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21:50 <Ysjoelfir> erm....
22:07 <Ysjoelfir> I just noticed that I am bleeding from the belly button. should I be worried?
22:33 <Ysjoelfir> and no, I did not managed to cut me again. that happend from its own :D
22:43 <coppice_> yes, but we shouldn't
25:56 <Ysjoelfir> hm. strange. I decided to put some antiseptic.... goop stuff into it. lets see what happenes
39:32 <hsn93> u have belly button = that not real belly
39:37 <hsn93> it has to be belly hole
39:58 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, you're slowly deflating
40:07 <Ampera> the belly button is the plug that keeps all of you in
40:17 <Ampera> you've ruptured it by eating too many sausages
40:26 <Ysjoelfir> ok, lets call it belly hole.
40:29 <Ysjoelfir> damn @ Ampera
40:36 <Ysjoelfir> what should i do to fix it?
40:50 <Ysjoelfir> put a wine cork into it?
41:21 <hsn93> Ysjoelfir maybe u have men period
41:40 <Ysjoelfir> that may be the case!
42:50 <K> meanwhile
42:52 <K> https://brrr.money/
44:27 <hsn93> give me few K
55:47 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, bicycle pump
56:20 <Ysjoelfir> oh, thanks! I will try that
23:43 <hsn93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-E_zUJ-SKRE ... Remembering Bob Pease
29:44 <Ysjoelfir> nice video :)
29:48 * Ysjoelfir is "leaving" work
29:54 <Ysjoelfir> aka switchign off the work PC....
29:57 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Farvel og har en hyggelige tid :)
30:22 <rust_collector> what a weird time to be done at "work"
31:34 <hsn93> its 5:30 here
31:36 <hsn93> pm
33:22 <steve30> town centre was quiet
34:00 <rust_collector> 15.30 ish here
34:20 <rust_collector> we have no town centre, but it is quitet
34:54 <steve30> According to ofcom and the BBC, to increase your internet speed, you shouldn't use a microwave oven, and shouldn't use halogen lamps or dimmer switches
35:02 <steve30> *sigh*
35:27 <rust_collector> to not reduce your internet speed?
35:27 <hsn93> even if it was fibreoptic ?
35:53 <rust_collector> I guess internet these days means wifi
36:07 <steve30> hsn93, maybe. People here think they have fibre when they don't.
37:20 <rust_collector> I remember our previous isp upgraded us to fibre, by replacing the outlets... they used the old cable tv coax stuff.
38:31 <rust_collector> so... they never got paid for that, and they tried to nag, but I guess they knew they were wrong
39:03 <hsn93> rusty, does it has some fibre in it right ?
39:40 <rust_collector> no, maybe from xxx to some point in the village
39:48 <rust_collector> but not really, no
40:10 <rust_collector> I do have fibre now, and I laid it myself, so I am pretty sure it is
42:50 <hsn93> https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/man-made-fibre
43:01 <hsn93> i think it had fibre .. :)
43:12 <hsn93> at least small piece ..
44:20 <rust_collector> if you count the metal braid... maybe
45:32 <hsn93> so they nailed what they claimed ?
46:32 <rust_collector> they nailed something. i think it was their coffin lid
13:57 <coppice_> nailing your own coffin lid is a neat trick
14:41 <rust_collector> it looks better, when you nail from the inside
30:56 <rust_collector> جهازالرمال
32:04 <mamalala> hey ho!
32:39 <rust_collector> ho went for a nap
32:55 <mamalala> damn ho's... :P
33:37 <rust_collector> what is todays project?
34:10 <mamalala> not much ... keeping the nose unclogged, that's all
34:38 <mamalala> got either the flu or that virus thing a few days ago ... all better now, though
34:50 <rust_collector> well, if you find an old small-ish electric motor
34:59 <mamalala> at least i'm over that, i hope
35:09 <mamalala> motor?
35:11 <mamalala> nah...
35:16 <rust_collector> take it apart, rip the windings off the rotor thing...
35:22 <mamalala> 40 grit sandpaper rolled up is just perfect
35:31 <rust_collector> stick it in a drill, and clean your nose with it
36:15 <rust_collector> the spaces for the windings do a good job of channeling the snot out of there
36:47 <mamalala> that's the thing, it isn't snot
37:01 <mamalala> at least not much, anyways
37:14 <rust_collector> doesn't matter, it will slick it out of there
37:21 <mamalala> hehe
37:21 <rust_collector> slice
41:10 <mamalala> https://reprap.org/forum/file.php?251,file=80104
41:15 <mamalala> ahh, those were the times
41:35 <mamalala> that's one of my printing platforms that i designed and made
41:45 <mamalala> for a 3d printer, that is
41:58 <rust_collector> oh yes, those evil things
42:19 <rust_collector> I can not have one of those
42:34 <mamalala> ahh, come on, they are fun
42:59 <mamalala> sure, if you buy a cheap one it needs quite a lot of work, but that's part of the fun!
43:32 <rust_collector> I am not sure why, but 99% of what I see them used for, is either making parts for the 3d printer, or making flat plastic sheets, that they bolt or glue together, to make a box
43:52 <rust_collector> I sort of want to like them, but I can not
44:10 <rust_collector> I do like the little boat test print
44:11 <mamalala> well, true, most people probably don't use it to their fullest capacity
44:33 <mamalala> probably becasue most people are just lazy
44:46 <rust_collector> not to their fullest... well they use all night, printing a plastic sheet...
44:53 <mamalala> i mean, anything more complicated than a cube probably needs some support, etc....
45:31 <mamalala> so it would need some effort to do it right ... i mean, heck, even the way you actually orientate the part makes a huge difference...
45:43 <mamalala> they are a usefull machine, though
46:07 <mamalala> i rarely use mine ... but in the few cases i do, it's wirth it
46:12 <mamalala> *worth
46:13 <rust_collector> the thing I thought they world be nice for, is to make rc cars. and if they crash, just print a new part
46:29 <mamalala> ahh, yes, you can do that
46:38 <K> you can even melt down the rashed part!
46:53 <mamalala> the printer is just, uh, a "little" more expensive, and it won't be using plastcs :P
47:08 <rust_collector> eh?
47:18 <mamalala> you can get metal printers
47:22 <rust_collector> sure
47:27 <K> or you could, you know, be a man and make the part out of tool steel
47:35 <rust_collector> as usual
47:41 <K> as is tradition.
47:47 <rust_collector> aye
47:49 <mamalala> basically a bed full of metal dust plus some magic sauce, a fucking huge laser... and then you sinter the stuff together, layer by layer
48:14 <K> sls really is not for home use afaik
48:26 <rust_collector> anyway, most crap spec printers can do abs, I think?
48:34 <K> abs is ass.
48:50 <rust_collector> no, a b s
49:02 <K> if you can do the temps, either petg or even nylon
49:17 <rust_collector> hmm, nylon would be nice
49:59 <mamalala> rust_collector: depends... printing abs is not that easy, if you want usable parts
49:59 <K> love you some nylons, rust?
50:13 <mamalala> for example, you definitely nead a heated print bed
50:17 <rust_collector> with a very fine nozzle, and I can make some stay-in underwear
50:42 <mamalala> also, it helps a lot to have the printer enclosed and not open, so the heat stays in to some extent
50:59 <rust_collector> that makes sense
51:17 <mamalala> nylon is somewhat doable as well... but again, you want a heated print bed....
51:33 <rust_collector> but yes. I am not really that interested.
51:57 <rust_collector> today, I am looking at sand blasting things
52:01 <mamalala> also, whatever you are printing, forget about glass plates, aluminium plates, and smearing them with a glue stick, etc... there is a much simpler way....
52:31 <mamalala> ahhh, sand blaster ... i'd like to have one at some time
53:22 <mamalala> regarding the print bed
54:09 <mamalala> take a 10mm thick, precission ground aluminium plate
54:39 <K> uh, ground aluminium?
54:44 <mamalala> then stick a 1mm thick sheet of pertinax on top of it, using that very thin 3m doublesided adhesive material
55:11 <mamalala> give the pertinax a light sanding with 80 grit paper, done
55:27 <mamalala> of course i am assuming that the print bed is heated
55:39 <K> >> Pertinax was a Roman soldier and politician who was Roman Emperor for the first three months of 193.
55:48 <K> instructions unclear, dick stuck in holy roman epire
55:53 <rust_collector> he did not get old
56:00 <mamalala> so, as long as the bed is "hot", that stuff will stick to it like nothing else... once cooled down, it basically lifts itself off
56:19 <mamalala> ok, let me see if there is a special english word for pertinax
56:58 <mamalala> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FR-2
57:27 <mamalala> but then, that's not exactly the stuff
57:48 <mamalala> the overall is ok, but what i mean is the dark-brown version of that material
58:16 <K> ah, in post-ussr world it is known as 'getinax'
58:27 <K> or so i've been told
58:51 <mamalala> https://gie-tec.de/produkt/hartpapier/
59:27 <K> yea somth like that
00:23 <rust_collector> Just add an abrasive material and Removes the need for chemicals and instead.
00:24 <rust_collector> Multi-functional, all-round, fast to use.Suitable for car washing, glass washing etc.
00:24 <rust_collector> Can be used to remove paint or remove dirt and rust
00:43 <rust_collector> sounds perfect
01:00 <mamalala> well...
01:08 <mamalala> a stick of dynamite does the same ... even faster
01:11 <rust_collector> removes the need for chemicals and instead... i like that
01:21 <mamalala> it sure removes whatever is in it's way
01:23 <mamalala> :P
01:50 <rust_collector> well, you know... dynamite is best inside things
02:24 <mamalala> i'm pretty sure that you wife/girlfriend/whatever would disagree with that statement
09:23 <rust_collector> no, it feels good, but you do get a nasty headache later
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45:25 <rust_collector> now I sort of want to try one of those diy plastic bottle and air gun blasters. worst case, it is just crap
59:31 <mamalala> does it help against the upcomming zombie apocalypse?
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59:53 <rust_collector> eeeh, we will see
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20:52 <rust_collector> oh, this is nice. I can go to bed in not too long
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27:32 <mamalala> rust_collector_: going to bed? give your arse a good clean wipe with all that tp you have hoarded, in case you die that night :P
28:01 <rust_collector> meh, someone has to come to clean this stuff up anyway
28:24 <Danny88> Hello all, I'm kinda stuck with my PIC18F25K80 based project with regards to the ADC. I hooked up a pot and wrote a program (using mplab xc8 and mcc) to print out the value of the ADC to the serial port. This works but I am not getting the values I expect. I get values between 2 and 3200. I was expecting values between 0 and 4095 (the ADC is 12 bit
28:24 <Danny88> )
28:55 <rust_collector> I have an igniter hooked up to my heartrate monitor, so if I die, the tp goes up in flames
29:23 <mamalala> Danny88: ok
29:57 <mamalala> Danny88: first question, have you set up the adc module correctly? that is, is the sampling frequency within range?
30:11 <mamalala> you can "overclock" the adc, but the accuracy will suffer
30:43 <mamalala> next question: have you meassured the actual pot? some pots, especially cheaper ones, are not 0-100%
31:25 <mamalala> for example, there may be resistive coating on the rear connecting lug on the pot's wiper-area
31:45 <Danny88> i think that the problem lies there - i have tried different values for TAD and clock source but the results are the same and the datasheet is not helping me much (that would be lack of knowledge on my part!)
32:18 <K> does it give correct values if you use constant resitors instead of pot?
32:23 <Danny88> i have connected the an0 directly to vdd and checked with my dmm. It is at 5 v
32:53 <Danny88> that should eliminate any problems with the pot :)
32:58 <mamalala> Danny88: that's doesnt say much ... because
33:15 <mamalala> the third issue i wanted to metion is internal weak pull-up/down ...
33:37 <mamalala> quite often you can still configure pu/pd on pins that are otherwise used for analogue input
33:46 <Danny88> creating a voltage divider ?
33:51 <mamalala> connecting a supply voltage directly to it would have no effect
34:03 <mamalala> but using a pot, yes, it creates a voltage divider
34:15 <K> 32767 is max for int16_t, are you sure the data types are ok?
35:17 <Danny88> uint16_t convertedValue;
35:18 <mamalala> K: given that it is 10 bits, and the max is 4095, i doubt that that is the problem, if he gets around 3200 otherwise
36:08 <K> well, handmade bit shifts and whatnot give this kind of errors
36:09 <Danny88> using the mcc function: convertedValue = ADC_GetConversion(POT);
36:17 <mamalala> Danny88: also, the way you laid out the input circuitry, or the type of components you have in front of the analogue inout, can have an influence
36:27 <K> ok, then it is from library, i whithdraw
36:28 <mamalala> Danny88: mcc?
36:33 <Danny88> yes
36:37 <mamalala> you mean, the old microchip compiler
37:25 <Danny88> printf ("Value: %d\r\n",convertedValue);
38:16 <mamalala> Danny88: while the compiler is probably not the issue, here's some help to allow you to use the new compilers fully: http://atelier-klippel.de/xclm.tgz
38:29 <mamalala> just a little tool i wrote a while back
38:51 <mamalala> don't spread it too far, or microchip may notice and counteract it :)
40:13 <mamalala> for the latest xc8 it's a bit different, because now they have the atmel stuff included ... so you need to initially execute it from the top most directory, so it can traverse all the stuff (even the atmel-realted ones)
40:31 <mamalala> in any case
40:56 <mamalala> connect a dmm to the pin you have the pot connected to, and check what voltage it actually sees
41:08 <mamalala> the 3200 value may actually be correct, after all
41:25 <Danny88> 5.06v
41:46 <Danny88> pot is not connected at this point
41:49 <mamalala> with the pot connected?
42:24 <mamalala> connect it all up as it would be expected to work, then check
42:51 <mamalala> also: using VDD as a ref for AVDD might cause problems
42:53 <Danny88> dmm: 0v --> 5.06 as i adjust the pot
43:12 <mamalala> so, if you do that, you better make sure that your supply voltage is very clean
43:35 <Danny88> adc reads 3 -->3130
44:18 <Danny88> power is from my laptop via usb
44:26 <mamalala> try to lower the sampling rate... and make sure it is set up for single chanel conversion, etc, etc... in short: make it as slow as possible, and go from there
45:36 <mamalala> best solution is to use the internal osc for a/d conversion, instead of tying to the external clock/crystal
46:13 <mamalala> speaking of which ... you have to make sure that all your clocks are set up correctly as well in your startup code
46:39 <mamalala> it's quite easy to set it up in a way that makes the pic work, but the adc behaving strange
46:57 <mamalala> there is a limit to the maximum input clock to that block...
47:44 <Danny88> just set clock source to FOSC/64
48:05 <mamalala> also, in case you didn't try that obvious thing already: add a 0.1µ capacitor between adc input and gnd, to reduce noise
48:06 <Danny88> sample rate is 17.8 khz
48:23 <Danny88> same result as before
48:28 <mamalala> 17,8*64
48:47 <Lemon> back !
48:55 <Lemon> hello everyone I havent seen today
49:05 <mamalala> so you have a 1.139 MHz clock?
49:38 <Danny88> no - internal osc @ 16 mhz
50:13 <mamalala> Danny88: so you have a 250KHz sample rate then, if SR = FOSC/64
50:47 <Danny88> i do not follow?
51:04 <mamalala> Danny88: you use the internal osc at 16 mhz, right?
51:11 <Lemon> hey mamalala, in a few days (if everything goes well) I should receive a GPSDO module ! :>
51:25 <mamalala> Lemon: nice!
51:37 <Danny88> yes
51:58 <mamalala> Danny88: so FOSC is 16 MHz ... and you dicider for the adc is /64, right?
52:03 <mamalala> *divider
52:42 <Danny88> it was 16, just changed it to 64 - yes
53:00 <mamalala> Danny88: sp, 16 divided by 64 is?
53:11 <mamalala> *so
53:32 <Danny88> so... that is as 'low' as i can go?
54:10 <mamalala> that's not the answer to "16 divided by 64", i'm afraid
54:44 <Danny88> :) 0.25 mhz
55:27 <mamalala> good ... so, it's 250 kHz ... i'd say that is just a bit off of the 17.something kHz you said it was
55:57 <mamalala> but then, what's an order of magnitude among frieds, right?
56:02 <mamalala> *friends
56:31 <mamalala> usually, PIC's provide an option for a dedicated internal osc just for the ADC
56:54 <mamalala> so you should configure that osc and use it ...
56:58 <Danny88> 17 khz is what mcc calculated
57:13 <mamalala> how did it do so?
58:15 <mamalala> i mean, 17 kHz is far below of what the adc is usually capable of ... but still
58:25 <mamalala> something seems fishy there
58:52 <Danny88> don't know... perhaps it is wrong
59:13 <mamalala> again, use the lowest possible clock for your adc... make sure you read the results only after the conversion cycle is complete... and then see what happens
59:33 <Danny88> just for my understanding: if it configured properly, i should be reading close to 4095?
59:44 <mamalala> if the applied voltage to the pin equals the ref-voltage, you should see a maximum value (roghly)
59:49 <mamalala> yes
00:17 <mamalala> give or take a few digits
00:35 <mamalala> well, mostly take, since 10 bits is just that :P
02:11 <mamalala> in case you wonder, but are afraid to ask ....
02:34 <mamalala> internally, the PIC has a small capacitor that is charged up by the externally applies voltage
03:08 <mamalala> the time that is allowed to charge up that internal cap is also determined by the adc frequency, so to say
03:35 <mamalala> after each sampling, it discharges the cap, and then let it charge up again
03:58 <Danny88> the time that that takes is used to calculate the voltage
04:06 <mamalala> during the actual sampling, it only reads the voltage of that internal cap
04:19 <Danny88> ADC_StartConversion(POT);
04:19 <Danny88> while(!ADC_IsConversionDone());
04:20 <Danny88> convertedValue = ADC_GetConversionResult();
04:20 <Danny88> printf ("Value: %d\r\n",convertedValue);
04:48 <Danny88> changed the code to the above to explicitly wait for IsConversionDone
05:02 <mamalala> so, if the cap does not have anough time to fully charge to the desired voltage... for example because the external source resistance is too high, or the internal sampling clock is too fast, you get wrong results
05:02 <Danny88> result is 3220 or so
05:35 <Lemon> mamalala : hey dude, on the gpsdo I bought, theres a 3.5mm rs232 jack (never saw those before) can I get a 3.5mm jack rs232 to usb cable to connect it to my computer ? or do I need a special thing ?
06:01 <Danny88> i see your reasoning. The external resistance is as low as it can be (a jumper wire connected to 5v)
06:19 <Danny88> that leaves the sampling clock
06:26 <mamalala> Lemon: i have no idea ... 3.5mm is unusual, so they may have made their ow... for example:
06:38 <Lemon> https://www.amazon.fr/Chipset-convertisseur-RS232-vers-st%C3%A9r%C3%A9o-adaptateur/dp/B075GSXLY7
06:42 <Lemon> I saw those for example
07:10 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HOT-PLL-GPSDO-GPS-Tame-Disciplined-Clock-Sine-Wave-GPS-Receiver-10M-1PPS-DE/122884198500?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
07:15 <Lemon> and heres the module I bought
07:21 <mamalala> sleeve = gnd, tip = rx, ring = tx ... or sleeve = rx, tip = tx, ring = gnd ... or whatever ... and then, does it use rs-232 levels or ttl, or what?
08:22 <mamalala> Danny88: yes, but you said that with directly connecting the adc input to vdd it gave you a full scale reading, right?
08:23 <Lemon> thats a good question !
08:43 <Lemon> I guess they use a common combinaition
08:47 <Lemon> made for those random cables
09:07 <Danny88> no - adc connected to vdd results in 3220
09:17 <mamalala> Lemon: "common combination" and "random cables" should give you a hint
09:39 <Lemon> well by random cables, I mean easily avalaible cables on the market :>
09:58 <mamalala> Danny88: ahh, ok ... then i'm pretty sure that the sampling clock is wrong ... that is, it is exceeding the maximum value
11:39 <mamalala> Danny88: really, set your adc to use the internal adc clock ... at least all the pic's i know have that ... then set the adc module to the lowes possible sampling frequency ....
12:05 <mamalala> once done, set the the readout so that it only gives a reading once the sampling cycle is complete
12:16 <mamalala> i'm sure that you will get a full scale reading then
12:37 <Danny88> one other thing that i don't get - mcc insists on having some kind of value for auto conversion trigger - i have that set to timer1 (not used in the project) examples i found on the internet did not have this option at all
12:39 <mamalala> some reason:
13:03 <mamalala> building capacitances on silicone wafers takes space ...
13:16 <mamalala> switching intrudec yet more
13:42 <mamalala> so, you are relying on an internal cap that is made in the wafer itself
14:39 <mamalala> they try to keep that space as small as possible .... but then, the smalles would be zero, which is just bad for you accuracy, because there is no "hold" ind "sample and hold"
15:07 <mamalala> so there needs to be a minimum usable capacitance ... which takes time to charge
15:26 <mamalala> that time, Tc, is defined by however you set up your adc module
16:11 <mamalala> if that time is lower than what you need to actually fully charge up the cap in that time slot, you end up with a reading that is too low
16:25 <Danny88> set the clock to FRC (from the datasheet: FRC (clock derived from A/D RC oscillator) that is what you mean right?
16:34 <mamalala> yes
16:38 <Danny88> same result...
16:55 <mamalala> now that is strange
17:17 <mamalala> i mean, you did put in the proper divisors for the AD osc, right?
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19:31 <Danny88> no? i do not see an option to do that
19:35 <mamalala> Danny88: if you like, you can also send me your source to [email protected] ... can't actually try it, because i don't have that specific pic, but maybe i see something obvious after an hour or so
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24:31 <Danny88> I'll have some more 'fun' with the frequencies - I'll let you know if I figure it out - At least I gained more insight thanks to you
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25:31 <mamalala> Danny88: the microchip datasheets are often not that obvious as to what to do ...
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25:53 <mamalala> Danny88: and switch to XC ... you now know how to ...
26:16 <mamalala> i used mcc for a long time, because i'm on linux
26:33 <mamalala> but then, i'm also curious... well ... :P
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29:41 <mamalala> Danny88: that thing works under linux and windows ... and if you don't trust the supplied executables, the source is there, so you can compile you own
06:05 <rust_collector> good night
07:22 <Lemon> back
07:30 <Lemon> dont leave rusty
09:42 <Lemon> damn mamalala the counter shows much more digits after the coma than I thought !!!
10:01 <Lemon> im on 100S gate time right now, with a 100Hz sine wave generated from my siglent
10:12 <Lemon> it reads 100.00002492 hz :P
10:27 <Lemon> im fairly impressed
11:39 <Lemon> lets try with 10hz
11:41 <mamalala> :)
12:02 <Lemon> its insane dude !
12:08 <Lemon> I thought it was going down to milihertz
12:12 <Lemon> not nano hertz !!!
12:43 <Lemon> I cant wait to get the gpib cable and set up the lab !
12:50 <Lemon> dudeeeeeee
13:01 <mamalala> hehe
13:02 <Lemon> 9.9999780796 hz !!!
13:11 <Lemon> pico hertz ??
13:13 <Lemon> really ?
15:13 <Lemon> ok lets try 100mHz to see if it goes down to 10 picohz xD
15:19 <Lemon> thats fucking insane
15:21 <mamalala> lol
15:24 <Lemon> I mean
15:29 <Lemon> I doubt its precise to last digits no ?
15:32 <Lemon> accurate
16:53 <mamalala> depends
17:04 <Lemon> ha he doesnt want to read 100mHz on 100S it seems
17:09 <mamalala> sorry, have a phone call now...
17:18 <Lemon> no worries !!
19:49 <mamalala> ahh, jeez
19:59 <mamalala> jehovas wittnesses....
20:24 <mamalala> never, ever, talk to them on a phone that you have to pay for
20:41 <mamalala> sure, ok, she is my 80+ year ol neighbour... but still
21:39 <mamalala> Lemon: there are limits to every instrument... and let's not forget the age of that thing :)
22:13 <Lemon> haha yeah I know them well ! some come here from time to time
22:21 <Lemon> yeah sure im looking at the manual to see :>
22:28 <Lemon> 100 picohz seems to be the limit in resolution !
22:32 <Lemon> which is absolutely nuts
23:12 <mamalala> it's a decent counter
24:58 <Lemon> in the manual they say 50uHz to 500Mhz
25:06 <Lemon> but I clearly see resolution down to picohz
25:15 <Lemon> maybe its not on that function idk
25:30 <mamalala> i'm glad that you have fun with that thing
26:24 <Lemon> yeah dude I cant thank you enough for all you gave to me !! plus the valuable knowledge :P
26:39 <Lemon> the arb gen is a really nice toy too !
28:28 <Lemon> you are right, time is a really fun thing to measure :P
29:22 <mamalala> just you wait until you meassure time over time ...
31:53 <Lemon> haha it will come :P on 20:36 I should get a measurement, 1hz sinewave with 1000S gate time
32:40 <mamalala> that's not enough
33:01 <mamalala> you need a continous meassurement of the whole time period
33:25 <mamalala> then you will see how much your osc drifts... or the gps, or whatever
34:00 <Lemon> ho I know ! its just to see how many digits will pop after the coma :>
34:08 <mamalala> and once that got you fired up, you want a much better clock on you desk, and see how bad gps clocks are ... :P
34:17 <mamalala> well
34:18 <Lemon> with the gpsdo, I'll look to change the fan, and measure it a week or so !
34:31 <mamalala> after a coma i'm sure to pop a lot of things :P
34:37 <Lemon> and leave the gpsdo 24/24
34:45 <Lemon> haha pff :P
35:03 <mamalala> well, no much sense in just leaving it on
35:24 <mamalala> you need to actually log the stuff... but then, you get your gpib stuff also...
36:02 <mamalala> to simplify:
36:21 <mamalala> from 1 to 12 you clock runs fast, from 12 to 1 you clock runs slow ...
36:33 <mamalala> on average, it is precise, over 24 hours
37:00 <Lemon> ha yeah ofc I will log it ! so I just got the measurement ! from the counter
37:06 <Lemon> there is that star that lighted up
37:09 <mamalala> but then, many clocks are spec'd over more than 24 hours ...
37:10 <Lemon> for wam up as you said
37:22 <Lemon> and it displays 00000361508 hz
37:25 <Lemon> no much sense
37:43 <mamalala> well... you need to translate it into sensible units
37:43 <Lemon> thats strange, it seems that this star pops up only on 1000S gate time
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38:05 <mamalala> in this case, the readout means "good enough, keep your dick in a vise"
38:21 <Lemon> but it means nothing ? I dont get it
38:24 <Lemon> it was supposed to show 1hz
38:35 <mamalala> dunno, it didn't for me
38:46 <Lemon> is it because of the star that showed up ?
38:58 <mamalala> maybe it needs to stay on longer? i had it turned for days....
39:18 <Lemon> the star is showing up only on 1ks gate time it seems
39:18 <mamalala> well, the star normally means that the osc is not yet warmed up completely
39:36 <mamalala> so it's strange that it would light up only on specific settings
40:10 <mamalala> but then ... at the time i may have done a less then stellar job on soldering the bulb-to-led replacement....
40:29 <Lemon> nah I dont think thats this problem
40:35 <Lemon> thats weird
40:44 <mamalala> also, that indicator, like any other one on that instrument, was an incadescent bulb
40:58 <mamalala> they need a much higher current to even visibly glow
41:12 <mamalala> an led needs much lower current
41:19 <Lemon> hmmm maybe
41:23 <mamalala> so, since they are all led's now... who knows
41:34 <Lemon> when it wasnt properly warmed up, it showed nonsense like this ?
42:27 <mamalala> well, not properly warmed up, or funky switches ... i never ever cleaned the switches... they behave funny at times
42:43 <mamalala> (normal switches and rotary switches)
43:02 <Lemon> hmm well im not touching them, I mean if they work for another gate setting they should work for this one
43:06 <DHess_US> https://www.reddit.com/r/coronachan/
43:10 <mamalala> also, ther is a reason that this instrument has a reset button at the front
43:16 <Lemon> ima wait another measurement to see
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53:36 <Lemon> alright got a measurement that makes sense, but still the star (guess it needs time)
53:37 <Lemon> ready ?
53:49 <Lemon> ha well wait
53:53 <Lemon> it was 1hz
54:09 <Lemon> it shows 99.995154359 mhz
54:32 <Lemon> hmmmm makes more sense but still an issue somewhere :> lets wait another 16 minutes !
59:48 <mamalala> well
00:27 <mamalala> unless you know for sure that your clock source is mor accurate than the counter, you can wait for many more 16 min intervalls....
02:31 <Lemon> ho but I just want to see a 1hz something
02:35 <Lemon> not random gibberish :>
03:02 <mamalala> good luck with that
03:07 <Lemon> why that ?
03:17 <mamalala> you will always see some randomness in the last digits, no matter what
03:19 <Lemon> I mean it could show like 1.0005481479hz
03:28 <Lemon> right now its showing 99mhz something
03:35 <Lemon> its closer to 1hz, but still not 1hz
03:52 <mamalala> you mean 99x.mHz
04:06 <Lemon> 99.99XX something mHz
04:10 <Lemon> thats 100mhz ?
04:14 <mamalala> because 99 is an order of magnitude out of 1hz
04:21 <Lemon> yes it is
04:24 <Lemon> thats what im saying xd its showing gibberish
04:31 <Lemon> at first it was 000000something
04:31 <mamalala> ah, ok
04:43 <Lemon> so im trying to see if its because its not warmed up or what
05:08 <mamalala> lower the gate and sampling time, until you are in the ballpark of what you expect
05:28 <mamalala> then fiddle around with the threshold level pot
05:29 <Lemon> well for 100S and under it works fine
05:37 <Lemon> its just on the 1000S gate time that it shows shit
05:49 <Lemon> I tried with sample rate either ccw or full cw
06:08 <Lemon> it ever happened to you ?
06:14 <mamalala> dunno
06:15 <Lemon> that it shows gibberish ?
06:23 <mamalala> no, not gibberish
06:58 <Lemon> thats weird
07:03 <Lemon> maybe I have a wrong setting somewhere
07:30 <mamalala> but then, if you get a readout of 99.99xx for something that is supposed a mag higher, it may just be a decimal pojnt placement error
07:52 <Lemon> thats what im thinking yes but thats weird
07:54 <mamalala> never used it at such low frequencies
09:42 <mamalala> maybe it's decamilihertz :P
09:52 <Lemon> heh who knows :P
10:05 <Lemon> I think if this instrument were to be faulty, it should be not that hard to repair no ?
10:14 <Lemon> no much unobtaimium asics insinde it
10:33 <mamalala> ints notable that it is pretty much exactly one magnitude out ... so it's not really gibberish, just a wrong-placed decimal
11:12 <mamalala> -n
15:08 <Lemon> hmm I waited another 1000s but nothing changed this time
15:33 <Lemon> lets go back to 10S or so
15:46 <Lemon> maybe I got a wrong setting somewhere
16:14 <mamalala> could be ...
16:29 <mamalala> i mean, these manuals are 100+ pages for a reason :P
17:43 <Lemon> yeah true
17:50 <Lemon> haaa it feels better when its off !
17:57 <Lemon> wvuuuuuuuuu
18:04 <mamalala> lol
18:16 <Lemon> I see no reasons why it would work on every gate settings besides the 1000s one
19:03 <mamalala> from what i remember, the decimal point in the display is "controlled" by the fronmt-panel...
19:21 <mamalala> does the point move between 100 and 1000 s?
19:49 <Lemon> ha I turned it off, but when I was tryin on 100S it was showing right things
19:51 <mamalala> although small, there is a chance that something funny is going on with the front panel switch
20:07 <Lemon> yeah I doubt it stopped working from your home to mine
20:50 <Lemon> but yeah im happy to have it !
21:03 <Lemon> I'll need a second counter anyway, aswell as a second 6.5 digit dmm :P
21:03 <mamalala> well, if it had some random stuff going on, it may well be that transporting it from here to you caused a problem ...
21:08 <Lemon> I still want a hp 3456a !!
21:37 <Lemon> hmmm that would really be strange, it was well protected, nothing moved etc
21:46 <Lemon> it was on my backseat, so it was comfy
21:55 <mamalala> ... but since that "fault" is pretty much exactly one order of magnitude, i would guess that the instrument as such is just fine, but the display "logic" has a quirk
22:14 <Lemon> yeah but remember the first reading I got was 000000X something
22:22 <Lemon> but again, maybe the '1' wasnt showing
22:35 <mamalala> well
22:52 <mamalala> keep in mind that the internals of the counter are free-wheeling, so to say
23:14 <mamalala> whenever you change something at the front panel, the internal stuff does not
23:30 <mamalala> again, that is why there is a reset button on the front :)
23:39 <Lemon> yeah I have to do more tests !
23:49 <Lemon> and again, im sure its fixable
23:56 <Lemon> if theres something to fix
24:02 <Lemon> and one day I'll have the knowledge !
24:29 <mamalala> if you are in a 1000s measurement, and just switched around, it will continue at whatever place it was... skewing the readout ... so you need to switch, and then hit reset....
25:19 <Lemon> hmmm maybe thats the issue, I switched from 100 to 1000s, but never hit the reset button
25:22 <Lemon> well idk
25:26 <Lemon> we'll see tommorow :>
25:37 <Lemon> I hope the gpsdo and gpib cables will show soon !
29:06 <Lemon> ho also it was a 2v p-p amplitude signal, and the attenuation was on x10
29:09 <Lemon> maybe it played ?
34:57 <Lemon> As a full universal counter, it features 2ns single shot timing resolution, improving to 2ps with averaging.
35:28 <Lemon> that means the best resolution it can show (if for example I measure 1hz) is down to pico hz ?
35:48 <Lemon> well maybe milihz, like 10.000000000 mhz
38:21 <Lemon> also the siglent gen got a counter function, from 1uHz to 200Mhz, which is always handy
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03:31 <AndrevS> hello
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13:50 <mamalala> wew
14:02 <mamalala> friend of mine has cancer
14:18 <mamalala> concealed it from all of us
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22:29 <Ysjoelfir> whoops. thats bad
22:58 <mamalala> no ne ever told me .... until today... so i immediately called him
23:10 <mamalala> what a mindfuck
23:44 <mamalala> due to that shit virus, he can't really go to the doc or such, because it's considered low-risk...
23:49 <mamalala> i mean, wtf?
24:13 <mamalala> yes, there is alow risk ... a low risk of it ending up in positive way....
28:52 <Halcyon> Woot, working from home \o/
31:06 <mamalala> Halcyon: welcome to the club! i do too, but then, since it involves electricians work, i', reduced to tell my other part what to do now... :P
31:25 <mamalala> like, a slow response multiplayer game
34:34 <Halcyon> Heh
36:23 <steve30> hi Halcyon
37:04 <steve30> I wonder if there are any good mail order coffee suppliers
37:49 <Halcyon> Heh there probably are?
38:22 <mamalala> steve30: hey, i will send you my slightly used coffe grounds for free... just shipping
38:38 <mamalala> pro: it's already nicely ground
38:43 * steve30 prefers new coffee
38:48 <Halcyon> Or I could send you unused ground coffee :P
38:49 <mamalala> con: minor skew in taste
39:15 <mamalala> Halcyon: pff, damn competiton :P
40:28 <Halcyon> :P
41:11 <mamalala> my ground coffee has the advantage of being pre-cooked, so no corona-crap in there
43:04 <mamalala> like coke, you know... already processed before snorting ... aeh... drinking it
43:59 <steve30> I have two bags of coffee left, and my dad has bought me another two, so that should last the next few weeks.
44:37 <mamalala> steve30: you could trade all that in for a bog roll ...
44:53 <steve30> I have plenty of toilet roll :)
45:12 <mamalala> so you say... haha
45:35 <mamalala> judging by the buying frenzy, there never is enough
45:54 <mamalala> plus, if you have cats, 50% loss factor is almost guaranteed anyways
46:21 <steve30> I can always use the shower if i run out
46:39 <mamalala> shower? takes too long
46:49 * steve30 is not in a hurry
46:54 <mamalala> the engineering gods invented high pressure washers for a reason!!
46:56 <Halcyon> I love showers
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53:12 * steve30 paws at mamalala's toilet roll
53:25 <steve30> I like nice hot showers :)
53:46 <mamalala> jeez... can't even take a shit in peace here... :P
01:00 <Halcyon> Hahaha
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33:05 <Halcyon> :D
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04:50 <Halcyon> Hey Ampera
04:50 <Halcyon> :)
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25:54 <Halcyon> *shrug*
31:28 <MrMobodies> Hello
32:16 <MrMobodies> Can I ask an opinion on these tests that I am refusing to take?
32:20 <MrMobodies> https://careerswales.gov.wales/buzzquiz/
32:46 <MrMobodies> "Find out your personality type and what jobs might suit you."
32:53 <MrMobodies> Isn't that stereotyping?
35:12 <MrMobodies> speaking of coughs mine is going
39:10 <Halcyon> It's a very general way of categorising you among the masses
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50:34 <MrMobodies> I took offence but maybe I had a bad experience when they were used against me on many occasions that I refused to take anymore.
51:48 <MrMobodies> so sometime they had listen and give me a chance without making judgements.
52:59 <MrMobodies> I am looking for training opportunities within my interest but not being put in a box like before.
53:31 <MrMobodies> mind you, I don't mind doing them after I am successful as a said thing.
04:43 <steve30> who is asking you to do them?
05:23 <steve30> Usually careers tests are a bit of a way of making it look like someone is doing something, without actually creating any new vacancies.
08:13 <MrMobodies> my case worker
09:34 <MrMobodies> well I don't want to waste my energy, I am conserving it for an opportunity I know is going to work for me
10:00 <MrMobodies> She called it "a bit of fun"
10:24 <steve30> What does the case worker do? I'm guessing she suggested silly tests as busy-work.
10:51 <MrMobodies> I said well here is a bit of fun, a video of Dave Jones tearing down the Huaewei emergency video conferencing rack unit
11:20 <steve30> that sounds more fun
11:24 <MrMobodies> she is there to try and get me into some kind of training
11:29 <MrMobodies> to get some experience
12:08 <MrMobodies> I told her what I want to do and reply when she finds something
13:27 <steve30> I did some stupid tests at the jobcentre a few years back
13:42 <MrMobodies> I hope she finds that fun too... and learns a thing or two
13:48 <MrMobodies> oh you are in England
14:59 <MrMobodies> I am refusing to take any kind of test, until I have been given the time to study properly or I formally and compentently trained. Not going to be brought down again by a flow diagram.
15:30 <steve30> good idea
16:24 <MrMobodies> It makes the diving lessons look good with the knowledge bit and the case studies, all you need to use is some reasoning on the obvious
16:54 <MrMobodies> oops *driving
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28:09 * steve30 assumes MrMobodies doesn't have a job
11:37 <MrMobodies> Now that map is a bit of fun.
12:06 <MrMobodies> You assumed correctly
12:22 <MrMobodies> as you listened
12:37 <MrMobodies> a test doesn't listen to you.
13:26 <MrMobodies> I do get work in from sometimes like broken laptops and so on
13:44 <MrMobodies> but that was suppose to be something for me to do on the side
15:18 <MrMobodies> I moved county as I was told they have better funding and access to stuff my previous area didn't.
19:10 <steve30> I seem to come across a lot of jobless people on IRC :D
26:22 <MrMobodies> I'm here because I learn Interesting stuff.
27:05 <MrMobodies> When Dave Jones tear's things down and explains how they work it broadens my imagination.
27:39 <MrMobodies> oop put in ' by mistake
29:41 <MrMobodies> the people I was with in the past, them having a good time was going down the pub and talking about "birds" and that's it and they're not birds from the garden.
31:38 <MrMobodies> I was given a few Dedicated Micro video recorders and I notice that many of them are unique by model.
32:53 <MrMobodies> the latest one of them had the codecs that fitted in a slot and I think each slot module did 80 - 100 picture per second and there are 4 slots
33:53 <DHess_US> Now witness the power of this fully armed and operational 15 year old RAID in 20 year old workstation. https://i.ibb.co/v3zWxFZ/IMG-0427.jpg
33:54 <MrMobodies> but everytime the codec modules failed, the contractor had to pay for a new module, a couple of hundres pounds and they were not covered under the warranty.
34:14 <MrMobodies> molex
34:41 <MrMobodies> I have an old server board still in a case somewhere
35:28 <MrMobodies> I think Tyan S2721, 6x 15,000rpm fujitsu drives
35:51 <MrMobodies> megaraid 1600 enterprise controller (dead battery)
36:11 <MrMobodies> and a quad port network card
37:02 <DHess_US> This is my old workstation from about 2000
37:24 <DHess_US> 1G of ECC, upgraded from Celeron 300A to Pentium 3 1.2G
37:40 <MrMobodies> that's impressive 20 years old
37:42 <DHess_US> Now I stuck a 4 x 320G RAID 10 in it.
38:00 <MrMobodies> Tualatin?
38:11 <DHess_US> Yes
38:12 <DHess_US> Abit BX6r2 motherboard
38:38 <DHess_US> Which is slot 1 but it has a slot 1 to socket 370 or whatever with a Tualani 1.2G in it.
38:50 <MrMobodies> I thougha Slotket might be involved
38:53 <DHess_US> I replaced the motherboard capacitors a few years ago.
39:00 <MrMobodies> Jamicon?
39:12 <DHess_US> Hmm, I have the box for it somewhere.
39:21 <MrMobodies> I was given an Abit BH6 in late 2001 and they had Jamicon on htere
39:30 <MrMobodies> they couldn't get to power on
39:47 <MrMobodies> I found out why, the labels for the power on were confusing
40:03 <MrMobodies> but it had Soft CPU detection on it
40:14 <DHess_US> Power leap
40:52 <DHess_US> Powerleap PL-iP3/T
42:09 <MrMobodies> that's a nice slotket
42:27 <DHess_US> I tried to find another one a couple years ago on Ebay but nothing.
42:42 <MrMobodies> I remembered I flash the BH6 with a beta firmware to make it work with a 866 on a slotket
43:37 <MrMobodies> it worked but it was unstable and on post spelling "Sytem bios"
44:03 <DHess_US> The RAID came out of my Intel OR840 system which needs new fans. It has 2GB of ECC and is dual slot 2 Pentium 3 Xeon 900MHz 2M cache.
44:17 <MrMobodies> what raid controller is on there?
44:32 <DHess_US> A very old 3ware. 7500-4 or something.
44:42 <DHess_US> Can't use it in Windows 10
45:02 <DHess_US> Not a very good RAID controller but better than needed for this system.
46:03 <DHess_US> It had a 4 port VIA controller that was even worse.
46:33 <MrMobodies> couldn't be as bad as the SiSsy 530
47:04 <MrMobodies> I mean SiS
48:18 <MrMobodies> my school brought new computers with those in in 2000
48:37 <MrMobodies> they would reboot or give a blue screen and you'd loose your work
50:05 <MrMobodies> I think they paid £25 per the motherboard and they were buiding them themselves.
50:20 <MrMobodies> and they had a Cyrix MX 300 in them
50:35 <Halcyon> I remember we referred to SiS as "Serious is Slow" back in the day
50:45 <Halcyon> *Seriously
52:24 <steve30> I think I'll go back to bed... if halcyon wants to tuck me in :)
52:31 <MrMobodies> I remember I picked up a 486 board down the bootsale. No matter what CPU put in there, it was too slow
52:36 <MrMobodies> Nighty
52:48 <MrMobodies> that was before they brought the boards
53:31 <MrMobodies> I think it did cache some removable cpu cache chips on there but it didn't matter
55:08 <MrMobodies> that Intel OR840, did it have large noisey fans?
55:38 <MrMobodies> I was given a Dell Poweredge 2400, and I pulled out the fans, there was a fault where all the fans spin up at the max speed
55:45 <MrMobodies> and it sounded like a vacuum cleaner
56:13 <DHess_US> While I had the drive cage out, I oiled the fan bearings.
56:17 <Halcyon> *smirk*
56:18 <Halcyon> :)
56:37 <MrMobodies> so it quitened down
57:14 <MrMobodies> I replaced the fans in there with Thermaltake and pwm controllers
57:45 <MrMobodies> but it still noisey with the way the casing is
00:02 <MrMobodies> Does yours take Rambus, I thought I could see the blue ram module covers
00:07 <MrMobodies> on some pictures
00:16 <Halcyon> Hey steve30, you still up?
01:21 <DHess_US> Not this machine but I have an Intel dual slot 1 RAMBUS board with 2 x pentium 3 700 MHz.
01:48 <DHess_US> I don't remember how much memory it supports, probably 2GB ECC.
03:23 <MrMobodies> I remembered when I brought my first one in Pc World in 1999. There was forgein worker and he had a turban on his head
03:38 <MrMobodies> He was opened them showing me what was inside
04:24 <DHess_US> Oh, that's the Intel OR840, https://www.anandtech.com/show/715/9
05:38 <DHess_US> The Xeon one I have is an Intel MX440GX, http://www.store-47.com/images/cpu/intel-ms440gx.JPG
06:18 <MrMobodies> I see it has got separate power supplies
06:25 <MrMobodies> board modules in the back
07:01 <DHess_US> yes, it uses plug-in VRM modules.
08:33 <MrMobodies> I like the capacitors
08:53 <MrMobodies> that similar with Gigabytes
10:23 <MrMobodies> The one in Pcworld that I brought was an Advent 8712. They opened it up and Gigabyte 6BXE, Voodoo 3200, 128MB sdram, 12gb Segaate medalist hard drive
10:41 <MrMobodies> then this man said if you want some decent look at this one
10:47 <MrMobodies> it was a Compaq
11:18 <MrMobodies> they only good thing about it, it had a single door, and Voodoo 3300, but the board looked cheap
11:29 <MrMobodies> just a couple of large caps and that's it
11:42 <MrMobodies> and that cost I think £300 more
14:27 <MrMobodies> but I still got the board but in a different case the original one was too long and had hardly any vents in there
34:46 <MrMobodies> Well I got to go to bed now
34:52 <MrMobodies> See you tomorrow
34:56 <MrMobodies> night
55:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'm Waterproof https://t.co/lxrZjZhION
48:52 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I've reached the quota limit of my website youtube plugin. What fresh new Youtube hell is this? https://t.co/0ySPmGSrGL
19:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Teeta: This guy has just won the internet. https://t.co/wQWvKw4jco
25:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: and it gets better. They have 100 and 200 character *minimum* requirements on many of the test field boxes.
26:08 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Andrew Zonenberg: Going to be charging extra for reworking boards with black soldermask in the future. Trying to precisely machine into traces that are the same exact color as their surroundings is ANNOYING!
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32:35 <hsn93> rust_collector
32:51 <hsn93> hello
32:53 <hsn93> hi
32:55 <hsn93> hello
32:55 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn93!
04:47 <Halcyon> YAY officially finished work for the day :D
04:52 <Halcyon> Time to take off my pants
06:12 <hsn93> naked @ home ?
06:45 <hsn93> wtf , the IT sent document that contains (how to access vpn from home)
07:11 <hsn93> and the step is (running \\public-ip) which will open file server !?
07:39 <hsn93> how is this called VPN ?
11:49 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/9OFrMi.jpg
14:35 <hsn93> isnt that just directory shared through public ip ?!
22:23 <hsn93> huh ok nvm i was stupid
35:38 <Halcyon> Haha
38:26 <hsn93> well they put the first step last step ... last step first step :) .. vpn = last .. accessing the shared folder = first step ..
03:48 <Halcyon> https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/censorship/pornhub-premium-goes-free-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/news-story/faf7befc017f35098fcb61983b9303d2
12:10 <steve30> I guess you'll be watching a lot?
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26:15 <Halcyon> :P
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12:57 <Halcyon> Oh dear
12:57 <Halcyon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqthspSKZV8
13:08 <Halcyon> I knew I shouldn't have stumbled into Finnish musi
13:08 <Halcyon> c
14:19 <Halcyon> I mean they are talented, but, just no
40:26 <Ysjoelfir> XD
04:52 * hsn93 XD BACK TO U
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14:14 <Lemon> hello bois
14:14 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Lemon!
17:44 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
17:49 <Halcyon> My favourite citrus
21:00 <hsn93> hello lemon
21:06 <hsn93> how its going
23:07 <Lemon> hello hello
23:07 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Lemon!
23:13 <Lemon> wow double
23:19 <Lemon> well, my tooth hurts
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24:33 <hsn93> did u bite Ysjeolfir belly yesterday lemon ?
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25:57 <Lemon> heh no its been like, 3 months now
26:21 <Lemon> and its really hard to get an appoitement, I had one but it was cancelled one day before, thanks to corona
26:36 <hsn93> :] fck
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45:47 <Ysjoelfir> hello lemon!
46:00 <Ysjoelfir> is hsn right? did oyu bite me?
46:12 <Ysjoelfir> or was it realy a sausage that poked its way through?
47:30 <Ysjoelfir> (it stopped bleeding, by the way. now it's itching x.x)
50:47 <hsn93> itching because a lemon touched it
51:27 <hsn93> citric/acidic what ever chemical word is right..
52:31 <hsn93> btw Ysjoelfir altium has new series for RF stuff
52:33 <hsn93> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxOJXILlRxM&t=1111s
53:04 <Ysjoelfir> that will be the reason! lemon! shame on you!
53:09 <Ysjoelfir> yikes, RF :P
53:25 <hsn93> u dont like it ?
08:03 <Ysjoelfir> I am more the lf guy. stuff that is waaaay to fast to hear isn't that interesting for me
09:20 <Lemon> hey peeps I have a question, on my hp counter im using the x10 attenuation right now, with a 2v p-p sinewave (10Mhz)
09:35 <Lemon> so thats a 200mv amplitude now, right ?
09:41 <Lemon> well the counter sees it as 200mv
10:16 <hsn93> u can always hear with extra stuff Ysjoelfir : https://snipboard.io/PfSJQd.jpg xD
11:48 <hsn93> Lemon i think right
12:00 <hsn93> Ysjeolfir knows more
12:43 <Ysjoelfir> sounds about right Lemon
12:55 <Lemon> so as its input can take 5V max
13:02 <Lemon> I can safely turn it to x1 attenuation ?
13:12 <Lemon> or do I need to stop the measurement first ?
17:15 <Lemon> okkkk I think I found why sometimes it shows too many zeros
17:20 <Lemon> or theres a decimal point error
17:35 <Lemon> it can occur with the wrong gate time/display position setting
18:58 <hsn93> Ysjeolfir do u know this product : https://www.polarinstruments.com/products/stackup/Speedstack_PCB.html ?
32:34 <Lemon> damn its boring waiting 1000s for a measurement xD
32:40 <Lemon> I finally found the weird decimal issue
32:54 <Lemon> the vernier was not a vernier, its a regular switch with multiple clicks
33:03 <Lemon> it was not screwed
33:17 <Lemon> 11:48
33:24 <Lemon> for the next measurement, lets wait
38:22 <Lemon> ho I got some stuff in the mailbox for once
38:34 <Lemon> stackable gpib cables, and two iron tips for my ts100
41:39 <Lemon> damn they are heavy, you could easily fight with it
41:44 <Ysjoelfir> no hsn93. what is it?
42:22 <hsn93> some stackup software ..
42:50 <hsn93> saw it here : https://youtu.be/Lb3sEcolkOA?t=556 and wanted to have somthing like this ^
43:07 <hsn93> so i though maybe u used an alternative
08:08 <K> hello
08:08 <EEVBlog> Hello there, K!
08:11 <K> win!
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50:32 <Ampera> morning
51:20 <Ampera> UPS is holding my headphones, my guess is they don't have enough drivers to deliver it
51:55 <MrMobodies> Certain websites don't seem to be working
52:05 <MrMobodies> Oh sorry it stuck
52:10 <MrMobodies> Morning
52:21 <MrMobodies> but they work on a proxy
52:22 <Ysjoelfir> Hello Ampera and MrMobodies
52:22 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
52:24 <Ampera> mightcome today
52:31 * Ampera smacks EEVBlog and Ysjoelfir 
52:35 <Ysjoelfir> xD
52:37 <Ysjoelfir> poor bot
53:05 <Ampera> how are things in the forbidden zone, Ysjoelfir
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54:34 <Ysjoelfir> great, thanks! :) and overseas?
55:37 <MrMobodies> I am just going to reboot the firewall,
56:02 <K> holding them hostage, Ampera?
56:05 <Ysjoelfir> but then all the nasties will come visit you, MrMobodies!
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00:25 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, Congress just passed a 2.3 trillion dollar financial relief bill
00:44 <Ampera> We haven't spent this kind of money since World War 2
01:55 <Ysjoelfir> I always get confused with the english way of writing magnitudes.... a trillion is.... 1.000.000.000.000?
02:44 <Ampera> Yes.
02:51 <Ampera> each higher magnitude is another three zeros
02:56 <Ampera> also our zero separator is a ,
03:03 <Ampera> so 1 trillion is 1,000,000,000,000
03:19 <Ysjoelfir> so aditional three zeroes would be a... quadrillion?
03:23 <Ampera> a quadrillion (tri 3 quad 4) is 1,000,000,000,000,000
03:35 <Ampera> the quad means how many of those groups ahead of a thousand there are
03:52 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds so much more logical than the german way :D
04:01 <Ampera> I forget the German way
04:05 <Ampera> what is it
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05:00 <Ysjoelfir> Starting from 1.000.000: Millionen, Milliarden, Billionen, Billiarden, Trillionen, Trilliarden, and I doubt there is anything beyond that
05:51 <MrMobodies> I found out what it was... silly me, I had a camera with an IP address and I didn't unset it.
06:10 <Ampera> We have the same method
06:27 <MrMobodies> It was on the default settings but it doesn't use DHCP by default on the reset
06:30 <Ampera> Million and Milliard is a system still used within English, just not as commonly, especially within the US
07:33 <MrMobodies> milliards, learn't someone new already.
07:58 <Ysjoelfir> but it's a bit stupid compared to just saying how many blocks of zeroes there are, isn't it?
09:35 <MrMobodies> it's nice to know the names too
09:43 <MrMobodies> I have something to relate it to
09:58 <MrMobodies> thank you for that
10:29 <Ysjoelfir> :)
23:12 <Lemon> a doctor in france come back to his home at night, sees he doesnt have water anymore, he's tired af and simply wants to shower so he calls a plumber, the plumber asks for 1200 euros (for a 15 minutes job)
23:35 <Lemon> he calls Julien Courbet, a well known lawyer that helps people on the radio about those silly cases
23:38 <Ysjoelfir> what?
23:45 <Lemon> Julien calls the firm where the plumber works
23:47 <Ysjoelfir> 1.2k€!?
23:55 <Lemon> tells him that the price is outrageous, this person is already saving lives
23:58 <Lemon> can you do something about it ?
24:05 <Lemon> 'only 15% less, no more sorry'
24:13 <Lemon> incredible
24:32 <Lemon> 'its expensive because its the night, and in a weekend'
24:59 <Ysjoelfir> well, sure, but?
30:18 <Lemon> but nothing, they are dumbfucks that are ready to do everything for money
30:22 <Lemon> thats how it works in Paris
30:26 <Lemon> everything is stupid expensive
30:31 <Lemon> but like, fucking stupid expensive
31:35 <Ysjoelfir> lol
45:41 <Lemon> also I did some more tries with the HP counter
46:00 <Lemon> on a 1hz signal, it can shows down to 100 picohz !!
46:14 <Lemon> show
47:15 <Ysjoelfir> lol. sweet :P that would be pretty slow
48:42 <Lemon> heh yeah ! I didnt know it had that resolution :>
50:11 <Ysjoelfir> sure it has. but does it have the accuracy to use it?^^
52:07 <MrMobodies> I was trying to call a specialist in a private hospital for some cough medicine
52:18 <MrMobodies> they wanted £137 per phone consultation
52:57 <MrMobodies> the NHS GP called back to say that, they couldn't prescibe the banned cough medicine because there is a national shortage of medicine
53:49 <MrMobodies> I asked the private hospital can they please check if they can provide it before I pay to speak to the specialist
54:15 <MrMobodies> they called back and they told me they didn't know anything about any shortage of medicine
54:50 <MrMobodies> I told them if I was desperate I'd call back but they were quick... and how they ended the call
55:11 <MrMobodies> I could here the potential to make money out of me wasn't there anymore so they were not interested
55:19 <MrMobodies> *hear not here sorry
55:47 <MrMobodies> I bet they knew there was a shortage so I would pay for a pointless phone call
56:07 <MrMobodies> I am hearing shortages all over in chemists
58:14 <Ysjoelfir> wow
58:30 <MrMobodies> the NHS has banned mang prespriction medicine even if I offered to pay for it and i have justify it. Because cheaper less effective alternatives are available over they try to tell me to get that but they do nothing and cause me more harm.
59:26 <MrMobodies> presprcription medicine is not the same as over the counter they are a lot stronger for certain health conditions.
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