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00:00:46 <Tashes> i've got a box of strawberry hiding in my pantry, i'm looking forward to those
00:00:58 <Tashes> Hdyra bought me stacks of Smores flavour. But they're too sweet :(
00:01:08 <Tashes> One sends me hyper for an hour
00:01:11 * Tashes bounces on Mort-
00:01:19 <Wrothmonk> and you want to try the strawberries?
00:01:41 <Mort-> Might hi tashes
00:01:42 <Tashes> I was hoping it'd be less intensely sugar
00:01:44 <Mort-> I want some
00:01:49 <Wrothmonk> Those are like the sweetest ones..
00:01:50 <Mort-> But I'm so far away
00:01:56 <Tashes> ;_;
00:02:05 <Wrothmonk> and how are the Smores "Sweet?"
00:02:21 <Mort-> Time for me to head back
00:02:21 <Wrothmonk> sweet*
00:02:22 <Mort-> Work
00:02:46 <Tashes> oh thats right, you're american. Your tastebuds are broken :p
00:02:55 * Tashes farewell's Mort-
00:03:05 <Wrothmonk> No, your tastebuds are broken:P
00:03:55 <Mort-> I love sweet things
00:04:08 <Mekkis> 57xp gets a 2nd level character to 20
00:04:10 <Mort-> I'm a sweet tooth to the core
00:04:13 <Wrothmonk> You would love pop tarts. Period.
00:04:54 * Mort- cries
00:05:01 <Mort-> I don't have pop tarts
00:05:21 <Tashes> Come visit me smort!
00:05:28 <Mort-> Lol.
00:05:37 <S711> <Mekkis> thepiratebay.se has address 194.71.107.15
00:05:38 <Mort-> I'm broke
00:05:44 <S711> Could you paste the tracert?
00:05:48 <Mort-> + i wonder what you would do with a muq
00:05:50 <Mort-> Mur
00:05:51 <Tashes> I made cookies this morning
00:05:57 <S711> I thought TPB moved to Norway.
00:05:59 <Mekkis> wasn't there a link to it
00:06:00 <Mekkis> ?
00:06:09 <S711> Let me scroll.
00:06:25 <Mekkis> Steven, http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/golden_parachute.pdf
00:06:30 * Mort- paws tashes
00:06:39 <Mort-> My dresses are too tight
00:06:47 <Steven> think ive seen this before
00:07:00 <Mekkis> really?
00:07:01 <Tashes> sexxay!
00:07:02 <Mekkis> I just made it then
00:07:20 <Steven> maybe its cause you talked about it before.
00:07:26 <Mort-> No. I can't get in
00:07:29 <Mekkis> I talked about it before
00:07:35 <Mekkis> this is the first time I've made one
00:07:42 <Steven> i dont know, i just woke up and so im not as on top of it yet.
00:08:11 <Mekkis> photos :)
00:09:33 <Mort-> Not showing you any
00:09:48 <Mort-> Show only to tashie and hydra
00:09:59 <Steven> i might have to stave off building this character until AFTER i get a boon.
00:10:19 <Mekkis> do you have a wayang boon?
00:10:28 <S711> Mekkis:
00:10:29 <S711> 18:47 <orcastra> Was TPB down at all today?
00:10:29 <S711> 18:47 <neglesaks> yes
00:10:30 <S711> 18:47 <orcastra> for how long?
00:10:30 <S711> 18:48 <+J0lle> over 9000
00:10:31 <S711> 18:48 <neglesaks> a couple of hours while they relocated the servers to North Korea
00:10:34 <S711> 18:40 <+[4Q]_> [News] After Being Cut From Norway, The Pirate Bay Returns From North Korea http://activepolitic.com:82/external/1925.html
00:10:45 <Mekkis> that you'd be willing to trade for a kilo of Australian coffee
00:10:45 <Tashes> :p
00:10:48 * Tashes speshul
00:10:58 <Mekkis> :(
00:11:11 <Mekkis> S711, although the traceroute says that, it looks like it's some BGP hacking
00:11:25 <Mort-> :)
00:11:34 <Mekkis> http://www.tcpiputils.com/traceroute/194.71.107.15
00:11:40 <S711> What's that?
00:11:41 <Mort-> You see me in a dress before right tashie
00:11:49 <S711> BGP?
00:11:51 <Tashes> Yus! Pretty.
00:11:58 <Mekkis> Border Gateway Protocol
00:12:14 <S711> Tell me about it.
00:12:25 <Mekkis> it was the last change that was made to the infrastructure of the internet, back in the nineties
00:12:29 <Mekkis> OK
00:12:52 * Mort- blushes
00:12:53 <Steven> no i do not have teh wanang boon, i think walter has one though
00:13:06 <Mekkis> would he trade it for a kilo of Australian coffee?
00:13:14 <Mekkis> How do you think the internet works, S711?
00:14:30 <Steven> um... i dunno, i dont think he drinks coffee
00:16:58 <Tashes> She's such a silly creature
00:17:16 <Brunius> And the award for obvious statement of the week goes to...
00:19:54 <S711> http://activepolitic.com:82/external/1928.html
00:19:58 <S711> Indeed.
00:20:02 <S711> No Korea.
00:20:34 <Mekkis> if I say "Tashes" now, I win it, right?
00:20:52 <Steven> i was hoping something other than elf had an int bonus but nope.
00:21:17 <S711> TPB hijacked two IPs..
00:21:42 <Mekkis> not really hijacked
00:22:07 <Tashes> Will it look bad on my resume to have a whole page of volunteer work and then about two lines of paid work?
00:22:33 <Mekkis> S711, how do you think the internet works
00:22:37 <Tashes> My volunteer stuff is all ongoing or last year, and my paid work was 2011
00:22:44 <Mekkis> I can't explain it unless I know how much you know
00:22:50 <Tashes> (i'm not putting anything that lasted less than six months on there)
00:25:24 <Steven> stats of 10/14/12/19/12/8
00:25:59 <S711> Mekkis: I know very little.
00:27:09 <S711> My computer says that it wants to connect to "B", the request is routed to "B", "B" sends it's contents to my computer.
00:27:21 <Mekkis> ok
00:27:31 <S711> Also expressed as a tracert.
00:27:52 <Mekkis> let's assume that you're not NATted, because that doesn't come into it from here
00:28:05 <S711> OK.
00:28:52 <Mekkis> my server at 46.182.105.73 wants to send a package to 173.194.41.197 (google.com)
00:29:55 <S711> Yes.
00:30:14 <Mekkis> actually, that's a bad example, because it doesn't work
00:30:36 <Mekkis> ok
00:30:47 <Mekkis> it wants to send a packet to 78.157.210.49 (my server in the UK)
00:30:54 <Mekkis> so
00:30:59 <Mekkis> it checks its routing table
00:31:12 <Mekkis> [root@nl bin]# route -n
00:31:12 <Mekkis> Kernel IP routing table
00:31:12 <Mekkis> Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
00:31:12 <Mekkis> 46.182.105.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0
00:31:12 <Mekkis> 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 1002 0 0 eth0
00:31:12 <Mekkis> 0.0.0.0 46.182.105.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0
00:31:25 <Mekkis> and tries to find the closest match
00:31:46 <Mekkis> it can connect to 46.182.105.0/24 directly using eth0
00:32:11 <Mekkis> or 0.0.0.0/0 (aka the entire internet) via 46.182.105.1
00:32:38 <Mekkis> so it sends a packet with the destination 78.157.210.49 to 46.182.105.1
00:32:54 <Mekkis> and the machine at 46.182.105.1 works out how to get it there.
00:33:10 <Mekkis> (it'll look at it's routing table, and do the same)
00:33:26 <S711> Oh boy.
00:34:11 <Mekkis> so, as long as all of the destinations in the routing tables are correct, the packet should arrive at its destination
00:34:21 <S711> OK.
00:34:56 <Mekkis> (in this case, it goes through 92.48.225.33 195.69.145.107 77.75.109.105 93.89.91.13 77.75.104.85 77.75.120.70 77.75.125.130 before arriving at 78.157.210.49
00:35:17 <Mekkis> so
00:35:32 <Mekkis> if you were running an ISP, you pretty much have two jobs.
00:36:10 <Mekkis> 1. Make sure your customers can connect to you; and 2. Make sure that you can connect to "Other Parts Of The Internet"
00:36:48 <S711> OK.
00:36:49 <Mekkis> and that's all done through the routing
00:36:54 <Mekkis> Now...
00:36:58 <Mekkis> Basic economics.
00:37:06 <Mekkis> supply and demand.
00:37:18 <S711> Load balancers?
00:37:41 <Mekkis> If you're an ISP, and all your customers want to access Facebook.com (because they're idiots)...
00:38:24 <Mekkis> you'll want to make sure that the PATH between you and facebook.com is fast.
00:38:43 * Steven is bored.
00:39:04 <Mekkis> so you'll want to pay the guy who owns the pipe between you and facebook.com some money, in order to be allowed to route that way
00:39:05 * Tashes
00:40:03 <S711> These pipes are owned by big telecoms, right?
00:40:06 <Mekkis> ("the pipe" is noted as an AS number - it stands for Automated System)
00:40:28 <Mekkis> not always. Quite a few big companies resell transit
00:40:32 <S711> These are the cables that run underseas and so on?
00:40:37 <Mekkis> yeah
00:40:47 <Mekkis> and satelites, and whatever
00:41:04 <S711> Nobody would route Facebook traffic via satellites, right?
00:41:14 <S711> Nor TPB traffic.
00:41:23 <Mekkis> I'm not sure
00:41:29 <Mekkis> taking an AS at random
00:41:39 <Mekkis> try running whois AS4672
00:42:06 <Mekkis> it's an AS, owned by IBM
00:42:15 <Mekkis> in Japan
00:42:20 <S711> OK.
00:42:29 <Mekkis> import: from AS2497 accept ANY
00:42:29 <Mekkis> import: from AS2914 accept ANY
00:42:29 <Mekkis> export: to AS2497 announce AS-IBMNET-JP
00:42:29 <Mekkis> export: to AS2914 announce AS-IBMNET-JP
00:42:47 <Mekkis> and it will accept traffic from AS2497 and AS2914
00:43:11 <S711> Aha, so it will accept traffic from those two big pipes?
00:43:21 <Mekkis> AS2917 is owned by NTT Communications
00:43:29 <Mekkis> (Japan Telecom)
00:43:46 <Mekkis> and if you whois AS2917, it's connected to a lot of things
00:44:01 <S711> whois doesn't work in cmd.exe I think.
00:44:06 <Mekkis> oh
00:44:07 <Mekkis> sorry
00:44:14 <Mekkis> I was assuming you had a linux box
00:44:20 <S711> I wish.
00:45:26 <Mekkis> Anyway. BGP is the protocol that allows
00:45:37 <Mekkis> http://www.tcpiputils.com/whois-lookup
00:46:10 <Mekkis> BGP is the protocol that allows routers to tell other routers what they will accept
00:46:11 <S711> It allows what?
00:46:17 <S711> OK.
00:46:28 <Mekkis> and also what blocks of IP addresses
00:46:35 <S711> Any routers or like big routers?
00:46:49 <S711> Like routers between big pipes or?
00:46:55 <Mekkis> well... FYI, your home "router" isn't really a router at all
00:47:04 <S711> OK.
00:47:04 <Mekkis> but I'm talking big routers
00:47:34 <S711> Are the names of big routers public?
00:47:37 <S711> Nodes?
00:47:41 <S711> Are you talking about nodes?
00:47:41 <Mekkis> more or less
00:47:58 <Mekkis> but the thing is, BGP isn't particularly secure
00:48:08 <S711> I could sit all day and have you teach me TCP/IP..
00:48:15 <S711> Why not?
00:48:18 <Mekkis> I'm not talking TCP here
00:48:21 <Mekkis> this is just IP
00:48:27 <Mekkis> TCP is higher level
00:48:34 <S711> OK.
00:48:40 <Steven> im gonna go play shitty video games
00:48:45 <Mekkis> it doesn't actually verify that you own the IP address block that you claim you're advertising
00:49:04 <S711> Why would you have to own it?
00:49:17 <S711> I mean, why would one assume I owne dit?
00:50:27 <Mekkis> because BGP was created in the early 1990s
00:51:33 <Mekkis> when there were less than 1 million machines on the internet
00:52:11 <Mekkis> and there wasn't any shortage of IP addresses. If you needed an IP address, you'd ask internic, and they'd give you them
00:52:37 <Mekkis> if you could afford that sort of router, getting the IP addresses you wanted was effectively free
00:52:47 <Mekkis> so there was no reason not to trust that sort of thing
00:53:53 <S711> Why not have the routers talk to each other in some other protocol? Like TCP/IP?
00:55:03 <Mekkis> SO, if a router said "I'm advertising traffic from 175.45.177.217 over AS131279 in North Korea", then they'd trust it.
00:55:37 <S711> OK.
00:55:57 <Mekkis> they do talk to each other using tcp/ip
00:56:14 <Mekkis> or udp/ip
00:56:18 <Mekkis> or sctp/ip
00:56:25 <S711> But BGP is a level higher in the stack?
00:56:28 <Mekkis> yeah
00:56:32 <Mekkis> it's application level
00:56:34 <Mekkis> like http
00:56:34 <S711> OK.
00:56:38 <Mekkis> or irc
00:57:37 <Mekkis> but the point is, if you either control one of these routers, or can hijack a BGP session between two routers, you can claim to be routing traffic which ever way you want
00:58:22 <Mekkis> BGP sessions are generally ssl-encrypted TCP/IP sessions, but they're held open for a VERY long period of time
00:58:53 <S711> For as long as those big routers are held on?
00:59:00 <S711> Weeks?
00:59:06 <Mekkis> months, years
00:59:11 <Mekkis> longer
00:59:39 <Mekkis> (and, if you recall how SSL works, it uses public/private key for authentication, then a symmetric key for transmission)
00:59:56 <Mekkis> the latter degrades over time
01:00:34 <S711> A key degrades?
01:00:42 <S711> That part I don't understand, the numbers remain.
01:00:46 <S711> But let's continue.
01:00:54 <S711> SSL is another lesson.
01:01:00 <Mekkis> so
01:01:30 <Steven> makin a dwarf sorcerer
01:01:31 <Mekkis> it you hold the session open for a long time, eventually someone will be able to inject their own stuff in
01:01:46 <Mekkis> Steven, empyrical?
01:02:03 <S711> Mekkis: Let's move into query I think.
01:02:11 <S711> I am probably the only one in here who doesn't know how this works.
01:02:16 <Mekkis> stuff like "traffic from TPB is coming from North Korea"
01:02:50 <Mekkis> S711, I doubt it. You might be the only one in here who knows THAT this stuff works :)
01:03:11 <S711> OK.
01:03:33 <S711> So they (TPB) inject stuff into a BGP session between two nodes.
01:03:37 <Mekkis> the gist of the whole thing is that a) routers generally believe each other; and b) it's possible to get a router to lie.
01:03:49 <S711> And announce that they're North Korea?
01:03:53 <Mekkis> sure
01:04:15 <S711> This is why tracert says that the traffic goes through North Korea?
01:04:28 <Mekkis> yes and no...
01:04:45 <Mekkis> it's why traceroute says that North Korea is on the path
01:04:46 <Steven> my router lies!
01:04:52 <S711> :D
01:04:56 <Steven> it says im in moscow idaho
01:05:02 <Mekkis> Steven, you can't afford a router that can lie like that
01:05:03 <S711> Mine too, but that's because another router lied to my router.
01:05:07 <Steven> I am in Pullman Washington.
01:06:26 <Mekkis> the way traceroute works is it basically queries each router on the path using UDP, then performs a ping on that
01:06:47 <Mekkis> and the ping to each router is not necessarily along the path specified
01:07:09 <Mekkis> so it turns out that yes, there is a machine that responds to pings in North Korea with that IP address
01:07:17 <Mekkis> which is why it shows up on the traceroute
01:13:34 <S711> While precise details on what happened in Norway are scarce, it would appear that The Pirate Partyÿs uplink and not the party itself had been threatened by the copyright industry. In terms of safeguarding democratic checks and balances, is quite remarkable that an entertainment industry has the power to force a political party offline if it doesnÿt have favorable policies.
01:23:08 <Ulzef_hates_mIRC> mek just crate her all the pics you want then ;)
01:24:27 <Avatar> just crate her
01:26:40 <Ulzef> "crate'er up
01:26:42 <Ulzef> "
01:27:59 <Avatar> Buck's gonna like this new line of work, just sayin'
01:28:12 <Avatar> did I level up in the last game
01:28:40 <Avatar> is 28 experience the next level
01:29:03 <Ulzef> no 27 should have been i thought
01:29:12 <Avatar> yeah you're right, 27 then 30
01:29:20 <Avatar> ok well I'm in training then I guess
01:52:33 <S711> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/03/simcity-impressions-we-waited-ten-years-for-this/
02:04:52 <Mekkis> would Delay Poison grant immunity to cloudkill?
02:07:16 <Avatar> what's the descriptor for cloudkill
02:07:31 <Mekkis> !spell cloudkill
02:07:32 <diebot> Mekkis, CLOUDKILL conjuration (creation[poison]) sorcerer/wizard 5, witch 5, magus 5 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Comp: V, S Duration: 1 min./level Save: Fortitude partial; see text SR:no
02:07:32 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/cloudkill.html
02:07:41 <Mekkis> creation[poison]
02:10:00 <Avatar> there's your answer
02:10:06 <Mekkis> yes?
02:10:07 <Mekkis> cool
02:10:31 <Mekkis> trust my luck for it to be on everyone else's spell list
02:10:44 <Mekkis> bard 2, cleric 2, druid 2, paladin 2, ranger 1, alchemist 2, witch 2, inquisitor 2
02:10:49 <Mekkis> why not wizard?
02:10:50 <Mekkis> :(
02:11:05 <Avatar> because you get cloudkill
02:11:37 <Mekkis> it just shows how broken the Witch class is
02:12:03 <Avatar> witches rule
02:12:05 <Avatar> what are you saying
02:13:07 <Avatar> what diabolical plan are you conjuring up this time
02:13:32 <Brunius> it strikes me as funny that cloudkill is conjuration and avatar is referring to mekkis conjuruing stuff
02:13:38 <Brunius> I dunno why
02:13:42 <Mekkis> simple:
02:13:56 <Mekkis> cast Delay Poison, wear a Goz mask, cast cloudkill
02:14:02 <Mekkis> you have total concealment
02:14:08 <Mekkis> they're taking 1d4 con damage a round
02:14:13 <Mekkis> and you can see them without issue
02:20:57 <Mekkis> is Shadowy Haven PFS legal?
02:23:47 <Mekkis> What animal companion should my druid get?
02:23:54 <Avatar> go urban druid
02:24:34 <Mekkis> ummm
02:24:35 <Mekkis> sorry
02:24:43 <Mekkis> what animal companion should my cleric get
02:27:49 <Mekkis> IIRC, clerics are limited to CRB companions, right?
02:28:38 <Mekkis> hmmm
02:28:45 <Mekkis> is there a moose animal companion?
02:30:02 <Mekkis> ok
02:30:03 <Mekkis> there is
02:30:06 <Mekkis> in Animal Archive
02:30:24 <Tashes> why do you want a moose?
02:30:27 <Tashes> they don't even moo
02:30:59 <Ulzef> nah they get full companion selection because they are treated as druid purdy sure anyways
02:31:23 <Mekkis> is there a stag companion?
02:31:33 <Ulzef> ya
02:31:33 <Mekkis> for a cleric of Erastil
02:31:39 <Ulzef> in kingmaker
02:31:58 <Ulzef> book 1
02:32:22 <Mekkis> that sucks
02:34:01 <Ulzef> its legal you would just have to get source its in the players guide as well now i think about it
02:34:20 <Mekkis> there's the elk
02:34:24 <Mekkis> in bestiary 3
02:35:47 <Mekkis> I'll just ask on the forums
02:36:23 <Mekkis> there's a fair bit of "non-druids can't have Additional Animal Companions" going on
02:40:39 <Brunius> 'I'll just ask on the forums'
02:40:46 <Brunius> You know it's gonna start a war
02:40:51 <Mekkis> yeah
02:41:06 <Mekkis> I'll create a few alts and flame both ways
02:41:15 <Brunius> Sounds good
02:41:17 <Mekkis> until Someone takes notice, answers it, and locks it
02:41:20 <Mekkis> want to help?
02:41:25 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pjou?PFSlegal-companions-for-a-cleric-with-the#1
02:42:39 <Mekkis> what's the chance that it gets shoved over to Rules Questions forum?
03:11:23 <Steven> IM BACK!
03:24:25 <Avatar> anyone interested in playtesting the rpg superstar encounters?
03:34:03 <Steven> there we go, finished the character
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04:03:11 <Brunius> Uh
04:03:17 <Brunius> Did Ted Baillieu just quit?
04:03:42 <Steven> made my list of sins for Rise of the runelords!
04:04:24 <Steven> so what up yo.
04:24:24 <Avatar> link
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04:26:41 <Steven> so what do you know about demonic Obidiences?
04:27:37 <Steven> mistype
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05:19:07 <Steven> just told my buddy how in the AP Reign of Winter you get to go to earth during WWI... he is tripping balls
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06:50:12 <gelith> Morning
07:03:06 <Brunius-> Moin
07:09:12 <S711> Mekkis: I'm ready for another lesson.
07:09:19 <S711> On the topic of how the Internet works.
07:10:37 <S711> route print
07:10:50 <S711> That's something I'd like to understand for example.
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07:43:25 <Mekkis> route print?
07:43:31 <Mekkis> paste the output here
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09:28:36 * kapow_Laptop pulls the swooshy tail
09:30:19 * Mort- squeaks
09:30:31 * Mort- tail writhes in kapows hands
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09:33:31 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Avatar
09:40:24 * kapow_Laptop transmutes the swooshy tail into a bar of led
09:40:48 <kapow_Laptop> lead*
09:40:51 <kapow_Laptop> stupid a
09:44:14 <Mort-> You can't
09:44:27 <Mort-> Its not an unattended object
09:44:42 <Mort-> You need to transmute me into a bar of lead
09:44:50 <Mort-> Which i doubt its possible
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09:59:19 <Mort-> They changed ear piercing scream to daze others?
09:59:24 <Mort-> thought previously was stun
10:01:36 <Mort-> Good change. I approve. Maybe next arcane archer
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10:08:20 * kapow turns mort and himself into a bar of Lead
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10:13:34 <Mort-> I don't think there is a spell for that
10:13:39 <Mort-> Stone maybe
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10:27:53 <kapow> No Lead
10:28:01 <kapow> it's called Wish or Limited Wish
10:28:50 <Mort-> It duplicates a spell lower then x level
10:31:45 <Mekkis> not always
10:31:53 <Mekkis> it does what you say it does
10:32:10 <Mekkis> (anyway, Polymorph Any Object will work)
10:32:49 <Mort-> Uh well.
10:34:10 <Mort-> No transmute murs to lead spell
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10:34:29 <Mort-> So kapow and i are now block of lead?
10:34:30 <Mort-> No save?
10:35:30 <Mort-> Wrothmonn.
10:35:30 <Mort-> Wrothmonk :(
10:35:39 <Wrothmonk> ?
10:36:52 <kapow> you can't speak your lead ^_^
10:37:02 <Mort-> I'm now a block of lead
10:37:23 <Wrothmonk> I feel like I'm missing something, if not a lot.
10:37:30 <Mekkis> why are you leading Mort-?
10:38:09 <Mort-> Kapow turned us both into blocks of jfkd
10:38:10 <Mort-> Lead
10:39:23 * Wrothmonk gets out blowtorch
10:40:06 <Mort-> Sp ability telepathy?
10:40:06 <Mort-> And there was no save given!
10:40:13 <Mort-> Kapow turned me into a block of lead
10:40:13 <Mort-> Wish would be able to duplicate polymorph other object yes
10:40:13 <Mort-> But it should have a save too
10:40:13 <Mort-> And i suspect it won't last forever
10:40:26 <Mort-> After all murs and blocks of lead are very different
10:40:30 <Mekkis> Mort-, Wish can do anything
10:40:34 <Mekkis> !spell wish
10:40:37 <diebot> Mekkis, WISH universal ([]) sorcerer/wizard 9 1 standard action Range: see text see text Comp: V, S, M (diamond worth 25,000 gp) Duration: see text Save: none; see text SR:yes
10:40:37 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/wish.html
10:41:01 * Wrothmonk uses blowtorch to carve a lemur out of the lead block that is mort
10:41:04 <Mort-> :(
10:41:08 <Mekkis> You may try to use a wish to produce greater effects than these, but doing so is dangerous. (The wish may pervert your intent into a literal but undesirable fulfillment or only a partial fulfillment, at the GM's discretion.)
10:41:12 * kapow turns wrothmonk into a block of lead
10:41:20 <Wrothmonk> goddamnit.
10:41:27 <Mort-> Oh lol
10:41:27 <Mekkis> kapow, why are you turning people into blocks of lead?
10:41:31 <kapow> gotta love silent and still spell
10:41:39 <kapow> I dunno I am at work and really bored
10:41:55 * Mekkis dominates kapow and gets him to dispel it
10:42:50 <Mort-> How did he use silent and still
10:43:09 <Mort-> Its a +2 level adjustment
10:43:32 <Mort-> Unless he has magical lineage/wayang spell hunter
10:44:09 <Mekkis> oh? wish is VSM
10:44:22 <Mekkis> In 3.5 it was V, XP
10:44:34 <Mort-> Yes but max level of spell its 9
10:44:44 <Mort-> So level adjusted would be 11
10:44:54 <Mekkis> he's using the 3.5e version
10:44:57 <Mort-> And he doesn't have level 11 spells
10:45:03 <Mekkis> and a greater rod of silent
10:45:19 <Mort-> Level 10 still?
10:45:27 <Mekkis> greater rod of silent
10:45:35 <Mort-> Still
10:45:42 <Mort-> He mentioned still spell
10:46:24 <Mort-> And people say I'm mean.
10:46:33 <Mekkis> I don't
10:46:43 <Mort-> I don't polymorph people
10:46:58 <Mort-> I didn't deserve to get polymorphad
10:47:00 <Mekkis> I call you a sadistic torturer, because that's what you say you do
10:47:12 <Mort-> Cooking
10:47:13 <Mort-> Cool
10:47:14 <Mekkis> but I don't call you mean
10:47:25 <Mort-> You asked me for torture methods.
10:47:37 <Mort-> Like a helpful mur. I provide
10:48:02 <Mort-> I'm an imaginative mur too
10:48:22 <Wrothmonk> Bamboo is always a fun torture method...
10:48:44 <Mort-> I wonder if anyone ever asked wish to add the clerics spell list to his own
10:49:17 <Mekkis> no I didn't
10:49:28 <Mort-> You mean the one with wooden slabs crushing fingers ?
10:49:38 <Mort-> I mean what would your reaction be to that
10:49:54 <Mort-> Probably some kind of perversion.
10:50:07 <Mort-> I don't like wish.
10:50:21 <Mort-> Because its like so open to perversion
10:50:31 <Mekkis> so is everything
10:50:36 <Mekkis> it's because you don't trust your GM
10:51:01 <Mort-> Id rather a gm tell me not possible then pervertimg my wish
10:51:38 * Mort- would grin in lead shape but cant
10:52:17 <kapow> hey my WotW character is in no way based off mort
10:52:33 * kapow is dominated and dispells mort and wroth and himself
10:52:42 <Mort-> Yay!
10:53:02 <Mort-> But wish. You see you can wish the bbeg was dead
10:53:23 <Mort-> And because he has an ability that says he rises from the dead after x rounds
10:53:24 <kapow> and as mekk said the polymorph spell would of worked fine
10:53:28 <kapow> and it's not a level 9 spell
10:53:30 <Mort-> That doesn't really do too good
10:53:49 <Mort-> Polymorph any object would make me a lead block for 3 gp
10:53:54 <Mort-> 3h
10:54:50 <Mekkis> Polymorph any object is more ambiguous than wish
10:54:54 <Mort-> You can wish that he was in another world. Yay you just doomed another world and he's making a portal back in your world
10:54:56 <Mekkis> but he who dares, wins
10:55:25 <Mort-> Generally i just say i wish he never existed
10:56:02 <Mekkis> Polymorph any object allows you to turn a faerie dragon familiar into an ancient gold dragon. Permanently.
10:56:20 <Mort-> Because its at +9 on duration
10:56:25 <Mort-> And they both dragons
10:56:38 <Mort-> But a mur is very different from a lead block
10:56:50 <Mekkis> same kingdom/same class/ related
10:57:24 <Mekkis> a lemur is tiny, right?
10:57:33 <Mekkis> so I could turn Mort- into a cat...
10:57:49 <Mort-> You can
10:58:00 <Mort-> And i would be one permanently
10:58:02 <Wrothmonk> is there such a thing as a tiny dragon?
10:58:04 <Mekkis> actually
10:58:09 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, yeah
10:58:12 <Wrothmonk> >:D
10:58:13 <Mekkis> faerie dragon
10:58:18 <Mekkis> improved familiar
10:58:22 <Mekkis> (if you have the boon)
10:58:34 <Mort-> Try psudeo dragon
10:58:54 <Mekkis> (FYI Kapow: I'm trying to pull off that in Tsar. I'm betting it won't work)
10:59:47 <Mort-> Some people in Google groups call me an awakened cat
10:59:55 <Mort-> Probably because i pounce on them too much
11:00:03 <Mort-> And purr
11:00:22 <Mekkis> what's the int of a lemur?
11:00:23 <Mekkis> 2?
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11:01:22 <Mort-> 16:p
11:01:31 <Mort-> I'm a smart mur
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11:02:26 <Brunius-> My int is about 15
11:03:06 <Mekkis> you sure
11:03:15 <Wrothmonk> mine would be about 12 or 11
11:03:18 <Wrothmonk> I think.
11:03:34 <Wrothmonk> or it could be I have no ranks in any kn
11:03:36 <Wrothmonk> :P
11:04:17 <Brunius-> In one of the earlier AD&D rulebooks, it puts a single point of int at approximately equal to 10 points of iq
11:04:32 <Wrothmonk> interesting.
11:04:39 <Mekkis> which makes no sense
11:04:59 <Brunius-> I'll concede that
11:05:07 <Wrothmonk> well 10 would be average.
11:05:19 <Brunius-> I'll see if I can dig up the reference
11:05:20 <Mekkis> "You must have above-average int to be able to cast spell. Regardless what the average is."
11:05:31 <Mekkis> Brunius-, I don't doubt that it was printed
11:06:37 <Brunius-> The average is creeping upward, isn't it?
11:06:54 <Mekkis> I'm not sure
11:07:18 <Mekkis> regardless, IQ is designed to determine how retarded you are
11:07:20 <Mekkis> nothing else
11:15:08 <kapow> tsar isn't on tonight
11:24:16 <Mekkis> I know
11:25:05 <kapow> you back down south or still around up here?
11:25:11 <Mekkis> still here
11:25:32 <kapow> everyone was thinking you had left already the other night
11:26:00 <kapow> if your still around saturday we're having dinner over at that thai place for my birthday if you would like to join us
11:26:08 <kapow> my family plus invited johnny and all of them
11:26:46 <Mekkis> is your birthday on the 9th?
11:33:55 <kapow> yup
11:40:28 <Mekkis> what are your plans?
11:41:07 <Mekkis> I'm assuming that this might cause trouble for WotW...
11:42:13 <kapow> no i said sunday was fine for WotW
11:42:33 <kapow> Dinner friday with 1 side of the family no FNM
11:42:36 <Mekkis> Avatar couldn't make it on the Sunday
11:42:41 <kapow> Saturday dinner with the other half
11:42:45 <kapow> :/
11:42:59 <kapow> we agree'd on sunday at the end of last session and it was scheduled for the 10th
11:43:13 <Mekkis> looks like I'll need to push it back to the 6th of April
11:43:27 <Mekkis> then Avatar said he couldn't make it
11:43:31 <kapow> no it's okay man
11:43:37 <kapow> run it saturday
11:43:45 <kapow> I will be able to play till 6:15ish
11:43:50 <kapow> thats 4 hours+
11:44:01 <Mekkis> I try to finish it before 6, Brisbane time
11:44:06 <kapow> it's dinner plans
11:44:10 <Mekkis> and I've been pretty successful so far
11:44:18 <kapow> yeah i know
11:46:11 <Brunius-> Have we finished torturing the kid yet
11:46:45 <Mekkis> I think Agee-meit persuaded you to take a break from it and complete your mission first
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12:07:53 <Steven> yeah since torture can take days or even weeks
12:09:23 <Mekkis> Should I name my character "Perkele"?
12:11:24 <Steven> should you?
12:11:55 <Tashes> Name him Sinor Sparkles. Spork would have an instant crush on him
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12:16:43 <kapow> one of my best mates in primary and high school had the nick name sparkles
12:16:46 <kapow> he hated it :D
12:16:53 <Mekkis> heh
12:16:57 <kapow> I was the only one at school bar his cousin who knew it was his nickname
12:17:29 <kapow> he's now an olympic lvl gymnist
12:17:51 <Tashes> and dresses in sparkles.
12:27:45 <Mekkis> is it bad form to name characters after Scandinavian swear words?
12:30:43 <Steven> man im having a hard time picking 4 people out of this round of voting.
12:30:52 <Mekkis> the encounter?
12:31:04 <Steven> yup
12:31:20 <Mekkis> have you tested any of them?
12:31:33 <Mekkis> Run one of them for us, Steven!
12:33:29 <Steven> none of them seem at all challenging
12:33:55 <Steven> and if i was going to run something, it would be something that would get us credit
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12:34:34 <Mekkis> an I the only person here who doesn't care about getting credit for running things?
12:35:49 <kapow> I don't care too much
12:35:53 <kapow> still goes towards your stars
12:36:58 <Brunius> I don't care too much
12:37:02 <Brunius> obviously it's nice
12:37:09 <Brunius> but not necessary
12:37:10 <Steven> mekkis the encounters are just a single encounter out of an entire scenario and most of them are smash and grab events
12:37:30 <Mekkis> but how do you tell if they're balanced without running them
12:38:27 <Steven> easy, APL vs CR+Stage
12:38:47 <Steven> and then i ask myself would the be interesting to run through
12:38:55 <Steven> What would be annoying about this encounter
12:39:07 <Steven> Could anything be easily improved.
12:39:18 <Steven> and about 10 more questions
12:40:20 <Steven> eventually im going to cut 4 of them
12:40:33 <Steven> righ tnow i just got to the 5th entery
12:40:49 <Steven> One of them has a positive score.
12:41:03 <kapow> thats bad right
12:41:09 <kapow> you want to make everyone die
12:41:13 <kapow> by making them all blind
12:41:44 <Steven> It wont be bad if the rest of these all have positive scores.
12:42:31 <Steven> i think this one is going to end up having a positive score!
12:43:03 <Steven> some of these did not use their word limit effectively.
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12:50:14 <Steven> alright time to trim the fat
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12:53:15 <Steven> alright got my vote in... so... what up
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13:46:04 <Mekkis> kapow, do you know any mobile phone repairers?
13:47:43 <kapow> no not really sorry why?
13:47:55 <kapow> did you break your's doing something custom?
13:48:09 <Mekkis> trying to find one closer than Mount Gravatt
13:48:19 <Mekkis> no. Mine broke.
13:49:08 <Mekkis> !feat Mounted Skirmisher
13:49:11 <diebot> Mekkis, MOUNTED SKIRMISHER [Combat]Prereq: Ride rank 14, Mounted Combat, Trick Riding. You are adept at attacking from upon a swift moving steed.
13:49:11 <diebot> Benefit: If your mount moves its speed or less, you can still take a full-attack action.
13:49:12 <diebot> Normal: If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only take an attack action. Source: APG
13:53:28 <Mekkis> any monk archetypes that eschew the Lawful requirement?
14:05:04 <Steven> martial artist
14:06:18 <Mekkis> what's its alignment restrictions?
14:06:46 <Steven> go find out! im going to go play games!
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14:08:32 <Brunius> any alignment
14:09:06 <Wrothmonk> whats wrong with lawful?
14:09:15 <Mekkis> Grolschmir can't dip it
14:09:24 <Brunius> Oh god
14:09:28 <Mekkis> (actually, he's not going to anyway)
14:09:33 <Wrothmonk> ?
14:09:46 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk hasn't adventured with Grolschmir, has he?
14:09:47 <Mekkis> wow
14:09:54 <Wrothmonk> Nope
14:09:55 <Mekkis> Grolschmir is famous
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14:10:13 <Wrothmonk> I think I would remember that name.
14:10:25 <Mekkis> the dutch beer and the russian satelite?
14:10:28 <Brunius> Grolschmir has inspired many a board debate
14:10:51 <Mekkis> it's your Andoran sword-bombing gnome
14:11:04 <Mort-> Cookies?
14:11:12 <Mort-> Can i hash cookies?
14:11:19 <Mekkis> I've found a class you should play, Mort-
14:11:30 <Mekkis> Play a monk with at least three vows
14:11:30 <Mort-> What?
14:11:48 * Wrothmonk launches cooking with spring loaded wrist sheath
14:11:52 <Wrothmonk> cookie*
14:11:54 <Mort-> Vow of chastity is fine
14:12:04 <Mekkis> really
14:12:07 <Mekkis> no healing
14:12:09 * Mort- bounces up to catch
14:12:15 <Mort-> What other vows
14:12:34 <Mekkis> truth
14:12:36 <Mekkis> peace
14:12:39 <Mekkis> poverty
14:12:53 <Mort-> I thought chastity meant to be chaste and celibate
14:12:56 <Mort-> Not no touching
14:13:08 <Wrothmonk> Is it legal to flank with your animal companion?
14:13:19 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, Expect Table Variation
14:13:22 <Mort-> You just can't screw anyone up
14:13:34 <Mort-> Of course it is
14:13:42 <Mekkis> some GMs don't consider animals smart enough to flank
14:13:46 <Mort-> Your animal companion attacks from front you tumble and hit from the back
14:13:59 <Mort-> Animals are not stupid
14:14:09 <Wrothmonk> I'm tempted to take a level in ninja on wallace and then flank bunch with my animal companion.
14:14:28 <Mekkis> resist it
14:14:32 <Mekkis> who's wallace anyway?
14:14:35 <Mekkis> !find wallace
14:14:36 <dicebot> Mekkis, http://www.pfrpg.com.au/viewchar.php5?char=541
14:14:38 <Mort-> You can if you want. You can also use vanishing trick
14:14:53 <Mort-> Ranger?
14:14:57 <Wrothmonk> yup
14:15:02 <Wrothmonk> two weapon fighting
14:15:11 <Mort-> Rogue id say
14:15:19 <Mort-> You got no cha to vanish with
14:15:26 <Wrothmonk> hem good point
14:15:45 <Mort-> Else ninja is cooler
14:15:53 <Wrothmonk> I'm just thinking of ways to do even /more/ damage.
14:15:54 <Mekkis> don't multiclass. If you want, find a prestige class to go for instead
14:15:57 <Mekkis> Mammoth rider!
14:16:08 <Mekkis> dual-wield lances!
14:16:11 <Mort-> Horizon walker
14:16:16 <Wrothmonk> I haven't seen any good prestige classes.
14:16:17 <Mort-> Always curious about that
14:16:41 <Mekkis> dip one level in bard and take dragon disciple :)
14:16:51 <Wrothmonk> Nah
14:16:56 <Mort-> He has no cha
14:17:02 <Wrothmonk> ^this
14:17:07 <Mort-> Not sure if the dd casting would help
14:17:10 <Wrothmonk> same reason why I don't take magus.
14:17:42 <Mekkis> Steel Falcon!
14:17:45 <Mort-> Now where's my tail.
14:17:49 <Wrothmonk> ?
14:18:02 <Mekkis> play an Eagle Knight!
14:18:05 <kapow> must drink more coffee to stay awake
14:18:09 <Mort-> No no. Oh I'm playing heresy of man part 2
14:18:13 * kapow lets go of morts tail
14:18:15 <Mort-> This sat maybe
14:18:30 <Mekkis> kapow, you playing Day of the Demon tonight?
14:18:45 <Mort-> Oh. So you grabbed it again. Why are you constantly grabbing my tail?
14:18:56 <Wrothmonk> whats an eagle knight?
14:19:04 <Mort-> Lemurs should get a feat. Grabbing tail
14:19:08 <Mekkis> Andoran antislaver
14:19:19 <Wrothmonk> prestige class?
14:19:23 <Mekkis> yeah
14:19:25 <Mort-> Oh another fun one to think about
14:19:31 <Wrothmonk> I don't see it on d20
14:19:36 <Mort-> What if you tried a zen archer druid
14:19:49 <kapow> no mekk
14:19:55 <kapow> i have this to do unfortunetely
14:20:03 <kapow> was kind of releived no tsar on this week
14:20:15 <Mekkis> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/i-m/mammoth-rider
14:20:15 <Mort-> Some things aren't legal for pfs play
14:20:17 <kapow> I never let go in the first place mort
14:20:48 <Mort-> It may not be legal. Because it grants you a flying mount
14:21:01 <Mekkis> (also: don't trust that site: iirc, Paths of Prestige has lower prereqs)
14:21:08 <Mort-> Like i think the sable marine ranger archtype is not legal for pfs play
14:21:51 <Mort-> Because you will have this archery ranger happily sniping from the back of a hipogriff
14:22:27 <Wrothmonk> Erm no thanks… I'm not much of one for mounted combat, plus I like to be able to fit into rooms and stuff.
14:22:34 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, Student of War
14:22:38 <Mort-> Rangers sometimes dip rogues
14:22:48 <Mort-> Makes for good disable device magical traps
14:23:04 <Wrothmonk> I was justing thinking for the sneak attack damage while flanking with animal companion.
14:23:16 <Wrothmonk> disable devise is good though.
14:23:24 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, sneak attack is Not Much damage
14:23:39 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I realize that now.
14:23:47 <Mort-> Uh i should know the sneak attack with an animal companion bit pretty much
14:24:01 <Mort-> Sort of do it. Quite some
14:24:10 <Mekkis> Not Much Damage
14:24:14 * Mort- meows
14:24:29 <Mort-> 1 more level to evasion!
14:24:31 <Wrothmonk> hrm… possibly.
14:24:39 <kapow> telemarketing
14:24:54 <kapow> making you talk to nuclear physists and having them expect you to understand what they just said
14:24:55 <Mort-> And permanent begging for mage armor
14:25:35 <Mort-> You got brains kapow.
14:25:36 <Mort-> You can do it!
14:25:45 <Mort-> Btw yeah heresy of man part 2 maybe on sat
14:25:51 <Mort-> Probably my wizard i will bring
14:25:54 <Mekkis> Brightness Seeker
14:26:02 <Mort-> Not pfs legal
14:26:18 <Mekkis> Battle Herald
14:26:32 <Mort-> That one is funny but he has no cha
14:27:03 <Mort-> My cleric could try that one but I'm not sure she should be any where in battle
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14:27:16 <Mort-> Actually she should stay 30ft or more away
14:30:16 * Mort- paws at wrothmonk
14:30:25 <Wrothmonk> Yes?
14:31:14 <Mort-> Art thou looking for knowledge of any kind?
14:31:19 <Mort-> Or cheese? :p
14:31:45 <Mekkis> I've got a boon for you, Mort-
14:32:07 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/golden_parachute.pdf
14:32:07 <Mort-> Uh really?
14:33:20 * Wrothmonk has looked through the majority of prestige classes listed on d20
14:33:44 <Mort-> Very funny
14:33:49 <Wrothmonk> magic requirements, magic requirements everywhere...
14:33:51 <Mort-> Instant level 20?
14:34:04 <Mort-> What do you want wrothmonk
14:34:18 <Mort-> Tell me what you have in mind ill try to help
14:34:33 <Wrothmonk> A prestige class for combat.
14:34:33 <Mort-> I'm not very good on prestidge classes though
14:34:48 <Mort-> What do you want to do in combat
14:35:20 <Wrothmonk> Two weapon fighting is what I like to do. Just do as much damage as possible.
14:35:27 <Wrothmonk> basiclly
14:35:57 <Mort-> Two weapons..
14:36:19 <Mort-> Do you have darkvision and 13 int?
14:36:34 <Wrothmonk> int of 9, human.
14:36:36 <Wrothmonk> :P
14:38:04 <Mort-> Hm
14:38:20 <Mort-> Mekkis how does this play out
14:38:59 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/core-rulebook/shadowdancer
14:39:18 <Mort-> Can you stay stealthed all the time?
14:40:37 <Wrothmonk> I considered it already, not much of an improvement in the direction i want to go.
14:40:43 <Mort-> I think probably straight ranger is better
14:40:54 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I'm thinking that as well
14:41:03 <Mort-> Horizon walker only if you're playing specific stuff
14:41:15 <Mort-> Like skulls and shackles
14:41:24 <Brunius> Mort-
14:41:30 <Brunius> have you ever had pop tarts?
14:41:30 <Mort-> Yes?
14:41:37 <Mort-> No sorry
14:41:44 <Brunius> They are delicious
14:41:47 <Brunius> See if anyone imports them
14:41:50 <Wrothmonk> You haven't had pop tarts?
14:42:06 <Brunius> They're not that common outside america
14:42:09 <Mort-> Of course not
14:42:12 <Wrothmonk> Sh
14:42:14 <Mort-> I'm sg
14:42:15 <Wrothmonk> Ah*
14:47:05 <Brunius> Out of curiousity, how much are they over there, per/box?
14:47:48 <Wrothmonk> poptarts?
14:47:52 <Brunius> yeah
14:47:54 <Wrothmonk> Depends on the box size.
14:47:59 <Brunius> wait what
14:48:03 <Brunius> there's more than one box size?
14:48:08 <Wrothmonk> Yes.
14:48:14 <Brunius> I've only ever encountered the ones with 8/box
14:48:23 <Wrothmonk> Thats one of them.
14:48:48 <Wrothmonk> Theres also a 12 and a rare 24 box.
14:49:12 <Wrothmonk> 8 its about $3 I think, 12 is more like $5
14:49:31 <Brunius> Cheapest I've seen an 8 over here is 8, avg is more like 10 or 12 :(
14:49:44 <Wrothmonk> $1 a pop tart, really?
14:49:56 <Brunius> yup
14:50:00 <Wrothmonk> dayum
14:50:07 <Brunius> Maybe I should establish my own sugar-filled pastry business
14:50:11 <Wrothmonk> :P
14:50:43 <Wrothmonk> I was just giving the averages btw...
14:50:52 <Wrothmonk> they are sometimes lower :P
14:51:12 * Brunius shakes his fist vaguely in the direction of america
14:51:22 <Wrothmonk> lol.
14:51:45 <Wrothmonk> let me guess "Curse you and your cheap delicious pastries!!!"
14:51:57 <Wrothmonk> Oh what flavors do you get over there?
14:54:18 <Tashes> Bru, i'm poptart rich :D
14:54:22 <Tashes> Hydra bought me SOOO MANY!
14:54:55 <Tashes> and wroth, he's trying to say it averages about $11/8 poptarts. Yes. It's disgusting.
14:55:14 <Wrothmonk> ...
14:55:16 <Wrothmonk> Wow.
14:55:26 <Mort-> They taste good?
14:55:38 <Tashes> SMORT!
14:55:43 <Brunius> Tashes, let's start our own sugar-filled-pastry business
14:55:44 <Tashes> They're too sweet for me.
14:55:50 <Wrothmonk> You would probably love them mort.
14:55:58 <Tashes> i loved the apple cinnamon ones
14:56:09 <Tashes> Brunius: have you been to a good Greek patisserie?
14:56:15 <Brunius> Nope
14:56:21 <Tashes> Do that.
14:56:21 <Wrothmonk> apple cinnamon?
14:56:29 <Wrothmonk> I haven't seen that flavor.
14:56:34 <Tashes> you used to be able to get apple cinnamon here.
14:56:40 <Tashes> i'm JUST old enough to remember it
14:56:55 <Tashes> Maybe a pensioner like Avatar will remember
14:56:58 <Wrothmonk> ah.
14:57:04 <Brunius> I remember it...
14:57:12 <Brunius> Never consumed it, but I remember seeing it
14:57:42 <Wrothmonk> The pop tarts here always have some form of chocolate in them. Except for the berries… The ones that need it the most D:
14:58:37 <Tashes> cookie dough is my favourite so far
14:58:50 <Wrothmonk> Cookie dough is awesome!
14:59:09 <Wrothmonk> although for me its a debate between cookie dough and plain chocolate chip.
15:00:09 <Tashes> i've got a box of strawberry hiding in my pantry, i'm looking forward to those
15:00:21 <Tashes> Hdyra bought me stacks of Smores flavour. But they're too sweet :(
15:00:31 <Tashes> One sends me hyper for an hour
15:00:35 * Tashes bounces on Mort-
15:00:43 <Wrothmonk> and you want to try the strawberries?
15:01:04 <Mort-> Might hi tashes
15:01:05 <Tashes> I was hoping it'd be less intensely sugar
15:01:07 <Mort-> I want some
15:01:12 <Wrothmonk> Those are like the sweetest ones..
15:01:13 <Mort-> But I'm so far away
15:01:19 <Tashes> ;_;
15:01:28 <Wrothmonk> and how are the Smores "Sweet?"
15:01:45 <Mort-> Time for me to head back
15:01:45 <Wrothmonk> sweet*
15:01:46 <Mort-> Work
15:02:10 <Tashes> oh thats right, you're american. Your tastebuds are broken :p
15:02:18 * Tashes farewell's Mort-
15:02:28 <Wrothmonk> No, your tastebuds are broken:P
15:03:18 <Mort-> I love sweet things
15:03:33 <Mort-> I'm a sweet tooth to the core
15:03:36 <Wrothmonk> You would love pop tarts. Period.
15:04:18 * Mort- cries
15:04:25 <Mort-> I don't have pop tarts
15:04:44 <Tashes> Come visit me smort!
15:04:51 <Mort-> Lol.
15:05:01 <Mort-> I'm broke
15:05:11 <Mort-> + i wonder what you would do with a muq
15:05:14 <Mort-> Mur
15:05:14 <Tashes> I made cookies this morning
15:05:53 * Mort- paws tashes
15:06:02 <Mort-> My dresses are too tight
15:06:24 <Tashes> sexxay!
15:06:49 <Mort-> No. I can't get in
15:07:34 <Mekkis> photos :)
15:08:56 <Mort-> Not showing you any
15:09:12 <Mort-> Show only to tashie and hydra
15:10:08 <Tashes> :p
15:10:11 * Tashes speshul
15:10:20 <Mekkis> :(
15:10:48 <Mort-> :)
15:11:04 <Mort-> You see me in a dress before right tashie
15:11:14 <Tashes> Yus! Pretty.
15:12:15 * Mort- blushes
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15:16:21 <Tashes> She's such a silly creature
15:16:39 <Brunius> And the award for obvious statement of the week goes to...
15:19:56 <Mekkis> if I say "Tashes" now, I win it, right?
15:21:31 <Tashes> Will it look bad on my resume to have a whole page of volunteer work and then about two lines of paid work?
15:22:00 <Tashes> My volunteer stuff is all ongoing or last year, and my paid work was 2011
15:22:13 <Tashes> (i'm not putting anything that lasted less than six months on there)
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15:38:07 * Steven is bored.
15:38:28 * Tashes
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15:48:03 <Steven> im gonna go play shitty video games
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17:03:51 Topic for #d&d set by Avatar at Sun Mar 3 22:07:37 2013
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17:04:15 <Mekkis> would Delay Poison grant immunity to cloudkill?
17:06:39 <Avatar> what's the descriptor for cloudkill
17:06:54 <Mekkis> !spell cloudkill
17:06:55 <diebot> Mekkis, CLOUDKILL conjuration (creation[poison]) sorcerer/wizard 5, witch 5, magus 5 1 standard action Range: medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./level) Comp: V, S Duration: 1 min./level Save: Fortitude partial; see text SR:no
17:06:55 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/cloudkill.html
17:07:03 <Mekkis> creation[poison]
17:09:23 <Avatar> there's your answer
17:09:29 <Mekkis> yes?
17:09:30 <Mekkis> cool
17:09:54 <Mekkis> trust my luck for it to be on everyone else's spell list
17:10:06 <Mekkis> bard 2, cleric 2, druid 2, paladin 2, ranger 1, alchemist 2, witch 2, inquisitor 2
17:10:12 <Mekkis> why not wizard?
17:10:13 <Mekkis> :(
17:10:28 <Avatar> because you get cloudkill
17:11:00 <Mekkis> it just shows how broken the Witch class is
17:11:26 <Avatar> witches rule
17:11:28 <Avatar> what are you saying
17:12:31 <Avatar> what diabolical plan are you conjuring up this time
17:12:56 <Brunius> it strikes me as funny that cloudkill is conjuration and avatar is referring to mekkis conjuruing stuff
17:13:01 <Brunius> I dunno why
17:13:05 <Mekkis> simple:
17:13:19 <Mekkis> cast Delay Poison, wear a Goz mask, cast cloudkill
17:13:25 <Mekkis> you have total concealment
17:13:31 <Mekkis> they're taking 1d4 con damage a round
17:13:36 <Mekkis> and you can see them without issue
17:20:20 <Mekkis> is Shadowy Haven PFS legal?
17:23:10 <Mekkis> What animal companion should my druid get?
17:23:17 <Avatar> go urban druid
17:23:57 <Mekkis> ummm
17:23:58 <Mekkis> sorry
17:24:06 <Mekkis> what animal companion should my cleric get
17:27:12 <Mekkis> IIRC, clerics are limited to CRB companions, right?
17:28:01 <Mekkis> hmmm
17:28:08 <Mekkis> is there a moose animal companion?
17:29:25 <Mekkis> ok
17:29:26 <Mekkis> there is
17:29:29 <Mekkis> in Animal Archive
17:29:47 <Tashes> why do you want a moose?
17:29:50 <Tashes> they don't even moo
17:30:22 <Ulzef> nah they get full companion selection because they are treated as druid purdy sure anyways
17:30:46 <Mekkis> is there a stag companion?
17:30:56 <Mekkis> for a cleric of Erastil
17:30:56 <Ulzef> ya
17:31:02 <Ulzef> in kingmaker
17:31:21 <Ulzef> book 1
17:31:45 <Mekkis> that sucks
17:33:24 <Ulzef> its legal you would just have to get source its in the players guide as well now i think about it
17:33:42 <Mekkis> there's the elk
17:33:47 <Mekkis> in bestiary 3
17:35:10 <Mekkis> I'll just ask on the forums
17:35:46 <Mekkis> there's a fair bit of "non-druids can't have Additional Animal Companions" going on
17:40:03 <Brunius> 'I'll just ask on the forums'
17:40:09 <Brunius> You know it's gonna start a war
17:40:14 <Mekkis> yeah
17:40:29 <Mekkis> I'll create a few alts and flame both ways
17:40:38 <Brunius> Sounds good
17:40:40 <Mekkis> until Someone takes notice, answers it, and locks it
17:40:43 <Mekkis> want to help?
17:40:48 <Mekkis> http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pjou?PFSlegal-companions-for-a-cleric-with-the#1
17:42:02 <Mekkis> what's the chance that it gets shoved over to Rules Questions forum?
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18:10:46 <Steven> IM BACK!
18:23:48 <Avatar> anyone interested in playtesting the rpg superstar encounters?
19:02:35 <Brunius> Uh
19:02:41 <Brunius> Did Ted Baillieu just quit?
19:03:06 <Steven> made my list of sins for Rise of the runelords!
19:03:47 <Steven> so what up yo.
19:26:04 <Steven> so what do you know about demonic Obidiences?
19:27:00 <Steven> mistype
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20:18:30 <Steven> just told my buddy how in the AP Reign of Winter you get to go to earth during WWI... he is tripping balls
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22:08:35 <S711> Mekkis: I'm ready for another lesson.
22:08:42 <S711> On the topic of how the Internet works.
22:10:01 <S711> route print
22:10:13 <S711> That's something I'd like to understand for example.
22:42:47 <Mekkis> route print?
22:42:54 <Mekkis> paste the output here
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23:06:21 <S711> Mekkis:
23:06:25 <S711> ===========================================================================
23:06:25 <S711> Active Routes:
23:06:26 <S711> Network Destination Netmask Gateway Interface Metric
23:06:26 <S711> 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 141.192.105.1 141.192.105.176 20
23:06:26 <S711> 127.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
23:06:28 <S711> 127.0.0.1 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
23:06:30 <S711> 127.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
23:06:33 <S711> 141.192.105.0 255.255.255.0 On-link 141.192.105.176 276
23:06:35 <S711> 141.192.105.176 255.255.255.255 On-link 141.192.105.176 276
23:06:38 <S711> 141.192.105.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 141.192.105.176 276
23:06:41 <S711> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
23:06:43 <S711> 224.0.0.0 240.0.0.0 On-link 141.192.105.176 276
23:06:45 <S711> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 127.0.0.1 306
23:06:48 <S711> 255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 On-link 141.192.105.176 276
23:06:50 <S711> ===========================================================================
23:10:36 <Mekkis> what don't you understand?
23:19:22 <Mort-> Oh. So you grabbed it again. Why are you constantly grabbing my tail?
23:19:33 <Wrothmonk> whats an eagle knight?
23:19:40 <Mort-> Lemurs should get a feat. Grabbing tail
23:19:45 <Mekkis> Andoran antislaver
23:19:56 <Wrothmonk> prestige class?
23:20:00 <Mekkis> yeah
23:20:02 <Mort-> Oh another fun one to think about
23:20:08 <Wrothmonk> I don't see it on d20
23:20:13 <Mort-> What if you tried a zen archer druid
23:20:26 <kapow> no mekk
23:20:31 <kapow> i have this to do unfortunetely
23:20:40 <kapow> was kind of releived no tsar on this week
23:20:52 <Mort-> Some things aren't legal for pfs play
23:20:52 <Mekkis> http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/i-m/mammoth-rider
23:20:53 <kapow> I never let go in the first place mort
23:21:25 <Mort-> It may not be legal. Because it grants you a flying mount
23:21:38 <Mekkis> (also: don't trust that site: iirc, Paths of Prestige has lower prereqs)
23:21:45 <Mort-> Like i think the sable marine ranger archtype is not legal for pfs play
23:22:28 <Mort-> Because you will have this archery ranger happily sniping from the back of a hipogriff
23:23:04 <Wrothmonk> Erm no thanks… I'm not much of one for mounted combat, plus I like to be able to fit into rooms and stuff.
23:23:11 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, Student of War
23:23:15 <Mort-> Rangers sometimes dip rogues
23:23:25 <Mort-> Makes for good disable device magical traps
23:23:41 <Wrothmonk> I was justing thinking for the sneak attack damage while flanking with animal companion.
23:23:53 <Wrothmonk> disable devise is good though.
23:24:01 <Mekkis> Wrothmonk, sneak attack is Not Much damage
23:24:15 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I realize that now.
23:24:24 <Mort-> Uh i should know the sneak attack with an animal companion bit pretty much
23:24:37 <Mort-> Sort of do it. Quite some
23:24:47 <Mekkis> Not Much Damage
23:24:50 * Mort- meows
23:25:05 <Mort-> 1 more level to evasion!
23:25:08 <Wrothmonk> hrm… possibly.
23:25:16 <kapow> telemarketing
23:25:31 <kapow> making you talk to nuclear physists and having them expect you to understand what they just said
23:25:32 <Mort-> And permanent begging for mage armor
23:26:12 <Mort-> You got brains kapow.
23:26:13 <Mort-> You can do it!
23:26:22 <Mort-> Btw yeah heresy of man part 2 maybe on sat
23:26:28 <Mort-> Probably my wizard i will bring
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23:26:31 <Mekkis> Brightness Seeker
23:26:39 <Mort-> Not pfs legal
23:26:55 <Mekkis> Battle Herald
23:27:08 <Mort-> That one is funny but he has no cha
23:27:39 <Mort-> My cleric could try that one but I'm not sure she should be any where in battle
23:27:53 <Mort-> Actually she should stay 30ft or more away
23:30:53 * Mort- paws at wrothmonk
23:31:02 <Wrothmonk> Yes?
23:31:50 <Mort-> Art thou looking for knowledge of any kind?
23:31:56 <Mort-> Or cheese? :p
23:32:22 <Mekkis> I've got a boon for you, Mort-
23:32:44 <Mort-> Uh really?
23:32:44 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/golden_parachute.pdf
23:33:57 * Wrothmonk has looked through the majority of prestige classes listed on d20
23:34:21 <Mort-> Very funny
23:34:26 <Wrothmonk> magic requirements, magic requirements everywhere...
23:34:28 <Mort-> Instant level 20?
23:34:40 <Mort-> What do you want wrothmonk
23:34:55 <Mort-> Tell me what you have in mind ill try to help
23:35:10 <Wrothmonk> A prestige class for combat.
23:35:10 <Mort-> I'm not very good on prestidge classes though
23:35:25 <Mort-> What do you want to do in combat
23:35:57 <Wrothmonk> Two weapon fighting is what I like to do. Just do as much damage as possible.
23:36:04 <Wrothmonk> basiclly
23:36:34 <Mort-> Two weapons..
23:36:56 <Mort-> Do you have darkvision and 13 int?
23:37:10 <Wrothmonk> int of 9, human.
23:37:12 <Wrothmonk> :P
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23:38:41 <Mort-> Hm
23:38:57 <Mort-> Mekkis how does this play out
23:39:36 <Mort-> www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/core-rulebook/shadowdancer
23:39:55 <Mort-> Can you stay stealthed all the time?
23:41:14 <Wrothmonk> I considered it already, not much of an improvement in the direction i want to go.
23:41:20 <Mort-> I think probably straight ranger is better
23:41:31 <Wrothmonk> Yeah I'm thinking that as well
23:41:39 <Mort-> Horizon walker only if you're playing specific stuff
23:41:52 <Mort-> Like skulls and shackles
23:42:00 <Brunius> Mort-
23:42:07 <Brunius> have you ever had pop tarts?
23:42:07 <Mort-> Yes?
23:42:13 <Mort-> No sorry
23:42:20 <Brunius> They are delicious
23:42:24 <Brunius> See if anyone imports them
23:42:27 <Wrothmonk> You haven't had pop tarts?
23:42:42 <Brunius> They're not that common outside america
23:42:46 <Mort-> Of course not
23:42:49 <Wrothmonk> Sh
23:42:51 <Mort-> I'm sg
23:42:51 <Wrothmonk> Ah*
23:47:42 <Brunius> Out of curiousity, how much are they over there, per/box?
23:48:24 <Wrothmonk> poptarts?
23:48:29 <Brunius> yeah
23:48:31 <Wrothmonk> Depends on the box size.
23:48:36 <Brunius> wait what
23:48:40 <Brunius> there's more than one box size?
23:48:44 <Wrothmonk> Yes.
23:48:51 <Brunius> I've only ever encountered the ones with 8/box
23:49:00 <Wrothmonk> Thats one of them.
23:49:25 <Wrothmonk> Theres also a 12 and a rare 24 box.
23:49:49 <Wrothmonk> 8 its about $3 I think, 12 is more like $5
23:50:08 <Brunius> Cheapest I've seen an 8 over here is 8, avg is more like 10 or 12 :(
23:50:21 <Wrothmonk> $1 a pop tart, really?
23:50:32 <Brunius> yup
23:50:36 <Wrothmonk> dayum
23:50:43 <Brunius> Maybe I should establish my own sugar-filled pastry business
23:50:48 <Wrothmonk> :P
23:51:20 <Wrothmonk> I was just giving the averages btw...
23:51:29 <Wrothmonk> they are sometimes lower :P
23:51:49 * Brunius shakes his fist vaguely in the direction of america
23:51:59 <Wrothmonk> lol.
23:52:21 <Wrothmonk> let me guess "Curse you and your cheap delicious pastries!!!"
23:52:34 <Wrothmonk> Oh what flavors do you get over there?
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23:54:54 <Tashes> Bru, i'm poptart rich :D
23:54:59 <Tashes> Hydra bought me SOOO MANY!
23:55:31 <Tashes> and wroth, he's trying to say it averages about $11/8 poptarts. Yes. It's disgusting.
23:55:51 <Wrothmonk> ...
23:55:53 <Wrothmonk> Wow.
23:56:03 <Mort-> They taste good?
23:56:14 <Tashes> SMORT!
23:56:20 <Brunius> Tashes, let's start our own sugar-filled-pastry business
23:56:21 <Tashes> They're too sweet for me.
23:56:26 <Wrothmonk> You would probably love them mort.
23:56:35 <Tashes> i loved the apple cinnamon ones
23:56:45 <Tashes> Brunius: have you been to a good Greek patisserie?
23:56:52 <Brunius> Nope
23:56:57 <Tashes> Do that.
23:56:58 <Wrothmonk> apple cinnamon?
23:57:06 <Wrothmonk> I haven't seen that flavor.
23:57:11 <Tashes> you used to be able to get apple cinnamon here.
23:57:17 <Tashes> i'm JUST old enough to remember it
23:57:32 <Tashes> Maybe a pensioner like Avatar will remember
23:57:34 <Wrothmonk> ah.
23:57:41 <Brunius> I remember it...
23:57:49 <Brunius> Never consumed it, but I remember seeing it
23:58:14 <S711> Any of it to be honest.
23:58:19 <Wrothmonk> The pop tarts here always have some form of chocolate in them. Except for the berries… The ones that need it the most D:
23:59:14 <Tashes> cookie dough is my favourite so far
23:59:27 <Wrothmonk> Cookie dough is awesome!
23:59:45 <Wrothmonk> although for me its a debate between cookie dough and plain chocolate chip.
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