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02:15 <coppice_> ramadan is fast approaching
07:30 <Ysjoelfir> :P
10:58 <rust_collector> /****----
16:44 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> in ramadan i work until 3pm only :P
16:48 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> which is great
17:41 <rust_collector> from ?
19:30 <rust_collector> ok, the key caps are in the oven, I think they are done pretty soon
19:48 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> from 8am
20:06 <rust_collector> heh
20:06 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> or 9 i dont remember
20:19 <rust_collector> that is annoying
20:26 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> why
21:39 <rust_collector> you spend all that time going to work, waste some time making coffee, chat with that weird guy, look at emails, coffee break, then you have to work for like... 3 hours, and go home?
24:58 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> ramadan = fasting
25:01 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> no coffee
25:20 <rust_collector> oh, so that is why it does not exist here
25:44 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> + i think what u said is true
25:55 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> i think lot of people work 3 hours effectivly
26:23 <rust_collector> yep, probably
32:02 <Ysjoelfir> Sometimes I think that I might try ramadan. just for the "fun" of it and to see if I can endure it
32:19 <Ysjoelfir> or, basically to not eat and drink for most of the day
32:32 <Ysjoelfir> not the religious part of it, as I am not religious at all
34:31 <rust_collector> the christians have a fasting period too, but I do not know the details
34:41 <K> sometime in easter iirc
34:41 <rust_collector> not that anyone cares
34:50 <K> before easter?
35:08 <rust_collector> yes, but... something easter
38:53 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> they have 40 days i believe
39:06 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> but alot of people just follow last 7 days?
39:34 <rust_collector> i dunno, most people ignore it
39:35 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> Ysjoelfir i like it tbh, i feel light
40:16 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> we eat somthing around 3am .. and then fast until 6-7pm
40:36 <Ysjoelfir> 3am, wth
40:57 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> yeah because our day starts around 4am somthing .. and fasting starts with that
41:23 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> it changes depending on sunrise and dawn
41:57 <Ysjoelfir> at 3am I am sleeping
41:58 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> some people sleep so they eat from 12am .. but my family we are awake at 3am
42:16 <Ysjoelfir> I usuall get up around 7
42:16 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> this year its different for me as im living with my wife now
43:03 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> most people sleep very late at night.. there is whole social life at night
43:14 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> zombies at morning xD
44:11 <Ysjoelfir> xD
44:16 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> my wife's work gave her "desktop pc" so next week she works from home
44:26 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> and im supposed to put that pc at our food table
44:27 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> lol
44:37 <Ysjoelfir> nice
44:55 <Ysjoelfir> my girlfriend now also got home office. which is pretty strange for a kindergartener
47:18 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> ah
47:29 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> does she needs it
49:19 <Ysjoelfir> well.. since they decided to reduce the opening times signifficantly (and change the rules every 4 hours) because of corona they have to provide some kind of work for them
50:13 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> i think we will get more babies to the world by 2021
50:26 <Ysjoelfir> I am working on that
51:17 <rust_collector> NOOOO!!!
51:28 <rust_collector> we don't want more people for christmas
51:44 <rust_collector> there are already waay too many people
53:13 <Ysjoelfir> :P
53:32 <rust_collector> order some from china, if you have to
53:39 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> https://snipboard.io/KRzkxY.jpg <<
54:07 <Ysjoelfir> nah. they tend to decay rather quickly at the moment
54:57 <rust_collector> even better, you get all the fun of that new thing, then they go away, before you get too pissed off
55:31 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> if both couples get "work from home office" .. they will "work on babies"
56:12 <Ysjoelfir> hsn_no_business_knwldge, that guy was pretty active it seems :D
56:30 <Ysjoelfir> lol rust_collector :P
56:34 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> he is "socializing"
56:50 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> going to funurals and so on is pretty common
57:12 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> i know people who go to funurals everymonth twice or 3 times .. thats not even too much
57:16 <Ysjoelfir> what is that "social" you are talking about?
57:59 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> we are talking about this guy : https://snipboard.io/KRzkxY.jpg ?
58:01 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> right?
58:42 <rust_collector> electric funeral
58:42 <Ysjoelfir> yes
58:46 <rust_collector> da da da
58:49 <Ysjoelfir> xD
59:43 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> see he went to burial + funural condolences
00:14 <Ysjoelfir> yikes. that involves meeting those scary things... what are those called.......
00:15 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> its probably not even his relative
00:17 <Ysjoelfir> "people" i think
00:18 <Ysjoelfir> :S
00:43 <rust_collector> huma...something
00:58 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> humans
01:04 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> sry
01:08 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> whomens
01:30 <Ysjoelfir> yikes!
01:34 * Ysjoelfir hides, scared
02:07 <rust_collector> when I was digging graves, there was one old guy that I had to keep away, because he went to everyones funeral, trying to get into the "party" with food after it was done
02:19 <Ysjoelfir> lol
02:31 <Ysjoelfir> pretty smart :D
02:47 <rust_collector> yeah, sure. why not, worth a try
03:58 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> this guy would love our place then
04:32 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> u can get dinner by going to weddings which are normally "open public parties"
04:46 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> for mens
04:47 <rust_collector> that was a nice job. all day, dig a hole or two, sit around, have coffee and biscuits, maybe get some lunch, wait for the people to go away, fill the holes, and go home
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05:14 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds realy nice. :) @both
05:23 <rust_collector> hmm, I am mens enough... I should go there, because I am hungry a lot
05:25 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> so the relatives leave before u fill the holes?
05:29 <rust_collector> yes
05:49 <K> depends on country
06:29 <K> here generally people do not leave before the hole is filled
06:33 <rust_collector> the priest or whatever throws a few spoons of dirt on the box, then people look sad, and go away. then I get to fill the hole, so it does not get too populated
07:46 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUER4ZN2GXA << this is funural
08:01 <Ysjoelfir> In germany it is often even less dirt throwing - you sit in a room at the cemetery, where the box is placed, decoreated with stuff, sad music is playing, everyone is crying, and a priest or something is talking nice words. when it's over, the people leave, and the box gets carried out afterwards.
08:19 <Ysjoelfir> (at least for normal people. if you have money... well, tahts a whole different thing)
08:33 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> wait that link doenst include the hole
09:06 <Ysjoelfir> is everyone trying to cary the dead for a few seconds?
09:11 <Ysjoelfir> *carry
10:24 <rust_collector> I hope I go with a big loud bang, so there is nothing to bury.
10:25 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> yes
10:34 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> https://youtu.be/0C67BCIakgw?t=208 ^^ this one includes the hole
10:57 <Ysjoelfir> [15:10:24] <hsn_no_business_knwldge> yes <-- here the people would be.... I don't know, ashamed? scared?
11:02 <rust_collector> I am not thinking about joining taliban, but there are other explosions available
11:14 <Ysjoelfir> xD
11:49 <Ysjoelfir> hsn_no_business_knwldge - it looks pretty much like a nice meeting of friends that just met to chat and enjoy a beer. sooo different to our culture
11:51 <rust_collector> meh, it makes sense to have had a hand on the box, so you have "helped" carry the person
12:31 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> i know ..
12:37 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> wait
12:46 <rust_collector> there is an empty beer crate in the hole....
12:50 <rust_collector> so... yes
12:51 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> they pray first on him
12:52 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> https://youtu.be/0C67BCIakgw?t=334
12:54 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> here ^^
13:55 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> 6:53 bury
14:22 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> 8:13 actual
14:41 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> ashamed from what?
14:48 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> ysjoelfir ^ ?
14:55 Nick: hsn_no_business_knwldge is now known as hsn
15:23 <Ysjoelfir> in our culture for many people death is a very... scary thing you don't want to come near to
15:36 <Ysjoelfir> I personally don't think so, but many do
15:40 <hsn> oh
15:58 <hsn> no my father is telling me i ll die soon from my childhood
16:00 <hsn> xD
16:18 <Ysjoelfir> many people even believe that dead people are poisonous and that "death liquids" and "death gas" flow out of them when they die
16:29 <rust_collector> that is true
16:30 <Ysjoelfir> he must be a very caring father <3
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16:41 <hsn> he is
16:48 <hsn> he kicked me today
16:52 <hsn> kicked me out
16:57 <rust_collector> the death gas and death liquids are not very pleasant
17:04 <hsn> becuase i went for breakfast and its covid-19
17:15 <rust_collector> for breakfast?
17:36 <hsn> yeah morning i went home to eat breakfast with father mother sister
18:11 <hsn> death gas = some imaginary gas?
18:41 <rust_collector> no, it is actual, and very very smelly
18:45 <hsn> kicked me out = not the way u think .. he said u shouldnt come and reduce coming these days
18:56 <hsn> oh ok i know what u mean
19:26 <hsn> well here they put this thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamomum_camphora
19:46 <rust_collector> I believe you tend to bury people pretty quickly down there? they do not always do that here
20:09 <Ysjoelfir> rust_collector - sure. but what people here think is more like.... a toxic liquid or gas that comes out of dead people, killing everyone who touches it
20:12 <hsn> so the smell is always this thing ^^
20:41 <rust_collector> Ysjoelfir, it feels fucking toxic
21:06 <hsn> isnt it full of bacteria and Mold ?
21:53 <rust_collector> meh, probably bacteria, I am not sure of they get much mold
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22:15 <hsn> rust_collector i cant know what is quick .. usualy when someone dies we bury him next day or same day
22:33 <hsn> if possible .. or asap
22:38 <K> that is quick
22:49 <rust_collector> right. here, you can often be stashed away for almost a week
22:56 <Ysjoelfir> or longer
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23:11 <K> usually not longer than week, but yea, not the next day
23:17 <Ysjoelfir> my dad "waited" in the "freezer" for his burrial for around four weeks.
23:18 <hsn> oh no we have "the dead person doesnt like it" thingy
23:40 <K> he dead, cant like
23:41 <hsn> dont ask me how we know it
23:46 <hsn> xD
23:51 <Ysjoelfir> XD
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25:17 <hsn> for example my cousine had cancer and he was at uk for treatment and died
25:32 <hsn> i think they came back to bahrain in 3 days and buried him
25:37 <hsn> or 4 days
26:10 <rust_collector> i guess it takes some time to organize all that moving aroud stuff
26:16 <hsn> yes
26:26 <hsn> so 4 days is late if local death
33:41 <hsn> ysjoelfir, the crystal u didnt like the footprint because of the "silkscreen layer" ?
43:07 <Ysjoelfir> yes. But it's just personal preference. I name crystals with X?, noch CR?. CR could be sonfused with C or R
48:27 <DHess_US> CR can also be a rectifier.
49:40 <DHess_US> CR: Diode
49:48 <DHess_US> I don't know the origin of that.
50:47 <DHess_US> crystal rectifier
52:42 <hsn> wait .. that was not me
52:58 <hsn> i name them XC
53:18 <hsn> or Xtal
55:30 <hsn> i imported it from ultra library
55:38 <Ysjoelfir> iiiiiiiiiiih
55:48 <Ysjoelfir> kssssssssss!!!!!!!
55:51 * Ysjoelfir hisses at hsn
55:56 <Ysjoelfir> he said the bad word!
56:06 <hsn> ******
56:12 <hsn> shit !! what i should do
56:37 <Ysjoelfir> promise to never use ultra librarian ever again! only when you are lazy.
56:48 <hsn> im lazy :)
56:59 <hsn> why its not good ?
57:14 <hsn> i thought they do IPC stuff footprints .. no ? :X
58:01 <Ysjoelfir> I just always end up on their site if I need to find a 3D model of something, and always note that they DO NOT provide that one I am looking for. which annoys me
58:32 <Ysjoelfir> and the footprints I do most of the time quicker by hand than it takes me to import them into altium
59:18 <Ysjoelfir> also, I like to be able to blame myself if I screw up. I don't like pointing at someone saying: it's their fault that we need to rerun that prototype, just because this one footprint is upside down!
00:49 <hsn> oh yeah i'd blame my self trusting them
01:21 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/lExUL9.jpg how about no
01:21 <hsn> w
02:05 <Ysjoelfir> I like it :)
02:21 <Ysjoelfir> what are those pink lines on J302?
03:29 <hsn> this is strap 0603 the pink are smd outline i would guess. . idk i stole it from microchip or atmel
03:48 <Ysjoelfir> XD
04:34 <hsn> bcz its on mechanical 13
05:18 <hsn> consider it 0ohm resistor if but not mounted
05:42 <hsn> i imagine my self cutting it with knife :)
05:56 <hsn> i hope i dont because my hand will cut the phy chip
06:05 <Ysjoelfir> I'm leaving work
06:08 <Ysjoelfir> cu
06:27 <rust_collector> have enjoys
06:35 <Ysjoelfir> but: that sounds fun, cutting chips^^ do it hsn!
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07:58 <rust_collector> look at mr fancy underpants going home from work at 16.05-ish
08:28 <K> jelly
08:31 <hsn> huh?
08:37 <hsn> https://snipboard.io/N10Hl6.jpg
10:12 <rust_collector> eeh, not really, I was home around 11...
10:47 <rust_collector> where did you find that?
13:05 <hsn> this is not mine
13:16 <hsn> some article about lightening and phy
13:33 <hsn> https://incompliancemag.com/article/designing-ethernet-cable-ports-to-withstand-lightning-surges/
14:03 <rust_collector> uhm, ok
14:33 <hsn> its cool though
14:46 <hsn> i want that happen to my board
14:52 <hsn> to happen *
34:55 <rust_collector> zap!
58:18 <Lemon> ahueahuea
15:32 <Lemon> im sure it will take me days to successfully connect all my four device via gpib/usb
15:42 <Lemon> well first I need to wait a good 2-3 weeks for cables to come
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18:40 <Lemon> for maximum awesomness I'd need an old pc
28:47 <rust_collector> come get....some
28:54 <Lemon> DHess_US hello !! are you there ? :>
29:01 <Lemon> you wanna dance ?
29:04 <Lemon> haha
29:06 <Lemon> good ol duke
29:23 <Lemon> I need a last confirmation before buying cables
29:33 <Lemon> to be sure I'm not doing any mistakes
29:42 <rust_collector> how about using an xbox, the old one. it is a p3 something
29:48 <Lemon> those agilent gpib cables were more than 600 bucks a few years ago
30:07 <Lemon> hmmm I'd prefer an old hp computer but they might be expensive
30:08 <Lemon> nah but its ok
30:15 <Lemon> if it works on my computer in a vm or something its fine
30:40 <rust_collector> old hp and expensive?
30:50 <Lemon> collectibles, sadly
30:57 <Lemon> by old I mean from the 85s/90s
31:01 <Lemon> not your random pavillion
31:05 <rust_collector> only if you ask people who collect them
31:28 <rust_collector> the rest of us are happy if you pick them up
31:34 <Lemon> yeah true
31:40 <Lemon> gotta find that guy
34:03 <rust_collector> Imo, you should have one of those... the first computer I had at home... mom borrowed it from work
34:16 <Lemon> a commodor I bet !
34:22 <Lemon> commodore
34:25 <rust_collector> olivetti m24
34:35 <Lemon> hooooo an olivetti !
34:40 <Lemon> gl to find one cheap nowadays :>
35:34 <rust_collector> but it should fit in your mid-late 80s
38:20 <rust_collector> i was supposed to be in the shower, and to have some slices of bread or something
38:46 <Lemon> heh
38:53 <Lemon> once I have everything setup
38:54 <rust_collector> but, the towels are in the machine, and I am making dinner while I wait
39:03 <Lemon> I want to start a training course, like on the art of electronics book
39:13 <Lemon> and start to learn seriously from basics
41:32 <Lemon> ho I found genuine agilent gpib stackable cables, used but in good condition and cheap
41:35 <Lemon> neat neat
42:10 <rust_collector> you only have one problem with that
42:36 <Lemon> which is ?
45:36 <rust_collector> you have to set up EVERYTHING first
45:55 <Lemon> hay eah thats all the fun part
47:01 <Lemon> ok so 134 euros total
47:14 <Lemon> for 3 agilent gpib stackable cables
47:23 <Lemon> I need two right now, but if I get another instrument I'll be able to connect it
47:27 <rust_collector> will they ship?
47:29 <Lemon> the siglent gen can be connected via usb
47:36 <rust_collector> and will they take your money?
47:39 <Lemon> yeah it comes from UK and china
47:59 <Lemon> its on ebay
52:45 <Lemon> I rreally want an hp 3456a
52:55 <Lemon> if theres one instrument to be used via gpib
52:57 <Lemon> thats this one
54:21 <rust_collector> I wonder where you got your gpib obsession...
54:38 <Lemon> ho its not an obsession, its just a nice thing to control everything via a computer
55:15 <rust_collector> that you obsess about, lol
55:19 <Lemon> for example I can write a small program, so when I probe something with a dmm, I have to let probes long enough till the software says 'ok', and in this window time it takes multiple measurement samples, and average it
56:23 <Lemon> data logging too
56:29 <Lemon> to measure my Vref automaticaly over days
56:45 <Lemon> temperature would be nice too, I saw that its easy to build something for a few euros
56:56 <Lemon> with a sensor accurate to 0.1C and costing 1.7 euros
57:00 <Lemon> I will give it a try
00:06 <Lemon> and also that gpsdo module, I'll be able to monitor it daily, make curves etc etc
00:09 <Lemon> fun stuff !
00:19 <Lemon> I want all that to stay under 200 euros total
00:26 <Lemon> +- 10%
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02:30 <DHess_US> https://i.imgflip.com/3t90jd.jpg
02:49 <Lemon> :>
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03:35 <Ampera> how are people doing
03:38 <Lemon> hey, do you mind confirming to me one last time if those cables are the right ones to connect my instruments via gpib to my computer please ? https://www.ebay.fr/itm/New-In-Box-HP-Agilent-82357B-USB-GPIB-Interface-High-Speed-USB-2-0/392267184467 and those https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Agilent-HP-NI-GPIB-HPIB-Cable-Lead-Various-Lengths-Fast-Dispatch/124079944964?var=424909357122
03:46 <Lemon> im doing good and you ?
06:50 <T3sl4> yeah that should be right
07:22 <Lemon> ok cool thanks :> im going to take three of the stackable ones, so I have a spare one in case I get a 3456a or any other gpib capable instrument
07:45 <Lemon> I want to connect my fluke 8502a, hp 5345a and tek tds 540
07:53 <Lemon> along with the siglent 1032X but this one works on usb
09:05 <Lemon> im sure labview and other softwares to control everything is a ton of fun
16:07 <rust_collector> oh crap, large-ish clive is messing with people again
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36:31 <rust_collector> eeeeegoodnight
37:05 <Lemon> night rust
51:17 <DHess_US> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/03/19/bacd518d871fe6cf.jpg
51:34 <Ysjoelfir> XD
51:40 <Lemon> close to reality !
51:59 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, im ordering gpib cables tonight !
52:29 <Ysjoelfir> i read it. :) have fun
52:39 <Lemon> that will be super cool !!!
53:07 <Lemon> on the two I linked, do you see any mistakes I could have made ? I mean theres not a thousand types of gpib cables no ?
53:39 <Lemon> but yeah it would be fun to find an old computer :>
53:47 <Lemon> idk which one would be affordable and usable
53:54 <Lemon> if you have any ideas !
54:18 <Ysjoelfir> I am playing faktorio right now, so I can't answer all that often^^ But I read what you guys do :P
54:25 <Lemon> ohhhh factorio !!!
54:26 <Ysjoelfir> Ideas?
54:30 <Ysjoelfir> sure
54:36 <Lemon> I grinded this freaking game a year ago xd
54:38 <Ysjoelfir> grab a dual P3 Xeon :P
54:47 <Ysjoelfir> I grind it regularely with a good friend :)
54:53 <Lemon> haha well I thought a lot more ancient than that :P
55:07 <Lemon> but the problem is prices
55:13 <Lemon> they are collectibles
58:53 <Ysjoelfir> don'T go too old. even though GPIB is usually 1MHz, if you want to run complicated scripts you can run into speed limits
59:03 <Lemon> yeah thats true
59:14 <Lemon> a 386 is too old ? :>
00:11 <Lemon> I want to live in the 90s ! with a good ol crt :>
00:19 <Lemon> and mah stack of instruments
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50:37 * Ampera goes grandpa style and smacks Halcyon and T3sl4 in the face with the butt of an M1 Garand
33:45 <DHess_US> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/zQYGdQbt/image.png
49:38 <Halcyon> Anyway, I'm off to Canberra. I may be on throughout the week, but probably not much.
49:38 <T3sl4> cheers :P
49:38 <Ampera> good night friend
49:38 <Halcyon> :P
02:50 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Just got a generous offer of free masks from a Chinese supplier. Because it's getting better there and worse everywhere else, and they now have an over abundance it seems. What a difference a month makes.
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33:01 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Sydney now have our very own plague ship! https://t.co/tfXdAF323C
57:11 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Jonathan Oxer: It still blows my mind that MGRL in Germany can design a complex little machine, I can download the design here in Australia, click "print", add some parts, and now I have his machine too. https://t.co/8gVborpa9r
21:11 <steve30> no shortage of twittering today
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43:40 <Halcyon> Weeee I'm home!
46:45 <steve30> yay a Halcyon
47:01 <Halcyon> :-)
48:50 * steve30 ponders another coffee
51:58 <steve30> I've got to go to the chemist and the butchers this morning, then I've got the air conditioning man coming this afternoon.
57:59 <Halcyon> YAY!
58:01 <Halcyon> More men :)
00:41 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon's lap
00:43 <steve30> I'm sleepy
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34:32 <Ysjoelfir> :O I lost my precious precious voice! Oh noes!
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11:12 <Halcyon> Mmmk I'm back again
11:16 <Halcyon> One of the phases to the house went out
11:43 <Halcyon> I literally just received a replacement battery for the UPS on my desktop PC today and figured I'd install it tomorrow :P
14:35 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Halcyon
15:04 <Ysjoelfir> Sounds like great news for you :P missing phases is always great I have heard
15:37 <Halcyon> Eh, at least 2/3 of my house still had power
16:07 <Ysjoelfir> as long as it was an unimportant third that was unpowered,....
16:46 <Halcyon> Mainly just my computer room and air conditioning that was out
16:58 <Halcyon> The oven, TV and server rack and lights stayed on
17:10 <Ysjoelfir> freezer?
17:36 <Halcyon> Yep
17:43 <Halcyon> It was only out for about 30-40 mins
18:10 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok. then I doubt that it would be a problem at all :D
24:20 <Halcyon> Nah
24:25 <Halcyon> Just couldn't use the computer :P
24:34 <Ysjoelfir> :O
24:41 <Ysjoelfir> omg I'm so sorry!
25:05 <Ysjoelfir> are you ok? do you need medical help?
26:32 <Halcyon> No no, I'm back online now :P
26:44 <Halcyon> But it did give me a chance to change the battery on the UPS, so I should be right now :)
27:03 <Ysjoelfir> you always find something good, even in the absolute worst situations!
27:17 <Halcyon> Worst case, I have wine in the fridge :P
27:44 <Halcyon> Anyway, how are you going?
28:36 <Ysjoelfir> Is the wine ok? :P
28:37 <Ysjoelfir> I somehow feared that question :D
28:58 <Halcyon> Hahaha it's delicious :P
30:34 <Ysjoelfir> [09:27:42] Anyway, how are you going? <-- bad. really bad. :)
31:50 <Halcyon> Why bad?
33:26 <Ysjoelfir> I lost my job on tuesday. or better, got told that I will loose it as soon as I finish this project I work on
35:46 <Halcyon> Oh mate, I'm so sorry :(
39:29 <Ysjoelfir> Thanks :)
41:13 * steve30 hugs Halcyon 
43:43 * Halcyon cuddles Steve back
44:04 <steve30> *purr*
45:18 <steve30> Its nice and sunny today (if a bit cold)
47:40 <Halcyon> It was like 35 here today
49:36 <steve30> I should probably head out
49:41 <Halcyon> Have fun
50:04 <Ysjoelfir> Hafe fun steve :)
50:07 <Ysjoelfir> *have
53:31 <Ysjoelfir> so, Halcyon, what are you up to?
54:18 <Halcyon> Not much
56:03 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds like great fun
56:29 <Ysjoelfir> I would like to sleep all day. maybe fore some weeks. I think that would make me feel better for a few moments :d
56:33 <Ysjoelfir> *:D
56:39 <Halcyon> I'm probably going to have an early night, just back today from a week travelling for work, I am so tired
57:29 <Ysjoelfir> That sounds pretty stressfull
57:41 <Ysjoelfir> (stressfull.. is that even a word?)
58:00 <Halcyon> No
58:03 <Halcyon> But Stressful is
58:03 <Halcyon> :P
00:31 <Halcyon> It wasn't really a stressful week, just long and tiring
03:04 <Ysjoelfir> :P
03:29 * Ysjoelfir is working on his website
03:41 <Ysjoelfir> I want to put a CV up there and present my skills.
03:56 <Ysjoelfir> I was nearly done a few days ago, but now I somehow fucked something up
04:49 <Ysjoelfir> Even installing it new causes an "uncaught exception"
05:47 <Ysjoelfir> --> https://pdi.engineering
06:50 <Ysjoelfir> in the debug log it says that the template (which I didn't change at all) is trying to access an array at index 0. but neither does it tell which array, nor where that happenes
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10:32 <Lemon> hello bois
11:21 <Ysjoelfir> hi cirtoen
33:38 <T3sl4> majestic barn kitty https://i.redd.it/cbfujobemcn21.jpg
34:13 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Well, there goes California: https://t.co/XJ0eWqZW0q And last I heard, silicon valley is in California. Or was that already shut down?
54:41 <Ysjoelfir> oh FFS!
54:50 <Ysjoelfir> I know why I am not a programmer
55:20 <Ysjoelfir> can someone try if https://pdi.engineering is running and not showing unexpected exceptions or shit like that?
56:51 <Lemon> it works here !
57:26 <Ysjoelfir> i hate software :D
58:47 <Ysjoelfir> I noticed that the website is throwing unexpected exceptions (hsn pointed me to that) after I added a bit content. so I thought that I somehow fucked up.
58:56 <Ysjoelfir> ended up deleting everything, still doesn't work
59:23 <Ysjoelfir> it says that it wants to initialize an array at index 0, which doesn't work, so it fucks up.
59:39 <Ysjoelfir> reinstalled the complete cms - STILL not working
00:06 <Ysjoelfir> then I decided to clean up mails and noticed one from my hoster, announcing that PHP 7.4 is now available on my webspace, too
00:10 <Lemon> honestly im not a fan of softwares either :>
00:34 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Storing cash for savings or emergencies is not "hoarding" you morons. https://t.co/AMifJQHJ4M
00:38 <Ysjoelfir> and I remembered that I switched from 7.1 to 7.4 the exact same day when hsn pointed me to that error... switched back to 7.1 - now it works -.-
04:15 <Lemon> heh as long as it works :>
04:26 <Lemon> I have some circular rice thingies with chocolate on top
04:31 <Lemon> this is the real shit
04:36 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, but I'm annoyed.
04:45 <Ysjoelfir> uh, sounds tasty
09:50 <Lemon> fuck I bought the wrong gpib cable... I hope the seller will cancel it fast enough
09:57 <Ysjoelfir> eh?
10:14 <Lemon> there was two, and one was supposedly fake (you can see it with the placement of the agilent logo)
10:27 <Lemon> and I had both open, clicked buy now on the wrong one, insta cancelled it
10:37 <Ysjoelfir> arr
10:42 <Lemon> but its the seller that needs to cancel it now :(
11:32 <Lemon> I paid for express shipping, as I didnt want to wait two months
35:48 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir
35:58 <Lemon> on zener diodes, the black part is the negative right ?
36:13 <Lemon> yes ok
36:15 <Lemon> I got my answer
39:48 <Lord_of_nothing> what is a common side dish for chili con carne beside of bread?
43:01 <Lemon> https://www.electroschematics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pulse-generator.gif?resize=432%2C448
43:05 <Lemon> I dont understand something
43:08 <Lemon> with P1 and P2
43:13 <Lemon> how I'm supposed to wire that ?
46:32 <K> pljek
48:16 <Lemon> do I connect p1 to p2 ?
48:30 <Lemon> why is it connected to the p2 body on the schematic
48:34 <Lemon> instead of a leg
51:56 <K> um, that is a wiper terminal, the middle one on a variable resistor
52:14 <K> or am i misunderstanding the question?
53:02 <Lemon> ha ok thats what I thought but thtey used two resistors in that one
53:08 <Lemon> well I did the same and it worked
53:12 <Lemon> I got pulses yay
53:52 <Lemon> am I an engeener now ?
54:39 <K> everyone is the engeeneer of their own doom and misery, so - yes.
55:07 <Ampera> I've just bought a pinebook pro
56:43 <K> as in - have it in my grubby hands - or just gave money to ceo for next yacht
56:46 <K> ?
01:40 <Lemon> the scope is so loud
02:02 <Ampera> K, somewhere in between
02:10 <Ampera> it's a pre-order for when they start shipping them again in May
05:06 <Lemon> hmmm on this pulse generator theres some overshoot on pulses
05:10 <Lemon> idk if thats called overshoot or not
05:22 <Lemon> like when your probe is overcompensated, with a square wave
05:27 <Lemon> a spike
05:37 <Ysjoelfir> re from lunch
05:40 <Lemon> how can I reduce that spike ? a bigger cap somewhere ?
05:46 <Ysjoelfir> Lord_of_nothing - rice is pretty common
15:08 <Ampera> today sounds like a good day for leftover corned beef
15:14 <Ampera> perhaps as a sandwich on potato bread
15:36 <K> potato bread??!/11
15:45 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, thats tasty
16:06 <K> i'm ashamed to ask, being latvian and all, but - what is potato bread?
16:27 <K> sounds heretic
16:45 <Ysjoelfir> well... it's bread made from potato flour^^
16:52 <Ysjoelfir> and sometimes including some mashed potato as well
17:15 <Ysjoelfir> it can be various things - just normal bread with potato pieces or a bread completely made from potato
17:16 <K> hmm
17:18 <K> wierd.
18:35 <K> we have this dish called "potato-pancakes", which basically is grated potato mixed with an egg, formed in shape of small pancake and baked on a frying pan
19:18 <Ysjoelfir> we call that a Reibekuchen^^
19:23 <Ysjoelfir> and its great
19:32 <K> yes
19:51 <K> quite a lot in latvian quisine comes from germany actually
19:54 <Ysjoelfir> even though reibekuchen would roughly translate to grated cake. which it is clearly not
20:06 <Ysjoelfir> I wonder why :D
21:51 <K> i blame the wanderlust of sons of german shoemakers and bakers and such in the middle ages
22:55 <K> papa didn't have enough deuchmarks to send him to middle east - eh, those easter european savages will do
23:28 <K> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livonian_Order
32:43 <Ysjoelfir> :D
33:18 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir !
33:24 <Lemon> I made this on a breadboard https://www.electroschematics.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/pulse-generator.gif?resize=432%2C448
33:36 <Lemon> I wonder, do you know how to reduce those spikes on pulses ?
34:15 <Ysjoelfir> what spikes?
34:34 <Lemon> theres some small pictures that shows the pulses on a scope
34:40 <Lemon> and you can see some spikes
34:50 <Lemon> like an overcompensated probe you know
34:56 <Lemon> some overshoot
35:03 <Lemon> is it supposed to be like that ?
35:05 <Ysjoelfir> I just see the picture of the schematic
35:12 <Lemon> a shiet wait
35:31 <Ysjoelfir> well, the faster your signal should be the more overshoot is to be expected :)
35:32 <Lemon> javascript://
35:38 <Lemon> >.<
35:41 <Lemon> https://www.electroschematics.com/pulse-generator-with-555/
35:50 <Lemon> the little picture
35:56 <Lemon> theres two of them showing the waveform
36:07 <Lemon> its not really good but you can see a tiny spike at the top of each pulse
37:11 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, thats normal ringing. don't bother with that, it's just a 555 ;)
37:23 <Lemon> ok ! but can you reduce it somehow ?
37:34 <Lemon> or its impossible besides redisigning the 555 ? :>
39:51 <Ysjoelfir> well.... at first you must understand what exactly you see there. immagine you try to move from A to B as fast as possible. So you start running, and to be absolutely the fastest, you won't start to decelerate when you come near the B mark. so you just step a bit farer than B, take a step back, and you're there.
40:24 <Lemon> yeah I get that, isnt there some kind of dampening to be added ?
41:07 <Ysjoelfir> you could just try to slow it down by adding a cap
41:28 <Lemon> thats what I thought but where would you add it ?
41:33 <Lemon> wait
41:35 <Lemon> lemme try to find !
42:04 <Lemon> I thought about the ouput but that sounds too easy
42:14 <Ysjoelfir> try it
42:30 <Lemon> ok lemme turn on the beast
44:51 <K> how long is the ground lead when measuring with scope?
45:19 <K> make it as short as possible, best with that springy-pointy thing
45:59 <K> you should have one with your probe - https://uk.rs-online.com/largeimages/F4376575-01.jpg
46:18 <Lemon> the ground lead is maybe 10cm
46:28 <Lemon> ok so I added a 0.1uf cap
46:33 <Lemon> no much difference
46:37 <Lemon> no difference at all
46:37 <K> shorten the ground lead
47:31 <Lemon> took 5cm off at least
47:33 <Lemon> no differences
47:41 <Lemon> as Ysjoelfir said that must be the 555
47:47 <Lemon> do I need a bigger cap ?
47:50 <Lemon> maybe not on the ouput ?
48:53 <Lemon> lemme double check by ouputing a 1khz square wave from a gen
49:00 <Lemon> to see if its not simply the probe but I dont think so
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52:01 <Lemon> nah its not the probe
52:24 <Lemon> where could I add a cap ? Ysjoelfir, and should I aim for a big one ? like a few uF ?
53:30 <hsn> show me :)
53:34 <hsn> i wasnt here
53:52 <Lemon> https://www.electroschematics.com/pulse-generator-with-555/
53:54 <Lemon> :>
54:36 <Lemon> maybe a cap to ground ?
54:50 <Lemon> it will act as a low pass filter I guess ?
54:53 <Lemon> I dont know a lot about this
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