#d&d - 2013-02-01 - AustNet Archive Project

// #d&d — 2013-02-01

1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28
« 2013-01-31 2013-02-02 »
00:29 <Nekhet> Yeah, he's a bit hard on ost of them, i think
00:57 <Nekhet> I mean, if you lok through legal archetypes (paizo and 3rd party) most turn out to be "weaker" than the base class
01:06 Hydrazine has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
01:09 <Steven> I found he mostly complained about abilities that were not original or were less powerful than the original ability
01:21 <Steven> or that were too powerful
01:26 <Nekhet> And i'm not saying they should be stronger, but i think a lot of people try too hard not to make them stronger, and end up meaking them weaker
01:48 Hydrazine ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
01:58 <Steven> its like he didnt want anyone to make a nich archtype
02:20 <Nekhet> Which is a shame because it results in many people taking the base class who would otherwise be open to archetypes
02:46 <Nekhet> I try to put one or many archetypes on all my characters, but sometimes i just can't fnd any that would make my character survivable
03:24 <Nekhet> And at the same time match the character's personality and background
04:04 <Steven> alright im goin to bed
04:04 <Mekkis> I don't think any of my living characters have archetypes
04:08 <Hydrazine> Is your grappler monk on the site, Nekhet?
04:12 <Nekhet> Goodnight :)
04:18 <Steven> my muscle relaxer has fully kicked in
04:28 <Nekhet> Oh, he is, but i don't think he's fully filled out
04:29 <Nekhet> let me check
04:43 <Mekkis> so it's obvious that archetypes kill characters
05:03 <Hydrazine> So do NPCs.
05:18 <Steven> that really depends on the archetype mekkis... 
05:25 <Steven> anyways, sleep time see ya later
05:37 Steven has quit (Quit: )
07:03 <Hydrazine> I'm just curious to see how alike or different yours is from mine.
07:14 <Nekhet> yeah let me find him :)
11:08 <Nekhet> http://paizo.com/people/Rask5ey3f/profile
11:09 <Nekhet> here
11:38 Brunius- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
12:10 <Hydrazine> huh. I was hoping for a full sheet, but I guess thats close enough.
12:10 Brunius- has quit (EOF from client)
12:47 <Nekhet> well it is pretty much a full sheet
12:49 <Nekhet> save fore skills
13:13 <Hydrazine> And items, if it matters. Also doesn't have things all calculated up for me to peek at.
13:17 <Nekhet> i don't w of a way one could upload a full sheet to Paizo
13:27 <Nekhet> *know
13:35 <Hydrazine> Maneuver training is the monk thing that allows full BAB for CMBs yes?
13:56 <Hydrazine> I wasn't talking about Paizo. We post char sheets on this channel's site for gaming with eachother.
14:54 <Nekhet> Ah, well i could do that :)
15:03 <Nekhet> Probably will as soon as i get into a game
15:14 <Nekhet> yeah that's it
15:24 <Nekhet> I have both class features, feats and traits there
17:00 <Hydrazine> I see negatives on the base stats. Seems like its well agreed that its hard to make a monk that really works otherwise.
17:15 <Nekhet> This guy has a hugely fun perrsonality and background :)
17:19 <Nekhet> Yeah, it is
17:32 <Mekkis> could I Planar Binding an Unfettered Eidolon?
17:41 <Nekhet> and this guy isn't optimal stat-wise. I made his stats to represent his abiities as a character (while remaining functional)
18:10 <Hydrazine> yeah, I can tell.
19:17 <Nekhet> That's always how i build characters, and sometimes they die due to that, but i'm not about to throw away roleplaying ad get sucked into munchkining because this is still a roleplaying game :D
19:41 <Nekhet> Also i accept death as a part of the game and while it do't cheer me up when my characters die, i deal with it :)
20:08 <Hydrazine> I wasn't intending to optimize hard on two in a row. I did my monk, and then when I was making my barbarian...
20:32 <Hydrazine> Well, my barbarian is part of a two character package. The other half insisted. Double 7s or don't bother.
21:03 <Hydrazine> But the barbarian twins are a load of fun.
21:04 <Mekkis> YUCK
21:11 <Nekhet> I have teh funnest barbarian ever. She is a dwarven princess with the armored hulk archetype who walks around in gem-encrusted spiky full plate and beats people with her spiky shield that she uses as a two-hander :D
21:41 <Nekhet> And she thinks she can sing
22:13 <Hydrazine> I'm sure Fork and Spork insist that they are also excellent singers.
22:59 <Nekhet> :D
23:08 <Nekhet> She sings dwarven opera
23:18 <Nekhet> very. very. badly.
23:23 <Hydrazine> I would expect nothing less.
24:24 <Nekhet> She's basically a Valkyrie-like trype
25:03 <Nekhet> Horned helmet and everything
25:56 <Hydrazine> huh. Comparing numbers, our monks have the same CMB, but your CMD is notably better. Also yours would do better plain old fighting.
26:18 <Nekhet> Yeah good str and dex
26:31 <Nekhet> And save for his sdom he isn't a very mental type
26:46 <Hydrazine> Sharing, cause equality and all that.
26:46 <Hydrazine> http://pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=371
26:50 <Nekhet> And i play him as such. I hate it when people minmax intelligence and then play a character that figures things out :D
27:10 <Hydrazine> Fork and Spork think they figure things out.
27:50 <Nekhet> :D
27:59 <Nekhet> Well Rask doesn't. That's wisdom :D
28:39 <Hydrazine> But its rather awkward that his BAB for attacks, BAB for grappling, and BAB for CMD, are all different.
29:01 <Nekhet> I love Rask because he's really silent but when he says things, he usually says something very plain but atthe same time really insightful and reevant :D
29:46 <Nekhet> Lke "Door looks bad. All hold weapons."
30:16 <Hydrazine> Was it a really ugly door? Just didn't fit the feng shui of the building?
31:11 <Nekhet> Yeah, so Age of Enthronement, you know what i mean?
31:15 <Nekhet> XD
31:31 Brunius- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
31:57 <Hydrazine> My grappler does what hes supposed to really well, but I've had a few occassions already to see just how bad he is when grappling isn't effective.
32:22 <Hydrazine> Which is barely more useful than a cleric with no more spells or channels for the day.
32:29 <Nekhet> Yeah, i made Rask a bit more versatile, because he's been a fugitive and you get versatile when you are one :D
33:40 <Nekhet> But i shouldn't talka bout any more background spoilers ;)
33:49 <Nekhet> just in case i ever play this character around here
34:28 <Nekhet> Because pretty much every character of mine has a convoluted, sweeping background written on at least a few pages
34:33 <Hydrazine> Interesting to see that an entirely different approach results in fairly close effectiveness for now. Thanks.
34:40 <Nekhet> Np :)
35:07 <Nekhet> Anyway, it's time for me to head out and see to some grad school obligations
35:09 <Hydrazine> Later.
35:52 <Nekhet> Let me know if you guys think of any game i could join up in. I'd generaly prefer something that isn't Society, but i'm open to that too
36:26 <Hydrazine> I've not seen a non-society game since I been here I don't think.
36:36 <Nekhet> You guys only do society?
36:42 <Hydrazine> Didn't say that.
36:49 <Nekhet> Ah :9
37:12 <Nekhet> Well, like i said. Im open to everything. But maybe we can start a non-society game
37:57 <Hydrazine> G'night man.
38:35 <Nekhet> sleep tight
49:40 Brunius- has quit (EOF from client)
50:02 Brunius- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
59:32 Hydrazine has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
59:43 Brunius- has quit (EOF from client)
16:04 Brunius- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
40:42 Brunius- has quit (EOF from client)
48:48 <Avatar> ice tomb doesn't work like icy prison and therefore the fort save sticks, says SKR
52:06 Brunius_ ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
57:40 Brunius has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
58:28 Brunius- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
08:22 Steven ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
08:33 <Steven> hey guys
48:51 <Avatar> yo
01:25 <Steven> i want has browns...
01:31 <Steven> im going to go get hashbrowns
11:30 Brunius-- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
14:59 Brunius- has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
18:47 <Ballig> I thought that was a euphemism for diarrhoea
36:05 <Brunius--> Probably is
41:10 <Nekhet> hey
54:32 <Steven> no home made hashbrowns
54:41 <Steven> the tasty kind
58:42 <Ballig> well at first you said "has browns"
58:46 <Ballig> and that's what I thought was a euphemism
59:35 <Avatar> meetings that start at the same time as you start work are retarded
01:02 <Avatar> back tonight
34:45 boris has quit (Quit: )
39:05 <Hydrabot> If the target is bound, grappled, or otherwise restrained, he may make an Escape Artist check to escape as an immediate action. He gains a competence bonus on this check equal to twice your caster level (maximum +20). This spell has no effect if the target could not get free by using the Escape Artist skill (for example, if he were under the
39:06 <Hydrabot> effects of a hold person spell or paralyzed by Strength damage).
39:45 <Mekkis> immediate action, too!
39:48 <Steven> yeah liberating command is fine
40:11 <Mekkis> hmmm
40:21 <Steven> its an imediate action but requires a check
40:25 <Mekkis> would liberating command work if you were the one grappled?
40:48 <Nekhet> What if this person is in full metal armor?
40:49 <Steven> yes...
41:20 <Steven> when someone is grappled, i prefer Litany of Escape
41:33 <Steven> swift action
41:54 <Steven> it loses the grappled and pinned condition and is teleported 10ft
41:55 <Mekkis> Steven, but...
42:03 <Nekhet> Couldn't you, by the spell description, cast burning disarm on a grappled person inull metal armor held by someone else?
42:08 <Nekhet> The armor is a metal item
42:18 <Steven> the armor isnt a held item its a worn item
42:19 <Mekkis> it's an immediate action to cast the spell, and an immediate action to escape...
42:25 <Nekhet> For the grappler, it's a held item
42:30 <Mekkis> no it isn't
42:32 <Mekkis> it's held
42:39 <Mekkis> it's grappled, not held
42:51 <Mekkis> do you get multiple immediate actions?
42:58 <Steven> no
43:05 <Nekhet> But physically, that's the same thing. 
43:14 <Nekhet> It's a metal objecthey are holding. 
43:16 <Steven> you get one immediate action a round which replaces your swift action on the following round
43:27 <Mekkis> so if I was grappled, I couldn't cast Liberating Command and free myself?
43:41 <Steven> so if you do an immediate action on an enemies turn you lose your swift action on your next turn
44:16 <Nekhet> Thatdidn't matter here since it was someone else casting the spell
44:21 <Steven> if you cast it on yourself i dont believe you could make the check to escape
44:32 <Steven> until you recieve another immediate action
44:47 <Steven> its why i like Litany of Escape, swift action no check required.
44:54 <Mekkis> !spell Litany of Escape
44:58 <Steven> you just get teleported 10 ft away
45:02 <diebot> Mekkis, LITANY OF ESCAPE conjuration (teleportation[language-dependent]) antipaladin 3, inquisitor 4, paladin 3 1 swift action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one willing creature that is grappled Comp: V, S, DF Duration: instantaneous Save: no SR:yes
45:02 <diebot> With a powerful prayer, you call upon the servants of your god to whisk a friend out of a grapple. The target loses the grappled and pinned conditions and is teleported 10 feet.
45:27 <Mekkis> pity. It's not on the wizard list
45:37 <Hydrazine> grease is also a great 'get my friend ungrappled' spell
46:10 <Steven> nope but its a fairly cheap scroll
46:22 <Steven> and any wizard worth their beans should have UMD
46:35 <Mekkis> Deceased doesn't
46:51 <Mekkis> I've taken a liking to the Ring of Transposition
47:08 <Nekhet> The disadvantage of using burnindisarm as a "get your frendungrappled" spell (which is not its intended use) is 1) they must be wearing metal, and 2) they also takhe damage
47:11 <Nekhet> So i'd say it would be far to use it this way
47:26 <Nekhet> *fair
47:55 <Steven> sadly as fair as it might seem its not legal
48:04 <Mekkis> Expect Table Variation
48:39 <Nekhet> I It's not legal because of the difference betwen holding and grappling, right?
48:56 <Steven> yes
49:21 <Steven> the creature is grappling him, the creature being grappled is not considered a held item
49:38 <Steven> unless the person in question is unconcious
49:44 <Steven> then there is some wiggle room
50:05 <Nekhet> Wel t wasn't cast on him per se, but on his armor
50:35 <Nekhet> which you could argue is a held item (though it's a grappled item along with its wearer)
50:56 <Steven> yes, so the target of the spell would get a chance to drop his armor... which takes rounds to minutees... preventing him dropping it, he takes damage
51:20 <Steven> the creature grappling the target of the spell takes no damage because grappling does not take place on a specific portion of the anatomy
52:02 <Steven> that would be how i would rule it at my table
52:08 <Mekkis> I probably would allow it, if the target's wearer consents
52:10 <Nekhet> Yeah but when someone is fully armored you can't really hold him by anything but his armor
52:14 <Mekkis> (if they don't, it's PVP
52:17 <Mekkis> )
52:27 <Nekhet> This wasn't societ mind you, it was a private campaign
52:32 <Nekhet> *society
52:43 <Nekhet> I would probably disallow this in society, just to be safe
52:59 <Mekkis> it doesn't sound unbalanced, so I'd allow it
53:25 <Steven> See table variation.
53:34 <Nekhet> In private campaigns i often put common sense above the rules, especially when things boil down to semantics like here
53:37 <Steven> I err on the side of caution.
53:47 <Nekhet> And so did the GM in this case
54:06 <Nekhet> Which i thought was pretty awesome :)
54:17 <Mekkis> where are the archetypes?
54:24 <Nekhet> i tend to like to reward ingenuity even when it bends the rules
54:35 <Nekhet> And ingenious uses of spells can be fun
54:51 <Steven> http://paizo.com/rpgsuperstar
55:03 <Mekkis> no summoner archetypes :(
55:06 <Nekhet> Also yeah, it's not unbalanced, because it requires full armor and cooks the target in his armor :D
59:05 <Nekhet> Sean K. Reynolds does not recommend any archetypes, does he? :D
59:35 <MekkisScreen> because SKR is naturally the paragon of balance :P
59:57 <Steven> skr recommended a few archetypes
00:07 <Steven> i dont particularly agree with him on several points
01:02 <Nekhet> Yeah, he's a bit hard on ost of them, i think
01:30 <Nekhet> I mean, if you lok through legal archetypes (paizo and 3rd party) most turn out to be "weaker" than the base class
01:41 <Steven> I found he mostly complained about abilities that were not original or were less powerful than the original ability
01:54 <Steven> or that were too powerful
01:58 <Nekhet> And i'm not saying they should be stronger, but i think a lot of people try too hard not to make them stronger, and end up meaking them weaker
02:31 <Steven> its like he didnt want anyone to make a nich archtype
02:53 <Nekhet> Which is a shame because it results in many people taking the base class who would otherwise be open to archetypes
03:12 <Nekhet> anyone around?
03:19 <Nekhet> I try to put one or many archetypes on all my characters, but sometimes i just can't fnd any that would make my character survivable
03:57 <Nekhet> And at the same time match the character's personality and background
04:37 <Steven> alright im goin to bed
04:37 <Mekkis> I don't think any of my living characters have archetypes
04:41 <Hydrazine> Is your grappler monk on the site, Nekhet?
04:45 <Nekhet> Goodnight :)
04:50 <Steven> my muscle relaxer has fully kicked in
05:01 <Nekhet> Oh, he is, but i don't think he's fully filled out
05:02 <Nekhet> let me check
05:16 <Mekkis> so it's obvious that archetypes kill characters
05:36 <Hydrazine> So do NPCs.
05:51 <Steven> that really depends on the archetype mekkis... 
05:58 <Steven> anyways, sleep time see ya later
07:36 <Hydrazine> I'm just curious to see how alike or different yours is from mine.
07:47 <Nekhet> yeah let me find him :)
11:41 <Nekhet> http://paizo.com/people/Rask5ey3f/profile
11:42 <Nekhet> here
12:43 <Hydrazine> huh. I was hoping for a full sheet, but I guess thats close enough.
13:20 <Nekhet> well it is pretty much a full sheet
13:22 <Nekhet> save fore skills
13:46 <Hydrazine> And items, if it matters. Also doesn't have things all calculated up for me to peek at.
13:50 <Nekhet> i don't w of a way one could upload a full sheet to Paizo
13:59 <Nekhet> *know
14:08 <Steven> yup
14:08 <Hydrazine> Maneuver training is the monk thing that allows full BAB for CMBs yes?
14:13 <Steven> im smoking my pipe
14:28 <Hydrazine> I wasn't talking about Paizo. We post char sheets on this channel's site for gaming with eachother.
15:26 <Nekhet> Ah, well i could do that :)
15:35 <Nekhet> Probably will as soon as i get into a game
15:47 <Nekhet> yeah that's it
15:56 <Nekhet> I have both class features, feats and traits there
17:33 <Hydrazine> I see negatives on the base stats. Seems like its well agreed that its hard to make a monk that really works otherwise.
17:48 <Nekhet> This guy has a hugely fun perrsonality and background :)
17:51 <Nekhet> Yeah, it is
18:05 <Mekkis> could I Planar Binding an Unfettered Eidolon?
18:13 <Nekhet> and this guy isn't optimal stat-wise. I made his stats to represent his abiities as a character (while remaining functional)
18:43 <Hydrazine> yeah, I can tell.
19:50 <Nekhet> That's always how i build characters, and sometimes they die due to that, but i'm not about to throw away roleplaying ad get sucked into munchkining because this is still a roleplaying game :D
20:04 <Steven> now that was tasty
20:14 <Nekhet> Also i accept death as a part of the game and while it do't cheer me up when my characters die, i deal with it :)
20:41 <Hydrazine> I wasn't intending to optimize hard on two in a row. I did my monk, and then when I was making my barbarian...
20:55 <Steven> Flue-cured zimbabweand malawi tabacco and black Cavendish with a mild burley
21:05 <Hydrazine> Well, my barbarian is part of a two character package. The other half insisted. Double 7s or don't bother.
21:36 <Hydrazine> But the barbarian twins are a load of fun.
21:37 <Mekkis> YUCK
21:43 <Nekhet> I have teh funnest barbarian ever. She is a dwarven princess with the armored hulk archetype who walks around in gem-encrusted spiky full plate and beats people with her spiky shield that she uses as a two-hander :D
22:14 <Nekhet> And she thinks she can sing
22:46 <Hydrazine> I'm sure Fork and Spork insist that they are also excellent singers.
23:32 <Nekhet> :D
23:41 <Nekhet> She sings dwarven opera
23:51 <Nekhet> very. very. badly.
23:55 <Hydrazine> I would expect nothing less.
24:57 <Nekhet> She's basically a Valkyrie-like trype
25:36 <Nekhet> Horned helmet and everything
26:28 <Hydrazine> huh. Comparing numbers, our monks have the same CMB, but your CMD is notably better. Also yours would do better plain old fighting.
26:50 <Nekhet> Yeah good str and dex
27:04 <Nekhet> And save for his sdom he isn't a very mental type
27:19 <Hydrazine> Sharing, cause equality and all that.
27:19 <Hydrazine> http://pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=371
27:22 <Nekhet> And i play him as such. I hate it when people minmax intelligence and then play a character that figures things out :D
27:43 <Hydrazine> Fork and Spork think they figure things out.
27:58 <Nekhet> Sounds fancy
28:23 <Nekhet> :D
28:32 <Nekhet> Well Rask doesn't. That's wisdom :D
29:11 <Hydrazine> But its rather awkward that his BAB for attacks, BAB for grappling, and BAB for CMD, are all different.
29:32 Antichthon ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
29:33 <Nekhet> I love Rask because he's really silent but when he says things, he usually says something very plain but atthe same time really insightful and reevant :D
30:19 <Nekhet> Lke "Door looks bad. All hold weapons."
30:48 <Hydrazine> Was it a really ugly door? Just didn't fit the feng shui of the building?
31:43 <Nekhet> Yeah, so Age of Enthronement, you know what i mean?
31:48 <Nekhet> XD
32:30 <Hydrazine> My grappler does what hes supposed to really well, but I've had a few occassions already to see just how bad he is when grappling isn't effective.
32:55 <Hydrazine> Which is barely more useful than a cleric with no more spells or channels for the day.
33:02 <Nekhet> Yeah, i made Rask a bit more versatile, because he's been a fugitive and you get versatile when you are one :D
34:13 <Nekhet> But i shouldn't talka bout any more background spoilers ;)
34:22 <Nekhet> just in case i ever play this character around here
35:01 <Nekhet> Because pretty much every character of mine has a convoluted, sweeping background written on at least a few pages
35:06 <Hydrazine> Interesting to see that an entirely different approach results in fairly close effectiveness for now. Thanks.
35:13 <Nekhet> Np :)
35:40 <Nekhet> Anyway, it's time for me to head out and see to some grad school obligations
35:42 <Hydrazine> Later.
36:25 <Nekhet> Let me know if you guys think of any game i could join up in. I'd generaly prefer something that isn't Society, but i'm open to that too
36:26 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
36:58 <Hydrazine> I've not seen a non-society game since I been here I don't think.
37:03 <Steven> it isnt overly fancy, but its damned tasty
37:09 <Nekhet> You guys only do society?
37:15 <Hydrazine> Didn't say that.
37:22 <Nekhet> Ah :9
37:45 <Nekhet> Well, like i said. Im open to everything. But maybe we can start a non-society game
38:30 <Hydrazine> G'night man.
39:08 <Nekhet> sleep tight
43:15 <Nekhet> I don't know much about pipe smoking though i have tasted a few rather interesting blends
46:35 <Steven> well i know i enjoy it
47:07 <Steven> used to enjoy it more often, but my athsma prohibits me from smoking very often
47:22 <Steven> plus i lost my tamper and just bought a new one today
48:51 <Nekhet> I generally don't smoke tobacco but i'll make an exception for an occasional pipe or cigar
50:21 Ulzef has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
53:30 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:12 Ulzef has quit (Client exited)
54:19 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
58:21 Ulzef has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
58:27 Sutekh ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
59:39 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
00:00 Ulzef has quit (Client exited)
07:37 <Sutekh> quick Question: Does Pathfinder generally followed the D&D 3.5 standard when it comes to expanding threat ranges? Ie .. you dont unless it says you can?
09:44 kapow_Office ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
19:26 Mort- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
19:37 Mort- ([email protected]) has left #d&d (Leaving)
44:38 <Mekkis> Sutekh, there's nothing... that specifically states it in a general case
45:57 <Mekkis> oh wow
46:40 <Mekkis> I can upgrade Deceased's headband to +4
46:40 boris ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
49:21 <Avatar> ice tomb doesn't work like icy prison and therefore the fort save sticks, says SKR
26:38 Hydrazine ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
30:02 Hydralaptop ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
37:14 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: TBA | WotW: Feb 9th 2pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
37:14 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Tue Jan 29 06:46:13 2013
37:14 <***> Buffer Playback...
37:14 <***> Playback Complete.
38:28 <Mekkis> Should Defunct take Crane Wing :S
38:41 <Hydralaptop> Defunct is who again? Diabolist?
38:57 <Mekkis> Defunct is Deceased's invisible telepathic leopard
39:11 <Hydralaptop> Then why does it need crane wing?
39:27 <Mekkis> to avoid being hit
41:46 <Hydralaptop> Right.
42:16 <Hydralaptop> Can it meet pre-reqs?
42:30 <Mekkis> dex 13?
42:36 <Mekkis> sure
43:09 <Hydralaptop> crane style? dodge? IUS?
43:21 <Hydralaptop> BAB 5?
43:40 <Mekkis> sure
43:49 <Mekkis> 4 feats
48:16 <Mekkis> my next PFS character shall be from Brevoy
54:31 <Steven> does it have int of 3?
55:13 <Mekkis> no.
55:17 <Mekkis> it has an int of 14
55:57 <Steven> then shouldnt you be discussing this with defunct since its smart enough to make its own decisions?
55:58 <Steven> lol
00:38 <Mekkis> it died. I'm in the process of sacrificing a virgin to summon a new one
01:05 <Steven> evil act?
01:17 <Mekkis> probably
01:41 <Mekkis> but just "evil as in casting an evil spell", rather than "evil as in alignment shift"
01:42 <Steven> best not let the society here you did that lol
01:57 <Steven> they are going all good aligned
02:27 <Mekkis> So, Deceased was discussing the possibility of casting Cloudkill in the centre of the temple of Abadar
02:57 <Steven> grats?
03:17 <Steven> is this part of race?
03:20 <Mekkis> and the GMs told me in no uncertain terms that should I do that, the paladins and clerics there would kill me and dispel the cloudkill within one round...
03:24 <Mekkis> yeah
03:51 <Steven> that seems like a very likely response from the clerics and paladins
04:30 <Mekkis> So Deceased didn't. When $NPC cast cloudkill in the temple of Abadar, Deceased cast Dimension Door, confident that the clerics and paladins would deal with it.
05:01 <Steven> lol
05:04 <Mekkis> Then he got penalised for not dealing with the threat!
05:17 <Steven> you got rooked!
05:39 <Steven> but really that sucks
06:19 <Hydralaptop> rooked hard yo
06:57 <Steven> so why do you wanna give your imp cranewing when you could give it flyby attack?!?
07:07 <Steven> then it can do flyby attacks with its stinger
07:31 <Mekkis> because flyby attack sucks?
07:58 <Mekkis> it provokes
08:37 <Steven> its a tiny sized creature that can go invisible....
08:52 <Mekkis> invisible, not greater
09:28 <Steven> what level is its caster level?
09:40 <Steven> because it should be able to qualify for quicken spell like ability
09:51 <Mekkis> is it legal in PFS?
10:35 <Steven> not for PCs but i dont believe theres any prohibition against an imp companion getting it
11:13 <Mekkis> in that case, Quickened Grease seems really good
11:40 <Steven> yeah or quickened invisibility so it starts combat invisible
11:47 <Steven> fly by attack sting
11:51 <Steven> swift action invis
12:09 <Mekkis> sneak up, full attack
12:09 <Steven> continue moving past enemy
12:25 <Steven> yeah the possibilities are a bit crazy
12:52 <Hydralaptop> D&D has endless possibilities! You can be a barbarian! Wield a greataxe!
13:11 <Mekkis> hmm
13:32 <Mekkis> would you say that the imp, being an outsider, has proficiency with all simple and martial weapons?
14:05 <Hydralaptop> Aren't the rules for player companions already laid down somewhere?
14:28 <Mekkis> yes, but...
14:40 <Mekkis> it says "type changed to outsider"
14:45 <Mekkis> and doesn't say either way
14:56 <Mekkis> there was some ruling that aasimar and tieflings don't
15:07 <Mekkis> "because they have class levels"
15:34 <Mekkis> Skulls provided by "Creepy Pete's No Questions Asked Cleaning and Disposal," a division of "Anything Goes Necro Supply" owned and operated by "Families, Traditional Values, Kittens, Puppies, and Candy for Orphans, a Nonprofit."
15:36 <Hydralaptop> Sounds like something you should ask someone with authority.
16:12 <Steven> frankly mekkis i dont know enough about animal companions to give an informed opinion
17:33 <Steven> I built two so far, and neither one are near as complicated as an imp that advances as a druids animal companion
23:10 <Steven> im lookin at your companion now mekkis...
24:24 <Steven> im... interested in why you sunk two feats into butterfly sting and improved critical on a creature that really isnt very good at attacking things
24:54 <Mekkis> it seemed a good idea at the time
25:06 <Hydralaptop> for who to take advantage of?
25:20 <Steven> well you get to do a rebuild since it died correct?
25:37 <Hydralaptop> The selling point of B.Sting involves some beefy guy with a 4x crit weapon and PA.
25:59 <Mekkis> yeah
26:07 <Mekkis> Bairaq refused to get a scythe :(
26:11 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
26:21 <Mekkis> what an uncooperative paladin
26:52 <Ulzef> thats kinda what pallies do
27:23 <Hydralaptop> Be uncooperative?
27:33 <Hydralaptop> ....Mostly, yeah. Pretty accurate.
27:58 <Hydralaptop> Jerus would've got a crit weapon.
27:59 <Hydralaptop> No question.
28:05 <Ulzef> and not sign nda's
28:09 <Mekkis> but Jerus wasn't there
28:24 <Mekkis> indeed. We need to release that incriminating information, don't we
30:52 <Ulzef> yes we do
30:52 <Hydralaptop> Yeah, Jerus was likely busy being dead.
31:05 <Hydralaptop> Unlike Judge Fudge.
31:14 <Hydralaptop> Who is simply too busy being delicious.
31:53 <Steven> hey mekkis... question about way of the wicked
31:54 <Mekkis> !find jerus
31:56 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=352
31:56 <Mekkis> ja
32:01 <Steven> can i take this?
32:06 <Steven> !feat shade of the uskwood
32:07 <diebot> Steven, VOICE OF THE SIBYL []Prereq:  Cha 15.  Your voice is strangely compelling.
32:07 <diebot> Benefit:  You get a +1 bonus on all Bluff, Diplomacy, and Perform (oratory) skill checks. If you have 10 or more ranks in one of these skills, the bonus increases to +3 for that skill. You do not get these bonuses if you do not use your voice when using the skill (such as using Bluff to feint in combat). Source: UM
32:18 <Steven> !feat shade of the woodlands
32:19 <Mekkis> sure
32:19 <diebot> Steven, VOICE OF THE SIBYL []Prereq:  Cha 15.  Your voice is strangely compelling.
32:19 <diebot> Benefit:  You get a +1 bonus on all Bluff, Diplomacy, and Perform (oratory) skill checks. If you have 10 or more ranks in one of these skills, the bonus increases to +3 for that skill. You do not get these bonuses if you do not use your voice when using the skill (such as using Bluff to feint in combat). Source: UM
32:28 <Steven> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/shade-of-the-uskwood
32:42 <Steven> !feat shade of the duskwood
32:42 <diebot> Steven, VOICE OF THE SIBYL []Prereq:  Cha 15.  Your voice is strangely compelling.
32:43 <diebot> Benefit:  You get a +1 bonus on all Bluff, Diplomacy, and Perform (oratory) skill checks. If you have 10 or more ranks in one of these skills, the bonus increases to +3 for that skill. You do not get these bonuses if you do not use your voice when using the skill (such as using Bluff to feint in combat). Source: UM
32:54 <Mekkis> Steven, diebot doesn't have ISWG
32:56 <Steven> its from inner sea worldguide
33:01 <Steven> i was reading random shit yesterday
33:14 <Mekkis> sure
33:16 <Steven> came across it, seems very Blight Druid
35:45 <Steven> kick ass, gonna take that as 3rd level feat
36:19 <Steven> since i hae spell focus and greater spell focus necromancy
36:24 <Sutekh> Anyone have any experience with Treesingers? THat elven Druid with the Plant Companion
36:37 <Mekkis> nope
36:57 <Mekkis> I don't do archetypes
37:34 <Steven> negative
37:38 <Steven> no experience with it
37:50 <Mekkis> 12000gp to upgrade +2 headband to +4, right?
38:41 * Steven shrugs
38:48 <Steven> i dont remember all the formulas
39:15 <Sutekh> Mekkis: Yeah
39:19 <Sutekh> Goes 4, then 16
39:22 <Sutekh> so 12k
39:43 <Ulzef> we theory crafted the tree singer and seemed they gave up more rhan  they got
39:46 <Mekkis> I suppose Deceased should look at pushing his int to 26
40:57 <Sutekh> So he is intelligent enough to realise that the imp is a bad idea?
41:01 <Sutekh> or is that wisdom?
41:45 <Sutekh> Ulzef: I dont know, I know a level 5 one that has a Vine or something as a companion. Seems very cheesyt
42:52 <Mekkis> Sutekh, pretty sure that's wisdom :)
44:09 <Steven> lookin at the treesinger... looks fine to me
44:30 <Mekkis> Bam! 26 int
44:56 <Ulzef> gets hampered by movement like the snake druid
45:08 <Steven> your almost as smart as honey is beautiful
45:29 <Mekkis> what's honey's level?
45:44 <Steven> 10
46:14 <Mekkis> and cha?
46:22 <Steven> 27
46:29 <Mekkis> how?
46:31 <Steven> beat ya by 1
46:46 <Steven> thats for me to know, and you to wish you did!
47:01 <Mekkis> start at 18, +2 racial, +2 level, +4 headband
47:07 <Mekkis> or do you have the +6 headband?
47:21 <Mekkis> I remember you were talking about advancing ioun stones
47:23 * Steven remains silet on the subject.
47:34 <Mekkis> (and then shot down)
47:39 <Steven> yeah, about how i had to refund the cost of purchasing one
47:44 <Steven> which is really sad
47:54 <Steven> but i can see why they banned them
47:59 <Steven> people were doing stupid shit with them
48:13 <Mekkis> like asking about them?
48:49 <Steven> no comment.
49:29 <Mekkis> can you suggest a feat for Deceased?
49:45 <Steven> is deceased your diabolist of your companion?
49:50 <Mekkis> the diabolist
50:08 <Sutekh> Are there any feats that directly boost a Familar?
50:26 <Mekkis> yes, but Defunct isn't, strictly speaking, a familiar, iirc
50:46 <Mekkis> and taking Evolved Familiar and applying it to Defunct sounds Too Good to be Legal
53:51 <Mekkis> Improved Counterspell?
55:06 Ulzef has quit (Connection closed)
00:53 <Mekkis> hmmm
00:57 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
01:12 <Mekkis> Celestial Servant would be... weird with a diabolist
02:05 <Ulzef> but fire immunity on defunct would be awesome
02:16 <Mekkis> indeed
03:50 <Mekkis> Ok, I'm tossing up between Spell Penetration, Skill focus, Improved Counterspell, or a metamagic feat
04:28 <Ulzef> persistant spell is nice if you dont have it
05:14 <Mekkis> persistant seems like something I'd get a rod of
05:17 <Ulzef> can you persistant pk yet cause that is hella cheese
05:27 <Mekkis> not for a few levels
05:33 <Mekkis> !feat Craft Staff
05:34 Ulzef ([email protected]) has left #d&d
05:36 <diebot> Mekkis, CRAFT STAFF [Item Creation]Prereq:  Caster level 11th.  You can create magic staves.
05:36 <diebot> Benefit:  You can create any staff whose prerequisites you meet. Crafting a staff takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. To craft a staff, you must use up raw materials costing half of its base price. A newly created staff has 10 charges. See the magic item creation rules in Magic Items for more information. Source: Core
05:44 <Mekkis> yeah
05:45 <Mekkis> two levels
05:55 <Mekkis> then I finally can get a magical bonded item!
06:05 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
06:10 <Mekkis> two levels
06:19 <Mekkis> then I can finally get a magical bonded item
06:30 <Ulzef> gah stupid phone
07:52 <Mekkis> Intensified Battering Blast is horrible cheese
08:03 <Mekkis> !spell Battering Blast
08:08 <diebot> Mekkis, BATTERING BLAST evocation (force[]) sorcerer/wizard 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature or unattended object Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Reflex partial (see text) SR:yes
08:09 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/battering_blast.html
08:10 <Mekkis> but I'd need to buy a book to use it
09:08 <Mekkis> (that's what a different character will be using)
10:43 <Ulzef> nice i been slowly getting everything on pdf
11:29 <Ulzef> but nice spell
12:17 <Mekkis> Greater Spell Penetration seems good
12:30 <Mekkis> I'm not sure how much I'd actually use improved counterspell
14:24 kapow_mobile ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
16:21 <Ulzef> bah you just offensive counter instead
16:35 <Mekkis> yeah
16:42 <Mekkis> cloudkill, right?
17:03 <Ulzef> that works
18:23 <Mekkis> any animal I should consider, other than leopard?
19:57 <Mekkis> Kangaroo?
20:07 <Mekkis> Dire Sloth?
22:18 Ulzef has quit (Connection closed)
24:11 <kapow_Office> badger!
24:21 <Steven> alright back
24:48 <Mekkis> Dire Corgi?
24:50 <Steven> and mekkis, prep it once or twice, test it out before you use it
25:14 kapow_mobile has quit (Connection closed)
26:12 <Mekkis> what? improved counterspell?
26:17 <Steven> paizo does not expect you to purchase a book in advance to try a spell out... just like they dont expect a new player to rush out after their first game and pay for a core rulebook, apg, and arg for a person who wants to build a teifling inquisitor that utilizes power attack
26:25 <Steven> battering whatever
26:53 <Mekkis> Steven, I'm sure I'll use it, but Nightmare's just hit 4th
27:00 <Mekkis> still two levels before he can take it
27:13 <Steven> prep it for a game, see if it suits your character, and if it does then use the book
28:37 <Steven> walter, knowing i am low income person didnt require me to purchase a book till like 2 months into my pfs career
28:55 <Steven> and really didnt even bother me about it, i was like check it out my first book
29:19 <Steven> finished off my core assumption bout 5-6 months ago
29:31 <Mekkis> I'm generally fine with that, until you start making a character using ten or so books
29:44 <Mekkis> !find Jager
29:45 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=208
29:49 <Mekkis> like that guy
30:25 <Mekkis> (guess how many books)
30:36 <Steven> i dunno....
30:41 <Steven> dont really care either
31:39 <Steven> although thats really engenious character lol
31:45 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/tank_exposed.html sources colourcoded
32:46 <Steven> yup...
32:57 <Steven> that seems about right
32:58 <Steven> lol
34:22 <Steven> the kobold and honey are gonna end up having right around the same Cha
34:35 <Steven> shes currently saving up for a +5 insight book
35:22 <Mekkis> twinned maximised empowered fell drain wings of flurry doing 300+0.5*50d6 damage and 4 negative levels, reflex halves
35:58 <Mekkis> on the plus side, it's only a DC27 reflex save
36:58 <Steven> at level 22... seems reasonable to pull off lol
37:39 <Mekkis> level 20
38:22 <Steven> 20... 22... same dif
38:43 <Mekkis> actually, in 3.5e, there's a /massive/ difference between level 20 and level 21
38:58 <Mekkis> aka Epic Spellcasting
39:05 <Steven> would you like to watch as i magically dont care?
39:19 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
39:20 <Mekkis> would be entertaining
39:23 Ulzef has quit (Connection closed)
39:44 * Steven uses magic and a puff of smoke shoots out from his hand... you dont think steven was entertaining...
40:39 <Steven> im just fuckin with ya, but yeah at pretty much levels >15 every build that survives is massively powerful or on its way to the trash bin
41:12 <Mekkis> I haven't done high-level Pathfinder, but I'd imagine it'd be like that
41:14 <Steven> also
41:23 <Steven> i got chinese food
41:25 <Mekkis> it definitely was like that in 3.5
41:26 <Steven> its tasty
41:33 <Mekkis> I have christmas cake
41:35 <Steven> druids...
41:45 <Steven> whats a christmas cake?
42:02 <Steven> do you mean fruit cake?
42:03 <Mekkis> a heavy, heavily alcohol-soaked fruit cake
42:15 <Steven> i approve of thise!
42:19 <Mekkis> about 70% fruit, 20% alcohol, 10% cake
42:26 <kapow_Office> I have pavlova
42:40 <Steven> you know, my dad never has liked fruit cake
42:47 <Steven> i think hes afraid of it
43:05 <Steven> its been a running gag to get him one every year
48:21 <kapow_Office> lol
48:25 <kapow_Office> ice it next time
48:30 <kapow_Office> so he doesn't know it's fruit cake
49:09 <Steven> i dunno what im going to get for honey's 6th level spell
49:33 <Steven> i guess antilife shell
51:27 <Steven> because she auto gets heal from her mystery
54:06 <Brunius--> Mentlegen
58:08 <Mekkis> Honey hit 12th?
58:18 <Mekkis> !spell Epidemic
58:23 <diebot> Mekkis, EPIDEMIC necromancy ([disease, evil]) cleric 6, druid 6, sorcerer/wizard 7, witch 6 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) living creature Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Fortitude negates SR:yes
58:25 <diebot> The target contracts one of the following diseases: blinding sickness, bubonic plague, cackle fever, filth fever, leprosy, mindfire, red ache, shakes, or slimy doom (Core Rulebook 557), as the spell contagion. However, the disease is highly contagious, and any creature that touches the infected target, is touched by the target, or spends more than
58:26 <diebot> an hour in a confined space with the target must make a save against the disease's normal DC (not the spell DC) or contract the disease. If the initial target overcomes the disease by making the required number of saving throws, it remains a carrier of the disease for a length of time equal to the disease's frequency, and can continue to infect
58:26 <diebot> others during this time.
58:41 <Steven> she will very shortly
59:08 <Steven> next game i become 11 and then i plan on running a module for 12th
59:33 <Mekkis> Find the Path!
59:49 <Mekkis> you're a pathfinder
59:52 <Mekkis> you should take it
00:30 <Steven> ....
00:33 <Steven> seriously?
00:37 <Steven> thats your suggestion?
00:42 <Mekkis> it's now /bad/
01:35 <Mekkis> Heroes' Feast is not bad either
01:50 <Mekkis> what deity?
02:23 <Steven> sarenrae, temple priestess and healer
02:37 <Steven> i think antilife field thing
03:40 <Mekkis> wow
03:42 <Mekkis> Dust Form!
04:14 <Mekkis> take that!
06:22 <Mekkis> I want to write a summoner archetype, where instead of having an eidolon, the summoner is able to name and equip summoned monsters.
06:43 <Steven> so... an eidolon?
06:49 <Mekkis> no.
07:04 <Mekkis> you know that 3+cha mod SLA of summon monster
07:19 <Mekkis> rather than getting generic monsters, you can get the same one each itme
07:21 <Mekkis> time
07:43 <Hydralaptop> Equip a summoned monster? As what? I know a seal can make a pretty good club, but which slot would you put the wombat?
08:38 <Hydralaptop> Aussies keep telling me how wombats like to run directly into fire, Steve.
08:45 Tashes ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
08:52 * Steven shrugs
09:06 <Steven> hey guys
10:09 <Hydralaptop> Not as frightening as hoop snakes though.
10:38 <Mekkis> yeah
10:47 <Mekkis> I was doing 110 last week, and one overtook me!
11:26 <Tashes> Were you wearing the vegemite behind your ears?
11:32 <Mekkis> no!
11:44 <Tashes> that'd be why!
13:49 <Hydralaptop> I always wear my vegemite.
14:52 <Steven> alright, goin to sleep... these muscle relaxers kick ass
15:12 <Steven> *kick my ass
15:20 * Mekkis kicks Steven's donkey
15:45 <Steven> though, they also kick ass as about half an hour after taking one my back pain is severly diminished
15:58 <Steven> alright sleep... have a good one guys
16:06 <Steven> and tashes
16:12 <Tashes> Night Steven
16:38 <Hydralaptop> Later
16:42 <Mekkis> 'night
17:14 <Steven> maybe a game tomorrow
23:37 <kapow_Office> hey mekk sorry to be a pain in the ass can you email me the wotw character guide so i can pick the must have trait
23:49 <kapow_Office> I need it on my other pc can't open pdf's on laptop for some stupid reason
24:25 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/WotW_BG-crop.pdf
24:29 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Way_of_the_wicked_handout-crop.pdf
32:10 redfox127 ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
32:42 redfox127 has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
33:13 mib_5xk8rn ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:57 mib_5xk8rn has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
49:24 <Avatar> yo
01:57 <Steven> i want has browns...
02:03 <Steven> im going to go get hashbrowns
06:29 <Brunius--> Oh, traits...
06:45 <Brunius--> Guys: No more clerics for me
08:31 kapow_Office has quit (Quit: )
18:47 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
19:19 <Ballig> I thought that was a euphemism for diarrhoea
19:41 Ulzef has quit (Connection closed)
20:10 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
20:19 Ulzef has quit (Connection closed)
20:38 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
21:39 <Ulzef> anyone know if there is a way to upload characters to the site from hero lab?
27:43 Ulzef has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
29:41 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
29:42 Ulzef ([email protected]) has left #d&d
30:07 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
30:51 Ulzef has quit (Connection closed)
32:57 Forevernade ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
36:17 Brunius_ is now known as Brunius
36:25 Brunius has quit (Changing hosts)
36:26 Brunius ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
36:38 <Brunius--> Probably is
41:43 <Nekhet> hey
48:03 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
48:14 Ulzef ([email protected]) has left #d&d
48:45 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
53:00 Hydralaptop has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
54:29 Ulzef has quit (Connection closed)
55:04 <Steven> no home made hashbrowns
55:14 <Steven> the tasty kind
59:15 <Ballig> well at first you said "has browns"
59:19 <Ballig> and that's what I thought was a euphemism
00:07 <Avatar> meetings that start at the same time as you start work are retarded
01:34 <Avatar> back tonight
17:43 Wrothmonk ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
19:35 Wrothmonk has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
22:53 <Avatar> gentlemen
23:42 <Brunius> mentlegen
26:26 <Avatar> anyone know how to convert a herolabs character to text
27:56 <Avatar> still need to level up my characters :|
38:42 boris has quit (Quit: )
47:48 wrothmonk ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
48:28 wrothmonk has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
48:40 <Avatar> not sure whether to keep investing in trip
48:47 wrothmonk ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
48:51 <Avatar> Fury's Fall is looking pretty sexy to give me a +3 to CMB
48:58 <Avatar> wrothmonk
49:07 <Avatar> you are a hard man to catch
49:12 <Avatar> is anyone else using your computer
50:59 boris ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
53:03 <wrothmonk> Yeah I just found out why somebody in my name did grief. I had the wrong server, I'm really sorry dude. I was playing around on one of the other modpacks in FTB and I found a server. Griefing allowed and it was just player versus player in the survival. I apparently clicked on the wrong mod pack and I wasnt paying attention to the server I had entered.
53:54 <wrothmonk> I'll be leaving now. Sorry, I feel like a idiot.
54:10 wrothmonk has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
00:39 <Avatar> archaeologists need a hell of a lot of skills
15:37 <Avatar> jesus, I don't get 2nd level spells until 6th level
16:23 <Brunius> You didn't check this BEFORE taking the archetype?
19:17 <Avatar> it's not an archetype thing
19:26 <Avatar> it's what happens when you multiclass twice with a bard
20:20 <Avatar> not sure if I should specialise in tripping or shooting
20:40 <Avatar> with that 5th level feat
20:53 <Avatar> the one I was going to take adds +3 to CMB for trips, but it's contraversial
24:26 boris has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
26:54 <Avatar> I thought archaeologists didn't get any other abilities after 6th level
26:59 <Avatar> but trap sense happens every 3 levels
29:31 <Avatar> bodyguard is a pretty decent feat, automatic aid another to AC for adjacent allies which uses an AoO
29:39 <Avatar> requires combat reflexes, which I have
32:07 <Avatar> and I get rogue talents every 4 levels
32:14 <Avatar> maybe I should read my archetype a little better
33:01 ForevernadeAFK ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
33:07 Tashes_ ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
37:49 <Nekhet> hello
37:59 Tashes has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
38:05 Forevernade has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
38:12 <Brunius> hello
39:37 <Nekhet> what''s up?
40:51 <Avatar> yo
41:18 <Avatar> is masterwork transformation supposed to cost 300gp for mastework + 40gp for a 2nd level spellcasting service
41:33 <Brunius> I think so, yeah
42:45 <Avatar> I had 320 written down
42:55 <Avatar> not sure why, I assume I thought 2nd level spellcasting was 20gp
46:32 Antichthon has quit (Quit: )
48:06 <Nekhet> Starmetal is freaking awesome :D
49:43 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
02:36 <Avatar> Ulzef: is there a way to export herolabs to text format
02:43 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure there is, and that's how you'd upload it
02:51 <Avatar> but I don't use herolabs so I don't know where the option is
03:02 <Ulzef> kk thanks
03:12 <Avatar> a few others have used herolabs before, but not for ages
03:19 <Avatar> messy stat block sheets
03:45 <Nekhet> anyone around?
05:34 <Ulzef> gonna play with that now was getting my mods listed
08:39 <Avatar> I am trying to level up my mess of characters
09:49 <Avatar> what costs 60gp and is something you'd want to sell
11:24 <Nekhet> Have any of you guys considered running a non-society game?
11:27 <Ulzef> um no idea never been that short on cash that i have had to think about it
11:40 <Avatar> mekkis runs way of the wicked, that's non society
11:48 <Nekhet> like maybe an adventure path or a module
12:03 <Avatar> we've run crypt of the everflame, which is a pfs module
12:09 <Nekhet> Ah, cool :)
12:11 <Avatar> I'll be running ruby phoenix tournament sometime semi-soonish
12:18 <Ulzef> i have a IRL group that does AP but wont society
12:27 <Avatar> what's wrong with them
12:28 <Brunius> I'm considering it
12:40 <Avatar> considering what
12:41 <Nekhet> I wasn't sure, i was told yesterday that only society games were ru here, and while i love society i'd prefer to save it for our RL sessions
12:46 <Brunius> a non society game
12:56 <Avatar> aren't you in WotW
13:02 <Brunius> Yeah
13:12 <Avatar> that doesn't sound like considering
13:16 <Brunius> running
13:19 <Nekhet> Okay WotW runs from 4 am to 8 am my time XD
13:31 <Brunius> <Nekhet> Have any of you guys considered running a non-society game?
13:34 <Avatar> not easy to get into a long running campaign
13:45 <Avatar> oh, you're considering running one?
14:02 <Brunius> Yeah
14:08 <Avatar> sweet
14:21 <Avatar> here's your chance nekhet
14:31 <Brunius> CONSIDERING
14:41 <Steven> yup
14:46 <Steven> im smoking my pipe
14:47 <Nekhet> I could for the most part do something with you guys if you play when it's evening your place
15:00 <Nekhet> i'd even wake up at 8 AM on a saturday morning XD
15:38 <Nekhet> That's about 6 PM there if i got this right
15:52 <Brunius> GMT+1?
15:56 <Nekhet> yeah
16:03 <Brunius> Yeah, seems right
16:29 <Nekhet> I have some practice playing with aussies so i got these timezones kind of down :P
17:24 <Nekhet> It's part of the reason why i choose to show up at your place. Almost every aussie i have met was invariably cool :D
17:41 <Avatar> almost
18:00 <Nekhet> Yeah well you know there's always exceptions to anything
18:37 <Nekhet> By the way, how do you guys resolve grid positioning?
19:05 <Avatar> go to the site and download combat assistant
20:27 <Nekhet> on it
20:37 <Steven> now that was tasty
20:56 <Nekhet> By the way you guy have an awesome site, i love the design
21:09 <Nekhet> the web needs more simple and functional sites like that
21:27 <Steven> Flue-cured zimbabweand malawi tabacco and black Cavendish with a mild burley
22:13 <Brunius> BUT SPLASHY ADVERTS
22:42 <Nekhet> Exactly
23:01 <Brunius> Congratulations! You are the 1 000 000th visitor to this site
23:09 <Brunius> >>Click here to claim your prize<<
23:48 <Nekhet> So, cool. Once i get in  some sort of game and a bit used to this stuff, i can probably also run something, if you guys need more GMing power.
24:21 <Nekhet> But one thing at a time XD
25:47 <Avatar> yeah man if you can GM, do it
27:18 <Nekhet> Sure, i've been GMing this and that for a few years :)
28:31 <Nekhet> Sounds fancy
31:54 ForevernadeAFK has quit (EOF from client)
32:06 <Avatar> Nekhet are you registered on the site
33:15 Sutekh has quit (*.net *.split)
33:15 Ulzef has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 Tashes_ has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 Nekhet has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 Ziria has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 Brunius-- has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 ChanOP has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 diebot has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 hX8 has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 kapow_znc has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 Steven has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 MekkisScreen has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 Ziria- has quit (*.net *.split)
33:16 Ballig has quit (*.net *.split)
33:22 <Avatar> ops
34:12 ChanOP ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Sutekh ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Steven ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Ziria ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Brunius-- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Tashes_ ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 diebot ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 hX8 ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Nekhet ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 kapow_znc ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 MekkisScreen ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Ziria- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Ballig ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 Forevernade ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:12 waia.wa.au.austnet.org gives channel half-operator status to diebot
34:12 waia.wa.au.austnet.org gives channel operator status to ChanOP
34:51 <Ulzef> setrver split?
34:56 <Avatar> yeap
34:59 <Avatar> happens occasionally
36:52 <Ulzef> sweet havnt really used IRC for about 4 or so years wasnt sure how much of a thing that still was
37:36 <Steven> it isnt overly fancy, but its damned tasty
37:36 <Avatar> Ulzef: did you end up finding that extra trait boon
37:58 <Ulzef> nah have no idea where it disappeared to 
38:51 <Ulzef> i had a bunch of boons together cause was gonna put them on my next character and have no idea were they all went
39:04 <Avatar> not good to lose
39:10 <Ulzef> yeah
39:19 <Avatar> in fact that is the polite way of putting it
39:23 <Avatar> I would be shitting myself
39:30 <Ulzef> yup
40:09 <Ulzef> prob is atm my stuff is all over the house so waiting for it to come together then search better
40:16 <Avatar> I am a bit worried I will lose this beginner box one that I just got from ashley
41:32 <Brunius> the raise dead one
41:40 <Avatar> yeah
41:43 <Ulzef> yeah that would be horrid with how much you die
41:59 <Avatar> I don't die that much
42:05 <Brunius> You reckon?
42:23 <Avatar> the first character died in his second game, in darkest bloody vengeance
42:34 <Avatar> the second character died after an outsider dog ate me when he never gets hungry
42:47 <Avatar> the third character died to tactics that weren't meant to be employed in that encounter
43:07 <Brunius> How do you know of these tactics
43:18 <Avatar> because usually horses don't go through trees
43:28 <Brunius> Was that one that Mort- ran?
43:32 <Avatar> yeah
43:48 <Nekhet> I don't know much about pipe smoking though i have tasted a few rather interesting blends
43:52 <Brunius> I remember something about Mort- charging stuff through trees/difficult terrain
44:50 <Nekhet> Large mounts are so problematic
45:18 <Nekhet> Usually the only viable combo is a halfling/gnome on a dog :D
45:39 <Brunius> Ballig ran that, and he still complains
46:09 <Nekhet> I had a pretty fun halfling cavalier at some point
46:28 <Nekhet> Lance crits on a charge = win
47:08 <Steven> well i know i enjoy it
47:40 <Steven> used to enjoy it more often, but my athsma prohibits me from smoking very often
47:54 <Steven> plus i lost my tamper and just bought a new one today
48:12 <Ballig> who still complains about what
48:25 <Brunius> Bobbob
48:29 <Brunius> You
48:29 <Ballig> what
48:36 <Ballig> ran what
48:37 <Ballig> complains about what
48:39 <Brunius> What
48:53 <Brunius> A halfing on a medium mount
49:02 <Brunius> Isn't Bobbob a halfling?
49:03 <Ballig> I have a gnome on a medium mount
49:06 <Ballig> what did I complain about
49:15 <Brunius> Charge lines and such in dungeons
49:24 <Nekhet> I generally don't smoke tobacco but i'll make an exception for an occasional pipe or cigar
49:26 <Ballig> yeah it makes it really hard to play a character that relies on charge
49:28 <Ballig> I don't really recommend it
50:18 <Avatar> do you not really recommend it
50:21 <Avatar> or do you really not recommend it
50:45 <Ulzef> Avatar: is it only RIch text format that the site can use
50:47 <Ballig> not really recommend it
51:03 <Avatar> plain text
51:34 <Avatar> you can use the proper character sheet format if you want, and it can convert that into text as well
51:53 <Avatar> you just don't get to put in all sorts of custom detail that way
52:05 NiceHouseDesign_com ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
52:21 <Avatar> just make sure you hit save
52:57 <Brunius> That's a sizeable list of channels, considering he's using mIRC
54:48 Sutekh has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Ulzef has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Tashes_ has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Nekhet has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Ziria has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Brunius-- has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 ChanOP has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 NiceHouseDesign_com has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 diebot has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 hX8 has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Forevernade has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 kapow_znc has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Steven has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 MekkisScreen has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Ziria- has quit (*.net *.split)
54:49 Ballig has quit (*.net *.split)
54:54 hX8 ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 MekkisScreen ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Ulzef ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Steven ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 kapow_znc ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Brunius-- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Ziria ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 diebot ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Ziria- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Sutekh ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Nekhet ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 ChanOP ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Tashes_ ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 NiceHouseDesign_com ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Ballig ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 Forevernade ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
54:54 waia.wa.au.austnet.org gives channel half-operator status to diebot
54:54 waia.wa.au.austnet.org gives channel operator status to ChanOP
55:00 <Brunius> Good ol
55:04 <Brunius> ' austnet
58:24 <Ulzef> eh will just do it the ole fashioned way cause the export to text looks horrid
58:38 Tashes_ has quit (EOF from client)
59:26 <Avatar> herolabs or the site?
59:34 <Ulzef> herolabs
59:38 <Avatar> yeap
03:27 <Avatar> ulzef: did you know there's a feat to do extra damage to slavers
04:43 <Avatar> mekkis are you about
04:44 <Ulzef> ummmm hopefully no mod writers think of taking it
04:56 <Avatar> yeah I know that would be a problem
05:11 <Brunius> specifically to slavers?
05:14 <Brunius> That seems a little odd
05:55 <Avatar> it's from the andoran book
06:54 <Ulzef> eh andorans are all out to get me anyway
07:12 <Ulzef> and i cant think of any mods that they are the bad guys in
07:23 <Avatar> aren't they all the bad guys to you
07:40 <Ulzef> yeah they cut into my profit margines
07:57 <Ulzef> and its more that i am the bad guy to all of them so they are out to get me
08:00 <Brunius> Running away with wagons full of gold, do you really care?
08:10 <Sutekh> quick Question: Does Pathfinder generally followed the D&D 3.5 standard when it comes to expanding threat ranges? Ie .. you dont unless it says you can?
08:13 <Avatar> true dat
09:23 <Nekhet> heh heh, Andorans
09:52 <Nekhet> They figured out how to run an economy without slaves and now they're out to destroy everyone else's
10:05 <Brunius> I don't think that's quite how it works
10:30 <Ulzef> prffft they dont have a economy people starve and die in there streets "but at least they die free"
11:19 <Nekhet> Sure they have an economy, it's just that not all of them benefit from it :P
12:49 <Nekhet> Besides, slavery is so inefficient. You have to actually invest in buying someone, and then you have to worry about them dying or running on you. Why not just hire people for a fraction of the cost, and their survival is their own damn problem?
14:30 ForevernadeAFK ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
14:39 <Ulzef> cause i teach my slaves not to run, cause they dont want me to have to find them.
14:57 * Nekhet chuckles
15:17 <Nekhet> Yeah, the art of motivation is an intricate one.
16:34 <Nekhet> But still, it's way cheaper getting people to get hungry enough so that they'll work for a very small wage, and whenever they drop dead you can just hire new ones. Slaves, you actually have to ind of maintain.
17:08 <Nekhet> Which is not to say slavery isn't a lot more fun :P
18:10 <Ulzef> eh i get 100+% mark up anyway aspis attack you knock em out crate em up and sell them
18:33 Forevernade has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
21:02 <Nekhet> you can usually get 75g a head which is much better than any other common goods :D
23:17 <Ulzef> :( to bad society doesnt factor that in.
28:49 <Brunius> Ugh, I have to yell at people this year
28:59 <Brunius> two years ago I couldn't stand up in front of a class without hyperventilating
29:17 <Brunius> And now they want me to yell at 60 kids to keep them in line
29:20 <Brunius> What is this
35:51 <Avatar> why do you hyperventilate
43:57 <Ulzef> man all this converting from herolab to sheet reminds me why i use herolab/PDF because i am horribly lazy
45:11 <Mekkis> Sutekh, there's nothing... that specifically states it in a general case
46:30 <Mekkis> oh wow
47:13 <Mekkis> I can upgrade Deceased's headband to +4
49:07 <Avatar> the trick is to not use herolab
50:13 <Avatar> one down, two to go: http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=413
51:42 <Ulzef> it worth putting my lvl 12 characters on or ones i dont really play?
54:05 <Avatar> up to you
54:19 <Avatar> we'll probably play high end modules down the track
54:31 <Avatar> a lot of us in the 7-11 tier now
54:39 <Ulzef> in the middle of doing ulzef who is a 8 
55:16 <Avatar> I should've talked andrei into playing portal of the sacred rune online
55:35 <Avatar> would've been much easier to run
58:19 <Ulzef> ewwww 2 bards is gonna be harsh
02:44 <Ulzef> least atm we are looking like low tier
04:11 NiceHouseDesign_com has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
04:58 <Brunius> Avatar: Not any more
06:43 <Avatar> what was the story
06:54 <Avatar> we knew you two years ago
13:26 Sutekh has quit (Quit: Leaving)
27:08 <Avatar> hmmmm
27:20 <Avatar> think I forgot to add on blood under absalom gp
27:31 <Avatar> how many months to years ago did we play that
28:04 <Ulzef> arc 2012 i beleave
28:46 <Brunius> yeah
28:53 <Brunius> So almost exactly a year
33:23 <Ballig> I once worked with a woman whose pet peeve was the phrase "almost exactly"
33:37 <Ballig> "it's either exactly or not! it can't be ALMOST EXACTLY!"
34:01 <Ballig> I never argued it with her, but I feel that "almost exactly" fairly well highlights the fact that even though it's not exact, it's significant enough that it's close to it
34:24 <Brunius> Stab her
34:35 <Ballig> I haven't seen her in 6+ years
36:24 <Brunius> That's like, a third of my life
36:32 <Brunius> probably closer to half
36:59 <Ballig> what grade were you in 6 years ago
38:04 <Brunius> 5
44:42 <Nekhet> Oh you're a young 'un :D
44:55 <Nekhet> <-- 26
45:50 <Nekhet> Roleplaying since... Like 13
45:52 <Nekhet> half my life
46:45 <Avatar> I'm 30
46:49 <Avatar> that would make you the young 'un
47:09 <Nekhet> Yay i'm not the oldest!
48:31 <Brunius> I'm 16 now, 13 when I first came in here
49:03 <Brunius> Pulled the AD&D PHB off the shelf when I was 9, and started reading at random
50:44 <Avatar> can you sell armor and weapon enchantments
53:17 <Brunius> just the enchantments? I don't think so
53:51 <Avatar> if you can buy upgrades I don't see why you can't sell as downgrades
54:18 <Avatar> I've got an effective +4 weapon now
54:28 <Avatar> and can afford to make it an effective +5
54:41 <Brunius> How about because the rules don't say you can
54:58 <Brunius> They specifically say you can upgrade, contrary to the normal pathfinder rules
55:27 <Avatar> maybe nobody thought of saying it explicitly
55:46 <Avatar> it would come under the same rule of buying at the enchantment difference price, selling at half of that
56:08 <Brunius> Well until you find a ruling, I won't be ruling it like that
56:23 <Brunius> If I find a sheet like that in an audit, there will be Trouble
58:39 <Avatar> but if it's legal then you'll be in trouble, so there
01:08 <Avatar> all of the headbands are really shit except for the obvious ones to buy
13:47 <Nekhet> Headbands sound so goofy.
17:52 <Nekhet> There's no way you can be non-goofy with a headband on unless you're a monk.
17:59 <Nekhet> Or maybe a sorcerer.
30:09 ITaL^GuY ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
30:18 ITaL^GuY ([email protected]) has left #d&d
47:31 ForevernadeAFK has quit (Connection closed)
58:03 Brunius-- has quit (Ping timeout: 121 seconds)
58:47 Brunius- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
05:04 Sachiru ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
34:20 <Mekkis> Ulzef: I believe herolab has an option to export as BBCode. That's what Darkwhite did. Then you just save to a notepad document, and upload it
58:41 <Steven> hey guys
Search this day's buffer: