// #d&d — 2015-01-28
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00:03:38 <Avatar> we were all talking about it this morning when you weren't here
00:04:06 <Mekkis> Ah
00:04:35 <Mekkis> Seems dumb. Really dumb.
00:05:18 <Avatar> I don't see the appeal of it
00:05:32 <Avatar> will be an interesting experiment I guess
00:05:43 <Mekkis> I'm actually worried about what it will do to the community here.
00:05:50 <Avatar> what do you predict
00:06:29 <Mekkis> The VC/VL will be running heaps of early stuff core-only in order to get their characters up to 12.
00:06:44 <Mekkis> Probably dividing the player base yet again
00:08:13 <Mekkis> As I see it, it's just another token measure Paizo is doing in lieu of doing what they should do: release more scenarios.
00:14:42 <Avatar> that's funny, because stephen's asked the GMs to do exactly the opposite of that
00:27:41 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
00:34:23 <Brunius> Avatar: Why?
01:05:16 <Avatar> thx
01:05:35 <Avatar> no, from scratch
01:05:44 <Avatar> like what are you doing when you buy a spell and it goes straight into your spellbook
01:38:02 <steven> hey.
01:47:55 <Avatar> ya
01:48:44 <steven> hey
01:49:10 <steven> lasagna. Pretty good stuff.
01:51:19 <s_gmusic> Sorry, Avatar. for me, it's always "scribe" or "copy" when it comes to writing spells, whether in a scroll or spellbook. exception would be the spells you gain when you level up, which I handwaved as "You've learned enough to figure out how to get this kind of spell effect."
02:00:52 <Avatar> I have to find the rules for buying spellbook spells
02:11:03 <Avatar> I never realised how potent the slow spell is
02:11:14 <Avatar> I used it on the special and fucked up the paladin hardcore
02:11:27 <Avatar> it would've been nastier if I realised it was more than one target
02:11:53 <Avatar> half speed movement and only a move or standard shuts down any meleers
02:13:07 <s_gmusic> Slow sooooo good.
02:17:54 <Avatar> ah, I don't remember
02:17:59 <Avatar> there was a reason I asked
02:18:23 <Avatar> how often are you going to be around while you're doing uni
02:21:04 <Brunius> Should be a lot of the time?
02:27:50 <steven> word
02:27:59 <Avatar> cool
02:31:09 <Avatar> phil
02:31:14 <philderbeast> hey
02:34:32 <s_gmusic> Warmachine! http://i.imgur.com/cCo3hco.png
02:35:21 <philderbeast> so whats your thoughts on the core compaign
02:39:50 <Avatar> some people are excited about playing core only shiz and some people are worried it will split the community
02:46:28 <philderbeast> but what do you think.....
03:14:02 <steven> back!
03:15:13 <Darkkapow> :O
03:15:23 <Darkkapow> welcome back
03:24:39 <steven> so what up peoples.
03:33:56 <Darkkapow> not much here tired :( moved back home almost 2 weeks ago now, caring for my old man because he's not good
03:47:50 <steven> i hear ya mang.
04:13:23 <Avatar> who are you
04:13:32 <Avatar> have we met
04:38:16 <Darkkapow> :P
04:38:20 <Darkkapow> been awhile huh
04:57:39 <steven> so bored.
04:58:05 <steven> wish there was a core game going on.
05:34:17 <Darkkapow> I'll run a dark heresy game if people are interested XP
05:34:38 <Darkkapow> not today but in the upcoming future
05:38:32 <Avatar> does anyone remember off the top of your head when you apply later-level credit
05:38:47 <Avatar> is it when you hit the level of the pregen, or when you hit the level of the lowest subtier?
05:40:27 <Avatar> mate if you run a pathfinder society game I will be interested
05:40:44 <Avatar> you can't run among the trilogy anymore because you took 3 years to get here
05:41:11 <Brunius> level of the pregen isn't it
05:44:08 <Darkkapow> it's okay avatar i've already run it 3 times
05:44:36 <Darkkapow> plus people who ask like that get nothing
05:44:47 <Avatar> yep
05:44:48 <Avatar> cheers
05:48:24 <Avatar> what?
05:53:07 <Avatar> my wizard somehow hit level 4 without me noticing
05:53:24 <Brunius> GM credit, or just the middle of a con?
05:55:37 <Avatar> I just applied the blood under absalom credit to the character and it was already level 4
05:55:45 <Avatar> it has a scenario on it that I thought I hadn't played
06:13:24 <Avatar> oh look at this mekkis, my wizard actually has a focus listed in his inventory on his character sheet
06:13:46 <Avatar> I actually created a section so I would remember to add additional foci to it
06:13:54 <Avatar> I dont' even remember doing this!
06:14:31 <Avatar> the character has bought almost nothing, just some wrist sheathes, a wand, a haversack and a foci
06:44:45 <Avatar> maybe I will email lisa stevens
06:45:02 <Mekkis> Maybe you should send her a letter.
06:45:12 <Avatar> that's your biz
06:45:14 <Mekkis> :)
06:45:31 <Mekkis> how else are you supposed to get a signed chronicle sheet.
06:45:32 <Mekkis> hmm
06:45:37 <Avatar> obviously the chain of command at paizo really isn't working
06:45:49 <Mekkis> Next time I issue chronicle sheets, I'll sign it with my PGP key :P
06:46:44 <Steven> alright... crazy character theory time.
06:47:45 <Avatar> suicidal sylph wizard
06:52:00 <Mekkis> Steven, a character who can calculate the inverse logarithms over a finite domain
06:53:21 <Avatar> some of the alternate racial traits for sylphs actually seem pretty cool
06:53:53 <Avatar> though I'm not sure what bozo thought replacing electricity resistance 5 for sonic resistance 5 would ever be a worthy investment
06:54:04 <Mekkis> how about a Block Ciphermage
06:54:28 <Avatar> I don't know what that is
06:55:00 <Mekkis> In cryptography, a block cipher is a deterministic algorithm operating on fixed-length groups of bits, called blocks, with an unvarying transformation that is specified by a symmetric key.
07:07:35 <Steven> yeah or i could make a hydrogeologist character, know what im talking about, and bore the table until they fall asleep. The only difference between our character concepts is that i'd have a better grasp of what i am talking about.
07:07:57 <Steven> oooooooooooo.... or maybe i like kittens.
07:12:46 <Mekkis> Steven, not really. My diceless character likes talking about cryptography and block ciphers. It makes them confused.
07:13:50 <Steven> So you've played with nicer people who havent told you to your face how boring that shit is.
07:13:56 <Steven> cool.
07:13:58 <Avatar> kapow is gone again
07:14:01 <Avatar> he will be back in a year
07:14:27 <Mekkis> Confusion Curse (Ex): The shaman's command of lore can cause weaker minds to become mired in confusion.
07:14:51 <Darkkapow> no i am here
07:14:54 <Darkkapow> i was just ignoring you
07:15:16 <Darkkapow> /busy with other things
07:15:17 <Mekkis> The shaman chooses a single intelligent target within 30 feet. That creature must succeed at a Will saving throw or become confused for a number of rounds equal to the shaman's Charisma modifier (minimum 1).
07:15:50 <Avatar> nothing unusual !
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07:24:51 <Avatar> not really sure what to spend all this spare dosh on
07:25:02 <Avatar> I guess I should buy every foci on the books so I don't have to worry about them again
07:26:22 <Darkkapow> well i'm a full time carer now so kinda important
07:29:47 <Avatar> are you a parent
07:31:47 <steven> I need a name for my paladin.
07:31:59 <steven> sorry my Phantom.
07:32:28 <steven> Sir Tevalyn?
07:37:40 <Mekkis> Good idea, Avatar
07:45:23 <Mekkis> Avatar, FYI
07:45:25 <Mekkis> http://pastebin.com/7ghGasXi
07:45:34 <Mekkis> Spells with costly components
07:45:52 <Mekkis> !spell Blood Sentinel
07:46:07 <diebot> Mekkis, BLOOD SENTINEL transmutation ([]) alchemist 3, sorcerer/wizard 3 1 standard action Range: touch one animal sculpture Comp: V, S, M (a life-sized animal sculpture of a familiar made of clay, cloth, stone, or wood, plus mandrake root worth 25 gp) Duration: 10 minutes/level Save: none SR:no (harmless)Source: Advanced Class Guide
07:46:07 <diebot> After casting this spell, you pour a few drops of your blood and saliva into the mouth of the animal sculpture material component, temporarily giving it life. The animal is bonded to you as if it were a familiar, and it has the abilities of a familiar (use your caster level as your effective wizard level to determine its abilities), but it does not
07:46:07 <diebot> grant you the Alertness feat or the special ability of its animal type. If your blood sentinel is slain, you take 2 points of Intelligence drain and the blood sentinel's body becomes a destroyed statue. This spell has no effect if you already have a familiar or another blood sentinel.
07:46:32 <Mekkis> !spell Business Booms
07:46:33 <diebot> Mekkis, BUSINESS BOOMS enchantment ([]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3 1 standard action Range: touch one building Comp: V, S, M (promotional materials such as flyers and posters worth 10 gp) Duration: see text (D) Save: none SR:noSource: Quests and Campaigns
07:46:34 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/business_booms.html
07:50:27 <Avatar> nice
07:50:43 <Avatar> might put that on google drive
07:51:54 <Mekkis> Not really that much there
07:52:17 <Avatar> is it not a complete list
07:52:48 <Mekkis> it's complete. Might not have everything with a material component. But it has everything level 6 and lower with a focus
07:53:02 <Mekkis> !spell Malediction
07:53:03 <diebot> Mekkis, MALEDICTION necromancy ([death, evil]) sorcerer/wizard 3, witch 3 1 standard action Range: touch living creature touched Comp: V, S, F (onyx dust worth 500 gp) Duration: instantaneous/1 minute per HD of the target; see text Save: Will negates SR:yesSource: APG
07:53:03 <diebot> You utter a dire curse over the body of a dying creature, allowing you to consume its waning life force. Upon this spell, you touch a living creature that has -1 or fewer hit points. If the target fails its saving throw, it dies and you gain 1 hero point for every 5 Hit Dice possessed by the target (minimum 1, maximum 3). These hero points last for
07:53:03 <diebot> a number of minutes equal to the target's Hit Dice. Any hero points remaining when this spell ends are lost.
07:53:56 <Mekkis> Less than 4th level, there's only the pit
07:54:11 <Avatar> do any of you have an extra trait boon or a retraining boon to swap for an ifrit or a sylph
07:54:13 <Mekkis> !spell Stolen Light
07:54:14 <diebot> Mekkis, STOLEN LIGHT illusion (figment[]) bard 3, sorcerer/wizard 3 1 full round Range: touch transparent gem touched Comp: V, S, F (a gem worth at least 500 gp) Duration: permanent or 1 minute/level (see text) Save: Will negates (object) SR:yes (object)Source: Pathfinder Society Field Guide
07:54:15 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/stolen_light.html
07:54:29 <Mekkis> I do have an extra trait boon...
07:54:40 <Avatar> want a race?
07:54:55 <Avatar> there's other stuff on both boons as well I think
07:54:58 <Mekkis> not really. Want a Trained Eye?
07:55:06 <Avatar> what is a trained eye
07:55:32 <Mekkis> +2 to perception checks.
07:55:39 <Avatar> lol?
07:55:42 <Avatar> is that a boon
07:55:47 <Mekkis> no. Seriously.
07:56:02 <Avatar> I'll just buy a masterwork magnifying glass for 50gp I think
07:56:20 <Mekkis> +2 to All perception checks.
07:56:50 <Avatar> really not interested
07:57:16 <Avatar> played paths we choose
07:57:23 <Avatar> really quite underwhelming for what it was supposed to be
07:57:36 <Avatar> felt a bit first steps-like
07:59:59 <Mekkis> Did you see the recent blog post?
08:03:48 <Avatar> we were all talking about it this morning when you weren't here
08:04:17 <Mekkis> Ah
08:04:45 <Mekkis> Seems dumb. Really dumb.
08:05:28 <Avatar> I don't see the appeal of it
08:05:42 <Avatar> will be an interesting experiment I guess
08:05:53 <Mekkis> I'm actually worried about what it will do to the community here.
08:06:00 <Avatar> what do you predict
08:06:40 <Mekkis> The VC/VL will be running heaps of early stuff core-only in order to get their characters up to 12.
08:06:54 <Mekkis> Probably dividing the player base yet again
08:08:23 <Mekkis> As I see it, it's just another token measure Paizo is doing in lieu of doing what they should do: release more scenarios.
08:14:52 <Avatar> that's funny, because stephen's asked the GMs to do exactly the opposite of that
08:27:51 <Mekkis> what do you mean?
11:30:59 <steven> hi
12:30:39 <s_gmusic> http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2015-01-25.jpg
13:50:00 <steven> sup
13:51:38 <s_gmusic> yo
13:54:07 <steven> whats crackin homie.
13:54:32 <s_gmusic> nothin' much, thinking about the Core PFS thing and working on a warmachine model.
13:56:28 <s_gmusic> So, about that Fantastic Four trailer...
13:58:06 <steven> if i watch it i'll be suitably impressed
13:58:31 <steven> or dissapointed depending on what you think.
13:58:35 <s_gmusic> heh
13:58:48 <steven> just so long as i no longer have to interact with the subject.
14:00:07 <s_gmusic> I don't know what to think about it. Sure, the XMen:DoFP guys did it, so there's a chance to be great (the visuals are nice in the trailer), but unsold on the whole "interdimensional travel" thing.
14:02:11 <steven> Yeah...
14:03:17 <s_gmusic> fuck... just drilled the wrong hole. =_=
14:03:51 <steven> I usually get hit after doing that...
14:04:00 <s_gmusic> lol
14:09:50 <steven> Well my character for Emerald spire is done.
14:10:04 <s_gmusic> oh?
14:10:24 <steven> yeah, Spiritualist(psychic not investigator)
14:10:42 <steven> I am a paladin!
14:10:55 <steven> I can even lay on hands!
14:12:04 <s_gmusic> so is this a Core run of Spire or homegame?
14:14:16 <steven> its off the books.
14:14:25 <steven> we are doing it for the lulz.
14:14:36 <steven> we were playing through as an evil campaign.
14:15:23 <s_gmusic> heh. so instead of killing the baddies to destory the Spire, you're killing baddies to usurp their power. nice
14:15:40 <steven> and we were mighty fuckin evil, but then we ran into a combat that was a cr7 caster, cr5 minotaur, cr4 creature and two traps.
14:17:49 <s_gmusic> got rekt?
14:17:51 <steven> the traps were cr1, but it was basically hey you're not allowed to step in these 18 squares or you take damage... meanwhile im throwing out fireball, lightning bolt and then an icestorm for the sole purpose of killing 3/5 of your currently unconcious party
14:18:54 <steven> and the guy had stoneskin... was frankly just a dick of a fight.
14:19:22 <steven> but so in true AP/Homebrew fashion you come back in with a group that kills the encounter that killed you.
14:19:32 <steven> so now we have Team Paladin.
14:19:54 <steven> 4 paladins and my character who acts like a paladin.
14:20:44 <s_gmusic> lol
14:21:09 <steven> Two handed weapon paladin, natural weapon paladin, ranged paladin, and a Sacred Shield(tank paladin)
14:21:30 <s_gmusic> I want to see a static Core PFS group do that.
14:22:29 <steven> and then my character is a Spiritualist that im flavoring the spirit that cohabitates my mind is actually a paladin that was murdered by some cultists.
14:23:07 <steven> and he is super angry about dying to fuel a demonic ritual so he came back to help me kick some ass.
14:23:51 <steven> I took Believers Boon and Believers Hands which allows me to use lay on hands 1/day.
14:23:52 <s_gmusic> makes sense
14:24:13 <steven> because hey... if a paladin is all up in your mind you should totes be able to tap that power.
14:24:43 <steven> so yeah, i can use lay on hands 1/day for 1d6(we only 5th level)
14:25:22 <steven> gonna take extra lay on hands get it so i can rock 3/day.
14:28:59 <steven> It should be a lot of fun.
14:29:11 <steven> they all have smite evil
14:29:23 <steven> so... oh its evil... its dead.
14:30:05 <steven> no party squables about should we steal such and such item.... nope no stealing, give it back.
14:31:33 <s_gmusic> isn't that boring, though?
14:35:03 <steven> no because we are going to argue about what we think ours gods would have us do.
14:35:39 <steven> like we take a prisoner, the sarenrae paladin is all like we should give them a chance to redeam themselves.
14:36:08 <steven> the toragian is like, no they raised their hands against us. eliminate the threat to goodness.
14:36:43 <steven> the Shelynite is like no we cant kill them we would deprive the world of their contributions.
14:36:51 <steven> so on so forth.
14:39:20 <s_gmusic> fair enough.
14:39:39 <steven> but the nice thing is we dont have to deal with selfish character concepts.
14:39:52 <steven> hey you guys find a belt of con +4
14:40:30 <steven> the rogue puts it on without consulting group. "Nope i found it on the corpse... its mine."
14:46:58 <s_gmusic> "Thank you for flying Rogue Express, where what's mine is mine and yours is mine."
15:08:06 <s_gmusic> Well this could get interesting..
15:08:08 <s_gmusic> http://paizo.com/paizo/news/v5748eaic9sv6?New-Core-Campaign-Announced-forPathfinder
15:10:09 <Yiroep> Mmhmm.
15:10:15 <Yiroep> Excited for it.
15:10:21 <Yiroep> Although scheduling will be tougher..
15:14:02 <s_gmusic> I think the biggest thing is that it allows you to reply a scenario for credit, followed by the option to expand from a Core character to standard.
15:14:28 <s_gmusic> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lh0h?Introducing-the-Core-Campaign#discuss
15:15:09 <s_gmusic> "Race boons found on Chronicle sheets may not be used in the Core Campaign." makes sense
15:16:33 <s_gmusic> no mixed groups.
15:22:40 <s_gmusic> I don't see a comment about it, but perhaps I'm misreading it: Would a GM get credit for running a scenario both ways?
15:27:17 <s_gmusic> and someone just asked, from Brock "You receive a Core Chrinicle if you GM a core game. You receive an existing mode chronicle if you GM an existing mode game. If you place an existing GM credit chronicle on a core character, it then defaults to existing mode character and is no longer a core character. "
15:31:59 <steven> I need a name for my paladin.
15:32:11 <steven> sorry my Phantom.
15:32:41 <steven> Sir Tevalyn?
15:41:26 <Yiroep> Hrm.
15:41:31 <Yiroep> Not sure how I feel about that.
15:42:01 <Yiroep> I like GM rewards being completely separate from what is run, like it is right now with subtiers.
15:53:24 <s_gmusic> it should still be, Yiroep. that just says you get a GM cert for GM'ing both versions of PFS (so you can GM the same thing twice for credit). the restriction is if you put a regular GM cert on a Core character, that character is no longer "Core"
16:29:33 <Avatar> I don't understand how it is any different to what we have now
16:29:42 <Avatar> what's stopping you just making a character with core options as it is
16:41:49 <steven> oh thank god they finally unveiled it.
16:48:34 <steven> So I have my core only character built. Anybody up for a game?
16:48:45 <steven> lol
16:55:41 <Avatar> why couldn't you do this before
16:56:00 <Avatar> is replay the only advantage of playing it
16:59:56 <steven> i guess it could be seen that way.
17:00:45 <steven> The reason i didnt want to make a core only character was then I basically have a Core Campaign character that is not allowed to play Core Campaign because i've played non-core campaign games.
17:10:46 <Avatar> what other way can it be seen, I don't understand?
17:11:26 <Avatar> for people who don't want to see an oracle or summoner or bloodrager at tables?
17:12:35 <steven> the other advantage is sitting down to play with your friend you just got into the game.
17:13:28 <steven> so like me if i wanted to play a game with my brother mike, It would be shitty because i'd have to hand him a level 7 pregen.
17:13:59 <steven> Playing a level 7 pregen sucks if it is your first game.
17:14:51 <steven> It just makes it easier to play for people like me who have played a ton of stuff.
17:15:16 <steven> while also letting newer players not be overwhelmed by the choices available
17:15:26 <Avatar> that is the same advantage
17:16:45 <steven> and newer GMs should have an easier time GMing because they dont have to know Core, UC, UM, APG and whatever else some crazy guy brings to the table.
17:19:03 <Avatar> some crazy guy being you
17:19:35 <Avatar> I am rethinking making an investigator, I just can't see how they are ever useful in combat where every character really needs some special trick up their sleeve
17:21:17 <steven> yeah, investigator is more of a homebrew thing in my opinion.
17:23:31 <Avatar> shame
17:23:53 * steven shrugs
17:24:06 <steven> not every class is a winner.
17:24:17 <Avatar> the potential, though
17:41:47 <steven> I feel ya man. I had a build that given 10 minutes of looking at somebody i could do a shit ton of damage. It just doesn't fit exceptionally well in PFS
18:12:15 <Avatar> I feel like any future characters I create should be some sort of arcane spellcaster with full spell progression
18:12:30 <Avatar> I am really a bit over playing all my martial characters
18:13:04 <Avatar> the only good ranged builds I know are gunslinger, fighter/archer and zen archer, only one of which I like
18:13:31 <Avatar> if I went another gunslinger, it'd want to be something very different to what I did the first time around
19:28:20 <Avatar> Brunius: you've finished school haven't you?
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20:38:02 <Darkkapow> :P
20:38:06 <Darkkapow> been awhile huh
20:57:29 <steven> so bored.
20:57:54 <steven> wish there was a core game going on.
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21:33:02 <Brunius> ja
21:34:06 <Darkkapow> I'll run a dark heresy game if people are interested XP
21:34:27 <Darkkapow> not today but in the upcoming future
21:37:50 <Brunius> enrolled for uni, starting in a month
21:40:18 <Avatar> mate if you run a pathfinder society game I will be interested
21:40:33 <Avatar> you can't run among the trilogy anymore because you took 3 years to get here
21:43:57 <Darkkapow> it's okay avatar i've already run it 3 times
21:44:25 <Darkkapow> plus people who ask like that get nothing
21:48:14 <Avatar> what?
21:58:28 <Avatar> what's the term where you transcribe a spell into a spellbook
22:19:45 <Mekkis> Dark Heresy?
22:19:51 <Mekkis> The 40k thing?
22:34:01 <s_gmusic> "copy"
22:34:05 <s_gmusic> ;)
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