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04:32 <s_gmusic> how so?
46:26 <Steven> well that was a huge shit show.
46:31 <Steven> playing kingmaker
46:33 <Steven> mass combat...
46:57 <Steven> GM rolls 19 19 20 18 19 17 10 18
47:05 <Steven> ALL of our armies died.
55:07 <Mekkis> it happens
55:15 <Mekkis> Mass combat rules ARE a joke, though
07:54 <Steven> im not a fan of them.
08:42 <Mekkis> it's basically a shitty wargame
08:59 <Mekkis> What's your opinion of Ring of Natural Attunement, Kami?
09:06 <Mekkis> !item Ring of Natural Attunement, Kami
09:10 <diebot> Mekkis, RING OF CULTUREMELD [moderate enchantment] CL:7 ring 7800gp, 0lb
09:10 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/items/ring_of_culturemeld.html
09:14 <Steven> seriously though, it was like a cr 9 army, 2 cr 6 armies vs our cr 7 army cr 5 army, cr 4 army
09:26 <Steven> so it wasnt like it was really a fair fight to start with.
11:19 <Steven> aparantly when i was sick the gm made up some rule about how our 500 member army which got beaten up consolidated down to an army of 100 troops which were 1 level higher. losing 12hp but gaining 1 dv... and everyone was like yeah that is totally a fair trade.
11:34 * Steven facepalm
14:33 <Steven> that ring seems pretty horrible
15:28 <Steven> the additions are pretty much shit till you get to the 7th level version
17:23 <Steven> and the 7th level version is only good because it can breath of life at 110ft
17:27 <Mekkis> but the seventh level version is awesome
18:20 <Steven> well i guess at any bow range
18:36 <Steven> so 1100ft with a +0 to hit vs touch attack.
18:58 <Mekkis> kodama has a gaze attack
19:08 <Steven> but really there are better uses for a SM7
19:30 <Mekkis> like? Elder elemental?
20:02 <Steven> like 1d3+1 celestial anks
20:10 <Mekkis> SNA7
20:13 <Mekkis> not SM7
20:35 <Steven> whatevers.
21:09 <Steven> oh and it would be 1d4+1 celestial ankys... much better then the zuishin
21:19 <Mekkis> SNA7 for three breath of lifes, plus a HEAL, plus the holy longbow isn't a bad thing either
22:56 <Steven> or 2-5 creatures that can smite evil and daze lock someone if you roll well enough
23:19 <Mekkis> you can't get celestial anks with SNA
23:43 <Mekkis> also, you've got space restrictions
26:15 <Steven> okay so no celestial... ankys would still be a better choice.
27:30 <Steven> and if size is an issue, you get cyclops and just have them nat 20 grapple/sunder/whatever
30:34 <Steven> the ring feels like a waste of resources.
33:50 <Steven> 7800g takes up a ring slot for a return at 13th level of a decent creature.  for how infrequent play at that level is you'd be better off bartering for its service with planar ally/binding.
34:00 <Mekkis> fair enough
35:44 <Steven> the angel summoning one is pretty awesome if i remember correctly.
36:25 <Steven> the 7th and 8th level lists gets deva's added to them.
36:32 <Steven> and they are pretty freakin OP
03:50 <Mekkis> hmn. I suppose my power level I'm aiming for is pretty low.
05:46 <Mekkis> comparitively
18:29 <Brunius> Mekkis: ACG, Investigator
18:37 <Brunius> What do you think of it?
30:59 <Mekkis> Brunius, same as what I think about most ACG classes. Unnecessary
31:29 <Mekkis> I managed to banish a planetar today!
31:49 <Mekkis> Well, to be correct, I managed to convince a planetar to banish itself!
34:55 <Brunius> what about mechanically
35:00 <Brunius> I've got a player wanting to play one
35:09 <Mekkis> what are you running?
35:21 <Brunius> probably a one off, mainly new players
35:33 <Brunius> I just don't want one guy having the spotlight
35:36 <Mekkis> I'd push for core only classes
35:39 <Brunius> I've had that happen before and it's been a pain
35:57 <Mekkis> or core/apg classes
00:23 <s_gmusic> I may have... underestimated how solid JB weld gets. having difficulty filing it down with a coarse file. :/
05:45 <Avatar> turns out I was supposed to be level 10 when I played heresy 3
15:35 <Avatar> should I assume my last 7-11 was played as a 10-11 instead of an out of tier?
32:34 <Mekkis> Avatar, ummm... ask your VC
32:50 <Mekkis> because strictly speaking, you shouldn't have played Heresy 3
43:18 <Avatar> maybe I should retire the character now
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33:08 <Mekkis> !spell spell resistance
33:13 <diebot> Mekkis, SPELL RESISTANCE abjuration ([]) cleric/oracle 5, alchemist 5, inquisitor 5 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 min./level Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
33:13 <diebot> The target gains spell resistance equal to 12 + your caster level.
46:03 <diebot> Mekkis, FORESIGHT divination ([]) druid 9, sorcerer/wizard 9, witch 9, shaman 9 1 standard action Range: personal or touch see text Comp: V, S, M/DF (a hummingbird's feather) Duration: 10 min./level Save: none or Will negates (harmless) SR:no or yes (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
46:03 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/foresight.html
19:21 <Dirty> oooh
19:27 <Dirty> That is shiny
34:53 <Avatar> that does seem good
35:01 <Avatar> but I remember spell resistance is usually not worth taking
35:13 <Avatar> isn't that a roughly 50% chance of spells failing
36:05 <Avatar> SR vs 1d20+CL isn't it
36:51 <Avatar> or is it 1d20+CL+spell level
54:39 <Dirty> !spell fireball
54:41 <diebot> Dirty, FIREBALL evocation ([fire]) sorcerer/wizard 3, magus 3, bloodrager 3 1 standard action Range: long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)  Comp: V, S, M (a ball of bat guano and sulfur) Duration: instantaneous Save: Reflex half SR:yesSource: PFRPG Core
54:42 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/fireball.html
09:01 <Mekkis> !spell giant form
09:02 <diebot> Mekkis, GIANT FORM I transmutation (polymorph[]) sorcerer/wizard 7, alchemist 6 1 standard action Range: personal you Comp: V, S, M (a piece of the creature whose form you plan to assume) Duration: 1 min./level Save:  SR:Source: PFRPG Core
09:02 <diebot> When you cast this spell you can assume the form of any Large humanoid creature of the giant subtype (see the Pathfinder RPG Bestiary). Once you assume your new form, you gain the following abilities: a +6 size bonus to Strength, a -2 penalty to Dexterity, a +4 size bonus to Constitution, a +4 natural armor bonus, and low-light vision. If the form
09:02 <diebot> you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, rend (2d6 damage), regeneration 5, rock catching, and rock throwing (range 60 feet, 2d6 damage). If the creature has immunity or resistance to any elements, you gain resistance 20 to those elements. If the creature has vulnerability to an element, you
09:02 <diebot> gain that vulnerability.
11:04 <Dirty> How is everyone today?
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17:04 <Dirty> Hiya
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36:45 <Mekkis> !feat  Amateur	 Gunslinger	
36:47 <diebot> Mekkis, AMATEUR GUNSLINGER [Combat] Although you are not a gunslinger, you have and can use grit. Prerequisite: You have no levels in a class that has the grit class feature. Benefit: You gain a small amount of grit and the ability to perform a single 1st-level deed from the gunslinger deed class feature. At the start of the day, you gain 1 grit
36:47 <diebot> point, though throughout the day you can gain grit points up to a maximum of your Wisdom modifier (minimum 1). You can regain grit using the rules for the gunslinger's grit class feature (see page 9). You can spend this grit to perform the 1st-level deed you chose upon taking this feat, and any other deed you have gained through feats or magic
36:47 <diebot> items. Special: If you gain levels in a class that grants the grit class feature, you can immediately trade this feat for the Extra Grit feat.
36:47 <diebot> Benefit:  Source: UC
03:22 <Mekkis> !spell life bubble
03:23 <diebot> Mekkis, LIFE BUBBLE abjuration ([]) cleric/oracle 5, druid 4, ranger 3, sorcerer/wizard 5 1 standard action Range: touch creatures touched, up to one/level Comp: V, S, M/DF (a bit of eggshell) Duration: 2 hours/level; see text Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: APG
03:23 <diebot> You surround the touched creatures with a constant and moveable 1-inch shell of tolerable living conditions. This shell enables the subjects to breathe freely, even underwater or in a vacuum, as well as making them immune to harmful gases and vapors, including inhaled diseases and poisons and spells like cloudkill and stinking cloud. In addition,
03:23 <diebot> the shell protects subjects from extremes of temperature (per endure elements) as well as extremes of pressure. Life bubble does not provide protection from negative or positive energy (such as found on the Negative and Positive Energy planes), the ability to see in conditions of poor visibility (such as in smoke or fog), nor the ability to move or
03:23 <diebot> act normally in conditions that impede movement (such as underwater). When you cast this spell it has a total duration of 2 hours per caster level. You can divide this duration up in any manner you wish, not necessarily equally, between up to 1 creature per caster level.
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20:24 <Steven> yo
23:47 <Dirty> Yo
23:57 <Dirty> I found out my budget was hlaf gold :(
24:10 <Steven> ouch.
24:17 <Dirty> So I'm going to watch the princess bride and cry
24:31 <Steven> okay...
26:27 <Steven> im creating something... odd
54:31 <Steven> there we go... it would get a laugh at a table im sure.
54:43 <Steven> Gnome Paladin/sorc/Dragon Disciple
30:36 <Dirty> Hrm
30:38 <Dirty> PF?
45:40 <Steve> hate it when that happens.
15:16 <Dirty> Hi all
18:04 <Dirty> Is there anybody out there? .... out there............out there.......... out there
27:56 <Dirty> Hello!
28:06 <Steven> hey
28:14 <Dirty> How is everyone?
30:18 <Steven> sick... pulled muscle in forearm and shoulder
30:43 <Dirty> Ugh
30:45 <Steven> im on pain meds so i dont feel it
30:45 <Dirty> Hate that
30:51 <Steven> so really... pretty fuckin awesome.
31:12 <Dirty> I'm looking for second opinions on a char sheet I jsut finished up
31:21 <Dirty> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Vf15OYn1xxVpr2JUh_Xs4lZUeCq5ekIvTz338WGpTE/edit#gid=1867984558
31:35 <Steven> its trash delete it and try again.
31:41 <Dirty> :(
31:54 <Steven> alright fine ill go look at it.
32:02 <Dirty> :)
34:19 <Steven> so.... you're a cat wearing catskin leather.
34:51 <Dirty> It's not actually made with catskin if you read the flavour
35:58 <Dirty> Hover over things to get the full text
36:17 <Steven> oh yeah that stuff...
36:22 <Steven> um you might want a different armor.
37:10 <Dirty> HAs to be light armour for a swashbuckler
37:31 <Dirty> And that gives me bonuses to acrobactis and such
38:02 <Steven> 19k for an armor that destroys itself when you get dropped is pretty horrible.  @10th level death is a statis condition
38:06 <Dirty> What should I get instead that fits in budget?
38:13 <Steven> status... yeah status
39:20 <Steven> toss in 3k get celestial armor wouldnt be bad...
39:48 <Dirty> Can't afford it really. Guess I could ditch the mummers ruff though
40:11 <Steven> then theres always the road of just getting a +1 shadow chain mail shirt.
40:39 <Steven> or +1 shadow leather armor if you plan to go beyond 22dex
40:54 <Steven> and save up to get determination on the armor.
40:56 <Dirty> Stealth isn't realyl my bag
41:09 <Dirty> Might go with the Celestial Armour
41:27 <Dirty> Combined with the boots of the cat I can just drop without landing
41:31 <Steven> okay, i thought it was since catskin is +1 shadow leather armor essentially
45:27 <Dirty> That look right to you?
45:31 <Steven> did you roll the stats?
45:34 <Dirty> Nyet
45:37 <Dirty> 20point buy
45:44 <Steven> thats 19 points.
46:08 <Steven> and you dont have your 4th or 8th level ability bump
46:25 <Dirty> pathfinder 20 point buy
46:36 <Dirty> And I do on INT
47:40 <Steven> 10 points on dex, 2 on con 2 on int 5 on cha= 19 points
48:24 <Dirty> oh
50:54 <Dirty> How's that?
52:01 <Steven> im talking to you on the chat.
52:14 <Steven> in google documents
52:15 <Dirty> oh
52:21 <Steven> easier so i dont have to keep tabbing over.
52:52 <Dirty> Says no-one else is sgned in on chat.
52:58 <Dirty> Wierd
53:43 <Steven> weird indeed
53:49 <Steven> well alright back to tabbing over i guess
54:00 <Dirty> Hi Proquar
54:07 <Steven> so you dont need so much cha because you regain panache by critting and killing things
54:32 <Dirty> True
54:35 <Steven> and you have imp crit as a swashbuckler
55:02 <Steven> so you should be regaining panache at a fairly steady rate.
55:05 <Dirty> Move the 4th and 8th into dex to bump it to 20? keep ch @ 16?
55:15 <Dirty> and have int start @ 12?
55:29 <Steven> you should probably invest in some con score as a frontline character you will be targeted by attacks
55:53 <Steven> and you can only parry so much.
56:15 <Steven> w/ 79hp a crit could kill you.
56:48 <Dirty> kk
57:21 <Dirty> 28 Ac should be okay but not great.
57:36 <Steven> there is also the position that you get 4 skill points+1 favored if you so choose that you arent really NEEDing int.  so you could dump that down to 10 and w/ the 1 point left over from your point buy bump con to 13.
58:19 <Steven> and end up with a 14 con
58:33 <Steven> so your stats would be 10/18/14/10/8/16
58:43 <Steven> before your 4&8 ability bump
00:00 <Steven> and dex is going to be your friend. so you probably wanna put the ability score increases there because its basically +1 AC +1 to hit and +1 damage
00:07 <Dirty> Yeah
00:12 <Steven> and +1 reflex save
00:25 <Dirty> So final is 10/18+1+1/14/10/8/16
00:37 <Steven> yeah
01:08 <Steven> should end up with a 29ac which is very respectible for a dex based class
01:42 <Proquar> hi dirty
03:27 <Dirty> Steven and I are going over this sheet of mine
03:28 <Dirty> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Vf15OYn1xxVpr2JUh_Xs4lZUeCq5ekIvTz338WGpTE/edit#gid=1867984558
03:40 <Steven> if you're looking to do more damage you could look towards getting piranha strike
03:47 <Steven> its basically power attack for dex
04:08 <Dirty> How much feat tax?
04:41 <Steven> weapon finesse
05:11 <Steven> also your rapier should be a 15-20 crit range
07:32 <Dirty> From Imp Crit?
07:47 <Dirty> Already have wep finesse from class
07:48 <Steven> yeah
08:30 <Steven> i have to go run some errands now, have a good one!
08:34 <Dirty> You too man!
08:40 <Dirty> Feel better
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13:33 <Dirty> Any thought Proquar?
17:11 <Proquar> you totally have to find an awesomely powerful magic feather
18:12 <Dirty> Yeah
18:18 <Dirty> I talk to the DM about it.
18:41 <Dirty> Might Reflavour the Ioun Torch to be a feather that emits light
19:05 <Dirty> Maybe just have it be a Feather Token Tree stuck in my hat.
26:40 <Proquar> the torch would be cool
52:49 <Steve> yo
11:55 <Avatar> sup
12:22 <Steve> played my -4 tonight
12:29 <Steve> he survived despite my best efforts
19:40 <Avatar> what is your -4
19:47 <Avatar> don't you have like 100 characters
19:55 <Avatar> is this an old character 
20:11 <Steve> my -4 is a gnome barbarian
20:36 <Steve> 14/16/18/7/8/9 stats
20:51 <Steve> i roleplay him as crazy.
28:22 <Avatar> he is a gnome
28:26 <Avatar> he is crazy regardless of his stats
28:30 <Steve> yeah.
28:35 <Steve> well his brother isnt crazy
28:44 <Avatar> yes he is crazy
28:48 <Avatar> wait, is his brother a gnome?
28:53 <Steve> his brother is my -1
29:02 <Avatar> is he a gnome
29:07 <Steve> yes he is a gnome
29:09 <Steve> not crazy
29:10 <Avatar> then he is also crazy
29:13 <Avatar> yes
29:15 <Steve> no
29:21 <Avatar> yes he is a gnome and therefore crazy
29:27 <Avatar> regardless of stats
29:29 <Steve> he is very grounded
29:36 <Avatar> then he is not a gnome
29:42 <Avatar> maybe a gnome pretending to be another race
29:46 <Avatar> high cha?
30:14 <Steve> decent cha
30:17 <Steve> high wisdom
30:22 <Avatar> maybe he can bluff
30:35 <Avatar> he can pretend he is not a gnome
31:06 <Avatar> someone on facebook posted a photo of this funky peanut butter, maple syrup flavoured
31:07 <Steve> nah, he was sequestered in a monestary for like 100 years.
31:12 <Avatar> with no description
31:19 <Avatar> so I thought they were recommending it and went out and bought some
31:32 <Avatar> turns out they got a different flavour
31:40 <Avatar> the stuff I bought tastes like vegemite
32:29 <Avatar> well not quite that bad, but you get the idea
33:16 <Steve> i like natural peanut butter
33:24 <Steve> no jiff/whatever
35:57 <Steve> i have some vegemite up in my cupboard.
36:07 <Steven> back
36:20 <Avatar> I also like natural peanut butter
36:33 <Avatar> but recently I tried some real deal peanut butter which is a different natural
36:37 <Avatar> and it was pretty goddamn good
36:46 <Avatar> so I thought maybe I should expand my horizons
36:58 <Avatar> and then someone posted a photo of this different peanut butter I had my eye on
37:01 <Avatar> this specific flavour
37:10 <Avatar> this specific flavour that apparently they don't even eat
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03:23 <quasidog> yu p
03:58 <Brunius> what up in da hoooood
03:59 <Brunius> `op
04:00 ChanOP gives channel operator status to Brunius
04:18 <Steve> yo
10:07 <quasidog> um
10:16 <quasidog> hoodlumming
10:56 <quasidog> I just purchased 5th ed :)
11:05 <quasidog> I feel dirty .. but happy 
11:44 <quasidog> 180 buck investment for coffee table books .. but rad books 
11:52 <Steve> dont.  I own 5th ed.
12:18 <quasidog> tis pretty nice
12:33 <quasidog> Got that 1st ed feel 
12:59 <Steve> i got it at a pretty good discount, which is why i bought it.
13:02 <quasidog> artwork is a bit shite but in PHB 
13:45 <quasidog> I just bought it becasue I was feeling nostalgic
14:38 <quasidog> Love the MM though .. art is good
17:43 <Avatar> pathfinder > 5th ed
18:20 <quasidog> of course it is 
18:29 <quasidog>  its teh one you play right ?
19:07 <quasidog> I read the PF rules once 
19:17 <quasidog> basically hc DnD
19:25 <quasidog> for HC players 
19:39 <Brunius> hardcore?
19:49 <Steve> Hella Cool
19:55 <quasidog> Hip Cat
20:51 <quasidog> I used to DM 1st - 2ND ed 
21:02 <quasidog> PF looked like that jacked up
22:24 <Avatar> I don't think PF looks like 1st/2nd ed
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22:35 <Avatar> are you sure you read pathfinder
22:41 <quasidog> to me it looks like it with more
22:48 <Avatar> did you read 3rd ed
22:49 <quasidog> options
22:52 <Avatar> because then you would be getting warmer
23:11 <quasidog> its all RPG :}
23:17 <quasidog> tis all teh same really 
23:33 <Brunius> something something THAC0
23:58 <quasidog> something some take larger than man size damage
24:34 * quasidog throws spell components at Brunius
26:27 <Brunius> :(
26:41 <Steven> hmmmm
26:55 <Steven> i think i just found a thing that lets you stay in elemental body all day.
27:44 * quasidog sends a Half-Orc Assasin with +5 Vampiric dagger at 'save at -5' or die with contact poison
29:00 * quasidog rolls a 6 :{
30:24 <quasidog>   sigh disk 3
30:50 * quasidog is installing Dragon Age:Inqu
32:07 <quasidog> 25 gig install or some shite
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14:14 <Avatar> that's a filthy lie
21:34 <Steven> alrighty
22:52 <Steven> time to build this character in earnest
23:29 <Steven> paladin dragon disciple.
25:13 <Steven> the big decision is whether i want to go bard, skald, or sorc
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15:45 <Avatar> skald
33:18 <Mekkis> bard
45:58 <Brunius> sorc
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13:51 <Mekkis> !spell endure elements
13:53 <diebot> Mekkis, ENDURE ELEMENTS abjuration ([]) cleric/oracle 1, druid 1, paladin 1, ranger 1, sorcerer/wizard 1, alchemist 1, summoner 1, bloodrager 1, shaman 1 1 standard action Range: touch creature touched Comp: V, S Duration: 24 hours Save: Will negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
13:53 <diebot> A creature protected by endure elements suffers no harm from being in a hot or cold environment. It can exist comfortably in conditions between -50 and 140 degrees Fahrenheit without having to make Fortitude saves. The creature's equipment is likewise protected. Endure elements doesn't provide any protection from fire or cold damage, nor does it
13:53 <diebot> protect against other environmental hazards such as smoke, lack of air, and so forth.
40:18 <Mekkis> !feat extra revelation
40:21 <diebot> Mekkis, EXTRA REVELATION []Prereq:  Revelation class feature.  You have discovered a new aspect of your mystery.
40:21 <diebot> Benefit:  You gain one additional revelation. You must meet all of the prerequisites for this revelation.
40:21 <diebot> Special:  You can gain Extra Revelation multiple times.  Source: APG
41:56 <Steven> nope totes legal avatar... just cheesy as fuck.
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