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00:02:55 <Lemon> yay the little lab supply got sent
00:03:23 <Lemon> I couldnt resist, a little Sodilce 9v 2,4 amp supply
00:04:56 <Lemon> Sodilec
00:05:08 <Lemon> a french brand, it even got french labelling
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00:58:45 <Ysjoelfir> [13:54:58] <Lemon> the holy grail of analog scopes
00:58:49 <Ysjoelfir> infidel!
00:58:59 <Ysjoelfir> the Tek502A is the holy grail!!!!!!1111one
01:04:07 <Ysjoelfir> oh, he's gone
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02:49:02 <hsn993> cya
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03:11:00 <Lemon> hey rust_collector
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03:58:19 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/1pc-Tektronix-TEK-P6139A-500MHz-8-0PF-300V-Passive-Voltage-Probe-tested/142492399486?_trkparms=aid%3D555018%26algo%3DPL.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3D8d96edf9a99144cea04136479f53e1ec%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D4%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dco%26sd%3D153739047145%26itm%3D142492399486%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DSimplAMLv5PairwiseWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851 for you guys, is it genuine ?
04:01:16 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Sell-Tektronix-P6139A-500Mhz-10M-8-0pF-10x-Passive-Sonde/164116756405?hash=item26361ef7b5:g:ny4AAOSwsWpeYg9H
04:01:20 <Lemon> sorry, this one
04:05:15 <DHess_US> It will work fine but so will these, https://www.ebay.fr/itm/One-new-500MHZ-Oscilloscope-clip-probe-w-readout-pin-TX6250/220306076099?hash=item334b43f1c3:g:bqIAAOSwHMJYNqGu
04:06:40 <Lemon> well I already bought one pair second hand
04:06:45 <Lemon> not a pair, a probe sorry
04:06:50 <Lemon> so I wanted a second one
04:06:55 <Lemon> they look guenuine to you ?
04:07:48 <DHess_US> Yes, they look like the right probes. Scans of the Tektronix catalogs are available online if you want to check.
04:08:11 <DHess_US> What model oscilloscope is it for? TDS540? Any suffix letters?
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04:20:11 <JoePublic> hi
04:23:32 <DHess_US> For the TDS540 (no letters), the recommended probe is P6139A
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04:56:36 <Lemon> yes its a 540
04:56:46 <Lemon> and yeah I read tha its the 6139a, so its perfect
05:00:56 <DHess_US> Lemon, but the one I linked would work fine also.
05:01:23 <Lemon> ho sure ! but you know, I already bought one, so I think its better to use the same probes on both channels :>
05:01:33 <Lemon> and its a tek one ! I like it when brand matches :>
05:01:37 <DHess_US> The Tektronix probe is made for the TDS540 and the one I linked would require adjustment for best performance but you would probably never notice.
05:02:01 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1551389653.htm/
05:02:17 <Lemon> I also saw this one, bandwith is inferior but I thought why not get it in case I need a third one
05:02:31 <Lemon> capacitance is right
05:02:34 <DHess_US> adjusting a probe requires a fast pulse generator like this, http://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=295
05:03:27 <Lemon> hmmm interesting thanks
05:03:32 <Lemon> I ididnt know
05:11:26 <Lemon> you have any opinions on the siglent 1032X up-hacked to a 1062X, vs the rigol DG series uphacked too ?
05:11:49 <Lemon> Ive read the siglent got better square waves and overall signal quality, and I prefer the build quality too
05:12:06 <Lemon> the rigol got a touchscreen that I dont like, but higher bandwidth, 16 bits vs 14 bits, and more memory
05:12:13 <Lemon> idk if I need a lot of memory though
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05:22:45 <rust_collector> morning, and... it is weekend!
05:35:13 <Lemon> hello rusty
05:35:29 <rust_collector> hello Lemon and mr bot
05:35:59 <Lemon> I drove 600km yesterday
05:36:10 <rust_collector> mmhmm
05:36:18 <Lemon> and got the new boi :>
05:36:39 <Lemon> perfect condition, perfectly working
05:36:43 <rust_collector> boi boi boi
05:36:44 <Lemon> and the guy gave me 4 bnc cables
05:36:49 <rust_collector> nice
05:37:11 <Lemon> I bought a 500mhz tek probe (that was shipped with this scope) for 60 euros with shipping, and offered 50 euros for a second one
05:37:46 <Lemon> also probably buying a 300mhz tek one thats for 20 euros with shipping on leboncoin
05:37:54 <Lemon> if I need a third channel, who knows
05:38:00 <Lemon> its a neat deal that I can always re-sell
05:38:09 <Lemon> im also debating to get the mini tek scope to flip it for a profit
05:38:17 <rust_collector> you have to use a few channels, just to mix things up a bit
05:38:38 <rust_collector> no no, get the mini tek, and sell it for a huge loss..... please
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05:39:10 <Ampera> hi ThunderSqueak, how are you doing?
05:39:23 <Lemon> its at 100 + something for shipping, with two stock probes and the side pouch
05:39:28 <Lemon> it sells for a lot more
05:39:34 <Lemon> I saw some selling for 3-400 usd
05:39:53 <Lemon> hello thundersqueak
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05:43:32 <ThunderSqueak> hi there
05:43:41 <ThunderSqueak> doing ok, just eating a salad
05:43:47 <ThunderSqueak> for breakfast XD
05:45:06 <rust_collector> saaaalaaaadd
05:46:38 <Lemon> hmmm theres a fluke 187 for 80 euros
05:46:43 <Lemon> fuck too many things
05:46:56 <rust_collector> I think I told you about that
05:46:59 <Lemon> my list of wanted tings is too big
05:48:52 <Lemon> https://www.leboncoin.fr/outillage_materiaux_2nd_oeuvre/1763427848.htm/
05:48:59 <Lemon> comes with probes, a pouch and a clamp it seems
05:49:12 <Lemon> I wanted a nice handheld dmm, but well it wasnt planned for now
05:51:27 <rust_collector> I think I will go back to looking for a clamp meter
05:51:41 <Lemon> I still look for an analog one :>
05:51:48 <Lemon> but I dont want to spend too much, 20 euros or so on it
05:51:59 <Lemon> the next big thing is a arb gen
05:52:06 <Lemon> either the siglent 1032X or something else
05:52:19 <Lemon> rigol ones looks great on paper but uhghh ugly fuckers and touchscreen, bleh
05:52:26 <rust_collector> i wonder if they made analog dc clamps
05:55:46 <Lemon> I wonder that too
05:57:40 <Lemon> hmm the fluke measures up to 500Mohms, nice
05:58:01 <Lemon> 0.025% dc accuracy, pretty neat for a handheld
05:58:43 <rust_collector> I found a fluke 789 for sale, if you are interested in something slightly different
05:58:59 <Lemon> they are nice, how much for it ? but shipping will kill the deal I guess
05:59:21 <rust_collector> if you want to pay for this thing, shipping is not an issue
06:00:29 <Lemon> I think I'll stay on the 187 for 85 euros total :>
06:00:32 <rust_collector> 573 euros
06:00:42 <rust_collector> used
06:00:50 <Lemon> its overpriced by a huge margin
06:00:59 <rust_collector> oh yes, it is yellow
06:02:09 <Lemon> I mean 85 euros for the 187 is fine
06:02:19 <Lemon> its a nice price, its sturdy, neat features etc
06:02:23 <Lemon> but the new price ? heh
06:03:32 <rust_collector> you should get a fluke LPAK80-4
06:04:21 <Lemon> boarf I wont use it
06:04:31 <rust_collector> boarf, lol
06:04:46 <rust_collector> but it meets the specs and stuff
06:05:27 <rust_collector> everything is overpriced up here
06:07:17 <Lemon> hence why I get everything second hand
06:07:38 <rust_collector> I mean everything. that includes used crap
06:14:57 <hsn> Lemon
06:15:07 <Lemon> yeshh
06:15:12 <hsn> i measure till Giga ohm
06:15:24 <Lemon> I wish I could !
06:15:37 <rust_collector> I don't care! it is weekend up here
06:16:10 <hsn> weekend here too
06:16:19 <Lemon> weekend is everyday here
06:16:35 <rust_collector> thanks to that virus, I got tomorrow off
06:16:37 <rust_collector> YAAY!
06:16:42 <Lemon> yehhhh
06:16:43 <hsn> which virus
06:16:52 <Lemon> guess !
06:16:59 <rust_collector> I dunno? I have lots of them
06:17:03 <Lemon> its named after a famous american beer
06:17:29 <hsn> bejing ?
06:17:37 <rust_collector> oh, are you going to discuss america now?
06:17:53 <Lemon> nahhhh
06:17:56 <Lemon> he asked which virus
06:17:59 <Lemon> I gave a hint
06:18:16 <hsn> i live in simulation
06:18:36 <rust_collector> well, you could mention it is just to the south of the us of a, maybe?
06:19:11 <hsn> infact, im Ampera AI bot ..
06:19:17 <hsn> hello
06:19:41 <rust_collector> a bit slow... that makes sense, you are just a test anyway
06:19:56 <hsn> my older brother "@EEVBLOG Bot" doesnt like me as u can see
06:20:23 <hsn> rust_collector, sorry i dont understand that...
06:22:14 <rust_collector> good good. then I will stay around for a bit longer
06:22:43 <hsn> did you mean byte/8 ?
06:23:45 <rust_collector> I am organic, I do not always mean things
06:23:52 <rust_collector> try to figure that out
06:24:05 <hsn> im big indian ..
06:24:09 <hsn> :)
06:25:04 <hsn> Ampera made me
06:25:18 <hsn> he forgot to support indianness
06:32:02 <Lemon> I think I'll buy the fluke
06:32:14 <Lemon> it sells for 170 to 250 euros elsewhere
06:32:19 <rust_collector> I do not doubt you will, lol
06:32:21 <Lemon> if I dont use it, I'll just sell it
06:32:43 <Lemon> I regretted to miss the last deal on a 289
06:32:48 <Lemon> it was at 120 euros, insane
06:32:52 <Lemon> those are 400+
06:32:55 <rust_collector> it sounds like too much meter for me
06:33:04 <Lemon> yeah the 187 is fine
06:33:08 <Lemon> ranges are wide, which is nice
06:33:17 <Lemon> like 1 pf to 50mf, thats neat for capacitors
06:33:22 <Lemon> 500Mohms max, etc etc
06:33:30 <Lemon> 4.5 digits so neat resolution, decent dc accuracy
06:33:35 <Lemon> perfect for me as a handheld
06:34:13 <Lemon> probes, clamp and pouch is a ncie thing, even if the dude marked something with a maker on it lol
06:34:15 <Lemon> but I dont care
06:35:32 <Lemon> grrr leboncoin taking 3.2 euros of fees for it
06:36:24 <Lemon> done, wait and see now !
06:36:40 <rust_collector> ......................
06:37:33 <Lemon> one of my rule is, if I get something and dont use it, it need to be sellable for at least what I paid for
06:37:44 <Lemon> this one can easily be sold for the double, if needed
06:37:48 <Lemon> but I'll use it
06:38:18 <Lemon> and its paid with the money I got from selling something
06:38:26 <Lemon> everything fine
06:41:56 <rust_collector> probably the most sane thing I have heard about you buying, lol
06:42:14 <Lemon> ho but I do that for everything over 20 euros !
06:42:30 <Lemon> I got 700 euros out of my laptop
06:42:37 <Lemon> thats why I bought the scope, probes, that dmm... etc
06:42:50 <rust_collector> but, I just mean that it is probably the most useful thing for the money
06:43:05 <Lemon> now that the initial 1k budget is over, I sell stuff to get new stuff
06:43:24 <Lemon> I do that because else I'd be living outside in a cardboard
06:43:26 <Lemon> knowing me
06:43:42 <rust_collector> and calculate the inflation, so maybe you can spend 1200?
06:43:57 <rust_collector> ah, yes, cardboard
06:44:01 <Lemon> if I wait enough maybe ! but its spent now :>
06:44:47 <rust_collector> I still wonder if I can build a usable "house" out of cardboard and hot glue, and a layer of some coating or paint
06:45:16 <Lemon> add power tape for insulation
06:46:35 <rust_collector> I feel like having a tiny "house" more like a tent-house, that I can plop on my trailer, and go... away
06:47:42 <Lemon> heh why not
06:47:53 <Lemon> I loved the mini lab on an eevblog video
06:48:04 <Lemon> a metrology mini lab on wheels
06:52:28 <rust_collector> sounds tricky
06:54:07 <Lemon> ho and with the fluke, I'll finally have a proper continuty tester !
06:54:12 <Lemon> continuity
06:56:06 <Lemon> but first lets wait the guy actually send it, people in france are quite dumb when it takes to use the internets
06:56:33 <Lemon> the built in paiement system is easy, but well it happenned twice to me that someone asked me for a cheque or pickup once I paid
06:56:42 <Lemon> 'but but I never ticked the case'
06:56:50 <Lemon> you did, on at least 3 occasions, as the process implies it
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07:53:08 <Ysjoelfir> Hi all
07:55:02 <Ysjoelfir> Just listened to the "emergency precautions" our stupid government decided on. I am once more astonished how much stupidity so few people can create
07:55:24 <Lemon> hi ! schools etc are closed, as of now
07:55:32 <Lemon> our dear president is speaking
07:55:53 <Ysjoelfir> in germany they "decided" that it isn't neccessary
07:55:59 <Ysjoelfir> because fuck people
07:56:39 <Ysjoelfir> "schools is business of the land regions, not business of the country. So WE won't decide on anything"
07:56:52 <Lemon> pfff sucks
07:56:57 <Lemon> but in a few days I guess it will be closed
07:57:17 <Ysjoelfir> I don't think so. that would mean that they would have to admit that they made stupid "decisions" before
07:57:37 <Lemon> well, if everyone is pointing at them, they'll eventually do it
07:57:40 <Lemon> but they wont admit it
07:57:41 <coppice_> They need a doctor. a spin doctor
08:03:06 <Ysjoelfir> what i find most ironic is, that the discussion group that just was on tv was: mrs "my fingers are stuck, I hate glue!"-merkel, mr. "populism is a great thing in germany! - what? my own party doesn't like me? fuck them!"-Markus Söder and some financial guy that once has studied medicine, but was actually a mayor of hamburg and involved in some financial tax fraud of 47 million €.
08:04:12 <Lemon> its not germany's problem, the main problem is humans with some power given to them
08:04:41 <Ysjoelfir> I would personally have expected: Merkel, medicine minister (which is actually a banker and never studied anything remotely involved in medicine) and at least one virologist and one agent of the healthcare system
08:12:10 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/h953NXr.jpg
08:12:33 <Ysjoelfir> that's pretty much the way our politicians think the whole thing works
08:36:12 <rust_collector> HeY mR Y
08:36:22 <Ysjoelfir> hi r
08:36:31 <rust_collector> sinister minister
08:37:21 <rust_collector> I got tomorrow off, because of new thingies
08:37:25 <rust_collector> good times
08:38:31 <Ysjoelfir> nice :) I have got a replacement brake for my motorcycle, but no day off ^^
08:39:00 <rust_collector> did you get the "new" bike?
08:39:18 <rust_collector> I mean, 3 wheel tractor
08:42:48 <Ysjoelfir> no. that is why I decided to repair the old one
08:43:28 <rust_collector> ok, but that one was sort of neat too, if I remember it at all
08:43:59 <Ysjoelfir> Yamaha SR500. I like that thing actually
08:44:08 <rust_collector> you could always fit a skateboard and a beer crate on the side
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08:46:34 <Ysjoelfir> xD
08:46:53 <rust_collector> do those things react well to a bit of compression? I have a feeling they are somewhat on the low pressure side?
08:48:05 <Ysjoelfir> sr500s? nah. it has much compression. you can't kick it without using the decompression lever
08:49:01 <rust_collector> well, you get all the ccs in one hole, so it has to be hard to get going
08:49:29 <DHess_US> That's what she said!
08:49:33 <Ysjoelfir> it is. there are regularely contests who gets it going the fastest (and without breaking your knee if it kicks back)
08:49:36 <Ysjoelfir> xD
08:50:18 <rust_collector> some people has enough time to do that
08:56:40 <Ysjoelfir> it'S actually not that hard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK1OaEriLbo
08:58:44 <Ysjoelfir> even I can do it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8IBni_fwng at least 8 years ago I could
09:21:17 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Gvwe-Qc38
09:21:24 <rust_collector> weird things
09:22:11 <Ysjoelfir> that looks weird
09:22:31 <rust_collector> yep, I like it
09:41:31 <Ysjoelfir> gn8 :)
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12:45:05 <Halcyon> Afternoon all
13:59:00 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Chris Anderson: Looks like most California public schools will close next week. Wish they would consider using something other than @zoom_us for remote teaching -- it's starting to become overloaded. They already use Google docs for everything. Why not use Hangouts, too?
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16:55:07 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Retweet: Shaun 🅙: This is a picture of an asteroid crater in Arizona... Look how close it came to hitting the visitors centre... https://t.co/hJgOxNxyLd
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17:03:33 <Lemon> hi thugs
17:20:17 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: All DHL flights to South Korea suspended for the rest of March.
17:48:28 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: What a day on the aussie stock market. Down 8% on the opening bell, up 4% by end of day. https://t.co/ZpVOCPpBrK
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18:09:07 <Ysjoelfir> moin
18:09:18 <Lemon> gutenmorgen
18:09:52 <Ysjoelfir> Auch dir einen guten Morgen, la cîtròén! :)
18:10:20 <Lemon> danke schon ! :>
18:11:26 <Ysjoelfir> you may have missed that yesterday:
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18:11:34 <Ysjoelfir> [2020-03-12 14:58:45] <Ysjoelfir> [13:54:58] <Lemon> the holy grail of analog scopes
18:11:34 <Ysjoelfir> [2020-03-12 14:58:48] <Ysjoelfir> infidel!
18:11:34 <Ysjoelfir> [2020-03-12 14:58:59] <Ysjoelfir> the Tek502A is the holy grail!!!!!!1111one
18:11:34 <Ysjoelfir> [2020-03-12 15:04:06] <Ysjoelfir> oh, he's gone
18:11:49 <Lemon> pfrrrt :>
18:11:54 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :)
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18:25:19 <Lemon> ho btw dude
18:25:22 <Lemon> gimme your paypal pls !
18:27:10 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.paypal.me/Ysjoelfir/2999
18:27:57 <Lemon> haha shit interests went high !
18:28:00 <Ysjoelfir> :D
18:29:00 <Lemon> done :>
18:29:01 <Ysjoelfir> you can leave the number in the url and type the correct one, if you didn't already know^^
18:29:19 <Ysjoelfir> muchos gracias :)
18:29:19 <Lemon> ho I simply changed by clicking on it :>
18:29:25 <Lemon> thanks to you !
18:29:31 <Lemon> yesterday I bought some more stuff....
18:29:41 <Lemon> remember that wooden arnaud chauvin meter ?
18:29:47 <Lemon> he listed it again for 6 euros xD
18:29:54 <Lemon> 10 with shipping so well
18:30:07 <Lemon> also bought a 300mhz tek probe, 20 with shipping
18:30:22 <Lemon> also a fluke 187 with probes, amp clamp and a pouch for 88 euros total
18:30:31 <Lemon> (coulddnt resist, I needed a nice handheld dmm)
18:30:48 <Lemon> one P6139A probe (500mhz) for 60 or so
18:31:05 <Lemon> two tips for ts100 + that little holder/sponge
18:31:18 <Lemon> a cute 9v/2.4 amps power supply for 34 :>
18:31:46 <Lemon> so I miss a second P6139A, I offered 50 for one on ebay
18:32:24 <Lemon> I wanted an arb gen but idk if I'll have enough xD
18:33:25 <Ysjoelfir> xD So you kind of escalated? :P
18:36:07 <Lemon> yeah a bit :P I just hope that I wont have to change caps in the tds 540 soon !
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18:36:29 <Lemon> I kinda want a HV power supply too :>
18:36:37 <Lemon> there was a 1kv 200ma for 120 euros but its sold
18:36:46 <Ysjoelfir> I wanted to sell you one :P
18:37:08 <Lemon> yeahhh true but the missing module kinda bothered me x) and I didnt had the funds atm :>
18:40:27 <Lemon> but im still interested, if you want to sell the complete one :>
18:44:34 <Ysjoelfir> nah. i need that one, probably
18:44:52 <Lemon> yeah I figured it, no worries :>
18:45:11 <Lemon> do you have any opinions on the siglent 1032X and rigol DG8XX series ?
18:46:41 <Ysjoelfir> Havent used any of them
18:47:14 <Lemon> I kinda prefer the siglent, better looks, feels more robust, no touchscreen, I red that squarewaves are better, etc
18:47:35 <Lemon> but on paper, the rigol is better, higher bandwith, 16 vs 14 bits vertical resolution, more memory
18:47:49 <Lemon> but it got a touchscreen, its ugly af, no keypad
18:47:53 <Lemon> but its a tad cheaper
18:48:13 <Lemon> siglent one looks a better choice despite some lower specs
18:49:20 <Lemon> once hacked it still got a 60Mhz bandwith, 14 bits vertical resolution, 16k of memory (much lower, but do I really care ? idk yet)
18:50:31 <Lemon> both got two channels
18:53:37 <Ysjoelfir> sometimes I am so happy that english isn't my native language. So I don't have to be ashamed if I write something wrong
18:53:55 <Lemon> yeah I make a lotta mistakes
18:53:59 <Lemon> so whatcha think ?
18:54:16 <Ysjoelfir> otoh I can silently lough about native speakers that write shit like that:
18:54:17 <Lemon> the rigol can be hacked up to 100Mhz, and got a bigger memory
18:54:35 <Lemon> and is like 60 euros cheaper
18:54:35 <Ysjoelfir> Hi Jan,
18:54:35 <Ysjoelfir> I hope your fine!
18:54:35 <Ysjoelfir> I need RMA for device 442216543.
18:54:35 <Ysjoelfir> Thx!
18:54:44 <Ysjoelfir> Take the rigol
18:54:47 <Lemon> haa the famouse your
18:55:00 <Lemon> yeah but, the touchscreen, lack of keypad, the ugly build...
18:55:04 <Lemon> that bothers me a lot
18:55:10 <Ysjoelfir> but its a rigol
18:55:14 <Ysjoelfir> way better than siglent
18:55:17 <Lemon> yeah but siglent is good too
18:55:26 <Ysjoelfir> I don't know?
18:55:26 <Lemon> its no owon/hantek
18:55:29 <Ysjoelfir> is it?
18:55:34 <Lemon> siglent/rigol is close yeah
18:55:40 <Lemon> from what ive read on various products
18:55:46 <Lemon> some siglents outperform rigols
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18:55:59 <Lemon> regarding build quality siglent is really good
18:56:40 <Lemon> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.batronix.com%2Fshop%2Fwaveform-generator%2FRigol-DG811.html&psig=AOvVaw13N4xjp-XQgIcoUwB9oEsv&ust=1584172586808000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCPiisfT8lugCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAK
18:56:45 <Lemon> its really fugly :/
18:56:50 <Lemon> and I hate touchscreens
18:57:24 <Lemon> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.batronix.com%2Fshop%2Fwaveform-generator%2FSiglent-SDG1032X.html&psig=AOvVaw2uy7cBiDdIzG-7pGBEGSSs&ust=1584172624279000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCLDe7Ib9lugCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD the siglent looks better/sturdier, you can remove those gray bumpers
18:57:53 <Ysjoelfir> the siglent looks like a HP erm Agilent erm Keyshite
18:58:03 <Lemon> yeah its not far
18:58:08 <Lemon> its a bit more sober
18:58:14 <Lemon> still nothing like old stuff but well
18:58:24 <Lemon> on the second hand market nothing come close in term of price
18:58:31 <Lemon> if I want those features, its easily 1.5k-2k +
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19:01:26 <Lemon> also the siglent makes better square waves I think, which is a nice thing
19:01:40 <Lemon> I dont really mind the lower bw, 60Mhz is plenty
19:02:04 <Lemon> the lower memory well, idk if I need to store a shitton of waveforms honestly
19:04:37 <Ysjoelfir> I never needed an ARB at all in my life. regular WFG was always enough for me
19:04:56 <Lemon> im telling myself that too
19:05:06 <Lemon> but you know it can be nice for me, to learn some stuff
19:05:16 <Lemon> im sad that the triggering doesnt work on my wavetek
19:05:31 <Lemon> and its hard to take a look as you have to remove every pots/buttons, bncs etc
19:05:36 <Lemon> they are soldered
19:06:03 <Lemon> also its a bit overwhelming for me even with such a nice manual with troubleshooting tips
19:06:08 <Lemon> its hard to find components
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19:26:18 <Ysjoelfir> Don't we all like that one workmate that makes a screenshot using the "print" key, kopies that into a word document, makes a zip from that file and sends it over e-mail?
19:27:22 <Lemon> ofc. with right clicking send an email, opens up Mail or Outlook to do it
19:28:36 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
19:29:11 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, we have a fileserver with a temporary file exchange drive, and every PC has snipping tool and irfan view. but hey. why would you use that
19:32:14 <Lemon> yeah well, people are dumb
19:32:15 <Lemon> ho btw
19:32:26 <Lemon> with your function gen, whats the highest freq you needed ?
19:32:45 <Lemon> sometimes you missed a higher bandwith ?
19:32:56 <Ysjoelfir> since I mainly do stuff in audio frequencies I would say... maybe a few hundred kHz
19:33:19 <Ysjoelfir> no, I don't misse anything higher. My Toellner goes up to 10 MHz iirc, thats fine for me
19:33:54 <Lemon> ok I see
19:34:05 <Lemon> it would be nice if I could fix the wavetek's missing functions
19:34:15 <Lemon> I hate it when my stuff isnt working at 100%
19:34:24 <Ysjoelfir> I totally understand that.
19:34:35 <Ysjoelfir> Which is why I fix my motorcycle soon
19:34:35 <Lemon> also another option is those cheap feeltech, feelelec idk
19:34:47 <Lemon> on paper they got the same specs as the siglent
19:35:03 <Ysjoelfir> don't do that
19:35:18 <Lemon> why ?
19:35:36 <Lemon> I mean, im looking a video right now, it doesnt look that bad
19:36:30 <Lemon> 14 bits, 60mhz, 2 channels, 250ms/s (higher than the siglent/rigol), 8k memory
19:36:35 <Lemon> well 60mhz is for sinewaves
19:36:40 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/feeltech-fy6800-signal-generator/
19:36:42 <Lemon> 25 for square waves, and 10 for arb
19:37:09 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/feeltech-fy6600-60mhz-2-ch-vco-function-arbitrary-waveform-signal-generator/
19:37:31 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/re-about-feelelec-new-product-fy8300-series-and-fy8300s-series-details/
19:37:46 <Lemon> yeah those ones are bad
19:37:56 <Lemon> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFaNvHQW_CsQ&psig=AOvVaw2NVRfHTm5czBEDGpFDOjmb&ust=1584175059949000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CA0QjhxqFwoTCIivk5SGl-gCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
19:38:00 <Lemon> im talking about this version
19:38:06 <Lemon> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2FFeelTech-FY6900-0-20-MHZ-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-Arbitrary-Waveform-%2F183983374199&psig=AOvVaw2NVRfHTm5czBEDGpFDOjmb&ust=1584175059949000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCIivk5SGl-gCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAJ
19:38:10 <Lemon> sure its a cheapo
19:38:36 <Ysjoelfir> it's more about the mentality of the manufacturer
19:38:46 <Lemon> id prefer an old one honestly
19:39:03 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Siglent-SDG1032X-Funktionsgenerator-2-Kanale-30-MHz/273321028332?hash=item3fa333eaec:g:MFsAAOSwTz1ePUvx or the siglent
19:39:13 <Lemon> it doesnt look too bad
19:41:01 <Lemon> do you often use freq in the Mhz range ?
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19:54:09 <Ysjoelfir> It's gone
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20:52:04 <K> hello
20:55:30 <steve30> hi
21:01:18 <AndrevS> hi
21:11:02 <Ysjoelfir> hello K
21:11:09 <Ysjoelfir> hello steve30
21:11:11 <Ysjoelfir> hello AndrevS
21:11:19 <Ysjoelfir> hello EEVBlog
21:11:19 <EEVBlog> Hello there, Ysjoelfir!
21:13:16 <steve30> :)
21:14:04 <Ysjoelfir> :P
21:23:04 Quit: ThunderSqueak ([email protected]) Quit: Leaving
21:26:36 <hsn> hello there
21:26:36 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn!
21:26:57 <hsn> bye there
21:26:59 <Ysjoelfir> hello hsn
21:27:02 <Ysjoelfir> bye hsn
21:27:03 <Halcyon> Hey all
21:27:07 <Ysjoelfir> hello Halcyon
21:27:09 <hsn> good day on u all
21:27:28 * Ysjoelfir grabs hsn and pulls him to hug Halcyon together
21:29:01 <Stiff> hi
21:29:07 <Halcyon> YAY
21:29:08 <Halcyon> :D
21:29:16 <Halcyon> Hey Stiff
21:29:18 <Halcyon> What's doing?
21:29:27 * Ysjoelfir grabs Stiff and makes him join, too
21:29:39 <Ysjoelfir> being at work, like always^^ and you?
21:34:48 * Ampera stabs Halcyon's Stiff
21:34:51 <hsn> its friday here going for parents home ..
21:34:57 <hsn> bye cya
21:35:13 <Ampera> It's Friday here @ 06:34
21:37:01 <rust_collector> mornings
21:37:05 <Ysjoelfir> it's friday here and nearly (t-~1h) lunch time!
21:37:10 <Ysjoelfir> moin rust_collector
21:37:18 <rust_collector> hey
21:37:59 <rust_collector> it is hard to get out of bed. especially this early
21:38:17 <Ampera> In other news the DAX and CAC40 seem to be rebounding a bit
21:38:27 <Ampera> They're still close to 10% in the hole as compared to yesterday though
21:38:39 <hsn> 1:37 .. almost all families go to parents house to gather and eat launch on friday .. traditions :P
21:40:05 <K> yeah, the virus is not gonna spread by itself, you know
21:40:24 <Ysjoelfir> in norway they eat tacos. except rust_collector, he doesn't like them anymore.
21:43:17 <rust_collector> you are very correct
21:43:55 <Ysjoelfir> :P
21:45:59 <rust_collector> and it is a little bit sad, because I used to like tham
21:46:14 <rust_collector> if I still did, I would be normal, like everyone else
21:46:14 <Ysjoelfir> Don't worry, I still like them.
21:46:50 <rust_collector> ok, but can you eat twice as many of them?
21:47:02 <Ysjoelfir> No. I don't think so.
21:47:12 <Ysjoelfir> At least not as long as I try to reduce my weight
21:47:19 <rust_collector> what is your reason to hate chihuauas anyway?
21:47:29 <Ysjoelfir> I just don't like rats
21:55:05 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Not many left! https://t.co/oRNFmHrXL4
21:56:17 * rust_collector is making breakfast for his wife, probably for the first time this year
21:56:30 <Ysjoelfir> I want some, too!
21:56:35 <K> what did you do?
21:56:46 <rust_collector> no, it is ok
22:03:52 <rust_collector> hmm, I have not seen a dip meter before, that looks like something lemon would want
22:05:57 <Ysjoelfir> please don't tell him :D
22:06:11 <rust_collector> yes, I will do that later
22:06:27 <Ysjoelfir> Dipmeters are basically outdated today, but pretty nice devices for a limited use case
22:07:06 <rust_collector> sure, but he is all into seeing ... oh, he is into seeing what he can find online.
22:07:18 <Ysjoelfir> :P
22:08:15 <rust_collector> I think it looks like one of those things you could probably learn something with. Maybe not use very much to do things, but just to play around and see how things work
22:12:05 <rust_collector> as it is my day off, I wonder if I should have a cup of tea, while I wait for the coffee
22:12:30 <Ysjoelfir> I agree with that.
22:12:35 <Ysjoelfir> And with having some tea
22:13:36 <rust_collector> I wonder if tea-beer is a thing somewhere
22:14:45 <Ysjoelfir> you know about kombucha, don't you?
22:15:09 <rust_collector> no
22:15:17 <Ysjoelfir> basically fermented tea
22:15:32 <Ysjoelfir> it's pretty tasty and easy to make
22:16:03 <rust_collector> hmmkay
22:16:37 <Ysjoelfir> sadly the gf doesn't like it (more because she knows how the fermenting bacteria-mushroom-combination thing looks like than because of the taste), so I stopped making it. The batches are just too big for me to drink it.
22:16:44 <Ysjoelfir> *to drink it alone
22:16:57 <rust_collector> heh
22:17:26 <rust_collector> tell her "try this other thing I....got at the market"
22:17:52 <Ysjoelfir> well, admittedly that floating bacteria-mushroom thing looks like a dead jellyfish floating in a pool of tea.
22:19:00 <K> it is a mushroom
22:19:03 <K> i despise it
22:19:11 <rust_collector> how do you quickly check if a jellyfish is dead?
22:33:16 <Ysjoelfir> poke it?
22:33:30 <rust_collector> ...
22:34:21 <Ysjoelfir> what do i know? :D
22:34:26 <K> tell it in stern voice to get of it's ass and go find a job
22:34:53 <Ysjoelfir> :O
22:34:59 <rust_collector> and cut that hair
22:35:40 <K> damn hippies
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22:45:00 <rust_collector> hey Lemon have you seen a dip meter, and how do you know if jellyfish is dead? and is there some kind of beer with tea?
22:45:21 <Lemon> hello rusty
22:45:28 <Lemon> how many digits do those push ?
22:45:42 <rust_collector> the beer or jellyfish?
22:45:45 <Lemon> just received the 500mhz probe, ultra fast boi
22:45:47 <Lemon> both ofc
22:46:23 <rust_collector> I dunno if those tentacle-hair things can be called digits
22:47:28 <K> wth is a dip meter anyway
22:48:19 <rust_collector> it measures your dip. it can be recalibrated for salsa and mayo, but it is tricky
22:48:36 <K> ah.
22:48:50 <K> condiment tuning equipment
22:49:02 <rust_collector> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_dip_oscillator
22:49:18 <rust_collector> no no, not condiment. it is the main dish
22:51:02 <K> hm
22:54:22 <rust_collector> ok, this will be interesting. I told the wife to buy a dc clamp meter, while she was in town
22:55:08 <rust_collector> K, dip is the main dish, you only use chips or other things as a transport device
22:55:34 <K> ok
22:56:01 <K> but by that logic can mayo also be considered "the main dish" ?
22:56:01 <rust_collector> Ok, you may have different ways in your homeland, lol
22:56:06 <rust_collector> yes,
22:56:15 <K> wierd.
22:56:31 <rust_collector> it is half-liquid life essence
22:56:41 <K> for me mayo goes into salad
22:56:51 <K> or on a boiled egg
22:56:52 <rust_collector> you are sick
22:57:24 <rust_collector> mayo goes on all things you eat
22:57:36 <Ampera> so here's a nice calamity, there's rumors about us all working from home starting as soon as next week
22:57:39 <K> we have our savage easterne-eropean ways, yes.
22:58:03 <Ampera> and the VP of the division just declared that nobody is allowed to use the VPN (what allows anyone to work from home) on their personal computers whatsoever
22:58:13 <rust_collector> heh
22:58:13 <Ampera> so ggnore
22:58:38 <rust_collector> well, go home, and call the guy, and ask why the thing does not work
22:58:42 <Ampera> good job bat soup flu, you really made the grade
22:59:02 <Ampera> and I was just about to get a promotion too >:(
22:59:20 <K> it's a conspiracy!
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23:01:11 <Ampera> them russians have a good word for what this is
23:01:12 <Ampera> пиздетц
23:01:33 <K> heh, that is indeed apt
23:01:57 Quit: steve30 ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
23:02:08 <Ampera> so everything is out for delivery...
23:02:12 <Ampera> except for the power supply
23:03:27 <Ampera> which they are insisting will come today, but I doubt
23:04:37 <rust_collector> can you get by with a different power for it?
23:04:45 <Ampera> Yeah I could, but I don't really want to
23:04:49 <Ampera> and would probably wait for the PSU to come in
23:05:00 <Ampera> which would just be tomorrow
23:05:04 <rust_collector> ok.
23:05:16 <rust_collector> that is still annoying
23:05:17 <Ampera> also I just looked, the case package weighs 18 pounds
23:05:18 <K> deliveries work on weekends?
23:05:24 <Ampera> of course
23:05:38 <K> wonderous
23:05:44 <Ampera> I know USPS does packages 7 days a week, and I think UPS and FedEx do too
23:05:49 <Ampera> though I don't know about the latter two
23:05:57 <Lemon> arf I get compensation error when I try to do it on my scope
23:06:09 <Ampera> arf?
23:06:15 <Ampera> Lemon is a puppy, confirmed
23:06:16 <K> do what?
23:06:24 <Lemon> compensate probes
23:06:36 <Lemon> its all noisy, when I hit the autocal it fails
23:06:41 <Lemon> no matter the probe connected to it
23:06:57 <rust_collector> over here, it depends on how you use for shipping. if I use norwegian post, we do not get anything on the weekends, but if I use the swedish-danish post, they come on saturdays too
23:07:14 <Ampera> what do you even measure with your slowly accumulating menagerie of test equipment?
23:07:35 <Lemon> right now nothing as I just received the probe, and try to compensate it
23:07:44 <rust_collector> tnt and fedex is the same company here, and they use random guys with vans to deliver things
23:08:48 <rust_collector> unless it is outside of the more poulated areas, because then they just put it in the post, lol
23:16:50 <Ampera> Huey! The PSU is out for delivery
23:20:09 <Ysjoelfir> nice!
23:22:59 <Lemon> hey Ysjoelfir, we have a problem I think :( I received my 500mhz probe, tested it on the 2245, works fine, but on the tds 540, its all noisy af, and when I use the auto compensation it throws an error :/
23:23:08 <Lemon> I followed the steps on the manual but nope
23:23:36 <Ysjoelfir> that's too bad :(
23:23:48 <Lemon> I hope its fixable...
23:28:51 <Ysjoelfir> If it needs fixing at all
23:28:57 <Ysjoelfir> maybe its a PEBKAC
23:29:03 <Ysjoelfir> But I don't know
23:29:06 <Lemon> well idk on that one
23:29:19 <rust_collector> exactly
23:29:22 <Ysjoelfir> But what I DO know is the following:
23:29:35 <Ysjoelfir> YOU need a Tektronix 502A. And a Dipmeter.
23:29:48 <Lemon> nah please really im concerned right now
23:29:54 <Lemon> I drove 600kms to get it
23:30:13 <rust_collector> try some other random probe
23:30:20 <Ysjoelfir> that's what I would do
23:30:34 <Ysjoelfir> 500MHz is rather high, so....
23:31:08 <Lemon> I tried other probes, its not the probe im sure of that
23:31:10 <Lemon> same result
23:31:30 <Lemon> when I adjust it with the screw, it goes down a bit but theres still a big spike that cant be compensated
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23:38:44 <Lemon> sorry I tried to call the guy
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23:54:36 <Ysjoelfir> did you reach him?
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