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39:28 <Ampera> not if you wait 30 seconds
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09:36 <Nothing\> lol they sent me home from prison again
10:05 <Nothing\> i guess even the provincial offences court is shut down until april some time
10:39 <Nothing\> and the probation offices, apparently
11:21 <Nothing\> it's all pretty cool imo, it's like living in a movie. all we're missing is the zombies as a result of the virus
11:54 <Nothing\> i'm just waiting to see what sort of hell breaks loose if/when they shut down the liquor and beer stores
12:41 <rust_collector> with the lines outside the weed shops over there, I guess you will see some zombies soon enough
13:44 <Nothing\> lol all the shops in toronto are closed apparently
13:55 <rust_collector> heh
13:58 <Nothing\> my friends at the prison were complaining about it while we were waiting to fill out our paper work
14:14 <Nothing\> the one i used to go to here when i still smoked is still opened though
14:23 <Nothing\> but my usual vape shop is closed until further notice
15:07 <Nothing\> wound up being a happy accident though cuz i went to the variety store across the street and got this stuff that tastes way better than my usual brand of juice, it tastes just like watermelon jolly ranchers
15:19 <rust_collector> heh
15:33 <rust_collector> I should get some new vape stuff
16:02 <rust_collector> north korean steam trains smoke less than me thee days
18:30 <Nothing\> i couldn't start smoking again if i wanted to
18:47 <rust_collector> good for you
18:59 <Nothing\> a few times my ecig broke and i snagged some cigarettes off of my brother and i couldn't even finish one of them, it was disgusting
19:23 <Nothing\> yet i smoked almost a pack a day for 20 years
20:02 <Nothing\> they crap on vaping for causing these lung diseases, but way fewer people get sick and it's not nearly as bad as what you get with smoking
20:19 <Nothing\> and since i switched to ecigs i stopped hacking up black shit constantly
20:43 <Nothing\> it should be no surprise that they're not perfectly safe though, i've been trying to tell people that for years
20:57 <Nothing\> it's safER not safe
21:07 <rust_collector> ok, it is not ideal to inhale anything, but it has to be less bad than burnt leaves
21:27 <Nothing\> dude my lungs were so terrible when i smoked pot
21:36 <Nothing\> yet i've had so many people tell me it's basically harmless
22:07 <Nothing\> if it were harmless, i wouldn't have had so much trouble breathing that i had to take inhalers and some nights i couldn't even sleep lying down because it was so hard to breathe
22:26 <rust_collector> I like how people say it is safe, because it is organic, and natural. I like those people.
22:29 <Nothing\> and again, hacking up black shit constantly, black shit which tastes exactly like the black tar that builds up inside my pipe
22:49 <rust_collector> why do you lick your pipe?
22:50 <Nothing\> lol i just tell them "you know what else is natural? asbestos. Would you inhale that?
23:04 <Nothing\> well, it tastes the way the pipe tar smells, i should say
23:24 <Nothing\> although there have been a few unfortunate incidences in which i've wound up with tar in my mouth
23:40 <rust_collector> Lots of organic stuff will dissolve you. But I guess it is ok, because it is not synthetic
23:45 <Nothing\> like when i would slack off cleaning my pipe and i'd end up sucking in chunks of tar D:
23:55 <rust_collector> nice
24:11 <Nothing\> lol yeah everyone knows natural means it's perfectly 100% safe and probably even good for you
24:18 <Nothing\> cyanide's a good example of that
24:27 <Nothing\> or radiation
25:21 <Nothing\> actually apparently the advent of plastics helped to save a lot of natural resources when it came around
26:06 <Nothing\> products before plastic were made from stuff like animal horns and ivory and bones and stuff like that, it drastically reduced the number of animals hunted for such purposes, i thought that was kind of neat
27:01 <Nothing\> i can see though, plastic being one of those things where 100 years from now we look back at how we were using it and think to ourselves "wtf were they thinking?"
27:48 <rust_collector> well, if we stopped throwing it everywhere, it would probably not be so bad
28:19 <Nothing\> yeah, but what can we do with it? we'd have to put it somewhere
28:27 <Nothing\> bury it in yucca mountain?
28:39 <Nothing\> launch it into space and make a new moon?
28:41 <rust_collector> recycle it, maybe?
29:00 <hsn> does people really need and lack for CPAP devices?
29:07 <Nothing\> some of it gets recycled, but recycling uses a lot of other resources due to the energy it requires
29:25 <Nothing\> i think cutting back on single use disposable items would be a good start
29:36 <Nothing\> not just plastics, but with everything in general
29:50 <rust_collector> everything uses a lot of energy, melting already made things probably uses less than making new things
29:58 <Nothing\> you see those single use power banks with lithium cells in them? such a stupid, wasteful product
30:16 <Nothing\> rust_collector: that's a good point
30:38 <Nothing\> apparently a lot of "recycling" these days gets sent to china or other countries to be put into landfills anyways
30:50 <rust_collector> I mean, bottles and plastic bags are usually made from easily recycled materials
31:10 <rust_collector> no, china just said no, to importing more junk
31:32 <Nothing\> it's not THAT easy, you have to clean them, cut them up into tiny pieces, chemically process them into a useable form etc
31:45 <rust_collector> so now we have to export it to africa and such, so they can throw it in their desert
31:50 <Nothing\> it's a pretty intensive process, at least for PET
32:17 <rust_collector> it is not a huge deal, if you have the machinery set up to do it
32:45 <rust_collector> I am not saying you should recycle your own junk at home
32:49 <Nothing\> i saw even isolated islands in the south pacific have literal tons of plastic washed up on their beaches because of the garbage patch in the pacific gyre
32:59 <rust_collector> yeah
33:42 <Nothing\> and there was a podcast on CBC radio the other week about how they discovered people are ingesting a lot of microgram sized pieces of plastic from things around the house
33:44 <rust_collector> Some plastics are actually better off getting burnt. which I thought was weird, but...
33:56 <Nothing\> to the point where we're even getting plastic fibers in our lungs from carpeting
34:15 <rust_collector> well yes. we do live around the stuff, so...
34:22 <Nothing\> but they don't even know what the health implications of that is yet
34:58 <rust_collector> I thought people quit having carpets in the 80s?
35:00 <Nothing\> i know that using PET bottles can cause early puberty in girls because the terephthalic acid acts as an estrogen hormone in animals
35:07 <Nothing\> i love carpet
35:26 <Nothing\> i lived in a house with hardwood floors and i kept breaking my ecigs because i'd drop them
35:47 <rust_collector> you can fix this by not dropping them on the floor.
35:51 <Nothing\> i have a really bad habit of randomly falling asleep like a narcoleptic which is totally unrelated to being on methadone lol
36:03 <rust_collector> sort of like you can fix windows, by reinstalling windows
36:16 <Nothing\> i wound up dropping my one off of the 13th floor balcony of my old apartment lol
36:21 <Nothing\> there was no salvaging that guy
36:40 <Nothing\> but the other problem too, it hurt the hell out of my feet having hard wood floors
36:53 <rust_collector> I guess mrs H down on the ground was not amused by that
36:55 <Nothing\> i had to wear slippers constantly cuz it hurt so much to walk on those floors
37:16 <Nothing\> lol nobody saw it thankfully, they'd probably assume i was some shithead kid throwing stuff off for fun
37:27 <Nothing\> though tbh i've always wanted to piss off of a really high balcony
37:38 <rust_collector> at least it was not an old crt tv, or an anvil
37:41 <rust_collector> hehe, yes
37:43 <Nothing\> preferably one high enough where i'd be finished pissing before it even hit the ground
37:55 <Nothing\> i should work out how high that would be
38:23 <rust_collector> I like the idea, but as I have an issue with heights, I will probably not try that
38:29 <Nothing\> or rather, find an online calculator to help me work it out since i can't be assed to find the maths re: falling bodies
38:38 <Nothing\> yeah heights freak me out
38:53 <Nothing\> the worst is when you're on a high balcony and you try to look up at the top of the building
39:01 <Nothing\> i dunno why, but that makes it so much worse
39:07 <rust_collector> if it is high enough, it could maybe turn to tiny droplets, and "never hit the ground"
39:47 <Nothing\> well, it does spread out into droplets from a stream once it's fallen far enough, the mythbusters figured that out on their episode about pissing on the third rail of a subway episode
39:52 <rust_collector> or if it is very cold, maybe you could make yellow snow
40:13 <Nothing\> oh i've done that tons of times
40:19 <Nothing\> writing my name in the snow
40:24 <rust_collector> not snow flakes
40:35 <rust_collector> falling from abowe
40:41 <rust_collector> with a v
40:43 <Nothing\> oh hdaha
40:48 <Nothing\> dude
41:11 <Nothing\> go out on one of those like -40 degree days and piss off the balcony so it freezes before it hits the ground
41:22 <Nothing\> although that whole thing, it's total bullshit
41:39 <rust_collector> you have to fid the right height/temp, so you get snow, and not just ice
41:47 <Nothing\> i tried it myself once, it just makes a lot of steam, which looks sort of like it froze, but the water still hits the ground as a liquid
41:55 <Nothing\> dumbest myth ever
42:07 <rust_collector> maybe you should be taller?
42:12 <Nothing\> i really should be
42:20 <Nothing\> i'm only 5'7"
42:51 <rust_collector> HAH!
43:16 <rust_collector> that is down there with large dogs and... how can you... oh never mind
43:35 <Nothing\> lol
44:33 <rust_collector> More space up here for us normal size people
46:17 <rust_collector> you know, when I was even younger than now, there was almost no "foreigners" here. So I had a period in the 90s, where I was walking around, tripping over asians. it was pretty annoying
46:36 <Nothing\> we've always had foreigners here as long as i can remember
46:49 <rust_collector> I got used to it now, or maybe they just figured they should get out of the way
47:16 <Nothing\> lol one of my friends in school was sikh so he wore a turban and any time he got into a fight with somebody, they'd immediately try to knock his turban off cuz then he'd have to cover his head and run inside to fix it
47:40 <Nothing\> i always figured it was because they couldn't expose their bare head to the sky for some reason
47:54 <Nothing\> hence running inside
48:04 <rust_collector> we got the first wave of people from mostly pakistan, in the early/mid 70s. but they were mostly in the larger cities. then it sort of took off in the midto late 80s
48:12 <Nothing\> but he was probably just going in to fix it without some dickhole trying to kick his ass
48:24 <rust_collector> yeah probably
48:49 <Nothing\> most of the foreigners here are indian, pakistani, korean and chinese
48:50 <rust_collector> I do not think they have to wear a turban, it is just a good way to keep their hair out of the way?
49:07 <Nothing\> no, the turban's part of the religion for sikhism i believe
49:20 <Nothing\> but they also can't cut their hair, so that's probably how it started
49:32 <Nothing\> i always heard part of it was to keep the blowing sand out of their hair
49:57 <Nothing\> but i'm not sure about the specific religious reason
50:25 <Nothing\> there was an episode of bald and bankrupt where he wore a turban
50:47 <Nothing\> lol it took 2 people to wrap it for him, damn thing was like 15 feet long before they started
52:39 <rust_collector> makes sense that the bald guy gets a turban
52:47 <Nothing\> lol indeed
53:01 <Nothing\> he made a good point though, why don't you ever see any bald indians?
54:02 <rust_collector> they never get old enough, because they ride on top of the trains, and use tied together ladders and...
54:12 <rust_collector> well
54:26 <rust_collector> maybe they just are different
54:30 <Nothing\> nah there are tons of old indians
54:35 <rust_collector> nope
54:50 <Nothing\> and not everyone goes bald when they're old, some people lose their hair in their 30s or even earlier
54:59 <rust_collector> oh really?
55:04 <Nothing\> look at matt parker, he's probably not even 40
55:22 <rust_collector> I am almost 41, and well on my way. I know this
55:52 <Nothing\> i just turned 35, i still have a nice full head of hair, but it's starting to go grey very slightly
56:11 <rust_collector> I do not get grey hair. I do get randon white ones
56:15 <Nothing\> any time i'm in the bathroom at the clinic, the lighting shows my grey hairs really good and they're all over
56:24 <Nothing\> yeha that's what i mean
56:38 <rust_collector> I get white patches in my beard
56:42 <Nothing\> i've even found grey hairs in my nose, on my legs and even in my pubes
56:57 <Nothing\> oh yeah, i get some white patches on my chin
57:10 <rust_collector> maybe I should do an online course, and become a religious leader
57:13 <DHess_US> https://imgur.com/a/SbovEnT
57:18 <Nothing\> you totally should
57:49 <Nothing\> why did i feel the need to wash my hands after clicking that link
58:29 <rust_collector> maybe the smell?
59:18 <Nothing\> is st louis a smelly city?
59:27 <DHess_US> Smelly? No, not particularly.
59:36 <rust_collector> I dunno? but maybe your hands are?
59:50 <DHess_US> We get a lot of rain so the smell washes down to New Orleans.
01:07 <rust_collector> well, it is time for coffee, and getting outside, and try to do something
01:11 <rust_collector> have fun
01:17 <Nothing\> i'm trying to work out a way to represent the how damped an RLC circuit is
01:24 <Nothing\> you know, besides q factor or that
01:57 <DHess_US> dissipation is 1/q
02:01 <Nothing\> i figure either, attenuation in dB per cycle, if it's linear, or how many cycle it takes to reach something like -3dB
02:13 <DHess_US> Bandwidth is frequency/Q
02:26 <Nothing\> as in the resonant frequency?
02:37 <DHess_US> The exponential decay is directly related to Q.
02:43 <DHess_US> Yes
03:22 <DHess_US> The attenuation per cycle is *not* linear but logarithmic/exponential
03:27 <Nothing\> yeah i'm just trying to find how i can take the Q and work out how long it'll ring for, or at least how long before it reaches a certain level of attenuation
03:29 <DHess_US> So linear on a log scale
03:39 <Nothing\> DHess_US: ah that's what i figured
03:55 <DHess_US> It's just like calculating an LC or RC decay
04:07 <DHess_US> err, I mean RL or RC decay
04:12 <Nothing\> well i haven't done that yet either
04:23 <Nothing\> but decay, yeah that's something i should look into
04:34 <DHess_US> that is actually one way to measure Q, just measure the decay
04:58 <Nothing\> ah
05:04 <DHess_US> I don't remember the exact formula offhand but it is out there.
05:12 <Nothing\> i can find it, i'm sure
05:48 <DHess_US> On an oscilloscope, it is measured as the decay of the envelope which they are good at displaing.
05:56 <Nothing\> i just need to learn more about them so i can actually record and RLC circuit ringing on my scope, cuz so far i don't seem to get any useful trace from it
06:20 <Nothing\> i'm thinking either it's overdamped, cuz the Q is like 0.07 or i'm just not triggering it right
06:22 <DHess_US> Make the R minimum to start with to get a longer decay.
06:32 <DHess_US> That is likely.
06:41 <Nothing\> yeah i'm trying, but these inductors i have are like 400ohm
06:43 <Nothing\> :/
06:47 <Nothing\> for 10mH
07:05 <Nothing\> i have no idea why they're so damn resistive
07:29 <DHess_US> Add a negative resistor in series with the inductor. You can buy them from the same shop which sells prop wash, blinker fluid, and ideal operational amplifiers.
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08:26 <Nothing\> lol
08:42 <Nothing\> i have made circuits with negative (regions of) resistance before
09:02 <Nothing\> but negative linear resistance would be cool
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09:57 * Ampera coughs on Nothing\ 
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10:07 * Nothing\ breathes deep
10:11 <Nothing\> mmmm germs
10:18 <Ampera> there now you have the idiot
10:29 <Ampera> how do Nothing\
10:37 <Nothing\> DHess_US: that reminds me of this april fool's joke popular science or some such pulled back in the 50s
11:03 <Nothing\> i'm doing pretty good, they sent me home from the prison again lol
11:23 <Ampera> lol
11:31 <Nothing\> DHess_US: i forget what they called it, but they claimed there was this new technology that made electronic devices do the opposite of what they're meant to do
11:31 <Ampera> oh right it's saturday
11:35 <Ampera> you should be in adult daycare
11:45 <Nothing\> so you could make a lightbulb cast a shroud of darkness across a room
12:01 <Nothing\> or cause a hot plate to become frigid and freeze objects
12:04 <DHess_US> It is actually a real thing. You can synthesize negative resistance with an operational amplifier and put it in series with a real inductor to make a perfect inductor.
12:29 <Nothing\> really, what are those circuits called?
12:34 <Nothing\> i'd like to learn more about them
12:50 <Nothing\> i know that tunnel diodes have a region of negative resistance too
12:59 <Nothing\> which i also have, but i've yet to do anything with them
12:59 <DHess_US> Well, they are used to make negative resistance oscillators. I'm not sure if they have a specific name.
13:08 <Nothing\> ah
13:20 <DHess_US> Right, but this is a calibrated negative resistance. Like you can make -400 ohms.
13:49 <Nothing\> yeah the circuit i played with was a lambda diode, which is just an N channel jfet in series with a P channel jfet or something like that
14:12 <Nothing\> DHess_US: yeah i guess i can see doing that with an op amp, come to think of it
15:10 <Nothing\> Ampera: lol they have a behavioral range which is basically like daycare cuz the people in there are so juvenile
15:39 <DHess_US> Negative impedance converter
15:42 <Nothing\> i wound up in there for a few hours cuz there was a problem on our range and they had to find somewhere to put everyone while they got it sorted out so a few of us wound up over there
15:45 <DHess_US> https://wiki.analog.com/university/courses/electronics/text/chapter-4
15:55 <Nothing\> DHess_US: oh yeah i've heard of those
16:17 <Nothing\> in fact, my circuit sim has an example circuit of one of those i think, but i never took much of a look at it
17:39 <Nothing\> Ampera: that behavioral range was a joke though, they had the TV shut off cuz everyone was being stupid, i guess, i dunno. but the people would keep bugging the guards literally every 10 minutes to turn it back on like if they ask enough times they'll turn it back on
17:59 <Nothing\> then they tried to get me to go ask, saying the guards don't know me so they'd do it for me
18:37 <Ampera> ah, the special ed part of the daycare
18:42 <Nothing\> they didn't realize the guards aren't gonna turn it on because you ask them, when they turn it on, it'll be because they decide it's time to come back on
18:46 <Nothing\> lol yeah exactly
18:54 <Nothing\> oh man and listening to them talk, ugh
19:06 <Nothing\> every other word was "yo fam, he's blessed"
19:44 <Nothing\> they were much more along the lines of the sort of people you'd expect in prison
20:06 <Nothing\> more aggressive and ready to fight for any percieved act of disrespect
20:34 <Nothing\> luckily they took a liking to me, so i didn't have to worry about it
21:08 <Nothing\> it was just really annoying being in there and having to listen to them constantly
21:09 <Ampera> you're a regular diplomat there
21:19 <Nothing\> that's how i've always been, even in school
21:43 <Nothing\> i never belonged to any one group, but i could freely move between the groups since they all liked me
22:14 <Ampera> Best I understand it, as I've been in neither, school and prison are fairly similar
22:30 <Nothing\> they really are
23:30 <Nothing\> the place where i am usually, the people serving weekends are much better though, they're not at all like typical prison folk you'd expect, they're much more down to earth and relaxed
23:32 <Nothing\> more mature
23:55 <Ampera> Gotta thing those are the mild offenders and not really of their rocker
23:58 <Ampera> more people who dun fucked up
24:14 <Nothing\> though we have a few career criminal types-
24:24 <Nothing\> but they're just as easy to get along with
24:58 <Ampera> How much time do you have left anyways?
24:58 <Nothing\> heh 2 weeks ago i wound up being everybody's hero in there, especially the sort of head guys
25:13 <Nothing\> august 23rd is my last weekend
25:19 <Ampera> buh
25:20 <Nothing\> so, quite a while lol
25:22 <Ampera> anyways go on
25:55 <Nothing\> but yeah, they had weed in there, but no matches, so after a few hours they were all fiending real bad and getting frustrated
27:25 <Nothing\> they had matches in the range across the hall so they were trying to figure out how to get matches from them
28:01 <Nothing\> and we worked out that one of the guys from that range comes down to medical with me
28:48 <Nothing\> so the one guy somehow used sign language to tell his friend in the other range to give that guy some matches to smuggle down to medical when we went down for our methadone
29:06 <Nothing\> he passed them off to me and i smuggled them back up to our range
29:29 <Ampera> hot damn Nothing\ that's good
29:33 <Nothing\> i've never seen people be so damn happy over getting a few matches
29:50 <Nothing\> i didn't smoke any of the weed, i don't smoke anymore, but it was nice to see everybody so happy
30:08 <Nothing\> and it wasn't a huge risk anyways, i woulda just got a slap on the wrist at worst
30:22 <Nothing\> i just tucked them into my sock
30:52 <Nothing\> it's great in there man
31:13 <Nothing\> to tell you the truth i love it in there
31:20 <hsn> Ampera, u look shiny
31:23 <Nothing\> we just watch tv and shoot the shit all day
31:39 <Ampera> hsn, you look fucking hot
31:58 <Nothing\> he's so sexy, i hope we can have sex
32:06 <hsn> \^_^/
32:38 <hsn> Nothing\ i shaved my bear without barber shop thats why
32:53 <Nothing\> yeah i saw those are closed when i was out yesterday
32:53 <hsn> d
32:59 <Nothing\> i need my hair cut
49:28 <rust_collector> I just got a small suitcase, that came with a makeup kit
50:04 <rust_collector> I think I will use that to put a few tools in it, to have an emergency kit, sort of
51:03 <rust_collector> kid #2s computer it 17% done installing windows, as usual
51:22 <Ampera> installing windows is the fastest part of installing windows
51:28 <rust_collector> she has been pretty good, she was still on a functional 7 install
51:35 <rust_collector> yes, that is the sad part about it
51:42 <Ampera> since it's such a monumental pain in the ass to run like a decapitated chicken hitting a dozen websites for everything you need to make windows usable
52:13 <Ampera> That's one of the things that's blown my mind about Linux, you give it a shopping list of what you want and it gets it all and keeps it updated for you
52:30 <rust_collector> pretty much
53:03 <Ampera> Well I've just eaten four potato bread egg salad sandwiches and a handful of sweet gherkins
53:15 <Ampera> they were delicious
53:44 <rust_collector> potato bread, or bread with potato?
53:54 <Ampera> uhhh
53:56 <Ampera> yes
54:06 <rust_collector> ok, good for you
54:14 <Ampera> presumably normal bread that's part potato
54:19 <rust_collector> ok
54:20 <Ampera> it's basically normal US bread but sweeter
55:06 <rust_collector> we have some "bread" that is more like a pancake, that is made from potato
55:23 <rust_collector> wrap your stuff in there. it is pretty good, for some things
56:02 <rust_collector> like a... tortilla? the mexican thing
56:11 <rust_collector> just potato based
06:47 <Nothing\> jerkin your gherkin
07:13 <Nothing\> i thought of that the other day while i was half asleep and have been dying for an excuse to say it
07:28 <DHess_US> potato or rice based bread is popular with people who react poorly to gluten in wheat.
08:30 <DHess_US> Like people who drink goat milk instead of cow milk.
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20:17 <hsn> Ampera .. there is somthing faster in windows
20:49 <hsn> sending crash reports :)
24:56 <rust_collector> yes, you do not have to wait for years to have the thing crash, that is true
25:51 <DHess_US> My windows 10 test box crashes periodically for no discernable reason.
26:12 <DHess_US> Also, HT causes it to blue screen within hours.
26:14 <Ampera> I recall only one or two kernel oops events happening on any of my Linux boxes, only under unique circumstances
27:41 <rust_collector> I also like the feature, where 10 disables or uninstall your drivers now and then
28:36 <DHess_US> Or resets the settings in your applications.
29:02 <Ampera> Or when windows update decides to take forever
29:06 <Ampera> or break completely
29:19 <Ampera> or when an update is required to make windows update work, but windows update can't install that update
29:25 <DHess_US> Windows 10 has been crying about not being able to download updates for months now.
30:12 <Ampera> all that hooplah and you still have to go door to door upgrading every single thing you have installed additionally
30:47 <rust_collector> I wonder if I should put one of those analog amperemeters in my suitcase, just hooked to some banana jacks...
32:01 <rust_collector> maybe not, I think the beefiest one I have is 5a, and I think a device with issues maybe needs more
32:24 <rust_collector> but it would look ok
40:26 <Lemon> hey gajs
44:53 <rust_collector> hi le-person
45:03 <Lemon> how its poppin rusty
45:18 <rust_collector> poopin well today
46:26 <Lemon> im wondering the difference of a 50Mhz pulse gen, and my current arb gen
46:36 <Lemon> if mine have the features of a regular pulse gen or not
46:44 <rust_collector> I had a goy over, to look at my old car. I do not think he is going to buy it. I found a very small suitcase, that I will make into a small emergency electronics thingies box, and installed windows again
47:02 <Lemon> ho neat ! keep it man it seems you like it
47:25 <rust_collector> well, yea, I have mixed feelings about it
47:51 <rust_collector> but I know this guy, and he would get it running and used again, which is a thing
48:10 <Lemon> yeah theres that too
48:13 <Lemon> I saw dis https://www.ebay.fr/itm/EH-G710-PULSE-GENERATOR-50MHz-L284/293519253015?hash=item44571c5e17:g:WXoAAOSwyIledSCn
48:22 <rust_collector> looking at it, it should not take too much work to get it going
48:58 <DHess_US> pulse generators are pretty specialized. Get a function generator first.
49:29 <Lemon> well... I have :>
49:49 <Lemon> I got two little 2Mhz function gen, a bigger wavetek 164 sweep generator with 30Mhz bw, and currently I use a siglent 1032X
49:51 <rust_collector> I think you forgot to send one of them to me, btw
49:54 <Lemon> but im wondering
50:09 <Lemon> my siglent arb gen got the same features as the pulse gen I linked ?
50:27 <Lemon> idk why but I love square waves
50:34 <Lemon> and this one seems nice for thep rice
51:34 <Lemon> what do you think DHess_US ?
51:51 <Lemon> a modern arb gen got the same features as that pulse gen ?
51:56 <Lemon> or its no substitute ?
52:14 <Lemon> I know that to adjust and calibrate scopes, they often ask for a pulse gen
52:22 <Lemon> so Ithought why not get one if I can find a nice one for 50-60 euros max
52:34 <DHess_US> It isn't a substitute. The difference is that a pulse generator has an output stage which operates open loop making it much faster.
52:50 <DHess_US> But it is rare to require such high performance.
52:55 <Lemon> and the waveform itself is clean ?
53:19 <Lemon> does it looks like a nice square wave ? or more like a sine wave
53:28 <Lemon> ho I probably dont require it
53:34 <DHess_US> No, the waveform is not necessarily clean unless the pulse generator is specifically design for that like with a reference level pulse generator.
53:35 <Lemon> but you know.... test instruments... herm
53:56 <Lemon> I could use it to calibrate a scope right ?
54:03 <DHess_US> It's square wave shape will be better than a function generator at high frequencies because the output stage does not have to be linear.
54:21 <Lemon> ok, I see !
54:30 <DHess_US> Unless a pulse generator is a reference level pulse generator, then it cannot be used to calibrate an oscilloscope's transient response.
54:30 <Lemon> do you know this brand/model in particular ?
54:40 <Lemon> aww ok
55:25 <DHess_US> So for instance I have one of these which I did not buy specifically, http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/PG501
56:01 <Lemon> pretty nice !
56:04 <DHess_US> And this is the kind of pulse generator used for oscilloscope calibration, http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/PG506
56:28 <DHess_US> I mean for transient response calibration. It produces a very very accurate edge.
56:32 <DHess_US> sec.
56:34 <Lemon> what would be the use for the one I linked ?
56:40 <Lemon> an example
58:06 <Lemon> I kinda want it, for hmm purposes
58:11 <Lemon> twist its knobs !
58:16 <Lemon> see what it ouputs
58:25 <Lemon> the price seems nice for a 50Mhz pulse gen
59:27 <DHess_US> This is what the output from a PG506 intended to do transient response calibration looks like: https://imgur.com/a/qLz2m1L
59:42 <DHess_US> Ignore the jitter in the top photo, that is what I was measuring.
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00:13 <DHess_US> The top photo is from a 14 GHz sampling oscilloscope. The edge is so clean that that slow drift upwards is the dribble up from the coaxial cable.
00:49 <Lemon> im trying to load them
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00:52 <Lemon> shitty net
00:56 <DHess_US> The bottom photos show the same signal into my 100 MHz 2232. All of the aberrations shown on the 2232 are from the 2232 itself and are well within the specifications of the 2232.
00:57 <Lemon> annnnnnd so
01:21 <Lemon> hooo a 2232
01:26 <DHess_US> I could probably tweak the 2232 for a slightly better performance.
01:38 <Lemon> that looks nice !
01:45 <Lemon> annnnnd about the baby I linked !
01:53 <Lemon> do you have any idea of what it can be used for ?
02:00 <Lemon> any example in particular, learning applications ?
02:23 <rust_collector> plug into an amplifier, and annoy the hell out of your neighbors?
02:27 <Lemon> (a better reason to buy than 'but it looks good and its cheap !
02:34 <Lemon> haha thats an idea !
03:43 <DHess_US> Here is the same signal from the PG506 on a Tektronix 465 which needs some repairs and adjustment, https://imgur.com/ZslDpwO
04:14 <Lemon> 465 are nice instruments ! it looks nice honestly
04:34 <DHess_US> It should look more like the response on the 2232
04:43 <Lemon> and and so
04:49 <Lemon> about the 50Mhz I linked xD
04:53 <Lemon> do you know the brand ?
05:02 <Lemon> I'd like to have your take on this one
05:16 <Lemon> you seems to know everything about every question I ask :>
05:23 <Lemon> thats quite valuable !
06:09 <DHess_US> There's nothing wrong with the pulse generator you linked but it is just a very specialized instrument even for a pulse generator.
06:27 <Lemon> do you have any examples of what it can be used ? any learning applications ?
06:42 <rust_collector> plug into an amplifier, and annoy the hell out of your neighbors?
06:49 <coppice_> The Tek 465 has to be the most classic of all instruments
06:51 <Lemon> yeah rusty I got it xd
07:16 <rust_collector> ssh! I was seeing if mr H would agree
08:52 <DHess_US> If I was looking for a general purpose pulse generator and *not* a function generator, I would look for one which has independently adjustable high and low amplitude levels.
08:59 <DHess_US> So like http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/PG502
09:28 <coppice_> Is a bean farmer a pulse generator?
09:33 <Lemon> the one I linked seems to only have one amplitude knob
09:37 <Lemon> but im curious
09:42 <Lemon> you say its specialized
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09:50 <Lemon> but for what, for example ?
09:53 <DHess_US> or http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/PG507
10:08 <DHess_US> or http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/PG508
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10:49 <DHess_US> The one you linked? It is specialized because it lacks variable amplitude on its output.
11:00 <Lemon> but theres an amplitude knob ?
11:03 <DHess_US> And lacks variable rise and fall time like the two I just linked.
11:09 <DHess_US> Is there? I didn't see it.
11:11 <Lemon> ha yeah true for that
11:13 <Lemon> yeah on the right
11:56 <Lemon> im just wondering what this one could be used for
11:58 <DHess_US> pulse generators are like frequency counters. Unless you have a specific use, they are not very handy.
12:18 <Lemon> but it can lead to find a use, and learn new things :>
12:20 <DHess_US> That is the thing, there are not many uses for it.
12:33 <coppice_> I find frequency counters very useful, but most labs don't even have a basic one these days
12:52 <Lemon> I have a nice HP 5345a , given by mamalala !
12:56 <Lemon> I'd love to find it a nice plugin
13:02 <DHess_US> Oh, I like *universal* frequency counters, but not common ones.
13:03 <Lemon> its a nice beast
13:48 <Lemon> so for you DHess_US, my current siglent arb gen could do almost everything this pulse gen do ? its just a tad slower ?
14:01 <DHess_US> That's right.
14:06 <Lemon> ok well
14:11 <Lemon> its not really worth it then
14:15 <DHess_US> Assuming that it has a trigger input anyway.
14:28 <Lemon> hmmm lemme see
14:35 <DHess_US> I usually end up using one of my function generators as a pulse generator.
15:11 <Lemon> it got an aux/in
15:23 <Lemon> guess it can be used as a trigger input I think I read it somewhere in the manual
15:25 <DHess_US> But can that be used as a trigger?
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17:56 <coppice_> There are lots of things which need to be running at a fairly precise clock rate, but the lack of a counter in the average modern lab means when you want to check that a problem is not simply the clock rate, there isn't a tool around to do a simple check. Its a huge time waster
18:13 <Lemon> trigger source : internal, external, manual
18:15 <Lemon> I guess yes
19:19 <DHess_US> But a universal counter can measure frequency, but also width and ratio. And if it has good triggering, rise and fall times.
19:22 <Lemon> no I'll focus on a gpsdo
19:35 <Lemon> I want one to use with the siglent, and maybe the counter, scope
19:48 <Lemon> I think mine can do that
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20:06 <Lemon> period a, ratio b/a, time int a to b
21:34 <DHess_US> These for instance are great counters, https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=HP+%285315%2C5316%29&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_sop=15
21:51 <Lemon> DHess_US if you were to get a 10Mhz standard, would you get a simple GPSDO module, or a Rb one without a gps ?
22:06 <DHess_US> GPSDO
22:17 <Lemon> https://www.radiomuseum.org/images/radio/hewlett_packard_palo/electronic_counter_5345a_1440387.jpg
22:20 <Lemon> this is the one I have
22:22 <Lemon> yeah ok
22:26 <Lemon> that seems easier to use
22:34 <Lemon> and it 'correct' itself from what I understand
22:41 <DHess_US> More reliable than Rb unless you can get a new Rb.
22:52 <Lemon> any chinese one will do ?
22:56 <DHess_US> Even if you got a Rb, you would want a GPSDO to verify that it is working correctly.
23:02 <Lemon> I heard they use symmetricon, datum, samsung etc modules
23:08 <Lemon> hmmm ok
23:11 <Lemon> so a gpsdo first
23:12 <DHess_US> Well, that's the problem.
23:33 <DHess_US> One of the kit GPSDOs would be good.
23:46 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/NEW-10MHz-Sinwave-PLL-GPSDO-GPS-DISCIPLINED-OSCILLATOR-adapter-GPS-ANT/262038924752?hash=item3d02bcadd0:g:ZmsAAOSwkvFafGgr those for example
24:13 <DHess_US> Yes, that would be a good one.
24:22 <Lemon> the antenna is enough ?
24:27 <Lemon> the one that comes with it
24:38 <DHess_US> Sure
24:52 <Lemon> can it be considered as a good standard ?
25:02 <Lemon> like, it will be accurate to a few micro hz ?
25:07 <DHess_US> Better than you will likely need for anything.
25:20 <DHess_US> I would trust it more than a random telecom one.
25:22 <Lemon> I think my counter can count down to 1uHz, and is accurate to +- 20uHz
25:40 <Lemon> ok ! interesting, thanks
25:55 <Lemon> but I need some sort of splitter to use it with multiple instruments, you said it a few days earlier
26:12 <DHess_US> Hmm, my best counter is 9 digits per second so can measure 1 Hz down to 1nHz in 1 second.
26:23 <Lemon> 1 nHz ???
26:27 <DHess_US> Sure
26:28 <Lemon> which model is it ? :o
26:36 <DHess_US> Racal-Dana 1992
26:37 <Lemon> to get the resolution its a gate time of 1000s on mine lol
26:47 <DHess_US> It has interpolation down to 1 nanosecond
26:49 <Lemon> haaa a racal dana !
26:53 <Lemon> I keep hearing about those
27:06 <DHess_US> Roughly equivalent to an HP ...
27:31 <Lemon> 350-400 euros for those no ?
27:58 <DHess_US> HP 5334A or HP 5335A
28:07 <DHess_US> I got mine for $80
28:10 <Lemon> the 5345a isnt better than those ?
28:45 <DHess_US> I don't think it has interpolation?
28:58 <Lemon> I dont think so ! I don't really know what interpolation is
29:02 <DHess_US> Optimized for a different kind of use? Like faster or higher measurement rate?
29:27 <Lemon> well it got a gate time of 100nS to 1000S, adjustable sample rate
29:32 <Lemon> two channels
29:41 <Lemon> various functions like ratio b/a, period etc
29:48 <Lemon> I can't tell you more honestly
29:52 <Lemon> its a heavy mofo
29:57 <Lemon> and loudboi
30:12 <Lemon> mamalala gave it to me and I kinda like it !
30:43 <DHess_US> Yea, the HP 5345A doesn't have interpolation. It is optimized for high bandwidth.
30:58 <Lemon> 500Mhz max without plugin
31:05 <Lemon> but your racal dana goes much higher ? thats strange
31:14 <Lemon> but yeah it got some 18Ghz plugins I think
31:18 <Lemon> maybe thats why
31:47 <DHess_US> My Racal has a channel C input with a prescaler.
31:58 <DHess_US> But because it is an interpolating counter, the prescaler doesn't lower resolution.
32:21 <Lemon> hmmm so for example
32:29 <DHess_US> It *always* produces 9 digits per second no matter what the frequency is because every measurement is down to 1 nanosecond.
32:29 <Lemon> mine would be more accurate at 500Mhz than yours ?
32:33 <Lemon> or display more digits ?
32:53 <Lemon> but yours got way lower in resolution it seems
32:54 <DHess_US> No, your would produce the same number of digits for a 1 GHZ input.
33:08 <Lemon> mine got 11 digits total I think
33:17 <Lemon> but damn, nano hz thats nice
33:22 <DHess_US> So your can measure 1 GHz down to 1 Hz in 1 second. My 1992 can measure *any* frequency to produce 9 digits.
33:52 <DHess_US> So the number of digits on mine is constant down to 1 Hz.
34:01 <DHess_US> That is what interpolating counters are good for.
34:15 <Lemon> ok !! interesting :>
34:29 <DHess_US> The ones I linked though aren't interpolating, but are still very nice. They go down to 100ns
34:32 <Lemon> those racal dana are expensive now
34:39 <DHess_US> So they produce 7 digits per second.
37:35 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/eRPiHlK.jpg
37:37 <Lemon> also for the gpsdo
37:42 <Lemon> can I benefit from a better antena ?
37:48 <Lemon> or the stock one is more than enough
38:02 <Lemon> lol :>
40:58 <DHess_US> antenna placement will be more important than the antenna
41:20 <DHess_US> Need to get it as high as possible with good sky coverage.
41:23 <Lemon> I hope the cable will be long enough
42:53 <Lemon> ho btw I bought the gpib cable !
43:06 <Lemon> along with three guenuine agilent stackable cables
43:11 <Lemon> used in good condition
43:37 <Lemon> and the gpib usb cable seems genuine too, but even if its a fake one, well they seem to work perfectly
43:39 <Lemon> so I dont really care
55:40 <Lemon> ok I found a gpsdo module in germany
55:47 <Lemon> same ones but in black, a tad more expensive
55:58 <Lemon> but at least it will come here before the sun hit the earth
10:16 <rust_collector> *thud*
10:27 <Lemon> yeah exactly
10:50 <rust_collector> maybe it is more like
11:01 <rust_collector> *boOOOOOinnnng*
11:09 <Lemon> froutch
11:32 <rust_collector> then they notice the sun is pretty small, it was just much closet than they thought
13:04 <rust_collector> interesting times
13:19 <Lemon> yeah maybe its just a big football
13:51 <Lemon> im so happy about my two ifixit bit kits
14:01 <Lemon> for 30 euros each, they are well made and got everything
14:06 <Lemon> I highly recommend them
14:17 <rust_collector> what kind of bits?
14:25 <Lemon> its been like 3-4 months I have them
14:48 <Lemon> theres 64 bits per kit (one bigger than the other) like flat, philips, torx, things you never saw before etc in all sizes
14:57 <rust_collector> the regular 1/4" or the smaller ones?
15:21 <Lemon> theres ultra small ones, and bigger ones, wait lemme link it
15:28 <Lemon> idk the size in imperial units
15:37 <rust_collector> the part you stick into the driver
15:42 <rust_collector> 6.3mm or so
15:51 <Lemon> https://fr.ifixit.com/Boutique/Tools/Mako-Driver-Kit--64-Precision-Bits/IF145-299
16:11 <Lemon> https://fr.ifixit.com/Boutique/Tools/Mahi-Driver-Kit--48-Bit-Driver-Kit/IF145-391?o=1
16:19 <Lemon> 64 and 48 bits not 54 each
16:21 <Lemon> 64
16:23 <rust_collector> 4mm, ok
16:37 <rust_collector> that is neat
16:38 <Lemon> the other might be 6
16:46 <Lemon> yea 1/4inch
16:56 <Lemon> yeah its really nice, and of good quality
17:15 <Lemon> ive never came accross something where I didnt have the bit needed
17:30 <Lemon> and I found some obscure stuff, like those dual thingies Idk the name of
17:41 <Lemon> looks like a trident, but with only two spikes
17:49 <rust_collector> hah, I guess you never tried to do anything on a renault from around 1990
17:53 <Lemon> second row from the top, second link
18:18 <Lemon> actualllyyyy I had a 106 from that era I think
18:28 <Lemon> maybe 1991 or something I dont remember
18:56 <rust_collector> actually, peugeot used torx. renault used their own "torx" which had 7 sides
19:26 <Lemon> damn frenchies
19:30 <rust_collector> yep
19:42 <rust_collector> the 106 was a pretty neat little thing
20:02 <rust_collector> I like pugs from around that age, except the 605
20:19 <rust_collector> the 106 and 306 were ok
20:21 <Lemon> yeah well, 45 hp, slow af, 6-7 litters per 100km
20:25 <Lemon> it was falling apart
20:28 <rust_collector> 406 not so much
20:41 <Lemon> I almost bought a 406 v6 3.0 once lol
20:49 <rust_collector> 45hp, was this a .9 liter or something
20:54 <Lemon> yes
20:55 <Lemon> xd
21:14 <rust_collector> should make a nice lawn mower
21:49 <rust_collector> the 3 liter 605 was pretty nice, but you had to rewire the entire thing
22:14 <rust_collector> like any 605
22:35 <Lemon> ha yeah I loved those cars, when I was young my parents had two
22:48 <rust_collector> I think most 406s were scrapped, because of rusted brake lines, lol
23:19 <rust_collector> I had a 605, with the extra slow 8 valve 2 liter. it was so disappointing
24:02 <rust_collector> very nice to drive, and it handled great, then you get on the onramp, and.....nothing
24:07 <Lemon> they are pretty heavy yeah
24:10 <Lemon> but comfy
24:44 <rust_collector> well, I got it for free, if I went to pick it up, so it was a nice deal
25:06 <Lemon> ha yeah neat !
26:10 <rust_collector> the gas hole is connected to the tank, with a 90 degree hose, which was rotted out. so the guy could not get it started. he poured a can of gas in there, and it went WheeeeeeEEEbrrrrrrr........ and that was it.
26:36 <rust_collector> I wonder how many cans of gas he had poured on the ground in that spot
27:21 <Lemon> pffrtt, well, they werent known for their reliability, especially if you dont do maintenance on it
29:03 <Lemon> https://www.peakelec.co.uk/acatalog/zen50-zener-analyser.html
29:05 <rust_collector> the 8 valve 2 liter was not bad, it had the iron block, not like the later models with wet liners. it was just a slow dog. the v6 was not bad(running) but they were not very good engines
29:07 <Lemon> interesting thingies
29:50 <rust_collector> that looks like a good arduino project
30:22 <Lemon> those little thing are made in the uk I think, good quality
30:26 <Lemon> but some are a tad expensive
30:32 <rust_collector> a tad...
30:33 <Lemon> the DCA pro is really good
30:43 <Lemon> it gives tons of informations, and its accurate
31:13 <rust_collector> whattt---evvah
31:45 <Lemon> well I can measure most of that with my lcr meter
32:05 <Lemon> but the semiconductor analyser would tempt me if it was cheaper, 125 euros is too much
32:12 <rust_collector> I believe the peak thingies are pretty good, but they are a bit pricy for my use
32:21 <rust_collector> or non-use, most of the time
32:24 <Lemon> yeah at 40-50 euros mayyyybeee
33:31 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PLL-GPSDO-GPS-Tame-Disciplined-Clock-Sine-Wave-GPS-Receiver-10M-1PPS-Antenna-DE/382780785719?hash=item591f834437:g:aFMAAOSw5apcYpVE
33:36 <Lemon> im going to get this one I think
34:08 <Lemon> I stay in the initial budget of 200 +- 10% for the gpsdo + gpib cables
35:02 <rust_collector> I think I am going to make an opamp based crap power supply, more or less as a test, and if it works ok, I will put it in my suitcase
35:41 <Lemon> thats a nice idea, I do want to build a somewhat high voltage one, like maybe 100 or 200V, 500ma one
37:49 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/MB0DlqE
38:06 <Lemon> cute !
38:11 <rust_collector> yep
39:10 <Lemon> I need to find out how to feed multiple instruments with my gpsdo module
39:23 <Lemon> id like to use it with the counter, gen and maybe the scope
41:15 <Lemon> ho also it got a rs232 connector
41:19 <Lemon> maybe I can monitor it on my computer
41:53 <Lemon> hmmm its a weird rs232
46:02 <rust_collector> weird is a great brand, I use their devices all the time
46:11 <Lemon> heh
46:23 <Lemon> well on the ebay link you can see a rs232 label
46:28 <Lemon> and a jack like connector
46:37 <Lemon> doesnt look like rs232 to me
49:39 <Lemon> I have to look if theres an old laptop still working in the pile of crap
49:55 <Lemon> I could dedicate it to measurements and monitoring, and leave it on 24/24
50:07 <Lemon> I dont want to leave on my workstation, its too loud and power hungry
50:24 <Lemon> that could be fun, I like those oldies
50:36 <Lemon> I think I have an old toshiba sattelite
12:56 <rust_collector> why do you have a loud desktop?
13:12 <rust_collector> oh, I am mr sorry, "workstation"
13:36 <Lemon> well it got two xeons, with two blowers on it
13:47 <Lemon> alaong with 6x140mm corsair fans
14:06 <Lemon> a nice powerhouse
14:12 <Lemon> perfect for irc
14:15 <rust_collector> and I assume those have to go balls out all the time?
14:42 <Lemon> well I cant control them via the bios or windows, so I connected them to an analog rheobus, and turned them down
14:57 <Lemon> if im doing some heavy stuff I crank them up
16:34 <rust_collector> ok then
18:14 <rust_collector> I think I should get rid of some random computers.
19:00 <rust_collector> at least some of the laptops.
20:53 <rust_collector> I threw out most of the older desktops. I only have this thing, which is a compact-ish hp, a crappy asus vivopc, which actually works really well, for some things, and the core duo box out in the garage, which is a very very small hp media pc, from the xp era. It is not very awesome, but it is just so neat
21:37 <rust_collector> I might look into putting a core2duo in it, and see if that gives it a bit more more
22:05 <rust_collector> pizza is almost done
22:33 <rust_collector> todays pizza is mostly oatmeal based.
22:42 <Lemon> I have trouble to throw things
23:05 <rust_collector> I do too. which is why I think I probably should
23:18 <Lemon> I still have tons of laptops that were at my father
23:28 <Lemon> lie what, 20+ maybe ?
23:42 <Lemon> I will see tommorow if I can dedicate one to measurements and monitoring
24:16 <rust_collector> I have a stack of 5 that I use for different things, here at my bench. I have a cupboard of other random laptops that I never really use
24:49 <Lemon> its hard to find them a sue
24:50 <Lemon> use
24:57 <Lemon> I still ahve the nice macbook 15 of my father
25:02 <Lemon> along with his iphone 10
25:06 <Lemon> we dont use them
25:35 <rust_collector> I have to look into 4/5g cards. they are shutting down 3g up here, and I do not feel like using "2g" internet on a computer
26:19 <rust_collector> I think the one in the stinkpad might do 4g, but I am not sure about that
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27:32 <Lemon> I like thinkpad
27:39 <rust_collector> the little vivopc actually has a serial port...
27:48 <Lemon> a friend wanted to get a new laptop and she doesnt know a thing about computer, I told her to get a x230
27:54 <Lemon> and one day she came with one
28:06 <Lemon> I was impressed, she manage to find one in nice shape for not too much
28:13 <Lemon> im talking about someone that barely use a computer
28:16 <rust_collector> they are nice, but they are getting old now
28:27 <Lemon> wel lhonestly they still work like a charm
28:34 <rust_collector> should still work ok for most things
28:35 <Lemon> I trust them a lot more than new low end laptops
29:21 <rust_collector> it is not trust that is the issue, being too slow running the new crap programs is
30:27 <rust_collector> you know, when you have skype and teamwiewer and steam, and blah blah and all the things autostart when it boots,
30:35 <Lemon> well theres win 10 on it, it works fairly well
30:44 <rust_collector> I dunno all the names,
30:46 <Lemon> id put a ssd on it
30:49 <rust_collector> yes
31:17 <rust_collector> I do not have a computer in use that boots from a spinning drive
32:04 <Lemon> me neither
34:54 <rust_collector> i do look at those nvme/m2 to pci things
35:37 <Lemon> im using one as my mobo dont support nvme, I think its a icy box
35:48 <Lemon> they run cheap, just take care to buy a x4 one
35:56 <rust_collector> yes, it was, the last time we talked about it
36:39 <rust_collector> well, I have to look inside this box, and see what I have to plug it into
37:32 <Lemon> yeah its quite a nice thing to have
37:35 <Lemon> hey
37:41 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PLL-GPSDO-GPS-Tame-Disciplined-Clock-Sine-Wave-GPS-Receiver-10M-1PPS-Antenna-DE/382780785719 do you think the little antenna is waterproof ?
37:57 <Lemon> looking at it it seems, or at least I could add some hot glue on its sides to help it
38:22 <rust_collector> you can probably dip it in rtv, if it is important
38:47 <Lemon> I want to hang it outside for better reception if the cable is long enough
39:18 <rust_collector> ok, how long can such a cable be?
39:31 <Lemon> 5 meters if im right, lets see
39:53 <Lemon> hmmm should b e enough
39:59 <rust_collector> 5m
40:07 <rust_collector> i hope you are close to a window
40:42 <rust_collector> I mean, what is the max length you can use, without getting issues, not how long that thing came with?
41:54 <Lemon> yeah im close to one, and idk honestly the shorter the better I guess, but I could probably add a few meters
41:59 <Lemon> but 5 meters should be enough
47:13 <Lemon> DHess_US hey, is this the kind of thing I need if I want to feed multiple instruments with the same 10Mhz GPSDO ? https://www.ebay.fr/itm/10MHz-Frequency-Distribution-Amplifier-OCXO-Benchmark-Clock-Divider-8Port-Output/323786500565?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711100440%26meid%3Dc4579beda5cd4de29c3c78c0e0708adc%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D114136690101%26itm%3D323786500565%2
47:13 <Lemon> noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplRVIAMLv5WebWithPLRVIOnTopCombiner&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982
50:08 <Lemon> also I dont get it
50:09 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/PLL-GPSDO-GPS-Tame-Disciplined-Clock-Sine-Wave-GPS-Receiver-10M-1PPS-RS232-New-/254223083494
50:12 <Lemon> they say rs232
50:17 <Lemon> it doesnt look like it to me
51:47 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/RS232-vers-prise-Jack-C%C3%A2ble-modem/dp/B075GTQLLC do I need that ?
51:50 <Lemon> looks like it seems
54:25 <rust_collector> hmm, I need to get some etching gloop
59:14 <DHess_US> Lemon, yes. Video distribution amplifiers can be modified to do it.
59:38 <Lemon> ok thanks ! I dont need that much ouputs, and maybe it can be found cheaper ?
59:48 <Lemon> the modification is easy ?
07:51 <Lemon> and also, for the gpsdo module and its jack-like rs232, the cable I linked (rs232 to simple 3,5mm jack) is the correct one ?
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37:04 <Halcyon> Morning everyone
37:28 <rust_collector> moin moin
38:19 <Halcyon> Time for coffee
38:24 <rust_collector> yes
38:39 <rust_collector> I am on a diluted coffee mix today
38:53 <Halcyon> ?
38:59 <Halcyon> Watered down coffee?
39:17 <rust_collector> no no, shannons oirish cream
39:33 <Halcyon> Heh
39:34 <Halcyon> Nom
40:56 * Ampera coughs on Halcyon 
41:52 <Halcyon> M-m-m-myyyy Corona
42:07 <Ampera> how do Halcyon
42:34 <Ampera> how is upsidedownsville holding up to whinnie the flu?
43:22 <Halcyon> Yeh we're fine
43:29 <Halcyon> People overreacting as normal
43:45 <Halcyon> I'm just going about my daily life as usual
43:48 <Halcyon> How about you?
44:50 <Ampera> Entire state is under lockdown
44:57 <Ampera> All non-essential workers are ordered to stay home
46:00 <Ampera> Grocery stores are under strain as people keep panic buying essentials, and toilet paper
46:40 <Ampera> I still have a paying job, so does my family. You've already heard about my grandfather
46:41 <rust_collector> I still wonder what the thing is with tp
47:47 <rust_collector> I have to say I like AvEs fix more than big clives, just because it looks nicer
48:41 <Ampera> NY is currently the grand epicenter of COVID-19 (confirmed cases) in the nation.
48:45 <Halcyon> Ampera: There is talk of us working from home. I hope it happens because it means I don't have to spend 3 hours in a car every day :D
49:00 <Ampera> I've been working home as of last week, I'm not a fan of it
49:16 <Ampera> I enjoyed having a dedicated place to focus my mind
50:07 <Halcyon> Yeh fair enough
50:16 <Halcyon> As it is, I'll only be working from home 2 of the 4 days
50:26 <Halcyon> So fuck knows what that is supposed to achieve
50:33 <Ampera> I'd not mind it at all if my grandfather weren't in the direct crossfire of the disease
50:46 <Halcyon> Yeh exactly
54:26 <Ampera> Halcyon, now that I have my new machine all set and going I'm gonna do some VR streaming
54:35 <Ampera> playing a couple VR games in about an hour
54:35 <Halcyon> YAY
55:25 <Ampera> My PC now has bluetooth so I can also use wireless headphones. My new condensor mic also means I'll have decent audio
55:34 <Ampera> encoding should also be pretty good since my CPU is a beast
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00:04 <Halcyon> Nice :)
12:46 <Halcyon> Oh Ampera, did I mention I might actually be getting half-decent broadband?
17:50 <Ampera> yes
18:00 <Halcyon> I'm very excited
19:16 <Halcyon> Which also means I might actually be able to get fibre to the premises
19:29 <Halcyon> (Something which should have been done 10 years ago)
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55:25 <steve30> hi Halcyon
01:57 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
03:10 <steve30> Halcyon, I had the other air conditioning man round on friday
04:42 <steve30> He suggested either Fujitsu if i wanted something cheaper, or mitsubishi Electric if I wanted something more expensive.
04:51 <steve30> He said he'd put a couple of suggestions together for me.
04:58 <Halcyon> Both are decent brands
19:08 <MrMobodies> Hello
19:20 <Halcyon> Hey MrMobodies
19:24 <MrMobodies> Anyone who wears glasses?
19:31 <Halcyon> Nope
19:41 <steve30> i do
19:41 <MrMobodies> I went to my opticions over 100 miles away
19:53 <MrMobodies> I thought I was getting an identical pair
20:06 <MrMobodies> they were wide, fit and didn't fall down but there is one thing
20:57 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/maerwpV
21:03 <MrMobodies> They PINCH my nose
21:23 <MrMobodies> I don't remember having pair of glasses like that before even the the ones that don't fit
22:08 <MrMobodies> Those raised plastic squared in red have sharp edges
22:19 <MrMobodies> so it digs into the skin and makes it sore
22:38 <MrMobodies> whoever thought that was a good idea or maybe it fits a certain person nose without a problem
23:06 <MrMobodies> I am hoping it was a mistake and they didn't have the design
23:54 <MrMobodies> anyone have frames with the noise peace like that?
24:07 <steve30> nope
24:22 <MrMobodies> bottom picture I took from a cameras I was testing
24:37 <MrMobodies> with my old frame as I couldn't remember it having that plastic thing
26:19 <MrMobodies> The old one didn't have writing on it but at the nose bit and I had them file it off as it was reflecting on the glass
26:30 <MrMobodies> this one has writing so I think it is wrong one
09:50 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
14:32 <Halcyon> :)
14:36 <Halcyon> Back soon, going to the post office
25:33 <MrMobodies> I am pleased with my post office
25:56 <MrMobodies> it is still opened for business unlike the public house that has now closed due to the outbreak
26:41 <steve30> closing a post office might be difficult, what with people needing to post things and pay bills/withdraw pensions etc
55:07 <MrMobodies> I was speaking to a lady in a cafe
55:22 <MrMobodies> she said that the post office is very busy always packed
55:39 <MrMobodies> and what do they want to do, close it down.
56:08 <MrMobodies> that was the place where i picked up my frames
57:52 <MrMobodies> https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/hornchurch-post-office-will-close-next-weekend-1-6063546
02:38 <Halcyon> Back
02:47 <steve30> What did you post?
02:57 <Halcyon> Just some old UPSs I sold on ebay
04:12 <Ampera> Speaking of which, Halcyon, I think the Voodoo 2 is being held back
04:19 <Ampera> as it's still registered as departed from Sydney
04:35 <steve30> Still not sending me a hot guy then?
05:30 <Halcyon> Probably Corona virus causing issues with post
05:37 <Halcyon> Even domestic stuff is being held up
06:48 <MrMobodies> Halycon send you a Voodoo 2?
06:56 <Ampera> sold me one
07:02 <Halcyon> Yeh I had 4
07:41 <MrMobodies> I have gome some in a box somewhere
07:47 <MrMobodies> I might just give them away one day
07:56 <MrMobodies> to those who want it
08:00 <Ampera> Voodoo 2's?
08:05 <MrMobodies> it'll be a bit of fun though
08:06 <MrMobodies> yes
08:15 <Ampera> my wallet is suddenly feeling uneasy
08:20 <MrMobodies> I think some of of them are from different manufacturers
09:55 <MrMobodies> get to a point where as I am getting older they are still in a box sitting there
10:18 <MrMobodies> but one day I'll take them out and see if they work okay
10:45 <Halcyon> MrMobodies: They are highly sought after
10:50 <MrMobodies> oh
10:52 <Halcyon> I've retained 3, that's all I need
11:14 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR4.TRC1.A0.H0.Xvoodoo+2.TRS0&_nkw=voodoo+2&_sacat=0
11:14 <Halcyon> They easily sell for AUD$200+
11:17 <MrMobodies> £85
11:21 <MrMobodies> oops 95 pound
11:35 <steve30> I should do some food
11:39 <MrMobodies> the last time I saw them for about £20 or so years ago as far as I remember
11:45 <Ampera> If you have an 8MB one, how much would you want for it?
13:12 <MrMobodies> Tell you what if it works, I'll post one to you. To me I don't believe in charging a lot for that sort of stuff
13:35 <MrMobodies> I picked them up for a couple of pound down the boostale over 10 years ago
13:40 <Ampera> I'll pay you like 40 bucks for shipping if you want
13:53 <MrMobodies> When I get the stuff out
13:56 <Ampera> alright
14:04 <MrMobodies> You can connect to that HP KVM switch
14:06 <Ampera> ask Halcyon what he sent me, see if you can match the cards or something
14:11 <MrMobodies> I'll plug them in and you have a play
14:20 <MrMobodies> if you like it I'll ship it
14:21 <Ampera> neat
15:10 <Ampera> Voodoo 2 SLI would be awesome
15:27 <MrMobodies> I see floppy cable mod to join them
15:29 <Halcyon> I forgot exactly the model but it was the 8MB A-Trend Helios card
15:41 <Halcyon> It's a 3DFX reference design
15:51 <Ampera> I already have an SLI cable iirc
16:15 <MrMobodies> I tried that once I thinkhttp://hw-museum.cz/vga/3/a-trend-helios-3d
16:22 <MrMobodies> nice
17:25 <Ampera> agh
17:36 <Ampera> does that card not have an SLI connector?
17:43 <MrMobodies> I think they do
17:43 <Ampera> although that looks like a Voodoo 1 card
17:51 <Ampera> so it's likely not the right card
18:06 <Halcyon> Looks different to that one
18:10 <Halcyon> That's a Voodoo 1
18:19 <Ampera> I already have one of those, Diamond Monster 3D
18:21 <Halcyon> Hang on I'll find it
18:49 <Halcyon> The model is ATC-2455
19:35 <Halcyon> They came in a 8 and 12 MB versions
20:59 <DHess_US> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/675146233588744192/691077656237572225/image2.png
21:16 <Halcyon> Hahahah
21:22 <Halcyon> So true
23:19 <Halcyon> People are so fucking stupid. There were shoppers lined up around the corner first thing in the morning to buy staples like pasta and flour
23:38 <Halcyon> All they have to do is go to a grocer or various other places to find it, most places have it on the shelf.
25:35 <MrMobodies> I do have a Voodoo 1 but it is only 4mb
25:36 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/7kP3Jlp.jpg
25:47 <Halcyon> Oh nice
25:59 <Halcyon> I'd buy it off you, I never had a Voodoo1
26:24 <MrMobodies> i don't if it works
26:28 <MrMobodies> that picture was in 2004
26:36 <MrMobodies> I collected many other stuff since then
27:09 <Halcyon> I would love to see your collection. I'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to vintage computing collections.
27:27 <MrMobodies> I'll test it, I have a camera you can look at it, invite you to the KVM to mess about with
27:37 <MrMobodies> good things is I am not alone
27:46 <Ampera> Let me actually take a new picture of my desk area, since I've refactored it a bit
27:48 <Ampera> standby
28:09 <MrMobodies> kid in a store like candy
28:28 <MrMobodies> and I have spent many years buying cheap things from bootsales but I would never spend a lot on them at the time
28:39 <MrMobodies> ohh *things cheaply
30:23 <MrMobodies> also some of the stuff came out of my school
30:46 <MrMobodies> they were going to dump they are just some old ISA video cards, Ide and floppy controllers and a few 386 boards
30:56 <Halcyon> I should clean my office desk. I need to scan documents and have no room to set up my scanner
30:59 <MrMobodies> some of them had to be thrown out due to the leaky Nicad battery
31:27 <Halcyon> Yeh that was very common
31:28 <MrMobodies> that I failed to remove years earlier
31:36 <Ampera> It's still a good bit of a mess, but https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/691096455976321034/IMG_20200321_212849.jpg
31:43 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/691096531020808263/IMG_20200321_212928.jpg
33:21 <MrMobodies> I like that tall tower witht he LG drive and the AMD cpu badge on it
33:35 <Ampera> aye, that's my dual 7800GTX 512 machine
33:57 <Ampera> It has a 590SLI chipset, but I really wanted nForce 4 SLI with an FX machine
34:04 <Ampera> but I was never able to find a stable 939 board
35:52 <MrMobodies> the one before the 680I
37:35 <MrMobodies> I once had a Nforce 2
37:44 <MrMobodies> I think it an Asus A7N8X delux
38:05 <MrMobodies> that had Barton AMD cpu in but that wasvery unstable
38:19 <MrMobodies> good Rubycon caps on it and it was okay when it worked
39:10 <MrMobodies> but I have a Gigabyte 680i board (Intel Duo) which seems to be stable
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39:32 <MrMobodies> My room is in a terrible state I brought the wooden posts
41:35 <Halcyon> Ampera: What's the old CRT under the desk and the box laying beside it?
42:51 <Halcyon> I'm assuming it's for the C64?
44:12 <MrMobodies> I like your telephoen
44:51 <MrMobodies> oooh wow, that black machine a power switch, AT power supply
45:50 <MrMobodies> I mean the one with the power switch hanging out
46:39 <MrMobodies> here's my workshop, at the moment in a sorry state
46:42 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/dRW5rdS
47:16 <MrMobodies> most of my screens are upstairs but they are 4:3 ones
47:22 <Ampera> Halcyon, commodore monitor and diskette drive
47:26 <Halcyon> Ah nice
47:36 <Ampera> also note my desk phone
50:13 <MrMobodies> is that an AT power supply in that black case under the microphone?
50:22 <MrMobodies> 8 pin two blacks in the middle
51:10 <Ampera> aye
51:16 <Ampera> That's my 486
53:13 <MrMobodies> Just noticed on the far right to the curtain is that a gun or a tripod?
53:25 <Ampera> Those are guns
54:21 <MrMobodies> the only gun I got is for pigeons on my roof but they'll long gone
54:43 <MrMobodies> I notice the DLINK? router
55:09 <Ampera> TP-Link switch
55:18 <Ampera> and the guns are BB guns, one also does pellets
56:04 <MrMobodies> that looks a bit like Dell keyboard and I hear they are nice with the deep press keys
56:20 <Ampera> That's a Ducky One with MX Greens
59:39 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/GkNGEOS
59:56 <MrMobodies> that looks like one of the most tidiest cases I have seen so far
00:30 <MrMobodies> I mean the cables
01:09 <MrMobodies> I can see all those caps shine on the board
01:23 <MrMobodies> gigabyte motherboard?
03:45 <Ampera> Yeah that's a Gigabyte board
03:55 <Ampera> MrMobodies, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/689224274946293775/IMG_20200316_172951.jpg
09:10 <MrMobodies> two graphics card for the four displays
10:24 <Ampera> MrMobodies, no actually that 970 is no longer in there
10:42 <Ampera> that was an experiment with IOMMU stuff and virtualization that failed, all displays are on the 1660Ti
10:43 <MrMobodies> oh the micrphone looks good on that stand where
11:03 <Ampera> Did you notice the Mac?
12:20 <steve30> I just had a nice sausage sandwich
12:58 <MrMobodies> is that the one with the two cpus attached to the heatsink?
13:20 <Ampera> MrMobodies, aye it's a dual CPU machine
13:23 <MrMobodies> on separate boards and they have a kind of cooler Cooloigy
13:29 <MrMobodies> the mac
13:34 <Ampera> aye
13:45 <Ampera> The machine under the switch is my server
13:59 <Ampera> the white machine is a Pentium 120 and the machine to the left of it is a P3-450
14:36 <MrMobodies> I think I have some spare slot 1 cpus
14:48 <MrMobodies> I think 650mhz quite a few
15:36 <MrMobodies> I got them next to nothing they are sitting in the box. Maybe when I post that Voodoo 2 if it works I'll put one of those in there
15:37 <Ampera> Neat
18:43 <MrMobodies> This is the one I took apart many years ago
18:44 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/z1iyeOc
18:51 <MrMobodies> it had a fault
19:19 <Ampera> cor
19:23 <Ampera> that's one of the water cooled ones
19:24 <Ampera> this is not
19:51 <MrMobodies> oh that one you have is air cooled
19:57 <Ampera> yeah, still dual CPU
20:16 <Ampera> I bought the thing for 60 bucks, along with an iBook G4 for 40
20:25 <Ampera> honestly that thing probably has more than that in Aluminum in it.
20:26 <MrMobodies> bargain
20:46 <Ampera> It's got 4GB of RAM too, it even works
23:43 <MrMobodies> there was once I had a portable ide hard drive, a parallel one.
24:15 <MrMobodies> it use to have 32x Matshita cdrom drive in there put I mounted a Seagate 300mb drive for work.
24:52 <MrMobodies> I was only 14 but one day on my way to school, parked in a motel in and someone broke in and stole the bag
25:12 <MrMobodies> they're trying get the tower from the drivers seat but they what was ontop
25:58 <MrMobodies> the laptop in there was I think a Toshiba 2100CY 486 25mhz 16mb of ram
26:03 <MrMobodies> but it had a broken screen
26:28 <MrMobodies> I was more upset about the drive and the collection of pointers that I stole from the PC World
40:40 <steve30> I think i'll go back to bed
40:45 <MrMobodies> I found an IBM 8595 down the bootsale for £4 in 2001
40:47 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/Z5d3emT
41:58 <MrMobodies> I brought a network to go with it some years later and put in AMD 100Mhz?
50:48 <MrMobodies> DT 360 screen pen
50:50 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/opQz3qS
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39:04 <Mixermic> Hello everyone
39:59 <Mixermic> Does anyone know of a way to parallel 2 non isolated dc power supplies together?
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57:26 <hsn> place them adjasent to each other
57:38 <hsn> adjacent
57:55 <hsn> both same angle
00:33 <hsn> im not sure but maybe diode for both ?
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18:03 <Halcyon> I totally found a place that stocks heaps of pasta
18:10 <Halcyon> No lining up at the supermarket for me
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19:14 <lbrywatcher> hello
19:20 <Halcyon> Hey there lbrywatcher
20:03 <lbrywatcher> have someone experience with a Tenma 72-7730A. i can get one for 90 euro new and i have no experciences with this brand
20:21 <Halcyon> Not I
20:42 <lbrywatcher> i have search some what online and i have found that it is a rebrand brand from fernell
21:02 <Halcyon> Didn't Dave do some teardowns on Tenma gear?
25:27 <lbrywatcher> @Halcyon, i can't found a video from dave (of some one else) about this perticuler model
25:47 <Halcyon> It wasn't that particular model
26:06 <Halcyon> But in general, I think he looks at some Tenma products
26:58 <lbrywatcher> @Halcyon, eevblog hase even not one video about tenma on youtube or lbry
27:51 <Halcyon> It may have been part of another video, I'm really not sure
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30:52 <Halcyon> Hey DogWomble
30:57 <DogWomble> hey
31:05 <Halcyon> What's doing?
31:12 <DogWomble> not much, you?
31:13 <lbrywatcher> Hello @DogWomble
31:29 <DogWomble> hey :)
38:13 <Halcyon> Not a whole lot
38:19 <Halcyon> Tired, probably going to get an early night
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46:04 <AndrevS> morning
46:32 <JesusHChrist> Greetings my child.
51:12 <Halcyon> Heh
52:08 <JesusHChrist> It's awfully quiet down there upon the Earth. Where is everyone?
52:30 <Halcyon> Probably panic buying toilet paper and flour
53:43 <JesusHChrist> I don't remember my Dad telling me about sending locusts or anything. Let me quickly check my email...
57:12 <JesusHChrist> OMFG. I take a few weeks off and this is what you do to the planet? I sent Greta down there to tell you what to do. Did you even listen to her?
03:10 <JesusHChrist> What happened to Kobe? And who cast fire upon Australia?
03:18 <Halcyon> Fire?
03:37 <Halcyon> We've just had weeks of rain
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11:49 <JesusHChrist> Donald's still in office?? What happened to the impeachment?
12:11 <Halcyon> Impeachment doesn't equal ejection from office
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15:30 <JesusHChrist> Harry and Megan have left the EU? And Bunnings have stopped selling sausages? Humanity has failed.
18:08 <JesusHChrist> I need a drink. BRB. Gonna turn some water into beer. Any maybe watch the football.
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45:48 <hsn93> so after pcb assembly no need for earth straps ? https://youtu.be/nm57ypljoXw?t=269
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00:00 <Lemon> sup thugs
10:47 <steve30> hi
11:18 <steve30> I've been nice and cosy in bed, but I think its time to get up now
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55:09 <Ysjoelfir> hello
03:07 <steve30> hello
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27:24 <rust_collector> hello
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27:43 <rust_collector> ...
28:41 <steve30> We seem to have a bot shortage
29:07 <rust_collector> yes
30:37 <rust_collector> I guess we can do as we like now. party party
31:13 <steve30> In this month's spam: "Congrats - FREE Breast Pump For You! "
31:35 <rust_collector> oooh, I can see some uses for that
32:08 <rust_collector> what did they want you to do, to get it?
33:32 <steve30> Provide your insurance information to discover breast pump coverage.
33:38 <steve30> Aeroflow verifies coverage and submits required paperwork
33:44 <steve30> Pick a Top of the Line Breast Pump.
33:51 <steve30> Congrats! You’re receiving a brand new breast pump!
33:59 <rust_collector> WOW!
34:54 <rust_collector> do you see any specs? how large breasts would you get, if you used it every day?
35:20 <steve30> no idea
39:47 <rust_collector> meh. wait for a better offer, where you can see before and after pics
48:26 <rust_collector> it is a very nice day here. but the sun is going down, so...
48:44 <rust_collector> in 20 minutes, it will be too cold to bother going outside
48:58 <steve30> its nice here today
51:57 <hsn93> salut to every1
52:32 <rust_collector> greetings to yourself
52:47 <hsn93> \.^_^./
53:00 <rust_collector> is that a pokemon?
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