <Mort-> You have unlimited hold person
56:43 <Mort-> You don't
56:47 <Mekkis> the once per day compared to once per enemy
56:48 <Avatar> witches don't have unlimited slumber
56:56 <Mort-> You have unlimited slumbers
57:03 <Avatar> if they save, that's it
57:15 <Mort-> And do it right i can even figure how to cdg on that round
57:30 <Mort-> You stand behind lines and delay until someone is about to go
57:37 <Mort-> You tag it he finishes it
57:38 <Mekkis> that's the same with hold person or whatever
57:59 <Mort-> I'm better then most at delaying
58:01 <Mort-> I noticed
58:17 <Mort-> I'm like as patient as a stone
58:38 <Avatar> you're a stone mort
58:39 <Mort-> I can even arrange for my familiar to cdg
58:45 <Mort-> On the exact round i do it
58:47 <Avatar> stone cold mort
58:58 <Mort-> But i think id best not do it much
59:26 <Mort-> Of course since i pray to the spirits of ice, water and air
59:31 <Mort-> But never mind
00:04 <Avatar> I'm wishing I took toughness instead of dodge for buck's 7th level feat
00:10 <Mort-> Witches are cool in their own right
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00:23 <Avatar> it's occurred to me that 11hp by level 11 will probably save your life a lot more than +1 to AC
00:36 <Mort-> But i druther do hexcrafter as a witch
00:56 <Mort-> If someone annoys you turn into a trog and do bite claw claw on him
01:09 <Mort-> Or if that guy is undead
01:27 <Mort-> Can't hex so just stab him with the pointy end
01:49 <Mort-> I would like to do ancestors if i were doing witch though
02:01 <Mekkis> Mort-, you'd rather do Scarred Witch Doctor
02:05 <Mekkis> wouldn't you
02:13 <Mort-> Gives you something to do if everything is undead/construct
02:15 <Mort-> Actually not
02:22 <Mort-> I don't like tattoos
02:39 <Mort-> The con is nice but i rather my knowledge skills
02:55 <Mort-> Mekkis i have my own mind
03:09 <Mort-> I'm not totally just a manifestation of cheese
03:14 <Mekkis> it's probably the most broken class I've seen
03:23 <Mekkis> ok Mort- 
03:24 <Mort-> I'm not interested in that
03:33 <Mekkis> you're not totally a manifestation of cheese
03:38 <Mort-> Haha
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04:15 <Mort-> The scarred witch doctor comes when people ask. Can you hex while raging
04:18 <Mort-> Lol
04:27 <Mort-> Ill pass on it. I never saw anything
05:22 <Mort-> Mekkis you should know I'm a lithe dancing little mur
05:30 <Mort-> Don't like scrapping it
05:48 <Mort-> Was so happy to see my entire group pressing to attack the bbeg
05:50 <Mekkis> Mort-, you're not realising that the scarred witch doctor is horribly broken?
06:06 <Mort-> I have no interest in that class really
06:25 <Mort-> So besides academic arguments i don't see the point
06:37 <Mort-> Not interested in studying it in detail
07:12 <Mort-> So instead of 12 con that mort has
07:25 <Mort-> You end up with 22 con
07:45 <Mort-> At 9 means another 45 more hp
07:58 <Mort-> So you end up with 110 hp at level 9
08:04 <Mort-> But so?
08:19 <Mort-> You're not meleeing with that are you?
08:53 <Mort-> I don't get it
13:48 <Mekkis> you don't think there's a problem with the party witch having more HP than the fighter?
20:31 <Steven> i dont find a problem with it.
20:42 <Avatar> Mekkis: do you know how many ioun stones grok has
20:45 <Avatar> ashley's fighter
21:00 <Mekkis> no
21:06 <Avatar> 6
21:14 <Avatar> 5 circling his head and 1 in his wayfinder
21:38 <Avatar> I've never had an ioun stone, I think they are too cheesy
21:49 <Mekkis> Steven, ok: I'll make a bet with you - If the orc becomes a playable race, I belive that the scared witch doctor will NOT be a legal archetype
21:55 <Avatar> I plan to get one because they are too good not to get
22:01 <Avatar> I have no idea when
22:03 <Mekkis> which one?
22:08 <Mekkis> is too good to not get?
22:16 <Avatar> most of them
22:27 <Avatar> clear spindle is the one that stands out from memory
22:42 <Mekkis> clear spindle is clearly cheesy
22:47 <Mekkis> the others... well...
22:52 <Mekkis> they don't appear to be
27:29 <Steven> orcs will never be a playable race.
27:51 <Steven> they are an evil race and so long as brock is in charge of pfs they will not be legal
27:53 <Mort-> Scarred witch doctor not playable race
27:54 <Mekkis> goblin did
28:18 <Mort-> Else some joker will take racial heritige orc
28:20 <Mort-> As a human
28:22 <Mort-> And do it
28:40 <Mort-> Not playable class
29:07 <Mort-> Ill get a cracked green ioun stone
29:12 <Mort-> I have issues flying
29:24 <Mort-> A +1 to all my dex skills will help
34:59 <Mort-> I like gobbies
40:05 <Mekkis> you're evil
40:48 * Mort- should not detect as evil
41:36 <Mekkis> because that Always Works...
42:47 <Mort-> I'm not evil. I'm cn
42:53 * Steven casts Detect Evil
43:03 <Steven> She's evil.
43:15 <Mort-> He's lying
43:27 <Mort-> Look. I help others.
43:35 <Mort-> I don't expect repayments
43:58 <Steven> See... evil.
44:36 <Mort-> That's an evil act?
51:30 <Mekkis> Plus, detect evil often fails to detect evil creatures
51:46 <Mekkis> keep in mind, if you're not a cleric, you won't detect as evil if you have less than 5HD
52:20 <Mekkis> !spell misdirection
52:25 <diebot> Mekkis, MISDIRECTION illusion (glamer[]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 2, summoner 2 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature or object, up to a 10-ft. cube in size Comp: V, S Duration: 1 hour/level Save: none or Will negates; see text SR:no
52:25 <diebot> By means of this spell, you misdirect the information from divination spells that reveal auras (detect evil, detect magic, discern lies, and the like). On casting the spell, you choose another object within range. For the duration of the spell, the subject of misdirection is detected as if it were the other object. Neither the subject nor the other
52:25 <diebot> object gets a saving throw against this effect. Detection spells provide information based on the second object rather than on the actual target of the detection unless the caster of the detection succeeds on a Will save. For instance, you could make yourself detect as a tree if one were within range at casting: not evil, not lying, not magical,
52:25 <diebot> neutral in alignment, and so forth. This spell does not affect other types of divination magic (augury, detect thoughts, clairaudience/clairvoyance, and the like).
11:12 <Mekkis> Steven, have you read Day of the Demon?
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