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01:58 <Mekkis> Fortress of the Nail was fun
02:13 <Mekkis> especially when our cleric made a statement.
02:38 <Mekkis> Turns out the player is a bar-approved lawyer, so he made a really compelling case
14:07 <Steven> i have yet to read that scenario
14:30 <Steven> but yeah i'd say that would be an advantage
25:13 <Steven> my gunslinger/inquisitor is level 8 now
25:14 <Steven> woot woot
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41:01 <Mekkis> I'll make a decision on Wednesday/Thursday
18:51 <Brunius> wha
18:59 <Brunius> seoni mishandling a platypus?
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29:50 <Brunius> I think I remember that, actually
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34:12 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderPlayerCompanion/PZO9429-Seoni.jpg
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35:00 <Brunius> Of course...
35:52 <Steven> sp
35:55 <Steven> sup
37:29 <Mekkis> I need to consolidate some chronicle sheets
37:39 <Mekkis> time to fire up Inkscape!
44:06 <Steven> no dont do it, its a tarp
01:33 <Mekkis> Steven, if you get GM credit for First Steps 2, do you get the boon?
02:01 <Avatar> you get the boon on any game you GM
02:17 <Steven> well... now you do.
02:19 <Avatar> it's in the PFS guide
02:21 <Steven> you used to not get boons.
02:29 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure you told me that mekkis
02:30 <Mekkis> ummm
02:42 <Mekkis> if you GMed it on 2011-9-30, would you get the boon?
02:51 <Avatar> it's not retroactive
03:03 <Mekkis> that's why I'm asking
03:10 <Mekkis> I don't remember when that rule was changed
03:24 <Steven> mid 2012
03:25 <Avatar> like mid last year I think
07:24 <Brunius> Avatar, how do I torpedos
07:38 <Avatar> you just torpedos
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07:59 <Brunius> Oh, is that all
08:02 <Brunius> I thought it was more complicated
08:08 <Avatar> that's all it is
09:02 <Steven> what torpedos?
09:23 <Avatar> not sure
11:28 <Mekkis> damn: I'm missing a boon
11:39 <Mekkis> ummm
11:42 <Mekkis> chronicle sheet
11:49 <Avatar> do you know which one
11:53 <Mekkis> yes
11:58 <Mekkis> echoes of the overwatched
12:10 <Avatar> brunius GM'd that didn't he
12:18 <Mekkis> he did, but not for me
12:22 <Brunius> I've DMed it in past
12:30 <Mekkis> he played it with me
12:38 <Brunius> It was one of the Geelong guys that DMed it
12:39 <Mekkis> Brunius, why don't you run it again soon?
12:46 <Mekkis> was it Ulzef?
12:53 <Brunius> Nope
13:00 <Brunius> No-one whos name I know
13:39 <Mekkis> Steven, did you end up getting that PDF?
13:44 <Avatar> better to run something you haven't GM'd before
14:20 <Avatar> I decided on taking combat trick with rapid shot for my rogue talent
14:28 <Avatar> I need to do some more damage
14:37 <Mekkis> Brunius, could you tell me what a character on slow progression would get if they played up for that scenario?
15:10 <Brunius> Don't have the pdf downloaded; give me a couple of minutes
16:35 <Mekkis> don't worry
16:37 <Mekkis> I found it
18:47 <Avatar> what tier gives 5000ish gold
18:54 <Brunius> 5-6?
18:56 <Brunius> IIRC
19:04 <Brunius> might be 8-9
19:05 <Avatar> cool
19:34 <Avatar> it is 8-9
19:43 <Avatar> ok someone has to run a 5-9 that I can uptier my level 6 guy through
19:48 <Avatar> I need 5000 gp and fast !
20:12 <Avatar> somehow I've gone 6 levels with my archaeologist and never misfired his gun
20:13 <Mekkis> Fortress of the Nail?
20:25 <Avatar> you'll kill me in fortress of the nail
20:52 <Mekkis> we finished the scenario with two combat rounds!
20:53 <Avatar> apparently blakros matrimony, the disappeared and fortress of the nail are like a trilogy
20:58 <Steven> no i havent gone over to moscow.
21:00 <Avatar> and I have completely missed the tie in
21:43 <Steven> avatar.. currently there is a bet going on
21:51 <Avatar> a bet
22:01 <Steven> would you care to enter the competition?
22:07 <Avatar> what is it
22:23 <Mekkis> but there's new information since previous bets were placed!
22:28 <Mekkis> if Avatar enters, I call foul
22:36 <Avatar> what is the bet
22:38 <Steven> shut up, if he doesnt know it, its still valid
22:47 <Avatar> what
22:50 <Steven> because he doesnt have the additional information
22:57 <Avatar> I don't have any information
23:19 <Steven> Bracers of falcons aim has recently been banned until it can be errata'd with a more reasonable price
23:51 <Mekkis> the fact that Mike Brock said what the development say the price should be
23:53 <Steven> the bet is, figuring out a reasonable price for the item.
24:00 <Mekkis> and Avatar has commented on that thread
24:11 <Steven> he did?
24:12 <Avatar> I have the memory of a sieve
24:13 <Mekkis> yes
24:16 <Avatar> I don't recall seeing a new price
24:25 <Steven> so... how much do you think they are worth?
24:28 <Avatar> I don't actually know what they do
24:31 <Avatar> sec
24:39 <Mekkis> !item bracers of falcon's aim
24:40 <diebot> Mekkis, BRACERS OF FALCON'S AIM [faint transmutation] CL:3 wrists 4000gp, 1lb
24:41 <diebot> Each of these crimson leather bracers is emblazoned with the image of a soaring golden falcon scanning the ground for easy prey. They continually grant the wearer the benefits of the aspect of the falcon spell, though without the spell's physical transformation. Source: Ultimate Equipment
24:50 <Mekkis> !spell Aspect of the falcon
24:52 <diebot> Mekkis, ASPECT OF THE FALCON transmutation (polymorph[]) druid 1, ranger 1 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 minute/level Save:  SR:
24:52 <Avatar> they reckon 4000gp is too cheap aye
24:52 <diebot> You take on an aspect of a falcon. Your eyes become wide and raptor-like, and you grow feathers on the sides of your head. You gain a +3 competence bonus on Perception checks, a +1 competence bonus on ranged attacks, and the critical multiplier for your bows and crossbows becomes 19-20/x3. This effect does not stack with any other effect that
24:52 <diebot> expands the threat range of a weapon, such as the Improved Critical feat or a keen weapon.
24:58 <Avatar> don't present more evidence
25:18 <Avatar> is this a guessing bet
25:19 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pivw&page=5?Balance#221
25:22 <Avatar> or are we meant to calculate it
25:23 <Steven> so effectively, skill focus perception, improved critical, and weapon focus.
25:31 <Steven> this is a guessing bet
25:37 <Avatar> yeah ok
26:13 <Mekkis> (note that that's in response to the post just after Brock giving his idea of the price)
26:13 <Steven> you pick a number, if you are closest to the number, you pick one other person who has also made a bet and they have to GM a game of your choosing
27:10 <Avatar> I would do it for bragging rights
27:40 <Avatar> 16000gp
27:59 <Avatar> that is probably generous
28:01 <Avatar> 18000gp
28:34 <Steven> yeah mekkis is a douche and picked one number below mine.
28:48 <Avatar> what was it
28:48 <Steven> i think you should pick 14998 to douche him!
28:56 <Avatar> ok 14998gp
28:56 <Steven> mine is 15k, his is 14999
29:05 <Steven> BOOSH! SCREW YOU MEKKIS!
29:15 <Avatar> hopefully they are 14999gp mekkis
29:32 <Steven> yeah he tried to get brunius to pick 15001
29:49 <Steven> so i would have a very slim chance to get it.
30:16 <Mekkis> I call BS
30:23 <Mekkis> as I said, Avatar has additional information
30:31 <Avatar> I didn't even know about it until you pointed it out
30:40 <Avatar> even a cursory glance after you linked it and I didn't see it
30:59 <Avatar> I was busy giving mike brock an earful 
31:10 <Avatar> you'll excuse me if they were talking about an item I didn't care about
31:23 <Steven> until the official price for the item comes out its complete speculation.
31:40 <Avatar> does anyone else have bets
31:52 <Steven> brunius, mekkis, avatar, and myself have placed bets
31:59 <Mekkis> I know, but it's got more guidance that the one I had. Also, the original bet was just between Steven and myself
32:04 <Avatar> what's brunius think
32:08 <Mekkis> I believe it was wrothmonk, not Brunius 
32:14 <Avatar> what's wrothmonk think
32:15 <Steven> yeah wroth
32:17 <Steven> 8k
32:42 <Avatar> I think they tend to try make magic items pretty overpriced in general
32:59 <Avatar> I always get a feeling like "I can't believe I'm paying this much for this one thing"
33:11 <Avatar> so for these 3 things, well...
33:19 <Avatar> in one item
33:53 <Mekkis> when was the synthesist banned?
34:05 <Avatar> the synthesist was banned....
34:05 <Steven> it was basically i pay 4k for 3 feats
34:12 <Avatar> I don't remember when the synthesist was banned
34:18 <Avatar> but I do remember that the synthesist is banned
34:27 <Brunius> what
34:33 <Brunius> why are you pinging me
34:40 <Avatar> go back to sleep
34:42 <Brunius> I didn't place any bets
35:24 <Steven> yeah i was confused... woudl you like to place a bet?
35:53 <Steven> winner picks one person in the pool to run any scenario that they want.  Eyes of the ten is off limits.
36:41 <Brunius> What is the bet on?
37:03 <Steven> the new errata'd cost of Bracers of Falcons Aim.
37:24 <Brunius> I don't have any interest in that, so no
37:30 <Avatar> it's a bet brunius!
37:37 <Avatar> just name a number
37:37 <Brunius> Fuck you, no
37:43 <Avatar> well that's rude
37:47 <Avatar> and not very sporting
37:48 <Steven> seriously right?
37:53 <Brunius> You're always trying to get me to do stuff
37:56 <Avatar> have you had a bad day
37:57 <Brunius> I'm a little bit sick of it
38:02 <Brunius> Slightly
38:05 <Avatar> relax
38:42 <Steven> sorry we want to include you on our stupid bet?
38:54 <Steven> You dont have to do it if you dont want.
39:09 <Avatar> just a correction
39:11 <Avatar> it is a sweet bet
39:22 <Avatar> as good as anything to bet on
39:22 <Steven> a stupidly sweet bet!
39:28 <Avatar> stupidly sweet!
42:15 <Steven> my bard is now level 8
42:25 <Steven> has haste, slow, and terrible remorse
42:29 <Avatar> what feats do you have
43:17 <Steven> combat expertise, weapon finesse, lingering performance,
43:26 <Steven> still have to pick my level 7 feat
43:38 <Steven> thinking butterfly sting
44:07 <Avatar> what weapon do you use
44:36 <Steven> i have like 9 weapons on the character.
45:36 <Steven> scorpion whip, rapier, heavy mace, short bow, light crossbow, Great sword, long sword, quarterstaff, Dagger
45:56 <Steven> the great sword is cold iron
46:07 <Steven> the dagger is silver
46:31 <Steven> i would use the Rapier to butterfly sting, get it keened
47:29 <Mekkis> Steven, is this legit: http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/consolidated_boon.pdf
48:32 <Steven> no.
49:04 <Steven> You could put it in with the rest as a summation of what you have, but you still have to carry all your chronicle sheets with you.
49:28 <Avatar> hi everyone look at my very-paizo looking chronicle sheet that I made up
50:03 <Avatar> you cheated on all those dayjob rolls
53:06 <Steven> remember mekkis, the more suspicious your sheets look... like say having a very official looking chronicle sheet, the longer and more thorough people are going to be during an audit of your character.
53:44 <Avatar> that's his old synthesist character
53:52 <Avatar> he was rolling with skilled +8 on diplomacy with caravan
53:57 <Avatar> which mike brock ruled was illegal
54:19 <Steven> skilled?
54:27 <Avatar> the skilled evolution summoners get
55:13 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ndf0?Day-Job-Synthesist-Summoner-Caravan-vanity
55:43 <Steven> you should get a GM to watch you adjust the gold amount on those sheets and sign off on them.
55:57 <Steven> preferably a VO
56:15 <Steven> but thats up to you
56:38 <Avatar> forget that just keep the rolls and make the character illegal for play
58:48 <Steven> i think after tonight walter is 10 games away from qualifying for his 5th star.
00:08 <Avatar> do you need a certain unmber of games for 5 stars
01:41 <Steven> yup
01:54 <Steven> 150 games w/ over different games played.
02:25 <Steven> 10 specials
02:31 <Steven> i thought it was 30
02:34 <Avatar> how do you play 10 specials
02:39 <Steven> so he is probaly like 2-3 games away
03:12 <Steven> sorry 150games, 50 different games so you cant just do like first steps 30 times.
03:26 <Steven> 10 specials
03:29 <Avatar> we struggle to play through any specials
03:50 <Steven> and GM a game with a VO or Paizo staff at your table evaluating your rules knowledge
04:24 <Steven> which for walter will mean Mike Brock
05:47 <Avatar> I'm sure Mike Brock isn't quite that scary
05:50 <Steven> specials and exclusives
05:58 <Steven> no he is a super cool dude
06:34 <Steven> at paizocon, i was walking through the hallway as a slot was starting up
07:01 <Steven> he walked out saw me and was like yo bearded man we need one more at a table will you do it? and i was like sure what game.
07:07 <Steven> it was one i had played
07:28 <Steven> and was like well looks like no credit and he was like no wait, you already played it... nah we dont want to waste your time
07:46 <Steven> and i was like, TIME FOR NO CREDIT SIR! LETS DO THIS!
08:01 <Steven> at the end of the scenario, he gave me a boon of my choosing
08:26 <Steven> he is seriously a cool guy.
08:35 <Steven> also, likes good beer
09:03 <Steven> also recognized me at the very end of the con and gave me a free fiction book.
09:19 <Steven> he had a box of them and was handing them out to people.
09:25 <Steven> that were GMs
09:31 <Steven> and was like hey Heres a book.
09:34 <Mekkis> what's his favourite beer?
09:46 <Steven> and i was like, not a GM, and hes like Hey, heres a book.
09:47 <Avatar> mekkis wants to earn the PFS co-ordinator's favour!
10:00 <Brunius> He needs it, with all the stunts he's pulling
10:04 <Avatar> haha
10:05 <Brunius> Wow, I'm cynical today
10:23 <Steven> If you can find out his Favorite beer there are many VOs who will pay you handsomely for that information.
10:29 <Brunius> First I categorise the mining companies as evil superpowers that want us all to work for $0.10 a day
10:45 <Steven> thats not cynical... thats truth.
10:49 <Mekkis> nah
10:56 <Mekkis> they actually pay very well
11:08 <Steven> because governments force them to pay a fair wage.
11:17 <Mekkis> not just that
11:30 <Mekkis> because noone wants to work out there without a big bribe
11:33 <Mekkis> it's more that they want to "strip us of our resources and move on"
11:51 <Brunius> To be fair, it was part of a presentation on how evil mining companies are
11:53 <Steven> the largest open pit mining operation in the world pays their employees less than a dollar a day because there is very little government interference due to bribes and what not.
12:37 <Mekkis> there are a lot of reasons to dislike mining companies in Australia. The amount they pay their employees isn't one of them
12:46 <Steven> anyways...
13:04 <Mekkis> the fact that they keep lobbying the government to let them import workers is more of an issue
13:05 <Steven> mekkis find out his favorite beer and you could be a rich man.
13:17 <Brunius> Yeah, that's pretty annoying
13:31 <Mekkis> should I get him drunk and ask him, Steven?
14:32 <Steven> if you could get him drunk...
15:01 <Mekkis> my favourite beer is stuff without hops, that's been distilled, then packed in wooden casks for eighteen years...
22:47 <Steven> my favorite beer is the oatmeal stout my brother makes
23:02 <Brunius> my favorite beer is null
03:55 <Mort-> Oh hi
05:10 <Avatar> are you surprised to find us
06:10 <Mort-> No. I was trying to hypnotise mekkis for cookies
06:23 <Mort-> Also I've heard you found a rack
06:33 <Mort-> Want some suggestions?
06:57 <Avatar> oh mort
07:02 <Avatar> there is a way to get a tail as a human in PFS
07:04 <Avatar> I think
07:05 <Mort-> Yes yes?
07:28 <Mort-> Racial heritige kitsune?
07:36 <Avatar> that's it I think
07:48 <Avatar> I saw that and I thought YEP THATS MORT
07:49 <Mort-> Haha. Id like that
08:10 <Mort-> Maybe my next character will be a sylvan sorb
08:13 <Mort-> Sorc.
08:16 <Mort-> With a tail
08:33 <Mort-> And i shall have a badger.
09:07 <Mort-> Mebbe. But back to the rack
10:43 <Steven> sup.
10:45 <Steven> im back
12:01 <Avatar> I'm not 100% sure it's legal
12:31 <Mort-> Probably not since I'm not sure if kitsune are legal without boons
12:51 <Mort-> But if i were to translate myself. Just simple druid
13:11 <Mort-> Wildshape into a badger and stay in it permanently
13:42 <Mort-> Though technically i have an arcane and not a divine spell list
13:49 <Mort-> I really can't clw
15:16 <Mort-> I really don't feel good with a divine spell list
15:36 <Mort-> My spells should be nothing but glitterdust
19:36 <Steven> kitsune are not legal without a boon
25:39 <Mekkis> I still want an oracle with the druid spell list
27:35 <Mort-> I want to have a wizards spell list
27:36 * Mort- is a magic mur
31:06 <Mekkis> still making ramen
31:19 <Mekkis> takes ages...
31:21 <Steven> mort if you want to get yourself a tail on a human you gonna have to disguise tht you have a tail as there is no legal way for you to grow one currently.
32:09 <Mekkis> I hope that Kitsune boons don't pop up around Australia
32:12 <Mort-> Easy. Hat of disguise. Kitsune form
32:21 <Mort-> Matter settled
32:24 <Mort-> Got issue?
32:25 <Mort-> Greater hat of disguise
32:25 <Mekkis> AFAIK, if you want one, your best chance is Sydney :)
32:39 <Mort-> I can't fly to auzzie land
32:48 <Steven> I have a kitsune bonus
32:52 <Steven> boon even
32:58 <Mort-> Would darkwhite believe me if i told him i had paws and a tail?
33:13 <Mort-> 4 paws in fact
33:58 <Steven> probably not
34:48 <Mekkis> Mort-, I believe you already told him
34:50 <Mekkis> let me check
34:59 <Mort-> Oh oh!
35:19 <Mort-> He did say he believed me right?
37:20 <Mekkis> Apr 11 23:03:44 <Mort-> Does darkwhite have horns. Claws. And tail?
37:21 <Mekkis> hehe
37:59 <Mort-> But did i tell him i have a tail?
38:04 <Mort->  And 4 paws?
52:00 <Mekkis> not sure
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57:34 <Mort-> See.
57:40 <Steven> see what?
57:56 <Mort-> I won't know if darkwhite will believe me
59:04 <Steven> why not send him an email
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06:07 <Steven> better to find out before you go.
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10:37 <Mort-> I believe in myself
10:46 <Mort-> All that really matters
12:01 <Steven> and here i thought the rules were what matter
16:13 <Mekkis> Steven, Question.
17:08 <Mekkis> I'm trying to decide whether to houserule the Iron Circlet's version of Disguise Self should always disguise the wearer as a Humanoid....
17:29 <Steven> its your home brew man, do whatever ya want
17:51 <Steven> i mean you already house ruled no swift action wands
18:16 <Steven> the spring loaded wrist sheath thing.
21:58 <Steven> i went and looked at disguise self, you cannot change your creature type
22:08 <Steven> so, we could never change from a humanoid
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27:27 <Mekkis> the problem is that kapow's character is an Outsider (native)
29:38 <Mort-> Say it turns you into a human
30:05 <Mort-> Else next he will turn into some kind of many clawed bodak or something
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31:26 <Mekkis> a bodak is undead, iirc
32:42 <Mort-> I'm sure there are nice demons
32:47 <Mort-> Or devils
33:05 <Mort-> Maybe even a shadow demon
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33:19 <Mort-> Or a marlith(think too big though)
34:30 <Steven> there is at least ONE CG Bearded Devil
36:31 <Mort-> Probably someones magic jaring him
36:38 <Mort-> How did he get cg
36:42 <Steven> we summoned one and had it put on a crown of opposite alignment
36:48 <Mort-> or got cursed go that body
36:59 <Mort-> Lol
37:27 <Mort-> That's amusing
39:35 <Steven> yeah, we summon him all the time
39:58 <Steven> mostly when we are fighting devils
40:50 <Mort-> What does he do
40:56 <Mort-> Smite evil?
41:07 <Mekkis> really?
41:09 <Mekkis> in PFS?
41:31 <Mekkis> can you tell Deceased his Truename?
42:22 <Mort-> It won't work in pfs
44:14 <Avatar_> I didn't realise throwing weapons provokes AoOs
44:19 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if there's a crown of opposite alignment in PFS
44:27 <Mekkis> I know there's a belt of gender changing
44:33 <Mekkis> Mytiazair almost put it on
44:35 Avatar_ is now known as Avatar
44:46 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
47:38 <Steven> Mekkis i would be glad to run the scenario where that happens.
48:14 <Mekkis> well... Avatar won't play it if I run it...
48:30 <Steven> i mean... i'd kill like all of you...
53:00 <Ballig> and the action required to throw a weapon depends on the weapon size
53:18 <mib_hh7sfk> so how does one get invited to a game?
59:21 <Steven> alright back
59:30 <Steven> wow... nobody messaged the newbbie
07:00 <Steven> How do you guys ever expect to grow the community if nobody talks to new people?
09:35 <Mekkis> should I get diebot to respond to common questions?
10:07 <Steven> probably not
10:26 <Mekkis> I was thinking about programming First Steps 1 into diebot :)
12:24 <Mekkis> so... Day of the Demon on Wednesday
15:12 <Steven> hmmm... so on tuesday
15:54 <Mekkis> yeah
16:12 <Steven> yeah no.
16:56 <Mekkis> what's the best usage of one of those Image spells (silent image/minor image etc) you've seen?
21:45 <Steven> I made an image of a dude in a prison cell while we snuck him out
22:16 <Mekkis> how long did you remain concentrating?
23:54 <Steven> just long enough to get him back onto my ship
24:21 <Mekkis> ah
26:17 <Steven> yeah the dude was about to get killed, we brought him a whore
26:35 <Mekkis> ah
26:39 <Mekkis> fair enough
26:43 <Mekkis> any other usages you've seen?
26:51 <Steven> dalsine affair
29:53 <Mekkis> in 2009, a wizard cast a silent image of a thick cloud of fog over the enemies
30:01 <Mekkis> there were a lot of rogues in the party
30:19 <Mekkis> and we shared a language other than common
24:14 <Mekkis> it's a ranged attack
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04:53 <sir_stiletto> how do I handle skills if I'm multi-classed?  I'm currently a rogue and I'm debating when I want to also bring in fighter.  When I add fighter to rogue, do I become skilled in all of the class skills for both?  What does that do to the +1 Skill Point or + 1 HP for favored class?  By the way I'm a Half-elven, so both rogue and fighter are my favored classes.
12:07 <Ulzef_sleepingzzzz> you still get the +1 hp/skill or other all skills become class skills you just gain a amount of skills per lvl equal to your current class
12:29 <Ulzef_sleepingzzzz> so when you gpo fighter you get 2+int mod for that lvl
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13:48 <sir_stiletto> I think I understand the implications there.
15:35 <sir_stiletto> I know I still count as a level 2 character.  Just with 1 level in Rogue and 1 in Fighter.  From what I'm hearing I basically become skilled in the additional class skills.  
16:05 <Ulzef> yeah your class skills ar both list of class skills
16:28 <Ulzef> you still get to put your favored class bonus were you want 
16:33 <sir_stiletto> I can get the skill points of 2+1 (INT is 12).  And apply those 3 points to any three skills
16:44 <Ulzef> yes
17:00 <sir_stiletto> and if I choose to put my favored to +1 Skill then I apply that as well.
17:03 <sir_stiletto> cool
17:09 <Ulzef> 4 if you use your favored class there
18:42 <sir_stiletto> I'm still trying to understand the full implications, but I'm basically interested in growing combat as a duelist.  In this case the feat of Two-Handed Fighting.  I'm still trying to figure out the implications of Two-Handed Fighting with Sneak Attack
20:49 <sir_stiletto> from what I'm reading the Sneak Attack can apply as long as they are not applying their DEX to their armor and that it counts for all attacks.  So Two-Handed Fighting with a Rapier and a Dagger could get really nice damage.
31:36 <sir_stiletto> how do I know what magical items are available for purchase?  is it always completely limited to what is on my chronicle sheets?  I would like to buy mule back cords, but it's not on any of my sheets.
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37:01 * Mort- licks a wrothmonk
37:14 <sir_stiletto> licks a wrothmonk?
37:24 <Wrothmonk> ...
39:40 <Wrothmonk> Why…?
42:25 <Mort-> Because I'm a small mur
42:35 <Mort-> Its like having a puppy around
47:16 <Mort-> Puppies lick you don't they
47:31 <Wrothmonk> Yeah, some grown dogs do as well
48:48 <sir_stiletto> so how do I find out the list of "standard" items that can be bought without having them on the chronicle sheets?
49:16 <Mort-> Its the guide to pathfinder society
49:37 <Mort-> And oh you're new :)
49:48 * Mort- giggles
50:04 <Mort-> Let me introduce myself. I am mort
50:07 <Mort-> And I'm a
50:16 <sir_stiletto> that's why I'm confused actually.  I was able (encouraged) to buy a wand of Cure Light Wounds with prestige points and that's not on the list in the guide
51:07 <Ulzef> you can get any first lvl wands or any +1 items everything else depends on if you have enough fame to meet the gold requirements
51:09 <Mort-> i.pinger.pl/pgr274/b53a4f5e0018633e50bf594e/Mort_the_Mouse_lemur%5B1%5D.jpg
51:36 <Mort-> You can get it using 2 pp to get a 750 gp weapon
51:50 <Mort-> Someone actually made a master composite bow with it
52:13 <Mort-> +3 strength rating and started shooting things with it
52:21 <Mort-> Instead of a clw
52:29 <Mort-> Wand.
53:27 <sir_stiletto> so I might have done the wand incorrectly… I have to have enough prestige points to be able to spend the gold?  or do I spend the prestige points?
53:41 <Mort-> You spend the pp
53:43 <Mort-> 2 of it
53:50 <sir_stiletto> ok, so I did it right then
53:54 <Mort-> And you have a clw wand with 50 charges
54:08 <Mort-> Have fun. If you see a shadow. Tap him with it
54:12 <Wrothmonk> its fame not prestige that allows you to buy non-standard items
54:14 <Mort-> That also works.
54:32 <Wrothmonk> fame goes up every time you get prestige and can't go down.
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54:59 <Mort-> Ok work. Time to go
55:03 <Mekkis> sorry about that
55:05 <Mort-> Pallies make me sneeze
55:08 <sir_stiletto> have fun...
55:16 <Mort-> Its ok you can't be around all the time
55:20 <Mekkis> was busy making ramen
55:50 <Mort-> Give wrothmonk admin rights
55:52 <Mort-> Will help
56:00 <Mort-> More people to keep an eye on thing
56:02 <Mort-> S
56:09 <sir_stiletto> that's scary… my son with admin rights
56:21 <Ulzef> no she would kick me for crating people
56:22 <Mort-> He isn't your son is he?
56:25 <Mekkis> I'll just put something into diebot :)
56:26 <sir_stiletto> yes he is
56:34 <Mort-> Give wrothmok
56:45 <sir_stiletto> I'm getting back into doing RPG to spend more time with him...
56:52 <Ulzef> ahh
56:55 <Mort-> You're so cool
56:56 <sir_stiletto> did lots of it in college 
57:17 <Mekkis> if someone says "dddddddddd n dddddddddddd", allow people to type !ban or something
57:17 <sir_stiletto> don't let him hear that I'm cool…  I'm supposed to be the irritating father.
57:50 <sir_stiletto> make a clown file and add phrases to it.  if someone enters a phrase in the clown file then !ban can work
58:00 <sir_stiletto> and it's easy to add phrases to the system
58:30 <sir_stiletto> sorry, 30 years of writing software makes me jump up and nerd out at the weirdest times
58:30 <Wrothmonk> To late, I'm still here :P
58:34 <Mekkis> FYI: I don't actually have ops either... I can usually get him to leave though :)
58:53 <Mort-> Wish my dad would join me also
59:02 <Ulzef> i resisted the urge to flame him
59:04 <Mort-> Instead of thinking i have better uses for my free time
00:15 <Mort-> Ok have to go to work
00:29 <Ulzef> hey mekkis do you know of any decent animal companions that can do both water and land
00:30 <Mort-> And you have a really cool dad wrothmonk! :d
00:38 <Mort-> Croc
00:40 <Mort-> Off hand
00:48 <Mort-> Try elamosaurus too
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03:41 <sir_stiletto> can a riding dog be a pack animal?
05:16 <Mekkis> define "pack animal"?
06:49 <sir_stiletto> put a couple saddle bags and have it follow me around.  train it using Handle Animal...
06:55 <Mekkis> sure
07:07 <sir_stiletto> I'm assuming that a riding dog isn't big enough to carry a 6' person
07:16 <Mekkis> they're actually really powerful as attack dogs at first level
08:32 <sir_stiletto> yeah, that's what actually got my attention.  have it intimidate/attack and then I back stab
09:10 <sir_stiletto> but can I buy one?
09:23 <Mekkis> sure
09:27 <Mekkis> it's in the core rulebook
10:09 <sir_stiletto> scary enough that might be my solution for carrying more stuff… :)
10:58 <Mekkis> sure. Just don't get too emotionally attached to the dog
11:02 <Mekkis> it WILL die
11:03 <sir_stiletto> it's STR is higher than mine
11:07 <Mekkis> the question really is "when"
11:11 <sir_stiletto> yeah, that's what I'm afraid of
11:15 <Mekkis> what class is your character?
11:21 <sir_stiletto> I would have to leave a bunch of stuff behind
11:36 <sir_stiletto> Rogue right now 1st level.  I'm going to add 1 level fighter
12:09 <sir_stiletto> I'm trying to figure out what I can do to carry more gear.  I can't get a handy haversack yet, which is what I really want
12:26 <sir_stiletto> I'm thinking I'll probably just wait for the haversack but I'm exploring options
12:50 <Mekkis> how much stuff are you planning on carrying?
13:49 <sir_stiletto> not a ton, but I used to carry lots of stuff like flour, oil, etc.  I like the thunderstone, and tanglefoot bag.  and some others.
14:05 <sir_stiletto> but I have a STR of 13.  so my light encumbrance is low
14:15 <Mekkis> !capacity 13
14:21 <diebot> Mekkis, 50 if medium, 37.5 if small.
14:31 <Mekkis> !capacity 14
14:33 <diebot> Mekkis, 58 if medium, 43.5 if small.
14:41 <Mekkis> you can get a masterwork backpack
14:48 <Mekkis> that gives you another 8 lb
14:49 <Wrothmonk> He already has.
14:54 <sir_stiletto> I thought about the master work backpack, but it doesn't give much
14:54 <Wrothmonk> I believe.
15:04 <Mekkis> muleback cords are the next upgrade
15:07 <Mekkis> !item muleback cords
15:13 <sir_stiletto> No I decided against it because it didn't give much
15:25 <Wrothmonk> ah
15:36 <sir_stiletto> I think I can get muleback cords right now but that takes up most of my gold
15:38 <Mekkis> looks like that database is getting slow
15:46 <diebot> Mekkis, MULEBACK CORDS [faint transmutation] CL:3 shoulders 1000gp, 0.2lb
15:47 <diebot> These thick leather cords wrap around the wearer's biceps and shoulders. When worn, they make the wearer's muscles appear larger than normal. The wearer treats his Strength score as 8 higher than normal when determining his carrying capacity. This bonus does not apply to combat, breaking items, or any other Strength-related rolls, it only
15:47 <diebot> contributes to the amount of equipment or material the wearer can carry. Source: Ultimate Equipment
15:50 <sir_stiletto> I'm actually thinking I might just wait another module or two
16:25 <sir_stiletto> a little more fame and a little more gold get's the haversack
16:43 <Mekkis> I just travel light :)
17:26 <Ulzef> gah trying to come up with what i will amek when we do that trade mekkis
18:03 <Mekkis> sure
18:15 <Ulzef> was looking at sword and bourd ranger with a splash of druid so i can get a real companion but cant work out what i would want
18:42 <Mekkis> I need to make a new character soon... or work out what to do with Berknet
18:53 <Wrothmonk> ?
19:01 <sir_stiletto> is there anything past level 12?
19:06 <Mekkis> there are modules and specials
19:09 <sir_stiletto> or am I going to top out that soon?
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31:56 <Mekkis> sir_stiletto, you're level 1?
31:59 <Mekkis> you've got ages
32:09 <sir_stiletto> yeah I know
32:26 <Mekkis> I started in 2009. My highest level character is level 11
32:38 <Mekkis> just hit level 11 at arcanacon this year
32:45 <sir_stiletto> level 2 actually with my first toon
32:49 <sir_stiletto> character that is
33:01 <Mekkis> and you're already making a second character?!
33:05 <sir_stiletto> I'm doing his first level up right now.  trying to figure different options.
33:19 <Mekkis> how has rogue been treating you?
33:23 <sir_stiletto> nope… half-elf rogue fighter.  knife master and two-weapon warrior
33:34 <sir_stiletto> I'm very happy with sneak attack on knife master
33:40 <Mekkis> that's good
33:45 <Mekkis> flanking?
33:49 <sir_stiletto> once I add two weapon fighting good
34:12 <sir_stiletto> yeah, although I just found that it doesn't have to be flanking.  I just need to eliminate DEX from the AC
34:30 <sir_stiletto> so if I successfully bluff someone I can use the sneak attack
35:01 <sir_stiletto> which kinda sucks because my bluff is only +1 :)
36:48 <Mekkis> yeah, but that can be hard
37:18 <Mekkis> but if you've found a way, keep it up!
37:27 <sir_stiletto> flanking is the easiest.  I need to add some alternative weapons.  I'm aiming for a duelist type
39:13 <sir_stiletto> is there an accepted/standard way of listing what we have bought but we're not carrying?  
41:38 <sir_stiletto> I bought ink, paper, etc. for a missing that required documenting.  I didn't use half of what I bought, but I don't want the weight encumbering me all the time.
41:49 <Mekkis> on my Items table that I use for my character sheets, I have a column for "location". I just put "In Almas" there.
42:09 <Mekkis> you could put "in the lodge" there instead
42:23 <Mekkis> but Mytiazair had some issues with keeping stuff in the lodge
43:10 <sir_stiletto> hmm… 
43:50 <sir_stiletto> I don't have a location, but might might put something into the weight column.  I'm using the online character sheet pfrpg.com.au
44:45 <Mekkis> ah
44:48 <Mekkis> ummm...
46:12 <Mekkis> you've illustrated why I dislike that sort of character sheet software.
46:21 <Mekkis> you could just put 0lb in the weight column
47:29 <sir_stiletto> yeah, I'm not big on it, but it seems to be a reasonable place to keep the information so others can see it, like the GM
49:36 <Mekkis> I just use a text-based character sheet - actually, it's an export from the LaTeX character sheet I use
50:40 <sir_stiletto> how important is it for others to be able to see the sheet?
51:01 <sir_stiletto> otherwise I'll whip up something on my computer
53:15 <Mekkis> it's useful... but as I said, you can just upload a standard text file
54:45 <sir_stiletto> do you have an example of a "standard" text file?
55:44 <sir_stiletto> I'm a serious computer geek.  dedicating 40 hours to something that does everything I want and then generates a "standard" text file would be something I do all the time. :)
55:55 <Mekkis> oh
56:02 <Mekkis> have you used LaTeX?
56:34 <Mekkis> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=285
56:42 <Mekkis> that's a generated text file
57:39 <sir_stiletto> nice
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58:03 <sir_stiletto> yeah, I used LaTeX a lot in the past.  moved on to other stuff over the last 10 years or so
58:18 <sir_stiletto> lots of LaTeX in the early to mid 90's though
01:27 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/deceased.tar.gz
01:33 <Mekkis> that's the character sheet I use
01:48 <Mekkis> it creates three sheets from the one input
02:36 <Mekkis> (it's also the worst piece of LaTeX butchery I've seen)
04:23 <sir_stiletto> ah, it doesn't look any worse than half the stuff I played with.  you don't what to know what some english professor did in my college when he discovered LaTeX.  definitely wasn't a "structured programmer"
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05:53 <sir_stiletto> actually I just started searching to see if there was a REST interface for the data… I was hopeful, but I'm not finding anything.
06:57 <Mekkis> I particularly like the \newcommand{\skill}[6] { bit...
07:05 <Mekkis> REST?
08:31 <sir_stiletto> easily programmable HTTP interface.  nice to layer onto a database to share data to other applications.
09:18 <sir_stiletto> sorry, I'm an uber geek.  my boss is even trying to officially get me that title for work.  I've been using/programming/administering computers for 32 years now.  
09:59 <sir_stiletto> I'm an old school unix geek.  I even have the long hair and beard to prove it.  all I need are the suspenders and I'm a stereotype… 
10:24 <Mekkis> probably not: I think Ballig coded his own stuff for the site. My coding is more in line with "getting an RTOS to start loading on a new type of microcontroller" rather than getting a website to talk to a database
11:02 <sir_stiletto> I scale to just about every level, although I haven't played with a micro controller for a little over 10 years
13:11 <sir_stiletto> the last time I did that we were programming an autonomous John Deere Gator.  multiple microcontrollers hooking into the various drive systems.  I was the architect for the interfaces between the physical engineers (designing the microcontrollers and their interfaces) and the AI developers trying to make the thing drive itself.
14:06 <sir_stiletto> kind of fun when one of the AI developers forgets the negative sign in the decelerate function so it just keeps accelerating until it runs out of gas
14:16 <Mekkis> heh
14:25 <Mekkis> there was no watchdog?
14:49 <Mekkis> or was "not stopping" not a watchdog condition?
15:40 <sir_stiletto> it wasn't a condition.  basically there wasn't any way to reduce the control for gas going to the engine
16:13 <sir_stiletto> so it opened up completely, and the physical break wasn't strong enough to fight a wide open accellerator
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16:49 <sir_stiletto> two different controllers, one for the accelerator and one for the brake. 
16:55 <Mekkis> ah
16:58 <Wrothmonk> so you had to wait for it to run out of gas?
17:06 <sir_stiletto> it ran in a circle for three hours.
17:10 <Wrothmonk> XD
17:19 <sir_stiletto> that was also when we learned that experimenting with a full tank wasn't really a good idea
17:33 <Wrothmonk> You filled up the entire tank...
17:41 <Wrothmonk> or was it somebody else that decided that
17:50 <sir_stiletto> fortunately the remote control to override steering worked
18:00 <Mekkis> with no way of physically blocking the flow
18:00 <Wrothmonk> Thats something.
18:12 <sir_stiletto> I don't think we ever talked about it, and the guy prepping the thing for the first test just filled it upl
18:23 <Mekkis> I imagine once it ran out of fuel, that caused different problems?
18:45 <sir_stiletto> not really, it just ground to a halt and I rebooted the AI computer
18:53 <Wrothmonk> well if the controls were hooked into the car battery I'd imagine they would run out of power.
19:03 <sir_stiletto> that reset everything so we could put a little gas in it and take it back inside
19:04 <Mekkis> ah. It wasn't a diesel
19:15 <sir_stiletto> nope, straight normal gas.
19:48 <sir_stiletto> Diesel was an option, but it required better micro controllers for the systems and they weren't ready yet.  I never really understood that.
19:58 <sir_stiletto> why the diesel was harder to manage that is
20:03 <Wrothmonk> I've watched enough mythbusters to know you do not fill the entire tank when experimenting with cars.
20:13 <Mekkis> simple: diesel doesn't burn as easily
20:14 <Wrothmonk> :P
20:33 <Mekkis> so you need more Stuff in order to get it to burn properly in an engine
20:50 <sir_stiletto> yeah, but we were working at a higher level than that.  all of the micro controllers were issuing commands on the bus to existing systems
20:55 <Mekkis> ah
22:28 <sir_stiletto> the micro controllers were all taking the place of manual controls.  basically just a simple chip and the actuators or buss commands that were normally used for that specific thing.  I suspect the real engineers hadn't gotten around to some of the finer buss commands or something
22:47 <sir_stiletto> sorry, I'm geeing out again.
22:50 <sir_stiletto> geeking
23:16 <Mekkis> that's cool. It happens from time to time in a channel named #d&d
23:22 <sir_stiletto> :)
24:09 <sir_stiletto> and Wrothmonk… most of this happened when you were half the age you are now, so it predates myth busters… :)
24:30 <Wrothmonk> ah.
25:03 <Mekkis> I thought it's more "never test an error condition you don't know how to handle"
25:22 <Mekkis> (which, incidentally, is the best response to the question "do you think I'm an idiot?")
25:44 <sir_stiletto> lol
26:43 <sir_stiletto> in lots of the code I've written I have my OMG exception.  it means that I've gotten to a condition that I thought was impossible.  back before I was using exception handling it was the ID 10 T 
26:57 <Mekkis> one delta ten tango
27:03 <sir_stiletto> :)
27:44 <Mekkis> a technique I learned from nethack is to call a function named impossible(char*);
27:55 <Mekkis> I need to level up my cleric. Turns out Kernigahn hasn't bought anything since I made him...
28:24 <sir_stiletto> yeah, that's what I'm doing with Rysh.  I have spent very little since creation, so I have some cash
28:33 <sir_stiletto> looking into lots of options.
28:34 <Wrothmonk> XD I just got that...
29:01 <Mekkis> Kernigahn's hit 4th level
29:12 <sir_stiletto> oh wow
29:19 <Wrothmonk> 0.O
29:24 <sir_stiletto> yeah, there might be couple things that might be nice to have
29:35 <sir_stiletto> :)  since I'm wrestling with lots of options right now...
29:36 <Mekkis> I can't actually find any
29:41 <Mekkis> 3900gp
29:46 <Mekkis> and nothing seems appealing
29:53 <Wrothmonk> get some +1s to weapons or armor
29:58 <sir_stiletto> Traveller's Any-tool.  
30:13 <Mekkis> Kernigahn doesn't really use weapons
30:23 <Mekkis> he has a masterwork flagpole
30:31 <sir_stiletto> it's not a weapon.. it's any tool that you might need
31:16 <sir_stiletto> I'm seriously thinking about getting one and then seeing how absurd of stuff I can get away with
31:59 <sir_stiletto> "really, I can turn it into a 10 ft. ladder"  "sure, it's an iron pot"  "of course it can be a 25' pole with a mirror on the end"
32:15 <Mekkis> I know. Itzamna has "The Fraudster's guide to the Lawful Good Alignment. For when the Straight and Narrow's too thin."
32:35 <Mekkis> (aka UMD tool: +2 to UMD to emulate the LG alignment)
32:36 <Wrothmonk> XD
33:22 <sir_stiletto> one of the best games I ever ran involved a person who always played neutral or evil characters.  I forced him to run a LG Paladin and he played it up to the hilt.  to the point where he attacked other team members who were going to kill an unconscious npc.
33:35 <Mekkis> that can be fun
33:39 <Wrothmonk> :p
33:56 <Wrothmonk> Cant attack other players in PFS :(
34:24 <sir_stiletto> that's based on the assumption that everyone is following a generally "good" behavior.  
34:47 <sir_stiletto> there's lots of players to would pick an alignment and then act like they were chaotic evil and do whatever they wanted
36:11 <Mekkis> there's the Don't Be A Jerk rule
37:40 <Mekkis> that being said, Some Characters are slavers, which isn't entirely good
37:58 <sir_stiletto> really?  I missed that someplace
39:01 <Mekkis> but it's not, arguably, evil
39:07 <Mekkis> which is the whole point
39:50 <sir_stiletto> yeah, at one point in time it was an acceptable profession
40:08 <Wrothmonk> Show him the spirit of freedom business cards
40:11 <Wrothmonk> :P
41:07 <Mekkis>  http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/Card-Deceased.pdf ?
41:20 <Wrothmonk> yup
41:49 <sir_stiletto> what is that?
42:42 <Wrothmonk> One of mekkis' characters (deceased estate) is part of a group of slave traders who use their boat the "spirit of freedom" to trade.
43:10 <Mekkis> actually, Spirit of Freedom is the flagship
43:13 <Wrothmonk> The bird is the andoran symbol (who's goal is "freedom and democracy for all") which normally carries a sword.
43:20 <Mekkis> There's also The Silver Corsair
44:50 <sir_stiletto> so discrete trade of someone else's livestock
45:18 <Mekkis> more discrete trade of human livestock
45:47 <sir_stiletto> ah
45:52 <sir_stiletto> even better.  
46:19 <Mekkis> as in, no gnomes or elves. Slips (halflings) have to go in smaller crates
46:43 <sir_stiletto> :)  wow
46:54 <Mekkis> it seems that everywhere the Pathfinder Society sends us, there are humans trying to kill us, and crates.
47:03 <Mekkis> so, we put two and two together
47:11 <Wrothmonk> XD
47:15 <sir_stiletto> :)
47:34 <Wrothmonk> We all got a good kick out of the andoran symbol being on there.
47:45 <Mekkis> carrying a crate
47:59 <Wrothmonk> You should put an eye peeking out of that little black spot
48:47 <sir_stiletto> or a leg hanging out of the crate
49:04 <Wrothmonk> legs a bit obvius.
49:13 <Wrothmonk> obvious*
49:22 <sir_stiletto> yeah, but I've always lacked subtlety 
49:31 <Wrothmonk> and yet you play a rogue.
49:43 <sir_stiletto> subtle assassin… 
50:10 <Mekkis> that black spot's not supposed to be there
52:02 <sir_stiletto> ok, the pfs guide says +1 weapons until the always available is 2000GP + 300 for the master work weapon + item cost. 
52:21 <Mekkis> correct
52:28 <sir_stiletto> what's the point since 300 + item cost gives +1 weapons?  or is this a magical +2 
52:43 <Wrothmonk> it adds a different type of +1
52:51 <sir_stiletto> ?
53:01 <Mekkis> a +1 weapon is magical
53:07 <Wrothmonk> weapons get a plus to attack for masterwork, attack and damage for +1 and magical
53:17 <Wrothmonk> armor gets a +1 ac
53:43 <Wrothmonk> mast work just reduces the armor check penalty
54:15 <sir_stiletto> ok, thanks
54:48 <Mekkis> but getting a +1 weapon is generally a very good idea
54:57 <Mekkis> if you plan on using your weapon, that is
55:12 <sir_stiletto> yeah, I'm thinking about a pair of masterwork daggers right now
55:34 <Wrothmonk> you can upgrade later at just 2000 gp for weapons
55:39 <Wrothmonk> once they are masterwork
56:07 <sir_stiletto> with everything else on my character I would have two attacks per round +3 to hit on both and 1d4+1d8+4 for damage
56:41 <Wrothmonk> +4?
56:42 <sir_stiletto> oops, sorry, that's assuming sneak attack
56:54 <Wrothmonk> I thought you had a +3 str mod
57:07 <sir_stiletto> no weapon finesse
57:11 <Wrothmonk> Ah
57:23 <sir_stiletto> so that +4 DEX applies :)
57:33 <Wrothmonk> you should get duelist as a prestige class.
57:42 <sir_stiletto> that's where I'm heading
57:43 <Wrothmonk> When you qualify that is.
57:55 <Mekkis> you only get two attacks on a full-attack, so sure
58:18 <Mekkis> weapon finesse doesn't let you add dex to damage
58:20 <Mekkis> only to-hit
59:52 <sir_stiletto> I'm remembering something wrong then
02:11 <sir_stiletto> I thought there was a feat that would get me there though.  I'll have to go look at my notes
03:14 <sir_stiletto> I'm still cleaning my sheet up again with the combat stats.  I hit calculate when I did the skills and forgot that screws up my weapon finesse
03:40 <Mekkis> that's the problem with sheets that try and do too much, but do it wrong
04:16 <sir_stiletto> yeah, it messed me up when I built the character and I forgot.  instead of having one button they should have multiple for the different sections
05:36 <sir_stiletto> so I'm rereading the combat section to make sure I remember what I need to adjust… :-P
07:02 <Wrothmonk> it probably could be changed so you would have control over what stats it pulled from where.
07:41 <sir_stiletto> basically what's missing the the meta rules like Weapon Finesse.  That's just a text box so it can't adjust when there is a change to the basic rules.
09:26 <Mekkis> I'd rather something that didn't try anything like that
13:32 <sir_stiletto> it depends.  if it's complete then it's great.  the problem is making it complete.
13:58 <Mekkis> I've been told herolab is "complete"
14:01 <sir_stiletto> so the next solution is to break things into sections where it can be complete in a section without being complete everywhere
14:15 <Mekkis> it's also expensive
14:30 <Mekkis> so I haven't tried it
15:38 <sir_stiletto> never heard of it until now.  that's the reason I was looking for a database though.  it wouldn't be hard to build something that is reasonably complete (i.e. complete on the simple sections) if there was a usable database to work from.
16:08 <Mekkis> there is. Ballig just doesnt ive access :P
16:43 <sir_stiletto> I've always built my own tools.  although here it's no where nearly as important.  with the prebuilt modules it makes it a lot easier.  when I was trying to build 20 NPCs for a game having something that did all the math was useful
16:47 <Mekkis> (if you want a character sheet generator that DOES give access to a database, there's one at http://nl.ti4200.info/profiler )
17:27 <Mekkis> (feel free to give me patches to improve it: my php skills are "I read a tutorial and managed to make some changes without breaking everything")
18:25 <sir_stiletto> I might look it over but I despise PHP.  it's a really nasty language to work in.
19:25 <Mekkis> my website experience is based on stuff I did in 1995. Where .html was the way to go
20:02 <sir_stiletto> it still is really.  just now you use javascript in the HTML and have it talking with a real server application.  
20:27 <sir_stiletto> PHP is a halfway language that doesn't really get any part of it right because it tried to do everything
20:38 <Mekkis> ah, javascript. Famous because it a) isn't java; and b) isn't a scripting language
23:32 <sir_stiletto> what do you expect?  it was named JavaScript because they wanted to play off the two most popular technologies at the time, Java for serious coding and scripting languages because they were easy to learn.  it was named by a marketer.
24:08 <sir_stiletto> php is the pretty html preprocessor.  it was supposed to be a simple scripting language embedded in html on the server
29:41 <Mekkis> I know
34:50 <Mekkis> I've been using a lot of gas today
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53:04 <Mekkis> !spell commune with nature
53:17 <diebot> Mekkis, COMMUNE WITH NATURE divination ([]) druid 5, ranger 4 10 minutes Range: personal you Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save:  SR:
53:17 <diebot> You become one with nature, attaining knowledge of the surrounding territory. You instantly gain knowledge of as many as three facts from among the following subjects: the ground or terrain, plants, minerals, bodies of water, people, general animal population, presence of woodland creatures, presence of powerful unnatural creatures, or even the
53:18 <diebot> general state of the natural setting. In outdoor settings, the spell operates in a radius of 1 mile per caster level. In natural underground settings--caves, caverns, and the like--the spell is less powerful, and its radius is limited to 100 feet per caster level. The spell does not function where nature has been replaced by construction or
53:18 <diebot> settlement, such as in dungeons and towns.
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14:23 <Mort-> Wrothmonk your dad is so cool
14:39 <Mort-> And he's a rogue. Imagine that!
15:18 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I'm surprised he didn't do sorcerer.
15:59 <Mort-> He wanted to diversify
16:08 <Mort-> Are you playing in the same games as him?
16:14 <Mort-> Did he ask you what i am?
16:30 <Mort-> I hope i didn't embarass you though
19:29 <Mekkis> what? a lemur?
21:44 <Mort-> I told him i was a lemur.
22:02 <Mekkis> "I want to be remembered with happiness, not sadness"
22:14 <Mort-> Because i licked wrothmonk. Its a tbd odd
22:15 <Mekkis> "But so many of your actions cause people to run screaming in terror"
22:22 <Mort-> What?
22:28 <Mort-> Me?
22:29 <Mekkis> "Those can be happy memories, depending on which side of the terror you're on"
22:38 <Mort-> Oh lol
22:51 <Mort-> I mean i haven't made anyone run away in terror
23:17 <Mekkis> YES YOU HAVE!
23:49 <Mekkis> remember your synthesist/rogue/cheese with blade of mercy, enforcer and whatever other cheese you were using?
25:09 <Mort-> Oh what that?
25:18 <Mort-> I mean i didn't kill anyone..?
25:33 <Mekkis> I think that's pretty much the definition of "making people run away in terror"
25:43 <Mort-> Oh lol. I forgot.
25:57 * Mort- is an absentminded mur
26:13 <Mekkis> what happened to that character?
26:24 <Mort-> Somewhere around
26:46 * Mort- flips tail idly
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33:01 <Mekkis> what should my sorcerer get?
33:51 <Mekkis> items
38:14 <Mort-> Cookies
38:24 <Mort-> Ring of spell knowledge
38:39 <Mekkis> cookies require flour, which is 2cp a pound
38:44 <Mort-> Robes of eldritch heritige
38:46 <Mekkis> and eggs, which aren't listed!
38:56 <Mort-> Cookies are for summoning murs
38:58 <Mekkis> !item Robes of eldritch heritige
39:04 <diebot> Mekkis, ROBES OF ARCANE HERITAGE [moderate necromancy] CL:9 body 16000gp, 1lb
39:04 <diebot> These elegant, dark purple and royal blue robes are usually decorated with gold stitching depicting a sorcerer bloodline, though some indicate a family tree. The stitching changes to match the sorcerer bloodline of the wearer. The wearer treats her sorcerer level as 4 higher than normal for the purpose of determining what bloodline powers she can
39:04 <diebot> use and their effects. Source: APG
39:24 <Mort-> Ah sorry :p
39:40 <Mekkis> he's 4th levle
40:01 <Mekkis> I could just headband of charisma
40:16 <Mekkis> to make his Hideous Laughter something stupid like DC21 at CL5
40:16 <Mort-> Headband of alluring charisma
40:50 <Mort-> Why is it i never have enough money to buy nice stuff
40:50 <Mort-> And you do :(
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41:04 <Mort-> Hi wrothmonk
41:29 <Wrothmonk> Hello
41:34 <Mort-> You should give murs cookies
41:39 <Mekkis> because you waste all your money on the "obvious" boring stuff
42:02 * Mort- holds out a pendant in front of mekkis and starts to oscilate it
42:10 <Mort-> Like?
42:16 * Mekkis grabs the pendant
42:33 * Mekkis pulls out an adamantine scalpel
42:34 * Mort- tries to reclaim the pendant
42:44 <Mort-> Uh?
42:50 * Mekkis inscribes the symbol of Apsu on it, then hands it back
42:55 <Wrothmonk> And yes my dad has been playing the same games as me, or rather I have been playing the games he has been playing since I play a bit more.
43:03 <Wrothmonk> Nice one mekkis.
43:05 * Mort- blink blinks
43:35 * Mort- flips the pendant on the other side and starts oscilating it
44:00 <Mekkis> don't make me put Tiamat on the other side...
44:05 <Mort-> In front of mekkis
44:13 * Wrothmonk casts mage hand and uses mekkis' scalpel to inscribe Tiamat on the other side
44:14 <Mort->  You will give me cookies.
44:22 <Mekkis> hey
44:25 <Mort-> Wut!
44:25 <Wrothmonk> :P
44:26 <Mekkis> unattended object
44:41 <Wrothmonk> oh… forgot that.
44:41 * Mort- sulks
44:54 <Mekkis> maybe Asmodeus would be more appropriate
45:03 * Mort- growls
45:22 <Mort-> I can see you and mek get along fabulously
45:34 <Mekkis> what's wrong with Apsu, Mort-?
45:45 Wrothmonk is now known as Eryne
45:46 <Eryne> Nothing!
45:49 <Mort-> I don't feel called to him
45:59 <Eryne> nothing is wrong with apsu, he is perfect!
46:09 <Mort-> I don't think he approves of sneaky murs
46:26 Eryne is now known as wrothmonk
46:30 <wrothmonk> Probably not.
46:40 <Mort-> I don't feel like i would have any characters worshiping him
46:57 <Mort-> The only thing him and i have in similar is the love for travel
47:10 <Mekkis> not the love for good?
47:18 <Mort-> I don't believe in honor
47:25 <Mort-> I'm not good mek
47:34 <Mekkis> or the love for all-powerful benevolent winged beings?
47:34 <Mort-> I think at best I'm cn.
47:39 <Mort-> Worst ce
47:45 <Mort-> I don't need wings to fly
47:57 <Mort-> I have magical flight
48:10 <Mort-> Murs don't have wings
48:24 <Mort-> I said goodbye to the light side ages back
48:38 <wrothmonk> Asmodeus would be more appropriate then.
48:38 <Mekkis> when you added an e to your race?
49:01 <Mort-> I don't worship asmodeus either
49:11 <Mort-> Too lawyery. Just get to business 
49:20 <Mort-> I'm a lemur.
49:31 <Mekkis> the amount she PMs me about different torture methods...
49:48 * Mort- giggles
50:06 <wrothmonk> lemuria.
50:09 <Mekkis> I'm pretty sure that lemure is more appropriate
50:14 <Mort-> Ya
50:16 <wrothmonk> I gave you a hat.
50:19 <Mort-> Wanted to say that
50:21 <wrothmonk> :P
50:35 * Mort- puts on hat and prances in it
51:04 <Mort-> If people wanted to burn me at stake whether i fell to the dark side or not
51:24 <Mort-> I must as well embrace the darkness within. Wot?
53:51 <Mekkis> Mort-, just because people send you spam whether or not you fire an automatic weapon in a crowded street is no reason to fire an automatic weapon in a crowded street...
54:33 <wrothmonk> wait a second...
55:49 <wrothmonk> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bYFOhRNNZrU/T78YaKquzGI/AAAAAAAAAlE/UFhsj0anrx8/s1600/Madagascar_lemur.jpg is this you mort?
01:00 <Mort-> Yes wrothmonk
01:16 <wrothmonk> I can't believe i didn't catch that sooner...
01:26 <Mort-> I have 4 paws and a swishy tail
01:27 <Mort-> Lol
02:33 * Mort- paws mekkis
04:21 <Mekkis> pretty sure she's died, gone to the abyss, to rise as a lemure
04:36 <Mekkis> probably during the time she spent away from this channel
04:54 <Mort-> Lol
05:04 <Mort-> I'm still a lemur
05:10 <Mort-> No e!
08:27 <Mort-> Time to go work
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11:16 <Mekkis> how the hell can you cast Awaken in secret?
11:21 <Mekkis> it has a casting time of 24 hours!
11:37 <Mekkis> (but Animal Archive p22 says it happens!)
17:17 <Brunius> !rng ps2 wt
17:17 <diebot> Brunius, wt
17:40 <Mekkis> what's wt?
21:21 <Mekkis> oh wow
21:24 <Mekkis> this boon is amazing
21:31 <wrothmonk> ?
21:32 <Avatar> which one
21:41 <Mekkis> the one for Murder's Mark
21:47 <Avatar> what is it
21:57 <Mekkis> you get a construct!
22:18 <Avatar> like as an animal companion?
22:53 <Mekkis> no, you just need to fix it, and it's your companion. Not tied to any class
25:53 <Avatar> what if you're a druid and you have an animal companion
26:00 <Avatar> can you have an animal companion and a construct companion
26:04 <Mekkis> sure
27:47 <Mekkis> hey, get a combat-trained roc for 10000gp
28:17 <Mekkis> sorry
28:19 <Mekkis> 10800gp
29:13 <Avatar> is that legal for anyone now
30:54 <Mekkis> oh..
30:55 <Mekkis> Animals on pages 14–15 are legal for purchase except dinosaurs and megafauna (unless already allowed in this document in Bestiary 1, Bestiary 2, Bestiary 3, or Ultimate Equipment) and dire animals. Additionally, only creatures of the animal type of size Large and smaller may be purchased.
30:58 <Mekkis> last bit
31:12 <Mekkis> you CAN buy a giant vulture though
31:21 <Mekkis> 1125gp
31:40 <wrothmonk> are you sure there isn't a 0 at the end of that?
31:43 <Avatar> now we can all be munchkins
31:48 <Avatar> thanks Mekkis!
31:57 <wrothmonk> if not, rumil could get one...
32:04 <wrothmonk> :D
32:25 <Mekkis> more interested in the lion or the tiger
32:39 <wrothmonk> depends on the attacks for me.
32:47 <wrothmonk> is there any possibility of getting a bear?
32:50 <wrothmonk> :P
32:54 <Mekkis> or the Constrictor!
33:03 <wrothmonk> constrictor?
33:06 <Mekkis> snake'
33:10 <wrothmonk> ah
33:16 <wrothmonk> That could be fun.
33:26 <Mekkis> grizzly bear, 740gp
33:38 <Avatar> how did you only just realise what a great boon murder's mark has
33:43 <Avatar> that was from arcanacon
33:50 <wrothmonk> so what are the rules on purchasing animals?
34:01 <Mekkis> because I had stuff I needed to do before then
34:02 <wrothmonk> and controlling them?
34:05 <Mekkis> like level up other characters
34:10 <Mekkis> Handle Animal checks
34:12 <Mekkis> lots of them
34:17 <wrothmonk> :(
34:24 <Avatar> you were too busy to take a look at the chronicle sheet?
34:34 <Avatar> I'm finding that a bit hard to believe
34:43 <Mekkis> that was the chronicle sheet I needed to speak to the VC about
34:48 <wrothmonk> Rumil isn't getting a snake D:
34:48 <Avatar> that is like me saying "experience? what experience?"
34:57 <Mekkis> the one I was getting 2.5XP from
35:14 <Mekkis> so there was other, more important paperwork involved (than just getting a boon)
36:00 <Mekkis> Avatar, any chance you could run Devil We Know 4? I think Steven's played 3, but not 4...
36:20 <Avatar> maybe, but I'm not keen on scheduling anything for a little while
36:51 <Avatar> I can't run devil we know 2 for you on sunday
37:15 <Avatar> I completely overbooked myself this last weekend and I have other shit I need to get done
37:15 <Mekkis> I know
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37:26 <Mekkis> I'll suck it in and run two games this weekend
37:35 <Mekkis> (unless I receive a phone call)
38:22 <Mekkis> I like that picture of Seoni mishandling a platypus
39:13 <wrothmonk> that reminds me. I can't make it to devil we know pt 2 as well.
40:09 <Mekkis> looks likely that the game won't fire
40:24 <Mekkis> I'll make a decision on Wednesday/Thursday
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18:14 <Brunius> wha
18:23 <Brunius> seoni mishandling a platypus?
29:13 <Brunius> I think I remember that, actually
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33:35 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderPlayerCompanion/PZO9429-Seoni.jpg
34:24 <Brunius> Of course...
35:16 <Steven> sp
35:18 <Steven> sup
36:52 <Mekkis> I need to consolidate some chronicle sheets
37:02 <Mekkis> time to fire up Inkscape!
43:29 <Steven> no dont do it, its a tarp
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00:56 <Mekkis> Steven, if you get GM credit for First Steps 2, do you get the boon?
01:25 <Avatar> you get the boon on any game you GM
01:40 <Steven> well... now you do.
01:42 <Avatar> it's in the PFS guide
01:44 <Steven> you used to not get boons.
01:53 <Avatar> I'm pretty sure you told me that mekkis
01:53 <Mekkis> ummm
02:05 <Mekkis> if you GMed it on 2011-9-30, would you get the boon?
02:14 <Avatar> it's not retroactive
02:26 <Mekkis> that's why I'm asking
02:33 <Mekkis> I don't remember when that rule was changed
02:48 <Steven> mid 2012
02:49 <Avatar> like mid last year I think
06:48 <Brunius> Avatar, how do I torpedos
07:01 <Avatar> you just torpedos
07:22 <Brunius> Oh, is that all
07:26 <Brunius> I thought it was more complicated
07:32 <Avatar> that's all it is
08:26 <Steven> what torpedos?
08:47 <Avatar> not sure
10:51 <Mekkis> damn: I'm missing a boon
11:02 <Mekkis> ummm
11:05 <Mekkis> chronicle sheet
11:13 <Avatar> do you know which one
11:16 <Mekkis> yes
11:21 <Mekkis> echoes of the overwatched
11:33 <Avatar> brunius GM'd that didn't he
11:41 <Mekkis> he did, but not for me
11:45 <Brunius> I've DMed it in past
11:54 <Mekkis> he played it with me
12:02 <Brunius> It was one of the Geelong guys that DMed it
12:02 <Mekkis> Brunius, why don't you run it again soon?
12:09 <Mekkis> was it Ulzef?
12:16 <Brunius> Nope
12:24 <Brunius> No-one whos name I know
13:02 <Mekkis> Steven, did you end up getting that PDF?
13:08 <Avatar> better to run something you haven't GM'd before
13:44 <Avatar> I decided on taking combat trick with rapid shot for my rogue talent
13:52 <Avatar> I need to do some more damage
14:00 <Mekkis> Brunius, could you tell me what a character on slow progression would get if they played up for that scenario?
14:33 <Brunius> Don't have the pdf downloaded; give me a couple of minutes
15:58 <Mekkis> don't worry
16:00 <Mekkis> I found it
18:10 <Avatar> what tier gives 5000ish gold
18:18 <Brunius> 5-6?
18:20 <Brunius> IIRC
18:28 <Brunius> might be 8-9
18:28 <Avatar> cool
18:58 <Avatar> it is 8-9
19:06 <Avatar> ok someone has to run a 5-9 that I can uptier my level 6 guy through
19:11 <Avatar> I need 5000 gp and fast !
19:36 <Avatar> somehow I've gone 6 levels with my archaeologist and never misfired his gun
19:37 <Mekkis> Fortress of the Nail?
19:49 <Avatar> you'll kill me in fortress of the nail
20:15 <Mekkis> we finished the scenario with two combat rounds!
20:17 <Avatar> apparently blakros matrimony, the disappeared and fortress of the nail are like a trilogy
20:22 <Steven> no i havent gone over to moscow.
20:24 <Avatar> and I have completely missed the tie in
21:06 <Steven> avatar.. currently there is a bet going on
21:14 <Avatar> a bet
21:25 <Steven> would you care to enter the competition?
21:30 <Avatar> what is it
21:46 <Mekkis> but there's new information since previous bets were placed!
21:51 <Mekkis> if Avatar enters, I call foul
21:59 <Avatar> what is the bet
22:01 <Steven> shut up, if he doesnt know it, its still valid
22:10 <Avatar> what
22:13 <Steven> because he doesnt have the additional information
22:21 <Avatar> I don't have any information
22:42 <Steven> Bracers of falcons aim has recently been banned until it can be errata'd with a more reasonable price
23:14 <Mekkis> the fact that Mike Brock said what the development say the price should be
23:16 <Steven> the bet is, figuring out a reasonable price for the item.
23:23 <Mekkis> and Avatar has commented on that thread
23:34 <Steven> he did?
23:36 <Mekkis> yes
23:36 <Avatar> I have the memory of a sieve
23:40 <Avatar> I don't recall seeing a new price
23:49 <Steven> so... how much do you think they are worth?
23:51 <Avatar> I don't actually know what they do
23:54 <Avatar> sec
24:02 <Mekkis> !item bracers of falcon's aim
24:04 <diebot> Mekkis, BRACERS OF FALCON'S AIM [faint transmutation] CL:3 wrists 4000gp, 1lb
24:04 <diebot> Each of these crimson leather bracers is emblazoned with the image of a soaring golden falcon scanning the ground for easy prey. They continually grant the wearer the benefits of the aspect of the falcon spell, though without the spell's physical transformation. Source: Ultimate Equipment
24:13 <Mekkis> !spell Aspect of the falcon
24:15 <diebot> Mekkis, ASPECT OF THE FALCON transmutation (polymorph[]) druid 1, ranger 1 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 minute/level Save:  SR:
24:16 <Avatar> they reckon 4000gp is too cheap aye
24:16 <diebot> You take on an aspect of a falcon. Your eyes become wide and raptor-like, and you grow feathers on the sides of your head. You gain a +3 competence bonus on Perception checks, a +1 competence bonus on ranged attacks, and the critical multiplier for your bows and crossbows becomes 19-20/x3. This effect does not stack with any other effect that
24:16 <diebot> expands the threat range of a weapon, such as the Improved Critical feat or a keen weapon.
24:22 <Avatar> don't present more evidence
24:41 <Avatar> is this a guessing bet
24:42 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pivw&page=5?Balance#221
24:45 <Avatar> or are we meant to calculate it
24:47 <Steven> so effectively, skill focus perception, improved critical, and weapon focus.
24:55 <Steven> this is a guessing bet
25:01 <Avatar> yeah ok
25:36 <Mekkis> (note that that's in response to the post just after Brock giving his idea of the price)
25:37 <Steven> you pick a number, if you are closest to the number, you pick one other person who has also made a bet and they have to GM a game of your choosing
26:33 <Avatar> I would do it for bragging rights
27:04 <Avatar> 16000gp
27:23 <Avatar> that is probably generous
27:24 <Avatar> 18000gp
27:58 <Steven> yeah mekkis is a douche and picked one number below mine.
28:11 <Avatar> what was it
28:12 <Steven> i think you should pick 14998 to douche him!
28:19 <Avatar> ok 14998gp
28:20 <Steven> mine is 15k, his is 14999
28:28 <Steven> BOOSH! SCREW YOU MEKKIS!
28:38 <Avatar> hopefully they are 14999gp mekkis
28:55 <Steven> yeah he tried to get brunius to pick 15001
29:13 <Steven> so i would have a very slim chance to get it.
29:40 <Mekkis> I call BS
29:46 <Mekkis> as I said, Avatar has additional information
29:55 <Avatar> I didn't even know about it until you pointed it out
30:04 <Avatar> even a cursory glance after you linked it and I didn't see it
30:22 <Avatar> I was busy giving mike brock an earful 
30:33 <Avatar> you'll excuse me if they were talking about an item I didn't care about
30:46 <Steven> until the official price for the item comes out its complete speculation.
31:03 <Avatar> does anyone else have bets
31:15 <Steven> brunius, mekkis, avatar, and myself have placed bets
31:22 <Mekkis> I know, but it's got more guidance that the one I had. Also, the original bet was just between Steven and myself
31:27 <Avatar> what's brunius think
31:31 <Mekkis> I believe it was wrothmonk, not Brunius 
31:37 <Avatar> what's wrothmonk think
31:38 <Steven> yeah wroth
31:41 <Steven> 8k
32:06 <Avatar> I think they tend to try make magic items pretty overpriced in general
32:23 <Avatar> I always get a feeling like "I can't believe I'm paying this much for this one thing"
32:34 <Avatar> so for these 3 things, well...
32:43 <Avatar> in one item
33:16 <Mekkis> when was the synthesist banned?
33:29 <Avatar> the synthesist was banned....
33:29 <Steven> it was basically i pay 4k for 3 feats
33:35 <Avatar> I don't remember when the synthesist was banned
33:42 <Avatar> but I do remember that the synthesist is banned
33:51 <Brunius> what
33:57 <Brunius> why are you pinging me
34:04 <Avatar> go back to sleep
34:05 <Brunius> I didn't place any bets
34:47 <Steven> yeah i was confused... woudl you like to place a bet?
35:17 <Steven> winner picks one person in the pool to run any scenario that they want.  Eyes of the ten is off limits.
36:04 <Brunius> What is the bet on?
36:26 <Steven> the new errata'd cost of Bracers of Falcons Aim.
36:47 <Brunius> I don't have any interest in that, so no
36:54 <Avatar> it's a bet brunius!
37:00 <Avatar> just name a number
37:00 <Brunius> Fuck you, no
37:07 <Avatar> well that's rude
37:11 <Avatar> and not very sporting
37:12 <Steven> seriously right?
37:17 <Brunius> You're always trying to get me to do stuff
37:19 <Avatar> have you had a bad day
37:20 <Brunius> I'm a little bit sick of it
37:25 <Brunius> Slightly
37:28 <Avatar> relax
38:05 <Steven> sorry we want to include you on our stupid bet?
38:17 <Steven> You dont have to do it if you dont want.
38:33 <Avatar> just a correction
38:35 <Avatar> it is a sweet bet
38:45 <Avatar> as good as anything to bet on
38:46 <Steven> a stupidly sweet bet!
38:51 <Avatar> stupidly sweet!
41:38 <Steven> my bard is now level 8
41:49 <Steven> has haste, slow, and terrible remorse
41:52 <Avatar> what feats do you have
42:41 <Steven> combat expertise, weapon finesse, lingering performance,
42:49 <Steven> still have to pick my level 7 feat
43:01 <Steven> thinking butterfly sting
43:31 <Avatar> what weapon do you use
43:59 <Steven> i have like 9 weapons on the character.
44:59 <Steven> scorpion whip, rapier, heavy mace, short bow, light crossbow, Great sword, long sword, quarterstaff, Dagger
45:20 <Steven> the great sword is cold iron
45:31 <Steven> the dagger is silver
45:55 <Steven> i would use the Rapier to butterfly sting, get it keened
46:52 <Mekkis> Steven, is this legit: http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/consolidated_boon.pdf
47:55 <Steven> no.
48:27 <Steven> You could put it in with the rest as a summation of what you have, but you still have to carry all your chronicle sheets with you.
48:49 <Mekkis> sure
48:52 <Avatar> hi everyone look at my very-paizo looking chronicle sheet that I made up
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02:37 <Ulzef> bah to that
02:44 <Mort-> Its legal!
02:48 <Ulzef> tricks are better than feats most of the time
03:00 <Mort-> Eh. Up to him really
03:02 <Mort-> I rather feat
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03:14 <Steven> and GM a game with a VO or Paizo staff at your table evaluating your rules knowledge
03:24 <Ulzef> and he is looking at fighter for lvl 2 anyway
03:34 <Mort-> I just spend all my rogue talents learnmg combat trick. If i could do it more then once i would
03:42 <Mort-> Twf is nice for rogues
03:42 <sir_stiletto> yeah, adding fighter.  and the Bladed Belt looks like fun when I can get it.
03:48 <Steven> which for walter will mean Mike Brock
04:04 <Mort-> Put fighter as your first level so you get more hp :p
04:14 <Mort-> 12 as opposed to 8
04:21 <Mort-> Sorry 10
04:51 <sir_stiletto> I thought about that, but Sneak Attack as a knife master is proving very very nice
05:03 <Ulzef> ps purdy sure the rebuild isnt a rule just most gm's let it slide
05:10 <Avatar> I'm sure Mike Brock isn't quite that scary
05:13 <Steven> specials and exclusives
05:23 <Mort-> It is in the pathfinder society guide
05:23 <Steven> no he is a super cool dude
05:26 <sir_stiletto> once I combine that with twf I'll be generally happy with my low level combat skills
05:44 <Ulzef> i would go 2 knives if you are a knife master rather than rapier knife 
05:47 <Mort-> It says pfs characters are encouraged to think for the long run
05:57 <Steven> at paizocon, i was walking through the hallway as a slot was starting up
06:11 <Mort-> And as such any character that has not been played after 2 can be rebuilt
06:17 <Mort-> Its written clearly down there
06:24 <Steven> he walked out saw me and was like yo bearded man we need one more at a table will you do it? and i was like sure what game.
06:30 <Steven> it was one i had played
06:44 <Ulzef> really i had a argument with a gm here a while back about it
06:52 <Steven> and was like well looks like no credit and he was like no wait, you already played it... nah we dont want to waste your time
06:54 <Mort-> Oh he being a dick
06:55 <Ulzef> pg number?
06:56 <sir_stiletto> according to ultimate equipment I can use the rapier with weapon finesse and sneak attack as if it was light. 
07:02 <Mort-> First page
07:04 <sir_stiletto> page 10 in the guide
07:07 <Mort-> I am on cell
07:09 <Steven> and i was like, TIME FOR NO CREDIT SIR! LETS DO THIS!
07:14 <Mort-> So i can't really open book well
07:17 <sir_stiletto> 1st-level character retraining
07:21 <sir_stiletto> I just looked it up
07:22 <Mort-> Ah yes
07:24 <Mort-> Thanks
07:25 <Steven> at the end of the scenario, he gave me a boon of my choosing
07:29 <Mort-> Pg 10?
07:39 <Ulzef> yeah but if you are a knife fighter you get d8 sneak from knives and d4 from non-knives so you want kife/knife for the better sneak
07:51 <Steven> he is seriously a cool guy.
07:54 <sir_stiletto> rapier is in the list for sneak attack.
07:58 <Steven> also, likes good beer
08:11 <Mort-> Ya. Get 2 daggers
08:13 <Mort-> Or two kukris since you're a fighter whateva
08:20 <Ulzef> are you the knife master archtype?
08:24 <sir_stiletto> yeah
08:27 <Steven> also recognized me at the very end of the con and gave me a free fiction book.
08:34 <sir_stiletto> I'm going to recheck it now.  I'm interested to see
08:37 <Mort-> No but knife master states you do 1d8 with knives
08:42 <Steven> he had a box of them and was handing them out to people.
08:46 <Mort-> 1d4 using other weapons
08:48 <Steven> that were GMs
08:53 <Ulzef> then you do 1d8 every odd lvl of sneak attack with knives and 1d4 with any other weapon
08:55 <Steven> and was like hey Heres a book.
08:57 <Mekkis> what's his favourite beer?
09:02 <sir_stiletto> yeah, it does need to stay out of rapier
09:09 <Steven> and i was like, not a GM, and hes like Hey, heres a book.
09:11 <sir_stiletto> so I'll stick with my daggers
09:11 <Avatar> mekkis wants to earn the PFS co-ordinator's favour!
09:16 <Ulzef> yep
09:16 <Mort-> Please get 2 daggers
09:23 <sir_stiletto> actually I already have 4
09:24 <Brunius> He needs it, with all the stunts he's pulling
09:27 <Avatar> haha
09:28 <Brunius> Wow, I'm cynical today
09:39 <Mort-> Anyway. Ulzef. I know what I'm talking about
09:42 <sir_stiletto> I just want the TWF to let me use them in both hands
09:47 <Mort-> I'm a special kind of mur
09:47 <Steven> If you can find out his Favorite beer there are many VOs who will pay you handsomely for that information.
09:53 <Brunius> First I categorise the mining companies as evil superpowers that want us all to work for $0.10 a day
10:00 <Mort-> Why the fighter level curious
10:09 <Steven> thats not cynical... thats truth.
10:12 <Mort-> Armors?
10:12 <Mekkis> nah
10:18 <Mekkis> they actually pay very well
10:22 <Mort-> To use kukris? 
10:25 <sir_stiletto> no, mostly to level lots of combat feats
10:26 <Mort-> Rp reasons?
10:32 <Ulzef> you knida get feat starved going the two weapon fighting build
10:32 <Steven> because governments force them to pay a fair wage.
10:40 <Mekkis> not just that
10:50 <Mort-> Easy. Rebuild rules.
10:53 <Mekkis> because noone wants to work out there without a big bribe
10:56 <Ulzef> look at the two wep fighter archtype for fighter as well
10:56 <Mekkis> it's more that they want to "strip us of our resources and move on"
11:08 <Mort-> Level 1 twf level 2 finesse rogue
11:12 <sir_stiletto> where's that one?
11:15 <Brunius> To be fair, it was part of a presentation on how evil mining companies are
11:16 <Steven> the largest open pit mining operation in the world pays their employees less than a dollar a day because there is very little government interference due to bribes and what not.
11:25 <sir_stiletto> the two weapon fighter?
11:26 <Mort-> Fighter bottom page
11:33 <Mort-> Check archtypes
11:53 <Mort-> Btw a lot of people throw things at me. I'm not really sure why
12:00 <Mekkis> there are a lot of reasons to dislike mining companies in Australia. The amount they pay their employees isn't one of them
12:04 <Ulzef> apg
12:10 <Steven> anyways...
12:13 <Wrothmonk> I tend to throw a dragon eidolon at him.
12:25 <Mort-> Just use d20
12:25 <Wrothmonk> her*
12:26 <Mekkis> the fact that they keep lobbying the government to let them import workers is more of an issue
12:29 <Steven> mekkis find out his favorite beer and you could be a rich man.
12:40 <Brunius> Yeah, that's pretty annoying
12:47 <Mort-> Lol
12:54 <Mekkis> should I get him drunk and ask him, Steven?
12:59 <Mort-> I have a variety of faults
13:06 <Mort-> I punt gnomes.
13:14 <Wrothmonk> Not mine.
13:19 <Mort-> I am too fond of cookies
13:28 <Mort-> And some people say I'm cheesy
13:38 <Wrothmonk> and you hate dragons.
13:54 <Mort-> Probably some say I'm stark raving mad of course
13:55 <Ulzef> people call me cheesy as well
13:55 <Steven> if you could get him drunk...
14:13 <Ulzef> but thats ok because i love cheese
14:17 <Mort-> Once you get close to one you never want to see it again
14:24 <Mort-> I get irritated
14:24 <Mekkis> my favourite beer is stuff without hops, that's been distilled, then packed in wooden casks for eighteen years...
14:30 <Mort-> Because its all on the rules
14:32 <DrMuhammudAwaz> ddddddddddddddddddd n dddddddddddddddddddd
14:36 <DrMuhammudAwaz> dynamittttttttttttttt
14:41 <Mort-> I know my rules
14:44 <DrMuhammudAwaz> yo party fockerst
14:51 <DrMuhammudAwaz> guess whos
14:56 <DrMuhammudAwaz> in da house?
15:09 <DrMuhammudAwaz> D R   J C 
15:10 <DrMuhammudAwaz> D R   J C 
15:17 <Wrothmonk> ...
15:21 <Mort-> Uh oh i think its time to call forsomeone
15:25 <DrMuhammudAwaz> im gonna turn up my music
15:27 <Wrothmonk> Mekkis?
15:35 <DrMuhammudAwaz> and start headbanging
15:41 <DrMuhammudAwaz> ddddddddddddddddddd n dddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
15:43 <Ulzef> already text avatar
15:58 <DrMuhammudAwaz> u dorks gonna join the party?
16:10 <DrMuhammudAwaz> im choofin fokkers
16:22 <DrMuhammudAwaz> i got lotsa pussy around
16:28 <sir_stiletto> two-weapon warrior looks very cool for my character concept… :-)
16:33 <DrMuhammudAwaz> and im gonna fuk em all
17:57 <DrMuhammudAwaz> ddddddddddddddddddddd n DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
18:06 <DrMuhammudAwaz> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
18:12 * DrMuhammudAwaz pulls out his cock
18:41 <DrMuhammudAwaz> in da house tonight mudda fukkas
20:11 <DrMuhammudAwaz> can i wipe my creamy cock juiced cock on yourheads when i pull it out of this pussy?
20:27 <DrMuhammudAwaz> ddddddddddddddd n DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd
20:32 <DrMuhammudAwaz> yoooooooooooooooo
20:36 <DrMuhammudAwaz> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:39 <DrMuhammudAwaz> ddddddddddddddd n DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd
20:47 <DrMuhammudAwaz> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
20:48 <Wrothmonk> gah why is the ignore button not working!!!
21:13 <DrMuhammudAwaz> coz u need to partay nerd
21:38 <DrMuhammudAwaz> ddddddddddddddd n DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDddd
21:40 <DrMuhammudAwaz> dynamiteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
22:11 <Steven> my favorite beer is the oatmeal stout my brother makes
22:12 <DrMuhammudAwaz> im fuking pussy n head bangin at the same time
22:25 <Brunius> my favorite beer is null
27:01 <Ulzef> good
27:07 <Wrothmonk> Yes
28:45 <Mort-> Phew
33:50 <Avatar-> anyone about
34:09 <sir_stiletto> so how do hit points work when multi classing? 
34:15 <sir_stiletto> hi Avatar
34:21 <Avatar-> add them up
34:24 <Ulzef> yeah
34:37 <Avatar-> is he still around
34:43 <Ulzef> nah he left
34:51 <Avatar-> ok
34:55 <sir_stiletto> no I mean which of the two choices do I add?
34:56 <Ulzef> spamed for a bit then we ignored him and he left
35:17 <Wrothmonk> whichever you are taking a level in
35:25 <sir_stiletto> if I was a fighter going to second level I would get +6.  if I was a rogue it would be +5
35:35 <sir_stiletto> ok, so taking the first level in fighter means +6
36:00 <Avatar-> yeah first level hp from your first class
36:26 <Avatar-> ongoing hp for ongoing levels for the class taken in that level
36:34 <sir_stiletto> cool
36:36 <Avatar-> gotta go
38:21 <Mort-> First level in fighter you get full hp
38:23 <Mort-> Of 10
38:45 <Mort-> First level characters always start with full hp
38:50 <Mort-> Or a cat would kill you
39:29 <sir_stiletto> that's ok, a haunt almost killed me in my second module… 
41:26 <Mort-> Yes it happens. Didn't anyone tell you not to look down a well?
41:52 <sir_stiletto> actually it was just a knife moving on a table.  I assumed invisible… :-P
42:16 <Mort-> Oh it could have been an imp.
42:17 <Mort-> Maybe.
42:43 <Mort-> Or not. You attack you break invis
43:02 <Wrothmonk> It wasn't an invisible creature.
43:13 <Wrothmonk> it was just a cursed knife.
43:17 <Mort-> I hope you calculated your attack properly though
43:22 <Mort-> Sorry your hp
43:31 <Mort-> You should have full hp at level 1
43:47 <Wrothmonk> He did, it wouldn't matter if it was a barbarian though.
43:51 <sir_stiletto> yeah, I got the HP correct for level 1.  just making sure I know what to add for level 2
43:55 <Mort-> Ah k
44:03 <Mort-> That much damage?
44:05 <Mort-> Gee.
44:10 <Mort-> I hate haunts
44:23 <Mort-> Most of my characters can't do shit about them
44:28 <Wrothmonk> it was a coup de grace.
44:35 <Mort-> Oh dear
44:38 <Mort-> He didn't die?
44:45 <Mort-> That's surprising
44:50 <Wrothmonk> Well he did but the gm had played it wrong
44:55 <Wrothmonk> so he didnt
45:01 <Mort-> 10+damage done
45:20 <Mort-> I study the fine art of coup de gras
45:38 <Wrothmonk> You will have to talk to avatar about it I believe, he ran it.
45:47 <Mort-> Great. Now i have another title to add. Assasin.
46:07 <Mort-> But in my true form I'm a magical sneaky mur
46:28 <Wrothmonk> Go jump off a building into a hay cart, I want to know if it worked. :P
46:45 <Mort-> Sneaky as in. Will stay 20 ft or further from a fight
47:00 <Mort-> To cdg need to be helpless
47:07 <Mort-> Unless he got slept
47:32 <Mort-> Or knocked out. In which the damage should have killed him
47:41 <Mort-> There is colour spray.
47:53 <Mort-> Flatfooted won't do it
48:04 <Wrothmonk> basically it was two saves, will and fort
48:21 <Wrothmonk> if you failed those and the party didn't intervene you died
48:31 <Mort-> Even if you're unconscious on that turn you need full round to cdg
48:33 <Mort-> Yes
48:42 <Mort-> So you have 2 turns to react
48:44 <Wrothmonk> the gm did it wrong and the party should have gotten a chance but they didnt.
48:51 <Mort-> Ah k
49:06 <Mort-> You can't cdg on the round he goes down
49:38 <Mort-> Its quite hard arranging it but i think I've got a solution now
50:01 <Mort-> But we will check the practical when i reach level 7
50:42 <Mort-> Also another cute thing. Haunts are fear effects
51:10 <Mort-> So a pally could walk into a haunted house and say what? Haunted? There's nothing wrong here!
51:24 <Mort-> Then take a nap there without anything happening to him
51:33 <Wrothmonk> lol.
51:55 <Mort-> I don't think it protects him from haunts with physical effects though
52:34 <Mort-> But rules are a little fuzzy on that
52:50 <Mort-> If a haunts effect was to make the person stick a sword into himself
53:02 <Mort-> The pally would be immune to it definitely
53:10 <Mort-> He wouldn't even see the haunt
53:48 <Mort-> But if the haunts effect was an aoe earthquake..I'm not sure how pally immunities would work out
54:15 <sir_stiletto> they would float with grace
54:22 <Mort-> God knows
54:28 <Mort-> Never came across that situation
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06:26 <Mort-> Oh hi
06:26 <Avatar> are you surprised to find us
06:26 <Mort-> No. I was trying to hypnotise mekkis for cookies
06:26 <Mort-> Also I've heard you found a rack
06:26 <Mort-> Want some suggestions?
06:26 <Avatar> oh mort
06:26 <Avatar> there is a way to get a tail as a human in PFS
06:28 <Avatar> I think
06:29 <Mort-> Yes yes?
06:54 <Mort-> Racial heritige kitsune?
07:00 <Avatar> that's it I think
07:12 <Avatar> I saw that and I thought YEP THATS MORT
07:24 <Mort-> Haha. Id like that
07:54 <Mort-> Maybe my next character will be a sylvan sorb
07:54 <Mort-> Sorc.
07:54 <Mort-> With a tail
11:39 <Mort-> And i shall have a badger.
11:39 <Mort-> Mebbe. But back to the rack
11:40 <Steven> sup.
11:40 <Steven> im back
11:40 <Avatar> I'm not 100% sure it's legal
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19:00 <Steven> kitsune are not legal without a boon
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25:02 <Mekkis> I still want an oracle with the druid spell list
26:58 <Mort-> I want to have a wizards spell list
26:59 * Mort- is a magic mur
30:29 <Mekkis> still making ramen
30:33 <Mekkis> takes ages...
30:44 <Steven> mort if you want to get yourself a tail on a human you gonna have to disguise tht you have a tail as there is no legal way for you to grow one currently.
31:32 <Mekkis> I hope that Kitsune boons don't pop up around Australia
31:36 <Mort-> Easy. Hat of disguise. Kitsune form
31:45 <Mort-> Matter settled
31:47 <Mort-> Got issue?
31:48 <Mort-> Greater hat of disguise
31:48 <Mekkis> AFAIK, if you want one, your best chance is Sydney :)
32:03 <Mort-> I can't fly to auzzie land
32:11 <Steven> I have a kitsune bonus
32:15 <Steven> boon even
32:21 <Mort-> Would darkwhite believe me if i told him i had paws and a tail?
32:37 <Mort-> 4 paws in fact
33:22 <Steven> probably not
34:11 <Mekkis> Mort-, I believe you already told him
34:13 <Mekkis> let me check
34:22 <Mort-> Oh oh!
34:42 <Mort-> He did say he believed me right?
36:43 <Mekkis> Apr 11 23:03:44 <Mort-> Does darkwhite have horns. Claws. And tail?
36:44 <Mekkis> hehe
37:23 <Mort-> But did i tell him i have a tail?
37:28 <Mort->  And 4 paws?
51:23 <Mekkis> not sure
56:57 <Mort-> See.
57:03 <Steven> see what?
57:19 <Mort-> I won't know if darkwhite will believe me
58:28 <Steven> why not send him an email
05:31 <Steven> better to find out before you go.
10:00 <Mort-> I believe in myself
10:09 <Mort-> All that really matters
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11:25 <Steven> and here i thought the rules were what matter
15:36 <Mekkis> Steven, Question.
16:31 <Mekkis> I'm trying to decide whether to houserule the Iron Circlet's version of Disguise Self should always disguise the wearer as a Humanoid....
16:52 <Steven> its your home brew man, do whatever ya want
17:14 <Steven> i mean you already house ruled no swift action wands
17:40 <Steven> the spring loaded wrist sheath thing.
21:21 <Steven> i went and looked at disguise self, you cannot change your creature type
21:32 <Steven> so, we could never change from a humanoid
26:50 <Mekkis> the problem is that kapow's character is an Outsider (native)
29:01 <Mort-> Say it turns you into a human
29:28 <Mort-> Else next he will turn into some kind of many clawed bodak or something
30:49 <Mekkis> a bodak is undead, iirc
32:05 <Mort-> I'm sure there are nice demons
32:10 <Mort-> Or devils
32:28 <Mort-> Maybe even a shadow demon
32:42 <Mort-> Or a marlith(think too big though)
33:53 <Steven> there is at least ONE CG Bearded Devil
35:54 <Mort-> Probably someones magic jaring him
36:01 <Mort-> How did he get cg
36:05 <Steven> we summoned one and had it put on a crown of opposite alignment
36:12 <Mort-> or got cursed go that body
36:22 <Mort-> Lol
36:51 <Mort-> That's amusing
38:58 <Steven> yeah, we summon him all the time
39:21 <Steven> mostly when we are fighting devils
40:13 <Mort-> What does he do
40:19 <Mort-> Smite evil?
40:30 <Mekkis> really?
40:32 <Mekkis> in PFS?
40:54 <Mekkis> can you tell Deceased his Truename?
41:46 <Mort-> It won't work in pfs
43:42 <Mekkis> I'm not sure if there's a crown of opposite alignment in PFS
43:50 <Mekkis> I know there's a belt of gender changing
43:56 <Mekkis> Mytiazair almost put it on
47:01 <Steven> Mekkis i would be glad to run the scenario where that happens.
47:37 <Mekkis> well... Avatar won't play it if I run it...
47:54 <Steven> i mean... i'd kill like all of you...
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52:41 <mib_hh7sfk> so how does one get invited to a game?
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58:44 <Steven> alright back
58:53 <Steven> wow... nobody messaged the newbbie
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06:24 <Steven> How do you guys ever expect to grow the community if nobody talks to new people?
08:58 <Mekkis> should I get diebot to respond to common questions?
09:31 <Steven> probably not
09:49 <Mekkis> I was thinking about programming First Steps 1 into diebot :)
11:47 <Mekkis> so... Day of the Demon on Wednesday
14:35 <Steven> hmmm... so on tuesday
15:17 <Mekkis> yeah
15:35 <Steven> yeah no.
16:18 <Mekkis> what's the best usage of one of those Image spells (silent image/minor image etc) you've seen?
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21:09 <Steven> I made an image of a dude in a prison cell while we snuck him out
21:39 <Mekkis> how long did you remain concentrating?
23:17 <Steven> just long enough to get him back onto my ship
23:36 <Mekkis> ah
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25:40 <Steven> yeah the dude was about to get killed, we brought him a whore
25:57 <Mekkis> ah
26:00 <Mekkis> fair enough
26:06 <Mekkis> any other usages you've seen?
26:15 <Steven> dalsine affair
29:15 <Mekkis> in 2009, a wizard cast a silent image of a thick cloud of fog over the enemies
29:24 <Mekkis> there were a lot of rogues in the party
29:42 <Mekkis> and we shared a language other than common
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33:23 <Steven> so...
33:40 <Mekkis> so?
33:45 <Mekkis> lots of sneak attacks then
33:48 <Steven> thick cloud imparting concealment
33:59 <Mekkis> to those who fail their saves
34:12 <Mekkis> our guys didn't
34:22 <Steven> you still see the illusion
34:37 <Mekkis> really?
34:39 <Mekkis> cool!
34:44 <Mekkis> are you sure?
34:51 <Steven> yeah
35:10 <Steven> the illusion doesnt disappear just because you know its not real
35:30 <Mekkis> so if I create an illusion that a corridor's been filled with, say stone...
35:43 <Mekkis> people can choose to walk through it, if they make their saves
35:50 <Mekkis> but they can't see anything inside it?
36:39 <Steven> it takes on a semi transparent form
37:04 <Mekkis> so if I made my save and they didn't, they'd be unaware and thus flat-footed?
37:44 <Steven> i would rule it would take 50% miss chance down to 20% because it still looks foggy
38:56 <Mekkis> I suppose the reason figments aren't used much is that there's so much table variation
38:58 <Mekkis> would you agree?
39:28 <Steven> yeah, a lot
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39:55 <Mekkis> I did some analysis
40:16 <Mekkis> Why does Transmutation get so heavily favoured when it comes to wizard spells?
40:49 <Steven> cause its fucking AWESOME!
41:02 <Mekkis> no, I mean...
41:32 <Mekkis> first level wizard spells:
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","abjuration","13"
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","conjuration","15"
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","divination","10"
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","enchantment","11"
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","evocation","7"
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","illusion","12"
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","necromancy","10"
41:35 <Mekkis> "1","transmutation","46"
41:57 <Mekkis> there are 46 transmutation spells, and every other school has 15 or less
42:26 <Mort-> Hydralaptop!
42:28 <Mekkis> and it's like that at every level
42:33 <Mekkis> except for 0, 8 and 9
42:47 <Mekkis> (for wizard spells, this is)
42:48 <Mort-> I haven't done transmutation
43:07 <Mort-> I may look into it if i get to higher levels
43:37 <Mort-> How awesome is it to say i turn into a red dragon. Breathe fire on you then full attack :d
43:55 <Hydralaptop> ?
44:01 <Mort-> Yay!
44:08 <Mekkis> hmmm
44:12 * Mort- hugs a hydralaptop
44:20 <Mekkis> what actually are all of these transmutation spells?
44:36 <Mort-> Transformation
44:48 <Mort-> Form of the dragon
44:52 <Mort-> Aspect of the beast
45:05 <Mort-> Monsterous physique
45:18 <Mort-> Undead anatomy
45:37 <Mort-> Don't you think its cool hydra if i turn into a gargoyle some day?
45:53 <Mort-> Resinous skin
45:55 <Mekkis> rope trick's transmutation?!
46:55 <Mort-> Possibly
47:01 <Mort-> Didn't play with that yet
47:23 <Mort-> Darkvision possibly
47:27 <Steven> so freakin bored.
47:36 <Mort-> Blessing of the mole but its probably divine
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48:11 <Mort-> Don't you think its cool to turn into a dragon to bite claw claw wing buffet tail slap people?
48:26 <Hydralaptop> Why not?
48:33 <Mekkis> what level do druids get to wildshape into elementals?
49:30 <Steven> considering i helped create a barbarian/sorc/dragon disciple that does an average damage of 250 damage in a round... im pretty meh about it mort.
49:34 <Mekkis> can an elemental wield a weapon?
49:52 <Mekkis> what level, Steven?
50:00 <Steven> level 12
50:13 <Steven> thats average damage, without critting
50:41 <Mort-> 8 i think
50:47 <Mort-> People i meet say no
50:57 <Mort-> On elementals using weapons
51:31 <Mort-> Sorry hydra. Atm i can only turn myself into a trog
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51:54 <Steven> hey new guy... also known as mib_rr7hct
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52:06 <Steven> you can change your name with /nick whatever
52:10 <Mort-> Its 1d6+3 and 2 x 1d4+3 if all hit
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53:35 <ChrisM> So how does one get invited to a game here?
53:53 <Mort-> That sort of thing is good to bard song and arcane strike with
54:04 <Steven> there is a website
54:21 <Mekkis> you sign up on the website.
54:36 <ChrisM> yes joined yesterday, but info on getting into a game isn't mentioned
54:45 <Steven> http://www.pfrpg.com.au/index.php5
54:51 <Mekkis> then you'll get emailed. But it's best to hang around or IRC a bit.
54:52 <ChrisM> uploaded character as well
54:54 <Steven> have you signed up for a game?
55:06 <Mekkis> There's a game this Sunday
55:13 <Mekkis> and another one scheduled next week
55:29 <ChrisM> how to sign up..Don't I need an invite?
55:43 <Mekkis> if you click on schedule
55:46 <Mekkis> it should let you sign up
56:07 <Mekkis> an invite just means that you'll receive an email, and dicebot will PM you
56:13 <Mekkis> (if you're on IRC)
57:43 <ChrisM> it says sign in. when I do that there is no tab/place to join
58:07 <ChrisM> confused
58:12 <Mort-> Sign in then
58:16 <Mekkis> so, say you wanted to accept http://www.pfrpg.com.au/schedule.php5?id=108
58:18 <ChrisM> I am
58:20 <Mort-> Top right hand corner
59:03 <Mekkis> oh
59:04 <Mekkis> strange
00:42 <Mekkis> ChrisM, which game are you interested in signing up for?
01:11 <ChrisM> If I am logged off and in schedule room it says log on to join, when I do that nothing...
01:18 <ChrisM> any and all!
01:19 <Mekkis> I noticed that too
01:40 <ChrisM> this saturday looks good
01:45 <ChrisM> to wet my feet
02:01 <Mekkis> this Saturday isn't a PFS game. The others are fine though.
02:20 <Mekkis> (Way of the Wicked is an ongoing campaign)
02:45 <Mekkis> I'll get Avatar or Ballig onto this issue
02:53 <Mekkis> they're the site admins
02:56 <Mort-> They are evil
03:04 <Mort-> In way of the wicked
03:04 <ChrisM> the following Sat (17) would be fine
03:07 <Mekkis> how much have Pathfinder have you played?
03:16 <ChrisM> years worth
03:27 <ChrisM> I usually Dm
03:31 <Mekkis> the following Saturday is the 16th
03:40 <ChrisM> but want to try i new medium
03:42 <Mort-> Oooh
03:57 <Mort-> /
03:58 <Mekkis> it's possible (actually quite likely) that I'll be running something on Sunday 17th
04:29 <Steven> they aren't evil... and if they are they are LE which is a good thing.
04:34 <ChrisM> sorry Sat 16, 17 I have game then
04:51 <Steven> so, chris where ya from?
04:53 <Mekkis> I'll tell Wrothmonk to expect you then...
05:08 <ChrisM> Canadian born, living in Korea
05:20 <Mekkis> I'm guessing... Japan
05:21 <ChrisM> K thanks Mekkis
05:25 <Mekkis> oh
05:27 <Mekkis> off a bit
06:04 <Steven> i think i might get asked to run something on the 9th
06:17 <ChrisM> I am running Rise of the Runelords now, but we ususally meet only twice a month (on a good one)
06:39 <ChrisM> last year ran Carrion Crown
06:42 <Mekkis> oh no, Steven
06:52 <Mekkis> ChrisM, you did an AP in a year?
07:25 <ChrisM> naw...we called it during the 3rd book
07:32 <Mekkis> ah
07:37 <ChrisM> was losing interest
07:49 <Steven> im starting up rise of the runelords for my friends
08:05 <Steven> probably going to finish in around 8 months
08:11 <Mekkis> good. I hope you're planning on playing it through, with persistent characters
08:12 <ChrisM> we just started it a  short time ago
08:28 <Steven> maybe less
08:38 <Mekkis> Steven, two sessions a week?
08:38 <ChrisM> it is a big book
09:02 <Steven> probably one session a week
09:07 <Steven> every sunday
09:23 <Mekkis> you're ambitious then
09:27 <Steven> 4 hour time slots
09:41 <Mort-> Ee. Koreans
09:42 <ChrisM> Also on the home page the getting started link doesn't work, Mekkis
09:50 <ChrisM> ?
10:16 <Mekkis> it doesn't?
10:20 <Steven> I know the people im gaming with, Walter my VC, his Girlfriend, my buddy Andrew and his girlfriend, Cameron and Alex
10:20 <Mekkis> what browser are you using?
11:03 <Steven> all of them except andrews girlfriend are advanced PFS players.  I expect them to tear through rotrl
11:21 <Mekkis> it works here. It selectively hides content depending on what you click on the left pane
12:13 <ChrisM> it works fine from Campaigns>PS link
12:37 <ChrisM> but not the front/home page
12:41 <Mekkis> strange
13:02 <ChrisM> maybe this is why I cannot join anything
14:00 <Steven> alright im running to the store.
14:09 <Steven> you know that thing that i said occationally happens
14:24 <Steven> my dad running out of coffee and then calling me at 5am in the fucking morning to run up to the store
14:25 <Mekkis> if you show up at the right time, you'll generally be able to play
14:37 <Mekkis> Steven, order it online!
14:52 <Steven> i dont live in a town big enough to have grocery delivery
14:55 <Mekkis> http://auswanacoffee.com.au/
15:01 <Mekkis> they ship worldwide!
15:07 <Steven> nor would i pay to have it delivered
16:06 <Steven> do you actually buy coffee from that website?
16:11 <Mekkis> yes
16:23 <Steven> you spend too much on coffee and need to send me money you rich bastard
16:37 <Mekkis> actually, now I just send the growers an email, and they send me the coffee and the invoice
16:47 <Mekkis> it's very reasonably priced
17:11 <Steven> also.... theres no way im going to buy my dad good coffee when he cant taste it worth shit... the man smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day
17:17 <Steven> he cant taste anything
17:21 <Mekkis> so instant?
17:40 <Steven> yea... thats the plan
17:54 <Steven> im not spending more than like 5 bucks on it... maybe up to 7
18:02 <Steven> but thats it... cause thats all the cash i have on me
22:35 <Mekkis> I'm still at a loss as to what 5th level spells to get
22:41 <Mekkis> Mort-, what do you suggest?
22:56 <Mort-> Overland flight
23:15 <Mort-> I took break enchantment
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23:43 <Mort-> Avatar appreciated it but I'm not that sure how useful that is
23:43 <Mekkis> Abjuration and Enchantment are opposition schools
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24:03 <Mekkis> Break Enchantment is something that I can pick up when it's needed
24:14 <Mekkis> not something I'd Normally Prepare
24:19 <Mort-> He didn't know he was going to need it
24:30 <Mekkis> do you Normally Prepare it?
24:33 <Mort-> Well i decided to prepare it that day
24:37 <Mort-> Actually yes
24:47 <Mort-> Couldn't think of anything else to do haha
24:51 <Mekkis> heh
24:57 <Mort-> Its like i always carry one dispel magij
24:59 <Mort-> Magic
25:01 <Mekkis> 5th level spells are like that, right?
25:21 <Mekkis> I just want to get a Staff of Abjuration and leave it at that :)
25:37 <Mekkis> !item Staff of Abjuration
25:38 <diebot> Mekkis, STAFF OF ABJURATION [strong abjuration] CL:13 none 82000gp, 5lb
25:39 <diebot> Usually carved from the heartwood of an ancient oak, ash, sequoia, or other large tree, this staff allows use of the following spells: • Dispel magic (1 charge) • Resist energy (1 charge) • Shield (1 charge) • Dismissal (2 charges) • Lesser globe of invulnerability (2 charges) • Repulsion (3 charges) Source: Ultimate Equipment
25:44 <Mort-> Couldn't think of what to do with it
26:00 <Mekkis> Overland flight seems good
26:06 <Mekkis> thinking maybe Shadow Evocation
26:22 <Mort-> I suppose i can always heighten spells
26:28 <Mort-> Remember what i am
26:41 <Mekkis> I suppose so
27:00 <Mekkis> what spell focuses do you have?
27:12 <Mort-> I actually heightened snap dragon fireworks once
27:21 <Mekkis> !spell snap dragon fireworks
27:22 <Mort-> Conjuration
27:23 <diebot> Mekkis, SNAPDRAGON FIREWORKS transmutation ([fire, light]) bard 2, sorcerer/wizard 1 1 standard action Range: long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)  Comp: S, V, M (a bundle of sulfur wrapped in cloth) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Reflex negates SR:yes
27:24 <diebot> A favorite display at halfling midsummer festivals, this spell lets you create fireworks in the shape of tiny dragons. Once per round, as a move action, you may designate a target 5-foot-square within range and launch a pyrotechnic in that direction. The pyrotechnic takes a zigzag path from you to that square, always missing creatures and objects
27:24 <diebot> in its path, and detonates in that square with a bang and a colorful burst of fire and light. Creatures in the target square take 1d4 points of fire damage and are dazzled for 1 round (Reflex half, a successful save negates the dazzled condition). Normally when this spell is used as part of a festival, the chosen target is high in the sky to
27:24 <diebot> increase visibility and protect observers.
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27:44 <Mekkis> heh
27:44 <Mort-> i carry a pit with me and an aqueous orb
27:46 <Mekkis> transmutation
28:27 <Mort-> Some glitterdust
28:38 <Mort-> A burning hands. Some magic missiles
28:40 <Mekkis> yeah
28:44 <Mekkis> that's standard fare
28:52 <Mekkis> Deceased ignores the burning hands
29:17 <Mekkis> it's amazing how many problems Acid Pit and Phantasmal Killer can solve
30:10 <Mort-> I use normal pit
30:32 <Mort-> Wall of stone?
30:33 <Mekkis> I don't have heighten spell: Acid Pit has a higher DC
30:37 <Mort-> Cloud kill?
30:39 <Mekkis> Was considering a wall
30:51 <Mort-> Try wall of sound
30:53 <Mekkis> Deceased already has five cloudkills per scenario
30:58 <Mekkis> !spell wall of sound
30:58 <Mort-> Then throw sleet storm :p
30:59 <diebot> Mekkis, WALL OF SOUND evocation ([sonic]) bard 4, magus 4, sorcerer/wizard 5 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level)  Comp: V, S, M (a tuning fork and a quartz crystal) Duration: concentration + 1 round/level Save: none SR:yes
30:59 <diebot> A translucent barrier of pure sound springs into existence. This wall is silent except for a faint hum, but bursts with discordant noise when touched by an object or creature. The wall deflects arrows, bolts, loose debris, and Small or smaller flying creatures like a wind wall spell, except these things rebound harmlessly rather than being directed
31:00 <diebot> upward. The burst of discordant noise deals 2d4 points of sonic damage to creatures within 10 feet of the triggering object or creature; touching or passing through the wall deals 2d6 points of sonic damage + 1 point of sonic damage per caster level (maximum +20). If you evoke the wall so that it appears where creatures are, each creature takes
31:00 <diebot> damage as if passing through the wall. A silence spell suppresses the wall within its area, but the wall reappears when the silence ends.
31:51 <Mort-> If snow falls on the wall what happens
33:05 <Mekkis> Used many divinations?
33:37 <Mort-> Me? I don't do much divination
33:49 <Mort-> Not much information gathering scenarios
34:07 <Mort-> Just the go in clean the aspis out
34:28 <Mekkis> Divination: Is Aspis in next room?
34:30 <Mort-> Try not to get shot full of arrows while you're at it
34:33 <Mekkis> yes -> Cloudkill
34:45 <Mekkis> no -> enter room, divination: is Aspis in next room
35:47 <Mort-> You need to be in room to cloud kill them.g.
35:55 <Mort-> And i don't have free communes
35:55 <Mekkis> no
36:10 <Mekkis> you open the door, stick the end of the staff in, trigger it, then close the door
36:18 <Mekkis> wait for the screaming to stop
36:47 <Mort-> Could also have told your imp to check
36:55 <Mort-> But you probably wouldn't want to do that
37:54 <Mort-> Well there was a my mephit did my faction mission scenario before
38:23 <Mekkis> hmmm
38:34 <Steven> im back
38:45 <Steven> cost me seven dollars thirteen cents!
38:56 <Mekkis> I wonder... Who would win: Mort-'s mephit or Defunct?
39:18 <Mort-> Can't see you so you get to run away
39:20 <Mort-> Anyway
39:29 <Mort-> Hard to fight invisible things
39:47 <Mort-> Not to mention the fast healing and all
39:51 <Mort-> Dr too
39:54 <Mekkis> no fast healing
39:57 <Mekkis> or DR
40:36 <Mort-> Still constant invisible
40:52 <Mort-> You could probably fly circles around me
40:59 <Mekkis> actually At-Will invisible
41:07 <Mekkis> what's the fly speed?
41:15 <Mort-> 40
41:25 <Mort-> Yours is 50 perfect probably
41:30 <Mekkis> 50 perfect
41:35 <Mekkis> then again
41:37 <Mort-> Just get a bow. Keep shooting and hidmg
41:41 <Mekkis> damage is 1d4+3
41:48 <Mort-> That's a lot
41:58 <Mekkis> Defunct doesn't carry weapons
42:02 <Mekkis> that's one of the issues
42:08 <Mort-> I worry more about the dex poison
42:12 <Mort-> Neither do i
42:22 <Mort-> The dex poison will kill probably
42:34 <Mekkis> I'm imagining that the mephet has more equipment than Defunct
42:41 <Mort-> Not really
42:52 <Mekkis> (Defunct's only equipment is a ring of transposition and masterwork thieve's tools)
42:54 <Mort-> I use my mephit to enlarge fighters
43:04 <Mort-> Darkwood shield
43:12 <Mort-> And wand of grease
43:16 <Steven> the obvious answer to who would win would be Penelope
43:19 <Mort-> Very useful...
43:24 <Mekkis> quickened grease 2/day
43:35 <Mekkis> Who's Penelope?
43:38 <Mort-> How did you manage that one
43:44 <Mekkis> Quicken SLA
43:54 <Steven> its a Cacodaemon
43:55 <Mort-> But no point. If you feel things aren't going your way
44:00 <Mort-> You just poof
44:03 <Mort-> I can't find you
44:10 <Mekkis> yeah, and Deceased is there :)
44:17 <Mort-> No see invis/whatever
44:44 <Mekkis> what stealth mod?
44:46 <Mort-> If you're fighting something with invis you can't win unless you can see where he is
44:58 <Mort-> Standard mephit
45:03 <Mort-> +12 or so maybe
45:05 <Mekkis> what's that?
45:06 <Mekkis> ah
45:19 <Steven> a cacodaemon has constant magic
45:28 <Mekkis> Defunct has +15 perception, constant detect good/detect magic
45:36 <Mort-> Maybe 8
45:50 <Mort-> I'm a mephit
46:03 <Mekkis> I thought you said you were a lemur
46:04 <Mort-> at least in this incarnation i didn't sell my soul
46:18 <Mort-> For morts familiar
46:20 <Mekkis> I prefer you without selling your soul
46:22 <Mort-> I'm a lemur
46:27 <Steven> also cacodaemon have immune to poison
46:32 <Mort-> I haven't sold my soul yet
46:43 <Mekkis> I suggest you get a good price
47:02 <Mort-> I sell it only when i roll a fiendish vessel
47:06 <Mort-> :)
47:16 <Mekkis> Even Deceased hasn't sold his soul
47:34 <Mort-> What did you sell lately
47:50 <Mekkis> ummm...
48:02 <Mekkis> I got a cloak with the Paracountess' blood on it
48:13 <Mort-> Blood is nice
48:17 <Mekkis> the signature of three high-ranking hellknights
48:18 <Mort-> So what else
48:26 <Mort-> That's worth selling?
48:43 <Steven> considering the kinky shit the paracountess is into
48:54 <Mekkis> a cheque for 5000gp that pays the bearer out of the Pathfinder Society's accounts
48:55 <Steven> probably lots of stuff with her blood on it.
49:32 <Mekkis> Steven, yeah, but... Deceased knows the Paracountess well, and has a body part AND an item of clothing. He can cast scrying, and record it.
49:38 <Mekkis> now THAT's worth selling!
50:47 <Mort-> Dunno
50:55 <Mekkis> that's a -19 on the will save
51:03 <Mekkis> on the DC22 will save
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53:41 <Mekkis> Deceased has been collecting body parts and signatures
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