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00:02:04 <Lemon> well idk
00:02:08 <Lemon> maybe a gpsdo is better
00:02:14 <Lemon> even if it lose a bit of the cool factor
00:02:18 <Lemon> and its cheaper
00:02:41 <Lemon> and easier
00:04:48 <K> gpsdo comes from sattelite, which should have a very precise clock
00:05:09 <Lemon> yeah it should be more 'accurate' as it corrects itself
00:05:20 <K> with gpsdo the worry would be about jitter in receiver circuits
00:06:33 <K> and maybe nonlinearities in agc of receiver (?)
00:06:48 <K> just guessing here, dunno for reals
00:06:53 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/NEW-10MHz-Sinwave-PLL-GPSDO-GPS-DISCIPLINED-OSCILLATOR-adapter-GPS-ANT/262038924752?hash=item3d02bcadd0:g:ZmsAAOSwkvFafGgr
00:06:56 <Lemon> something like this
00:07:05 <Lemon> down to miliseconds it should be more than enough
00:07:57 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Trimble-72345-GPSDO-10MHz-1PPS-OCXO-GPS-Disciplined-Oscillator-w-shield/312280023292?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dac246e5177c748a9a1b007b4479fe614%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D262038924752%26itm%3D312280023292%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675
00:07:57 <Lemon> .c100005.m1851
00:08:01 <Lemon> theres those that might be better
00:09:10 <Lemon> symmetricom, trimble etc are known brand atleast
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00:32:56 <Lemon> hmmm is it bad for test leads to be stacked in each others ?
00:33:08 <Lemon> I was thinking about that, maybe it can make them fit lose
00:46:03 <Ysjoelfir> well, you shouldn't stack to many. Usually I only stack three at most. for storage I don't like them hanging on their contacts
00:46:32 <Lemon> yeah I just undid them all
00:46:37 <Lemon> I got my cheap crocodiles today !
00:46:48 <Lemon> they are reaaaallly cheapos but will do the job until I get better ones
00:47:11 <Lemon> also im going to play a bit with a shift register and a display :>
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00:51:55 <Lemon> so lets see what I have with usb
00:52:02 <Lemon> too lazy to use serial and find the right cable
00:52:38 <Lemon> many nano's
00:52:47 <Lemon> couple launchpads or watever they are called
00:53:00 <Lemon> some black bois
00:54:01 <Lemon> guess a nano would do the trick heh
01:00:54 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
01:27:25 <Lemon> hmmm do I really need 1 resistor per segment ?
01:27:34 <Lemon> I think I managed to make it work with one resistor per display once
01:30:33 <Lemon> because shit, I need 17 displays
01:30:36 <Lemon> thats a lot of resistors
01:35:21 <Lemon> hmmm ok I see why
01:35:42 <Lemon> so I need 119 resistors of the same kind
01:37:06 <DHess_US> Current mirrors!
01:37:52 <Lemon> thats 13 euros of resistors !
01:38:14 <Lemon> well could be less but I dont want to wait 1 month
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01:57:00 <Lemon> if my 7 seg display act like this :
01:57:08 <Lemon> (with a dmm continuity test)
01:57:19 <Lemon> black probe on pin 5, red on any other one light each segment
01:57:30 <Lemon> its a common cathode right ?
02:02:08 <DHess_US> When I have laid out displays, the resistors made it easy to jump traces.
02:02:48 <Lemon> yeah for medium ones its fine but big ones I cant see traces
02:03:36 <Lemon> so for example
02:03:49 <Lemon> I put the pin 1 on ground and pin 3 on vcc
02:03:52 <Lemon> it lights the segment
02:03:59 <Lemon> that meants its common cathode ?
02:04:05 <Lemon> I keep switching it up
02:25:08 <Lemon> I dont get it
02:25:22 <Lemon> I tried multiple times with tutos, they say its either ground or vcc on pin 3/8
02:25:27 <Lemon> on mines, nothin
02:25:41 <Lemon> but if I put ground on 1, and vcc on any other, each seg light up one by one
02:26:58 <Lemon> I assume its ac ommon cathode right ?
02:27:02 <Lemon> please send help
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03:24:42 <Lemonizer> hrmm
03:24:47 <Lemonizer> anyone alive ?
03:43:52 <K> "you rang?!"
03:47:19 <steve30> hello
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04:09:18 <Ysjoelfir> hey all
04:13:48 <K> ahoy
04:33:07 * T3sl4 hugs Ysjoelfir
04:35:51 <Ysjoelfir> yay :)
04:35:57 * Ysjoelfir hugs T3sl4 back
04:41:07 * Ampera hugs Ysjoelfir and T3sl4 simultaneously
04:41:17 <T3sl4> \o/
04:41:25 <Ysjoelfir> yay! :D
04:41:31 <Ysjoelfir> Grouphuggerage!
04:41:53 <Ampera> I only have around 4 more hours of work, then it's the weekend
04:42:35 * Ysjoelfir has birthday vacation until 10th of march <3
04:43:37 <T3sl4> woot
04:43:58 <Ysjoelfir> yes :)
04:44:11 <Ysjoelfir> I left work at 1500 today
04:44:30 <Ampera> then you have forced sick leave until the apocalypse lapses, or the rapture occurs
04:44:36 <Ampera> whichever comes first
04:45:28 <Ysjoelfir> well, the factory is actually preparing for that.
04:48:16 <Ampera> yeah for all 0.0006% of the german population that has coronavirus
04:48:55 <Ysjoelfir> I think it is slightly more, but yeah. I agree :D
04:49:23 <Ampera> no, it's around 500 people atm
04:49:52 <Ampera> 0.000006 of the german population is 500 people or thereabouts
04:51:30 <Ysjoelfir> I heard about a bit more, around.... 770 or whatever? but even that wouldn't be nothing
04:51:34 <Ysjoelfir> *weould
04:51:36 <Ysjoelfir> would
04:51:38 <Ysjoelfir> not wouldn't
04:52:08 <Ampera> going off the current wikipedia figures, which are about as accurate as anything else imo
04:52:36 <Ysjoelfir> even 1000 would be near to nothing... so.... :D
04:52:55 <Ampera> There are presently around 40,000 people in the world who have the virus
04:53:19 <Ampera> Even if everyone in the world who has it were Germans, it would still be almost nobody
04:54:46 <Ampera> There are probably more people on earth with active strains of influenza, faced with a higher fatality rate, than there are with COVID-19
04:55:29 <Ysjoelfir> try to tell that to all the panicking idiots :D
04:55:59 <Ampera> I want my pinebook pro dammit! I don't care that china's got the sniffles
04:56:09 <Ysjoelfir> whats that?
04:56:13 <Ampera> or an absolutely miniscule fraction of a single region of china
04:56:23 <Ampera> it's a really cool 200$ laptop from Pine64, and I'm itching to buy it
04:56:37 <Ampera> but they're out of stock until supply chain nonsense gets resolved
04:57:02 <Ampera> check the specs, they're pretty good for that cheap
04:57:10 <K> wasnt pine64 stuff crap on the software side?
04:57:18 <Ysjoelfir> I looked it up, at least it looks great for the price
04:57:27 <Ampera> I just lapsed my entire playlist
04:58:25 <Ampera> back to 4 Seasons - Beggin
04:58:51 <Ysjoelfir> already?
04:59:53 <K> what is that, a playlist for ants?
05:00:03 <Ysjoelfir> xD
05:00:15 <rust_collector> good home from work time
05:00:16 <Ysjoelfir> I guess its just a greatly reduced one with only stuff one likes :)
05:02:19 <Ysjoelfir> At least I have in my music collection way to much shit I don't realy like.
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05:07:48 <Ampera> No, it's this playlist https://ampera.net/cdn/musiclist.html
05:22:43 <K> Buy this domain
05:22:46 <K> The owner of ampera.net is offering it for sale for an asking price of 1800 EUR!
05:22:48 <K> huh?
05:23:40 <rust_collector> K, you have to stop clicking all the things, and you won't get all that crap
05:24:37 <K> i cant help it
05:24:38 <rust_collector> you could also try to add an "a" in there in a random position
05:25:28 <Ampera> er
05:25:31 <Ampera> amperaa.net
05:25:34 <Ampera> lol
05:25:41 <Ampera> https://amperaa.net/cdn/musiclist.html
05:25:44 <Ampera> I wish I had ampera.net
05:26:26 <Lemonizer> so I spend a fucking hour to find why one segment wasnt lighting up
05:26:28 <Lemonizer> guess what ?
05:26:34 <K> it dead?
05:26:37 <Ampera> it's a lemon?
05:26:39 <Lemonizer> one of the ouputs of a shift register was borked
05:26:46 <K> it dead!
05:26:47 <Lemonizer> whats the probability of that
05:26:52 <rust_collector> 7
05:28:05 <rust_collector> Ampera, I notice you need more sabaton on your list
05:28:49 <Ampera> I might, I indeed might
05:28:55 <Ampera> that or more ELO
05:29:12 <rust_collector> could be both, now that you mention it
05:30:04 <Ampera> more in general would be nice
05:31:30 <rust_collector> and I do not see "flower shower" by focus there.... hrrrmmmm
05:32:04 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITyV6pl3-aY
05:41:06 <Ampera> hocus pocus isn't there either
05:41:12 <Ampera> good catch, I'll try to remind myself
05:41:14 <rust_collector> meh
05:41:33 <rust_collector> they have so much else. hocus pocus is getting boring
05:55:05 <Lemonizer> lets try to add a shift register in series
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05:58:08 <Lemonizer> I wonder whats the limit of this
05:58:17 <Lemonizer> how many shift registers an arduino micro can handle
05:58:17 <rust_collector> of what?
05:58:23 <Lemonizer> the clock must be a problem at one moment
06:14:52 <Ysjoelfir> nah. you can cascade them more or less infinitely
06:15:22 <Lemonizer> the slow arduino uC clock wont lag behind with too many ?
06:15:33 <Lemonizer> I just finished to wire a second one for test !
06:15:36 <Lemonizer> thats a lot of jumpers lol
06:16:03 <Ysjoelfir> why should it? when you cascade them you can push many many digits through them. your refresh rate will just go down
06:16:24 <Lemonizer> hmmm do you think it will be fast enough to show miliseconds ?
06:16:36 <Lemonizer> I plan to use 8 for time and 9 for months year etc
06:20:25 <Lemonizer> what I dont understand
06:20:44 <Lemonizer> is how do I state the second 7 seg display, on the second shift register ?
06:21:05 <Ysjoelfir> I have no idea if that rough calculation is correct, but.... 1ms is 1kHz. the shift register is 8 bit so you will need 8 ticks to shove the data into it and one additional tick to activate the latches. so for at least 1ms refresh rate using 8 shift registers you would need a clock of at least
06:21:09 <Ysjoelfir> ~80kHz
06:21:20 <Ysjoelfir> I'm pretty sure that you have that
06:22:03 <Lemonizer> ho perfect then !
06:22:13 <Lemonizer> I have a basic code right now to draw a 0
06:22:24 <Lemonizer> so as I wired a second display and register, now I get two 0 :>
06:22:34 <Lemonizer> how can I for example define one or the other shift register ?
06:22:37 <rust_collector> oo
06:22:39 <Lemonizer> as they are wired on the same pin
06:22:47 <Ysjoelfir> as I said - no idea if that is correct. it's just how I would think it can be roughly estimated.
06:23:07 <Ysjoelfir> you can use the chip select, enable, or latch pins (whatever the chip in use has)
06:23:50 <Lemonizer> yeah but, for example, I have both registers on 3 pins of the arduino; data, clock and latch
06:24:06 <Lemonizer> how do I say : second register, lactchpin low
06:24:19 <Lemonizer> because if I write simply latchpin low, both will get low
06:24:38 <Ysjoelfir> connect the second latch pin to a second arduino gpio?^^
06:25:45 <Lemonizer> hoo ok so I can stack the data and clock pins on the same pin, but for the latch I need another pin alright
06:25:51 <Lemonizer> lets try that !
06:26:54 <Ysjoelfir> wait
06:27:13 <Ysjoelfir> stacking the data pins would mean that both registers always contain the same data
06:28:04 <Ysjoelfir> so you COULD in theory write data for register one, latch it, write data for register two, latch it again, go back to start and repeat
06:28:04 <Lemonizer> ha so I need a separate pin for that too ?
06:28:08 <Ysjoelfir> no
06:28:14 <Ysjoelfir> the registers have a serial out
06:28:25 <Ysjoelfir> just connect data in of register 2 to serial out of register one
06:28:47 <Ysjoelfir> then just send 16 bits of data. the 8 to many will be pushed into the second register
06:29:20 <Ysjoelfir> that's what i meant by cascading them
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06:29:51 <Lemonizer> right now I have the input of one connected to the ouput of the first
06:30:11 <Lemonizer> im getting a 0 and random shit
06:30:14 <Lemonizer> so I guess its kinda right ? xD
06:30:34 <Lemonizer> I have a hard time wrapping my head around it
06:31:51 <Ysjoelfir> well, just immagine it as a snake of 1/0s. it gets into the first register, drops out of the other side and gets into the second one.
06:33:29 <Lemonizer> yeah I kinda visualize it but its the latch, data etc problem I dont understand
06:34:05 <Ysjoelfir> just ignore the latch then :) tie it hard to activate it
06:34:18 <Ysjoelfir> then start to learn how the data stuff works
06:34:38 <rust_collector> I think you just stuff enough data into the first one, so it overflows into the next one, and the next one... and the next one
06:34:46 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
06:34:55 <Lemonizer> yeah I got that ! but to code it thats another story :>
06:34:56 <rust_collector> and in your case, the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and the next one
06:35:07 <Lemonizer> and I cant find tha tnice table with numbers in exponent of 2 codes
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06:35:15 <Lemonizer> like 63 for a 0, that for a 1 etc
06:35:58 <Ysjoelfir> then write it yourself^^ you just have to do it 10 times
06:36:35 <rust_collector> or maybe use a pic, and not a damn atmel theing
06:40:01 <Ysjoelfir> nonono. don't use pic.
06:40:22 <rust_collector> no, they make too much sense and stuff
06:40:30 <Ysjoelfir> :P
06:40:39 <Ysjoelfir> I never tried pics, but I'm sure they are crap!
06:40:45 <rust_collector> yes!
06:41:31 <rust_collector> I never tried them either, but I think someone said he should use an at-thing yesterday, so I had to write that
06:41:40 <rust_collector> I would just use an st device
06:41:47 <Ysjoelfir> "someone" :P
06:42:01 <rust_collector> someone with no name
06:42:35 <Ysjoelfir> like that you mean? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEHBTjIYejE
06:42:35 <rust_collector> it could be one of "a"s bots
06:43:17 <Ysjoelfir> I'm still annoyed that I can't use my atmel JTAG ICE to program pics. or get some ice.
06:43:34 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQRRI9goFg
06:43:37 <rust_collector> like that
06:46:15 <Ysjoelfir> xD
06:47:39 <rust_collector> hey, it is friday
06:48:12 <Ysjoelfir> yep. vacation time!
06:48:18 <rust_collector> it sort of sucks to have an earbud
06:48:28 <rust_collector> not even two,
06:48:40 <Ysjoelfir> let me correct you
06:48:42 <Ysjoelfir> earbuds suck
06:48:48 <Lemonizer> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ssuhrid/arduino-seven-segment-using-4094-Library/master/extras/1234.png
06:48:53 <Lemonizer> you see on this for example
06:49:12 <Lemonizer> they connect data of the first one to the arduino, ok, then the second one on the 'QS' of the first register
06:49:16 <Lemonizer> whats that QS ?
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06:49:32 <rust_collector> hah!
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06:49:41 <Ysjoelfir> serial out, as I suggested
06:49:42 <Lemon> jesus
06:49:50 <Lemon> ok I wasnt sure thanks
06:49:59 <Lemon> why links makes 32321 lines seriously xD
06:50:02 <Lemon> it instakicked me
06:51:05 <Lemon> the problem is that the pinout is always different from various sources
06:51:07 <Lemon> for the 595
06:51:14 <Lemon> pin 14 is the data, ok
06:51:26 <Lemon> but SER is also pin 14
06:51:28 <Lemon> on other sources
06:51:47 <Ysjoelfir> just look at the specific datasheet from your manufacturer
06:51:51 <Lemon> theres pin 9 named QH or Q7S, 'daisychaining ouput'
06:52:00 <Lemon> if only I could find it :/
06:52:31 <Lemon> ho wait nvm
06:52:38 <Lemon> gahhhhh I hate me
06:53:15 <Ysjoelfir> That's ok, we all do that sometimes
06:54:00 <rust_collector> at least I do not hate you very often
06:54:10 <rust_collector> maybe once each hour or so
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06:56:47 <Lemon> ok I think I got it right, wiring speaking
06:56:56 <Lemon> now for the code ! to write a 0 on the first display, I used this
06:56:58 <Lemon> digitalWrite(latchPin, LOW);
06:56:58 <Lemon> shiftOut(dataPin, clockPin, MSBFIRST, 63);
06:56:58 <Lemon> digitalWrite(latchPin, HIGH);
06:58:01 <Lemon> lets say I want to write a 2 on the second one, which is the 91 value
06:58:30 <rust_collector> then write 2, then 0?
06:58:54 <Lemon> yeah but how ? I simply dont get it, they are both on the same pins, except for data, one is on the serial of the other
06:58:58 <Lemon> I cant wrap my head around
06:59:06 <Lemon> I need to find an example, to study it
06:59:35 <Ysjoelfir> use that shiftout twice
06:59:47 <Ysjoelfir> then do the latch thing
06:59:49 <Ysjoelfir> done :)
07:00:06 <Lemon> buuutt whhattt isss theee latchhh thinnnggg
07:00:19 <Ysjoelfir> and when you are donw with that, try that in "real" C, not in arduino language thing
07:00:25 <Ysjoelfir> [20:56:58] digitalWrite(latchPin, HIGH);
07:00:31 <Ysjoelfir> that is the latch thing
07:01:28 <Lemon> yeah I get that but
07:01:39 <Lemon> how to specify the second register ?
07:01:42 <Lemon> I dont get it, really
07:02:39 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how are you
07:03:28 <ThunderSqueak> ok
07:03:37 * Ampera hugs ThunderSqueak
07:04:11 <ThunderSqueak> and yourself?
07:04:14 * ThunderSqueak gives a hug back.
07:05:14 <Ampera> I'm watching the damn clock
07:05:17 <Ampera> waiting for this day to end
07:05:35 <Ysjoelfir> you don'T have to, since they are in parallel?
07:06:44 <Lemon> im going to smoke a cig
07:06:46 <Lemon> and think about it
07:06:53 <Lemon> I really, really cant wrap my head aound it
07:07:03 <Lemon> dont do drugs
07:07:14 <Lemon> thats at those moment that I feel it did some serious damages
07:07:24 <rust_collector> heh
07:07:37 <Ysjoelfir> pretty happy that I never did
07:07:52 <rust_collector> you should be
07:09:36 <rust_collector> not that I have much experience either, but I am pretty sure the little bit i did has not helped much
07:11:57 <Lemon> ok lets try something
07:13:00 <rust_collector> no! it is not good for you!
07:16:58 <rust_collector> thaaaank yooou omran
07:18:09 <Ysjoelfir> i mean, seriously... I just wanted to download a freaking 3d model of a relais
07:18:21 <Ysjoelfir> had to register TWICE to get there and still don't have it
07:19:57 <rust_collector> they have to have a guy look at your account, and approve it, then send you a confirmation in the mail
07:20:26 <rust_collector> and you have to find a way to clock "ok" on tat
07:21:05 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
07:23:02 <rust_collector> ok, let me try something
07:23:47 <Lemon> well no I cant find a solution
07:24:42 <rust_collector> what does your hands look like?
07:25:02 <Lemon> hands
07:26:20 <rust_collector> https://imgur.com/a/LKZB1cf
07:26:25 <rust_collector> what is wrong here?
07:27:19 <Lemon> the hp mouse ?
07:27:34 <rust_collector> no, that one is pretty much perfect
07:27:52 <rust_collector> except that it is baby sizes
07:29:03 <rust_collector> I wonder if I am getting fat fingers. not like big, just fat
07:30:41 <Ysjoelfir> that could be the case
07:32:21 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NXWhrLlYlqDK2slalr-ah9lPb-pqQgbo/view?usp=sharing
07:33:41 <Lemon> so if I want a 0 and 2
07:33:46 <Lemon> and need to use shiftout twice ?
07:34:11 <Lemon> set latch low, shiftout twice, latch high >?
07:34:22 <rust_collector> are you out of cigarettes already?
07:34:32 <Lemon> no but seriously
07:34:39 <Lemon> I hate getting stuck on such easy things like this
07:35:06 <rust_collector> it is not easy, until you know how. I have no clue, so good luck mr sir
07:36:13 <Lemon> digitalWrite(latchPin, LOW);
07:36:14 <Lemon> shiftOut(dataPin, clockPin, MSBFIRST, 91);
07:36:14 <Lemon> shiftOut(dataPin, clockPin, MSBFIRST, 63);
07:36:14 <Lemon> digitalWrite(latchPin, HIGH);
07:36:26 <Lemon> as it writes only 8 bits at a time
07:36:49 <Lemon> ha yeah like this it simply overwrites the first 8 bytes
07:37:01 <Lemon> thats what I dont understand
07:37:05 <rust_collector> but if you ploink out 8 bits, then 8 more bits, does the stuff in #1 move to #2?
07:37:05 <Ysjoelfir> one advice I always like to give is: forget that arduino language thing. it may be easier, but at the same time it doesn't help to understand what you are actually doing, as you see. learn proper C.
07:37:26 <Lemon> well thats not really the language thats the logic im not getting :/
07:37:56 <Ysjoelfir> I'm pretty sure its the logic
07:38:03 <Ysjoelfir> language
07:38:04 <Ysjoelfir> not logic
07:38:12 <Ysjoelfir> how can you know what shiftout does?
07:38:23 <Ysjoelfir> it LOOKS like it just shifts 8 bits out
07:38:25 <Ysjoelfir> but does it?
07:38:33 <Lemon> yeah ive checked before
07:38:40 <Lemon> ive read multiple things online about it
07:38:47 <Lemon> but I dont get the logic at all
07:38:53 <Lemon> that latch thingy, nope
07:39:02 <Ysjoelfir> and does it anything more? like, assert some pins to make the register push the data to the output?
07:39:29 <Lemon> I dont think so
07:39:33 <Lemon> I dont know
07:39:36 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
07:39:37 <rust_collector> hmm, let me see... uhm, I think I know a reasonable thing about shift registers
07:41:03 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1SzTGZ2l1c
07:41:15 <rust_collector> not much about c, but, the reat
07:41:17 <Lemon> ive seen this one yes
07:41:18 <rust_collector> rest
07:41:21 <rust_collector> okeh
07:41:34 <Lemon> im pretty sure the wiring is good
07:41:39 <Lemon> I understand this
07:41:46 <Lemon> but how to use the latch, nope
07:42:01 <rust_collector> yes, but he is using a switch, and a timer too
07:42:11 <rust_collector> what does those do?
07:43:35 <Ysjoelfir> so now I had to create a third account to get that fucking relay 3d model
07:43:37 <Lemon> the 555 is there to give a clock to switch leds one after another
07:43:41 <Lemon> from what I get
07:44:17 <rust_collector> how does it get from led to led?
07:45:18 <Lemon> I guess it turns the last bit on and the first bit low and so on ?
07:45:47 <Lemon> turn 2 on, 1 off, 3 on, 2 off etc
07:45:52 <Lemon> starting with all off
07:46:07 <Lemon> every X time
07:46:25 <Lemon> I have two registers, so 16 bits
07:46:34 <Lemon> the thing is, I dont know how to write on bits 8 to 16
07:47:52 <rust_collector> but if you put a 0 on the first
07:48:11 <rust_collector> then put an 8 on the first...
07:48:17 <rust_collector> what happens?
07:48:48 <Lemon> it overwrites ?
07:49:03 <rust_collector> ok. tha tis not ideal, lol
07:49:25 <Lemon> well idk im just guessing at that stage honestly
07:49:29 <Lemon> hence those question marks
07:49:58 <rust_collector> well, try it? I believe it should push the 0 to the second one
07:50:14 <rust_collector> but I am an idiot developing fat fingers
07:52:26 <Ysjoelfir> I would just write the bits into an array and use a loop pushing that to the data pin while toggling the clock
07:52:44 <Ysjoelfir> pretty failsafe method imho
07:53:11 <Lemon> yes I think thats what they are doing
07:53:17 <Lemon> but I dont know how to do it properly
07:53:22 <Lemon> I cant just copy paste shit you know
07:53:30 <Lemon> and those loops, those damned loops
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> for (int i=1; 1<lengthof(array); i++)
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> {
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> PORTA |= (1 << PA2);
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> if array[i] == 1
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> {
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> PORTA |= (1 << PA1);
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> }
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> else
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> {
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> PORTA &= ~(1 << PA1);
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> PORTA &= ~(1 << PA2);
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> _delay_msec(1);
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> }
07:58:37 <Ysjoelfir> more or less that. Pin 1 on Port A would be the data pin, Pin 2 the clock pin.
07:59:56 <Ysjoelfir> way better to understand what it does than some arbitrary function someone wrote ^^
08:00:47 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure it could be enhanced in many ways and there are errors on mass, but I'm no programmer, I can just do basic stuff.
08:00:59 <Ampera> what in tarnation
08:01:09 <Lemon> well im not too interested in coding either
08:01:09 <Ampera> is this /spam/ I see?
08:01:17 <Ampera> you know what we do to spammers in these parts, right Ysjoelfir
08:01:17 <Lemon> what is that PORTA ?
08:01:20 * Ampera kisses Ysjoelfir
08:01:38 <Ysjoelfir> xD
08:01:39 <rust_collector> Ampera, he just wants access to Lemons cmd
08:01:56 * Ysjoelfir hugs Ampera
08:02:22 <Ysjoelfir> PORTA is the register of the... A-Port of the ATMega ^^
08:02:48 <Lemon> and by the A port you mean the data port ?
08:03:02 <Lemon> like, on the atmega currently theres data, clock and latch connected
08:03:03 <Lemon> nothing else
08:03:06 <Ysjoelfir> no. I mean the A-Port per the datasheet definition
08:03:38 <Ysjoelfir> an µIC has Ports and pins. a Port is, to say it easy, a functional group of pins that can do a certain task
08:04:13 <Ampera> gee wizz, I hope programming my PineTime is gonna be this fun
08:04:32 <Lemon> I think I'll simply stop for tonight :>
08:04:37 <rust_collector> and you have to program it in java!
08:04:42 <Lemon> its getting worse, now I doubt the meaning of life
08:04:46 <Ysjoelfir> xD
08:05:00 <Ampera> rust_collector, I wish, I'm doing it in C
08:05:08 <rust_collector> who said there was a meaning to life?
08:05:17 <Ysjoelfir> 42.
08:05:18 <Ampera> Life is a sad pretzel someone farted on
08:05:19 <rust_collector> hey, you can try c
08:05:30 <Ampera> EEVBlog, what is the meaning of it all?
08:05:39 <Ampera> OI, Ya daft cunt
08:05:45 <Ampera> EEVBlog, what is the meaning of life
08:05:46 <EEVBlog> 42.
08:05:48 <Ampera> there we go
08:05:52 <Ysjoelfir> does it have coarse, sweet mustard on the pretzel?
08:05:58 <Ysjoelfir> or mayonnause
08:06:00 <rust_collector> it takes a bit to calculate that
08:06:04 <Ampera> mustard straight from the ass of god
08:06:09 <Ysjoelfir> and does it have a Leberkäse aside?
08:06:15 Quit: ThunderSqueak ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
08:06:22 <Ysjoelfir> MPPPPPPPP
08:06:25 <Ysjoelfir> *NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
08:06:26 <Ampera> shut up Ysjoelfir your're making me hungry
08:06:29 <Ysjoelfir> Squeaky left!
08:06:37 <Ampera> lol
08:06:51 <Ysjoelfir> I AM hungry. That is why.
08:07:56 <Lemon> I should stick to buying test equipement and playing with it :>
08:09:11 <rust_collector> yeah, use your test thingies to see what it does
08:09:29 <Lemon> afterall, I still learn some stuff, and I have fun !
08:09:52 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pulse-Generator-HP-8007A-/232242337677#shpCntId
08:09:57 <Lemon> this thing looks really fun
08:10:29 <rust_collector> super high voltage pulse generator... have fun
08:10:46 <Lemon> not high voltage
08:10:52 <Ysjoelfir> O M R O N, I hate you. WHY do they make the drawings in bottom view, not like it is usually done in top view!?
08:10:55 <rust_collector> nothing lower than 28kv
08:15:31 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-8562A-22-GHz-Spectrum-Analyzer-Calibrated-and-TESTED-Warranty-Agilent/313015397825?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Df4add338f242493daddcf67e5e14f66f%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D333146441145%26itm%3D313015397825%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p204767
08:15:31 <Lemon> 5.c100005.m1851
08:15:42 <Lemon> thats a really high and wide bw !
08:15:47 <Lemon> 1khz to 22ghz
08:16:44 <rust_collector> yeah, why would you need that?
08:17:10 <Lemon> ho just for stuff and things, you know
08:17:19 <rust_collector> no, I have no idea, really
08:17:41 <Ampera> Only 40-ish minutes until I can leave
08:19:24 <Lemon> the hp pulse gen can go down to 2.5ns, and got a 2.5v variable ouput
08:19:42 <rust_collector> move to j a-pan, and be well into the weekend
08:20:23 <rust_collector> yes, lots of things can do lots of things. at different speeds and stuff
08:20:55 <rust_collector> make an arduino based pulse generator thingie
08:21:33 <Lemon> I want the hp !!!
08:21:37 <Lemon> its big, nice specs and old
08:21:41 <Lemon> ticks every boxes !
08:21:53 <rust_collector> yes, and completely useless for you
08:22:00 <rust_collector> ok, get it then
08:24:57 <Lemon> ofc ! but who knows maybe I'll find it some use
08:25:09 <rust_collector> no
08:25:18 <rust_collector> did you buy it yet?
08:25:24 <Lemon> nahh
08:25:29 <rust_collector> well?
08:26:39 <Lemon> I want it, doesnt mean I can buy it :>
08:26:46 <Lemon> its still a lot of money
08:26:55 <Lemon> well I could
08:27:09 <Lemon> but I dont spend more than 20 euros on a blink like this
08:27:13 <rust_collector> but you don't need it
08:27:16 <Lemon> for hundreds I think about it for many days
08:27:37 <Lemon> yeahhh but you know what it is, it seems I kinda like test equipement, and I like to collect things, to play with them...
08:28:00 <rust_collector> yes, but get some of the crap you might really find some use for
08:29:09 <rust_collector> I like lathes. I have had offers of free lathes, in pretty good condition. I still do not have a lathe, because they are usually fucking huge, and I do not have a barn
08:31:29 <Lemon> yeah I know but I just like to get stuff, when I really never use it I sell it, but I try to always get stuff for low prices or nice prices, that when I want to sell it I dont lose money
08:32:21 <rust_collector> mmhmm, nice idea
08:32:50 <rust_collector> get it cheap enough that you can pay for shipping...
08:33:32 <Lemon> yeah that pulse gen is a tad high for me, I'd pay that amount for something I really want tho
08:33:42 <Lemon> but I want a pulse gen, not REALLY want one
08:33:56 <Lemon> if it was 100 euros with shipping I'd get it I think
08:34:16 <rust_collector> how different it is to your signal generator?
08:34:31 <rust_collector> I mean, can that thing do pulses?
08:34:49 <Lemon> it generates square pulses and theres many options like delay, witdh etc that I dont have
08:35:24 <Lemon> I have a 30mhz waveform/sweep gen
08:35:29 <Lemon> it does nice things for sure
08:36:36 <Lemon> the next big thing id like to get is a nice digital scope, like a tektronix tds 540 or alike
08:36:48 <Lemon> with 400-500mhz bw, 1-2gs/s
08:37:17 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera!
08:37:21 <Ysjoelfir> Half time!
08:37:57 <Lemon> but yeah for example if something I like is 150, I like to see what I could get for that money instead
08:38:04 <Lemon> sometimes 2 or 3 devices is better than one
08:38:11 <Lemon> funnier, better you name it
08:39:38 <Lemon> I want a resistor standard too, or maybe build a simple one
08:39:45 <Lemon> that would be nice to see how accurate my stuff is
08:39:48 <Lemon> the Vref helped
08:40:40 <Lemon> now I know that I can trust the keithley, the fluke, the baby fluke (for what it is), I still cant trust the systron sadly, I need to fix it, I forgot to check the tek scope/dmm, etc
08:40:58 <Lemon> the fluke can measure resistors down to 10uOhms which is nice, I need to see if its trustable
08:41:16 <Lemon> a 1 ohm 0.01% should be enough
08:41:24 <Lemon> along with a 100 and 100k maybe
08:42:13 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, way ahead of you, I'm already goofing off for the rest of the minutes I have
08:48:20 <Lemon> I still kinda want a VTVM
08:50:30 <Halcyon> Morning all
08:52:03 <Ampera> Halcyon!
08:52:09 <Ampera> I'm at work and about to pack up
08:53:06 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon
08:55:02 <Halcyon> I'm about to go get a haircut
08:55:06 <Halcyon> I'll be back in an hour or so
08:55:10 <rust_collector> Hi Halcyon
08:55:28 <Lemon> bonsoir !
08:57:15 <Lemon> hey rust_collector
08:57:34 <Lemon> please help me find some nice cheap resistor standards on ebay or somewhere else that ships to france for not too mcuh :>
08:58:24 <rust_collector> uhm. ok
08:59:05 <Lemon> :D
08:59:16 <Lemon> and if you find some neat test equipement, that works too
08:59:48 <Lemon> I told you that I received those cheap croco clips today ?
08:59:55 <rust_collector> https://www.ietlabs.com/prs-370-programmable-decade-resistor-1.html
08:59:57 <rust_collector> nope
09:00:15 <Lemon> ietlabs
09:00:18 <Lemon> without looking
09:00:20 <Lemon> 500 bucks + ?
09:00:36 <rust_collector> probably more, as it says ask for quote
09:00:40 <Lemon> ho you went all in !
09:00:58 <Lemon> lets go guidline
09:01:03 <Lemon> they make some insane shit
09:01:13 <Lemon> like, lcr meters using up to 50kamps
09:01:18 <Lemon> 10.5 digits mofos
09:01:19 <rust_collector> looks like your old boxes, or an 80s stereo
09:01:49 <Lemon> so yeah those cheapo croco are meh but they will do the job
09:01:58 <Lemon> I dont want to spend 50 bucks on digikey yet
09:03:02 <rust_collector> maybe you meat, but this meatest
09:03:05 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Meatest-MTE-RP-10M-100M-1G-10G-Laboratory-Resistance-Standards-Resistor-/293182952120
09:03:27 <Lemon> lol nice name
09:03:32 <Lemon> idk whats up with the price tho
09:03:50 <rust_collector> look at the other versions
09:04:13 <Lemon> theres some old flukes not far from that price
09:04:16 <Lemon> that are like ton better
09:04:30 <rust_collector> https://www.ietlabs.com/prs-370-programmable-decade-resistor-1.html
09:04:40 <rust_collector> THAT! that is the look I like
09:04:49 <Lemon> again ?
09:05:18 <rust_collector> always. I dont think I have linked that one?
09:06:12 <Lemon> yes
09:06:20 <Lemon> thats the first one you linked
09:06:27 <Lemon> or maybe you mispasted that one
09:06:31 <rust_collector> oh
09:07:09 <rust_collector> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-Meter-HP-435A/232683177504?_trkparms=aid%3D555021%26algo%3DPL.SIMRVI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D225074%26meid%3D0389dcb8f09a49fc9054eb4e070e1cad%26pid%3D100752%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dpf%26sd%3D293182952120%26itm%3D232683177504%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplRVIAMLv5WebWithPLRVIOnTopCombiner&_trksid=p2047675.c100752.m1982
09:07:33 <Lemon> yeah I saw it, I want a VTVM that looks like this
09:07:55 <rust_collector> https://www.petervis.com/electronics/resistor_symbol/resistor_symbol/resistor-symbol-iec.gif
09:11:26 <rust_collector> nah, this shit is too expensive
09:11:38 <Lemon> damn yes
09:14:07 <rust_collector> https://www.finn.no/bap/forsale/ad.html?finnkode=79864343
09:14:20 <rust_collector> never used
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09:14:37 <Lemon> what is this
09:14:50 <rust_collector> a transformer
09:15:10 <Lemon> thats neat
09:15:45 <rust_collector> 12 to 15v dc out
09:16:43 <rust_collector> I guess it is like a high power bench supply, with a very limited range
09:16:44 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-HEWLETT-PACKARD-400F-AC-VOLTMETER-6/361967192330?hash=item5446ed090a:g:ZTgAAOSwCMFaQiMu
09:16:55 <Lemon> “ok,range switch needs ceeamnrs”
09:17:09 <Lemon> idk if I have some ceearmnrs left sadly
09:17:33 <rust_collector> For bid is Kenwood model TK-790H high power VHF transceiver.
09:17:35 <rust_collector> ??
09:18:37 <Lemon> ha nvm its an ac voltmeter
09:19:02 <rust_collector> I see the pic...
09:19:05 <rust_collector> but
09:29:09 <Lemon> a 0.005% resistor cost 30 euros approx
09:29:15 <Lemon> but the problem is I need it calibrated
09:29:53 <rust_collector> I guess you do, even if you get an old assembled in a box one
09:37:40 <Lemon> https://www.mouser.fr/ProductDetail/71-Z201T10K000VB
09:37:46 <Lemon> those are affordable and quite nice
09:37:50 <Lemon> according to the datasheet
09:39:58 <rust_collector> affordable is very relative... how many do you need?
09:40:26 <Lemon> well theres a 100 and 10k ohm avalaible
09:40:37 <Lemon> one of each would allow me to do some comparisons and calibrate some ranges
09:41:00 <rust_collector> ok, if you just need 2, that is an option, Iguess
09:44:05 <Lemon> but again I'll need someone who can calibrate them
09:44:16 <Lemon> at least to a total of 7 digits
09:47:57 <Lemon> that 100 ohms can be between 100.005 and 999.995
09:48:18 <Lemon> well time to sleep I guess
09:48:27 <Lemon> see you tommorow bud
09:48:38 <rust_collector> I do not think you would calibrate them, you would buy 30 of them, and see if one is where you want it?
09:48:47 <rust_collector> Ok, good night
09:48:53 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Connection closed
10:22:00 <Ysjoelfir> the gf started a documentary.
10:22:13 <Ysjoelfir> about food in finmark
10:23:02 <rust_collector> uuh
10:23:13 <rust_collector> she has some weird interests
10:23:33 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, sometimes^^
10:23:47 <Ysjoelfir> let's see what you guys eat up there
10:24:12 <Ysjoelfir> right now it looks like everyone there owns a small boat and always eats fish and crabs
10:24:31 <rust_collector> up there, they have fish, fried fish, boiled fish, dried fish, fresh fish, wet fish. uhm seaweed
10:24:53 <rust_collector> if it is in the right season, they might have a potato
10:26:12 <rust_collector> you have 3.... no 4 kinds of people there, the boat people, the deer people, the skidoo people, and the tourists
10:26:47 <rust_collector> reindeer is not bad food
10:27:19 <rust_collector> it has to be cheap, because we had that a lot when I was even younger
10:30:47 <Ysjoelfir> raindeer is tasty. more or less a delicacy here
10:32:29 <rust_collector> we used to get it... uhm, it was sliced thin, sort of like you butchered it with a cheese slicer. just small flakes
10:38:25 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds very tasty :)
10:39:59 <rust_collector> iIrc, we used to fry it up a little bit, and dump it into some kind of gravy, and let it simmer forever.
10:43:00 <Ysjoelfir> you make my mouth water
10:43:08 <rust_collector> eew
10:43:22 <Ysjoelfir> I have made some disgusting shit right now.
10:43:28 <rust_collector> oh nice!
10:43:38 <rust_collector> shit with corn
10:44:41 <rust_collector> weird change of subject. That is ok
10:47:35 <Ysjoelfir> not this kind of shit
10:47:44 <Ysjoelfir> it was supposed to be tasty
10:47:51 <rust_collector> eew
10:48:13 <rust_collector> ok, what did you start with?
10:48:37 <steve30> hi
10:48:55 <rust_collector> I wonder if some people would make better food, if they had block diagrams
10:49:07 <rust_collector> hi steve30
10:49:38 <Ysjoelfir> noodles, bacon, onion and some cheese.
10:49:46 <Ysjoelfir> hiello steve30
10:51:12 <rust_collector> I am almost sure block diagrams would be good, in cook books
10:51:39 <Ysjoelfir> I agree
10:54:21 <Ysjoelfir> Do you go fishing sometimes, rusty?
10:54:51 <rust_collector> not in many years
10:54:59 <rust_collector> I used to
10:56:20 <Ysjoelfir> when we went to norge I tried it. I was to stupid I guess
10:57:03 <Ysjoelfir> there was another guy sitting there, with just a string, a hook and a knife
10:57:11 <Ysjoelfir> he pulled one fish after the other out of that sea
10:57:12 <rust_collector> yea, you should just buy a kebab, and go to the woods and get drunk, like the locals
10:57:29 <Ysjoelfir> I was standing there for hours, nothing
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10:58:31 <rust_collector> you should try going a bit further to the north, and in the real sea, not some lake. it is hard to not catch anything up there
10:58:40 <rust_collector> hmm, let me see
11:03:14 <rust_collector> my aunt has been renting a house for the summer in this place, I have been there twice. I hear they built a road there now. https://www.google.no/maps/place/7748+S%C3%A6tervik/@64.4017779,10.4578434,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x460d36be42c0a201:0x3aa7f63a6d862c06!8m2!3d64.3715225!4d10.5690618?hl=no
11:04:32 <rust_collector> I did like the shitty weather they had there some times.
11:05:41 <rust_collector> the locals there do not eat mackerel. which is great for me, because I do
11:06:25 <Ysjoelfir> I do to. So I should go there :D
11:07:24 <rust_collector> yes, you should. on a nice day, it is nice. if you go on a bad day, you will be sitting inside, hoping the windows won't break, lol
11:10:49 <Ysjoelfir> That also sounds pretty nice to be honest
11:11:36 <Ysjoelfir> the gf was like "why are you looking at a map of norway? Oh, i see trondheim! I want to go there with you, and also to bergen!
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11:17:56 <rust_collector> I sort of like trondheim. it is a very compact city, you can walk anywhere
11:18:44 <rust_collector> I do not like bergen, it is just a void between 7 mountains, full of chinese people
11:20:01 <rust_collector> I use the word city, but oslo is the only place in norway that can be called a real city. the other places is more like good sized villages
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11:22:07 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, we noticed that when we visited kristiansand and stavangar
11:22:34 <Ysjoelfir> well, when we drove through stavangar, trying to leave it as fast as possible while not dieing in one of the twenty million roundabouts
11:22:47 <Ysjoelfir> was there a roundabout sale once?
11:23:16 <rust_collector> yes, we even have our own local one here. it has been on tv and all
11:23:35 <rust_collector> it it the smallest and cheapest roundabout in norway
11:24:38 <rust_collector> they put up roundabout signs, and painted a dot in the middle of a... uuh, what is it called where 2 roads cross?
11:25:07 <Ysjoelfir> well... erm... that thing.
11:26:32 <rust_collector> https://www.nrk.no/vestfoldogtelemark/billig_-liten-og-rund-attraksjon-1.7953030
11:38:46 <Ysjoelfir> lol?^^
11:39:10 <Ysjoelfir> but.. why? :D
11:39:28 <rust_collector> yes
11:57:19 <Halcyon> Back
11:57:32 <rust_collector> WOW!
12:01:10 <Ysjoelfir> that was a rather long haircut^^
12:01:27 <Halcyon> I ended up going shopping, then I stopped off at the garden place to get a new indoor pot
12:01:31 <Halcyon> Then I went to get more wine :)
12:01:40 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
12:02:01 <rust_collector> and when he got home, he remembered he was getting his hair cut
12:02:48 <Halcyon> Oh no, that was the first thing I did. I love the head massage
12:03:07 <rust_collector> hmm, good for you
12:04:18 <Halcyon> :)
12:05:35 <Ysjoelfir> eevblog time
12:05:35 <EEVBlog> Ah shoot, Doc! We've ended up at 12:05 Sydney time.
12:05:47 <Ysjoelfir> damn, it's 2 at night here :D
12:05:52 <Halcyon> Wine time :D
12:07:36 <rust_collector> heh. so, now it is kid #3s birthday. I should make a quick drawing, so she gets something
12:09:06 <rust_collector> oooorrrrrr... maybe I should wait until it is 5, and run into her room, and pretend she is late for school, and drive her there
12:10:36 <Ysjoelfir> haha, that would be nice. plase make a video of that XD
12:11:58 <rust_collector> I think the comments I would get when she comes back home would need some kind of bleeping
12:12:06 <rust_collector> I like the idea
12:12:25 <rust_collector> nothing like being at school at 5:30 on a saturday
12:12:25 <Halcyon> T3sl4, you there?
12:12:59 <T3sl4> buh
12:13:19 <Halcyon> What I meant to ask you yesterday...
12:13:43 <Halcyon> I think I need to replace caps on a motherboard which is refusing to POST. I've had this issue before on this boad intermittently but it's finally now all the time.
12:14:06 <Halcyon> I can't see anything visually wrong (from the top) but is that something *all* caps eventually do?
12:14:21 <Halcyon> Would it be worth pre-emptively just changing them all?
12:15:06 <Halcyon> They would be approaching 22+ years old
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12:23:25 * Ampera slaps Halcyon
12:23:57 <Ampera> Bad caps can do a variety of things. If they are visually bad, definitely go for it
12:24:12 <Ampera> even still, if that's your P3 board, then that's right about the time of the capacitor plague(s)
12:26:07 <Halcyon> Yeh it's my PIII board
12:26:20 <Halcyon> They aren't visibly blown out or anything but I suspect they've just dried out
12:26:30 <Halcyon> They used Sanyo caps so not exactly a shit brand
12:26:59 <Halcyon> Also, I bought a bottle of Big Mac sauce. Making burgers tonight :) Nom
12:27:37 <Ampera> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/310478241989263371/685639167274909721/IMG_20200306_190449.jpg Halcyon
12:27:40 <Ampera> this is/was my dinner
12:28:16 <Ampera> That's honey ham, really nice roast beef, sliced sweet capocollo, mayo, and stone ground dijon on pretzel buns
12:28:42 <Halcyon> They look delicious
12:28:43 <Ysjoelfir> that looks way better than my dinner
12:28:48 <Halcyon> I love seeing photos of your meat Ampera
12:29:35 <Halcyon> *sigh* looks like I'll have to pull this board out. *grumbles*
12:30:19 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you dinner didn't cost 15 bucks :P
12:30:27 <Ampera> but I got paid today so I'm celebrating (is my excuse)
12:30:33 <Halcyon> YAY!
12:31:06 <Halcyon> I also have cause to celebrate
12:31:35 * Halcyon clinks glasses with Ampera
12:32:56 <Ysjoelfir> thats true^^
12:35:39 <Ampera> what's your cause
12:36:15 <Halcyon> I've saved up $20k+ in my bank account and paid off all my student loans (to date). My goal is to have at least $40k in my account
12:36:28 <Halcyon> I've been trying to be extra good with money
12:36:36 <Ampera> Sweet
12:36:52 <Halcyon> Although not at the expense of buying toys and wine etc...
12:36:52 <Ampera> I've been hoping to be very good with my money right off the bat, so I've been doing very well to allocate it to things I consider important
12:37:00 <Ampera> and to minimize on costs that many get carried away with, like food
12:37:05 <Halcyon> Might as well be happy, can't take money with you when you die
12:37:20 <Ampera> It's a balance, like any other vice.
12:37:27 <Halcyon> Yup
12:37:41 <Ampera> I have a dedicated, do what you feel, budget, which I can use for random costs
12:37:51 <Halcyon> It's important to have that
12:37:58 <Ampera> but then I specifically allocate money for expenses like loans, new technology, phone and food bills
12:37:59 <Halcyon> That's how I bought my two Voodoo2 cards
12:38:25 <Ampera> I also have more interesting budgets, like having a 50$/paycheck fund for new tech I otherwise wouldn't buy.
12:38:38 <Ampera> the current goal being a Pinebook Pro (perhaps with a nice NVMe SSD)
12:38:58 <Halcyon> My goal is to save up for a Lenovo P-series workstation replacement
12:39:11 <Halcyon> But I'm looking at about $4500-$5000 for one spec'd how I want it
12:39:46 <Ampera> I have around 1200 saved up for computing in general, but I'm still unsure as to how to allocate it
12:39:59 <Ampera> as I get really really finicky when it comes to putting significant money into tech
12:40:03 <Ampera> or often even insignificant money
12:40:09 <Ampera> I want to go as far as I possibly can with my money.
12:41:00 <Halcyon> I want to replace my spinning disks in my NAS with SSD
12:41:08 <Halcyon> But I'm waiting until prices come down some more
12:41:25 <Ampera> COVID-19's making sure that's not gonna be easy for you
12:41:42 <Halcyon> In what way?
12:41:55 <Ampera> Supply chain disruptions, Hynix factory setbacks, general chaos
12:41:59 <Halcyon> Meh
12:42:05 <Ampera> that puts back research too, and prices will rise.
12:42:07 <Halcyon> COVID-19 will be short lived in my opinion
12:42:16 <Halcyon> It's no where near as serious as the media makes it out to be
12:42:17 <Ampera> Of course, but its financial effects will last a good few months
12:42:25 <Halcyon> Yeh few months is fine
12:42:31 <Halcyon> I'm talking about the next 12-24 months
12:43:53 <Ampera> I also need to look into money for a new primary laptop/portable solution
12:43:56 <Ampera> but that's an entire other can of fish
12:44:33 <Halcyon> In other news, I found out today they are running fibre in the next suburb up from me even though they already have Fibre to the Node
12:44:45 <Halcyon> I am hoping that they've realised it was a mistake and upgrading this area
12:45:03 <Ampera> ask them to drop you a line :P
12:45:11 <Halcyon> Well, I have a plan
12:45:16 <Ampera> uh oh
12:45:37 <Halcyon> Next door can't get any faster than something like 5 Mbps down, which is well below the minimum guaranteed speed
12:45:55 <Halcyon> If we smash them with faults, they might bring fibre to the street as part of their corrective plan
12:46:00 <Halcyon> Once that happens, I can tap into that
12:52:41 <Stiff> we have fibre to our footpath, but im sticking with my satelite nbn
12:52:50 <Halcyon> Why?
12:53:17 <Stiff> ive had zero issues in 3 years, if its not broken why change
12:53:32 <Stiff> and good down speed too
12:53:36 <Halcyon> I'm surprised they even let you sign up for satellite with fibre in your street
12:53:53 <Ampera> here satellite is when for when you don't even have ADSL available in your area
12:54:03 <Ampera> as basically one step better from dial up
12:54:21 <Halcyon> ADSL is legacy, they are phasing all that shit out
12:55:05 <Stiff> yeah i dont think they originally planned to run fibre down our street
12:55:23 <Halcyon> Ah right
12:55:40 <Stiff> its only been done in the last few months
12:57:34 <Ampera> someone on craigslist is asking 175 bucks for a Socket 775 nForce 570 SLI board
12:57:55 <Ampera> on top of that, it's an elitegroup board among the worst board brands ever
12:59:32 <rust_collector> good night
13:00:23 <Halcyon> Hah what a joke
13:00:27 <Halcyon> Night rust_collector
13:00:39 <Ampera> I love seeing stupid asking prices on craigslist
13:01:22 <Halcyon> Because people are trying to cash in on the "vintage computing train"
13:01:35 <Ampera> no it's just stupid morons who don't know what shit's worth
13:01:38 <Halcyon> Even though they were still more than capable of manufacturing worthless crap back then
13:01:49 <Ampera> even within vintage computing that board is absolutely worthless
13:01:56 <Halcyon> Ye
13:01:58 <Halcyon> p
13:02:11 <Ampera> oh sweet, someone's selling their wang
13:02:59 <Halcyon> Ohhh I want a wang
13:03:15 <Halcyon> Did they ever make PC-compatibles?
13:03:23 <Ampera> no clue
13:03:29 <Ampera> I don't even know what computer it is
13:03:32 <Ampera> https://albany.craigslist.org/sys/d/albany-wang-1986-computer/7068890211.html
13:04:04 <Halcyon> If I had an old Wang, I'd play with it all the time
13:04:10 <Ampera> you are an old wang
13:04:23 <Ampera> Untested nondescript random box of somethings, I'd pay like 50 bucks for it
13:04:49 <Ampera> If it were something interesting like a VLSI-11 clone I'd jump on it in a heartbeat
13:04:54 <Ampera> but I have no clue what it is
13:05:42 <Ampera> Wang did do PC compatibles
13:06:02 <Halcyon> Oh there you go
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13:06:08 <Halcyon> Buy one so I can play with your Wang
13:06:19 <Halcyon> And make lots more smutty jokes and penis
13:06:21 <Halcyon> *about
13:07:35 <Ampera> https://www.ebay.ie/itm/Vintage-PC-S1-2-WANG-8086-computer-with-PM-004-B-TERMINAL-MONITOR-cables-WORKS-/121718865324
13:07:40 <Ampera> looks like it's just a PC compatible
13:08:15 <Ampera> er, I'd actually wonder if it is even PC compatible, it might just be DOS compatible
13:08:28 <Halcyon> You know what would be cool. "Emulate" old computers using actual hardware. In other words, capture the VGA out and stream it via the net, then have a remote keyboard/mouse interface and a microphone to pick up all the hard disk/disk drive noises.
13:09:09 <Ampera> I disagree, that sounds tedious and depressing
13:09:15 <Ampera> moreso than the hobby of legacy computing is
13:09:16 <Halcyon> Fuck you, it's a great idea
13:10:21 <Ampera> I wish you would fuck me, that sounds like fun
13:10:24 <Ampera> but until then
13:10:28 <Ampera> fuck you and your shitty ass shoes
13:14:46 <Halcyon> Hahaha
13:14:49 <Halcyon> It is fun
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13:19:59 <Halcyon> I need to set up a room for all my vintage stuff
13:20:09 <Halcyon> At the moment it's all tucked away in wardrobes
13:20:23 <Ampera> My crap is just stuffed into a crevice in my bedroom
13:20:36 <Halcyon> I'll stuff your crevice
13:20:45 <Ampera> I wish I had a crevice
13:20:50 <Halcyon> Ew
13:21:11 * Halcyon wonders if Dave02 is David Ledger?
13:21:55 <Ampera> dave's intern?
13:22:00 <Halcyon> Former
13:22:02 <Halcyon> But yes
13:22:08 <Ampera> it'd be quite strange
13:22:14 <Ampera> as iirc he came in here asking for advice on what multimeter to buy
13:22:15 <Halcyon> He's a nice guy
13:22:23 <Halcyon> Ahh then I suspect not
13:22:33 <Halcyon> Also, Dave #2 prefers "David", not Dave
13:22:46 <Ampera> there are too many davids, because that's also my name
13:23:29 <Halcyon> I thought your name was Hans?
13:24:02 <Ampera> I'm not a mole, man.
13:24:21 <Halcyon> :P
13:26:08 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMMalPGr5eo
13:26:44 <Halcyon> He like of looks like Rick Astley
13:27:09 <Ampera> he has a beautiful voice
13:27:14 <Halcyon> Yup
13:28:13 <Ampera> For some reason my voice has been really shit as of recent
13:28:17 <Ampera> it's just sounded like crap when singing
13:28:30 <Halcyon> Well, you can't help that you're American
13:28:53 <Ampera> so is Johnny Tillotson
13:28:58 <Ampera> and you just said his voice is beautiful
13:29:16 <Halcyon> Sure, but you can't attach yourself to him
13:31:22 <Ampera> Maybe I'll do a recording and show you what I mean
13:31:24 <Ampera> give me a second
13:43:31 <Ampera> blech that was awful
13:43:41 <Ampera> but I think my voice is just getting tired
13:43:53 <Ampera> because what I'll do is record like 20 takes and then hate them all, but by the end I just can't do it anymore
13:48:30 <Halcyon> Aw
13:48:34 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
13:48:46 <Halcyon> Mark is sick, I just ran him a bath
13:49:13 <gremlinz> covid19?
13:49:24 <Halcyon> Maybe
13:49:30 <gremlinz> i was thinking of getting the personalised plate
13:49:34 <gremlinz> 3.5k
13:49:38 <Halcyon> Ouch
13:49:46 <Halcyon> GRMLNZ ?
13:49:47 <Halcyon> :P
13:49:55 <gremlinz> no, COVID19
13:50:03 <Halcyon> Isn't it too long?
13:50:05 <gremlinz> no
13:50:14 <Halcyon> There you go
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17:40:40 <T3sl4> stupid cat
17:40:46 <Halcyon> Exactly
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17:50:35 <T3sl4> birb https://imgur.com/gallery/oDySOxx
17:52:57 <Halcyon> Nawwww
17:53:03 <Halcyon> He looks comfy
18:13:25 * Halcyon gives T3sl4 crabs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8PyLAbrOK8
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18:51:20 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ReSV3CCRzg
18:51:27 <Halcyon> Wow, actually a decent version of the song
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21:35:49 <Lemon> time to open the systron !
21:53:33 <Lemon> hmm icant lift the board
21:53:40 <Lemon> and theres no screws left
22:06:31 <Lemon> well I put everything back, I cant remove the board
22:06:41 <Lemon> idk why but its stuck, and I dont want to break anything
22:11:54 <Lemon> that pisses me because I really like this dmm
22:12:12 <Lemon> and im sure its a borked resistor in the 10v range divider or some shit like this that causes the offset/linearity issue
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22:49:10 <Lemon> I just received my aliexpress test leads, and honestly im quite surprised, cables are really nice, feels like silicone
22:49:14 <Lemon> connectors are alright
23:16:48 <Lemon> dedek channel ?@
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