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18:27 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Scope spotting https://t.co/2eVOOnHyFJ
20:23 <Lemon> then I'll order some old OCXO from ebay, like oscilloquartz, mivrion or whatever
20:34 <Lemon> and measure them, to see if I get some ultra stable ones
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30:33 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: More scope action https://t.co/C0AS7lFAPn
31:33 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: And more! https://t.co/GCb3oYnOKH
32:34 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: And the Philips fanboys go wild! https://t.co/gRS3n5sxwO
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57:51 <Nothing\> woohoo
58:00 <Nothing\> don't have to go back to prison till may 2nd
58:20 <Nothing\> also
58:27 * Nothing\ hugs Ampera <3
58:42 <Nothing\> don't think i didn't see that ])
58:50 <Nothing\> =)
59:11 <Nothing\> damn, i've been using my keyboard on the tv so much that my brain's starting to default to QWERTY again
59:55 <rust_collector> Yaay! you are going to prison on my birthday! thanks!
00:09 <Nothing\> lol right on, how old you gonna be?
00:16 <Nothing\> i just turned 35 on the 6th
00:47 <rust_collector> 41
01:43 <Nothing\> jeez
01:50 <Nothing\> you old fart ]P
01:52 <Nothing\> =P
02:08 <Nothing\> lol remember back when 2 years ago difference was a big deal?
02:22 <rust_collector> yeah, I was 5, some time ago
02:31 <Nothing\> actually that's how old my brother will be in july, 41
04:24 <Nothing\> so speaking of philips, i couldn't help but notice the CXO in the CD-I runs at 31mhz, but the actual clock speed of the cpu is only 15.5, i wonder why they'd have a CXO running at twice the speed of the CPU clock
04:59 * Ampera smacks Nothing\ 
05:00 <Ampera> you fool
05:03 <Nothing\> i figure maybe for other parts in the chipset, or maybe some weird dual clock setup, but i always figured dual clocks just used 2 clocks of the same frequency 180 degrees out of phase
05:04 <Ampera> this is your actual prison
05:08 <Ampera> and you're stuck here
05:08 <Nothing\> lol Ampera
05:09 <Ampera> WITH ME
05:22 <Nothing\> that's more accurate than you think
05:36 <Nothing\> i'm still on house arrest for the weekends while i'm supposed to be in there
05:42 <Nothing\> so technically this IS my prison
05:52 <Nothing\> only, no strip searches or x-rays of my rectum
06:09 <Nothing\> which i had to do every time i went in there
06:28 <rust_collector> I do not think they will stop you, if... you know
06:41 <Nothing\> Z
06:45 <Nothing\> er... ?
06:51 <Nothing\> not sure i follow
07:00 <Nothing\> you mean if i tried to go out?
07:19 <rust_collector> you can do your own strip search, if you want
07:30 <Nothing\> the funny thing is, they warn you that the police will come and check on you randomly, but everyone i talked to said nobody came by to check on them
08:01 <Nothing\> which makes sense, there are 400 of us and they're not gonna send a cop to each and every person's home to check on them unless they had a good reason
08:27 <Nothing\> lol the strip searches weren't actually as bad as you'd think
09:18 <rust_collector> at home, you can make them as bad as you like
09:55 <Nothing\> you go into this change room, undress, put on prison issue boxers, then go over to this area with a huard standing there, you pull down your skivvies, turn around, bend over, show the bottoms of each foot and you're done
10:01 <Nothing\> whole thing takes about 5 seconds
10:11 <Nothing\> then you go over to a counter and get your jump suit
10:45 <rust_collector> not anything like your diy version of home
10:55 <Nothing\> they also have theis weird thing, it looks like a chair with a table on the head part of it
11:20 <Nothing\> they make your put each of your face cheeks on the table part, then sit in the chair for a moment
11:31 <Nothing\> i have no clue what it does, but nobody's ever set it off whatever it is
11:43 <Nothing\> i figure maybe a metal detector
12:00 <Nothing\> but then, why do it when we're in our buster browns
12:02 <rust_collector> meh, it is just that guy who used to work there, that started doing that, just before he quit
12:09 <rust_collector> it does nothing
12:32 <Nothing\> lol that's what i told the guys, it probably does nothing and they're just messing with us
13:05 <Nothing\> Ampera: so how you been, buddy? you staying safe?
13:20 <Nothing\> still working, despite this debacle?
13:27 <Ampera> probably cought bat soup flu
13:32 <Ampera> no way to know
13:38 <Ampera> quite mild symptoms, could be anything
13:47 <Nothing\> that's how they say it starts
13:51 <Ampera> and I am still working, I've been informed that I am being extended permanent employment too
13:58 <Ampera> It's been like that for days
14:07 <Nothing\> awesome! congrats, man
14:17 <Nothing\> i'm happy for you
14:24 <Ampera> I am also now lead QA of one of our software projects
14:37 <Nothing\> you've really made some great improvements to your life in the short time i've known you
14:42 <Nothing\> you should be proud
14:52 <Ampera> half luck half determination
15:15 <Nothing\> and i'm sure with working now, you have less time to think about upsetting/anxiety provoking things
15:25 <Nothing\> so you've probably felt better mentally
15:32 <Ampera> I used to, but now I'm stuck at home
15:36 <Ampera> which hasn't helped
15:40 <Nothing\> yeah i can see that
15:48 <Ampera> but I've lasted years with my mental issues, I'll last many more
15:55 <Nothing\> just gotta find other ways to keep your mind occupied
16:07 <Nothing\> i study, for that end, personally
16:41 <Nothing\> can't ruminate if i'm focused on learning circuit analysis or about the workings of a specific component or some such
17:01 <rust_collector> I think it is weird to hear about people being stuck at home.
17:10 <Nothing\> how's that?
17:21 <Nothing\> just cuz it's nothing new for you?
17:39 <rust_collector> well, because I am not, I have not done this much work in years
17:54 <Nothing\> how do you mean?
18:30 <rust_collector> I go to work... then I work more, then I go home. the next day, I go to work.... and so on
18:38 <Nothing\> ah i see
19:05 <Nothing\> yeah this is no different for me, i only leave the house like twice a week as it is
19:29 <rust_collector> I did 23 hours overtime last week. But in general, I have not noticed a thing different to usual, except that my kebab place is closed
20:21 <rust_collector> oh, and less traffic, which is nice
22:23 <Nothing\> yeah i just drove to toronto to go to the prison and the traffic was so sparse
22:30 <Nothing\> it was nice
22:50 <DHess_US> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/rhode-island-police-to-hunt-down-new-yorkers-seeking-refuge
23:08 <Nothing\> hey DHess_US
23:12 <Nothing\> question
23:18 <Nothing\> are you related to rudolph hess?
24:10 <Nothing\> legit question btw, not trying to troll or anything
24:25 <Nothing\> though i imagine hess is probably a fairly common surname in germany
24:56 <DHess_US> Oh, you mean uncle Rudy?
25:50 <DHess_US> Nope, no relation that I know of. I've been told I have cousins in Germany but by my paternal grandfather was an American so if there is any relation, it predated WW2.
26:34 <DHess_US> Do note however that my father does resemble Rudolph.
27:07 <DHess_US> Which doesn't mean much. They both look like John Belushi.
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29:41 <Nothing\> lol
29:59 <Nothing\> yeah i figured you were probably a yank
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30:32 <DHess_US> Did the _US give it away?
30:44 <Nothing\> maybe... lol
30:47 <DHess_US> I think my paternal grandfather's family came down from Canada.
30:55 <Nothing\> i was about to ctcp time you to be sure
31:04 <Nothing\> that's okay, my mom was born in germany
31:18 <DHess_US> I'm about 2/3rd German.
31:21 <Nothing\> my grandfather actually fought for the nazis during the war, though i don't think it was voluntary
31:31 <DHess_US> Father was full German.
31:31 <Nothing\> from what i herad they beat the piss out of him until he agreed
31:44 <DHess_US> Well, Germany did draft.
31:53 <DHess_US> But so did most nations involved in the war.
31:54 <Nothing\> he was born in czecheslovakia and was moved to germany at some point
32:06 <Nothing\> some for my grandmother, was born in yugoslavia
32:06 <DHess_US> I have a WW2 German P-38.
32:16 <Nothing\> nice, i have no memorabilia
32:32 <DHess_US> I think it is the only thing I have from any war.
32:35 <Nothing\> my family history on that side is confusing though
32:51 <Nothing\> my grandparents said we're german, despite not being born in germany
33:05 <Nothing\> and my grandfather looks extremely slavic
33:08 <Nothing\> or looked
33:32 <DHess_US> I'm one of those Germans where if you put me in the desert for a couple weeks, I turn dark and the hair of my arms bleaches out so I look like one of those soldiers in the Africa Korps.
33:49 <Nothing\> he never liked talking about that time of his life though, so i didn't get much info out of him about it
34:07 <Nothing\> and my great aunt, his sister died before i could ask about it
34:31 <DHess_US> Not surprising. It wasn't a pleasant time for most who were personally involved.
35:14 <Nothing\> yeah, i remember my great aunt one christmas going on at great length about how the russians invaded her village and pillaged everything, ransacked her house and took everything even remotely of value
35:25 <DHess_US> My paternal grandfather worked at the navy shipyards during the war as a welder.
35:34 <Nothing\> in the US?
35:38 <DHess_US> yes
35:41 <Nothing\> right on
35:50 <DHess_US> On the west coast so Bremington I think.
35:55 <Nothing\> it's amazing to think how the war affected all of us, isn't it?
36:05 <Nothing\> like i never would have existed if not for WWII
36:08 <DHess_US> I was obviously born long after the war.
36:11 <Nothing\> since it brought my grandparents together
36:47 <DHess_US> Yea, things get weird on my mom's side of the family during the war.
37:00 <Nothing\> same
37:29 <Nothing\> i really need to do one of those dna tests to see just how slavic i am
37:47 <DHess_US> My maternal grandfather didn't want to be drafted so he got a deferment by adopting a niece and nephew to add to his two children.
37:49 <Nothing\> my cousin did ane and there is slavic, but he didn't say how much
37:52 <DHess_US> Or something like that.
37:56 <Nothing\> and i'm baltic too, apparently
38:19 <Nothing\> interesting
38:55 <Nothing\> there are so many interesting stories from people about that era in human history
39:11 <Nothing\> it's a shame so many are dying off now
39:50 <DHess_US> I would try not to think of it that way.
40:46 <Nothing\> how would you think of it?
43:04 <Nothing\> omf i'm soooo damn tired
44:17 <DHess_US> Shame implies fault rather than praise of their accomplishments.
44:31 <DHess_US> As if there was some alternative to eventually dying.
28:02 <Lemon> hey peepsd
31:18 <rust_collector> hi
36:25 <Lemon> hi hi
36:46 <rust_collector> hey ho lets go
40:08 <Lemon> im trying to determine the real accuracy of the little counter
41:31 <rust_collector> I am trying to figure out why people do chilli eating contests
44:11 <Lemon> those people are weird
47:05 <Lemon> because honestly when I look at it, it seems that much more expensive counters dont offer much more in term of accuracy
47:17 <Lemon> a gpsdo once locked and stable is a really accurate ref
47:33 <Lemon> so well I guess the counter dont matter that much, as long as it got the resolution
48:16 <Nothing\> hey Lemon
48:31 <Lemon> hey !
48:39 <Nothing\> i just wanted to say, thanks for praying for me back when i was having a hard time
48:52 <Nothing\> it really seems to have helped, at least in part
49:54 <Lemon> Im glad to hear it :> but you did the hardest !
53:14 <Nothing\> indeed, though it's hard to keep that in mind
53:26 <Nothing\> i always feel like most of the word was done by god
54:47 <rust_collector> cat is trying to crawl into a bag of cat food. I guess god has a sense of humor
58:09 <Nothing\> ol i love it when they get their head stuck in a bag and they slowl
58:10 <Nothing\> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
58:10 <Nothing\> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
58:15 <Nothing\> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
58:20 <Nothing\> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
58:24 <Nothing\> oops, shit sorry
58:26 <Nothing\> i fell asleep on the keyboard
58:33 <rust_collector> mmm
01:35 <Nothing\> i keep falling asleep randomly andeiwhut nomo
01:47 * Nothing\ slaps himself in the face
02:12 <rust_collector> andeiwhut nomo is the worst
02:45 <Nothing\> do mwhat?
03:42 <rust_collector> he was the president of the democratic general area of middle african country, I think?
04:51 <rust_collector> he took away lego and candy from all the kids, so now they have to kick tin cans around, and go to school
06:26 <Nothing\> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
06:40 * T3sl4 slaps Nothing\ with a caffienated trout
06:48 <Nothing\> lol funny how i fell asleep on the Z key
10:02 <Nothing\> T3sl4: yeah i've been drinking a cup of coffee and t
10:02 <Nothing\> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
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10:18 <Nothing\> whoops, sorry
10:20 <rust_collector> exactly
10:46 <rust_collector> don't drink coffee, just chew the beans.
11:41 <T3sl4> are you just doing this on purpose now or are you actually narcoleptic
12:15 <T3sl4> just go to bed ffs
15:04 <Nothing\> sorrpy about that guys
16:20 <Nothing\> so, off topic
17:22 <Nothing\> ahhh man i've gottta pee o bad
17:52 <rust_collector> you should do that, before you no longer need to
18:12 <Nothing\> yeah really
18:25 <Nothing\> man, you ever get urinary retention? that's the worst torture ever
18:41 <Nothing\> when you have to pee really really bad, but it's physically impossible to do so
19:09 <rust_collector> mmm, no
21:10 <Nothing\> it's torture
21:23 <Nothing\> and the catheter they need to put in to fix it is not too fun, either
21:46 <Lemon> well the dude with the probe instantly refunded me when I openned the ebay case...
21:52 <Lemon> not a single answer over weeks, nothing
21:57 <Lemon> what a dick
22:13 <Lemon> and yeah I know about urnary retention
22:19 <Lemon> thanks to opioids :>
22:35 <Nothing\> yup, same
22:52 <Nothing\> though mine was mainly from when i used to abuse dextromethorphan based cough syrups
27:12 <Lemon> aff dxm
27:33 <Lemon> I never got any urinary retention problem with it but I was taking tablets
27:41 <Lemon> 720mg a night
27:49 <Lemon> listenning to king krule
28:01 <Lemon> during a good two years I think, maybe a tad less
28:55 <Nothing\> yeah i found after i did more than around 300mg of dxm it'd hit real bad with urinary retention
29:24 <Nothing\> though my thing was, i liked to binge on the stuff, so i'd be taking 750mg a day, give or take
31:30 <Lemon> I think it was my favorite drug, with opioids
31:47 <Lemon> now its test equipement !
33:23 <Nothing\> i was into poppy seed tea just cuz of how cheap and easily available it was
34:57 <rust_collector> oh hey chemical brothers...
35:13 <rust_collector> zzzzz
35:21 <Nothing\> oldskool
36:20 <rust_collector> https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/1965_oldsmobile_vista_cruiser_1559054790a3b64c03f8DSCN1417-e1560349252557-940x627.jpg
36:27 <rust_collector> that is a cool olds
37:18 <Nothing\> nice, oldskool indeed
37:37 <Nothing\> mmm i got a hot crossed bun to eat
37:39 <rust_collector> so, those "dac" amplifier thingies, they are just amps?
38:02 <rust_collector> where does the d come from?
38:05 <Lemon> ok so from what I read
38:21 <Lemon> a regular GPSDO, onver a long period of time can be accurate to 10e-13
38:29 <Nothing\> i don't believe they're amps
38:30 <Lemon> thats 0.0001Hz at 1Ghz
38:39 <Nothing\> i could be wrong though
39:03 <rust_collector> ok, I dunno. but people keep saying everyone needs them, so I should look up what they are
40:07 <Nothing\> i have this nifty ADC chip that has 8 channels for input
41:11 <Nothing\> okay suppose i should watch something while i eat this bun, bbiab
42:13 <Lemon> haaaaaa rust_collector I clicked
42:16 <Lemon> I clicked !
42:28 <rust_collector> wow
42:30 <Lemon> my money, my moneyyyyy
42:41 <rust_collector> bye bye
43:09 <Lemon> whyyy bye
43:11 <Lemon> no leave
43:16 <Lemon> u no liv
43:17 <rust_collector> your money
43:24 <Lemon> ha yes
43:24 <Lemon> bye bye money
43:47 <Lemon> it will be a nice addition, and a great way to start playing with OCXO and other GPSDO thingies
43:53 <rust_collector> it is good to see you helping the economy in this difficult time
45:10 <Lemon> haha yes
48:39 <Lemon> but you see where this is going I guess
48:43 <Lemon> all those digits....
49:16 <rust_collector> I wonder what I will do later this year. if work keeps going like this, I have to take 2 months off
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50:26 <rust_collector> ok, so a dac is pretty much a dac. that is good to know, lol
50:36 <Lemon> find yourself something to tinker with
51:05 <rust_collector> I have plenty of stuff to do. I just do not feel like doing much, most of the time
51:20 <rust_collector> I should finish my tractor project this summer
51:31 <rust_collector> "finish"
51:48 <rust_collector> at least get it sort of working
54:23 <rust_collector> the main thing I need for that now, is a rear axle. i want something sort of small, just so I have a bit of ground clearance, even with small-ish tires.
55:18 <Lemon> ha yeah thats some big work
55:48 <rust_collector> well, it is not a huge project. but it will take some time.
56:31 <rust_collector> and it will be nice to make something, not just patch together shitty old cars, just to keep them going for a bit longer
56:55 <Lemon> yeah thats true
57:00 <Lemon> speaking of patching thing
57:13 <Lemon> I want to get some nice old OCXO's, and swap them with the one in the GPSDO module I'll get
57:14 <steve30> hi
57:20 <Lemon> hi steve
57:39 <Lemon> I want to try various gps and ocxo combinaisions
57:43 <Lemon> combinaitions ?
57:50 <rust_collector> right
58:21 <rust_collector> well, hmm, can you put some kind of socket in there, maybe?
59:01 <Lemon> hmmm I doubt it
59:11 <Lemon> but I can work something ugly but practical
59:24 <Lemon> hell I might end up getting one of those trimble thunderbolt gpsdo everybody talks about
59:32 <Lemon> its a tad expensive but well
59:40 <rust_collector> everybody is not talking about those
00:13 <rust_collector> I wonder if it is just both of you, using different nicks
01:34 <rust_collector> but, I am at least pretty sure most people are not talking about those
01:40 <Lemon> well everybody in the time nuts game I guess
02:08 <Nothing\> ahaha i just made a homebrew optocoupler
02:56 <rust_collector> heh
03:06 <Nothing\> just took a phototransistor and an IR LED and pointed them at one another keeping them in place with some heatshrink, sorta like that electric fence controller dave had if you saw that video
03:19 <Nothing\> only problem is the propogation delay is absolute shit
03:20 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Trimble-10MHz-ThunderBolt-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-GPSDO-Module-Frequency-Standard/332390729098?hash=item4d6408058a:g:oOEAAOSw07lbh4ki
03:28 <Nothing\> only something like 100us
03:35 <Nothing\> but it works, otherwise
04:30 <Nothing\> i just got a sudden urge to make an hbridge for a dc motor contoller so i think i'll give that a go
06:12 <Nothing\> oh, that's right, i was gonna try making a tl431 based vref. maybe i'll do that first since it shouldn't take too long
06:22 <Nothing\> just gotto read up on them
06:53 <Nothing\> i've got like 100+ of these TL431s cuz they're literally a dime a dozen
08:01 <Nothing\> gotta say, i'm really glad i'm getting back into hands-on electronics. i was kinda slacking off the last couple of months what with the stress of court and all
10:30 <Nothing\> i'm the sorta guy who will jump from one hobby to the next in a matter of a week ro so, sometimes less than a few days, so i was getting worried that was gonna be the case with electronics
10:53 <Nothing\> but so far i've stuck with it for... well, going on almost 3 years now :D
12:30 <Nothing\> or maybe i should make this sine wave generator i got the idea for the other day
13:17 <rust_collector> no, make a vref with a 431 first
13:43 <rust_collector> make it adjustable from 0.2 to 8v
14:38 <rust_collector> what is your idea for the sine thingie?
17:08 <Nothing\> so i have this LC meter right
17:19 <Nothing\> and i noticed the output is a sinewave of about .5vrms
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19:02 <Nothing\> so i figure i run that through a non-inverting amplifying from an op amp and bump the voltage up to 5v, maybe put that output through a buffer
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19:57 <Nothing\> and BAM 5v PP sine wave
20:01 <rust_collector> how fast is that thing?
20:19 <Nothing\> dpends on the inductor i have in it
20:30 <Nothing\> lemme try with a tiny inductance and see
21:02 <Nothing\> i'll try a single trurn airgap with the width of my finger
22:10 <Nothing\> hrm if i can find that piece of enamelwire i was using yesterday
25:21 <Nothing\> can't rmemeber where i put my lighter to strip the enamel from the ends now :/
25:29 <T3sl4> just put a divider on it so it sets 5.0V...
25:50 <Nothing\> how would that work?
26:03 <Nothing\> it puts out 500mv, so a divider wouldn't do that, would it?
27:00 <Nothing\> i'm just gonna use my oven to light a piece of paper and strip the enamel with that
29:00 <Nothing\> right, got my single turn air core inductor, let's see if the meter can handle it
29:43 <Nothing\> yup, 0.130uh so let's see what the frequency is
30:30 <Nothing\> 683,320hz
30:38 <Nothing\> not too shabby
31:11 <Nothing\> except now i forget what the question wa i was answering by doing this
31:24 <rust_collector> what speed it uses, lol
31:28 <rust_collector> so yes
31:30 <Nothing\> ah yeah
32:27 <rust_collector> what do you get, if you use a capacitor?
33:11 <Nothing\> i couldn't actually measure a frequency with that, so i'm wondering if it just uses a dc voltage to charge it and measures the time constant
33:42 <Nothing\> it's based on an STM8S003
33:50 <Nothing\> just one of those cheapy LC meters
33:50 <rust_collector> probably, but does it do it once, or does it charge/discharge, then start over
33:57 <Nothing\> works amazingly well for its price though
34:20 <Nothing\> as far as i could tell, it does it over and over again
34:36 <Nothing\> but i never actually checked with a scope, just my DMM
35:01 <rust_collector> maybe that could work too...
35:26 <Nothing\> these little things are awesome though for their price, i'd strongly recommend getting one if you haven't got an LC meter
35:58 <rust_collector> yeah, but I do. I think mine is even cheaper, lol
37:49 <Nothing\> i just want a sine wave source to play around with filters with
38:07 <rust_collector> well, it is one of those "transistor tester" things, that just happens to do some other mesurements as well
38:19 <Nothing\> one thing i was wondernig with my proposed set up of connecting it to a non/inverting op amp amplifier, though
38:44 <rust_collector> does it matter if it is inverting or not?
38:54 <Nothing\> do you think i should put a second op amp as a voltage follower on it to buffer it?
39:08 <rust_collector> try and see?
39:09 <Nothing\> i don't think it matters if it's inverting or not
40:07 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/dg5xDXm
40:18 <rust_collector> that is my hi-tek gear
40:30 <Nothing\> heh my first idea as a DIY function generator was to take a cell phone with a tone function generator on it, connect an audio jack with stripped wires to it and use that as my function generator
40:58 <rust_collector> yeah, that will probably work just fine, for most things
41:11 <Nothing\> i'd love to get a real function gen though, they're not too much for entry level types, i think just around $100-$200
41:33 <rust_collector> I did that with an old tablet, but it did not disconnect the speaker, so that was too annoying
41:41 <Nothing\> ah yeah that's the sorta LC meter i would have wanted
41:49 <Nothing\> is that the same kind dave reviewed years back?
42:33 <Nothing\> yeah the problem i had with the cell phone set up is it won't output anything unless it detects a load on the jack
42:49 <Nothing\> among other things i can't recall
43:28 <Nothing\> but with the LC meter idea, i figure changing the frequency should be as simple as adjusting the inductance
44:06 <rust_collector> I don't know, it looks like the one he did, but there are so many versions. but it is very similar
44:28 <Nothing\> oh i know, clones are a dime a dozen
44:38 <rust_collector> I am pretty happy with the kinder chocolate and hot glue base...
44:38 <Nothing\> but they all work amazingly well for the price, huh?
44:46 <rust_collector> yeah, probably
45:13 <Nothing\> i figured out a way to use a 555 timer to measure capacitance anyways
45:24 <rust_collector> on mine, the screen fell apart, so it is held in place with a dab of glue in each corner
46:06 <Nothing\> based on the exact value of the resistor in the RC network and how long the monostable mode stays activated for, i was able to calculate capacitance pretty accurately
46:18 <Nothing\> ick, that's no good, man
46:35 <Nothing\> mine's held out pretty good in the year or so i've had it
47:03 <Nothing\> plus as an extra bonus, the LCD comes off, so i can use it in experiments requiring an lcd
48:02 <Nothing\> like that circuit 8 bit guy made to demonstrate how to use them using switches on the inputs, it was pretty neat
49:08 <Nothing\> i should try this lc meter with my 4 meter long piece of ethernet cable wire
49:29 <Nothing\> seee how LOW can it GO
52:09 <Nothing\> weird, i checked it first with a 21in long alligator clip wire and it gave a measure of 0.45uh, which somehow is 4x more inductance thanthe air core one the width of my finger
53:41 <rust_collector> not that weird, is it?
54:51 <Nothing\> well, the bigger the loop the lower the inductance, isn't it?
55:03 <rust_collector> Ok, I just assembled the most boring pizza ever...
56:19 <rust_collector> I dunno? but i do remember seeing croc clips adding a lot in some circuit... hmm, I wonder if it was... no, I can't remember.
00:13 <rust_collector> hmm, I have to find my list of stuff to order.
08:13 <Lemon> ok I really need to figure out that rs232 3.5mm jack on the gpsdo module
08:23 <Lemon> I can order a rs232 to usb cable, and modify it maybe
12:24 <rust_collector> I think it looks like it only uses 2 connections?
19:17 <Lemon> it looks like yes so my idea should wokr
19:22 <Lemon> I posted on the forum to be sure
19:35 <Nothing\> roflmao i just scared the shit out of my mom
20:02 <rust_collector> good good. you can say I made you do it, if you need to
20:05 <Nothing\> i was taking apart an ethernet cable for the wire using a utility knife
20:34 <Nothing\> and while she was in the bathroom i covered my hand in red food coloring and started calling for her in a panicked tone
20:48 <Nothing\> =lol she damn near shit herself when she saw it
21:04 <Nothing\> but joke's on me, now my hand's stained red and pink from the dye
21:07 <rust_collector> good job
22:18 <Nothing\> i was thinking, this would make a good antenna for a rabio circuit, it's a good like...
22:25 <Nothing\> almost 50 feet of wire
23:11 <Nothing\> only problem is it's stranded, not solid core, i dunno how much of a difference thay would mate
25:57 <Nothing\> i've always wanted a sinewave ol function gen urp ages
30:43 <rust_collector> I think sine waves are more interesting than square, but triangles are sort of neat too
34:27 <Lemon> the siglent gen is so fun speaking of waves
34:37 <Lemon> looking at them with the tek 540 is even funnier
34:58 <Lemon> I still need to find out how to hack it to 60Mhz
34:59 <rust_collector> ok, mr fancy underpants
35:07 <Lemon> hehe
36:00 <Nothing\> rust_collector: you ever check out the thought emporium that i recommended to you the other day?
36:42 <Nothing\> it's such an amazing channel, like applied science only with more esoteric science and more centered around biology, but covers pretty much everything
39:30 <rust_collector> eeh, I... no...
39:35 <rust_collector> let me c
40:08 <rust_collector> right, yes, I have seen some of that
41:19 <mamalala> oy!
41:28 <rust_collector> heeey!
43:05 <mamalala> heya rusty
43:32 <rust_collector> OOIOIOIOIOIOI!!!!
43:41 <mamalala> you punk :P
43:48 <Nothing\> weird, so i use 1 alligator clip of 21in to make a loop and the inductance is ~1.2uh
44:20 <Nothing\> but i use 2 alligator clip wires in series to make a loop twice as large and the inductance is 2.4uh
44:35 <Nothing\> you would think it would have less inductance with a larger loop
44:42 <mamalala> Nothing\: what's weird about that?
45:06 <mamalala> you seem to confuse that with capacitors, which normally halve in value if you put two of the same in series
45:06 <Nothing\> mamalala: would you not have half the inductance with a loop twcie the size?
45:19 <Nothing\> no no i'm not putting two inductors in series
45:31 <Nothing\> i'm making one loop out of twice the length of wire
46:05 <Nothing\> so one loop has a diameter of 21in while the 2nd loop has a diameter of 42in
46:18 <Nothing\> so would the 42in loop not have less inductance?
46:33 <mamalala> http://www.consultrsr.net/resources/eis/induct5.htm
46:54 <Lemon> hey mamalala !
46:58 <Nothing\> thanks, i've been wanting a good source of info on inductors, though mainly on core material
47:06 <Nothing\> and the effects they have
47:10 <Lemon> silly you, gaving me the time nuts disease ! :P
47:18 <mamalala> Nothing\: check out TinaTI (i think)
47:32 <Nothing\> that seems to ring a bell, actually
47:34 <Lemon> I purchased some goodies !
47:50 <mamalala> Nothing\: it allows you to select various core materials, winding-numbers, etc., and then it calculates the inductance
48:04 <Nothing\> ah yeah, all about circuits has something like that
48:34 <mamalala> hmm, wait, no, it wasn't tinati, i think... damn, what was the name of that thing
48:35 <Nothing\> i'm just trying to make the smallest value inductor possible to see what frequency this LC meter can get up to
49:28 <Nothing\> so, you're saying the smaller the inductive loop, the lower the value would be?
50:32 <mamalala> the shorter, yes, assuming you have only air around it and not any type of core
50:47 <Nothing\> cuz that does seem to line up with the results of my impromptu experiments
50:56 <Nothing\> yup these are indeed air core
51:01 <Nothing\> but huh, that's good to know
51:10 <Nothing\> i always thought it was the opposite
51:47 <Nothing\> getting 4uh from a 10cm dupont connector connected to it, so it seems right, what you said
51:56 <mamalala> Lemon: i'm not responsible for your buying frenzies :)
52:03 <Nothing\> also please excuse me, i'm heavily medicated at the moment
52:09 <mamalala> Nothing\: damn,i can't remember the name of that program now
52:14 <Ampera> fuck I wish I could eat a penis
52:17 <Ampera> er, wrong chat
52:33 <Nothing\> omnicalc has some good engineering calcs as well
52:50 <Nothing\> he Ampera how goes in?
52:59 <Ampera> exactly
53:21 <Lemon> mamalala can you see my pm's ? :>
53:23 <mamalala> Nothing\: ahh, it was this one: http://www.hp.woodshot.com/
53:28 <mamalala> Lemon: no
54:03 <Nothing\> alrighty then mamalala lemme try this with this with my 20 foot length of wire i got out of the ethernet cable and see what happens
54:09 <Lemon> ha jeez ! well lemme resume ! I bought a 8 output distribution amplifier, a gpsdo and a little counter made by the same guy, which got quite a lot of talk on eevblog !
54:51 <Lemon> and I posted on the forum about an issue, maybe you have the answer (you surely have, im sure ! ) https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/gpsdo-3-5mm-rs232/
54:51 <EEVBlog> 42.
54:59 <Lemon> heh sadly not this time
55:14 <Ampera> one of these days eevblog will be correct
55:40 <Nothing\> well the first 1 meter section measures 0.6mh
56:11 <mamalala> hmm, nope, wasn't appcad either ... damn
56:44 <mamalala> Lemon: never used a gpdso, so i can't really say much
56:59 <Lemon> ho its more about that 3.5mm rs232 jack !
57:08 <Lemon> on the face of the module
57:12 <Lemon> you can se a writiting
57:14 <Lemon> see
57:37 <Lemon> like, TX and GND
57:51 <Lemon> TX for the tip of the jack, it seems
58:20 <Lemon> my question is : can I use a rs232 to usb cable, and a random jack to build that cable ?
58:30 <Lemon> in theory, it should work
58:54 <Lemon> I cut the rs232 connector, replace it with a 3.5mm jack, solder the right cables
58:54 <Lemon> and bam ?
58:59 <mamalala> well, it it is a true rs232, you need to be carefull
59:15 <mamalala> many usb-serial cables have a ttl-level output, not a true rs232
59:30 <Ampera> why don't you just go to a Serial-R-S store?
59:37 <mamalala> thing is, it all got very sloppy in the past few years when it comes to rs232
00:11 <mamalala> people like to call it "rs232", although what they actually mean is a generic serial interface at ttl levels
01:10 <Lemon> yeah thats the main problem
01:12 <mamalala> Nothing\: ha, finally found it again, on an old backup... it's this one: http://www.dl0hst.de/mini-ringkern-rechner.htm#en
01:47 <mamalala> Lemon: there should be some info in the manual... and if in doubt, open the thing up and see if there is a rs232 transceiver on board
01:53 <Nothing\> oh i got one so tiny it won't even register on the meter
01:59 <Lemon> theres no manual :>
02:08 <mamalala> if the jack is connected directly to some microcontroller, then it's most like at TTL level
02:08 <rust_collector> And sanity is a full-time job
02:11 <Nothing\> but still gives a frequency of 683100
02:33 <Ampera> Jack?
02:34 <Ampera> Where is he?
02:35 <Nothing\> so i think 683khz is about the upper limit for the frequency on this thing
02:38 <Ampera> I'll beat the shit outta him
02:57 <Nothing\> oh, a reset gives 0.2uh
03:09 <Ampera> 0.2uhhhhhhhhhh
03:16 <Nothing\> even though the loop's only about 10mm wide
03:39 <Nothing\> and it's like 3 braided strands of 0.2mm wire
04:06 <mamalala> Lemon: also, the TX/RX labeling always depends on what side it refers to .... some people have the silly habit of labeling it the wrong way ...
04:31 <Lemon> I can see a tiny jack pictogram
04:42 <Nothing\> anywho, that's enough testing inductances of tiny value inductors
04:47 <Lemon> TX on the tip
04:51 <Lemon> and ground under
05:00 <mamalala> Lemon: yes, i saw that as well, in the ebay photos
05:12 <Lemon> well, lets say its the right way
05:15 <Nothing\> i think i'll just use this 4 meters of ethernet cable wiring to make an antenna whenever i get around to making an EM reciever
05:21 <Lemon> I can just take a usb connector, and jack, and bam ?
05:25 <Lemon> or do I need something else ?
05:35 <mamalala> however, _which_ tx does that refer to? that of the device (which would be the correct way), or that of the "other end", i.e. the computer (which would be wrong)
05:57 <Nothing\> does the thickness of the wire make a difference for an am radio raciever antenna
06:23 <mamalala> Nothing\: wire thicknes does have some influence, yes
06:26 <Lemon> well I guess I can figure that out
06:28 <Nothing\> ah
06:38 <Lemon> the real question is if my way of making the cable will work
06:46 <Lemon> I dont see what else I need
06:51 <Lemon> besides a usb connector, and that jack
06:55 <Lemon> as long as its wired correctly
06:56 <mamalala> Lemon: well, i don't know... if in doubt, simply try it... to make sure, but a 47 or 100 ohms resistor in series of the signals as a safeguard
07:26 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuBNoTKM3u0
07:26 <mamalala> Lemon: ha, just a usb connector surely won't work ... rs232 != usb :P
07:35 <Lemon> but but
07:41 <Lemon> I keep seeing those rs232 to usb cables
07:41 <Nothing\> speaking of which, i read about an interesting solution they had for making antennas for extremely long frequencies, like on the order of 10-6hz
07:53 <Lemon> and they are nothing more than a usb connector, some wires, a rs232 connector ?
07:58 <mamalala> Lemon: yes, those are adapters, not just connectors :)
08:10 <Lemon> ok anyway I ordered one !
08:17 <mamalala> they have a usb<->rs232 transceiver built in
08:18 <Lemon> maybe I can just switch the rs232 connector for a jack ?
08:21 <Lemon> it should work no ?
08:40 <Lemon> as long as wire it right
08:55 <mamalala> Lemon: it may or may not work... again, i have no idea ... have you ever looked up what true rs232 signal levels are?
09:11 <mamalala> if you feed those into a circuit that expects ttl levels, you have a good chance of frying it
09:25 <Lemon> not really, im in the dark on that one
09:30 <Lemon> lemme paste what the seller told me
09:48 <mamalala> Lemon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-232
10:31 <Lemon> Dear.the technician say:3.5mm jack output is rs232 signal ,can direct connect to com port.
10:31 <Lemon> Hope this can help you.
10:37 <mamalala> as you can see, under "voltage levels", they go between positive and negative
10:53 <Lemon> yeah, I read about that negative/positive voltage thing
10:53 <mamalala> ahh, ok, then you need a true rs232 interface
11:13 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/gp/product/B075HB1ZLM/ref=ppx_od_dt_b_asin_title_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
11:16 <Lemon> so this cable
11:28 <Lemon> can I replace the rs232 connector by a jack ?
11:30 <mamalala> in that case, you better make sure that t he adapter cable you buy is indeed true rs232, and not of these many cables that only provide signals at ttl level
11:47 <mamalala> Lemon: yes
12:06 <Lemon> it seems to be a true rs232 cable
12:18 <mamalala> seems so, yes, since it has a db9 connector
12:42 <Lemon> so thats perfect ! :D
12:51 <Lemon> I'll just butcher a jack somewhere
12:53 <Lemon> and bam !
13:04 <Lemon> I'll be able to use the wonderful software that is Lady Heather
13:12 <Lemon> to see which satellites are there etc
13:14 <mamalala> the only question left is then what the rx/tx on the device refers to ... but as said, put a 100 ohms or so in series to protect against bad things
13:35 <Lemon> yeah, with some hope someone did that and will answer on the forum
13:40 <Lemon> but im confident it will work
13:48 <Lemon> anway, im pretty sure I'll get a proper gpsdo soon...
13:49 <mamalala> or alternatively probe the tx and rx signals on a scope when you power up the device... and hope that it sends out some status messages or such while booting
13:52 <Lemon> I know me !
14:32 <mamalala> Lemon: no worries... i'm confident that you will buy a ceasioum fountain clock by end of this year :P
14:38 <mamalala> caesium
14:51 <Lemon> haha well, not so sure ! those gpsdo are really appealing
15:06 <Lemon> as it locks on a satellite that sends a signal, which is from a caesium standard
15:16 <Lemon> which is at its turn adjusted against an hydrogen maser
15:27 <Lemon> so you get a pretty nice thing on the long term !
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15:41 <rust_collector> meh, it is better to have your own, not some remote thing in space
15:44 <Lemon> what I want to do is try various OCXO's, and gps modules
15:55 <Lemon> yeah but its cheaper, and it adjusts itself :>
15:59 <Lemon> no need for calibration !
16:01 <mamalala> Lemon: well, long-term, yes, but short-term stabilty fluctuates
16:07 <Lemon> yeah true
16:15 <Lemon> OCXO's are better for the short term, it seems
16:22 <mamalala> basically, short-term stability fully depends on what local clock the gpdso uses
16:24 <rust_collector> if you think about the cost... well, you already lost, lol
16:46 <Lemon> I want to get those oscilloquartz double over OCXO's
16:55 <Lemon> they seem to be really good, and can be found for 30-35 bucks
19:24 <Lemon> the little counter is pretty neat https://www.eevblog.com/forum/metrology/bg7tbl-fa1-frequency-analyzer/?action=dlattach;attach=917626;image
19:44 <Lemon> it got enough resolution to fully use the gpsdo, once well stablized
20:06 <mamalala> https://www.ebay.de/itm/Efratom-LPRO-101-Rubidium-Frequenz-Standard-10MHz-P-n-102500-001/153850247673
20:16 <mamalala> jeez... these things got expensive!
20:16 <Lemon> im pretty sure if you take its guts, give it a nice enclosure, put agilent on it, you ccan sell it for 10 times its price
20:29 <mamalala> when i had mine, i paid around 120 bucks or so
20:50 <Lemon> yeahhh I saw those, but the problem is : it uses a lot of juice, and gets hot, you also need to calibrate it, and most of the time they are at the end of their life :/
20:56 <Lemon> I kinda wanted to buy one
21:01 <Lemon> but settled on gpsdo's
21:30 <mamalala> well, it depends... yes, they get hot, that's a physical requirement ... and you need to kinda-sorta calibrate them ....
21:48 <mamalala> but the near-end-of-life thing usually isn't that much of an issue for hobbyist use
22:02 <mamalala> unless you plan to have it running 24/7 for several years
22:44 <Lemon> well, those devices are made to be used 24/7 to monitor them
22:50 <mamalala> https://www.ebay.de/itm/antelope-audio-Isochrone-10MX-Rubidium-Atomic-Master-clock-10x-10Mhz-4x-WC-out/233532864985
22:51 <Lemon> so if in 2-3 years it dies, i'd be sad !
22:53 <mamalala> muahahahahaha
23:05 <mamalala> these audiofools are just something else entirely
23:17 <Lemon> pfffff :P
23:50 <rust_collector> what the...
23:56 <Lemon> usually, we say that once a good gpsdo is stabilized, and get a strong signal, it can reach 10e-13 parts of accuracy
24:11 <rust_collector> you do?
24:12 <Lemon> sso that little counter can actually show significant numbers
24:19 <Lemon> and not only garbage
24:27 <Lemon> as it can show 14 or 15 digits total
25:21 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/1-OSCILLOQUARTZ-8663-XS-10MHz-12V-Sinewave-Double-Oven-OCXO-Crystal-Oscillator/333275475256?hash=item4d98c42d38:g:I2UAAOSwePpd5dcv
25:31 <mamalala> Lemon: well, to be really sure, you need this: https://www.ebay.de/itm/HP-Agilent-5071A-Caesium-Frequenzstandard-Frequenznormal-bitte-lesen/293463447726
25:35 <Lemon> I want to get one of those, aswell as some well known OCXO's to measure them
25:35 <mamalala> (just in working condition)
26:02 <Lemon> haha well again, that gpsdo will probably be as accurate on the long term (lets say a good week+) :P
26:33 <Lemon> most people now uses gpsdo to calibrate their rb/cs standards !
26:43 <Lemon> and hydrogen masers to calibrate the rest
27:51 <mamalala> and even then... to be really sure that you local caesium clock is the same as my local caesium clock... you would still need to calibrate it .... unless you are at the same "height" as me ...
27:57 <mamalala> it's all relative, you see....
27:59 * mamalala ducks
28:12 <rust_collector> quack quack
28:37 <Lemon> thats true :>
28:59 <Lemon> but yeah those gpsdo are appealing, they are 'cheap', offer top of the line accuracy, so well
29:02 <Lemon> thats perfect
29:28 <Lemon> the next step is to play with OCXO and find the one with the best short term accuracy, and lowest phase noise
29:36 <Lemon> then the best antenna
29:39 <Lemon> then the best gps module
29:41 <Lemon> then then then
30:03 <rust_collector> have you thought about making your own guitar?
30:05 <mamalala> then you can finally find out how accurate your 80's casio wristwatch really is :P
30:14 <Lemon> I want to see with my eyes that 10.000 000 000 000 0 Mhz !
30:23 <mamalala> oh, yes, and guitars... you can then tune them really accurately
30:27 <Lemon> ho guitar, I used to play guitar
30:34 <Lemon> electric and classical
30:42 <rust_collector> you should make one
31:01 <Lemon> I thought about it some years ago but nah im not too interested
31:12 <rust_collector> yes, you just do not know yet
31:47 <rust_collector> much easier than making a trombone
32:15 <mamalala> :P
32:16 <Ampera> if I were to make one I'd make it out of a shovel
32:41 <coppice_> mamalala: a guitar has far too much jitter to achieve significant accuracy
33:13 <mamalala> coppice_: spoilsport
36:41 <Lemon> but in a gpsdo, what matters the most for the ocxo is the phase noise right?
36:56 <Lemon> because the short term accuracy isnt that important, as a gpsdo shines with its long term accuracy
36:59 <rust_collector> and the number of strings in it
49:36 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrhlq2rBffg
50:47 <mamalala> rust_collector: pff, you and your folk music :P
51:08 <rust_collector> mmhmm.
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53:26 <mamalala> Nørse Følk Muzåk
54:22 <rust_collector> I think that one is pretty pop-like
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40:23 <rust_collector> hmm, this kind of sucks.
40:37 <rust_collector> I think I have to start doing my workout crap
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53:54 <mamalala> "workout" ... there's an euphemism for wanking to porn....
54:22 <rust_collector> well, it does not matter what you call it, it just has to be done, I guess
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25:52 <DHess_US> I wonder if they added a locker full of toilet paper to Half Life Alyx to taunt us.
26:04 <rust_collector> eeh, what?
26:44 <DHess_US> In Half Life Alyx, there is one locker full of toilet paper.
27:36 <rust_collector> oh-kay
28:00 <rust_collector> do you still have toilet paper issues over there
29:49 <mamalala> here in germany we still have
30:04 <mamalala> shelves are usually empty by noon, if the shop got any, that is
30:15 <mamalala> many other shops now hand out tp only after request
30:22 <rust_collector> heh
30:27 <rust_collector> that is weird.
30:33 <mamalala> in any case, only one pack of tp and one pack of flour per person is usually allowed now
30:59 <rust_collector> that should do for most people
31:02 <mamalala> which instantly reminded me of that scene in life of brian ... "only one cross!"
31:02 <EEVBlog> 42, mamalala!
31:09 <rust_collector> haha
31:20 <mamalala> EEVBlog: wrong movie, nice try though :P
31:35 <DHess_US> I haven't seen any toilet paper, or paper towels, in the local grocer for more than a week now.
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32:02 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9knToyK-wUs
32:17 <rust_collector> I guess all the youtubers are buying it, to burn or just have a wall of the stuff in the background
32:32 <mamalala> rust_collector: could also be cat people, though
32:46 <rust_collector> yes, cat people are full of shit
33:02 <mamalala> nah... it's the cats that like to rip up the tp rolls
33:35 <rust_collector> yes, sure...
33:58 <mamalala> ... said the guy "working out" ... :P
34:41 <rust_collector> I said I had to start... not that I was doing it
35:08 <mamalala> right
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57:35 <steve30> My headache is a bit better now I've had food and coffee
06:01 * steve30 meows at mamalala 
06:13 * mamalala purrs back at steve30
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50:13 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbr60I0u2Ng
50:38 <mamalala> if you just squint your ears a bit... it sounds like my corona :P
55:25 <Halcyon> Morning all
55:35 <mamalala> oy Halcyon
55:43 <steve30> hi Halcyon
56:02 <Halcyon> Herro :)
59:26 <Halcyon> I'm considering a trip to Ikea
59:38 <mamalala> are they still open?
59:42 <steve30> I think Ikeas are closed here
59:43 <Halcyon> Yup
00:21 <Halcyon> Yeh still open as normal here. The only things that are closed for walk-in visitors are bars and restaurants but many of them are doing takeaway service
00:22 * steve30 ponders watching some TV and drinking more coffee
00:31 <mamalala> today i had a strange experience when i went to netto (a supermarket)....
00:38 <mamalala> i walked in, just to buy a single thing
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01:00 <mamalala> "hey, you need to use a shopping cart!" the person at the cash register yelled at me
01:12 <mamalala> wtf is that supposed to do?
01:15 <Halcyon> ?!
01:19 <Halcyon> That's weird
01:31 <mamalala> yea, it's now some kind of rule here in germany
01:37 <mamalala> because corona
01:48 <mamalala> i mean, what purpose is that supposed to serve?
01:50 <Halcyon> Clearly devised by someone without any common sense
02:02 <steve30> Why /wouldn't/ you want to handle something that's been handled by lots of other people?
02:14 <mamalala> "we reduce the spread of nasties by forcing everyone to touch stuff that everyone else is touching as well!"
02:20 <mamalala> steve30: exactly
04:08 <mamalala> i mean, i _could_ understand it if it was supposed to ensure some kind of minimum distance towards other people ... although that only works in one axis then... and it would only be useful if they hand out carts that were previously sanitized... amongst a whole bunch of other issues
04:42 <mamalala> but then, i guess it's a case of decission-by-politics... everyone is clueless, and covers that up by seemingly "doing something"
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09:20 <Halcyon> I would have just said that you don't need a trolley
09:24 <Halcyon> It's pointless
10:00 <mamalala> they won't let you in without one... well, i guess technically you can still get in... but they will refuse to let you buy the goods and pay for them
10:12 <Halcyon> You don't have self-service?
10:14 <mamalala> which is what i witnessed when i was there
10:18 <mamalala> yes, we do
10:48 <mamalala> or do you mean paying without a cashier (or whatever these people are called in english)
11:06 <gremlinz> Halcyon wants to beomce a statistic
11:35 <mamalala> gremlinz: pleaso don't mention anything related to statistics while i'm reading, please :P
12:58 <Halcyon> :P
13:02 <Halcyon> I honestly don't care if I get sick
13:20 <Halcyon> I have more chance of dying from a stab wound or gunshot
14:00 <mamalala> well, i was sick the past week
14:13 <mamalala> basically just a mild cold... dunno if that was the virus or not
14:38 <mamalala> and "sick" is really a dramatization
14:46 <Halcyon> I was the same a few weeks ago
14:52 <Halcyon> Mostly I couldn't be fucked going to work
15:10 <Halcyon> My other half was way more sick than I was, poor thing, fever, throwing up constantly, etc...
15:28 <mamalala> all it was is one side of my nose got clogged, depending on which way around i was laying down in bed... sitting/standing up and all was ok ... a bit of sniffles, more-than-usual nose-wiping, that's it
15:38 <Halcyon> Oh I hate that
15:47 <mamalala> yea
16:05 <Halcyon> Hey gremlinz, how good are you with Linux stuff?
16:13 <mamalala> the only reason i had a dry throat was because i was forced to breathe through my mouth during sleep, because of the clogged (half-)nose
18:01 <Halcyon> We now have more than 3600 confirmed cases in Australia, I wonder if they are going to make us work from home tomorrow. *fingers crossed*
18:21 <gremlinz> depends, but if u need immediate assistance i can't help atm sorry
18:23 <mamalala> Halcyon: hu, not yet in quarantine in down under?
18:36 <Halcyon> Because I work for the Government and the management are a pack of retards, they only agreed to working form home for 2 of the 4 days. Because.... yeh.... find the logic in that.
18:51 <mamalala> lol
18:57 <gremlinz> essential worker bro
19:01 <gremlinz> ESSENTIAL!
19:14 <Halcyon> Apparently you can't get sick if you only come in 2 days a week and share the same space as everyone else :P
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19:25 <mamalala> of course not
19:31 <Halcyon> Pfft, my job isn't essential. The cops are focussing on the basics, not cyber security etc..
19:38 <gremlinz> apparently you can't get sick if you speak to international travellers on a daily basis either
19:55 <gremlinz> didn't say your job was mate
20:01 <gremlinz> just reiterating scomo
20:04 <gremlinz> anyway
20:05 <gremlinz> laters
20:22 <Halcyon> gremlinz, you didn't answer my question
20:26 <Halcyon> *smack*
20:27 <gremlinz> yes i did
20:33 <mamalala> i mean, i can understand that some meassures must be taken to slow down the spread of that thing... if it really is that nasty ...
20:37 <Halcyon> Oh sorry you did
20:42 <Halcyon> Just need a one line response...
20:42 <gremlinz> mmhmm
21:03 <mamalala> but then, most of what governments and media do right now seems more like clueless panicking, and not rational decissions
21:05 <Halcyon> I need to come up with a centralised user management for Linux users (FreeNAS, RADIUS Auth for Wifi, Proxmox etc...)
21:14 <Halcyon> Any suggestions that is not Active Directory?
21:44 <gremlinz> php/sql?
21:46 <mamalala> Halcyon: mount /etc/passwd through an ssh link into the local filesystem...
21:48 * mamalala duck
21:59 <Halcyon> Lucky you ducked mamalala :P
22:00 <mamalala> +s
22:20 <gremlinz> have a chat to damian he's pretty cluey
22:30 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough
22:34 * Halcyon fondles damian 
22:35 <mamalala> Halcyon: ok, ok, you are right ... silly me ... /etc/groups need to be mounted as well ... haha
23:16 <Halcyon> No no, mamalala, you're doing it wrong, just put the password in fstab in plain text to an SMB share
23:19 <Halcyon> Fixed :D
23:29 <mamalala> ha
23:53 <Halcyon> But yeh, when I want to change account passwords, I have to change them in like 5 different systems and it's annoying
24:03 <mamalala> and to have shared home dirs, etc, all across, just use a hacked NAS that everyone mounts as root file system, i guess? :P
24:20 <Halcyon> Anyway I'm off to Ikea
24:22 <Halcyon> Later
24:28 <mamalala> have fun
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28:57 <Ampera> fios.verizon.net, eh?
28:58 <Ampera> neat
30:38 <mamalala> well, they keep the connection up to date... freshly connecting for each byte transferred... it seems :P
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28:14 <DHess_US> Well done, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uSkQq3NbO8
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28:11 <mamalala> haha
28:45 <mamalala> the eevblog chat on afternet really went down the drain since i was last on there
29:26 <steve30> I see you just got banned
29:59 <mamalala> steve30: must have been after i left, then
30:04 <mamalala> (i guess)
30:29 <steve30> yup, just after
31:06 <mamalala> "i finally got that insecure hobo banned.... after he left, but still"
33:39 <mamalala> i just found it funny that someone had the time to tell me that i am too stupid to understand some vague notions, while refusing to educate me on said notions ... i mean, how can one learn? ahh, well...
34:09 <mamalala> that's just the internet, i guess
04:43 <T3sl4> i mean, it's not really going to be "learning" if you're saying so in bad faith
07:28 <mamalala> T3sl4: i wasn't saying that in bad faith ... i have my opinion, i explained it ... someone told me that i have an error in thinking... but won't explain what the error is...
07:48 <mamalala> i truly wanted to know what the issue was
07:57 <mamalala> (still do)
12:38 <mamalala> how does that equate to bad faith?
33:22 <mamalala> T3sl4: please let me know in what way i was supposedly acting in bad faith ... i mean, really, i just don't understand it
52:02 <mamalala> T3sl4: ping?
45:20 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: NEW Video on EEVblog2! Alkaline Battery Discharge Testing Part 2 https://t.co/mXwr9VNGbd
36:34 <Halcyon> Ikea was so good
36:37 <Halcyon> There was hardly anyone there
36:38 <Halcyon> :D
37:08 <mamalala> haha, that must have been great
37:33 <Halcyon> It was, no morons standing in the corridors
37:39 <Halcyon> It was nice, straight in and out
39:16 <mamalala> that's how it should be ...
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43:40 <steve30> did you buy anything?
44:11 <Halcyon> Jars
44:16 <Halcyon> And more coat hangers
45:10 <steve30> I need to go to my grandmothers in a couple of hours to change the clocks. British summer time starts today.
45:17 <steve30> I think I'd rather go to bed though.
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49:18 * steve30 is cold
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52:01 <hsn> fck this stupid company
58:38 <mamalala> T3sl4: any input on my questions?
13:40 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM3Yqo1qCG0
13:56 <steve30> I've turned the central heating on :)
14:18 <mamalala> how convenient :)
16:59 <mamalala> steve30: do you understand any german?
18:25 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01pXhWn0qMk
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22:59 <hsn> T3sl4 : https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/first-known-cat-infected-with-coronavirus-reported-in-belgium/
30:51 <steve30> i know very little german
32:32 <mamalala> steve30: kreisler is what would nowdays be considered a "comic"... but just with a piano and his voice
33:13 <mamalala> he was forced to flee from germany due to the nazis... but he continued to sing in german ...
33:22 <mamalala> well, he was jew also ...
33:41 <mamalala> and damn, his lyrics are so dark and true, even today
34:03 <mamalala> but then, you need to understand at least german....
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02:39 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j7drHoTmc8
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09:12 <Lemon> hello peeps
14:48 <mamalala> Lemon: peep!
28:01 <hsn> hello there, lemon!
28:01 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
30:32 <rust_collector> heey allyoupeople
30:37 <rust_collector> .
30:38 <steve30> hi
31:11 <rust_collector> I have coffee for you. just a minute, and it should be done.
31:28 <steve30> ooh, coffee
31:31 <rust_collector> It is just horrible wrong kind of coffee, but...
31:42 <rust_collector> still very effective
35:44 <hsn> hi rusty
35:49 <hsn> how is it going
36:16 <rust_collector> oh, things are going perfect
36:36 <rust_collector> I am up, no one else is. well a few dogs.
37:44 <rust_collector> I am looking forward to the wife waking up, and realize she has work to do, as some dog has dismantled a mattress, and random paper things.
38:13 <rust_collector> It is in times like this, that I miss having a beanbag
43:57 <hsn> some dog ?
44:09 <hsn> it means one of many?
44:12 <rust_collector> I do not know which one
44:14 <rust_collector> yes
44:34 <rust_collector> I dunno, the wife seems to collect them
49:01 <AndrevS> damn daylight saving time began
49:14 <rust_collector> YESS!!
49:44 <rust_collector> I hope it is one of the last times we have to do that
49:51 <AndrevS> I'm not a morning person
50:27 <rust_collector> neither am I. but moving the time here and there is not a good idea, imo
51:20 <AndrevS> I quite agree... and I would like to keep at winter time. It's already ahead of the solar time as it is.
52:29 <AndrevS> Central European time in West Europe.
53:49 <rust_collector> go with whatever time that sort of works for the largest area. get rid of a time zone too, while you are fixing time
54:52 <AndrevS> Historical reasons... during the second world war, Berlin time was introduced.
56:38 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mn9cEJjJZE
57:05 <AndrevS> Before that, the Netherlands used GMT+00:20. I wouldn't suggest going back to that, but for countries west to Germany, GMT would make sense.
58:39 <mamalala> well, for countries around germany, GTFO makes even more sense ...
00:42 <rust_collector> I think they are stuck there, more or less
03:11 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGedPHeLYOs
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15:24 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqwWRsqclgc
22:20 <mamalala> rust_collector: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I
27:59 <Lemon> hah someone answered me on eevblog
27:59 <EEVBlog> 42.
28:09 <Lemon> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/gpsdo-3-5mm-rs232/
28:49 <mamalala> EEVBlog: 63
29:05 <Lemon> but he is right, idk if I can get much infos out of that rs232 jack
29:08 <Lemon> output
29:19 <Lemon> what I wanted is to connect it to my computer with lady heather
29:54 <mamalala> ohhh, heather ladies are almost as good as leather ladies :P
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32:04 <mamalala> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xysVNigCsU
36:35 <Lemon> I really hope I'll be able to see how many satellites its locked on with the software
38:10 <mamalala> depends on the receiver, i guess ... mostls
38:14 <mamalala> *mostly
41:56 <Lemon> yeah ofc, but that software allows me to see how good the reception is, and you can tweak some settings
42:11 <Lemon> but yeah the next step will probably to get a nice big antenna
42:39 <rust_collector> yeah, but it still depends on what your device can do, and not the software
44:28 <Lemon> yeah ofc I know that but again, without the software, im blind
44:41 <Lemon> I cant see how good the reception is, how many satellites are locked on etc
44:49 <Lemon> fuck I want to play pokemon gold
44:49 <rust_collector> right, but you do have the software, right?
44:56 <Lemon> yes
44:59 <rust_collector> pokemon
45:04 <Lemon> but I need to connect the gpsdo to the computer :>
45:09 <Lemon> hence my question about the cable
45:12 <Lemon> as I need to make it myself
45:19 <Lemon> but im pretty sure I got the answer now
51:58 <rust_collector> so, do you know when the thing will come?
53:30 <rust_collector> heh, I am watching a guy that took the cover off a sodilec power supply. when were those made?
53:43 <rust_collector> mid 70s?
53:45 <Halcyon> I'm watching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9YGG5crp0w
05:11 <hsn> https://vimeo.com/399936860/dfa56808bd ---> MIT center 20200323 coronavirus
06:29 <rust_collector> ?
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04:58 <Halcyon> *yawn*
05:05 <Halcyon> I should sleep but I'm not sleepy
05:27 <rust_collector> it will be morning in no time.
05:37 <Halcyon> I have to actually go into work tomorrow
05:42 <Halcyon> :(
05:44 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: You Have One Job, Stay Indoors: So many Fords. #Ford #harrisonford https://t.co/KJeFjjyL95
06:23 <rust_collector> you will be ok, just get to the office, and have a nap
06:43 <Halcyon> Oh yeh, I could. Lock myself in the lab and turn the lights out
06:44 <Halcyon> :)
06:50 <rust_collector> yep
07:42 <rust_collector> boss has not called yet, so I guess I am not going to work tomorrow
10:27 * steve30 pets Halcyon 
10:38 <Halcyon> :D
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14:17 <steve30> i should go to bed soon
14:35 <Halcyon> Me too, but I don't wanna
14:45 <steve30> I wish I had someone to snuggle up with
14:53 <hsn> i wannaCry
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18:57 <rust_collector> what is "strong" white flour?
19:17 <Halcyon> It's plain flour which has more gluten than "regular" plain flour
19:24 <rust_collector> oh
19:33 <Halcyon> It's commonly used for baking bread
19:36 <Halcyon> Or pizza bases
19:41 <rust_collector> yes, I guess so
19:49 <Halcyon> Less so for cakes and other more delicate baked goods
19:59 <rust_collector> I have not heard about that here.
20:20 <Halcyon> It's common here. I generally use strong flour
20:34 <steve30> I use strong flour for bread, and normal flour for everything else
20:47 <rust_collector> otoh, I guess I do not go flour shopping very often
21:53 <rust_collector> rusty investigates! ta da DAA!
22:02 <rust_collector> oh, no, store is closed
25:07 <rust_collector> but that is interesting. I guess I can learn one thing, even on a sunday
26:25 <steve30> ok, bed time
26:34 <rust_collector> good night
26:40 <rust_collector> -morning
26:52 <rust_collector> uh, mid day
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29:35 <rust_collector> I should probably make some bread, before the people wake up
30:14 <Halcyon> Mmm bread
36:29 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Trimble-10MHz-ThunderBolt-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-GPSDO-Module-Frequency-Standard/332390729098?hash=item4d6408058a:g:oOEAAOSw07lbh4ki
38:42 <Lemon> if the listing came sooner I Think I would have bought this one instead
39:16 <rust_collector> ok, bread is on the way
40:02 <rust_collector> for some reason, I got a strange urge to put chopped onions in the bread. I didn't do it, but I guess that could work
40:53 <Lemon> hmmm thats tasty
41:03 <Halcyon> Can anyone read Chinese?
41:06 <Lemon> do it
41:11 <Lemon> no sorry
41:19 <Lemon> I can barely read :/
42:06 <rust_collector> chinese... no. I don't think anyone can
44:47 <Lemon> I think a nice upgrade to the gpsdo I will get is to power it with one of my linear supplies
45:09 <Lemon> and once i get one, change the OCXO for a better one, like an oscilloquartz double oven, or something like this
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45:24 <Lemon> it would be interesting to see how good it can be
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17:03 <steve30> i no longer seem sleepy
17:28 <steve30> Halcyon, Chinese people can.
18:09 <rust_collector> I am not sure if they can. They probably just look at the pics, and pretend.
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