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02:45 <Ysjoelfir> I had that same issue once, too, T3sl4
03:13 <Ysjoelfir> (but with the cheaper 500€ altium thing... can't afford the designer)
03:34 <Lemon> now I need to hack my gen to the 60Mhz version !
04:13 <Ysjoelfir> couldn't figure it out either. So I just created a new schlib, copied that thing there, saved that, reloaded altium, copied back over, and then it worked
05:02 <T3sl4> checking if it still does it on AD20
12:14 <T3sl4> hmm, doesn't seem to
12:28 <T3sl4> but it's also on the network there, so idunno
22:24 <T3sl4> found it, one component is stuffing it up somehow
24:41 <Ysjoelfir> strange
24:48 <Ysjoelfir> but hey, altium is another word for strange
25:25 <T3sl4> yep
27:07 * Ysjoelfir tries to find good things on being unemployed soon
27:07 <T3sl4> hmm, there were some lines /way/ outside the bounds of the symbol, wonder if that was some kind of overflow issue
27:19 <Ysjoelfir> Hey, I don'T have to work with that stupid pulsonix anymore, soon!
28:30 <Ysjoelfir> ^ T3sl4 I had that once with a footprint. somehow the 3d model had a tiny polygon somewhere like 500 meters away. that it to fuck up, too
30:09 <T3sl4> ;)
45:08 <hsn93> tesla
45:38 <hsn93> what u do when u get overloaded
45:42 <hsn93> with work
45:55 <hsn93> do u outsource to friends?
46:40 <hsn93> T3sl4 **
47:55 <T3sl4> haven't needed to so far
50:57 <hsn93> could u expand ur work load and hire someone ?
51:16 <T3sl4> i'd need to do actual marketing to get more work
52:00 <hsn93> why not ? it sucks?
56:18 <Ysjoelfir> I assume he struggles with the same problems as I do - we are engineers and love to tinker around with electronics - not sell ourselves and praise how gorgeous we are
56:38 <hsn93> i know
57:30 <hsn93> but .. u know.. its good to expand ..
59:46 <hsn93> and u know.. for T3sl4 i think its easy to enter he has got good knowledge very experienced
01:38 <hsn93> work on expanding might be boring but 1 year after it could be good outcome .. maybe by that time u can quit marketing for someone else and get bag to tinkering ?
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58:31 <hsn93> i thought common mode chokes should be in cable side !!
58:54 <hsn93> for Lan pulse transformers
01:07 <hsn93> TI place the common mode chokes on phy side !!
01:09 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/ez3wWb.jpg
09:05 <T3sl4> haha
09:07 <T3sl4> hahaha
09:31 <T3sl4> it's a circus of errors
12:16 <hsn93> :(
12:29 <hsn93> me = young players ! please TI !
20:56 <coppice_> I despise these rich people who can afford to throw so much ferrite at a problem
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22:03 <T3sl4> ironically, ferret beads are more expensive
24:18 <coppice_> if those ferrets turn out to be mink in disguise they get even more expensive
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27:08 <T3sl4> hey, relax, don't lose your chin-\chill-a
27:15 <T3sl4> -\
35:08 <hsn93> coppice_ like this : https://snipboard.io/qiECZG.jpg ? :P
35:45 <hsn93> probably both can share one ferrite :)
37:18 <coppice_> that would mean directly connecting the analog and digital Vdd pin, which may not be good
38:00 <T3sl4> i would be curious to know how sensitive those actually are
38:11 <T3sl4> BASE10/100-T is pretty boring stuff
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38:42 <hsn93> im new on the field
38:44 <T3sl4> might guess the AVDD involves a PLL which should be moderately clean, but the receiver ADC, meh?
39:13 <hsn93> hmm maybe but i think i saw (TI) short them into one bead ..
39:18 <hsn93> "i think" XD
39:47 <T3sl4> thing is, by putting impedances in, willy nilly, they are inviting worse problems
40:05 <T3sl4> players like hsn93 here can't be expected to know PDN analysis
40:36 <coppice_> is PDN short for pedestrian?
41:38 <T3sl4> equestrian, it takes a vet to perform
41:55 <hsn93> hsn93 searches about PDN analysis
44:25 <coppice_> T3sl4: 3/10, must try harder. I like the vet part, but the whole thing is completely let down by PDN not fitting equestrian in any meaningful way
45:47 <T3sl4> if you have to ask equestion about the pun, you don't deserve to get it
49:23 <hsn93> pun ?
49:26 <hsn93> :(
51:35 <coppice_> hsn93: ignore him. he's just horsing around
52:03 <hsn93> pdn looks easy :)
56:54 <hsn93> this one from ti also they share 3v3 https://snipboard.io/sy435I.jpg
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58:58 <Lemon> is it hard to solder those SMD electrolytic caps ?
59:02 <Lemon> the round metal ones
59:05 <Lemon> silverish
59:17 <K> by hand?
59:25 <Lemon> I think its easy to remove them, I remember mr carlson showing it
59:25 <Lemon> yeah
59:37 <DHess_US> https://www.3dprintingmedia.network/covid-19-3d-printed-valve-for-reanimation-device/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
59:37 <K> not that hard
59:51 <Lemon> yeah I saw that yesterday someone linked it
59:54 <Lemon> its so fucked up...
59:58 <Lemon> ok not that hard fine
00:10 <Lemon> because on my tek tds 540 theres like a good hundred, and one day I'll have to replace them all
00:16 <Lemon> its a known illness
00:20 <K> less complicated than tiny smd resistors and whatnot
00:32 <Lemon> I can see that theres faint lines on the lcd already
00:35 <Lemon> maybe its a sign
01:05 <K> i assume soldering with an soldering iron
01:10 <Lemon> yes
01:16 <Lemon> I have a ts100 with a fairly small tip
02:00 <K> um, as long as it is has some flat side (i.e. not conical crap), you should be fine
02:29 <K> i'd suggest a practice run before though
02:38 <Lemon> https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffr.rs-online.com%2Fweb%2Fp%2Fcondensateurs-aluminium%2F9206878%2F&psig=AOvVaw1J66R3ZaqbXwYXHx9UGICq&ust=1584637342460000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCKjj5KHApOgCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD
02:42 <Lemon> its those for example I think
03:21 <Lemon> im going to purchase all of them, aswell as some IPA
03:27 <Lemon> and the day it fails, I'll be ready
03:29 <Lemon> I must not fear
03:36 <Lemon> I paid a nice price for that scope
03:48 <Lemon> and it is in really nice condition, looks like new
03:53 <Lemon> with a cal in 2011 ! heh
04:46 <Lemon> got it for 290 euros, along with some free bnc cables (had to drive a lot through but it was nice)
04:58 <K> that is indeed nice
05:15 <Lemon> yeah 500mhz 1gs/s 4 channels, with some neat features
07:30 <K> i paid 180 eur for my hameg
07:34 <K> but it is almost prinstine
07:41 <Lemon> which model is it ?
08:09 <Lemon> yeah thats why I bought mine honestly, replacing cap is surely a long task
08:12 <Lemon> but it was like new
08:44 <K> HM605
09:54 <Lemon> 60mhz one ?
10:12 <Lemon> its a tad expensive but its in nice shape, well at least those are sturdy af
10:37 <Lemon> I paid that for a tek 2245 with two tek probes, in near new shape too
11:25 <Lemon> Id like to get a 2467 one day
11:53 <K> yea, 60MHz
12:19 <K> it is basic, but no proprietary asics inside and full schematics and repair manuals are available, if it shold ever fail
12:37 <Lemon> yeah thats really a nice thing
12:47 <Lemon> I can just pray that no IC will ever fail in my tds
13:09 <K> you could look out for parts
13:14 <K> in case
14:39 <Lemon> well you know its always well something fail, that theres none available
14:56 <Lemon> usually IC's rarely fail, especially in those
15:03 <Lemon> caps are their known illness
15:15 <Lemon> when not well
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09:47 <rust_collector> TA DAA!!!
11:48 <Lemon> tadaaa
12:36 <rust_collector> yes
44:53 <rust_collector> something is wrong with the weather today. my pasta screws takes forever to cook
48:04 <coppice_> pasta screws? have you started a thread on this topic?
49:32 <DHess_US> We moved your house to the top of Mount Everest why you were sleeping.
49:38 <Lemon> I think I will order every smd caps that are on the tds 540
49:42 <Lemon> in prevision
50:10 <rust_collector> thanks DHess_US
50:15 <DHess_US> hehe, I'd replace them with solid tantalums.
50:16 <rust_collector> nice up here
50:29 <rust_collector> Lemon, you are still not close to normal
50:36 <Lemon> yeah yeah I know
50:45 <Lemon> but I like this thing you know I want to keep it for a long time
50:52 <Lemon> I can see some fading lines on the screen
50:54 <DHess_US> 50% voltage derated and 1/4 the capacitance
50:58 <Lemon> I read that its fairly comon
51:06 <Lemon> but still its a known illness on those
51:19 <rust_collector> yeah, those french..
51:28 <Lemon> as long as it works I wont touch it
51:29 <DHess_US> It was only specific years. If the capacitors haven't leaked yet then they won't.
51:34 <Lemon> but if one day it fails I'll be ready
51:37 <DHess_US> They might be worn out.
51:44 <Lemon> hmmm
51:48 <Lemon> so you think its fine ?
51:54 <Lemon> I mean I can live with those faint lines
51:58 <Lemon> its not too bad
52:03 <DHess_US> I think what happened was Tektronix initially cleaned the boards in the wrong flux remover which attacked the rubber capacitor seals.
52:09 <Lemon> but idk if they havent leaked I need to open it
52:52 <Lemon> its a really nice scope
52:56 <Lemon> especially for 290 euros
53:06 <Lemon> man it looks like new thats impressive
53:14 <Lemon> not a single sign of wear anywhere
53:24 <Lemon> it even got intact cal stickers dating from 2011
54:07 <Lemon> do you think t hose faint lines can come from worned out caps ?
54:15 <Lemon> can it goes worse ? I mean, I guess it can
54:33 <DHess_US> https://i.imgur.com/BXSSLbQ.gifv
54:45 <DHess_US> I don't know. I would have to see them.
55:15 <rust_collector> that safe is pretty safe
55:30 <Lemon> pfff why I expected that ? xd
55:39 <Lemon> well I meant
55:51 <Lemon> is bad capacitors a sign of faint lines on the display ?
56:21 <Lemon> it looks like some lines got a lower intensity or so
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59:14 <Lemon> lets just hope no unobtainium ic's will die
59:34 <Lemon> 90s are usually the bad years for older instruments
59:40 <Lemon> lots of proprietary things
00:11 <rust_collector> 90s are bad years for new instruments too
12:42 <Lemon> DHess_US ho I have a good question for you ! I inherited from a resistance bridge from Ysjoelfir, that got absolutely no infos online. It looks in perfect shape, and uses two unknown batteries, theres just clips left
12:48 <Lemon> how can I determine the needed voltage ?
13:40 <DHess_US> I would need the make/model or a photograph.
14:14 <Lemon> so written on it theres a brand, I think its JJ
14:23 <Lemon> type BRT. resistance bridge
16:15 <Lemon> https://imgur.com/a/msrtxJ6
16:16 <Lemon> here you go
16:31 <Lemon> shit, one pic is crappy
16:42 <Lemon> but well theres no much to see, im trying to remove the board
16:55 <Lemon> maybe theres an OPamp or something to trace
21:37 <DHess_US> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battery_sizes#PP_series
22:14 <DHess_US> So 6 or 9 volts
22:41 <Lemon> https://www.weisd.com/products/864841-ml709ct-nte-equivalent-nte909-ic-hi-performance-op
22:43 <Lemon> I found dis
23:01 <Lemon> well its not a 9v batt
23:08 <Lemon> im sure of that, clips dont match
23:16 <Lemon> someone said it could be missing those support for multiple AA batteries
23:23 <DHess_US> PP batteries used a different size clip
24:08 <Lemon> the only chip besides resistors, polystyrene caps is that op amp
24:17 <Lemon> I need to find a datasheet, maybe it will help to determine voltage needed
48:03 <Ysjoelfir> I read my name?
48:40 <rust_collector> ok, why did you do that? are you one of those people who put their name on everything they own?
50:04 <Ysjoelfir> no. I'm just nysgjerrig
51:10 <rust_collector> how does that make you read your name? where did you see it anyway?
52:21 <Ysjoelfir> timestamp [20:12:40] from Lemon :)
52:28 <Ysjoelfir> and how.... what do I know?
52:38 <Lemon> the resistance bridge !
52:43 <Lemon> im disassambling it
52:55 <Lemon> a fucking ifixit bit is stuck right now grrr
53:15 <rust_collector> ufixitbit
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05:56 <rust_collector> good night
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14:57 <Guest|54504> Hi guys
15:36 <Lemon> hi !
16:31 <Guest|54504> i know this sounds out of the blue haha but I'm trying to figure out high voltage at a small form factor
16:37 <Guest|54504> any amazing suggestions?
18:29 <rust_collector> high voltage for what?
19:00 <Ysjoelfir> what? already going to bed rusty?
19:07 <rust_collector> yes
19:15 <rust_collector> i have to get up around 3
19:26 <Ysjoelfir> well, thats early. gn8 :)
19:26 <rust_collector> well, not later than 3
19:34 <Guest|54504> high voltage to create a shock
19:45 <Ysjoelfir> I have an amazing idea for that
19:55 <Guest|54504> im all ears haha
20:00 <rust_collector> piezo thing from a lighter is pretty compact
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20:26 <Guest|54504> I mean im trying to create a voltage with a form factor being super small with dimensions 1x2 inches
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20:42 <Guest|54504> trying to aim at creating 100 volts with this form factor
20:42 <Ysjoelfir> either that (piezo), or... well... my suggestion would be: don't do it. shocking people can be a crime
20:56 <Ysjoelfir> oh, you were talking about low voltage
21:11 <Guest|54504> yeah not like insanely high voltage haha
21:31 <Guest|54504> but im finding it challenging to even create 100 volts with this form factor
21:44 <Ysjoelfir> well then.... coin cell + unregulated boost converter
21:57 <Ysjoelfir> well, can be regulated as well, but...
23:02 <Guest|54504> I was thinking of using a small lithium ion battery with capacitors that can be found in USB killers and then amp up the voltage through voltage boosters
23:05 <Guest|54504> what do you say?
23:33 <Ysjoelfir> could work
23:42 <rust_collector> do you need the entire thing to be inside the 1x2", or can you use an external power, and charge it up between uses?
24:02 <Ysjoelfir> but why not just use a cap charged to X volts?
24:32 <rust_collector> I am hoping this ends up on youtube somehow, lol
27:08 <Lemon> pfff the last fucking pan screw is stripped
27:15 <Lemon> I cant remove a knob
27:39 <rust_collector> a 1"x2" cap would be shocking enough, at around 100v
27:43 <rust_collector> or 200
28:30 <Guest|54504> but rust do you have any suggestions on how I could achieve that?
28:49 <Ysjoelfir> take a cap, charge it, throw it at someone. done.
29:21 <rust_collector> I still wonder if it has to have the power inside the device, or if you can charge it up between uses
29:39 <Ysjoelfir> My instructor did that back in the days once. with a 220µF cap charged to 300V. He was like "Kai, catch!"
29:51 <Ysjoelfir> Well, the next day I brought one of those small caps I showed lemon....
30:02 <Ysjoelfir> 6800µF 450V
30:17 <Ysjoelfir> charged that to 300V and was like "Mr. Lange, catch!"
30:48 <Ysjoelfir> he never did that prank ever again
31:19 <rust_collector> what a wuss
31:27 <Ysjoelfir> hm?
31:52 <rust_collector> you can not stop, just because one guy... arrrgh
32:17 <Ysjoelfir> ah
32:20 <Ysjoelfir> well, he did :D
36:17 <rust_collector> Now that I think about it, I want a high voltage... wired to the doorbell knob
36:32 <Ysjoelfir> thats a great idea!
37:11 <rust_collector> I could go for the usual 555 and car ignition coil, but...
39:37 <rust_collector> ok, I have to go to bed, and you people made me wonder if you can charge up a cat... good night
43:21 <mamalala> heya everyone
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45:26 <Lemon> hello !!
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46:41 <MrMobodies> Hello
46:42 <EEVBlog> Hello there, MrMobodies!
47:25 <Ysjoelfir> hi
47:44 <MrMobodies> I went to have my frames changed
47:56 <mamalala> so, are you folks all propely stocked up on bog rolls and flour? :P
48:01 <MrMobodies> exact pair of frames
48:03 <MrMobodies> yes
48:35 <Ysjoelfir> frames?
48:44 <MrMobodies> I am pleased I got it done before it escalates anymore
48:50 <Ysjoelfir> no.. need more.
48:52 <MrMobodies> speactacles
48:57 <MrMobodies> oops glasses
48:58 <mamalala> good... because we all know that if anything is important, it's that you have squeeky clean arse when you keel over ... haha
49:04 <Ysjoelfir> aaaah
49:09 <MrMobodies> I had to go about 110 miles or so
49:16 <MrMobodies> to my previous area
49:39 <MrMobodies> there is a private optician that can order frames to any size to fit my head
49:50 <MrMobodies> where they don't stretch and fall off
50:12 <MrMobodies> and I had the lens for over 10 years
50:17 <MrMobodies> proper glass lenses
50:29 <MrMobodies> No problems cleaning them and no smears
50:43 <DHess_US> 10 years ago I bought two of the set frames with daytime and nighttime prescriptions. My daytime frames broke last year so I swapped the lenses.
51:03 <MrMobodies> well I ordered another set
51:19 <DHess_US> I've never seen the same frames remain available for more than a couple years.
51:25 <MrMobodies> they put the number on the nose piece, and it reflects on the glass so when I go again they can grind it off
51:38 <MrMobodies> I had these ones for five years
51:44 <MrMobodies> the previous ones
51:49 <MrMobodies> but they still make them
51:51 <DHess_US> At some point I will bead blast my old frames and silver solder them back together.
51:58 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: did your gf solve the puzzle, btw?
52:14 <MrMobodies> I don't want to go back to do days of emotional torture as long as they stay open.
52:19 <MrMobodies> and get me what i want
53:13 <MrMobodies> as I leaving the place, Hornchurch I couldn't breathe
53:22 <MrMobodies> it turned out to be the pollution
54:13 <DHess_US> My daytime lenses are glass photogrey. My nighttime ones were cheap plastic with a slightly stronger prescription.
54:45 <DHess_US> I bought a new set which are glass-photogrey-bifocal so those are now my spare set.
54:45 <MrMobodies> what's your opinion on the plastic and glass lens?
54:59 <DHess_US> I prefer glass so they are tougher.
55:11 <Ysjoelfir> mamalala sey she did and she enjoyed it very much
55:12 <MrMobodies> is your plastic ones easy to clean?
55:23 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: nice
55:30 <MrMobodies> oops grammar *are* not is
55:34 <DHess_US> I never used my nighttime plastic lenses very much so it is difficult to say.
55:38 <mamalala> Ysjoelfir: didn
55:59 <DHess_US> Probably less than 20 hours on my plastic ones and now I don't have frames for them.
55:59 <MrMobodies> also the tinting don't wear away with the glass
56:13 <mamalala> 't make it myself, just grabbed some screenshots of a video showing that puzzle, did some gimp magic, and then retraced it into an SVG file
56:16 <DHess_US> Huh? Photogrey is part of the glass. It can't wear away.
56:24 <MrMobodies> if I go into power tools I may need to get plastic set
56:38 <MrMobodies> tinting?
56:56 <MrMobodies> I mean with photogrey
56:58 <DHess_US> photogrey is clear normally but turns dark when exposed to UV like outside during the day.
57:03 <mamalala> there is one with even fewer parts, and "simpler" parts, which is also quite interresting... although it's not of the "needs to fill all the space in the square" type
57:06 <MrMobodies> I got the brown ones
57:12 <MrMobodies> mne turns brown
57:18 <mamalala> so i didn't really bother to recreate it yet
57:23 <DHess_US> I should have gotten my new ones as safety glasses.
57:48 <MrMobodies> what I find unual though the glass is half the price as the plastic lens
58:14 <MrMobodies> but then it will be for my safety
59:11 <Ysjoelfir> hehe :) It was very nice, thanks
02:31 <MrMobodies> Someone posted me a 4TB Seagate cloud drive
02:35 <MrMobodies> nothing wrong with it
02:54 <MrMobodies> I urged them to use another power supply that's all it was
03:00 <MrMobodies> they brought one on Amazon
03:06 <MrMobodies> and sent it to me
03:24 <MrMobodies> so I smashed it to bits and bundled a proper one in there with the tips to fit it
03:24 <Ysjoelfir> lol
03:25 <MrMobodies> https://i.imgur.com/abHlVlC.jpg
03:38 <MrMobodies> Left, no sheilding
03:48 <MrMobodies> not much components in there
03:54 <MrMobodies> compared to the LiShin one I sent
04:11 <MrMobodies> the quality one on the right stopped working
06:12 <MrMobodies> it was a Keple 12v 2a but looking at the DC cord it looks a bit too thin
06:43 <MrMobodies> Yungli caps in there
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10:10 <MrMobodies> I am bit surprised. It got good reviews
10:12 <MrMobodies> https://www.amazon.co.uk/product-reviews/B0711FB8WH
12:33 <MrMobodies> actually that one looks different
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50:18 <Lemon> I wonder why its so hard to get a lcr meter with better than 0.1% accuracy
50:27 <Lemon> for 60-100 euros you can get 0.3-0.2
50:36 <Lemon> then pouf 0.1 is already in the thousands
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06:58 <coppice_> Lemon: most accuracies are like that. Its pretty easy to get to a certain point, and then it rapidly becomes hard to get further improvements
07:19 <Lemon> yeah I know that but I mean, 0.1 isnt a big deal
07:21 <Lemon> well, I thought
07:37 <Lemon> it seems that the highest ones you can get are like 0.005 or something
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07:47 <Lemon> and we are speaking of tens of thousands if not hundreds
07:51 <Halcyon_Work_> Morning all
08:03 <coppice_> 0.1% can be a big deal if you want it over a decent temperature range
08:05 <Lemon> morning, evenning
08:08 <Halcyon_Work_> :)
08:15 <Lemon> yeah I'll be fine with my xjw01
08:26 <Lemon> I don't have the means to chase more accuracy in that area ;>
08:30 Nick: Halcyon_Work_ is now known as Halcyon[Work]
08:41 <Lemon> but I read that good kelvin clips could improve it
08:45 * Halcyon[Work] pounces on Ampera
08:47 <Lemon> I dont know if thats true
13:01 <Lemon> also I read that my siglent gen could improve by using a 10Mhz external ref
13:11 <Lemon> and I was looking at those chinese gpsdo modules
13:23 <Lemon> they seem to be nice, and can correct themselves
13:28 <Lemon> from what I understand
26:56 <mamalala> Lemon: if you use a gps based osc, you really want an external antenna, and leave that thing on all the time
27:15 <Lemon> leaving it on is no problem, and what kind of antenna do I need ?
27:27 <Lemon> if I go for it, I want it to be optimized :>
27:47 <mamalala> at least from what i know, they are not that good in stability right after you turn them on... it needs several hours to get to a real good stability
28:00 <mamalala> but then, i guess it also depends on the model/make of that
28:22 <Lemon> from what I understand, it needs many days to take data, so if it loses a signal it can use that data to stay stable
28:35 <Lemon> but if theres a good signal all the time, its really, really precise which is nice
29:00 <mamalala> Lemon: well, get a good ocxo first, they are fun to play with and often cheap to get ... next i would suggest a rubidium
29:11 <Lemon> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Trimble-GPS-Receiver-GPSDO-10MHz-1PPS-GPS-Disciplined-Clock-sine-and-square-wave-/252162780444
29:58 <mamalala> but then, these all need to be calibrated/adjusted at some point... so unless you know someone who has a really good counter or reference, you never really know what they actually produce
30:12 <Lemon> yes thats why I wanted to go with a gps disciplined one
30:19 <Lemon> no need to cal/adjust it
30:25 <Lemon> nor think about drift
30:36 <Lemon> as it adjust itself, with the signal it gets
30:41 <mamalala> well, not really
31:03 <mamalala> yes, sure, the gps helps, but it still depends on the stability of the local osc in that thing
31:33 <Lemon> yeah but I mean if it adjust it to a 'close to perfect' signal every 1 hour or so
31:36 <mamalala> basically, you can build a cheap gpsdo that over long term will have fantastic numbers, but will swing back and forth like crazy short term
31:38 <Lemon> its virtually perfect
32:34 <mamalala> trimble makes quite good oscillators
33:00 <mamalala> so, that thing you linked too probably isn't too shabby :)
33:04 <Lemon> id like to use it with my new siglent gen (which is amazing btw) as it accepts an external 10Mhz ref
33:29 <Lemon> yeah ! I heard those chinese boxes often use repurposed trimble/symmetricon/samsung etc stuff
34:44 <Lemon> I can also feed the hp counter with it
34:52 <Lemon> the scope too, im not sure
34:55 <mamalala> ah, speaking of that
35:05 <mamalala> http://atelier-klippel.de/hp5345a_rubidium.JPG
35:17 <mamalala> that was in january 2009
35:41 <mamalala> using one of these FE-something rubidium clocks
36:02 <mamalala> which i had sent to someone for adjustment against his caesium clock a year before
36:25 <Lemon> wahhhhh
36:29 <Lemon> thats so nice !!!
36:52 <Lemon> I wonder if its still in cal :> it should be, or really close !
37:13 <Lemon> can it measure itself ? well, its internal ref ?
37:16 <mamalala> well, i ararely used the instrument... it maybe got 10 hours total run-time after that
37:22 <mamalala> nope
37:43 <mamalala> i mean, think of it... how is it supposed to meassure itself? it has no reference timebase
38:02 <Lemon> well some counter ouput a 10Mhz signal, their internal ref basically
38:08 <mamalala> yes
38:10 <Lemon> so you can plug it to one channel
38:15 <Lemon> and see if its still in cal
38:27 <mamalala> but if you meassure it's wn internal ref, it will always give you exactly that nominal value
38:41 <mamalala> that is, lets assume you have an internal 10 MHz osc
38:51 <Lemon> even if it drifted ?
38:53 <mamalala> and you meassure that osc by itself, basically
39:22 <mamalala> even if you could theortical crank the osc up to 12 mhz, against itself it would still read 10mhz
39:33 <Lemon> hmmm yes ok I get it
39:34 <mamalala> it just would give you the readout ever so slightly faster :P
39:52 <Lemon> the siglent I just got also got a counter function
39:57 <Lemon> from like 100mhz to 200Mhz
40:07 <Lemon> so I can use it and compare it, I guess it will be much less accurate
40:11 <Lemon> but its worth a try !
40:25 <Lemon> but I want a gpsdo module
40:25 <mamalala> compare what?
40:30 <Lemon> its interesting
40:41 <Lemon> a module for example or a random signal, to see the difference of both
40:42 <mamalala> the siglent counter against it's own signal output?
40:46 <Lemon> no no
40:49 <mamalala> ah, ok
40:55 <Lemon> like, I output something from one of my gen and see if theres a big difference
41:00 <Lemon> I wont be able to see if they are in cal
41:04 <Lemon> but just to have an idea
41:11 <Lemon> the gpsdo itself is fine I think
41:22 <mamalala> frankly, i would trust the HP a bit more in that case :)
41:24 <Lemon> I saw some peeps using them to adjust counters
41:29 <Lemon> yeah lol
41:32 <Lemon> me too !
41:42 <Lemon> I havent got the chance to play a lot with it
41:43 <mamalala> btw, the image i linked to, it's set to the 1000s gate time
41:47 <Lemon> but I freaking love it !
42:00 <Lemon> what is the gate time basically ?
42:00 <mamalala> be careful with the input of the hp, though
42:05 <Lemon> I havent learnt a lot about it
42:12 <Lemon> yeah 5V pp
42:21 <mamalala> gate time = time window during which samples are collected
42:37 <Lemon> so one sample every 1ks ?
42:57 <mamalala> the more samples (well, pulses actually) you collect, the better the accuracy, for the same frequency
43:00 <mamalala> no
43:11 <mamalala> counters usually work like this:
43:20 <Lemon> haaa it collect for 1ks
43:21 <Lemon> right ?
43:31 <mamalala> you open a gate, and then just count up with every incomming pulse
43:45 <mamalala> after a precise time, you close the gate
43:59 <Lemon> and you output the result on a display
44:18 <mamalala> then you look how many pulses you counted, and since you know the time period over which you collect them, you know the frequency
44:39 <mamalala> that precise timing of the gate is what the internal osc is used for
45:05 <mamalala> all that also explains why a counter can not meassure it's own internal clock
45:07 <Lemon> so 10Mhz
45:13 <Lemon> is 10 million times per second
45:15 <Lemon> right ?
45:20 <mamalala> yes
45:24 <Lemon> that X 1000s (gate time)
45:30 * Ampera twiddles Halcyon[Work]
45:36 <mamalala> yes
45:56 <Lemon> and after that ? im lost
46:03 <Lemon> remember, I was really bad at maths xD
46:12 <Lemon> im somewhat good with mental calculus !
46:23 <Halcyon[Work]> Hey Ampera :)
46:30 <Ampera> hi Halcyon[Work] how are things
47:13 <Halcyon[Work]> Not too bad, so tired today. How about you?
47:22 <Ampera> alright
47:25 <Ampera> how are things in Australia
47:40 <mamalala> Lemon: well, ok ... let's take a simple example.... let's consider a gate time of 1 second
47:48 <Lemon> yes
47:53 <mamalala> your internal ref osc is 10MHz
48:32 <mamalala> during that one second gate, you count 100 pulses/events
48:56 <Lemon> hmmm
49:03 <Lemon> where do you get that 100 pulses/events ?
49:19 <mamalala> it's basically the frequency you apply externally
49:35 <Lemon> ho ok so 100hz ?
49:48 <mamalala> so, after 10 million internal clocks, the counting register reads 100
50:50 <mamalala> since we had a direct gate time = osc-frequency relationship, that calculation is easy, because, well, you just have to look what the counting register contains after 10 million clocks
51:34 <mamalala> now, if you have a shorter gate time, lets say 100ms, you then simply multiply the content of the counter reg by 10
51:53 <mamalala> if you have 10s gate time, you divide it by 10, and so on
52:08 <Lemon> I don't get it
52:11 <Lemon> so wait
52:17 <Lemon> lets say we keep that 1s gate time
52:23 <mamalala> yes
52:29 <Lemon> I apply a signal of 1kz to the input
52:38 <Lemon> and I still have a 10Mhz internal ref
52:40 <mamalala> ah, damn, i forgot a somewhat important point
53:03 <mamalala> you base your calculation on the number of internal clocks, not the time as such
53:31 <mamalala> that is what gives you all the digits after the decimal place
53:53 <Lemon> I think I need the formula, to understand it :>
53:55 <Lemon> a simple one
53:59 <Lemon> theres something I dont get
54:18 <mamalala> ok, lets put it differently
54:24 <mamalala> look at the image i linked to
54:37 <mamalala> what does it read, exactly
54:47 <Lemon> 10.000Mhz ?
54:50 <mamalala> no
55:05 <Lemon> wel, 10000000.000 :>
55:09 <mamalala> no
55:26 <Lemon> 10.000000000 !
55:31 <mamalala> yes
55:35 <Lemon> sorry xd
55:40 <Lemon> Im really tired
55:45 <Lemon> and dumber than usual !
55:46 <mamalala> now, you know it is 10mhz
56:07 <Lemon> Mhz ? right ?
56:14 <Lemon> Ysjoelfir keep flaming me with that
56:17 <mamalala> so, the internal clock, if you had a 1s gate, could only ever produce a 10.000000 reading
56:19 <mamalala> yes
56:22 <Lemon> 'ho you and your milihertz blablabla'
56:29 <mamalala> yea, silly, me :)
56:36 <Lemon> no no thats fine xd
56:55 <mamalala> now, how can it read 10.000000000 instead of only 10.000000
56:56 <Lemon> hmmm
57:37 <mamalala> simply because it uses a 1000s gate time... that gives you the extra three digits
57:55 <Lemon> yeah ok but I simply dont understand why
58:01 <Lemon> I mean
58:10 <Lemon> it count for a longer time, from what I understand
58:20 <Lemon> it got a larger window to take samples
58:21 <mamalala> yes
58:50 <mamalala> internally, however, it knows for how many reference clocks it has counted
59:06 <Lemon> so if I put the gate time to 1ms
59:13 <Lemon> I lose three more digits ?
59:21 <mamalala> basically, it's (1/f) * counts
59:35 <mamalala> "counts" meaning number of impulses/events/etc.
59:49 <mamalala> and 1/f is assuming you have a 1 second gate time
00:05 <mamalala> and f is the frequency of the internal oscillator
00:32 <Lemon> but its easy if we take a sine, triangle, square etc
00:44 <Lemon> but what if I feed an arb signal like a fucked up cardiogram
00:54 <Lemon> how does it calculate the frequency ?
01:06 <Lemon> thats not regular high/low anymore
01:11 <mamalala> that's where the "level" knob comes into play
01:30 <Lemon> haaa this knob I was playing with wondering 'the hell you are'
01:33 <mamalala> that it what defines your high/low transition point on the input
01:36 <Lemon> I was about to ask you
02:14 <Lemon> I havent used that counter much because Im so afraid of frying an input, as its onlky 5 v
02:37 <Lemon> ive set everything to 1Mohm, x10 attenuation, AC
02:43 <Lemon> well as long as its on x10
02:48 <Lemon> I could feed a 50v signal max right ?
02:50 <mamalala> btw, does your siglent has a ref output?
03:03 <Lemon> its a in/out yes
03:05 <Lemon> so I think it is
03:21 <mamalala> ok ... so you can do the following experiment then
03:47 <mamalala> set your siglent to 1MHz, for example, and connect the sig-gen output to the input of the counter
04:11 <Lemon> ha but I think it ouputs the 10Mhz ref
04:12 <mamalala> you should get a reading of more or less 1 mhz, depending on accuracy
04:15 <Lemon> wait lemme be sure of that
04:26 <Lemon> but the problem is my dear mother sleeping, I can't turn on the beast right now :>
04:28 <mamalala> nono, i mean the normal generator output of that thing
04:40 <mamalala> the "front panel output", so to say
04:45 <Lemon> haaa ok !
05:02 <mamalala> basically, you use the hp to meassure the normal output of the siglent
05:14 <Lemon> yeah true I could do that now that im sure of the voltage ouput
05:20 <Lemon> I can chose it precisely
05:33 <Lemon> but again I dont want to wake her up
05:45 <mamalala> then, connect the reference output of the siglent to the reference input of the hp (at the back) and set the hp to use the external ref input instead of it's internal osc
06:04 <Lemon> haaaaa I see where this is going !
06:16 <mamalala> suddenly, the hp will show you the exact frequency of whatever you set your siglent to
06:45 <mamalala> only that it isn't the real exact frequency, it is "exact" only in so far that bot instruments are now using the same reference clock
07:10 <Lemon> thats why I wanted to use a gpsdo module, to connect every instrument possible to it
07:25 <Lemon> so I get a nice accuracy and no differences between them
07:25 <mamalala> btw... that exact 10MHz reading in that picture...
07:36 <mamalala> one could say that i cheated to get it
07:47 <mamalala> not by any fancy ref-input stuff or such
07:55 <mamalala> but still...
08:12 <Lemon> tell me your dirty secret !
08:13 <Lemon> haha
08:19 <mamalala> thing is, rubidium clocks are somewhat sensitive to the earth's magnetic field
08:43 <mamalala> so if you have that rubidium clock on your desk, and rotate it a bit, the frequency will change ever so slightly
08:50 <Lemon> yeahhhh we talked about that !
08:55 <Lemon> haha I seeeeee
08:58 <mamalala> it is minmal, but still measurable
09:10 <Lemon> what we would do for those freaking digits :P
09:32 <mamalala> so, in reality the last two digits on that readout would be +/- 20 or 30 or so, i think it was
09:45 <Lemon> man thats close enough !
10:01 <mamalala> only in a very specific orientation of the rubidium i was able to get that exact readout ...
10:20 <mamalala> yea, it's actually in the mhz range ... and yes, milihertz this time :)
10:27 <Lemon> those chinese gpsdo are like, 9.999999.97X
10:43 <Lemon> I would have done the same haha
11:06 <mamalala> it took me an hour or two of repositioning the rubidium clock
11:22 <mamalala> plus 6 hours of warmup for both prior to that
11:29 <mamalala> i mean, 1000s gate time ...
11:39 <mamalala> 1000/60
11:55 <mamalala> that's the time in minutes between each measurement
12:09 <Lemon> yeah a good 15-18 min
12:25 <mamalala> and you need twice that time for each orientation change to get one "full" cycle
12:26 <Lemon> too lazy to do math at that hour
12:41 <Lemon> so if I put the gate time to 1ms
12:42 <mamalala> yes, 16.666~ minutes
12:48 <Lemon> I only get like
12:53 <Lemon> 5 digits ?
13:10 <Lemon> or I still get digits but less accuracy
14:00 <mamalala> the way that old thing works, you get less digits ... it says so right there for the knob
14:04 <mamalala> "display position"
14:22 <mamalala> 1000s is what you see there
14:22 <Lemon> ha yes !
14:32 <Lemon> but I mean, on the 100nS setting
14:36 <Lemon> you have... 1 digit ? xD
14:40 <Lemon> no thats not possible
14:42 <mamalala> for every step lower, you shift the whole display by one position to the right, loosing one digit
14:56 <mamalala> well
15:10 <Lemon> or you can only measure on 1hz range ?
15:18 <Lemon> but like, blazin fast !
15:18 <mamalala> it can do "higher" resolution for a given gate time
15:36 <mamalala> but that would then be an average over several gate periouds
16:03 <Lemon> I see !
16:07 <mamalala> plus, that knob really is two knobs
16:15 <Lemon> yes I just saw that
16:22 <Lemon> the 'vernier' is a bit wonky
16:28 <Lemon> I tried to adjust it a bit but nah
16:30 <mamalala> the thin front part is the gate time
16:43 <mamalala> the longer back part is the display position
17:49 <Lemon> and the sample rate knob ?
18:39 <mamalala> that's the period between/of the gate time cycles, iirc
19:23 <mamalala> so, the sample rate thing says how often a gate is triggered, gate time says how long that gate is open, and display position set the readout accuracy
19:45 <mamalala> but don't hold me to that... it's sooooo long since i used that thing
20:36 <Lemon> yeah I will try to play with it later today
20:38 <mamalala> basically, it allows you to set the tradeoff between accuracy and measurement speed yourself
20:44 <Lemon> shit, rondoudou came on my lap
21:16 <mamalala> also, the knobs are quite crusty... i mean, the switches on potentiometers that they operate
21:27 <mamalala> i never cleaned them ...
21:30 <Lemon> I'll have to experiment :P but yeah, I want that gpsdo module ! and those gpib cables, to play with all that people on my computer :>
21:59 <mamalala> all i did to that thing was replacing the incadescent bulbs inside it with stupidly old red led's
22:13 <Lemon> heh thats already nice !
22:21 <Lemon> it would be fun to find a module for it :>
22:25 <mamalala> ah, btw... did i tell you what the star-shaped indicator on that instrument means after you power it up?
22:53 <Lemon> I dont think so ! I havent paid attention to it :>
23:03 <mamalala> you know, when you turn it on it lights up a star/asterisk/snowflake shaped symbol
23:11 <mamalala> well
23:45 <mamalala> as long as that is symbol is on, the internal osc has not reached the set temperature
24:04 <mamalala> only after it goes out the internal osc is considered stable
24:05 <Lemon> haaa, the 'lock-up' ?
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24:15 <mamalala> not really a lock indicator
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24:33 <mamalala> it's literally an output of the internal oscillators temperature control
25:22 <Lemon> ok, thats interesting :>
25:40 <mamalala> oscillator oven has reached the right temperature = indicator turns off
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25:54 <Lemon> I'll give it a try after a good sleep !
26:11 <mamalala> it sure is fun to play with ...
26:44 <mamalala> for some sad reason i have always been more interrested in time measurement ... compared to voltage, current, etc...
27:11 <Lemon> heh its pretty interesting I must say ! I love all of them, thats really bad...
28:02 <mamalala> there is a really interresting video about these hp caesium clocks and gravity
28:08 <mamalala> let me see if i can find it
30:53 <mamalala> damn, i can't find it
31:04 <Lemon> no worries, im heading to bed !
31:06 <mamalala> basically, a guy had two of these hp caesium clocks
31:21 <mamalala> he calibrated them in his home, then took one up a mountain
31:26 <Lemon> I think you talked about that one where I was at your place !
31:32 <Lemon> I really want to see it :>
31:49 <Lemon> if you can find it while I sleep, can you email it to me ? or maybe you'll be here later today
31:55 <mamalala> and when he took it back, you could see the difference in time
32:05 <mamalala> basically proving einstain
33:53 <Lemon> freaking relativity !
35:41 <Lemon> ho I have a question
36:08 <Lemon> you know on my tds 540, the probe compensation front pins or whatever you call them are borked
36:23 <mamalala> ok
36:26 <Lemon> so to see if my probes are compensed, I just ouput a square wave with the siglent
36:36 <Lemon> but the scope got a built it compensation gain feature
36:38 <mamalala> yea
36:47 <Lemon> I never tried it with the square wave from the generator
37:00 <Lemon> it just gave an error with the built in pins, as it was broke
37:01 <mamalala> well, i can only say for the normal probe comp stuff
37:07 <Lemon> but can I use it with the generator instead ?
37:18 <Lemon> and what is it doing ?
37:27 <Lemon> I mean, if I can compensate it by eye
37:30 <Lemon> is it doing something more ?
37:52 <mamalala> you plug the probe on that, then adjust the trimmer on the probe to get minimal distrotion of the waveform, to make it a squarewave
38:15 <mamalala> dunno about any internal probe compenstation stuff
38:15 <Lemon> yeah I know that, I was just wondering if the automatic gain compensation is doing something more
38:32 <Lemon> and if I can give it a try with an external signal, instead of the built in one
38:33 <mamalala> it may or may not do some funky stuff the, like different frequencies, etc...
38:36 <Lemon> or if it will fuck up everything
39:14 <mamalala> if you can fuck something up, it's usually mentioned in the manual... at least for proper instruments :P
39:47 <mamalala> but then, proper instruments also used to have extensive "theory of operation" sections in the manual ... and you could easily get the schematics as well
39:49 <Lemon> yeah t hats true but sometimes its not really fucked up, its just that you need to 're-compensate it' while the built in feature cant be used :P
40:14 <Lemon> well when I look at it it seems to be perfect
40:17 <Lemon> so I wont touch it haha
40:30 <mamalala> probably a good idea :)
40:35 <Lemon> im still waiting the second probe, the dude hasnt sent it yet
40:46 <Lemon> those are the ones that came with the probe initialy
40:56 <Lemon> 500Mhz, 10pf or whatever
41:10 <Lemon> 8pf
41:28 <Lemon> so yeah I think it was already fine because the scope was calibrated with thoes
41:29 <Lemon> those
41:58 <mamalala> well, look at it this way
42:31 <mamalala> for 99.9% of the stuff you are going to meassure with a scope, the probe compensation is not that critical
42:46 <mamalala> like, if you test a clock signal, or signals on a bus, etc...
43:15 <mamalala> you always have to consider what the actual, physical circuit you are probing already does to the signal
43:21 <Lemon> yeah scopes arent really precision tools
43:52 <Lemon> this one seems to be fairly precise, and still in cal
44:01 <Lemon> but my 2245 might benefit from some adjusts
44:09 <mamalala> but of course, if you test something that has some random errors on a databus, or seems to skip clocks, etc., the you want to make sure that what you see on the scope is as true to the actual signal as it can be
44:37 <mamalala> what? not precission tool? have you been living under a rock for the past decades? :P
44:53 <Lemon> well by that I mean, most of them are what, 1% accurate ? :>
45:06 <Lemon> its not like a dmm with its 0.002% DC accuracy :P
45:09 <mamalala> there are friggin massive scopes, up in the many-GHz range, that are freakishly precise for what they do
45:20 <Lemon> yeah but I meant, scope that me and you use ! x)
45:25 <Lemon> of theres ultra precise scopes :P
45:29 <mamalala> you confuse level accuracy with signal accuracy here
45:41 <Lemon> lets say, overall accuracy :>
45:52 <Lemon> they are alright but they dont need to be adjusted with ultra high end gear
46:20 <mamalala> sure, if you have an 8 or 10 bit converter, you won't be very precise in your voltage readings ... but that doesn't mean your time-related (i.e. waveshape) meassurements are not precise
47:26 <Lemon> yeah it all depends on your vision of precision
47:53 <mamalala> no, it all depends on what you want to measure
48:20 <mamalala> and scopes are rather complex in that they measure two things at one
48:27 <mamalala> *once
48:40 <Lemon> thats true yes !
48:59 <Lemon> but for some peeps, a 0.1% DC accurate DMM is 'very precise'
49:06 <Lemon> for me, its meh at best :>
49:16 <mamalala> like, if you want to check if a clock signal is ok, that is, that is has no dropouts, you don't care much about the level accuracy
49:20 <Lemon> thats what I meant
49:28 * T3sl4 rolls up his windows
49:51 <mamalala> but if you want to check that some integrator works fine, and has no sudden steps, you don't care much about the absolute voltage reading
50:30 <DHess_US> I don't know what makes LCR meters not as accurate as they should be. Reference resistance and capacitance is much better than something in the measurement technique.
50:45 <mamalala> but if you hunt down an issue on a digital bus, you want to make sure that both are correct, since you need to know that certain threshold levels are reached within certain time periods
51:15 <mamalala> so, that would be a case were you want a good compensated probe, because you need to see that there is no signal bounce, for example
51:40 <mamalala> but with a badly uncompensated probe, you may see a signal that looks all bouncy and shit
52:05 <mamalala> DHess_US: there are pretty good lcr bridges out there
52:16 <mamalala> for good money, unfortunately
52:29 <Lemon> yeah I was talking about that earlier
52:36 <Lemon> like, 0.3% to 0.1% is affordable
52:45 <Lemon> but go down to 0.01% and be ready to spend tens of thousands
52:49 <mamalala> yep
53:05 <mamalala> as someone else said about that, there is a pont of diminishing returns
53:19 <Lemon> yeah
53:31 <DHess_US> mamalala, it is pretty common to translate between aperture uncertainty and dynamic range in converters. There is a direct correspondence between them so higher resolution converters require more accurate clocks.
53:43 <mamalala> you need to put in exonentially more effort (in circuit design, characterization, parts selection, etc.) for only small gains in precission and/or accuracy
53:48 <DHess_US> It is the same when translating between phase noise and dynamic range.
54:16 <DHess_US> Which is why quiet oscillators require quiet power supplies.
54:23 <mamalala> indeed
55:02 <DHess_US> I don't know for LCR meters. You have to design for temperature stability but there is something about the measurement which makes systematic errors which do not calibrate out.
55:33 <DHess_US> So even my 1960s ESI impedance bridge is good to 0.1%
56:04 <DHess_US> I would need to design and build a "modern" one to find out what is so difficult.
56:11 <mamalala> stray capacitances (if you measure low values), time contraints (if you measure high capacitances), non-linearities in the dielectrics you measure, etc
56:40 <mamalala> temperature (and temp-co'
56:49 <mamalala> s) in the sample specimen ...
57:01 <mamalala> (and the ref's used in the device itself, obviously)
57:25 <DHess_US> stray capacitance calibrates out. non-linearity of voltage coefficient of capacitance is a large signal phenomena so it can be measured.
57:50 <mamalala> well, yes and no, for stray capacitnces for example
58:23 <mamalala> at really low capacitances, just handling the sample, or the sample carrier, can introduce signicant errors
58:45 <mamalala> moisture/oils/etc. transferred from your grubby fungers, breathing on it, etc
58:52 <DHess_US> That's actually one of the reasons I might design and build one. Then I could deliberately measure voltage coefficient of capacitance and dissipation versus voltage.
58:52 <mamalala> *fingers
59:26 <DHess_US> But even with parts where that isn't a problem, or if you handle the part not to cause that, the uncertainty is still greater.
00:18 <DHess_US> My guess is that flicker noise causes the problem.
00:29 <mamalala> like, i always wondered about the actual, physical setup required for these ridiculous ohm-meters that go way up into the gigaohm range, with silly low tolerances
01:09 <mamalala> i mean, at these levels you almost have to take the resistance of air into account :P
01:15 <DHess_US> I've measured gigohms to 1% but that was limited by my 1% reference resistor.
01:46 <DHess_US> Build an electrometer capable buffer and measure ratios of resistance.
01:47 <mamalala> i guess that atmospheric humidity also played a role
02:01 <mamalala> and the humidity of the test specimen
02:07 <DHess_US> Ah, but if that is the case, then your reference and measured resistor are not 1%.
02:13 <Lemon> theres a guildline instrument from the 70s
02:22 <Lemon> that is accurate to 2% in the petaohm range
02:27 <Lemon> thats, insane
03:03 <Lemon> fucking petaohms !
03:21 <mamalala> DHess_US: yes, true... and that's what i'm hinting at ... parts can be made to a certain spec... and if you keep them in the same atmospheric conditions and temperature, and never touch them with bare hands, they will stay like that
04:05 <DHess_US> And that explains why tolerance becomes worse at super high values of resistance.
04:14 <mamalala> but if you use the average-joe's way of measuring things, you pick up that resistor by hand, at whatever your room temp and humidity is, and stick probes to it
04:26 <mamalala> yeah
04:38 <DHess_US> The people who measure these things know to use gloves, tongs, alcohol wipes, etc.
04:44 <mamalala> yep
05:01 <mamalala> better not to look at these things as well :P
05:02 <DHess_US> Of course my best 1 gigohm resistor is 1%.
05:17 <mamalala> how big is that thing?
06:12 <DHess_US> Ah, found it. It is actually 999 megohms.
06:30 <mamalala> :P
06:42 <DHess_US> 6 inches long
06:48 <DHess_US> It is made for a 1:1000 probe
08:43 <DHess_US> bottom one here, http://www.caddock.com/Online_catalog/Mrktg_Lit/TypeMG.pdf
09:12 <mamalala> ahh, caddock ...
09:29 <DHess_US> This resistor but 999M, https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Caddock/MG815-150M-01?qs=%2Fha2pyFadujGyGr3wddoxdMqEmbTHHWMMrHtPOl%2F%252B8Q%3D
09:53 <DHess_US> Says 0.1% but I'm not sure.
09:56 <mamalala> that reminds me ... i still have a pot full of carbon conductive ink around ... well, not ink as such, it's more like a paste, for slikscreen-printing
10:12 <mamalala> always wanted to do some experiments with that, now that i have a laser cutter
10:39 <mamalala> pricing: request a quote :P
10:51 <mamalala> but that probably just because it's out of stock
11:35 <mamalala> seems it doesn't even really exist anymore
11:58 <mamalala> pretty much all links to possible suppliers go to mouser, which doesn't have it in stock
12:08 <mamalala> *who
12:38 <Lemon> well if its 999 it makes sense, if its 0.1%
13:06 <Lemon> usually those resistors are what, 70-100 bucks a pop ?
14:37 <mamalala> btw... that carbon conductive ink is just great to make your own through-plated pcb's....
14:58 <mamalala> while it's still "messy", due to the ink, it's much less so compared to the regular method
15:56 <mamalala> print a drill template, stick it on the blank pcb ... drill the holes ... dilute the ink with isoprop alc, smear it into the holes, the use the vaccum cleaner to suck it out
16:49 <mamalala> stick the board into a bath to copper-plate the whole thing... apply dry photo resist, expose, develop, etch... done :P
17:12 <mamalala> sure, quite some effort, but a shitload of fun as well
18:02 <mamalala> ... and then came the cheap chinese stores like seeed or itead... not really worth it doing it yourself anymore, except for the excercise and learning-something aspect, i guess
18:30 <Lemon> jlcpcb !
18:44 <Lemon> thats what, 5 or 10 boards 10x10cm 2 layers for 2 dollars ?
19:02 <mamalala> yea, it get's cheaper and cheaper
19:13 <mamalala> but then, it's not really a surprise
19:42 <mamalala> i mean, the equipment needed to make proper 2 layer boards is fucking cheap nowdays, when you buy it used
20:13 <mamalala> the only big thing is the handling/disposal of chemicals ... but the chinese don't care that much about that shit, so there
20:52 <mamalala> ok, sure, one could also make the argument of labout cost here in the west being higher... but then, the chinese have beat us to that a long time ago
22:58 <Lemon> I think the cancer my father developped was mostly because of chemicals he handled his whole life, add that some decades of smoking and bam (even if he had quit for 10 years, and went biking every week)
23:38 <mamalala> yea, we hav /had) the same issues here in my area
24:00 <Lemon> back in the days you could dip your arms in tricloethylene without issues
24:11 <mamalala> all the coal miners died somewhat early... and those who didn't, had to suffer a lot for a long time
24:27 <mamalala> for one, because their respiratory system was all fucked up
24:40 <Lemon> that and fucking farmers with their damn pesticides
24:54 <mamalala> but then their bodies as such were fucked ... heavy duty work in cramped spaces where you can't stand up, etc...
25:05 <Lemon> poor guys really
25:51 <mamalala> what really makes me sad... these people got the country back on it's feet after the war ... without them, people would have frozen to death, no electricity, etc....
26:21 <mamalala> and the few that are still alive today can barely buy a half-decent breakfast every day, because fo their shitty low pensions
26:46 <mamalala> well, about tri
26:59 <mamalala> (i think it's the same stuff)... it's a strong solvent, right?
27:44 <mamalala> used to use that every day, several times a day, when i had my second apprenticeship as offset-printer/photo-motage/typesetting
28:12 <mamalala> it was used to clean the rubber sheets on the printing drums
28:14 <Lemon> yeah
28:22 <Lemon> now you have to at least wear gloves
28:27 <Lemon> like it will change anything
28:33 <mamalala> yea, that stuff is nasty
30:09 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Ah Youtube, specialists in making creators feel crap and useless every day as you log into the Dashboard! https://t.co/8Xf14yTZ2M
30:52 <mamalala> i don't get all that complaining about youtube
31:07 <Lemon> ho its the french attitude !
31:12 <Lemon> complain about alllll the things :P
31:33 <mamalala> yes, they have become shit, their rules are as flexible as air, you can be demonetized or booted of at any time for whatever reason
31:53 <mamalala> but why complain about that? there are now several other platforms out there were one can publish their content
32:17 <mamalala> but i guess the easy ad-revenue money is just too good
33:01 <mamalala> yes, it takes effort to set up a donation/subscription system that is external to whatever site you have the videos on ... and you need to mention it often to make people aware, etc...
33:25 <mamalala> but many creators do that already anyways, even on yt ... "here's my patreon", etc...
33:51 <Lemon> people tend to forget that at first, youtube was there to showoff for fun
33:52 <Lemon> not to replace a job
34:09 <mamalala> so why are they still complaining? they should all just fuck off of youtube, like a mass-exodus, to other platforms... that's the only way they get yt itself to change
34:40 <mamalala> as long as they stay there, and everyone makes their sweet ad revenue, nothing will change
44:56 <Lemon> thats how it is I guess ! ok thats time to sleep now
45:02 <Lemon> almost 3am, goddamn !
45:08 <Lemon> see you later dude, if you are on :>
45:14 <Lemon> and have a good night !!
45:21 <mamalala> night Lemon
49:37 <T3sl4> also, oh* shoot
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26:14 <rust_collector> morning! ... and yes, I am already late... bye!
26:29 <mamalala> lol
30:39 <Halcyon[Work]> Ampera: Things are sunny
30:43 <Halcyon[Work]> It's a nice day today.
33:56 <mamalala> heya Halcyon[Work]
34:03 <Halcyon[Work]> Hey mamalala
34:05 <Halcyon[Work]> What's doing?
34:23 <mamalala> well, 3:34 in the night here, can't sleep for some reason
34:28 <mamalala> and you?
34:34 <Halcyon[Work]> 1334 here
34:42 <Halcyon[Work]> Doing OK
34:45 <mamalala> stockpiled enough bog rolls and flour? :P
34:58 <Halcyon[Work]> Pfft, no
35:03 <Halcyon[Work]> I'm not an idiot
35:04 <mamalala> good
35:16 <mamalala> man, i was in the supermarket this evening
35:30 <steve30> hi Halcyon[Work]
35:37 <Halcyon[Work]> Hey Steve :)
35:48 <mamalala> single people, the trolley filled up with 15+ packs of water... each pacj has 6 bottles with 1.5 liters each
36:08 <Halcyon[Work]> People realise that water comes out of the tap right?
36:19 <Halcyon[Work]> And even if they want to filter it, just buy a filter jug
36:23 <mamalala> other carrying out toilet paper as if that stuff was some delicacy to eat or something
36:34 <mamalala> *others
37:26 <mamalala> the wife of a friend of mine works in a supermarket... they started to hide pallets with flour and other stuff while unloading, because people get really aggressive to get that shit
37:35 <mamalala> fukcing insanity
38:16 <mamalala> but hey... the all will have shiny clean assholes when they keel over ... hahaha
39:29 <steve30> Halcyon[Work], I phoned another air conditioning guy yesterday. He's going to come round on Friday.
39:36 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: These 4G antenna still don't work in the bunker. #NoSurprise https://t.co/B2vTxMxnP7
40:09 <steve30> I also got a call from one of those Indian scammers pretending to be british telecom. Apparently they've received messages from my router to say that my internet connection might not be working properly.
40:59 <mamalala> steve30: you need to run dir /s to see all the files that some hackers have compromised!!! .P
41:33 <mamalala> and also that net command on windows to show you all the active connections these hackers use on your network
41:35 <mamalala> hahaha
41:50 <Halcyon[Work]> You just love having guys around don't you steve30 ? :P
41:51 <steve30> Maybe I should also check Event Viewer
42:15 <mamalala> steve30: have you heard of jim browning, kitboga and scammer revolts, to name a few?
42:38 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I predict a global rise in break ins https://t.co/Zt4EeDauo5
43:03 <mamalala> ahh, yes, you sure want to check all the services that these nasty hackers have disabled... hey, i can fix that for you!! you just need a couple of giftcard codes to send me
43:30 <DHess_US> Eggs and salads gone, https://imgur.com/a/Hvt8dZw
43:41 <steve30> I watch Jim Browning
44:13 <mamalala> steve30: here's cammerrevolts ... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0uJKUXiU5T41Fzawy5H6mw/videos
44:33 <mamalala> sure, nasty stuff, but then, these assholes deserved it, in my opinion
44:53 <mamalala> and kitboga ... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0uJKUXiU5T41Fzawy5H6mw/videos
45:02 <mamalala> he wastes their time in hillarious ways
45:51 <steve30> Halcyon[Work], I was going to go swimming yesterday, but they closed it because coronavirus
46:04 <DHess_US> Met my first Covad crazy person inside the grocery store yelling about health insurance and lawsuits.
46:10 <mamalala> DHess_US: yea, similar stuff here... just crazy
46:33 <mamalala> thing is, all that stockpiling just fuels the scare
47:01 <DHess_US> Heard one of the supermarket employees talking. They said they aren't receiving the stock they are ordering.
47:15 <mamalala> people want to buy some food... see that it's all gone ... go into a frenzy to get food ... then frenzy up even more once they find some ... and the cycle repeats for the next person
47:34 <mamalala> DHess_US: yea, same here for some stuff...
48:40 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: I'm going to guess that's not normal... https://t.co/woicOfPoSo
50:41 <DHess_US> I didn't take photographs of everything gone. Most of the fresh meats were gone.
51:19 <DHess_US> No potatoes, no onions, most produce gone, bread gone
51:43 <mamalala> yea... same here in the supermarket across the street
51:46 <DHess_US> Covid, not covad.
52:06 <mamalala> they got fresh deliveries in the morning, by afternoon it was all gone again
52:25 <mamalala> they don't even bother to put the stuff into shelves now
52:58 <mamalala> thay mostly put the pallets out in the aisles... people will grab it like crazy
53:27 <mamalala> wE aRe AlL gOiNg To Die!! :P
54:03 <DHess_US> That is what the guy ranting about health insurance and lawsuits said.
54:27 <DHess_US> He got one look at me and shut up and walked off. I think it was my 10mm aura.
54:36 <mamalala> lol
54:43 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Wow, the little Aussie battler is at 55c and on the ropes. https://t.co/r0IkIloQAR
55:01 <mamalala> St. DHess_US
57:36 <DHess_US> What I want to know is, who eats those prepackaged salads? Those things are gross.
58:10 <mamalala> well, i eat them sometimes, when they are freshly delivered in the morning
58:32 <mamalala> because buying whole lettuce things is just too much for me, quantity wise
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40:34 * steve30 curls up on Halcyon[Work]'s lap
40:40 <Halcyon[Work]> Aww :)
40:48 <Halcyon[Work]> Nearly home time for me :D
43:05 <steve30> Still in Canberra?
43:14 <Halcyon[Work]> Yeh until tomorrow evening
43:22 <Halcyon[Work]> I'm hoping to finish up here about midday tomorrow
47:55 <steve30> what are you doing there?
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39:19 <hsn93> wwooh
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47:08 <Ysjoelfir> hello
50:24 <hsn93> hello there
50:36 <hsn93> hello there, Ysjoelfir
50:36 <EEVBlog> Hello there, hsn93!
50:39 <hsn93> !
50:47 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
51:00 <hsn93> i recieved one pack
51:08 <Ysjoelfir> of toilet paper?
51:11 <Ysjoelfir> you rich bastard
51:19 <hsn93> https://snipboard.io/CPwexh.jpg
51:32 <hsn93> we dont use toilet paper remmeber :)
51:51 <Ysjoelfir> oh, you use that little hose by the toilet, right?
52:55 <hsn93> yess
54:29 <hsn93> question
54:57 <hsn93> do i need to study and understand (differential equations) before going to (transmission line) stuff ..
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56:00 <hsn93> just for building (schematic and pcb designs) stuff while "understanding" what im doing, impedance matching, zo, etc ..
56:58 <hsn93> because last night i was looking at few "transmission line basics" videos and tutorials they were talking about differential equations
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57:20 <hsn93> thanks to my university we got no math subjects !!
57:54 <hsn93> this one for example
57:54 <hsn93> http://www.eas.uccs.edu/~mwickert/ece3110/lecture_notes/N3110_2.pdf
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28:40 <Ysjoelfir> hello again. sorry, hat a chat with a workmate who just pointed me at someone that is looking for new employees
28:59 <steve30> hi
29:59 <Ysjoelfir> hello steve30
30:58 <Ysjoelfir> hsn_no_PDN_knowledge: Well, knowledge in differential equations is always usefull in engineering :) isnce I don't work with transmission lines I can't say if you absolutely need it there though
32:06 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i need to restudy math
34:04 <Ysjoelfir> I wouldn't say that. only if you want to become as knowledgeable as T3sl4 :)
34:56 <Ysjoelfir> I did engineering stuff for the past 15 years and only learned about differential equations in my studies 6 years ago. for the stuff I do it's..... sometimes usefull.
36:14 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> Ysjoelfir im the guy with paradox that if i dont understand it = its probably wrong
36:20 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> even if everybody is doing it
38:17 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i was just putting "bob smith" termination and had to verify that "PEO has negotation" so peo doesnt blow up my device
38:58 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> this information is easy to find, but it was not there for chips im designing .. u can imagine this as example of all other things
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58:32 <Ysjoelfir> I understand that. But remember, failure is crucial when you try to succeed and learn.
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04:47 <hsn93> understood sir
05:31 <Ysjoelfir> I always feared that something will blow up. especially since I am working with high-ish currents atm.
05:39 <Ysjoelfir> But well... sometimes it needs to do that
05:51 <Ysjoelfir> and also: if it blews up, you know you made a mistake^^
06:09 <Ysjoelfir> better that than having it running, potentially even running in spec, and then after some time blowing up
06:44 <hsn93> exactly ... morphy ..
06:49 <hsn93> will hit u
07:07 <hsn93> that my paradox .. that i do somthing that doesnt blow up ..
07:09 <hsn93> :)
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07:52 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> T3sl4 will love my new nickname
08:25 <Ysjoelfir> I'm sure he will. :D
08:28 <T3sl4> the more we know, the less we know we know
08:45 <Ysjoelfir> So that makes you basically dumb as a bread? :D
10:34 <Ysjoelfir> or better, it makes you dumb in regards of knowing your knowledge.
10:35 <T3sl4> hmm
10:43 <T3sl4> before or after it's baked?
11:03 <Ysjoelfir> Before. Maybe just slightly browned. I like it a bit crisp but still white.
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11:35 <Ysjoelfir> Guest|54504! Just close that damn IRC browser window!
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12:05 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> T3sl4 reminds me of "dunning kruger effect"
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12:39 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> EEVBLOG vote kick Guest|54504
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12:52 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> ^ ampera we need that
12:53 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> xD
12:58 <Ysjoelfir> absolutely.
13:03 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> eevblog vote kick ampera
13:48 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> btw "dunning-kruger" looks like ESD test waveform
13:49 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f0/a4/d1/f0a4d125717ef24de54e9c620d98e2b9.jpg
14:12 <Ysjoelfir> hehe
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16:05 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> Ysjoelfir: https://snipboard.io/jVkYRn.jpg ?
17:05 <Ysjoelfir> yeah, but.
17:17 <Ysjoelfir> maybe a new guest joins sometime, being very nice
17:41 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> yeah there should be "ignore for 8 hours"
17:44 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> like whatsapp
17:52 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> mute notification thingy
17:57 <Ysjoelfir> Ampera should just give +o to me. XD
18:33 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> +o according to news has more "suscespility" to covid-19
18:47 <Ysjoelfir> dafak is suscespility
19:04 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> idk
19:09 <Ysjoelfir> great :D
19:10 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> https://www.sciencealert.com/paper-suggests-certain-blood-types-might-be-slightly-more-susceptible-to-covid-19
19:23 <Ysjoelfir> ooh
19:25 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> "susceptiblity"
19:27 Mode: (by ChanOP) +v Ysjoelfir
19:31 <T3sl4> happy? :P
19:31 <Ysjoelfir> susceptibility ^^
19:43 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> ok im not going to argue with u anymore
19:43 <Ysjoelfir> yay, I have a voice!
21:30 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> how i unignore the guest?
21:43 <Ysjoelfir> erm
21:46 <Ysjoelfir> no idea?
21:51 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> /unignore
21:52 <Ysjoelfir> i never ignored someone before
22:25 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i just ignored --help
22:27 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> xD
22:33 <Ysjoelfir> XD
22:42 <Ysjoelfir> poor --help^^
22:50 <Ysjoelfir> you will never get help again!
23:18 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> scary
23:45 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i cant find donate in fedevel academy
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25:52 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> does patreon support 1 time donate ?
26:19 <Ysjoelfir> usually yes
26:44 <Ysjoelfir> and if not: you can sign up, give your patreonage, and unsubscribe again
27:15 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> can u give patreonage of 1 year in 1 month ?
27:26 <Ysjoelfir> no.
27:49 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> so u sign up .. (subscribe / unsubscribe) 12 times?
27:49 <Ysjoelfir> but if you want you can give me your patreonage of 1 year, every month :)
28:17 <Ysjoelfir> well, that sounds like a pretty normal patreonage to me? it is billed every month, so...
28:30 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> the idea is that i dont want keep tracking
29:06 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i didnt get salary for 3 months
29:14 <Ysjoelfir> why that?
29:41 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> and i dont like to subscribe things .. dont feel comfortable no matter how much
29:50 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> company is fcked up ..
30:07 <Ysjoelfir> ah. ok, just like mine
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30:40 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i think urs have product timeline at least :P
30:45 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> and plan
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32:05 <Ysjoelfir> yes
32:12 <Ysjoelfir> but they fired me never the less
32:13 <Ysjoelfir> dickheads
33:53 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> did they
34:06 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i though contract finishes in 4 months?!
35:53 <Ysjoelfir> yes
35:56 <Ysjoelfir> well
35:59 <Ysjoelfir> it doesn't finish
36:03 <Ysjoelfir> I get fired in 4 months
36:12 <Ysjoelfir> or around that time
36:24 <Ysjoelfir> "when you are done with that project you are done", basically
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38:27 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> imho, they need spank
39:26 <Ysjoelfir> they will become exactly that. but not by me
39:49 <Ysjoelfir> all workmates I told about that are absolutely stunned and will go to the boss and ask him wtf he was thinking
40:12 <Ysjoelfir> well, actually HE wasn't thinking. it was our brilliant head of development who did the thinking
40:18 <Ysjoelfir> the boss wanted to keep me
40:33 <Ysjoelfir> but for some unknown reason, when head of dev says something, boss does that.
40:54 <Ysjoelfir> replace become with get >_> rookie mistake :D
42:11 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> wtf
48:04 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> the boss looked like pussy tbh
48:29 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> from this one situation .. i dont judge
01:31 <Ysjoelfir> he is
01:44 <Ysjoelfir> We all suspect that there is something behind that
01:52 <Ysjoelfir> the bos is such a kind, nice person
02:01 <Ysjoelfir> but he lets head of dev dictate what to do
03:53 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> boss = owner ?
04:44 <Ysjoelfir> yes
05:00 <Ysjoelfir> but head of dev is... erm... financial/law terms... one sec
05:17 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> dev-ck head = oldest employee ?
05:36 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> or friend or some type of "consulting"
05:50 <Ysjoelfir> no. but he is (according to dict.cc) the "procurator"
06:27 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> knowledge?
06:37 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> technical knowledge ?
06:38 <Ysjoelfir> another word it suggests is "proxy" :D like, he has the right to sign contracts for the business and owns part of it.
06:44 <Ysjoelfir> yes, very much of that
07:06 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> agh
07:26 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> fk hm
08:01 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> last day go and cough at him and say i wish it catches u as well
08:07 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> xD
08:10 <Ysjoelfir> xD
09:46 <K> hello
10:01 <Ysjoelfir> nah. on the last day I will tell the boss: You always say that you want to be seen as a good boss, that understands his employees. You absolutely are that. But you also want to be seen as someone that defends his position and who is strong. You will never be that, until you stand up and finally say something against head of dev
13:29 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> hello there, K!
14:02 <K> rights to sign contracts seem odd to me if he is not the owner
14:13 <K> like majority owner
15:29 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> K, doesnt owner have right of bypass everything?
15:50 <Ysjoelfir> Hello K
16:17 <K> dunno, maybe it workds differently in .de
16:53 <Ysjoelfir> well, we are an GmbH. "Gemeinschaft mit beschränkter Haftung" - more or less a LLC.
17:39 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> i though because he is kind he listens or obbeys to less bossy people .. not legal stuff
18:08 <Ysjoelfir> so there are more than only one person "owning" the company. sure, the boss is the one who build it up, but head of dev invested in it and has gained some rights in that matter
19:42 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> oh right,, we have lots of companies that are family companies .. so one big boss and other bosses that arent owners ..
19:55 <hsn_no_PDN_knowledge> ofc somtimes other bosses are family = owners as well
20:05 <K> well, signing contracts is a big thing
20:16 <K> letting one who does not own majority part is a big risk
20:45 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
20:53 <K> sign shitty contracts, company looses a lot of money, buy out majority owner - profit
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25:34 <Ysjoelfir> XD
25:36 <Ysjoelfir> poor hsn
25:49 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> poor indeed
27:55 <Ysjoelfir> how big is your dept?
28:01 <Ysjoelfir> debt?
28:04 <Ysjoelfir> lack of money.
29:51 <rust_collector> mornings
30:03 <Ysjoelfir> hello rust_collector
30:33 <rust_collector> hey number 6
30:48 <Ysjoelfir> 5
31:05 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> hello there, rust_collector!
31:32 <rust_collector> hi 3
31:47 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> my dept is 3 person : me, 1 mechanical boss, 1 mechatronic guy
32:13 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> me (newbie here) is considered knowledgeable in the dept !!!
32:44 <rust_collector> you know all the best fast food joints
33:08 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> fast food joints?
33:26 <rust_collector> yes
33:31 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> Ysjoelfir (tinkertubes.eu) not working
34:00 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> these is no best in that thing
34:05 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> all are bad :P
34:33 <rust_collector> do you people only have slow food?
34:53 <Ysjoelfir> that's true hsn_no_business_knwldge. It's not in debug mode right now as I was working on it yesterday
35:14 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> we have fast (unfortonatelly)
35:36 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> in fact the major business here is food (resturants)
35:48 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> so all kind of food
35:59 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> no pigs
36:08 <rust_collector> and no one does it properly?
36:20 <rust_collector> aaah, pig
36:21 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> well i love burgers
36:37 <rust_collector> but...
36:48 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> but i hate (mac, chicken guy kfc?, etc)
37:17 <rust_collector> yeah. but there has to be some regular fast food places there?
37:20 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> is that "fast food" or "junk food"
37:34 <rust_collector> I am not sure if it is any kind of food
38:23 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> Ysjoelfir u have patreon?
38:54 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but I never publicly announced it since I didn't make any new videos to this point
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38:59 <Ysjoelfir> so why should the people pay me?^^
39:07 <Lemon> elo
39:48 <rust_collector> yes
40:28 <rust_collector> bto, or maybe... boc
40:41 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> elo bois
40:49 <Ysjoelfir> hello Lartza
40:52 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> Ysjeolfir , so u make new videos ? :P
40:55 <Ysjoelfir> hello Lemon i meant
41:05 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> isnt that what all patreon says?
41:05 <Ysjoelfir> Maybe I will make new ones someday
41:22 <Lartza> :,(
41:27 <Lartza> :P
41:34 <rust_collector> hello, Lartza !!!
41:35 <Ysjoelfir> yes, but that's not what I do. It motivates me, sure, but people shouldn't pay me because they "have to"
41:36 <Ysjoelfir> xD
41:40 <Ysjoelfir> hello Lartza! :)
41:49 <Lartza> Hi :D
41:55 <Ysjoelfir> Nice to meet you!
41:56 <rust_collector> WHEEE! he is here!
42:10 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> they support because they want to "motivate you" not "have to"
42:49 <Ysjoelfir> well, they can if they want to
43:27 <Lartza> I shouldn't be but indeed I am. Procrastination \o/
44:09 <rust_collector> GO GO GO!!! wait. I should find a different word
44:34 <rust_collector> wait wait wait does not sound right either, but is more correct
47:08 <Lartza> I'm sure we'll figure out a chant, when we get around to it ;)
47:14 <Lartza> Maybe tomorrow
47:28 <rust_collector> eeh
47:37 <rust_collector> probably next week
48:41 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVfTYUN9lsM
49:59 <rust_collector> ok mr efficient
53:13 <Ysjoelfir> :)
53:21 <Lemon> so the guy from who I bought the second probe (on ebay) dont want to send it
53:28 <Ysjoelfir> wut
53:28 <Lemon> 'because of quarantaine'
53:28 <Ysjoelfir> why
53:33 <Ysjoelfir> no
53:33 <Lemon> hes in france
53:36 <Ysjoelfir> because he is a dickhead
53:41 <Lemon> but still, I ot today something from france
53:44 <Lemon> without any issues
57:33 <Lartza> Why would the quarantine be their issue
57:42 <Lartza> And I mean if it gets caught up in mail because of the quarantine so what
57:57 <Lartza> Or I mean I guess if they don't want to go to the post office...
57:57 <rust_collector> yeah, well, it won't
58:17 <Lemon> no postal services work
58:21 <Lemon> he just wont move his damn ass
58:39 <Lartza> First the french refuse to stay inside and then... ;P
58:52 <Lemon> frenchies are dumb, I keep saying it
58:53 <rust_collector> heh, report the guy, and see if anything happens
01:39 <Lemon> well I dont want my money back, I want the fucking probe
01:48 <Lemon> they are not that easy to get especially outside china
02:03 <rust_collector> I didn't say anything about your money
03:01 <Lemon> yeah but you know usually if you report someone on ebay, you win and get a refund
03:08 <Lemon> I prefer to make the mofo move his ass
03:12 <Lemon> he will, eventually
03:25 <Lemon> I got a 3db attenuator today, 2 days or less to come here from france
03:32 <rust_collector> if the guy is refusing to ship stuff you paid for, he should have some kind of reaction from the bonbonclone site? oh ebay
03:52 <Lemon> ho leboncoin... basically, you can do whatever the fuck you want on that website
03:57 <Lemon> you can scam people, no problem
04:09 <Lemon> you can report peeps that are known scammers, the website wont do shit
04:22 <rust_collector> thanks for the tip
04:26 <Lemon> thats why I pay with paypal everytime
04:38 <Lemon> only for items like instruments etc where people arent likely to scam me
04:43 <Lemon> but for a phone or laptop ? ho damn no
04:44 * rust_collector learns broken french
05:55 <Lemon> im waiting on my hp 5345a to show me how accurate my siglent gen is
05:59 <Lemon> with a gate time of 1000s
06:44 <rust_collector> mmh, word word blah blah lalala word word
07:32 <Lemon> the counter would benefit from a quieter fan
07:38 <Lemon> well, my head would benefit from it
13:15 <Ysjoelfir> my head would benefit from less thinking about my future :X
13:33 * Ysjoelfir has headache since tuesday
13:40 <rust_collector> your what?
13:50 <Ysjoelfir> exactly
14:15 <rust_collector> nah, that is on hold, until... later
14:26 <K> https://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/in-germany-they-are-preparing-for-the-crisis-by-stocking-up-with-sausage-and-cheese-thats-the-wurst-kase-scenario.jpg
14:40 <Ysjoelfir> :P
16:00 <K> Ysjoelfir, do you foresee "i have no monies to eat for" in immediate future as a real possibility?
17:20 <Ysjoelfir> We already were there in january. I had to reduce my pay for the time I wrote on my bachelors thesis, so no we are around 3000€ negative.
17:42 <K> shit.
17:54 <Ysjoelfir> I mean, we can "live", like, survive
18:14 <Ysjoelfir> but the negative tends to get more negative because the bank want's their cut, understandably
20:02 <rust_collector> but, thanks!
20:16 <rust_collector> you made me ok with being uneducated again
20:17 <Ysjoelfir> :P
21:06 <Ysjoelfir> well.. your country isn't in debts, so...
21:30 <rust_collector> Ok, in theory I have an education, but I think I had to pay for my books, and that was it
21:37 <Ysjoelfir> xD
21:58 <rust_collector> and I still have them
22:10 <rust_collector> total garbage
30:33 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> ok i think im going to make big miss here
30:35 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> https://snipboard.io/MZLuBX.jpg
31:00 <Ysjoelfir> looks pretty easy :)
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31:31 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> ?
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31:45 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> woot?
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31:55 <rust_collector> 4nDNafM0R+EDKjERz078KvWGTKNYk8fYAADsFAA9KrzNNFGLVheL8jk3K6Mr3r3TsWbVp7QuFmttnzNmm6jZbg4aRqY5zQWxuvfui4+GR3W2uYhoFwLMarMEyG0BmBwra7+AtXJDoGDQSDwJAgN2aNMwgxpXWsAUQ2rRS1ab4vDUi43LW4zE8NJ49CKOPlw057Al4k9+OjPvs+24zOlsAtIOfoAOH8/0rS7URlIkfdPMdj+hprD4C1aEW7aoP7QBTp0rBLInO0bY42o0xYAMo+qkQdOIPEEcxQp93bFo/DnToxkD3qW+0FDBLg1jytyaOvcaU88sumo/nGnwyUqEShyZnvxssWD5A3hsAycSFJJz2wfr7d6qqWCCO/LpWq702Hu4V7SrLShTsQZJHtI9/asrxOFfirGQT8/Tl/rW3HPaJknCpH
32:01 <rust_collector> 4rDjqeRqekhqFWtpuCC2sU/f2tJkCjdgppBbe1x4Sa66VY90sagww8wkVmuJxTPxmpWGsMV0JA9amtqmXv9+yNQu7ZWVLMIFHF2/hAo8y61l27u7F3GuVW5lCjUmT9Khbx7BuYS74TNm0kETQ/GvTDeZv0BtlWfEuBJiedWbZl23gr03RnEAg/6VWcds+5h2GbQ8QVNRrl1m4kn1o+WZ+i4b0b0WcRAtpljmY/SqjiLmY00Fr3LV1RTbZ1eU5btE1yKZgc+lQon7BsZ7wQmJ4ep4Ct3wOGXA2Amhf7xnUnn7TWXbm7otdfPcDKFytJBGX7wWZ+KIMxpWm3ovt5QTA1LRA7k1nzy9I1YV+wfitsNOise0/sKH4jFXmKrljMdJ5acY7Udu20TkO3eozXg93sigD1OrfkKyS4RrxpORIwFoIIGp5n
32:01 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> rusty !!
32:06 <rust_collector> u5f6VCtvrXrtw9awt8m5x4JExpXoevLOprjbg9qkgY9cHr3I1p2xdrwrIpKiKr+Ceh83OI6UlnqOz+b2r1nq7plx6Ie01zWz1U5gekcfpNMYDFuNQfWnr5lH7g0zhLIIkU+FmfLVhFcUCysVGhmsg3zuCzjL6WwoUsDoOGZVY69ZJ+da8luFql75bJX/niylwt8SkNLNMAgqQZrd48vTMWdOrRm9vFCCCKn4QK0eWfSp28uzLNuxbfwjYvMdEzlsyRq2VtU1jj1ov9m+EVg5YAkGtSSfRmtp0wdh9nBjov0r07OYHQGKvdxAp0UfKi2zsPh2WbmUHuYq1ENyVGbbEx9zDXsyZl5GBxontDGpefPcBZupFaPb2Rg20AUn1qBe2DaDGE0q20gUYkyX8VcCauxMAf7UQxe6N6w6DEDKG5gz7VHwON
32:06 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> dont hack us
32:11 <rust_collector> 1vBdQZE1O3l3zv4zJmVVCGYHM96Hnor7Rjau7FxPNbUsnPUTQe7hioBNWXZ+3MRcQ21CxHTUe9QXwrXTlgSKHZrstxT6BNi33qz7g7OS5jkzwVRHeD94qAAP/KfaoN7ZjJbzkDSp+4+GvXsQty0uiHzHlBGo9xNU5bLgijTVmpbvbSF9HMAFbjqynpPlPyqZi8SqLlUADoKH4XD+GW8sFuMc+9Ju2p5msc5fo2RX7BdzFEvmPsP1qNs6/DXP8wPtEfoafxNmCahLbyksOPCOutLkrQ2MqYbD869vPKmgdvFzOUzBgjoal2GZuwrPOBpjksJ4XFgwZ7HsannEAiqzj93LpGfDXSr9CZVucMP1qm4zF7RRslw5YMMFAze1MhhWTlMG5J0kanexiKJLAepig+O3sw9oEm4Cfwrq3yFV3AbIssvivf
32:16 <rust_collector> fMxLA9Mp1BqLg9gNibxKrEn2VRwk9aZHx4rlhvHOrLDsDaN7FM1zLkSYUc8o5k9eNH4POnMPhEsW1tqIAEUP21jjatkjVj8I/M+1Z390+Be2qI+0MTqEU8DJPccqVh75noaAbMxGfQnXnPHXj9aN4a8B5TqO/Ee9OSpUIb25C1vGQDpUnCWfEUjhmBAI+6x4H6/nUMGQAPepFliGtQYyuGPdQDI+cUcHyDJcGL7yYFhiHDsS2bWTmg9CfaKtX2aWyouBhBBM1O3lwiJfuXCAS5BUGDqfiPpMU3unjQhuNd0ZmJPyAj6V04uznyjTDWJJkxT2EwmfUip2Ex2BZSWuJm7sB9Khf1hWfDIKzoaOi1L9Hl8tYcFfrTj7dvHiF+VDNrbY4F/pXJczAEUDgg1Iy3E7TdlymNKgEk0Y2TsFr7xmCjmx0A
32:21 <rust_collector> 7NAyg28UCY1DJCz2ZSfyqWhXL6KVs/E3FPkMGlPiLqMWzEE8aK7c3euYKM4OvAjVW7A9e3GgV+6zcqlJlWwtsUXcVdWw1whGPmPQDia2HDNZw1pbFgAW1/8jzYnmSayv7Pdl+NiGLtkRVMtIHHgBPPStWtWbSZQQW6ayO2nKs+XukacS9sKYFlCyfrTyXUYxpUe8QF5KOmlANobSI8tsye1IboelY7vCVVoB/ehFoGTAzE8ByHdjwFJXZzuc1xyZ5A/maHb1rfsWPEw1zJlPmgKfLwkEqSCO1KjJSnQcoOMLGN6cVZwaIuabp8xj4jrJLepPyoVgd6LgXxGtMbUxm5jv0iqZiLrFiWYuWPmLaknmZOs960/cy0n9LaKgMrDJcU6gtmMkg99a1zxwiuTNjnKT4COyt5FEayp68R+9WK4LGIALqr
32:28 <rust_collector> +YqtXNh4ZifDYoQWBUHMAwEhddR9eNRbuzb9qTauAwoMaiTzUd6xvHT4ZuhkrkttvY+FXhbX3JP5mpX9RbtiFCr2AiqT4uMGadcoB8pXWeQkDXtU3C2LupJWYBlnOsn4dAdRQShN9sY8yYfe7mMmqZiL7YnE3QbZ8K15AxGimYZs3KTx7AVavCAgMWaSBABUGdILaxqRrScdhbps3ERbYYBjaCkwxy6NckeUkyeY07mHYcTXJmy5F0Yrh9r3bLHK2aCQCdZg6HqalXN68UWD5gI+6FGX3nX60JvoQWBBBUwQeII0YHvXZJrofHF+jn7tezeNlW0ZFdS0MobUg8RPSii4f+6q3uhiJwljr4aj5CP0o6t2uK5uMmjrqClFMrm19nXzfztblSDLiGARQYX3k8ulZxcxTHMrTp2rcFxFQNqbEwuJ1u
32:30 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> what is dis ?
32:33 <rust_collector> fjXyv/3rBPvW3H5i/uRkyeK30YK9wzRGzt+8AFDmKum2vswJ82Gvz/Ze0PoLij8x71RNqbDxOGbLetMhPAnVW6ZXHlPzrbDLGf4sxyxSh2jsTj3f4mJ9TT+F206iM7RQhwQYOhHLpSaMA1jdfYSNhbMXPMyBm4cX80EdgQParJsHYgs3Q9xsyD8EyO7LzHpr2qp43ZrWlz2WMLxUch1HbtRDYu3GcBWOo6cxSFJS5NLTjwy87w4GxfUqALtlhrz9GRh04g8eNY1vPu/cwb/jst8Dxw/tfo35/StMweMKHMNUOrKNfV1H4uo58ePGZjsNbu2ypAe041HEQeBHbuOBq9qfJKtcGS7BxjIwyAkSucAa/EFH/sPnWm4S27ElkKwAY4aek1nu2d3rmz38a22e0DIkeZOXm5GJOunLTpdtlbwLft+Ozh
32:37 <rust_collector> 5nEZWnhI015UOSKfJISa4HXxRv3MqKQV4s3AfzpUnDbNS3J4seJ/nAVIt4m04m0ysP7SDr3iva5uWdukdDHDgZuL0qtb3YwJh7k81I+YgfnVouGBWUfaLtPNd8JTourevKr8bHtNFeRk0gVW8PhIrRvsltPca8DItymnIOQ2ZgeoAXSqHhh5RVi3f3oOBs3Bbt5rzvKu0FLa5QpOXiz6Htr7HsSVnJTpmrbThQLSgMxbzA8EWcwJK8HJ+hM8qn4HZK6liSpCgDQZcoMsDxObjroI051V9jYoX8NbuzJYAueJzffOvOZqyYnGEWgg0ZlgwZhDMn1PAR61jWSMlJyXRrcGnFR9jeCwC3rIdDDMQZYFgoD+ZcgI4qCJPAwYipN7CW7d60Cgh8wmSQriCvH3HyqLsi+bbZRwOo/Ufr7UvbLh3joOHQ
32:43 <rust_collector> 5A+9DvBYt0kFpN5NWyTe2TbW26hRlYuT6uSW4nTUzppVPt742cNf8A6bEzlyr/AIo1iZgXV4mBHmHI6jiTYztcJafxWjKjENyaJOunHl/IGCbRxbXrr3DxYz7cAPYACnwayNST4E5E4LV9h/7RMHbXFeNadHt4hc4KMCpYHK8QeflPuaqinT0pZXUn0pDjU1p6M/Zp+4uMBwqDpmH/AJGrSl2st3GxxDPanX4lB4E8xPLl9avVrFsoBdSAeBPD5jnXI8jBJSbR1MGZapB4PTgehFvGjrT6YmsujNGyYTF2uvFbiFHVXRhBVgCD6g1BF8V5exYRSSY04nhVx2vgqVVyVLae61jFBrat4N9GK2XY/wCFeWXOS633WByqG76zxGdY/Z9yxca1eRrdxDDKw1B/UdCNDWy4Ha2HuJkiRznjLR5us/zl
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32:55 <rust_collector> lw7XHMTGVeevCe/Ex/BkytBM9/nQ+Lj1Qfkz2ZNtPFdeNNIZApbHWthkLv8AZltXzPhm7un5OPyPzrQ/2568NBxrCtl4w2b6XV4qZ9RzHuJHvW3Ya+LiK6mVYAj0IkVyfNg4y2XT/wCnT8Se0afoeP5GR6jgRXjMdSTJJkk85rjSGaBWK3VGylZT/tG2rktCyp81zj2QcfmYHzrO7a0R3j2h/UYm4/3Zyr/lXQfMyfeoC13PHx/HjS9nG8jJvNsTdGlMXzp8qfucKauLp9aeJH9gYoWsTbZtFzQ3ZToT7TPtW3YW1KFZBHHsTykczEj2rAA3Hv8A71tOycaFwtm4YV2VSB1AAk68OZpUxsCub0s9hptnKJjhoZ4GPY0Iw+9lxdGAIHMGPpVi30IuWQ4g5iOg5STHv9aoD2hwIq44IzVtFuck+G
33:00 <rust_collector> vvbjzBh7UJ2zvHcxBhWyp+HmfU/pVfukDhTuCE8AJDAy0ZYHIjnrVLx4QdoqWeclTYSwOOZYBB4yCCde3zir9sjFPfUYjFKSmtuzbUHUKQblyPveaBPtWf27aXbxN1hZtyT/hozKNdFQcdddTWmYDar4W1buvbAuugW1YcwLGFQkIWUfC7tr3g9KJr2BF80Zk+KWvFxY71BmvK0f0mMH5WFbd4N09D+1em+9v4IUdVAB9J4g+lCqft3iYUnTqeVLl4uvMWEsl9ll2FtgqRrWibH2kGAgzPKsXtXwDqxnsJ/I0QxO8bonh2QbcrldyxLtPEKJi3IMGJPcVneO+BkclFg3yxFq9fuZSCqALOk6SDcQg+dQxKsvYEUvcbYItN/U3NSoORInLPM9407TVe2PhWuW7lwkC1ZAcyOLaAIvUnp2Harxsj
33:05 <rust_collector> EvdslWAyg3UDiVkE5jw7zzqpqSVRJFpvZld332s7lix5EKoOizpJ71QGq47wYbObnXiACD3EEe1U2aLEqRU3bHbVynrbyahinUemi6Hy4DVpH2dbXzI2HY6p5k7oTqPZj9RWYManbG2o2HupdU6qeHUHRlPYj9OlJz4/kg4/6G4MnxzTN0Y1Xd9dreBhyAYd/KvUT8R9hP0orh9oJdtLcQyrAEfsehFZdvrtPx8QQD5LflHr94/PT2rl+Lh2yU/R0fIy6wte+gMtLDVHUV41yu2cgXcemLt2RFeM9Nk1RaR1apsQW7mGsB1OcWlUFSPhK9zyFZVV+sXvDtIAwPlAnmsASINLydDIBbeVA1pcuqKxX0Mc+x5eh6VTNsuiqAPij5AVbcOsYTEXbh0lQJ/HJJA9qz3GXMzE9arFs3d8Em0ME09g2W
33:06 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> Ysjoelfir u have voice can u silience him ? xD
33:10 <rust_collector> HSo9TtnYBnzPAhBmMyBExMxESQNYGopzFhWxfAZWImDKoB8TRpJmQAQNdY5Vct2ku37lxwpv4hhLzOW2kgKi6wfunjoMtU7C4ZyQq2izMQAuhZp/Aokn2FWa3jr2EhDYxGHXKPM0I11jqT5h8PGAJ79KB9ES5KFXV7NeV0rF0dSbpgUqkmhlyiI9wd5c6hxKSJExI56irXvLg8GuGsXMNBOUC8JMhzESDw1zcNIjvVKbQ0WXM6ZAQMxAk8tRGvSawSTscmkiFiL1xVAzEWyZCzoD3FFthbRdJCFVzwCxVTl1+IMwJUamYobiME9v/AJilh1UyPmKjW7xGgOlQplqtoXcxJgxmAJMD73Utw079qlvurlQkqNJIjhrw4jSpn2f7WuAlWZnSBlUt5BEyIIMcuH+taBbx1q6oAicuqxBIOg9tfepRV
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33:37 <rust_collector> Ul66uqn0Wh7C/EvrR3eIx4Uf/mPyrq6sM/yQ6P4sh4dAbJJGuYVMwiDMNOVdXUvL0wsf5I7aCDKdKrNzj711dUwdF5exdcK9rqeJJOzxLietXK2IFeV1YvK7Rr8bpiqYxQ8p9K6urOjTLopd/iabFdXV1UctnlJaurqsgQ2GPMfSiV9jXV1LkEhnLTyoOldXUmTHxJKIOlevbGuldXUuPYUuh9RC6fzSq7tFyWMnnXV1bfH/ACMuX0f/2Q==
33:41 <rust_collector> wow!
33:43 <rust_collector> eeeh
33:45 <rust_collector> well, you know
33:47 <rust_collector> eeh, why not?
33:49 <rust_collector> data:image/jpeg;base64
33:51 <rust_collector> it says
33:52 <Lartza> base64 encoded image from the looks of it
33:55 <rust_collector> so I guess that is what it is
34:04 <Lartza> I'm not gonna decode that to see the image lol
34:07 <rust_collector> mmhmmm
34:16 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> me too .. + it looks small
34:28 <rust_collector> how big do you want it?
34:39 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> what is it i want not here
35:45 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> well it looks like 200byte image .. small
35:50 <rust_collector> so, what is this miss you are trying to get done?
36:20 * Ampera walks into chat
36:23 * Ampera notices rust_collector 
36:24 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> just a phy magnatic .. schematic not complete but im just looking at it
36:25 * Ampera walks out
36:34 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> phy + magnatic
36:56 <K> that's a paddlin!
37:07 <Ampera> damn straight K
38:06 <rust_collector> heeey! I notice you too, Ampera
38:30 <K> https://media0.giphy.com/media/fUSLydDd9kCwo/giphy.gif
38:31 <Lemon> damn the hp counter shows much more digits after the coma than I thought
38:42 <rust_collector> crap!
38:48 <Lemon> with a 20khz sinewave from the siglent it shows 20.00000053 Khz
39:19 <K> that is pretty good, eh?
39:23 <rust_collector> I told you, put a piece of tape over the last 5 digits
39:28 <Lemon> thats really impressive
39:37 <Lemon> lets try 100s gate time
39:52 <Lemon> I mean the siglent is supposed to be down to 1mhz
39:56 <Lemon> so its bang on
40:13 <Lemon> I really love that arb gen
40:24 <Lemon> and my new scope too, I got to play with it
40:51 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> what is paddlin
40:52 <Lemon> so with 100s
41:09 <Lemon> 20000.000281 hz
41:42 <Lemon> down to 1uHz
41:46 <Lemon> so kewllll
41:54 <Lemon> I'd like to find a plugin, for the counter
41:58 <Lemon> but they are rare
44:31 <Lemon> but yeah the siglent is really accurate, thats dope
44:35 <Lemon> I need to play with the pc software a bit
48:18 <rust_collector> ok, see you some time
48:29 <Lemon> hooo you are leaving ?
48:49 <rust_collector> no, but you are going into software development or something
49:07 <Lemon> no ? I just want to make my own arbitrary waveforms :>
49:15 <Lemon> its like, connect-the-dots game
51:11 <Lemon> basically what I want is to connect the counter, fluke dmm, scope, siglent gen and maybe another dmm with gpib (if I find one with adecent price in the future) to my computer, to learn how to use labview, and have fun with it
51:31 <Lemon> also get a gpsdo ref, to connect it to the counter, scope and gen
53:28 <rust_collector> awesome idea!
53:46 <Lemon> :D
54:15 <rust_collector> yes, it is a lie, but as long as it keeps you happy
54:22 <Lemon> it shouldnt cost too much, I need like 3 or 4 stackable gpib cables that are like 10-12 bucks each, and one gpib/usb cable, which is 70 euros
54:30 <Lemon> yeah im happy !
54:34 <Lemon> I love my little lab
54:42 <Lemon> Im learning a lot of things !
55:23 <rust_collector> I sort of understand. Hobby machinists tend to make mostly machine tools
55:28 <Lemon> im a bit sad that my attenuators/adapters/loads and the nice metrix lab supply are blocked in a hangar for a month or so
55:44 <rust_collector> the blue one?
55:47 <rust_collector> and why?
55:48 <Lemon> yeah
55:59 <Lemon> because mondial relay stopped their service
56:02 <Lemon> because of the virus...
56:10 <rust_collector> eeh, okaayy
56:10 <Lemon> thats dumb, every other postal compagny still works
56:13 <rust_collector> yes
56:18 <Lemon> and both parcels are near my area gahhh
57:11 <Lemon> I love lab suppllies, idk why
57:15 <Lemon> you like them too I think
57:40 <rust_collector> yes, I thin it is just that they power things, and there is something about that
57:44 <Lemon> the metrix one was a dope deal, its in really nice condition, 50v/2a max, which is higher than my current supplies (32v max usually)
57:47 <Lemon> for 34 euros delivered
58:06 <Lemon> yeah I think its one of the most important things in a lab
58:09 <Lemon> if not the most important
58:15 <Lemon> that, a scope and a dmm
58:35 <rust_collector> dmm, screwdriver....
58:36 <Lemon> then a waveform gen, a counter, and hmmmm a lcr meter i'd say
58:43 <Lemon> yeah ofc tools too
58:52 <Lemon> a good side cutter
58:56 <Lemon> and needlenose pliers
59:15 <Lemon> I love the little 9v one
59:19 <Lemon> I cleaned it, it looks nice now
59:51 <Lemon> the topward triple output was a really dope deal too, for 80 euros
00:00 <Lemon> honestly most of the pieces I got were dope deals
10:05 <rust_collector> sorry, I was taking apart a keyboard
10:17 <Lemon> dont be sorry !
10:21 <rust_collector> yeah, i think you did ok
10:35 <rust_collector> ok, sorry then
11:51 <rust_collector> remind me to never buy a "gaming" keyboard
11:58 <Lemon> haaa yes
12:01 <Lemon> which one is it ?
12:12 <Lemon> 3 years ago I bought a Anne Pro and never looked back
12:43 <rust_collector> cm storm "devastator" IIrc, it was sort of cheap-ish, so it is not just bad
12:57 <Lemon> ha yeah those are alrighty
13:50 <Lemon> the anne pro was 60 euros I think
13:52 <rust_collector> they have a ton of room for dustbunnies, hair, leftover dinner, maybe small cats
14:20 <Lemon> but really good quality, pbt keycaps, 60% formfactor, rgb leds (well, cant fight it), bluetooth as a bonus that I never use
14:26 <Lemon> gateron red switches, dope
15:12 <rust_collector> I actually like the standard hp office sort of keyboards. The only thing I want in a keyboard now, is that it is compact-ish, with no extra stuff
15:24 <rust_collector> oh, I want a us layout one
15:26 <Lemon> then get an anne pro ! you wont regret it
15:36 <Lemon> I use qwerty too
15:41 <Lemon> as I rarely type in french
15:59 <rust_collector> right, I have a keyboard with æø, and å on it...
16:00 <Lemon> 60% is so nice
16:08 <Lemon> small form factor, they look cute
17:45 <rust_collector> ok, all the keycaps are in a bowl of water, all the other stuff is drying on the table... we will see how many springs and screws it will be missing
18:02 <Lemon> luke warm water and some soap works really well
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19:55 <Ysjoelfir> I like my good old cherry I have at home
20:06 <Lemon> they are nice yeah
20:16 <Lemon> I tend to prefer gaterons over cherry mx now, but its pretty close
20:28 <Lemon> but again, the anne pro is insane for the price
20:35 <Ysjoelfir> uses MX blue. But i prefer the brown ones, which is why I switched over to a "Das Keyboard"
20:41 <Ysjoelfir> which is a heaping piece of shit
20:44 <Lemon> haaaa das kb !
20:52 <Lemon> a piece of shit ??
20:56 <Lemon> they are great usually no ?
20:56 <Ysjoelfir> yes
21:07 <Ysjoelfir> they look great, feel great, and offer great features
21:08 <Ysjoelfir> on paper
21:15 <rust_collector> I like these things I have, they have been ok, for the price
21:15 <Lemon> tons of peeps love them
21:37 <Lemon> https://gloimg.gbtcdn.com/soa/gb/pdm-product-pic/Electronic/2018/09/01/source-img/20180901173757_49581.jpg
21:40 <Lemon> heres the anne pro
22:27 <rust_collector> I hope you can snip off the fucking leds, without everything freaking out
22:31 <Ysjoelfir> it's now around a year old and the volume knob started to behave erratically around half a year ago. and the inbuilt USB hub isn't strong enough to provide my mouse and my 3D mouse with power at the same time which makes the keyboard to crap out
22:35 <Lemon> you can turn them off
22:41 <Ysjoelfir> so I have to pull it out of the USB3 port
22:49 <Lemon> ha yeah well
23:00 <Lemon> thats the problem of many usb hubs, kb etc
23:13 <Lemon> I swear by power supplied hubs now
23:31 <rust_collector> kid #1 has a keyboard that can not get into bios... because the buttons do not work until windows has booted to some point
23:37 <DHess_US> The keyboard I just bought has two USB plugs with one for the keyboard and one for the built in USB hub.
23:40 <Ysjoelfir> I had one of those too
23:51 <Ysjoelfir> (meaning what rust_collector said)
24:02 <Ysjoelfir> what DHess_US mentioned sounds like a realy great idea
24:17 <Ysjoelfir> I would love to have that in my das keyboard. would make it work at least
24:42 <DHess_US> Ysjoelfir, honestly it seemed dumb to me but apparently some USB HIDs draw too much power for a standard USB port.
24:51 <rust_collector> yes, it is if nothing else much more useful than rgb crap
25:21 <Ysjoelfir> I can't realy immagine that being the case, it looks more like a badly implemented hub in my keyboard
26:03 <Ysjoelfir> sticking the same three devices in a passive hub (pc - cable - hub - mouse, 3d mouse and keyboard) works
26:05 <rust_collector> I quite like the usb ports on the side of my screen.
26:20 <DHess_US> USB hubs are always suppose to support a minimum of 100mA per port. I guess with enough LEDs that can be exceeded.
27:09 <Ysjoelfir> agreed. I disabled all LEDs on my input devices. mechanically. by snipping them off.
27:23 <Lemon> http://www.miniware.com.cn/product/mdp-xp-digital-power-supply-set/ rust_collector look at this cutie !
27:25 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> https://snipboard.io/eX8mjp.jpg crystal on edge = bad idea ?
27:26 <Ysjoelfir> However, I like my LED strips behind my monitors. they keep the strain on my eyes down
27:46 <Ysjoelfir> lemon - link doesn't work
27:56 <rust_collector> yes it does
27:57 <Lemon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRhUFAeJmDg
28:01 <rust_collector> just takes forever
28:04 <Ysjoelfir> wutt?
28:08 <Ysjoelfir> it says "no!"
28:08 <Lemon> second link in the description
28:14 <Lemon> or wwatch the video :>
28:22 <rust_collector> but,,,, yes, it is a pretty bad idea, unless you have a very specific need for that
28:30 <Ysjoelfir> oh now it does. first time opening the browser threw an error....
28:45 <rust_collector> heh, maybe it has something to do with all the nazi stuff they post there
28:56 <Lemon> its really cute
29:14 <rust_collector> yeah
29:26 <EEVBlog> New EEVBlog Tweet: Another Apollo astronaut gone. RIP #AlWorden https://t.co/O6dJAbgSlR
29:43 <Ysjoelfir> hsn - why should it be bad?
30:07 <Ysjoelfir> I think the designator is way worse than the position :D
30:38 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> Ysjoelfir somthing related to EMC .. let me find the topic
30:57 <Lemon> what is a source meter exactly ?
31:04 <Ysjoelfir> yes, please :) I don't know that much about EMC, so it will be very interesting
32:08 <Ysjoelfir> a sourcemeter/SMU is basically a power supply that is combined with a multimeter. to say it VERY simple. @lemon
32:18 <Lemon> ho ok thats what I thought
32:26 <Lemon> thanks !
33:04 * Ysjoelfir mumbles into his beard: should I enlight him how great SMUs are and what can be done, or would that result in a buying spree of yet unknown size?
33:21 <coppice_> Its a stupid name. It basically means a source and a meter, but that's not obvious at all
33:23 <Lemon> haha they are expensive anyway :>
33:40 <Lemon> my next purchase is a gpsdo module and gpib/usb cables
35:30 <rust_collector> rock n roll gas station WHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
35:34 <rust_collector> hehe
36:07 <Ysjoelfir> Oh, did the prices up there finally drop, too? :D
36:24 <rust_collector> nah, they have been down for a while now
36:34 <rust_collector> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_kR54Y1i5w
37:22 <Ysjoelfir> I refueled the volvo from reserve to full for under 100€. I was happy. usually I have to pay around 110
37:40 <Ysjoelfir> nice song :D
37:56 <rust_collector> my corolla has a very small tank, so it feels cheap
38:34 <rust_collector> I wonder what happened that made them write that song
39:14 <Ysjoelfir> Recently I noticed a signifficant increase in gas consumption on the volvo. it rose from around 9 liters last summer to over 12 at the moment. Not sure if I just drive like an idiot or if I finally should clean the intake manifold and all that is connected to that
39:27 <Ysjoelfir> That would be very interesting to know, indeed
39:59 <rust_collector> plugs and wires? I guess that thing still has a distributor?
40:18 <rust_collector> if so, then cap and rotor
41:20 <rust_collector> if you take the snow chains off, that helps a bit
43:05 <Lemon> on my 850 t5, with 100 euros of fuel I could drive 300 km :>
45:35 <Lemon> 107 euros total for 3 gpib stackable cables and a gpib/usb agilent cable
45:43 <Lemon> thats correct honestly
46:42 <coppice_> Ysjoelfir: 110 euros seems a lot to fill a car. your fuel prices must be even worse than ours
47:10 <Ysjoelfir> distributor is new. as in... half a year now. plugs/wires too. snow chains are NaN
48:05 <Ysjoelfir> coppice_ - around 1,489€ before corona
49:05 <rust_collector> you replaced the distributor?
49:16 <Ysjoelfir> cap and rotor
49:19 <rust_collector> ok
49:27 <Ysjoelfir> https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/1012809.html
49:52 <rust_collector> I am not sure if those have the advance mechanism, or if they just do that in the ecu?
50:29 <coppice_> even my 1980s volvo used the ECU to control advance
50:40 <Ysjoelfir> if it has, you can't realy adjust it - you can't reach that damn distributor with anything more than a 6cm long flathead screwdriver ;)
50:47 <Ysjoelfir> yes, they do it in the Jetronic
52:06 <rust_collector> l-letronic, lh-jetronic, k-jetronic... many jetronics out there. Well, I was not thinking about adjusting, but making sure it was nice and free, if it had the advance stuff
52:38 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> Ysjoelfir, im not sure if i saw it or not now bcz i cant find it .. i feel i saw it before .. or i did see somthing like (dont route clock near edge of board)
52:42 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> http://www.hottconsultants.com/techtips/maxemission.html ^^
53:14 <rust_collector> hmm, tire pressure ok? bearings good, and no dragging brakes?
53:29 <Ysjoelfir> yes, yes, I hope.
53:39 <K> have you gained weight recently?
53:42 <rust_collector> it will only burn a little bit
54:06 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> K, people started to ask me if im pregnant :)
54:36 <K> "look, it's gonna be a cold winter, hsns are fattening up!"
54:49 <rust_collector> hsn_no_business_knwldge, do you have extreme mood swings?
55:05 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> ramadan is close = 30 days fasting ..
55:21 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> rust_collector .. yes ,, but thats "men period"
55:32 <rust_collector> all fast food for 30 days. perfect
56:24 <hsn_no_business_knwldge> :P
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