// #eevblog — 2020-03-10
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00:00:02 <rust_collector> to control your tools, thru internet balloon
00:01:00 Quit: hsn ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
00:01:56 <rust_collector> similar to "the cloud" just inside your safety condom
00:02:59 <rust_collector> you could go shopping, and tshk tshk! open app, and see, yes, it is measuring 10.00000000034v
00:03:34 <K> NO BUENO!
00:04:56 <Ysjoelfir> I'm off, the gf wants to do something with me :O
00:05:08 Quit: Ysjoelfir ([email protected]) Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)
00:05:10 <rust_collector> I wonder how long a meter like that would measure a 9v battery, before the battery was drained enough to not be measurable
00:05:30 <Lemon> usually they have high input impedance
00:05:34 <rust_collector> oh no, mr Y will get girlie bugs
00:05:36 <rust_collector> yes
00:05:44 <Lemon> my bench fluke got like 10Gohm on the 10v range
00:05:54 <rust_collector> sounds good
00:06:06 <rust_collector> that should take some time
00:07:16 <rust_collector> but I wonder, does the load from the meter do more than just age? I mean, the batteries do go dead after x years anyway
00:07:39 <Lemon> yes I think
00:07:46 <Lemon> well it depends on the kind of battery
00:08:05 <Lemon> but on AA batteries for example im sure the meter drain it faster than its shelf life
00:08:31 <rust_collector> how about 6 aaaa cells in series?
00:08:48 <Lemon> Ill have to test !
00:09:00 <Lemon> I wanted to experiment a bit with AA cells
00:09:20 <Lemon> the 3456a got logging capabilities
00:09:27 <Lemon> which is nice to do such things overnight for example
00:12:44 <rust_collector> I was digging thru the dumpsters at work today. it is incredible how much stuff they throw away
00:13:04 <rust_collector> But no nice boxes I can use
00:21:50 <K> name 1 incredible stuff
00:25:21 <rust_collector> well, they had around 20 weirdass computers, that ran various machines. they ran xp, so they would probably work for other things too. but yes, now they live in the dumpster. Which is weird, because we have a separate dumpster for electronics. small 3 wheel kick bikes, loads of them, uhm, random things, lots of linear actuators
00:25:53 <K> fancy linear actuators?
00:25:54 <rust_collector> random things
00:26:10 <rust_collector> well, fancy and fancy... they were quality, not fancy
00:26:24 <K> i see.
00:26:44 <rust_collector> most have weird dimensions, so I did not see a use for them
00:28:07 <Lemon> damn I love those
00:28:17 <Lemon> please take them if you can
00:28:39 <K> you want to be actuated?
00:28:40 <rust_collector> mmmh, ok, I will see if I can snag some
00:29:15 <rust_collector> any size you are interested in?
00:29:29 <Lemon> ho not really, just take what you can and we will see :>
00:29:36 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
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02:22:18 <Lemon> aye aye
02:22:23 <Lemon> laptop sold !
02:22:40 <Lemon> it was a guy close to my age, really nice bud
02:22:53 <rust_collector> boohooo. you will miss that thing
02:23:17 <Lemon> nah honestly I wasnt using it at all, and I asked myself for months before selling it
02:23:29 <rust_collector> heh, do you want to see a very boring video?
02:24:02 <Lemon> why not !
02:24:10 <rust_collector> https://gofile.io/?c=Zz1CFa
02:24:29 <rust_collector> youtube said it was too long.
02:24:50 <rust_collector> you can fix by THIS LINK that is not clickable
02:25:03 <Lemon> nice landscapes
02:26:24 <rust_collector> tat road is much more fun early in the morning, meeting buses and stuff, and they have a fetish for blinding people with their lights up there
02:26:38 <Lemon> good xenon lights
02:30:38 <Lemon> the dude that bought the laptop had a motorcycle accident a few years ago
02:30:56 <Lemon> a dude in car knocked him, and he tanked with his left leg
02:31:07 <Lemon> he was on the floor, his leg 3 meters away
02:31:15 <rust_collector> that should teach him
02:31:21 <Lemon> the dude that hit him came and told him 'you didnt have any lights !'
02:31:29 <Lemon> (the car was in fault)
02:31:46 <Lemon> they tried to reconstruct his leg but he lost it
02:34:18 <rust_collector> people do often react is weird ways, when they have an accident
02:35:11 <Lemon> yeah but common, you are at fault, you see the guy on the floor with his leg a few meters away, pissing blood, you dont tell him 'comon dude your lights !'
02:35:15 <Lemon> which he had on, btw
02:37:56 <Lemon> so yeah, I have 700 euros to play with
02:38:10 <Lemon> more if needed but I like to spend only what I sold previously
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02:43:03 <Guest|84269> I am looking for a step by step power design and control design, could someone help? how can i better design me y feedback?
02:43:21 <Lemon> I think you forgot something
02:44:24 <rust_collector> I prefer 50hertz power designs
02:44:27 <Guest|84269> what did I forget?
02:44:55 <Lemon> a simple thing, the kind of thing you say when you meet someone, for example :>
02:46:08 <Guest|84269> yes sorry, Hello everybody, I am really to have not greeting
02:46:28 <Lemon> hello buddy ! thats ok :>
02:46:52 <Lemon> I think people with much more knowledge than me will help you in a few
02:47:14 <Guest|84269> nice from you to remember on those small thing
02:47:45 <Guest|84269> ok thanks, I am waiting for those people:)
02:48:02 <rust_collector> what sort of power are you thinking about? do you mean you want to build a bench power supply? or something else? led driver?
02:48:37 <Guest|84269> a bench power supply from start
02:49:11 <Guest|84269> going from 12V supply and build discrete to better understand the mechanisim
02:49:45 <rust_collector> 12v dc?
02:49:53 <Guest|84269> actually using Op amp for feedback and my pwm generation base on ltspice
02:50:16 <Guest|84269> yes let say a 12V to 5v, 10A DC DC converter
02:50:29 <rust_collector> pwm? so you want a switch mode power supply?
02:50:51 <Guest|84269> yes a switch mode
02:50:59 <rust_collector> ah, ok.
02:51:38 <rust_collector> Not that it matters, as I do not know anything, but I think you are getting close to a question now
02:51:58 <Guest|84269> a buck converter discret and input filter when necessary
02:52:16 <rust_collector> There are some people who know stuff here, but they tend to be on a bit later
02:53:23 <Guest|84269> I want to know on which parameter i shall design my input filter (what are the noise sources and how can I suppress it),how can I can design my feedback loop base on op amp?
02:53:46 <Guest|84269> ok I am waiting
02:53:52 <Lemon> sadly with a switch mode supply you are going to have much noise
02:54:08 <Lemon> you want to go the linear route, for the less noise possible
02:55:01 <rust_collector> meh, I think you can do a reasonable switchmode, at least people say that. but I as I said do not know much
02:56:16 <Guest|84269> how linear route? you mean using LDO? picking up the ic and designing base on app note, i can realise it, but i want to understand in details how those ic are been designed
03:03:37 <Lemon> well you know theres two main types of psu, switch mode and linear
03:03:44 <Lemon> linear ones use a big transformer
03:03:57 <Lemon> I ddont know much about them but I know that they produce much less noise
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03:07:39 <Guest|84269> are you talking at the moment from isolated and non isolated dc dc converter?
03:07:57 <rust_collector> I think, if you over simplify a linear supply, it is almost like a variable resistor, so that is why it is "quiet"
03:08:04 <Lemon> yeah that
03:09:23 <rust_collector> and also not very efficient, except if you live somewhere cold, and need the wasted energy converted to heat
03:09:51 <Guest|84269> from linear one It is quiet good when the voltage difference between output and input are not too big. going from 12V to 5V, it is better to take siwtching dc dc converter to get less noise
03:10:42 <K> if you need only a few mA, it is hard to justify dc-dc
03:12:29 <rust_collector> he did mention 10A
03:12:49 <Lemon> ha yes smps will be better
03:12:54 <Guest|84269> I do have an appointment at the moment, but will read the response as soon as i will return back.
03:12:54 <Lemon> unless he get a bigass transfo
03:13:26 <Guest|84269> usind linear, i will be having 70W power lost
03:13:56 <K> ah, missed 10A
03:13:57 <rust_collector> can I ask what you wil power with this thing?
03:14:38 <Guest|84269> power some big LED pannel, 48x48 RGB
03:14:51 <rust_collector> ah!
03:15:15 <rust_collector> then I think a switchmode would be fine. good luck
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03:18:36 <rust_collector> I bet someone in india has made a thing like that out of a coat hanger, and random tuktuk parts
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03:23:01 * rust_collector is cooking pasta screws in a frying pan
03:23:59 <K> no nuts?
03:24:13 <rust_collector> nut free
03:24:27 <rust_collector> Lemon is the nut here,
03:24:34 <rust_collector> Oh, I did type that
03:24:37 <K> hehe
03:25:25 <rust_collector> do you have pasta and nuts very often?
03:26:34 <K> hm, not really
03:26:49 <K> screws go with nuts quite often, though
03:26:53 <rust_collector> I guess that could be nice, some times, maybe
03:27:06 <rust_collector> no, bolts go with nuts
03:27:24 <K> hm
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03:30:16 <rust_collector> oh crap, Lemon sent the Lemonizer....
03:30:34 <Lemonizer> dunno why but ok
03:31:00 Quit: Lemon ([email protected]) Ping timeout: 121 seconds
03:31:28 <rust_collector> and he went away, to avoid seeing the mayhem
03:31:49 <Lemonizer> heh
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03:53:15 <rust_collector> this is not a bad alternative to noodles. pasta screws, pepper, and chicken cream cheese
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04:02:39 <rust_collector> WHOA!
04:25:57 <Ampera> rust_collector, request explanation for WHOA incident
04:27:34 <rust_collector> Ok, I would like that request in 7 copies, stamp them top secret, and destroy all copies of the document
04:27:46 <rust_collector> the future must not know
04:28:53 <Ampera> left my printer at home
04:29:10 <rust_collector> welll.... HA HA!
04:30:48 * Ampera pours aluminum powder on rust_collector's rust_collection
04:31:40 <rust_collector> so, now you wonder if rust is magnetic or not?
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04:32:39 <rust_collector> it is hard to get aluminum powder fine enough, except if you just buy it on ebay
04:32:48 * Ampera sticks a couple strips of rough magnesium into the mix
04:32:52 * Ampera lights them on fire
04:33:12 * rust_collector makes angry cat sounds
05:02:02 * T3sl4 gives Ampera a sodium-potassium alloy enema
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05:05:47 <rust_collector> hey
05:05:50 <Nothing\> heyo
05:06:07 <rust_collector> Ampera, nothing is here
05:06:13 <Nothing\> lol i never thought i'd be saying this, but prison is actually pretty fun
05:06:19 <Nothing\> at least where i go
05:06:35 <rust_collector> did you learn any clever games?
05:06:38 <Nothing\> met a guy in there yesterday who actually works on RF stuff
05:06:50 <Nothing\> nah, they play this card game called bidwiz but i never get in on it
05:06:57 <rust_collector> glows in the dark
05:07:29 <Nothing\> he makes these huge microwave heaters for fast food chains like mcdonalds in their industrial plants where they cook up the food before shipping it out
05:07:37 <Nothing\> and some sort of medical RF stuff, i forget what
05:07:52 <rust_collector> Ah, so he does deserve to be in prison then
05:08:01 <Nothing\> lol i wound up being the hero on my range yesterday though
05:09:11 <Nothing\> they had a buncha weed, but no matches, but there were matches in the range across the hall from us, so we worked it out that when i go down to medical for my methadone, a guy from that range goes down with me and he could pass some matches off to me and i could smuggle them back in (in my sock)
05:09:25 <Nothing\> i never saw people go so apeshit over a few matches, they were so happy lol
05:09:53 <Nothing\> lol then the guard comes in for a check like 10 minutes later goes "holy shit it smells like bob marley's underwear in here"
05:09:55 <rust_collector> saves them hours of rubbing various things together
05:10:07 <Nothing\> haha yeah i told them to rub 2 sticks together
05:10:39 <Nothing\> they were going so nutty fiending over it, spent hours combing over every square inch of the range trying to find matches or some source of fire
05:10:51 <Nothing\> one idiot got himself sent to the hole on saturday
05:11:17 <Nothing\> this guy found an outset under a desk the guards would nominally be sitting at with a computer, though they never do cuz they're so understaffed
05:11:41 <Nothing\> so he was under the desk trying to mess with it to get fire and the guard comes in and starts giving him shit about it
05:11:43 <rust_collector> outset?
05:11:59 <Nothing\> then this other guy, he had nothing to do with any of it, but he just jumps in and starts mouthing off to the guard
05:12:07 <Nothing\> called him an asshole and so on
05:12:20 <Nothing\> couple minutes later 5 or 6 guards come in and hall him off in cuffs
05:12:46 <Nothing\> it was pretty fortunate timing cuz the tv just crapped out so it was pretty entertaining to watch
05:13:30 <Nothing\> the guard was being kind of an ass though, he claimed it smelled like smoke in there even though nobody had smoked anything in a few hours
05:13:39 <Ampera> Hi Nothing\
05:13:42 <Nothing\> it's funny though, most of the guards don't care if you smoke in there
05:13:48 <Nothing\> hey Ampera how's it going buddy?
05:13:59 <Ampera> Alright
05:14:04 <Nothing\> good to hear
05:14:10 <Ampera> sounds like you're enjoying adult daycare
05:14:16 <Nothing\> oh dude i love it in there lol
05:14:18 <Nothing\> it's a blast
05:14:35 <Nothing\> my weeks are so boring, being in prison's the only time anything fun ever happens
05:14:44 <rust_collector> oh, just wait
05:14:52 <Ampera> Yeah, don't make it a career :P
05:15:03 <Nothing\> oh i know, it's not a typical prison type setting
05:15:10 <rust_collector> match smuggler...
05:15:13 <Nothing\> the people doing straight time get it much worse
05:15:19 <Nothing\> yeha rust_collector it starts off with matches
05:15:26 <rust_collector> always matches
05:15:32 <Nothing\> next thing you know i'll be going in there with an asshole full of cocaine
05:16:00 <rust_collector> just wait until someone wants a load of bricks, to build something
05:16:06 <Nothing\> lol you know they actually scan us with an x-ray machine before we go in to see if we have anything in our ass, but the people still manage to get stuff in
05:16:24 <Nothing\> i keep failing that damn thing cuz i'm blocked up all the time
05:16:34 <Nothing\> and they have a newb running it
05:16:40 <rust_collector> do they fix that fr you?
05:17:01 <Nothing\> eh they just have me take a crap and do it again
05:17:26 <Nothing\> meanwhile the people who actually DO have stuff up their ass get through
05:17:28 <Nothing\> go figure
05:17:50 <Nothing\> that's why i won't smoke anything in there though, you know it's been up somebody's ass
05:17:58 <rust_collector> nothing a few minutes with a steam cleaner won't clear out
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05:19:30 <Ampera> I'm doing QA test case maintenance
05:19:35 <Nothing\> nice man
05:19:36 <Ampera> which is fun (nope)
05:19:46 <Nothing\> well either way, it sounds lucrative
05:20:50 <Nothing\> man, i always see these guys at this one intersection with a cardboard sign asking for money, people are always giving em at least $5, saw one guy give em a $20
05:21:07 <Nothing\> i figured if they get even $20 out of people each hour, they'd be doing better than if they actually worked a job
05:21:35 <Nothing\> i DID give them $5 each time until i thought how unusual it is that it's been at least 4 different people doing it, but always with the exact same sign
05:21:43 <Nothing\> i dunno something about it feels kinda fishy to me
05:23:03 <rust_collector> hehe, yes
05:24:42 <Nothing\> hrm what are those crystal oscillators called that are pretty much ready to go with minimal parts needed, the boxy looking ones
05:25:02 <Nothing\> i'm trying to look for them but when i search crystal oscillator i just get the can ones that are just the crystal itself
05:26:34 <Nothing\> ah, i think it's active crystal oscillator
05:28:46 <rust_collector> http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=310375975715&t=1458965009000&category=7286&seller=derektse9016&excSoj=1&excTrk=1&lsite=3&ittenable=false&domain=ebay.com&descgauge=1&cspheader=1&oneClk=2&secureDesc=0&oversion=5452f94b
05:28:48 <rust_collector> like that?
05:30:15 <Nothing\> hrm, the images won't load for some reason
05:31:44 <Nothing\> trying to get a picture up to show you, but my pi's being slow
05:31:55 <Nothing\> too many tabs opened in my browser
05:32:14 <Nothing\> i'm really considering getting a pi 4, but the power issues have me kinda wary of them
05:32:45 <Nothing\> plus i figure if i've got the $80 or so for one of those, i'm pretty well halfway to getting a low end computer anyways so i might as well go all the way and save up for one of those
05:32:55 <rust_collector> hmm, I have 2 cases for them... and I do not have a pi of any kind...
05:33:00 <Nothing\> https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB19P8AHbSYBuNjSspiq6xNzpXag/5PCS-Rectangle-Active-Crystal-Oscillator-DIP-4PIN-4MHZ-8MHZ-10MHZ-11-0592MHZ-12MHZ-16MHZ-20MHZ-22.jpg
05:33:02 <Nothing\> one of those
05:33:39 <Nothing\> i have a couple of can style cxos here but there's nothing printed on them to indicate what frequency they are
05:33:47 <rust_collector> would you use the pi as a computer?
05:33:56 <Nothing\> i'm using one as my primary computer right now
05:34:03 <rust_collector> if you got a 4
05:34:11 <Nothing\> all of my computers got seized by police
05:34:16 <Nothing\> so i'm stuck using a pi 3
05:35:05 <Nothing\> as per my bail order and now court order i'm not supposed to own a computer, but i figure i'll "give" the money to my mom and she can buy it
05:35:26 <Nothing\> as a "replacement for her laptop" that they took
05:35:34 <rust_collector> if you get a 4, I will see if I can send one of these over, if you want it:https://www.argon40.com/catalog/product/view/id/52/s/argon-one-raspberry-pi-4-case/
05:36:02 <Nothing\> i dunno about the cases, i have a case for my 3 but it runs way too hot in there, even though it has pretty good ventilation
05:36:11 <rust_collector> this has a fan
05:36:25 <Nothing\> as it is, just sitting bare on my table it get up over 60c when i'm not even maxing out all of the cores
05:36:27 <Nothing\> ooh nice
05:36:49 <Nothing\> i wonder if the 4 runs any hotter than the 3, i'm sure somebody's done some benchmarks and has the data out there somewhere
05:37:14 <rust_collector> I have almost no interest in pis, so I don't know
05:37:19 <Nothing\> i put a couple of heatsinks on mine though, but i haven't noticed any difference
05:37:33 <Nothing\> yeah aside from being a replacement for my computer, i have no business with a pi
05:37:59 <Nothing\> i tried dicking around with the gpio briefly, but i couldn't be bothered with all that when i could do the same thing with an arduino much easier
05:38:02 <rust_collector> I promised me that I would never get a pi, many years ago
05:38:21 <Nothing\> that was about the attitude i had about them before circumstances forced me to get one
05:38:36 <Nothing\> i just don't see the point, at least for my needs
05:38:46 <Nothing\> even an arduino is kinda meh
05:38:52 <rust_collector> I would consider one of the alternatives, but not an actual rpi
05:39:07 <Nothing\> yeah i'd REALLY love something with hardware video on it
05:39:23 <Nothing\> or something that can run windows
05:39:39 <Nothing\> cuz honestly, the ports of software you get for the pi are crap
05:39:52 <Nothing\> like the arduino port, the libraries don't even load properly
05:40:12 <rust_collector> I think that depends a lot on what you have installed in it?
05:40:21 <Nothing\> i'll load a sketch and it'll open the library just fine, has a tab open with the header file, i go to compile it and it's like "durr i can't find the library you're trying to add"
05:40:36 <Nothing\> you mean the OS?
05:40:41 <rust_collector> well, yes
05:40:55 <Nothing\> yeah i've just been using rasbpian cuz it was the easiest thing to install
05:41:10 <Nothing\> plus, not having a computer, i had to go to the library and put it on a usb stick to get it
05:41:44 <rust_collector> Something tells me that raspbian would have a working arduino ide. that does sound a bit weird
05:42:12 <Nothing\> it does have one, that's what i'm talking about
05:42:21 <Nothing\> it hasn't been updated in years though
05:42:29 <rust_collector> no, you are talking about a non-working one
05:42:46 <Nothing\> well, it works as far as being able to write sketches and upload them, it's just the libraries it sucks shit with
05:43:03 <rust_collector> heh
05:43:15 <rust_collector> oh well that is great... for me
05:43:35 <Nothing\> then all of the libraries come with names like this_is_a_library.h but this version doesn't allow for underscores in library names
05:44:14 <rust_collector> grab a different version, that is not many years old, and make that work?
05:44:18 <Nothing\> i could probably get around it if i just didn't bother using the gui
05:44:48 <Nothing\> yeah that could work
05:45:05 <Nothing\> but as things are going, i'll probably have a computer in a month or two so i'm not too worried about it anymore
05:45:10 <Nothing\> i've already started saving my money
05:45:21 <rust_collector> but yes. let me know if you want a box some day. I will probably sell them if no one wants them
05:45:43 <Nothing\> i shoulda got one last year when i had the money, but i was too paranoid since my trial was coming up
05:46:17 <Nothing\> i was looking at at least 1 year in prison so i didn't think it was worth it
05:46:32 <Nothing\> i really lucked out on that one, i tell you
05:47:21 <Nothing\> i mean the place i go now is a joke compared to where the people do straight time
05:47:48 <rust_collector> I think someone made the time before you had to go in, the punishment.
05:48:46 <Nothing\> where i am, it's basically just one big room with 40 of us in it, 20 double bunks lining 2 of the walls, then a few rows of fairly comfortable chairs/couches in front of a TV, a bunch of tables in the middle of the room for eating, and the showers and toilets around the corner at the end of the room, but the key is there are no cells
05:49:38 <Nothing\> they don't even have a guard in the room, they just come through about every 30 minutes to check on us
05:49:48 <rust_collector> oh no! they are trying to make you an office worker
05:49:58 <Nothing\> haha
05:50:34 <Nothing\> the tv's shit though, the one on my range is fucked up so you can't change channels on it at all, so you're stuck with whatever it's on when they turn it on in the morning
05:51:14 <Nothing\> the schedule's nice too though, tv comes on at 8:30-9am, which is when breakfast comes by, and they don't turn the tv and lights off until midnight
05:51:21 <rust_collector> gannsta rap channel yo
05:51:40 <Nothing\> plus they let you bring in a book as long as it's paperback, so i've just been reading my book any time something shitty's on tv
05:51:58 <Nothing\> most of the time they have the tv on the movie channel, which is nice until they start showing the same movie over and over again
05:52:17 <Nothing\> 2 weeks ago we wound up watching The Mummy trilogy 3 times over the weekend
05:52:26 <rust_collector> YAY!
05:52:47 <Nothing\> but mostly we just sit around shooting the shit, which is nice cuz i don't socialize otherwise
05:53:42 <Nothing\> but i realized other than the socializing, it's pretty much the exact same thing i do when i'm at home, just sit on my ass watching tv all day lol
05:54:05 <rust_collector> do you throw peanuts on people
05:54:21 <Nothing\> lol they wouldn't dare give us peanuts in there
05:54:42 <Nothing\> you could kill a man 12 different ways with a peanut
05:54:54 <Nothing\> especially if he was allergic
05:55:30 <Nothing\> that's the one downside actually, is the food's not the greatest but sometimes it's alright especially if you're hungry enough
05:56:26 <rust_collector> how great should it be....
05:56:33 <Nothing\> and the beds are pretty uncomfortable, it's just a 3 or 4 inch thick foam mattress, no pillow or anything, but they give you this little tea towel for your showers so you end up using that and maybe your shirt for a pillow
05:57:03 <Nothing\> lol when i was in the holding cells when i was arrested i had to use a roll of toilet paper as my pillow
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05:57:50 <geekmoto19> hello
05:57:55 <Nothing\> i dunno, like i'd at least like them to give us REAL scrambled eggs in there
05:58:05 <Nothing\> instead of this powdered egg shit they mix with water
05:58:08 <Nothing\> hey geekmoto19 how goes it
05:58:22 <rust_collector> unscrambled eggs
05:58:32 <Nothing\> nah, that's only if entropy's broken
05:58:38 <geekmoto19> i just got my first oscilloscope, and i am wondering how i can measure a transmitter for a personal weatherstation to see why it is so quiet rf wise
05:58:57 <geekmoto19> i got the siglent sds1202X-E
05:59:00 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: congrats man, i just got my first scope a few months ago
05:59:40 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: are you familiar with the dangers of connecting the ground part of the probe to a live circuit referenced to ground?
05:59:46 <geekmoto19> yes
05:59:55 <Nothing\> good stuff, that one made me really paranoid
05:59:58 <geekmoto19> the transmitter is battery operated so its floating
06:00:07 <Nothing\> yeah i only ever check floating circuits too
06:00:24 <Nothing\> but anyways, i couldn't tell you how to go about doing that, i guess that'd be something specific to the transmitter you're using
06:00:56 <Nothing\> maybe a problem with one of the amplifier stages?
06:01:06 <Lemonizer> hello peeps
06:01:14 <Nothing\> hey Lemonizer how's it going?
06:01:14 <geekmoto19> im just trying to figure out where to stick the probe. would it be at or near the antenna
06:01:23 <rust_collector> if you stay for a bit, I think the people who know stuff are coming in not too long
06:01:31 <geekmoto19> its a very low power transmitter
06:01:38 <Lemonizer> yeah im just a hoarder
06:01:49 <Lemonizer> and rust says that half a volt is an acceptable tolerance
06:01:49 <rust_collector> I am just me
06:01:55 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: i would imagine it would be near the antenna, but if you measure the output that's probably just gonna tell you what you already know, which is that the output power's too low
06:01:56 <geekmoto19> like i think its milliwatts but not sure off the top of my head, and it tx's on 433.92
06:01:57 <rust_collector> more than good enough
06:02:26 <Lemonizer> I think a spectrum analyzer would be more up to the task
06:02:28 <rust_collector> is this a thing you bought, or...
06:02:45 <Nothing\> Lemonizer: most scopes have an FFT function on them
06:02:48 <Nothing\> that might help
06:02:48 <geekmoto19> im just wondering why this transmitter is so quiet compared to one i got at walmart that just splattered all over the 70cm band
06:02:56 <Nothing\> although truth be told, the FFT on my scope is crap
06:03:07 <Nothing\> as is the X vs Y
06:03:10 <Lemonizer> ssooo I think im getting that tds 540
06:03:15 <geekmoto19> i havent figured out how to get into the fft function on my scope yet
06:03:21 <Nothing\> tried making lissajous patterns on my scope and it was barely recognizable
06:03:25 <Lemonizer> I'll ask the guy if I can go wednesday
06:03:39 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: there should be a math menu or something where you can select FFT
06:03:40 <rust_collector> do that, and get it done
06:03:51 <Lemonizer> I;ll have to find probes that are good for 500mhz
06:04:01 <rust_collector> later
06:04:23 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: what frequency is it transmitting at?
06:04:35 <geekmoto19> 433.92
06:04:39 <geekmoto19> MHz
06:04:43 <geekmoto19> i think
06:04:48 <rust_collector> butt, good night
06:04:49 <Nothing\> hrm i don't think your scope could handle that
06:04:57 <Nothing\> it's only a 200mhz scope apparently
06:04:57 <Lemonizer> bye rust
06:05:00 <geekmoto19> thats based on my findings from an sdr
06:05:12 <Lemonizer> as I said, I think for this stuff
06:05:13 <Nothing\> i mean you might be able to get a reading, but it'll be attenuated pretty badly i would imagine
06:05:16 <Lemonizer> you need a spectrum analyzer
06:05:43 <Nothing\> your scope's a 200mhz scope from what i can see
06:05:54 <geekmoto19> im mostly doing this to learn the scope and what i can do with it
06:05:56 <Lemonizer> maybe you can uphack it
06:06:03 <Lemonizer> usually siglents/rigol ones are easy to do
06:06:19 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: right on, that's my favorite kinda project to do
06:06:28 <Nothing\> the ones where there's no real point to them other than to learn and explore
06:06:33 <Nothing\> and have fun, of course
06:08:14 <Nothing\> i'd really like to get into RF stuff actually
06:08:46 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: i've gotta say, looking at your scope i kinda wish i'd gotten one of these instead of the one i got
06:08:49 <Lemonizer> im about to buy stuff
06:08:51 <Lemonizer> new stuffffff
06:08:56 <Lemonizer> with knobs and shiet
06:09:30 <Nothing\> i've been wanting to get a function generator for a while
06:09:32 <Lemonizer> for 290 euros, im getting a 500mhz, 1gs/s, 4 channel, 500ps/div scope
06:09:35 <Nothing\> and a bench power supply
06:09:53 <Lemonizer> get the psu first ! I think its the most used thing on the bench
06:10:06 <Lemonizer> but yeah the gen is cool you can get neat ones for few bucks
06:10:15 <Lemonizer> I got two for like 30 euros both ?
06:10:24 <Lemonizer> up to 2mhz each, with am/fm modulation etc
06:10:30 <Lemonizer> they are nice to learn
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06:11:28 <N\> Lemonizer: nice, i think i paid almost $600CAD for my scope, which is oh hell i think 100mhz or 200mhz dual channel
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06:11:36 <geekmoto19> also i am measuring a crystal to see why a clock that i built cant keep even semi accurate time
06:11:39 <Nothing\> i can't remember now, i've gotta look up the specs
06:11:56 <Lemonizer> thats why I get 95% of my things used, sometimes theres problems but well, its usually worth it
06:11:58 <geekmoto19> trying to see if the crystal is crap and i have a screen cap of the measurement i just took
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06:12:19 <Nothing\> i was kinda pissed off though cuz after i bought it i realized they have an identical scope that's 50mhz for half the price, and all i had to do was some software mod to unlock the higher bandwidth
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06:12:41 <Lemonizer> ha yeah true
06:12:50 <Lemonizer> I thikn its possible for the one I want to get but im not sure
06:12:53 <Nothing\> Lemonizer: yeah i wish i coulda looked on ebay, but they won't take my credit card on there for some reason
06:12:56 <Lemonizer> if it is, that is a nice bonus
06:12:57 <geekmoto19> can i post the image of the screen cap here or should i link it from somewhere else
06:13:11 <Nothing\> maybe cuz it's one of those credit debit cards instead of an actual credit card, i dunno
06:13:13 <Lemonizer> you can
06:13:16 <geekmoto19> im using the web client
06:13:27 <Nothing\> i'd love to get a second hand analog scope
06:13:36 <Nothing\> i've been dying to make lissajous patterns lol
06:13:51 <geekmoto19> seems the site doing the uploads is not happy with something
06:14:21 <Lemonizer> yeah analog scopes are nice, I wanted to get one of both types
06:14:34 <Lemonizer> I sold my laptop, hence why I can get new stuff :>
06:14:45 <Lemonizer> and I found some neat deals
06:15:05 <Nothing\> ah yeah, my scope's 200mhz
06:15:09 <geekmoto19> ok i have to link it from my googledrive
06:15:11 <geekmoto19> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M-lBm8lscviyi6CU2nLAMHt_cgrket07/view?usp=sharing
06:15:38 <Nothing\> 1GSa/s
06:15:40 <geekmoto19> tell me that the jitter is just the way i am measuring the crystal
06:15:57 <Lemonizer> heh its pretty nice, 1gs/s is enough
06:16:12 <Nothing\> down to 2ns/div
06:16:21 <Nothing\> which is pretty decent i think for an entry level scope
06:16:31 <Nothing\> http://www.hantek.com/en/ProductDetail_95.html
06:17:06 <Nothing\> the software's kinda shitty though, i need to update it but to download a firmware update i have to register on the site and i couldn't be bothered to do that yet
06:17:17 <Lemonizer> yeah thats definitively nice, I tend to prefer old scopes of big brands but thats just me
06:17:23 <geekmoto19> is it just me or does that waveform look really odd the clock is powered by usb and i usually attach the clip to the connector
06:17:35 <Nothing\> Lemonizer: yeah the X vs Y is crap on this thing
06:17:40 <Nothing\> it just feels too laggy
06:18:15 <geekmoto19> also what is the mean frequency meaning is that the average
06:18:27 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: need permission to view that
06:18:49 <Nothing\> try imgur, that's a good site for image uploading in a pinch
06:18:58 <geekmoto19> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M-lBm8lscviyi6CU2nLAMHt_cgrket07/view?usp=sharing
06:19:12 <geekmoto19> imgur seems to hate me recently wont let me upload
06:19:19 <geekmoto19> think its a bug with their end
06:19:20 <Nothing\> that does look kinda odd
06:19:28 <geekmoto19> ive changed the perms
06:19:54 <geekmoto19> im guessing the mean means the average
06:19:57 <Nothing\> damn i like that gui on your scope
06:20:05 <geekmoto19> its the default
06:20:05 <Lemonizer> id like a bench psu that goes up to 150-200v
06:20:06 <Nothing\> geekmoto19: yeah
06:20:13 <T3sl4> 1x probe why?
06:20:27 <geekmoto19> i think i forgot to change that oops
06:20:36 <geekmoto19> my probe is set physically to 10x
06:20:40 <T3sl4> that waveform is probably a lot sharper
06:20:50 <Nothing\> hey T3sl4
06:20:54 <Nothing\> how goes it
06:21:00 * T3sl4 hugs Nothing\
06:21:07 <Nothing\> :3
06:21:34 <Lemonizer> I asked a surplus website about an hp 3456a
06:21:49 <Lemonizer> they sell it for around 200 euros with shipping, and it looks in pretty good shape
06:22:43 <Lemonizer> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1722803274.htm/
06:22:46 <Lemonizer> I like those supplies
06:22:55 <Lemonizer> heavy, but noiseless (or almost)
06:23:09 <Lemonizer> I currently have a triple ouput topward and a single ouput gossen konstanter
06:23:20 <Lemonizer> I wouldnt mind a third one, you never have enough supplies
06:25:03 <Nothing\> here's the gui on my scope
06:25:04 <Nothing\> https://imgur.com/NkPAA2K
06:25:19 <Nothing\> i like your GUI cuz it has the info at the bottom, so it doesn't cut off so much of the waveform
06:25:23 <Lemonizer> thats neat :>
06:25:32 <geekmoto19> i like mine
06:25:34 <Lemonizer> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1731202896.htm/ heres the one im probably getting :>
06:25:36 <Lemonizer> a bit older !
06:25:37 <Nothing\> yeah it's a pretty nice gui
06:25:54 <geekmoto19> i also like i can control mine with my computer
06:26:03 <geekmoto19> and get screen shots directly
06:26:14 <geekmoto19> dont have to fiddle with usb flash drives
06:26:38 <Nothing\> ah mine hasn't got that
06:26:58 <geekmoto19> weirdly mine only reads a 256gb usb 3 flashdrive formated to 32gb partition thats the only drive it reads
06:26:58 <Lemonizer> I think the 540 got gpib
06:27:03 <Lemonizer> but well, gl with that haha
06:27:13 <Lemonizer> try to format it in fat32
06:27:16 <Lemonizer> with guiformat
06:27:40 <geekmoto19> will have to try that at some point
06:28:25 <T3sl4> now that i finished my GPIB-Serial box, i can control mine with my computer too :P
06:28:42 <Lemonizer> hehe nice, do it cost much to get what is needed ?
06:28:50 <Lemonizer> because I have other instruments with gpib capabilities
06:30:21 <Nothing\> T3sl4: you have a link to any sort of documentation or info on that GPIB serial box? i just tried googling it and couldn't find anything relevant
06:30:57 <geekmoto19> that worked
06:31:13 <geekmoto19> my scope now recognizes another usb flash drive
06:31:21 <Nothing\> oh i think i found something
06:31:26 <Nothing\> GPIB controller
06:31:31 <geekmoto19> btw i did update the firmware on mine yesterday
06:31:43 <Nothing\> ooooh ouch, starts at $955
06:33:32 <T3sl4> GPIB box, you need an MCU with 16 tristate pins, and some other com port, serial, USB etc
06:33:54 <T3sl4> i used XMEGA, original was PIC something, there's an Arduino version, etc.
06:36:49 <Lemonizer> https://www.leboncoin.fr/equipements_industriels/1743645311.htm/
06:36:52 <Lemonizer> this one is interesting
06:37:03 <Lemonizer> T3sl$ thanks im going to take a look !
06:43:09 <Lemonizer> while im at it im also getting 2 new tips for my ts100
06:43:18 <Lemonizer> I only have the stock one, which is good but not for anything
06:44:24 <Lemonizer> https://odnd.nl/lab-equipment/13357-hewlett-packard-3456a-digital-voltmeter.html heres the baby
06:46:08 <T3sl4> It is dangerous to go alone. Take this. https://i.redd.it/h4e5evfdjml41.jpg
06:47:21 <Lemonizer> aww ! thanks
06:47:26 <Lemonizer> now I have 18 cats !
06:48:01 <T3sl4> :D
06:49:57 <Lemonizer> https://www.leboncoin.fr/bricolage/1708056383.htm/
06:50:02 <Lemonizer> its so cute ! im tempted to get it !
06:54:19 <Lemonizer> and 9v is nice for things that runs on 3, 4.5/5, or 9v (battery voltage)
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07:17:26 <Ysjoelfir> hi
07:17:54 <Ampera> hi Ysjoelfir how are you
07:19:17 <Ysjoelfir> great! highly sated and happy :)
07:19:26 <Ampera> sated?
07:19:37 <Ampera> sedated?
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07:30:15 <Ysjoelfir> according to dict.cc that is the translation for being not hungry
07:35:24 <Ampera> so it is
07:35:43 <Ampera> but one usually uses the word full
07:36:51 <Ysjoelfir> oh, ok :)
07:37:25 <Ysjoelfir> they explicitly marked it with [food], so I thought I should choose that one^^
07:37:45 <Ampera> It's uncommonly used.
07:37:54 <Ampera> English has a lot of words that aren't commonly used
07:41:10 <Ysjoelfir> yeah. I noticed sometimes^^ however, my mum came for a suprise visit and we went to a nice restauran, eating steak.
07:41:25 <coppice_> it also has lots of words exclusively used by common people
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07:42:28 <Ysjoelfir> posh people use other words? :P
07:42:57 <coppice_> sated means satisfied. that could be a lower or higher point that full, depending on mood and greed
07:43:40 <Ysjoelfir> I am not hungry anymore, I enjoyed my meal, feel good now and am slightly overfilled I would say. ^^
07:43:56 <Ampera> I am quite hungr
07:50:23 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera
07:50:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ox3AXp_5eca5XwMuCis8fHCSR40uOIWs/view?usp=sharing my mums
07:50:42 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OwziroeZxwpnL17LmPx_4ZQWycl8M64p/view?usp=sharing mine
07:50:58 <Ysjoelfir> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Onf7olWHgk237-WrlYhhTq2na3FfbuQK/view?usp=sharing the girlfriends
07:52:29 <Ampera> y'all look cute
07:54:07 <Ysjoelfir> I actually wanted to show you the food xD but thanks^^
07:54:24 <coppice_> my wife's phone has a near complete set of pictures of everything she eats
07:55:44 <Ysjoelfir> erm... ok?
07:59:27 <Ampera> My mom is sadly the same
08:00:39 <Ampera> Though she's gotten better, there was a period in time when she couldn't eat, nor let anyone else eat with nothing less than a full forensic report on the contents of the table
08:00:54 <Ampera> *without
08:01:16 <Ysjoelfir> that sounds pretty stressfull.
08:01:31 <Ysjoelfir> in this case she took photos because we don't see each other very often
08:06:58 <Ampera> That's an excellent and valid use of a camera
08:07:45 <DHess_US> The panic buying as started. There is not a disinfecting wipe to be found around St. Louis.
08:07:58 <Ysjoelfir> It started two weeks ago
08:08:09 <DHess_US> I forgot to carry my camera so I could get pictures.
08:08:14 <Ysjoelfir> We tried to buy a damn pack of flour
08:08:19 <Ysjoelfir> not a single one was left
08:08:26 <DHess_US> Oh? Flour? Wow.
08:08:38 <Ysjoelfir> So i won't have a cake for my birthday tomorrow :(
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08:09:20 <DHess_US> Eh, I prefer the two part and add eggs cake mixes.
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08:14:15 <Ampera> Ysjoelfir, if i could DHL you flour in time I would :P
08:14:39 <Ampera> Pie is better anyways if you can find stuff to make that
08:20:58 * Halcyon cuddles Ampera
08:21:08 <Ampera> Hi halcyon
08:21:10 <Ampera> How do
08:21:14 <Halcyon> Sick :(
08:21:30 <Ampera> Yay, COVID19?
08:21:46 <Halcyon> Nah just a common cold. Stupid Mark was sick all weekend
08:21:55 <Ampera> :/
08:32:18 <Ysjoelfir> Thanks ampera :) And hello Halcyon :)
08:32:26 <Halcyon> Hey Ysjoelfir
08:42:33 <steve30> hi Halcyon
08:42:36 <Halcyon> Hey Steve
08:44:19 <steve30> Halcyon, I rang the air conditioning bloke. He said he'd try and come round later on this week to give me a quotation
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09:54:22 <Halcyon> Nice :)
09:54:27 <Halcyon> Hope he is cute for you Steve
09:57:26 <Ysjoelfir> 3 minutes left!
10:03:12 <Ysjoelfir> woohoo
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11:01:21 <Ysjoelfir> So, now I'm drunk and happy and 30. :D
11:01:25 <Ysjoelfir> good night all
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13:39:37 <Halcyon> :)
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13:45:12 <steve30> I might go back to bed soon
13:45:41 <Halcyon> Aww
13:45:51 <Halcyon> I just found a little black snake in my back yard
13:45:56 <Halcyon> Would have been about 10cm long
13:46:30 <steve30> hmm
13:46:36 <steve30> do you get many snakes?
13:47:13 <Halcyon> It's the first one I've seen but they are around. I live in bushland so snakes would be common
13:47:22 <Halcyon> I haven't seen a mouse for a long time
13:47:33 <Halcyon> So my guess is they are lurking around somewhere
13:47:52 <steve30> I saw a mouse in our garage about a year ago
13:50:26 * steve30 eyes up his cosy duvet
13:51:16 <Halcyon> Night Steve :)
13:51:30 <steve30> I'll watch some futurama first I think
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15:44:31 <geekmoto19> anyone have an idea what i am looking at? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1opJSwJ2iTffaBfU5gvFozXw4QcFApbwo/view?usp=sharing
15:45:07 <geekmoto19> https://datasheets.maximintegrated.com/en/ds/DS1307.pdf thats the chip i am looking at
15:45:29 <geekmoto19> i think
15:46:21 <geekmoto19> im not sure but i think its the scl pin
15:46:48 <geekmoto19> or the sda pin
15:46:55 <geekmoto19> but its hard to know
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19:45:50 * hsn93 mew mew ew ew w w
19:46:01 <Halcyon> Hey hsn93
19:46:07 <hsn93> hey halcyon
19:46:37 <hsn93> that was ur echo
19:47:04 <Halcyon> I figured :)
19:50:08 <hsn93> where is Ampera
19:50:54 <Halcyon> Probably at work
19:51:18 <Halcyon> He works now Mon-Fri GMT-4
19:51:31 <hsn93> i dont trust time zones
19:51:42 <Halcyon> How can you not trust time zones?
19:52:14 <hsn93> because of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wpm-gesOY
19:52:37 <Halcyon> Hahaha
19:52:47 <hsn93> u saw it :P ?
19:52:50 <Halcyon> Yes long time ago
19:52:56 <Halcyon> Pardon the pun
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20:27:00 <Lemon> hello bois
20:40:51 <Halcyon> Hey Lemon
20:41:06 <Lemon> heyhey
20:43:57 <Lemon> im so happy that my laptop finally sold
20:50:52 <Halcyon> Oh yay
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21:33:56 <Ampera> Halcyon, "Probably at work"
21:33:59 <Ampera> for one I have IRC at work
21:34:04 <Ampera> for two, when you said that it was 04:50
21:34:09 <Ampera> so no I was not at work I was in bed
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21:53:09 <K> great success!!!
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22:29:30 <K> that's a paddlin'!
22:39:08 <Ampera> Interesting question, could metal conduct EM at the frequencies of the visible spectrum?
22:39:31 <Ampera> and could it do it as simply as being a piece of metal in contact with a light source?
22:51:59 <Lemon> thats a good question !
22:52:27 <Lemon> another good question is, is a siglent arb waveform gen is good, compared to old bois like hp's, waveteks etc
22:53:05 <Lemon> im not afan of those new chinese instruments, but lets be realistic, for 250 euros it offers a lot and seems great
22:53:16 <Lemon> nothing comes close on the second hand market for big brands
22:58:56 <Ampera> My bunny seems to love bok choy
22:59:08 <Lemon> two channels, 30mhz stock that can be uphacked to 60 I think, 150msa/s sampling rate, many modulation types, tons of features
22:59:56 <Lemon> ha shiet its 313 euros with tva
23:00:03 <Lemon> well still alright
23:00:08 <Lemon> at least theres no shipping
23:01:16 <Ampera> Blowing your lunch money?
23:01:20 <Ampera> :3
23:01:41 <Lemon> well I finally sold a laptop, and usually I force myself to sell stuff to buy new stuff :>
23:02:00 <Lemon> I plan to get a new digital scope, the siglent gen and maybe a 3456a
23:03:15 <Lemon> a tek 540 for 290 euros at 3h of driving, the 3456a is at 200 euros with shipping but im waiting a response
23:03:43 <Lemon> I think siglent is the only chinese brand I find alright
23:04:00 <Lemon> well, I wouldnt buy anything else than an arb gen because second hand stuff is usually better
23:24:45 <Lemon> I think the 1032X is my best bet
23:43:27 <Lemon> hmmm some peeps used some 10mhz standards to increase the siglent accuracy
23:43:30 <Lemon> thats actually nice
23:46:38 <hsn> Ampera i've no idea .. but wait .. doesnt metal reflect lots of light?
23:48:22 <Ampera> hsn, usually, but it also absorbs a lot of it
23:48:47 <Ampera> I guess it has to do with general spectra, in that different materials will reflect, absorb, and transmit EM
23:48:54 <hsn> thats just for it to live let it eat some electrons dude ...
23:49:18 <Ampera> as glass, for instance, will carry light frequency EM, but won't carry RFEM
23:50:28 <hsn> i see .. is that related to (permeability and permittivity) ?
23:53:56 <Ampera> Aren't those terms relating specifically to objects with mass?
23:58:57 <hsn> i dont know .. there is alot for me to learn before i understand this stuff
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