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06:04 <rust_collector> the ice cream truck is here again. I swear I will blow that thing up some day
06:40 <rust_collector> DING DING!!!! DING DING!!! DING DING!!!!
06:45 <rust_collector> DING DING!
07:22 <coppice_> steve30: Isn't the top of the line in breast pumps a baby..... or me
15:18 <hsn93> lol, rusty, we have ones that (keeps looking at u while "ding dinging")
15:36 <hsn93> at beach
16:12 <rust_collector> arrrgh
44:57 <Lemon> ding ding
45:22 <rust_collector> boing boing
47:06 <Lemon> I glued dem heatsinks
47:17 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
47:18 <Lemon> tested others and no only those two were lose
47:22 <Lemon> others were holding fine
47:45 <Lemon> I used the same thermal pads with a tiny drop of glue at the sides that I spread manually, seems to hold well
48:07 <rust_collector> I am thinking I should turn a small cylinder shaped box and lid
48:24 <Lemon> you have a lathe?
48:37 <rust_collector> nope, but that has not stopped me before
49:09 <rust_collector> I can just clamp a drill on the edge of my bench, and use that to spin things
49:33 <Lemon> ha yeah that works too
50:30 <rust_collector> I am not too interested in woodturning. I do want a metal lathe. but now and then, wood is nice
50:51 <Lemon> I really need to make an enclosure for the variac
50:54 <Lemon> but I have nothing here to do it
52:00 <Lemon> ok lets take the 555 pulse gen on the breadboard and play with it
52:15 <Lemon> im gonna use the tek 2245 for once
59:32 <Lemon> ok all is hooked up lets try various caps at the output
59:54 <rust_collector> what caps at the output?
00:08 <Lemon> I want to try to reduce the ringing
00:13 <Lemon> by dampening it
00:41 <Lemon> hmm doesnt change shit
01:12 <Lemon> what if I put it to ground, to act as a low pass filter ?
01:15 <Lemon> if I understood it right
01:51 <rust_collector> yeah, I think you need a second part in there too?
02:02 <rust_collector> but givi it a try
03:14 <Lemon> hmm nope
03:16 <Lemon> doesnt change shit
11:54 <rust_collector> hmm, so...
16:53 <rust_collector> how fast are you running this thing?
18:49 <Ysjoelfir> did you try a resistor?
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24:31 <Lemon> I tried a resistor of 1 ohm in series with the ouput and a cap at the VCC input but nope, right now I hooked a big variable capacitor in place of a cap thats on pin 2 to ground
24:46 <Lemon> and I can delay pulses, well I can adjust the time between each of them
25:06 <Ysjoelfir> take 10k
25:11 <Ysjoelfir> put from toutput to ground
25:46 <Lemon> from output to ground ?
25:49 <Lemon> hmmm
25:55 <Lemon> ok lets try that I guess
26:46 <Lemon> but from output to ground
26:54 <Lemon> then where do I probe ? to see the pulse
27:01 <Lemon> it will make a loop no ?
27:07 <rust_collector> on the output?
27:17 <Lemon> yes but if theres a resistor from output to ground
27:21 <rust_collector> yes
27:26 <Lemon> hmmm ok well lemme try
27:26 <rust_collector> just do it
28:45 <rust_collector> the thing is that it is a resistor, not a wire, afaik, so it will make the output a bit lower, but... see what happens
29:56 <Lemon> same thing
30:26 <Ysjoelfir> then it's what dhess wrote on friday.
30:26 <rust_collector> where is your probe ground?
31:46 <Lemon> on a cap, I tried directly on the chip ground but no difference
32:19 <Lemon> variable caps are really nice thingies
32:29 <rust_collector> is the cap connected to anything, or is it in the box it came in?
33:14 <rust_collector> I dunno what you are doing, so it is pretty difficult to suggest anything. Not that I know anything anyway
33:40 <Lemon> well the cap is just a substitute to a regular small ceramic that was in the circuit at first, ringing is the same than before
33:44 <Lemon> nah but I think theres nothing to do
33:53 <Lemon> but its fun to play around
34:08 <Ysjoelfir> one question before you go on: how long does it ring and how much
34:21 <Ysjoelfir> and at which frequency
34:42 <Lemon> how long hmmmm lets see
34:46 <Lemon> im on the tek 2245 right now
35:52 <Lemon> the spike seems to be 67ns or something like this
35:59 <Lemon> from start to top, then it goes down and stabilize
36:59 <Lemon> as for frequency well I cant really tell with that scope
37:14 <Ysjoelfir> why not?
37:19 <Lemon> it doesnt show it
37:30 <Ysjoelfir> then use a friggin calcultor :D
37:41 <Lemon> I could use the counter maybe
37:42 <Ysjoelfir> t=1/f
37:44 <Lemon> ha no wait I cant
37:50 <Lemon> hmm maybe I can ?
37:58 <Lemon> its 5V max I always fear to fry something
38:07 <Lemon> if I put the attenuator to x10
38:12 <Lemon> technically its 50v max no ?
39:10 <Ysjoelfir> sure.
39:26 <Lemon> and the probe itself is on x10
39:30 <Lemon> so I dont risk anything right ?
39:48 <Lemon> I can connect the probe directly to the counter input ?
40:36 <Lemon> also theres a 50 and 1Mohm attenuator
40:39 <Lemon> ha no wait
40:41 <Lemon> not attenuator
40:47 <Lemon> I guess its input impedance
41:00 <Lemon> should I put it on 50 ohms ?
42:59 <Ysjoelfir> Use 1M.
43:06 <Lemon> ok
43:15 <Lemon> and I connect the probe directly
43:19 <Lemon> on x10 setting
43:24 <Lemon> right ?
43:36 <Lemon> but on the counter its also in x10, that means we got a x100 attenuation ?
43:45 <Lemon> so out of 9V we get 90mv ?
47:03 <Ysjoelfir> I would assume that
47:16 <Lemon> but I dont need anything else ?
47:21 <Lemon> I connect the probe directly ?
47:24 <Lemon> that seems wrong Idk why
47:37 <Ysjoelfir> then stop thinking like that :D
47:50 <Lemon> ok well lets connect it then !
48:09 <Ysjoelfir> except from current measurements measuring stuff is safe for the instrument.*
48:40 <Ysjoelfir> (* a bit exaggerated, but you get the idea)
48:43 <Lemon> alright with a gate time of 10s, we get 139,8222360 Khz
48:52 <Lemon> and it fluctuate a bit
48:57 <Lemon> in the hz range
49:13 <Ysjoelfir> so
49:15 <Lemon> wait no
49:18 <Lemon> in the khz range
50:35 <Lemon> and the variable cap makes it fluctuate
50:41 <Lemon> but weirdly
51:02 <Lemon> like at 100% or 0% its around 100-120khz and at 50% or so its 250+khz
51:34 <Ysjoelfir> so you have a ringing of 70ns while your signal needs around 3µs. that sounds about normal for a cheapo 555 square generator.
51:39 <Lemon> and if I drop the voltage, freq rises a bit
51:55 <Lemon> ok ! and theres nothing to do ? to reduce it
51:56 <Ysjoelfir> perfect: now the next task:
52:10 <Ysjoelfir> check if your counter is correct using the scope
52:24 <Lemon> how so ?
52:37 <Ysjoelfir> [16:37:29] <Ysjoelfir> then use a friggin calcultor :D
52:37 <Ysjoelfir> [16:37:41] t=1/f
53:00 <Lemon> time = 1/frequency ?
53:06 <Ysjoelfir> yes
53:12 <Lemon> ok so lemme plug back on the scope the probe
54:16 <Lemon> haaa wait
54:25 <Lemon> its from one pulse to another
54:26 <Lemon> right ?
54:43 <Lemon> I can measure that, im dumb
54:52 <Ysjoelfir> I do not like looking from pulse to pulse. thats way to hard.
54:54 <Ysjoelfir> well
54:55 <Lemon> the scope got cursors for that, I get 146.6khz
54:58 <Lemon> so thats about right
54:58 <Ysjoelfir> not hard in that way
55:24 <Ysjoelfir> I personally prefer to use the zero crossings as a reference, not the peaks
55:30 <Ysjoelfir> but both are correct
56:19 <Lemon> ha I went from the start of a peak to another start of a peak
56:32 <Lemon> but its hard to measure it, as we hit the limit of the display
56:44 <Lemon> on another div setting I can see only one pulse
56:46 <Lemon> but yeah its right
56:58 <Lemon> I got to walk the doggo ! thanks for the tips, I leanrt things !! :D
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36:58 <Lemon> am back
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51:08 <rust_collector> how many hz is your dog?
52:25 <rust_collector> i made a round piece of firewood, as a test
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55:02 <Ysjoelfir> to test the frequency of the dog?
55:19 <rust_collector> exactly
55:54 <rust_collector> it uses a hall effect sensor, and I taped 34 magnets on the dog
56:24 <Lemon> try to measure the dog's resonance frequency
57:12 <rust_collector> meh, I don't care about that stuff. you can mess with your .00000000xx measurements
57:35 <rust_collector> as long as it is within 1/4 of a dog length....
57:37 <Lemon> I only do 0.0000000000000000XX nowadays
00:35 <rust_collector> why would I waste nice meth on a dog anyway?
12:42 <Lemon> heh why not
12:51 <Lemon> ok I need to see what old laptop is alive
18:00 <rust_collector> they all are
53:03 <rust_collector> good night
07:45 <Lemon> yessssssss
07:56 <Lemon> I found a toshibal satellite pro, and the power brick that comes with it !
07:58 <Lemon> and it workssss
08:13 <Lemon> 48mb of memroy ! waddup
08:28 <Lemon> it boots on volkov commander v4
08:41 <Lemon> it even got a usb port ! what-the-fuck-up !
11:07 <Lemon> annnnnd I realize my dos abilities are quite limited
15:15 <Ysjoelfir> :P
15:19 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 rust_collector
15:24 * Ysjoelfir is doing his taxes
18:56 <Lemon> ok Kai ! I got my old computer, running ! but now what, do you think it can handle a system like win 98 or XP ? is there something like labview or anything I can install on it ? do I need to go bare programming to talk with my instruments ? (I dont have the gpib cable yet, im just preparing stuff :> )
19:13 <Lemon> 48mb of ram, a nice pentium mmx ! :P
19:29 <Lemon> I remember it from when I was realllly young
23:16 <Lemon> its such a nice machine
23:20 <Lemon> lots of IO !
23:28 <Lemon> and it got a usb port, so its perfect !
24:03 <Ysjoelfir> afaik labview (which needs a much more potent hardware :D) has a gpib VI. But I never tried. other than that, there are many different software, like the 7470 (google 7470 gpib) or EZGPIB. try what you like the most :)
24:26 <Lemon> arf yes im looking at it
24:33 <Lemon> maybe its a tasd too old
25:02 <Ysjoelfir> the other software will work just fine I assume
25:28 <Ysjoelfir> labview isn't neccessary, but the oppinions differ very strongly here
26:02 <Lemon> well I really dont know shit in that area
26:19 <Lemon> I thought 'well the youngest piece of gear im gonna use is the tds 540 thats from 93' or something'#
26:36 <Lemon> the laptop is from what, 98 ?
26:48 <Ysjoelfir> I had a Labview expert course at university. it was very interesting and fun to play with the software, but it didn't deliver that much for me that I couldn't do with other (free) software for that I would not have to learn a new programming... "language" for :)
27:23 <Ysjoelfir> I would try the laptop and a small, lightweight gpib software. should work
27:25 <Lemon> hmmm yes thats what I thought, some says python is great for that
27:32 <Ysjoelfir> it is
27:36 <Lemon> maybe its time to learn it ?
27:56 <Ysjoelfir> python is pretty simple and straightforward and there is a ton of libraries for it
29:04 <Lemon> and I thought, using a computer of the same era should be easier no ?
29:11 <Lemon> less complications by emulating old shit
29:15 <Lemon> I dont really know its a guess
29:45 <Ysjoelfir> it would definitely help when you eg. use a serial to gpib converter.
30:09 <Lemon> well im gonna use a gpib to usb :>
30:20 <Lemon> the agilent one, remember ? I ended up buying it :>
30:29 <Lemon> this laptop got a usb 1.0 port xD
30:34 <Lemon> thats pretty nice honestly
30:55 <Ysjoelfir> nice, how much?
31:27 <Lemon> well if you include shipping (which I paid like 25 euros for it, as I didnt want to wait 2 months) it was somewhere like a hundred euros total
31:38 <Lemon> and 3 cables gpib stackables
31:43 <Lemon> add 40 for those
31:48 <Lemon> so thats def correct
32:19 <Lemon> wait in total I paid 135 for everything
32:27 <Lemon> the cable alone was 68 euros
32:34 <Lemon> and yes like 25 of shipping
40:53 <Lemon> I wonder if I should install win 98
45:07 <Lemon> hmmm I fear its a tad too old for comfort honestly
48:50 <Lemon> aff the agilent gpib usb needs a win xp minimum, for the librarie suite
49:49 <Lemon> lemme see what I have in laptop a tad more recent
54:17 <Ysjoelfir> meh. too bad
54:20 <Lemon> I found a cursty eeepc 1005HA
54:25 <Lemon> lets see if I have a brick for that one
59:47 <Ysjoelfir> i hate those. had one once
00:13 <Lemon> lol ! I just found an dirty tek probe ! 200Mhz one :o
03:22 <Lemon> ho If ound a second one but the tip is broken
05:29 <Ysjoelfir> solder a thin nail to it
13:07 <Lemon> hmm looking at the construction I doubt its possible
13:11 <Lemon> but well I'll see later
13:16 <Lemon> I havent found the brick for the eeepc
13:23 <Lemon> well you know what I'll use my workstation
13:29 <Lemon> I mean its made for that kind of things afterall
13:38 <Lemon> I'll use a VM if it doesnt work on win 10
15:03 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Sonde-Tektronix-P6139B-500MHz/164128416329?hash=item2636d0e249:g:ancAAOSwgGJeRUC2
15:15 <Lemon> lol if its not the shadiest probe I ever saw, I dont know what im talking about
28:18 <Lemon> I think Im going to cancel the purchase of the probe, that I bought for 72 euros with shipping from the french guy
28:23 <Lemon> he dont answer, im going to ask a refund
28:37 <Lemon> some chinese guys are selling a few for 53.5 euros
28:39 <Lemon> which is really low
28:43 <Lemon> im taking one there
29:41 <Lemon> hmmmm wait a second
29:44 <Lemon> the font seems weird
34:19 <Lemon> hmmmm seems theres multiple revisions with different fonts
34:24 <Lemon> thats hard to tell if theres fakes now
35:59 <Ysjoelfir> didn't you just find some probes? :X
36:22 <Lemon> yeah but remember I wanted a pair of P6139A for my tds 540
36:30 <Lemon> I already have one, and I want a second one :>
36:39 <Lemon> I found one but the dude isnt sending it, its been a week now ...
43:06 <Lemon> somestimes i'd like to have a signal generator able to ouput a high freq like 500Mhz + to test probes, scope bandwith etc
44:35 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Tektronix-P6139A-500Mhz-10M-8-0pF-10x-Passive-Probe-TDS3000-TDS500-Oscilloscope/402160697756?hash=item5da2a5419c:g:TzgAAOxyoA1RQUth
44:42 <Lemon> thats a nice deal
49:36 <Ysjoelfir> maybe? :D
50:16 <Ysjoelfir> I never bought scope probes, except from the cheap chinese ones to resell
51:04 <Lemon> to resell ? :o
51:14 <Ysjoelfir> yes. sure.
51:52 <Lemon> and you made a nice buck on those ?
51:59 <Lemon> or it was to sell scopes with them ?
52:14 <Ysjoelfir> you won't believe how many people are happy to pay more if they don't need to wait 3 months
52:18 <Ysjoelfir> both
52:28 <Lemon> yeah im part of those people lol
52:36 <Lemon> especially for items that cost more than a few bucks
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39:00 <T3sl4> https://i.imgur.com/BZCS1k1.jpg
44:41 <Lemon> hmmm I dont understand this one
44:57 <Lemon> is it some kind of sound the sentend makes ?
45:05 <Lemon> that sounds like another word ?
45:09 <Lemon> sentence
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29:00 <T3sl4> Lemon: yes, "caesar salad"
29:48 <Lemon> hooo ok :P
06:15 <DHess_US> https://gunfreezone.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/pizza-corona-virus.png
11:53 <Lemon> I wonder why spectrum analyzers are so expensive
27:09 <DHess_US> They are complicated and require a lot of specialized knowledge to design and build.
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16:38 <hsn93> https://theguideliverpool.com/the-word-covidiot-is-now-listed-in-the-urban-dictionary-to-describe-stockpilers/
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37:31 <hsn93> hello there, Ysjoelfir!
38:47 <Ysjoelfir> hello hsn93
39:28 <hsn93> are u familier with "WAGO" ?
39:38 <hsn93> connectors
41:33 <Ysjoelfir> not all of them, but I have used and still use quite some of them as they are pretty great. why?=
41:43 <hsn93> im wondering
41:50 <hsn93> why digikey doesnt offer them
42:18 <hsn93> u know (source from one supplier)
48:24 <Ysjoelfir> I assume digikey didn't get prices low enough
03:09 <Ysjoelfir> So I got a monitor on load from work for home office. nice one, lenovo, QHD, 27". looks great with it's nearly rimless design
04:56 <Ysjoelfir> Like https://mam.avides.com/3/9/9/4061659006993_5ee1a55a-8208-3273-9429-ce5d7b4a0ad6_596x1060.jpeg
05:28 <Ysjoelfir> but: when they do a rimless design, WHY THE FUCK don't you put a display in there that goes to the edge of the rim?! https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V34cyJQP19uqtNZLVMzji4cbPtcYI3Pc/view?usp=sharing
33:51 <hsn93> u think i know what is "rimless" ?
33:52 <hsn93> :P
34:52 <Ysjoelfir> :P
35:02 <Ysjoelfir> it doesn't have any plastic around the display^^
35:04 <hsn93> is this "panel light type"?
35:07 <Ysjoelfir> at least they claim that
35:47 <Ysjoelfir> no, it's just the mechanical construction of the case. it's supposed to have no visible border
36:03 <Ysjoelfir> like the old displays with several centimeters of plastic around the screen :D
36:29 <hsn93> yes
36:53 <Ysjoelfir> i guess borderless is more common? idk
37:15 <hsn93> i mean the backlight
37:54 <hsn93> its called Near-Edgeless
37:55 <hsn93> :P
38:28 <hsn93> to prevent u swearing
38:35 <hsn93> when u discover the border
39:48 <hsn93> its actually IPS .. so no edge backlight ?
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42:09 <hsn93> Ysjoelfir, https://snipboard.io/ZQeIVH.jpg what u think ..
42:29 <hsn93> i want to put io connectors here down .. the power on right ..
42:36 <hsn93> power circuit
42:47 <hsn93> or i should change the power circuit position ?
47:04 <Ysjoelfir> aah, ok. :D yes, it'S IPS ;)
47:23 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Sammiches-halcyon?
47:52 <Ysjoelfir> I wouldn't have any worries about that
48:14 <Ysjoelfir> (the circuit repositioning, hsn93)
48:39 <hsn93> why?
48:52 <hsn93> repositioning = re routing
50:25 <Ysjoelfir> well, why should I? looks pretty ok to me to place them down there?
50:45 <hsn93> ok cool i though u mean i wouldnt worry to change position later
52:04 <Ysjoelfir> heh. no. If something has a specific position where it will fit best I try to place that as early as possible
52:30 <hsn93> J2 is power connector it has chassis pin if i connect chassis to ethernet connector chassis .. wouldnt this create ground loops / ie other device would also be connected to earth
52:55 <hsn93> what the crap :) i say words that i dont fully understand
53:31 <Halcyon> Foom
53:36 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
53:54 <hsn93> hey there, birdy
56:36 <Ysjoelfir> hey Halcyon
56:45 <Halcyon> How are things guys?
56:48 <Ysjoelfir> I would like to have a toasted sammich richt now
56:58 <Halcyon> They are the best
57:04 <Halcyon> Especially with Jalapenos :)
57:31 <Ysjoelfir> well... as ok-ish as it is possible if you think about the situation I'm in I guess. But not horrible, so it's ok.
57:47 <Ysjoelfir> I'm at home office now, trying to sort some stuff
57:58 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, jalapenos on sammich is great :)
58:08 <Ysjoelfir> sadly, there's no fucking bread in any grocery store around
58:26 * Halcyon offers Ysjoelfir some bread
58:30 <Halcyon> What about baking your own?
59:35 <Ysjoelfir> thanks :) I would, if there would be flour and yeast available x.x
06:21 <Halcyon> Naww
06:38 <Halcyon> I bought 500g of dried yeast the other day
06:41 <Halcyon> I should send you some
09:53 <hsn93> oh i love hot jalapenos
10:01 <Halcyon> They are nice with eggs
10:29 <hsn93> now my tounge is making wierd stuff cause it heared jalapenos
11:07 <hsn93> when it hears nice stuff it makes wierd feelings
11:24 <Halcyon> Hehe
11:37 <hsn93> just like when u imagine "lemon taste" .. how ur face changes..
11:47 <hsn93> lemon lemon not our lemon
11:48 <hsn93> :P
12:00 <Halcyon> I like our lemon
12:05 <Halcyon> I also like lemon lemon
12:19 <hsn93> yeah i like our lemon but i dont want to taste him xD
12:28 <Halcyon> Each to their own
14:45 <Ysjoelfir> XD
14:59 <Ysjoelfir> hm, maybe I should see if I can find dried yeast online.
21:53 <Ysjoelfir> nice! 500g for 10€
22:18 <rust_collector> evening, people
24:20 <rust_collector> it is ok, you can say things. I will just sit over here, taking notes
24:54 <Ysjoelfir> hi rust_collector
25:09 <rust_collector> hoi
25:24 <rust_collector> flour and lemon. ok
26:52 <rust_collector> so, turns out I am sick, a little bit. This will be interesting
26:54 <Ysjoelfir> I was just stupid. Some time ago, when I still had some money, I got two old style car searchlights. Now I checked them, noticing: damn, one doesn't work. opened the thing up and noticed, that it's some strange sealed bulb-reflector combination (the bulb is literally the reflector!). so no changing of the bulb. threw it in the trash. few hours later I needed my PSU again and noticed that I didn't switch the output on...
27:00 <Ysjoelfir> :O
27:05 * Ysjoelfir backs away slowly
27:27 <rust_collector> hah!
27:54 <rust_collector> sealed beam... I did not think you could find those in old barns still
28:50 <Ysjoelfir> yes, it says that on the reflector
28:55 <Ysjoelfir> was that realy a thing? Oo
29:38 <Ysjoelfir> I thought I got a very strange, untypical thing that was just cheap crap
29:49 <Ysjoelfir> and I assume it's now dead XD
31:03 <rust_collector> they were popular in the us of a, for some time, but...
31:31 <rust_collector> they pretty much quit using them 40 years ago
35:54 <Ysjoelfir> so I assume I should rather polish them up and sell them for a pretty penny then using those for... well... how much life there is left
38:51 <rust_collector> they do not tend to make much light either...
39:33 <rust_collector> find some old hella.... 3000? I think, and put a hid kit in them
40:33 <hsn93> cool this thing is open source : https://ingeniamc.com/support/everest-net
41:08 <hsn93> such nice schematics
41:09 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/lU5zrf.jpg
41:13 <hsn93> look at colors only :)
42:29 <rust_collector> both colours?
42:37 <hsn93> im going to steal that navy border color
42:42 <Ysjoelfir> I actually think about finding some rectangular lights that are specifically designed as a.... erm.... high beam light (?, the ones that you switch on to see far), as the four round ones I have mounted on my volvo right now are fog lights and mostly illumunate my hood. which is rather the opposite of what I need. also, I think a rectangular light fits better the boxy appearance of the 940.
42:44 <hsn93> greenish
43:10 <Ysjoelfir> I prefer my orangy style
43:27 <hsn93> which one ? they have orange also
43:46 <Ysjoelfir> mine. ^^ I have made it myself in my altium.
44:08 <hsn93> how they put this picture ? i put a picture and then delete it from local pc . it never load again
44:29 <rust_collector> you have fog lights on the roof?
45:18 <hsn93> woh must be mountainy place
46:56 <rust_collector> heh. mountain, lol
47:05 <Ysjoelfir> I have.
47:30 <rust_collector> well, you are fucking special, I guess
47:46 <Ysjoelfir> well, they were not intended as fog lights^^
47:56 <rust_collector> mmhmm.
50:26 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V4l7njWq0x1HKrVaLOIJ4xYQtWCbZu0w/view?usp=sharing
50:54 <rust_collector> the flu mobile
50:57 <Ysjoelfir> hsn93 - that white stuff is called snow, if you aren't familliar with that :P
51:10 <Ysjoelfir> heh. I have heard that already quite some time
51:15 <rust_collector> it is not actually cocaine, if you were wondering
51:36 <rust_collector> but sure, you CAN snort it, if you like
51:48 <hsn93> thats not foam ?
52:02 <Ysjoelfir> exactly! ragarding flu: 16th letter is P. so it's FLUPP. My Klappfix has FLOPP.
52:11 <rust_collector> I think it depends on how you define foam
52:13 <Ysjoelfir> no. its snow. cold, white stuff. pretty nice actually
52:27 <hsn93> :'(
52:42 <hsn93> never saw it in reality
53:00 <rust_collector> come visit some time.
53:27 <rust_collector> I can drive you up to some interesting looking places
53:28 <hsn93> this one is closest one to it .. i've seen : https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/children-playing-spray-foam-carnival-cuenca-ecuador-february-celebrating-little-girl-boy-which-usually-uses-173072610.jpg
53:45 <hsn93> i came to rust i believe
53:57 <Ysjoelfir> Tell me when, I'll join in too.
54:07 <hsn93> sure :P
54:20 <rust_collector> bring your swimwear
54:50 <rust_collector> january or february tends to be the best
54:54 <hsn93> https://www.instagram.com/p/BpKaRCLnuhC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link ^
55:17 <hsn93> see the first picture got my intrest .. that door has arabic word on it
55:37 <hsn93> written (technology) + (electrician in middle)
55:49 <rust_collector> mm-kay
56:09 <hsn93> this was in europe park
56:19 <hsn93> europa-park **
56:52 <hsn93> where r u frankfurt ?
57:11 <rust_collector> me?
57:42 <hsn93> you and ysjoelfir
57:56 <hsn93> rust_collector ur not in germany right?
58:14 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir is not too far from frankfurt. i am in the...halfway south of norway
59:28 <hsn93> so we bring swimwear from denemark we swim to u
59:29 <rust_collector> https://www.google.com/maps/place/3185+Skoppum/@59.383393,10.4063517,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x4646b5060da6a2bb:0x144846755fc2ccfb!8m2!3d59.3833946!4d10.4238612
59:36 <Ysjoelfir> xD
59:43 <rust_collector> deal, I will bring a towel
59:55 <hsn93> lol
00:21 <Ysjoelfir> it's actually manageable I think
00:33 <hsn93> oh then
00:36 <Ysjoelfir> but I would expect you to pick us up at lindesnes fyr
00:56 <rust_collector> my ex neighbor paddled to denmark in a canoo
01:04 <hsn93> bring 1 towel for ysjoelfir .. and me some box for my death u know we bury in hurry
01:13 <rust_collector> nah, I can not go to the bible belt
01:35 <rust_collector> bring your own damn box, use it as a boat
01:44 <Ysjoelfir> XD
02:19 <rust_collector> you bring a box, I will bury you very quickly, and at a reasonable price
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02:30 <hsn93> lol
02:33 <rust_collector> oh crap
02:36 <hsn93> hello there, lemon!
02:36 <Lemon> hello thuggers
02:43 <rust_collector> yes
02:55 <Lemon> do you see me connecting/disconnecting/connecting etc ?
03:00 <hsn93> lemon how u taste?
03:08 <Lemon> like shit I think
03:15 <rust_collector> hair and sweat
03:21 <Lemon> that
04:07 <rust_collector> so, hsn93 wants to come here, on winter vacation, to go swimming in the mountains
04:29 <Ysjoelfir> lemon, will you join in?
04:32 <hsn93> with white foam
04:45 <Lemon> I cant swim bois
04:49 <rust_collector> I promised I would bury him very quickly and all
04:53 <Ysjoelfir> we meet with hsn at frankfurt, drive to denmark, swim over to lindesnes fyr where rustcollector will wait with 1 towel and a casket
04:57 <hsn93> its ok i've got the box lemon
05:00 <rust_collector> you can sit in hsns coffin
05:04 <hsn93> wooden box
05:16 <Lemon> yasss
05:44 <rust_collector> that would be cool. a coffin with a small outboard....
06:01 <hsn93> lemon be careful there are people who died trying to save some people who dont know how to swim
06:51 <rust_collector> Just wait until you get to the bathing.... hole
07:04 <Lemon> no but fo real
07:08 <Lemon> I cant swim xd
07:18 <rust_collector> it is ok, we will tie a rope around you
07:36 <rust_collector> no swimming, you just have to get in the water
07:45 <Ysjoelfir> I float all by myself, so you can use me as a buoy
07:46 <rust_collector> if we can get down to the water, that is
08:32 <rust_collector> I was thinking we should go to trysil, they have the nicest beach in norway, in the winter
10:04 <rust_collector> and also nice bears, and wolves, but don't pet them
10:08 <Ysjoelfir> it looks pretty nice from the pictures
10:18 <rust_collector> it is pretty nice
10:29 <rust_collector> they have a very large "spark" there
11:28 <rust_collector> https://www.visitnorway.no/listings/verdens-st%C3%B8rste-spark/23997/
13:22 <rust_collector> anyway, it is just the coldest horrible but nice looking place I can think of, in this... country
14:40 <rust_collector> Ok, that is it.
14:55 <rust_collector> now I know hsn93 works for the government
15:02 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to go fishing in norway again... with someone that kann teach me how to do it properly, so that this time I have the remote chance to catch something
15:07 <Ysjoelfir> you didn't know?
15:28 <rust_collector> well, i did not have any evidence before now
16:13 <rust_collector> from today, people from "the sort of south of norway" is banned from visiting bahrain
16:23 <rust_collector> ok then
17:11 <rust_collector> i wonder if my fishing stuff is downstairs still
17:51 <K> hello
18:19 <Ysjoelfir> XD nice^^
18:36 <Ysjoelfir> Well, you can borrow mi fishing... pole... thing if you want. I am sure it is crap, but...
18:47 <Ysjoelfir> it's better than a stick with some rope I guess
19:31 <hsn93> why govenment ?
21:57 <hsn93> i dont enjoy fishing
22:12 <hsn93> because i suck at it
22:38 <hsn93> my fishing is basically feeding fishes
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23:33 <K> pardon my ignorance hsn93, but where do you go to fish?
24:07 <K> i have the impresion that rivers and ponds are not quite common in that part of the world
28:03 <hsn93> im in small island
29:08 <hsn93> our traditional jobs used to be "pearl extracting" .. lots of fishermen
29:42 <hsn93> and lots of daily fish meals + shrimp
29:52 <hsn93> K ^^
30:36 <K> ah.
30:51 <hsn93> now its different ..
31:04 <K> fishing and sea does not go together in my head immediately
31:15 <hsn93> but i still know people who eat fish daily
31:28 <K> fish pee where they live, gross
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32:16 <rust_collector> most fish live in the sea, I think
32:32 <rust_collector> have you seen a fish pee?
32:57 <hsn93> i dont know. the specie i eat is tasty
33:02 <rust_collector> why do you think their meat has funny colours?
33:20 <hsn93> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siganus_rivulatus
34:25 <rust_collector> oh good, they at least look like normal fish
35:15 <hsn93> also this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethrinus_nebulosus
35:26 <hsn93> but i prefer eat first one
35:37 <rust_collector> yes, I do not like the second one
36:18 <hsn93> and this one there are lot of people like it i dont : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greasy_grouper
36:24 <hsn93> famous
36:49 <hsn93> i think last one is not so clean
37:23 <hsn93> the last one is strong fish
37:33 <hsn93> u extract it leave it one hour it wont die
38:04 <rust_collector> that is because it has no soul
38:23 <hsn93> oh it eats a lot also, we have a (saying) .. we call wealthy people with this fish name
38:36 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :D
40:46 <hsn93> thats it ???? https://snipboard.io/Yecmgf.jpg just throw extra inductor and cap ?
41:27 <hsn93> caps*
41:29 <rust_collector> (s)
41:50 <hsn93> isnt c5 and c6 redundent ?
42:25 <hsn93> they could just replace C3 to 2uF+ and have less space ?
42:57 <rust_collector> nope
43:10 <hsn93> 3uF* ?
43:29 <hsn93> 4uF? common rusty give me that certificate :)
43:47 <rust_collector> no, you need all the kinsd, after eachother
44:19 <hsn93> why .. frequency response graph thingy?
44:20 <rust_collector> getting things medical rated is not to make them cheap, or to save space
44:42 <rust_collector> it is just to get the forms filled ouot properly
45:24 <hsn93> oh like placing (for medical grade EMI) annotate on the schematic?
45:33 <hsn93> is that type of form filling ?
45:38 <rust_collector> I have no idea, but I guess it has something to do with it being after the ground
45:53 <hsn93> aah
46:08 <rust_collector> you probably have to fill in a lot of paper, to get something rated as medical
46:18 <hsn93> any way, its cool
46:19 <rust_collector> But, no,
46:39 <rust_collector> I have no idea. I am just up past my bedtime, so I keep rambling
46:41 <hsn93> someone wants me to build CPAP machine here
46:50 <rust_collector> ah, ok
46:52 <hsn93> and i only can build Kabab machine
46:53 <rust_collector> interesting
46:54 <hsn93> xD
47:07 <Lemon> damn id kill for a kebab
47:18 <rust_collector> well, that sounds like something you could use an arduino for, really
47:22 <Lemon> mayonaise without tomatoes, with some feta pls
47:23 <rust_collector> yes, me too
47:34 <Lemon> not that I dont like tomatoes
47:35 <rust_collector> no mayo, no feta
47:57 <Lemon> but real gangsters know that those damn tomatoes are a pain when you take a bite and everything comes with it
48:24 <rust_collector> you can cut them up a little bit, you know?
48:45 <Lemon> well usually they are bad quality tomatoes so my front tooth aint enough
49:03 <hsn93> wait i ll send u one project of cpap
49:13 <rust_collector> hmm, a cpap machine is pretty much just an air pump, isn't it?
49:24 <hsn93> i didnt like it
49:42 <hsn93> i guess with pid and humidifier
49:49 <rust_collector> you do not get a cpap machine becuse you like it, lol
49:54 <hsn93> dont know the medical aspect tbh
50:01 <rust_collector> with pid?
50:24 <rust_collector> plain intestine destruction?
50:47 <hsn93> well he is Dr and envolved in "fab lab" he says it may be required because of pendamic
51:03 <rust_collector> sure
51:05 <hsn93> http://www.ti.com/solution/cpap-machine
51:14 <rust_collector> but what is this pid
51:22 <hsn93> pressure + flow
51:46 <rust_collector> yes, it has pressure and flow...
51:53 <rust_collector> what does it do with that?
52:11 <K> PID refers to closed loop controller type, is short for "Proportional-Integrated-Differential"
52:34 <rust_collector> I DON*T CARE!!! what does it do, in this case?
52:56 <hsn93> i think the patient get diagnostic by a doctor and give him some flow constant or pressure im not sure let me check
53:11 <rust_collector> ok, that makes sense
53:22 <hsn93> that machine has to provide that constant pressure "i would guess" so the lung cant stop breathing
53:34 <hsn93> thats why i get from fast 5min research
53:47 <rust_collector> it is so the passage into the lungs do not close
54:00 <rust_collector> it blows air into your nose
55:00 <hsn93> yes
55:22 <rust_collector> but ok, so you have to find an air pump that flows a reasonable amount, then control the pressure with some kind of controller, and... I dunno what else you would need, really
55:23 <hsn93> + humidifier because if its dry air it makes problem of dry nose
55:32 <rust_collector> ok
55:41 <hsn93> wait i ll send u the pdf i didnt like
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58:10 <rust_collector> oh gawd, why am I even thinking about this crap. I have been thrown out of hospitals before, because I was curious
00:20 <rust_collector> iIrc, you would look for some kind of pump with nice even smooth flow
06:40 <hsn93> https://hsn93.com/www/CPAP.pdf ^^
07:28 <hsn93> this circuit of UPS + power AC = !!!!
08:06 <rust_collector> eh? you need power... power is good
08:53 <hsn93> look at clearances
08:59 <hsn93> page 17
09:07 <hsn93> 18
11:41 <rust_collector> ok, now I do not like it either
11:50 <rust_collector> 3d printed case
11:55 <hsn93> yeah
12:22 <hsn93> u know i just made "upload.php" file just to share this pdf xD
12:34 <rust_collector> now, I will not say you should use that exactly as it is, but that should work. just lay it out in the way you like more?
13:16 <rust_collector> And make a real box for it, not some dumb 3d printed rectangle.
13:49 <rust_collector> this is one of the main reasons why I do not have or want a 3d printer
14:23 <hsn93> i know 3d printing base shapes is the most dumb idea that makes me angry
14:49 <rust_collector> people keep making flat pieces of plastic with them. why not just use a sheet of flat plastic? be done in 10 minutes.
15:15 <rust_collector> at least do something interesting with them
15:18 <hsn93> some of these people have access to cnc milling u know
15:28 <rust_collector> yeah...
15:51 <rust_collector> that is nice, if you are making 200 or more of the same part
16:45 <rust_collector> cnc does not make a part better. it just keeps the operator from getting too bored, doing the same thing over and over
17:38 <rust_collector> ok, it has its places, like turbine blades and stuff. weird shapes
19:47 <rust_collector> I think having some kind of ups makes sense. either that, or something that makes the person using it wake up
20:19 <Lemon> yesterday I made an arb wave with the pc software, consisting of a mix of a ramp, an exponantial rise and a step up
20:26 <Lemon> yesterday I made an arb wave with the pc software, consisting of a mix of a ramp, an exponantial rise and a step up
20:27 <rust_collector> I do not think I have had an electric shock IN my nose before, but that could probably wake me up
20:35 <Lemon> shiet I should scroll down
20:54 <rust_collector> nah, type it in one more time
21:59 <rust_collector> so, that was fun, right?
22:20 <Lemon> yeah it was nice to send it directly on the siglent and see it on the tek 540
23:01 <rust_collector> hmm, what did they call those.... uhm, it is like a sillyscope, just that it plots to paper
23:07 <rust_collector> that would be cool
23:15 <Lemon> ha yeah
23:23 <Lemon> we use those for earthquakes right ?
23:27 <Lemon> a sysmometer ?
24:26 <rust_collector> I guess they work in a similar way, just measuring voltage over time
24:40 <rust_collector> so, a very analog scope
25:42 <Lemon> nice machines
26:07 <Lemon> also the toshiba satellite pro is a 440cdt, pentium 200mmx or watever with 48mb ram
26:10 <Lemon> it works nicely
26:30 <Lemon> but it cant handle a win xp, which is needed for the keysight librairies, for the agilent gpib/usb cable I bought
26:33 <Lemon> idk if theres a workaround
26:49 <rust_collector> how can it not handle xp?
27:00 <rust_collector> like, does not even install, or?
27:17 <Ampera> P200 is pretty light for XP
27:41 <Ampera> I'd imagine it'd be the RAM that would limit, though, because that's almost nothing
27:54 <rust_collector> I wonder what part of xp the stuff needs
28:05 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/V8d2ob.jpg rust_collector ,, i also dont trust that blower .. i would think it require air flow measurment externally
28:19 <rust_collector> I think the first xp could run on 48, but maybe it was 64?
29:14 <rust_collector> hsn93, it is a fan...
29:24 <rust_collector> use a fan you trust more?
29:47 <hsn93> yeah , but i dont trust it would give u (required flow) based on (0-5v)
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30:45 <rust_collector> it is a 24v fan, I think?
31:10 <rust_collector> the controller gets a 0 to 5v signal, probably
31:48 <hsn93> that fan is brushless
31:53 <rust_collector> you just want flow, you do not want to inflate people
31:56 <Ampera> XP minimum spec for initial version is 64MB RAM with a P233
32:27 <rust_collector> well, yes, brushless is... nothing wrong with that, is there?
32:35 <hsn93> as much as i know (u keep constant pressure + flow) ..
32:55 <hsn93> u dont want to push extra flow its annoying ..
33:11 <rust_collector> you use whatever flow to get to the set pressure
35:00 <hsn93> then what if that flow is too (high or too low) ? its either the patinet is not breathing correctly = too low flow to maintain pressure
35:51 <rust_collector> this is like the voltage or amps thing, I think...
36:00 <hsn93> Yeah, constant pressure maintained by flow, the idea is also to be able to quantify the volume that the patient is inhaling in each breath
36:00 <rust_collector> both of them will kill you
36:17 <hsn93> how would u quantify volume of inhaling ^ !!
36:33 <hsn93> wait i will tell u which one i dont trust exactly
36:37 <rust_collector> if you really want to, use a flow meter?
37:10 <hsn93> https://hsn93.com/www/CPAP.pdf ->> page 14
37:35 <hsn93> yes thats what im thinking .. can we really depend on these graph ? i dont think so
38:06 <rust_collector> right, that is probably correct, for exactly that fan he used, that is no longer made.
38:48 <rust_collector> if you buy a good blower, I guess they could come with datasheets. if not, you have to flow test them
40:52 <hsn93> right
42:11 <rust_collector> but, in general, that stuff would work. but you have to adjust for different parts, and stuff, and if you want it safe, and all that crap
42:25 <hsn93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n57u1NvXBgw&feature=youtu.be
44:07 <Lemon> well the oldest driver for the 82357b agilent gpib/usb is for xp
44:13 <Lemon> none for win 98
46:35 <rust_collector> I think you should still install 98 on that thing, just because you should
46:46 <rust_collector> I mean, it has an usb and all
47:28 <Lemon> yeah I thought about this
47:45 <Lemon> I found an old wav file with my name on it, probably something I did with my father when I was really young
47:52 <rust_collector> heh
47:55 <Lemon> but it seems corrupted
48:26 <Lemon> I need to look if I have an ide to cf adapter somewhere
48:28 <Lemon> could be neat
49:45 <rust_collector> yes, I did look at that some time ago. but then large-ish cf cards were too close to the price of a regular ssd
49:54 <rust_collector> if you have the stuff, go for it
49:57 <Lemon> ho a 4go one would be fine honestly
50:02 <rust_collector> yes
50:07 <Lemon> I dont need a lot of storage on this laptop
51:21 <rust_collector> all my cf cards are weird 128 and 64 and such. so not something I wanted to try. if you have a 4, that is great
51:40 <Lemon> I need to look, my father got a lot of stuff
51:50 <Lemon> but theres still a lot unsorted
52:31 <rust_collector> just wait, you will find the box of perverse stuff some day
52:45 <Lemon> haha ho not the type of my dear dad honestly
52:49 <Lemon> but you know, on customers pc
52:54 <Lemon> he saw some weird shit
53:07 <Lemon> he would never talk about it nor look for it, but sometimes he came upon it
54:21 <Lemon> lemme look in some drawers
54:46 <Lemon> ok theres a 16mb and an unknown one
57:15 <Lemon> ha, found an adapter with a 1gb card in it but idk if its for a laptop
58:44 <Lemon> theres a lot of pcbs he disgned himself
58:47 <Lemon> I wonder what they does
58:48 <rust_collector> hmm, how was that again... were they 40 and 44 pin, or... uhm...
59:02 <Lemon> another pcmcia with a 8mb card in it
59:36 <rust_collector> put the pcbc on the forum, and have a contest
00:09 <rust_collector> winner gets a 16mb cf card, if he does local pickup
00:50 <Lemon> heh
00:58 <Lemon> theres also a nice collection of old programmable calculators
01:02 <Lemon> I loved those things, and still do
01:13 <Lemon> theres like 4 psion organizers II
01:17 <Lemon> multiple HP's etc
01:39 <rust_collector> some of those are worth collecting
02:35 <Lemon> ho yeah
02:42 <Lemon> some of them are like 2-300 euros+
02:49 <Lemon> he never paid a lot for them
02:54 <Lemon> he fixed a ton
04:01 <Lemon> arf yes the adapter I have is with an angle connector
04:03 <Lemon> wont work
04:28 <Lemon> not a big deal anyway
05:33 <rust_collector> soooo, you need an old thin client to put that in...
06:13 <rust_collector> heh, I should see if I can put xp on one of those things.
06:56 <Lemon> well when I get the gpib/usb adapter I'll see what is possible to do
07:02 <Lemon> it should come quick, I paid for express shipping
07:15 <Lemon> as in france theres no many delivery services that still works
07:23 <Lemon> ho and I bought the gpsdo module too !
07:55 <rust_collector> pling plong ding dong
08:14 <Lemon> the gpsdo got a 3.5 jack rs 232 connector to monitor it
08:24 <Lemon> idk if I can get an adapter, then another rs 232 to usb adapter
08:56 <rust_collector> I wonder why my asus tv-computer thing has a serial port
09:06 <Lemon> for maintenance maybe
09:22 <rust_collector> I got it, and tried plugging in the screen, but...uuh, no... wrong way
10:08 <rust_collector> maybe it is not serial as such. but it has the 9 pin "backwards vga"
10:33 <Lemon> I dont know much about those
10:41 <Lemon> ho did I told you that yesterday I found two old probes ?
10:54 <Lemon> one got a broken tip but the other function well
10:58 <rust_collector> maintaining a shitty cheap media pc sounds weird
11:01 <Lemon> 200Mhz tek probes
11:22 <rust_collector> well, that is nice
12:36 <Lemon> yeah, what would be nice is if the dude that I bought the second 500Mhz probe could fucking send it
12:40 <Lemon> or at least answer my messages
13:06 <rust_collector> go sneeze on his door
13:19 <Lemon> well maybe he's ill
13:21 <Lemon> thats a possibility
13:55 <rust_collector> licensed to ill
14:26 <Lemon> that sucks because I bought it from him, because it was in france, and it looked to be the same revision as the one I have
17:26 <Lemon> some chinese bois are selling them really cheap, 53 euros with free shipping, it seems genuine
19:21 <Lemon> I just want a pair honestly, I dont need 4
24:20 <rust_collector> I should probably figure out if I am going to work tomorrow or not, and maybe even tell the boss, lol
24:56 <Lemon> yeah that can be a good thing
25:48 <rust_collector> I should wait until I know he is on his way home. He tends to call me at the wrong time, so...
29:18 <Ampera> So I have an iPhone 5S for QA work, and fuck this thing's tiny
29:32 <K> a phone for ants?
29:40 <Lemon> hhhha the 5s !
29:48 Quit: mamalala ([email protected]) Quit: Connection reset by beer
29:51 <Lemon> I loved mine, and now I have a SE which is the same thing honestly
29:56 <Lemon> love the form factor
29:59 <Ampera> I have a 1+1, fuck apple
30:04 <Ampera> but the job calls for it
30:21 <Ampera> Compared to my 1+1, which is technically in the phablet range, it's uh
30:21 <Lemon> I just use it for messages, some rare calls and occasional web surfing
30:22 <Ampera> cute
30:25 <Lemon> for that it works well
30:46 <Lemon> well I kinda like small phones now, I used to like bigbois
31:01 <Lemon> but they arent convenient, you need both hands to type on them or hold them etc
31:13 <Lemon> sometimes it doesnt even fit in a jeans pocket
31:22 <Lemon> but its all a matter of taste
36:12 <rust_collector> I wish they made a phone that was more phone, and less tablet. Maybe I just don't get it, but I find it annoying to dig thru menus to find a number to call, and stuff like that
36:30 <Lemon> thats why I like iphone's 5s/se
36:37 <Lemon> easy to use, perfect size for me
36:52 <Lemon> not that expensive, I paid 100 euros for my se a year ago, like new
37:00 <rust_collector> i sort of hate them, just because they have so many tiny tiny screws inside, lol
37:01 <Lemon> snappy enough
37:13 <Lemon> haaa yes its a pain to work with
37:25 <Lemon> I had to change the battery on my mothers one, god damn it dude
37:29 <Lemon> its a pain
37:42 <rust_collector> battery was not that bad, iIrc,
37:52 <Lemon> hooo look at a video for the iphone se
37:52 <rust_collector> replacement case was annoying
37:58 <Lemon> its doable, but you gotta be careful
38:16 <rust_collector> I just do not want an iphone.
39:29 <Lemon> understandable
40:05 <rust_collector> mom used them for a long time. but she also has an imac, and a macbook, and some other crap
40:36 <rust_collector> I just do not understand how to use them, lol
41:12 <rust_collector> I do have a tiny interest in installing something on the imac
43:05 <Lemon> I still have my fathers macbook 15, its a nice one but I have no use for it
43:20 <Lemon> 16gb ddr4, 512gb ssd, etc it was a nice model
44:05 <K> if it is pre-touchbar model, keep it
44:16 <Lemon> it is yes
44:20 <Lemon> one of the best models
44:28 <Lemon> I will keep it, it got a sentimental value
44:34 <Lemon> but I dont really have a use for it
44:57 <K> it is a very nice machine, i have mine still running fine, from mid 2014
44:59 <Lemon> maybe I could use it for my instruments
45:01 <Lemon> with gpib
45:01 <K> changed battery once
45:48 <K> it is very adequate daily workhorse for me
45:57 <Lemon> yeah it works well
46:46 <rust_collector> if you carry it around a lot, I guess those makes sense
47:03 <Lemon> he was using it to fix customers computers
47:08 <Ampera> this is the first time in my life I've had the fancier smartphone
47:23 <Ampera> I didn't even have a real phone plan until a month ago
47:37 <Lemon> its better than using a windows machine, as most of customers pc were full of shit, it was much easier to image the hdd and open a vm
47:41 <rust_collector> I mean, I have a stinkpad... "slim" but it is still thicker than any of my other laptops from the last 10 years
47:50 <Lemon> I love thinkpads
47:57 <Lemon> I still kinda want a x230 honestly
48:21 <rust_collector> I am not sure why, but I want a T40
48:32 <Lemon> they are nice too
48:36 <Lemon> robust machines
48:54 <Lemon> one of the best accessories I have is the kensington slimblade
48:58 <rust_collector> yes, and almost unusable online these days
49:04 <Lemon> once you get used to it its so nice, especially with multi-screens
49:24 <rust_collector> eeh, ok, I dunno what that is
49:32 <Lemon> a trackball
49:47 <Lemon> I had some wirst pain using a mouse, so I got this one, for a nice price
49:47 <rust_collector> oh
49:56 <Lemon> used like new for like 45 euros with shipping, instead of 110 new
50:01 <Lemon> and damn I like it a lotr
50:43 <rust_collector> I like my stinkpad clit a world of warcraft
51:35 <Lemon> im really proud of my little 'lab'
51:43 <K> eya, i bring my own laptop to work
52:27 <Lemon> ho I still need to hack the siglent
52:36 <rust_collector> in the dumpster at work, they have those palmrest things, with the... uuh, "chain-style" touchpad, or scroll-thing. I wonder if I should try one of those
52:36 <Lemon> to pimp it to 60Mhz bw max
53:46 <Lemon> yeah grab one
53:54 <Lemon> ho also, have you got those slider thingies ?
54:18 <rust_collector> I guess I really should look on the internet, because someone has to have made an adapter for a thinkpad keyboard to usb, or something
54:30 <rust_collector> slider
54:37 <rust_collector> the actuators?
54:42 <Lemon> yeah !
54:49 <rust_collector> nope, they are gone
54:53 <Lemon> aww
56:08 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector?
56:27 <rust_collector> yes dear
56:49 <rust_collector> zis is me ja?
57:11 <rust_collector> I mean WHAT!??!
57:55 <Ysjoelfir> what do you think... Volvo wants me to change the oil every 10k km. I checked the oil level, it's fine, also there's no smell of gasoline in the oil or cloudiness from water or simmilar. Also, it's just honey colored. I somehow don't want to change it now, it looks ok to me?
58:17 <Ysjoelfir> also, it's 0W40, not the 15W30 or whatever they used back in the days
58:20 <Lemon> yes its fine
58:32 <rust_collector> hmmm. yes, it is fine, but...
59:01 <rust_collector> do you feel it stick between your fingers?
59:32 <rust_collector> if it is honey, it won't be used that much anyway
59:40 <Ysjoelfir> xD
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