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00:01:37 <MrMobodies> https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/full-list-treatments-nhs-banning-11616776
00:04:07 <MrMobodies> Some of the things like oils can be purchased but others things cough medicine containing PSEUDOEPH/ CHLORPHENAMINE have to be prescribled by a doctor and they were threaten the penalize them for existing patients.
00:04:47 <MrMobodies> When it comes to breathing with a chronic chest condition it is different.
00:11:21 <T3sl4> Ysjoelfir: https://i.redd.it/jiztjn2d0zo41.jpg
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00:13:53 <coppice_> T3sl4: nothing quite matches the absurdity value of a German love song
00:14:42 <T3sl4> it took until Rammstein for the language to finally find the perfect medium
00:14:50 <T3sl4> or, well, Wagner, but y'know
00:15:30 <Ampera> it took for a bunch of faggots screaming into microphones to truly represent the utility of the German language in music?
00:15:32 <Ampera> g fucking g
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00:18:04 <T3sl4> Ampera, https://i.imgur.com/joxYlPSh.jpg
00:18:20 <Ampera> banned
00:19:06 <coppice_> T3sl4: An ich liebe dick joke?
00:19:27 <T3sl4> javol
00:19:37 <T3sl4> Ampera: https://imgur.com/gallery/F6Suddz
00:20:09 * Ampera kisses T3sl4
00:20:29 * T3sl4 tongues Ampera
00:20:44 <coppice_> Non-traditional? what's non-traditional about following the ancient greeks?
00:21:34 <T3sl4> i know right
00:28:18 <hsn93> owww t3sl4
00:28:37 <hsn93> h r u
00:30:07 <MrMobodies> I remembered that happening a radio station over 10 years ago, Capital FM
00:30:29 <MrMobodies> they had these heavy metal singers who screamed down the microphone and it ruined my day
00:30:55 <MrMobodies> they kiss on stage on that picture
00:31:20 <MrMobodies> the clothes look a bit medieval to me
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00:57:30 <coppice_> MrMobodies: From Jethro Tull forwards, lots of rock bands seem confused as to whether they are really rockers, or folk singers at a medievil fair
00:58:33 <steve30> I just put my mobile phone on and got no less than 8 fragmented SMS messages from the NHS telling something to do with me being extremely vulnerable to coronavirus
01:03:17 <coppice_> watch out for victim cultures
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01:04:10 <Guest|6925> Hi
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01:06:55 <rust_collector> MERRY WEEKEND!!
01:07:58 <hsn93> russsty
01:08:12 <rust_collector> yes?
01:08:23 <hsn93> what u mean with this https://snipboard.io/XtjHdz.jpg
01:08:38 <hsn93> shovel ?
01:08:45 <rust_collector> I was hoping you could tell me?
01:09:03 <hsn93> well its (sand device)
01:09:16 <hsn93> sands device .. if u have plural for sand ?
01:09:22 <rust_collector> I think I found it in the description of a sand blasting something thing
01:09:50 <hsn93> how did u manage to write it down .. oh was it digital document
01:10:02 <rust_collector> copy paste
01:10:13 <hsn93> ok
01:10:37 <hsn93> u was talking about coffin before so i thought u ment shovel
01:11:02 <rust_collector> at least, now I know that there is an arabic version of chinglish as well
01:11:37 <hsn93> of course .. it exists everywhere
01:13:13 <rust_collector> I wonder where that russian guy went. I guess it has been a week since he was here?
01:13:41 <rust_collector> the guy that had a million pics of the armoured cars
01:14:29 <steve30> I deleted some of the NHS SMS messages and even more came through. Do they expect people to take them seriously if they send umpteen nonsensical messages?
01:14:57 <coppice_> steve30: in what sense are they nonsensical?
01:15:45 <steve30> It was sent as umpteen fragmented messages, which cut off mid sentence.
01:16:15 <coppice_> your menan like IRC?
01:16:33 <steve30> Anyway, as an extremely vulnerable person who must stay at home for the next twelve weeks, I'm sure they'll be delighted to know that I've been out every day this week.
01:18:13 <coppice_> I guess my age puts me in their vulnerable group, and I went 130km from home this morning
01:18:58 <coppice_> living on the edge
01:19:08 <steve30> yup
01:21:09 <rust_collector> I think it is pretty weird, because I notice people acting is unusual ways, and some things are closed, but in general, I have not noticed a damn thing. I go to work, go home, go to the store, buy things, fart, and go to bed. same as always
01:21:41 <rust_collector> mmh, there is a lot less traffic, but that is pretty much it
01:21:52 * steve30 fires the coronavirus hose at rust_collector
01:22:03 <rust_collector> hah!
01:22:44 <rust_collector> you can not do much with some tiny viruses here
01:22:46 <coppice_> rust_collector: WAY less traffic. I could sit back and let the car drive itself for long distances on the motorways this morning
01:24:35 <rust_collector> I hope people and companies figure out that they can do a lot from home. I do not think it makes sense that people sit in traffic for an hour or two each morning, just to sit and read emails and fill in forms, then sit in traffic for an hour or two going home
01:25:32 <coppice_> everyone can do a lot from home, like head off to work in the morning
01:49:15 <hsn93> yummy https://www.schaffner.com/product-storage/datasheets/fn-2020/
01:50:52 <rust_collector> that is a nice looking box. is it expensive and /or shiny?
01:52:12 <hsn93> i've no idea but it looks delicious
01:52:21 <hsn93> https://youtu.be/9SJM1Z4G-Oc?t=87 --> make sure it will work
01:52:45 <K> wek.
01:54:22 <hsn93> u will not wek
01:54:30 <hsn93> its simple
01:56:22 <hsn93> https://www.instagram.com/p/B9rway-l3Az/?igshid=1wrklhzclhdk1
01:59:58 <hsn93> anyone recognize this connectors https://snipboard.io/ALtyO6.jpg
02:00:39 <hsn93> are these pheonix connectors?
02:04:02 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
02:04:41 <K> no iedea
02:45:49 <DHess_US> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612210486645096478/692645334823993344/image0.jpg
02:59:22 <hsn93> hey DHess_US,
02:59:35 <hsn93> good weekend to u ,, c u take care
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04:36:58 <Guest|49317> Where was this made in? Brymen BM235
04:40:22 <rust_collector> probably taiwan, but maybe somewhere else in asia
04:44:08 <Guest|49317> I can't find that info on the internet, I wanted to know exactly where this was made in.
04:45:05 <rust_collector> ok, good luck. you could ask brymen, I guess
04:45:16 <Guest|49317> Alright!
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04:46:35 <rust_collector> yep
04:51:47 <Lemon> waddup thugs
04:51:53 * Ampera hugs Lemon
04:51:58 <Ampera> was just thinking about you
04:54:47 <rust_collector>
05:00:22 <Lemon> awww
05:01:41 <rust_collector> , , .
05:01:44 <Ampera> I'm listening to live recordings of Dion (w/wo the Belmonts) while pretending to work
05:02:30 <Lemon> heh nice, im looking at some OCXO to grab a few, and measure them
05:02:41 <Ampera> OCXO?
05:02:49 <Lemon> oven controlled crystal oscillators
05:03:59 <Ampera> I've never seen someone spell crystal with an X
05:04:02 <Lemon> I should soon get a gpib to usb cable, so I will be able to connect multiple instruments to my workstation
05:04:05 <Ampera> nor any of the words within that initialism
05:04:13 <Lemon> wellll in fact we write them like this
05:04:26 <Lemon> TCXO, OCXO, etc
05:04:52 <Lemon> I should receive soon a GPSDO module
05:04:58 <Lemon> which will be my main reference
05:05:22 <rust_collector> in my old rc car things, the crystals were marked x-tal
05:05:50 <Ampera> I should probably setup a raspi and get my pinetime devkit going
05:06:23 <Lemon> I guess its to avoid confusion with the C of controlled for example
05:06:44 <Ampera> but OCCO would make sense
05:06:50 <Ampera> Oven Controlled Crystal Oscillator
05:07:12 <Lemon> yeah but its easier to use an X, that way you know where is the Crystal in the acronym
05:07:14 <Lemon> I guess
05:07:19 <Lemon> both make sense to me, honestly
05:07:28 <Lemon> but yeah I want to learn more about them
05:07:51 <Lemon> and with that gpib cable, I'll also get to learn more about measurements on the long term, gaussian distributions, or whatever
05:07:58 <Lemon> im so impressed by my hp counter
05:08:05 <Lemon> it goes down to fucking 100 picohertz !!
05:08:21 <Lemon> it displays 11 digits total
05:08:26 <Lemon> thats very nice honestly
05:08:37 <Lemon> I'll connect the gpsdo to use it as a standard
05:08:47 <Lemon> I see myself getting a rubidium soon :>
05:09:53 <rust_collector> a cubic meter of rubidium
05:10:18 <rust_collector> sort of expensive, but free shipping...
05:11:07 <Ampera> rubidium is particularly expensive
05:11:15 <Ampera> I believe it's even more expensive than Caesium
05:15:13 <rust_collector> some times, I wonder if people make "high end" things out of incredibly expensive materials, just because they can, and it makes it seem better, even if the thing could work if it was made of cardboard
05:17:22 <Lemon> rubidium standards ?
05:17:27 <Lemon> nahh its way cheaper than cesium
05:17:48 <Lemon> you can get some 'cheap' rb modules for 150-200 euros
05:17:55 <Lemon> caesium standards are another thing
05:18:06 <Lemon> you can multiply that by at least 30-40
05:18:09 <rust_collector> but the material itself...
05:18:37 <Lemon> ha the material I have no idea, I'd say caesium is more expensive
05:18:48 <rust_collector> could be something like, rubidium standards use 1/50th of the material to work?
05:18:53 <Lemon> if not we would see cheap standards with caesium instead of rubidium
05:19:09 <Lemon> hmmm it could be yeah I was thinking of that
05:19:19 <Lemon> on top of caesium, theres hydrogen masers
05:19:26 <Lemon> which are the current most accurate frequency standards
05:19:37 <Lemon> but we talks in hundreds of thousands of dollars
05:19:54 <Lemon> you could get an old hp caesium standard for around 7-10k usd
05:19:55 <rust_collector> sounds like a good diy project
05:20:01 <Lemon> an hydrogen masers, its another level
05:20:08 <Lemon> it weights a good metric ton
05:20:36 <Lemon> but getting a few cheap old OCXO could be fun, to measure them and see how good they are
05:20:42 <rust_collector> a ton of gravel also does, but it is cheap and easy to get
05:20:47 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/1pcs-Used-Bliley-NV47A1282-10MHz-5V-Sine-Wave-OCXO-Crystal-Oscillator/293167627513?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D75895ee2c27a497b802db63249895239%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D283757597457%26itm%3D293167627513%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
05:20:50 <Lemon> like those, for example
05:21:18 <rust_collector> yeah, look at that sort of stuff, I think
05:22:11 <Lemon> the gpsdo module im going to get soon is quite accurate, on the long term
05:22:26 <Lemon> as it locks on a sattelite which ouputs a frequence out of cesium standards
05:22:48 <Lemon> so it will be more than enough to use it as a reference for my counter, and characterize OCXO's
05:23:00 <Lemon> even a Rb standard in fact
05:23:22 <Lemon> OCXO got the advantage of being more accurate on the short term, if I got it right
05:23:55 <rust_collector> what is short term?
05:24:17 <Lemon> a few seconds/minutes
05:24:26 <rust_collector> okay
05:25:11 <rust_collector> how fast do they heat up and stabilize?
05:25:30 <Lemon> hmmm I think its like 10 minutes ? im not sure
05:25:46 <Lemon> but its much faster compared to a GPSDO module that needs to be on for hours/days to be stable
05:26:10 <Lemon> a gspdo is basically a OCXO displined by a gps module
05:26:29 <Lemon> it takes data over time, and it stabilize itself
05:26:35 <Lemon> well im not explaining it correctly
05:26:37 <Lemon> but you get the idea
05:27:08 <Lemon> but for someone who likes to see a lot of digits, time is great
05:27:17 <Lemon> you dont need thousands of dollars of equipement
05:27:34 <Lemon> a 100 euros gpsdo module is already accurate to 10e-11 or even more
05:33:40 <Lemon> but im thinking more and more at an ups, its been a long time since I want one
05:34:04 <Lemon> at least for my workstation, and a few things that needs to be powered on 24/24 like the gpsdo, maybe some refs, instruments for monitoring etc
05:34:14 <Lemon> so like I need a good 1500w one
05:34:17 <Lemon> thats what, 2200VA ?
05:35:07 <rust_collector> yeah. I have been thinking about it too. We have had pretty much rock stable power for 20 years, but for the last year or so, we have had some brown and blackouts
05:37:01 <Lemon> exactly the same problem here, for some weird reasons
05:37:31 <Lemon> gladly its my father that did the electrical installation, so at least we have no damages if a surge happens
05:43:16 <Ampera> my eyes are fucking irritated as all hell
05:43:18 <Ampera> and I have no idea why
05:43:58 <Lemon> too much screen time maybe ?
05:44:31 <Ampera> no it's like allergies
05:45:25 <Lemon> ha well, its the season I guess
05:45:28 <Lemon> maybe pollen
05:46:22 <Ampera> nah it's dust, that's the only thing I know I might be allergic to
05:46:34 <Ampera> I took some cetrizine, that usually helps calm it down
05:47:44 <Lemon> hope it will resolve soon !
05:47:52 <Lemon> im so tired of my tooth pain
05:47:59 <Lemon> its been what, 3 months now ?
05:48:26 <Lemon> 3 trips to the dentist, it helped a bit but now I need to have 5 taken out, and my appointement got cancelled because of the virus...
05:50:27 <Lemon> I hope the puck antenna that comes with the gpsdo will be fine
05:54:48 <Lemon> anyway I will probably get a nice big waterproof antenna
05:55:00 <Lemon> the more satellites it sees, the more accurate the ouput will be
06:06:23 <DHess_US> https://img.pr0gramm.com/2020/03/26/9ac301b40bf10ff4.jpg
06:06:32 <DHess_US> Lemon, no.
06:06:43 <DHess_US> What matters are satellites with high quality signals.
06:07:14 <Lemon> yes that too, but its not better to have more satellites visible ? I keep reading that here and there
06:07:15 <DHess_US> So there may be a benefit to blocking satellites which are low on the horizon and this is commonly done deliberately with GPSes in timing applications.
06:07:18 <Lemon> and it kinda made sense
06:07:43 <Lemon> but yeah it totally make sense, signal quality of the satellite matter the most
06:08:21 <Lemon> from what I read, they use caesium standards that are calibrated and adjusted with hydrogen masers that are on earth
06:09:28 <Lemon> ho btw DHess_US, I played more with my HP counter, and it indeed goes down to 100 picohz when I measure a 1hz signal !
06:09:47 <Lemon> I cant find the accuracy in the manual
06:10:01 <Lemon> I doubt that its accurate down to even nanohz
06:10:13 <Lemon> maybe ? who knows
06:12:39 <Lemon> and also, those little OCXO you can find on ebay for 15-20 dollars, even less for some (bliley, oscilloquartz, etc) you just need to apply the right voltage on the right pins, and it ouputs 10Mhz ?
06:12:47 <Lemon> or you need to implement it in a circuit ?
06:14:57 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/10-MHz-OCXO-Quarz-Vectron-OC-160-Oven-Controlled-Crystal-Oscillator/283757597457
06:15:00 <Lemon> this one for example
06:15:24 <Lemon> I wanted to get a few, and have fun measuring them over a period of a few days, for example, and see which one is accurate, stable, etc
06:17:25 <rust_collector> https://youtu.be/qgx5irXXSFQ?t=356
06:18:36 <Lemon> ho I watched it !
06:18:41 <Lemon> I like this guy
06:19:01 <rust_collector> he is probably a nice enough guy
06:19:23 <rust_collector> but that does show what you need to make such a thing run, I believe
06:19:25 <Lemon> I could try that
06:19:31 <Lemon> ok that confirms it
06:19:32 <Lemon> thanks !
06:19:42 <Lemon> I have a few of those oscillators
06:19:47 <Lemon> with random frequencies
06:20:32 <rust_collector> that is the budget version. some are 10mhz, some are 27, some are marked "random" they are the cheap ones
06:21:04 <Lemon> yeah ima grab 2-3 10Mhz OCXO's of various brands
06:21:09 <Lemon> and have fun measuring them
06:21:17 <Lemon> I really need the gpib cable
06:21:21 <Lemon> I got the stackable ones today
06:21:26 <Lemon> so I just miss the gpib/usb interface
06:21:38 <rust_collector> I need you to get that too
06:23:37 <Lemon> yeah I cant wait to set it up
06:23:59 <Lemon> I'll dedicate the fluke to measure the Vref, the counter to measure various OCXO but probably the GPSDO first
06:24:14 <Lemon> I really need a second 6.5 dmm (hp 3456a please) and a second counter
06:24:43 <MrMobodies> Hello
06:24:52 <rust_collector> hoi
06:25:11 <Lemon> hi boi
06:25:13 <MrMobodies> Isn't it strangem when one of the domains on Godaddy are about to renew I get phising mails to fake portals and they are all linked to Gogdday.
06:25:33 <MrMobodies> https://imgur.com/a/ZEK9Gwa
06:26:30 <MrMobodies> I have had mails last year and the year before but only when they auto renew
06:26:50 <MrMobodies> Anybody had a similar pattern with phising?
06:27:18 <MrMobodies> it's as if there is an insider working there
06:28:17 <MrMobodies> that's a nice multimeter
06:28:18 <MrMobodies> https://xdevs.com/doc/HP_Agilent_Keysight/3456A/img/face_1.jpg
06:30:51 <Lemon> yeah I love it
06:31:00 <Lemon> and its accuracy is almost the same as mine I think
06:31:04 <MrMobodies> I have found something interesting in there
06:31:27 <MrMobodies> squared in red
06:31:28 <MrMobodies> blob:https://imgur.com/63ce32d7-4ffa-4409-9d5e-91ec8d5bb033
06:31:30 <MrMobodies> oops
06:31:37 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/YwShJ5o.jpg
06:32:01 <MrMobodies> Are they mounted on solder balls on BGA?
06:32:40 <Lemon> maybe, I dont really know
06:32:55 <Lemon> tektronix got some chips like that too, with a weird looking flat heatsink on top
06:34:52 <rust_collector> I have a feeling they are not on balls. but I know nothing.
06:35:07 <rust_collector> except that I am ready for my nap
06:35:21 <rust_collector> good night etc.
06:35:34 <MrMobodies> nighty
06:35:38 <MrMobodies> https://xdevs.com/doc/HP_Agilent_Keysight/3456A/img/orig_induct.jpg
06:35:46 <MrMobodies> is that from the 1970's?
06:37:04 <MrMobodies> oh sorry 1982. It looks ahead of its time
06:37:20 <MrMobodies> http://bee.mif.pg.gda.pl/ciasteczkowypotwor/HP/3456A%20.pdf
06:37:26 <Lemon> it was once the golden standard
06:37:41 <MrMobodies> the first I have seen them use a BGA
06:37:43 <Lemon> most people prefer it to the 3457, in fact I think its better
06:37:50 <Lemon> the 3457 is noisier, if im right
06:38:56 <Lemon> Id like to find one for 200-250 euros max
06:39:07 <MrMobodies> https://xdevs.com/doc/HP_Agilent_Keysight/3457A/img/3457_All_3.jpg
06:39:25 <Lemon> I also prefer its look over the 3457
06:39:51 <MrMobodies> On that 10f6-0066 package I wonder if there is a window they covered up....
06:40:08 <MrMobodies> it has a different shade to the rest of the package
06:40:16 <Lemon> in instruments, besides the 3456a I want another hp counter with at least 11 digits
06:41:24 <Lemon> and besides that, I'd like to get various OCXO's, a rubidium standard... many other thingies
06:44:19 <MrMobodies> this one
06:44:25 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-Keysight-Agilent-53132A-Universal-Frequency-Counter-12-digits-s/263985024519
06:44:53 <MrMobodies> oh it is £999
06:45:01 <Lemon> yes a tad too expensive lol
06:45:19 <Lemon> for the counter I'll spend maybe the same amount as the dmm, 200-250 euros max
06:45:27 <Lemon> I have a hp 5345a right now
06:46:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-5345A-Zahler-Counter-1-500-MHz/123871166213?hash=item1cd74bff05:g:aWsAAOSw~YldTTfT
06:47:01 <MrMobodies> but I see it is missing a module
06:47:05 <Lemon> but for now, ima get a few OCXO's and wait till I receive the gpib/usb cable, and the gpsdo module
06:47:21 <Lemon> so I'll have fun and learn some python, to set up the computer measurement lab
06:47:39 <Lemon> ho in fact its for plugins
06:47:42 <Lemon> I dont have one either on mine
06:47:51 <MrMobodies> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HP-5345A-Electronic-Universal-Counter-500-MHz-W-5355A-Frequency-Module-AS-IS/143487976743
06:47:55 <MrMobodies> on the right
06:48:43 <Lemon> yep its a plugin
06:48:54 <Lemon> stock they come like the first one you linked
06:49:03 <Lemon> with or without internal options
06:49:08 <Lemon> mine got the high stability OCXO
06:49:23 <MrMobodies> and they are selling it faulty for that price
06:49:37 <Lemon> im blessed to have it, mamalala gave it to me, along with the fluke 8502a full option and various other thingies
06:50:37 <MrMobodies> that's nice, to build you electronic lab
06:51:15 <MrMobodies> and you post pictures of it
06:51:43 <Lemon> yeah im really happy with it, the full list of what I currently use is :
06:51:54 <Lemon> tektronix 2245, tektronix tds 540 as scopes
06:52:19 <Lemon> topward tps-4000, gossen konstanter 32v/2a, sodilec 9v/2.4a, uniroi 30v/5a power supplies
06:52:24 <MrMobodies> you can measure things easily and know where you stand
06:52:29 <Lemon> keithley 175, fluke 8502a multimeters
06:52:37 <Lemon> hp 5345a counter
06:52:42 <Lemon> siglent 1032X arb gen
06:52:47 <Lemon> xjw01 lcr meter
06:52:55 <Lemon> and a few analog meters, dmms etc
06:53:15 <Lemon> add to that other things that I dont use, because they need repair, or because I simply dont need them right now
06:53:26 <Lemon> like two 2Mhz function gen, the siglent outperform them
06:53:41 <Lemon> theres a nice one, a 30Mhz function/sweep gen, I need to repair the trigger function
06:53:46 <MrMobodies> I think I saw pictures your posted a month ago, it looked really nice wi
06:53:50 <MrMobodies> I think you said about building a battery power supply with 30+ cells
06:54:16 <Lemon> hooo that one ! well it was a ebike battery that I built a few years ago, with 52 cells ! I disassambled it to build various packs :>
06:54:28 <Lemon> like a 3 cells for the lcr meter, 4 cells for a Vref, etc
06:54:32 <Lemon> its really handy to have them
06:54:49 <MrMobodies> I see you are using them for your test gear
06:54:54 <MrMobodies> very handy
06:55:04 <Lemon> and so I purchased a gpib to usb cables, aswell as 3 stackable gpib cables to connect the fluke dmm, hp counter and the tek tds 540 to my computer
06:55:17 <Lemon> so I can talk to them via gpib :>
06:55:32 <Lemon> I already received stackable cables but not the gpib/usb one
06:55:52 <Lemon> add to that a gpsdo, that I should get in a few days
06:55:55 <Lemon> to use as a standard in the lab
06:56:12 <MrMobodies> maybe you can post some pictures when it is finished
06:56:17 <MrMobodies> I'd like to see
06:56:45 <MrMobodies> you are like a micro-electronics man.
06:57:08 <Lemon> ho sure ! a micro electronics man ? :>
06:57:44 <MrMobodies> yes, the pictures looked exciting to me
06:58:37 <MrMobodies> I mean the one with the oven on the right and the cat sitting on a stand on the left
06:58:53 <Lemon> haaa yes ! thats what I brought from germany :>
06:59:06 <Lemon> lemme take a quick pic of the current desk
07:00:21 <MrMobodies> and a I thought there was CRT montior that was was Packard bell but I think you said it was a Sony.
07:00:37 <Lemon> right, a good ol sony :>
07:01:03 <MrMobodies> I regret throwing my Trinitron out. It was given to me but I had no space left.
07:01:26 <Lemon> yeah they are huge anchors
07:01:33 <MrMobodies> It was a 21" Dell rebranded one with two vga inputs
07:02:04 <MrMobodies> it was flat and pleasant to look at
07:02:25 <Lemon> they were really nice ! my father had one I think
07:02:28 <Lemon> the sony is flat too
07:02:36 <Lemon> its starting to show its age but well
07:02:42 <Lemon> fine enough to watch netflix on it
07:02:51 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/2Z1gb5I
07:02:54 <Lemon> heres the desk !
07:03:30 <Lemon> shit the light is really bad
07:03:43 <Lemon> latest additions are the big scope on the right, and on its left the little siglent generator
07:03:51 <Lemon> they are really dope
07:04:09 <Lemon> I still need to hack the generator, it can go up to 60Mhz once hacked
07:04:24 <Lemon> but well its already plenty, I just use it to ouput fun waves to the scope lol
07:04:25 <MrMobodies> that looks nice
07:04:28 <MrMobodies> with all the lights
07:04:36 <MrMobodies> I like it dark
07:05:25 <Lemon> looks way better irl, trust me, it really takes shitty pictures !
07:05:32 <Lemon> I just have a little desk lamp on the right
07:05:42 <Lemon> I had a third screen, but as you see I needed space for the scope lol
07:05:44 * steve30 wakes up
07:05:50 <Lemon> morning !
07:05:50 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/ExZIm3s.jpg
07:05:51 * Ampera smells steve30's roses
07:05:56 <MrMobodies> I brightene dit up a little
07:06:48 <Lemon> heh nice we can see instruments a bit now :>
07:07:01 <Lemon> but yeah its pretty stacked, no much room left
07:07:07 <MrMobodies> I can see, you coke, mouse ball and cutters
07:07:21 <Lemon> if mondial relay once start to send stuff again, I should get another lab supply
07:07:27 <Lemon> its stuck because of the fucking virus
07:07:41 <Lemon> the little leatherman micra :>
07:07:46 <Lemon> such a nice tool
07:08:05 <Lemon> in the circle littl box theres crocodile clips that connects on 4mm banana jacks
07:08:09 <Lemon> and a 3db attenuator
07:08:21 <Lemon> same, I have many attenuators/adapters stuck with the lab supply...
07:08:36 <Lemon> one more day and it would have been ok
07:08:46 <Lemon> but no, now I have to wait until this shitshow ends
07:08:57 <Lemon> I whine like a spoiled kid
07:09:29 <MrMobodies> https://i1.adis.ws/i/jpl/bl_149982_a
07:09:37 <MrMobodies> looks well built
07:10:34 <MrMobodies> I can't get any cough medicine, when they did prescibed the banned one I was told they had none left to prescibe
07:10:52 <MrMobodies> My friend who has cancer had his treatment stopped
07:11:20 <MrMobodies> and he can't go in for checkups as it is full of Corona patients
07:11:58 <MrMobodies> oh and yes the supermarkets many of them are emtpy
07:12:10 <MrMobodies> but the little corner shops do have a few things in there
07:12:52 <Lemon> yeah I read that earlier, that sucks :/ im a bit concerned too about mine, I need to get it on tuesday next week
07:13:11 <MrMobodies> your medicine?
07:13:53 <Lemon> yeah I take methadone daily, I had some problems with drugs, years ago
07:15:27 <MrMobodies> I find over the counter cough medicines don't work for me, they do nothing and my cough goes on for months
07:15:59 <Lemon> yeah sadly it doesnt work everytime
07:16:21 <MrMobodies> So a doctor gave a prescription, one that works. Now the ministers are saying if it is sold over the counter it is banned regardless of the differents strenghts for different conditions.
07:16:31 <MrMobodies> It is called Galpseud Plus
07:16:43 <MrMobodies> 4 seconds and it opens the airways, and all the flem turns in water
07:16:55 <MrMobodies> and it lasts long too
07:18:36 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/6rxQLEm.jpg
07:19:15 <MrMobodies> but it has to be prescribed by a doctor which means I may have to go private.
07:19:51 <MrMobodies> the NHS has banned prescription medicines to save money they are saying for short term.
07:20:09 <Lemon> ha we have a similar case in france, they banned many things for no reasons
07:20:22 <Lemon> well, financial reasons
07:21:23 <MrMobodies> most of the cough medicines now contain... Nasal spray stuff? 15% efficient
07:21:40 <MrMobodies> that stuff stops me coughing
07:21:55 <MrMobodies> they say it is based on the older cough medicine
07:22:09 <steve30> I never found any medicines that worked for my nasal issues, although I never tried pseudoephedrine. I did get surgery eventually though because my septum was wonky.
07:22:19 <MrMobodies> now I read some have found a way make Crystaline Meth out of it. so they banned it in many countries
07:23:08 <MrMobodies> I fins that very effective
07:23:27 <MrMobodies> I had over 2 months of hell, with a cough in late 2017
07:24:13 <MrMobodies> I tried Lemsip, Benylin and all sorts, it made stranfe artififacts in my visiion
07:24:36 <MrMobodies> and that is my doctor recommended it the Galpseud plus. I didn't want it at first but I tried one spoon and yeah that works for me
07:25:00 <MrMobodies> I think I might have overdose on the others to do with the artificats
07:27:58 <MrMobodies> many years ago there use to be a nose thing made by Vix, it worked for a minute but it clogged nose even more.
07:47:00 <MrMobodies> I found out today that my ISP will not issue IPV6 addresses until they run out of IPV4.
07:47:40 <steve30> that sucks
07:47:41 <MrMobodies> which is disappointed. I know someone on BT home who was give one
07:47:44 <steve30> which ISP?
07:47:58 <MrMobodies> XLN/Onebill and they use the Talktalk network
07:48:30 <MrMobodies> I couldn't speak over the phone to them, and to use the website chat
07:48:54 <MrMobodies> it was an Indian who told me that so I sent an email detailing my disatisfaction
07:49:34 <MrMobodies> oh and some questions on how they will migrate over or whether I can keep the IPV4 addresses
07:50:08 <steve30> I think many will be dual-stack for some time
07:50:11 <MrMobodies> it is so I run some experiments, I had a network interface on the firewall and switch all setup
07:50:23 <MrMobodies> and i wanted to test IPV4 tunelling with it
07:50:42 <MrMobodies> maybe they are just behind a bit
07:50:58 <MrMobodies> but they are very good sending out Openreach when there are problems
07:51:19 <MrMobodies> do that with Sky and according to my neighbours they don't want to know
07:51:51 <MrMobodies> they were left without broadband for about 3 weeks
07:52:17 <MrMobodies> I came in and traced back to the post the Royal Mail knocked down which is outside of my house
07:54:48 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/10-MHz-OCXO-Quarz-Vectron-OC-160-Oven-Controlled-Crystal-Oscillator/283757597457?hash=item4211455311:g:RPwAAOSwi-heLcBr this one tempt me
07:54:55 <Ampera> I've been running tunnel broker for a while and have been /really/ using it
07:55:04 <Ampera> like it handles all traffic that's not IPv4 only
07:58:15 <MrMobodies> that's nice
07:58:38 <MrMobodies> I think you mentioned about it and showed a link
07:59:28 <Ampera> idk what I showed, but my website amperaa.net is ipv6 capable
07:59:43 <Ampera> with 3LD's for ipv4 and ipv6 testing (ipv4.amperaa.net and ipv6.amperaa.net)
08:04:36 <MrMobodies> found it 24/12/19
08:04:37 <MrMobodies> 02:01] <@Ampera> I have a tunnel broker, which has actually been excellent, so I'm alright for now.
08:04:37 <MrMobodies> [02:01] <MrMobodies> broker?
08:04:37 <MrMobodies> [02:02] <@Ampera> https://tunnelbroker.net/
08:04:37 <MrMobodies> [02:02] <DHess_US> AT&T blocked IPv6 tunnels.
08:04:53 <Ampera> ah
08:04:56 <MrMobodies> Now that is going to be very handy if it I can get it working
08:05:05 <Ampera> do you use pfsense?
08:05:09 <MrMobodies> yes
08:05:15 <MrMobodies> that 2.5 dev
08:05:15 <Ampera> alright then I can show you how to set it up
08:05:22 <Ampera> want me to try over the weekend?
08:05:22 <MrMobodies> wonderful
08:05:43 <MrMobodies> if you are willing that would be great
08:05:54 <MrMobodies> is there something I can do for you in return?
08:05:58 <Ampera> nope
08:06:04 <Ampera> I just like helping people out with tech
08:06:09 <Ampera> and I've done it before so it should be simple enough
08:06:17 <MrMobodies> A community asset...
08:06:37 <MrMobodies> I have copies of the firewall incase anything goes wrong as it did for me
08:06:57 <Ampera> anyways I'm going to go to bed
08:06:58 <Ampera> good night
08:07:03 <MrMobodies> okay nighty
08:07:34 <MrMobodies> if it breaks I have another SSD copy, a minutes recovery
08:09:42 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/EFRATOM-LPRO-101-Rubidium-Oscillator-output-10MHz/143122503625?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Dff0c480a6704492a9b6be310649ee3c5%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D253699291689%26itm%3D143122503625%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 I wonder how long such a rubidium standard will last
08:32:29 <MrMobodies> Has that got an oven in there or a lamp acting as one?
08:33:48 <coppice_> Lemon: most of the ones made for cellular base stations seem to be built for 20 years operation
08:37:19 <Lemon> yeah I have read that value, I don't know if they actually last longer or not
08:44:14 <coppice_> Lemon: they have a fairly predictable use up rate, so they don't last much longer than they say. Many of them can be interrogated for the powered on hours figure
08:44:43 <Lemon> but its 20 years 24/7 right ?
08:44:49 <Lemon> yeah it is
08:44:59 <Lemon> hmm well I'll see when I actually need one
08:45:12 <coppice_> of course, they are made for base stations running continuously
08:48:19 <Lemon> first I want to grab a few OCXO's to measure them and have some fun
08:48:26 <Lemon> see if theres some really good one out there
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16:04:31 <DHess_US> https://reason.com/2020/03/23/pa-governor-marshmellow-peeps-are-life-sustaining-production-can-continue-during-covid-19-emergency/
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17:26:00 <T3sl4> Attention. Blep alert. https://i.redd.it/70dqhrvhw2p41.jpg
17:35:19 <Halcyon> BRB, need to cycle my internets
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17:38:56 <Halcyon> Foom
17:41:00 * T3sl4 pats Halcyon gently on the left buttcheek
17:41:08 <Halcyon> Ooooh :)
17:41:11 <Halcyon> Tickles
17:41:43 <T3sl4> Tickles The Clown?
17:45:25 <Halcyon> What's doing T3sl4 ?
17:45:44 <T3sl4> headed to bed soon
17:46:01 <T3sl4> i'd say isolating, but it's pretty much life as usual for me :P
17:46:13 <Halcyon> Heh
17:46:20 <Halcyon> Likewise, except I get to work from home
17:46:22 <Halcyon> Weeeeee!
17:48:41 * Halcyon nibbles on some Cheddar
18:05:56 <T3sl4> i have two work meetings tomorrow
18:06:24 <T3sl4> i may actually put on a shirt and pants, in case webcam proves useful
18:09:24 <Halcyon> You don't need pants, you just need to be sitting
18:11:39 <T3sl4> yeah well, if i should stand up for any reason, my flaccid dick is perfectly in frame of the laptop's cam :P
18:11:54 <Halcyon> You can just roll out of frame, then stand up
18:12:05 <Halcyon> But should that happen, I want a copy of the video :P
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18:22:08 * Ampera coughs on Halcyon
18:22:23 <Halcyon> I love when you share your secretions with me :)
18:22:37 <Halcyon> How are you friend?
18:22:47 <Ampera> blech
18:23:06 <Halcyon> *hugs*
18:23:45 <Ampera> UPS is dragging ass delivering my headphones
18:24:00 <Halcyon> Same with your Voodoo card it seems
18:24:04 <Ampera> it's not like it's a pandemic
18:24:06 <Halcyon> Damn virus bullshit
18:24:10 <Ampera> well no the card isn't via UPS
18:24:14 <Halcyon> Oh?
18:24:22 <Ampera> well no
18:24:32 <Ampera> you shipped it via a postal service, not a courier
18:24:45 <Halcyon> Oh yes, sorry, USPS, UPS, potato potato
18:24:58 <Ampera> they're quite different
18:25:03 <Ampera> one is profitable, one is most certainly not
18:25:09 <Halcyon> I know :)
18:26:35 <Halcyon> I'm making steak with mash and mushroom sauce for din dins :)
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18:49:57 <Ysjoelfir> hello all
18:50:47 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
18:51:06 <Ysjoelfir> hi Halcyon
18:51:30 <Halcyon> What's doing?
18:51:39 <Ysjoelfir> how are you? all good down there? no more fires, no floods, not that much ssick people?^^
18:52:10 <Ysjoelfir> sitting in front of the work PC which is now in my hobby room at home
18:52:28 <Ysjoelfir> trying to find motivation to do something productive while I am still at that employer
18:54:37 <Halcyon> Aww
19:02:38 <Ysjoelfir> Nah. It'll work out in the end I guess
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20:24:56 <Ysjoelfir> damn corona makes my internet unstable :X
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20:40:56 <Lemon> hello peeps
20:41:43 <Halcyon> Ysjoelfir: Maybe you didn't buy enough toilet paper
20:41:44 <Halcyon> :P
20:41:49 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
20:46:18 <Ysjoelfir> maybe!
20:46:21 <Ysjoelfir> hi Lemon
20:59:01 <Lemon> thats it I think the time nut bit me
20:59:18 <Halcyon> Time nut?
21:16:10 <Lemon> you know, this addiction where you get more and more test equipement related to time/frequency measurement :>
21:33:19 <Lemon> hooo I just received the official stand for the ts100, its so cute !
21:33:31 <Lemon> it comes in a mini transparent plastic box with rubber padding haha
21:33:35 <Lemon> really nice quality
21:34:13 <Lemon> woaaahhh the mini sponge expanded like fuck xD
21:40:57 <Lemon> I wonder if building a 3.5mm jack rs232 to usb cable is difficult or not
21:41:05 <Lemon> it looks easy to me
21:51:35 <K> hello
21:54:35 <Lemon> hi K
22:03:19 <Lemon> well, as the guy isnt answering about the probe I bought from him, ima ask ebay for a refund, and take this one https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Tektronix-P6139A-500Mhz-10M-8-0pF-10x-Passive-Probe-TDS3000-TDS500-Oscilloscope/402160697756?hash=item5da2a5419c:g:TzgAAOxyoA1RQUth
22:03:28 <Lemon> its cheaper, and looks legit to me
22:03:45 <Lemon> if anyone can see and tell me his opinion, if its legit or not, I'd appreciate it
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22:16:43 <Lemon> waddup Ysjoelfir !
22:17:02 <Ysjoelfir> I am not.
22:17:07 * Ysjoelfir goes to bed to take a nap now
22:17:11 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:23:01 <Lemon> heh I just woke up but I think im going to do the same
22:31:49 <Lemon> ho btw Ysjoelfir ! you remember that 3.5mm rs232 to usb cable, do you think I can make it myself ? it doesnt look too complicated, as long as I figure out the right connections, right ?
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23:08:53 <Lemon> https://www.digikey.fr/product-detail/fr/sensirion-ag/STS35-DIS/1649-1104-1-ND/9172272
23:08:58 <Lemon> this sensor is really interesting
23:09:22 <Lemon> I want to build a thermometer with data logging capabilities (using a uC like an atmel chip, or whatever I have)
23:09:32 <Lemon> I could get 4 of those, to have 4 channels
23:40:09 <Ysjoelfir> nah, it's crap
23:49:27 <Lemon> why that ?
23:50:52 <Ysjoelfir> it has french text, so it has to be crap.
23:51:36 <Lemon> pfff :P
23:51:55 <Ysjoelfir> xD
23:52:16 <Lemon> so basically, I visualize it as : a plastic box, with a lcd on the front, depends on what I have but lets say at least 2 lines of 20-30 chars of whatever, to display two sensors temperatures per line
23:52:25 <Lemon> as 1: blabla 2:blabla
23:52:32 <Lemon> 3: blabla 4: blabla
23:52:47 <Lemon> data logging capabilities, so maybe I'll write something in python
23:52:55 <Lemon> and use simply an arduino
23:53:12 <Lemon> put those sensors on 50cm wires or more, idk the limit
23:53:20 <Lemon> it uses I2C if im right
23:53:40 <Lemon> power the whole thing with a wall wart
23:53:44 <Lemon> I guess it makes no difference
23:54:24 <Lemon> what do you think ? that doesnt sounds too complicated
23:54:38 <Ysjoelfir> thats pretty standard stuff
23:54:40 <Lemon> and it will allow me to measure the ambient temperature of my room, and various things like my Vref, etc
23:55:02 <Lemon> yeah, 0.1C accuracy is nice, and I'll maybe use 0.01 resolution or more
23:55:04 <Lemon> for averaging
23:55:31 <Lemon> and aboutt that 3.5mm jack rs232, do you think I can build mine ? 3.5mm jack rs232 to usb
23:55:42 <Lemon> as long as I figure the right connections
23:55:47 <Lemon> thats for the gpsdo module
23:57:06 <Lemon> and well if I can build a data-logging 4 channel thermometer accurate to 0.1C for a few euros, that would be dope !
23:57:32 <K> what needs a 3.5m jack for rs232?
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