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00:15 <Mekkis> the internet is more than just TCP and UDP
01:46 <Steven> could probably never get a scry off on the paracountess
01:55 <Mekkis> why not?
02:01 <Mekkis> she's just an ari4/bard8
02:31 <Steven> whos the leader of a factin
02:37 <Mekkis> so?
02:46 <Mekkis> anyway, Deceased did it once before
03:20 <Steven> then your gm didnt play it right.
03:38 <Mekkis> does it actually say that you can't scry on the paracountess?
03:54 <Steven> they are the faction leader of the Chelaxian faction
04:02 <Mekkis> and?
04:13 <Wrothmonk> what other ports can I use with devCA? I'd prefer to have as few pots forwarded as possible and I'm using a few others.
04:25 <Steven> tons of money and power.  she probably has a nondetection cast on her.
04:44 <Mekkis> last I checked, nondetection wasn't foolprrof
04:51 <Mekkis> !spell nondetection
04:54 <diebot> Mekkis, NONDETECTION abjuration ([]) ranger 4, sorcerer/wizard 3, alchemist 3, summoner 3, inquisitor 3, antipaladin 3 1 standard action Range: touch creature or object touched Comp: V, S, M (diamond dust worth 50 gp) Duration: 1 hour/level Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless, object)
04:54 <diebot> The warded creature or object becomes difficult to detect by divination spells such as clairaudience/clairvoyance, locate object, and detect spells. Nondetection also prevents location by such magic items as crystal balls. If a divination is attempted against the warded creature or item, the caster of the divination must succeed on a caster level
04:54 <diebot> check (1d20 + caster level) against a DC of 11 + the caster level of the spellcaster who cast nondetection. If you cast nondetection on yourself or on an item currently in your possession, the DC is 15 + your caster level. If cast on a creature, nondetection wards the creature's gear as well as the creature itself.
04:59 <Mekkis> any, as long as you open it in your firewall and tell everyone
05:39 <Wrothmonk> Ah cool.
06:20 <Steven> shes entrusted with many secrets from the decemverate, which is why you are sent in to rescue her, they wouldnt like people being able to spy on her
06:54 <Mekkis> so when you're trying to rescue her, scrying on her to see what situation she's in isn't a good idea?
07:12 <Steven> probably couldnt
08:04 <Steven> the person who sent her to prison probably took precautions to ensure it would be more difficult to find her
08:27 <Mekkis> he should have taken precautions that stopped him falling in an acid pit
08:52 <Wrothmonk> Whoops… I think I may have just disable internet for everyone on my router for a minute there :P
08:56 <Steven> fo sho
09:15 <Mekkis> (anyway, that wasn't when it worked)
09:22 <Mekkis> I can still hear you
09:23 <Mekkis> ended up just using Commune
10:00 <Wrothmonk> Yeah it was for like a second. Not long enough to register in IRC but long enough that nobody could pull up a page.
10:42 <Wrothmonk> looks like the router needs to pause when applying the port forwarding.
10:55 <Mekkis> ag
10:56 <Mekkis> ah
12:27 <Mort-> Gosh i should take a bath
12:29 <Mort-> I stink
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12:58 <horsehead> yo yo yo
13:03 <Mekkis> yo
13:05 <horsehead> its dat time again
13:08 <Mekkis> oh
13:10 <Mekkis> it is!
13:12 <horsehead> dddddddddddddd n ddddddddddddddddddddddddd
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13:36 <horsehead> dy
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13:40 <horsehead> ba
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13:47 <horsehead> m ite
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13:55 <horsehead> mf
13:56 <Mort-> Good one mek
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14:00 <horsehead> dddd
14:01 <Mort-> How did you manage it
14:02 <horsehead> dddddddddddddddddddddddd
14:04 <horsehead>  nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]
14:05 <horsehead> ddddddddddddddddddddd
14:07 * diebot sets ban on horsehead@*!*
14:08 diebot has kicked horsehead from #d&d (diebot)
14:42 * diebot sets ban on *@*!c7d4ee30.bigpond.net.au
14:44 <Ulzef> woot for diebot killing dnd dude
14:56 <Mort-> How did mek do it!
15:00 <Mort-> Amazing
15:06 <Mekkis> I knew that the DO command was a good thing to put in
15:17 <Mort-> How does it work
15:20 <Mort-> Based on?
15:32 <Mort-> Repititive speech?
15:38 <Mekkis> no
15:41 <Mekkis> not yet
15:51 <Mort-> How to trigger it
15:55 <Mort-> In case you're not around
16:05 <Mekkis> that was actually manual
16:21 <Mort-> What's the command word
16:26 <Mekkis> start by having the nick Mekkis
16:31 <Mort-> You can't be camping here all day long mek...
16:34 <Mort-> Daym
16:59 <Mort-> So none of us can trigger that ban? :(
17:07 <Mekkis> and having the hostname 6a79c133.ti4200.info
17:18 <Mekkis> then send raw IRC commands to diebot
17:24 <Mort-> Mek. That's great. But you have to work too
17:25 <Mekkis> and diebot will execute them
17:33 <Mort-> You can't be keeping an eye here all the time
17:34 <Mekkis> but the thing is. I don't have ops
17:38 <Mekkis> and I can't give diebot ops
17:39 <Mort-> Yes
17:54 <Mort-> Can you give the command to be sent to diebot?
17:57 <Mort-> By anyone?
17:59 <Mekkis> and if I modify diebot, I need to shutdown diebot
18:08 <Mekkis> when diebot reconnects, it won't have +h
18:14 <Mekkis> and won't be able to kick or ban
18:27 <Mort-> Oh so need wait for ballig/avatar
18:27 <Mort-> Ok
18:34 <Mort-> Fair enough
18:37 <Mekkis> /msg diebot %do KICK #d&d horsehead 
18:42 <Mekkis> that's what I typed
18:46 <Mort-> Ah k
18:56 <Mort-> But it activates on your address only
19:04 <Mekkis> yeah
19:40 <Mort-> But to be honest mekkis. Even if i could ban people i would do to only people who deserve it
19:52 <Mort-> And i mean not everyone who just irritates me
19:53 <Mekkis> yeah, but I can't make that decision
20:01 <Mort-> True
20:05 <Mort-> When you can.
20:10 <Brunius> Turns out x-chat doesn't like my using the gui to join multiple networks
20:27 <Mort-> If you don't trust me try wrothmonk
20:27 <Mekkis> then you're doing it wrong
20:31 <Mekkis> I'm not having issues
20:32 <Mort-> Extra pair of eyes never hurt
20:37 <Mekkis> I doubt I ever will. Even if someone decided to give me ops tomorrow, I wouldn't give it to anyone else...
20:53 <Mekkis> it's not my place to
20:56 <Mort-> You don't trust me?
21:06 <Mort-> This doesn't really make sense
21:13 <Steven> back again
21:19 <Mekkis> it should
21:21 <Mort-> Shouldn't more people be allowed to boot weird people out?
21:33 <Mort-> we had to deal with noise pollution this morning
21:37 <Mekkis> sure
21:54 <Mekkis> until a "weird person" gets the ability to boot weird people out
21:59 <Mort-> With more people on patrol we don't have to deal with noise pollution
22:09 <Mort-> Fine if you think me weird
22:18 <Steven> totes weird
22:19 <Mort-> Get wrothmonk to do it
22:25 <Mort-> He seems stable enough
22:40 <Mekkis> more to the point, if I put that sort of thing into diebot, I'd need to know how to identify that it was YOU, not someone who could type /nick Mort- 
22:41 <Mort-> Bru would be too. So would hydra
22:54 <Mort-> Ah so i need to register nick
23:11 <Mort-> I get the point. So give it to wrothmonk! :d
23:36 * Mort- grins
24:06 <Mekkis> no...
24:07 <Steven> i dont think we need any more mods
24:16 <Mekkis> how can I even tell if someone's registered?
24:32 <Mort-> You can when i can't pm them
24:38 <Mort-> Hydra is registered
24:40 <Mekkis> Steven, are you registered at the moment?
24:45 <Mort-> I can't pm people who are registered
24:57 <Mekkis> I'm registered
24:59 <Steven> i dont remember
25:01 <Mekkis> and you can PM me
25:16 <Mort-> That's because you set it special
25:19 <Mekkis> sure
25:20 <Steven> there, i identified
25:34 <Mekkis> sure
25:37 <Mort-> Steven is registered
25:40 <Mort-> I can't bite him
25:45 <Mekkis> so now if I /whois Steven, it says he's registered
25:49 <Steven> you cant bite me anyways
25:57 <Mort-> I'm a register detector
26:16 <Mekkis> but DIEBOT isn't able to tell that, without issuing a whois
26:26 <Mekkis> which would be really difficult to write
26:30 <Mort-> You know we are registered
26:30 <Mekkis> are you, by any chance, double-NATTed Brunius?
26:36 <Brunius> Meaning?
26:41 <Mekkis> diebot doesn't
26:42 <Mort-> So just give to who you know is registered
26:50 <Mekkis> ok
26:57 <Mort-> Enable specific names?
26:58 <Brunius> I don't know if my ISP uses CGN
27:02 <Mekkis> behind two home routers
27:05 <Mekkis> how does that help
27:09 <Brunius> I'm not behind two home routers
27:24 <Mort-> Because those people are registered
27:25 <Mekkis> doesn't stop someone from typing /nick Wrothmonk while he's not in
27:33 <Wrothmonk> See?
27:38 <Mekkis> ah
27:41 <Wrothmonk> I can say stuff too!
27:41 <Mekkis> good
27:44 <Mort-> They should prompt you
27:49 <Wrothmonk> how so?
27:54 <Mort-> To switch back
28:02 <Wrothmonk> how can diebot tell that I'm not Wrothmonk?
28:02 <Brunius> Why?
28:06 <Mort-> Hm my experience with irc servers
28:07 <Mort-> Others
28:12 <Wrothmonk> sure
28:15 <Mekkis> it might explain that
28:20 <Wrothmonk> nickop might get annoyed at me
28:24 <Mort-> You have to /msg nickserv identify x
28:25 <Wrothmonk> and prompt me to switch
28:31 <Mort-> Else you should revert
28:33 <Brunius> X-chat crashing all over the place?
28:42 <Wrothmonk> BUT it'd still let me type !ban Mort- if I wanted to
28:44 <Mort-> Why aren't you reverting
28:44 <Mekkis> not crashing
28:53 Mort- is now known as Mekkis
28:55 <Wrothmonk> in the few minutes it gave me
28:58 * Mekkis giggles
29:10 Mekkis has quit (austnet.org!NickOP (Kill requested by Wrothmonk))
29:21 Mort- ([email protected]) has joined #d&d
29:22 <Mekkis> Sure, so if I'm around, I could do that
29:26 <Mort-> Hagpa
29:32 <Mort-> That was funny
29:37 <Mekkis> but if I'm not, there's nothing I could do
29:43 <Mort-> I wonder how long i could have stayed there
29:43 <Mekkis> to stop someone banning people
29:51 <Mort-> But yes you proved your point to me
29:55 <Mort-> i get it mek
30:09 <Mort-> I thought the switch would be instantaneous
30:27 <Mort-> Because some other irc server you would get boot straight
30:32 <Mekkis> and as I see it, your hostname keeps changing
31:01 <Mort->  Him
31:03 <Mort-> Hm
31:18 <Mort-> K really due a bath
31:21 <Mekkis> type %info
33:43 <Steven> well, im goin to nap.
33:50 <Mekkis> 	def is_it_mekkis(msg)
33:50 <Mekkis> 		return msg.name == "Mekkis" && (msg.hostname =~ /ti4200.info$/ || msg.hostname =~ /109.235./ || msg.hostname =~ /4a7ytfhd3b7f3.8secjg.28spa0.2a000dd0.ipv6/ || msg.hostname =~ /2a00:dd0:0:15:80a6:4fff:fec7:d456/ ) 
33:50 <Mekkis> 	end
34:19 <Mekkis> (in case you wanted to try and impersonate me
34:43 <Mekkis> %info
35:16 Topic for #d&d is: PFS: Sun 10th 11am (tier 1-7,Mekkis) / Sat 16th 11am (tier 1-5,Wrothmonk) | WotW: Sat 9th 2pm || All topic times are AEDT (UTC+11:00); set up your timezone on the site for local times in the Schedule! | D&D and Pathfinder Online http://www.pfrpg.com.au
35:16 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Mar  3 22:07:37 2013
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51:34 <Mort-> :p
51:45 <Mort-> It was a good joke
51:49 <Mekkis> what?
51:54 <Mekkis> /nick Mekkis?
53:55 <Mort-> Yes
53:59 <Mort-> :d
54:10 <Mekkis> how many other people did you PM?
54:21 <Mort-> No one at all
54:28 <Mort-> I just talk shop in channel
54:34 <Mort-> I really wouldn't mek
54:39 <Mekkis> I trust you
54:42 * Mort- ears flatten
54:49 <Mekkis> but you see the issue
54:54 <Mort-> Yes
55:02 <Mekkis> diebot CAN'T trust based solely on nick
55:07 <Mort-> The other irc channel i was in you couldn't take the name
55:17 <Mort-> Unless you typedd pass word
55:18 <Mekkis> server, you mean
55:23 <Mort-> Yeah
55:30 <Mort-> That was different server
55:45 <Mort-> Lots of people impersonated me for a joke though
55:59 <Mort-> And we all had a good laugh over it
56:21 <Mort-> Or id have thrown soap at them for their dirty minds.
56:26 <Mort-> Had they been in range
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13:42 <Avatar> yo sup
15:13 <Mekkis> sup
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46:18 <Avatar> oh shit, way of the wicked is this weekend
46:30 <Avatar> I thought it was next weekend
46:45 <Avatar> before the change I guess
49:53 <Mekkis> Avatar, ChrisM wanted to sign up for the game on the 16th
50:01 <Mekkis> but the site didn't let him
50:14 <Avatar> is he a newbie
50:17 <Mekkis> yes
50:22 <Avatar> sec
50:28 <Avatar> newbies dont' get auto-invited
50:34 <Mekkis> just after midnight your time
50:41 <Mekkis> any reason why not?
50:51 <Avatar> in case you don't want more people
50:54 <Avatar> or certain people
51:10 <Avatar> there's just never been a good solution for it
52:29 <Avatar> man, so many new people
52:36 <Avatar> about 10 since I last checked
54:11 <Mekkis> also: if you want me to run Devil We Know 2, could you put me as GM on the site?
54:18 <Ballig> it's because the system isn't necessarily JUST for PFS
54:31 <Ballig> although I am thinking of adding an option that can be set for games to auto-invite new people
54:44 <Ballig> but as an example, you don't want all new people invited to WotW
54:50 <Mekkis> that would be good. It seems a bit off-putting
55:00 <Mekkis> s/all/any/
55:21 <Mekkis> it is a literal bitch to introduce new characters
56:03 <Avatar> okay all the newbies have been invited to both games
56:11 <Avatar> arg woops
57:04 <Avatar> kapow will play if the table is able to play otherwise he will pass
57:17 <Mekkis> I can read his comments too :)
57:17 <Ballig> what does that mean
57:18 <Avatar> oh wait, if it has 2 he means
57:28 <Avatar> and adding him in makes it a table
57:44 <Avatar> that's not what it sounded like at first
58:06 <Avatar> Mekkis: you're the listed GM now
58:11 <Mekkis> thanks
58:14 <Avatar> hassle me about that if you see that kind of thing
58:18 <Avatar> it's an instant fix
58:28 <Mekkis> will do
58:38 <Mekkis> which easter con should I go to?
58:44 <Ballig> all of them
59:23 <Brunius> Which one will M. Brock be at
59:31 <Mekkis> the Sydney one
59:37 <Brunius> Go to the Sydney one
59:56 <Avatar> find out what kind of beer he likes first
59:58 <Ballig> isn't he going to a few cons around Australia
00:08 <Avatar> if he learns who I am he will give me the evil eye
00:11 <Mekkis> he's going to Melbourne the previous week
00:13 <Brunius> ha
00:14 <Brunius> why
00:23 <Avatar> I always argue 
00:29 <Mekkis> because Avatar flamed his policy on rebuilds
00:36 <Brunius> New mission: Make Avatar meet M. Brock
00:37 <Ballig> that's true, he does always argue
00:39 <Avatar> that is only one of many examples
00:46 <Mekkis> I'm actually very surprised you had that opinion, Avatar...
00:52 <Brunius> Avatar: Have I missed a bunch of PFS invites, or are they not going out by email any more?
00:54 <Ballig> what was your opinion Avatar?
01:02 <Brunius> For the melbourne guys?
01:05 <Avatar> rebuilds should be more allowable rather than superstrict
01:24 <Ballig> what's your definition of more allowable
01:25 <Avatar> honest mistakes happen and RAW they're not fixable
01:38 <Avatar> especially where lax rule clarifications are concerned
01:55 <Ballig> you mean where someone takes X feat because they think it does Y, but it turns out to do Z, and they can't replace the feat?
02:12 <Avatar> I don't think we need to define it that hard 
02:16 <Avatar> the whole thing is honour system
02:27 <Avatar> if it's something that wasn't intended, let them fix it
02:32 <Ballig> but is that an example of the kind of mistake and rebuild you're talking about
02:40 <Avatar> yeah that's an example
02:47 <Mekkis> Especially as your reaction on August 7th, when hearing that Synthesists were banned was:
02:50 <Mekkis> Aug 07 19:19:10 <Avatar>        ROFL synthesists don't get to change their ability scores!
02:56 <Avatar> but that was funny
03:02 <Ballig> yeah that was funny
03:07 <Avatar> note my ROFL
03:08 <Brunius> yeah that was funy
03:16 <Brunius> ugh, missing an n?
03:19 <Brunius> How could you Brunius
03:24 <Ballig> I'm not a ROFLer, but I contemplated ROFLing on that occasion
03:24 <Brunius> I know, I feel so ashamed
03:32 <Avatar> it was quite ROFLable
04:15 <Ballig> mostly because it only screws over people who were taking disgusting advantage of synthesist stat system
04:25 <Avatar> completely because
04:29 <Ballig> anyone else would be able to find a workable idea for their character
04:30 <Mekkis> I agree with you, Avatar. It seems that Steven hasn't realised what it means to be a VO...
04:40 <Avatar> you were munchkinning and now you're screwed? lollll
04:47 <Avatar> those kinds of things just don't happen in real life
05:03 <Mekkis> "You're a volunteer for the Paizo marketing department"
05:09 <Avatar> ryank actually thinks quite similarly
05:32 <Avatar> he seems to be much tougher on the rules compared to darkwhite or alistair
05:44 <Brunius> Yeah
06:10 <Avatar> not sure why that is, some sort of thing that happens to VLs
06:31 <Mekkis> because VCs are appointed because of their organisational skills
06:43 <Mekkis> then they appoint VLs because of their rules knowledge
06:58 <Avatar> makes sense
06:58 <Mekkis> (at least, that's what it seems to be like)
07:22 <Avatar> I can see brock's point of view too, it's not something you can take lightly to say let's allow rebuilds willy nilly
07:30 <Avatar> that would greatly change PFS
07:44 <Ballig> it would be good to have an official system for it though
07:47 <Mekkis> sure, but you still shouldn't treat your customers as cheats
07:54 <Ballig> right now if someone desperately wants to change something, their only option is to defraud their character sheet
08:24 <Avatar> what I'm talking about is redefining what cheating is
08:42 <Avatar> he's never been as open minded as he was in that thread
09:05 <Avatar> he sort of came into it saying okay let's have a chat about why these things we've been talking about for a while should be banned or not
09:11 <Avatar> that's unheard of
11:23 <Ballig> unHEARD of
12:01 <Brunius> what about unREAD of
14:11 <Mekkis> he more came into it saying, "Here we go again..."
14:32 <Mekkis> then someone actually consolidated all the arguments that have been made for the last three years
14:50 <Brunius> How much am I missing out on by not reading the messageboards
15:00 <Mekkis> a bit.
15:16 <Mekkis> Ah, it's our Volunteer for the Paizo Marketing Department!
15:33 <Avatar> I'm all over the messageboards these days
17:39 <Mekkis> but I think the attitude of assuming players are cheaters is a bad one
19:27 <Ballig> it's more likely that they're taking the position that if people CAN cheat, enough of them WILL to make a significant impact on the game for everyone else
19:39 <Ballig> it's no different to an MMORPG implementing anti-cheat systems
20:00 <Ballig> sure, they should try the most inobtrusive method possible of doing it, but it doesn't mean they're assuming all their players are cheaters just because they are putting in ways to prevent it
20:40 <Mekkis> I'll bring up Magic as an example, because that's where I've got most experience with.
23:57 <Mekkis> A couple of years ago, they did a large restructure of the policy (not rules), regarding the way things were handled at regular events (that is, tournaments with no significant money prizes). The essentially removed the requirement for decklists, and removed the requirement of returning the contents of a limited deck to its original form at the beginning of each match. This policy change has probably done more to stop cheaters than any other change.
24:46 <Mekkis> Basically, focus on the fact that everyone should be having fun, and remove unenforceable restrictions that prevent this.
24:53 <Ballig> what "we'll watch you less and then you'll cheat less"?
25:15 <Ballig> by the sounds of it, it's more likely to have simply reduced the number of people being marked as cheaters, and not "stop cheaters"
25:32 <Ballig> it's like removing speed limits on roads. it doesn't reduce the number of speeders, it just prevents people from being classified as speeders
27:05 <Mekkis> sure. But if there were no risks to people driving at whatever speed they wanted to, then it'd still be a good idea.
27:34 <Mekkis> because then the cops could stop waving speed cameras and start looking for "real criminals"
27:50 <Ballig> for a lot of people, removing restrictions can make the game less fun. I can't argue the Magic scenario with you because I only played it for a few months in high school
28:04 <Ballig> but I imagine it would suck if you entered an unfair competition because people weren't restricted with what deck they could play with
29:18 <Mekkis> I do think that firstly, there should be a clearer distinction between rules and policy; and that the policy should be regularly reviewed
31:01 <Ballig> how do you define the difference between a rule and a policy?
32:42 <Mekkis> a rule is something that would be decided by development. Policy would be decided by the campaign staff.
33:21 <Mekkis> example: Bracers of Falcon's Aim cost 4000gp (rule)
33:32 <Mekkis> Bracers of Falcon's Aim are banned in PFS (policy)
33:44 <Ballig> that to me is separate as "game rules" and "organised play rules"
33:52 <Ballig> that already seems fairly well distinct to me
34:05 <Ballig> until you get vague/ambiguous game rules
34:26 <Mekkis> which unfortunately happens
35:41 <Ballig> and sure, you're better off getting those vague/ambiguous rules clarified by the developers
35:45 <Ballig> but I don't think that's very unrealistic
35:58 <Ballig> generally I feel that they mostly ignore those ambiguities for PFS
41:48 <Mekkis> the problem with rebuilds is that when there's no legal way of doing it, people will either do it illegally, be unhappy, or quit
42:13 <Ballig> yeah like I said before, it would be nice if there was a legal system for it
42:29 <Ballig> because the only option is to defraud your character sheet if you absolutely want to change something
42:45 <Mekkis> if you label those people who've been caught doing the (relatively benign) rebuilds as cheats and kick them out, then chances are they might take their friends and leave.
43:28 <Mekkis> if you don't kick them out, then they can interpret this as "don't cheat" is just a guideline, and noone cares, and it'll get worse from there
44:26 <Steven> spaghetti yummy
48:01 <Mekkis> the other thing is that the kind of rebuilds that seem to get done, are ones where an inexperienced player didn't know that  (for example) Armour doesn't stack with Mage Armor, and spends feats on Armour proficiency and Arcane Armour Training...
48:26 <Mekkis> so you end up making it harder on the new, inexperienced players
48:46 <Ballig> the problem is going to be who moderates that?
49:05 <Ballig> in a regular game you have a GM you can go to and say "Look, I didn't know X Y Z so I did A B C, can I undo that?" and he can make a judgement call
49:16 <Ballig> but when you're dealing with thousands of people across the world, who makes those judgement calls
49:35 <Mekkis> I'd be fine with letting table GMs do it
49:46 <Mekkis> or any VO
49:52 <Ballig> even table GMs don't necessarily know the person involved
49:52 <Ballig> or VOs
50:22 <Ballig> and who polices the police? how do you know someone doesn't just GM a game so they can change their friends' characters?
51:00 <Mekkis> Gamers Gonna Game (the system)
51:03 <Ballig> although you can't assume that everyone would do that, you have to allow for the possibility that people will
51:06 <Brunius> Well how do you know people don't just hand-wave that stuff in games anyway
51:25 <Ballig> so you need to come up with a reliable system to minimise it
51:29 <Ballig> right now that system is "no rebuilds"
51:35 <Ballig> which I don't think is what we need
51:42 <Ballig> but we need something between "no rebuilds" and "rebuilds for everyone"
53:06 <Mekkis> what's 190°F in Celcius?
53:21 <Brunius> ~90
54:01 <Steven> there is something between no rebuilds and rebuilds for everyone
54:48 <Steven> its called you are allowed a one time rebuild when leveling up from level 1 to level 2
54:55 <Mekkis> rebuilds if you've got the foresight to take levels in a class that gets banned
55:15 <Ballig> those are outlying cases
55:27 <Ballig> rebuilds at level 1 serve a specific purpose of helping new people figure out what kind of character they want to play
55:37 <Ballig> they don't really help people who didn't understand the rules once they're level 3
56:05 <Brunius> Oh, next time you see a hilariously overpowered class that will probably get banned, tell me?
56:25 <Mekkis> ok, Brunius 
56:30 <Ballig> magus
56:38 <Avatar> yeah magus
56:40 <Avatar> 30d6
56:44 <Brunius>  Not as widespread as synthesists were
56:53 <Ballig> they're becoming more widespread
56:56 <Ballig> now that synthesists are banned
57:01 <Mekkis> Brunius, protip: take a level in the class between unofficial announcement and official announcement
57:04 <Mekkis> no-risk!
57:09 <Avatar> synthests have been banned for quite some time now
57:14 <Brunius> unofficial announcement?
57:17 <Mekkis> yeah
57:22 <Mekkis> someone posting on the forum
57:30 <Mekkis> or in the blog
57:39 <Mekkis> there's usually a small window
57:43 <Avatar> that kind of thinking is the reason brock won't allow free rebuilds
57:55 <Brunius> >Kaleb
59:12 <Mekkis> what about a con boon, to be given out by the organiser of a con, if the organiser has witnessed such a character and believes that the character should be rebuilt?
59:31 <Mekkis> as in, don't randomly award it
00:51 <Mekkis> give it to three-star+ GMs and VOs
01:58 <Mekkis> if you want to police it, require them to give a writeup as to why
02:16 <Mekkis> that should be enough to dissuade people from handing them out willy-nilly
02:17 <Ballig> three-star+ GMs/VOs could work
02:27 <Ballig> they could lose their status as a GM or VO if they're found to be abusing it
02:32 <Steven> if you GM at gencon you can get a rebuild
02:45 <Brunius> Yeah, that's a little out of reach for most players
03:04 <Ballig> especially the newbies that we're talking about requiring a rebuild because of a lack of understanding of the rules :p
03:13 <Mekkis> Steven, so they're giving out rebuilds to the people who need it least :)
03:26 <Ballig> "Oh! You're GMing at gencon?" "Yeah, I didn't know that Armour doesn't stack with Mage Armour. So I'm GMing to rebuild my wizard."
04:19 <Steven> no they are giving rebuilds to people who deserve it for their hard work and commitment to pathfinder
04:21 <Mekkis> or maybe they're going the MTG method of compensating judges
04:38 <Mekkis> (give them stuff that they can later turn into cash)
05:03 <Brunius> >implying those that don't go to gencon don't work hard for pathfinder
06:41 <Mekkis> I can understand that: give them a boon that's in really high demand, and let ebay take care of the rest
07:02 <Steven> implying those who go to gencon have the same didication followed by the willingness to spend lots of money to go to a con.
07:23 <Mekkis> http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=judge+foil+karakas&LH_PrefLoc=2&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3Djudge%2Bfoil%2Bkarakas%26_arr%3D1
07:35 <Steven> if people want to sell the boon thats their business, i know i wont be selling mine.
08:21 <Brunius> huh, judge foil vendilion cliques are worth ~70
12:18 <Mekkis> Sure, but it is discriminatory, and it doesn't address the problem.
14:14 <Steven> its not discriminatory go to cons, you have the same chance.
15:23 <Mekkis> well no, I don't.
15:52 <Mekkis> If I wanted to go to gencon, I'd need to spend at least 1.5k on travel
18:28 <Mekkis> (the problem being, a new player took an option, it didn't work they expected, and is unable to change it)
18:34 <Steven> yes, you do, you have the same opportunity to spend money and go to a con just like me.
18:37 <Mekkis> (without defrauding the system)
18:55 <Steven> sounds like a learning experience
19:50 <Mekkis> Sure. "Looks like your character concept won't work. You should throw away that 100 hours you spent getting him to level five, and start again."
20:54 <Steven> Hey i have a level 12 that has a dead feat because i built him wrong.
23:48 <Mekkis> I've seen how you build characters
24:08 <Mekkis> it's the difference between "suboptimal" and "practically useless"
27:41 <Steven> I give the charactes that are really broken away to friends.
35:18 <Steven> the only one i kept was honey, because she only keeps people alive rather than kills the peoples.
35:58 <Mekkis> is there much VO discussion on rebuilds?
36:29 <Mekkis> or is the volume of messages under NDA?
37:34 <Steven> shes killed a total of like 11 creatures, 3 of which were harpies and 8 giants
42:40 <Steven> theres nothing ic an tell ya about rebuilds
58:10 <Steven> Mekkis, so far all the VOs agree Blood Money+Raise dead is a no go due to its longer than one round casting time.
58:20 <Steven> just thought i should mention that to ya.
58:49 <Mekkis> isn't that rules, not policy? :P
58:59 <Mekkis> but thanks for the heads up
59:44 <Steven> so i ran the first session of Rise of the Runelords.
00:00 <Mekkis> no spoilers please
00:22 <Mekkis> how did it go?
00:34 <Steven> so far they have a small boy that follows the pyromancer around who shows some magical aptitude.
01:07 <Steven> and we had a ton of laughs
02:07 <Steven> i gave the little boy a sob story about how his parents were killed by goblins several years back.
02:26 <Steven> and the characters were like yeah you can hang out with us.
02:37 <Steven> he did 1 point of fire damage during combat.
03:18 <Mekkis> did you tie it into We Be Goblins?
03:26 <Steven> nope
04:33 <Steven> in the party, we have Gregory Cleric of Eristil and all around strong jawed hero, raised upon his fathers stories of high adventure
05:40 <Steven> Jane... or maybe it was jill, i dont remember which, Catfolk Fighter who so far has claimed everyone in the party as her personal property... they are not aware of this fact yet.
07:30 <Steven1> We have a Pyromancer elf who has found an apprentice in a small orphaned townboy who also has a fondness for fire.
07:51 <Steven1> i honestly dont remember his name
08:47 <Mekkis> fun
08:54 <Mekkis> how do you reconcile the catfolk
09:30 <Steven1> I have the guards follow her around town.
10:04 <Steven1> its varisia so they are somewhat used to strange people and creatures.
10:55 <Steven1> and the city venerates Desna, and surely a civilized half cat half human must be one of her children.
11:02 <Mekkis> ah
11:09 <Steven1> also the catfolk worships desna
11:20 <Steven1> so, it made it much more acceptable
11:37 <Mekkis> I'm putting a lot of faith into this receipe I found on the internet
11:51 <Steven1> dont do it, its a trap
12:07 <Mekkis> but I've already put 14 hours into it!
13:19 <Steven> thats going to get rather annoying
41:08 <Steven> alright im goin to sleep
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02:39 <Brunius-> Wroth
02:46 <Wrothmonk> Yes?
02:53 <Brunius-> Sup
03:00 <Wrothmonk> Nothing much.
04:04 <Wrothmonk> playing around with some of the save files I have for my games.
05:57 <Wrothmonk> They used to be so much more cryptic. 
30:28 <Mekkis> on the bright side, the outcome was good
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46:41 <Mort-> at least in this incarnation i didn't sell my soul
46:55 <Mort-> For morts familiar
46:57 <Mekkis> I prefer you without selling your soul
46:59 <Mort-> I'm a lemur
47:04 <Steven> also cacodaemon have immune to poison
47:08 <Mort-> I haven't sold my soul yet
47:20 <Mekkis> I suggest you get a good price
47:39 <Mort-> I sell it only when i roll a fiendish vessel
47:42 <Mort-> :)
47:53 <Mekkis> Even Deceased hasn't sold his soul
48:10 <Mort-> What did you sell lately
48:27 <Mekkis> ummm...
48:39 <Mekkis> I got a cloak with the Paracountess' blood on it
48:49 <Mort-> Blood is nice
48:53 <Mekkis> the signature of three high-ranking hellknights
48:54 <Mort-> So what else
49:03 <Mort-> That's worth selling?
49:20 <Steven> considering the kinky shit the paracountess is into
49:31 <Mekkis> a cheque for 5000gp that pays the bearer out of the Pathfinder Society's accounts
49:32 <Steven> probably lots of stuff with her blood on it.
50:09 <Mekkis> Steven, yeah, but... Deceased knows the Paracountess well, and has a body part AND an item of clothing. He can cast scrying, and record it.
50:15 <Mekkis> now THAT's worth selling!
51:23 <Mort-> Dunno
51:32 <Mekkis> that's a -19 on the will save
51:40 <Mekkis> on the DC22 will save
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54:18 <Mekkis> Deceased has been collecting body parts and signatures
02:23 <Steven> could probably never get a scry off on the paracountess
02:31 <Mekkis> why not?
02:38 <Mekkis> she's just an ari4/bard8
03:07 <Steven> whos the leader of a factin
03:14 <Mekkis> so?
03:23 <Mekkis> anyway, Deceased did it once before
03:57 <Steven> then your gm didnt play it right.
04:15 <Mekkis> does it actually say that you can't scry on the paracountess?
04:31 <Steven> they are the faction leader of the Chelaxian faction
04:39 <Mekkis> and?
05:02 <Steven> tons of money and power.  she probably has a nondetection cast on her.
05:21 <Mekkis> last I checked, nondetection wasn't foolprrof
05:28 <Mekkis> !spell nondetection
05:31 <diebot> Mekkis, NONDETECTION abjuration ([]) ranger 4, sorcerer/wizard 3, alchemist 3, summoner 3, inquisitor 3, antipaladin 3 1 standard action Range: touch creature or object touched Comp: V, S, M (diamond dust worth 50 gp) Duration: 1 hour/level Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless, object)
05:31 <diebot> The warded creature or object becomes difficult to detect by divination spells such as clairaudience/clairvoyance, locate object, and detect spells. Nondetection also prevents location by such magic items as crystal balls. If a divination is attempted against the warded creature or item, the caster of the divination must succeed on a caster level
05:31 <diebot> check (1d20 + caster level) against a DC of 11 + the caster level of the spellcaster who cast nondetection. If you cast nondetection on yourself or on an item currently in your possession, the DC is 15 + your caster level. If cast on a creature, nondetection wards the creature's gear as well as the creature itself.
06:56 <Steven> shes entrusted with many secrets from the decemverate, which is why you are sent in to rescue her, they wouldnt like people being able to spy on her
07:31 <Mekkis> so when you're trying to rescue her, scrying on her to see what situation she's in isn't a good idea?
07:48 <Steven> probably couldnt
08:41 <Steven> the person who sent her to prison probably took precautions to ensure it would be more difficult to find her
09:03 <Mekkis> he should have taken precautions that stopped him falling in an acid pit
09:33 <Steven> fo sho
09:52 <Mekkis> (anyway, that wasn't when it worked)
10:00 <Mekkis> ended up just using Commune
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13:04 <Mort-> Gosh i should take a bath
13:06 <Mort-> I stink
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13:35 <horsehead> yo yo yo
13:40 <Mekkis> yo
13:42 <horsehead> its dat time again
13:45 <Mekkis> oh
13:47 <Mekkis> it is!
13:48 <horsehead> dddddddddddddd n ddddddddddddddddddddddddd
14:12 <horsehead> dy
14:17 <horsehead> ba
14:24 <horsehead> m ite
14:31 <horsehead> mf
14:32 <Mort-> Good one mek
14:36 <horsehead> dddd
14:38 <Mort-> How did you manage it
14:38 <horsehead> dddddddddddddddddddddddd
14:41 <horsehead>  nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn]
14:42 <horsehead> ddddddddddddddddddddd
15:21 <Ulzef> woot for diebot killing dnd dude
15:32 <Mort-> How did mek do it!
15:37 <Mort-> Amazing
15:43 <Mekkis> I knew that the DO command was a good thing to put in
15:53 <Mort-> How does it work
15:56 <Mort-> Based on?
16:09 <Mort-> Repititive speech?
16:15 <Mekkis> no
16:18 <Mekkis> not yet
16:27 <Mort-> How to trigger it
16:32 <Mort-> In case you're not around
16:42 <Mekkis> that was actually manual
16:57 <Mort-> What's the command word
17:03 <Mekkis> start by having the nick Mekkis
17:08 <Mort-> You can't be camping here all day long mek...
17:11 <Mort-> Daym
17:36 <Mort-> So none of us can trigger that ban? :(
17:44 <Mekkis> and having the hostname 6a79c133.ti4200.info
17:55 <Mekkis> then send raw IRC commands to diebot
18:01 <Mort-> Mek. That's great. But you have to work too
18:02 <Mekkis> and diebot will execute them
18:10 <Mort-> You can't be keeping an eye here all the time
18:11 <Mekkis> but the thing is. I don't have ops
18:15 <Mekkis> and I can't give diebot ops
18:16 <Mort-> Yes
18:31 <Mort-> Can you give the command to be sent to diebot?
18:34 <Mort-> By anyone?
18:36 <Mekkis> and if I modify diebot, I need to shutdown diebot
18:45 <Mekkis> when diebot reconnects, it won't have +h
18:51 <Mekkis> and won't be able to kick or ban
19:03 <Mort-> Oh so need wait for ballig/avatar
19:04 <Mort-> Ok
19:10 <Mort-> Fair enough
19:14 <Mekkis> /msg diebot %do KICK #d&d horsehead 
19:19 <Mekkis> that's what I typed
19:23 <Mort-> Ah k
19:32 <Mort-> But it activates on your address only
19:41 <Mekkis> yeah
20:16 <Mort-> But to be honest mekkis. Even if i could ban people i would do to only people who deserve it
20:29 <Mort-> And i mean not everyone who just irritates me
20:30 <Mekkis> yeah, but I can't make that decision
20:37 <Mort-> True
20:42 <Mort-> When you can.
21:03 <Mort-> If you don't trust me try wrothmonk
21:09 <Mort-> Extra pair of eyes never hurt
21:13 <Mekkis> I doubt I ever will. Even if someone decided to give me ops tomorrow, I wouldn't give it to anyone else...
21:30 <Mekkis> it's not my place to
21:32 <Mort-> You don't trust me?
21:43 <Mort-> This doesn't really make sense
21:50 <Steven> back again
21:56 <Mekkis> it should
21:57 <Mort-> Shouldn't more people be allowed to boot weird people out?
22:10 <Mort-> we had to deal with noise pollution this morning
22:14 <Mekkis> sure
22:31 <Mekkis> until a "weird person" gets the ability to boot weird people out
22:36 <Mort-> With more people on patrol we don't have to deal with noise pollution
22:45 <Mort-> Fine if you think me weird
22:55 <Steven> totes weird
22:55 <Mort-> Get wrothmonk to do it
23:01 <Mort-> He seems stable enough
23:17 <Mekkis> more to the point, if I put that sort of thing into diebot, I'd need to know how to identify that it was YOU, not someone who could type /nick Mort- 
23:18 <Mort-> Bru would be too. So would hydra
23:30 <Mort-> Ah so i need to register nick
23:47 <Mort-> I get the point. So give it to wrothmonk! :d
24:12 * Mort- grins
24:43 <Mekkis> no...
24:44 <Steven> i dont think we need any more mods
24:52 <Mekkis> how can I even tell if someone's registered?
25:08 <Mort-> You can when i can't pm them
25:14 <Mort-> Hydra is registered
25:17 <Mekkis> Steven, are you registered at the moment?
25:21 <Mort-> I can't pm people who are registered
25:34 <Mekkis> I'm registered
25:35 <Steven> i dont remember
25:38 <Mekkis> and you can PM me
25:52 <Mort-> That's because you set it special
25:56 <Steven> there, i identified
25:56 <Mekkis> sure
26:11 <Mekkis> sure
26:13 <Mort-> Steven is registered
26:17 <Mort-> I can't bite him
26:22 <Mekkis> so now if I /whois Steven, it says he's registered
26:25 <Steven> you cant bite me anyways
26:34 <Mort-> I'm a register detector
26:53 <Mekkis> but DIEBOT isn't able to tell that, without issuing a whois
27:03 <Mekkis> which would be really difficult to write
27:07 <Mort-> You know we are registered
27:18 <Mekkis> diebot doesn't
27:19 <Mort-> So just give to who you know is registered
27:27 <Mekkis> ok
27:34 <Mort-> Enable specific names?
27:42 <Mekkis> how does that help
28:00 <Mort-> Because those people are registered
28:02 <Mekkis> doesn't stop someone from typing /nick Wrothmonk while he's not in
28:10 <Wrothmonk> See?
28:18 <Wrothmonk> I can say stuff too!
28:21 <Mort-> They should prompt you
28:26 <Wrothmonk> how so?
28:31 <Mort-> To switch back
28:39 <Wrothmonk> how can diebot tell that I'm not Wrothmonk?
28:42 <Mort-> Hm my experience with irc servers
28:43 <Mort-> Others
28:49 <Wrothmonk> sure
28:57 <Wrothmonk> nickop might get annoyed at me
29:01 <Mort-> You have to /msg nickserv identify x
29:02 <Wrothmonk> and prompt me to switch
29:08 <Mort-> Else you should revert
29:19 <Wrothmonk> BUT it'd still let me type !ban Mort- if I wanted to
29:20 <Mort-> Why aren't you reverting
29:32 <Wrothmonk> in the few minutes it gave me
29:35 * Mekkis giggles
29:59 <Mekkis> Sure, so if I'm around, I could do that
30:03 <Mort-> Hagpa
30:09 <Mort-> That was funny
30:14 <Mekkis> but if I'm not, there's nothing I could do
30:19 <Mort-> I wonder how long i could have stayed there
30:20 <Mekkis> to stop someone banning people
30:28 <Mort-> But yes you proved your point to me
30:31 <Mort-> i get it mek
30:45 <Mort-> I thought the switch would be instantaneous
31:04 <Mort-> Because some other irc server you would get boot straight
31:09 <Mekkis> and as I see it, your hostname keeps changing
31:38 <Mort->  Him
31:40 <Mort-> Hm
31:55 <Mort-> K really due a bath
31:58 <Mekkis> type %info
34:19 <Steven> well, im goin to nap.
34:27 <Mekkis> 	def is_it_mekkis(msg)
34:27 <Mekkis> 		return msg.name == "Mekkis" && (msg.hostname =~ /ti4200.info$/ || msg.hostname =~ /109.235./ || msg.hostname =~ /4a7ytfhd3b7f3.8secjg.28spa0.2a000dd0.ipv6/ || msg.hostname =~ /2a00:dd0:0:15:80a6:4fff:fec7:d456/ ) 
34:27 <Mekkis> 	end
34:56 <Mekkis> (in case you wanted to try and impersonate me
35:20 <Mekkis> %info
41:58 <Wrothmonk> ok I'm beginning to hate slashem. I die only to find out I had a wand of healing!
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20:45 <Mekkis> kapow_Laptop!
23:03 <kapow_Laptop> mooo
26:20 <kapow_Laptop> whats up mekkis?
27:16 <Mekkis> not much
27:19 <Mekkis> yourself?
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37:26 <kapow_Laptop> feel like shit
37:43 <Mekkis> what happen?
37:44 <kapow_Laptop> been kinda sick last week :/
37:57 <kapow_Laptop> really don't want to be at work today
38:02 <kapow_Laptop> just feel like throwing up
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35:03 <kapow> So i've been told that the new sim city game
35:17 <kapow> one of the natural disasters that can happen in it is a zombie apocolypse
35:33 <kapow> which i thought was both pretty fricking awesome and some damn good fan service at the same time
35:40 <kapow> anyone else thinking of getting it?
37:12 <Mekkis> no
41:39 <kapow> you got your approval i take it mekk
42:43 <Wrothmonk> sim city? Bah that line of sims sucks.
43:27 <Wrothmonk> or it could just be I made the mistake of getting the first one on the wii.
48:17 <Steven> my brother got into the beta
48:26 <Steven> which pretty much means i get to play it. woot woot
48:32 <Wrothmonk> :P
49:59 <kapow> :P
50:39 <Wrothmonk> I've only gotten into one beta in my life for any game;  MOP.
51:07 <Wrothmonk> I expected it to have bugs, since you know, beta. I didn't expect game breaking bugs.
01:37 <Brunius-> Try war thunder
01:45 <Brunius-> It's ww2 planes
01:54 <Brunius-> Dogfights!!!
02:04 <Brunius-> Also dive bombing
02:18 <Wrothmonk> I suck at dogfights.
02:56 <kapow> my friend has been bugging me to play that for ages
03:07 <Brunius-> It's awesome, kapow
03:10 <Brunius-> Try it
03:25 <Wrothmonk> I like the idea but I have no clue how to hit anything without a guided missile.
03:26 <Brunius-> Better if you have a joystick though
04:06 <Brunius-> It's got a lead marker
04:26 <Brunius-> Anyway, mafia
04:38 <kapow> brunius
04:54 <kapow> I have't played a flight sim since chuck jaggers flying ace
05:06 <kapow> now if that doesn't say something about how old I am
07:38 <Brunius-> Is this one of those things I don't know about because I'm too young?
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10:18 <kapow_Laptop> probably :P
10:19 <kapow_Laptop> considering it was a game from like 1994
10:21 <kapow_Laptop> or 95
11:04 <Brunius-> I'd never played a flight sim before war thunder
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18:15 <kapow_Laptop> closest thing i've played to a flight sim lately is battlefield
18:15 <kapow_Laptop> 3
18:24 <kapow_Laptop> and thats basically because all I use to do in it was fly
18:32 <kapow_Laptop> or c4 tanks
18:33 <kapow_Laptop> that was fun
19:10 <Wrothmonk> wii sports resort, and pilot wings (both the wii version and n64)
19:27 <Wrothmonk> those all the flight games I've played.
19:49 <Wrothmonk> so no guns :P
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25:33 <Mekkis> ok... that's a bit... scary
25:47 <Mekkis> Piratebay's going through North Korea
26:03 <Wrothmonk> ?
26:15 <Mekkis> http://www.tcpiputils.com/traceroute/194.71.107.15
27:00 <Wrothmonk> whats that ip to?
27:17 <Mekkis> > host thepiratebay.se
27:17 <Mekkis> thepiratebay.se has address 194.71.107.15
27:17 <Mekkis> thepiratebay.se mail is handled by 10 mx.thepiratebay.se.
27:39 <Wrothmonk> what is the pirate bay?
27:47 <Mekkis> are you serious?
27:53 <Wrothmonk> wait.
27:58 <Wrothmonk> THE pirate bay?
28:03 <Mekkis> ja
28:07 <Wrothmonk> ...
28:36 <Wrothmonk> now its my turn to ask you are you serious?
28:50 <Mekkis> yes
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41:47 <kapow_Laptop> I take it all back i played star fox XP
41:50 <kapow_Laptop> thats kind flighty
42:10 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I just realized that too.
42:16 <Wrothmonk> although not really "flying"
44:31 <Wrothmonk> when you do get to where you control the ship its really slowed down :/
55:30 <kapow_Laptop> yup
55:34 <kapow_Laptop> but was still an amazing game
56:17 <Wrothmonk> Definitely. 
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08:36 <kapow_Laptop> stupid shitty laptop XP
08:46 <kapow_Laptop> doesn't have enough RAM to keep the network card working properly XP
08:59 <Wrothmonk> how much ram do you have?
09:55 <Mekkis> the problem is it's running vista
10:07 <Mekkis> should install linux o it instead
20:34 <kapow_Laptop> yeah mmm vista :D
20:39 <kapow_Laptop> and this thing is a piece of crap
20:44 <kapow_Laptop> i give you 3 guesses wroth
33:33 <Wrothmonk> 2 gig?
33:58 <Wrothmonk> gb*
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34:58 <Wrothmonk> I just realized that I still need to make handle animal checks for my ranger animal companion...
35:07 <Wrothmonk> 7 cha is going to bite me in the back.
37:35 <Wrothmonk> maybe I should get animal affinity as my feat.
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52:56 <Wrothmonk> hey brunius, animal affinity or power attack for a 3rd level ranger?
08:19 <Mekkis> power attack
08:23 <Mekkis> always
08:47 <Mekkis> (also why animal affinity)
08:56 <Mekkis> the DC is 10
09:04 <Mekkis> you get a +4 because it's your companion
09:24 <Mekkis> with 4 ranks, +3 class, +4 companion -2 cha, you're still at +9
09:26 <Wrothmonk> oooh
09:29 <Mekkis> meaning you succeed on a 1
09:44 <Wrothmonk> I thought the dc was 20?
09:49 <Wrothmonk> or 15?
09:55 <Mekkis> the DC to use the Attack trick is 10
10:01 <Mekkis> or to use any other trick is 10
10:14 <Wrothmonk> what about training?
10:22 <Mekkis> the DC to train it is 15-25, but that can be done between sessions
10:40 <Mekkis> and regardless, the companion starts with tricks initially
10:49 <Wrothmonk> it does?
10:53 <Wrothmonk> I did not know that.
11:07 <Mekkis> the DC to "push" the animal is 20, but if you teach it the right tricks, you're fine
11:14 <Mekkis> (or, cast Guidance and take 10)
11:17 <Wrothmonk> Definitely power attack then.
11:25 <Mekkis> (iirc, there's a wayfinder that gives guidance)
17:16 <Wrothmonk> power attack: At +6 to attacks I can do 1d8+6, and 1d6+5 damage in a full round attack :D
17:58 <Mekkis> what?
18:02 <Mekkis> that doesn't make sense
18:06 <Mekkis> oh
18:07 <Mekkis> TWF
18:11 <Wrothmonk> wait no, +5
18:15 <Wrothmonk> to attacks
18:21 <Mekkis> it's BAB
18:30 <Mekkis> not attack modifier
19:25 <Wrothmonk> -2 for TWF, -1 for power attack. With double slice I apply my full str mod.
19:38 <Wrothmonk> for damage
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56:38 <Wrothmonk> is the port I need to forward for devCA TCP or UDP?
56:42 <Mekkis> TCP
56:47 <Wrothmonk> ty
59:09 <Mekkis> FYI, TCP/UDP are not different types of ports, they're different types of PROTOCOL
59:21 <Wrothmonk> Ah ok.
59:38 <Mekkis> the internet is more than just TCP and UDP
03:37 <Wrothmonk> what other ports can I use with devCA? I'd prefer to have as few pots forwarded as possible and I'm using a few others.
04:22 <Mekkis> any, as long as you open it in your firewall and tell everyone
05:02 <Wrothmonk> Ah cool.
08:16 <Wrothmonk> Whoops… I think I may have just disable internet for everyone on my router for a minute there :P
08:45 <Mekkis> I can still hear you
09:23 <Wrothmonk> Yeah it was for like a second. Not long enough to register in IRC but long enough that nobody could pull up a page.
10:05 <Wrothmonk> looks like the router needs to pause when applying the port forwarding.
10:18 <Mekkis> ag
10:19 <Mekkis> ah
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19:33 <Brunius> Turns out x-chat doesn't like my using the gui to join multiple networks
19:50 <Mekkis> then you're doing it wrong
19:54 <Mekkis> I'm not having issues
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25:53 <Mekkis> are you, by any chance, double-NATTed Brunius?
25:59 <Brunius> Meaning?
26:22 <Brunius> I don't know if my ISP uses CGN
26:25 <Mekkis> behind two home routers
26:33 <Brunius> I'm not behind two home routers
27:01 <Mekkis> ah
27:04 <Mekkis> good
27:26 <Brunius> Why?
27:38 <Mekkis> it might explain that
27:56 <Brunius> X-chat crashing all over the place?
28:07 <Mekkis> not crashing
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13:06 <Avatar> yo sup
14:36 <Mekkis> sup
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45:42 <Avatar> oh shit, way of the wicked is this weekend
45:54 <Avatar> I thought it was next weekend
46:08 <Avatar> before the change I guess
49:16 <Mekkis> Avatar, ChrisM wanted to sign up for the game on the 16th
49:24 <Mekkis> but the site didn't let him
49:38 <Avatar> is he a newbie
49:40 <Mekkis> yes
49:45 <Avatar> sec
49:51 <Avatar> newbies dont' get auto-invited
49:57 <Mekkis> just after midnight your time
50:04 <Mekkis> any reason why not?
50:14 <Avatar> in case you don't want more people
50:18 <Avatar> or certain people
50:34 <Avatar> there's just never been a good solution for it
51:52 <Avatar> man, so many new people
52:00 <Avatar> about 10 since I last checked
53:34 <Mekkis> also: if you want me to run Devil We Know 2, could you put me as GM on the site?
53:41 <Ballig> it's because the system isn't necessarily JUST for PFS
53:54 <Ballig> although I am thinking of adding an option that can be set for games to auto-invite new people
54:07 <Ballig> but as an example, you don't want all new people invited to WotW
54:13 <Mekkis> that would be good. It seems a bit off-putting
54:23 <Mekkis> s/all/any/
54:44 <Mekkis> it is a literal bitch to introduce new characters
55:26 <Avatar> okay all the newbies have been invited to both games
55:34 <Avatar> arg woops
56:28 <Avatar> kapow will play if the table is able to play otherwise he will pass
56:40 <Mekkis> I can read his comments too :)
56:40 <Ballig> what does that mean
56:41 <Avatar> oh wait, if it has 2 he means
56:51 <Avatar> and adding him in makes it a table
57:07 <Avatar> that's not what it sounded like at first
57:29 <Avatar> Mekkis: you're the listed GM now
57:34 <Mekkis> thanks
57:37 <Avatar> hassle me about that if you see that kind of thing
57:42 <Avatar> it's an instant fix
57:51 <Mekkis> will do
58:01 <Mekkis> which easter con should I go to?
58:07 <Ballig> all of them
58:47 <Brunius> Which one will M. Brock be at
58:54 <Mekkis> the Sydney one
59:01 <Brunius> Go to the Sydney one
59:19 <Avatar> find out what kind of beer he likes first
59:21 <Ballig> isn't he going to a few cons around Australia
59:32 <Avatar> if he learns who I am he will give me the evil eye
59:34 <Mekkis> he's going to Melbourne the previous week
59:36 <Brunius> ha
59:37 <Brunius> why
59:46 <Avatar> I always argue 
59:52 <Mekkis> because Avatar flamed his policy on rebuilds
59:59 <Brunius> New mission: Make Avatar meet M. Brock
00:00 <Ballig> that's true, he does always argue
00:02 <Avatar> that is only one of many examples
00:09 <Mekkis> I'm actually very surprised you had that opinion, Avatar...
00:16 <Brunius> Avatar: Have I missed a bunch of PFS invites, or are they not going out by email any more?
00:18 <Ballig> what was your opinion Avatar?
00:25 <Brunius> For the melbourne guys?
00:28 <Avatar> rebuilds should be more allowable rather than superstrict
00:47 <Ballig> what's your definition of more allowable
00:48 <Avatar> honest mistakes happen and RAW they're not fixable
01:02 <Avatar> especially where lax rule clarifications are concerned
01:19 <Ballig> you mean where someone takes X feat because they think it does Y, but it turns out to do Z, and they can't replace the feat?
01:36 <Avatar> I don't think we need to define it that hard 
01:40 <Avatar> the whole thing is honour system
01:50 <Avatar> if it's something that wasn't intended, let them fix it
01:55 <Ballig> but is that an example of the kind of mistake and rebuild you're talking about
02:04 <Avatar> yeah that's an example
02:10 <Mekkis> Especially as your reaction on August 7th, when hearing that Synthesists were banned was:
02:13 <Mekkis> Aug 07 19:19:10 <Avatar>        ROFL synthesists don't get to change their ability scores!
02:19 <Avatar> but that was funny
02:25 <Ballig> yeah that was funny
02:30 <Avatar> note my ROFL
02:32 <Brunius> yeah that was funy
02:39 <Brunius> ugh, missing an n?
02:43 <Brunius> How could you Brunius
02:47 <Ballig> I'm not a ROFLer, but I contemplated ROFLing on that occasion
02:47 <Brunius> I know, I feel so ashamed
02:55 <Avatar> it was quite ROFLable
03:38 <Ballig> mostly because it only screws over people who were taking disgusting advantage of synthesist stat system
03:48 <Avatar> completely because
03:53 <Ballig> anyone else would be able to find a workable idea for their character
03:53 <Mekkis> I agree with you, Avatar. It seems that Steven hasn't realised what it means to be a VO...
04:04 <Avatar> you were munchkinning and now you're screwed? lollll
04:10 <Avatar> those kinds of things just don't happen in real life
04:26 <Mekkis> "You're a volunteer for the Paizo marketing department"
04:32 <Avatar> ryank actually thinks quite similarly
04:55 <Avatar> he seems to be much tougher on the rules compared to darkwhite or alistair
05:07 <Brunius> Yeah
05:33 <Avatar> not sure why that is, some sort of thing that happens to VLs
05:54 <Mekkis> because VCs are appointed because of their organisational skills
06:06 <Mekkis> then they appoint VLs because of their rules knowledge
06:21 <Avatar> makes sense
06:21 <Mekkis> (at least, that's what it seems to be like)
06:45 <Avatar> I can see brock's point of view too, it's not something you can take lightly to say let's allow rebuilds willy nilly
06:53 <Avatar> that would greatly change PFS
07:08 <Ballig> it would be good to have an official system for it though
07:10 <Mekkis> sure, but you still shouldn't treat your customers as cheats
07:17 <Ballig> right now if someone desperately wants to change something, their only option is to defraud their character sheet
07:48 <Avatar> what I'm talking about is redefining what cheating is
08:06 <Avatar> he's never been as open minded as he was in that thread
08:29 <Avatar> he sort of came into it saying okay let's have a chat about why these things we've been talking about for a while should be banned or not
08:35 <Avatar> that's unheard of
10:46 <Ballig> unHEARD of
11:25 <Brunius> what about unREAD of
13:34 <Mekkis> he more came into it saying, "Here we go again..."
13:55 <Mekkis> then someone actually consolidated all the arguments that have been made for the last three years
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14:13 <Brunius> How much am I missing out on by not reading the messageboards
14:23 <Mekkis> a bit.
14:39 <Mekkis> Ah, it's our Volunteer for the Paizo Marketing Department!
14:56 <Avatar> I'm all over the messageboards these days
17:02 <Mekkis> but I think the attitude of assuming players are cheaters is a bad one
18:50 <Ballig> it's more likely that they're taking the position that if people CAN cheat, enough of them WILL to make a significant impact on the game for everyone else
19:02 <Ballig> it's no different to an MMORPG implementing anti-cheat systems
19:24 <Ballig> sure, they should try the most inobtrusive method possible of doing it, but it doesn't mean they're assuming all their players are cheaters just because they are putting in ways to prevent it
20:03 <Mekkis> I'll bring up Magic as an example, because that's where I've got most experience with.
23:20 <Mekkis> A couple of years ago, they did a large restructure of the policy (not rules), regarding the way things were handled at regular events (that is, tournaments with no significant money prizes). The essentially removed the requirement for decklists, and removed the requirement of returning the contents of a limited deck to its original form at the beginning of each match. This policy change has probably done more to stop cheaters than any other change.
24:09 <Mekkis> Basically, focus on the fact that everyone should be having fun, and remove unenforceable restrictions that prevent this.
24:17 <Ballig> what "we'll watch you less and then you'll cheat less"?
24:39 <Ballig> by the sounds of it, it's more likely to have simply reduced the number of people being marked as cheaters, and not "stop cheaters"
24:56 <Ballig> it's like removing speed limits on roads. it doesn't reduce the number of speeders, it just prevents people from being classified as speeders
26:28 <Mekkis> sure. But if there were no risks to people driving at whatever speed they wanted to, then it'd still be a good idea.
26:56 <Mekkis> because then the cops could stop waving speed cameras and start looking for "real criminals"
27:13 <Ballig> for a lot of people, removing restrictions can make the game less fun. I can't argue the Magic scenario with you because I only played it for a few months in high school
27:28 <Ballig> but I imagine it would suck if you entered an unfair competition because people weren't restricted with what deck they could play with
28:41 <Mekkis> I do think that firstly, there should be a clearer distinction between rules and policy; and that the policy should be regularly reviewed
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30:24 <Ballig> how do you define the difference between a rule and a policy?
32:05 <Mekkis> a rule is something that would be decided by development. Policy would be decided by the campaign staff.
32:44 <Mekkis> example: Bracers of Falcon's Aim cost 4000gp (rule)
32:55 <Mekkis> Bracers of Falcon's Aim are banned in PFS (policy)
33:07 <Ballig> that to me is separate as "game rules" and "organised play rules"
33:16 <Ballig> that already seems fairly well distinct to me
33:28 <Ballig> until you get vague/ambiguous game rules
33:49 <Mekkis> which unfortunately happens
35:05 <Ballig> and sure, you're better off getting those vague/ambiguous rules clarified by the developers
35:09 <Ballig> but I don't think that's very unrealistic
35:22 <Ballig> generally I feel that they mostly ignore those ambiguities for PFS
41:11 <Mekkis> the problem with rebuilds is that when there's no legal way of doing it, people will either do it illegally, be unhappy, or quit
41:36 <Ballig> yeah like I said before, it would be nice if there was a legal system for it
41:52 <Ballig> because the only option is to defraud your character sheet if you absolutely want to change something
42:08 <Mekkis> if you label those people who've been caught doing the (relatively benign) rebuilds as cheats and kick them out, then chances are they might take their friends and leave.
42:51 <Mekkis> if you don't kick them out, then they can interpret this as "don't cheat" is just a guideline, and noone cares, and it'll get worse from there
43:49 <Steven> spaghetti yummy
47:24 <Mekkis> the other thing is that the kind of rebuilds that seem to get done, are ones where an inexperienced player didn't know that  (for example) Armour doesn't stack with Mage Armor, and spends feats on Armour proficiency and Arcane Armour Training...
47:49 <Mekkis> so you end up making it harder on the new, inexperienced players
48:10 <Ballig> the problem is going to be who moderates that?
48:28 <Ballig> in a regular game you have a GM you can go to and say "Look, I didn't know X Y Z so I did A B C, can I undo that?" and he can make a judgement call
48:40 <Ballig> but when you're dealing with thousands of people across the world, who makes those judgement calls
48:58 <Mekkis> I'd be fine with letting table GMs do it
49:09 <Mekkis> or any VO
49:15 <Ballig> even table GMs don't necessarily know the person involved
49:16 <Ballig> or VOs
49:46 <Ballig> and who polices the police? how do you know someone doesn't just GM a game so they can change their friends' characters?
50:23 <Mekkis> Gamers Gonna Game (the system)
50:26 <Ballig> although you can't assume that everyone would do that, you have to allow for the possibility that people will
50:29 <Brunius> Well how do you know people don't just hand-wave that stuff in games anyway
50:48 <Ballig> so you need to come up with a reliable system to minimise it
50:52 <Ballig> right now that system is "no rebuilds"
50:59 <Ballig> which I don't think is what we need
51:05 <Ballig> but we need something between "no rebuilds" and "rebuilds for everyone"
52:29 <Mekkis> what's 190°F in Celcius?
52:45 <Brunius> ~90
53:25 <Steven> there is something between no rebuilds and rebuilds for everyone
54:12 <Steven> its called you are allowed a one time rebuild when leveling up from level 1 to level 2
54:18 <Mekkis> rebuilds if you've got the foresight to take levels in a class that gets banned
54:38 <Ballig> those are outlying cases
54:51 <Ballig> rebuilds at level 1 serve a specific purpose of helping new people figure out what kind of character they want to play
55:01 <Ballig> they don't really help people who didn't understand the rules once they're level 3
55:29 <Brunius> Oh, next time you see a hilariously overpowered class that will probably get banned, tell me?
55:48 <Mekkis> ok, Brunius 
55:53 <Ballig> magus
56:01 <Avatar> yeah magus
56:04 <Avatar> 30d6
56:08 <Brunius>  Not as widespread as synthesists were
56:16 <Ballig> they're becoming more widespread
56:19 <Ballig> now that synthesists are banned
56:24 <Mekkis> Brunius, protip: take a level in the class between unofficial announcement and official announcement
56:27 <Mekkis> no-risk!
56:32 <Avatar> synthests have been banned for quite some time now
56:37 <Brunius> unofficial announcement?
56:40 <Mekkis> yeah
56:45 <Mekkis> someone posting on the forum
56:53 <Mekkis> or in the blog
57:01 <Mekkis> there's usually a small window
57:06 <Avatar> that kind of thinking is the reason brock won't allow free rebuilds
57:18 <Brunius> >Kaleb
58:35 <Mekkis> what about a con boon, to be given out by the organiser of a con, if the organiser has witnessed such a character and believes that the character should be rebuilt?
58:54 <Mekkis> as in, don't randomly award it
00:14 <Mekkis> give it to three-star+ GMs and VOs
01:21 <Mekkis> if you want to police it, require them to give a writeup as to why
01:39 <Mekkis> that should be enough to dissuade people from handing them out willy-nilly
01:41 <Ballig> three-star+ GMs/VOs could work
01:50 <Ballig> they could lose their status as a GM or VO if they're found to be abusing it
01:56 <Steven> if you GM at gencon you can get a rebuild
02:08 <Brunius> Yeah, that's a little out of reach for most players
02:27 <Ballig> especially the newbies that we're talking about requiring a rebuild because of a lack of understanding of the rules :p
02:35 <Mekkis> Steven, so they're giving out rebuilds to the people who need it least :)
02:49 <Ballig> "Oh! You're GMing at gencon?" "Yeah, I didn't know that Armour doesn't stack with Mage Armour. So I'm GMing to rebuild my wizard."
03:42 <Steven> no they are giving rebuilds to people who deserve it for their hard work and commitment to pathfinder
03:44 <Mekkis> or maybe they're going the MTG method of compensating judges
04:01 <Mekkis> (give them stuff that they can later turn into cash)
04:26 <Brunius> >implying those that don't go to gencon don't work hard for pathfinder
06:04 <Mekkis> I can understand that: give them a boon that's in really high demand, and let ebay take care of the rest
06:25 <Steven> implying those who go to gencon have the same didication followed by the willingness to spend lots of money to go to a con.
06:46 <Mekkis> http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=judge+foil+karakas&LH_PrefLoc=2&_arm=1&_armm=63&_ruu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3Djudge%2Bfoil%2Bkarakas%26_arr%3D1
06:58 <Steven> if people want to sell the boon thats their business, i know i wont be selling mine.
07:45 <Brunius> huh, judge foil vendilion cliques are worth ~70
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11:41 <Mekkis> Sure, but it is discriminatory, and it doesn't address the problem.
13:37 <Steven> its not discriminatory go to cons, you have the same chance.
14:46 <Mekkis> well no, I don't.
15:15 <Mekkis> If I wanted to go to gencon, I'd need to spend at least 1.5k on travel
17:51 <Mekkis> (the problem being, a new player took an option, it didn't work they expected, and is unable to change it)
17:58 <Steven> yes, you do, you have the same opportunity to spend money and go to a con just like me.
18:00 <Mekkis> (without defrauding the system)
18:18 <Steven> sounds like a learning experience
19:13 <Mekkis> Sure. "Looks like your character concept won't work. You should throw away that 100 hours you spent getting him to level five, and start again."
20:17 <Steven> Hey i have a level 12 that has a dead feat because i built him wrong.
23:11 <Mekkis> I've seen how you build characters
23:31 <Mekkis> it's the difference between "suboptimal" and "practically useless"
27:05 <Steven> I give the charactes that are really broken away to friends.
34:41 <Steven> the only one i kept was honey, because she only keeps people alive rather than kills the peoples.
35:21 <Mekkis> is there much VO discussion on rebuilds?
35:52 <Mekkis> or is the volume of messages under NDA?
36:57 <Steven> shes killed a total of like 11 creatures, 3 of which were harpies and 8 giants
42:03 <Steven> theres nothing ic an tell ya about rebuilds
57:34 <Steven> Mekkis, so far all the VOs agree Blood Money+Raise dead is a no go due to its longer than one round casting time.
57:44 <Steven> just thought i should mention that to ya.
58:12 <Mekkis> isn't that rules, not policy? :P
58:22 <Mekkis> but thanks for the heads up
59:07 <Steven> so i ran the first session of Rise of the Runelords.
59:23 <Mekkis> no spoilers please
59:45 <Mekkis> how did it go?
59:57 <Steven> so far they have a small boy that follows the pyromancer around who shows some magical aptitude.
00:30 <Steven> and we had a ton of laughs
01:30 <Steven> i gave the little boy a sob story about how his parents were killed by goblins several years back.
01:49 <Steven> and the characters were like yeah you can hang out with us.
02:00 <Steven> he did 1 point of fire damage during combat.
02:41 <Mekkis> did you tie it into We Be Goblins?
02:49 <Steven> nope
03:56 <Steven> in the party, we have Gregory Cleric of Eristil and all around strong jawed hero, raised upon his fathers stories of high adventure
05:03 <Steven> Jane... or maybe it was jill, i dont remember which, Catfolk Fighter who so far has claimed everyone in the party as her personal property... they are not aware of this fact yet.
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06:53 <Steven1> We have a Pyromancer elf who has found an apprentice in a small orphaned townboy who also has a fondness for fire.
07:15 <Steven1> i honestly dont remember his name
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08:10 <Mekkis> fun
08:17 <Mekkis> how do you reconcile the catfolk
08:53 <Steven1> I have the guards follow her around town.
09:28 <Steven1> its varisia so they are somewhat used to strange people and creatures.
10:19 <Steven1> and the city venerates Desna, and surely a civilized half cat half human must be one of her children.
10:25 <Mekkis> ah
10:32 <Steven1> also the catfolk worships desna
10:44 <Steven1> so, it made it much more acceptable
11:00 <Mekkis> I'm putting a lot of faith into this receipe I found on the internet
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11:14 <Steven1> dont do it, its a trap
11:30 <Mekkis> but I've already put 14 hours into it!
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12:42 <Steven> thats going to get rather annoying
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40:31 <Steven> alright im goin to sleep
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29:51 <Mekkis> on the bright side, the outcome was good
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09:22 <kapow_Laptop> doesn't have enough RAM to keep the network card working properly XP
09:35 <Wrothmonk> how much ram do you have?
10:32 <Mekkis> the problem is it's running vista
10:44 <Mekkis> should install linux o it instead
21:11 <kapow_Laptop> yeah mmm vista :D
21:16 <kapow_Laptop> and this thing is a piece of crap
21:20 <kapow_Laptop> i give you 3 guesses wroth
34:10 <Wrothmonk> 2 gig?
34:35 <Wrothmonk> gb*
35:35 <Wrothmonk> I just realized that I still need to make handle animal checks for my ranger animal companion...
35:44 <Wrothmonk> 7 cha is going to bite me in the back.
38:12 <Wrothmonk> maybe I should get animal affinity as my feat.
53:33 <Wrothmonk> hey brunius, animal affinity or power attack for a 3rd level ranger?
08:56 <Mekkis> power attack
09:00 <Mekkis> always
09:24 <Mekkis> (also why animal affinity)
09:33 <Mekkis> the DC is 10
09:41 <Mekkis> you get a +4 because it's your companion
10:01 <Mekkis> with 4 ranks, +3 class, +4 companion -2 cha, you're still at +9
10:03 <Wrothmonk> oooh
10:06 <Mekkis> meaning you succeed on a 1
10:21 <Wrothmonk> I thought the dc was 20?
10:25 <Wrothmonk> or 15?
10:32 <Mekkis> the DC to use the Attack trick is 10
10:38 <Mekkis> or to use any other trick is 10
10:51 <Wrothmonk> what about training?
10:59 <Mekkis> the DC to train it is 15-25, but that can be done between sessions
11:17 <Mekkis> and regardless, the companion starts with tricks initially
11:26 <Wrothmonk> it does?
11:29 <Wrothmonk> I did not know that.
11:44 <Mekkis> the DC to "push" the animal is 20, but if you teach it the right tricks, you're fine
11:51 <Mekkis> (or, cast Guidance and take 10)
11:53 <Wrothmonk> Definitely power attack then.
12:02 <Mekkis> (iirc, there's a wayfinder that gives guidance)
17:53 <Wrothmonk> power attack: At +6 to attacks I can do 1d8+6, and 1d6+5 damage in a full round attack :D
18:35 <Mekkis> what?
18:39 <Mekkis> that doesn't make sense
18:43 <Mekkis> oh
18:44 <Mekkis> TWF
18:48 <Wrothmonk> wait no, +5
18:52 <Wrothmonk> to attacks
18:58 <Mekkis> it's BAB
19:07 <Mekkis> not attack modifier
20:02 <Wrothmonk> -2 for TWF, -1 for power attack. With double slice I apply my full str mod.
20:14 <Wrothmonk> for damage
24:22 <Mekkis> do demons generally speak common?
39:23 <Steven> alright im back awake.
40:14 <Steven> im rather sad my sleep cycle ended so soon.  I was have a pretty cool dream.
40:51 <Mekkis> do demons generally speak common?
41:49 <Mekkis> is there a Wayang boon?
42:23 <Mekkis> ooh
42:24 <Mekkis> there is
42:50 <Mekkis> I should fire up Inkscape
44:02 <Steven> i dont know how common it is for them to speak common
44:35 <Steven> There is a wayang boon and you should for sure not fire up inkscape and create a forgery as then i would be very dissapointed in you.
45:06 <Mekkis> I don't create forgeries of real boons. That's stupid
45:27 <Mekkis> I do want to give someone a Golden Parachute boon though
45:35 <Mekkis> probably should give Heneski Abyssal then...
45:58 <Steven> well it cant hurt.
46:32 <Steven> speaking languages prevents others from talking to each other in them about you without you knowing 
46:57 <Steven> Ausk speaks around 18 languages, Honey speaks about 25-30 of em.
47:00 <Mekkis> it's a pity sorcerers are so hard on skill points
47:33 <Steven> yeah i been considering making a Sage Sorc
47:37 <Mekkis> (Golden Parachute boon. 40xp)
48:12 <Mekkis> aka "Congratulations. You win PFS. Now make a new character"
50:41 <Steven> it should say that.
50:54 <Steven> and you should just give it to lame ass cheese builds.
53:49 <Steven> kinda like what i am now building
54:27 <Mekkis> is 40xp enough?
54:31 <Steven> only im not going full limburger
54:47 <Steven> probably just up to a medium cheddar
54:50 <Mekkis> it's 33 to 12th
55:17 <Mekkis> better make it 57xp
56:02 <Steven> well you can just leave it blank and fill it in.
56:20 <Mekkis> looks better if it's printed
57:15 <Wrothmonk> is the port I need to forward for devCA TCP or UDP?
57:19 <Mekkis> TCP
57:24 <Wrothmonk> ty
58:41 <Steven> yeah but it only lets you get them out of PFS sanctioned play... if you can take thema ll the way to 20 theres no content for them lol
59:46 <Mekkis> FYI, TCP/UDP are not different types of ports, they're different types of PROTOCOL
59:58 <Wrothmonk> Ah ok.
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