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00:05 <rust_collector> 10w30. yes
00:44 <rust_collector> no, it will probably last longer now, I have even started to replace the filter more often than the oil, lol
01:31 <Ysjoelfir> lol^^
01:43 <rust_collector> how long has it been used now?
02:36 <rust_collector> I would personally probably go to 15 or close to 20, if nothing changes
02:48 <Ysjoelfir> ~11000km
02:53 <Ysjoelfir> ~13 months
03:05 <rust_collector> mmh
04:01 <rust_collector> well, I would have to look that up, but... I think the main problem is that it can get...uuh, was it acidic? Maybe you can just do a ph test?
04:15 <Lemon> well guys time for a nap, see you in a few hours
04:26 <rust_collector> good evenightning
05:38 <Ysjoelfir> thats a good idea. I'll do that, if my test strips are still good.
06:06 <rust_collector> not that I know what it is supposed to measure at
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07:25 <Ysjoelfir> I have some still left in the bucket it came in. I'll cross check that
07:55 <rust_collector> I do not think it should change much, until it does
08:44 <Ysjoelfir> I think the same
10:50 <rust_collector> oooh, a russian woman named olga is going to make me a cake
11:56 <rust_collector> I like cake
12:47 <Ysjoelfir> nice!
13:22 <rust_collector> I hope it is not one of those classic soviet turnip and cabbage cakes
13:39 <Ysjoelfir> xD
13:49 <Ysjoelfir> as long as it's tasty it'll be fine
13:54 <rust_collector> yep
14:03 <rust_collector> and I have a feeling it will be
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27:33 <rust_collector> oh no, now I am looking at keaboards on ebay again
27:54 <hsn93> ooooh ,,, yummy https://www.samtec.com/solutions/flexible-board-stacking-connectors
34:55 <rust_collector> I would like something almost like this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-IBM-RT3200-V-5NTW-Space-Saver-II-PS2-84-Key-Keyboard-37L0888/164071721163?epid=74086495&hash=item26336fc8cb:g:k80AAOSwhBFePa-u
35:14 <K> space invader
35:21 <rust_collector> I have never used one, so I don't know if they are usable
36:09 <Ysjoelfir> hsn: those are pretty nice. rusty: I would love to have a mechanic keyboard with tactile switches AND the track....bobble-thing. full size.
36:48 <rust_collector> i just want a compact keyboard, with the clit
37:46 <rust_collector> and a sane layout, lol. I am always looking for people who bought the wrong keyboard, so I can get them cheap
39:33 <rust_collector> I did cut the end off an old hp keyboard. it was pretty tricky to get all the plastic film-trace things curled up in there, and not shorting everything. But, in the end, it just got too unreliable.
40:04 <rust_collector> but it was pretty nice, lots of space on my desk to pile up other crap on
55:49 <rust_collector> ooh, danyk is making sparks on youtube
56:24 <rust_collector> Lemon, you wanted a high-ish voltage supply, no?
56:37 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9RB3T_kVh4
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56:30 <Watcher> hello
57:11 <Watcher> now some body of a Tenma 72-7730A is a good or bad multimeter. i think it is a rebrand brand form farnell.
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38:39 <DHess_US> If the multimeter chants and request a sacrifice of Gumby before operating, then it is bad.
42:31 <Watcher> what do you mane with sacrifice of Gumby?
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46:15 <coppice_> any multimeter that require incantations should be avoided.
48:48 <Watcher> so what @Dhess_US and @coppice wil say is that if the multimeter works it works and it do the job for you it is good for you?
49:09 <DHess_US> Gumby, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumby
50:02 <DHess_US> I'm saying that the chances someone has specific information about a specific multimeter is unlikely.
51:50 <DHess_US> Looking at it I can see several flaws but nothing which makes it bad. I wouldn't by one.
51:52 <DHess_US> buy one.
52:30 <Watcher> @Dhess_US that sounds like logic consedering the amount of ddms that are on the market
52:48 <DHess_US> No off setting on both sides of the dial and it is "styled" which means marketing has replaced engineering.
52:56 <coppice_> Tenma are an aggregator. Its not a Farnell brand name
53:33 <DHess_US> But we are talking about a specific model and not a brand.
53:48 <DHess_US> For $200, I expect better.
54:07 <Watcher> i can this model in my country from a pawnshop for 90 euro.
55:12 <coppice_> its 119 pounds from Farnell, so $200 seems high
55:41 <DHess_US> No specification for battery life is another bad sign.
56:17 <DHess_US> I see it now for $130 new from Newark.
56:22 <coppice_> Most of the Tenma markets is reasonable, but as they are not the actual maker they can be a bit variable. You need comments on the specific model
56:38 <coppice_> Most of the stuff
56:39 <DHess_US> I *am* commenting on the specific model.
57:28 <Watcher> i can also found not a good youtube or blog like review of it and only i review on amazon
57:32 <DHess_US> The datasheet again indicates it was not well designed.
57:52 <Ampera> Tenma? Dr?
58:00 <DHess_US> The Tenma datasheet.
58:08 <Ampera> Tobio?
58:26 <Ampera> (it would be quite impressive indeed for someone here to recognize that reference)
58:36 <coppice_> most multimeter makers sell an odd mix of good and bad stuff
59:19 <K> we are uncultured savages here, Ampera
59:35 <Ampera> No you are all just too old to have enjoyed a somewhat obscure children's show from 2003
59:37 <K> your high-brow humour is not appreciated
00:05 <Ampera> Astro Boy being high brow is amusing to me
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01:42 <Watcher> and the datasheet says that there is a cd with software (i think for datalogging stuff) and it is for pc and say nothing about the os version it will run.
02:36 <K> unless you desperately need a used dmm, i would pass this offer
02:37 <Watcher> i have see that on other products that it is not native compatible with software above windows 7 or 8. mustly at the dollarstore
03:02 <Watcher> @k it is a new one never been out of the box
03:47 <K> do need it or do you want it?
06:16 <Watcher> my current very cheap multimeter is broken and with my budget there a in my country not a lot good ddm with auto range, and not speaking about temputure measurent that i want on the second hand market. but i have the time to wait for a couple of weeks for a nother offer
06:37 <Watcher> the previous good deal was a week or 4-5 ago.
10:00 <K> well it probably is nominally functional, but you have no guarantees in case it is broken or bad, and 90 eur is 90 eur
13:04 <Watcher> the pawnshop give 1 month warranty
14:11 <K> eh
14:29 <DHess_US> Like I said, I wouldn't buy it but I have lots of options in the US and I have two working handheld multimeters.
15:57 <Watcher> thanks for the information i will thank about of i will buy it or that i let it go over this time
19:05 <Lemon> am back
19:17 <Lemon> are we talking dmm's ?
21:58 <Watcher> @Lemon the discussion is mustly closed but as you have input i stay open for it it will help to make a better dissicion
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50:41 <Lemon__> the hell going on
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56:25 <Ysjoelfir> huh? DMMs? which one did I miss?
57:27 <Lemon__> ha I lost the logs here
57:37 <Lemon__> one of my screen is used for another computer
57:41 <Lemon__> it fucked up everything
57:44 <Lemon__> thanks windows
58:03 <Lemon__> I realize tek's 485 are really nice scopes
59:42 <Ysjoelfir> indeed. but not as great as a nice 502A
00:31 <Lemon__> well I think it is, for once :P
02:24 <Ysjoelfir> https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/918/imposibru.jpg
19:09 * Ampera smashes Ysjoelfir in the face with a bag of hexagons
32:48 <MrMobodies> Hello
33:13 <Ampera> hullo
33:21 <MrMobodies> Just noticed the above
33:29 <Ampera> what the above
33:35 <MrMobodies> and soon Ysjoelfir will have Hexvision
33:47 <MrMobodies> just a joke
34:02 * Ampera stabs MrMobodies with a tetragon
34:10 <Lemon__> hello !
34:30 * Ampera slaps Lemon__ with the illusive two sided polygon
34:42 <Lemon__> aww
37:18 <MrMobodies> I forgot what a tetragon can't remember names too well
37:37 <MrMobodies> I was moving some stuff out of the workshop
37:54 <MrMobodies> I found something in packaging
38:06 <MrMobodies> Gigabyte 6BA motherboard AT/ATX hybrid
38:25 <MrMobodies> I remembered I got that at boot sale £5 in 2001
38:28 <Ampera> MrMobodies, what a square, can't even figure out what a tetragon is
38:57 <MrMobodies> I see it is sort of retangular but uneven
39:24 <MrMobodies> it took me years to associate a cube to what a cube looks like
39:35 <MrMobodies> I have memory problems with names
40:38 <MrMobodies> the problem withat Gigabyte 6BA, the linfinity regulator got very hot and discoloured the board at the time
41:29 <Lemon__> I want to remove the handle of my siglent gen but theres a warranty sticker
41:38 <Lemon__> the kind thats hard to remove without damaging
41:53 <MrMobodies> either extra cooling or replace it with one that doesn't get hot, I think it was an issue with the Voodoo 3's and their power consumption and some even had a jumpoer to bypass it.
47:44 <Lemon__> im tempted to get one of those ink tablets to read pdf on them
47:46 <Ysjoelfir> yiautsch! what was that for Ampera?
49:10 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, to shape you up
51:04 <Lemon__> anyone here got a kindle, or some kind of ink tablet ?
51:28 <Lemon__> I want to put some books in pdf on it, I prefer that than reading on my computer
51:36 <Lemon__> and I cant afford to print them
53:37 <MrMobodies> I have a Surface RT (given to me) but it is not very eye friendly
54:07 <Ampera> I have a kindle but it would probably cost more than it's worth to ship it to you
54:09 <Lemon__> yeah I do have regular tablets, im just interested by those ink stuff
54:21 <Lemon__> where do you live ?
54:23 <Ampera> Look on ebay you can probably get them for almost nothing.
54:50 <Ampera> I live in the Winnie the Flu capital of the US
55:00 <Lemon__> aff yeah far
55:29 <Lemon__> you can put whatever you want on it right ?
55:34 <Lemon__> its not limited to amazon stuff
56:07 <Ampera> afaik
56:10 <Ampera> haven't used it in ages
56:29 <Ampera> US to Baguette shipping is also stupid expensive
56:46 <Lemon__> yeah its a ton
57:00 <Lemon__> yesterday I found a nice thing but shipping kills the deal
57:05 <Lemon__> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-6632A-GPIB-dc-power-supply-0-20-Vdc-0-5-A-100-Watts/313025124466?hash=item48e1c05872:g:cHsAAOSwrtteaQqk
57:19 <Lemon__> 50 euros of shipping
00:36 <Lemon__> a gpib power supply would be a cool thing
00:40 <Lemon__> I want to gpib all the things now
03:16 <Ysjoelfir> I thought of creating such a thing. but since I am not that good in software, coding it will be a pain :X
03:37 <Lemon__> yeah it will be the right time for me to learn some python
03:41 <Lemon__> and how to use the gpib interface
03:53 <Lemon__> ho also !
04:00 <Lemon__> on the gpsdo module, theres a 3.5 mm jack rs232 connector
04:07 <Lemon__> I didnt know it exist
04:23 <Lemon__> can I use a 3.5 jack to rs232, and rs232 to usb cables to connect it to my workstation ?
08:50 <Ysjoelfir> How should I know? :D I have no idea
09:03 <Lemon__> well idk maybe you used something similar before :>
09:24 <Lemon__> you are an engeener, you must know everything !! :P
10:27 <Ysjoelfir> I am soon to be unemployed, so I must be flawed somehow, right? :P
10:39 <Lemon__> nahhhh its the system thats flawed !
13:09 <Lemon__> shit I want a gpib printer now
13:17 <Lemon__> and a 2465B
13:19 <Lemon__> and and and
13:20 <rust_collector> morning!
13:28 <Ysjoelfir> :P
13:29 <Ysjoelfir> hi rust
13:34 <rust_collector> hey-o
13:39 <Lemon__> hello rusty
13:43 <rust_collector> yes
13:48 <Lemon__> ok
14:15 * Ysjoelfir is preparing chilli for dinner
14:55 <rust_collector> say hi to chilli
16:39 <Ysjoelfir> it complains that it's cold.
16:53 <rust_collector> awww
17:01 <rust_collector> off with its head
21:46 <MrMobodies> talking of chilli
21:59 <MrMobodies> I brought some Chinese yesterday across the road a nice little shop
22:12 <MrMobodies> chicken in chilli sauce and sweat and sour too
22:21 <MrMobodies> they gave me some chips
22:29 <MrMobodies> I threw most out in the garden
22:39 <MrMobodies> today the birds were fighting over it
26:00 <Ysjoelfir> i hope they were tasty?
26:45 <rust_collector> you can catch them in rat traps
28:04 <rust_collector> I hope you did, as you would not want to have aggressive animals in your area
34:49 <MrMobodies> it was the blackbirds, they were pickup them up and the pigeons were going after them and they're drop the chip they'd fight
35:29 <MrMobodies> I threw some stale brown bread out and they wern't interested
36:18 <MrMobodies> but I have seen rats trigger than security lights through the camera at night
36:31 <MrMobodies> I think they are living near the garage building
38:47 <MrMobodies> I am going experiment with the PfSense firewall with DHCP6
39:09 <MrMobodies> I have already got the interfaces marked up and one allocated for the LAN side on a separate switch
40:07 <MrMobodies> it's been working fine for many weeks now with the additional 2x 6 port networks cards
40:23 <MrMobodies> but coffee tinme first
40:55 <Lemon__> blackbird singin in the dead of nighttttt
48:14 <rust_collector> something made me think of blackirds roasting on an open fire...
48:26 <rust_collector> but, good night
48:33 <rust_collector> again
49:47 <Lemon__> night rusty
51:14 <MrMobodies> nighty
52:09 <MrMobodies> Just before I break anything to a point it hang on bootup I think it is time to disc image.
52:36 <MrMobodies> Then all I have to do is extract it to another SSD and that takes minutes to extract.
52:57 <MrMobodies> Going to power it down, see you soon
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40:20 <DHess_US> Walked to the bank today. Got inside and the teller was closed and they had a sign up. They only open the teller by appointment so customers should use drive through. So I walked through the drive through. *beep* *beep*
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53:20 <gopimn> sup
53:30 <gopimn> what do you think about SAMC21
53:41 <gopimn> have you ever used it?
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11:33 <steve30> I wonder where Halcyon is
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21:13 <MrMobodies> Yep the disk image finished and works fine.
21:30 <MrMobodies> in the mean time I found a work around for my frames
21:48 <MrMobodies> the foam kept falling off
22:26 <MrMobodies> so I put some bluetack to fill in the the area with the sharp edges and cut out some electrical tape and smoothened it
22:29 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/K5z1odz
22:50 <MrMobodies> on older copies of the frames I can't find that design
23:54 <MrMobodies> I wonder who's smart idea that was to design it like that and put sharp edges where all the weight is concentrated on two small spots. Anyway that'll do until I go back to my optician.
24:27 <MrMobodies> Anyone had come across a frame like that before?
24:29 <steve30> looks ouchy
25:08 <MrMobodies> It does look similar to my previous ones but it didn't have that bit
25:28 <MrMobodies> it makes me wonder whether whoever designed it actually wore glasses
27:34 <MrMobodies> Also looking down it skates off my nose on those sharp spikey things.
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32:03 <MrMobodies> I got a reply message back, quite unusual time as it is about 2am, my opticians are now closing until further notice with the Corona virus.
32:03 <MrMobodies> The IPV6 didn't seem to be working
32:03 <MrMobodies> I plugged in one of the routers they sent out
32:03 <MrMobodies> I made sure it was turned on but in the logs
32:03 <MrMobodies> "Failed to send DHCPV6 message to ff02::1:2 (Permission denied)"
32:03 <MrMobodies> gotto to phone them up tomorrow to enquire.. I did remember there being one set initially last year when I used their router for a while.
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15:19 <Ysjoelfir> hello
39:59 <hsn93> Hello there
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07:02 <Greta> How dare you?!
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46:02 <Halcyon> Hehehe
46:07 <Halcyon> Evening all
46:14 * Halcyon nuzzles Ampera
46:33 <steve30> hi Halcyon
46:37 <Halcyon> Hey Steve :)
46:43 <Halcyon> How's my favourite Pom?
47:08 <steve30> A little sleepy, as he had to wake up in order to go out
47:13 <Halcyon> Naww
47:19 <Halcyon> Where are you off to today?
47:36 <steve30> I need to go and pick up a prescription for my mum
47:50 <Halcyon> DogWomble: Not sure if this is of interest: https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MOUSE-vintage-1980s-computer-mouse-for-Acorn-BBC-Model-B/163943441991?hash=item262bca6647:g:LmoAAOSwAFJdzLh0
47:54 <Halcyon> It's expensive
48:12 <DogWomble> ooh nice find Halcyon
48:13 <Halcyon> But this guy has some awesome stuff for sale. I've bought off him a few times
48:30 <DogWomble> yeah, anything BBC Micro that makes it's way to Australian EBay goes for silly money
48:37 <DogWomble> it'
48:47 <DogWomble> it's kinda collectible amongst some people and doesn't come up often
49:28 <Halcyon> I guess in a box too
49:33 <Halcyon> It would be even less common
50:37 <Halcyon> He has a ZX Spectrum+ as well in the box
50:50 <steve30> So, I ended up watching coronavirus themed porn last night
51:09 <DogWomble> coronavirus themed .... porn
51:21 <Halcyon> I've heard about this Steve, is it basically "Oh, you don't look well, let me take your temperature... internally... bow chicka wow wowww"
51:26 <DogWomble> Well I suppose Rule 34 of the Internet is a thing
51:26 <Halcyon> ?
52:06 <DogWomble> 
52:33 <steve30> A bit cringey, but quite funny: https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5e52f1c829e8c
53:31 <DogWomble> watched this earlier, was an interesting watch
53:31 <DogWomble> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxSCNhblC3g
54:52 <steve30> Halcyon, I still haven't heard back from either of the air conditioning guys
00:19 <Halcyon> Oh no :(
00:36 <Halcyon> Is it a busy time for them in the UK ?
01:13 <steve30> doubt it
01:40 <steve30> Might give them a ring if i've not heard anything by tomorrow
01:46 <DogWomble> Well given you call anything over about 30 degrees a heatwave....
02:09 <Halcyon> Steve: Why would you watch that? It has boobies
02:13 <Halcyon> Also the guy is not that hot at all
02:22 <Halcyon> Meanwhile, I know where all the P2 masks have gone
02:32 <steve30> It was amusing
02:47 <coppice_> perhaps steve30 is a mask fetishist
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30:30 * Halcyon nibbles on salmon
59:35 * steve30 back
59:52 * Halcyon nibbles on Steve
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12:13 * Ampera bites Halcyon
13:13 <Halcyon> Harder
13:39 <Halcyon> How are you my friend?
13:49 <Ampera> blech
14:17 <Halcyon> Aww
14:20 <Halcyon> *cuddles*
17:37 <Ampera> Halcyon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LA0lKK4u18
18:18 <Halcyon> Heh
20:33 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
21:50 <Halcyon> :D
21:54 <Halcyon> So much attention
50:25 <K> hello
51:17 <rust_collector> hello
51:22 <steve30> hi
51:27 <rust_collector> hello hello
51:56 <K> yall'.
51:59 <rust_collector> is the bot on vacation?
52:06 <K> or what is apropriate, i am not sure
55:33 <steve30> maybe its self isolating for coronavirus
57:37 <rust_collector> could be....
14:26 <rust_collector> maybe it is just as intelligent as other aliens
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25:09 <rust_collector> hello, Lemon person
43:37 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/wGbgFO2.png
44:09 <Ampera> hullo frens
45:15 <rust_collector> hey!
45:39 <rust_collector> yes, I know, but I said hey anyway
50:25 <DHess_US> Oh man, Disney is going to go apeshit. Netflix is starting to produce children's content like animation.
51:17 <rust_collector> does it matter what kind of shit they are going to now?
53:20 <DHess_US> What?
53:40 <DHess_US> Syntax Error in line 06:51:16
53:48 <rust_collector> disney are going apeshit...
53:56 <DHess_US> Disney is very predatory.
54:00 <rust_collector> yes
54:11 <DHess_US> They can crush Netflix via various means.
54:22 <rust_collector> mmm maybe
54:25 <DHess_US> Like, buying their suppliers and closing them.
55:01 <DHess_US> They have often done that to competing animation houses. They will buy the building they are in and cancel their lease for instance
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57:20 <rust_collector> oh well, then I guess the wife has to find something else to do
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59:44 <rust_collector> hoi hsn
20:15 <Lemon> hello peeps
20:42 <rust_collector> yes
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21:40 <hsn> hoi there rusty
21:48 <rust_collector> what is happening in fr
21:49 <rust_collector> hey
21:59 <hsn> fr?
22:05 <hsn> what? covid stuff?
23:06 <Lemon> nothing really new I guess
26:17 <rust_collector> no, anything other than that.
26:18 <rust_collector> ok
27:31 <rust_collector> there was a guy on the radio today, he had been looking for news that had nothing to do with viruses.
27:57 <K> slim pickings
28:37 <rust_collector> he found one thing, about egg shells being used as fake pearls, and used sort of like facebook likes now, but 10k years ago, or something
29:51 <hsn> this virus makes people dont work
30:07 <hsn> my college is setting all the time looking at news
30:10 <hsn> and being worried
30:28 <rust_collector> well...
30:39 <rust_collector> it is a school, isn't it?
31:39 <coppice_> Disney can just get mice to chew through Netflix's fibre cables
43:32 <Lemon> ok lets build something on a breadboard
43:46 <Lemon> with a 555
43:49 <Lemon> I want to learn more about it
47:15 <rust_collector> make an amplifier with it
47:38 <Lemon> well I think right now I'll explore more the function generator aspect
47:54 <rust_collector> good
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50:53 <rust_collector> uhm, I am not sure there is anything more to learn...
52:49 <rust_collector> hmm, how about that... reset pin, I think it was
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