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50:03 <Steven> so annoying when people sign in with my name.
50:40 <Steven> Also... i love it when people try to tell me, incorrectly i might add, how bane works.
50:49 <Steven> I correct them, and they try to argue.
52:39 <Steven> "I can bane vs a target without knowing what type of creature it is!"
55:04 <Steven> 23 levels of Inquisitors under my belt on PFS Characters.
27:48 <Mekkis> What about a VC insisting that Haste gives +1 to all saves?
29:28 <s_gmusic> wut.
29:35 <s_gmusic> why/how would it do that?
30:03 <s_gmusic> your metabolism increases boosting your fort saves and you think faster increasing your will saves?
30:29 <Mekkis> my VC did insist on it.
32:03 <s_gmusic> !spell haste
32:08 <diebot> s_gmusic, HASTE transmutation ([]) alchemist 3, bard 3, magus 3, sorcerer/wizard 3, summoner 2, bloodrager 3 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, M (a shaving of licorice root) Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes
32:08 <diebot> (harmless)Source: PFRPG Core
32:08 <diebot> The description is too long to send over IRC. View http://nl.ti4200.info/vpsirc/spells/haste.html
32:41 <s_gmusic> :\
34:13 <s_gmusic> okay, well there goes the "it could be the mythic version" idea.
47:18 <Brunius> !spell blessing of haste
47:20 <diebot> Brunius, BLESSING OF FERVOR transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 4 1 standard action Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one creature/level, no two of which can be more than 30 ft. apart Comp: V, S, DF Duration: 1 round/level Save: Fortitude negates (harmless) SR:yes (harmless)Source: APG
47:20 <diebot> With this blessing, you call your allies to move forth and empower them to conquer and become victorious. Each round for the duration of this spell, each of your allies can choose one of the following bonuses for that round at the beginning of its turn (their choice). • Increase its speed by 30 feet. • Stand up as a swift action without
47:20 <diebot> provoking an attack of opportunity. • Make one extra attack as part of a full attack action, using its highest base attack bonus. • Gain a +2 bonus on attack rolls and a +2 dodge bonus to AC and Reflex saves. •Cast a single spell of 2nd level or lower as if it were an enlarged, extended, silent, or still spell. These effects are not
47:20 <diebot> cumulative with similar effects, such as those provided by haste or a speed weapon, nor do they actually grant an extra action, so you can't use it to cast a second spell or otherwise take an extra action in the round. Blessing of fervor does not stack with haste.
12:50 <Steven> suuuuuuuuup
12:56 <Steven> im back.  had to run over to my dads house
15:15 <Steven> so hows it goin guys/girls
53:08 <Mekkis> alright. Coming up with some character backgrounds
54:27 <Steven> i've really enjoyed the Character creation thing in Ultimate Campaign.
55:24 <Mekkis> So I'm looking at an ex-lion blade who was 'burned' by machenations involving a chelish diabolist, who is then blackmailing him into working for the Pathfinder Society
55:45 <Mekkis> What would a reasonable class be?
57:48 <Mekkis> Thinking... ranger, swashbuckler, paladin, maybe rogue?
57:55 <Mekkis> gunslinger even?
04:44 <Steven> infiltrator inquisitor?
07:10 <Mekkis> possibly
07:37 <Mekkis> Is it possible to get access to explosives in PFS without being a gunslinger?
10:44 <Steven> iunno
10:55 <Steven> i think its just an alchemical item
14:18 <Mekkis> it is?
14:21 <Mekkis> what source?
32:00 <Avatar> yeah I need inns
32:03 <Avatar> all the ones I listed
34:32 <Mekkis> Even the flipmats?
37:44 <Steven> iunno
37:59 <Steven> i think it came out in ultimate combat
41:33 <Mekkis> Seems like black powder's the only explosive in pathfinder
44:16 <Steven> why do you need explosives when you have people who can cast fireballs?
44:45 <Mekkis> to achieve what fireballs aren't very good at achieving
45:39 <Steven> my point is that magic replaces technology on golarion.
48:07 <Mekkis> Numeria.
48:58 <Mekkis> But really, my point is that magic is actually really bad at doing one thing that explosives are really good at doing: Converting a large amount of ore-bearing rock into a similar amount of ore-bearing rubble.
49:53 <Steven> except there are spells that can do that... sure fireballs arent great at it.
50:07 <Mekkis> pray tell which spells
51:19 <Steven> im not going to go search through all the spells in pfs to find you examples.
51:53 <Mekkis> I've looked and I honestly can't find anything below sixth level
52:00 <Steven> the notible exceptions to the rule that magic replaces technology on golarion are numeria which had that forced upon them and alkenstar.
54:56 <Steven> i imagine stone shape would be effective, thats what 3rd cleric/druid 4th wizard?
55:24 <Mekkis> not really. It doesn't affect much area at all.
55:59 <Mekkis> much volume at all...
57:48 <Steven> it doesnt have to. you stone shape lines of stone seperating pieces of stone from each other 15 cubic(lowest level) feet of stone is quite a bit of stone really.
59:54 <Mekkis> What about using Lightning Bolt to start the Birkeland–Eyde process, to make ammonium nitrate. To make ANFO. 
00:21 <Steven> if your gm allows it
00:24 <Avatar> yeah
00:39 <Avatar> the idea is to use printouts instead of burning money on single use flipmats
00:47 <Mekkis> if your GM allows using stone shape to create a cheese-grater effect....
01:24 <Steven> I let players get away with a decent amount
01:33 <Mekkis> single-use flipmats?!
01:40 <Mekkis> as opposed to single-use printouts
01:41 <Avatar> ya
01:51 <Avatar> single use printouts are better than single use flipmats
01:51 <Steven> You know really i let players get away with whatever they want so long as they are nice about asking it.
02:10 <Mekkis> sure. And I'm contending the flipmats aren't single-use
02:20 <Mekkis> how important is the tunnel on page 38?
02:29 <Mekkis> I can fit it on A1 if I remove it.
03:13 <Mekkis> actually...
04:26 <Mekkis> the Birkeland–Eyde process produces nitric acid. This can be combined with sulphuric acid to produce C3H5N3O9
04:26 <Steven> I have my stricter days, but that how i try to run my table.
04:49 <Steven> thats probably going to go over the heads of most people mekkis.
05:25 <Mekkis> nitroglycerine
05:53 <Steven> i know what that is, im a geologist.
06:02 <Steven> im pretty good on checmicals
06:57 <Steven> im saying if you have to explain to people how the chemicals interact with each other you're probably going to get that dead stare and get told no
07:14 <Mekkis> fair enough
07:42 <Steven> one of the biggest complaints i've heard so far this season is the inclusion of technology in peoples fantasy
07:48 <Mekkis> Trying to work out ways to actually blast out a door - or a building.
09:28 <Steven> telekenesis? Earthquake? Investigator talent that lets you use kn engineering in place of a str check.
09:39 <Mekkis> oh?
09:46 <Steven> yeah.
09:51 <Mekkis> such a talent exists?!
09:55 <Steven> yup.
10:20 <Steven> i want to call it applied engineering.
10:40 <Mekkis> wow
10:46 <Mekkis> you're right
10:48 <Steven> yeah it is really cool
11:45 <Steven> I got a 48 on a kn engineering to break a stone wall on a castle in my buddies homebrew
11:55 <Steven> nat 20!
12:44 <Steven> it was fantastic 
13:09 <Steven> So i took a brick out of a wall and the whole thing collapsed
13:26 <Mekkis> well. Going to have to look at taking at least one level in Investigator
13:31 <Steven> and we didnt have to siege the fort, we moved right into the encounters.
13:55 <Steven> it requires 3 levels to get an investigator talent
14:30 <Mekkis> four levels then
14:31 <Avatar> the flipmats are almost always single use
15:54 <Mekkis> I would disagree. I used the City Streets map many many times
16:07 <Avatar> tunnel probably isn't important, that can be drawn
16:19 <Avatar> in which scenarios
16:44 <Mekkis> pretty much any scenario where people are in a city
16:48 <Steven> 2nd level extracts pretty good
16:49 <Mekkis> but to name scenarios:
17:31 <Steven> brb gotta take the dogs out
17:32 <Mekkis> First steps 1, before the dawn 1, shades of ice 1, shades of ice 2, shadow's last stand 2
17:38 <Mekkis> off the top of my head
18:14 <Avatar> awkward for first steps
18:19 <Mekkis> how so?
18:45 <Mekkis> the final fight?
18:56 <Avatar> the map is different
19:07 <Mekkis> Only slightly
19:20 <Mekkis> it's good enough
20:33 <Avatar> shades of ice 2 would be improvised
20:41 <Avatar> before the dawn 1 I'll likely never run
21:13 <Mekkis> Year of the Shadow Lodge
21:25 <Avatar> shades of ice 1 doesn't use it
21:30 <Avatar> forget specials
21:39 <Mekkis> Wrath of the Accursed
21:47 <Avatar> haven't played that
21:50 <Avatar> I am scared to play it
22:25 <Avatar> I dunno what to do about sunday evening arcanacon
22:32 <Avatar> I either play technic siege and risk death, or take the night off
22:42 <Mekkis> risk death
23:12 <Avatar> I don't like killer scenarios
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24:43 <Mekkis> bring a bard
24:48 <Mekkis> Psychic Searcher oracle with the Extra Investigator Talent feat
24:50 <Mekkis> and a lawyer
26:32 <Mekkis> (a rules lawyer)
27:55 <Avatar> I don't have a bard, I have an archaeologist
28:09 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/p38_trace.pdf It's correctly scaled, properly interpolated, and shows that I would never be a good Russian photographer.
28:10 <Avatar> and the jokers on warhorn aren't putting down their class/levels except for andrei
28:26 <Mekkis> oh, if Andrei's on the table, you should be fine.
28:34 <Avatar> he's bringing a level 6 oracle
28:51 <Mekkis> Is that the kind of thing you want?
29:08 <Avatar> I honestly have no idea until I see it on paper
29:17 <Avatar> it looks okay 
29:20 <Mekkis> or canvas?
29:29 <Avatar> I thoguht you were cutting out the tunnel
29:40 <Mekkis> you didn't get back to me fast enough
30:11 <Avatar> it's okay, I can cut it off later
30:21 <Avatar> what do you mean on canvas
30:35 <Mekkis> get someone to print it out on canvas
30:49 <Steven> sure
31:43 <Avatar> the idea is to keep this cheap but still looking good
31:54 <Mekkis> how cheap is cheap?
32:01 <Avatar> paper cheap
32:11 <Mekkis> what's that in $AU
32:22 <Avatar> I don't know, less than $10
32:41 <Avatar> how much is canvas
34:19 <Mekkis> Costs me $12 + postage per A0 print.
34:58 <Avatar> do you have a photo of one
35:00 <Mekkis> I would be able to fit all the maps (except for the flipmats) on one A0 sheet, and cut them up when the arrive
35:03 <Mekkis> sure
35:38 <Avatar> and where are you getting this done that it requires postage
37:08 <Mekkis> Melbourne
38:17 <Avatar> melbourne is a big place
39:03 <Mekkis> http://nl.ti4200.info/~mekkis/DSC_0608.JPG
39:18 <Mekkis> I know. And I don't know where in Melbourne they're doing it.
40:07 <Mekkis> That's Mantis' Prey on canvas - it's a few years old now.
44:21 <Avatar> do you have a zoomed out version of that
44:29 <Avatar> oh you've folded it over
44:52 <Mekkis> Zoomed out?
44:57 <Avatar> never mind
45:10 <Mekkis> That map's over a metre long, and 900mm wide
45:15 <Avatar> well it looks good but not very helpful if I don't know where I could get it done on canvas
45:47 <Mekkis> I don't know where it's done. I send the guy an email, transfer him money, and he mails it to me.
45:54 <Mekkis> Character concept that involves blasting out doors - and walls
46:23 <Avatar> SOUNDS SHIFTY
46:44 <Avatar> is this the same guy you were talking about the other day
46:50 <Mekkis> yeah
47:47 <Mekkis> how much does Officeworks charge (given that what I've seen them output, they're good at fucking up the scale...)
48:11 <Avatar> http://www.topsignage.com.au/
48:20 <Avatar> you can't knock down a wall with a strength check
48:21 <Avatar> can't remember
48:23 <Avatar> what is this wall made out of, paper
48:37 <Avatar> they fucked up the scale when I ran library of the lion, but it was clear they didn't know what they were doing
48:49 <Mekkis> It's not actually topsignage...
48:50 <Avatar> I didn't really know what I was doing either
49:12 <Avatar> topsignage is the website on that ebay page
50:04 <Mekkis> I've just forwarded you the email chain 
52:31 <Avatar> I haven't thought this through
52:36 <Avatar> your 4 maps cost $68
53:01 <Mekkis> actually $65
53:10 <Avatar> that is a lot for 4 maps
53:25 <Mekkis> $12 per A0 map
53:28 <Mekkis> plus postage
53:30 <Avatar> flip-mats seem to be better value than this
53:37 <Mekkis> I daresay postage over there would be cheaper.
53:52 <Mekkis> I never said they weren't
54:07 <Avatar> I like how he says "all inclusive no more to pay"
54:28 <Mekkis> I get the canvas prints for scenarios that I intend to run several times - or scenarios that are epic enough to justify it.
54:39 <Mekkis> like Mantis' Prey
54:47 <Avatar> yeah fair go
54:52 <Avatar> I'll check up on the prices for paper
57:45 <Mekkis> you can actually.
58:16 <Mekkis> Hewn stone (3 ft. thick) has a break DC of 50.
58:29 <Mekkis> with a 50 strength check, you CAN break down a wall
59:54 <Avatar> 50
59:59 <Mekkis> 50.
00:07 <Avatar> 1d20 + ? = 50
00:25 <Avatar> let's say I have a 22 str, that's a +6
00:38 <Avatar> so if I roll a nat 20, I will get about half of 50
00:51 <Avatar> that's assuming the wall is 3ft thick, which it never is
00:58 <Avatar> 3ft
01:11 <Mekkis> Investigator. Applied engineering. Lets you use Knowledge (engineering) instead of str
01:35 <Avatar> let's assume 20 ranks in kn. engineering
01:40 <Avatar> so that puts me up to about DC 40
01:47 <Avatar> 20 total, not 20 ranks
02:23 <Avatar> this is still assuming a 3ft wall that doesn't exist
06:18 <Mekkis> Ancestral Communion gives +6 insight bonus, Page-Bound Epiphany gives +10 circumstance bonus, Heightened Awareness gives +2 competence bonus, masterwork tool gives +2 circumstance bonus. We're at +20. 7 ranks, 20 int already has us at +32...
06:18 <Avatar> gotta run
06:30 <Mekkis> Lore master lets you take 20.
06:38 <Avatar> yeah ok get a 5ft wall's DC now
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37:45 <mib_3ywq7m> how to play game?
07:03 <Steven> sup im back.
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13:30 <Avatar> how to play, lol?
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16:34 <Avatar> why would you want to take a whole level in a class just to be able to blast out a door?
24:02 <ThrashingDragon> Hola
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50:54 <Avatar> hi anyone here
50:55 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> So far, the confirmation isn't going to be played, or it's going to be filled with Friday rockups
50:56 <Avatar> ok bye
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57:00 Steve is now known as steven
57:15 <steven> yo
59:40 <steven> hows it goin?
14:49 <Avatar> yo
19:44 <Avatar> http://paizo.com/paizo/blog/v5748dyo5lgyc?Writing-a-New-Entry-for-Factions
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37:25 <Mekkis> meh
37:44 <Avatar> I'm just the messenger
37:55 <Mekkis> I know
37:59 <Brunius> I seem to remember instructions to shoot the messenger
38:04 <Mekkis> still, meh
38:05 <Avatar> you just watch yourself
38:06 <Mekkis> oh yeah
39:31 <Mekkis>            To Xeron, loyal servant of his majesty Lucifer
39:31 <Mekkis>          Kreegan, killer of his king's enemies:
39:31 <Mekkis>        Upon receiving this letter, kill the messenger. No one is to
39:31 <Mekkis>      learn of its contents. Should its information fall into the hands
39:31 <Mekkis> of an enemy, our kingdom of Eeofol may find itself the victim of a
39:31 <Mekkis> greater nation's aggression.
41:38 <Avatar> what's that from
15:40 <steven> eeofol is might and magic.
16:08 <steven> im bored.
16:24 <steven> worse yet, im bored and dont have a headache
17:59 <steven> usually i have a headache so i dont wanna actually do anything at all
23:17 <steven> it may be time to go play civilization
23:30 <steven> and by may, i mean is.
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51:58 <steven> Its like the World Wars all over again.  I'm german and just destroying france.  England Russia and America are all about to declare war on me. lol
32:45 <steven> doop be bob
59:56 <Spaceshot_XperiaZ> How many classes on 1 character is too many?
42:57 <Mekkis> !spell Greater Make Whole
43:01 <Mekkis> 5
43:05 <diebot> Mekkis, MAKE WHOLE transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 2, sorcerer/wizard 2 10 minutes Range: close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) one object of up to 10 cu. ft./level or one construct creature of any size Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless, object)Source: PFRPG Core
43:05 <diebot> This spell functions as mending, except that it repairs 1d6 points of damage per level when cast on an object or construct creature (maximum 5d6). Make whole can fix destroyed magic items (at 0 hit points or less), and restores the magic properties of the item if your caster level is at least twice that of the item. Items with charges (such as
43:05 <diebot> wands) and single-use items (such as potions and scrolls) cannot be repaired in this way. When make whole is used on a construct creature, the spell bypasses any immunity to magic as if the spell did not allow spell resistance.
43:14 <Mekkis> !spell Make Whole, greater
43:15 <diebot> Mekkis, MAKE WHOLE, GREATER transmutation ([]) cleric/oracle 4, sorcerer/wizard 4 1 standard action Range: 10 ft. one object of up to 5 lb./level Comp: V, S Duration: instantaneous Save: Will negates (harmless, object) SR:yes (harmless, object)Source: Technology Guide
43:16 <diebot> This spell repairs 1d6 points of damage plus 1 point per level when cast on a construct creature (maximum 10d6+10). Greater make whole can fix destroyed magic items or technological items (items at 0 hit points or fewer), and restores the magic properties of the item if your caster level at least equal to that of the item. This spell otherwise
43:16 <diebot> functions as make whole.
55:44 <Mekkis> Good to know that Paizo are admitting that the faction changes in season 3, season 5 and season 6 have issues.
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